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Announcing Sugar Baby of the Year
  • Posted Sep 18, 2015

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The votes have been tallied, and Sugar Baby of the Year has been crowned!

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Congratulations to Cat from Bloomington, Indiana who snagged this year’s title and glory. From thousands of applicants, a dozen finalists were chosen to compete in the calendar contest. Following an eight week social media showdown for votes, this Thai princess is reigning supreme.

This midwest girl is getting her cosmetology license and has dreams of opening up her own hair extension boutique. In her spare time, Cat loves to paint and travel. Riding horses is also one of her hobbies, and she is a along with her love of diesel trucks.. In the future she wants to travel the world collecting and selling art, eventually taking over her father’s business.

Her future is bright, and she exemplifies a perfect Sugar Baby: ambitious, beautiful and of course, sweet!

Our runner-up is Jordan, who was neck-and-neck with Cat for votes down to the final hour. Miss May is a small town hottie, and a zoology student in Kalamazoo, Michigan. She is an animal activist and lover, who also operates and owns an online adult store.

Thanks to all the women who competed in the competition! To be considered for future opportunities and the next calendar, email your photos and a short bio to casting@seekingarrangement.com.

What would you ask the Sugar Baby of the Year?


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  3. Cheekydee says:

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  8. Riviera says:

    Do you ever think that there are fake profiles as with AM? Profiles seem to be written the same way, responses are written in a similar way. Also, I understand six degrees of separation but I sometimes see the many SA profile pics following just one person on IG.

  9. lisa says:

    my first time was so amazing

  10. flyR says:

    I think one of the biggest mistakes is looking at the sugar transaction as a buy – sell transaction where all the buyer is bringing to the table is cash.

    Try thinking in an alternative mode ( works for both) . How would you approach having a roommate is a situation where you had separate bedrooms and bathrooms…….. but you share the living room and kitchen. Make it even closer and imagine the candidate roommate travels on business and is only going to be there 2 nights a week.

    Money is still important to both but the how are we going to get along becomes significant…. does he make a mess, smoke, play rap music or is he a great cook who leaves a spotless kitchen after sharing a gourmet meal with you (saving you the cost and hassle of shopping) and entertains you with interesting conversation that brings out the best in you.

    The third candidate is a New York attorney – wealthy , loud , arrogant, insensitive to your desire for peace and quiet.

    Generally the person only looking at how much rent they are going to get for their “vacancy” ends up with the worst tenants, receiving less in the long run and unhappily whining about dirtbag renters.

    • SB TVC15 says:

      Bingo! Great analogy. Explains perfectly why SD’s who think their personality etc. doesn’t matter because they are paying are just as delusional as many of the SB’s out there.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Bruce Wayne says:
    September 28, 2015 at 6:47 am
    I had a meet and greet Friday with an attractive, sweet, intelligent coed. She only wanted $1500 a month. I “nexted” her because clearly there must be something wrong with her because she is looking for half the average allowance when she could very easily get more.

    Maybe she was new and did not know what to ask. Maybe she liked you. Why question a good thing once you see it?
    I still think that was a joke…

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      It was a joke — I am fucking her brains out once a week…. just all this talk of high allowances… sorry

    • flyR says:

      Perhaps she was looking for a good man and a modest allowance.

      And yes there is less than perfect information in the market. There are many SB’s for whom 1,500/month is a monumental difference and who are happy with that allowance IF they are treated well.

      Some years ago I met an aspiring actress whose mother was in a care facility – all she wanted was enough to cover the difference between her mother’s insurance and the cost and assurance that she would receive some advance notice if things were going to change.

  12. SD says:

    pull up the u tube bit on hot/crazy unicorn scale. It’s a stitch and will explain these SBs

  13. Anonymous says:

    “If you know the shiny new price of an item is a certain range, then you find out one is ‘half price’ of that You have got to wonder ‘what is wrong with it?’ It is not anything new here. People think paying more makes the item more valuable. If you start charging really low prices for certain things that really are worth more, people are going to devalue it”

    Only if the buyer is a highly malleable woman or child easily influenced by alleged MSRP and driven by the pursuit of fashion. Men are supposed to have their own internal stalwart frames of reference.

    Women don’t respect male “suckers.”

    SSSD

    • Anonymous says:

      Unfortunately, it is very hard for men to be judicious in such matters. Their little head is a subvertive agent for females’ monetary benefits. ;(

    • Anonymous says:

      But of course! <<>>.

      Oh yes, and men are never influenced by product pricing or marketing hype. Never. I will remember this next time I see men lined up for the newest apple product or overpriced gadget.

      • Anonymous says:

        women absolutley hate it and do not respect men who are generous with their finances.

      • Anonymous says:

        Gadgets for their functionality, sure, but much less so for their fashion statement value. Funny you should mention Apple products, of which I have none despite having multiple active smartphones. I have observed that girls were much more into the Apple craze at the peak of the craze.

      • Anonymous says:

        As a general rule men are not as into fashion but there are those that are. Look up who runs many of the couture fashion houses. Straight men on Wall-street will buy Prada too.

        Men can also be jeans and shoes collectors. My last bf would spent hundreds of $$$ on one pair of jeans, and I would make fun of him that many times they are made in the exact same factory a $50 pair of jeans is made.

        Apple has it share of male fans and is not considered a female craze thing.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes, it was possible that you had a bigger clit than his dick. What does that say about the average genital size ratios between the sexes?

      • Anonymous says:

        That says more about you and how you are pretty clueless with anyone who is different than you. also, that your analogies are crass and small minded ignorant.

      • Anonymous says:

        And, that even when proven wrong you are the type that will insult and/or be obtuse, rather than admit being wrong.

  14. FlyBoy says:

    There are three phases to a relationships between men and women. The start phase (the approach), the formation phase (dating), the maintenance phase (long term).

    Start
    ======
    IRL: Difficult for men. They are required to initiate the approach and do so confidently.

    Sugar: There is extreme pre-selection in favor of the man making it very easy to initiate the interaction. Indeed many times the SB dose the approaching.

    ———————————-

    Formation:
    ==========
    IRL: First dates are very enjoyable since both sides are eager to please the other.

    Sugar: Very difficult phase as many thorny issues, especially the allowance have to be ironed out.
    —————————————————

    Maintenance:
    =============

    IRL: The drama of life.

    Sugar: Super enjoyable as money DOES take care of all the small problems.

    ————————————-

    That is why men who are awkward with women should avoid the sugar bowl for they will quickly end up in the second phase which is the most difficult one thereby exacerbating their awkwardness with women.

    Whining on the blog is not going to change the facts on the ground!!!!!

    Cheers :)

  15. Anonymous says:

    I tend to see a lot of attractive clean cut/girl next door (apart for a tattoo or two) 19 and 20 year olds popping up lately. They aren’t going to school and don’t seem to have meaningful jobs. Of course, while it complicates nice dinners, I’m not opposed to spending time with an attractive 19-20 year old.

    What’s the best approach?

    • Anonymous says:

      most likely, it is going to be incredibly frustrating because those women tend to be very flaky. I have never gotten to a second date with anyone in that age group. If you do manage to schedule a date, most will cancel at the last minute or no-show — good luck — you will need it.

    • flyR says:

      Take them to a casual but nice place. See what happens.

      These are really hard times on young people both in and out of college. There are few opportunities to step into a professional environment with only a HS education. In past years we hired a number of young women with HS and sometimes college. If they came from the midwest they were reliable and had a good education. In firms like mine there might be 2-3 of them supporting one professional . However, with the internet and technology things have changed dramatically . Even law offices where a partner would have one or two assistants now have senior partners sharing one secy .

  16. Anonymous says:

    “If you’re at a bar with your male buddies, boasting about how many girls you’ve had sex with, maybe a few girls will take interest in you. But if you’re at the bar with at least one gal pal, charming the socks off of one or two girls, rejecting a few others, you’ll have the interest of almost every girl.”

    Exactly! The point of my earlier suggestion to SD’s having difficulties is not to earn bragging capital, but simply to condition oneself to abundance: after a saturation week, the guy is going to stop the neediness that girls can smell miles away and via emails.

    IMHO, escorts can put up with the neediness because of their professionalism (just like a gigalo with proper professionalism should be able to do the old, fat and unattractive women paying him, unlike most normal men not starved of sex). Most girls on SA have not yet attained the “professionalism” of escorts, and hopefully most of them never have to, before being helped by the approriate SD’s to career or personal success.

    • Anonymous says:

      Very succinct observations @SSSD.

      The more you fuck, the neediness goes down and the next pussy gets cheaper.

      • Kore13 says:

        @SSSD Hmm. It makes sense in theory and you’re right about neediness, but I wouldn’t bet on your solution. Maybe a few paid rounds will help with bedroom experience, but experience in every other ‘normal’ social interaction would be missing (flirting, post sex etiquette, etc). A prostitute might also encourage what is a turn off for a non prostitute.

        Your approach is bottom-up, but I think this sort of problem has to be looked at top-down. The reason for my saying this is that there are successful/handsome insecure men (and women), so I’m guessing that it’s not what’s on the outside that will really make a lasting improvment on self confidence.

  17. FlyBoy says:

    Manlets of the blog, read the following words until you understand!

    SA is already like shooting fish in a barrel. If you are still having difficulty getting fish, you can’t really blame Brandon for not putting the barrel together or not stocking it with sufficient fish. You need to step back and examine how you are using your gun and where you are shooting.

    Money is an aphrodisiac. However, if you are so desperate/needy, therefore sending off so much unattractive vibes, that the girl would have to take a ton of drugs after letting you screw her just to recover her own self-esteem (hence the high asking price and poofing), you need an even easier bunny slope where you can practice and make meaningful progress first.

    Contrary to us men who prefer innocent girls, girls want men who carry stamps of approval from other girls. Go get your passport stamped!

    SSSD

    Cheers :)

    • Anonymous says:

      There are 3 SBs within a 100 mile radius of me that I have emailed. There are over 100 SDs in a 100 mile radius of me that have logged in within the last week (and that is just the profiles that aren’t hidden). Your definition of “fish in a barrel” is a lot different than mine. If you are just looking for a pulse and a hole, you can get laid. But if you have any standards, it isn’t that easy.

      • FlyBoy says:

        I don’t believe your story! 33 SBs to 1 SD on SA is just not credible. However, even if it were true your reaction to it speaks volumes about what a pathetic loser you are.

        Manlets whine, men on the other hand, understand their situation and deal with it to achieve their goals. The former is NOT only unattractive to women, but also to employers, friends .. etc

        There! Quit being a manlet and all your problems will go away!!

        Cheers :)

      • Anonymous says:

        I said 3 that I emailing which is different than 3 SBs right? Also, the ratio is not even close to 8:1 (SB:SD) like SA says. I am sorry you have to stoop to name calling to make yourself feel good.

      • Anonymous says:

        You can not possibly judge whether a women is relationship-worthy just by looking at her profile, unless you have really low standards for relationships.

        From the profile, you decide if she is “erection-worthy” or “coffee/lunch/dinner-worthy.” Kudos to Elaine’s “sponge-worthy” from Seinfeld.

        Then you get to first date, and find out how much of her profile is BS, and what good qualities she did not disclose in her profile. Then you decide if she is 2nd-date / consummation worthy.

        Remember, the basic idea of SA, at least at the beginning of a sugarship, is NSA. Different women can have very different reactions after sex and receiving help from you. Some are appreciative by nature and truly pleasant companions that you look forward to meeting again and again; others can turn into real control-freaks that want to bite your head off. You don’t know which is which until you have been with her for at least a few weeks to a few months. Even then, people can change after years.

        You just can’t pinpoint your snowflake from looking at the profiles. Unless you are happy with at least one of the 3 girls you emailed, email more and meet more. Stop putting anyone on the pedastal just from reading her profile. Most girls can’t give the full descriptions about themselves in profiles anyway if they have decent jobs and colleagues/bosses to deal with.

        SSSD

    • Anonymous says:

      Interesting how a woman keeps calling men “manlets”.

      So far I have not seen “womanlets” used on the blog. I guess that it is not to be used as women are allowed to act as retarded children by default, but men have to “man up”?

      • FlyBoy says:

        Again, lol! You complaining about why women are not expected to uphold the same standards as men, is prima facia evidence that you ARE a MANLET!

        Cheers :)

      • Anonymous says:

        I know as a woman cause is equivalent to effect and effect is equivalent to cause to you.

    • Anonymous says:

      The problem is not “manlets” whatever that means. The problem is how SA rounds women up here and the eggs them on.

      Yes, some women fall thru the cracks and decide to make arrangements.

      The rest choose to go without arrangements because otherwise they may be lowering the idiotic “standards” they are led to believe in by none other than SA.

      If SA changed its fucked up marketing AND stopped misleading these women, there would be more arrangements made.

  18. Bruce Wayne says:

    I had a meet and greet Friday with an attractive, sweet, intelligent coed. She only wanted $1500 a month. I “nexted” her because clearly there must be something wrong with her because she is looking for half the average allowance when she could very easily get more.

    • Anonymous says:

      Is this…sarcasm? I hope it is.

      • Anonymous says:

        Why would it be sarcasm? If you know the shiny new price of an item is a certain range, then you find out one is ‘half price’ of that You have got to wonder ‘what is wrong with it?’ It is not anything new here. People think paying more makes the item more valuable. If you start charging really low prices for certain things that really are worth more, people are going to devalue it.

      • Anonymous says:

        The above comment is absolutely CORRECT as it comes from a female mind, and from an escort’s POV.

      • Anonymous says:

        Sorry to dissapoint, but looked down at this moment and it appears I still have all the proper male equipment. Thank goodness! I have worked at big marketing and PR firms for much of my life, so I was making a general statement. Not towards sex or escorting. Although, I have felt like an escort on several occasion by a company or two.

        My advice is to read a few simple research publications or book on the psychology of marketing, product and pricing strategies. It is not rocket science, really.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Bruce

      Way to go buddy. You’re doing your share to keep them standards high. 😉

    • Kevin says:

      it depends on how often she can meet with you and also how attractive she is.

      i rather spend more to get more fucks per week. meeting once a week is kinda pointless for me.

  19. flyR says:

    @ Losing my mind

    “in the old days” rambling thoughts

    There were a number of admn jobs where the recruiters knew the minimum requirements included a high level of attractiveness and “flexibility” The good recruiters would of course screen out or discourage married applicants and to others suggest that it was a great job if they liked the boss.

    With the advent of the lawsuits the good fun ended, both of the employer subsidized kind and the entrepreneur funded. A number of law firms we employed had girls who liked to party and the Friday”team” lunches often ended with the saturday sunrise.

    The equivalent of SB candidates also hung around political events, often at the invitation of the sponsors.

    The internet and the lawsuits over employee “discrimination” ended most of the on the job fun and games (other than among peer groups) . The SB’s of the day found sponsors at these events, other events such as sports car racing, sail racing and other activities which attracted people with disposable income.

    The beauty of SA ( properly used) is that like most internet activities allows a vastly greater hunting ground for both men and women.

    My feeling is that to require a woman to state her allowance requirement without knowing anything about the potential SD other than the requirements which she species ( and which are usually ignored) is bizarre. A brief note to someone whose requirement is well above my prudent budget which includes some reasons why she might consider a lower allowance has a high rate of success. Arguments based on BS lines like there are plenty of lower “priced” women available are not likely to work. However, an presentation that there are sound reasons why you should be considered are very likely to be successful if you are truthful. The SB’s who are just in it for the $ are not going to waiver unless they feel they can not do better economically but the average SB is looking at this as an alternative to the IRL no allowance relationship and being treated well with a modest allowance usually carries the day.

    There’s a huge “underserved” market among the under 30 crowd as age appropriate males often treat their “girlfriends” as little more than dutch treat sperm dumpsters. They the SB candidates, are generally more intellectually curious than their male peers and tired of watching football while serving beer and pizza.

    There are hundreds of thousands ( or millions) of young women who are frustrated with the immaturity of their male peers and their lack of intellectual curiosity ( or at least what they share with their female peers)

    These comments exclude those who are obsessed with having the latest high buck shoes and bags. They are to be avoided like the plague.

  20. Anonymous says:

    To the anonymous below post. “AHEM”…”Maybe kind sir, just maybe, you might want to place a larger prescription bifocal pair of spectacles to the bridge of your narrow nose. Now, commence to remove the heated fog that has arose on those oversized rims to see clearly. Pronounced in the upper right hand (perhaps your mid to far right side of your display device) side, there are words that clearly state in text format; TELL US YOUR STORY.

    • Anonymous says:

      And if you must for clarity sake, refresh your screen and once the page loads you will then find the words across the top display of the blog banner. These folks here at SA sure are brilliant. They proposed an idea and I submitted one.

    • Anonymous says:

      I I’m

  21. Anonymous says:

    “Contrary to us men who prefer innocent girls, girls want men who carry stamps of approval from other girls. Go get your passport stamped!”

    Good one!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      I have no desire to know another woman has stamped her approval on a man to deem him of value.

      Men have options here. This is also a topic of great length discussion within this realm. I can truly attest that I am not attracted to the relentless narcissistic drone who plays the field, while calculating the intervals, time stamps and satellite drops of conversation lacking sincerity and ansence of depth that plays to its own eventual absurd satire.

      Whereas once the sensors were alive with enticing freedom delving into caricature snippets while the display was a force to lure common sense to non existence. Valuable beyond measure for the essential nature of the two had a weight in the ability to satisfy under all circumstances. The only precepts set…beckoning to his call while meditating on the wonders he presented once we crossed each other’s threshold.

      • Anonymous says:

        Allow me to rephrase.

        Once Upon A Time, there was a man who commanded in compliment and was/is a delicacy to
        the palette even when he roamed to and fro. His mannerisms were attentive while he shared his own story entertwinning the detail to his muse as she fashioned her own nurturing his spirit in like. If tension arose, it was a feverish display which led its own seduction to bliss.

        One day in the forest thicket, words were thrown so sharp as swords and they ran away from the fight so unclear. Some days we hear “all is well” which brings us to think…is there a story left to tell?

        As the legend goes, some still say they observe s.o.s. signs at times in the distance. Others profess you can hear the drums still beating of their hearts and the fight was not to their deaths.

        Locals…locals still tell the folk lore and this village was in part founded with them in mind and a palace grew where they await their return at any moment in time.

      • Anonymous says:

        Fuck you @Eloquence.

    • flyR says:

      It is far more effective to simply send messages through words and actions that you understand her needs and that she need have no reservations that they will be unfilled in the celebration. …….

      • Anonymous says:

        I gathered I was not welcome months ago, if not years did I know. Only a fool leads with their heart. I will never return to this space.

  22. Anonymous says:

    If you are having difficulty as an SD, an effective solution might be taking a week-long vacation to the nearest jurisdiction where prostitution is legal, be it Vegas or Montreal or Toronto, then have a different hot girl delivered to your hotel room every day for the whole week! Have 3 of them every day and make it two weeks if you have to. Then when you come back, you will be much more attractive as a man, both on SA and in real life.

    SA is already like shooting fish in a barrel. If you are still having difficulty getting fish, you can’t really blame Brandon for not putting the barrel together or not stocking it with sufficient fish. You need to step back and examine how you are using your gun and where you are shooting.

    Money is an aphrodisiac. However, if you are so desperate/needy, therefore sending off so much unattractive vibes, that the girl would have to take a ton of drugs after letting you screw her just to recover her own self-esteem (hence the high asking price and poofing), you need an even easier bunny slope where you can practice and make meaningful progress first.

    Contrary to us men who prefer innocent girls, girls want men who carry stamps of approval from other girls. Go get your passport stamped!

    SSSD

    • Riviera says:

      Ever seen Woody Allen in a giant condom, that’s escort sex….

    • Anonymous says:

      Woody Allen belongs in a condom…he looks like a sperm.

    • Anonymous says:

      He’s not alone though. Calista Flockhart looked like a sperm too during her Ally McBeal days.

    • SB TVC15 says:

      “Contrary to us men who prefer innocent girls, girls want men who carry stamps of approval from other girls.”

      ew. just ew.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Yeah Just what every girl dreams about finding, a man who will stick his penis in any woman who’s breathing. Get your passport stamped my ass. That’s bullshit men tell other men….

    • Kore13 says:

      @SSSD Sex with prostitutes still wouldn’t give you some of the tools for dealing with non prostitutes. I’m sure there’s a better option.

      I don’t think the stamps of approal are sex partner counts. It’s about appearing desireable to other women as well. A girl is more likely to give you attention if she sees that other girls find you attractive as well.

    • Kore13 says:

      @SSSD If you’re at a bar with your male buddies, boasting about how many girls you’ve had sex with, maybe a few girls will take interest in you. But if you’re at the bar with at least one gal pal, charming the socks off of one or two girls, rejecting a few others, you’ll have the interest of almost every girl.

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      I will never take advice from a guy that recommends fucking a bunch of random strangers to help resolve an issue.

  23. LosingMyMind says:

    Back again and was just thinking. I am guessing that in the past, if you wanted to find a SB/SD relationship, POT SBs would go out to places where POT SDs hung out (e.g., ‘upscale’ lounges or whatever), get dolled up and invest their time (e.g., giving up a night away from their usual friends) and some $ for a round or 2 of overpriced cocktails. Sure, POT SDs could maybe venture to places where POT SBs demographics hang out, like a college bar or something, but often counterproductive and not intuitive. At the POT SD hangouts, there was an element of realism to it – meeting the person, knowing the girl is open to such a relationship, etc. Online today, the POT SDs have to invest a fee (nominal, but still), take the effort to browse through profiles and go through messages and try to set something up with a girl that is more than likely going to flake or has other stuff going on. Yeah, sure, in the other scenario the POT SD would have to make the effort to ‘go out’ somewhere, but he was probably doing that anyway – even if no girls, always likely to meet up with a business associate or other friend to talk about deals or sports. I think that reversal of the environment has somewhat changed the dynamic of getting one of these kicked off. What do you guys think? I’m still juggling with the viruses (or is it viri? LOL) of flakes, delusional expectations of how a SD/SB relationship works, etc. Maybe the girls should have to pay a membership fee of sorts? Ok, fine, I hear the argument ‘if you have a million dollars, $50 is nothing to you but may be everything to someone else, so you should pay it’ I vehemently disagree with that logic – there’s no such thing as gain without risk – and the more gain you seek, the bigger the risk you have to take. And just because you have $ does not mean others are automatically entitled to it just because you can afford it.

    • Anonymous says:

      Those hotel lobby girls of old time were more escorts than SB’s, for the simple reason that they would have to frequent the lobbies of hotels near where they live. Online allows for the girl to market herself at much greater distance; that level of anonymity enables much more girls to participate as potential SB’s. On the one hand, the new comers are less “hardened” than the escorts mentioned previously; OTOH, because they are not escorts, they are also more selective in terms of your attractiveness as a man. Demanding a meeting fee may well be a sh*t test to see how you can deflect it and build your frame to capture her interest . . . because your messages up to that point has not been sufficient to get her tingling and wanting to see you.

    • Anonymous says:

      WTF are you two talking about?

    • uboat509 says:

      I think there are a number of SB in this site who have, as you say, delusional expectations. The last one I read has in her profile.
      “*NOT* looking for anything intimate, so don’t waist your time expecting.”
      I thought to inbox her some comments on that, but why bother. It is, most probably, not like my comments are going to resonate in her mind and make her realize that she might be asking way too much with expectation at Practical and no sex period. I think no arrangement then, period.

      It shouldn’t be so difficult really, but something seems to be difficult to grasp, or internalize, or something. I can imagine a girlfriend who, because of her very busy schedule, sees her boyfriend twice per week for several hours. The boyfriend helps her with some rent, pays her cell phone, pays for their meals together, when they go out, and maybe even gives her some stipend money because he is doing well. Will she feels like a prostitute? Of course not, because she “feels” she is in a ‘relationship’ with this man. After a couple of years, his job changes, and he has to go to another state. She cannot follow, so they depart as dearly friends. Now both of them have to seek for another maybe similar relationship. No drama, no issues there, she did not feel used, or abused, or anything. She grew up, matured, and so did he. There was no entitlement from her part as to “oh! I deserve much better!!” And both won something with the time invested in that relationship.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Uboat509

      Most “regular” relationships are not like that. Men don’t pay for their woman’s shit if she’s not living with him. I am sure it happens, bit it’s not as common. THAT’S why women come here…to look for a SA-promised fool to overcompensate for the free sex they provided before the found sugar.

      • uboat509 says:

        “Most “regular” relationships are not like that. Men don’t pay for their woman’s shit if she’s not living with him.”

        WTF!, so that is what I have been doing wrong all these years! (joke). No wonder I’m here then. Thanks man.

      • Anonymous says:

        In regular relationship a woman give you her pussy to fuck and you give her your mind to fuck. That’s the even exchange.

        If she’s getting fucked in her pussy and not fucking your mind…she’s a saint. Stick with her for as long as you can keep her attention.

      • Anonymous says:

        In marriage you get her pussy to fuck (the frequency goes down with time) and she gets your mind and wallet to fuck (the frequency goes up with time).

  24. ScroogeMcF*ck says:

    Okay, I need some advice. I am usually pretty good at ensuring someone is genuine or gleaning some info in them – let’s not call it stalking. For example I emailed someone today and within 2 minutes had their Facebook, Linkedin and employers profile page. However, I have a crush on a potential SB. She is always coming and going, I have her her WhatsApp and we chat and agree to meet then she is not online for ten days. Her pics do not link anywhere, the same with her mobile. Good girl, everyone should be like this. I have her former IG account which has been deleted, reversed image from a WhatsApp profile pic. Why do I obsess over someone like this? Why can I move on from ex girlfriends and not care whether they are alive or dead but fixate on someone I have only chatted to on WhatsApp and talked to on her mobile. I will walk away as I know it’s not healthy, but why have I obsessed?

    PS I often email nice girls that you can find their data elsewhere, so I am not all bad…

    • Riviera says:

      Can I trademark ellipses? …The girls are going to rip into you as a shady stalker…If she ghosts just next her as they say here.

    • Anonymous says:

      Simple…your dick still gets erect. As long as your dick gets erect, you would do stupid shit like that. It is not the girl. It’s your dick.

      When your dick stops getting erect you will have Alzheimer’s or some shit like that, and nothing would matter…

      Next question?

    • Kore13 says:

      @Scrooge You’re idolizing her.

  25. Anonymous says:

    @seekinginfo

    “more power to an SD who can provide 20K a month. What can an SB possibly provide that would justify 20K?”

    As the slick SD once said…Ask not what a sugar baby can do for you…ask what you can do for the sugar baby.

  26. Anonymous says:

    SBs – don’t settle for less than $5k a month. You know your worth!

    • Anonymous says:

      You got that right sister.

    • Riviera says:

      How do we know you are not double posting agreeing with yourself?

      • Anonymous says:

        Those were two separate thoughts, genius…

        First, Related Set of Questions:

        Are you asking straight up dumb question? Where’s your foking wit, sarcasm and irony?

        Second Totally Separate Question:

        Random question…why do they–in Fucking Britain–stick “r” where it’s not in the spelling and eat “r” when there is one?

      • Kore13 says:

        Doesn’t stop the British accent from being sexy.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        Nothing known to man or woman can stop that.

    • Anonymous says:

      Straight up dumb question? Where’s your foking wit, sarcasm and irony?

      Random question…why do they–in Fucking Britain–stick “r” where it’s not in the spelling and eat “r” when there is one?

    • anonymousSSSD says:

      I’m seeing 3 different women and it’s costing me $4k a month . Why would I spend $5k on 1?

      • Anonymous says:

        Because that would make you a real man?

      • Anonymous says:

        That is all you are seeing? You are spending way too much! I am seeing 10 different women and only spending $2,000! Wait did I say 10? I meant 20 different women for $1,000! yes, that’s right. Why would I spend more than 1k on 20?

      • Anonymous says:

        You are another idiot sucker! Only 20 fo $1,000? That’s outrageous!!! You are getting rinsed yo! im seeing 50 different women for $250 a month for all of em. That is the average price you heard? $5 a pop and anything more u getting rinseded!

      • Anonymous says:

        You guys are ALL getting scammed. iM seeing 100 different gurls a month for $25 total per month. Yeah, they pay me $25 each time they see me. Unless your SBs is paying you at least $25 a POP you are getting taken advantage of. Do not accept anything less. $25 is the average price SBs pay SDs. gimmeya bro fist pump yeah!

      • Anonymous says:

        you are ONLY getting paid 2500 total a month from your 100 sb’s? How stupid and desperate do you have to be? I am getting 10x that and they take turns shaving my big fat hairy belly and back every monday!!!!

  27. ScroogeMcF*ck says:

    How do you justify a $10,000.00 per month allowance?

    • Anonymous says:

      If you have to justify, you can’t afford it, genius.

      • seekinginfo says:

        I can afford 10K, but I am not careless with my money. If there is a legitimate reason for it, then I will pay it. If someone wants to sell me a car for 100K, but the car is only worth 50K, I will not pay 100k. I will do my research and look around what other people are paying. does this make sense?

      • Anonymous says:

        A real man does not look over others’ shoulders. He does his own thing like paying $100k for $50k shit.

    • rembodler says:

      It is easy:

      You: 65 year old, fat, bold, widowed, with tons of money from your ex life insurance policy.
      She: 21, blonde, pretty a cheerleader for a local college team and has photos to prove it.
      here you go…

      • seekinginfo says:

        I am old but not quite 65. :) The women I have emailed are 27 – 32 y/o and they refused my offer of 5k, they wanted 10k and other perks.

      • kitten says:

        God I would jump with joy for 5k what are those girls smoking?

      • Anonymous says:

        Kitten — you are selling yourself short. The average allowance is $3k a month. You don’t want to sell yourself short by only accepting $2k a month above the average. I recommend not settling for less than $10k a month. SA says that is very easily achievable!

      • SD says:

        UMM-Kitten ,the average is at best $1000/month. $5K should make you jump for joy .

      • kitten says:

        Yeah I thought maybe because those girls are older than me they are asking 10k. I’ve never dreamed of asking that much. 0_0

  28. Kevin says:

    Since the dam has opened. I’ll just tell you guys about the SD arrangement in China and Taiwan if you are interested. It might be quite different from things in the states.
    Usually in Taiwan, top girls usually ask for 10k to 16k usd a month. I have even heard some girls ask for 30k usd a month. In China, the price varies more widely. Some girls might be content with 3 to 5k but there are a lot of “models” or actresses who want more 50k usd a month.

    Usually there are agents who hook u up with the girls. So men in Taiwan and China don’t really need a website to reach the girls. On the down side, you do need to pay a hefty fee to your agent for setting things up.

    The funny thing is that. In compresio, the escort price in China is quite cheap. You can get a fairly cute young girl for 2 hours for about 200 dollar. For top of line models or real pretty young ones, they are about $800 and you might be able to negotiate an all-nighter for $1000. These girls are pretty much the like china dolls.

    The SD thing in Taiwan and China is more about emotional attachment. Otherwise, why would you pay more to sleep with the same girl when you can get pretty much a different girl with comparable quality every day of the week?

    • Cryptic anomaly says:

      From what I understand there are more males than females in China so that would make women over there feel even more entitled. I used to think an emotional attachment with the SB would be nice but I don’t get a genuine feeling from most SB’s let alone a sense that they will be pleasant to be around.

      I would rather have a different woman a week than pay those prices to have the same one for a month or more. I just don’t see the value.

  29. Anonymous says:

    I agree with what most said here: @seekinginfo is a fake

    • seekinginfo says:

      @ano. Please clarify which of my comments you think are fake? My original post was asking if it is fair to the SB that I am offering a 5k allowance. I would not offer an SB a 10K or 16k allowance, because I do not have a net worth of 100M unlike some SD’s claim here

      • Riviera says:

        The does an SD need $100 mil+ or I am offering 5K a month statements appeared to fuel the delusional trolls that is what an SD should be worth and how much they should be getting.

      • Riviera says:

        Which SD claim they are worth a $100 mil?

  30. Anonymous says:

    I actually did a 10k/month deal with a girl for a few months. Overall, i spent about 70k including all the dating expense and what not. My friend laughed at me and said he would have gotten about 30 to 50 escorts a month with that money.

  31. Anonymous says:

    10k a month (tax free) is like a 150000 job salary.

    you better have a near perfect look with charming personality.

    • seekinginfo says:

      the few that I have emailed asking for 10K, do not show very charming personality in the emails at all. :) I give them the benefit of the doubt, coz they say, they have been burned many times, by SD’s who made promises but did not follow through.

      • Kevin says:

        the truth is that not many girls deserve 10k a month. Even if they do, they better spend at least 3 days a week with the SD. I find it laughable that some girls who would only want to meet once a week and expect to get 10k a month.

        That’s $2500 per date. I say a pretty good deal for the girl, not for the guy.

    • Anonymous says:

      I can date a serious Victoria’s Secret model for less than $5000/month.

      As someone else mentioned, I am getting a lot of good traction from Minimal girls. They are higher educated than many, and as good looking as the rest. They are interested in an ongoing arrangement instead of playing princess.

  32. Jaybird923 says:

    seekinginfo says:
    @fundude. congrats! I could only wish I was a built 35 y/o with a 24 y/o gf who loves you for you…. not the allowance.

    I hope this is sarcasm…. this really doesn’t sound like something one straight man says to another. All of your comments feel like they were written by a woman.

    And if I happen to be wrong and you really are a man do us all a favor and stop complimenting Fundude you’ll make him more insufferable than usual.

    • seekinginfo says:

      @Jaybird923 I am a man and being truthful of my comments. I apologize if you did not like my comments. Most men (and women) want to be desired for who they are, not for the material things they can offer. Unfortunately, not everyone is as fortunate, so I have to become an SD as an alternative. That’s okay… I accept that I have to find a companion via this route, but it would be great if I did not have to.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I didn’t dislike your comment it just doesn’t sound like something you’d typically hear one guy say to another. But like always there are exceptions…

        And I agree most people do want to be desired for who they are and not for what they look like or what they can provide. But I must admit to being curious as to why you think you can’t find some one who will appreciate and care for you without the monetary inducement.

      • seekinginfo says:

        @Jaybird923 trust me, I have tried very hard to find someone. I took those girlfriend pickup artist classes, life coach etc. My age and looks are against me, let just leave it at that. I am not trying to get sympathy, but after trying for so long, I came to accept that perhaps SA is the only way.

      • Riviera says:

        Buy a big green Bentley whilst hiring a super hot female chauffer, hire a super hot PA (female), hire a super hot Russian au pair (female) even thou you don’t have kids, hire a super hot private chef (female). Hire a super hot personal trainer (female), hire a super hot tennis coach/masseuse….
        They will all be thinking of ways to hitch you and dump you whilst getting as much of your assets as possible. Just play a few smart moves ahead, and enjoy the game…

      • Riviera says:

        A chauffer is very similar to a chauffeur but with the extra’s 😉

      • seekinginfo says:

        @riviera
        They will all be thinking of ways to hitch you and dump you whilst getting as much of your assets as possible. Just play a few smart moves ahead, and enjoy the game

        You seem like an expert at this game. Wish you were my wingman.. to slap me upside the head so I can tell the difference between a good SB and one who just wants to take advantage… oftentimes, I am blinded by a female’s beauty, and I agree to everything she says.

      • Riviera says:

        Resume available on request…

    • seekinginfo says:

      Jaybird923 You look very hot by the way. :)

  33. IHF2030 says:

    I was willing to offer 3k per month allowance. But, on top of that I was willing to offer lots of travel, as well as frequent meals at high end restaurants. So, the extras on top of the base allowance can add up, and shrewd sugarbabies know that and won’t be so short-sighted.

    • seekinginfo says:

      @IHF2030 when I traveled to Europe I spent 8k for a guided tour and air fare. How often does your SB go on trips? If she went on 4 trips a year that could be around 32k. Is this about correct?

      • Riviera says:

        Let’s be honest travel for an SB isn’t that much, I would have to pay a 90% single supplement for most things. So it’s just airfare and food.

      • IHF2030 says:

        I generally go to Vegas 3-4 times a year. Also, I take lots of combined business-pleasure trips to London, New York, Vancouver, Santiago, Frankfurt, etc. And my family owns a villa on the island of Santorini and I generally spend 7-10 days there each summer. So, I would hope that my sugarbaby girl would be able to make at least some of those trips with me. So, the opportunity for travel to those destinations would probably appeal to a lot of sugarbabies.

      • Riviera says:

        I bet she would find an excuse never to leave the pool side, gotta keep them moving…

      • seekinginfo says:

        trips stateside to vegas, miami etc are inexpensive. It’s the overseas trips that can get expensive. I wish some of the SB’s would give their thoughts on here, and maybe justify the allowances that they ask for. But they will probably get attacked by SD’s with sarcastic comments.

      • SD says:

        @seeking

        Give the girls your profile info and take a chance. They can help you out ,especially if they think you are offering $5K

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’d gladly help @seeking

      • seekinginfo says:

        @Jaybird923. The offer is very tempting, but I would catch serious heat if anyone found out my profile. I’m already trying to be discreet because I don’t want co-workers or friends to know that I am doing this. Some posters are quite nasty on this blog.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        ” Some posters are quite nasty on this blog.”

        Think of it as the hazing phase of the initiation ritual

    • tastasia says:

      some women just dont appreciate anything

  34. Traveling Man says:

    @seekinginfo, you have plenty of money to have a great time, if you are decent looking you certainly don’t need to spend $5k a month to be with beautiful women, just work at it, you will be more than fine at $1-2k per month and avoid meeting the stuckups who insist on $3-5-10k per month, high maintenance by definition!! Give the one you promise$1-2 k more than she expected and it will be great

    • seekinginfo says:

      @traveling man. believe me, I have tried really hard for a really long time to have a great time and be with even just one beautiful woman. But my age and looks work against me. But thanks for the comment, I appreciate it!

  35. Cryptic Anomaly says:

    SB says she is not like the rest in her headline. Photo shows her breasts spilling out of bra, nice breasts but despite her essay of a profile she is still exactly right the rest.

    @Anon- Regarding your question about making my mind available for the 22 y.o to rape. I am incredibly intolerant of women’s bullshit and frequently walk or drop chats when they start it, so know, my mind wasn’t raped. Women only play as much shit as they think they can get away with.

  36. FunDude says:

    @Seeking

    If you deal with SBs in a low confidence state where you seem desperate, they will notice that immediately.

    SBs are like sharks who smell blood in the water. If they get a sense they can extort you for higher prices, they will push you.

    Don’t fail their shit tests. Be confident and aggressive or they will take massive advantage of you.

    Also, don’t settle for bullshit “platonic” relationships. Once they start taking money, they better be having sex. PERIOD.

    • Cryptic Anomaly says:

      Also go for Minimal allowance girls, they are just as attractive as the higher end allowance ones and lack the attitude. You don’t get what you pay for here, the $10k girls should be drama free but they bring more with them.

      • seekinginfo says:

        @cryptic. thanks! but for some reason, when I see a picture of a very pretty woman, I look at her expectations and it often says “substantial”. You may say I’m superficial, but the picture is what makes us click the profile. :)

    • seekinginfo says:

      @FunDude great advice! I just joined the site recently after some bad circumstances… that’s why my confidence is low. I will take your advice.

  37. seekinginfo says:

    Hello all. Just hoping someone can give me info here. I read that SDs on average are worth 10M – 20M. My net is around 2M. Do I qualify to be an SD? I am asking because I am okay with providing an allowance of up to 5k. But it seems most of the SB’s here are looking for an allowance of 10K and they expect trips, parties on a yacht, weekend at the hampton’s etc.

    What would be considered an appropriate compensation for an SB? thanks for any info.

    • Riviera says:

      Upload a copy of your bank statement to Imgur and I will be believe you, otherwise…..

      • seekinginfo says:

        I am only asking for info on what is appropriate compensation for an SB. There is no need for me to upload my bank statement. thanks.

      • SD says:

        Log onto FOS (full of shit) . That statement will have all the blog SBs slavering to get your id. You had best hide your profile.

        Average allowance is $250 /meet. If you pay $5000 you can have 5 SBs .

      • Anonymous says:

        OMG average allowance is not 250 per meet. Oh wait it IS for those who are johns trying to save money on hookers. The cheapest escorts are around 200 or 250 per hour, so they are are saving so much money. Such swell guys! 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      Sweetheart you will have to try a bit harder to play an SD here.

    • Riviera says:

      What would you offer a 49 year old crack/meth whore with missing teeth and tattoos?
      What would you offer a 19 year old waitress with a sleeve tattoo but with her own teeth?
      What would you offer a 25 year old that doesn’t work, thinks she is a model, f*cks celebrities in fashionable night clubs, has followers on IG and has the whitest teeth/veneers you have ever seen?

      • seekinginfo says:

        I am asking because I emailed this lady who is 29 and she is beautiful. I said I can give her an allowance of 5k, but she refused, she wanted 10K and lots of other things.

        So I’m questioning if 5k is too small. I’m questioning if maybe this site is only for those who make 100M like most of the stories I’ve read.

      • Riviera says:

        Which Fairy tales have you read?

      • Riviera says:

        If you have $2mil whats $10K a month? The average allowance is $1-2K at most…

      • seekinginfo says:

        Thank you. If 1k – 2k is appropriate for most SBs, then I’m not being unreasonable by offering 5k :)

      • Anonymous says:

        1-2k is NOT the average. Only for the pretend ‘SD’s’ who post here. They argue that $600 pay2play is too much. However, 5k is a decent allowance depending on circumstances.

      • Riviera says:

        @ anon Not every girl has a golden fur trimmed pussy that smells like a rare orchid found only in Shangri-La. In fact every woman on SA is envious of you…

      • seekinginfo says:

        @anon my circumstances is I’m looking for someone to go out with me on the weekends to have dinner, watch a show etc. Sadly, I cannot find a female who would do that on their own. So I am taking this route. I am not asking for anything kinky or anything. That’s why I started to wonder why the SB’s I emailed were asking for more than 5k.

      • seekinginfo says:

        @riviera. good one. If I ever met a girl who smelled like a rare orchid… I just might give her 20k.

    • Riviera says:

      What would you offer the girl with fake pics and wants $500.00 to prove you are genuine before you meet?

      • seekinginfo says:

        My rule is I will meet for a meet and greet dinner. I will not pay anyone in advance, before I even met them. That’s only common sense.

    • Anonymous says:

      LOL. There are just over 2000 billionaires in the entire world. According to private asset management industry, having $1Mil networth (excluding the house one has to live in) qualifies a person as one of the High Net Worth Individuals, who account for just about 1% of the population in the US. In between these two, there is a category called Ultra High Net Worth Individuals, with cut-off line at $30mil; there are just about 200,000 UHNWI in the entire world.

      Did SA manage to recruit all the UHNWI’s from a dozen solar systems inhabited by intelligent lives?

      In my experience, most SB’s are happy with $1k to $3k per month. Below $1k, the SB may have to juggle multiple SD’s. Over $3k (unless it’s for tuition payment), you’d have to worry about whether the SB has an expensive drug habit or a project/BF/husband/children that she is playing sugar mommy to. Keep in mind, the average woman in the US in her 20’s only makes about $1800-2000 per month before tax. $1k to $3k after tax subsidy is doubling her take-home pay if not more!

      You do not qualify to be an SD because you are a woman looking to be an SB. LOL!

      SSSD

      • seekinginfo says:

        thank you this is very informative. This is what I was looking for. I am not an SB, I really am “trying” to be an SD. But I am getting sticker shock. I’m thinking if I gave someone $5k a month tax free that should make them happy. But I am feeling discouraged because the ones I have emailed are asking for 10K and more.

      • FunDude says:

        @Seeking

        5K/month is too much for the vast majority of SBs. They aren’t quality enough to justify that.

        Women who are demanding 10K/month are probably newer women or rinsers that are delusional. They will just play around on SA, never find anyone. They will either leave or lower their price.

      • Anonymous says:

        A 40% to 60% increase in one’s after-tax / take-home pay can make a substantial qualitative difference. Big ticket items form cars to houses (rentals as well purchase) as well as consumer items from the same supplier are often tier-priced at 1.4x to 1.6x between offerings. 1.4 is the geometric mean between 1 and 2 (that’s how human auditory system appreciate sound frequencies in octaves); whereas 1.6 is the golden ratio, related to how human appreciate volume and size.

        If someone is asking $10k/mo and would not accept anything less, she is either clueless or already making close to $200k/yr and/or used to $200k/yr life. It would make for a much happier relationship for both if you enhance a girl making $40k/yr to $60/yr living standard, than getting a girl already used to $200k/yr expenses to settle with you and live on “only” $150k/yr. If a girl is from a upper class family that has fallen on hard lucks, or accustomed to dating UHNWI making much more than you do, your giving her an upper middle class living standard would only disappoint her. The outcome would not be fair to her or to yourself.

        Happiness is about meeting and exceeding expectations.

        SSSD

    • FunDude says:

      No one knows what the sugar daddies are really worth.

      All it takes are a few clowns to pretend they are worth 100 million dollars to really screw up the numbers.

      There is no verification of assets on here.

      I suspect at 2 million, you are still doing quite well among real SDs.

      Doesn’t really matter the actual worth of the person, but the 5K/month issue.

      • seekinginfo says:

        thank you fundude for not being sarcastic with your reply. :) I don’t have a family and kids, so I figured I would help “support” a college female in exchange for companionship/friendship… and a bit more of course. 😉 But like I said, the sticker shock was starting to discourage me. But thanks for the support from fellow SD’s out there. :)

      • seekinginfo says:

        by the way fundude. I wish I was built like you. Then maybe I won’t have to pay an allowance to find a woman. Do you actually pay an allowance to an SB? Why would you if you are built the way you are?

      • FunDude says:

        @Seeking

        I am dating a 24 y/o female while I’m 35 y/o for free.

        Just pay for vacations or trips we both enjoy.

        I am not signed up for the service anymore, just basically using this blog for amusement.

        I would only pay for an EXCEPTIONAL level female. The vast majority of women on here aren’t really worth anywhere near their demands.

        My current gf is more attractive than the women who send me messages on this website except for rare exceptions, who probably wouldn’t make good LTR potential due to ego issues/craziness.

        I am currently happy with my gf and don’t need a SB.

      • FunDude says:

        @Seeking

        As a guy worth 2 million, offering 5K/month, you are superior to >98% of SBs on here.

        Even if you don’t look good, your financials make up for it.

        Ergo, you need to just be confident with the women and don’t take shit.

      • seekinginfo says:

        @fundude. congrats! I could only wish I was a built 35 y/o with a 24 y/o gf who loves you for you…. not the allowance.

    • IHF2030 says:

      There are ALOT of very attractive young women in my area who are seeking less than 5k per month.

    • Cryptic Anomaly says:

      You have more than a lot of SD’s. I have seen some with as little as $50k net worth.

      • seekinginfo says:

        @cryptic. thank you. That is reassuring, coz I thought SD’s on here are worth 100M per the articles I have read

      • Cryptic Anomaly says:

        I used to think I was on the lower end too but I have more than most and the $100 million guys are fakes mostly anyway.

      • no name says:

        hi cryptic you don’t need a 100 million to be a sugar daddy if you have a high paying job with enough surplus income to pay a allowance then you can call your self a sugar daddy so even you have 0 net worth but a high income it is possible to be a sugar daddy im not disagreeing with anything said above but i thought i add this to show how confuseing this definition of a sugar daddy is

  38. Riviera says:

    I am chatting to someone who is fed up with the liars on SA. So am I.

    She is 42 on SA, but 44 on POF…

  39. Riviera says:

    Well I am now sure virtually every girl in the UK is a scammer:
    “I am interested in a NSA arrangment, ideally a strong confident man is my cup of tea. I would of course want to be pampered, as well as I will give the most affection, time and attention you will need. no drama attached. The way my previous arrangement worked, was that we agreed on a “pay per meet” in the beginning, to see if we had a connection, I would of course receive the payment before I met him, for safety reasons. When we found out we had a connection, we would then discuss the arrangement in full detail and instead of a pay per meet, I would then be offered a monthly allowance. Every arrangement is of course different, but do tell me right now if this is not ideal to you, so we don’t waste both our time.”
    Me — Can you Skype before we meet or I send the advance?
    “what do you mean? :)”
    Me — Can you chat to me on Skype?
    “instead of meeting?”
    Me — Prior to meeting, in addition to. After all I am sending the advance? How much is the advance?
    “250 pounds, but if you only want a Skype meet, I don’t have to go anywhere, and we can just say 150 pounds.”
    Me — I want the Skype meet before I send the advance to ensure it is you… I AM SURE HER PIC IS FAKE
    “don’t waste my time”
    We’re Sorry, But You Are Blocked By This Member…

  40. Bianca says:

    Hello, I’m new to this whole thing and was just wondering, is 18 years old too young for some SDs?? Technically it is legal in the United States but I can see how one would think that that is “pushing it” or that it still makes a me child. Any tips??

    • Anonymous says:

      Some but not all SDs don’t want an SB that is under 21 mainly because of the alcohol issue and women your age tend to be very unreliable aka flaky

      • SD says:

        I love young SBs ! I save $ on alcohol-AND don’t have a shit faced girl puking in my hotel room. Young girls are down for most everything and are usually not burned out with relationship fails .

      • SD says:

        Also -appropos to the previous dead horse beating -I have a wife to converse and relate with. I want an SB to screw my brains out ,scream her brains out cumming over and over again. Period -end of discussion.

    • Anonymous says:

      You’ll (and should) be asked to produce evidence of being 18. That is because menu underage girls claim to be 18 and could possibly get the SD into serious legal problems.

    • Riviera says:

      Do you disappear for weeks and come back as if nothing happened? Will you read a text, WhatsApp message, or SA email and reply a week later?

      • Anonymous says:

        No, that’s just what you do while you juggle your women. Inconsistently consistent. Get your grove on.

    • IHF2030 says:

      The drinking age up here is 19, so I want a woman who is at least of legal age to go into a bar or lounge with me and have a drink. So, your age might be an issue for some guys.

    • Riviera says:

      Will you just block a guy because you don’t like his private photo? – Happened to a friend 😉 Will you just send requests for private photos without entering into conversation?

    • Anonymous says:

      I kinda like under 21 girls. They can’t order multiple stupid expensive ass girly drinks at restaurants.

    • Riviera says:

      I met one young girl who turned looking like Daisy Duke for a 300.00 a head Japanese restaurant…

    • no name says:

      18 is not too young but there is wide range of ages for the SD’S are you prepared to meet men over the age of 40 but there are also sugar daddies under 40 too

  41. Cryptic Anomaly says:

    @Anon “This blog is nothing more than a wailing wall for men to complain and bitch about how difficult it is to be a man, and how much they hate women. No wonder you’re on here, you’re all being little bitches. No woman actually wants to date/marry you, or the woman you’re with hates you and the marriage, so you have to come here. Then you feel a lot more like a “man” because you feel in control. Because this is the only aspect in your life you can control. You can continue to whine and complain, because that’s all you’re good for.”

    You haven’t read the SB posts have you??

  42. Cryptic Anomaly says:

    @Jeffret – My youngest Girlfriend was 22, that was when I was 40 so I would consider that to be much younger and I didn’t have to pay her.

    • Anonymous says:

      Not having to “pay” money is one dimension.

      Did you “pay” in-kind by making your mind available for her to rape it?

      If you didn’t the you done good.

  43. Riviera says:

    I just saw the Dr Phil clip – 2012. They were not attractive….

  44. stupidsd says:

    Had the misfortune of meeting one of those look pretty, show up, get allowance,do nothing sb. I never had to discuss the sex part. Every sb gets the program. This one is the exception. Damn dr. Phil and his tv show! I suggest SDs mention intimacy to avoid confusion and scam.

  45. Anonymous says:

    Cause and effect is one of the fundamental aspects of STEM fields. Only 20% women go into the STEM fields even though 60%-70% of the US student enrollment in colleges is female.

    Now armed with $160,000 education, sociology, psychology, garbology, art history, etc., degrees women will complain that they make 30% less than men in STEM fields.

    Cause and effect is totally lost on the female gender. :(

  46. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous

    “This blog is nothing more than a wailing wall for men to complain and bitch about how difficult it is to be a man, and how much they hate women.”

    I am so sorry that it is not the other way around anymore. It used to be but things changed. Again, my apologies dear.

    “No wonder you’re on here, you’re all being little bitches. No woman actually wants to date/marry you, or the woman you’re with hates you and the marriage, so you have to come here.”

    When God created (or whoever you believe created) woman He/She/It skipped the ability to differentiate cause from the effect. It drives men bananas but He/It loves seeing men go bananas. ‘Tis what it ’tis.

    “Then you feel a lot more like a “man” because you feel in control. Because this is the only aspect in your life you can control. You can continue to whine and complain, because that’s all you’re good for.”

    He/It keeps laughing and laughing and laughing.

  47. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous

    “How about more sugar daddy’s be honest about their income and net worth. so tired of seeing an income of 100,000+ and net worth of 2 million+ but being asked if I will accept $100 per meeting”

    If that’s what you appear to worth, that’s what you are being offered.

    “and me saying that I would like a minimum of at least 3,000 a month”

    If you are asking for $3,000/month and you are being offered $100/meeting, something is off.

    Let’s do some role play…

    Say, you go to Walmart and apply for job. They gladly give you a form to fill. You ask for salary, they tell you $8/hour. You say I want $100/hour. They laugh at you. You tell them “fuck you asshole” and storm out…

    Say, you go to IBM and try to apply for a job. IBM can pay “someone” $100/hour, right? Heck, they can pay “someone” even $300/hour. IBM does not even give you a form to fill. They ask you to go online and fill a form and they will call you when they may need you. You keep waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting…You go back to IBM to figure out why. They ask you to wait for a reply. You keep waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting…Do you get the picture?

    “One, I’m not a cheap hooker”

    Of course you are not. You are an expensive hooker-wanna-be but don’t want to work your way up. You want to start at near the top and then go higher.

    “I’m a young intelligent woman that is looking for an established man to share my life with and build something together.”

    Take a ticket and wait in line…and keep waiting and waiting and waiting and…you get the picture, right?

    “What I desire to have as an allowance is pretty low considering what some of these guys profiles “claim” they make. Both parties have to be honest.”

    Of course IBM pays millions of dollars to some of their superstars, but if IBM does not pay some of that money to you then what does that tell you?

    “Just tired of all of the bs and getting dumb ass messages for a year now.”

    You’re pretty slow learner…IBM ain’t callin’ you back ne time soon. They like fast learners. 😉

  48. Anonymous says:

    This blog is nothing more than a wailing wall for men to complain and bitch about how difficult it is to be a man, and how much they hate women. No wonder you’re on here, you’re all being little bitches. No woman actually wants to date/marry you, or the woman you’re with hates you and the marriage, so you have to come here. Then you feel a lot more like a “man” because you feel in control. Because this is the only aspect in your life you can control. You can continue to whine and complain, because that’s all you’re good for.

  49. Anonymous says:

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  50. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jeffret “Lets be honest a lot women on SA would not date the average SD without getting compensated for it. A lot of men get offended and thinks SB are gold diggers when they ask for money. Most men that can get attractive women for free would not be here.”

    I have dated much younger for free, then again I am only 41 and look younger myself. Sugar for me is a curiosity and when it works it is fun. So why do I pay? I like the mutual understanding that this won’t be forever and won’t be leading anywhere. I believe the 2 SB’s I have had didn’t want forever either so it worked well.

    I am sure some men pay because they have to though and also because they want someone much younger.

    • Jeffret says:

      What does much younger mean I never stated a age? There are women from 18 -50 here. Im here because it is easier to find SB on this site then in real life. If I had compatible 20 something that wanted to date me free of charge with no expectation I would not be here.

    • Anonymous says:

      I am here because it requires a lot less leg work to get sugar going. It would work even better if SA stopped egging on these idiotic women to no end.

      • IHF2030 says:

        Now, what fun would it be if SA actually encouraged these young women to be realistic in their expectations and outlook?

      • Riviera says:

        The amounts for the suggested allowances jumped up with the upgrade.
        £3,000.00 a month became moderate. Now you have Manchester Barbie Dolls believing they are worth £3,000.00 a month…

      • Anonymous says:

        What can I say…some dogs do seem to enjoy chasing their tails

        [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfBG0d5Oj3c]

  51. Anonymous says:

    Cryptic Anomaly

    “most women have a princess attitude and want everything their way, even if most times they don’t have a clue what they want at all.”

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    Yes they don’t know what they want but they want it their way and the man MUST know what they want or else he is not the real man. Go figure. 😉

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      Yes the ol’ “Be a man/Man Up” excuse, I don’t think I have ever heard a man tell a woman how to be a woman yet it’s totally acceptable for a woman to tell a man how to be a man.

      More and more men are wising up.

    • Anonymous says:

      Western men are dumbfounded because the more they give to these ungrateful women, the more they want to shamelessly claim off of men’s resources without even a thank you.

      Anecdote…

      I recently participated in a volunteer event for 4 hours. Almost 50% men and 50% women. The men grabbed power tools, the women grabbed hand tools or no tools at all. Men hauled ass…most men stayed the course…half of the women kept taking breaks. Yes…some of the women kept working with their hands or hand tools.

      End result…most of the work get done by men…everyone got credit for the volunteer work. THIS is how the co-ed work environment basically works.

  52. anonymousSSSD says:

    Lmao! It seems Cat’s 15 minutes of fame are up as no one even mentions her anymore. Oh well, she wasn’t even an SB anyway. What a joke contest.

    Ok guys and girls, I’ll let you get back to your mindless debate about differences between men/women, sb’s/hookers. Very unoriginal topic by the way and has been beaten to death many times before. You all sound like a bunch of clucking hens!

  53. Anonymous says:

    Those who think what was written about mothers of grown up men was “twisted” evaluate your own mother on the basis of the following:

    – Does your mother fuck you mind just because she can?
    – Does your mother still treat you as if you were a little boy?
    – Does your mother interfere with your love live?
    – Does your mother expect you to provide your resources to her?

    If the answer is NO to all of the above, you have a great mom. Take good care of her.

    If the answer is YES to any of the above, then fuck you. :)

    • FunDude says:

      Women are blatant hypocrites when it comes to standards they apply to men compared to themselves.

      They want men to “care for them” unconditionally and overlook their flaws while simultaneously demand a “high quality” make ruthlessly dependent on his income/assets/looks, etc.

      • SouthernSB says:

        Fundude-Who are these women? I can’t even relate to a single word you just posted.

      • Cryptic Anomaly says:

        Very true FunDude, @Southern, he speaks the truth, sure there might be some exceptions but most women have a princess attitude and want everything their way, even if most times they don’t have a clue what they want at all.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Southern…They are the majority of the demographic being discussed…you need to either get out more or take an honest look in the mirror.

    • Anonymous says:

      Did you evaluate your mother @FunDude? Is she a saint cuz the answer to the 4 questions above are unanimously NO?

      Or is she just another woman vis-à-vis their grown-up offspring?

    • Anonymous says:

      Misogynists often begin their hatred of women due to the relationships with their mothers. Your opinions on the matter are not surprising.

    • Anonymous says:

      Let’s re-write it to see if it still makes sense…

      God-haters often begin their hatred of God due to their relationships with their priests. Your opinions on the matter are not surprising.

    • Anonymous says:

      Or

      Mmisandrist often begin their hatred of men due to their relationships with their fathers. Your opinions on the matter are not surprising.

    • Anonymous says:

      Oedipus Rex…

    • Anonymous says:

      Are you referring to Sigmund Freud’s “Oedipal Complex”…claiming that every boy has a latent desire to kill his father and sleep with his mother?

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Interestingly enough I have seen this mother/son dynamic that you are talking about. It’s usually most prevalent in households where the son was raised by a single mother and households where the mother is the dominant parent. That’s why I have a strict policy about not dating men raised by single mothers… unless she’s dead.

      • rembodler says:

        OK, I claim the “Oedipus Rex” remark… Sometimes I am just too lazy to type my blog credentials in.
        The interpretation of “latent desire” etc. is simplified, but true in many respects. The key point most people miss is that Oedipus did not know he killed his father and bedded his mother. Him accepting his fate and consequently guilt despite his ignorance is lost in this interpretation.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        You and your greek mythology :-)) Yeah a lot of people don’t know the actual story. Oedipus was an honorable man an Sigmund Freud kind of perverted his story. Have you read Antigone or did you stop at Oedipus Rex?

      • rembodler says:

        hahaha…Jay.
        If I say I recall read Antigone by Jean Anouilh…
        I am a very educated man. That does not make me a very rich man. Fortunately, there are still women like you, who respect education. That is why my neighbor next door, selling used cars, who makes way more than me, probably pays twice to my current SA squeeze. :-)…
        I get away with poems, roses and sweet nothings.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Rem

        Correct…I have not read Freud much but if his lesson learned from the sad Oedipus Rex tale is that a child wants to sleep with his/her parent of opposite sex, then what can I say. :(

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I appreciate intelligence when I find it…. it gives me an opportunity to talk to someone other than myself. (For some reason people think you’re crazy when you do that, but I just find myself very entertaining) :-)

        I haven’t read Jean Anouilh version of Antigone. Based on the circumstances in which it was written it would be interesting to see how it compares to the original by Sophocles.

    • Anonymous says:

      Why dynamic are you referring to? “Oedipal Complex” or the four points mentioned above?

    • Anonymous says:

      That can be a cultural thing and not a male female thing. I am middle eastern and my father is constantly asking me for money. My mother acts embarrassed about it but not him.

    • Anonymous says:

      @MiddleEastern

      Let’s probe if your mother is genuinely embarrassed:

      1. Does your mother have the ability to put her foot down to prevent your father from asking

      2. Does your father use the money on things in which your mother is not a beneficiary?

      3. Are her needs met through your father’s demand of money from you?

      4. Does she refuse to use the money that you give to your father?

  54. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous

    “Women can be fatter or older and still be amazing SB, the SB I had that were stunner have been mediocre. But maybe your are just using them for sex and then it do not matter if they are funny and kind.”

    Let’s make a male version of the above and see if it works… 😉

    “Men who are poorer can be amazing SDs, the SD I had that were richer have been mediocre. But maybe your are just using them for money and then it do not matter if they are funny and kind.”

    • SouthernSB says:

      Wouldn’t that depend on what the SB was looking for? Perhaps if the SB was looking for someone to supplement her income and not the “lux life” and found herself bored and uncomfortable around all those rich people perhaps she could find a rich SD mediocre.

  55. Anonymous says:

    “Women can be fatter or older and still be amazing SB, the SB I had that were stunner have been mediocre. But maybe your are just using them for sex and then it do not matter if they are funny and kind.”

    Let’s try changing a few words in the last sentence: Maybe you are just using them for money and then it does not matter if they are . . .

    That I think is the crux of the issue: SD’s don’t enjoy being “used” any more than SB’s do. A veneer of “normal dating” is much appreciated by both sides; asking for meeting fee breaks that veneer. Girls have anti-slut/anti-whore defense, and men have anti-john defense for the same reason. Asking for money before meeting is a little like asking for sex or blowjob before meeting, not attractive because it’s a clear sign that the other party is using you and frankly insulting.

    BTW, I have female friends who are funny and kind, but I don’t have sex with them. My ex-wife is kind (and somewhat funny sometimes), but I’d rather finance her living standards and let her have her own fun, so I can have my freedom to enjoy my SB’s with young hot fertile bodies and early enough in their careers that my help can make a big difference.

    The value of SA is that it puts together a target-rich environment (for both SD’s and SB’s really seeking). It also helps me resist temptations by young hot female employees, tenants, etc., where a dalliance would be unfair to others and may end up becoming more costly in terms of time and reputations. SA certainly has a abundant crop of girls more innocent and relationship-worthy than the typical CC-riding bar/dance-club girls. It’s a matter of finding one that is fun to be with and granting her a sustainable sugarship before she is either discouraged or hardens internally from too many failed attempts.

  56. SouthernSB says:

    If women only care about themselves and don’t care anything about men, then what’s up with all those train wreck, trailer trash girls fighting every Saturday night at the clubs, over some no account X-Box playing fuckboy without a job?

  57. Anonymous says:

    @FunDude

    “I think most mothers still care about their sons.”

    Yes, as a platonic boy-toy to fuck his mind OR the child in man’s body OR a tool to have fun with younger generation of females OR, if she’s lucky enough, another source of vital physical resources.

  58. Anonymous says:

    Re: Prostitution.

    Women have been working as pussy/womb prostitutes for eons. It’s called marriage. Women have been working as pussy prostitutes for eons. It’s called prostitution.

    Men have been working as muscle/brain prostitutes for eons. It’s called commerce.

    However, recently women have been invading men’s prostitution without any corresponding invasion of men on pussy and/or womb prostitution. Men just are not physically able to do that.

    Men have been creating machines to further screw themselves against women who will then put machine/brain against their muscle/brain.

    It is what it is.

  59. Jeffret says:

    Lets be honest a lot women on SA would not date the average SD without getting compensated for it. A lot of men get offended and thinks SB are gold diggers when they ask for money. Most men that can get attractive women for free would not be here.

    • FunDude says:

      Same thing could be said about a lot of the “sugar babies” who “shouldn’t be here”.

      There are plenty of women who are older/fatter/etc that really don’t fit into the sugar paradigm.

      Yet here they are!

      Many of these men are looking to UPGRADE their female expectations. Why would they pay money for a woman who isn’t an upgrade?

    • FormerAnon says:

      Get a clue no one is offended they are asking for money once an arrangement is agreed upon that is the whole SD/SB dynamic. It is the fact that they are demanding money to even meet and see if there is any compatibility for an arrangement that is laughable.

    • Anonymous says:

      and on the other side – Most SD ‘s would not provide money without sex.

      – very few men are interested in dating women IRL where there is no sex …….

      If you have a decent ability to generate funds then the arrangement may pay for itself by leaving more productive time ( not having to go through the honey’dos or meet the family , listen to the stupidity of her girlfriends.

      • Jeffret says:

        I never said SB or dating in real life dont include sex, if you dont want a SB that dont have sex dont date here.

  60. FunDude says:

    Are we back to women demanding money for a “meet up” at a coffee shop?

    Only a sucker would be that stupid. Fortunately, almost every SD commenting on this website is against it.

    When a beta like Zito is against it, its pretty bad.

  61. pure-seductress says:

    The question of how an SD/SB relationship is different from prostitution is simple. It’s supply and demand. if the SD wants a SB, they will have to show how well they can provide for that SB. In addition to the gifts that keep the SB close and relatively happy, the SD is also paying the SB for their discretion. If the SD fails to do these things, the SB will likely trade up to someone who will.

    This is not a fee-for-service arrangement like prostitution.

    The SB, if they’re good, will take genuine interest in who the SD is and what they want. The SB will be respectful of the SD’s time and situation without allowing themselves to be disrespected in the process.

    • Anonymous says:

      Prostitutes are paid for discretion as well. What pro wants to be ‘outed’ as a pro? I’m not talking street walkers, of course.

    • Anonymous says:

      The distinction is a lot fuzzier than you would like to think. I am saying this not because I disrespect SBs. Mostly because I do not disrespect escorts.

    • Anonymous says:

      A prostitute looks only for an overwhelming reason not to be with a john

      A sugar baby looks for an overwhelming reason to be with an SD in an ongoing relationship. With most it is just one SD at a time. Many SB’s have fewer sexual partners than their friends who are out clubbing. Hopefully the SB finds an SD who is genuinely concerned about her pleasure, knowing the huge change that occurs when a woman knows when walks in the door that she is going to have awesome sex without the drama of most traditional relationships

    • FunDude says:

      There really is no difference between a SB and escort except for “exclusivity” issues.

      Escort will service more men.

      A woman is who taking money to “hang out with you” doesn’t CARE about you. That is all nonsense.

      • Anonymous says:

        Troll

      • pure-seductress says:

        I think SB/SD are dating during their time together. Not to any permanent commitment – of course. The SD’s I’ve had met me by chance, in person. They wanted to get to know me and I wanted the same. Perks came later and in many different forms. These are relationships that lasted for more than 5 years. There is no way I equate that with escort service. But with the way most people are seeking the instant gratification form of relationships, I can see how this concept is misconstrued.

      • Anonymous says:

        Women don’t care about you, period, unless she is your mother and you are still a child. After you grow up into adulthood, not even your mother cares about your, except for (1) as her support just in case she needs it; (2) as her source of grand children. Women care about themselves and children; that’s about it.

        A typical woman is evolutionarily driven to put herself at the center of the universe most of the time, yet eagerly willing to self-sacrifice herself to make/keep a baby. She would not self-sacrifice for you, unless it makes her feel like she is doing it for her baby or future baby; she can be very self-sacrificing during sex, but it is not about you!

        A man significantly more successful in resource gathering than the average men will have to pay for the women one way or another.

      • FunDude says:

        @Anonymous

        Correct, except for the mother part. I think most mothers still care about their sons.

      • Jeffret says:

        Okay if its the same thing start paying escort prizes to your SB, that means only to talk to them they want to get money and per hour is at lest 200 -300 dollar and thats the low end backpack escorts.

    • rembodler says:

      @pure-s.

      Everyone is entitled to her opinion. It does not make other people’s opinion wrong.
      Most female bloggers come here to present themselves as high paid courtesans, following rich successful men in their private jets (always private jets) and giving them amazing business advice along with mind-blowing sex. Their SDs adore them, buy them most expensive gifts, dine them in Paris and wake them up with a gentle kiss in a hat on a tropical island.
      You maybe all that – or just an average Jane. Who knows.
      Just that you are not the first to play that game here, nor will you be the last.

      • Anonymous says:

        I’ve never seen those types of stories here! Lmao u are exaggerating. Quite the opposite. It is usually men complaining about paying $100 for gas money or comparing cheap pricing of thier ‘sbs’. If only we had some nice stories to read—-that would be nice change!

      • Anonymous says:

        @rembod……Clarity is the essence of communication.

  62. Anonymous says:

    @Rem

    This dead horse keeps reincarnating. It’s fun to read the “logical” reasons to give into yet another women’s nonsense.

  63. rembodler says:

    I feel bad for a poor dead horse…
    For me it is very obvious…An SB is free to ask any amount of money she deems reasonable for meeting her @ McDonalds. I am free to politely decline and message the next girl on my list. I have no idea what is the point to argue about it.

    Either we do not have any SBs who want to meet and then, we, SDs, have to pay money to meet a Princess at McD. Or, as the case is, we have plenty of choices and the SB who demands money for the first meet is quickly and carelessly “neXted” and we continue talking to nine others who want to meet without any outrageous requests…

    • noname says:

      good points rembodler a SB is free to ask for a amount she thinks is reasonable and a SD is free to decline your right just move on no need to argue about it

      • Anonymous says:

        @noname – it’s not an “argument,” just an interesting discussion of this very basic aspect of dating via this site. I don’t argue with a POT who asks for $50 – $100 outside of the ‘I need to pay a babysitter’ or ‘I need to pay for gas’ context. (I would of course pay for a babysitter, or help with a tank of gas if she drives far.) I just politely decline and move to next.

      • Anonymous says:

        agreed anon its our money to spend there’s lots of ladies who will meet for free on a M&G so if someone is asking for money there’s no need to pay that if you don’t wish too

    • Anonymous says:

      but but I am the horseface neighhhhhhh!!! whwres me carrot??

    • Anonymous says:

      Same for SB.. We quickly and carelessly next a guy not meeting our demands. I don’t sell myself so cheap as many guys seem to expect, but I’m even more surprised with guys selling themselves so cheap. I like to be wanted when having sex.. I don’t want to have to pay someone to make it worth their while.

    • SouthernSB says:

      Hey Rem, I’ll met you at Micky D’s. If the guy in your avatar is you I think you’re pretty hot. BTW, I could give a damn about getting a fee for a meet and greet, they already have a site for that, if that’s what I wanted to do.

  64. Anonymous says:

    1. Some of those asking $500 to meet may actually be using a euphemism / trying to stay on the safe side of law, as an indirect way of asking if you are ready to consummate on the 1st date. Some are pro’s, others are just in urgent need and putting themselves out there perhaps due to location (girls in boonie towns are severely handicapped for dating and keeping men in any context) therefore willing to commit herself to the first “prince” who will “rescue” her from dire strait. Nothing wrong with that, it’s the central plot for many a classic romance novels, except nowadays usually doesn’t involve virgins or marriage.

    2. I hardly ever encountered a request for $50-100 to meet. I usually take the candidate to an upscale restaurant (>$100 or so place, but <$200, have to save something better for later); then at the end of dinner surprise her with $100 for her time, but she still has to "earn" it. No, not a BJ or HJ in the parking lot, but something risque to signal her interest and "willingness to submit," paving ground for consummation on second date. Out of multiple dozens of candidates over 5+ years, failure cases can be counted one single hand.

    3. Always bring sufficient funds and be prepared just in case. Sometimes a date can go beyond what either one expected before-hand as both get carried away at the spur of the moment when two people find compatible chemistry. Reward her well when that happens.

    SSSD

    • Anonymous says:

      @SSSD – your post points up the wide variety of approaches and attitudes among us men. I don’t need a sign that she will “submit.” I simply ask (in a subtle way) if she is interested in intimacy, with me. Face to face, I’ve never been lied to about that. It’s simple; “yes” or “no” are the two options.

    • Anonymous says:

      SSSD, you are amazingly sexist. Really old fashioned. Disguisting:

      “Some are pro’s, others are just in urgent need and putting themselves out there perhaps due to location (girls in boonie towns are severely handicapped for dating and keeping men in any context) therefore willing to commit herself to the first “prince” who will “rescue” her from dire strait.”

      • Anonymous says:

        LOL. Tickling your fancy? I see.

        I’m not old fashioned or being sexist, just pointing out the male-female arch-types that emerged from hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution. I’m glad people nowadays can indulge in those classical romance arch-type roles for a while just for mutually rewarding sex and endorphine highs, instead of having to commit the rest of their lives like in old times.

        BTW, real SD’s are self-selected from the top 1% to top 10% of all men in terms of income and assets. There is nothing sexist pointing out the typical real SD has much greater resources than the typical female SB who is in a much earlier stage of her life prior to real career building.

        The near-complete absence of SM’s willing to sponsor young male SB’s despite average women making 87% of average men income (allegedly), instead of SM’s numbering over 80% (or even 50% or 30% or 10%!) of SD count, goes to show that the gender arch-types exist for real, not a sexist artificial construct. Women enjoy “being rescued” and men enjoy “rescuing.” That is built into our genes. The game can be a turn-on for both when played in moderation.

        SSSD

      • Anonymous says:

        BTW, I’m not advocating women becoming dependent on men in the long run. Just a mutually attractive game before the young lass has built her career. If it ever comes to the next stage for the two, helping the young lady to take care of her reproductive prerogative/burden, and thereafter make it easier for her to reintegrate into work force and actually becoming a strong and independent woman in the long run based on her own long and continuous career in her chosen field.

  65. noname says:

    there’s a lot of hate on this blog lately the articles on SA about first meets all say no money or sex should be exchanged on the first meet so a sugar daddy doesn’t have to pay i don’t think any decent man would refuse to cover a ladies cost of meeting him but if a sugar daddy wishes to treat a lady to more its his choice as for me i used to give a small amount of cash on a first meet now i don’t i give a gift a prepaid credit card

    • IHF2030 says:

      I don’t expect that a woman will have sex with me on a first meeting so a woman should not expect that I will pay them for a first meeting. But, like others I am happy to provide a nominal sum to cover gas/cab fare/parking and such.

  66. Riviera says:

    Why do people constantly equate an intimate arrangement with escorting or prostitution? Did you know a Dutch window girl in De Wallen can see 10000 guys a year? I would imagine an escort is seeing 30 guys a week or more if FT. I certainly wouldn’t want to be the 30th guy in De Wallen or the fifth guy of a professional escort. If you google you even hear of high class hookers having sperm in their hair from a previous client. Now how is this relevant to a one to one relationship that is the courtesan or Gigi or Breakfast at Tiffany’s fame? And when there are amateur pro’s on SA they want more than a stunning drop dead gorgeous escort? House wives wanting 1k a night. I want a long term arrangement, I will consider PPM but it’s not ideal. My previous arrangements lasted two years. My final point – Professional sex workers are conservative, they will tell you to get a wife or girlfriend even for normal stuff. If your’e blowing 10000 guys a year what do you expect? Why do some women say you need a hooker for a genuine girlfriend experience?

  67. flyr says:

    I think it is important to respect the integrity of those who want $500 to meet for coffee.

    I understand you feel I should pay $500 for the value of your time to meet for coffee and as an expression of my sincere interest in an arrangement . i’m fine with that……….. with a slight amendment. We’ll meet in front of the Starbucks and flip a coin , heads we go in and have coffee and I’ll give you $500 as evidence of my sincerity……… tails we’ll drive over to my place and have sex for an hour to demonstrate your sincerity , If we are getting along we’ll go for cocktails or coffee and your envelope will be delivered.

  68. Anonymous says:

    I see that my morning post about declining to pay $50-$100 for a coffee meet-and-greet kept everyone busy all day.

    Thanks for the discussion, and the helpful responses.

    I can certainly AFFORD it; as some have posted, yes it’s the principle. I get no “value” out of a coffee date other that figuring out if it’s worthwhile pursuing something more extensive. Some of you are right – she asked for it in the “I’ve met losers in the past so now I want $ up front” context. She did not meet ME in the past. If we hit it off, she will be well compensated if we pursue. If we don’t hit it off . . . I find no need to pay a ‘consolation prize.’

    • Anonymous says:

      . . . and I will add that, in my mind, the entire “value” to the POT SB should be potentially finding a good situation. If she has been ‘burned’ that many times in the past that it no longer makes sense for her to do meet-and-greets, IMHO she is doing something wrong and/or should just give up.

      It’s obviously her prerogative to ask for a gift for a coffee date. If some men are fine with it, so be it. But I’m not, and I reject the notion that there is some “rule” that I should be.

  69. Anonymous says:

    “@Kore13: The same way there should be nothing wrong with a man asking for sex without caring about your personality?”

    @Jay,

    @Kore13 gets random attacks of PMS…she’d be talking sense, and then all of a sudden BAM!!! she would writing nonsense. It is what it is. 😉

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I’ve noticed,but I think you have it backwards… talking nonsense then all of a sudden Bamm something that makes sense :-))

    • Anonymous says:

      I stand corrected.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anon If you approach a girl with this attitude, it’s not altogether unimaginable that she asks you to pay for a first meet.

        @Jay Yes, trying to work against the bad image that shallow, self-entitled girls are making of my gender is full of nonsense.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        1) How exactly are you working againist that image?
        2) If you’re not a shallow self entitled member of your gender being yourself should be sufficient.

      • Kore13 says:

        Practically by sharing my opinions in text here because people don’t read minds. I am being myself when I actively put effort into showing people that I don’t support unfair treatment (especially from women towards men, as it is more often the case).

  70. Anonymous says:

    @John Smith

    “Models?/ you mean hookers, right? LOL”

    Most women think that they are models for designer labels. That’s why they want to someone to buy the labels for them so that they may model in them. 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous

      “bunch of cheapass fcktard SDs on here –”

      Exactly…don’t even worry about the pretend, loser SDs on the blog. Stay positive…

      The real SDs on the site are generous beyond limits. $200-$500 per platonic meetings are the norm, not exception, here.

      • Riviera says:

        propaganda

        noun
        1.
        information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

      • DontlikeSDterm says:

        Absolutely .. definitely boatloads of guys wanting to pay lots of money for platonic meetings. After all, I couldn’t possibly know 10 or more single female college professors or professionals who I don’t want to date but can have far more interesting conversations over dinner.

        If you want a quality experience with a quality guy, focus on those common interests, and email back and forth a couple of times to get a better feel for lifestyle and interests. On the other hand, if you want to want to go through a lot of guys, focus on the money first.

        By trying to get money for a platonic up front meeting, you’ve alienated a lot of guys. My sense is that alienated group is far more likely to be stable, outgoing, and wealthy than the guy rolling up with a wad of bills driving a leased Lexus.

      • Anonymous says:

        the cheap men are fairly entertaining complaining about $50 or $100, aren’t they? they are probably the types who can only can barely afford $500 a month or a little more for an allowance. you allow us to have a good laugh fellas and we do thank you for that ! LoL

      • Riviera says:

        @Anon “the cheap men are fairly entertaining complaining about $50 or $100, aren’t they? they are probably the types who can only can barely afford $500 a month or a little more for an allowance”

        I haven’t hidden my profile. Let’s see yours?…

      • Riviera says:

        Put up or SHUT UP!…

      • DontlikeSDterm says:

        You’re right … 500 a month is just too much for me. I’m just trying to avoid a repeat of (a) calling the GM of the hotel in Geneve/Genf/Geneva while I’m in meetings to complain that the suite they had upgraded me to wasn’t the best in the hotel or (b) telling the FA in business class on a flight to Europe that next time we’ll fly private …. (different women by the way).

        So yes … this fella with an income in the high six figures won’t give $50 for a platonic dinner meeting but will pay grad school tuition without being asked.

        Keep chasing dimes …

      • Anonymous says:

        What happy guys bitching on and on about such positive things on a Saturday evening 😉 Says a lot without saying it LOL!

      • Riviera says:

        It’s Saturday at 2.28am. What should I be doing?

      • Anonymous says:

        Friday evening for the ugly Americans. 😉

      • DontlikeSDterm says:

        Well for some of us out there making the money … we’re just finishing work for the day. A lot of the world doesn’t stop at 4:30 in NYC or London.

      • Anonymous says:

        Do not lie. Men cannot blog and work at the same time. Men cannot multi-task!

    • Anonymous says:

      Thanks for the information! I had a feeling the sincere SD’s are sometimes sending or giving gifts for the first meet dates but thought I was only lucky. I have gotten similar amounts 400-1,000$ and more, or really nice gifts for a first meet as well. And the guys offered – I did not ask.

  71. John Smith says:

    I like how all the girls I meet on here only want to be a sugar baby for a night or two. They get so boring after that. Little dirty things. lol

  72. noname says:

    jaybird i like your avatar

  73. Anonymous says:

    I am not sure why women demanding $500 to meet her in Starbucks is a problem. It is a free country, there is supply and demand. If there is a demand for an average looking women meeting in Starbucks, she can go on her dates and collect it. If all she gets, once she states that to a POT SD is a polite “it is…a joke, right?” she will get the message and either cancel or reevaluate.
    I also would like to get a big bonus in the end of the year, but simply demanding it from my boss is not going to make it happen.

    • rembodler says:

      It is just one extra item on the (+) and (-) list. If 9 out of 10 average looking women do not ask for 500$ to meet in Starbucks and one does because she is a strong independent woman and her time is valuable…
      She just helped you to narrow your list of 10 down to 9.

    • Kore13 says:

      The same way there should be nothing wrong with a man asking for sex without caring about your personality?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        WTF does that even mean or have to do with the other two comments?

      • rembodler says:

        @Kore
        That is up to you to decide and depends on many circumstances. For example, if her profile has words like companionship, friendship, arm candy etc. it is worth inquiring. She could be simply shy, extra careful or a waste of time. Some women have the delusion that SA is full of rich men willing to pay to look at her, as if she is a piece of art.
        However, to answer your question, it is supply and demand. If you have a dozen legitimate POT SDs to consider, you can ignore a few using any criteria you want to apply.

      • rembodler says:

        @Jay
        :-))). Thank you.

      • Kore13 says:

        I thought it was another elf-entitled female SB that most SDs seem to be turned off by. It’s called a mistake with a good reason to support it, @Jay. There’s no proof that anon is a male SD.

      • Kore13 says:

        @rembodler I get filter out what I want, but thanks for the tip anyway. It was a misunderstanding. ^^

    • FormerAnon says:

      I think there is a bit of confusion here.

      I do not generally see what I would call “complaining” about SBs asking for money up front I see a lot of SDs explaining why they choose to move on from that and why that will generally work against a SD that might be looking for a successful arrangement.

      And while the response back would be “a serious SD will surely see $200-$500 as inconsequential you are missing out on the idea that while the money might be inconsequential to a successful SD it is not the actual money and SD on here is having the issue with. As was explained it was the overall attitude of those asking for it and as I explained what I have seen it is SBs that have been very unsuccessful finding an arrangement or a SD that is not a flake and deciding the issue is not their screening methods, but instead it is the fact that they did not demand (an inconsequential amount no less) of money from a SD to start even deciding in an arrangement will work. Of course being completely oblivious to the fact that an inconsequential amount of money to a quality SD is probably also not a great deal of cash to a scammer looking to scam a SB and lead her on to get what they want “on the cheap”.

      There seems to be a concept (especially by the vocal obvious pros) that the SD should just roll over and pay that money even though they know they are most likely dealing with a SB that has poor screening methods and thus the likelihood of having an successful arrangement made with her is not high.

      Instead they prefer to try and spend their time making a successful arrangement with one of the fewer number of SBs that seem to understand that this site does not consist of “post pretty photos”, ask for money, list out things you want to have bought for you and wait for it all to roll in easy peasy.

      All the worse is the SB that wants “chemistry”, “nothing transactional”, and something that “feels right” and yet what sets the stage for THAT is “cash up front of forget about it”. That pretty much says all the other stuff is inconsequential for the most part and she is not willing to learn to properly screen, she has no idea what she actually wants or looks for in a SD (other than cash), and she has no clue how to find it. So paying her money to meet while she figures that out will generally be a low cost exercise in futility for the SD and thus it is easier for him to move on to the SBs that have learned to navigate the site to get what they are looking for while offering the same to a SD.

      No SD wants to be the testing board for a SB especially when you are not only covering the cost of the meal ect, but when you are putting out cash as well. All the more so when there are plenty of scammers on the SB side and if you let a SB think that getting cash up front, especially a nominal amount, signifies “not scammer” well you are probably just helping her get scammed bigger than a “time waste” at a dinner. It is better to proffer the advice of “properly screen and screen better and go back over why your screening failed in the past and learn from it” instead of simply asking for cash up front. And ignore the “pros” that tell you “you go girl get that money” “have him show you the money” because they are “pros” and they are looking for money not an arrangement especially a long term one with chemistry and mutual interest.

      • rembodler says:

        @FA
        I think your sermon will be list in the (largely) “I want it and I want it NOW!” crowd that is well represented here and on SA in general. You are trying to convince her that in the long term she will be better without having money in her hand right away.
        Maybe also try giving them investment advice?

      • rembodler says:

        * lost on

      • FormerAnon says:

        I understand most will ignore it like all other advice (and mentoring) they get, but if it helps one real SB well it was worth the minute or two to type it. Financial and Investment advice did not go over all that well either haha.

    • uboat509 says:

      A POT SB can as $500 per meet-and-greet for coffee, no problem with that. The question is really, is she actually making those dates. Is she getting men paying her that? Otherwise, what is the point of asking $500 or $2,0000 if she is not getting either one.

      For the SB who are more realistic about how these arrangements may work. I do not see a problem giving them $50-$100 per meet-and-greet to compensate mainly for her gas, and travel time, sometimes even a babysitter. I am not wealthy or even rich, but I understand that everything around us cost money, time is valuable, and I want to show the POT SB that I am serious about meeting someone for an arrangement.

      A seasoned used car salesman told me the following:
      The market establishes the price of how much can I sell a particular car in my lot. He can ask $80,000 for it. However, if after 90 days, people stopping by are just barely looking at the car, he is not making money out of it. It is just sitting there, in his lot, looking very pretty. He researches the Internet and that car is going for $25,000 at most. If he refuses to lower the price, then I think his probabilities of selling that car at that $80,000 price tag are slim.

  74. FlyBoy says:

    To all the manlets on the blog who keep on posting about what a nasty bunch women are; keep this in mind!

    Women are usually very nasty toward other women. So if all your experiences with them are negative, it can only mean that they view you as someone without any masculine traits. That is especially true here in the bowl where an SD is pre-selected in the mind of an SB as a rich and generous man, both of which are highly attractive masculine traits.

    So, either quit whining or leave no choice but to think you are him:

    []http://tinyurl.com/obyu9y5[]

    Cheers :)

    • Anonymous says:

      Thanks (Not!) for sharing your photo.

    • flyr says:

      Fly B has it right. With the incredible number of women on the site, if you are having consistently bad “luck” either you or your management of the selection process suck.

      There’s no entitlement to a great SB, regardless of the size of your wallet. Look at what Don Sterling got for something like $5 mil.

  75. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous

    “Too bad what you think should be is not what is actually happening. $200 to $500 for a coffee or platonic first meet date is not that uncommon.”

    Of course it is not that uncommon.

    ROTFLMAO!

    • John Smith says:

      What moron pays some ditzy un – employable soon to be stripper 200 for showing up for coffee? What a tool.

      • Anonymous says:

        It is sad most here appear to be frequenting hookers or ex-strippers from the site that they do not seem to respect. Or, women who are unemployable. That means there are many babies who are not educated or employable? That must be why the intelligent and employable SB’s look even better to real SD’s once they find one, so the legit SD’s I’ve met have been extremely kind and appreciative of me.

      • Riviera says:

        Most of the women in the UK are the desperate – in debt, barely making a living wage, wannabe wags and Instagram Princesses who don’t work, or messed up paranoid divorcees. The number of professionals and graduates is quite low, and the graduate’s are mainly of the platonic companionship variety…

    • Anonymous says:

      Hot women get handed over free money and gifts all the time. Sounds like a jealous woman posting nasty comments.

    • Anonymous says:

      being paid for a platonic first meet is NOT uncommon. Agree with whomever posted that. sounds like sour grapes or fake SDs here.

      • DontlikeSDterm says:

        I can’t say whether its common or not. Just not something I’m going to do and if you’re really looking for a successful, outgoing, normal guy to share fun and adventures with, getting paid upfront will knock out the majority of those guys.

        On the other hand, if you’re looking for a shy guy who isn’t experienced around women but who may happen to have money, it might work.

        Chasing dimes ….

      • Riviera says:

        Having sex for free on a first meet is now obligatory…

      • Anonymous says:

        It isn’t a game to be worked like you think- at least not in my case! I am talking about men gifting us presents or a monetary gift of gratitude after a first date. And without being asked.

        This has happened on almost every first SD date I have been on. But I am also very selective, so I am not out meeting loads of men to collect small change.

  76. Anonymous says:

    @Kore13

    “I can only understand this if she’s using you to get a free coffee or meal. I know many normal men who feel differently from you.”

    In 2015, with an armies of strong independent women crawling all over the western world, men “feel differently” because they know that women like to hoard their own money and use their pussy to get free money from random and not so random men.

    • Kore13 says:

      “use their pussy to get free money”

      Free money? Terrestrial fish? Black highlighter?..

      • Kore13 says:

        ‘Free money’ doesn’t exist. If a woman is sacrificing or putting effort into getting money, it’s not free, it’s an exchange. Whether this is with her pussy or her companionship doesn’t matter. She is willing to do something that she normally wouldn’t do to get money.

        The only free money in this world is the loose change you find on roads. Does this really need to be explained?

      • Riviera says:

        Yep, drinking a coffee and spouting garbage is just as hard as cleaning toilets, taking an elderly patient to the bathroom, or hard manual labour…

      • Kore13 says:

        @Riviera Obviously, there’s a difference between the type of work. I wasn’t supporting their self-entitlement approach, but I can imagine that for some, having sex with people you don’t wish to have sex in exchange for money is work.

      • Riviera says:

        But the discussion is paid M&G’s, not any subsequent transaction…
        Generally the things you discuss can be resolved via a WhatsApp or phone call. If you can’t tell someone is rude and clinical on the phone, well…

      • Kore13 says:

        I originally thought the problem was the SB asking last minute for a paid M&G. (From a previous post)

  77. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous

    “Also, if $50 is a significant amount of money to you, maybe you shouldn’t be sugar dating?”

    Models typically spend significant amount of time and money on getting their photographs taken and getting introduced to those who can put their career on some track.

    Avon or Tupperware ladies make upfront investments.

    Meeting broke guys does not bring any money either.

    The reason they ask for money of a guy is because they have NO respect for that specific person. That meeting is NOT going anywhere. Therefore it’s better to avoid it anyway.

  78. Anonymous says:

    @Kore13

    “@Anonymous I assumed that the main issue was the abrupt cancellation because the solution to your first-meet-pay is pretty simple – write it on your profile. Other than that, I don’t understand the point behind your post.”

    Your “understanding” of how women roll here is incorrect. As a matter of fact, you’re pretty clueless as to how to secure an SD of your liking. So keep your advice to yourself and concentrate on soaking in information.

    That said, women’s relationship advice to heterosexual men is useless and women’s relationship advice to heterosexual women is disastrous.

  79. Riviera says:

    Imagine having an income just from meeting guys at Starbucks for a Skinny Latte. I would top up an Oyster card or provide cab fare possibly.

    • SD says:

      Some girls extend the WYP model to M&Gs-and never have any plan to engage an SD in private. They must invest in the process -essentially a job interview. I don’t reimburse applicants to my business for applying for a job. Consider this -an SB applicant can easily be looking at an annual income of $12000 to infinity by making a great impression. They should approach it as such . That would be my 1st mentoring lesson.

    • Anonymous says:

      I don’t think an SB can make a decent living in my area doing coffee meet and greets – it would be futile.

      Also, if $50 is a significant amount of money to you, maybe you shouldn’t be sugar dating?

      • SD says:

        Typical shaming lingo dontcha think ? Nah,it’s just the principle of the thing-the attitude. Who gets paid for a job interview ? Some SDs might be desperate to nail some cute coed but most of us aren’t-especially with so many choices out there.

      • Anonymous says:

        Not shaming at all – if you feel ashamed, that is your problem, not mine. You are an allegedly wealthy person seeking to date young women that need financial assistance. To me, covering their costs to see you is the decent thing to do. If you feel otherwise, no problem we just have different operating modes.

      • DontlikeSDterm says:

        $50 isn’t a significant amount of money to me. It’s a principle issue — assuming everyone is local and have done some email exchanges to get a sense of compatibility, then we’re both investing time to make a good impression. That’s called an interview.

        Someone asking for money for a first meeting tells me a lot about the type of person they are –as the line goes — lose a dollar trying to chase a dime.

      • Anonymous says:

        We have different principles – happy hunting!

      • SD says:

        @Anon To me, covering their costs to see you is the decent thing to do.

        We aren’t talking about covering costs -we’re talking about a fee to meet . They are 2 entirely different things.

        If an SD is generous and wants to reward Sbs for meeting him -more power to him. I’m referring to SBs who demand it . SBs I have been interested in and lost my patronage because of that very issue are being penny wise/dollar foolish-another way to say what @DontLikeSD just said

      • DontlikeSDterm says:

        Definitely different principles. I’m looking for someone classy who is comfortable joining me on trips to Europe, the Caribbean, and Hawaii. You’re looking for someone willing to pay $50 to meet you at Starbucks.

        The person who doesn’t ask for money is likely focused on finding a great connection with someone with whom they can share fun adventures and probably get financial assistance with important things in their lives. The person who wants money to meet is looking for ratification. They probably have an Instagram account with lots of followers or a Tinder account with hundreds of matches.

        Everyone makes a significant investment in that first meeting.

      • FormerAnon says:

        The thing I see over and over with the ones that want money upfront is they say they “have been burned before” and so now they need money up front to “show you are real”

        My reaction to that is I did not burn you before so it is not up to me to make up for what others did.

        For every SB that has been “burned” I am sure there are just as many of not more SDs that have given token amounts, a prorated allowance, all of the allowance ect and been burned. Should those SDs ask for “play” to make sure she is real no of course not and personally I would “next” a SB that actually agreed to that even if it was in exchange for cash (that just says “pro”)

        The other very common and most important thing I find with the ones that want money up front and that have been “burned” before is that no matter what else they type what they really “say” is “it is pretty much all about the money and the more you flash money and make me think you have big money and you are offering big money the sooner I will travel far and wide to meet you”

        This of course is why they find they are getting burned so much because they are not intelligent enough or savvy enough to weed through the fakes, the players, the frauds, the 30,000aires and the general broke fools. They actually understand little about money, finances, what it takes to afford what they are asking for, how most with money (that are not on a reality show or soon to be broke) behave and thus they are easily duped by some chump with a fake rolex and a few hundreds fanned out on a bed and a leased car parked in the garage of a rental condo or at a fairly inexpensive “resort” location.

        They have little ability to ask the proper questions of the SD to see if what he has stated in the profile adds up and they have little ability to process what any provided photos show or to see the more subtle signs of being real VS a poseur.

        That alone is reason enough to move on down the road let alone the fact that many of them will take the $50 dollars, not make you holler and you will never hear from them again.

  80. Anonymous says:

    A POT SB and I were going to have coffee today, but it blew up because she wanted “something small – $50-100” for the coffee meet and greet. I politely pointed out that I could not see my way to gifting for the meeting that would determine if we’d go forward with an arrangement. (She is in her late 20’s, and it’s not for a babysitter or bus fare.)

    Is there any world where I made the wrong decision? I don’t THINK so.

    • Kore13 says:

      @anonymous. The only thing I think you could do better is ask earlier on whether she’s expecting something for the first meet.

      • Anonymous says:

        Advice from women about women is useless for the most part.

        If you ask, then most of them are going to wise up to the possibility, and will say yes. You NEVER ask up front. That shows how much of a wuss you are.

        You let her bring it up and do all the leg work to get herself free money. That said, if she does provide you good time, then you show magnanimity and compensate her for that good company, because you are someone who appreciates great entertainment; sexual or otherwise.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Advice from women about women = Useless
        Advice from women about men = Useless

        So… never ask women for advice?

      • Anonymous says:

        Of course you can ask women for advice with matters that does not involve men.

        That said, if she’s professionally trained in the subject matter and/or has repeatedly demonstrated her ability to provide good advice, then sure take her advice.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anonymous I assumed that the main issue was the abrupt cancellation because the solution to your first-meet-pay is pretty simple – write it on your profile. Other than that, I don’t understand the point behind your post.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Kore It was a rhetorical question. He was just sharing his experience, not looking for advice on how to handle the situation. He doesn’t pay for meet and greets.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Jay Yeah, I figured that out too late.

    • Anonymous says:

      If the candidate is sufficiently interesting as shown in the earlier email exchanges, perhaps invite her to a lunch date or dinner at a nice restaurant that she can rarely afford on her own. That would also gauge personality.

    • Anonymous says:

      Paying for just coffee meeting or even a meal is degrading for a normal man. These women are making $10-15 an hour, if that. So the most you should pay for such meetings should be based on $10-16/hour.

      These are the same women who may have a project or two sucking up their nipples as well as their rresources.

      Yes, if you’re awkward with meeting women, then yes you can pay a few women to build confidence. But if that’s not the case then don’t.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anonymous “Paying for just coffee meeting or even a meal is degrading for a normal man.”

        I can only understand this if she’s using you to get a free coffee or meal. I know many normal men who feel differently from you.

      • Anonymous says:

        Of course you do. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        Free coffee and a meal does not excite women here. They take it as a given. It is free coffee, meal, drinks PLUS free money they are after.

      • zito says:

        do you actually think most intelligent successful men give FREE money away to people?

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes if they are involved in charity and philanthropy. It can be self serving but I am going to guess that many here are not into either of those based on the negative and stingy comments, since it would involve more than simply giving money away but time and care towards others’ well-being. That seems to be lacking here based on a few comments.

      • Anonymous says:

        Too bad what you think should be is not what is actually happening. $200 to $500 for a coffee or platonic first meet date is not that uncommon.

      • Riviera says:

        Most philanthropy is just a tax write off, or a massaging of the ego…

      • Kore13 says:

        There’s no free money – you get something back from it. Even if it’s just a sense of having done something good out of chartiy, etc. If you demand something in return, it becomes an exchange.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anonymous “Paying for just coffee meeting or even a meal is degrading for a normal man.”

        I didn’t mean on SA. The way you put it, it sounded like you were generalizing. Outside of sugar, I’ve been lucky enough to have a few drinks and meals paid for.

        Other than that, in the SD’s position, I wouldn’t feel as insulted by being asked to pay for a first meet as I would be in wonder of her unashamed demand and illusions.

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      I tell the SB beforehand that I will compensate them for their expenses to meet me. I don’t tell them how much it will be. This has been anywhere from $20 to $100. The amount I give them is based on how far they have driven and how much time they spent with me. My current SB drove 1.5 hours to see me and we had a great dinner date. I gave her $100. If the SB ASKS for money before I offer, I next her. You have to do what is comfortable for you as well as gauge the supply-demand curve in your market. Some men take it as an ego-hit to compensate for a first date, but the money is almost meaningless to me and it means a lot to the SB.

      As a side note, if the SB shows up and doesn’t look reasonably close to her pictures, I don’t compensate because I am not rewarding bad behavior.

    • noname says:

      anonymous did she ask for the money before or during the meet

  81. Jiah L says:

    It’s so interesting to come on here and see what some of the men think about some of the SB profiles. I learn a bit from the blog and the comments lol

    • Riviera says:

      Are romance, chivalry et al found in materialistic mutually beneficial financial arrangements. I believed so in the early years. I am playing chess and plotting my moves ahead.

  82. Riviera says:

    They are finally removing the fake pics :-)

    • Anonymous says:

      Who is removing the fake pics? SA or women?

    • Anonymous says:

      A scammer contacted me last night. Claimed that she wanted to win a striptease competition, but wanted CC number to “verify age.” I told her that I would report her. She blocked me after cursing me. She unblocked me to let out more expletives. Then blocked me again.

      I cannot find her correspondence now to get the id to report her. What happened?

      • Cryptic says:

        I’ve had a number of these messages. I would guess she has sent the same message to others who have reported her and SA have deleted her account.

      • Anonymous says:

        These scams are more common on other sugar sites. You contact the beauty who offers all kind of sexual services and she directs you to a verification site-and of course -a credit card friendly one .

        Don’t threaten ,just report them.

  83. Anonymous says:

    If you’re sensitive a out how you should be asked for private photos then don’t have private photos. Email them to those who you have already communicated with and those you approve of.

    • Bartolo says:

      I agree. Putting “I am happy to share photos via email once we’ve established a little mutual interest” should work well for both SD’s and SB’s.

    • Anonymous says:

      Most private photos are pretty much the same as the public photos. Why on earth women have them? Because they like to play emotional hide and seek, and to have yet another reason to whine about men.

      • Elaine says:

        @Anon

        Maybe some women don’t want to share their identity with everybody?
        Because it is not only SDs who have something to loose in the real world.
        I know some of you will find it hard to believe, but some SBs DO have businesses and a carreer of their own, and don’t want public exposure on SA.

        Sure, if the pics are more or less the same and recognizable the public ones, it is completely clueless.

  84. Riviera says:

    Real offers only no fakes
    I am okay to make arrangements but will not include any sexual activity in favours, so if you are interested in anything sexual then dont message me, if you wanna get to know me and are interested in forming a sd/sb relationship then message me!

    Can you have fake SD’s for non mutually beneficial arrangements?

    • Cryptic says:

      Lol perhaps she’s worried a fake SD might make date with her and not pay for conversation?

      On that note if the SB’s were at least able to converse it might be almost plausible but most can’t even manage to write a message.

  85. Anonymous says:

    “lean, mean fucking machine”?

    Back in the day I could do 50-60 times a month due to quick refractory time but now 30 times is pushing it. 15-20 is comfortable pace and less than 10 is too little.

    I don’t know as to where it fits in the lean, mean fucking machine scheme of things, but I am comfortable with what I have got going. 😉

  86. Riviera says:

    “A grand a month and 500 upfront before anything happens”
    My response:1000.00 a month is fine, but no deposits, advances or amounts to prove I am genuine.
    “Were not looking for the same thing”

    • Sabrina321 says:

      So you wan her to give you sex to prove that shes real but you refuse to give any money to prove that your real. hypocrite

      • Another Anonymous says:

        @ Sabrina

        So $ 1,000 a month is no real money?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Where did he say he wanted her to give him sex to prove she’s real? All he said was he wouldn’t do any advances or deposits.

      • Anonymous says:

        The gaps in female “logic” are glaring. No wonder it’s so easy to drive men up the walls with such “logic”. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        @Sabrina

        You’re cute. With your attitude towards blowing his mind behind closed doors, I am sure you’ll do well. Don’t know about “Moderate” but you never know, right?

      • Riviera says:

        1000.00 GBP as an allowance, and the first thing that would happen would have been dinner. I took upfront as being in advance, and I believe I was right in my assumption.

      • anonymousSSSD says:

        @anonymous…I think we just caught a glimpse of Sabrina’s real attitude with that nasty comment on Riviera’s post. No thanks!

      • Anonymous says:

        @SSSD

        FWIW she doesn’t sound mean. If she were, she would have used asshole instead of hypocrite. 😉

      • Jaybird923 says:

        You guys saw the “blow his mind behind closed doors” but skipped right over the “I’ll let you give me a monthly allowance” part. Men… SMH

      • anonymousSSSD says:

        @Jay Haha! You’re right but in all honesty I didn’t read much past moderate. That’s when my interest started to wane.

      • Anonymous says:

        IMHO, Sabrina is just new to this. She will do fine with her promised eagerness behind doors (if delivered).

        Girls occasionally throw a tantrum to see what they can get away with you; you just have to shut her down in a diplomatic way, and she will be happier and more eager for you for passing her shit test.

        SSSD

      • Anonymous says:

        Men ignore a lot about women to get to that lovehole. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        No woman is perfect, nor any man. You just have to pick your battles.

        The objective in this game is getting to that “lovehole,” and keeping it for as long as it is desirable to you before you are bored of it. So give her pointers what she can do to keep you interested; give her warnings early before she crosses your lines. It’s just like teaching and managing children. They call them “babies” for a reason; human brains are not fully grown/mature until 25, and the most desirable girls are 18-25; you do the math.

    • Jeffret says:

      I have to agree with her, to make my SB feel safe I always give them a small token of my appreciation to show them that there is more what that came from. I would never give a women a full allowance maybe that is what Sabrina wants, but lets be real only idiots do that. Also stupid SB sleep with a man without any gift or part of allowance given.

      • Riviera says:

        You could end up being rinsed by someone that just does first platonic meets for cash, or getting to know you to string it out.

      • Jeffret says:

        The same thing can happen for a SB she can just be meeting alot of time waster. Im a gentleman I rather lose a couple of hundred dollar then to be a man that refuses to be generous before sex is in the picture. Thats not a SD thats a John. Also al of my arrangement have been successful,

      • Jeffret says:

        If a women wants money for dates theres “what’s your price” so no need to do platonic first meeting for cash on SA

      • Riviera says:

        What will she have lost in financial terms?

      • Riviera says:

        Of they few people I know who have gone there – females. They haven’t had any success. Maybe it’s another dud like SeekingFantasy from Brandon…

      • Jeffret says:

        Yes she will have lost money because time spent with me could have gone to working

      • Riviera says:

        What odd times do you meet potential SB’s?

      • Jeffret says:

        Odd times? mostly lunch or dinner. What city do you live in? I Los Angeles most people are not working the standard 9-5. My current SB works in PR and work weekends days and nights if they have a deadline. The time she spending with me is time she could spend getting overtime pay. Lets be honest most women here would not spend time with us if they wouldn’t be finically compensated.

      • Jeffret says:

        Let me guess you think al SB are gold diggers?

      • Riviera says:

        So American Jeff, there is a big world out there that is very different from your culture. Do you know why Greece is so much trouble? They work 35 hours a week and retire at 55…

        Sorry, I cannot explain where Greece is….

  87. Cryptic says:

    @southern it’s true there might be less drama with women who are older, I have found 25-30 provides better quality SB’s however given I am 42 now I have dated much younger without the sugar.

    So for me to pay a mid 30’s or older woman takes the fun out of it as I can easily date that age sugar free. I have been messaged by women older than me as well sometimes 10 plus years older and I just have to ask if they want a SD or a toy boy I won’t be both!

    There is an excitement in pursuing the 18-23 year olds even if they are largely flakes due to their age. Sugar is as much fantasy for the man as it is for the woman.

    • SB TVC15 says:

      “There is an excitement in pursuing the 18-23 year olds even if they are largely flakes due to their age.”

      Next time I see you complaining about flakery, I will remind you of this. 😀

  88. Anonymous says:

    The “fin dom” ads must be working. I LOL when I read a 20-something lecturing us men on what we are “supposed” to do; why I “should” be on SA:

    “I certainly am not an escort but have no time for broke time wasters. This isn’t a romance website this is SA.. You should be here for the same reasons as I.”

    “I do expect a substantial amount just to meet. This does not include sex and if you have to even ask such an inappropriate question then we are not a suitable match. Any genuine sugar daddy should have no issues with compensating me for my time on our first meeting, just to see if there is compatibility. You prove you’re who you say you are (a sugar daddy) and I prove to you that I’m the real girl in the pictures (not a catfish).”

    • Cryptic says:

      Fin Dommes rely on men who get off on submitting finically to a woman hence the shaming and tough talk.

      The fin domme above seems to have the right idea try and get a little from many rather than a lot from one.

      Of course she can do this as she isn’t planning on providing anything other than words.

      Again some kind of fee or restriction on females would reduce women playing lotto like this.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        Why would SA want to reduce its findommes if paypigs will buy memberships to get in touch with them?

      • Riviera says:

        Pay pigs are very rare, I imagine it’s people with mental health issues or embezzle money due to stress. I wouldn’t use my money lol…

    • Anonymous says:

      Fin Dom =wife

  89. Riviera says:

    Request to view your private photos – I hate receiving this as their first communication or in response to an email without any follow up to yours. Just
    Request to view your private photos. So rude and ill mannered.

    • Anonymous says:

      You have NO idea how many guys do this! And yes it is very annoying and ill mannered.

    • Anonymous says:

      well ,that is what the sign says “request to view” Why does that “push your button”?

      • Riviera says:

        Hi, how are you? Something witty if you have an engaging profile.
        It’s if its Princess, Me, Me, Me, and Princess. I don’t get beyond “Hi, how are you?”
        Response – Request to view your private photos
        When you do email them a month later saying, how is the search going. They strangely reply, not great lol 😉

      • Cryptic says:

        @anon if the request comes with a message that’s fine but if it’s just the request to see pics no other opening message that is the problem.

      • Cryptic says:

        I should also point out I have written on my profile to message me before just asking to see photos so if a SB doesn’t do that then I know she either hadn’t read or ignored my profile contents.

        Not a good start.

    • Cryptic says:

      I don’t like it either it’s lazy as well as rude especially in the part of the SB who is hoping to have access to my money.

      I just ignore them now.

    • Bartolo says:

      The same with me. If a POT SB does no more than request my photo, she gets nexted.

    • Anonymous says:

      I am ok with that. I let her look and try to engage her in the conversation, if I think it is just a naive “new” SB.
      Normally ppl who do that are either escorts or lazy professional SBs…but there are exceptions and they are worth pursuing even if they start awkwardly…

  90. Cryptic Anomaly says:

    @Kandy “The guys on this blog think the young women should be THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL they get to see their old man boobs and bald spots for $200 a pop.”

    The woman joins a Sugar site and says she wants/needs money. We are prepared to give her money, so yes of course we want her to appreciate that! If she doesn’t like the terms she can try her luck with someone else.

    Regardless of what SA like to make you think it’s not easy money for doing nothing. By the way most women on this site ruin their chances within the first 2-3 messages anyway and some in even less.

    • SB TVC15 says:

      Except you aren’t prepared to “give” her money. You’re prepared to make an exchange of money for her services. That’s fine, but expecting her to be unilaterally grateful for that exchange is a bit much.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ SB TVC 15

        No, not unilaterally grateful. The very term mutually beneficial says that. But to agree to an exchange and then to be resentful, that is a bit much. :-)

      • Cryptic says:

        @SB the big picture is attitude, no one wants to be around a self entitled arrogant person who expects you to serve them.

        So a woman who is appreciative and grateful makes for a nice experience. I’m not talking about her bowing down like a slave, just a simple thank you, a smile is nice. The physical affection should come about because we have chemistry and want the same things.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        “no one wants to be around a self entitled arrogant person who expects you to serve them.”

        I agree – the point I’m making is that it goes both ways.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Kandy “The guys on this blog think the young women should be THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL they get to see their old man boobs and bald spots for $200 a pop.”

      Kandy, I can’t let you go on this . GTF off this site if all you can do is denigrate the hand that feeds you. Go girl ! Go to Match and pair up with some age appropriate stud who will be glad to bang you for free(or not depending on how you look) You might even have to buy him dinner and a new copy of WarGame Red Dragon.

      And BTW, a lot of us old guys are lean mean fucking machines. maybe you could -or not -keep up .

      • Jaybird923 says:

        ” a lot of us old guys are lean mean fucking machines”

        Hmm, I could definitely use one of those… What year is this particular model? And how much will it cost me to get it home?
        :-))

      • Catcher 22 says:

        BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Best laugh of the week so far :-)

        I am sitting here wondering just where the EFF could I find the female version of that particular machine. Surely not on SA. In my area the SB pool is dominated by 18-22 year old coeds. Great eye candy. But lacking in life experience and substance.

  91. Anonymous says:

    Now it makes sense why/how those idiotic dom women have been coming from.

    FUCK YOU SA MARKETING TEAM.

    Here is their fucking pitch. The website has 3 MIL and the ad has 4 MIL

    “#1 Website in Financial Domination
    3 MIL PAY PIGS & PAY PETS. JOIN FOR FREE!”

    • Anonymous says:

      They have a right to be here as every other person with their various kinks and preferences. There is obviously a market for it and if it offends you then bypass their profile. Or, if you do not like it or agree with what is going on you can always leave the site.

    • Anonymous says:

      You seem to be reading comprehension challenged. SA is not marketing a subset of their membership to Fin Doms. They are claiming that there are 3-4 MILLION pay pigs and pay pet are on the site, and that a FinDom can waltz around demanding SDs to hand over their wallets.

      If SA was “fair and balanced” it would also advertise that it has 3-4 MILLION female sex slaves and male doms on the site. But it didn’t.

      • Anonymous says:

        I have not seen the actual ad but only what you posted. That is not how I interpreted it. It is common marketing practice to allude to that many numbers for your subset but to take it literally is a tad naive on your part.

      • Anonymous says:

        Someone needs a reality check if they think big business money makers care about being ‘fair and balanced’ lol.

  92. LosingMyMind says:

    So, anyway, what’s the best approach? Is there a formula? Is it like offer up out of the gates? Or after date 1? I guess I just thought this would be easier and less complicated but it’s been worse than normal dating.

    • Anonymous says:

      As long as SA continues to herd scores of “money for nothing” women onto their website, we will continue to face such problems. When they start inculcating “mutuality” of the arrangements, then it will become easier for both men and women.

    • flyr says:

      Is there a formula – not really but there are principles which seem to work

      Goals

      Criteria

      Resources

      Opportunities

      Strategy – using resources to maximize goal achievement

      marketing – conveying the opportunity /creating demand – motivating action

      self selecting – motivating the rejects to not participate

      handing negotiations to a win win conclusion

      consummating the relationship in a way which adds to it’s depth.

  93. Anonymous says:

    “IRL I get offers from men in their 20’s and 30’s, but I always turn them down because 90% of the time they have nothing to offer me but a big dick and I need more out of a relationship.”

    That’s the “rub” my dear. Pun intended. 😉

    Your situation is not too different from all the women out there. There are more men with dicks (of various sizes) than men with disposable income who are interested in spending their money on you.

    In the waiting game, men win. They can keep the money piling up in the bank while they keep rubbing one out until the right woman comes along. The only men who lose out are those who are impatient and ill informed about how women roll here and in general.

  94. John says:

    Why aren’t transsexuals, transgenders separately classified just like it is with weight and height and race, etc?

    • Anonymous says:

      There are not too many TS/TG people here. Even the Sugar Momma category is useless as there are very few SMs here.

    • SB TVC15 says:

      Because we are all supposed to pretend that a transsexual/transgender woman (or man) is exactly the same as a cis woman (or man).

    • Anonymous says:

      The purpose of this website is to gather a bunch of women of all ages and ethnicity by hooks and by crooks and then sell that data to horny–primarily White–men, who will spend $50-$70/month to try to hook up with those women. THAT’S IT.

      All the other variations are afterthought. The only time SA “caters” to those variations is when it feels that it has some marketing mileage to gain.

      Get used to it.

    • Bartolo says:

      There are extremely few TG/TS members. More an anomaly than anything else. I don’t know why it bothers people so much. Just move to the next profile. Live and let live.

      • Bill says:

        It is one thing when a TG says he is. Fine, whatever floats your boat.

        I found one on here that was pretending to be female. Fortunately, I was able to find his website where he was collecting money for his surgical procedures before I met him.

        It certainly bothers me if he is lying about what he is.

  95. SouthernSB says:

    Gentlemen,
    This is what happens when you try to get unappreciative “little girls” to do a woman’s job. Believe it, if you dated women a little closer to your ages all this shit with the ghosting and scamming and asking for platonic and ending up with escorts wouldn’t happen. I know when I was 20 I was a spoiled, little clothes obsessed, brat who was only interested in cute GI’s. There was no way I was going to date someone my stepdad’s age and I didn’t even like movie stars that age (with the exception of Sean Connery and Jeff Goldblum). I’m the same age as most of you gentlemen (and older than quite a few of you) and IRL I get offers from men in their 20’s and 30’s, but I always turn them down because 90% of the time they have nothing to offer me but a big dick and I need more out of a relationship. I’m here because SA use to be a clearinghouse of attractive intelligent successful men, who were looking for mutual good times and no ties, and that’s just what I was and still am looking for. Unfortunately I come in a 50 yr. old, African American package so I keep getting passed over for not being “Sugar”. Keep chasing the dream and maybe you’ll find that 40 yr. old in that 19 yr. old body, because from where I sit that’s what you all seem to want anyway.

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      The poofing and unreliability is not a function of age. It permeates all age ranges. The older women are a lot more likely to not look like their photos and have usually shaved anywhere from 5 to 15 years off of their real age.

      • Elaine says:

        @Bruce

        I think Southern has a point.

        The problems you describe with older women are much easier to avoid as the poofing and scamming from the younger ones. Just have a Skype videochat before meeting.
        And if you find her attractive and cannot tell her age after you have seen her, then does it really matter ?

        BTW I think women who think they can get away with shaving 15 years off, are complete idiots, not worth your time.

      • Bruce Wayne says:

        I agree that Southern has some good points. I would prefer to sugar date someone in their 30s. It was just extremely frustrating finding someone in their 30s that wasn’t a complete train wreck. I could be my demographics. I have a very mature late 20s SB that works just fine for me, but I “kicked a lot of tires” to find her.

    • Anonymous says:

      Unlike college students, older women ask for more money because they “need” more. Many expect a complete support.
      Also, I understand why a college student needs money, as they cannot have a full-time job. I came across some women in their 30s who want to supplement their income, but these are the minority. Most want a “full” ride.

    • Bill says:

      I don’t worry much about the scamming, escorts, and naivety because they can be filtered out. There are some very wonderful, smart, educated, ambitious young women here who are a delight to spend time with. They tend to be 19 to 27.

      As women get over 30, they tend to fall into two categories: Bitchy, demanding, and tons of baggage; or happily married and not looking. I did meet up with one woman who was 34 who had grown apart from her husband and they were splitting up. She had no interest in money, just NSA with someone more accomplished than the guy she “had” to marry when she was 19. Very pleasant woman, and I am sure that some guy will snap her up into marriage when she is ready again.

      So, I do NOT want a 40 year old in a 19 year old body. I want a 19 year old who has her act together; and there are plenty that do.

  96. Riviera says:

    OMG I just asked a Fun Dom why see joined SA, and she said Google pay pigs and…
    Seeking Arrangement
    #1 in Financial Dom. 100% Free!

    • Riviera says:

      Fin Dom, damn auto correction…

    • Riviera says:

      Financial Domination Site – 4 Million Pay Pigs & Pay Pets‎

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I saw the original ad for that on Instagram somewhere. At this point they don’t really care who’s on the site they just want to keep those ratios up.

        Especially since the CO-Eds they bamboozled into signing up by telling them there was free money for no sex on the website have figured out they were lied to and have started to spread the word through social media. Now they need a new source of women. They are still selling the no sex for money dream to the fin doms.

      • noname says:

        i googled pay pigs seeking arrangements and my profile poped up when i clicked on it so much for privacy

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        You can’t just google pay pig or fin dom…it is the combination of one of those with seeking arrangement that yields the results…so…you’re really seeing the power of SA’s SEO team because it’s the SA part of the search that brings the results.

        However…I do NOT see fin dom in the first results for the search…
        1. College Made Easy
        2. Calling Sugar Daddies and Sugar Mommies
        3. Sugar Daddy Dating with Seeking Arrangement
        4. non-SA fin dom site
        Five SB blog articles referencing fin dom with Brandon’s appearance on The View thrown in between.
        At the bottom of the search there’s an ad for SA as a place to find a fin dom outlet.

        I’m experiencing another round of the desperate in my searches…I’m NOT interested in seeing someone who can’t put gas in her car to drive 10-miles to meet me for coffee…I’m NOT interested in seeing someone who can’t keep an apartment because she spends too much already…those chicks already have one foot in the escort pool and I’m certainly not interested in the baggage and leverage fucking someone like that can bring to my life…

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @noname – if you wanted privacy, you shouldn’t have gone online…oh, and I hope you realize the disclaimer that you’re not to be used in marketing or research…doesn’t make a difference and just makes you look like an idiot.

    • noname says:

      riviera i don’t know about that google search but ive seen numoours blogs and messages that refer us as pay pigs instead of sugar daddies makes you want to quit instead of doing this stupid thing

      • noname says:

        onlinenewbie thanks for that i was just posting what i found im not worried about what people will find out about me on line i have nothing to hide unlike some on this site

    • Anonymous says:

      when I google either “pay pigs” or “fin dom” I don’t get SA as a result, either as an ad or just an organic result. Take screen shot, upload on tinypic and post the link. I want to know how you are getting it.

  97. noname says:

    who’s complaing about ladies wanting lots of money what we do complain about is getting something in return thats worth what were paying

  98. RemyRT says:

    Lot’s of complaining down here..
    I can’t imagine what you guys were looking for if you’re dissapointed in girls wanting a lot of money.
    I mean, for young beautiful students who have everything thing they want, except money.. this website is a very easy way to get spoiled. Why else would most of them date an older man they met online and not a college guy who isn’t just hoping for sex with a young model?
    I read something (a guy said): for girls being catcalled everywhere by unattractive men would be the same as ugly girls asking you for your money.

    Really, if you’re looking for an actual relationship on equal terms: go somewhere else.
    Girls on this site are looking for success and money and you’re going to be her mentor and spoiler in exchange of eyecandy on your arm.

    • FormerAnon says:

      I would like to welcome SAs newest soon to be unsuccessful SB to the fold!

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      No one is complaining about that, if you actually read the complaints you will see that we are sick of women who want all the benefits but don’t provide anything at all in return and are also without any charm.

      Simply put they are not up to the standards that they wish to aspire to.

      We are intelligent, successful, confident men, do you really think we are going to accept some kind of sub standard bimbo?

    • Bartolo says:

      Here:
      “I’m looking for adventure with minimal sexual activity, but that can be discussed. I’m looking for help to pay bills and college tuition, along with any gifts and treats you may want to pamper me with.”

      “I am in a loving, committed relationship with my boyfriend who is well aware that I am doing this. You must be okay with this.”

      You tell ME how this works.

    • Anonymous says:

      These girls you speak of are perfectly in their right to “want” it. But they ain’t gonna find it; they are delusional. Perhaps it’s not their fault. They don’t know any better. I see their profiles come and go all the time (I live in a city with LOTS of colleges and universities, and September brought in a whole new crop.)

      A few know what men really want, and a few actually want it too. I’ve slept with a few college cuties this fall. It has been mutually beneficial.

    • LosingMyMind says:

      FYI…not a complaint, but an observation. And for the record, if the girl has everything else but the money, therein lies the problem. The solution is to get a job (which maybe some girls view going out on dates as a job) vs expect things to be quick cash grabs. “Armcandy” isn’t enough if you ask me. If I go to dinner, I first want to enjoy the time with someone vs sit there and wonder/hope that everyone is looking at me with a “hot girl”….if the girl wants a “mentor”, then when she asks for help with her business, not showing up to meetings set for her, or not responding well to help provided with her “business” plan or using funds for business to buy on hats instead, there is the issue. And ok, sure, I’ll bite on the attractiveness item…maybe I am not attractive, but, the girl is supposed to put effort in, too. “Getting busy” after getting first allowance cash or buying her a video camera for a trip, with the only request being “send me some videos of how you use the…I’d love to see them” being treated with disappearance…just total lack of “mutual” interest and effort and close to stealing. The one-sided mindset message above is exactly the mindset that I’d imagine what most SDs are looking to avoid.

      • cryptic says:

        If all man wants is dates/dinner company etc than he could go out on first dates with random women he meets online or elsewhere. These dimwitted SB’s don’t get that, factor in an environment where brothels and escorts are legal and the SB really has to step up her game.

        If SA has taught me anything it’s that most women have no idea how to charm a man so they their bodies instead and than say Platonic Only.

      • cryptic says:

        * show their bodies

    • Anonymous says:

      Is De Wallen not working out for you?

      • Riviera says:

        That’s very cynical, but in the 90’s they were very hot. But a quick bang was never for me, so I was never tempted. Now they are rough trafficking victims, oh managed girls…

    • Anonymous says:

      @RemyRT

      Some girls maybe, but you’re not worth to be taken on as either eye candy or arm candy.

    • Riviera says:

      Only a loser would want to pay for arm candy, who is that desperate? I have plenty of hot female friends, I can enjoy time with. It’s just that I can’t **** them. No guy is looking to pay a girl for platonic companionship, it’s pie in the sky…

    • Bill says:

      You must be new. “Eyecandy on your arm.” It doesn’t work that way. If you want someone to pay you for your looks and being present, then try an advertising agency.

      No one says much about equal terms either.

    • Anonymous says:

      wanting a lot of money and getting it are two different things entirely .

    • Kandy says:

      The guys on this blog think the young women should be THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL they get to see their old man boobs and bald spots for $200 a pop.

      • ihf2030 says:

        Well, I don’t have a bald spot, nor do I have man boobs. And quality single Caucasian cats are in scare supply and high demand.

      • Anonymous says:

        A woman who is currently getting $150/pop should THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL, but the woman who is currently getting $250/pop does not need to. She can shoot for $300/pop or more. Does that make sense? 😉

      • Bruce Wayne says:

        I don’t have moobs or a baldspot nor do I provide my SB with $200 a pop. She gets the same amount each month regardless of how much we hangout or are intimate. I can’t be too horrendous – she initiates sex sometimes. Actions speak louder than words.

  99. LosingMyMind says:

    I’ve pretty much lost patience with this whole thing. Too many girls going ghost. Zero interest in meeting – clamoring about ‘what’s my allowance?’ before even committing to a dinner date. “My time is valuable” – yeah, so is mine. Finding someone where it seems fun to go out – next time, ‘yeah, I’ll buy you XYZ’ and then they go ghost – just a scam. Being upfront from day 1 in a profile about what you will offer vs. trying to be coy and take time to know someone. “Isn’t it cool we have a relationship without sex?” What??? Wait a second. I think a lot of girls come into this site with some form of built-in disrespect, even if it is subconscious. That is ‘well, the guy has to pay to get a girl, so he must be damaged goods’ or whatever it may be. I’ve thrown a bunch of money at this site and even more at girls and it’s always whiny, whiny and zero appreciation for the effort putting into the relationship (or the business). And, before you judge – I’m not ba looking, I am in shape, do great things and can easily afford and have offered a low to mid 4 figure monthly ‘allowance’. Maybe it being too local is a bad thing. Maybe I should find an SB from well out of town – offer to fly her here a couple of times a month for an awesome weekend. Who knows?

    • LosingMyMind says:

      Obviously, I am the common denominator here, so I’ll take the blame…hahaha. I guess I just thought it would be easier going down this path – and less complicated when it comes to the ‘games’ of relationships or what not. It really hasn’t worked out that way.

    • Anonymous says:

      I’ve had similar experiences, the women on here think it’s all about them, and they don’t pay to loin so it’s no big to them if they take weeks to respond which is another fail on their part.

      What you describe is common.

      • Cryptic anomaly says:

        The above anon was me, just wanted to add as well that a lot of women expect to be courted on top of getting allowances they just don’t get that the Sugar is supposed to fast track things it’s not a normal relationship.

    • Anonymous says:

      This site could have continued to remain without female as well as male games….as it was for the most part up until a couple of years ago.

      But some genius at SA decided to ramp up female signups by egging women on with nonsense.

      Now this site requires gaming women the same way you would game them elsewhere.

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      @LosingMyMind — finding an SB from out of town might be part of the solution. I have had similar issues as you — talk for a couple of weeks, and then when it comes time to meet — pooF! My SB lives about 1.5 hours away and is smoking hot, super sweet and lives up to her end of the deal enthusiastically. She didn’t want to see anyone local to her for fear of being seen together by someone she knows. Try an hour or two away — it might improve things, but don’t count on it.

  100. VitesseSD says:

    Can anyone explain to me why so many SBs go to such lengths to explain how busy they are in their profiles?

    Telling me you have 2 jobs and school fulltime along with a hobby of an armadillo and aardvark farm is just going to make me think the SB in question has zero time for a SD.

    What’s the logic?

    • Cryptic anomaly says:

      I’m glad their honest about it but it is a huge turn off makes me think that anytime with them will be rushed and yet they will still demand mega bucks.

    • Bartolo says:

      Many really are trying to make ends meet with two jobs, etc. Very common here where the cost of living is very high. I was emailing one POT for months, telling her that one date would bring her more than she earns in a week, but she still can’t take a day off w/o fear of losing her job so she doesn’t. I’ve moved on.

    • Anonymous says:

      The “logic” is to spend as little time with you as possible fir the sane amount of money.

  101. Riviera says:

    What’s the point of stating no time wasters? I feel like wasting their time, and a time waster will read it and say oh don’t mess with that one…

    • Cryptic says:

      Lol I feel the same way, same with “no sleazes / jerks etc” does a sleaze or jerk know they are one?

      And what’s a time waster anyway, I could have genuine intentions and still change my mind about you.

      • Riviera says:

        I wouldn’t say guys deliberately waste girls time, but after having found that putting all your eggs in one basket doesn’t work they are juggling five girls at once as 4 will either change their minds, get a better offer, or start adjusting the terms.

      • Anonymous says:

        The girls on here can be very unreliable and drop out without notice. Just had a SB fave me, I noticed I messaged her a month ago she still hasn’t responded but I’m on her fave list now lol

        Lost interest in it all to be honest.

  102. Cryptic says:

    @Elaine – I don’t think a fee for SB’s would keep the escorts away as the good escorts would make their money back. But it would make some of the time wasters think twice the ones who respond every couple of weeks or expect payment just to meet it would make a difference and in turn better quality SB’s would mean better SD’s.

    But I know SA have a mass marketing approach so it’s doomed to get worse.

    • Anonymous says:

      Charging a fee for SB’s may perversely discourage girls-next-door and thereby increase escort ratio. Escorts know advertising expense, the average girl next door doesn’t.

      One way to discourage noise-to-signal ratio might be a limit on how many SD’s a new SB can email in a week: say, only up to 10 different SD’s in any week on a free account (no limit on messages to the same SD’s). That will make them more aware of the opportunity that SA is providing them, and discourage escorts from mass marketing.

    • Bartolo says:

      There are plenty of pro’s who are Premium Members. It’s a good investment for them, apparently.

  103. Riviera says:

    Why is it that potential SB’s believe that true gentleman don’t want sex?

    • Cryptic says:

      Because they are princesses and princesses never have sex in their fave Disney cartoons.

      It is just a poor attempt at shaming and manipulation they don’t realise that we don’t give a shit.

    • Anonymous says:

      1. It’s a giant shit test to see if you can get past it. The world belongs to those who are bold. Eggs and uterus-maintenance are expensive; they don’t want to waste limited egg and uterus space supply on easily discouraged sperms.

      2. She has her face on the site by necessity (or her profile won’t get clicked), and she has to put in the no-sex line just in case she is recognized by colleagues or classmates;

      3. Why bother taking her to the woods? She is already lost in the woods! You are supposed to be this Ranger super-hero driving through in your a LandCruiser or LandRover with bazillions of projector lights:

      You: “Get in and get undressed!”
      Her: “I’m not that kind of girl . . . wink wink
      You: “Get in!”
      She gets in, undresses, and you fuck her good and hard, then drop her off back in civilization after bringing her out of the woods.

      Both live happily ever after: She is rescued from the woods, and you go back for another!

      You read the new Dickney story here first!

      SSSD

      • Riviera says:

        Technically golden showers isn’t sexual, do you think they will be offended if I enquire about this? 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        Save that question for the 3rd month if she is begging you to test her limits after you have already done all the multi-linguals in the first couple months.

  104. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous

    “I guess the only way to combat these morons is to agree to her terms and then drive her out into the woods and give her the put out or get out option lol”

    This is the dumbest way to get locked up for decades for rape and possibly for kidnapping and reckless endangerment.

    This is how a woman will do it. What follows is work of fiction for entertainment purposes and should not be construed as recipe for rape.

    Casually take her to a secluded location. Instigate a fight, like women do. You are so pissed that you offer her to take the car back as you cannot not be in the same enclosed space together. If she refuses to go without you because that would put you in harms way, you call quits and take her back. She is a good person with idiotic sugar expectations.

    If she accepts your offer to take the car, and put you in harms way, you continue your little game. Now turn the table on her, get upset on her willingness to harm you. Now put the noose on her neck and make her redeem herself from being a horrible person.

  105. Catcher 22 says:

    ALERT Guys! Act quickly on this one, or you will miss your GOLDEN opportunity:
    And the best part is, her expectation is HIGH! @Flyboy is probably already in the air and on his way to claim her.
    ***************************************************************************

    About Me:
    I love beauty and makeup and always ALWAYS look on point. love love shopping!!! love dining at the best restraunts. VIP in the clubs. Private jets. Designer everything. I love gold. I have very expensive taste. I am also very smart and have a lot of business goals for myself Definitely not a college student like most of the betches on here but working 24/7 and having 13 hour days:( I should not be working this much!!

    What I’m looking for:

    I think I deserve the very besttt because Im definitely worth it. Must be good-looking. Should be very classy and a true gentlemen. If your looking just for SEX do NOT talk to me. I will be the most genuine down to earth person you will meet on here. Please have at least a private picture. I’m not settling for less I want the best of the best! You must give me access to your photos or send me one through email first. ” The best things in life are free, the second best are very expensive”

    • Jaybird923 says:

      You left out some of the best parts. This is my favorite line lol

      “Cheap guys turn me off I need a baller and someone classy I’ve gone on dates with celebrity’s and really hot guys this just seems like an ideal relationship.. I’m attracted to hot, rich, muscular.”

    • Anonymous says:

      Send her prank messages.

    • FormerAnon says:

      That is a pretty old looking 24 those “13 hour days” are catching up to her. She looks 24 going on 34 and all downhill from there.

  106. Cryptic says:

    “What is the average cost per 1 hour session ? And if the answer is right, what is a plane ticket to down under ?”

    The cheapest I have seen is $220 the women are older and not great looking but make up for that in eagerness and doing things that others will charge extra for. It can vary in other places up to $350 an hour and then depending on what you want it will cost extra.

    There are also the $700-$1000 an hour escorts that have the heavily made up/photoshopped pictures they will do all kinds of things, some of which I had to Google and even then it seemed boring. They charge high fees to include all that but of course unless you actually want that it’s a waste.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I would like to know what you googled and found boring :-))

      • Cryptic says:

        Lol one woman listed something called “Italian” never heard of that and it turns out it is just dry jumping really, running the penis along the vagjnal lips without insertion.

      • zito says:

        as a man who is half italian…I find that highly offensive. ( wtf kind of sex act is that?. lol)

      • Cryptic says:

        Imagine going into an ice cream place and all you want is one flavour but they want you to buy them all at a higher rate. That is pretty much what I feel about the high price hookers. You can get cheaper ones that are better looking anyway.

      • Cryptic says:

        @Zito- exactly!!

      • Jaybird923 says:

        “The Italian” Maybe the platonic SBs can offer that as a compromise…

      • zito says:

        that isn’t a compromise…lol. thanks I will pass on the rubby no inserty thing

      • Cryptic says:

        A lot of them will charge you to go down on them as well which is a silly extra cost, charge extra for kissing again nice but I’m not paying for it.

        Quite happy with $220 an hour brothel actually the first woman I saw practically raped me she was so keen.

        I like my

    • Jaybird923 says:

      How isn’t that a compromise? She doesn’t have intercourse and you make penis to vagina contact = Mutually beneficial

  107. anonymousSSSD says:

    I’ve had several women msg me in the last few weeks from outside my area. First they show me their private pics then the msg me asking them to view their cam site and vote them up? Whatever the eff that means. I just laugh at them and block em.

    • anonymousSSSD says:

      One of wierdest sb profiles I’ve seen and very sad…There’s a 50 year old woman in my area whose overweight, not attractive, she’s ambulatory with a spinal injury and looking for an SD. WTF?

      • SD says:

        guess you can’t blame her for trying. If anybody needs help she probably does .

      • Kore13 says:

        @anonymousSSSD What if she had been pretty and average in weight? Would you have wanted something with her despite her health condition?

      • Elaine says:

        Oh God, please don’t tell Not SoFunDude you have found my profile!
        Wait no, …I don’t have a spinal injury!

        Just kidding, this is really very sad.
        Who gave her the idea she would find an SD in such conditions?

        If that was SA marketing credits, then I have to admit; they are geniuses!
        They are really able to sell fridges to Eskimo’s in that case!

      • anonymousSSSD says:

        Negative

      • Kore13 says:

        @anonymousSSSD A SD in a wheelchair showed interest in me. Obviously not within criticism by any means. Just wanted to know.

  108. Anonymous says:

    Funny post of the day

    “How do you plan on spoiling me ? ”

    ” I am looking for a shopping buddy. Or someone to help me pay for extra things such as clothes, lingerie, and other small things. I will also not entertain rude comments in any fashion. I am not seeking any sexual. Do not expect my mind to be changed.”

    I suppose she has gotten 1)lots of rude remarks, and 2) no takers

    What are they thinking ? I guess it is akin to playing the Lotto. Some people do win . They throw this shit out there and hope something sticks .

    • Anonymous says:

      I guess the only way to combat these morons is to agree to her terms and then drive her out into the woods and give her the put out or get out option lol

    • Cryptic says:

      Start charging women for memberships and see how many will still want to play lotto like this.

      • Bruce Wayne says:

        I agree. If they charged SBs $5 a month it would get rid of most of the tire kickers and scammers. It will never happen because SA likes to boast an 8:1 SB:SD ratio. In reality, it is more like 2:1 or even 1:1

      • Anonymous says:

        Amen brother. Unfortunately a lot of broke “collage” girls would not be signed up either. We need a continuing crop of nubile young lassies to satisfy old guys like me. The market place works. Them that gots gets

      • Bruce Wayne says:

        they can still give free accounts to the collage chics with an *.edu :)

        I agree though — there would be some legitimate SBs that would be eliminated because of that — not a perfect world

      • Elaine says:

        Just saw somewhere SA now states a 10:1 rate…
        Don’t know who they think they are fooling?

        But anyway, would a small monthly fee keep away the escorts and rinsers?

      • Reb. says:

        “But anyway, would a small monthly fee keep away the escorts and rinsers?”

        Doubtful. The pimps would just take the fee out of the potential $$ they make. Like it has been talked about in the past, the majority of the sugar babies are college students. Broke college students. They will not spend $60 a month for a subscription and Brandon knows that. That is why the site has been up for like a decade and never had a fee for women.

  109. Anonymous says:

    @Kore

    “Not surprised that you have to pay for sex.”

    I’m afraid some misunderstanding must have taken place. My original statement was “Most woman have some value in conventional employment, but nothing to offer men in personal relationships that are worth paying for.”

    That is a statement proven from statistical facts: half of marriages end in divorce, and of the remaining half (not yet divorced) 80-90%+ wives report they would not choose to marry the same men again if clock could be turned back. In other words, 90%+ marriages are not happy in the long run. The overwhelming majority of women (and men) disappoint their partners in the long run, even when no payment is involved. Since the average woman lives to her 80’s, the overwhelming majority of women are not in the 18-25/30 age group that the typical men fall in love with.

    As for “having to pay for sex,” no, that’s not the reason why I’m here. I’m willing to give a helping hand because:

    1. I want to be able to end the relationship with minimum hassles: paying while the relationship is ongoing instead of retroactively after it ends;

    2. I do not want to sleep with employees, tenants or bar sluts; these are the typical 20-something year old girls that a typical 40yo man runs across in real life;

    3. Money is an aphrodisiac, especially for a young woman in the early stages of nesting instincts in her 20’s. If money in this critical stage of her life helps her build a more productive life and achieve worthwhile life-time goals in the long run, so much the better.

    BTW, I don’t think having a latent disdain for potential client base is conducive to marketing, ability to retain a client or the practitioner’s own mental health.

    • Kore13 says:

      @Anon – I’ve been trying to explain this before about women: I’ve mentioned that (generalizing here) they tend to base their own success off of the SO’s successs… Where did you find this info? I’d like to look at the outliers. Even more I’d like to see a ‘market map’ in mate selection for women: Attraction / money earned. .. I have a feeling that these stats are based off of samples from within the U.S. (I have the impression that European women are more independent and don’t make ‘rash’ decisions as easily.)

      I think I understand now, the kind of value that you’re talking about.. I’d just recommend patience and perhaps looking geographically elsewhere for a potential mate if you’re going to give up on the girls where you live. I think it’s the local culture.

      Please excuse my rudeness from my previous posts.

  110. KennaKenna says:

    Hi guys… just popping in… Hope you guys had a great summer!

    • Kore13 says:

      @KennaKenna Thanks, you too! Nice body, by the way!

    • gentle soul says:

      Hi Kenna ,Hope you are doing well !

    • Elaine says:

      @Kenna

      I am here dear 😉
      How are you???

      Haven’t seen @Struggle for a while.
      @Josh has become one of the Anon’s
      @ONSD is not posting very regularly lately.
      @Kidding the same.
      And @Southern too, they just post now and then.

      @Lainey has fortunally left the building
      As seem to have some others.

      But we have some nice new bloggers instead :-)

    • Catcher 22 says:

      Hello @KennaKenna! It is really nice to hear from you. I really miss your posts.
      As you can probably observe, the blog quality has slid downhill the past several months. Most of the old regulars you inquired about do post occasionally.
      We rely on current regulars such as @Jaybird and @Zito to keep the blog from spiraling further into the lower depths.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Catcher Did you just pay me a compliment? Jaybird24/7? I’m kind of shocked… But thanks :-))

      • Catcher 22 says:

        @Jaybird. You are very welcome. I am surprised you are shocked. I don’t recall ever dissing you, other than in a playful manner. If I did, please accept my apology.

        I like your new gravatar :-)

      • Jaybird923 says:

        1) No apology necessary. You’ve never dissed me per se just a few comments about the frequency of my post in the beginning :-))
        2) And thank you. I change my gravatar every season… Today’s the start of fall

  111. Anonymous says:

    @Kore13

    “Us women are emotional, and one could think that this would make us more considerate/understanding – but not when it comes to the man. That’s taking their sucking up for granted.”

    Thanks for the kind acknowledgement. If more women were even remotely appreciative of how good they have in the western world, they would not have stress and other lifestyle symptoms that are closely linked to lack of sex drive for women.

    • Kore13 says:

      @Anon Sure, but I don’t think that it’s the economic weather of countries. I think it’s the culture. You can be rich and still know the value of money.

      As for the lack of sex drive.. I have the impression that women just don’t enjoy sex in general. They have it mainly because they want to show the partner how much he means to them. Another reason, I think, for why women are more selective.

      I would take stress into consideration if it really diminished the sex drive – meaning, she had a higher sex drive before having stress.

      • Anonymous says:

        For women sex is mean to an end and for men it is the end.

        For women sex is a vehicle and for men it is the destination.

        For women sex is a chore and for men it is a sport.

        The difference are stark and I am glad that you are OK with them. Many women claim that they enjoy as much quantity of sex as men do, but then they try to slip all kinds of preconditions that kill the possibility of the frequency of sex they claim to want.

      • SD says:

        Yep -sex is THE sticky wicket for sure . Kore,thanks for being frank about it . The thing is, women have to put out to open the bank account . Once ownership is established (marriage) ,then the preconditions start popping up

      • Kore13 says:

        @SD Once you get married? Are you telling me that they are that convincing?..

        There’s no need for thanks – I’m not being just honest, I am being fair according to my own morals.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anonymous – Ask questions in a not creepy way to find evidence of this. Like if they watch porn, the last time they were excited from looking at a man, etc.. Having sex often with men might have more to do with other factors than sex drive alone.

  112. AustinPhoto says:

    What is it with Platonic Princesses lately? That time of collage season or what?

    Example: “I have been on SA before but deleted my account because it seemed that 90% of the men here were very quickly looking for a physical relationship. I am not an escort and if that is more the experience that you desire, there are other more fitting websites for that.
    I am seeking a monthly allowance in exchange for my company, which I can assure you, is very exciting, titillating yet serene, and desirable.
    I am the epitome of a young woman, yet I’m told often that I am ‘wise beyond my years’. I love to play, laugh, and have fun, and if you’re looking for that kind of energy, you can guarantee that you’ll find it in me.”

    • Cryptic Anomaly says:

      It’s the SA marketing making them believe the men on here are stupid and rich. It’s also because women don’t have to pay to join so they can try their luck with shit like that.

      I saw one the other day where the SB was just offering to find you s SB and be your platonic friend.

      All scammers and rinsers.

    • Anonymous says:

      Most of these “platonic princesses” have boyfriends, fiances or husbands to bang…so they’re just looking for older fools to support them and their SOs.

    • Elaine says:

      But is not “very quickly looking for physical relationship” the same as “platonic”?
      Because she also mentions “to play” and “being very exciting company”.

      Either I read it wrong, as I am not an SD.
      Either her message is confusing.

      • Bruce Wayne says:

        Elaine — that is the tactic of rinsers/scammers — they make it nebulous about intimacy being an option. They string an SD along with hints of sex so they can rinse the SD for the maximum amount. Welcome to the world of an SD :)

      • Kore13 says:

        @Bruce I have a feeling that they are just super naiive! She’s apparently wise beyond her years, but she sounds like she’s just a tad wise beyond elementary school. That’s what I understand with, ‘to play.’ As for exciting.. Well, I guess you can be excited about money falling into your lap like cats are about falling leaves.

        All the SBs remind me of Eloi from The Time Machine.

      • Kore13 says:

        Almost all.*

      • Anonymous says:

        if I read anything that remotely says how great it would be to just be in their presence, i just stop reading, these type of sb’s are quickly gone, and soon replaced with others

      • noname says:

        can’t comment on that but as a SD we do have to learn to read between the lines were led to beleive there’s a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow but without any proof one exists if a profile is not offering what your looking for its best to move on there’s lots of ladies on this site to choose from no need to gamble

      • Elaine says:

        @Bruce

        Ah ok. Thanx for explaining.
        As I said I am not an SD so I am not experienced in reading between SB lines.
        My radar is more set on male scam tactics. 😉

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      Blame it on SA and Dr. Phil — evidently the last marketing stint on there had a few SBs who came on and claimed they were getting riches from lonely stupid wealthy men who didn’t want sex. Nice job SA!

      • Kore13 says:

        @Bruce I watched that video just before signing up. At least they didn’t edit out the crowd’s protest against the obnoxious one. It must make some SBs be more opinionated about sugar and give them a feel for what they’re after.

        Their target group in three main types from left to right:

        1 Lonely house wife
        2 In for the money
        3 Play innocent

    • Bill says:

      If a girl is cute, I will sometimes engage her to illuminate her foolishness.

      I will ask how it is going, and they will say they are not getting much interest. Then I will say, well your problem is the exclusion of a physical relationship. Ask, what makes you think anyone would want to waste their time and money with you? And I tell them that if I wanted to spend time platonically with a woman, I have a mother and sisters who would be happy to do that and they don’t ask for money. They think they are super to spend time with, but when compared to a woman in her 70s, a touch of reality sets in.

      • Anonymous says:

        I love the profiles of the sb who claims to have little time, 2 jobs, or school, yet they want a substantial allowance to maybe see you once a month….get real lol

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      plus I love it is how it is the SD that is on the wrong site, not the SB :)

    • FormerAnon says:

      I had seen that profile as well it is too bad because she is cute. It is interesting you made this post because after seeing that profile and several others I have noticed an increase in several things.

      1. The returning sugarbaby that was not successful in the past, but is giving it another try (perhaps because school just started back in many areas).

      2. The SB that gives the hint of the possibility of a physical relationship, but tries to also state more clearly that you should not EXPECT one. I know this is not a new thing, but they seem to have returned in droves lately. They say things like “love to play” and “we are both happy and pleased” and “know how to take care of my SD” then they also state that they are “not an escort”, “will not just be in an arrangement for sex” and “things will develop slowly at her pace”. They do not outright say “platonic only” and they definitely hint that physical COULD be possible, but don’t expect that and it will be on their terms.

      And to be clear I would never suggest that a SB have a physical arrangement if they did not want one or that a SB should just decide “well physical is how I will get the money I guess I will do it” if it would make them feel bad about themselves. But I would suggest that they are the ones on the wrong site and perhaps this is not for them and if they stay they have a LONG way to go to land a SD and a lot of freaks and geeks to weed through. I would also suggest they more clearly state their intentions of nothing physical (which of course defeats the purpose of many of those profiles which is to scam some cash on a few “dates” before she or the SD decides to move on).

      3. The SB that is not looking for anyone over 40 or 42yo. Again not new, but many more of them popping up. The SD should also be very in shape, attractive, young at heart (see drinking in the club to all hours and getting matching tattoos and taking her friends out with them probably including several broke dick guy friends of their girlfriends). As if a guy that is still doing that and that is extremely attractive to a SB looking for a substantial allowance and that can actually afford to pay one needs a SB. To him a SB is like a bar dragback that you hear from again and why would he do that? He wouldn’t.

      4. The 18-19yo very attractive SB that actually hints at physical and does not hint at non-physical. Again not a new phenomenon, but many more of them popping up all of the sudden (last few days) and all looking for “substantial” and a lot of “like to play”, “we are both happy” talk. Usually well above average in attractiveness as well.

      5. Here is one I have seen for a while now that makes me laugh. The SB that pretty much makes it seem as though they do not have much money, have never had much money and having money will be something new for them. But their photos are them in exotic places, clearly high end homes, sitting by residential pools that cost at least a couple of hundred thousand to build, sitting on residential decks or patios of homes that are well over a million in price, or looking out over expansive pieces of property that are valued in the several million dollar range. They also have photos with backgrounds that are clearly not the area they say they live and again in the higher end area of wherever they are. Also the real laugher (we had one pop into the blog recently) is the SB that is “traveling a lot” or “based out of” somewhere even though they also state that they have things going on in their life that prevent frequent travels to all of the various “lifestyles of the rich and famous” locations in the USA. They “spend time between” (list all the most expensive cities in the USA) and yet they are also “in school and a student”. And again they are also trying to make it sound as though they have never really had much of anything in life. This does not even include all of the “models”, but it often does go hand in hand with the “starting a business” or “just got my business off of the ground, but could use some help” types. Here is some help for you, stay in school, stop spending all of your money traveling around to expensive cities in the USA, stop pretending that you are going there for “business” (unless your “business is being a “pro”) and no no one with common sense believes you were there on “business” when all of your photos from that “business trip” are at the club late at night and out socializing. And again if you are struggling to start a business and short on cash if you actually have a business and want to be successful you will do what successful BUSINESS OWNERS do and you will catch the red eye flight in, stay somewhere inexpensive, eat inexpensively and GTFO back to your business home when the business is finished instead of not being able to resits the urge to “do a little clubbing and high end shopping and high end dining while you are here”. But of course most people with common sense find it questionable that you have an actual working business or that you were traveling to those places for business. Successful business people make sacrifices especially in the early years and they resist a lot of temptations in the process. This is part of the reason so many SDs roll their eyes when they hear the proverbial “mentor me to be successful at starting a business and being a successful business owner” especially from the SB profile that talks mostly about traveling a lot, shoes, handbags, spoiled, shopping and eating at all of the high end restaurants. The starting and running a business is just a 12 step program to Voilà SUCCESS!!!. I am pretty sure that “success” is sold on late night infomercials try that method first princess business magnet/titan.

      • SD says:

        “SB that is “traveling a lot” or “based out of” somewhere even though they also state that they have things going on in their life that prevent frequent travels to all of the various “lifestyles of the rich and famous” locations in the USA”

        They are Pros. I used to see escorts who traveled to certain cities ,rent a high end Hotel for a week, and service her client base. One favorite was an MBA working for a healthcare Corp as a VP and made $175K /year escorting. They charge $300 /hour -and some even more. This type of girl is on SA trying to fill out her book when she is on a “business trip” to that area–and business it is.

      • SD says:

        The “nothing physical” crowd are broke students who don’t want to have sex with old guys for money but –need the money none the less. Some will pop that cherry given a high enough provocation . They are banging college boys for free once they liquor up in the bar scene .

    • FormerAnon says:

      Yea I always think “pro” when I read that myself and I really almost did not make that comment because why help them not make it so obvious. The reality is though they will not change and some of them actually have it in their mind they are not “pros” they are just really successful SBs with a lot of SDs!

  113. Cryptic says:

    “When did prostitution become legal in Australia?”

    In my state it was 1984, it is very regulated and street walkers are illegal.

  114. Anonymous says:

    Check the prices in Bangladesh, India, Brazil and France-Cannes

    [http://tinyurl.com/nsjeb9o]

    • Anonymous says:

      Australia is nothing compared to China, Spain or Japan. It is surprising that Brazil is nowhere to be found?

      [http://tinyurl.com/ok6ee3p]

      • Kore13 says:

        “How much the prostitutes charge is often based upon the sex worker being a victim of human trafficking.”

        Keyword: Vitcim

  115. Anonymous says:

    Testing

  116. Anonymous says:

    I am now asking for nudes. I will let you know how this experiment goes. :)

  117. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous at 5:09 pm

    “LOL this blog is better than comedy hour.”

    What took you so long to give credit where it is due? 😉

  118. Benjamin Lud says:

    Alguien que hable español?

  119. Cryptic says:

    It’s actually ironic. Us women are emotional, and one could think that this would make us more considerate/understanding – but not when it comes to the man. That’s taking their sucking up for granted.

    @kore – women want to be as emotional as they like while expecting men to be stoic. Of course then they complain that men aren’t sensitive but what they really mean is men aren’t sensitive to their needs.

  120. Anonymous says:

    @Bill

    “Child support for one thing.” “It won’t cost that much, I will only ask for $1,000 a month. Wouldn’t it be great for you to have a little you?”

    She sounds cute. You should have gone for practice sessions. 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      Agree. And @Bill, while judges may not let you off on only $1000/mo, most judges in most states do stick to the “sentence guideline” at $2000/mo when no marriage is involved. Many celebrities have gotten that “sentence” despite their much higher incomes. While it’s not chump change, you may well get more in return than paying taxes to support her future children with some loser after you spurn her offer, or paying taxes to import muslims like the Europeans are doing after their reproduction rate collapsed. The world belongs to those who are bold! Her eggs are looking for sperms that have a drive to reproduce themselves, wherever they come from. You as a member of the high tax brackets will pay for it one way or another.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous at 5:17 pm

      That shit is super funny indeed. 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      have her sign a sperm donor agreement -then get screwing !

  121. Anonymous says:

    Margaret Atwood’s got it right: “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”

    When you get your knowledge from Tumblr you don’t know whose quote it is. 😉

  122. Anonymous says:

    “SBTVC think about the cause not just the effect.”

    Women who can keep cause and effect straight do well in hard sciences. The rest drop out or major in idiotic low-ppaying disciplines, complain about low pay for women, and look for benefactors using pussy for as long as they can.

    • Anonymous says:

      What a simple minded viewpoint. That sounds like someone who resents women for being spoilt by men if they choose. Plenty of men love taking care of women. It is like when I give gifts. I get more pleasure to give than to receive as the old saying goes. It gives them pleasure too. guys who resent women for it say things like this. Do not turn your sour grapes into whine.

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t allow me to distract you from giving away your hard earned money to useless women.

  123. Cryptic says:

    I just read an article about cleaners in NYC making $150k a year because there isn’t enough of them and they do lots of overtime. It made me wonder if SB’s care what the SD does for a living, does it diminish some of the glamour if the SD is a mechanic who owns his own garage or a truck driver etc?

    • SB TVC15 says:

      Not me, in fact I like blue collar guys, they tend to be more down to earth.

    • Anonymous says:

      Cleaners? Do you mean sanitation workers?

    • Anonymous says:

      Oh I get it. It’s a temporary situation with NYC’s refusal to hire more union member school janitors, who are having to put a lot of overtime. It’s a temporary situation so don’t expect many of them to turn SD.

      • Cryptic says:

        As in janitors we call them cleaners here.

        Yeah I figured it was a short lived problem but still an interesting question for the SB’s.

    • Anonymous says:

      I pay my house cleaner $60/hr. So if she can book the 2000-2500 hrs in a standard working year among all her clients, she can make $120-150k. Most house cleaners are women though, and the chemicals probably have adverse effect on her health and those of her children during pregnancy and breast feeding.

      • Anonymous says:

        Is suck and fuck included with this price?

      • Anonymous says:

        What an asshole comment.

      • Anonymous says:

        $60/hr for 1-2hrs a week or every other week is about normal for legit house cleaning in my area. The gardener/landscaper charges about the same for working outdoors. They indeed do a thorough job, often times with an assistant.

      • Anonymous says:

        Asshole is usually not involved. That may require higher sums…

        Mine was a dick comment instead. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        That really was not a funny or witty as you seem to think it was. We both agree you are a dick though. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        If having a dick make me a dick then yes I am a dick.

        Or maybe…

        I dick, therefore I am?

      • Anonymous says:

        If you want to be honest with yourself a limp dick might be a more appropriate description.

      • Kore13 says:

        Why was that assholeish? It’s the cleaner’s decision to quit work when she gets pregnant. Maybe the person hiring her can make her aware that it’s unhealthy, but you can’t do much more than that (except pay for her without her working).

      • Kore13 says:

        Or perhaps pay her the same amount without asking her to use chemicals/switch to safe cleaning detergents.

    • Kore13 says:

      @Cryptic It changes the dynamic without doubt. I won’t see him wear a suit that often and I won’t be able to admire him in the same way. But hard work is hard work and so I would turn a blind eye to this.

    • SouthernSB says:

      Nope because people like Jesse James and the guys on “Pimp my Ride” are mechanics. In the town I live in everybody is a mechanic. It just matters what kind of mechanic he is.

  124. Anonymous says:

    @Bill

    “Will you give me a baby? I never met anyone like you before.”

    It’s interesting how women talk. She knew that if she demanded money for next 18 years, it would not fly. But once she has the baby she can get the fucking State of California on your ass for the next 18 years.

    • Cryptic Anomaly says:

      When a woman asks a man for something, anything at all, Society expects that man to feel flattered and privileged that a woman is requesting something of him and will fulfill her commands.

      They have no clue at all.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        Quite the siege mentality you’ve got there, Cryptic.

      • Cryptic anomaly says:

        @SBTVC. The truth isn’t pretty but it’s still the truth.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        Exactly what someone with a siege mentality would say. 😉

      • Cryptic says:

        @SBTVC think about the cause not just the effect.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        Cryptic, I’m sure you guys meet lots of dopey women making outrageous requests, just like we women meet lots of dopey guys doing the same. I’m teasing you because of your assertion that “society” expects you to be flattered and hand over the goods.

      • Cryptic says:

        In my experience SBTV society does expect men to pander to women. I know women deal with a lot of losers as well but women have the advantage of being able to complain about it.

      • Cryptic says:

        Men are also expected to pay for everything then “suck it up” when it all goes wrong, then pay some more and then be all smiles about it.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        You don’t think men have the ability to complain? Have you ever read this blog?

        Also, if you want to play who-has-it-worse, Margaret Atwood’s got it right: “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”

        {http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com/}

      • Cryptic says:

        SBTV you know there is a blog called killallmen right? There are feminists who talk openly about putting men in concentration camps, there was a woman in the UK who wanted to discriminate against White straight men. Women are also very violent and lesbian relationships have s higher level of domestic violence than straight relationships.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        Yes, there’s lots of nasty rhetoric from man-haters, but that’s better than actual violence. And I did know there was a lot of lesbian domestic violence, but I would guess the death rate’s a lot lower. Couldn’t find any stats on that, though.

        Either way, something tells me you’d probably agree that being a jerk isn’t the exclusive purview of either sex.

      • Kore13 says:

        It’s ture. Men have to deal with a lot more emotional abuse than women. If a man dealt with problems the same way as a woman did, he wouldn’t be considered manly.

      • Kore13 says:

        It’s actually ironic. Us women are emotional, and one could think that this would make us more considerate/understanding – but not when it comes to the man. That’s taking their sucking up for granted.

      • Kore13 says:

        As for physical abuse; both man and woman are stupid and weak.

    • Anonymous says:

      “siege mentality”…hmmm I guess it is yet another term for those who suggest women to act like grown ups instead of retarded children.

      Men with non-siege mentality don’t give a shit what you think because they’re only interested in fuck-n-go so that state may clean up the mess they create. :(

      • SB TVC15 says:

        I read your last sentence four times and it still makes no sense.

      • Anonymous says:

        I guess you need to read it few more times. Or give up?

      • SB TVC15 says:

        Yeah, I gave up. Good advice though, thanks!

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @SB TVC15
        “Men with non-siege mentality don’t give a shit what you think because they’re only interested in fuck-n-go”

        Translation: They don’t care about what you think/personality because they don’t intend to stick around just sleep with you and disappear.

        “so that state may clean up the mess they create.”

        Translation: because they are most likely losers who won’t/can’t pay child support you’ll most likely end up on public assistance(welfare, food stamps, etc.)

      • Anonymous says:

        @Jay

        Thanks for helping idiotic women with reading comprehension lesson. 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      I don’t think a 19yo think like that in mate-selection. She’s probably just going by her instincts: genuine natural reaction when suddenly finding a male monkey with a new kind of shiny that she is not used to.

      For an average guy making $2k/mo after tax, $500/mo child support is a disaster;

      For someone making more than $20k/mo, a $2000/mo state mandate is quite affordable; most states cap at $2000/mo when no marriage is involved, paying more would be the result of the father’s voluntary contribution beyond maximum state mandate.

      That is not to say, any baby from any girl is worth $2k x 12 x 18 (more like 23 nowadays) = around $500,000; there is opportunity cost: the same resources may secure the cooperation of someone else who has the temperament to stay cooperative for longer.

    • Anonymous says:

      Who would want to have a baby with most of these men on here? Unless they are desperate gold-digging hos not many men are good breeding stock on this site. I want attractive children.

      • Anonymous says:

        Who? Those who are using the site as a dating site, instead of an escorting site. LOL. Most dating don’t lead to offsprings; however, having sex with someone for whom one does not feel the least bit attractive in terms of reproductive partnership, but purely for the money, well, there’s a word for that.

        BTW, obviously Bill was propositioned for reproductive partnership. Many a female posters also swooned over FunDude when he posted his shirtless photo the first time.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yeah keep telling yourself that women want to really have your kids. I stand my by my opinion. No good breeding stock here. Most women say crap like that for manipulation purposes but do not actually mean it, LOL.

      • IHF2030 says:

        I had a young woman on here email to say that she wanted me to “breed” her. There are some real weirdos on this site, I must say.

      • Anonymous says:

        That does not mean they are for serious! I’ve had a few guys beg to have my baby bc of my genetics. Even a few on this site who offered to pay a very large sum of money for that. There are many weirdos yes. But do not believe everything the weirdos say as fact. LOL

      • IHF2030 says:

        Well, I would certainly not want a woman from this site to have my child!

      • Anonymous says:

        Good. That means you were not one of the ones that offered to pay a large sum for this! LOL. I thought that was dumb too.

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t think women on this site are fundamentally different from women elsewhere. Do I want to have a baby with every woman I have sex with? Probably not, as I don’t have the time to raise multiple dozens of babies by now. LOL. OTOH, if a woman is not good enough to be a mother of one of my children, I would not be interested in running the risk by having sex with her.

        Likewise, women who categorically exclude the possibility of reproductive partnership are automatically disqualified:

        1. I’m not interested in women not having the right equipment or hormonal balance;

        2. I’m not interested in being used to support her boyfriend, and become the 3rd wheel, a paying 3rd wheel, LOL;

        3. If the girl still categorically reject being your reproductive partner after “pair bonding” for a couple months, chances are that she is really not that into you. So why bother putting her through having to put up with you; time to trade in. Likewise, she probably wants to trade you in as well.

        4. Given the high turn-over potential mentioned in point #3, what are the chances you are the first time it’s happened? Girls who have lost the pair-bonding instinct are essentially pro’s. Why pay the price of admission multiple times the backpage price for the same exact item?

      • Bill says:

        That wasn’t the only time I’ve had women do that. It has happened more than once, but that was the funniest and relevant to the topic of women who send dirty pictures out of context. They are usually looking for IQ, except one Asian girl wanted mixed children, which surprisingly doesn’t require parents that are all that hot to get very nice looking offspring.

      • Anonymous says:

        Ha! That is the part where she ‘pretends’ to want your children so you think she is really into you. Men do it to us all the time as well.

        So you think women who do not really want to reproduce with you are ‘pros’? Maybe they are not ready for kids ‘yet’ or think you are too old to be a father. LOL this blog is better than comedy hour. Delusional men are everywhere even on an arrangement site! I know a couple of married couples who chose not to have children. I should run and tell the husband that he married a ‘pro’ straight away! LMFAO

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous at 5:09 pm

        You sure are a queen of logic. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        We can explain it but cannot make you understand it. Anything that annoys or hurts a man about the truth is considered illogical. the male ego is a previous delicate little thing. LOL!

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon 509

        Does the husband pay the wife a monthly allowance?

        Does the wife have sex with someone else?

        Does the wife turn up her nose to the husband and ask rhetorically “Who would want to have a child with you? You are delusional!”

        Who knows, perhaps your friends are all ex-pro’s carrying on their old trade in another form. LOL.

    • Kore13 says:

      It’s actually ironic. Us women are emotional, and one could think that this would make us more considerate/understanding – but not when it comes to the man. That’s taking their sucking up for granted.

    • Bill says:

      Funny you should say that. I said, ‘Uh, no.” Then she said, “Why not?” I said, “Child support for one thing.” “It won’t cost that much, I will only ask for $1,000 a month. Wouldn’t it be great for you to have a little you?” “No judge would allow me to get off with paying only $1,000 a month.”

  125. FunDude says:

    Not attactive.

    Not impressed ladies and gentlemen.

  126. Anonymous says:

    For most young people, bills are self inflicted.

    If you respect your parents and make yourself useful around the house, they may let you stay.

    Knock $500-$1500 off your rent bills. $200-$500 of your food bill. $30-$80 of your laundry bill. $30-$50 off of your phone bill. $300-$500 off of your health insurance bill and the list goes on and on. Add car expenses too.

    Above are just estimates. Don’t get hung up on the numbers used.

    But if you pulled “I am 18 and can do whatever the fuck I want” you will then have to fuck or scam strangers.

    • SouthernSB says:

      When I was in my 20’s I paid my mother rent and paid all my own long distance phone bills. I don’t remember how much rent was but I do remember that my long distance phone bills averaged about 75 dollars a month (I called my friends in OK. a lot). I also paid for all my own clothes and all my girly stuff. My parents stopped paying for us kids clothes and womanly wears once we turned 16, we were required to get jobs and pay for things ourselves. Anybody who told my parents they could do what they wanted were told to do it in their own place, but since my parents were so liberal most of the arguments was about the rent and the phone bills. Hell, I never complained about the rent though, because in the 80’s a loft in the Village went for 1,200 a month, and I didn’t have that kind of dough. So I payed rent happily, went to school, and even had money left over, but most parents weren’t mine and I can understand why some girls have to move out.

    • Anonymous says:

      Many young women are not fortunately enough to have parents with extra housing resources in nicer parts of the country/city/towns, where the jobs are. Many middle class parents are caring and protective of their daughters, but simply do not have the means to pay for a separate 1BR apt in a coastal metropolis for each of their children of adult age; the entry level pay rate for the young are quite sh*tty, and many college graduates have substantial monthly payment going towards student loans that had been taken out, once again because of the decline of middle class (parents) in the past four decades.

      More importantly, many higher quality SB’s are using sugar context for mate selection / proper dating. Sugar qualification is being used by girls themselves like how parents used to rationally pre-qualify suitors for their daughters. That is not a bad thing for either SD’s or SB’s.

      Fundamentally, there is also a difference in timing for the two genders: men can afford to wait and delay gratification, because the choices only get better if a man is able to build a successful career for himself. Biology drives women to nesting instinct in their 20’s. Those who can feather the bed get the eggs while fresh is probably better than letting the eggs age and dehydrate on the shelf at parents’ house.

      Without men, there wouldn’t be civilization; without women, men wouldn’t be driven to build civilization. Women’s desire for instant gratification (to some degree) may well be the driving force behind societal progress. A woman as wise with money as Suze Orman would not need a man. The real trick is finding the young woman with potential, taking advantage and rewarding her youth and reproductive potential (endowment from nature to a woman), then help her grow into a competent wise mature woman (refinement from human society).

      SSSD

    • Anonymous says:

      @SouthernSB

      Yes, it’s a good idea to make young men and women to work for living but, unless you happen to have an abusive household, such arrangements with parents are a lot more children-serving than having to struggle out in the “real” world.

      Don’t play “strong, independent” bullshit on your reasonably cooperative parent, and you can stretch your transition to adult life with relative ease.

    • Cryptic anomaly says:

      A recent pot SB I met was out here from the UK and had just lost her job she was freaking out about money. I had to bite my tongue but sometimes if you can’t afford something, like traveling for example you go without it rather than make yourself poorer to have it.

  127. Elaine says:

    Question to SDs:

    Yesterday I was showed some pictures and video’s send to an SD by “SBs” via SA.

    Call me old fashioned but I was in shock.
    Apart from the unsollicited nudes (he never asked for) there were close ups of wide spread pussies, p*rnographic video’s that would do well on P*rntube and more of such classy stuff.

    Is this really how SBs try to land a quality SD? Try to stand out? With nothing else to expose as a pussy?
    Or is it just escorts?
    Because in that case SA most be even fuller of them as I thought!

    He has had his profile up for 2 weeks only and has already received an impressive collection of p*rnographic material.
    Is it because he is young and hot, or is this just the usual stuff for SDs?

    • Bartolo says:

      That has not been my experience. There are a few like that . . . but even the pro’s tend to keep it classy. What were the ages of the women? I get the impression that such is more and more popular with the “Snapchat” generation.

      • Elaine says:

        Well, it was not always possible to see the age! 😉

        The ones where I have seen faces, I would estimate between 20 and 30?

      • SouthernSB says:

        Yup,that would be the IG And Tumblr bunch. You should see the crap that goes on over there. It’s downright disgusting.

    • Kore13 says:

      One of the first few SDs I contacted was an athlete. He was 26 and had a bare-chest profile picture. When I contacted him, his reply to me was,

      “I’ll start by saying that I don’t want to waste each other’s time, so here is basically what I can offer. I usually provide my girls with a credit card to start with, if you like me and would be up for meeting 2-3 times a month then it’s usually a 4k per month arrangement. So if you want to swap some nudes, email me and we can go from there :)”

      If there are other men like him, I’m not surprised that these girls are that ready to show something for a chance at SD money.

      • Elaine says:

        @Kore

        Yes, ok.
        But there is a big difference between a tastefully nude pic, or a wide legged full pussy close up! 😉

        And fact is that this person never asked for it, and doesn’t have anything in his profile indicating he is interested in that either.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Elaine You mentioned he was hot, young and I’m sure his financial stats are impressive as well. I think these girl have preconceived notions..

      • Anonymous says:

        Kore ,the Pot SD “said” he was all that. He was a scammer trying to get free porn from you . Some guys get off on seducing girls to send slutty photos . I have never gotten nude or porno pics from any SB in 15 yrs. But I haven’t demanded them either ,nor dangled a high payday(fake of course).

      • Anonymous says:

        What is a 26 yr old athlete doing in Sugar anyway ? That’s pretty suspicious . He should be easily picking up available lassies any and everywhere free of charge . There is no shortage of girls handing out free pussy. Even our resident 30 something yr old MD Fun Dude doesn’t pay for it .

      • Anonymous says:

        He is a poser, salt daddy trying to score naked pictures. Who in their right mind gives a credit card to someone they just met? Screams too good to be true.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anonymous I can only think of one valid reason – he is very selective with the naked bodies of women and wants to confirm before P4P.

        Yes, but it comes across as untrustworthy anyway.

      • Anonymous says:

        how is giving someone a credit card p4p – sounds like open checkbook not a limit on cost?

      • Anonymous says:

        sounds like a penniless, jobless fat slob sitting at home jerking off to dumb girls that fall for his bs

      • Kore13 says:

        The card probably has a limit and if he’s very rich (a football player, perhaps), then I don’t think it’s entirely impossible.

        @Elaine – I don’t ever send anyone nudes. :/

      • Anonymous says:

        Don’t be naive Kore . He’s not real

    • Cryptic anomaly says:

      A lot of them have and send porn type pics yes. I know I might be the odd one out here but if they are showing their wares to everyone than it loses its appeal for me and also robs me of the chance at discovering their bodies in person.

      A few blogs ago we had a discussion similar to this, at strip clubs for example I tend to find the female wait staff etc more appealing. I just have never been turned on by the slutty look.

      • Elaine says:

        @Cryptic

        Yes, I sometimes think you’re odd. 😉

        But not this time, because that was exactly what I was thinking too.
        What is left to discover?

        And how low must be your selfesteem to show this to every stranger?
        Because, c’mon, if you know you have something valuable to bring to the table, you are not going to send these kind of pics!

        To me it shows they think their pussy is the only value they have….So damn sad!
        And so unappealing, a person degrading herself to being “A Pussy”….
        Is there anything less appealing as a person without self esteem and self confidence?

      • Anonymous says:

        For most women, tight-ish pussy and healthy-ish womb is the best they offer to a man.

        Unless of course she has the feminist lingo go down…then she has a sharp-ish tongue too.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Elaine Yes, I don’t like it as well. I wonder if these are the same women who would complain that the men are only after their pussies/objectifying their bodies..

        I know that my own pictures weren’t the most covered up, but I thought that most SB pictures were like that and I wanted to avoid being the nun at the beach. 😛

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon5:36am,

        LOL. Most woman have some value in conventional employment, but nothing to offer men in personal relationships that are worth paying for. Those in a relatively narrow age group that do have tight-ish and fresh-looking pussy, plus healthy-ish womb (and can share them legally with an adult male) are still in the developmental stage for their conventional business world skills, so yes, the pussy and womb are the best they have to offer a man in a personal relationship, before their pussy/womb quality decline and other skills rise with time, and earning themselves high-rewarding conventional employment, hopefully.

      • gentle soul says:

        I’m with Cryptic on this one . If they are sending me smut then they are to everyone who asks . I like tastefully half naked pics ,but not 44DDs pouring out of a bathing suit band aid top. There needs to be enough exposure to see what you might be getting but no hooker chic .

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anonymous “nothing to offer men in personal relationships that are worth paying for”

        Not surprised that you have to pay for sex.

      • Cryptic anomaly says:

        @elaine the thing is one pussy tends to feel much the same regardless so a photo of one doesn’t mean a great deal, esp if they sending them out like spam.

        I think many of these women forget that they aren’t dealing with hormonal frat boys on here.

    • Anonymous says:

      That’s boring shit @Elaine. It’s yet another of your attempts to demonstrate that you have some kind of “standards”?

      If you have food on the table, roof over your head and a ride under your ass, don’t pull your “standards” nonsense on those women who have no clue how to deal with bills that keep pouring in…month after month after month.

      • Elaine says:

        @Kore

        It turned him off…
        And he was astonished, that is why he showed them to me.
        He has never contacted any of those girls back.

        @Anon
        It might be boring shit for you, we know already that your “Sugar” reality is very different from mine.
        But don’t give me shit like bills pouring in.
        Come on! There is other ways. Far more effective ones!

        There were some nice looking girls among them, but he would NEVER contact any of them back, just because of the slutty images.
        So it was contra productive as hell and bills will remain unpaid till they find some John to pump and dump them “pussies” for $200.

        But fortunally not all men on SA are looking for that @Anon, so enjoy those class acts if that’s what you desire.
        And BTW, don’t get me wrong, I am NOT COMPLAINING!
        In fact I am happy those girls being the competition. LOL 😉

        Would be more scared for SBs as @Lonely @Jay, @Kore and some others as competitors.

        Very funny the double standards about “standards”….
        When I post I am taking my allowance at the end of the month instead of upfront, or advice new SDs to never pay for a first meet, I don’t hear nobody complain about my boring “standards”?

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anonymous What is your idea of having standards, then? A self entitled salt baby who wants to get paid for presence alone?
        Or perhaps a virgin?.. I’m sure there are dating sites that cater to that. I don’t think you’ll have much luck here if you think that Elaine is an example of a girl without standards.
        I hope for your sake that you have a wallet thicker than your head.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore

        Once again you went into nonsensical assumptions. Oh so predictable. :(

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anonymous Good that your reply includes a clarification, then.

    • noname says:

      no elaine this is not normal escorts don’t send this kind of material but there is a small number of ladies that don’t want to meet a SD but still want a allowance so this is how they do it

    • Bill says:

      I’ve run across that, unsolicited and out of context nudes.

      I find the senders to be either hookers or horny, low class sluts.

      I decided to meet one, who was obviously not a hooker. I hadn’t said a word about her unsolicited photos. She wasn’t my type at all, but I had nothing else to do, so why not have entertainment at dinner. She was a 19 year old Latina from LA. Nice enough, very horny, not very smart (product of the California public education system). As we were finishing dinner, she said, “Will you give me a baby? I never met anyone like you before.” It went downhill from there.

    • VA Gent says:

      I’ve been using SA for years and have had a number several successful arrangements from weekend flings to on and off situations lasting 2+ years–I’ve had message/info exchanges with over a hundred ladies, have met dozens of POT SBs. In all this time I have only been sent (unsolicited) a handful of racy pics, mostly breasts, a couple of fannies, and one (tastefully shaded) pussy, but certainly no one gapping the pink.

  128. whatever i do , i do by my heart

  129. Riviera says:

    So many profiles state, “I wanted to be treated like a Princess”. Really? You want to be put up against a wall and shot? That’s what has happened to most Princesses in the last century, The former monarchies of Russia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Greece, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Italy, and Turkey. Even in folktales and literature they are poisoned, murdered, and cursed. So what’s this obsession with Princess’s?

    • Kore13 says:

      @Riviera That point is probably lost on princesses.

    • Cryptic anomaly says:

      They have been brought up on Disney fantasies even now that they are adults they still watch these cartoons.

      I was chatting with one of these princesses who was telling me about her love of Disney, she mentioned Beauty and the Beast as a joke I said I could be her Vincent, she had no idea the beast had a name and asked how I
      knew it as she knew I didn’t like Disney I told her it is a classic French novel, she had no clue.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Cryptic Yes, I think some girls set their self-worth on the man that they can get. A charming, handsome and successful man that feels no greater fulfillment than in loving her is probably what they feel makes them successful as a woman.

        The same way that some rich men might go for a pretty woman with an average personality than a an average woman with an exceptional personality.

      • SouthernSB says:

        And the sad part is that most of these “princesses” have have no idea what it takes to be a modern princess, or even a half decent woman for that matter. I know one of these so-called “princesses” personally and her life is a trainwreck. She can’t manage to keep a home, she doesn’t clean nor does she pay her rent, up until about 4 months ago she weighed close to 300 lbs. (she got the surgery so she weighs way less now). Her kids are on their way to getting expelled from first grade because of fighting, her cars keep getting repossessed because she keeps taking them to title pawns for cash for booze, but yeah, she’s a princess. A nacho eating, whiskey drinking, 250lb. Walmart shopping, Disney loving,
        NCIS watching princess, who honestly thinks that L.L. Cool J or Liam Neesom is going to walk up to the door of the house of the people who’s couch she is sleeping on and whisk her away from it all.

      • Kore13 says:

        @SouthernSB I feel sorry for her.. And also for her children. :/

    • SB TVC15 says:

      Kate Middleton isn’t doing too badly

    • Anonymous says:

      Smoke a bowl and relax!

  130. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I want the picture of Jordan posted…I NEVER clicked through the links to vote, thought it was a horrible idea…but…now I actually read the article and find out she’s in my state…I need to see who she is to see if this is legit, because I’ve been watching the profiles there for a while…I’m wondering if this is as “real” as some of the blank profiles!

    • Riviera says:

      And transgender? When are guys with dicks and boobs women? Can we have a TG choice? The only surprise I enjoy is a pair of 40GG naturals…

      • Cryptic anomaly says:

        I’ve always had a live and let live approach however that was before I was contacted by one. I asked them to point out the part in my profile that said I like males. Would be good to have category for them so those who are interested can select it and those of us who like women can make that clearer to them.

      • Riviera says:

        What would you say to a woman on SA who looks tranny-ish?

      • Anonymous says:

        Ignore if you are not into TG/TS.

      • Anonymous says:

        create a trannie site. I have to admit some of the ladyboys look mighty beautiful. I would like to explore a very feminine Asian “female” with a package to play with. Most TGirls look like Dick Butkas with a wig.

  131. Anonymous says:

    @Kore13

    “I’ve heard that being a mother is a full-time ‘job.’And just like any other job, you would probably have to compensate if you insisted that someone meet you during their work hours. For this reason.”

    Do you watch Oprah reruns a lot?

    • Kore13 says:

      @Anonymous No, in fact, besides movies, I am not into American television.

      I have spent about a month around a mother of two young children and I can imagine that leaving your first one year old baby with a sitter is probably not the easiest thing in the world. At least, not for a responsible mother.

      Perhaps I’ve used the wrong words to decribe this. But I’m glad you mentioned this – you’ve revealed that you know more about Oprah than I do.

  132. Kore13 says:

    This is annoying, but now I’m starting to think that other SDs might think similarly to him and not contact me for this reason.

    “i just read your profile and something disturbed me. and i figured out what it is: a smart girl who writes such a text doesn’t need to show how attractive she is in lingerie. the ones who get attracted by your body for sure don’t care about your brain. you’re super hot but i actually would rather spend time with the one who wrote the text.”

    Since when did being pretty mean that I have to be dumb?

    • zito says:

      Being pretty is great, but you better be smart to hang with most successful men, you were probably dealing with a man who does not get that pretty women CAN be smart

      • Kore13 says:

        @Zito That was my first thought as well. I told him I thought it was prejudiced and he seemed apologetic.

        @OnlineNewbieSD Yes, I think it’s exactly this. Cryptic also warned me about this in the very beginning, but I was lazy because Zito said he thought my pictues were nice! :)
        Thanks, Newbie. I guess I definitely will be taking new pictures tomorrow.

      • zito says:

        your pictures are nice as far as I am concerned

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        your best bet would be to make your current pics private…upload something a bit less risque and when you connect with someone, show them the sexy side 😉

      • Kore13 says:

        @Zito Thank you! If only all the other men felt the same way. 😉

        @OnlineNewbieSD – Yes, I just thought of that and already removed the more revealing ones and uploaded them to private. Thanks for the tip! :)

    • OnlineNewbieSD says:

      I don’t think that’s what he was saying at all @Zito…

      I think what he was trying to say…poorly…if you’re going to strut in the lingerie you’re trying to attract someone strictly for sex…your writing is trying to attract someone for intellect…

      This is two distinct fishing barrels on SA (IMHO)

      What he’s saying to her is more along the lines of, “listen I really would like to hang out and get to know the woman who wrote such a great profile…and you’re sexy as hell and I’d be eager to explore sexual chemistry between us…but…my experience with the “lingerie” crowd has more to do with escorts, not ambitious and intelligent women…so…let’s talk a bit more so I can determine if someone else wrote your profile or I’ve stumbled into the unicorn of SBs that understands how to be sexy AND smart all at once!”

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re attracting people who write as convoluted crap as you do. That’s all. 😉

  133. noname says:

    most ladies on this site are asking to get paid on the meet and greet i don’t know why but they are

    • Anonymous says:

      Because SA is filling their minds with such shit.

    • JustCurious says:

      So what would you think if you had talked to the girl, felt you really clicked, had agreed on an arrangement (allowance)and then she asks you in person if you would not mind paying for the sitter you arranged so you could get together..? (And you already know she has a 1 year old, you’ve discussed both your lives on the phone)xoxo

      • Elaine says:

        @JustCurious

        I think it would make a great impression if you would offer to reimburse costs she had to make for travelling to you, or babysitting.
        For you it is most probably small change, but for her it isn’t.
        BTW I am not talking mani and pedi costs as “preparation to the meet”!

        There is a difference between entitled “Princesses” who “deserve” to get money for their divine presence at the first meet. This should be simply an investment in time both make without any upfront expectations.

      • Sabrina321 says:

        Yes! If you want this to work longterm you both need to keep each other happy. In reusable ways like you paying for the baby sitter. If she will look elsewhere

      • zito says:

        I would not have an issue covering her sitter so she can meet up with me on a meet and greet, but no allowance, just the money for the sitter, less than $50

      • Kore13 says:

        @JustCurious It would be very polite of you and I’m guessing she isn’t asking without it being neccessary.

        I’ve heard that being a mother is a full-time ‘job.’And just like any other job, you would probably have to compensate if you insisted that someone meet you during their work hours. For this reason. 😉

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @JustCurious – if you’ve discussed her child before, her asking to have you cover that expense isn’t out of the question…if a SB drives to meet me for the first meet I will usually make sure she has gas covered…if she has kid(s) I’ll ask if she needs to get a sitter for our meet (if neither asked ahead of time, she may be uncomfortable asking and you should be ready for it anyways – I like @Zito’s $50 limit and have been ready with that before when I knew it was an issue)

        It’s the ones that don’t mention kids until you’re face to face that piss me off…

      • FormerAnon says:

        great profile Sabrina you are really cute too

      • noname says:

        JustCurious yes i would give her babysitting money even if she didn’t mention it before i carry some money with me when we meet in case she needs transportation money this shouldn’t be a deal breaker because were not talking a large sum of money

      • Bartolo says:

        While I do not “pay” for first dates, reimbursing the cost of a sitter, or an Uber to get there, would work for me. Some women are THAT broke that those expenses are significant. (I typically avoid women here who are that broke, as their need for the funds can signify other problematic issues.)

      • FatBstardSA says:

        I would never have to think about this situation since I don’t see the benefit in having a SB with a stretched out pussy.

        I am sure the other blog SB’s will have a different opinion.

      • Anonymous says:

        The problem with an SB with children ,is that baby sitter fees are already tacked on to the allowance,unless her Baby daddy or family will keep them for free. Say you want to give $250 /visit ,and see her 4x/month . Already her “cost” is up to $300. I’d rather spend all $300 on just her.

        Hence I shop in my local area for ladies with their own car and no child care costs for me to bear

      • Anonymous says:

        @FatBastardSA, what if you can gift babysitter money plus money to tighten my post baby pussy on the 1st meet? I can request the ‘enters as coal leaves as a diamond’ pussy package tightening if you want? 😉 You want diamond penis FatBastardSA?

    • zito says:

      I do not know about MOST, but as far as the blogging sd goes, we pretty much universally do not do this kind of thing

  134. Bruce Wayne says:

    I got called a “massagenist” today because I was unwilling to provide $200 for a meet and great. She is in medical school.

    • Anonymous says:

      “massagenist”, for real?

      Is she in THE medical school already, or just doing pre-med?

      If she is doing med school already, I want to get the nameof the school please so that iI may avoid their graduates.

      • Bruce Wayne says:

        yes for real. I had to laugh at the spelling. I am guessing she heard one of her girlfriends use the word.

        I am pretty certain she isn’t in medical school, but she might have heard of it.

      • Anonymous says:

        If any semi tricky word women need to know how to spell correctly is misogynist.

    • Anonymous says:

      You should have told her that you have nothing against massages at all, that would have confused the shit out of her.

    • DontlikeSDterm says:

      There does seem to be a lot of “pre-med” posters who list their occupation as medical assistant or CNA. Last I remember, the occupation for someone who is pre-med is “Biology Student.” Then again, a number of posters think of LMT or CNA programs as “Pre-Med,” which in a way, I suppose they are.

    • Anonymous says:

      That makes sense.

    • Anonymous says:

      well, therein lies the “Rub”

  135. eastern anonymous SD says:

    I am in a Mid Atlantic medium sized city with lots of local colleges-pussy is abundant. The KEY is the number of colleges/Universities in the area –therefore the number of broke young girls .

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      I won’t sugar date under 21, so that eliminates about half the coed profiles, but glad it is working for you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Correct. Many colleges and weak welfarel/church system. In my area there are fewer colleges and the United Way/church is VERY strong. No one needs to work if they don’t want to…hence sugar pussy is relatively nonexistent. :(

  136. Anonymous says:

    Hmm