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SeekingArrangement Party Recap – NYC 2015
  • Posted Jun 25, 2015

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Just a couple weeks ago, SeekingArrangement occupied New York City for the first annual  Sugar Baby Summit, followed by one of our luxurious masquerade parties. If you’ve ever been to one of these events, you know it’s not your average mixer.

This one in particular was unlike any before due to the amount of skilled and seasoned Sugar Babies in attendance, thanks to the Sugar Baby Summit that preceded. We threw the first ever conference for Sugar Babies by Sugar Babies. Over one hundred women and select men met at Rooftop 48 in Hell’s Kitchen for a variety of classes, including Sugar Funds Management, Sugar 101, and an expert panel featuring our Founder and CEO Brandon Wade.

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After these ladies took notes on how to succeed in the Sugar Bowl, they got ready for the soiree of the century at Stage 48, the lower level ballroom of the event space. With their new found mastery in the art of Sugar, the women took over the event gathering phone numbers and arrangement offers left and right.

Many of the Sugar Babies went home with new arrangements, in part thanks to what they learned at the Summit. For those of you who missed it, fear not! A virtual Summit will be available for purchase in the coming weeks, and free to those who bought tickets to the Summit. Be sure to keep an eye on the blog for up-to-date information.

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At the masquerade, we had over 300 Sugar Daddies and Babies in attendance. They enjoyed a flowing chocolate fountain, upscale hor d’oeuvres, and first class entertainment. After a stunning performance by a techno violinist, we aired a video toast by Mr. Brandon Wade himself.

We love throwing parties for our members, because the site wouldn’t be what it is today without all of you. Don’t worry if you missed this one, there will be another Summit and party around the corner. We’ll be back in NYC for the SeekingArrangement Party 2016!


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1,229 Responses to “SeekingArrangement Party Recap – NYC 2015”

  1. Kait says:

    Can you pleas do one of these parties in Virginia?

  2. Nayfah77 says:

    when is this coming to Atlanta or Seattle?
    when is the next event and where?
    how do i follow the event?

  3. WestIndian_beauty says:

    When is this coming to HOUSTON??

  4. 90sAva says:

    I wish I was in New York at this time. They should set up one in London, I would definitely turn up to an event like this in my city.

  5. Cintini says:

    Nothing is coming up in my “search”. Please advise…..

    Cintini

  6. Anonymous says:

    It will be interesting to see how much sugar will be flowing after the stock market crashes and America looks like Greece. Wonder how much sugar there is in Greece right now?

  7. ellen95 says:

    Are there any of these parties in London?

  8. Anonymous says:

    No party in Beijing of China

  9. oferujemy szka.Zabudowy szklane w Piotrkowie Trybunalskim gwarantuje wysokiej jakoci usugi szklarskie w przystpnych cenach.

  10. Eniko A says:

    You guys should have one in vegas seriously lol

  11. chocolate says:

    so what made all you want to join this site? just wondering!

  12. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Hippie – you just said you were appalled by the name calling, then call out all the “fake” SDs…do you see the issue with this?

    Okay, so YOU’RE not interested in $200 plus all the entertainment and possible gifts or shopping that a SD might want on a 4-hour date, but that doesn’t mean someone else might not be MORE THAN HAPPY with it, because SHE values the things and the company more than YOU.

    Listen, if you constantly compare your allowance (or, I’m guessing from your profile you do a lot of p2p meets rather than ongoing arrangements) to an hourly rate, you’re constantly comparing yourself to an escort, which is PROHIBITED on this site.

    There’s a reason you get guys offering you a couple hundred for a meet…it’s written in your profile…don’t hate on those who want more than an escort, and are willing to invest in the entertainment to weed out the SBs only interested in the wallet…I thought you said there was room for everyone?

  13. HippieMistress says:

    All the judging here is rather appalling. All the rules stating who is allowed to do what, all the name calling, all the negativity and put downs.. Aren’t we all mature adults looking for legitimate beneficial arrangements?

    Like seriously, SB can be any age, and can look however they please (hairstyle, makeup vs natural, thin vs thick… SD are all have different taste and if everyone looks and acts the same then what sets them apart…

    Then we have all the “fake” SD on here looking for cheap sex, (or 4 hour dates for 200$.. Trying to take advantage much? )
    Like who in their right mind would go on a ton of “free first” dates in hopes to find the one who’s really going to show the sugar!! Some people don’t have time for many dates a month, due to their real life jobs and schedules.. There are guys on here looking for just those first dates so they never pay an allowance but waste a lot of babies time. This isn’t cupid…

    Unbelievable. Times are changing ladies and gents.

    The best thing everyone here can do is stop judging everyone else though. It seems like every comment section for every blog post is a bunch of people arguing.. Wow

    I can’t help but laugh at all the closed minded people… wait never mind, I try to be mindful and live in the “NOW” and here I go getting wrapped up with useless drama. Going for a walk instead

  14. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I didn’t mean her profile should be copied by others…I meant her profile was a model of knowing what you’re looking for and writing to that market…she gets views, looks at those profiles and reaches out to the ones she wants…it’s a process, it’s work…and she’s working it to her advantage…the entire things should be a model for SBs to follow to meet their “perfect” opportunity…that’s what I meant by my reference…

    @Damn – even after looking at your pics, I had you pegged as mid to late 40s, that’s why I jumped to 45, then bumped up for the language used…it’s not bad, as I’ve said…I’ve had SBs older than myself, for extended periods…for me it’s all about connection though, a pretty face can help you get to the meet, but it takes a hell of a lot more than that to get in my wallet 😉

  15. Jaybird923 says:

    ok

  16. zito says:

    The vast majority of women under 25 are on here for shits and giggles, I think the majority of women over 25 are on here for some kind of support and a genuine connection

  17. lovelynyours says:

    Vixen, what gives you the impression that seeking fun, finding someone you might not otherwise find IRL locally, and covering what you’re asking is any different from the majority of SBs on this site? Am I missing something? I mean, I’m new, but I didn’t think I was THAT new. SDs, what’s been your experience in terms of why women are here? I don’t mean just based on profiles, but truly why they’re on this site. Because finding someone to have fun with who will cover a fraction of earning capacity sounds like the standard storyline for quality SBs. I don’t check out a lot of SBs, so I don’t know – I’m truly asking.

  18. zito says:

    @Damnvixen….I doubt that….I take care of my own shit…lol

  19. DamnVixen says:

    HA! – WOW – My ears should have been burning. Sorry I was gone, guys … I had a date with a POT. Tiny little town, but I still manage to do ok. (He was HOT too, WHEW! And perfectly content when I told him my real age. I got a “WOW” and gaping eyes.)

    @Cucumber – thanks so much!
    @OnlineNewbie – I didn’t care what age you thought I WAS, all I’d asked was what age you thought that I looked like.
    @Zito – thanks, you seem great. But if we dated, I’d end up the SugarMomma. 😉
    @Josh – thanks to you too

    @Jaybird923 – I agree with you that my profile is not a model for other SBs. It is entirely over-the-top sexual. (Because I an entirely-over-the-top sexual person.) Unlike many other SBs, I’m actually here for fun AND to meet a man of a caliber that I would NEVER find locally through the usual channels. I don’t have any “need” to be supported, but it would be sure has hell nice to have someone who can cover what I’m asking (which is a fraction of my earning capacity) – so that I can stop working and “play.”

  20. Jaybird923 says:

    “I HOPE there are other SBs on blog who look at her profile and see what it takes to get into the upper end of the Sugar Bowl…because she’s worked at it, it’s obvious, and it’s being recognized!”

    @Online I have to disagree. From her previous post:

    “100% of my experience here is that the “big fish” to “whales” here (good-looking, 50 and under, net worth of $50-100 mil) will view my profile and not message, I send them the invite to view my nude pics, I get a message saying we should meet. (I don’t have a perfect body, but it seems to attract the kind of men I want to attract.)”

    Her profile is not working for her but the nude pics are. And that’s fine if the end results are what she wants. Yes there are good points in her profile and I agree with some of her views but it’s overly sexual. I don’t think it should be emulated by others unless they plan to send nude pics also.

  21. Josh says:

    Who cares if she is older than 45. I am sticking to 38-43 as she has very nice body. 😉

  22. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – if she took my reference to 40 as a compliment, she’s not just 43…her language is a much older language in her described fields…
    Because of her language on profile and initial posts, I immediately jumped to at least 45 and split the difference between 45 and 50 because of her language about her age to reach 47 as my guess…

  23. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – I have no doubt about that…and, as I said, age is just a number…it’s about attraction initially and converting that attraction to a connection if you want longevity of arrangement and/or situation…I like her, a LOT, as you have mentioned, her perspective on organized religion is similar to mine…her perspective on sex in an arrangement and her openness to discuss and treat it for what it is is refreshing…I think it would be AMAZING to get a micro brew with her and share political experiences and entrepreneurial journeys…hell, she’d probably make for a great lover as well (but I have a policy against long distance arrangements and won’t mix intimacy with bloggies)…in fact, I’m near Beer City, U.S.A. with a bar that was listed as #2 or #3 in the COUNTRY by Beer Aficionado magazine for quality of draft and knowledge of staff (and they’ve got french fries they call “crack fries” they’re so damn delicious)…but…I also don’t want her to think I’m easy like that, because I was already further along in evaluation than the pics and the text…I hope she sticks around…I hope there is a chance we can grab that beer and share a story with a side hug and peck on the cheek (hahaha) some time…she’s got a great profile and having success in her target market…more power to her…I HOPE there are other SBs on blog who look at her profile and see what it takes to get into the upper end of the Sugar Bowl…because she’s worked at it, it’s obvious, and it’s being recognized!

    @Damn – I do enjoy your posts…don’t disappear…understand, I do like you!

  24. Josh says:

    @zito

    Her actual age and how old she looks are two entirely different things.

    • Bluemoon8 says:

      Age is a number, some people look like shit at 27 and some look amazing at 40 so forget about your math class when u looking for the right person

  25. zito says:

    Im bad at age guessing, and frankly couldnt care less her age…..she looks great to me….lol

  26. CucumberOnLids says:

    Damn Vixen looks lovely! I thought she was in her 20s.

  27. Josh says:

    I have not seen her private pix but my guess is that @DamnVixen is between 38 and 43. 😉

  28. zito says:

    Well @online…Idk if her age is correct on her profile, but I can tell you after seeing her private pics…i could care less how old she is…she is hot as hell…lol

  29. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Damn – you must have misunderstood my opinion on your age, see, I didn’t post an actual guess, because I feel asking or guessing a woman’s age is ungentlemanly…just the thought hurts my ear, as my grandma was fond of using it to guide me to more chivalrous ways during my formative years…

    My commentary was “closer to 40 than your profile age” which means anything over say 37 meant I was spot on…which allowed me to NOT reveal the truth behind my logic and actual numerical guess of 47 (damn, my ear hurts now)…

    But…none of that matters, because, you’re right…a man wants a woman who has taken care of her body and actually looks younger than her age (which you do)…trouble is, most women listen to women when they choose an age…most women are more focused on making each other feel better, so it’s usually much too low. If you had written differently, and used other language in your posts, I might have been fooled for 40, but I was being polite to a new poster so we could focus on being friends…

    Oh, and about the nude devaluing the person…Kate Upton’s over exposure has cost her…now she has to maintain that body when she’s exposed again…look at the checkout line, every rag cover has bad bikini bodies, celebrities looking horrible on a nude beach, etc…once you’ve been exposed you are continually held to THAT standard, so it DOES devalue YOU as a person and focuses attention on your body…and when all you’re selling is your body, it is tough to keep things at the top end of the sugar bowl, because there will always be someone younger, hotter, firmer, more submissive, more flexible, etc….the key is to capitalize on the time you can and build the network of those where there is a CONNECTION, rather than a purely physical lust…there are two lovers I’ve had in my past (both are older than me) that would have me in their bed in a heartbeat, with just a request…or have my wallet open in a heartbeat, with just a request (still to this day)…neither is the youngest, hottest, firmest, probably lost some flexibility, probably have others more submissive nowadays…but…the connection and trust is there…it probably ALWAYS will be…regardless of the look of the package…

  30. zito says:

    @Damvixen…I read your profile…very nice…I am exactly what youre looking for …except…Im not entirely tall….5’10″….I do love your take on organized religion as being morally hypocritical…..I usually just explain it as bullshit, with catholocism being hypocritical…but I am biased against catholics, being raised as one…lol

  31. RussianSB says:

    Hehehehe

  32. DamnVixen says:

    Jaybird923 says: Very interesting discussion. I have two question. Everyone feel free to respond. For the women that identify as feminist, Do you believe in traditional gender roles in marriages/relationships? Or do you believe everything from household chores,child rearing, and expenses should be be divided 50/50 amongst both parties? ….

    @Jaybird – Great topic. When I was younger and striving to be taken seriously in my career, I wanted to be the “equal” of my “mate.” I actually turned down the opportunity to date a billionaire, because of his machismo attitude. I have had two relationships where I was the “Alpha” – earning more and being the more dominant partner. It was awful. I have now concluded that I am happier as the submissive, feminine partner to a STRONG “HIGH-VALUE” MALE, and “taking care of him” (having breakfast ready for him when he wakes up, doing his chores, fulfilling every sexual need, etc.) – because I no longer have anything to “prove” and I am secure in my intelligence and value as a woman.

    ***It’s important to note, VERY few men bring out this “submissive” side of me, they must be EXCEPTIONAL. As far as the masses are concerned, they are my minions and serve me. 😉

  33. RussianSB says:

    member/ecc015f4/view
    That one contact me years ago with net worth 2mln, now – 50mln.
    Let’s congatulate hin, girls, to earn 48 so quickly !

  34. DamnVixen says:

    cryptic anomaly says: @Vixen – If a woman is showing it to everyone then it loses it’s value. Simple really.

    @Cryptic – I understand your mentality perfectly, it’s that nasty “Madonna/Whore Complex” rearing its head. Your primitive self is worried that your “offspring” might not be your own.

    Again – you aren’t “my type” and I am not yours. Your attitude isn’t shared by all men (especially in my target age range). I’d also like to point out, that simply being a “nudist” or “secure in my sexuality” does not equal promiscuity. The people who are permitted to view my private nude photos are a select few AND my photos do not include my face, so they are “discrete.” I’d also like to point out the number of women who are models and actresses who do LITERALLY show their nude bodies “to everyone” … and the vast majority of men who do NOT think that their bodies have lost their value as a result.

  35. zito says:

    I dont think any relationship should be difficult…if you have to work at it, it isnt worth it….getting along should never feel like work

  36. DamnVixen says:

    OnlineNewbieSD says: @Damn – good to hear you’re out of the publishing business for your experiences here…I’m not a “whale” or even a “mid fish” because I don’t sugar from assets, I sugar from cash flow…your naked pictures would do nothing to change my age guess for you…of course…your language doesn’t help that with comments like “EONS” and “VERY” when you describe your tenure as an attorney…I’ve lasted in my industry longer than 98% of those who would have a similar tenure, of course I could also say I’ve been on my own in my industry for longer than 98% of those who entered at the same time I broke off onto my own…but I’m only 40…REMEMBER…my guess was closer to 40 than your profile age…

    @Online – You assume that I’m trying to convince you that I’m younger, that wasn’t my intent. I can assure you, your assessment of my age being “40” is still an ENORMOUS compliment.

    My target dating range is 45-55 with 60 being my outer-limit if he’s in good shape, attractive, and highly-sexually-functioning.) You may be truthful on your profile about your age (40), but as men begin to reach 50, about half begin downwardly adjusting their age by 5-10 years. They do this on regular dating sites also. As soon as I begin “seriously” corresponding with a man, I tell him my actual age – and they are relieved rather than disappointed. They want a woman who LOOKS like she’s in her late 20’s early 30’s but who can connect to them like a woman in their own generation – actual age is inconsequential. (And if actual age is important to them, I do not waste their time. However, I haven’t had anyone yet “lose interest” after I tell them my actual age. Though I don’t discount that it might happen.)

  37. DamnVixen says:

    hototrot1 says:

    Hi! Welcome! Thanks for your input. I’m no Pollyanna, but I really like this guy….. In a way, he’s perfect SD. He has a life that he’s built that he doesn’t want to mess up. Well messing up would be detrimental- his wife is a matrimonial lawyer! An idyllic home life with kids and a dog in the burbs. And he’s already asked me what I want, so there’s no wrangling about $$$ or anything. Bird nest on the ground as they say…BUT…it would be all cool if I just wanted money. Took me sometime to really think about things and perhaps I’m starting to want more than this SB/SD bit. It’s been fun, definitely helped me to clarify my life. Maybe it was my recent birthday that did this to me. Oh well, I’m not going to over analyze it!

    @hototrot1 – Thanks for the welcome! Nice to meet you. I enjoy reading everyone’s experience and advice since I am new to this site – though a weathered veteran when it comes to online dating and male/female relationships.

    Here’s the thing … we women are hard-wired (by of a trick of biology/neurochemistry) to “fall in love” or form attachments to men, simply by having sex with them. Oxytocin is a tricky bitch. As well, we naturally seek to “pair-bond” with men who appear to be able to offer security. So you see this man who has all these traits you find attractive … you want him for your own.

    NOW … this is NOT intended as an insult to you … but (most) men are hard-wired to seek “low investment” sex with as many “attractive” prospects as possible. They will “lower their standards” for “low investment sex” … so just because he is willing to be lovers, doesn’t necessarily mean that he will view that woman as “marriage material.”

    The SD/SB relationship gives a woman the opportunity to meet and form “relationships” with men they might never get the chance at “in real life” … but you can’t ever lose sight of the fact that a woman he would consider a perfect SB isn’t necessarily a woman he would consider as a wife.

    I’m reasonably sure I have more than a decade of “traditional” dating/relationship experience than you do … and it’s a tough world out there … your “marriage material” is probably going to be a much lower quality man. And that is EXACTLY the reason why I shut down my regular dating website accounts and decided to stay here – I’d rather have the limited access to a better quality man than the “security” of a lower quality one.

  38. DamnVixen says:

    Josh says: Why did you guess that I would “lecture” you about this topic instead of many other? Are you member of and/or supporter of NOW?

    @Josh – Just because that seems to be the pattern here. I’m not a member of NOW. I’m neither or supporter or critic of the organization. In college I worked in the state legislature – later dated a US Congressman – saw how the sausage was made (as they say) – and am jaded now. As for NOW’s agenda: I support women’s rights to birth control, abortion, the right to equal pay and equal treatment in the workplace, marriage equality, breast-feeding, etc. But if Hilary is elected, I might very well leave the country.

  39. hototrot1 says:

    On the issue of accents: I have a standard Midwestern accent. But people in NYC all say I talk Southern. Annoying. Anything not East Coast-sounding is Southern to them. Now friends I grew up with, when I lived in Kansas City had a Southern style of speaking because their grandparents had come up from the Great Migration from the Gulf states. But my people for the most part were in the middle states since before the Civil War.

    I love listening to other people’s accents though.

  40. MissLady says:

    New Blog folks….

  41. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online You want to feel like both parties are pulling their weight in a relationship even if they are doing it in different areas. You don’t want to feel like you’re doing all the heavy lifting alone. I can respect that thanks for sharing also.

  42. lovelynyours says:

    Sure, Online. If after hours upon hours of research, A woman has drafted a full blown business plan to present to a bank to get funding, she’s independent because she put in the work. But she’s also independent because she’s putting that towards her future – she’s creating and executing on a strategy to make those newly gained resources work for her so that she doesn’t have to borrow from the bank each and every quarter for the rest of her life just to get by.

    There’s no question that the person providing the resources is independent (usually – with the exception of some in mega wealthy families, perhaps) – my point is just that receiving the resource may not always make one dependent, is all. It depends on what you do with it, the work you put in to get it, and how reliant you are on it going forward.

  43. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy I agree certain skills and characteristics are only valuable if they are traits the person is looking for otherwise they are useless.

  44. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – your relationship question…I believe that there should be the perception of 50/50 in the relationship…what do I mean by that?

    You list tasks, contributions, roles within the relationship…you both decide there are tasks you are going to hire out…you both decide there are tasks that you are good at…you both decide there are tasks you consider off-limits…you watch the other perform tasks they feel they are good at…you work to a point where you are both exerting similar effort, you’re both doing things that make you feel good about the relationship…you’re both contributing what feels “fair” to make the relationship a success…as long as that continues, there are NO ISSUES…when the relationship is challenged, perceptions change and instigators cause more discord…it’s NEVER a 50/50 relationship, but the happy ones FEEL 50/50 in as many respects as possible…

    This is actually where Sugar lets me be at home and feel happy with the peck on the cheek and cuddle on the couch for tv and not feel like I’m losing something in the intimate relationship…when all else feels 50/50…

  45. rembodler says:

    @Elaine
    I see no problems with your position. The only problem I see that often happens is that women expect the man to value and appreciate qualities they may have no need for. Using your example, a PA should not expect a raise because she went to school and got an expensive art or culinary degree and incurred a lot of debt. Many women think that qualities that make them great girlfriends, wives or employees will have to mean something being a mistress. They might or might not.
    As in business, most people will beatch about their dumb employer who does not understand how that new MBA in business now makes them so more valuable.

  46. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @lovely – I think independence is a function of work…it’s the old adage “give a man a fish, he eats for today…teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime” well, you’ve still go to FISH (work) to eat for the lifetime…you can be given the resources (a stocked lake, the equipment and bait) but your independence comes in the actual WORK collecting the fish.

    Does that mean the person providing the resources is not independent? No…that person WORKED, set aside resources so (s)he could use those resources to HELP OTHERS WORK toward independence…THAT’s the big deal for me…you have to show you’re willing to WORK to be independent, or else all the resources you are given will basically be wasted away…

  47. lovelynyours says:

    @Elaine: “Like ‘independent man’ might have got some help from banks, their “old boys” [network] or investors to build up their companies and fortune, most ‘independent woman’ have provable less access to these, and might get some help from a SD. Why does that make her less ‘independent’?”

    Interesting point, here. Nobody ever becomes a success all on their own – I don’t care who you are. You can be independent and also leverage someone’s resources, whether that’s advice, connections, or funding. The factors in determining dependence vs. independence may not lie in whether one makes use of others’ resources – it may be a function of 1) whether one relies on other resources and if so, how heavily, and 2) how much work was personally invested to receive such resources.

  48. Jaybird923 says:

    @Elaine Thank you for sharing your prospective. I appreciate it. So many people have a preconceived notions of what a certain group of people should be like that they never realize that with in that group is varied population with different views and ideas. While we might have some things in common we aren’t all carbon copies of each other.

  49. Elaine says:

    @Jay

    I consider myself a feminist.
    A very feminine feminist though. 😉

    Why do I think I am a feminist?
    Because in my opinion women are not less valuable as men, and should not be treated as such.
    I don’t believe that one sexe must be subordinate to the other.
    I believe that both sexes have their own strengths and should not try to compete each other in them, but join and cooperate.

    Do I believe men or women should strive to be equal? Yes
    Do I believe men and women should strive to be the same? No.
    Sometimes a woman is more adapted for a certain task, sometimes a man is.
    All has to do with different build of brain and body.

    We should celebrate the differences, not fight them!
    And no gender should ever be advantaged over the other.

    But as long as in a big part of the world this is still an Utopia, I will be a feminist and not accept oppression of females.

    My sort of feminism has nothing to do with fighting men, threaten their manhood, or take advantage of them.
    It has all to do with equal rights, freedom and women not being taken advantage of.

    So as much as I condem men who abuse their women, I condem women abusing their man.
    I get upset when reading in the paper about a man who killed his wife because she wanted to leave him.
    But I also get upset when I read about women demanding half of their ex’ assets without having ever done anything to justify that.

    I don’t understand women who are completely ok with living on welfare, and I equally don’t understand man doing the same..

    So, are all feminists fat, tattood, shouting, unshaved lesbian manhaters in purple dungarees? No!
    Aggressivity will bring us nowhere.

    In my country most ladies know how to steer her man with soft guidance into the direction she wants, make him believe it was him chosing… 😉

    Do I feel inferior to a man, being his mistress and get allowances from my lover?
    Nope, why should I ?
    I see it as a fair exchange, not that different from a working situation.
    A good mistress is worth a good allowance, as a good PA is worth a good salary.

    And then it is up to both to decide to either invest it in Hermes bags, or use it in a way that will help her built a stable future.
    Like “independent man” might have got some help from banks, their “old boys” netwerk or investors to build up their companies and fortune, most “independent woman” have provable less access to these, and might get some help from a SD.

    Why does that make her less “independent”?

  50. lovelynyours says:

    Ha, I suppose. I’d rather have something that sounded more interesting. Accents, especially surprising ones, are awesome. I met a guy once who was tall, blonde, blue-eyed, and white. By the way he looked and carried himself, you’d think he’d sound like he was from the West Coast of the US. Opened his mouth and a Jamaican accent came out. Oh, man – made my knees weak. Russian, British, and Irish are my faves, though. If I ever hit my head too hard and in a brain-damaged, post-coma daze, decided I wanted children, I’d consider raising them in one of those countries 1) so they gain a global perspective of course, but also 2) so they’d acquire one of those accents. Too cool.

  51. RussianSB says:

    I guess they are beating them everyday in ancor school – to get rid of accent, because everybody have accent.

  52. RussianSB says:

    Then, you can be proud of yourself, ancors on cable news supposed to speak ” pure ” language ! Nobody in Moscow will let talk ancor-person, talk with moscovite accent :)

  53. RussianSB says:

    I am Jewish, doctors doesn’r help, still have that French rrrrrr, so everybody envy my French – I have perfect “pronounce” ! Gosh, so many French words English language has !

  54. rembodler says:

    @Russian
    She means local accent. Russians can tell the difference between the Northerners and the Southerners.
    I recall a friend telling me a story that someone who pronounces “R” in a French way in Moscow would be treated by the speech doctors by their parents so kids at a school would not think they are Jews.

  55. lovelynyours says:

    Accents are sort of subjective; you only have one if you sound different from the majority of people in the region you’re in at that time. However, for me, because we moved around so much as a kid, I never really picked up a distinctive accent. I was born and raised in Alaska but the Sarah Palin accent didn’t stick, didn’t pick up that Midwest flavor, never picked up the East Coast tongue, and I haven’t lived in the South long enough for the drawl – which means to many of those who I encounter, I have an accent wherever I go in the U.S. but nobody can really place where I’m from. I sound like the modern-day customer service automated voices – or like the anchors on cable news networks. Lame, I know.

  56. RussianSB says:

    Lovelynyours, why you have accent ?

  57. lovelynyours says:

    I love Red’s accent. Although, nearly all accents are awesome to me so perhaps that’s not saying much. My accent is as standard, vanilla, American as they get, I’m afraid. :/ Maybe I’ll pick up a lil something now that I’m in the South. I’m sure your accent’s lovely, Russian. :)

  58. RussianSB says:

    So, you guys think I speak with accent ? Like ” Red ” in Orange is a new black ?
    Sorry to dissapoint you, I speak with slitely american accent, which drive mad my british ex-boyfriend.
    Because I love Hollywood movies, I catch up american accent !
    And, you know, I am not quite understand what british people saying ….

  59. rembodler says:

    @lady
    That is my point. The man saying that would be similar to an SB admitting to being perfectly happy with low amounts.
    Except that my guess that the later happens a lot more often then the former. Just my guess.
    ;).

  60. MissLady says:

    lol @Rem, of course a guy won’t own up to just paying for a platonic relationship publicly here, why set himself up for the ridicule?? People that have owned up to paying more than 1k have been ridiculed around here and they were getting sex…

  61. lovelynyours says:

    Understandable, Online. I’m new to forums in general (been following this one for about a week or so now), so I suppose I didn’t think about it quite that way. Thanks for the perspective.

    Rem, Ha, no – I’ve not seen that. Point taken. Though I haven’t been on this forum, or any other for that matter, for long. :)

  62. MissLady says:

    @Rem there are valid reason to doubt the veracity of the said account. That’s it.

    At Rem, I guess I look at it like this…it’s the internet. There’s good enough reason to doubt the veracity of a whole bunch of statements that have been made on these blogs from both sides of the fence, so I take all things that have been said here with a HUGE grain of salt. Some people are consistent, others aren’t, but the anonymity of the internet lends itself to people to say/sell anything, as evidenced by the profiles that both SD’s AND SB’s have pointed out.

  63. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy You choose 50/50 partnership so you’ll have to pay less in alimony. LOL I didn’t think about that component. I can see why that would be appealing.

  64. rembodler says:

    @lovely
    I guess the point I am trying to make, have you seen many SDs come here to tell that they have a platonic relationship where they pay 5k to spend a weekend with the woman?
    You have not. While that is not totally impossible, a rare man will admit to it, even here anonymously. Who wants to be ridiculed…

  65. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I tend to be a bit skeptical when there’s a comma in the claim…not because I don’t think it happens, just because it can happen too often with contributions on blog…when someone proves they have something to contribute to an arrangement, and can be a “productive” member of the blog community, it is easier to believe the amounts they talk about…when it’s a first post, or posts tend to be a rollercoaster ride of emotion and/or sugar claims, not so much…to me, it still goes back to location, living expenses, brought to the table to determine if the claim has merit…if they won’t share even a general location, that is a flag toward dishonesty in EVERYTHING they say…if they won’t share something about the arrangement (other than all we did was shop and I walked away with tens of thousands of dollars of stuff and he STILL game me 5k in cash) discussion before this glorious meeting there’s a red flag toward dishonesty, even sharing her profile to see her eloquence and/or looks that would justify the extravagance of the story would go a long way to underscoring believability…

    AGAIN, I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I just don’t believe FOR A SECOND it’s a daily occurrence for all but the smallest percentage of SD giving it away and an even smaller percentage of SB receiving it.

    If you want to share A story, feel free…but…please show some ability to justify it with some greater detail than, “you all are losers for NOT believing it…because you don’t pay it like this you’re all johns…it happens for me all the time…”…etc…

  66. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    It is simple.Most marriages end up in divorce. If one of the spouses is not working, the other person will have to pay spousal support after divorce. So paradoxically, The more the second partner contributes, the less they get on divorce.

    @lovely. I have absolutely no doubt that some women do get that amount and maybe more. All I am saying, the peer pressure to say 5k instead of 0.5k is overwhelming.
    For a guy both low and high numbers are impressive, so for an SD there is no reason to doubt either low or high end.

  67. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy Even when I don’t agree with you I always appreciate your perspective. So what would be your ideal marriage/relationship one with traditional gender roles or a 50/50 partnership. (Keep in mind the question isn’t whether you want to get married or not. :-))

  68. lovelynyours says:

    I see no reason to doubt it, per se. I do know some men, and women, who will spend 5,000 on a handbag or something on a weekly or monthly basis without even thinking twice about it. The way I see it, if there are people out there that do that, surely there are also people out there that will give someone else $5,000 when they know that will produce more value than a handbag will because it’ll make another human being’s life easier. Is it common? In some circles, yes… in most, no. But it doesn’t mean it’s not true. Personally, I’m inclined to believe someone until they give me stark and irrefutable reason not to.

  69. rembodler says:

    I guess what I am saying, if someone is saying she accepted 300 dollars and had a great time, I have no reason to doubt that account.
    If someone says she was given 5k by a man who “assumed that everyone always gives her 5k”, almost like, “I hope you are not insulted by that little token of my appreciation”… there are valid reason to doubt the veracity of the said account. That’s it.

  70. lovelynyours says:

    Yeah. Ignorance is bliss…until it isn’t.

  71. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lovely @Lady exactly It takes a certain fearlessness to be totally dependent on another person. (Or it might be a case of ignorance is bliss) I just can’t see myself doing it.

  72. MissLady says:

    @rem, I don’t say anything to either woman, they both got what they wanted or accepted…..

  73. MissLady says:

    @Jay, well thankfully gender roles doesn’t mean I have to be a housewife/stay at home mom, it takes a different kind of strength to do those roles.

    I can do ‘being helped’, I just don’t know if I have it in me to be totally taken care of….

  74. rembodler says:

    @Lady @anon
    If a woman comes here and says she got 5k for overnite, we all say “WOW”.
    If a woman comes here and says she got $200, she will be called a cheap slut.
    The question – what every woman on the blog is tempted to say?
    Precisely.

  75. lovelynyours says:

    You touched on it, Jay. Relationships are about trust and, to some degree, power. I could never envision relying so heavily on a man that I couldn’t live the life I’d want if he happened to get hit by a bus, became destitute, or left me tomorrow. Putting my fate in someone else’s hands scares me…part of the reason why the concept of marriage irks me so much.

  76. Anonymous says:

    There is no reason not to give a 5k for a weekend with the lady.
    There is no reason to give 5k for 5 weekends with 5 different ladies.
    While I can see how a lady would be proud of being a 5k/weekend lady, if you are a gent and you pay that much for a simple pleasure of being with a woman…something must be wrong with you.

  77. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady I guess it does depend on the guy. Just like I wouldn’t be 100% comfortable letting the guy be the sole bread winner. At the very least I would have to have a part time job some where. Or he would have to be an amazing guy for me to put that much power and trust into his hands.

  78. MissLady says:

    @Reb be careful, you’re going to be accused of making up fairy tales and giving the wrong idea to young, impressionable SB’s….

  79. MissLady says:

    @Jay Like I see nothing wrong with a woman cooking and taking care of the household but if you act like it’s my job to do it because I’m the woman..

    LMAO Been there, done that….it’s usually all dependent on the guys approach

  80. Jaybird923 says:

    Hmm so you’re only a feminist outside of the household :-)) This is why I asked. I grew up in a household with very clear/strict definitions of proper gender roles. I spent most of my adolescence rebelling against these roles. If you would have asked me a couple of years ago if I’m a feminist I would’ve said yes without a second thought.

    But has I’ve gotten older I’m not so sure. I’ve noticed that I’ve started to apply a lot of the concepts that I use to rebel against into my own life. Now I’m some confusing hybrid of both my own beliefs and the ones instilled in me by my parents.

    Like I see nothing wrong with a woman cooking and taking care of the household but if you act like it’s my job to do it because I’m the woman, I’ll probably let you starve before I’ll touch the stove. LOL Just wanted to see some other people views on the subject.

  81. Reb says:

    “Some SDs here (I’m speaking generally) act like we SBs should get on our knees for the pleasure of their company and be relieved when they pull through and give us “tree fiddy” (pop reference). Some act like we have no options and we’re thirsty in a desert and you’re the only ones with water. While I’m sure there are some in that situation SA isn’t the place to be if that’s what you want. Arrangements take time.”

    I had 2 past SDs who gave 5k for a weekend. Each of them are like, “I’m the only guy who has given you 5k, right? No one gives as much as me!” And then I nervously laugh and ignore the question. My last SD was not exclusive with me, yet would scold me whenever I went on my computer because he’d “sarcastically” accuse me of talking to other men. Umm you’re on 4 different websites, I can talk to anyone I want. I was talking to my girlfriends anyways.

  82. MissLady says:

    Feminism – the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

    Hmmmm, according the definition, I could partly identify as a feminist, I might have issue with some of the ‘social’ category if they’re attributing it to a relationship dynamic.

  83. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady Thank you for answering an I agree with you about the workplace. My question is about non professional relationships. If you don’t mind my asking, do you identify as a feminist?

  84. MissLady says:

    In relationships, gender roles. In profession, equals. In the relationship, I CHOSE that Man for that role. For my profession, if I’m doing the same thing that the guy next to me is doing, with the same experience and education, there should be no difference in pay.

  85. Jaybird923 says:

    Very interesting discussion. I have two question. Everyone feel free to respond. For the women that identify as feminist, Do you believe in traditional gender roles in marriages/relationships? Or do you believe everything from household chores,child rearing, and expenses should be be divided 50/50 amongst both parties?

    And for the men what style of marriage/relationship do you prefer? The one with traditional gender roles or the 50/50 partnership?

  86. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @sunshine – I read your comment to be societal hierarchy, rather than industrial hierarchy…meaning, women are no longer property, men should not become property…women could hold power and men could hold power, but the position should not be BECAUSE of gender…

  87. Sunshine2Serenity says:

    *as long as it’s based on merit not genetics.

    Phone typing ugh.

  88. Sunshine2Serenity says:

    @flyboy
    Hierarchy is fine as long as it’s not based on merit and not genetics.

    I don’t think men are inherently better than women not women inherently better than men. I think a woman would be more qualified to give birth than a man and most likely a man more likely to lift heavier weight than a woman. That just makes some genders better at doing certain things. It’s when it gets into the mind that things get complicated as we can’t seperate society and socialisation from biological gender. Well you can but then you end up with that girl that is unable to speak because she grew up with animals.

    Those are specifics though, I wouldn’t take those and generalise that men or women are better because of that.

    Hopefully that clarifies things :)

  89. FlyBoy says:

    Sunshine2serenity:

    And while I’m at it I may as well throw the rest in for the wolves. I’m a feminist. I’m proud to be. I dream of equality between men and women. However we don’t live in an equal world as any reliable statistics bureau will demonstrate. Being a feminist doesn’t mean you have to have hairy legs and no bra or that you cannot receive gifts from men. Nor does it mean devaluing men or thinking they are inferior. It means valuing men and women as equals – same level – no hierarchy.

    This preceding paragraph is a perfect illustration of the madness that has griped the west (and now the world at large). No hierarchy, our esteemed writer says! No hierarchy! What utter nonsense!

    We are the strongest, most capable species on the face the planet! Our magnificent weapon is our ability to cooperate on any scale. We are able to form small teams to tackle small task, as well as large teams to tackle the most complicated of projects. None of these teams can exist without hierarchy! None!! A flat structure will not permit cooperation even theoretically.

    Most dilettantes when analyzing a flat structure will zero in on its inefficiency! If everyone is doing everything, that will not be efficient. True!! However, a flat structure suffers from a more important and fatal flaw, to wit, the absence of a boss. A boss who acts as a source of decisions and must accept being a sink for blame.

    No decision can be perfect. That’s why a boss who has earned the esteem of his peers, the stake holders and society at large must be there to make those decision according to the best available information. If he were right, we all win. If not, then he can use some of his ‘trust capital’ to pay for the blame, thereby shielding his valuable team to continue its work until a winning solution to the problem is found.

    Hierarchy is the reason we have civilization. Indeed, whether its food, or electricity, or roads, or hospitals, or airplanes .. etc, etc, etc. None of it could have existed without hierarchy!!!

    Alas our esteemed writer, and too many like her in today’s world, want us to give the boot to hierarchy! Then; what becomes of us, prey tell?!! Are we to return to the caves! God forbid :)

    Oh, as to your critique of the little ones in the bowl; spot on darling!

    Cheers :)

  90. hototrot1 says:

    I feel like a woman has a right to declare her lady parts worth a billion dollars even if everyone else thinks she not worth a cent. Now, if the woman complains that no one is willing to pay therein lies the problem. I feel the same about a man who wants to offer very little in return for intimacy. It’s his right, but he shouldn’t complain if he has no takers.

  91. NC Gent says:

    This blog used to be a great place for an open-minded exchange of experiences and opinions. There was an occasional troll but the moderators quickly dealt with the troll. In the last year or so, an Us Vs Them mentality arrived along with a heavy dose of intolerance. It would be great if they would bring back some volunteer moderators.

  92. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @sunshine – you will see, I provide a different perspective on sugar than the “wall” (although my current SB is on the young end) I have had long term arrangements with women who were older than me…it’s about the connection for me…yes, there has to be attraction, but it’s the connection that provides longevity in my case! I would stay with someone who was “acting” as long as she didn’t OVER act things, because you can never truly KNOW what the other person is processing/feeling at the time, so if I FEEL she is connected, I’m on board with things, when I FEEL she’s acting, it cheapens the “connection” feeling for me…

  93. hototrot1 says:

    I went to a strip club once with my ex-husband in Florida. We were bored and just killing time out in the middle of nowhere. It was depressing to me. I felt sorry for everybody. I don’t know why. I didn’t really stay long enough to really soak it all in. But, I do find all of this stripper talk interesting. So the ladies smell like semen and coconut oil. You learn something new everyday. I thought I heard once that strip clubs reek of vanilla perfume. It’s suppose to be an aphrodisiac or something.

  94. hototrot1 says:

    @Online
    “granola-sasquatch feminist”

    Heheh FUNNY

  95. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @cryptic…you must be my Australian doppelganger…I’ve never really found the dancers attractive at a strip club. No need for imagination; usually too tatted or pierced up; reeking of the mix of cigarette, coconut oil and semen from her VIP room time between sets…if she’s paying for that privilege, she’s getting ripped off (and it would explain why there seems to be a disproportionate amount of “former” and current strippers on SA!)

  96. hototrot1 says:

    @cryptic
    “@HotToTrot-If a woman thinks her only value is her looks then she is of no interest to me.”

    You’re being simple again. Of course I’m only talking about one aspect of womanhood. We are a composite of many layers. But in the realm of sex value, most men value looks above all other qualities. This fact has been studied, dissected and available for consumption for some time now.

  97. hototrot1 says:

    “none of these guys are my SD so it’s not an issue. ”

    Haha @Sunshine that’s how I feel. Not my SD, what do I care?

  98. cryptic anomaly says:

    @HotToTrot-If a woman thinks her only value is her looks then she is of no interest to me.

  99. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @FlyBoy – good tips for the crowd who want clarification for profiles…you’re exactly right, the “Diamond” crowd just doesn’t seem to be all it’s cracked up to be on SA, profile text will do more to set you apart! If the SB is searching ONLY Diamond profiles, you may want to do that, but you can find enough quality SB profiles on your own, and the profile text will solidify that first contact, even if she only likes the Diamond in her search…

  100. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Cucumber – Like I care if the strippers have to pay the other staff off! I prefer the barmaids etc because they usually better looking and a lot more down to Earth, I hate the overly made up whore look.

  101. hototrot1 says:

    @cryptic

    Just as Online just posted above that he’s “only 40”. A woman would be laughed at for making said statement. With words like “post-wall” and the like, women have to make the most of their assets. They have to value what they have now, because it is so fleeting. I understand from a male perspective, that value needs to be demonstrated to get the allowance, but there is nothing wrong with SBs valuing their bodies.

  102. Sunshine2serenity says:

    @hot

    Hehe. Thank you. Sometimes I think laying it out is all you can do. It’s not pretty, it’s not attractive, but hey none of these guys are my SD so it’s not an issue. It’s funny because I’m a fairly cheery individual but this blog is filled with so much negativity that you kind of get sucked into responding and then you feel negative.

    Ideally I shouldn’t care but I’ve got a wonderful SD who didn’t force me to compromise on anything, who likes me for who I am and I like him for who he is. Yes he is married and at most it might remain a friendship should the feelings get too intense. He helps me within the Moderate range and is comfortable doing so. From the talk on here its all work, hustle, and acting and all I want is to present another side from what seems to be mainstream here. I feel like SBs don’t have a place where they can see the sugar bowl with both its joys and its pains. Tumblr is all about the gifts for platonic and here tends to be all about sex for money – there is no in between spot :/. Anyways I just wanted to share that with other SBs that there are lovely older men out there who will treat you nicely and be happy to help out if you’re lovely and genuine to them. So don’t loose hope, have fun, be safe and don’t settle for anyone who makes you feel horrible.

    It feels everyone has their own type and we all end up talking across each other about how to best craft a profile to attract what you’re looking for when it only works for your type. Hopefully having a forum dedicated to that means that people can talk about categories and direct it towards that particular approach. As well as having a general forum where we can all chat about random non sugar related things :P. Like 80’s movies!!!

    @NC Gent
    Thank you :).

    @Online
    I think you’re spot on. And with people who are like that fair enough – if you act like an escort you’re going to end up with men who treat you like one.

  103. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @sunshine – you’re right…not all of us think feminism is a bad thing…however…I would agree that the granola-sasquatch feminist is not helping the “cause” of real equality in any sense of the situation…

    you’re also right…there is a SB for every SD…I have very specific things I look for in a match, they are VERY DIFFERENT than what someone else looks for in a match…to each their own…

    My issue with some of the crowd is the focus on HOURLY RATE when discussing sugar…if you’re going to break down time spent with a SD into an hourly rate, you’re leaving sugar and entering the escort realm…when I hear someone complain about a per meeting amount because of how long the meeting would last, she needs to stop sugaring and start escorting…when I hear a SD complain about a SB’s “demands” and compare it to the BP rate or hourly rate, it’s leaving the sugar bowl and entering the escort realm…

    I will clarify…I have actually used the analogy in the past, comparing allowance demands to BP options locally…I don’t do that anymore…I believe a better comparison for allowance, or even the per meeting crowd, is cost of LIVING, not an hourly escort…I will, from now on, compare an allowance to the cost of living for a location…what is a studio apartment running (not a two bedroom three bath loft on the top two floors of a recently renovated building), what are local college costs running, what are utilities and groceries running, etc. If you’re looking to be a “kept woman” these are your expenses, NOT closets of shoes and designer labels and leases on high-end autos!

  104. hototrot1 says:

    Before I got out of the car last night with my date, he whispered in my ear: “Think about what you want, and what I have to offer. Think about it” He’s a lawyer and very precise with words, so I know it wasn’t offhanded. Still trying to think of a reply. To both his words in the car and the email I received a half hour later. I really don’t know what to write back.

  105. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Vixen – If a woman is showing it to everyone then it loses it’s value. Simple really.

    @HotToTrot- Works both ways. If a woman wants a rich man to spoil her than yes she needs to impress him. Most really don’t and as a result get the lower end type SD’s who just want P4P. I’m not even talking about money, I’m talking about how she is treated.

  106. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Damn – good to hear you’re out of the publishing business for your experiences here…I’m not a “whale” or even a “mid fish” because I don’t sugar from assets, I sugar from cash flow…your naked pictures would do nothing to change my age guess for you…of course…your language doesn’t help that with comments like “EONS” and “VERY” when you describe your tenure as an attorney…I’ve lasted in my industry longer than 98% of those who would have a similar tenure, of course I could also say I’ve been on my own in my industry for longer than 98% of those who entered at the same time I broke off onto my own…but I’m only 40…REMEMBER…my guess was closer to 40 than your profile age…

    If you’re having success, continue to sugar on…as I said…I like your profile, your approach and so far your contributions on blog have been wonderful little reads…I hope to see you around for a while!

  107. NC Gent says:

    Nice post Sunshine :)

  108. hototrot1 says:

    I don’t really get the idea that women are *insert derogatory slang of preference here* because they place a high value on intimacy. Guys are like, “Who does she think she is? She’s not worth #%#%!” But, think about it this way. A woman is literally letting a foreign person into what should be her temple- her body. The place where babies come from. I think that’s why men and women value sex so differently. The man inserts, the woman is designed to accept. Not much consequence for the person who inserts. The reason why women lose value with every encounter and men increase in value. If that is the societal construct, than it only makes sense that a woman doesn’t give it away for crumbs. I really don’t understand why that is so hard to understand.

  109. FlyBoy says:

    beachhockey:

    Solution: any jackass who makes $50k per year can click the $1,000,000 per year income box when filling out profile but why not let people like me have the ability to submit a screenshot of last years tax return along with ID, address blocked out to the page admins and in return on our profile you would see a gold star or the word “Legit Sugar daddy” or “Verified Income” next to our photo.

    They do this already! If I am not mistaken, it’s called the Diamond Club. Anyway, I think it’s tacky.

    If you want to differentiate yourself from the little ones, the solution is very simple; an allowance! Write something concrete on your profile like:

    I am looking for a typical SD/SB relationship.
    5K per month allowance .. non negotiable!

    This will automatically give you an advantage over everyone. Simple as that!

    Cheers :)

  110. hototrot1 says:

    @Sunshine

    Love your Jerry Maguirish manifesto! Sometimes you just have to just say what you feel. Everyone won’t like what you say, but who cares?

  111. Sunshine2serenity says:

    Speaking off going off the wall…(just a heads up – if you don’t want to be offended stick your hands over your eyes and imagine cows jumping over fences until you scroll past my post).

    Some SDs here (I’m speaking generally) act like we SBs should get on our knees for the pleasure of their company and be relieved when they pull through and give us “tree fiddy” (pop reference). Some act like we have no options and we’re thirsty in a desert and you’re the only ones with water. While I’m sure there are some in that situation SA isn’t the place to be if that’s what you want. Arrangements take time.

    Someone may not be right for you, that doesn’t make what they’re doing wrong, it just means you’re not the right fit. Contrary to popular opinion if you’re smart and pretty you have options you don’t have to take any SD that messages you. Sometimes nothing is better than someone who requires you to beg, act contrary to the way you feel or treats you like trash. If you can have someone who is gentlemanly, kind, intelligent, funny, handsome and helps out, why would you want to be with a guy who is offering a worse personality and little help. Seems pretty obvious to me unless you’re a masochist.

    And while I’m at it I may as well throw the rest in for the wolves. I’m a feminist. I’m proud to be. I dream of equality between men and women. However we don’t live in an equal world as any reliable statistics bureau will demonstrate. Being a feminist doesn’t mean you have to have hairy legs and no bra or that you cannot receive gifts from men. Nor does it mean devaluing men or thinking they are inferior. It means valuing men and women as equals – same level – no hierarchy.

    Going into a more in depth analysis you could argue that accepting money from men who may view you as a sex object may promote the view that women are inferior. Firstly you don’t have direct control over what others think of you. In the end you can be in a “normal” relationship and get used for sex. Secondly if it is empowering you to have more options and better control over what you want to do in your life its hardly anti-feminist.

  112. hototrot1 says:

    For the 80’s movie fiends out there, here’s my list:

    “Just One of the Guys”
    “Secret Admirer”– Best Teen Flick in my opinionn
    “Pretty In Pink”
    “St. Elmo’s Fire”
    “About Last Night”– Rob Lowe and Demi Moore were so sexy, I couldn’t wait to grow up and be just like them
    “The Outsiders”– watched that a few nights ago. Cried my heart out AGAIN

    You guys talking about “Porkies” and “Porkies Revenge” got me to thinking about how my sister and I would sneak and watch it on Cinemax late at night. That was porn to us! And The Conan movies with Gov. Arnold. I don’t know why they showed those late either.

  113. hototrot1 says:

    *off the wall*

  114. hototrot1 says:

    @Cucumber
    “What you’re doing isn’t weird. You want the attention of a woman without her saying” lapdance baby for $25″ every 5 minutes. Point is you could just go to a normal bar and not pay a cover charge and do exactly that. Still that would require a woman to be into you for you and that’s when you’d have to face some horrible truths. The strip club gives the illusion half dressed women desire you but the begging for money is where that illusion destroys things for you.”

    I know you write books on her and get chided for it, but I like your books. I might not read them right away. But, sometimes I get my glass of vino out and just read. Some of it is a little off the while, but there’s always a little nugget of insight that rings true. I like your contribution, similar to how I feel about Russian SB’s posts. Though, she’s much more concise with her idiosyncratic musings

  115. Sunshine2Serenity says:

    @cuc
    I think you make some really interesting points.

    I think many guys want the illusion that the woman will stay but then they get angry if you think that you’re not the right girl for them or that you want to enjoy their company and get some help.

    I know it’s frowned upon here to actually like your SD and enjoy that he is able to help you get ahead. But when you can be frank about your needs and you enjoy someone’s company there’s no need to go through a punishing rigamarole of pretending that the money means nothing at all to you. There are plenty of guys out there who understand and have the means to be the amazing guys that they are and help out.

    I think it was mentioned earlier that if a woman says she’s not interested in the money then she’s devaluing the SD because that’s a big part of his life. It’s like hey whatever you do someone will hate your approach so the best thing is to do what works for you :).

  116. hototrot1 says:

    @Dame
    “I now understand it. BUT – as a single woman, there is no reason for us to “waste our time” on them when they acknowledge they don’t want to leave the marriage. BUT – that is where these “arrangements” make sense from a practical point of view.”

    Hi! Welcome! Thanks for your input. I’m no Pollyanna, but I really like this guy. He’s not too much older than me at 55, sincere, smart, rich etc. BUT he is married and happily so. Or at least that what he told me. I cheated in my marriage- the last leg of it- because I was DEEPLY unhappy. Men and women do the same things, but the reasoning is quite different.

    In a way, he’s perfect SD. He has a life that he’s built that he doesn’t want to mess up. Well messing up would be detrimental- his wife is a matrimonial lawyer! An idyllic home life with kids and a dog in the burbs. And he’s already asked me what I want, so there’s no wrangling about $$$ or anything. Bird nest on the ground as they say…BUT…it would be all cool if I just wanted money. Took me sometime to really think about things and perhaps I’m starting to want more than this SB/SD bit. It’s been fun, definitely helped me to clarify my life. Maybe it was my recent birthday that did this to me. Oh well, I’m not going to over analyze it!

  117. Josh says:

    Why did you guess that I would “lecture” you about this topic instead of many other?

    Are you member of and/or supporter of NOW?

  118. beachhockey says:

    Problem: Sucks when I talk to sugar babies and hear the horror stories about ALL the guys with profiles to make them look like their rolling in doe, or 15 years younger, or a pic of a Lambo in their profile pic which when the girl goes on the date the car just happens to be in the shop.
    Solution: any jackass who makes $50k per year can click the $1,000,000 per year income box when filling out profile but why not let people like me have the ability to submit a screenshot of last years tax return along with ID, address blocked out to the page admins and in return on our profile you would see a gold star or the word “Legit Sugar daddy” or “Verified Income” next to our photo.
    I’m thinking the page would never do this because then only a few of us would be able to prove such high incomes and the more Sugar daddies you have on the page the better to entise women to join, I get it. Just sucks that the phonies are wasting the girls and my time.
    also would be cool is on my profile, girls could leave a review of me that other girls could read, maybe for a monthly fee. Every girl Ive taken out has been more than taken care of and very pleased with my looks and etiquette. Love this page btw, great quality and cool girls.

  119. beachhockey says:

    did my last post vanish >?

  120. DamnVixen says:

    @Josh – licensed a VERY long time – though working from the house nowadays sporadically with another seasonal home business. I’m sure you will lecture me that I should be a SugarMomma instead, since my earning capacity is more than a lot of the SDs here. (Been there/done that – involuntarily – no thanks.)

  121. Josh says:

    @DamnVixen

    Are you a practicing attorney?

  122. CucumberOnLids says:

    @cryptic-
    I should probably point out that when I am at strip clubs I usually find the fully clothed female bar staff etc more interesting as well. I’m weird, I don’t think that is news to anyone here.

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    The only reason you are able to do this is because strippers attract the business. After the night is over not only is the stripper having to pay to work but everyone “pimps” her out. The DJ, house mom, bartenders, security staff, assistant manager etc all of them expect a piece of whatever tips she makes yet all of those other people are getting a base salary. So sure you enjoy your warm beer while you chat it up with the bar maid at the expense of the dancers in the club.

    Most men that go to strip clubs that want to just sit and chat normally cant enjoy long drawn out conversations because the clock is ticking. She may have paid $150 just to work that night and your $20 for a lap dance isn’t going to cut it if she wants to walk away with more than what she went in with.

    Take the dancers out and you just have a bar. Trust that the bar maid at that point would be pushed to sell more and you’d find yourself a tad uneasy getting upsold on drink specials.

    What you’re doing isn’t weird. You want the attention of a woman without her saying” lapdance baby for $25″ every 5 minutes. Point is you could just go to a normal bar and not pay a cover charge and do exactly that. Still that would require a woman to be into you for you and that’s when you’d have to face some horrible truths. The strip club gives the illusion half dressed women desire you but the begging for money is where that illusion destroys things for you.

  123. DamnVixen says:

    @Online … I should add … I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION TO BLOG ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE ON THIS SITE. #1 – Over the years many people have come to know my identity, so I don’t want the implication that I am prostituting myself (since there are an abundance of requests for $200/visit “dates.”) #2 – This is now my hunting-ground, and I don’t want male curiosity-seekers coming here to play games OR to generate more female competition for myself. I’m keeping this all hush-hush.

  124. DamnVixen says:

    @Cryptic – Never once in all my years of interacting with men on dating sites, adult sites, or sexting has a man reacted: “Oh, that’s your naked body? There no longer is any mystery, I think I shall move on to another girl I have never seen naked.” (If that’s you, that’s fine. But that’s not me. I’m very comfortable naked and with my sexuality. Sexually timid men will be intimidated by me anyway.) 100% of my experience here is that the “big fish” to “whales” here (good-looking, 50 and under, net worth of $50-100 mil) will view my profile and not message, I send them the invite to view my nude pics, I get a message saying we should meet. (I don’t have a perfect body, but it seems to attract the kind of men I want to attract.)

  125. cryptic anomaly says:

    I should probably point out that when I am at strip clubs I usually find the fully clothed female bar staff etc more interesting as well. I’m weird, I don’t think that is news to anyone here.

  126. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Cucumber- not sure if your last was directed at me. My position is simple. I am the client the SB’s are the contractors who want my business. If they want my business they have to be of a high standard.

    I have explained this so many times before and honestly I am trying to help you all. If a man just wants P4P then he won’t care about your attitude or anything else he will pay the fee and when he is done he will walk away and you will all complain that he didn’t treat you better, but how well did you do to make yourself important to him asides from showing off your bodies?

    If you want quality than you have to put in the time to work for it. You all talk about chemistry but really you are only talking about how you feel about him, not caring how he feels about you. And yes Cuc, so many women on here are me, me, me there profiles are filled with what they want and nothing to do with what they can provide.

    @Damn Vixen – Nude pics are double edged blade. For me they remove the discovery and anticipation. I have seen the woman nude, I get the picture of what it will feel like, hmmm… this woman over here leaves more to explore. I’ll chase her instead.

    Just my position on it anyway, thought I would offer it as it might differ to others.

  127. DamnVixen says:

    @Finesse – Thank you.

  128. DamnVixen says:

    @Online – PS – the pics are naked

  129. DamnVixen says:

    @Online … contact me and I’ll let you see my private photos – and you tell me THEN what age you think I am. And I will tell you.

    To answer your other question … after two days on this site, I cancelled my other regular dating memberships and decided to stay here. I’m in a little town, we have no “whales,” and by my third day I had a dinner date that who dropped $300 on the meal, handed two waiters $100 each, and gave me $600 at my car.

    I’ve dated for what feels like forever, started my career in Palm Beach, so I’m pretty certain I have a feel for who is real and who is not … have my eye on a “whale” who has already asked to Skype/Facetime. (As well as some bigger fish.) So I’m DEFINITELY sticking around … I’m much more likely to meet the kind of men I dated in my Palm Beach days (and didn’t appreciate then, because I was so focused on my “career”) … than where I am now.

  130. Sugar Baby says:

    What an interesting read. I managed to read most of June 29 and on. It looks like it is a core of 10 people and not many others. I’m looking forward to reading more of your comments in the future. And I’ll be careful of calling myself anything here; feminist or non, liberal or conservative, and so on.
    Have a great night and I did learn quite a bit from all of your comments.

  131. CucumberOnLids says:

    What I was trying to convey :Gah

    Most women don’t feel entitled to your money. I think the issue is are you offering the best you can offer? Are you hiring them on at a base wage? That’s the point. Women in general don’t feel “entitled” if someone isn’t taking from them. As you said “I’m a millionaire” so what she thinks is well if he’s a millionaire why is he offering me table scraps? If a woman thought you were just an average joe getting by then she wouldn’t have grand thoughts of what you could provide.

    Don’t want to be viewed for wealth and comfort, then remove it from your profile. Tell them look this is all I can honestly give.

    That’s as bad as me going over to a guy’s house, taking all of my clothes off and saying “Don’t look at me! You’re not entitled to sex!”. Sure he’s not and this is 100% true but why would I purposely go over to a man’s house and get naked? I’m not asking to be raped no more than you’re asking to be robbed. Point is I wouldn’t be surprised if he was pissed at me that I took off my clothes in the first place.

    The same comes with entitlement. People don’t feel entitled when you aren’t taking anything from them.

    When it comes to “some” men they do feel entitled to women. For example on regular dating sites you’ll see an age range that the woman in question is open to date. There will be a bunch off asshats that will say ” hmm that age restriction doesn’t apply to me because I’m awesome!”. Fail. So there he is pushing what he wants into her inbox meanwhile the man doesn’t even exist prior to that exchange. What worse is that when she rejects him all of a sudden she’s a cunt,bitch that this her “p” is gold. Creepy right?

    Another view for sugar is the man that clearly sees what you desire regarding an allowance yet he still pushes into your inbox with his speech. Had he taken the time to state “I noticed your allowance is X and if your firm on that that’s fine. If you’re flexible I can offer X and perhaps in the future Y. Would this be something you’d be open to? ”

    See how simple that is? Sometimes it’s not what you offer but how you offer it that wins ladies over.

  132. Catcher 22 says:

    @Jay: ROFLMAO Re your response to @Cuc’s. verbose posts. It occurred to me that @Cuc would make a great match with @Matok, the SD who is so proud of his autobiography length profile :-)

  133. CucumberOnLids says:

    Ugg IE just deleted everything I posted GRRRR

  134. Finesse says:

    @DamnVixen, don’t listen to @OnlineNewbieSD. You look like you’re in your early 20s.

  135. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Cucumber – I am a multi millionaire. I built it myself, I come from a working class family. So you can ask me how I came to be where I am. Which is why I have a low tolerance for self entitled types.

  136. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cucumber Thank you so much for taking my suggestion into consideration It’s greatly appreciated :-))

  137. CucumberOnLids says:

    @Cucumber for God’s Sake why do you do that to us? At least break it down into smaller post for us.
    —————————————————————————–

    Sorry Jay:) I’ll try to post a more condensed version next time:) I didn’t mean to type all of that but I tend to walk away, write more and then post.

  138. CucumberOnLids says:

    @cryptic anomaly-

    1.not influenced or controlled by others in matters of opinion, conduct, etc.; thinking or acting for oneself:
    an independent thinker.
    2.not subject to another’s authority or jurisdiction; autonomous; free:
    an independent businessman.
    3.not influenced by the thought or action of others:
    independent research.
    4.not dependent; not depending or contingent upon something else for existence, operation, etc.
    5.not relying on another or others for aid or support.
    6.rejecting others’ aid or support; refusing to be under obligation to others.
    7.possessing a competency:to be financially independent.
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    It’s a false dichotomy
    Feminism was about CHOICE. I can choose to be a housewife or a I can choose to be the breadwinner and have a career. Ohh wait there’s more act now and you can CHOOSE to do both. Women in the past weren’t given choices as the male dominated society said ” you can only be this” and that is all.

    No one in this society is truly independent. When was the last time you churned your own butter? Like high end clothing? How about you visit the sweat shops where someone was paid $0.40 a day to make the shirt that costs you $185.

    Almost all wealth is created by the hard work of OTHER PEOPLE. Everyone has to rely on others to survive. Ask a millionaire how he got his start and you’ll have to catch yourself from calling him a “whore”.

    Really? I thought this was already known.
    There’s no such thing as an independent business man unless he’s buying his own shit.

    Want to see true independence? Go visit an Amish Community. Even today some of those communities have said nope I’m getting a cellphone.. screw this cup and string shit. lol

  139. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Damn – I don’t fudge age, build, etc…may fudge a date, but not the zodiac sign or age…I hate to say this, for fear of offending, but I didn’t think your age was accurate…I had you at closer to 40…not that it’s a bad thing (I’ve had lovers who were older than me at 40 currently)

    What are you really looking for then? Subjects for writing new material?

  140. DamnVixen says:

    OnlineNewbieSD – I’ve had a sex/relationship blog over 10 years – I’ve encountered a ton of people over the years who radically changed my small town/military brat mindset. I’ve NEVER been on a site like this OR had a man (other than my grandfather) provide any financial support. I came here to “explore” a different lifestyle … and dragged along another female friend/writer with me. I’ve been a licensed attorney for EONS (I fudged my age a bit, because they men I want to meet are too) – and I find this “online meeting” environment to be the most empowering of any one I’ve ever encountered. I’m sick as hell that this wasn’t around when I was 20-25.

  141. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Alright…depressing ending to the baseball game tonight…now going to watch the pilot of Humans on AMC…anyone watched it already?

  142. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online It’s a wonder I’m as tall as I am My family is full of petites lol Not that many of us that are tall. My mom is 5’3″

  143. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – shit…now you just flipped the switch…it’s too bad you’re not petite and local, I’d invite you over for a movie marathon! 😉

  144. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Cucumber “Once a woman feels she’s being paid for intimacy she’ll start thinking like an escort. Duh. That’s where the “I want this and that comes from”. She’s focusing on her body as a temple and the value associated with women’s sexuality.

    If you’re not asking her what she needs it’s because you don’t care. You’ve concluded in your mind that “well I’m only going to give X take it or leave it”. She takes it with a smile and then logs back into SA to find another “take it or leave it” type.”

    I do ask the women what they want and need and they come back with hourly rates or just unrealistic demands. I won’t speak for all men, only myself, I’m not the one treating these women like whores.

  145. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Damn – I have interacted with those on blog in real life…will share SOME details to keep things “real” with who I am and where things are for me and sugar…but…I’m not about opening myself up to the search capabilities of an open and indexed blog that is used as a marketing machine for SA…

    I like your perspective on Sugar, your reality as detailed in your profile…it’s too bad you’re not local, we could have some GREAT conversation over drinks (as long as you don’t drink coconut water – hahaha)

  146. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I love all those movies! Weird Science is one of my favorites. I love the stuff from the 80’s Revenge of the nerds, meatballs, Porky’s and almost everything Eddie Murphy did..

  147. hototrot1 says:

    @Cucumber
    “You’re starting to sound incredibly dangerous because anger shouldn’t be associated with sex unless of course it’s good make up sex.”

    You nailed it! The words certain people get away with using on this sight are beyond beyond. I don’t say anything on this blog that I wouldn’t say to someone in real life.

  148. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Damn – I’m married…I will blog anonymously, but want it kept completely separate from my sugar profile for discretion…don’t worry about pissing people off, especially now that you’ve shared your profile…if you’re true to the text in your profile, you’ll be a WELCOME contributor as far as I’m concerned!

  149. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Damn Vixen – Most use their names, sometimes we forget to log in as you did. But if you mean not linking our profiles in my case at least it is because I don’t know how to lol

  150. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Cucumber – “I still don’t see why a strong independent feminist type wouldn’t need help. ”

    independent
    adjective

    1.not influenced or controlled by others in matters of opinion, conduct, etc.; thinking or acting for oneself:
    an independent thinker.
    2.not subject to another’s authority or jurisdiction; autonomous; free:
    an independent businessman.
    3.not influenced by the thought or action of others:
    independent research.
    4.not dependent; not depending or contingent upon something else for existence, operation, etc.
    5.not relying on another or others for aid or support.
    6.rejecting others’ aid or support; refusing to be under obligation to others.
    7.possessing a competency:to be financially independent.

    I would say that being a Sugar Baby contradicts with all of those definitions but especially 3 through to 7.

    feminist
    noun
    1. a person who advocates equal rights for women

    Well we know that is a joke as Feminists are about supremacy. But anyway, I would say selling yourself for money would be the most unfeminist thing you can do.

  151. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – my tastes are very eclectic as well…depends on the mood I’m in…it’s usually a comedy, but it could be Dazed and Confused, Dude Where’s My Car?, Fast Times, Zapped, Weird Science, Animal House, National Lampoons, etc….

  152. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cucumber for God’s Sake why do you do that to us? At least break it down into smaller post for us.

  153. DamnVixen says:

    Thanks OnlineNewbieSD – Visited here before, pissed Josh off with my first post, lol. And DaBomb with my second.

    I guess the custom here is to blog anonymously, what’s the reason for that? Are bloggers saying things in their posts that might foil their attempts to meet people – or is there concern that fellow anonymous bloggers might contact them and “mess with them”???

  154. cryptic anomaly says:

    RussianSB says:
    June 30, 2015 at 7:32 pm
    Yeah , today, entitled Tsarevna is much, much better.
    Put a lime in a coconut and drink them bottoms up …

    ****

    I’m hearing that in a Russian accent and if I close my eyes I can see it being said by a villain in an old 007 film.

  155. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I like Fast Times also. I have a very eclectic taste. I just like to laugh :)

  156. CucumberOnLids says:

    @ Cuc, For me it’s just the hypocrisy that gets me, if someone sees themselves as feminist, strong, independent than fine, but don’t then say “I need some help” that contradicts with my idea of what a Feminist should be. If a man offers to help a woman that good luck to her truly, but all the self entitlement I see on here, women stating what they want and not stating what they can offer is boring.

    I have made these comments before but the advice seems to fall on deaf ears. If you are seeking help, if you are wanting a man to pay you/help you financially than offer something in return other than your basic presence.

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    I still don’t see why a strong independent feminist type wouldn’t need help. There are many strong successful straight men that have sex with other men. They state it’s just way easier and supposedly it’s better. This isn’t really about entitlement as it’s more about two people that have needs/wants and are looking to find someone that will give them what they need in exchange for something they want.

    Arrangements become a problem with either perceived value is lost in translation or the person is offering far too little for what they want of the other.

    For example a gentleman contacted me from way out in L.A. and in a demanding tone told me what I was going to do for him. He had the entire evening planned out with ” first we’ll have dinner near my place and after intimacy you’ll receive $300.We’ll talk about starting an arrangement if the first night goes well.

    I thought hmm so 2hrs of drive time in either direction?, Gas around $50, sit through dinner with a man that clearly sounds like a domineering control freak ( 4-5hrs). I’m also supposed to sleep with him too and I clearly haven’t sleep with anyone I just met in the past. All in all I’m looking at roughly an 8-9hr John Daddy experience for $300? Maybe I should get over my fears of escorting and just sign up to Eros. lol

    Now what didn’t make sense to me was the distance. There are far more AA women in his area than where I live. I figured he could have easily found a lady closer to him.

    Just putting up comparisons in my mind:

    Last SD 1k per week (mid 40s) income of just under 200K – Wanted me to be comfortable and asked what I needed and what to make the arrangement work.

    This gentleman (I say this clenching my teeth lol) $300 per meet (late 60s) income (verified over 1 million) didn’t ask me anything about who I was , what I was seeking etc. Just got straight to his speech of how I’ll benefit his life.

    Do you see the difference? So I told him “too little, too far” thanks wish you the best. When he decided to “ooh my last SB blah blah” I decided to open up the lines of communication to the point he blocked me:) OOps.

    Being attractive or decent looking for that matter doesn’t mean you’ll get whatever you want from others. The same goes for wealth. You can buy things and rent people but that really doesn’t mean that any of those people genuinely like you.

    If you can honestly say with a clear conscience I’m doing the best for this person then that’s all you can do really.I’m more likely to see a SD that says “look I have x,y,z and I just can’t afford more” than the guy that is clearly trying to insult me with his offer.

    One profile I read today said “I have more than you but that doesn’t make me a better person” =Gold.

    See this is why I can’t sugar date the John Daddy. He sees things from the perspective of ” I’m paying her for intimacy and of course eww I’m not going to pay her to hang out with me (ego).” So women give them the sex but can’t wait to get away from them.

    What he should be looking at is “ooh she has these expenses that I can TAKE CARE OF” so when she’s with me she’ll be relaxed enough to enjoy our time together.

    See the difference?

    Once a woman feels she’s being paid for intimacy she’ll start thinking like an escort. Duh. That’s where the “I want this and that comes from”. She’s focusing on her body as a temple and the value associated with women’s sexuality.

    If you’re not asking her what she needs it’s because you don’t care. You’ve concluded in your mind that “well I’m only going to give X take it or leave it”. She takes it with a smile and then logs back into SA to find another “take it or leave it” type.

    ————————————————————————————
    @IHF2030
    Yup, princess-diva-bitch-cunt syndrome is reaching epidemic proportions on this site. Some of these delusional, self-entitled women seem to think that they have the keys to Fort Knox between their legs. But, it does make for great entertainment, I must say.

    Response Below:
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    It’s been said a key that opens any lock is a master key. On the other hand a lock that opens to any key is just a shitty lock. Advice: (Get a Master Key) Ohh and stop with the creepy calling women cunts and bitches because they don’t want to fuck you for what pennies you have to throw at them. You’re starting to sound incredibly dangerous because anger shouldn’t be associated with sex unless of course it’s good make up sex.

  157. DamnVixen says:

    @hototrot1 … I understand how a person with a conscience feels “uneasy” with dating someone who is married. Consider this … men will “cheat” in a happy marriage, where they are getting sex and there is no problem in the relationship. It’s something we women don’t understand because we generally don’t cheat unless we are unhappy. I’ve talked to them for many years about this “urge” they have, and I used to condemn it … I now understand it. BUT – as a single woman, there is no reason for us to “waste our time” on them when they acknowledge they don’t want to leave the marriage. BUT – that is where these “arrangements” make sense from a practical point of view. You won’t have greater expectations that he will leave his wife if your needs are being taken care of, he has no fear of you causing problems in his marriage, if you are content with him fulfilling his needs. The wife doesn’t have to be upset by the husband being “honest” with her and wanting an open relationship or trying to get her involved in 3somes or swinging so that he can fulfill his urges for sex outside the marriage.

  158. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Just have to say DAMN @DamnVixen 😉 Welcome to blog…feel free to continue to contribute…

  159. DamnVixen says:

    Oops … would help if I logged on. Sorry folks. Nube.

  160. Anonymous says:

    Just a post so a female friend can find me – ignore this.

  161. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – yeah, not so much a fan…more Fast Times at Ridgemont High…speaking of which…I met the spitting image of Spicoli over the weekend, hosting at a hotel where I was staying…

  162. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online Monty Python. I remember watching it when I was younger on PBS. It’s been a while I should refresh my memory. I wonder if it’s on Netflix. Since we’re discussing old comedies Have you seen Spinal Tap?

  163. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    RE: South Park – I saw Book of Mormon…ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT! Completely explained a few LDS friends I had growing up, underscored why I got caught up in Sister Wives when wifey was watching and supported my concerns with organized religion!

  164. RussianSB says:

    OnlineNewbie – you going to LOVE it.

  165. RussianSB says:

    Anonymous, yes, so much attention in not sugar country, that I can be their Queen Bee. But I more interested in Russians , who sent there to build beautiful houses and hotels, and they very bored and nostalgic . Not people who build it with their own hands, you know what I mean :)

  166. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – IMDB says it was 87-92…that show? From what I’ve read, sounds like it’s up my alley…may have to download and watch…

  167. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – will google them and see what they are about…thanks for the recommendation!

  168. RussianSB says:

    OnlineNewbie, if you love Monty Python, try then ” The New Statesman “.
    Guys, I am fan of South Par, too !

  169. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Sorry Monty Python…damn auto-correct!

  170. hototrot1 says:

    @Zito

    Hi! I don’t know you, but thanks for putting your profile up. Rare to see an SDs profile on here.

  171. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I’m a fan of comedy..those guys have a great sense of comedy…I’ve had to amend my taste a bit, since they don’t produce Monte Python anymore 😉

    Back at YOUR email…long one this time 😉

  172. hototrot1 says:

    4 Kids! He even fitted me into my seatbelt. He says, “cause I’m a dad”. hehe I’m dating Mr. Dad. He lives in Scarsdale and I’m in the city where he has late nights at the office. Like Mad Men. lol

  173. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I love coconut oil. It does great things for my hair and skin. But I’m not sure the stuff they use in strip clubs is the real thing. I would’ve never guessed you were a South Park Fan. One of my favorite shows :-)) Also check your email.

  174. hototrot1 says:

    In a VERY GOOD place. Just came back from date with my married lawyer from the event last month. He emailed 30 minutes after I got home to schedule another date. He said that he’s never cheated on his wife, his college sweetheart, in their 25 years of marriage. He’s not looking to start over with someone else. Has 4 kids. I must admit, I’m a little overwhelmed. I have never been anyone’s chick on the side. And I do have my present relationship. He asked me what I was looking for and what he could he provide. Honestly, I really don’t know. I met him while I was on the outs with my current SD. We still haven’t slept together, but we almost did in the back seat of the car. I’m so hot right now. Need a cold shower. #frustrated

  175. Anonymous says:

    @Russian
    I think I saw that at Kirov’s theatre. It is now called something else. Funny thing, no one in the theatre spoke Russian. French, Italian, English – but no Ruusian.

  176. RussianSB says:

    Rammstein video of “Sonne” refers to Snowhite.

  177. RussianSB says:

    And she lives not with dwarfs, but with 7 young and handsome brothers, who are 50:50 wariors and raiders. Good “bad guys” !

  178. RussianSB says:

    Anonymous – “Sleeping beauty” it is Russian version of “Snowhite”, we also have a ballet by Chaikovsky. It is very gothic and full of sexual symbols – I love it.

  179. lovelynyours says:

    Exactly, Online!

  180. Anonymous says:

    @Russian
    I was in Bulgaria once. I want to say the place was called Golden Sands…I remember that was the cheapest wine, food and hotel in Eastern Europe. But the women…not good looking. I always look for local favors, just so I can tell I sampled. Compared to women in Prague and Budapest…Bulgarian men must be all over the blonde like you…

  181. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @lovely – also the hybrid episode…the smug cloud…

  182. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – it’s one reason I’m not a fan of strip clubs (or gentleman’s clubs) WAY TOO MUCH coconut oil used by the performers…

  183. lovelynyours says:

    Boxed/bottled coconut water is just another b.s. trend that turned into a trend in the same way damn near everything granola or hipster turns into a trend. Reminds me of that South Park episode where Randy and all the other parents fall victim to the emerging “trend” of crapping out of their mouths. Yet another thing to consume that nearly all of us know tastes like shit but few want to come right out and disparage.

  184. Anonymous says:

    @Russian
    Tsarevna Nesmeiana…I love that fairy tale. And the one about the Sleeping Beauty and her evil mother.

  185. Catcher 22 says:

    Josh says:
    June 30, 2015 at 7:51 pm
    @Catcher 22

    “My SB just canceled our date. I guess I will be Holden my own tonight.”

    Are you a lesbian or bi?
    ***************************************************

    @Joshie: Neither. So sorry to disappoint you. You do need to work on your gender identity issues. Time for you to once again get out your cherished dildo. You know from experience just where to stick it.

  186. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – too feminine a drink to even consider…but…no, not even the smell of them…if a date ordered one, I’d have to reconsider moving past that drink with them…

  187. RussianSB says:

    OnlineNewbie, even, PinaCollada ?

  188. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I’m not a fan of anything coconut…never have been…

    @Jay – have had an interesting development with Student…will be sending along an email shortly…

  189. RussianSB says:

    Catcher 22 – what a biotch !

  190. Josh says:

    @Catcher 22

    “My SB just canceled our date. I guess I will be Holden my own tonight.”

    Are you a lesbian or bi?

  191. Josh says:

    If birch or maple water works for some, then more power to them. I love tropical stuff, from weather to people’s attitudes to food.

  192. Catcher 22 says:

    My SB just canceled our date. I guess I will be Holden my own tonight.

  193. RussianSB says:

    Year, can’t wait come back to Moscow – fresh coconuts grows just on birch !
    Josh – have you ever see the birch ?
    I am tired of f…g (unfortunately, not in sexual meaning ) vacations !

  194. Josh says:

    I like virgin coconut water right from a fresh coconut. I have tried flavored coconut water. But mixing anything in it screws it up royally for me.

  195. RussianSB says:

    INF2030
    Yeah , today, entitled Tsarevna is much, much better.
    Put a lime in a coconut and drink them bottoms up …

  196. zito says:

    This was in a cardboard container…it was so bad I had to taste it twice to make sure it wasnt me…lol

  197. Jaybird923 says:

    The only way to truly enjoy coconut water is directly from the coconut. That bottled stuff is gross.

  198. zito says:

    @jay…yes, I think I do

  199. zito says:

    In other news, I just tried some of my daughters pure coconut water, It tastes like what feet would taste like if you could drink feet…lol

  200. Jaybird923 says:

    @Zito Do you understand now? lol

  201. IHF2030 says:

    Hey Czarina good to see you in a better mood, today.

  202. IHF2030 says:

    Yup, princess-diva-bitch-cunt syndrome is reaching epidemic proportions on this site. Some of these delusional, self-entitled women seem to think that they have the keys to Fort Knox between their legs. But, it does make for great entertainment, I must say.

  203. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Russian – Cucumber started it!

  204. RussianSB says:

    Dissapointment of the day :
    “I read your profile too, we’re quite similar although I am also a SD so we’re not hooking up, sorry. lol”

  205. RussianSB says:

    And , of course, when sailor-boys left alone, they discuss Australian brothels !

  206. zito says:

    silence is golden @cryptic…lol

  207. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay, it’s all good just thought if you were free.

    @ Cuc, For me it’s just the hypocrisy that gets me, if someone sees themselves as feminist, strong, independent than fine, but don’t then say “I need some help” that contradicts with my idea of what a Feminist should be. If a man offers to help a woman that good luck to her truly, but all the self entitlement I see on here, women stating what they want and not stating what they can offer is boring.

    I have made these comments before but the advice seems to fall on deaf ears. If you are seeking help, if you are wanting a man to pay you/help you financially than offer something in return other than your basic presence.

  208. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online LMAO you tried :)

  209. zito says:

    please dont go on @cucumber…lol

  210. Josh says:

    Don’t do Yahoo chat if you are not into it already. In my experience in the past 15+ years, it’s shear evil. Do Kik or something similar.

  211. CucumberOnLids says:

    @cryptic
    Also I agree, if a man needs money he works, if a woman needs money she looks for a man to bale her out.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    Ok I disagree with this. First sure if a man needs money he may look for another job but my generation has decided to move in with their parents. You do know how difficult it is for a man that is between 27-36 to get laid living with his folks? Come on the average woman is turned off by that but he’s doing what needs to be done. If it wasn’t that most were trying the cohabitation route. 50/50+sex beats living with the parents any day of the week.

    Others will do couch surfing or minimalist living. I know a really hot handsome hunk type that is living in a 330sq foot “commercial space” at $1 per square just so he doesn’t pay $1700-$2500 in rent . He has three degrees and works as a substitute teacher. He’s 29 yrs old and takes showers at the gym along with enjoying his work-out routine. He was living off of his parents because his father was doing well. After the economic country wide fall out not only did his father take a serious pay cut but he’s “older” as in most companies are not hiring seniors. So to survive his parents moved into one of the senior communities which typically has lower rent. Instead of paying $1800 a month they’ll pay something around $730 a month. Children no matter what their age is can’t stay so “muscles” was out on his bum.

    This is what’s really going on.

    Women can do the same but in general there is always a guy stating “hey let’s hook up, hang out with me blah blah”. When she says “well I have to work, I don’t have the time” you’ll be surprised how many men think that’s a poor excuse. If women went the same route there would be entire industries that would collapse. This is why instead of being able to find lovely spas to go to in my area there has had an increase, 800% in fact of ” body rub” spots. Women aren’t spending as much as they used to on facial treatments or splurging on spa appointments so new places are catering to a man’s “needs”. We already know women aren’t in need of that type of “happy ending”.

    I mean has anyone seen the youtube vids on Detroit? Once a blue collar state of hard workers and now it resembles a 3rd world ghetto. Could you imagine telling a man there ” get a job you bum” right where?

    Women on the other hand think well if this guy likes me maybe he can help me. If not well I’ll stay single and struggle alone. Why struggle and have to deal with someone’s needs, wants, issues and drama? So yes women turn to men for help because there are so many men that approach them. You know there are stores that I don’t even go into because the man behind the counter thinks he has a right to create familiarity with me and make me wait to purchase store items? Do you know how exhausting that is? You go in and think hmm I want some chocolate but you leave 10 mins later. A man goes in and he’s out in 10 seconds. There are times where I just walked out of the store and yelled forget it!

    Even in recent years women are being killed for rejecting a man. Woman gets beat to death because she refused to give a man her phone number? I mean really? Or a woman gets fired for being deemed “too attractive” and the court ruled that it’s LEGAL TO DO THIS. WHAT?!?

    Even sex. Women are more at risk of creating more financial hardship for themselves if they’re sleeping with a man that doesn’t have the means to provide for another person. If he’s financially strapped he shouldn’t have sex at all. What would he do if she got pregnant? Sex is expensive even if you take precautions which is why casual sex is an activity I can’t afford. Too much risk and not enough of an incentive/rewards program. So umm no thank you. lol

    I could go on and on about this.

  212. zito says:

    I am a big believer in karma…anyone want to hear a good true karma story from my life?

  213. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic Also love the Prince reference :)

  214. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic I’m away from my computer. Can I use it on my tablet or do I have to download something?

  215. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay & @Josh sent emails to you

  216. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Zito yes it is and there will be a party with a Prince and everything

  217. zito says:

    yahoo? really?…is it 1999?

  218. cryptic anomaly says:

    @jay Want to chat on yahoo?

  219. Josh says:

    Re: How to decipher unknown acronyms?

    Look it up in the Urban Dictionary.

  220. zito says:

    @jay…I didnt understand either…lol

  221. zito says:

    I just met @jay, but I can tell…she is my type of lady with her temperament

  222. Jaybird923 says:

    @Jay – I’m advocating something specific with both of those…look at ti ing to each…you’re a very smart woman…

    @Online for once I don’t feel very smart lol can you rephrase this statement? Or should I email you too?

  223. Josh says:

    @OnlineNewbieSD

    “@Josh – silence is golden…remember that, please”

    I have no clue what you are talking about. “Silence” on a blog???

  224. RussianSB says:

    I cheating you with political blog – I have more fans there !!!

  225. zito says:

    Im impressed @online you used imho correctly…you said you didn t know text language

  226. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic aww so sweet but I rarely get upset and if I ever did with you. You’d know for sure lol I’m not the beat around the bush type if I have a problem I come out and say it. I don’t expect people to be mind readers.

  227. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh xoxo :)

  228. Josh says:

    Two women…each will try to outdo the other in fooling the man in many different ways so that they may periodically laugh at his real or perceived gullibility when they have nothing else to talk about.

  229. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – silence is golden…remember that, please

    @zito, if you email me, I’ll explain…it DOES make sense IMHO…email is onsdthrowaway at gmail

  230. zito says:

    is it me, or is josh a dick?…lol

  231. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @cryptic – the threesome analogy works when it’s coordinated by the women….when it’s coordinated by the man, directed by the man, much more focused on the man, less starting and stopping and many more orgasms all around!

  232. zito says:

    silence is vastly overrated in my opinion….{see i spelled imo out for you all}….lol

  233. Josh says:

    Two women means twice the expense and half the fun for man.

  234. Josh says:

    @CucumberOnLids

    ‘Lmao. I’m pretty sure guys will think ” BUILT IN THREESOME YEAH!”’

    Ass-u-me away…I genuinely marvel your lack of understanding of how SDs think.

  235. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I’m advocating something specific with both of those…look at ti ing to each…you’re a very smart woman…

  236. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay – I did see it. All good, sometimes things are hard to translate online even with smiley faces. I don’t like the idea of you being upset. Glad you liked my 3some comment too.

    @Josh – That is how I see it too. I don’t get off on seeing women kiss or do anything sexual either. Why would I want a woman who doesn’t need me?

  237. Josh says:

    @Jaybird923

    “I’m not into male bashing.”

    That’s a big part of your charm. 😉

  238. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online why is silence golden in this case lol that’s your second warning.

  239. Josh says:

    Two women are typically lesbians who are looking for an idiot to enhance their own fun with his resources.

  240. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic two things 1) your comment to cucumber very funny 2) wasn’t offended or upset. Did you not see the smiley face?

  241. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Zito – thanks. I just think they are over rated.

  242. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @cryptic – silence is golden…just sayin’

  243. zito says:

    @cryptic…i like that 3some analogy

  244. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Cucumber – Believe it or not 3some’s don’t interest me that much, kind of like driving 2 cars across state by myself. A lot of stopping and starting and I would get tired very quickly.

    @ Jay – Awww come on *hugs* none of what we said applies to you.

    @ONSD – I like the idea of strip games but if it’s by way of computer games I would be naked every time lol

  245. zito says:

    oh good…lets talk politics, all politicians are liars and cheaters, if they werent, they wouldnt last in office

  246. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – silence is golden, all I’m going to say…

  247. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh I would work 3 jobs before I would voluntarily get on welfare. It’s a corrupt institution that seriously needs to be reformed.

  248. zito says:

    @jay…I think we are done….lol

  249. Jaybird923 says:

    @Zito I’m not into male bashing. while some men are assholes I now just as many women who are also LOL You guys can feel free to continue your discussion I just wanted to know when I should check back in. :-))

  250. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @cryptic & @zito – I agree about the minimal…also, if she wants video games p!at her strip gaming and when you win she takes off an article of clothing…whoever is still clothed chooses something more intimate!

  251. zito says:

    @cucumber….2 gir profiles= guys thinking double the allowance…lol

  252. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay – I am relaxed. We’re just sharing experiences and thoughts just as the women do on here about SD’s.

  253. zito says:

    @jay…for the record…I thought bashing was pretty accurate…lol

  254. CucumberOnLids says:

    @cryptic.

    @Zito – I hate the 2 girl profiles, unless they are splitting the allowance I don’t buy in bulk! Yep, I don’t think too many men walk around thinking they deserve a joyous life and yes it is what you make it, or maybe she is yet another woman who expects a man to buy her a joyous life.
    ————————————————————————————-
    Lmao. I’m pretty sure guys will think ” BUILT IN THREESOME YEAH!”

  255. Josh says:

    @Jay appears to be a strong, independent woman sans welfare/affirmative action?

  256. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic I did read what was being written. I always read everything before making a comment that’s the only way to avoid putting your foot in your mouth.
    :-)) You object to the term bashing? Maybe that was a bit too strong. What about airing out your grievances? Frustrations? lol relax Cryptic

  257. zito says:

    @jay…fee; free to talk about any subject you would like….I like your style acrually

  258. zito says:

    I am sure as bad as some of the sa women are….I would bet the men are worse….@jay seems pretty cool, I like women more than men…men are assholes mainly….is that better @jay

  259. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Jay – Bashing? I think if you read what is being written you will gain a lot of insight actually. All of this should be treated as quality free advice not as bashing.

  260. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Zito – I hate the 2 girl profiles, unless they are splitting the allowance I don’t buy in bulk! Yep, I don’t think too many men walk around thinking they deserve a joyous life and yes it is what you make it, or maybe she is yet another woman who expects a man to buy her a joyous life.

    @ Peach – I like Josh! I hate hypocrisy and the silly stuff I see on these blogs and profiles. You want a SD, an allowance that is fine but don’t call yourself an independent woman who just needs some help getting on her feet!

    I get what you are wanting Peach and I like the women who are on here who are more looking for romance and wealthy boyfriends rather than worrying about allowances, a term which even I consider totally degrading for all involved.

  261. zito says:

    @jay…this is what happens when you leave the boys by themselves…lol

  262. Jaybird923 says:

    Is the lady bashing hour being extended? Should I check back in 30 minutes to see if you guys start talking about something interesting? Or do you think you’ll need more time? :)

  263. zito says:

    I am certainly not cheap. whether its a sb or a real woman I am dating…I do love to give a woman things that make her happy…thats what life is about to me

  264. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Crptic
    “Also I agree, if a man needs money he works, if a woman needs money she looks for a man to bale her out.”

    Are you related to Josh? LOL He often says same or similar. But, I agree with you and Zito. The older a lady gets, the less I could understand her wanting and allowance. At my age, I’m just more for the companionship or maybe a “gift” or such that would be something I couldn’t or wouldn’t buy for myself… but then, I’m also at the bottom of the majority here. LOL

  265. zito says:

    what makes her think she deserves a joyous life?….joy in life is what you make it, not something deserved…lol

  266. zito says:

    @cryptic…yeah, I agree…no idea why women post pics with other people in them….if they post a pic with another girl. i may be like….well, your friend is hotter…and what is with these two girl profiles?

  267. cryptic anomaly says:

    “I am hoping there is a decent person out there that wants to spend some good times with this attractive and good-hearted woman in exchange for assisting her to get back her inner strength, independence and opportunity to really have a NEW and JOYOUS LIFE that I deserve.”

    So I pay you money and we hang out? Sounds awesome – not. Also note the strong independent theme again.

  268. cryptic anomaly says:

    Some of them have a lot more charm than the younger ones I will give them that. But I do agree, why pay for something that is in your own dating range. Just saw one now actually, 42, looking for financial support makes it clear there will be no sex, posing in a photo with a man beside her, why do women do that anyway? They do it on normal dating sites as well, who is this man, your pimp, boyfriend, husband?

    Also I agree, if a man needs money he works, if a woman needs money she looks for a man to bale her out.

  269. zito says:

    The older ones are better…I just cant wrap my head around giving an allowance to a woman over 35….get a job honey…lol…..i dont know, maybe its me…lol

  270. cryptic anomaly says:

    Yep. Just so many silly deluded women on here.

  271. zito says:

    If I did play computer games, id play with my 12 yr old daughter and save the hundy….lol

  272. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Zito – Yep, I don’t mind if they are wanting minimal and seem interesting, or have some character about them so much. Although I still pass. What gets me is when they expect the world and still aren’t offering sex. Chatted to one young lady who wanted $3,000 a month to play computer games with me! Out of curiosity I told her I would only be willing to pay $100 a meet for that and she accepted.

    I’m 41, I don’t play computer games lol

  273. zito says:

    I also love the …no sex part in some profiles…lol….ok…bye bye

  274. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Josh, yep women who have no clue what they want, but they want it now and it must be easy. “Ahhh, a spider, I’ll ring my boyfriend so he can come over it and kill it for me”

    @Zito – I actually saw a woman on here once call herself “Buy Me A Lexus” at least she’s honest I suppose. I think many of them are just playing the numbers game, hoping eventually some idiot will do that for them.

  275. zito says:

    My favs are the….Someone lease me a Porsche type, cause I am pretty, young and blonde….lol

  276. Josh says:

    The West is being rebuilt by “strong, independent women on welfare and affirmative action.”

  277. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Zito – Oh yes, the independent, strong Feminist who needs help from Daddy because she has bills to pay lol Love those ones. Saw a profile once from a woman who was a SJW type, she wanted to help the poor etc but is on here wanting to live the high life with a rich man. No consistency, no sugar.

    It really depends on what you like. I like a girl next door type, down to Earth and not greedy or obsessed with money, so yeah minimal works well for me.

  278. zito says:

    No worries @cryptic…I dont swing that way…..I honestly pay little attention to what their expectation says…I know what I am willing to give, Ive played this game long enough…I should search for more minimal girls though, they sound like maybe they are more independent…..which I love profiles claiming independence, yet they need a sd…lol

  279. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Zito – I agree with you about Tatts and piercings etc. I have seen some pretty girls on here but they wreck themselves. Those nose rings some have look like they are dripping snot. Not into tongue rings either, don’t want to taste metal.
    I read your profile too, we’re quite similar although I am also a SD so we’re not hooking up, sorry. lol

    @Zito & ONSD – I have found that there isn’t any consistency with the women wanting substantial. Very few are what I would consider to be off the charts hot and some are barely average. I just put it down to an ego complex and I move on. The ones who want Minimal fascinate me actually, they are often really cute and aren’t looking for allowances so much but more a decent casual boyfriend type. I find humility really appealing and self entitlement a turn off so I guess that is the appeal for me.

  280. Josh says:

    @Cuc, thanks for the detailed response from a ho’s point of view. That said, read #3 above.

  281. Josh says:

    @Cus, thanks for the detailed response from a ho’s point of view. That said, read #3 above.

  282. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Cucumber – sorry meant to read your comparison to a rental film is INCORRECT.

  283. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Cucumber – Brothel’s are legal in Australia as well. If the prostitute doesn’t want to have sex with the client than she is not entitled to keep his money. Your comparison to a rental movie is correct as if I rent a movie and I decide not to watch it than that is my problem, however if I rent a film and then get home and see the film does not work or is not the one that is shown on the cover than I am entitled to a refund or replacement.

    In Australia also if I hire an escort and she turns up and I am not happy with her, I can send her away without paying a cent, this is before any sex occurs of course. The escort has the same right to refuse her services but of course will not get paid. Business is business, you don’t get to keep money without supplying the service.

  284. CucumberOnLids says:

    Hmm serious blog discussions for a change? lol

    Umm ok I’ll bite

    Rhetorical question…

    1. Prostitution is legal in Germany.
    2. A ho takes money from a client.
    3. The client did not break any of the rules of the establishment.
    4. The ho decides to not have sex with the client but does not want to give him his money back either.
    5. He forces himself upon her.
    6. Can she claim rape?

    Yes. Rape is still rape. No is still no. What if he arrived with a terrible case of B.O. or something worse (not sure what could be worse). If he was required to appear freshly showed then he may have misrepresented himself. She can clearly refuse services and keep the money. It’s like taking out a rental where just because you didn’t watch the movie doesn’t mean you don’t pay for the membership.

  285. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online have fun

  286. Jaybird923 says:

    @Zito That one I know. My nieces taught me LOL LMAO TTYL BRB. I just text in proper english it takes a little longer but at least everyone know what I’m saying :)

  287. zito says:

    for your information….lol….is laughing out loud…..haha

  288. zito says:

    I am sorry…I will type everything out for everyone from now on…lol…..I am just used to typing in text lingo now…my bad…lol

  289. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I hesitated…but I’m running off to an evening business function…so I had to get it off my mind before leaving…I’ll be off for a bit (if things are moving along well, I might check in)…otherwise, tomorrow everyone!

  290. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – exactly 😉

  291. Jaybird923 says:

    @online don’t feel bad I didn’t get it either. I thought it was a typo lol I’m glad you were brave enough to ask

  292. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – sad part…I’m younger than you 😉

  293. MissLady says:

    lol and we know how you are about the visuals onsd

  294. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – we’re email, not text for communication…and she’s not big on the lingo, and a lot more visual in messaging 😉

  295. zito says:

    @online…you said it…not me…lol

  296. MissLady says:

    lol @ONSD, you might need to be taking some lesson from student about texting lingo….

  297. zito says:

    @russian…I like my women short…the shorter the better….just my preference…models sound high maintenance to me…no thanks

  298. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – wow…I can’t believe I missed that…now I feel old…

  299. zito says:

    @jay…its all good…no worries…I take breaks from sa for periods, cause I cant deal with the weeding through process…I am currently on one of those breaks…lol

  300. zito says:

    @online…idgaf= i dont give a fuck…lol….i say live n let live….do what you feel is right

  301. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – didn’t understand your last post “idgaf”?

    $100 an hour for a dance…that must be some dance!

  302. Jaybird923 says:

    *edit to last post* you’re satisfied with the quality of POTs you’re getting

  303. MissLady says:

    Very true Russian.

  304. Jaybird923 says:

    @Zito I didn’t say anything about your personality or any of your other attributes. If what you’re doing works for you and your satisfied quality of POTs you’re getting then by all means keep doing it. My statement was a general one it was not aimed at you specifically.

  305. RussianSB says:

    About models – nowadays every crocodile with professional pictures try to represent herself like model. Guys, all models 175-185 tall. No exeptions.

  306. zito says:

    @online….idgaf…..but thats just me…lol

  307. MissLady says:

    cleanliness is next to godliness….

  308. Jaybird923 says:

    Sounds like a pro to me also

  309. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – that was what I was thinking…especially with the other text!

    So, @zito and & @Miss – should she be reported as a pro, to clean up the site, or should I just move on and forget that I clicked on the profile?

  310. MissLady says:

    lol, sounds like the instagram model crowd…

  311. RussianSB says:

    Yeah, one very rich friend of mine, lost 40 pounds, just to attract models into sugar arrangement. He say – money is not enough to get them !
    But, I still stick to market rules – you are buying or you are the product !

  312. zito says:

    yeah, se is a pro….theres quite a few strippers on here drumming up business….had one want me to come to her house to have her dance for me for 100$ an hour….I was like…nah Im good

  313. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Here’s a quick question for everyone…if a SB lists herself as a model, all her profile pics are two-piece (bra-panty or bikini) and her preferred place to meet to see if there’s a connection is a strip club (I’m sorry, gentleman’s club) should she be considered a pro? I’m leaning toward pro, especially when she wants inquiries for her as a model for appearances as well…

    Should this profile be reported as against the TOS for SA?

    I doesn’t seem like “sugar” to me…but I will defer to those on blog for direction…

  314. zito says:

    @jay…I have personality…lol….like I said, i am just me, blunt, honest and reliable, and i certainly know how to communicate….I guess I never looked at it as selling myself, I am just me being me, seems to have worked so far

  315. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online Sorry didn’t know :-))

  316. Jaybird923 says:

    That’s the issue most SDs run into they think that all they have to do is be willing to shell out the cash in order to land the girl. While that strategy will work for some of the women who don’t care what you look like, personality, etc. It won’t work with the quality women who won’t enter an arrangement unless there’s chemistry, mutual attraction, etc.

    If all you want is some one to meet you once a week for an hour on her back then fine but if you want some one genuine who wants to spend time with you. You have to put in the work to attract her otherwise you get stuck with mercenary chicks.

  317. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – sshhhhh…you’re not supposed to tell SDs they are selling themselves for the hottest and best girls…that’s a secret 😉

    @zito – she’s exactly right! If you don’t see yourself as a salesman for your profile, you can lose the best thing that could have happened to you! One of my favorite authors is a HUGE proponent to ALWAYS selling yourself and being in that sales mindset…make sure you’re ready!

  318. zito says:

    @Jay….I guess I just dont see being blunt and honest as selling myself…but I see your point

  319. Jaybird923 says:

    @Zito I have to disagree with you. Everyone is selling themselves no matter what side of the sugar bowl you’re on. You want the hottest best girls and so does every other man. The one who can sell himself the best is the one who walks away with the girl.

  320. zito says:

    @jay…I for one am big into watching a female masturbate…lol

  321. zito says:

    Yeah, if youre not open to exploration ….im out, but I find this stuff out before I ever go out on a first date….I ask alot of questions before I actually meet

  322. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online Believe or not some girls don’t explore their own bodies. Masturbation for woman is not something that’s really discussed and there’s a certain taboo attached to it for girls. But I get where you’re coming from.

  323. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – I should clarify…I like a woman who understands what she likes, can direct me, BUT IS OPEN TO EXPLORING 😉

    Oh, and she should be as observant to what I like to reciprocate the pleasure!

  324. zito says:

    Im with @online….im not interested in teaching….give me a woman who knows what she likes and can direct me…lol

  325. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I understand that…but she would have to have not explored her body before to not understand what she might like, or what feels “good” to her…her past experiences with the “self-gratification” crowd can shape what she THINKS she likes (because that’s what she’s told she’s good at)…but she really would need to be a virgin to not know what makes her feel good, and that is where awkward and lack of body presence can make sex boring for me…

  326. zito says:

    @jay….im not trying to sell myself…im a buyer not a seller….lol

  327. RussianSB says:

    Cannot agree, young boys last years VERY enthusiastic about pleasing girl/woman. Let’s put it on account of technology breakthrouh ! But worls is changing.

  328. Jaybird923 says:

    @zito worse sales pitch ever lol

  329. zito says:

    I agree 100% @jay…..for me, yeah young and pretty and tight body is great, but it really isnt worth the drama and bs that comes with that package, and it is tough to mentor this generation who think they know it all and are entitled to everything….i just end up saying…ok…good luck with that…lol

  330. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online LOL She doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin. While most teens/women are more sexually active now a days, If you think about the age group of some of the women (right out of high school/college) than it’s most likely that the guys they have had sex with are in the same age group.

    And those guys tend to be more about quantity and self gratification rather than making it enjoyable for your partner. So being with a mature man that cares and knows how to please her might be why she’s so “enthusiastic”. Maybe it’s her first time really experiencing real pleasure or a proper orgasm with a partner. That’s another aspect to take into consideration.

    And yes I did see how you handled the possible issue :-))

  331. zito says:

    I may not be the best at everything, or anything…i have no idea….but what i bring is passion and a can do attitude…lol

  332. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – side note – did you see how I tackled a possible issue with a new poster?

  333. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – hahahaha…as stated before…I could be the best at SOMETHING, but probably NOT the best at EVERYTHING…unless she’s a virgin, then I’m going to get bored because she doesn’t know what she likes and she’ll probably be too “giddy” with each orgasm to keep it fun for me…

  334. RussianSB says:

    @LourenP19921 – tell me, please, is it true, that in your woods, on traditional dates everybody split the bill ?

  335. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – yes…I agree…it’s frustrating sometimes, even when you’re IN an arrangement, to get the scheduled or spontaneous taken care of to!

  336. Jaybird923 says:

    “but if everything is “great” then there’s probably very little that is even any good to her ”

    @Online Maybe you’re just the best she’s ever had :)

  337. Jaybird923 says:

    @Seeking I’m in NYC

  338. RussianSB says:

    OnlineNewbieSD, why, for spontaneous I also have time ! At Wensdays from 4:30 till 18:15 :))))))

  339. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Lauren – are you not seeing success on SA?

  340. RussianSB says:

    At least , I have sheduled ! Some blogers don’t have it at all ( both boys and girls), just going on endless meetings with pots, that maybe never ends up in arrangement rrrrrrrrrr :)

  341. MissLady says:

    @zito I want to read what you are bringing to the arrangement, not just what you want out of it

    Always the million dollar question that sometimes doesn’t get conveyed properly…

  342. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian…the scheduled sex meets can be VERY sexy…and fun…but I agree with @Miss…the spontaneous quickie that just develops because your morning meeting reschedules and your SB didn’t have anything on her calendar until later, now THOSE are sexy 😉

  343. LaurenP19921 says:

    wish i could have gone. maybe the next one..

  344. RussianSB says:

    I guess not punctual people never get laid in big cities… because everybody busy, everybody appreciate their time. So, if you cannot make it – you cannot make it !

  345. MissLady says:

    lol @Russian, but sometimes spontaneous is sexy too…

  346. zito says:

    @russian….less sexy if only one shows up…lol

  347. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – I would rather have a woman who says, “just a little to the right” and honestly begs me for more, than one that acts through it all and rarely asks for more…could she STILL be acting after directing me and begging me, yeah, and I’m fine with THAT level of acting…but if everything is “great” then there’s probably very little that is even any good to her 😉

  348. RussianSB says:

    In big cities sex always sheduled. It is sexy, if both show up :)

  349. zito says:

    I want to read what you are bringing to the arrangement, not just what you want out of it….hell, i know what you want out of it at the end of the day

  350. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – I would agree…I’ve suggested it as a forum if SA gets the forum approach launched sometime soon…with a SB and a SD moderating each of the perspectives (yes, I do think there are differences between the SB and the SD profile construction and writing)

  351. Josh says:

    Honest people are primarily boring. I like good actors and actresses.

  352. MissLady says:

    Maybe that should’ve been one of the classes at the summit ONSD, profile writing

  353. SeekingAttraction says:

    @Jaybird, I am of course in the Biggest of Apples. Where else would there be an unending supply of attractive and well-educated SBs. And you?

  354. MissLady says:

    All very good traits zito!

  355. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – I talk about profiles ALL THE TIME…it’s the “resume” of the Sugar Bowl…what would you do with a resume with bad grammar and punctuation…if the cover letter complained about the responses the applicant had received, complaining about the resume (but the resume was full of these issues) how would you respond?

    I avoid the “women”, “collage”, “plutonic”…they are all indicators to a person who does not take care of her profile (read as resume or professional life) which is an indicator of a person who may not take care of her personal life either…may be a bit blunt, but I want someone who is looking for a hand up, not a hand out…which means she’s MOSTLY got her life together, just needs some help making better decisions and understanding the many options available to her!

  356. zito says:

    @miss….my profile is exactly like my personality…blunt, honest and to the point

  357. MissLady says:

    lol @ Zito depending on your audience, they might not even notice anything.

  358. MissLady says:

    @ONSD I find that comments are skewed as belligerent or arrogant if it was something the reader didn’t want to hear usually.

    lol, yes I fixed it, edits never hurt…

  359. zito says:

    Im going to go reread my profile…lol

  360. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – the key to YOUR sentence…”until I had reread it”…I’ll bet you fixed it…

    It amazes me the frustration in a profile that was added after the initial text…without checking the remainder of the text for errors…if you can’t fix glaring errors in your profile, you’re NOT going to attract anything but the bottom-feeders!

  361. MissLady says:

    and lol @ the mutually beneficial to us both, I did that once until I had reread it a while later lol

  362. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – yes, it IS a fine line…with very little grey area when it is by text (without visual cues to facial and body language accompanying)

  363. MissLady says:

    @ONSD it can also be belligerent and arrogant…

    ahhhh, the fine line…

  364. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – honest and upfront CAN be very sexy…it can also be belligerent and arrogant…

  365. zito says:

    @russian…I disagree, an honest upfront woman is extremely sexy

  366. RussianSB says:

    He can make me 100% kept women, but prefer to econom hiss assets, so everybody happy :)))))

  367. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – the daughter’s friends pool party…I think I’ve seen that one before…two versions…one was with paperwork in place as porno, the other was evidence at trial for sex offender 😉

    I understand the argument though…you’re right…if I wanted “friends” I wouldn’t be on THIS site, that’s for damned sure!

  368. RussianSB says:

    He knew what he sign up for ! I am honest and upfront (that is also not very sexy)

  369. RussianSB says:

    Another plus for 40y.o. SB, unlike 20y.o. they not looking for “plutonic ” frienship. The good answer to that (but rude unswer) will be : “If I want young friends, I will ask my daughter bring her friends por pizza party at our house. “

  370. zito says:

    nothing less hot than scheduling sex…lol

  371. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – that’s not working on the arrangement, that’s scheduling the arrangement…and it wouldn’t last long with me…I work on the arrangement and need to feel that there is work from the other end or it’s just wasted effort…I’m not into wasted effort 😉

  372. RussianSB says:

    I am that hardworking girl – so I shedule sex (2 hours) with my SD at Sundays between manicure and shopping. He is whining all the time.

  373. Jaybird923 says:

    LoL There you go defaming my good name again. I don’t intentionally stir the pot my opinions just tend to differ from most people.

    Any ways I have to disappear for about an hour my last group of new hires I are coming in for orientation. Don’t have to much fun without me. :)

  374. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – I understand the logic…it takes a bigger allowance for those already receiving tens of thousands from their trust fund each month to make an impression…those who are “on scholarship” will be impressed and appreciative of anything and everything they get from a SD…it’s a great formula, if you can cut through the filters and actually get the data early enough in the process to make it work for you!

    Oh, and YES, SBs need to WORK for the “right” allowance and intimacy…otherwise they blend into the escort-wallpaper that is prevalent online!

  375. Jaybird923 says:

    “you’re going to make me shower my computer with drink”

    @Online Why is that so many peoples reaction to the things I say. lol

  376. zito says:

    Oh hell no…I love a woman that stirs the pot

  377. RussianSB says:

    Young girl need to work hard nowadays to get laid !LMAO
    “He filters them out based on how much in need-based scholarships they receive since he doesn’t want trust fund babies or women who were born with silver spoons in their mouths; he likes to know they truly busted their butts to get there. “

  378. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – be careful…you’re going to make me shower my computer with drink!

    Choosing your words can make or break an interaction…in her case, it broke…

  379. Jaybird923 says:

    @Zito Me? An instigator? Not I sir. LOL please refrain from defaming my good name.

  380. zito says:

    @jay…youre an instigator….lol……I live my life never expecting anything….makes life less complicated that way, with less disappointment

  381. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – I hear you on that…it’s different if you can be a mentor for school or early career choices (maybe even internship and/or employer eventually) but “friend” just isn’t “mutually beneficial” enough for my sugar experience 😉

  382. Jaybird923 says:

    @Zito Then you are fortunate even with vetting sometimes the chemistry just doesn’t work face to face. And like I said I have no objections if you want/choose to drive to meet a POT. All I said was it’s a nice gesture that should be appreciated not expected.

    @Online I can’t imagine why didn’t you like her answer lol You wanted her to drive up to see you for free? Her time is too valuable

  383. zito says:

    I love the younger womens profiles who say….i want to be friends and a companion…..what the hell am I going to do with an 18-22 yr old friend?…lol

  384. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – neither have I…

  385. zito says:

    @online…I have never payed for a woman to “be there”

  386. zito says:

    I dont know. I am really blunt by nature, I think my profile exudes that, upfront and honest is the only way I roll. its easier for me since im not married either

  387. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I had a conversation once (fleeting, but a conversation nonetheless)…with a profile that was over an hour’s drive…I expressed concern about the distance, because I did NOT have business in her area, asking if she had reason to be my direction and location…the quick response was “why should that matter? if you’re paying me to be there, I’ll be there”…thus ended the conversation…

  388. zito says:

    @jay…I have no problem driving to meet a woman, and I prefer it, just how I was raised, plus I do my vetting beforehand, which is why before I go I know what will most likely be happening, Im not big on the surprise thing. Ive only had one date where it just went nowhere

  389. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @lovely – I appreciate the co-ed as well…but do not discriminate against those early in career or even mid-career…as long as she is hard-working, understands the value of money and time and honest interactions…

    there needs to be some believability between each other, and an openness to acknowledge that very little in life is everlasting…so sugar can change and it is best to be honest than to let it sour or harden against each other!

  390. zito says:

    @online….yes, and i hate the tats and the shit in their face look….i just keep swimming past…lol

  391. lovelynyours says:

    Yeah, I think IRL is key for that particular strategy. Him and I didn’t chat about it at length, but I do know he doesn’t search online. I’m certain it could be found online, but you might spend a LOT more time to find them – especially when you also take into account any physical or age preferences.

    I have another buddy who lives in Boston, searches IRL, and focuses exclusively on MIT and Harvard campuses. Highly accomplished, hard-working, yadda yadda. He filters them out based on how much in need-based scholarships they receive since he doesn’t want trust fund babies or women who were born with silver spoons in their mouths; he likes to know they truly busted their butts to get there. He’s got a preference for college girls, though, so that approach makes more sense for him.

    Tons of ways to go about it, but you have to be creative and open.

  392. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online yeah I remember discussing that with you before. It was general statement not specifically meant for your personal situation. There are always exceptions..

  393. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I forgot to add a Gentleman is always appreciated. So don’t think I’m advocating that you should stop meeting POTs in locations that’s convenient for them. That’s also something that should be appreciated and not expected

  394. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – that’s a great concept…I think we’ve discussed this before…with my location, there’s little between the metros that are an hour away to make it at all discreet (the banjos in the background when “outsiders” eat at a restaurant are a DEAD giveaway to something outside the “norm” happening)…so…I would rather schedule business in HER area and have coffee first thing, lunch mid day or end my day with a drink before heading home…or find out she has something to do in my area where she can easily make meeting me a PART of her day, rather than the sole reason for her travel to my town.

    I guess I was talking LONG distance…like flying someone into town…that’s where a SD should step up and make the arrangements…if it’s just an hour or so drive, suck it up and hope he gives you a gift card that will either put gas in your tank or new shoes on your feet 😉

  395. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @lovely – that’s a GREAT concept…if you have the audience…I just don’t have it locally…although, some of my more memorable arrangements in the past were with people that matched my drive and motivation (and industry)…which made it easier to work “together” on the sugar.

    If I need to look again, I’ll probably focus on IRL, or those on SA in my industry that are unhappy with situation at work, but understand the commitment needed to be successful…it’s a GREAT combination!

  396. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I don’t think anyone should expect or ask for reimbursement for transportation.If it’s offered accept it graciously and express genuine appreciation for the gesture. Because he didn’t have to do it.

    Both parties are investing their time into something that might not pan out. It’s just a risk you take. If $40 is to much of an investment for a POT SD then you probably shouldn’t go at all.

    If you’re meeting someone that’s over an hour away from you. You guys should meet at a location that is central to the both of you for a first meet to be fair.

  397. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – do you also find a significant number of profiles with piercings and/or tattoos that would limit the “business” appearance of SBs?

    I just love to see the “take me out on the town” “I’ll be your arm candy at corporate events” and when you click on the profile, she’s got three piercings around her mouth, two in her nose, another in her cheek and about 5 in each ear…with tats across her neck and cleavage…um…not AT ALL presentable in any of MY business events!

  398. lovelynyours says:

    Online – to eliminate the issue of self-entitlement mentalities, a good friend of mine (who is an SD in NYC) only pursues SBs who have or have had high pressure professions. Wall Street, major ballet companies, BigLaw, etc. His position is that if they’ve dealt with client b.s., long, grueling hours, and have that level of skill/intelligence, they truly understand and appreciate what’s required to make that cash. They know how to work for it. He also prefers those women who hate their jobs – so that they’re more apt to want to quit if offered a full-time position as a kept woman. He likes the intelligence, hard-working spirit, but not the lack of flexibility. So, his parameters are narrow, but he seems to do okay in a city like NYC. I think it’s a pretty genius approach, if you can pull it off.

  399. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I just love the “mutually beneficial to both of us” statements in profiles…um, yeah, mutually beneficial IS beneficial to both of us…do you work in the Department of Repetitive Redundancy Department?

  400. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – on the plus side…I’m seeing more of those entitled attitudes on the higher end Expectation Levels, which IS easier to sort out…and the ones on the lower end of the Expectation Levels are usually only active for a short period of time, since they realize they’re just going to be used and abused by the lowest-hanging-fruit crowd on SA, sometimes crawling back to BP or Eros where they started their “sugar” journey…

  401. zito says:

    Oh the horrors of the spelling errors and grammar are atrocious

  402. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Oh, and before you SBs say “how would you react if a SB invited you to an event where SHE was interviewing multiple SDs?” Let’s consider:

    There ARE more than one SB for every SD in raw number members…
    There are far fewer “real” SDs than SBs…
    That dominate a position from a SB will limit her market already…

    I’m JOKING…damn…lighten up! 😉

  403. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – agreed…lots to sift through…and little help in the filter options to eliminate profiles with the words “deserve” “worth” “plutonic” (because she doesn’t know the difference between that and platonic) etc.

    I wonder how difficult it would be to arrange a small group event…an audition of sorts…invite 10 profiles…let them KNOW they are being invited to a small group event, where you are interviewing the GROUP for a new SB…tell them you will start an arrangement with someone in attendance, what the range of allowance and gifting would be…tell them you will interact with them all at this event, but you want them to know there are a few opportunities you’re considering…

    How would you SBs react to an invitation from a SD like that?

  404. zito says:

    Im with @online

  405. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I am a gentleman…I still believe the SD should visit the SB’s location for a first meet…make it as convenient as possible for her to be on time and perfectly presentable…IF I were to consider a longer distance arrangement, I would still want to travel to her for the first meet…IF I were so smitten with a profile that I wanted to see her sooner than I could get to her location, I MIGHT consider setting up travel for her to get to me…but it would have to be some profile to consider it!

  406. RussianSB says:

    Lovelynyours, don’t you know, that girls in 30$ shoes want minimum 5000$ per month ? It is rule :) While my gorgeous friend with 3 appartments in city center, E-cup( natural), all covered in De Grisogono jewels – will be happy with 3000$ per month, because her lover (14 years together) suddently broke up with her and she never work one day in her life !

  407. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Russian – agreed…any SB profile that says, “I want to look good for my SD, he should want me to look good for him” means “I think someone should pay for all the fixing my face and body needs to look presentable in public”

    If you can’t make YOURSELF look good for someone else, you’re probably an ugly person INSIDE AND OUT!

  408. zito says:

    @online….I am mainly talking about in profile searching….so many you have to weed through….and frankly just laugh at….I am good mainly when i talk to a woman and or meet one in person, but theres alot of crap to sift through

  409. Jaybird923 says:

    @Russian some companies do pay for your transportation depending on how badly they need/want you. I had one company pay for round trip airline ticket from Miami to Baltimore for a position they really wanted me to consider. (it was coach on southwest but still lol) But I get where you’re coming from and I am in agreeance with you about the transportation thing.

    But for the Lady with $30 shoe the whole reason she’s looking for a SD is so she can improve her quality of life. What would you have her do? ASk the new SD for another $30 shoe?

  410. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito – it can be difficult to find that lack of entitlement, especially when you combine that with a desire for “honesty”…up front, however, is something used quite often…

  411. RussianSB says:

    “I have nanny, kids, mani-pedi, my time is precious ” – absolutely your problem ! Especially kids. If you cannot afford mani-pedi, do it yourself !

  412. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – exactly…especially when it’s as easy for a student as connecting with their college email!

    That’s a frustration of mine…as a SD…on the homescreen, there are the tabs for the different classifications of SBs “College”, “Newest”, “Premium”, “Background Checked”…there’s one more, but I’m blanking…the “Premium” and “College” are significantly similar locally, because it’s that easy to get the premium with the college email address…

  413. Lovelynyours says:

    Russian, you truly crack me up. “$30 dollar shoes”. I can’t stop giggling.

  414. RussianSB says:

    It is so entertaining, when lady live in cheap area, coming to date in 30$ shoes and asking for intimacy to buy her iPhone6 !
    If you even cannot afford transportation fare, don’t play ” I am so hard to get ” game.

  415. zito says:

    I personally could mainly care less about age of a sb, I just want honesty upfrontness, and someone with a lack of self entitlement

  416. RussianSB says:

    About travel expenses, I will be on SD side. Sane SB must live in the city senter, if she live in the woods, it is absolutely her problem, and cost of transportation too. Yes, Real SD will offer to come to your area, but if you live in the woods, do you really will made him do so ?
    When you go to the city to several job interwievs, do company pay for your cab/bus ? Nope.

  417. MissLady says:

    lol, if they’re going to lie, they could at least get a premium account and hide their joined date!

  418. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @zito & @Jay – I believe it is either:

    “Friends say I look XX, so that’s what I’m using”
    or
    “I know guys are looking for young, so I’ll just keep it really young to make sure they find me”

    She did look 19 to me, but I’ve seen 14yo that looked 19 and 29yo that looked 19…it all depends on surroundings. I once “insulted” a girl because she was standing next to a friend and I asked her friend if she would introduce me to her mother (they were both 17yo, I thought the younger looking one was about 14 and the other at least late 20s)…

  419. zito says:

    Ive seen that numerous times…sb 18 or 19 who joined the site 2 years ago….umm ok, good luck to you honey….ill just keep going lol

  420. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online lol Got to love the stupid they offer the rest of us so much free entertainment. I guess she was hoping no one would notice but it’s more likely that it never crossed her mind that it would be a red flag.

  421. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I just saw a profile in my search…19yo local girl…reasonable expectations…click through to the profile and it says she joined the site in March of 2013…I’m not sure she joined the site at 17, since there is a minimum age of 18…so…how does she expect ANYONE to take ANYTHING she says as reality?

  422. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – I agree…a LOCK DOWN of technology would be required…but…I’m married, so there’s that to consider…a single SD might not be as concerned about SOME of the publicity?

    @Jay – I never thought of it that way…thanks for the different perspective…you’re probably right…the SDs there WERE probably used to the “type” and the “fresh meat” from the summit might have been just ripe for the picking…and probably open to some manipulation and joint ventures as well…

  423. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online for some reason getting a first hand account of the party has been difficult. No one’s coming forward on the blog and I can’t find anything on the web except for articles from the press. And they all pretty much say the same thing. I wouldn’t be to concerned about the SDs being fed to the sharks.

    I’m guessing the type of men who were drawn to this event are experienced predators and the new “sharks” were out of their league. I’m pretty sure they got their monies worth. A room full of delusional, gullible women trying to out do each other to win one of the few SDs available. can’t beat that.

  424. Josh says:

    I literally fail to understand WHY o WHY the press is there, or even a camera phone for that matter.

  425. LFdM says:

    I find it mildly hard to believe that any real SD of the sort that would use SA would go to that party. At least not the ones with two brain cells to rub together. Press? A chance to meet a whole bunch of unvetted, unfiltered (except for being in one of the most expensive markets in the world), money and publicity seeking women? Are you insane?

  426. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – it took me a minute…and typing a “what do you mean” message to get your reference…I’m sure it’s not appreciated, but it’s probably the feel attending (on both sides)…

    Hopefully a SD that attended is lurking and can elaborate on what it was like, because THIS is how my brain is processing it:

    Entering the ballroom (wearing a mask because there is obvious media coverage at the event) there are immediately a swarm of cocktail dresses, heels and coiffed hair circling…as I make my way to a table, there are a dwindling number of women circling me with questions about make and model of car, title, income, assets, disease status, allowance level, gifting level in addition to allowance level, travel expectations, etc…until there was just one or two women at the table with me…then…I look at these women and wonder why I attended the event…

    I think freestyling would be a better use of time…especially if the commentary online about the teachings to the SBs are accurate…it would have been feeding SDs to the sharks, all excited and deluded from the stories and the training…

  427. Josh says:

    Welcome back @ONSD

    SA should rename their parties J&H Party.

  428. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Okay…finally read through this post about the party…there were over 100 SB at the Summit…and over 300 SB and SD at the Party…if the ratio were correct in the marketing, that would be roughly 30 SD to 300 SB (they were marketing better than 10:1 SB to SD ratio in pieces running up to the event).

    With that ratio, it would be a veritable cat fight for the SDs!

    However, I – personally – do no think it would be a place where I would exchange phone numbers (even a Hushed number) with a pot…it would be strictly a profile id exchange as far as I am concerned…even if I were single…

  429. Josh says:

    The Guru will pretty much leave you alone IF:

    1. You don’t bring toxic attitude toward men.

    AND/OR

    2. You are entertaining.

  430. Josh says:

    @Both of you are correct as the political entity was provided. 😉

  431. hototrot1 says:

    @Online
    “Good” is a matter of perspective. LOL Welcome back. I rarely agree with your POV, but you bring a human touch to the blog. Welcome back!

  432. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online No problem :)

  433. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – thanks…and thanks for checking on me…it’s good to know there are good people on blog 😉

  434. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online welcome back

  435. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    HOLY SHIT…what happened…I decide to spend a significant amount of time celebrating a family wedding and it seems the heavens opened up (or maybe it’s hell opened up) and problems erupted!

    I can’t wait until there is a forum where we can separate some of the differing opinions that tend to continually annoy each other…and for moderators on those forums who can quickly respond to issues that get personal and away from topics Sugar Bowl related!

  436. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh I agree with Sunshine. It is rape, one crime doesn’t excuse another. But I’m guessing that’s not the correct answer since it’s so obvious. So what is your answer to that Rhetorical?

  437. Jaybird923 says:

    @Hot The blog moderators, Of course. My mistake disregard the prior comment.

  438. Jaybird923 says:

    My morning 9am new hires didn’t show, but why would they get up that early for a job when the tax payers provide them with everything they need. So I’m free until 12 pm.

  439. hototrot1 says:

    @Josh
    “Those who don’t have respect for men in ggeneral on’t get respect from the Guru.”

    Is that the addendum/disclaimer to the quote I cited. Duly noted. You must be a lawyer or lawyer wannabe.

  440. Josh says:

    Those who don’t have respect for men in ggeneral on’t get respect from the Guru.

  441. Sunshine2Serenity says:

    @Josh
    I’ll bite. Yes it would be rape.

    However given that it is legal it is possible to report businesses that offer services and do not offer a refund if the service was not delivered. I believe these rules also apply to prostitues. So they could refuse but they couldn’t keep the money.

  442. hototrot1 says:

    @Josh

    Is this really hypothetical or/are you trying to see if you will get arrested or not? Somewhere along the lines of, “My friend did…” If you gotta ask, you know the answer.

  443. hototrot1 says:

    @Jay

    Actually, I was referring the blog moderators. But you can assume the title if it fits.

  444. Josh says:

    Rhetorical question…

    1. Prostitution is legal in Germany.
    2. A ho takes money from a client.
    3. The client did not break any of the rules of the establishment.
    4. The ho decides to not have sex with the client but does not want to give him his money back either.
    5. He forces himself upon her.
    6. Can she claim rape?

  445. jaybird923 says:

    @Josh I know she was refering to me so I acknowledge her. Go ahead I like thr sound of it :)

  446. NC Gent says:

    Hey Sunshine – I agree ignoring the troll is best, but most people can’t resist. Maybe if we all email Brandon and ask him for some nominal moderation something might happen?

  447. Josh says:

    @Jay, do we need to call you “officer” now? 😉

  448. Josh says:

    @Amber

    The blog used to have cum-talk sessions along with princess fantasy orgies only to be interrupted by men bashing sessions. Thousand-dollar shoes used to show up in SBs’ closets like there were no tomorrow.

    When the Guru started posting, all women posting as women, some women posting as men and all idiots declared that the blog had lost its quality.

    So the blog losing its proverbial quality is an oft repeated compliant.

  449. Sunshine2Serenity says:

    @Amber
    I wish they would moderate it a tad more. It’s fine to have disagreeing view points but the name calling and really derogatory comments should be removed.

    I think that’s part of why people kept feeding the troll. No moderator stepped in and said enough is enough so people felt the need to “set the record straight” :/.

  450. jaybird923 says:

    For once I agree with @Hot hopefully you guys work it I’m stuck doing orientations all day so I won’t be able to police the blog :)

  451. Josh says:

    Your insistence on not putting an extra “t” shows that you are invested in the word. It’s kinda like dying hair blue ad insisting that people should look past thru it.

    Note: Don’t worry the ladies pretending to be men will soon come to help you. 😉

  452. Amber B. says:

    This blog has lost its quality… I don’t understand the reasoning for all the name calling.

  453. hototrot1 says:

    But, my moniker is Hototrot1. There are no spaces. I will change nothing. You’re looking for a loophole to be disrespectful towards me. If I said I don’t like being called ho, that should be enough for you to refrain from using it.

    From the “5 Sugar Baby Types” Blog, you said to GP:
    “@GP

    What @Jay said falls in the category of “no means no”. If a woman (or a man for that matter) does not want to addressed in a certain fashion, it should be respected. It’s common courtesy.”

    Are you a man of your word or no?

  454. Josh says:

    If you did not mean Ho To Trot then change it. Your insistence on using the moniker tells another story.

  455. hototrot1 says:

    @Josh

    If you want to use a shortened version of my name, you may use hot or just not refer to me at all. It really isn’t that difficult. If I meant Ho To Trot, I would have included spaces in between those words. As you see, I did not. Go about your business and I’ll go about mine. The best would be to leave me and my name out of your mouth and we’ll have no problems.

  456. hototrot1 says:

    @Josh

    Please refrain from calling me “ho”. It is derogatory language and surpised it is tolerated by blog police. If you respect Jay’s right to not be called “sweetheart” don’t call me “ho”. You can have and share whatever your opinion is of me. But ho, will not be tolerated. HEAR THAT BLOG POLICE!!!!! If DaBomb is offensive because he uses gutter language than Josh is similar league calling me ho. I have said it numerous times that I don’t like it. So cease and desist!!!!!

  457. Josh says:

    @Catcher 22

    “Reb: When Guru Joshie and the Catcher are in agreement, you gotta believe the stars are in rare alignment. “Next” this guy and find a genuine SD.”

    Sweetheart, there’s no comparison between you and the Guru. Hurling insults at the Guru does not elevate your blog status.

  458. Josh says:

    @Catcher 22

    Sweetheart, @HoToTrot is not in the same league as @Struggle or @Kenna or @Jay or @Russian.

    @y and @cuc are in the same league as @ho.

  459. Catcher 22 says:

    …..”RussIanSB or YGBKM”…..

  460. Catcher 22 says:

    @Hot. I am guessing that successful SBs such as yourself, @Struggles, @KennaKenna would tell such a cheapskate just where he can go stick it. I shudder to imagine what his fate would be at the hands of RussanSB or YGBKM :-)

  461. Catcher 22 says:

    @Eloquence. Sorry, I do not know about SD writing one-liners on their profiles. However, I am seeing SB profiles with absolutely nothing written. Some with a pic. Some with no pic. What is going on there?

  462. Joey says:

    @hottotrot,

    If you are asking for subway fare then yes, asking for travel expenses is nickle and diming.

    But, for example, last night I had dinner with a fresh college grad who had just arrived back in town from seeing her family and was here in the big city to find a job. We had a nice dinner, and she agreed to think about an arrangement (I chase first timers – mostly girls who are looking for validation and mature attention as much as cash and need to be seduced as well as paid) and then it was time for her to head back home which would have taken a solid two hours in public transport. I put her in a Uber. Common courtesy. If, for some reason, a Uber was not available, I would have given her cab fare. But I prefer Uber – I don’t want girls scamming me for cab fare and then taking public transport home and feeling that they were paid for their evening.

  463. hototrot1 says:

    @Catcher

    I hadn’t read that. I was responding to some later comments. Guess, I need to scroll up instead of jumping feet first into a conversation. No way, would I agree to that. The guy I’m meeting tomorrow asked what was most convenient for me. And he’s the norm. I hadn’t taken distance into the equation, I guess I just assumed the guy would be considerate not to meet too far away from the POT SB.

  464. MissLady says:

    @Reb, a good one would’ve offered to cover the gas as soon as he suggested the meeting given the distance you have to drive. I’ve had in town dates that offered to cover gas money, some when we were setting up the date and some at the conclusion of the date.

  465. Joey says:

    @Reb, @Catcher,

    The problem with paying for a first meeting is that you end up with SBs who make a profession out of first meets.

    If the girl is not ready to make the time investment then she probably does not think she has the looks or she is not planning to get into a real SB relationship where she will make back her costs.

    On the other hand, if the girl likes me and I like her then I’m willing to escalate to a hotel room that night and then she will leave with enough to cover her travel time as well.

  466. zito says:

    I have never even asked a sb to travel to me, I just assume I will travel to them, and I have traveled up to 7hrs each way….guess my parents raised a gentleman. I wouldnt even consider asking a woman to travel to me unless I was compensating her…DUH

  467. Catcher 22 says:

    @Reb: When Guru Joshie and the Catcher are in agreement, you gotta believe the stars are in rare alignment. “Next” this guy and find a genuine SD.

    @ Hot. I would agree with you if the circumstances were different. In this case, Reb has to travel 1.5 hours each way for a drinks only first meet. . The guy asking her to do this is clueless and cheap. She should not have to ask. He should have offered. As a successful SB, would YOU agree to this?

  468. IHF2030 says:

    I have always picked up the tab for meals/drinks, and beyond that I would always offer cab-fare, gas money and even pay for a babysitter when dating in the non-sugar context. But these delusional sugarbabies who demand cash/gifts on a first meet are implying that my time is not valuable and that ticks me off.

  469. sad says:

    or there is an option for Premium members to ignore some people’s message?

  470. sad says:

    @NC Gent

    hi, yes he saw my profile but that was some months ago and we were talking at that time. but you discard he blocked me, right? because i sent him a message although he didn’t read it?

  471. hototrot1 says:

    I think its tacky to expect gas money or travel fare for a date. A plane ticket is a different story. If you’re flying to meet a guy, the deal should pretty much sealed IMO. Paying for dinner and not harassing about sex on the first meet is all I ask. Anything else is nickel and diming. Makes one look petty and out for every last crumb you can get off of a person. Not cute.

  472. Eloquence says:

    I have always wanted to know:

    Why do the masses of men only write “one liners” on their profile? And how can anyone reply to people if they are not active when you go to respond?

  473. Reb says:

    “Hey, if women can find hardup, sucker guys who are willing to shell out cash, site unseen for a first meeting, well more power to ;em!”
    I had a guy randomly give me a $500 online gift card without me asking before our first date. Although, I ended up bailing in the middle of the dinner date because he kept asking weird sexual questions like if I was into “role play”… :/

    Joey: I am a “small town” sb. I live in the country and I don’t think Uber comes to my area lol. Uber scares me, tbh. Still waiting on the SD’s response.

  474. Catcher 22 says:

    @Joey: Given the circumstances that Reb is traveling 1.5 hours each way for a drinks only -no dinner – meet, the pot SD would be a mannerly gentleman, not a “sucker” to offer her reasonable compensation for her expenses and her time. Please refer to dictionary for definition of “mannerly gentleman” as you do not seem to be familiar with the term.

  475. hototrot1 says:

    Some guy messaged me a few months ago that he wanted me to kidnap him with another person and abuse him in an assortment of ways. He said he was very serious. Weird. Why’d he pick me for that. Where in my profile did I say I was into that?

  476. Joey says:

    @Catcher22, for an SD to pay more than actual expenses for a first meet with no hanky panky is a sucker’s game.

    @Reb, does the SD know your costs? I suggest you ask him to either:
    1. Send you a Uber, or
    2. Comp your (reasonable) transportation costs, or
    3. Come to you

    I usually comp taxi fare coming and send them home in a Uber.

  477. IHF2030 says:

    Men who give sugarbabies cash/gifts, sight unseen for first meetings are only encouraging bad behavior. These delusional women think that only their time is valuable.

  478. lovelynyours says:

    To add to that, I’m not sure I’d ever ask. But that’s just me; one could argue that it sends the wrong message, as though you’d be the type who’s heavily reliant or expectant. Not all guys are going to be into that. It sounds like you already have asked, but in the future, I’d consider leaving that up to the pot SD to offer.

  479. Eloquence says:

    @ Rem

    I was just showing everyone another way of looking at the discussion. Women are having options, besides just the men these days, that is all.

  480. lovelynyours says:

    I’ve never had a pot SD reimburse my transportation expenses with cash til today. My date today told me he had trouble getting the Uber app, so he insisted on covering it via cash when I got there, which was sweet of him. Getting cash for it felt awkward somehow, I’ll admit. But it’s a nice and appreciated gesture, of course. So it does happen.

  481. rembodler says:

    @ Eloquence
    I do not haggle. If she asks for anything for the first date, I just never reply.

  482. Sunshine2serenity says:

    @NC Gent
    True to your name :).

  483. NC Gent says:

    Sb not san..sorry typing from my phone…

    IHF – I am not a sucker or hardup. $50 to $100 is very little money to me, but it can mean a lot to an SB who has incurred expenses to see me. I won’t call you derogatory names for your preferences though.

  484. IHF2030 says:

    Hey, if women can find hardup, sucker guys who are willing to shell out cash, site unseen for a first meeting, well more power to ;em!

  485. Eloquence says:

    My “Amazingly” was sarcastic. It’s obvious it works!

  486. Eloquence says:

    By the way, “Rent a Gent” exists and the men have to sign a contract to not have sex and they make $100.00 per date, no sex with clients. Ahhh hummm…So, why is everyone haggling that women are not to be given anything on a first date? Amazingly, it works with no sex and a long contract and it islegal as a dating service. A woman thought of it and brings in $20,000 a month.

  487. NC Gent says:

    If the San is traveling more than 30 minutes to meet me, I tell her in advance I will compensate her. I always compenate for reasonable expenses.

  488. NC Gent says:

    Sad – well did he view your profile? If he did, he isn’t that interested – sorry. He also could be getting tons of messages. Try someone else at this point though.

  489. Sunshine2Serenity says:

    Do you guys offer it without her asking or does she have to ask?

    I live about an hour from the city and I let the SDs I meet know that but I’ve yet to meet a guy who offers gas/parking money. Even my SD who is very much legit didn’t offer. I’m kind of shy about asking though on a first meet :/.

  490. IHF2030 says:

    I never give cash or gifts on a first meeting. I’m a gentleman so I will pay for lunch/dinner, drinks and even offer gas money or cab-fare but no cash.

  491. Jaybird923 says:

    @Catcher You just couldn’t resist :)

  492. rembodler says:

    @Reb says:
    “SDs… do you comp the girl for travel expenses if she sees you?”
    Regardless, I always give a POT some cash on the first (lunch or dinner, nothing else) date- as soon as she is not asking for it in advance.
    If she asks for it in advance, I next her.

  493. Reb says:

    Ok, thanks. I asked if he’ll compensate the $40.

  494. Catcher 22 says:

    @Reb: Listen to Muppet Guru on this one! This POT sounds like he is cast from the same creepy mold as DaBomb. You can do much better! You deserve much better!
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    @Reb: If the Pot doesn’t offer a travel expense of at LEAST $100 he is a cheapskate loser, not a real SD. A genuine SD would have offered to come to your city for the first meet. Fuggetabouthim.

  495. sad says:

    @NC Gent

    he’s a Premium member

  496. Anonymous says:

    @NC Gent

    he can’t ewad it? what do you mean?

  497. IHF2030 says:

    Ah, Czarina good to see you are in a better mood today.

  498. Josh says:

    For most SBs, $40 represents half day’s income.

    If you’re spending $40, a serious SD should compensate you for it plus some even if there’s no arrangement yet.

    If there’s arrangement in place then it’s between the two of you.

    If the SD does not have care for your finances, he’s not in the right frame of mind for sugar.

    The best way to get the most out of SD is to make time with him as fun as possible. Most women are boring as hell. You will stand out and command most out of his allowance range.

  499. Catcher 22 says:

    @Reb: If the Pot doesn’t offer a travel expense of at LEAST $100 he is a cheapskate loser, not a real SD. A genuine SD would have offered to come to your city for the first meet. Fuggetabouthim.

  500. RussianSB says:

    Good respond to DaBomb !

  501. Reb says:

    SDs… do you comp the girl for travel expenses if she sees you? Potential SD asked me to go for drinks next Monday. It takes me 1.5 hours to get down to the city and after everything, I can spend $40 in transportation. Plus, I don’t drink on first dates, so I’d be spending $40 basically for a glass of water. That’s why I prefer dinner dates.

  502. Eloquence says:

    Former Trader Joe’s president Doug Rauch is the founder of Daily Table, a nonprofit grocery store in Dorchester, Mass.

    Rauch said. “We’re trying to reach a segment of the population that is hard to reach. It’s the working poor who are out buying food, but who can’t afford the food they should be eating.”

    “Our healthy meal options will be priced to compete with the fast-food alternatives in the neighborhood,” Daily Table’s website states. “We’ll be doing all of this by recovering food from supermarkets, growers and food distributors that would otherwise have been wasted. Hunger & wasted food are two problems that can have one solution.”

  503. RussianSB says:

    Bulgaria, id sugar-free country, like Somali. So, I have real vacation here, but still…. but no ! Vacation !

  504. RussianSB says:

    Catcher22, if uou are American – you don’t need visa to Bulgaria.

  505. RussianSB says:

    Sunshine2serenity, you really have missed the party !

  506. RussianSB says:

    @sad, no, he just a ” writer “, they send letters to everyone and never respond. If guy have serioud intentions, he will contact you during one week via phone/skype, after first letter .

  507. Josh says:

    @Russian has been busy slaying imaginary dragons.

  508. Sunshine2Serenity says:

    @lovely
    Congratulations!! :)

    I feel like I missed half the party – all these posts that don’t make complete sense. Looks like you guys have been busy!

  509. NC Gent says:

    Sad – if he isn’t a premium member, he can’t ewad it. That is the most likely explanation.

  510. Jaybird923 says:

    @Sad if he blocked you, you wouldn’t be able to send the message at all. This means he sees them but just is not reading them.

  511. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh what’s so funny every good SB knows her worth lol

    @Catcher22 you are quite welcome

  512. Catcher 22 says:

    @Jay and @Russian: You lovely and brilliant ladies are, as always, right on target with your comments and opinions today! Thank you for livening up my afternoon “quiet time”. LOL. Now I am off to research the quickest way to obtain a Bulgarian visa :-)

  513. sad says:

    hi guys. i have a question. when i send a message to a person, it appears as has been sent but not read yet, althought this person is always online in fact this person changed his location. perhaps he blocked me?

  514. Josh says:

    @Jaybird923

    “@Seeking LOL Only if you promise to get me Burger and fries from a classy joint with checkered tablecloths and metal utensils. I know my worth :-))”

    LOL @ “I know my worth”

  515. lovelynyours says:

    Lol, just did that, MissLady!

  516. MissLady says:

    or @lovely you can just turn those notifications off so curiosity doesn’t kill the cat…lol

  517. Robert says:

    lol, you gave the SB’s a class on how to manage all the money they will make from their Sd’s :)

  518. lovelynyours says:

    That’s fair. I’d never search for another SD while I already had one, but I do keep getting these emails telling me people are checking out my profile – curiosity always gets the better of me. Now it’s just habit to view theirs as well. Didn’t really think of that aspect. In that case, the sooner we get into full swing and I can deactivate, the better.

  519. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lovely You’re welcome I say deactivate once you’re actually in the swing of things. Sometimes arrangements fall apart before they begin and you have to start your search all over again. Once you know it’s actually going to move forward go ahead and deactivate. But I would avoid logging in just in case, so he doesn’t thinks you’re searching for another SD.

  520. lovelynyours says:

    Thanks, Jay and Hot! I assume that if I deactivate my profile, I can still post here since my profile’s not linked, so I’ll still pop in and join the discussion now and again. SBs / SDs, when’s the right time to deactivate once you find your match, in your opinion? The moment we’ve agreed to move forward? Once we’re actually in the swing of things? Once he deactivates his? I’m somewhat new to this online thing. Thanks. :)

  521. hototrot1 says:

    @lovely
    “In other news, I think I might have found my SD. Just got back from lunch and we really hit it off and we plan to move forward. Ironically, he was the one who was initially offering far less than was ideal (as in 1/5th less) but who I clicked with really well in texts and via phone. Turns out, making the right things a priority pays off in more ways than one. He’s open to offering more than I could have ever imagined. More importantly, we had a lot of (PG-13 rated and platonic) fun today. Looking forward to seeing where this goes! ”

    Good for you, and I mean that sincerely. Nice to see people experiencing good things on this site. Good luck! You seem to know what you want and what works for you and that’s half the battle.

  522. hototrot1 says:

    Well instead of “real men” I guess I mean “classical men”. Of course we all have our own interpretations of what constitutes real, but isn’t it obvious that if I’m saying it, it’s my opinion. I think everybody talks about the same-o, same-o on here. The reason so many people fall off the blog. I don’t know why this particular exchange had people up in there feathers. But, then again, I came at the tail end of it. Even so, if I get bored with the conversation, I don’t admonish others, I just log off.

  523. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lovely Congratulations Wishing all the best:)

  524. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh Why thank you xoxo

  525. Jaybird923 says:

    @Seeking Oh la la Stainless steel! Thank god you didn’t say silver. I’d faint where I sit That would’ve been more luxury than I could handle. :-)) If they have cloth napkins also then you have a deal. What city are you in?

  526. Josh says:

    @Jay is da bomb not to be confused withh @DaBomb. 😉

  527. hototrot1 says:

    I’m not on the blog most days, so I don’t know where this on and on and on about a subject matter is coming from. I just popped in, saw some weird commentary and responded. Sorry Board Police.

  528. lovelynyours says:

    As appalling as I find it that he’s not being entirely truthful with his ladies, ultimately 1) they’re letting him do it, and 2) there’s always the possibility that they’re truly happy with simply being wined and dined. Though that sounds more like boyfriend status than anything else, I have to begrudgingly entertain the fact that they just might be okay with that. They might not be, but they might be.

    In other news, I think I might have found my SD. Just got back from lunch and we really hit it off and we plan to move forward. Ironically, he was the one who was initially offering far less than was ideal (as in 1/5th less) but who I clicked with really well in texts and via phone. Turns out, making the right things a priority pays off in more ways than one. He’s open to offering more than I could have ever imagined. More importantly, we had a lot of (PG-13 rated and platonic) fun today. Looking forward to seeing where this goes! 😀

  529. SeekingAttraction says:

    Jaybird, my crush on you is growing. You sure you won’t take me up on my offer? Not only will the utensils be metal, but stainless steel. Promise.

  530. Jaybird923 says:

    The real man is less of a figment of the imagination and more of an ideal born out of your personal experiences. And as such will vary greatly from woman to woman. The same way the description of an ideal/real woman will vary from man to man. It doesn’t make one ideal of a real man any better or any worse than another. All it simply means is that we have different needs and wants.

    So for one person Someone who gives you thousands and takes you on vacations to exotic locales is your ideal and a step up for you. But for another who has never been to a restaurant that wasn’t a chain. Someone who takes them to a fine dining establishment is her ideal and a step up for her. So the continuous bashing from people because what one person offer isn’t ideal for you is absurd.

    To each his own no need to look down on someone because what they offer is not what you’re looking for and there is no need to insult some one because what you offer is less than ideal for them. This all made sense in my head hopefully it makes sense to everyone else.

  531. RussianSB says:

    Don’t women want to meet sensual and understanding partner ?

  532. RussianSB says:

    I am not looking for real men – they are in fire brigade.
    I am looking for friends with benefits.

  533. Josh says:

    A man can be young, old, rich, poor, educatedz illiterate, brave, wimp, muscular, skinny, obese, etc., etc., etc.

    The “real” man is figment of women’s fertile imaginations…yes in plural…as there are as many “real” men as there are women collectives to cook up yet another definition of what a “real” man is.

  534. RussianSB says:

    Finesse, even I, poor Russian girl, know 3 guys with private jets, and some, who not own a plane but are sertified pilots just for pleasure.
    Sugar world is luxury world, not dinners with hot boys ending in boomboom.

  535. RussianSB says:

    I used to ask guys who openly declared in profiles that they are looking for wife, why they join SA ? They answer – girls more hot than on dating sites.
    So, everybody free to use SA as they wish !
    For me it works just as it was designed – nice sugardaddies + benefits + luxury lifestyle, not 3 star hotels in Cancun :)

  536. Josh says:

    I agree with @RussianSB. Those who are taking the vocabulary to lower levels should calm down and be creative with the language used.

  537. Jaybird923 says:

    For God’s Sake how long are you people going to keep this up? You don’t like his behavior, fine. He doesn’t like your opinions, fine. Agree to disagree and move on. What exactly is being gained by rehashing the same nonsense.

    Everyone keeps re-wording the same exact statements like they’re offering new insight or opinions that haven’t been expressed already. This is beyond juvenile at this point. It’s like watching prepubescent children on a playground Saying “I know you are but what am I” for hours.

  538. DaBomb says:

    @Finesse

    I don’t know anyone who has a plane. My bike and car are enough to get most women I meet wet.

  539. Finesse says:

    This conversation is hilarious.

    @DaBomb – you’re a funny guy. I don’t think this is the right site for you. Why do you think @FlyBoy’s plane is fake? Because you don’t know anyone who has one? In large cities, private planes are not uncommon. I don’t have one but I can’t even count on my fingers the number of people I know who do.

    @RealSD – I like spending $ on SB too.

  540. RussianSB says:

    He going to spend 50000$ during his life on dinners with timewasters from SA, same as he is. And 20 times he will get laid.
    He has balls and think he is smart ?
    Restaurants will die as a business $$$$ without all that daters !

  541. hototrot1 says:

    @RussianSB

    Always ON POINT!

  542. RussianSB says:

    Josh, I come to blog to kill some extra time, I don’t care if anonimous writers are real or not, and how many accounts they have. But you do.
    I care for blog enviroment stay without obscent slang, and bragging about how to use SA system ignoring its rules. You not care much about that .

  543. RussianSB says:

    No, DaBomb is not FunDude, just the same mentality …
    But it is the biotch we all know very good under other name !

  544. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    Since you chose to ignore the fact, @FlyGirl has the uncanny ability to take the conversation to toilet. If you scroll up you will find him calling others name, which they paid back in the same coin.

    If she did not this time around then it would be first for her.

  545. MissLady says:

    See I’m not missing much. What did you guys do with ONSD?

  546. Jaybird923 says:

    @DaBomb LMAO I shouldn’t but I find you vastly entertaining. Someone that won’t be bullied or shamed into leaving the blog. But I have one simple request, if it’s not too much trouble.

    Would you mind adding SOME before your statements since not all the blog SBs are giving you grief. They are smart enough to realize if they ignore you instead of attacking you, You’ll probably stop. :-))

  547. RussianSB says:

    MODERATERS, GURU, ANYONE

    Why I reading not appropriate language last 24 hours ?
    Please, block DaBomb !

  548. RussianSB says:

    Sick predators, maybe having issue with mother in chilhood, or severe bully older sister. Or cannot say to themselves that they prefer men, so just hate women for that. In US – where woman can report rape easily, they still want to play against rules ? It is high drive , like in casino … + endless upscale dinners :)

  549. LadyScarlett says:

    I can understand some of those young guys but the older ones…talk about focusing not focusing on any ‘meat’ in their lives…

    Most of the gamers were/are rejected by women, so gaming is their sad attempt at a ‘stick it’ moment. I cannot even read past a few of those posts as they are just sad individuals…I am all for men who are shy or socially awkward to gain confidence or insight into how to better interact with others in a social setting, but that is not what those forums are about.

  550. RussianSB says:

    But why they punish ladies on traditional dating sites ? Because biotches looking for life partner ?

  551. RussianSB says:

    It’s about using Game to bang SA girls without giving them anything. Well, a nice evening of upscale drinks and dinner is ok, maybe a gift you might give a girlfriend anyway after a while , but any cash or really expensive gifts are out of bounds here.

    @Why not invite escort and have 100% result for the money spend on upscale dinners. Sick guys, women haters, who want punish us , because, we biotches want allowance !

  552. Josh says:

    @Jay

    Correct. The aunties needs to back off. 😉

  553. Jaybird923 says:

    @Seeking LOL Only if you promise to get me Burger and fries from a classy joint with checkered tablecloths and metal utensils. I know my worth :-))

  554. DamnVixen says:

    Thanks RussianSB.

  555. RussianSB says:

    Elaine, you got mail ! But maybe in a spam folder (it happens ) because sent from russian site

  556. Elaine says:

    @Russian

    Well, I don’t really want to tell my location on this blog.
    I had the idea you might be close, but you are not when you are in Bulgaria. 😉

    If you’re bored and want to talk, we can do that off blog:
    elainesablog at google mail

  557. Elaine says:

    @DamnVixen

    If you would be in a D/s relationship, a Dom could order you to do something like that.
    Not even that uncommon in BDSM circles.

    But to send this to a SB you don’t even know, is an absolute no brainer!

    I don’t think he wants to get into SD profiles, he could simply make a fake SB profile to do so.
    He is just trying, and hoping to find a VERY submissive girl who gets off on these games and will do that for him.

    Report it to teach him that this is not an acceptable thing to mail in first contacts.
    I don’t know if he is really dangerous, but with these kind of guys you never know.

  558. LadyScarlett says:

    I think, there is no shame is cleaning up site from scamming women or men, and Brandon used to personally approve each profile from what I heard. But, that is not happening. I have never seen SBs that bragged about scamming men on blog in a similar fashion…and, often SBs on blog are ‘shamed’ into proving who they are, what they look like or show their profile.

  559. SeekingAttraction says:

    @JayBird Touche. I like your style. I think – actually I KNOW – that we would hit it off. Join me for a “date”? If you’re not local, I’ll fly you in…but no allowance!

  560. RussianSB says:

    Think my hardest struggle to make this site “work” is that I’m still younger than 25 which is pretty young to be a Sugar Daddy… but I have high income, so could definitely finance it.

    Will give it a week or two and see how it goes.

    No, you’re totally missing the point. This thread isn’t about being a real sugar daddy, any dork with money can do that.

    It’s about using Game to bang SA girls without giving them anything. Well, a nice evening of upscale drinks and dinner is ok, maybe a gift you might give a girlfriend anyway after a while , but any cash or really expensive gifts are out of bounds here.

    Not that I have any personal or moral objections to a SD/SB relationship- it’s probably a smart play for guys in certain situations, but that’s outside the scope of the thread and not allowable on the site.

  561. RussianSB says:

    LadyScarlette, thank you for site – every newbie will find it useful to read.

  562. LadyScarlett says:

    Yeah, I thought fundude did that, but they are so common now they trickled down into blog now, laughing at Brandon. I wonder, when one day the actual SA blog will become like these Rooshyyv forums or other similar ones, if Brandon will actually care or moderate, or allow to continue for ‘any publicity’ and membership rates increase with the bottom feeders….

  563. Jaybird923 says:

    This witch hunt nonsense is ridiculous. If you think he’s an ass then tell Dabomb he is. Everyone has a right to their opinions. Just like you have the right to yours. You don’t like what he has to say then tell him or ignore him but this whole BS of trying to fine his profile for a public shaming is beyond stupid. I’ve never seen any of you extend this much energy to out some of the SBs that post their garbage on the blog. Grow Up

  564. RussianSB says:

    LadyScarlette, of course, there is army of timewasters, he is not one, but come to the blog and proudly brag about – it is something new !

  565. NC Gent says:

    @DamnVixen – block and move on. They won’t do anything if you report him for that.

  566. RussianSB says:

    DamnVixen, while you new – 2 month you will be buried under such proposals.

  567. RussianSB says:

    Elaine – I am in Bulgaria, and you ?

  568. RussianSB says:

    Even, if he is just harmless “writer “, such BS always should be reported.
    Girls don’t care and just block it. Then , not surprise, we have that BS rain.

  569. RussianSB says:

    Technically he not only scamming SBs , but trying to get into profiles of actual SDs.

  570. Elaine says:

    @Russian,

    Yes, if I understood well, both you and Struggle are in Europe on holidays?

  571. RussianSB says:

    DamnVixen
    Copy all that BS (no matter, from your e-mail or SA mail ),
    Label it like “scam”, report to SA.

  572. RussianSB says:

    Elaine, in Europe ?

  573. RussianSB says:

    Why, Josh, if Guru and maderators don’t care that blog on fire, we can do something by ourselves.
    Some moron come here to insult our cool sugardaddies , some of them are serious people LTR (sugarbabies dooesn’t counts – we all w…), and he thinks
    he will get away with anonymity – because he is smart.
    Guys, everythig in the web stays in the web and can be tracked.
    Be polite to people !

  574. Elaine says:

    @Struggle,

    If you and @Russian happen to be close to me on your vacation addresses, it could be fun to try and meet!

    Have send you a mail. :-)

  575. Josh says:

    I knew it. @RussianSB is a spy. 😉

  576. DamnVixen says:

    @RussianSB … thanks! Nice to meet you! Will keep an eye out. Only a 36 year old Hispanic from Miami in the last few minutes who “favorited” me.

  577. NC Gent says:

    @Gentleman – you can borrow my boat but you will need to see Flyboy for the jet. I am guessing a few get lucky, quite a few get scammed and all give up eventually.

  578. RussianSB says:

    I mean – it only about 10 people wiev your profile last few hours, we can easily spot him, if he is not lying about his age 35. There maybe will be one 35 y.o.
    Looks like FunDude.

  579. gentleman soul says:

    @ NC Gent
    @GentlemanSoul – I saw that same profile. It was hilarious. There is a new trend now for online only. I wonder where that started.

    The bigger question is who feeds them ? I think some rinsers take a stab at it and hope for some sucker who will send them money for on line stuff. I guess that is what the Cam girls are all about and there seems to be a lot of sites like that . Do guys pay for pen pals who will maybe show some skin ? Just like escorts cruise Sugar sites Cam girls are too . In fact, if any SBs want to pay me for stripping on line I’m down for it . I’ll even include my yacht in the background or could borrow a buddy’s Falcon Jet for a little local color .

  580. RussianSB says:

    DamnVixen – I look into your profile (Sugar Kane K), so other bloggers do, then can you check people who wiev your profile ? Maybe we will calculate DaBomb profile that way ?
    Buy the way you look like typical young SB and have good profile. You will not have problems to find SD on that site.

  581. DamnVixen says:

    ROFLMAO @DaBomb (Yup, I was right. That was an admission right there.) I cannot tell you how THANKFUL I am that you don’t find me attractive. Just goes to show you that I and the women you “bed for burgers” are in two different leagues.

    @Jaybird923 – thanks for acknowledging the difference. DaBomb’s told us exactly who he is now, so I hope no one continues to take his opinion seriously.

  582. RussianSB says:

    I hope DaBomb will use a lot of girls from SA, so they will trash his picture and job profile all ofer internet on antidate sites. Maybe he will even lose his job.
    But he save all the money on sugar ! He will be fine !

  583. NC Gent says:

    @Russian – I have heard about those profiles. The SBs are welcome to ask for online only. I am sure there are a few rare guys looking for that. I actually prefer they state exactly what they are seeking so we don’t waste time. They usually stop logging in after a few days.

  584. RussianSB says:

    Thank you, Charlotte

  585. RussianSB says:

    NC Gent, I am not exusing that girl – but I run into 2 profiles of guys who declare, they want to be financial slaves. I am not joking.

  586. Charlotte says:

    Wow, some people are really classy on the blog.

    @Russian, it is one of perks of being an attractive slava who knows what she wants in life to be called names.

    Funny enough those who call you names neither looks better nor can fulfill your standards.

  587. NC Gent says:

    @GentlemanSoul – I saw that same profile. It was hilarious. There is a new trend now for online only. I wonder where that started.

  588. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh Why would any one take exception her comment 1) she used the qualifier GHETTO to say she was talking about a whole race of people 2) She used the politically correct term African American 3) Dabomb didn’t dispute the claim so apparently she’s right

  589. NC Gent says:

    The OCD narcissist has a new bff – how cute :)

  590. RussianSB says:

    Catcher22, thank you for your warm words !

  591. gentleman soul says:

    @DaBomb

    Careful now,you are talking about my Homies . We all have discussed differing ideas about what constitutes Sugar. Each to his/her own. There can be a little entitlement -to put it diplomatically. Some PTP,or better said pay an allowance weekly, and some pay monthly, and very few pay naught. perhaps you are one of the few. It is a rare SB who will give it up for free. My sphere of interest is the 20s. But as a married man I need ease of access and can not go out dating in the community ,and therefore attract an IRL lover for free. I like the business agreement -or arrangement -to keep the perspective where it needs to be . I do not want an Sb falling in love, dreaming about setting up home together .

    So share with us your concept of an arrangement and your experiences. How old are you ?

  592. RussianSB says:

    Sunshine to Serenity
    If first letter he write that I am so good that I look like marriage material to him. I answer that I am not looking for significant other, he – ok, then we will have some fun. One month decent human communication on Skype,we even not discuss meeting or arrngement ( because I am so bored vacationing, that I don’t mind to chat) and then, out of nothing – few days ago he poor a shit rain on me – haw dare I visit Seeking Arrangement whdn I fi d him, MILLIONAIRE !!! Biotc!Scam! W…. and many other nice words.
    I answer, that noway I deserve that histerica ( because in some cases I really deserve ) – answer – only more shit rain. I delete him and report to SA.

  593. Josh says:

    “They must think I am trying to be their BF and I have to listen to their shit.”

    Since @NC Gent is an idiot, he listens to his not-putting-out-wife’s, his SBs’ and even blog SBs’ shit.

  594. DamnVixen says:

    @Josh – some days it’s fun to troll the trolls.

  595. NC Gent says:

    Welcome to the blog DamnVixen. I agree it is pointless to argue with trolls on here, but quite a few people seem to enjoy it. Your comments are dead on :)

  596. Josh says:

    @DaBomb

    That comment by @Struggle represented how women-screwing-men is a cheerable phenomenon in the West. However, men screwing women in the exact same context is “oppression” and crime.

  597. Josh says:

    @Damn

    Let’s see how far your comment goes. 😉

  598. DamnVixen says:

    I’m guessing DaBomb is a GHETTO African American blog troll. That’s quite obvious from his posts.

    It’s a bit pointless to argue with him.

  599. Promise says:

    Wow. O-O

  600. DamnVixen says:

    Thanks for some great late-night entertainment, folks. I’m giggling myself silly. I’m new to the site. One thing I HAVE to wonder … how do SD’s have so much time to blog? Aren’t y’all supposed to be busy making money? Yanno, because y’all are on this site because you don’t have the “time” for traditional dating or meeting women through the usual channels?

  601. RealSD says:

    @Seekingattraction said, “Here’s the thing, if the “daddy” is relatively young(ish), fit, and funny, he can date and have sex with attractive “babies” without any exchange of money.”

    Well, here’s the thing:

    1) For some people, time is more valuable than money. It’s not that they can’t find a regular date, it just that money makes things go much faster. For example, one pot once told me she had to move our first meeting. I told her it was easier for me to pay her several hundred dollars for the first non-intimate meeting than to move my calendar around. She moved her calendar around instead.

    2) Some people like to spend money on their SB. It’s fun spending not a lot of money (few hundred dollars to couple of thousand) on a present for a SB and seeing their eyes light up, vs. spending even more on a present for your regular SO and having her not even look at it.

  602. Catcher 22 says:

    @RussianSB: Spasibo! I always love the intelligence, wit and charm that characterize your blog posts. This evening you outdid yourself, especially your responses to the two toxic fake SDs Your posts are always very entertaining. If you ever start a fan club, I would love to be a charter member. It is late night here West Coast USA, so I will follow your recipe and prepare a nightcap of Prozac, Vodka, and Viagra and hope to meet you in my dreams.

  603. Sunshine2serenity says:

    @SA
    So you either need to lie all the time or never lie? There is no middle ground? How very flexible of you. Most married SDs have been with their wives a long time and they very much still love them. However they have needs and their wives have gone through menopause and aren’t interested in playing. I want my SD to be honest with me because I don’t have any hangups about monogamy. I don’t believe in marriage and I never want to be married. I don’t mind if he’s screwing a legion of women provided that he’s safe and that our time together is our time together (likewise I’m not thinking of anyone else but him when I am with him). As there is no reason to lie I prefer that they don’t because it creates a safer environment for all of us. It means that I’m prepared that should anything ever happen (angry women) I’m just the friend who is out to discuss business with my SD nothing more.

    @Flyboy and Jaybird
    Love you guys! You always hit it straight home in your responses :)

    @DaBomb
    Lol “club hoes”. Have fun with that. Hope you don’t get too many STDs while you’re at it. Really though its cute that you come on here and insult guys who enjoy spending money on a lovely lady. There are plenty of SDs that don’t have to pay for sex but they get a kick out of helping out and seeing their SB succeed. It must hurt a lot that you can’t even get a “club hoe” to sleep with you without pretending to be something that you’re not.

    @Stuggles
    Hit the nail on the head.

    @Russian
    <3.
    Btw that dude you linked is he a dater guy? I'm guessing yes from his profile. Sucks that he was so rude to you. I'm curious because he's in my city.

    @All
    If you're here to date without an allowance that's fine as long as you're completely upfront and mention that in your profile. The point of this site is that you can be honest and straight to the point and not have to lie or hide what you want. What pisses everyone off both SBs and SDs is if you beat around the bush, don't know what you want and lie to others in the bowl. It messes with the environment and screws everyone over as people get more concerned about being taken for a ride. Be direct in your profile, explain what you are looking for and then it's all out there and you never have to come across as greedy or a sex maniac in messages.

  604. RussianSB says:

    Josh, so welcome more fake SDs, for last real SBs re-sign from the site
    ( deciding it is a place for traditional daters and stalkers), then only escorts will stay, because they really don’t care, they have a grate system how to avoid “just ” date.

  605. RussianSB says:

    FlyBoy – such things girls usually share with blog or sugar diary, but never say to SD :)))))
    And, being gentelman, spoiling with presents, and having good personality – surprise woman in a good way, so she is eager to share with world – he is SO good, SO nice, SO generous. Why such a gay need to be SD, he can get any mistress he wants ! So, they talk about whole image.

  606. Josh says:

    wants me to tell @Seeking to go elsewhere then do this.

    Since the SD:SB ratio is 1:16, if SBs promise to proactively tell 16 rinsers and escorts to go elsewhere, then I promise to tell one @Seeking to go elsewhere.

  607. Josh says:

    Final thought for the night. If SB wants me to tell @Seeking to go elsewhere then do this.

    Since the SD:SB ratio is 1:16, if SBs promise to proactively tell rinsers and escorts to go elsewhere, then I promise to tell one @Seeking to go elsewhere.

  608. RussianSB says:

    Zero-allowance lobbyist !

  609. RussianSB says:

    Sleep good enemy supporter – if you can :)))))

  610. FlyBoy says:

    RussianSB:

    It is greate compliment for SD, all we need to know – will she really do it when he will stop giving sugar, or she will look for other SD ? Probably not, because she have bills and issues etc.

    I doubt it’s a great compliment! To the strong and secure man, it’s a empty gesture! To the weakling and insecure, it is never going to be enough to convince him that she desires him. He will always construct scenarios where she definitely has alternative motives.

    Cheers :)

  611. Josh says:

    Good night dear. I need to wake up in 6 hours. Bye now.

  612. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    I don’t believe in femal company withou paying them. That works for me.

    This is a marketplace. SDs need to pay $0 to $whatever it takes. SBs need to seek $whatever and settle for $whatever.

    Don’t try to make it an ethical issue…OK?

  613. RussianSB says:

    Almost all blog SB will tell you that it is tacky to discuss allowance o forstmeeting. And they are classy, those girls – but someone misinterprete this and decide use that for get more dates.

  614. RussianSB says:

    It is greate compliment for SD, all we need to know – will she really do it when he will stop giving sugar, or she will look for other SD ? Probably not, because she have bills and issues etc.

  615. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    Almost every blog SB will give you the line “I would have dated him without sugar”. SO…if some of the SBs are walking their talk, then why not? 😉

  616. RussianSB says:

    When, so many times being said, why sugar dating different from traditional.
    I didn’t heard o BBC today that ” more students worldwide joining SA just for traditional dates”.

  617. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    You have right to your opinion.

    I am sure that a good number of married men are here to fool around but I have a feeling that most of them are here because their wives would not pass either of the “dog test”.

  618. RussianSB says:

    Josh, you are welcoming not SD, you are welcoming traditional dater why is denying sugar lifestyle – why will change site statistic from 95 to 96 % of timewasters.

  619. RussianSB says:

    Josh , if a woman passes the “dog test” and you still fool around?

    Don’t be so tough on your own sex – men are misterious creatures, sometimes they want fool arround a little. But to go officially out with someone who not look like your business partner/secretary/translater is huge disrespect to your SO.

  620. Josh says:

    I told you I am into surreal violence a la Kill Bill, Dirty Harry, etc.

  621. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    “I know ” Godfather ” by heart and love Mario Piuso books.”

    And there are millions of LOTR junkies as well. I can’t stand that shit either.

  622. RussianSB says:

    Josh, I amsurprised you are not into violence – you are welcoming every maniac here.

  623. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    “Josh, so, woman pases both test, win your loyalty – then see you on public with 20 y.o. and you lost her loyalty immedeately !”

    If a woman passes the “dog test” and you still fool around? Then face the music, you idiot. :)

  624. RussianSB says:

    IHF. Too many women here think all men can’t attract quality women without offering financial inducement.
    No, I am sure 50% of men can do without allowance (did you see pictures , some of them so hot and well gromed) , but they can do it elsewhere, not on the site, where you asked to werify your income and fill “allowance ” section.

  625. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    “Josh, really ? Even Scarface ?”

    I love Pachino as an actor but I wish that he had chosen different types of roles. But who am I to tell him what to do with his life/career.

    I am not into violence, except when it is crazy Tarantinoisque or Miliusisque. The whole idea of bumping people for no good reason, which is a staple in gangster movies, does not sit well with me.

  626. RussianSB says:

    Josh, so, woman pases both test, win your loyalty – then see you on public with 20 y.o. and you lost her loyalty immedeately !

  627. Josh says:

    A blogger, @gtt_envy, claimed to be happy with his significant other, and she with him. He never told what type of SO she was; fuck buddy, girlfriend, fiance, wife, whatever.

    I repeatedly told him to get out of sugar if he had a great thing going at home. He finally claimed to get out of sugar. I seriously doubt that my advice had anything to do with his decision to get out, as he used to take pot shots at me like some others do. But I was very clear on my position:

    If your being in sugar may/can/will devastate your SO because she is genuinely invested in you, then you have no business playing the field. This does not qualify those women who are with you because not being with you is just a social, logistic and/or legal hassle. You don’t owe such women anything. So play the field with caution to reduce your own loss.

  628. RussianSB says:

    I know ” Godfather ” by heart and love Mario Piuso books.

  629. RussianSB says:

    Josh, really ? Even Scarface ?

  630. RussianSB says:

    Alina Kabaeva is Olimpic Champion (respect ), sports women always look mature (from many reasons ), what you trying to prove ?

  631. IHF2030 says:

    There are two types of men this site. There are those who need to be here. And there are those who choose to be here. Too many women here think all men can’t attract quality women without offering financial inducement. And that is not the case.

  632. Josh says:

    @DaBomb

    Unless a woman passes the “dog test”, she is not worth a man’s loyalty.

    1. Is being and playing with her husband the happiest part of her day?
    2. Will she lay down her life for him?

    If she passes any or both of the tests then he owes her loyalty.

  633. RussianSB says:

    Joey, she born baby 2015 at Switserland. Google it. To whom I should believe : wikipedia or you ?

  634. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    I am not into gangster movies/shows. I yawn a lot watching such idiocy in the name of art.

  635. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    Men are marrying because other men are not warning them from the ills of marriage in the West or West-ish countries. I do coach young men NOT to get married. 😉

  636. RussianSB says:

    How to explaine … mmmm….have you ever watch “The Sopranos ” ?

  637. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    I don’t believe in trying to woo women without money. For me sugar is the way to go, which means every woman gets paid regardless of her age/looks. BUT, I am an older SD. If I was in my 20s or 30s, I would be open to anything that worked for me.

  638. RussianSB says:

    Josh, it is rhitoric question : ” Why men are marrying ? “

  639. RussianSB says:

    So, Josh – you are a good host, or just play for the enemy ?

  640. Josh says:

    @RussianSB

    “your wife send you to prison, because many Russian businessmem have criminal background and their wifes know all their secrets.”

    Hahahaha. Why the fuck Russian men, especially criminal Russian businessmen, are marrying then?

  641. RussianSB says:

    Josh, maybe you will join secret service ? You so easy will sell us all to enemy ! It is second time I see your unhealthy sympathy to hater of sugar lifestyle.

  642. Josh says:

    @SeekingAttraction

    There is another blogger @FunDude. He is in his 30s and does not believe in paying allowance unless the woman is extraordinary. He is currently dating a 23 year-old blond (sans allowance), so he is recently missing-with-lots-of-action.

    Women here take your approach very negatively, as it seriously affects their gravy train. Interestingly, we do get a steady stream of SBs who ask for advice on how to get men without sleeping with them. Such SBs were looked up to in the past but since we have a very vocal SD presence, those women are not encouraged anymore.

    As someone mentioned early, SA is doing a great job fucking up the niche sugar space. So do what works for you, and don’t let some of these bloggers dissuade you.

  643. Joey says:

    @RussianSB,

    Re Alina Kabaeva, google her in 2008, when Putin apparently got her pregnant or in 2006 when she started being linked to him in rumors.

  644. Josh says:

    @SeekingAttraction

    @Fly”Boy” is a woman who posts as a man. There’s another woman who posts as a man. She calls herself @flyR. @Anon/@Catcher 22 is another woman posting as man. She could be a proxy of @FlyGirl and/or @flyR. Too early to tell.

    @FlyGirl attacked you already…@flyR will follow suit.

    @NC Gent is an idiot. I ignore his posts.

    @Rembolder writes interesting stuff.

    @RussianSB write crazy, but fun stuff.

    @Jaybird923 Write interesting stuff.

  645. RussianSB says:

    If people will attack me like today – maybe I will learn English soon !

  646. RussianSB says:

    Jaybird SO funny “Cucumber what area of the country do you live in. so I can make sure to never relocate there. Since everyone seems to be a John.”
    Cucamber I said that 95% are losers, but , why, the hell, you avoid 5% real SD ?

  647. Reb says:

    I thought they couldn’t get any older, but a SD I am talking to is actually 78. He lists 62 on the site -_-.

  648. RussianSB says:

    I just googled Alina Kabaeva 2015 – she does look like 40 y.o., which only confirm my theory !

  649. RussianSB says:

    So, to go on public with 20 y.o. – you fly somewhere not closer than Sardinia.

  650. Josh says:

    RussianSB

    “last time I was really interested in SD and not discuss allowance – he call me w…”

    Aww pobresita! Details please. 😉

  651. RussianSB says:

    Maybe someone think that Russia is on different planet and we don’t have scandalous divorces in Court ?

  652. RussianSB says:

    To go on public with 20 y.o. for Russian – it is not only risk that wife will divorce you and get 50%, but also that your wife send you to prison, because many Russian businessmem have criminal background and their wifes know all their secrets.

  653. RussianSB says:

    Joey, look at latest pictures of Alina Kabaeva ( google it) and tell me that she is a kid. And they still not showing on public , same as many other wise people who have something to lose.

  654. Josh says:

    @Jaybird923

    “@Cucumber what area of the country do you live in. so I can make sure to never relocate there. Since everyone seems to be a John.”

    ROTFLMAO!

  655. RussianSB says:

    I don’t need to do all that – I am party animal ( as all of you maybe can follow from my posts), I am so fun to be with that men ask me only 2 questions – ” do you have a boyfriend ?” and ” do you prefer your allowance on bank account ?”. So I never ask anything, I reciving offers, and even have a choise with whom to be. And SA I need to meet daters, and to be called names, or to be called names by daters (member/e97cb0cd/view) – all that for not to forget what is real dating world about. For not lose touch with reality.

  656. Joey says:

    @RussianSB,

    “Elaine – in Moscow all misstresses arround 40, but very good looking. 20 y.o. used like disposable company and mostly models-escorts – because they have not brain yet to close the allowance deal, so they need representative ( agency, pimp, matchmaker, whatever ).”

    For a famous counterexample, please see Alina Kabaeva, impregnated by Vladimir Putin when 25.

    “Most of the men I date in Moscow start dinner with words – what I am going to do with 20 y.o. ? Why they writing to me ? We have age gap, interests gap, and I cannot go out public with someone age of my daughter, nor can I sleep with kid.”

    Are you really from Moscow? Either a lot of men have dinner alone with their daughter or granddaughter in fancy restaurants or plenty of men can go out in public with someone the age of their daughter or granddaughter and can sleep with kids if smoking hot late teen to early 20s women are teens.

  657. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cucumber what area of the country do you live in. so I can make sure to never relocate there. Since everyone seems to be a John.

  658. CucumberOnLids says:

    I meant “hurry up and wait for me”. lol

  659. CucumberOnLids says:

    As expected all 3 Hurry up and went for me went radio silent. I hate when men are predictable especially 2 fakes and a john daddy.

  660. RussianSB says:

    And again ( to poke the troll ). There are 95% losers and only 5% actual SD.
    How to avoid: Once you’re in communication with a POT, set a date/time/place to meet as soon as possible. It’d even be best if you could discuss what exactly you’re looking for before you meet. And if your POT dances around the idea of an allowance and refuses to give you a range — forget him.

  661. RussianSB says:

    So, let’s count – 3 times I was called w… : by pot SD, BBC and blog miserable troll. Anybody else ?

  662. StruggleIsReal says:

    @DaBomb
    Where/ when did I write such a post?? I don’t think that so can’t imagine how you inferred that from something I have written.

  663. RussianSB says:

    FlyBoy – don’t worry, for me , any jet – is expensive toy.

  664. RussianSB says:

    FlyBoy for someone who can afford porn+kleenex your jet seems to be cheap jet.

  665. RussianSB says:

    DaBomb – last time I was really interested in SD and not discuss allowance – he call me w…
    So, now, I WIL discuss allowance , 100%.

  666. IHF2030 says:

    I think a lot of the young women on this site are actually pretty shrewd and can sense when guys are not genuine. But I do hope young women on this site will exercise due caution when meeting any men, and let their good sense guide them.

  667. FlyBoy says:

    “A crew of 2 should be a rounding error for you asshole.”

    There you have Ladies and Gentlemen, DaStupid figured it out. The reason I don’t a 2 pilot plane is because of the crew cost! lol

    Cheers :)

  668. RussianSB says:

    INF, I am not sensetive being called names – because it is true,I love sex, and any very religious person can call me w…, s…, whatever. Because I have sex out of marriage. But I always worry about those students who sign up fo arrangement and end up being raped somewhere on the parking lot – because ” smart” people will use that site for just “dating “.

  669. FlyBoy says:

    StruggleIsReal:

    A jet ~ 6500. Company’s heavy metal. I fly with the boys from time to time.

    My jet ~ 1500. The newer ones can do 1900 – think Florida to Nevada.

    Cheers :)

  670. lovelynyours says:

    Okay.

    DaBomb is far too hostile about this to not be the same person as Seeking. Also, Seeking’s likely a troll, here for giggles. I’m not willing to believe anyone’s so stupid as to voluntarily admit to deceiving women and then get so angry as to invest what is now nearly 8 hours of his life and all this emotional energy fighting with men and women he has literally never met when they object to such a shaky moral compass. Because that would be utterly absurd. And not a little bit sad.

    Seriously, I’m waiting for the punchline.

  671. StruggleIsReal says:

    Yes, of course I have been to a club before.

  672. DaBomb says:

    @RussianSB

    You want to set your allowance ahead of meeting the SD and have no interest in any real relationship with a SD. Sounds like a whore to me. You fit into the current SA model of a SB so it’s all good.

    @StrugglesIsReal

    Have you ever been to a club?

  673. IHF2030 says:

    My little Tsarina is sensitive. But, truly, the only man who should wear the shiny white suit is Elvis and he’s dead.

  674. RussianSB says:

    It is not SA fault, those “daters ” and ” sexual maniacs ” know exactly what site is about and why it attract young girls. They just use it on their own purpose. But SA security fault – that those characters so unashamed that even posting here, and sure that they not going to be punished.

  675. StruggleIsReal says:

    @FlyBoy
    What is the farthest you have flown your/a jet before?

  676. FlyBoy says:

    Pressed submit by mistake! Continuing my last post!

    I own neither of these airplanes, although that will change soon :) My current one is an older jet (early 2000s model). So yes sir, I am man enough to cut a check for a jet, and to pass the rigorous FAA check ride (which for a jet is conducted using Airline Transport Pilot standards) to obtain my type rating!

    Cheers :)

  677. Jaybird923 says:

    But all of this is SA’s fault. This is what happens when you take an exclusive niche market and try to make it mainstream. And when you surround yourself with people who have no understanding of who your target customers are or how to effectively extend your shares in that market without alienating your base. It’s clear that Wade checked out a long time ago and has left his company in the hands of incompetents. Hopefully he wises up before they completely destroy his company.

  678. RussianSB says:

    IHF, you not understand – he mean SA is a “club”, and all ladies here w…
    And he is a stranger , just passing by, in a shiny white suit.

  679. FlyBoy says:

    DaLoser:

    I must have missed your post where you gave out your personal information (or profile) to show me how much of a man you are since you don’t need to hide behind a mask.

    You should choose a Gravatar with a more expensive plane. That will show everyone how wealthy you are.

    You actually did miss my introduction. That is neither here nor there, as I once told one of Josh’s proxies, anonymous environments (such this blog) have rules to guide one’s participation in them. The rules were deduced from game theory. To wit, you should believe everything a poster writes until they write something not congruent with their character. Then you can lower or revoke your trust in them. This is the only way to proceed. Demanding proofs from strangers is a not starter.

    The airplane in my Gravatar is the Embraer Phenom 300. It, and Cessna’s Citation CJ4 are the largest jets certified for SINGLE PILOT operations. Any bigger and a crew of 2 is needed.

  680. IHF2030 says:

    I expect that women on this site are seeking an allowance plus other benefits. That’s why I am willing to provide a monthly rate plus lots of opportunity for travel, as well as mentoring. I had no interest in club sluts when I was in my twenties so I certainly have no interest in them now.

  681. RussianSB says:

    To wiev SA as dating site, the same as to wiev BDSM site as dating site.
    Why to come into small society in dirty boots and your own rules ? Why, smarter then others ? Obviously SeekingAttraction and DaBomb – the same persona.

  682. RussianSB says:

    At least, daters come of the closet – we already know, there are 90% here, but they never do posting here.
    In my case – it was 80% of pure daters.

  683. IHF2030 says:

    Well, I certainly do NOT view SA as a “dating” site.

  684. RussianSB says:

    SA spend money on site maintenance, SDs pay for membership, SDs pay allowances, SBs spend – ( nobody care, they all just w…). Everything is ready for pleasure of DATERS – come and take !

  685. Jaybird923 says:

    @Flyboy my thoughts exactly if I would have seen your post I wouldn’t have bothered with mines

  686. Jaybird923 says:

    @DaBomb Your reply is not even worthy of a response but it’s Sunday night and all I’m doing is watching old episodes of South Park so I’ll spare you another moment. I have no issue with an SB Being as you so eloquently put it fucked without an allowance. Like I stated before if you can accomplish that feat without lying/misleading them then more power to you. But if the only way you can get them into bed is too lie to them then you are indeed pathetic.

    Like I’ve said on several occasions sugar is multi faceted there are different types on here. There are SB who aren’t looking for an allowance but someone to take them to fine restaurants, shows, nice resorts, etc. If that’s what you offer that’s perfectly fine just say so on your profile and let the women choose for themselves if that’s what they want.

  687. DaBomb says:

    @FlyBoy

    Thanks for the tips on how to be a player. I was thinking of getting a Gravatar of a luxury yacht and claim I owned it in order to impress the blog SB’s. What do you think?

  688. RussianSB says:

    I know we cannot, but SA team can track them !

  689. RussianSB says:

    Now I understand why the blog called ” party recap” !
    Nasty blog today – just for my nasty mood !
    Being called whore twice in 24 hours here – not so fresh and start entertain me. Moderators , could we track @DaBomb and @SeekingAttraction , I am sure, they DO have profiles here !

  690. SeekingAttraction says:

    Josh, hello hello. I am completely unfamiliar with the entire cast of characters, I came across SA last fall, and since then I have had several “dating” relationships from the site (one is ongoing; the others lasted maybe 3 to 10 dates). I didn’t realize I would stir up such a can of worms with my deception and dishonesty. Man, these married dudes sure have a monopoly on honor and integrity.

  691. FlyBoy says:

    You know what Jay, DaLoser and Reeking are very easy to decode. If they were players, they would have quickly concluded that ~ 15% of the women on here want a boyfriend. Having said that, being VAGUE about the allowance is NOT the way to get them.

    You see, those women are middle class and believe a rich must have so many options (which is not true BTW). A competent player will go with the flow and play that angle. Example:

    “I am not an old man nor a married one, therefore I don’t do allowance, because I am looking for a friend that wants to join me and enjoy my lifestyle”

    This will confirm to the women reading that the owner of the profile is really a rich man with so many options that he doesn’t need to entice anyone to be with him. Furthermore it will cause the ones wanting an allowance to move on.

    Cheers :)

  692. DaBomb says:

    @FlyBoy

    I must have missed your post where you gave out your personal information (or profile) to show me how much of a man you are since you don’t need to hide behind a mask.

    You should choose a Gravatar with a more expensive plane. That will show everyone how wealthy you are.

  693. MissLady says:

    lol @Russian!

  694. SeekingAttraction says:

    Flyboy et al, I love how the old dudes get so up in arms that some guys can come on this site and actually date women and/or form meaningful relationships without paying an “allowance”. As for my “rantings” about married women, Let me be clear: I am ALL FOR married dudes coming on here and paying to have sex with women they could never be able to date without said compensation. I think it makes marriages stronger and it is also fun and life affirming to spend time with an attractive, younger woman. My issue is when these married “daddies” come with their holier-than-thou attitudes about the importance of honesty and forthrightness with their SB’s while, at the same time, they are completely deceiving their wives. I am not a religious man, but I would assume that, in the big picture of sin, lying to your wife is more egregious than lacking complete openness with a younger women whom you are paying to have sex with you and is probably banging other dudes for $$$ as well.

  695. RussianSB says:

    DaBomb – so nice of you to call me ” whore “, so many times SA members call me ” whore ” because I joined that site.
    I have two reasons to join SA:
    – to called whore
    – to meet THE daters
    not only I am Russian, I am Jewish – so, don’t hold poison inside, poor it on your keybord.

  696. Josh says:

    @Seeking

    How familiar are you with the cast of characters here?

    How soon before @FlyGirl accuses @DaBomb to be @Josh’s proxy.

  697. MissLady says:

    Sigh, I’ll be glad when they get better controls on ID’s so when people start instigating we know where it’s coming from….

  698. RussianSB says:

    Struggleisreal – dancing naked with Kalashnikov, what else ?
    Have great vacation. I am completely pussified (it will be my favorite word for any description ) with my vacation. Want to Moscow !

  699. Jaybird923 says:

    @Dabomb If you are so superior why do have to be on this website pretending to be wealthy to get club hoes to sleep with you. You should be able to get them to spread for you with out having to exert so much effort. I’ll take an educated guess and say that you are probably a pathetic loser who got sick of jerking off to your phone screen on a nightly bases and decided you’ll pretend to be someone woman actually want so you can get laid.

    And now you’re on the blog spewing your vile opinions and trying to insult your betters (the men you’re pretending to be) So you’ll feel better about your pathetic existence. And judging from the level of anger and resentment you’re displaying I’m guessing that even while pretending to be wealthy you’re still not good enough to get the club hoes to spread for you.

  700. RussianSB says:

    I am also proud of blog SDs !
    Last time I see toooo many profiles and letters : I looking for my onlyone, soulmate, future wife. Last letter I get “I offer allowance, but only for serious relationship “. Thanks, not. But, at least boy was honest.
    ” Daters ” flood that site, and they are bigger damage then picture collectors, sex writers and p&p – those you can spot in few messeges, if not i first one. But “daters”… no, they will f… your brain properly.

  701. DaBomb says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    You are quite funny. SA hires a SB to teach other SB’s how to juggle 50 SD’s at the same time yet @SeekingAttraction is not using the site appropriately.

    @RussianSB

    You don’t help the image of Russian women, as anyone reading your posts would assume you are a whore.

  702. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Russian
    Oh okay I was thinking you might be on the same island I’m currently vacationing on. No such luck :( You are hilarious with your posts. Very witty indeed. Keep it up. Oh and don’t worry, I am happily couple up with my GB, not interested in any other men. What were you doing in @ATL’s dreams the other night? Hehe

  703. Jaybird923 says:

    @Struggle Thank you for the recommendation but that’s highly unlikely my beliefs are in direct opposition to their agenda. And it does seem like they are intentionally trying to sabotage the website. I have no clue what they hope to gain by doing so.

  704. StruggleIsReal says:

    I could not possibly have conjured up a better comrade for @Seeking than @DaBomb. That last comment pretty much speaks for itself, as well as @Seeking. Thank you both for making your sad little plight so obvious. LoL

  705. Jaybird923 says:

    @Flyboy lol I have missed you:-))

  706. RussianSB says:

    StragglesReal – I am in Europe (nowadays it is one country :).
    Russians everywhere – we have 150 million population and only one resort – Sochi area, and even that one flooded with rain last week.
    Where are you ?
    Don’t forget : Russians are not the best husbands, but they are the best sugardaddies. And word “shopping” spell the same in Russian !

  707. StruggleIsReal says:

    @FlyBoy
    “pussified”
    New favorite word.

    @ATL
    Haha That is hilarious that you dreamed about the board/ Russian! What is LAS? Vegas?

  708. RussianSB says:

    THEATLSD ( special for you) :
    There’s no such thing as a British mail order bride. Although you really wouldn’t want one. When a Brit sends off for a wife from Moscow he gets a stunning blonde with cold blue eyes and a fiery appetite for love. If a Russian sent off for a wife from Luton he’d get an foul mouthed chain smoker in a boob-tube with an appetite for MacDonalds.

  709. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Russian
    Where are you vacationing? There are a lot of Russians where I am now. You seem like you’d be fun and hilarious to lie out and shoot the shit with.

  710. RussianSB says:

    THEATLSD – oh dear, I come in a dreams, only if you mix prozac and viagra with vodka before falling asleep!

  711. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Jaybird
    SA needs to hire you like yesterday to save their asses.

    Maybe Seeking Arrangement is trying to show us girls by example what self-sabotage looks like on a grand scale? LoL

  712. RussianSB says:

    Cryptic Anomaly, and – I agree with you, so many fake SBs, or fake pictures, or real girls but they never have time to meet etc. Let it be 95 % from both sides.

  713. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Seeking
    @Seeking
    If you don’t expressly state in your profile or willingly offer up the info in very early communications, that you are not going to offer an allowance, you simply are a loser and you suck. The men and women who have called you out are completely on point. What I find increasingly pathetic is that you not only abuse the privileges of this site, but also you are so lame that you come onto the blog comments to insult the genuine and honest contributors who utilize the site fairly and in a healthy, appropriate way, for which it is intended.

  714. Jaybird923 says:

    I step away for a bit and it gets interesting while I’m gone. I love hoe defensive people get when you call them on their bull, especially when they went out of their way to tell us what they were doing expecting to get patted on the back for a job well done. Very proud of my blog SDs :-))

  715. NC Gent says:

    @Seeking – thanks for your concern. If you are such a catch, why don’t you just use match? Also, if you want to make puritanical judgements, maybe you should hangout at Christian Mingle.

    Of enough time wasted…next!

  716. SeekingAttraction says:

    NC Gent, how’s your Sunday? I’m not referring to honesty with your SB; instead, I’m talking about honesty with your wife.

  717. SeekingAttraction says:

    Flyboy, you crack me up. A “tough” guy hiding behind the safety of his keyboard. Since you too obviously lack the depth of Rembodler (who, even in his most recent post, makes clear that he STILL doesn’t understand the irony of his words), let me spell it out to you in kindergarten language. Rembodler considers deception to be the ultimate SD betrayal , yet many (if not most) of the men on this site are betraying their primary relationships. I am fine with that choice – in fact, I strongly believe that men need to periodically escape the confines of marriage and that doing so typically improves marriage relationships – but rembodler’s notion of deception as betrayal is nonetheless ironic. Also, if you plan to quote me, please do so correctly. Never did I say that the men on this site are ridiculous. Perhaps, with improved reading comprehension skills, you would realize that I said the use of the term “benefactor”, in this context, is ridiculous. I’m fine with men parting with their money if that’s what they believe they must do to date (I mean…uhhh…have an “arrangement”) with an attractive younger women. As for me, I’d rather spend my money elsewhere if I can still date and form meaningful relationships without this financial exchange.

  718. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Russian – The 95% loser rate applies to SB’s as well. So many lose my interest within 4 messages, many will start chatting drop off and come back 5 days later, some will respond with a really bad first message that just puts me off. Others will quote rates in a way that makes it obvious they are hookers.

    What truly amazes me is for women who seem so keen to get their hands on men’s money so many are just so totally charmless and disengaging.

  719. NC Gent says:

    @seeking – I am a married SD and I am completely honest about my relationship status as well as my allowance. Rationalizing your behavior because there are married men on here doesn’t pass the sniff test.

  720. lovelynyours says:

    Thank you, FlyBoy. My thoughts, exactly.

    Seeking:
    Many of the married men on this site are here as a couple along with their wives. I know, because I’ve seen many profiles like that. But that aside, even for those who are having affairs, if you believe that a site that has some percentage of users who happen to be married somehow means that what YOU’RE doing isn’t deception or inappropriate, you’re quite mistaken. But I think you know that.

    You don’t get to judge any SD on this site while camouflaging yourself one of them.

  721. IHF2030 says:

    Wow Russiansugarbabygirl is on a war path today, yikes.

  722. THEATLSD says:

    i need to take a break from the blog. I had a dream last night the RussianSB called me out of the blue on my cell phone. Her name came up on my phone as RussinSB. I answered and said she figured out who I was from the blog.

    I don’t remember the rest.
    Ok back to your scheduled event

  723. FlyBoy says:

    @SeekingAttraction;

    I am single like you, but I would like to join rembodler in looking down upon you. Just because there are many married men who cheat on their wives, does not make it acceptable for you to deceive anyone. Also, and for the life of me, I don’t know how you concluded the rembodler has no depth, but be that as it may, lacking depth is far better than lacking scruples.

    Now look, in love and war, unfortunately, everything goes. If that was your attitude, as in hey there are a lot of stupid and greedy women on here and I am doing what I have to do. I would have understood and ignored you for the uninteresting insect you are.

    But you did not do that. You came here and went out of your way to tell us that allowances are ‘ridiculous’ which of course makes the men giving them just as ridiculous. Ok let’s say this is true, then you are hiding behind ridiculous men to get laid, because you are not even man enough to be ridiculous.

    Hmm. What does that tell us about your masculinity, or your self respect. I don’t know about the world, but it tells me all I want to know about you!

    Cheers :)

  724. rembodler says:

    @Seeking
    Dude…do not you worry about my “lack of depth”, dude. I am the one who will need my boots, your $hit is getting deep.
    And why is that exactly I should be delighted that a cheapskate like you is here, treating this as a “dating site”? I cannot care less if you are single or have “an angry wife with unshaved legs”. As soon as you are upfront about it.

  725. CucumberOnLids says:

    Jaybird is right. I find it interesting when a few pots this week stated “ooh I gave her $250 a meet” and of course “she went back to her country either South America, Philippines, etc. Obviously $250 there is worth way more than it is here. I just looked at what appeared to be a mansion for sale. Gorgeous place where they promote “water heaters” in several parts of the house. You can live in a room and survive with a shared bathroom for $110USD per month. A mansion may cost minimum 2,800,000PH which is barely 62K usd here. Where I live the median home value is just under 700KUSD. I think San Fran is hot right now regarding home sales with a median value of over 1.1mill.

    Just received 3 more $300 meet offers. Living the deadly geriatric dream ohh wait nope not a dream. They’ll find someone soon. I like that they’re at the very least not droning on via email for a week just to get to their offer. This one gentleman was direct with ” do this if you want to live”. lol I was like ooh he’s going Terminator in my inbox how cute! He had a full canned text to send me with ” we’ll get dinner next to my place (2hr drive away) and if there is intimacy then you’ll get your $300″. It’s strange to be called gorgeous and interesting from a verified millionaire and then the offer of $300 spills out without even asking. Le sigh

    What a way to start a morning..

    Next up is another “let’s get to the point” type or more like “get on the train before it leaves the station”. I already feel this is going to be another let down. He already said twice “I’m off to have breakfast with a friend” “I’ll call you after my breakfast with my friend”. Am I supposed to care about whoever this “friend” is? Gag. So you got laid last night and? I feel this guy is going to need way too much validation or maybe he had an ED episode last night and I’m supposed to make him feel desirable. Uggg!

    Get thee behind me Satan! lol

    So umm yeah how is everyone doing this morning/afternoon/evening? :) ** shifty eyes** heheh`

    Ohh spoke too soon. There’s a third and meow:) Everyone appears to be ramping up to 4th of July. Ohh he’s a cutie.. in shape… has these piercing eyes…grrrrr. He says he likes to spoil:) He’s divorced and what? LOCAL. I think we may have found a winner but he’s leaving town. I’m not too fond of the” hurry up and meet me before I leave” offer so I’ll be passing on him until he returns. If he’s really leaving he’ll message me back. If this whole exchange was a ” I can get laid in 24hrs game” he’ll go silent as my response will not be what he desires hearing or reading for that matter.

    ^ I wrote most of this in the A.M.

  726. RussianSB says:

    Again. There are 95% losers and only 5% actual SD.
    How to avoid: Once you’re in communication with a POT, set a date/time/place to meet as soon as possible. It’d even be best if you could discuss what exactly you’re looking for before you meet. And if your POT dances around the idea of an allowance and refuses to give you a range — forget him.

  727. RussianSB says:

    Yes, Rembolder is right ! Of course , she is looking for arrangement – the reason, why she join that site. Not to go on regular dates. After 50 such dates, girl will resign from SA with idea that it doen’t work.

  728. SeekingAttraction says:

    Rembodler, I hope the irony of your comment is intended; if not, I don’t envy the poor SB’s who may have to tolerate your lack of depth. Are you really concerned about “deception” on a site in which half of the dudes are married??? At least I am a single guy treating this as a dating site!!!

  729. lovelynyours says:

    Very well put, MissLady. Frankly, Seeking – I’d say the right thing to do is to state that you’re not seeing an arrangement, but more of an NSA or dating situation, and that you’re not interested in providing an allowance or being an SD. There will be women who are hesitant about an arrangement situation or skittish about it and may even consider you to be a breath of fresh air; perhaps a good transition guy until they’re ready to seek an arrangement. But honesty is truly your best policy; you don’t want that kind of karma on you. 😉

  730. rembodler says:

    @Seeking
    “…Of course, I take care of all financial concerns on our dates/trips, but I never indicate that I am willing to provide a monthly allowance. Why would I become a “benefactor” (such a ridiculous term in this context) when I can just as easily date such beautiful, intelligent women?”

    When a woman is going on a first date with you she has the right to assume you are considering her as an SB – someone who will get an allowance. Same as you have all the right to assume that she is interested in you as a potential lover.
    If she is going into this date thinking she is being considered as an SB, when she is just being “dated”and she does not know it – this is a deception, obviously. I hope you are not doing this. If you are and I accidentally shake your hand, please let me know as I need to wash my hand immediately, with soap. A few times.

  731. lovelynyours says:

    Thanks for trying, Russian! :) FlyR, I agree with you. It’s uncommon, obviously, but not impossible. All of the men I’ve dated, from 18 onwards, have been over 35 except for 1 – who was a special case. A fellow old soul. My ex, who was not an SD, is 50. We’re still good friends. He wasn’t even what I would consider wealthy – he made just over six figures. It happens! And yes, my father and I get along just fine. Lol. 😉

  732. MissLady says:

    @seeking most reasonable SB’s don’t expect an allowance to start until such time as intimacy starts, until then it’s getting to know someone. But it’s understood that an allowance or some type of other arrangement is the end goal. The impression you left was that you have no intention of doing an allowance, at all, and that you haven’t expressly stated your intentions.

    Neither side wants to be taken advantage of, hence the need for initial upfront honest and communication so both parties know where they stand.

  733. RussianSB says:

    Lovelynyours, sorry, cannot find it and give up.
    But, in the procces discover so many sugarbaby tips.
    I will copy-paste them, it can be big post …

  734. SeekingAttraction says:

    MissLady, I understand your perspective that I might be misusing this site, but I am definitely not forcing anyone into a situation that she doesn’t want. She can always refuse to meet me and/or see me again. I do have a serious question, though. How are men supposed to determine, after one “date”, that this particular woman/situation is worthy of a substantial monthly “allowance”? In the real (non-sugar) world it ALWAYS takes at least a couple of evenings to determine whether there is potential for ongoing compatibility.

  735. flyR says:

    @Russian “”That must be frontline of SA
    “Outside the sugar bowl, 40 or 50 year old men don’t have any real chance to date women under 25. So we take what we can get, or move to places like the Philippines.”

    I would disagree. Not as easy but it happens. Used to happen a lot more in the office environment but the lawsuits are a heavy threat. …. Over last 10-15 years culture has moved more to youth worship which makes it somewhat more difficult

  736. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady so do I but it a learning experience for them. the type of arrangement you’re looking for should be discussed in the beginning. If someone is evasive that’s your cue to move on. Every one should have an idea of what they want even if they aren’t ready to discuss particulars such as the amount of an allowance.

  737. RussianSB says:

    There are several such manuals, been mentionet in the blog before, I will look up for you.

  738. lovelynyours says:

    Unfortunate. I’m interested in checking that manual out, Russian. Any direct links anyone might have would be great.

  739. MissLady says:

    @Jay Is he kind of misusing the site? Yes, but there are also a lot of women on here looking for rich boyfriends and husbands by pretending that a sugar arrangement is what they seek. I have no quarrels with them either. If they can achieve their goal more power to them also.

    When I read what he posted, I shrugged and was like well, they let him. I just feel sorry for the ones that don’t have his same intentions and get strung along.

  740. RussianSB says:

    Impossible to avoid such guys. It is official now – that 50/50 men on traditional dating sites looking for partner, and other half – for sexual adventures. SA will attract only more guys like that, if they even have the manual on the web how to fool sugarbaby.
    And he always can say, that he not meet his ideal sugarbaby yet.
    While busy guys eager to discuss everything in advance, not to waste their time on girls who not ready for arrangement, of full of doubts.

  741. lovelynyours says:

    Yep, Russian. If there are women who’ll date someone from SA knowing they won’t get an allowance, great. My concern is for the women who are simply thinking they’re in the “getting to know you” stage and that the discussion will eventually come. Perhaps they’re new to this or don’t have a lot of confidence and the line’s blurry on when the appropriate time really is to bring that up with this particular guy. So they’re just being strung along. For those women, that’s unfortunate.

  742. RussianSB says:

    Lovelyandyours, exactly ! Fake daddies, harmful, but timewasters.
    They should make topic “How to avoid “just guys ”
    or how to meet ” just guys ” on SA “.

  743. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady you might be right. I’m pretty sure it’s not in his profile because most of the girls wouldn’t give him the time of day. But if he’s not promising them an allowance or misleading them by telling them he’ll discuss it when they get to know each other, then I have no quarrel with him. It’s up to the girls, if they like him enough to forgo the allowance they were seeking than more power to him.

    Is he kind of misusing the site? Yes, but there are also a lot of women on here looking for rich boyfriends and husbands by pretending that a sugar arrangement is what they seek. I have no quarrels with them either. If they can achieve their goal more power to them also.

  744. lovelynyours says:

    Agreed, Russian. That’s similar to a person fooling around with someone without telling them he/she’s got an STD. Sure, you didn’t tell them that you didn’t NOT have an STD, but is it honest just because you don’t mention it? No. Notsomuch. Obviously an extreme example, but you catch my drift.

  745. RussianSB says:

    MissLady – if he is honest, he should write at his profile – ” I am not going to provide allowance “. Or they should add it to allowance section – substantional, moderate, minimal, practical, NO allowance.

  746. RussianSB says:

    Dear MODERATORS why not make that new blog topic ?

  747. RussianSB says:

    Such guys always hide under “negotiable ” label. Maybe rain, maybe snow, maybe yes, maybe no …

  748. MissLady says:

    @ Jay I don’t see where he stated that it’s like that in his profile. ‘Never indicate’ to me means don’t ask, don’t tell. Kind of like I don’t expressly state that I am, but I don’t say that I’m not going to either, I just don’t talk about it. Did I miss something?

  749. Jaybird923 says:

    @Seeking attraction then I have no quarrel with you. The longest you’re honest and upfront about your intentions. Not every women is on SA looking for an allowance but some men intentionally deceive/mislead the ones who are.

  750. RussianSB says:

    And 90 % of members doing the same !

  751. SeekingAttraction says:

    “Seeking attraction And did you tell them before hand that you weren’t offering an allowance? Is that clearly stated in your profile? I’m guessing the answer is no but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you answer.”

    “If so, you’re not an SD – you’re just some guy. Who prowls SB sites because he knows the women here might be hotter than those on Christian Mingle. So, I’d be curious to know what your strategy is in hooking up with POT SBs.”

    Jay/Lovely, thanks for the question. I guess I am just “some guy” who uses this site in the same way that I would use match.com, okcupid, or christianmingle. However, unlike those other sites (especially christian mingle!), SA provides access to young, exceptionally attractive women, many of whom (at least in my city) are intellectually curious, well-educated, and well-traveled. I treat the first meeting as a date rather than a negotiation, and I have found that women on SA are often open to additional dates. Of course, I take care of all financial concerns on our dates/trips, but I never indicate that I am willing to provide a monthly allowance. Why would I become a “benefactor” (such a ridiculous term in this context) when I can just as easily date such beautiful, intelligent women?

  752. RussianSB says:

    I am nasty these days, I will leave the blog for a while. I want bring only positive to sugar society. Sorry all !

  753. RussianSB says:

    Girls. who write ” Hello, I newbie, give me advise ” more likely to end date harrased at parking lot (and we have plenty of such stories ), then get trip to car sales lot.

  754. RussianSB says:

    I am talking about buying, not renting appartments.

  755. MissLady says:

    nah @Russian, they’re getting about the same things, guys are buying them cars and paying for apartments and such as well..

  756. RussianSB says:

    Of course 20 very brainy ! Obviously.

  757. RussianSB says:

    I am only about statistics – nothing private.
    40 y.o. getting appartments, houses, cars, jewels from SDs.
    20 y.o. getting trips, shoes, purses, puppies, iPhones, new impressions, beautiful lifestyle.

  758. RussianSB says:

    Elaine, no, it I who was commented like if I had something against 20y/o.
    And comment itself showing of teen maximalizm.

  759. MissLady says:

    ok, so I get this request to view my pictures but no note (sigh), so I’ve been diplomatic and will respond back with how are you, to what do I owe the honor of your request? This one comes back with “Haven’t seen that good looking of a older woman on the site. Usually their in their 20s”…I busted out laughing….sometimes you just gotta laugh….

  760. Elaine says:

    @Russian

    That was exactly what I said in my first post:

    “But most normal, thin, topmodel looking students at this age have other interests as being the “mistress” of a married man who could be her granddad.
    At that age they tend to think THEY are the center of the world!
    Not some “old, rich, saggy dude”.”

    I was commented like if I had something against 20y/o.
    And who has read that post well, would have understood that is not the case.

    C’mon!
    It is completely normal behaviour for young people!
    It has nothing to do with intelligence or being mature for your age.
    It has to do with being in another stage of life and having other interests as putting yourself aside for the wellbeing of some “old dude”.
    And that is what mistresses do.
    They are closer at age with their benefactors, and are also more in the same stage of life and interests.

    Does this mean you cannot be a great SB?
    Nope. Of course you can!
    Your youth is an asset here.

    Would I be able to make a great SB?
    Nope. Of course not!
    I am to old for that, I have to rely on other assets

    It is just 2 different things, existing next to each other.

  761. RussianSB says:

    And it is drama – when woman have her assets she don’t know how to use them, and when she have experience all sexy assets are gone …

  762. RussianSB says:

    My friend meet her sugardaddy at 21 and keep him 10 years. But she was so smart from the begining – and 3 years he gave her only what they agreed upon.
    Now – she is provides for all her future life. That is when brain meets young body. But that is exeption confirming the main rule.

  763. RussianSB says:

    I was stupid and naive at my 20. It is normal, you not have much experience of any relationship at 20. And sugar relationship is an upper league.
    Getting older women easily spot wrong guys, sometimes even with first look, or 15 minutes chat.

  764. Anonymous says:

    I’ve never been attracted to people who speak ONLY in generalities and absolutes. That’s evidence of a simple mind. I fall in love or like with individuals, not stats.

    Hototrot1

  765. Anonymous says:

    Last post also hototrot1- for whatever reason I can’t post from my laptop.

  766. Anonymous says:

    I hate when an old friend says “young, dumb and full of cum” Its so gross, disrespectful and inaccurate. When I was college age I was much more serious/morally uptight than I am now. This idea that all young women are empty and easy is laughably delusional. I applaud the sbs who play into this fallacy to get what they want though. There’s nothing wrong with wanting younger or older. We like what we like.

  767. RussianSB says:

    Elaine, I was rude, especially to ladies who have brain in their 20ies.
    And, sexually, all men prefer yong women (exept young men who more interested in experienced women, who make them feel more man-like). But if man looking for attention or loyalty, he will never chose young woman. Kids are selfish – they want to be in the centre of attention. They will not care about man.

  768. RussianSB says:

    Even now – I am watching it. Every hour repeating. Whole week. But pn tv – they make article text short.

  769. Elaine says:

    @Russian

    I am surprised to hear that.
    I was really thinking in Russia men were even more ageist as in US!

    See, you are never to old to learn! :-)

    Now I suddenly remember one of my SDs (German) being on holiday in a luxury Greek resort and messaging me about all the young beautiful Russians chasing on him.
    And he messaged me something like. “Them young pussies are only good to use and dispose”
    Some time later I heard something similar being said by a (Middle Eastern) Pot.

    To be honest I didn’t found it a nice thing to say, it is as humiliating as the comments about “having hit the wall”.

  770. RussianSB says:

    And answer is ” Yes, it is “

  771. RussianSB says:

    Or paste in google “It’s been euphemistically referred to as “mutually beneficial, transactional dating” but is the growing world of “sugar daddy” relationships just a sanitised term for sex work?”

  772. Anonymous says:

    Besides younger women, I think people get off on having what they never had. My ex lover/friend, former soap star, dated only white women while younger and has been married to a white lady for the past 30 years. But he confided to me that he prefers black women ONLY now. The black lady he was with before me was his age! If I ever experience any kind of ageism, its usually from men my own age, not the older or younger guys. And I don’t experience it often, except on this blog haha. I think men my own age are experiencing the anxiety that we all fear of getting older and don’t want a partner that reminds them of that. I know I try to avoid middle age neurosis, so I somewhat understand.

    hototrot1

  773. RussianSB says:

    But , there are guys who can. But it is definately not mainstreem.

  774. RussianSB says:

    Elaine – in Moscow all misstresses arround 40, but very good looking. 20 y.o. used like disposable company and mostly models-escorts – because they have not brain yet to close the allowance deal, so they need representative ( agency, pimp, matchmaker, whatever ).
    Agree with you 100%.
    Men need 20 y.o. to take advantage of them, but some really have fetish for young body. Most of the men I date in Moscow start dinner with words – what I am going to do with 20 y.o. ? Why they writing to me ? We have age gap, interests gap, and I cannot go out public with someone age of my daughter, nor can I sleep with kid.

  775. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady I think this is the story @Russian is referring to.
    [http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33166550]

  776. MissLady says:

    @Russian, What were they discussing??

  777. Anonymous says:

    @Miss Lady

    If I were back home in Kansas, no way would I date 70+, but in NYC its a little different. $$+cosmetic e+active lifestyles. My SD is incredibly vain. Year round tan and the whole works. “old men” come in different packages just like women do.

  778. RussianSB says:

    Really, nobody see SA discuss on BBC last week, exept me ?

  779. MissLady says:

    True @Reb, people browsing would get the wrong impression at first glance, I know I did when I first started lurking. And no offense taken, I understood your intentions.

  780. RussianSB says:

    That must be frontline of SA
    “Outside the sugar bowl, 40 or 50 year old men don’t have any real chance to date women under 25. So we take what we can get, or move to places like the Philippines.”

  781. Reb says:

    To the older ladies on here, I was talking to the ones who stumble on the blog and are completely new to sugaring. When I first started, I was very insecure and thought SDs only wanted 18 year olds while I was 23! No offense meant.

  782. MissLady says:

    ok, my hats off to you ladies, you guys are going to have to tell how you do the 70 crowd. I’ve been tricked into dating people in their mid 60’s (fudged the age and didn’t come clean about it until later on…), but I don’t know how/if I could pull off a 70 year old..

  783. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh I agree with you on one fact. That is the way it is in most of the world. I disagree that it’s that way in he west simply because of welfare and affirmative action. While those things do play a small role they aren’t the primary source of the differences between the west and most of the world.

    Women in he west have more options as far as education and the ability to earn an income own their own. Therefore, there is less desperation and urgency to settle for the bare minimum when choosing a mate.

    Like with all things there are always exceptions to the rule. Not every woman in a third world country is poor and not every one in the west can afford to be picky.

  784. Anonymous says:

    My SD is 72 and I just turned 40. He’s a handsome, rich man. Has his own law firm in midtown Manhattan. He’s regularly dated women much younger than myself. We’ve been dating for nearly a year. We’ve also fought a lot. I’ve documented plenty of that on this blog. And he, the one with the upper hand ($$$) is always the one who calls to make up. He’s not desperate and certainly not settling. Relationships really are a case-by-case individual thing. I think that important component gets lost so much on this blog. I’m also quietly dating a married partner at a law firm. No sex yet (don’t judge-ha!) I don’t want younger men. Funny thing about being a decent looking older woman is you can date an 18 year old boy for free. They hit on you, not the other way around. But, who wants them lol

    This is hototrot1 btw.

  785. RussianSB says:

    Only men can be crazy enough to put their genitails into kitchen unit :) only because it has boobs. And pay for it 50 tonnes. Even marriage don’t look so extreme compare to that. But living with robot more enjoyable.

  786. Elaine says:

    @Joey

    “If you are not happy about that, save up your allowances, register as a sugar momma, and snag a hot 18 year old guy.”

    No Joey, you don’t get it.

    I am PERFECTLY happy, because I get EXACTLY what I want from sugar!

    Namely; long term relationships with the most desirable, high quality SDs a lot of young SBs would die for.

    Why?

    As said before, because there is very few good looking competition in my age bracket, and those men just don’t want a young SB for various reasons.
    Don’t know who to thank, (in the future probably a plastic surgeon 😉 ), but I dare to say that I look better and am in better shape as a big part of girls 20y my minor.
    And, although I have no other research as my own experience to back this up; I even think it is more likely for an older mistress as for most young SBs to get an high allowance.
    This is called a market gap and lack of competition.
    A LOT of SDs want an