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Our Next Party
  • Posted Mar 10, 2015

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In case you haven’t heard, SeekingArrangement throws amazing parties. Our L.A. Rouge party in Los Angeles was a major success, where hundreds of Sugar seekers were able to mingle at Hollywood’s upscale Boulevard3.

Save the Date: June 12th

This year we’re headed to New York City for a Sugar event unlike any other. Not only are we hosting an evening soiree for Sugar Babies and Daddies to meet, but we are also holding the first ever Sugar Baby Summit. The Summit will be a gathering of Sugar Babies, novice and expert, who are interested in learning about the lifestyle and gaining tips for enhancing their experience on our site.

During the day, Sugar Baby Summit is open to all Sugar Babies who purchase tickets. On June 12th from 1pm to 5pm, the Summit will be held at Rooftop 48 in Hell’s Kitchen. Those four hours will be packed with discussions and courses about maximizing Sugar benefits and best practices on the site.

Light bites will be available throughout the event, and Sugar Babies leave with swag and giveaways. The best part is: all Sugar Babies who purchase a ticket to attend the Summit will receive a free ticket to The SeekingArrangement Party that follows! Free Party tickets will be distributed immediately after the Summit convention.

There is a 3-hour break post-Sugar Baby Summit to primp for The SeekingArrangement Party. Guests will return to Stage 48, which is the grand ballroom space below the Summit venue onsite at the same address. SeekingArrangement is pulling all the stops, complete with a chocolate fountain, the cities finest go-gos, and a special selection of passed hors d’oeuvres. Not to mention, the chance to meet the Sugar Baby or Daddy of your dreams!

Tickets to the events go on presale March 20th. Sorry, but if you’re in a hurry, you’ll just have to wait until then! Follow our ticketing links for more pre-sale info, and plan to snag your spot early to avoid paying double!

For more information on the Sugar Baby Summit, visit the Sugar Baby Summit ticketing page.
For more information on The SeekingArrangement Party, visit The SeekingArrangement Party ticketing page.

Please note that not all information has been posted, and more info will become available as we get closer to the presale date.

Hope to see you there!


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1,176 Responses to “Our Next Party”

  1. I wish I had a Sugar Momma to take me XD

  2. Anonymous says:

    I wish I had a Sugar Momma to take me. You Need one in Austin TX

  3. VanessaJ says:

    The need to have one in boston,ma.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Need to have one in CT!

  5. Anonymous says:

    When’s the next party in Houston, TX?!

  6. Brinagee says:

    whens the next party in LA

  7. SugarBabyGirl says:

    There is a website on Instagramcalled tag the sponser. They dedicate their time to outing girls and guys who live the pampered sugar lifestyle. It was said on their blog that they will be attending this event to “out” the girls who go. There has to be a way to keep losers like this out of an event that is meant to be a private intimate meeting for sugar babies & daddies.

  8. Ella says:

    @sugarbaby7xo

    I’m going alone as well. I live like 30-45 mins from NYC, but I would also like to book a room to get ready after the Sugar Baby Summit.

  9. CarolineL says:

    @Classyandsassy: I am new here and do so admire your intelligence, attitude and advice. Thank you for reiterating that not all women who desire an ambitious, confident and established man are “gold diggers.”
    And @Josh: you are delightful.

  10. beautybomb910 says:

    The next party needs to be in Florida!

  11. Hudson says:

    If you aren’t a white woman don’t waste your time with this site. It’s filled with A LOT of racist men!!! It’s sad that we live in a society that thinks black women are ugly unless they are fair skinned with long STRAIGHT hair. SMH!

  12. Jen says:

    Hmmm…to go or not to go.. could be fun?? :)

  13. Cutiepie1587 says:

    Will there ever be one in the San Francisco Bay Area?

  14. BabySB says:

    Hi everyone!
    I’m new here, I haven’t had a SD yet, but I’m looking for the one. I’ve always been a bit scared about online dating but I really want to be a SB. I just had a date with a nice guy, with whom I won’t have an arrangement, but he seemed a nice guy and helped me to be more open and less afraid of this online dating thing. I’m meeting men online who invite me to their country, and it sounds really exciting but it’s still a bit risky. Has any of you had the experience of meeting a SD or SB for the first time in a different country? How did you guys solve all the security issues? I’ve met this man I really like, he lives in a whole different country, very far away, and there is no way he could come to mine. I think we could have the chemistry, but still i don’t want to put myself at risk. Do you have any ideas? Thank you!!

    • cmiranda says:

      Hey my name is Carla,i Always wanting one But was always scared to get one “SD”.but Right now I really need one can u please help me find one

  15. LolaRouge says:

    You should throw one in britian <3

  16. When are you doing a party in Australia?

  17. NubianSD says:

    can someone tell me what does POT mean as i’m new to this

  18. Lucy says:

    are you back in London at all?

  19. Savi says:

    Wish they would do one in Houston?
    It’s a tough market here in terms of lack of chemistry, newbies and fake SDs.
    *sigh*

  20. Liz says:

    Is this 18+? My friend and I really want to go but we’re both 18, I hope it’s not 21+ :(

  21. NubianSB says:

    @sexyrockstar…Can you contact me pretty please? Or let me know how i can contact you. :-)

  22. Megan says:

    Wow sounds like a lot of fun!

  23. ClassyandSassy says:

    Men,
    Not every woman is a ‘gold-digger’ or intelligent. Actually, there are classy women who will rock your world from across the room and grab your attention in ways that make you crave her. If the woman you’re interested appears to lack intellectual depth or experience, then move on. If she is worth keeping and learning more about, then give her opportunities to stimulate your interest by asking open ended questions. Personally, I had to get involved in my career at a young age. I am classy, sophisticated, and hold a wild side (that only selected men can have the opportunity to experience). I block ‘trashy’ men and defiantly encourage anyone on the site to block trashy people as well. If a girl is sleazy with you, guess what- she is sleazy with others. Also, you can tell a lot by a woman from looking at her manicure.

    There are sexy and secure women who find an older gentleman appealing because the woman desires the drive and ambition behind the male’s expression. I am one of them. I have only dated older for years and have had two successful long-term arrangements. I did not get involved in this website for the man’s money. Yes, they may have money; however, I am a strong believer that the money does not make the man. Personally, the sophistication and level of confidence is a turn on for me.
    I apologize in advance if my comment offended anyone. That was not my intent.

    Comments in this discussion that should be pointed out:

    @NC GENT- Scarlett, GeorgiaPeach — why would you have ongoing communication with a guy that is bitter and hates women? I really am trying to understand this.
    -This is a crack up.

    @SA_or_NA says:
    “As a new SD I’m waiting for the SD summit where I can gain some tips on how to enhance my experience on the site.
    Would love to get some advice on how to deal with POT SBs that want payment on first date, flake out on dates, or ask for above-market escort rates for below-average levels of intelligence and attractiveness.
    As a new member I’ve scanned the site looking for blog articles for SDs but it seems everything on this site is geared towards SBs – the money, the advice, the blog articles, et al.”
    -Be careful what you read online. You’ll figure out how you and your SB fit together and the proper arrangement will fall into place. If it doesn’t feel right, then it isn’t. The right arrangements can be exhilarating. I will make one suggestion (note: please feel no obligation to take my advice): talk to your ‘boys’ and go to a sophisticated spot that SBs and SDs frequent. PEOPLE WATCH.If that doesn’t work, then chat with your friends who are in other arrangements. I am assuming you have friends in arrangements. I’ve never met a SD who did not.

    Either way, whoever read this, thank you. Best of luck to everyone!

    Oh, and P.S. I am searching for a new arrangement.

    ClassyandSassy

  24. TallTraveller says:

    do the sugar mommas get a party to meet some sugar babies too?

  25. moe el says:

    Do anyone know the difference between vip silver and elite vip. no explanation giving on site nor ticket section.

  26. sugarbaby7xo says:

    Hii there. Not sure if im posting in the right place, but is anyone planning on going to this (SB) booking a room in the venue or at a nearby hotel? My only concern is where would I put extra clothes, makeup, hair accessories etc. I don’t want to spend a fortune but I don’t to bank on going home with a SD, I like to have a backup plan. If so anyone know any decent hotels nearby (not too pricey college student/tuition baby here haha).

  27. sexyrockstar says:

    @lainey
    Spring break is next week. I’m excited! I want to start my guitar tattoo. Thinking of a pink and purple fender down my side. Massssiiivvveee tattoo. Lol. It’s that or finish my guns n roses tattoo. But, I gotta finish paying off some stuff first. Delayed gratification. :)

    @all
    I love the sugar life, but it has it’s ups and downs. I think my next SD will be someone who is open to a more-then-sugar relationship. I love drummer. …. but nothing sucks more then being in love with a married man. My fault for falling in love. I mean, he loves me too but it’s not like him and I will be more then what we are.

    To the SB that thinks some POT Sd is ugly:
    Every man looks like brad pitt in the dark. He’s a sugar DADDY. He may be cute in person. Who knows? If you don’t like him, there will be another girl who would want him. I personally never got into an arrangement with someone I didn’t find attractive, but hey, money is attractive. As rude as that sounds, ehhh. MOST men on here could give two shits about our personal life and just see us for the hot beautiful girls that we are. So, see him as the powerful man he is. He might be cool as fuck. Maybe he served in the war and could share great stories with you. Lived through cool decades and can tell you about it. I once met a guy who was…..um. ugly. But he was SO cool. I hung out with him because he had great stories. Maybe he will treat you with the greatest respect.

    All in all, honestly. I’m a bitch and well aware of it, but girl. This is a website for rich men wanting to spoil sexy girls. If you’re not willing to at least meet him…..DO NOT come on here asking why you can’t find a sugar daddy.

    @online
    I think the reason you’re having issues is because girls know you can’t be tricked. There are a lot of shady women on here.

    Uugghhhh. I can’t wait to see drummer. This week has been rough. I see him for two days so im happy as can be. I’m still mourning over the lack of blonde hair. I can’t stand having dark hair. I honestly was made to have blonde.

    I went on a non-sugar date recently. He’s sexy as hell. He’s a teacher, 40, and super interesting. But…He’s no Drummer. When him and I do part ways it will seriously be next to impossible to find someone like him ever again.

    Chicago is so pretty right now. All the snow is almost gone. I can start wearing dresses again.

  28. AmberKay says:

    A Vegas party would be fun:)

  29. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Some people who inherit money piss it away and become poor. The good majority of richer people will look for VALUE in their monetary decisions.”

    Like my dirtbag x brother in law who firesaled an asset to me after pissing away on a certain type of woman, who would tell you how great it gets if you only spend ENOUGH, which now helps fund my own pussy habit.

  30. DarkHorseSD says:

    ComplicatedSB: flirting is free. So is flattery. In fact flattery is sometimes payment for flirting. Flirting relieves boredom.

    Now let’s get some facts and help you out.

  31. DarkHorseSD says:

    I can date and go out. Missed that.

  32. DarkHorseSD says:

    “I expect my SB to be available at a scheduled time to hang out for a few hours for a set allowance . I don’t want to be called for crises to solve ,or financial disasters to bail her out of , or in fact have any pending disasters from which she would need rescuing . I have a wife for all that . I need complete escape from reality . That is what I consider value . I can not date so there is no going out, even though I would love it if I could . I do not pay a meet and greet fee-it is a job interview . And the job is to satisfy Daddy. Get your own sitter ,cab ,or cute little dress to come sell me on yourself . Get off your high horse thinking your parts are made of gold and that you “deserve” things a certain way . You can aspire to certain standards but be willing to be flexible . Realize you are an SB ,not an heiress .

    In the end what an SB will get with me is a sweet ,kind ,and loving Daddy who will (XXXknock her socks off in the boudoirXXX) and consistently and reliably pay the agreed on allowance . Hopefully we will become friends and maybe even grow to love each other. What’s there not to like about that ?”

    Except where X’d out, that’s about how I see it.

  33. DarkHorseSD says:

    Hello ATM:

    Yesterday for about 45 minutes my physical attributes on the profile roughly matched my image of you.

    It was a miserable experience.

  34. PI Wolf says:

    @DarkHorseSD,

    I was not dumped. I was the one who wrote her a letter, telling her – I can not afford to support you anymore … bye, good luck. It felt great! A big burden lifted off my shoulders. The money was spent over a 3 year span. US$1,000 per month for the allowance, and 3 small business ventures during my 3 trips there (once per year) around $10k to $20k for each venture.

    @Josh,

    Yes, she was very good looking. 5’3″, 36-26-36, full C-Cup about 30 years old. Found out later she was a true blooded muslim princess, as a grand-uncle (her mother’s uncle) was a Muslim Datu (Sultan/King) in Mindanao (Southern Philippines).

    @LadyScarlett,

    I was not rich but was making very good money doing consulting work during that time (Y2K). But business conditions turned sour later. Such is life. :-)

    Currently waiting for my ship to come in (hahaha).

  35. SouthernSB says:

    Kenna says:
    I’m tired of fighting on this whole prenup thing, I’m ready to cave in and just say tell me where to sign.
    @Kenna-In the words of the divorce lawyer to the stars Marvin Mitchelson the man who invented the concept of “palimony.” When making a pre-nup never settle for less than 1/3.

  36. SouthernSB says:

    peeps says:got a mssg from a man who is offering the top level allowance…but he is very unattractive, I mean VERY unattractive, terrible dresser… and too old (30+ age difference)…I can’t do it…should I at least meet him in person? I am repulsed by the pictures…looks like he could be older than my dad…it’s not even that he is old, it’s that he is so unattractive on so many levels…I am almost curious but I know that men who offer too much also want too much in return…
    Perhaps you can make him a project, clean him up, pick him out some nice clothes, get him a haircut, you know, make him at least look like a decent SD. Some men just need a little help to get over the hump. At very least meet him and see if there is something in him you can work with. Not only that sometimes the least attractive are the ones who treat us the best. Hey having a rich project is wayyyy better than having a poor one.

  37. ComplicatedSB says:

    NC Gent says:
    March 18, 2015 at 10:53 am
    ComplicatedSB — that behavior is known as “poofing.” The person poofs into thin air. It happens to men and women on the site. Many people on here are just looking for attention and have no intention of ever meeting. Be careful how much time you invest in a person if there isn’t an active discussion on meeting or a date set. You will learn to screen effectively after a while.

    I hope to learn screening as soon as possible because I feel it is annoying to waste time on people who make you feel so worthless. I would love to hear if you have some ideas or advices on it.

    Josh says:
    March 18, 2015 at 10:58 am
    @ComplicatedSB

    Post your profile id and we will tell you why men are “poofing” on you. Methinks that it is better to be “poofed” on than to be “pooped” on. But some women like that too…

    If there is an e-mail adress I would love to hear your opinions, it seems you really help people about profiles.

    FunDude says:
    March 18, 2015 at 10:59 am
    @Complicated SB

    Usually this occurs because a female is asking for more than her value warrants.

    It all depends on what you are asking for as a SB and what are you bringing to the table.

    Let us know your “expectations in a SD.

    I don’t have set-up expectations in €€ to be honest, I have just immigrated in France and I want to discover it with someone who can keep an interesting conversation and help me in life generally as in finding an internship or a small job ( I study political sciences and law).

    For me it is SD’s job to evaluate my value in gifts and extras, so I don’t know if it is about my expectations or something else.

  38. Lainey says:

    *he wants a Ghibli next.. (freakin autocorrect)

  39. Lainey says:

    @Sexy love you too boo! Missed you! Loving the MOcedes. He wants a Think I next but after having SUV I don’t think I’d be able to do car again. This is the second vehicle he’s bought me in the last month, he’s just going to put the other one in the fleet.

    What tattoo are you getting? Did the beauts have their spring break yet? Any fun plans?! Mine just got off hers.

  40. FlyBoy says:

    @gentleman soul;

    Most rich guys don’t throw money away with no value. Thats how they got rich! By not throwing money away lol

    Frugality is not the way fortunes are made.

    Rich man come in two types:

    Parasites. Banksters, Hedge Funders .. etc
    Producers. Industrialists … etc

    I belong to the second group so I can speak about them. I have never met a rich producer who was frugal. Because they all understood that it takes money to make money. We invest in our plant, people and R&D to keep at the forefront of our industry.

    Other unfortunate companies that got plagued by money junkies who are obsessed with every penny, tend to collapse and die sometimes in the span of a few years.

    Penny pinching will end up killing any enterprise. Whether it is industry, marriage, or indeed sugar.

    Cheers :)

  41. GeorgiaPeach says:

    YO Josh… Dr FunDude:
    New blog is up.
    😉

  42. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    Your “proxy” just posted at the EXACT same time (10:55am) as you.

    Wow you must have some real computer skills to pull that off!

  43. FunDude says:

    @Complicated SB

    Usually this occurs because a female is asking for more than her value warrants.

    It all depends on what you are asking for as a SB and what are you bringing to the table.

    Let us know your “expectations in a SD.

  44. Josh says:

    @ComplicatedSB

    Post your profile id and we will tell you why men are “poofing” on you. Methinks that it is better to be “poofed” on than to be “pooped” on. But some women like that too…

  45. FunDude says:

    @Scarlett

    Josh and myself appear to have significant differences on some issues. He is more free with money and “sugaring” than myself.

    Just because we have similar perspectives on female nature doesn’t involve any “proxies”.

    Is the whole MGTOW and MRA movement all the same guy as “proxies”. There is no logic to this.

    @NC Gent

    Calm down White Knight. You appear to think kissing women’ asses will get you somewhere sexually. It won’t work.

    @Gentleman Soul

    Some people who inherit money piss it away and become poor. The good majority of richer people will look for VALUE in their monetary decisions.

    The value of women on the sexual market are pretty clear and consistent across the good majority of the male population.

    Economics can be clearly used for a sexual market place.

  46. Josh says:

    @NC Gent

    “I have a pretty good idea about my gender GP.”

    So you do have a peepee “down there”, as @flyR would say?

    Can you suck it with your mouth?

  47. NC Gent says:

    ComplicatedSB — that behavior is known as “poofing.” The person poofs into thin air. It happens to men and women on the site. Many people on here are just looking for attention and have no intention of ever meeting. Be careful how much time you invest in a person if there isn’t an active discussion on meeting or a date set. You will learn to screen effectively after a while.

  48. NC Gent says:

    I guess I will be continue to be baffled. I have a pretty good idea about my gender GP. There are a lot of nice men (and women) out there.

  49. ComplicatedSB says:

    Hello

    I am also new here and looking for some advice.

    I feel after weeks of discussion and flirting it leads nowhere.I don’t really understand the problem because I am told to be beautiful and intelligent by men even by those men who fly away laters.

    I sometimes feel all my confidence is gone and feel really worthless and unwanted.I want to know why people fade around me if they think I am beautiful and intelligent? How can I improve that?

    I am kind of eastern european mediterranian mix, saying I look like a model would be exaggration even if I am told to be beautiful by men who worked in high fashion industry as well. And if I looked bad, they wouldn’t flirt with me for weeks or days.

    What makes you fly away from a potential SB if you find her beautiful or attractive?
    And is it any good to flirt online for weeks? Sometimes day and night they want to know all about you what you do then fly away.

  50. Josh says:

    @NC Gent

    Have you had your daily dose of dildo, yet?

  51. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @FatB
    LOL. The only info Josh will give out is that he lives in the Central Time Zone. LOL. I love it.

    @NC Gent
    Obviously you don’t know your own gender very well. LOL Or Josh. LOL

  52. LadyScarlett says:

    @NCgent, because I was not that clever, apparently…

  53. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @gentleman
    Ouch. Sounds like you need a massage. LOL

    @Lady
    Don’t get me wrong about Josh. I like him and if he gets his kicks of having multiple personalities here, that’s ok with me. Whatever floats his boat, so to speak. I will say that I think that deep down he has a good heart and is as smart as a whip (as us “oldies” say) He’s been a nice guy and a friend here to me and I appreciate and value his input when others here have been rude and ignorant to me. All this “La La” land here is fine when you’re young, sweet, naïve and pretty. Just wait until you get older and you’re alone.

  54. NC Gent says:

    Scarlett, GeorgiaPeach — why would you have ongoing communication with a guy that is bitter and hates women? I really am trying to understand this.

  55. Josh says:

    @FatB’StardSD

    “Only a woman would be able to write this.”

    Does that make you a misogynist pig, yet?

  56. LadyScarlett says:

    “Hopefully you were not dumb enough to give these women any personal information!”

    It is more like the other way around….

  57. LadyScarlett says:

    They weren’t ‘sweet’ emails, lol…fatbastard, you email the wrong women, too, then, hehe.

    Kenna, you can email me privately, if you wish…

  58. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Josh

    “@Lady
    Hmmm. Apparently Sweet Josh emails a LOT of ladies, “privately.” LOL
    Perhaps we should compare notes sometime. LOL”

    Hopefully you were not dumb enough to give these women any personal information!

    Have a nice day :-).

  59. gentleman soul says:

    RE: value

    This could sound harsh but it is the way many of us think-who did not inherit buckets of money to squander in order to impress a girl .

    I expect my SB to be available at a scheduled time to hang out for a few hours for a set allowance . I don’t want to be called for crises to solve ,or financial disasters to bail her out of , or in fact have any pending disasters from which she would need rescuing . I have a wife for all that . I need complete escape from reality . That is what I consider value . I can not date so there is no going out, even though I would love it if I could . I do not pay a meet and greet fee-it is a job interview . And the job is to satisfy Daddy. Get your own sitter ,cab ,or cute little dress to come sell me on yourself . Get off your high horse thinking your parts are made of gold and that you “deserve” things a certain way . You can aspire to certain standards but be willing to be flexible . Realize you are an SB ,not an heiress .

    In the end what an SB will get with me is a sweet ,kind ,and loving Daddy who will knock her socks off in the boudoir and consistently and reliably pay the agreed on allowance . Hopefully we will become friends and maybe even grow to love each other. What’s there not to like about that ? If you are looking for an IRL BF or husband then go on match ,Find a husband dot cum . You might get lucky like several of our Blogettes have and land that insanely rich guy .

  60. KennaKenna says:

    And I really want to understand the basis of your conclusion.

  61. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Lady
    Hmmm. Apparently Sweet Josh emails a LOT of ladies, “privately.” LOL
    Perhaps we should compare notes sometime. LOL

  62. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Josh,

    @All

    “…Josh and I have been emailing each other privately, for about a year now,…”

    I guess all of that MGTOW knowledge did not teach you to be careful about messaging the wrong women on the internet!

    Have a nice day :-).

  63. KennaKenna says:

    @Lady can you post the emails or a portion of them because I seriously do not think Josh = FunDude.

  64. FatB'StardSD says:

    @All

    “…Josh and I have been emailing each other privately, for about a year now,…”

    Very nice…

  65. FatB'StardSD says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “Y’all are so cheap, low brow and petty to always break down the numbers into months or days?”

    “Who are other men to tell or make fun of a man, or insult him for choosing to spend his money in whatever way he sees fit…”

    Only a woman would be able to write this.

  66. NC Gent says:

    @All — it completely baffles me why any man or woman would have an ongoing dialogue with Josh or FunDude. Just ignore them already.

  67. LadyScarlett says:

    “@Scarlett

    Josh, fundude and in my opinion, a couple others are all Josh, posting under various identities on blog to cause negativity and annoyance to other posters.

    The thing about “value” of women has to do with your value to US as SDs . We each have our own needs to be satisfied by an SB. And often the ones we meet fall way short . I’m sure many of the Daddies you ladies meet do as well .”

    I agree, SDs are looking for all kinds of things on here…and value to one is not always the exact same value to another SD. The reason I accuse Josh of being fundude, soulman, is because Josh and I have been emailing each other privately, for about a year now, and sometimes, the things he would say to me as Josh in an email, he would then say the exact same thing shortly after as ‘fundude ‘. Things that were not a coincidence. That, and others pointing it out. It probably doesn’t make most sense to most, and I really could care less if Josh has proxies all over the blog, as long as they are not cruel and disrespectful on a constant basis to other posters that he doesn’t deem fit to post. Hey, at least, if you have a fake persona, make it interesting, hehe.

  68. DarkHorseSD says:

    Wednesday is hump day.

    I suppose you are all off humping instead of posting.

  69. gentleman soul says:

    Wow! Lots of bitchy action since I signed off . Here are a few thoughts

    @ Vitesse

    “if a SB asked me to give her 5k-10k+ a month, if I felt she was worth it, I would give it to her. And I am 30 .

    $120 K /year after tax is serious change in my book . At 30 you must be an accomplished BMan or inherited well. Good job ! At 30 you are the Babies age so are peer. For us old guys you still have some maturing to do socially and perhaps are not as realistic about these wiley women .

    @Scarlett

    Josh, fundude and in my opinion, a couple others are all Josh, posting under various identities on blog to cause negativity and annoyance to other posters.

    The thing about “value” of women has to do with your value to US as SDs . We each have our own needs to be satisfied by an SB. And often the ones we meet fall way short . I’m sure many of the Daddies you ladies meet do as well .

    peeps says:
    March 17, 2015 at 6:33 pm
    @all…
    got a mssg from a man who is offering the top level allowance…but he is very unattractive, I mean VERY unattractive, terrible dresser… and too old (30+ age difference)…I can’t do it…should I at least meet him in person? I am repulsed by the pictures…looks like he could be older than my dad…it’s not even that he is old, it’s that he is so unattractive on so many levels…I am almost curious but I know that men who offer too much also want too much in return…

    C’mon peeps ,take one for the team ! Old ugly guys have needs just as the rest of us . Give him a break and at least meet him . Look at the men previously referenced here -Churchill,Kissinger,etc. He might be amazing .

    @Fun Guy

    Most rich guys don’t throw money away with no value. Thats how they got rich! By not throwing money away lol

    Or inherit it ,in which case do throw it around. My rich inheritor friends and acquaintances blow money like it is going out of style

  70. LadyScarlett says:

    Really? You were pretty nasty to her, after she called you out for some things…And, speaking of conspiracy theories…Who is it that emailed me a two page long email with the craziest conspiracy theories I have ever read? Shall I post that crazy email you sent me, by the way?

    Like struggles said yesterday, if someone saying that they are more interested in a kept woman scenario, which many women prefer, versus a pay per meet, is fantasy, then I will take their fantasy writing over the nightmare writing some do on here any day…If you are a happy person, then am glad for you, but you certainly do not seem so with all the nasty comments you make, if someone goes against you on blog, and your blog addiction, and the things you have privately emailed me. I hope you get help one day…

  71. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlet

    I did not have to discredit @y. She did a marvelous job of it herself.

    I don’t have to discredit you either. You will do it yourself too if you contined with your conspiracy theories. 😉

    While you’re at it, define “get a life”. The reason is that I wake up happy, enjoy the fruits of my income that includes supply of pussy commensurate with the level of libido for my age, and I go to bed happy, with minor incidents of idiots trying to make me unhappy during the day.

    So…will “get a life” improve my overall happiness, or is it a variation of “man up”, which means “don’t interfere with female fantasy”?

  72. LadyScarlett says:

    “Josh says:
    March 18, 2015 at 6:01 am
    $80,000/5 = $16,000 per month

    She’d better look like a super duper duper model.

    DarkHorseSD says:
    March 18, 2015 at 6:58 am
    The numbers work out to $2500 per month and $500/day for what may be full days. Very believable.”

    Y’all are so cheap, low brow and petty to always break down the numbers into months or days? Why don’t you break it down into hours next time, since hourly is more fitting for what is usually discussed here. Who cares? PI Wolf, judging by his posts is very well off and is more interested in a ‘kept woman’ scenario than a pay per meet, breakdown, like so many blog SDs are obsessed with. Who are other men to tell or make fun of a man, or insult him for choosing to spend his money in whatever way he sees fit, whether that be $80,000 on a boat, classic car collection, real estate, or his long term mistress, which, for three years, whether they met once a year or once a week, is long term for an arrangement.

    Is nice to see you again, PIWolf, and enjoy yet another SDs input who isn’t always interested in breaking numbers down into per minute basis, hehe.

  73. LadyScarlett says:

    “FunDude says:
    March 18, 2015 at 5:10 am
    @Lady

    I post here every 8 hours or so. Checked it this morning. Will probably check in again around lunch break for a few minutes. Doesn’t take much time.

    You are the loser who has been on here for years on a non stop basis with so much animosity you had to report people on this blog and almost get into a “law suit” lol

    I don’t think you’re in a position to claim someone is always on a blog considering our respective histories. Project much?”

    Are you in a position to claim anything as fact, or someone to give arrangement advise. I have had more than several arrangements, and do have successes now. How many arrangements have you had(at least under the fundud persona?). Have I been posting here for year(s)? No, about one year as you well know. Who is a loser that posts here, day and night, 24/7, under multiple blog identities? Yep, that would be you. And, once again, am not, and never was the one threatening any silly lawsuits or to get someone banned, as you know better, and so do others. Nice try to discredit me, like you tried with, ygbkm, Josh 😉 Seriously, you really need to get a life….

  74. DarkHorseSD says:

    The numbers work out to $2500 per month and $500/day for what may be full days. Very believable.

  75. Josh says:

    $80,000/5 = $16,000 per month

    She’d better look like a super duper duper model. 😉

  76. DarkHorseSD says:

    Where I draw the line is at the exploitation of self destructive weaknesses.

    When needed, folks should get a hand up before they get their hand job.

  77. DarkHorseSD says:

    VitSD – you sound more sensible now but you do need to recognize the bigger picture. Perhaps with age.

  78. DarkHorseSD says:

    Pl Wolf…

    How did it feel to be dumped after 3 years of generous support instead of taking a reduced (but still very good?) level of support?

  79. FunDude says:

    @Lady

    I post here every 8 hours or so. Checked it this morning. Will probably check in again around lunch break for a few minutes. Doesn’t take much time.

    You are the loser who has been on here for years on a non stop basis with so much animosity you had to report people on this blog and almost get into a “law suit” lol

    I don’t think you’re in a position to claim someone is always on a blog considering our respective histories. Project much?

    @Keo

    You said your newest SB is some 52 year old CEO. Who knows the veracity of these claims but he still falls into the 50s category that I spoke about. I would need more specifics to disprove my claims.

    So far I have been quite accurate.

    There has been love for “Vit” due to him saying he was willing to spend money on SBs and not get angry if they bolted on him. However, when he fixed his comments later, he said he would only pay money for a younger “10” and would never get married.

    Ergo, Lady Scarlett, Keo, etc would be out of his sugar game due to their older ages and probably lack of good looks.

    He doesn’t appear to be the sucker that he first portrayed himself to be. He clarified his level of discernment and qualifications for SBs before spending money.

    Sounded eerily similar to my requirements.

  80. Rebecca says:

    Yes, him. I think he was in his early 40’s.

  81. LadyScarlett says:

    Hehe, that is true, Rebecca! I remember that guy now! He was youngish, though? And, had that awkward British guy thing going, though, in a cute way….

  82. Rebecca says:

    “I agree with struggles, peeps…if you cannot even stand the sight of his pictures, then how will you feel when you meet…”

    I actually had a guy look HOT in person, but resemble a serial killer by photos. I was completely blown away, especially since he came off as charming in real life. He looked like a socially awkward loser by photos. I can’t judge photos that hard anymore. 😉

  83. PI Wolf says:

    @Vitesse,

    Glad to have you on board here. Continue sharing your thoughts, as I think they are interesting and show a different mindset, regarding enjoying the Charms of Beautiful Women. You seem to have a European outlook (maybe Italian?) regarding mistresses (or Sugar Babies) and know what you want and spend on them.

    I have also done the “Keeping a woman” thing in the past (where the internet does not yet exist) with a girlfriend, who I supported financially full time (household expenses and several small business ventures) and had plans for marriage. I dropped her with a “Dear Jane” letter, after she was unwilling to live a lifestyle that reflects reduced income on my part, with loss of business income here in the USA. As someone of Oriental descent and a businessman, it is necessary to minimize unneeded expense when economic events cause a downturn in the business, and concentrate all efforts on the business! The Ex-GF is in a country in the Far East that speaks American English and the cost of living there is 1/3 to 1/6 of Chicago (their income is also at the same level lower than here). Let’s just say I spent about US$80,000+ on her during a 3-year period, of which I was mostly in the USA. Total time we spent during that period is about 5 months (1+1+3 months).

  84. KennaKenna says:

    I’m tired of fighting on this whole prenup thing, I’m ready to cave in and just say tell me where to sign.

  85. Josh says:

    😉 back atcha.

  86. Keo says:

    @Kenna oh, so you basically missed nothing. Hehe

  87. KennaKenna says:

    @Keo I missed alot, all the fighting!

  88. StruggleIsReal says:

    …to @Josh 😉

    Not to anyone else.

  89. Josh says:

    @LadyScralett,

    The more you talk nonsense conspiracy theories, the more you expose your lack of cognitive intelligence.

  90. Keo says:

    @Lady. I understand your position on this.

    @Kenna wow what?!

  91. Keo says:

    @Lady to be fair I don’t know what kind of MD he is. But the ones I work with sit in front of a computer all day. So it’s possible to be on all day. Lol

  92. LadyScarlett says:

    @keo, I used to think that, too…but, know better now. When people show their true selves to me, then I believe it. Actions speak, ya know….

  93. KennaKenna says:

    Wow wow wow!

  94. LadyScarlett says:

    “FunDude says:
    March 17, 2015 at 7:20 pm
    @Josh

    That is pretty nuts

    @Struggle

    Its only “mean” when I hit back huh? Yeah because I won’t tolerate your bullshit or Scarlett’s bullshit and will definitely hit back.

    @Vitenesse

    Cool story bro (proxy SB). How do you know I don’t want a long term relationship? I am interested in that in a quite high quality lady.

    Unfortunately, the quality of the vast majority of women on SA is too low”

    Yeah, I think the comment above pretty much sums it up. What alpha male writes, ‘will definitely hit back’, in regards to females on blog?…seems pretty immature and definitely not very alpha, or something that I would expect a busy doctor to be concerned with? More likened to someone who is addicted to being on blog all day and night and considers himself a blog god, of sorts…

  95. Keo says:

    @Struggle. Lmao!

    @Lady I normally don’t take him seriously anymore. He has been pretty decent recently. I don’t think it will last long.
    But @Josh.. I like him. I’m staying out of the little tiff he’s having with the SB’s. I think he’s a basically a good dude. :-)

  96. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “Fundud or betadude is a parody of Josh’s vitriol…is amusing and best and annoying pest at worst…he should be ignored most times, unless one feels like humouring him, like I did tonight..he is not to be taken seriously, keo.

    Awww, circular logic galore. First accuse @FunDude to be @Josh’s proxy and then convince yourself that YOU are able to humour the @Gure. Dream on lady. 😉

  97. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keo
    EXACTLY!
    @LadyS
    Was I not just saying this to you the other day?! Lmao Burn FunDude! Still here beta-bitchin’ it up while all us old fatties enjoy our lives with wonderful, generous men who adore us. Sigh… Life doesn’t suck 😉

  98. LadyScarlett says:

    Is amusing at best*

  99. LadyScarlett says:

    Fundud or betadude is a parody of Josh’s vitriol…is amusing and best and annoying pest at worst…he should be ignored most times, unless one feels like humouring him, like I did tonight..he is not to be taken seriously, keo.

    I like that Vitesse guy, too…seems like a reasonable and fair SD to me.

  100. Keo says:

    FYI.. I never had a problem with men in that age group anyway!

  101. Keo says:

    @Struggle I don’t understand some of the Blog SD. @FunDude told me I was too old, too fat and basically said I couldn’t get anyone under 55 / 60 . Yet I got an SD IRL who repeatedly tells me I’m fine and adores my old ass. 1 for Keo… @FunDude 0 Just sayin..

  102. StruggleIsReal says:

    @FunDude
    “The ladies around here basically demand the SDs to give big money for any obese whale, older woman, etc.”

    Please give one decent reference of such.

  103. StruggleIsReal says:

    @FunDude
    I guess you missed the part where @Vitesse said he’s been lurking here for a while.

    Yeah, any newbies, please do stick around and see just how awful the shaming language is here from the women. Lololololol

  104. FunDude says:

    Got to get to bed.

    I actually agree with almost everything Vit wrote in his recent discussion lol.

    If he keeps talking that way, he might make enemies around here.

    The ladies around here basically demand the SDs to give big money for any obese whale, older woman, etc.

    Better tow the line or feel the wrath of the SBs on this blog.

  105. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    You haven’t been here long enough to hear all the shaming language from some of the whales, older ladies, etc on here.

    When I basically said I wouldn’t pay much unless she was basically a “10”, there was literally a cacophony of “angry” women in here.

    That is what started the “hate” fest

  106. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    You finally had some intelligent things to say about marriage and other issues.

    No one “hates” women, we just understand the laws and are behaving accordingly.

    Basically, you just said you won’t pay much money unless a woman is a 10.

    Ergo, this is consistent with my views.

  107. LadyScarlett says:

    Is it that we have lots of women bashers, or just one, in many various proxy drag forms 😮 hehe

  108. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse

    “@StruggleIsReal
    “I am just chuckling.
    You should probably listen to FunDude, because he spends a good bit of his time on anti-female and men’s-power forums.“

    The irony is, I’ve looked at those MGTOW forums as well. I fully agree that men in our society get a raw deal when it comes to divorce/custody, and that things have gone past equality in many ways.

    The thing is I take away a completely different message. If you’ll get robbed in a divorce, don’t get married. If you’d lose custody then have a kid with a surrogate. Its not rocket science. None of this is a reason to hate women. So divorce courts favor women, and after 20 years of marriage a woman who hates you will do horrible things to you, how is this a shock? It does not mean women are evil.

    The solution is simple, the sugar bowl, nobody takes more than you freely give, nobody makes you stay if someone mistreats you. Terms are laid out, very much like in marriage, the contract is simply far far better.”

    Yes! Take the info available and make good decisions. I have no problem with anyone’s opinions about how things are, and how they decide to move forward with those opinions and whatever information they find valuable. This is everyone’s prerogative and right in life!
    But to harbor (and promote) a hatred for the opposite sex, is simply sick, on either end.

    Your approach and views sound completely on point for the sugar bowl.
    And honestly, I can’t lie… it’s nice to have a non-woman-basher here for a few minutes! Sheesh!
    I wish you the best!

  109. VitesseSD says:

    @FunBube
    “Cool story bro (proxy SB). How do you know I don’t want a long term relationship? I am interested in that in a quite high quality lady.”
    *Brofist*
    Well we both know that marriage and kids is a shitty deal, but if you still want to, beta on.

    What was your line? betas gonna beta?

  110. StruggleIsReal says:

    @FunDude
    For the record, I have not mentioned bad looks of anyone on here, other than in a realistic context of equation variables.
    @peeps has never said anything about “meanness” , as far as I know, in regards to evaluating one’s looks.
    She asked a question, I answered in my honest perspective.
    I don’t feel that any girl, or SB, should go out with a man who she finds physically repulsive, no more than I think a man should do such with a woman, no matter what the upshot may be (sex, money, etc.).

  111. VitesseSD says:

    @Josh
    “Make the most out of the honeymoon period. That time is priceless.”
    The main benefit of sugar is once the honeymoon period is over the relationship can be too.
    Why be miserable.
    I’m 30.

    @DarkHorse
    “Do you not come across countless SBs who magically work 24/7/52 for $100s/hr?”
    Unbelievable stories get nowhere with me, I just move on.

    “You just don’t recognize, understand or appreciate the damage you do to the sugar ecosystem making huge mistakes like that. Not only are you hurting yourself a lot, but you are hurting everyone else and drawing in and creating such bad elements.”

    I seriously doubt I’m doing much damage, I tend to only go after 10’s who are too young to have gone baby crazy. The occasional whale or lottery winner doesn’t ruin the economy after all. I also assure you I’m not hurting myself.

    “What’s the centurion card?”

    The actual name for the black amex card.

    @sokate
    FunDude seems to have his own definition of alpha/beta, and it clearly has little bearing on reality

    @StruggleIsReal
    “I am just chuckling.
    You should probably listen to FunDude, because he spends a good bit of his time on anti-female and men’s-power forums.“

    The irony is, I’ve looked at those MGTOW forums as well. I fully agree that men in our society get a raw deal when it comes to divorce/custody, and that things have gone past equality in many ways.

    The thing is I take away a completely different message. If you’ll get robbed in a divorce, don’t get married. If you’d lose custody then have a kid with a surrogate. Its not rocket science. None of this is a reason to hate women. So divorce courts favor women, and after 20 years of marriage a woman who hates you will do horrible things to you, how is this a shock? It does not mean women are evil.

    The solution is simple, the sugar bowl, nobody takes more than you freely give, nobody makes you stay if someone mistreats you. Terms are laid out, very much like in marriage, the contract is simply far far better.

    @Fundude
    “I am unsure if that Vitnesse is even a male. I figure its a SB proxy trying to make SDs look like chumps who will just give away 10K for nothing.”
    Read what I said, I said if I feel she’s worth it. For a SB to get 10k a month from the start she’d better be on the cover of everything at a newsstand. That’s not nothing.
    If you’re so unwilling to part with money why are you here?

  112. FunDude says:

    Notice how these “ladies” on here are talking shit about the looks and age of some SD. It apparently isn’t “mean” if they speak badly about a SD.

    However, when we speak about the fat, older, etc sugar babies, then all of a sudden it is “mean”.

    Hypocrisy much?

  113. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    That is pretty nuts

    @Struggle

    Its only “mean” when I hit back huh? Yeah because I won’t tolerate your bullshit or Scarlett’s bullshit and will definitely hit back.

    @Vitenesse

    Cool story bro (proxy SB). How do you know I don’t want a long term relationship? I am interested in that in a quite high quality lady.

    Unfortunately, the quality of the vast majority of women on SA is too low

  114. LadyScarlett says:

    “peeps says:
    March 17, 2015 at 6:33 pm
    @all…
    got a mssg from a man who is offering the top level allowance…but he is very unattractive, I mean VERY unattractive, terrible dresser… and too old (30+ age difference)…I can’t do it…should I at least meet him in person? I am repulsed by the pictures…looks like he could be older than my dad…it’s not even that he is old, it’s that he is so unattractive on so many levels…I am almost curious but I know that men who offer too much also want too much in return…”

    I agree with struggles, peeps…if you cannot even stand the sight of his pictures, then how will you feel when you meet…

  115. DarkHorseSD says:

    Surely if you didn’t do well, you merely have to double down, no triple down…wait, quadruple down and then everything will just be great.

    You just haven’t risked enough to get the best. Risk more so your odds improve.

    Anecdotes of good results from doing things the stupid way are traps.

  116. Josh says:

    Re: Sugar Shit Test

    Earlier in the evening, this single mother, who I met for meet and greet last week, and did not even touch her for a quick section, put me through rape shit test.

    We were texting, and making plans to meet tomorrow. All of a sudden she told me that she was going to police that I raped her. I am pretty calm with these idiots. I changed my course of conversation and went into the defensive mode. The very calmly told her to do whatever she must and that my lawyers will deal with police if they contacted me.

    I received her text few minutes later that she was putting me through a test to see if I were a rapist, and that the way I responded, she knew that I was a “good guy.”

    Women just have too much “nuisance power”, which they like to call “pussy power” or “women power” or “girl power” or whatever.

    I was interested in her…but now…NEXT!!!

  117. LadyScarlett says:

    “FunDude says:
    March 17, 2015 at 6:46 pm
    @Struggle

    The dude was on here less than a month ago talking about what a piece of shit Scarlett was.

    I have a feeling he was telling the truth.”

    You are nuts, and definitely Josh…keep posting. Giving yourself away as each post goes on. Of course, I did get the creepy email awhile back to ‘watch out, and not mess with the guru’. What a little cowardly creep. I see why you have issues with women in real life. What woman would put up with that kind of crazy nonsense.

  118. VitesseSD says:

    @FunDude
    “You keep telling yourself that lol. Also, the description of 150-300 to bang was the attempt to distort my viewpoint about these value of these women.

    I have discussed the value proposition based upon youth and beauty. I have argued that a large number of the women on SA don’t deserve even a minimal allowance.

    This was done through using median income analyses, etc. Its before your time here.”

    I was lurking for a while and all the old blogs are still there, I believe I know what you’re talking about.

    Your entire theory on youth and beauty is logical, except for its giant flaw.
    You are essentially valueless. Consider the following.

    What good does a HNW do a woman if a man will not marry her? If he will not have children with her? Its irrelevant. If you are giving a woman nothing, and are unwilling to commit, you will provide no children, and no benefit. How are you better for her than a broke drummer in some band?

    The simple answer is you’re not better. I don’t care if she’s 20 or 30. Unless you are willing to have children you are probably taking away the most valuable thing in her life that you could provide. How much money would I have to pay you before you’d be willing to undergo a non reversible vasectomy? Even if you don’t want children you’d probably be hesitant to do it. Men can have children at any age, a man who will not have children is taking a woman’s capacity to have children.

    If you’re that stubborn about wanting to talk about value, remember your potential value is in looks, ability/willingness to provide, ability/willingness to have children.
    Ability means nothing if you are unwilling. Even if you have looks you’re only getting 1/3. Better looks will win every time. Anyone more attractive, younger or willing to offer more has a higher value to women.

  119. DarkHorseSD says:

    “-Everyone knows the centurion card.”

    What’s the centurion card?

  120. StruggleIsReal says:

    @FunDude
    Honestly, you are just here being a complete asshole right now. I have nothing else to say to you. You are making low-blows, making no sense, and aren’t worth my worry.
    I have seen you “rip apart” no one. You’re going to have to try a little harder, little one. Use those muscles (you work out, bro?).

    If you are referring to @Vitesse as being MY proxy, haha, THANK YOU! He has been nothing but respectful and benign in his comments. I take that as a compliment.
    You on the other hand, not so much.

  121. StruggleIsReal says:

    @sokate
    [High five!]

    @peeps
    Hun, no. If “repulsed” comes to mind, no no and no.

  122. FunDude says:

    @Struggle

    You seem mad that I am ripping apart your proxy SD.

  123. FunDude says:

    @Struggle

    The dude was on here less than a month ago talking about what a piece of shit Scarlett was.

    I have a feeling he was telling the truth.

  124. FunDude says:

    @DarkHorse

    I am unsure if that Vitnesse is even a male. I figure its a SB proxy trying to make SDs look like chumps who will just give away 10K for nothing.

    This will attempt to “shame” other SDs into being fools that throw their money away.

    Most rich guys don’t throw money away with no value. Thats how they got rich! By not throwing money away lol

  125. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse
    I am just chuckling.
    You should probably listen to FunDude, because he spends a good bit of his time on anti-female and men’s-power forums.

    @FunDude
    Pretty lame low-blow to pull a completely unrelated old thing which didn’t involve you whatsoever out of the woodworks in an effort to defame @LadyS.
    And rather interesting, considering that you weren’t even on the blog then (nor was I).
    Keep showing those true colors.

  126. peeps says:

    @all…
    got a mssg from a man who is offering the top level allowance…but he is very unattractive, I mean VERY unattractive, terrible dresser… and too old (30+ age difference)…I can’t do it…should I at least meet him in person? I am repulsed by the pictures…looks like he could be older than my dad…it’s not even that he is old, it’s that he is so unattractive on so many levels…I am almost curious but I know that men who offer too much also want too much in return…

  127. DarkHorseSD says:

    “tl;dr I never said I’d give a girl 10k a month AND gifts. If a girl is stupid enough to leave me after I give her a gift its her loss, not mine. In fact I’d be better off because I’d be out of a relationship with a golddigger who cared nothing for me. I’m not getting married and giving away half my assets, so I fail to see how what I’m doing is “beta behavior”.

    ———–

    Errrrr…you should be so lucky to be out of such a relationship after only giving away 10K? Try your luck without giving away the 10K. It might be better for you.

    You just don’t recognize, understand or appreciate the damage you do to the sugar ecosystem making huge mistakes like that. Not only are you hurting yourself a lot, but you are hurting everyone else and drawing in and creating such bad elements.

  128. sokate says:

    Chiming in from the sideline here, but I thought I’d share some notes from a psychological standpoint. If I remember correctly, @Josh/@FunDude only grasps a couple of things – empirical evidence being one of them. And boobs.

    «[Alpha behaviour] was found to increase attraction only when the hypothetical partner also was high in such prosocial qualities as agreeableness and altruism […] An [alpha male] who obtains resources will be a desirable partner only to the extent that he is willing to share those resources with the mate and offspring» (Burger and Cosby, 1999).

    The research also suggests that some types of women will still pick the dominant alpha over the upstanding man. That is, women with a ‘fast life’ history and insecure attachment, who hold hostile attitudes about their fellow females. While it certainly is possible to pick up some types of women by acting ‘alpha,’ because of the kind of women this behavior attracts, the girls you (yes, I’m talking to you @FunDude) land will probably not be girls you consider ‘worthy’ of being your SB. Men who go for the alpha male ideology will often fall victim to a selection bias in regards to their perception of women: because the women who are attracted to them are less stable and more promiscuous, they come to believe that all women are crazy.

    That being said, @FunDude’s obsession with what constitutes ‘alpha’ behaviour seems pretty beta to me.

    I second @Kenna and @Struggle. @Vit, your input is very welcome!

  129. DarkHorseSD says:

    VitSD ““Its one thing if she were to tell me that in order to spend more time with me she needs help covering her rent and car payments rather than work x number of jobs. ”

    Do you not come across countless SBs who magically work 24/7/52 for $100s/hr?

  130. LadyScarlett says:

    “FunDude says:
    March 17, 2015 at 6:14 pm
    @Vit

    I am becoming skeptical you are even a man. The comment “dear god, what did some woman do to you” is used as female shaming language tactics 101.”

    Total Josh lingo…101

  131. FunDude says:

    @josh

    Vitesse just used three shaming language comments in a paragraph that sounded very feminine. Ergo, it is a safe assumption it isn’t a dude.

    Read his last comment again.

  132. Josh says:

    @VitesseSD

    How old are you?

  133. DarkHorseSD says:

    Josh says:
    March 17, 2015 at 4:29 pm
    However, I must say that the crop of SBs in the during past few weeks has been better than what we have had for most of 2014.

    I bet that SA has stopped running cheesy ads, and is screen SBs better.”

    I don’t know how SA cheapens the brand they way they did over the years and then tries to launch Perfect Arrangement.

    Brandon’s mother may have finally put her foot down.

  134. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    I am becoming skeptical you are even a man. The comment “dear god, what did some woman do to you” is used as female shaming language tactics 101.

    That isn’t a masculine thing to say and I rarely hear men using that terminology. I am becoming concerned that you are just a fake SD proxy now.

    @Lady

    LOL cool story

  135. Josh says:

    “If I want to be in an actual relationship and take care of the woman I’m with, I must be a “beta”. After all, women are all bloodsucking leaches who’ll take your money and run to have sex with a manlier man.

    Make the most out of the honeymoon period. That time is priceless. 😉

  136. LadyScarlett says:

    Don’t make it too obvious fundud/Josh…you know, am sure a Dr. would concern himself with such crazy blog drama, but I know a Josh in fundud drag would, hehe.

  137. VitesseSD says:

    @FunDude
    “If you want to beta it up, then beta it up. Just don’t act like no one has warned you.

    10K or 100 dollars, either one is retarded to waste on a worthless female.”

    Dear god, what did some woman do to you? I can guess, but still. Do you really want to go through life hating women? Personally I’d much rather hope for the best, and never give anything I can’t easily afford to give.

  138. FunDude says:

    @Lady

    I read about it when you and him were arguing about a month ago. I was trying to understand what the hostility was about.

    The dude basically said you tried to report him or something. I think he called you out on your bullshit.

    He sounded 100% accurate in his assessment of you. Don’t know where he went though, would’ve liked to hear more from him.

    @Vit

    You keep telling yourself that lol. Also, the description of 150-300 to bang was the attempt to distort my viewpoint about these value of these women.

    I have discussed the value proposition based upon youth and beauty. I have argued that a large number of the women on SA don’t deserve even a minimal allowance.

    This was done through using median income analyses, etc. Its before your time here.

  139. LadyScarlett says:

    No, fundude, I am not in my 50’s…and, being in 30’s is getting only deters the SD’s that I do not want, anyways, so not an issue so far….hey, didn’t you say a 60 something messaged you the other day? Hehe

    and no, I did not threaten any lawsuits and demand anyone be banned…once again, that was the other person you mentioned. Funny, I didn’t think you were on blog back then 😉

  140. VitesseSD says:

    @LadyScarlett
    “Vitesse, you must understand that several blog ‘SD’s’ who believe gifting an allowance over $150 to $300 per meet,(only if sex is involved, of course, or no per meeting payment at all) is ridiculous and they are being taken to the cleaners…”

    I’m trying to figure out how that is different from prostitution, I cant see the difference. But I suppose that clarifies things a fair bit.

    If I want to be in an actual relationship and take care of the woman I’m with, I must be a “beta”. After all, women are all bloodsucking leaches who’ll take your money and run to have sex with a manlier man. If you take care of a woman you cant possibly be manly. Only an idiot would give a woman more than the going rate for prostitutes right? Right?

    I suppose if you treat a woman like a prostitute, then gave her enough money that she didn’t need you anymore she’d want nothing to do with you. Guys I think I solved the problem. Don’t treat SBs like prostitutes.

  141. FunDude says:

    @lady

    I thought you were in your 50s lol. Also, weren’t you crying to management to attempt to get that dude banned because he called you out on your bullshit?

    30s for a woman is still getting up there for sugaring.

    @Struggle

    I am speaking the truth sweetie.

    @Vit

    If you want to beta it up, then beta it up. Just don’t act like no one has warned you.

    @Kenna

    10K or 100 dollars, either one is retarded to waste on a worthless female.

    @

  142. VitesseSD says:

    @Muah
    “Lol – Wait I am getting blamed for a purse convo!? “

    Yes, I learned that one from women, its always the other gender’s fault, and don’t let facts cloud the issue.

    @StruggleIsReal
    “Warning: Most of the blog SDs are not going to take well to you.
    Don’t bother with that though.
    It’s nice to have your input.“

    Well that prediction was accurate.

  143. KennaKenna says:

    And 10K is a whole lot to some people and then to others 10k is nothing.

  144. KennaKenna says:

    @Vitesse

    For what it’s worth, I like you/your input to the blog and don’t think you’re beta at all. :-)

  145. LadyScarlett says:

    Vitesse, you must understand that several blog ‘SD’s’ who believe gifting an allowance over $150 to $300 per meet,(only if sex is involved, of course, or no per meeting payment at all) is ridiculous and they are being taken to the cleaners…

  146. LadyScarlett says:

    Actually, that is pretty common for fundude to say to the person, ‘fatty’, ‘old’ or ‘beta’ if they make a logical disagreement about anything he says….Fundude is the most annoying of the proxies for sure ):

  147. VitesseSD says:

    @LadyScarlett
    “Vitesse try not to take some of these posters seriously…Josh, fundude and in my opinion, a couple others are all Josh, posting under various identities on blog to cause negativity and annoyance to other posters.”

    Its pretty clear that whoever they are they havent actually read my posts beyond seeing the occasional number.

    @all
    If you have a problem with a SD giving a SB gifts what in the world are you doing here? If you have a problem with the size of my gifts, thats fine, I’m not giving them to you.

    I dont get where you’re getting the notion that women take my money and run, in my experience the problem has been the opposite. (Think stalkers.)

    @Fundude
    “Vit will go back to working 16-20 hours in a cubicle/room to pay to have “coffee” with Bad Boy’s sloppy seconds.”

    Don’t assume I need to work 16-20 hours a day. I dont need to work at all, I could spend five minutes a day managing my assets and live a life of luxury. I work because I choose to do so. My work is very demanding but I find it rewarding. Life gets boring fast if you do nothing.

  148. StruggleIsReal says:

    I also love the default position of @FunDude’s…
    Anyone who comes against him is instantly “old” and/or a “fatty”. Oh, and I forgot, “ugly”.

    This if for a guy who has not one blog member who has seen corroborating photos of him.

    Hmmmmm don’t think to hard folks.

  149. StruggleIsReal says:

    Just point and laugh at the freak shows. Our little “alpha” blog nazis who come to complain incessantly about the same damn things, over and over again. Get a fucking life. Gosh, and I thought men were logical, fix-it types! I guess the man I am with, who has no complaints, and gets everything he wants and needs, is a beta too. hahahaha

  150. StruggleIsReal says:

    I love watching the bitters just bitter themselves into corners! @Josh and @FunDude.
    Bitter bitter bitter!

  151. LadyScarlett says:

    No, fundude, he did threaten to sue me for defamation of his blog character…he is/was another one of our resident blog nutters, hehe 😉 but hey, am still waiting on his lawsuit(s) for each one of his many blog characters, hehe

    Vitesse, if you consider a woman in her 30’s to be an old lady(since fundude is in his 30’s, too, but isn’t an ‘old man’), then please disregard my statements 😮

    Fundude, how can I win an argument with you, when I make too much sense, and you do not want to agree with logical or sensical statements? You like the arguing for the sake of it, and usually over the same idiotic things daily…like, you are too young and hot to pay an allowance, you think only certain women on SA are worthy of an allowance from such a young, hot doctor who could otherwise get them for free…you get ridiculous messages daily…blah blah blah…yawn yawn yawn.

  152. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    You are laughable.

    “THAT is not a use of “hate” for some flyby blogger. That word was used to defend @flyR’s habitual female fantasy-stroking posts, and was used only a couple of days ago.”

    HAHA! A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
    I was conversing upon a topic that was relevant LAST NIGHT.
    Pulling up my past conversations’ words, irrelevant to the current topic, and integrating them at your chosen will to try to prove some nonsensical point, does nothing for you.

    Adorable, really cute try though. Maybe try again?! I’m sure you could dig deeper into past blogs and find words that you could copy and paste. LoL

  153. FunDude says:

    @Lady

    You say that because you can’t win the debates with me. Aren’t you the chick that had some fight with a guy on this blog and threatened to sue him?

    WTF is up with that?

    @FlyR

    The resident mangina is back.

    Tell us more about the people coming out of undergrad making over 650K with less than 2 years experience.

  154. flyR says:

    @Lady
    I have to come down on the other side of the idea that giving $10K to someone who would have accepted $2k is ALWAYS going to improve the outcome. So many women ( and men) lack situational awareness…. instead of being grateful it only nudges them towards more reckless behavior. And it works both ways. On the other side the SD needs to try to keep situational awareness ( and hope for good guesses) to decide if it’s the big allowance or more reliability, more toys or more play that will nurture the relationship.

    Donald Sterling’s playmate was getting more than a $mil a year and still messing with his aged brain.

  155. LadyScarlett says:

    Fundude, my comments to you have nothing to do with your assessment of youth and beauty….I have no problem in that department, and really could care less of your viewpoints on that issue you seem obsessed with. my problems are with your assessment of making up false hypotheticals of vitesse’s hypothetical arrangement scenarios. That, and I am pretty sure you are Josh, posting in drag, hehehe 😮

  156. FunDude says:

    @Lady

    I am giving examples of extreme beta behavior. This is the reality of the game. You can’t treat women too nicely or they will sabotage the situation.

    I have never seen a situation with women under 45 EVER work out well when you “treated her like a princess”.

    That is why the “bad boy” does so much better. He is more dominant and doesn’t allow the “princess” to push him around. That is sexy to women in their subconcious thought process.

    Scarlet, I don’t believe in marriage without an iron clad prenup (and even then she better be VERY VERY good).

    Its really that simple.

  157. LadyScarlett says:

    Average arrangement duration 3-6 months, I meant…

  158. FunDude says:

    Vit, listen to whoever you want to.

    Take the beta route if you want. See how it ends up. Its up to you bro.

    LadyScarlett is an old lady that wants to pretend we are all “proxies” because it makes her feel better.

    I have told her already about market value of women (SMP) is dependent on youth and beauty. Of course she doesn’t like this reality, so will try to negate my comments as a “proxy”

  159. LadyScarlett says:

    @fundude, but she stuck around for the money for 10 years, right? She didn’t leave right away….I mean, comparing a gold-digging woman who married for his title and potential for money making, to an arrangement(that is based an allowance, anyways, so is more straightforward) that would never last that long, in most instances is silly. Isn’t the average arrangement time 3 to 6 months, anyways….? It’s not like he was planning on marrying the hypothetical woman he would pay off school loans to, anyway…he was making the point that it WAS cheaper, in the long run, than a divorce, even if hypothetical SB did take the money and run. How can you not see that logic?

  160. VitesseSD says:

    @FlyBoy
    “So we are back to assessing net worth?!!!!!! lol

    OK, how many 22 yo know this when they see it?
    []http://tinyurl.com/lhykox3[]

    Or this?
    []http://tinyurl.com/p9yac6n[]

    Or indeed this?
    []http://tinyurl.com/n29aybu[]”

    No, the things I listed would not separate a millionaire from a billionaire. Hell, a person would not even need to be a millionaire to have the things I listed if they were reckless with their money. They are not an effective measure of net worth. They would however filter out the broke time-wasters.

    As for your links.
    -I’ll admit most women do not know watches, but they should be able to spot good craftsmanship.
    -I wouldn’t be caught dead in those shoes. I don’t care what they cost. (Not that they’re expensive.)
    -Everyone knows the centurion card.

  161. FunDude says:

    No one at my place can “understand” why she did it. From a logical perspective, it doesn’t make sense since he was doing “everything right” according to conventional courting strategies.

    She didn’t have to work, bought her a 100K Range Rover, nice house, vacations, etc. He was very nice to her and didn’t “abuse” her in the least. Treated her as a PRINCESS.

    Yet she cheated on him with some bad boy dude she had met in high school because I’m sure the dude was more alpha in nature.

    Another person who works at my practice (single mommy) told me a story about another guy who had some money with a “yacht” (probably just some boat on Lake Michigan but not extremely expensive). He apparently made “good money” and was very respectful to his previous ex girlfriend.

    Turns out she cheated on this beta with some dude. He caught his girlfriend fucking the guy in his own “yacht”.

    Apparently, the beta has taken her back despite getting cheated on.

  162. LadyScarlett says:

    Vitesse try not to take some of these posters seriously…Josh, fundude and in my opinion, a couple others are all Josh, posting under various identities on blog to cause negativity and annoyance to other posters.

  163. FunDude says:

    @Scarlett

    You clearly have no clue about female mentality and sexual behavior dynamics.

    For instance, one of my partners recently got divorced. The dude makes over 1 million/ year ( I know everyone’s pay checks) and married some chick about 7 years younger than him who was pretty hot looking.

    Turns out, she was fucking her ex boyfriend from high school who was a total loser on the side.

    She decided to tell him at the 10 year mark that she wasn’t “in love” with him. She stated “I have never loved you before”.

    Now he lost his house, half his assets, alimony, child support, etc. Dude got destroyed.

    He was a total beta who thought being a “good provider” would work. He bought her a Range Rover, nice house, took care of her so she didn’t work, etc.

    Thats reality baby.

  164. FunDude says:

    Josh, Im actually doing a community service to these betas.

    These dumbass betas actually think they are getting somewhere giving these women their hard earned money for the chance to have “coffee” with them.

    They don’t seem to realize the same chicks they are paying 10K to have “coffee” or “friendship” with are getting banged out by some bad boy in EVERY POSITION POSSIBLE.

    Betas need to take a more Alpha mentality or they will get totally destroyed and taken advantage of.

    These women out here aren’t playing with these betas. They will tell them nice sweet things while they take major advantage of them.

  165. LadyScarlett says:

    “@Vit

    Depends on how much of a “gift” you gave her.

    Its pretty beta to give some chick 10K and then she walks on you. I don’t give a shit if she got half of your assets or not.

    Letting a chick get 10K and run without any benefit is the definition of beta.

    Betas gonna beta”

    Why the heck do you keeping typing that?…as far as I have read, vitesse has not given any chick 10k yet, so she has not ‘run’. You really want an MBA? Here is lesson…follow the money. If the guy is gifting his chick 10k, odds are she is not running anywhere because he is likely not to stop at the 10k, but will be giving more where that came from. Plus, he said he was relatively young and attractive, so…a fool would run from an SD who was being that generous, and odds are, if he is offering that amount, or to gift nice lifestyle improvements, or wanting to better her life by helping pay off school loans, then he is picking top quality SBs. Not the lower level scam artist SBs who take a prepaid half monthly $1,500 or 2,000 allowance from some guy they are not even attracted to, then running far away.

  166. FunDude says:

    Correction: While she gets banged out by a BAD BOY for free and/or while she spend’s Vit’s money on him is BETA.

    Vit will go back to working 16-20 hours in a cubicle/room to pay to have “coffee” with Bad Boy’s sloppy seconds.

    Ergo, thats beta.

  167. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    Incorrect.

    Beta is pretty congruent in behavior patterns. Vit giving 10K to a chick to have some “coffee” with him while she gets banged out by some bad boy is BETA.

    Where has my beta “shaming” been dynamic?

    Like I said, betas gonna beta.

  168. Josh says:

    @VitesseSD

    @FunDude calls pretty much everyone beta. His “beta” is pretty dynamic. So He may call you alpha one day and beta the other day. So I wouldn’t worry about his beta-shaming.

    No one was worried about alpha, beta, theta, gamma, omega, zeta, etc., before he showed up on the blog. @flyR was our resident mangina, and that was that. 😉

  169. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    Are there many desperate betas on here giving these sluts money to “hang out”? Crazy stuff.

    The chick dresses and looks like a stripper too lol.

    Why the fuck would I want to “hang out” with a stripper?

    @Vit

    Depends on how much of a “gift” you gave her.

    Its pretty beta to give some chick 10K and then she walks on you. I don’t give a shit if she got half of your assets or not.

    Letting a chick get 10K and run without any benefit is the definition of beta.

    Betas gonna beta

  170. VitesseSD says:

    @OnlineNewbieSD

    “My issue is with the presumption that looking at the cost of living in an area and not just saying “she’s my SB and deserves $10k a month in allowance and another couple grand in gifts and entertainment (just because)” is fantasy…”

    We seem to have gotten our wires crossed, I clearly said, on several occasions
    “Its one thing if she were to tell me that in order to spend more time with me she needs help covering her rent and car payments rather than work x number of jobs. I believe most SDs would rather pay for these things and have more time with their SB.
    However if a SB were to come at me with a fixed number like 5k, assuming I felt she was worth it, she’d probably get it, and nothing more. I would not pay off her student loans, I would not give her cars or a condo, etc. Treating things like a transaction means things become a transaction.”

    “There is a huge difference in my mind between a girl who says “I’d love to go on that trip/spend more time with with you but I have work to cover my rent/car” which would lead to “I need x amount to be able to spend more time with you” This is entirely different from saying on date n “I want x amount” where x does not appear to come close to her cost of living.”

    “If he comes from an affluent background though, saying that she needs at least some money in addition to gifts to help cover living expenses would be far better in the long run.”

    “if a SB asked me to give her 5k-10k+ a month, if I felt she was worth it, I would give it to her. She wouldn’t know how I felt about the number. I would not however pay off her student loans, buy her cars, or condos etc. However if she simply asked me to cover her cost of living I would, and she would get significant gifts (I’m not talking about purses).
    If the average SB asked for 5-10k a month, I would not believe those were her living expenses unless she was living well beyond her means* (or somewhere expensive). The way I see it theres a few possibilities for a SB.
    -She is struggling to make it.
    -She is doing ok but would like some luxury in her life.
    -She wants as much as she can possibly get.
    I’m fine with the first two possibilities but the third is not something I want in my life. Its one thing to say, I want whoever I’m with to live well, its something else to feel you’re with someone who wants to bleed you for whatever they can. If a woman is treating me like an ATM, I will treat her like an escort.“

    “Women often feel unappreciated in relationships, feeling that men do nothing for them, even if he’s supporting them. I don’t see any of this as compensation, gifts are gifts allowance included, and keeping a general policy of small allowance big gifts just seems logical to me.”

    As you can see I’m not advocating throwing 10k a month at a SB AND paying off student loans etc. I am saying if a SB kept her request for an allowance reasonable and near the cost of living I’d see that as a sign that she needs help, but is not just using me or trying to bleed me dry.

    If the relationship lasted long enough she I would give her significant gifts. I see nothing wrong with this. I do not see it as “beta behavior” and if she left me after I gave her a gift, I wouldn’t be happy about it, but its hardly the cost of a divorce, its not even a drop in the bucket compared to a divorce.

    To quote myself again:
    “If she bolts after I pay off her student loans she clearly didnt care for me. I’d be better off without someone like that in my life. Since I wouldn’t be married it’s not like she’d be doing any real damage.”

    I don’t want someone who doesn’t care for me in my life, I also don’t want to feel like a girl is only with me because she needs my help. I don’t see why I keep getting accused of beta behavior, I’m not giving away half my assets. If a girl leaves me, its her loss, not mine.

    tl;dr I never said I’d give a girl 10k a month AND gifts. If a girl is stupid enough to leave me after I give her a gift its her loss, not mine. In fact I’d be better off because I’d be out of a relationship with a golddigger who cared nothing for me. I’m not getting married and giving away half my assets, so I fail to see how what I’m doing is “beta behavior”.

  171. Josh says:

    However, I must say that the crop of SBs in the during past few weeks has been better than what we have had for most of 2014.

    I bet that SA has stopped running cheesy ads, and is screen SBs better.

  172. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    ‘Her response was “companionship to dinners and friendship”.’

    Unfortunately many SBs think that the SDs are so desperate for companionship and friendship. I am sure some SDs are, but…

  173. LadyScarlett says:

    @kenna, that is a nice tradition and southern, too…

    How about those nice charm bracelets for when you travel to different cities as well as international…some of the charms are cute.

  174. FunDude says:

    @All

    Just had a few SBs email me.

    One said we had to “talk more before trading pics”. She had a “moderate” expectation. Why would I continue to talk with someone who demands a moderate expectation without pics? That is almost essentially immediately.

    The other sugar baby said he wants an arraignment. I asked what I would get out of it.

    Her response was “companionship to dinners and friendship”. I asked what benefit do I get out of that arrangement.

    I offered to take her out to dinner or coffee for free lol

  175. KennaKenna says:

    @Southern

    About a year ago, I started collecting Christmas Tree Ornaments for every place SD and I visited together, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a city either, for e.g. I got one from Radio City Music Hall and another one from a vineyard in Napa so now every Christmas our tree will be filled with memories from all the fun stuff we’ve done together.

    SD realized I did this last year when I put up the tree, and he went online and ordered ornaments for the first year we were together and I wasn’t collecting and gave me those 15 ornaments as one of my Christmas presents. That melted me.

    He is not super affectionate and lovey dovey but when he does little thoughtful things like that, it melts me.

  176. LadyScarlett says:

    A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste….

    Maybe, you are imagining/visualizing a toilet because you are constipated?(might explain some of the grumpiness….hehe).

  177. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “Hey, whatever floats the boat or tickles the pickle is fine and don’t judge, as long as they are not breaking the laws with underage girls…”

    Your mind is in toilet about men as usual? It clearly demonstrates how men are visualized by women as creeps…except for those who have been named sexiest men alive.

  178. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “@Josh
    I was talking about recent, relevant conversation. Yes, I have, at times in my life, said the word “hate”. Josh you are being ridiculous and grabbing for straws. Way to make it obvious.”

    THAT is not a use of “hate” for some flyby blogger. That word was used to defend @flyR’s habitual female fantasy-stroking posts, and was used only a couple of days ago. And it was directed to no more than three bloggers, @Guru (70%), @FunDude (20-25%) and @FB (5-10%).

    @Guru grabs only few things: boobs, empirical data and logic. 😉

  179. LadyScarlett says:

    “Josh says:
    March 17, 2015 at 3:37 pm
    Forget being carded for drinks, there are babies who, when they go to restaurants with their daddies, have special child seats brought to them. ”

    Hey, whatever floats the boat or tickles the pickle is fine and don’t judge, as long as they are not breaking the laws with underage girls…

  180. SouthernSB says:

    Hey SBS I have a question, what’s the most unusual thing you ever asked your SD to give you? When my SD went to Quebec and I couldn’t go with him I had him buy me those coffee mugs from the tourist outlet. I love traveling and I just like to collect souvenir coffee cups and things like that. I have cups from Tiffany’s, Vieques PR, A really tacky one from FL that I can’t drink out of because it has feathers on it, and the ones from Canada. If I get another SD and we travel I’m going to get coffee cups from everywhere we go. I know it isn’t sexy SB gifts, but it is original and fun.

  181. a latin opinion says:

    @gentleman gracias querido.

    @struggles I will, believed or not I was about to ask for the same lol

    Good day guys.

  182. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    I was talking about recent, relevant conversation. Yes, I have, at times in my life, said the word “hate”. Josh you are being ridiculous and grabbing for straws. Way to make it obvious.

  183. Josh says:

    Forget being carded for drinks, there are babies who, when they go to restaurants with their daddies, have special child seats brought to them. 😉

  184. StruggleIsReal says:

    Wow @Josh…
    LoL, that was a stretch. Really, wow. You continue to impress me, and not in a good way.

  185. LadyScarlett says:

    Been carded*

  186. LadyScarlett says:

    “FatB’StardSD says:
    March 17, 2015 at 1:31 pm
    Every blog SB “gets carded” at bars even though they are in their 30’s and 40’s.”

    If any woman takes being carded as a compliment in the states, then she hasn’t been out to dinner when people who clearly in their late 50’s have been carded, haha! Some places will care anyone who looks under 65, lol. That being said, to get carded on countries where the legal drinking age is 18 might be more flattering, but just a theory…:-o

  187. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal: “I like @flyR, and don’t like all the hate he gets here on this board”

    @StruggleIsReal: “@Josh
    I never said you “hate” anyone here. I never even used that word. Don’t put words in my virtual mouth please.”

  188. FunDude says:

    Faked photoshopped male physiques from men’s fitness. Pretty pathetic

    {{http://mdskevin.weebly.com/1/post/2013/12/mens-fitness-magazine-with-the-magic-touch-of-photoshop.html}}

  189. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    The equivalent situation for a SD (as the Vitesse mangina comments) is some hot 22 y/o super model female who wants to bang for free or very little

  190. DarkHorseSD says:

    Ok

    I’m older shorter fatter

    Damn there’s no option for bald

  191. DarkHorseSD says:

    Forgot I should take off 5″ too. Thanks

  192. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    Yeah, if no luck as of yet, probably no good reason to re-up.
    I am just musing here… do you think your aim could be off? It is just hard to believe that after all this time, no luck ? Something seems to be off-kilter.
    If one was to believe SA’s projections, it’s a SD’s feast out there. If one is to read the blog and make their own judgements, it’s a SBs delight, with SDs never finding anything.

    We as SBs are schooled over and over again by you blog SDs about how unrealistic we all are. But most of the blog SBs have found success and are more than happy. @Midwest and @flyR are happy SDs, having found adequate arrangements on SA that have not involved any girl running off with a SD’s money.

    I am beyond happy with my lot, and actually had to turn away two other incredible SDs because things became serious with my one. Either SA is straight up lying about the amount of females v. males on this site, or you guys have got to get it together. Something isn’t adding up. Let’s figure it out. What’s your profile ?

  193. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle – $70 per month (there’s a discount if you “buy in bulk”)

    Can’t see joining again for ONE profile…I’d rather be ready for a couple more IRL benefactor situations…besides…the ONE profile that’s drawing me toward the membership here is local and if her profile represents her well, she would be easy to pick out of a crowd…

  194. StruggleIsReal says:

    @latin
    email me at struggleisreal at gmail dot com

    I am interested to know more about you.

  195. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    How much is it each time you rejoin?

  196. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle – not yet…two IRL prospects I’m slow playing…I just caught a couple of new profiles in my search that might mean I rejoin this site…but I really don’t want to…

  197. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    Do you have a SB yet?

  198. gentleman soul says:

    peeps says:

    I was going to have a disclaimer that said “I am here for middle-aged men, not senior citizens” but then I realized I’d be … ermmmm.. overplaying my hand a little lol

    We senior citizens have our needs too (-; I haven’t been called Gramps yet -Thanks be ! “Daddy” is kind of cute though.

    @Latin –

    Most guys I meet end falling in love

    That is a great problem to have . You are doing what you do too well I would say, or you are drawing a more dependent crowd.

  199. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Fat – although, she did acknowledge in her attempt to reschedule that she doesn’t get many good reactions when she meets people…I did give her a response that was along the lines of what we’ve been recommending on blog for pictures and the under promise and over deliver…

  200. a latin opinion says:

    @online Is not a SB/SD relationship is a normal relationship. I keep telling him to don’t fall in love ans just go with the flow the few times we spend time together, doesn’t work. Anything I do seems to work, I know Im doing something wrong. I want to figure out what.

    Most guys I meet end falling in love and I can’t do that now.

  201. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Fat – good catch…I was waiting to see if someone called me on it!

  202. KennaKenna says:

    @FB Actually most of the times I’m with my man, I don’t get carded lol. I think the waitresses/hostesses automatically assume I have to be at least 21 if I’m with a late 40s man.

    On men and their age, my man is 49 and HOT. I think he looks about 45, but of course I say babe you don’t look a day over 49 and he laughs.

    Age and hotness/sexiness have nothing to do with each other. You can be 35 and smoking hot, looking like 35. And I don’t mean hot for 35, I mean hot and competing with the 20somethings.

    My mom is in her early 50s, and sometimes get more attention than my friends and I. She is honestly stunning even though you can look at her and see she is not “young”.

    And if you stumble upon this post baby, I’m only kidding lol.

  203. peeps says:

    @gentleman
    I was going to have a disclaimer that said “I am here for middle-aged men, not senior citizens” but then I realized I’d be … ermmmm.. overplaying my hand a little lol

  204. FatB'StardSD says:

    Every blog SB “gets carded” at bars even though they are in their 30’s and 40’s.

  205. KennaKenna says:

    @peeps @ONSD I had to tell a POT I can handle a man who is old enough to be my father but when you’re old enough to be my grandfather, then that’s a whole other story.

  206. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Online

    Your advise on how to handle the situation:

    “You as a SB should NOT stand for that kind of blatant deception…call him on it..tell him that’s why women lie on their profiles…tell him you’d expect a man of his stature to be more honest in the situation…”

    How you handle such a situation yourself:

    “I immediately grabbed my phone and pretended to take a call…”Yeah, what do you want? I’m getting ready for a meeting…really…damn…can’t you handle it? Shit…I guess I’ll be right there!” — “I’m so sorry, I just had some shit hit the fan at the office and apparently there is no one else who can handle it…let me get you a cup of coffee and we can message again to get something rescheduled…”

    Those who can do; those who can’t teach.

  207. gentleman soul says:

    Rebecca says:
    Peeps: Concerning men lying about age, I’ll find out the guy’s identity and he’ll always be 10-20 years older than he listed. . Men complain about women lying on their weight, but men do it just as often with age.

    Absolutely ! I shave 10 yrs off because I can. Some SBs have screening limits and I want to get in the door . Once I am there she is putty in my hands . LOL JK -a little anyway . I am in my 60s and have been told many times that I look 45 -50. I am slim ,fit,muscular, and not wrinkled. Good genes but work at it too. My point is not to be excluded solely on the basis of age . When I get to know an SB I will tell her the truth and they are always surprised . If I looked 70 there would be no point in lying because the M&G would be embarrassing . It is also ridiculous that fat or short people lie because the Pot is on it right away .

  208. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @peeps – you go girl! There’s NO REASON to put up with that shit!

    I had a first meet for coffee…profile pics were at weird angles, listed at “Average”…what squeezed through the door made me question the tensile strength of the fabric she was wearing and nearly lose my drink in the middle of the place…I immediately grabbed my phone and pretended to take a call…”Yeah, what do you want? I’m getting ready for a meeting…really…damn…can’t you handle it? Shit…I guess I’ll be right there!” — “I’m so sorry, I just had some shit hit the fan at the office and apparently there is no one else who can handle it…let me get you a cup of coffee and we can message again to get something rescheduled…”

    Didn’t happen…that was the most polite way I could think to handle the situation…THAT is why you under promise and over deliver!

  209. peeps says:

    @onlinenewbie

    I did that…and got kicked out of the restaurant (“you can go now you don’t have to pretend to be interested”) by the man who looked 80s in person (he told me he had lied about his age and asked me how old I thought he was I said “early 70s” to be nice he said “I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH A THING!!!!I AM 60 YEARS OLD!!!”…I think he said on the profile he was 49 or 52…but then he had a lot of blatant plastic surgery and a Bruce Jenner/Michael Jackson nose…

  210. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @peeps – I disagree…I think the SB should call him out on it…I heard a story once from a SB (she was late 40’s by the way) at a first meet…she had a first meet with a guy from SA who had a profile age of mid-60s…she arrived early for coffee and was sitting there when a guy came in USING A WALKER…at least late-80s was her guess…with a smile from ear to ear, because her profile pics were really her AT THAT MOMENT!

    You as a SB should NOT stand for that kind of blatant deception…call him on it..tell him that’s why women lie on their profiles…tell him you’d expect a man of his stature to be more honest in the situation…

  211. peeps says:

    @rebecca, coming from the normal dating world where men can shave off 5 years the most without penalties, it’s kinda funny to see this because here, obvs, we will NEVER complain since both sides are engaged in fantasy lol…but it IS funny…to look 15 or even 30 years older in person as it has happened to me is pretty amazing.

    I use my parent’s friends as measuring sticks…lol…”could he be friends with my parents”? And that is how I figure out how old they are…in the “real world” that kind of lying drops someone in 2 seconds…here, since SDs dictate the terms, we are the ‘YES’ (we)men corroborating with the warped time zone.

  212. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @DH – I don’t change the age…and at 40 I don’t think I need to…but I do list as “A few extra pounds” so that when I arrive I’ve under promised and over delivered on that aspect. If she’s disappointed with my look with that as the run up, we’re not making it past the first meet…

  213. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @DH – just don’t say it too loud, because then you’ll be branded a cheapskate and fake SD because you’re not willing to shell out the big bucks from the first meet!

    It’s all about being realistic…if the SB really knew how hard the SD worked to get to a point where he could have the disposable income and/or assets to have an arrangement…and the amount of work it takes to keep things moving forward so the arrangement can continue…there wouldn’t be nearly as much of the badmouthing going on.

    Instead, as someone has said, the SB was raised as a princess, with parents that barely said “no” and probably didn’t even have chores or an allowance growing up…now…everyone should give her everything because that’s what she knows…it’s also a reason we have such significant generational poverty in this country, and why the bureaucracy works so hard to keep people fat, dumb and “happy” in their squalor!

  214. Keo says:

    @Dark the SB would be ecstatic! Lol

  215. DarkHorseSD says:

    So many SBs are SOL I guess when I show up my age? 😉

    What would happen if I added 12 years and went up to A Few Extra Pounds and showed up looking….well, like I look?

  216. DarkHorseSD says:

    ONSD – “she gets to start out with everything is playing the princess and entitled card…you don’t get hired into a business as the boss (unless it’s Amway, since everyone is their own boss there – hahaha) you get hired into the mailroom, or as an analyst…once you prove yourself, you get the keys to the kingdom…”

    Your description above that too of the progression of an arrangement is the best way to do it.

    It all becomes a snake pit when people are sloppy with their giving and go too fast.

  217. Rebecca says:

    Peeps: Concerning men lying about age, I’ll find out the guy’s identity and he’ll always be 10-20 years older than he listed. One of my past SD’s listed 44 on his profile, and he was 66 in real life. Thankfully, I knew his real identity, so I wasn’t surprised when we met. I had another SD who had only given me one photo. When we met in person, I almost gasped when the light shined on him showing all his wrinkles. The photo had to be 15 years old. Men complain about women lying on their weight, but men do it just as often with age.

  218. StruggleIsReal says:

    *doesn’t

  219. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    I never said you “hate” anyone here. I never even used that word. Don’t put words in my virtual mouth please.
    And it does take a whole lot for blog SBs to “have a collective orgasm” amidst the constant woman-bashing and cheapskate-promoting here.
    Yes, @Vitesse’s input is a breath of fucking fresh air. No lie there.

  220. sexyrockstar says:

    @josh

    Him and I speak to each other’s love language very well. I get him things related to music and such.

  221. FlyBoy says:

    Happy Saint Patrick’s Day everyone … :)

    Remember, don’t over do the drinking. I won’t.

    I promise … lol

  222. FlyBoy says:

    @VitesseSD,

    True, but there are other (and in my opinion better) ways to recognize the good pot SDs. What is he wearing? What is he driving? Is he wearing a watch if so is it patek or timex? Where does he take her for the first meeting? Does he give her a nice gift? Does she know what he does? When he pays for dinner what type of card does he use?

    So we are back to assessing net worth?!!!!!! lol

    OK, how many 22 yo know this when they see it?
    []http://tinyurl.com/lhykox3[]

    Or this?
    []http://tinyurl.com/p9yac6n[]

    Or indeed this?
    []http://tinyurl.com/n29aybu[]

    Cheers :)

  223. gentleman soul says:

    @Latin

    emotional involvement happens and if it is not reciprocated it will end the relationship. Tell him what your needs are and what you expect of him . If he can’t help himself you might have to break it off .

    I was infatuated with my 23 yr old 1st long term SB and we even dropped the L bomb (gasp!) But we both knew that we could never go anywhere as a couple ,so it worked .We each kept our distance and she always made it clear that I would NEVER meet her family or friends ,and she never offered a freebie .

  224. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @latin – my best recommendation for keeping HIS thoughts in check is to remind him about the issues he’s had in his traditional relationship whenever he talks about transitioning to bf/gf…he might think the transition means “free” pussy (meaning no allowance), so remind him the “cost” of free pussy in a relationship…make sure he understands how much fun you have with him and that it’s great you can live your life and deal with your issues on your own…how you don’t want to burden him with your day-to-day struggles…how an arrangement is stress free and drama free and when you transition to bf/gf it is impossible to keep that stress and drama out of things…ask him about his past bf/gf relationships and why he’s not in them any more…then, whenever he brings up bf/gf transition, remind him about what he didn’t like and thank him for keeping things so opposite of that between the two of you.

    Remember not to be negative about YOUR situation, just negative about the alternative…and do it with a smile on your face (and preferably your clothes in a pile on the floor) hahaha 😉

  225. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    I don’t “hate” @Vitesse as he seems to be a sensible SD. I don’t think that I “hate” anyone here. It’s just that some of them are more entertaining to me than the others. For example, @flyR is most entertaining to me. So you may think that I “hate” him. @Chitchat is very entertaining as well. @Muah tried to be entertaining but has not risen up to the entertainment level.

    That said, I think that @ONSD did a great job highlighting fantasy in @Vitesse’s posts.

    The important point in my posts, which you chose to ignore, is that every time a an SD talks about giving free money/stuff/favors to a woman, the blog SBs get collective orgasm.

  226. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “Most of them are as clueless as some of blog SD’s about the dom/sub world, and need to put on their research/thinking caps before uneducated assumptions are made.”

    Teyya what, the sub and dom can find a nice whip with a firm smooth handle and can go fuck themselves.

  227. FunDude says:

    @Struggles

    So I guess an “alpha” guy (according to you) is some chump who gives his money away easily to some SB?

    Cool story. Keep telling the beta dudes that fantasy. That way they will part with their money more easily like a good beta chump.

  228. a latin opinion says:

    @online I want specially your advice because it seems you are able to balance feelings and thoughts.

    I’m not current a SB, I just really want to know how to make the guy understand he should keep his feelings towards me in control.

    Go straight and said it all the time haven’t work for me.

  229. StruggleIsReal says:

    @FunDude
    I don’t feel like scrolling up to copy and paste, but if you read the conversation, he said that in response to someone else asking something like, “What if she runs off after you have paid her loans/ given her allowance”. Something like that. He was never complaining.

    FunDude, with your amount of complaining, you are in NO way an alpha. Hate to break it to you sweets.

  230. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    As far as falling for the SB…I’ll admit, if there’s a connection, I’m falling for her…however, I keep my feelings in check by reminding myself that it’s an arrangement, not a relationship…I continue to remind myself that there are struggles with every relationship and transitioning turns a dinner date into discussion about all the bullshit in life and in my successful arrangements there’s no bullshit, just happy times or no times…

  231. a latin opinion says:

    @struggles yes I have feelings for the guy, respect, really really enjoy our time together (we talk for hours and when we are together the time fly) and he is veryyyyyyyy good in bed, but I won’t fall in love with him (with no one for a while).

    So my problem is when I don’t want to loose the guy but they let their feelings grow and have to finish the relationship because I know I won’t feel the same. Is exhausting. )-:

  232. FunDude says:

    @Struggle

    He made that comment before that “even if the woman left him after paying off her loans, it was ok because not much was lost”.

    Like I said, betas are gonna beta.

    You can’t fix a beta until life hits them enough. Only the minority of males have enough testosterone to be alpha.

  233. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I have no problem with @Vitesse and his description of being a SD…he sounds like he treats his women well and enjoys them through the honeymoon period and looks for the next when he has a break in his busy business life…I don’t think that’s fantasy, so far…

    My issue is with the presumption that looking at the cost of living in an area and not just saying “she’s my SB and deserves $10k a month in allowance and another couple grand in gifts and entertainment (just because)” is fantasy…

    Look, when I had a kept woman, my entire expense didn’t get much over Practical on a monthly basis…that included her living situation, her transportation, her living expenses, and some spending money so if I was busy she could still have a “life” without me…she maintained a part time job, went to school and was available for me whenever I wanted (at her place)…In this part of the world $3k a month without taxes is SIGNIFICANT…

    I saw her as an investment, bettering herself, and she worked hard on keeping her life together AND keeping me happy, relaxed and spent…if someone feels they need more than $3k a month in my area, they’ve got a HUGE burden of proof with me, because I was spoiled at that level…and she certainly didn’t start there, she started with a weekly allowance and when she started reaching out to me for meetings and keeping the sexy communication between our meetings, it transitioned to more…then she wanted to have a “special place for us”, so there was an apartment…then she wanted to be more available, so there was living expenses…

    ANY SB who things she gets to start out with everything is playing the princess and entitled card…you don’t get hired into a business as the boss (unless it’s Amway, since everyone is their own boss there – hahaha) you get hired into the mailroom, or as an analyst…once you prove yourself, you get the keys to the kingdom…

  234. StruggleIsReal says:

    @latin
    I don’t get it. If you don’t have feelings for him, don’t see him. Easy. I don’t see what the problem here is?

  235. a latin opinion says:

    @flyboy I tried what you advice me, The guy always step up and defend his point. Still Im having the same problem, he is not submissive still he is getting his feelings grow and I’m not )-:

  236. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    Haha Seriously it’s the worst when you actually look at yourself, and you’re like, “I have no idea why I want to cry but I really really do!” haha

    You’ll find a dress, don’t worry! Any particular looks or ideas you’re going for ?

  237. a latin opinion says:

    A question for guys, how do women with whom you have had relationships before have managed to keep you guus in the leash, meaning that you guys/man keep a respectful treatment to that lady but don’t allow your own feelings to grow to much towards her.

    I’m talking about regular experiences in life, not Sd/sb relationships. Not money involved.

    @keo Im getting in the same trouble again )-: I starting to think that me and Americans is not a good combination. )-:

  238. KennaKenna says:

    @Struggle

    “The wrong lampshade would make me cry…”

    Lolol… hahaha, sorry this was so funny to me!

    I still have not found a dress, now this may make me cry :(

  239. StruggleIsReal says:

    @FunDude
    Vitesse has not once complained about any of his SBs taking the money and running.
    That’s you and your friends, sweetheart.

  240. FunDude says:

    Vitesse is just some beta dude that runs to pay for women’s “loans” for school.

    If he is beta enough to drop tons of money on a woman that will leave him, that is his issue.

    Betas gonna beta.

  241. LadyScarlett says:

    “It is so ignorant to constantly shoot down anyone who share his/her experience as “fantasy”-writers. Hm. Or, let’s just go with that. If what I have is fantasy, and what @Vitesse shares is fantasy, I suppose we can nickname what you promote as reality as a “nightmare”-writing.”

    Hehe, that was funny, but logical at the same time 😉

  242. LadyScarlett says:

    Some do not like vitesseSD because he sounds fair and reasonable, and is looking to better his SB’s life, perhaps, instead of looking for the cheapest deal on SA. I see men on here complain all the time, but most of them are not offering enough in allowance for a quality SB to be interested, so they end up going on the cheap, or they want a pay per meet arrangement for a couple/few hundred, speak of not gifting anything until her panties hit the floor, refuse to give her your name, then wonder why she runs from his bed, with money in hand, then leaves for the door as fast as a criminal leaves the scene of a crime…or, she is gone as soon as a better paying(or, better caring and thoughtful) Sd comes around. Well, guess what, genius? You treat her like an escort, then she will run from you like one.

    Except, I do disagree with vitesse’s assessment that a dom probably could not love her sub. From an experienced dom I know, then that is very possible and does happen. Most are clueless about the dom/sub world and are better to keep quiet until they do a little research and not ass-u-me everything–including calling dom’s whores, or make other ignorant statements like PUAs are pretending to be subs. Most of them are as clueless as some of blog SD’s about the dom/sub world, and need to put on their research/thinking caps before uneducated assumptions are made.

  243. Muah says:

    @VitesseSD
    Lol – Wait I am getting blamed for a purse convo!?

    @Struggle
    Cali is nice :) When I eventually move it will be somewhere that has generally nice weather all year round – Like California. I agree, just because things are going well for someone doesn’t make it fantasy. It’s sad that people become so bitter that they automatically disregard other’s happiness.

  244. mickey says:

    i can not wait to go..unfortunately i missed last ears but i will definitely be there this year..hope to meet someone

  245. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    Also, I don’t think @VItesse was telling stories. He also shared things about himself/his life that are less than desirable. Perhaps he compensates in the financial department for good reason. He doesn’t sound bitter or scorned at all, which tells me he has likely not been burned too badly. It sounds rather realistic to me.

  246. StruggleIsReal says:

    It’s only “fantasy” to you, @Josh, and your naysayer comrades.
    Reality is what you make of it.
    But true, my reality does feel like a dream. I keep pinching myself, now I just have little pinch-marks all over my arms. hehe

    It is so ignorant to constantly shoot down anyone who share his/her experience as “fantasy”-writers. Hm. Or, let’s just go with that. If what I have is fantasy, and what @Vitesse shares is fantasy, I suppose we can nickname what you promote as reality as a “nightmare”-writing.

    There you have it. I’ll take fantasy over nightmare any day. Somewhere in the middle is where most people actually may fall.

    Don’t expect fantasy, but don’t accept a nightmare. Prepare oneself and shoot for the middle– reality– and likely lots of success shall be had.

  247. Josh says:

    StruggleIsReal says:
    March 17, 2015 at 7:14 am
    @Vitesse
    Warning: Most of the blog SDs are not going to take well to you.”

    When you write fantasy SBs will have orgasms; just like @Struggle and others had on your loan payoff fantasytalk and the SDs will call you out on that, like @FunDude did.

    It proves again and again that women live in a fantasyland and go for men who tell them stories. They don’t need to make good on that fantasytalk. The PUA practitioners cash in on that.

  248. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse
    Warning: Most of the blog SDs are not going to take well to you.
    Don’t bother with that though.

    It’s nice to have your input.

    @Kenna
    Cali is one of the options hehe 😉
    Hormones honestly just make us cry sometimes, and you are dealing with a LOT of hormones right now hun. During my monthly cycle, there are a couple days where I am just straight up weepy. Not angry or mean, but just like, the wrong lampshade could make me cry. Hahaha
    Tell GF (generous fiance hehe) that perhaps it is your female system preparing him for a baby who cries a LOT! hehe

  249. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    You would pay off a student loan for a woman and then be fine when she got rid of you after that?

    And then you call other people “captain save a ho”?

    Dude, that is the biggest captain save a ho behavior I have ever heard of.

  250. peeps says:

    One overall observation: some of the POT SDs I have met look SIGNIFICANTLY older than the stated age…the latest I think said he was late-40s but in person looked early 60s. I mean fit early 60s, but early 60s, nonetheless…
    I liked meeting this person, it wasn’t a huge deal… but I’d say when men lie about their age here, it’s by 10-15 years.

  251. Josh says:

    @sexyrockstar

    “I also buy gifts for my sd.”

    Take Gary Chapman’s 5 love languages test and only focus on things that matter to him and you.

    “Trying to convince drummer to get one.”

    Sabotage alert.

  252. Josh says:

    It’s proven. @Sexy is a great SB.

    She’s into her current SD and I wish both of them that the honeymoon period lasts for a long long time.

  253. DarkHorseSD says:

    How is it that so many women on this blog, on SA, can not judge well the intentions of men?

    Is poor ability to judge a characteristic that commonly leads to being in a position that makes SA a necessity, and thus the seemingly large numbers who can’t judge?

  254. DarkHorseSD says:

    Good morning Josh. What are you making for breakfast?

  255. Josh says:

    @FlyBoy

    I need to go back and read blog comments from 6-8 months ago to compare another idiot’s posts to see if you are him posting with a different moniker.

    Carry on with your sticky fingers. 😉

  256. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh

    You posted a silly definition of “haves and havenots” and then blamed people for not understanding you properly. That potentially makes you a woman, writing as a man.

    I didn’t post a definition of anything. What I did post was a method to ferret out the haves from the havenots.

    I am not going to call you a woman because you do not know the difference between a method and a definition. I know you are a man. Well a male who has been lobotomized by a woman/women repeatedly mind fucking you. Yes you did tell us about it many times. Indeed all the times.

    Let me break it down for you. “Haves” aren’t necessarily “gives” and “havenots” aren’t necessarily “givenots.” So the idea you wanted to communicate was that SBs need to quickly determine who belongs in the “gives” group and who belongs in the “givenots” group.

    And that is a good advice for newcomers??!! Yes, Guru? … lol

    Finally I have a proof that you are a nobody Josh. For if you were, you would know how to advice newcomers. Telling newcomers that “haves” might not be “gives” is a telltale sign that you have never taught anybody, anything. Yes what you write is true, but how is a newcomer to know?

    You see, if you had your own business or reached a senior position in your work, you would know how to teach newcomers, but you don’t.

    So what was it Josh? Plumber, electrician or city bus driver? Certainly not an entrepreneur or a senior anything!!

    It is very difficult to misused loaded terms in your textual masturbation, and then expect people to auto-magically understand the outcome of your sticky hand movements.

    Yes it’s true, you need a little bit of education to understand what I write.

    ====================

    Ok girls, we all know you love losers!!!!!

    Well, I have the one you have been waiting for;

    His name is Josh,
    He is not bad looking,
    []http://tinyurl.com/nxclw9l[]
    He a certified loser.
    He hates women.
    He will spend any time with you explaining how you are a self sabotaging bitch.
    He will laugh at you if you ask for anything.
    ===============

    You can’t ask for more, now can you???????

    You don’t have to say thank you!!!! It’s my pleasure.

    Cheers :)

  257. a latin opinion says:

    @VitesseSD awwww that’s so cool!

    It seems like you will have to travel around which is really nice . Don’t show them that mindset just show everyone you are open to new experiences. That will help you a lot if you want to get things done faster.

    Hope you go now, will be ironic if you have to go during their winter time. People say it gets cold because the air comming from the Antarctic. Lol

  258. KennaKenna says:

    @Vitesse I will try not to cry- it’s actually a weird feeling for me.

    Haha, I know those phases!

  259. VitesseSD says:

    @Kenna

    Its why theres all those “captain save a ho”s and white knights out there, it takes most men actual effort to ignore a damsel in distress. Most smart guys eventually catch on, but theres always another one around the corner ready to save the day.

    Just dont cry too much, eventually everyone gets tired of it. (Crying baby on a plane, phase 1 pity, phase 2 I wish that baby would shut up, poor parents having to deal with that all the time, phase 3 how have those parents not strangled that baby yet?)

  260. VitesseSD says:

    @latin

    Paraguay. Nope. To be honest I’ve never had business there, and the sheer number of venomous spiders/snakes/scorpions/stuff in the water etc have been enough to keep me in the northern hemisphere. I’m hoping it wont be bad in major cities.

  261. KennaKenna says:

    @Vitesse

    “Guys are programmed at the genetic level to respond to girls crying. Guys run to a crying girl the way girls run to a crying baby.”

    Ooh. I had not thought about it that way. I just thought parents responded to their kids crying. I guess I’ve never been a big crier.

  262. a latin opinion says:

    @VitesseSD to what country do you need to go? Have you been in South America before? If you have, in wich countries?

  263. VitesseSD says:

    @Kenna
    “Ummm question- what is the best way to deal with a friend’s husband hitting on you?”

    That one’s easy. Tell your husband. Problem solved.

  264. VitesseSD says:

    @Kenna

    You’re kidding right? Guys are programmed at the genetic level to respond to girls crying. Guys run to a crying girl the way girls run to a crying baby. Don’t worry you’ll still look cute, that is unless women look at a crying baby and think “ew gross” and I just missed the memo or something.

  265. KennaKenna says:

    Ummm question- what is the best way to deal with a friend’s husband hitting on you?

  266. KennaKenna says:

    @Keo lol hahaha.

  267. Keo says:

    Lol. Is anyone cute when they cry. @Kenna. I cried over everything the first week home. If I tied my shoes too tight I cried. Lol

  268. KennaKenna says:

    @Keo

    I don’t mind the sleep deprivation, I just don’t want to cry. Crying is very weird to me and I’m not cute when I cry lol.

  269. Keo says:

    Lol @Vitesse.. you were wondering about my butt plug fitting in my purse. Lol

  270. KennaKenna says:

    @Vitesse

    Oops sorry.

  271. Keo says:

    @Kenna hopefully not but most moms go through it to some extent. There is a reason why sleep deprivation is a form of torture. I’m sure you will have lots of help but if you nurse. You usually have to feed every 2 to 3 hours around the clock for the first month.

  272. VitesseSD says:

    @Kenna

    How did I end up at a point where women are telling me how many purses they need/use?

    I blame this on Muah, somehow her german humour has gotten me into this mess.

  273. VitesseSD says:

    @Struggle

    Well, I only tried that with one girl, and it was because she was messy as hell, and I’m not even sure she had more than one purse.

    That said, the whole point of it is its one of those jokes where everyone will think, oh that could never happen to me. Then it does.

    I’m sure I could never pull it off on any of the ladies here. *cough*

    Besides if a girl isnt finding random screwdrivers/keys/odd objects in her purse how will she know I care?

  274. KennaKenna says:

    @Keo oh no, I hope not.

  275. KennaKenna says:

    @Vitesse I always overpack so at least 1 purse for everyday but I LOVEEEEE purses.

  276. KennaKenna says:

    @struggle yes, warm weather is always good. Move to Cali- :-).

    Mine is really sick of the winters now so we’ve decided going forward we’re going to spend at least 4 weeks of winter in Barbados, depending on the Patriots’ schedule and if they make playoff, etc.

  277. Keo says:

    @Kenna he might not be too off with the too crying babies in the house. Postpartum blues is no joke. Lol

  278. Keo says:

    @Vitesse Depends on my outfit. A minimum of 2. Every day and going out

  279. KennaKenna says:

    @struggle yes, I really don’t know what happened earlier. He was laughing at me just now on FaceTime calling me a cry baby lol.

    And then he was saying maybe the baby is crying through me lol… Or he’s going to have two crying babies in the house lol…. He’s a joker.

  280. StruggleIsReal says:

    A screwdriver would probably be a wise thing to have in one’s purse, however. hehe

  281. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse
    Ummmm a screwdriver would find its way out of my purse before a few months. LoL Maybe a few days, but more than that… screwdriver is probably in the console of my car or in a tool kit or I have most likely given it back to the guy already. LOL

  282. VitesseSD says:

    @Keo

    Some girls never clean out their purses, they just move a few things between purses or *gasp* only use one purse (how many purses do you take with you when you travel?). So it can easily get lost at the bottom or in some weird pocket for a long time. True this joke wouldnt work on an OCD girl, but its still worth a shot.

  283. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    I definitely will. It will be several months out though. We have a good bit of travel and plans through the next few months, and I am flexible to be able to travel to spend time with him. I just don’t want to rush anything. As much as the distance sucks at times, I trust our journeys, because after all, they did bring us together in the most unlikely of ways.
    We both weren’t expecting anything like this, honestly we both had kind of written it off, so we are both getting comfortable and used to it. But yes, it will happen in the next several months :)

    He’s really sweet. Has been throwing out different warmer weather options of places for us to have a home base once he is done with his MBA (’16). He picked up that I am not a cold weather girl and is putting that knowledge to good use. I could be a cold weather girl for him though, and told him that. But he sees how much happier I am in the sunshine. He is too.

    Kenna, are you feeling back on the up ‘n up? I think your reaction earlier was normal. Gosh, I react that way sometimes just because… and I’m not producing a human! LoL!

  284. Keo says:

    @Kenna how was your scan?

  285. Keo says:

    @Vitesse I would probably throw the screw driver out after a week or so and just tell you I lost it…

  286. VitesseSD says:

    Random fun thing to do on an early date:

    Somehow end up with a small screwdriver in your hands, ask her if she could hold said screwdriver for you or put it in her purse or something, go away for a few minutes, come back and change the subject.

    Months later when she is using the same purse, out of the blue ask her for a screwdriver. When she says she doesnt have one and gives you an incredulous look ask her to check her purse.

    Out comes the screwdriver.

    This joke works with any odd object, and gets funnier each time you use it on the same girl.*

    *Funnier for you, she may not enjoy it.

  287. KennaKenna says:

    @Struggle have you decided if you’re going to move to be closer to your GB?

  288. Keo says:

    Lol @Vitesse joke.

  289. VitesseSD says:

    @DarkHorse

    “Category of SBs to avoid:

    Include former mortgage brokers. (Current too)”

    Why?

  290. Keo says:

    No, I told you all my profile sucks! Lol I think @Georgia offered to help me but I waiting to lose more weight ( which he asked me not to do, but I am. Lol)

  291. VitesseSD says:

    @Keo

    Arn’t purses bigger on the inside? I was unaware there was anything you couldn’t fit in there.

  292. DarkHorseSD says:

    Category of SBs to avoid:

    Include former mortgage brokers. (Current too)

  293. Keo says:

    @Struggle well yeah, he knows how to “beat” it up. Lol

  294. KennaKenna says:

    @Keo had no idea you met him IRL, all this time I was thinking SA.

  295. Keo says:

    @Vitesse nah it’s too big for my purse. 😉

  296. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keo
    Does he beat IN the bush??? hehehehe

  297. VitesseSD says:

    @Keo

    In your purse?

  298. Keo says:

    @Dark.. your layaway plan sounds reasonable. Lol

  299. Keo says:

    @Muah I love his honesty. I know what he’s thinking. He doesn’t beat around the bush. Lol

  300. DarkHorseSD says:

    “I am communicating with a single mother in a jam. She considers per meet arrangement as prostitution but has not problem whatsoever asking me (a random guy) for a “loan.” ”

    Offer the loan on a lay away plan…

    She starts laying away, and you give her the loan.

  301. Keo says:

    @Lady. Yeah. I could see it. Lol.

  302. Keo says:

    @Vitesse. I already have a butt plug. Lol

  303. LadyScarlett says:

    Yeah, they can be funny, but also have a sharp tongue when they get irritated with you…

  304. Keo says:

    @Vitesse I was “half” joking anyway. It will be fun. Lol

  305. Muah says:

    honesty*

  306. Muah says:

    @Vitesse
    I am of German descent :) And your comment sounds like my dad’s side of the family. Sarcastic ass holes lol.

    @Keo
    It’s nice that he appreciated your honestly. I like to explain things about myself so people understand me – Sometimes people get offended or whatever. It’s always refreshing when someone actually understands what you are telling them. Granted I am a Pisces and I empathize with everything but still! 😀

  307. VitesseSD says:

    @Keo

    Still sounds like a joke at your expense to me. You’re probably going to start finding butt plugs and gags in your purse.

  308. Keo says:

    @Muah. I know I’m crazy about my German man. The stuff he says. Hilarious

  309. Keo says:

    @Vitesse He has a wicked humor! We went to see 50 shades of grey. Of was joking about ordering all this crap. Just naming sh*t and he ordered it! O_o lmao.

  310. LadyScarlett says:

    “Muah says:
    March 16, 2015 at 9:56 pm
    @Keo – I read an article awhile back how people from Germany are different from those from the US. One was, Germans are more direct and skip pleasantries (something like that). Not surprising he responded well to your directness! ”

    Yeah, they think Americans can be very fake, since ‘how are you doing’ is seen as a greeting like ‘hello'(no one really wants you to stop and tell you, in most cases). But in Germany, if someone asks ‘hey, how are you?’ Then they truly want you to stop and tell them and care. That can be very confusing to a German, who might just otherwise skip that. And get to the point , if he doesn’t care about your day or how you are doing. Many see it as a shallow falseness, I think, until they get used to it(had a German SD last year…I really like the German men, by the way, well, the German men in America….).

  311. Keo says:

    @Online I liked the benefactor card idea!

  312. VitesseSD says:

    @Muah
    Germans are something thats for sure. Quite a while back I made a phonecall to a company headquartered in Germany.

    Since I was in NA at the time it was something like 3AM for me, and I was a bit out of it, this is how the conversation started:

    Her “Hello you have reached —”
    Me “Hi, yes I’m not sure if I have the right number”
    Her interrupting “I am not sure if you have the right number either”
    I was about to say “I need to speak to — about —”
    What I actually said “…”

    Dont believe anyone who says germans have no sense of humour, they have one, it is simply at your expense.

  313. Keo says:

    @Online. He said that it intrigued him. I was honestly not thinking he would be responsive to it. Lol
    I thought he was going to say to himself, ” who does this chick think she is” lol. Never in a million years would I think he was going to say what he said. I still thought he was full of sh*t but like @Muah said he is very direct. I think most Europeans are. I explained the whole husband thing and he said he appreciated the honestly.

  314. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – do you find it as funny as me? There seems to be a trend for IRL approaches for the SBs now? The OUTRAGE when there was a discussion over a benefactor business card idea and approach…now…if a woman is approached she can be even more blunt by saying “no time except for an SD”.

    Don’t get me wrong…if I was being nice and complimenting a woman (prior the benefactor card concept) and she said “I really don’t have time for a man right now unless he was my sugar daddy” it would be an interesting conversation from there!

  315. Muah says:

    @Keo – I read an article awhile back how people from Germany are different from those from the US. One was, Germans are more direct and skip pleasantries (something like that). Not surprising he responded well to your directness! :)

  316. VitesseSD says:

    @Struggle

    Yeah there are some hot women down there. Then again, its a continent, so its not exactly small.

  317. Keo says:

    @Lady I honestly just talking sh*t. Didn’t expect his come back at all. Lol. Then I was thinking he’s just talking sh*t. Lol. But he was serious. Lol

  318. StruggleIsReal says:

    VitesseSD says:
    March 16, 2015 at 9:48 pm
    “@Josh

    If she bolts after I pay off her student loans she clearly didnt care for me. I’d be better off without someone like that in my life. Since I wouldn’t be married it’s not like she’d be doing any real damage.”

    @Vitesse
    Spoken like a true SD! Hot.

  319. Keo says:

    @Muah.. thought it would send him running. Clearly he liked what he saw. He was out of town in Germany for two weeks so we texted. Then he got back and talked and text for another week before we had a real date.

  320. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keo
    Ah, I see I see. Even better!

  321. VitesseSD says:

    @Josh

    If she bolts after I pay off her student loans she clearly didnt care for me. I’d be better off without someone like that in my life. Since I wouldn’t be married it’s not like she’d be doing any real damage.

  322. LadyScarlett says:

    “@Struggle. I didn’t meet my SD on SA. I met him IRL. I don’t know the term to use. He flirted with me and I basically said I don’t have time for men unless they want to be my SD and he said, “I’m a CEO. I think I can afford to be a SD” and the rest is history. lol. Didn’t really think it would go anywhere. But he feels more like a GB than a SD. I actually don’t like calling him that either but like @Lainy said. I can’t use GB until it’s official.”

    Hehe, keo, loving how you guys met, and what you said. Cute.

  323. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse
    Hmmm we used to have a blog SB here not too long ago that was down there… can’t remember exactly where, but she was cute.

  324. Keo says:

    Nooo. My SD I met IRL @Struggle. I can’t juggle 3 men. Lol

  325. Muah says:

    @Keo – Love it! I’ll have to try that line out and see how it works IRL ( I don’t have time for men unless you want to be my sugar daddy)

  326. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keo
    Ohhhh I see. So you have a SD from SA and one from IRL ?

  327. VitesseSD says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    Right now the plan is south america.

    @sexyrockstar

    Clearly you’ve never seen one up close, or seen one eat.

  328. LadyScarlett says:

    Josh, you know I not read all of your many many posts 😉

    Besides, I used to train a lady years ago, whose husband left her, and got another girlfriend, after she had finished putting him through law school….so, your point was? People(both sexes) screw over each other all the time. It happens. Focus on the positive once in awhile.

  329. Muah says:

    @Sexy – I don’t want you to get eaten… Polar bear is a bad idea!

    @Vitesse – At first I thought you were talking about WI – with the -40 degrees and whatnot. However, it was a balmy 40 degrees today.

    @Struggle – I can’t see myself air-humping, maybe for a minute if I drank a ton of wine. I do ‘sexy dance’ though… haha. I wouldn’t date challenge SexyRockstar to an air hump competition! I do not doubt her skills :)

  330. Keo says:

    I think I was channeling some @Sexy’s attitude. Lol

  331. Keo says:

    @Lainy. Lmao about the term GB. He is not my GB. He just feels like one. Lol.

    @Struggle. I didn’t meet my SD on SA. I met him IRL. I don’t know the term to use. He flirted with me and I basically said I don’t have time for men unless they want to be my SD and he said, “I’m a CEO. I think I can afford to be a SD” and the rest is history. lol. Didn’t really think it would go anywhere. But he feels more like a GB than a SD. I actually don’t like calling him that either but like @Lainy said. I can’t use GB until it’s official.

  332. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “Yes, I agree…paying off a student loan is something very nice to do…. You are preferring to help better a girl’s life and invest in your SB, and her future, which is different that an SD who is just wanting to gift small trinkets as an allowance…I see your points.”

    I just posted a link where the wife bolted the DAY her student loan was paid off by the husband who took a loan off to pay hers.

    HELLO anyone home in the chamber upstairs? :(

  333. sexyrockstar says:

    Hey now. Lol. My height is small but I got a booty for miles.

  334. VitesseSD says:

    @Muah

    “You sound like you are stressed”

    You have no idea. Oh well, stress keeps me focused.

  335. LadyScarlett says:

    Josh has been on wrong forum for awhile now….

  336. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse
    OH dear. You are stressed. Get thee outta the frozen tundra, stat. Are your going somewhere warmer after you leave in a couple weeks?

    @Muah
    Yeah, air-hump wars. Come join. Haha. Although like I said, though @Sexy may be small, she is mighty. hehe

  337. sexyrockstar says:

    I want it alive ass. Id fuckn play with it. Cuddle with it. It would be my best friend.

    They’re ssssooooo cute

  338. LadyScarlett says:

    “VitesseSD says:
    March 16, 2015 at 9:23 pm
    @LadyScarlett

    I can understand how demanding to know what money is for would be a turnoff. That said I think asking a SD to pay off your student loans would get a better reaction than asking for that amount of money. Seems like that’d be a nice gift.

    As for the whole Mistress/sub thing, I’ve never been in that type of relationship, but I have a hard time picturing a Domme who loves her sub.”

    Yes, I agree…paying off a student loan is something very nice to do…. You are preferring to help better a girl’s life and invest in your SB, and her future, which is different that an SD who is just wanting to gift small trinkets as an allowance…I see your points.

  339. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    You are in the wrong forum.

  340. VitesseSD says:

    @sexyrockstar

    I think there are poaching laws, and I’d have to find someone to lend me a gun. Unless you meant alive? Though what you’d do with a live polar bear is beyond me, unless you want to know what being eaten alive feels like?

    I’d think you’d prefer a less painful way of getting eaten?

    *wanders away confused muttering something about not understanding women*

  341. Josh says:

    @VitesseSD

    “I can understand how demanding to know what money is for would be a turnoff. That said I think asking a SD to pay off your student loans would get a better reaction than asking for that amount of money. Seems like that’d be a nice gift.”

    Paying off a woman’s student loan is the most idiotic idea out there. For women, a man is a toy, clown, gofer, sperm donor, retirement plan or a combination thereof. The longer the woman is in need, the longer she is going to play ball, play with your balls, and will allow you to pay with her balls. 😉

    [http://weaselzippers.us/168394-wendy-davis-divorced-husband-day-after-he-finished-paying-off-her-student-loans/]

  342. LadyScarlett says:

    Unsatisfied*

  343. LadyScarlett says:

    Do you think doms sleep with subs right away, if at all? Whore or not, the PUA pretending to be a sub is likely to find himself frustrated and up satisfied in his PUA endeavors….genius, I know…hehe

  344. Muah says:

    VitesseSD – You sound like you are stressed :(

    Sexy and Struggle
    An air hump battle you say… Lol

  345. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “I don’t think so, Josh…don’t think most PUAs could stomach even pretending that, and would be easily found out by an experienced dom.”

    And you think that PUAs would waste time with a “experienced” dom whore? They are just pretending to be sub so that a big majority of dom-wanna-be’s could be had.

    Think, genius!!! 😉

  346. VitesseSD says:

    @LadyScarlett

    I can understand how demanding to know what money is for would be a turnoff. That said I think asking a SD to pay off your student loans would get a better reaction than asking for that amount of money. Seems like that’d be a nice gift.

    As for the whole Mistress/sub thing, I’ve never been in that type of relationship, but I have a hard time picturing a Domme who loves her sub.

  347. sexyrockstar says:

    …..well. Bring me a polar bear :)

  348. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse
    Ah, sorry, I misunderstood.
    Sexy, I would totally air-hump battle with you over him, but I just can’t do the Palins, and also, you’re a rockstar, so your air-hump would knock me outta the galaxy! hehe

  349. LadyScarlett says:

    I don’t think so, Josh…don’t think most PUAs could stomach even pretending that, and would be easily found out by an experienced dom. being a sub isn’t always what you initially think…I am learning a little still, but not what I used to think it was.

  350. Josh says:

    “Bostonterrier97 • an hour ago
    I’m single…marriage is not worth the cost. It’s cheaper for me to hire a maid, cook, and a hooker then to get married and later divorced. If I am unsatisfied with a hired girl…I can fire her and get a replacement without any problems. Not so…being stuck with a unpleasant wife who can divorce me at the drop of a hat and take a lot of my wealth. A wife is far too expensive for me.”

  351. VitesseSD says:

    @sexyrockstar @StruggleIsReal

    What I do is private. My business requires direct access to backbone fibreoptic connections, I need to be there when stuff is being set up. The internet goes to some odd places, and when it does so do I.

  352. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “Haha, vitesseSD, you should make a fake SB profile and take a look at the amount if submissive SDs looking for a Dom SB…there are a few here.”

    Ever wondered that maybe just maybe…they were PUAs using the sub SD angle?

  353. LadyScarlett says:

    Of*

  354. LadyScarlett says:

    Haha, vitesseSD, you should make a fake SB profile and take a look at the amount if submissive SDs looking for a Dom SB…there are a few here.

  355. VitesseSD says:

    @Struggle

    “Perhaps the fact that “it’s nothing” to you is the reason she doesn’t value it?”

    I never said they dont value it, if anything they put too much stock in what I give them. They dont understand that to me those gifts cost very little, and I’d gladly give 10x that to make them happy. The issue stems from the fact that they somehow make the leap from thinking ‘he’ll give me anything I want’ to ‘he’ll do anything I want, I can control him.’

  356. sexyrockstar says:

    @struggles

    Maybe he’s related to the Palin’s.
    If that’s the case, he’s now my POT
    ((Humps air))

  357. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse
    Are you an archeological digger or something, in the arctic ?

  358. sexyrockstar says:

    @viteese

    Wtf do you do for a living?

    Id spend my time in the pool while you worked. Get lunch. Do something. Then fuck your brains out.

    Where do you look when you look for POTs?

  359. DarkHorseSD says:

    Wife makes husband beg for her contribution to every family expense for five years then walks off…is she taking the house,kids,child support too?

    Surely a real Wife would put her contribution to the monthly budget into their account at the beginning of each month.

  360. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Lainey
    My GB is my official boyfriend.

  361. LadyScarlett says:

    “Truth, to quote LadyScarlett “when things are given as gifts, or when I ask, I feel like the SD is in control more. I prefer to not always have to ask or hint at something needed.”

    She’s expressing a desire to be in control in a relationship with a powerful man, but in my experience women are incapable of respecting someone they control, and if they can’t respect him, they cant love him. Its a sad power dynamic that ruins many relationships. Men don’t want to control women, women assume that’s because the man is weak, she starts trying to control him, he either loses all self respect or leaves her.”

    Actually, you have misinterpreted what I meant…or, perhaps, just misunderstood.

    I prefer to be in control of money gifted in an allowance to me…not controlling my SD. However, sub/dom dynamics can be fun, so I hear and have been interested in, anyways.

    The thing is, in the context I made that comment, was that when an SD prefers the gifting/or giving help when you ask route, is that one must ‘ask’, first(of course, if the SD is offering sometimes, or asks what is needed, then that is a different story, but to always have to ask is not something I enjoy). Does that mean I want to control him? No, but do not want the allowance aspect to be something that is always to his discretion, if he only wants to be a gift daddy, or mainly the type that gifts only when asked. See, what ends up happening, or at least in my experience, is that scenario works well, at first, but as time goes on the SD starts telling you what you should be doing with his allowance, or asks ‘what do you need now, and what for?’ It feels like you are asking your father, in a way, and is not a turn on…it ruins the sexy time feel, and is better, in my opinion, if the allowance is gifted, so that there is something that is stable, and no worries or actual money changing hands, and the man does gifting or asks if anything additional is needed when and how he wants as a perk. I do not see how that makes him weak, or me wanting ‘control’ things. That is simply called a general arrangement preference, but have had varying types of arrangements, so am open minded.

  362. sexyrockstar says:

    @lainey

    Bbbbbbbbiiiiitttttcccchhhhhhh. Love you. How’s the Mercedes? And no. Drummer has zero tattoos. His wife would have a fucking heart attack. Maybe that wouldn’t be such a bad thing. ……..Lol I’m a shitty person.

  363. StruggleIsReal says:

    To further explain, and I know this might sound a little sick to some, but I don’t really care– It works for me and my GB.

    I have to agree a good deal with @Josh and @Vitesse, that women do tend to take things for granted. Gosh, how could we not, when men who work hard are willing to give hard-earned funds to us. I do. We all do. But I don’t want to. So I do prefer to keep things with GB on a more “need-based” level. No, I don’t *actually need* it, but it is actual expenses that he can take care of for me that make my life so much more worry-free, and also more luxurious. He loves that exchange of knowing I am sitting there getting my nails done, being pampered, and that he is providing me with that luxury. I love knowing that he is also. The giving and the gratitude is reciprocal and ever-flowing. I do think that keeping some things a bit more “transactional”, in this way, is beneficial for us. We didn’t set it up this way for this purpose, but it has organically worked itself out this way. I could ask him for money though at any time, without explanation, and he would give it to me. But I never have and I would never abuse that.

    I’m sure it’s not that way for everyone, and also this is GB, not just true SD. He already gives me way more than I would ever expect from him. If he was 25 yrs older, yes, I would be a bit more demanding of him, I suppose.

  364. Muah says:

    @Sexy – True, my parents like American Idol.

    @Struggle – If I eat too much cheesecake I’ll fall into the “Wisconsin Skinny” category… Well if you are an introvert you must really like this guy – hopefully he knows that!

  365. VitesseSD says:

    @sexyrockstar

    “My sd travels to the greatest places….like middle of fuck Iowa. I go with him. On our travels we’ve been stuck in two snow storms. We have a blast. You just gotta find the right sugar baby. My Sd Is young and hot.”

    Right now I wish I was in “middle of fuck Iowa” it’d be an improvement.
    Over the winter I experienced the wonderful wonder of -40 degree weather, people here think its a very nice day if the temperature reaches freezing (it never does), and a nice enough day if its -10. I honestly keep asking myself wtf I’m doing here and why I’m not on the first plane to anywhere. Its a shitty way to spend a winter.

    Considering I want to be alone when I work (I tend to lock myself in a room for whatever amount of time and work 16-20 hours a day to finish a project, and I’ll admit anyone who distracts me usually gets yelled at for a while), a SB would be experiencing this wonderful weather alone most of the time. Since the whole point of sugar most of the time is to improve life, being here with me right now would be counterproductive. Besides who wants to date a guy who only comes out of the abyss when he needs a break?

    Thank god I don’t work year round, I wouldn’t be able to tolerate it, and nobody else would be able to tolerate me. Sugar is for when I’m not working.

  366. Lainey says:

    @Sexy Drummer doesn’t have any?

  367. Lainey says:

    I wish everyone would stop using “generous boyfriend” unless they have officially made that person their boyfriend.

  368. sexyrockstar says:

    I also buy gifts for my sd.

    Ughhh I want another tattoo. Trying to convince drummer to get one.

  369. KennaKenna says:

    Happy early St.Patty’s Day everyone!

  370. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    Yes, I do have an opinion. 😉

  371. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “Perhaps the fact that “it’s nothing” to you is the reason she doesn’t value it? I am just saying, gosh, when my GB takes care of any of my expenses or gifts me or treats me, I really feel it… Not because he makes me feel that I should at all, or because it is some sort of stretch for him, but because i am just thankful. I do know that he is not just independently wealthy. He is very young and has made his own money and is building his empire. I value that his money comes from his hard work… maybe if he was just massively independently wealthy, it would be different, but I don’t think so. Then again, he wouldn’t be the same person he is now, if that were the case, so I probably wouldn’t even be with him. I’m one picky mo-fo. haha”

    I have a feeling that you have an asshole. 😉

  372. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Sexy – you should try to become a part of LaughFest that just finished in GR next year…

    There’s always fun stuff around GR…great bars…Beer City USA two years in a row…

  373. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Vitesse
    I was agreeing with you to a point until I got to this….

    “I’ve seen it a few times with women, I’ll spend money on a woman, she starts thinking, ‘oh he buys me all this stuff I can make him do whatever I want’, and somehow it never clicks for them that the reason I’m letting them spend that money or spending it on them is because to me its nothing. ”

    Perhaps the fact that “it’s nothing” to you is the reason she doesn’t value it? I am just saying, gosh, when my GB takes care of any of my expenses or gifts me or treats me, I really feel it… Not because he makes me feel that I should at all, or because it is some sort of stretch for him, but because i am just thankful. I do know that he is not just independently wealthy. He is very young and has made his own money and is building his empire. I value that his money comes from his hard work… maybe if he was just massively independently wealthy, it would be different, but I don’t think so. Then again, he wouldn’t be the same person he is now, if that were the case, so I probably wouldn’t even be with him. I’m one picky mo-fo. haha

    @Muah
    YES that is what I am saying. Sounds almost exactly like my GB! I have had two other gorgeous young guys (who were actually much more local to me. Current GB is more in your neck of the woods.) but they proved to be immature in the mind, but they legit wanted to give an allowance, and have continued to try even after I have told them I have a man and we are exclusive. Had current GB not popped into the picture when he did, I would have further pursued either or both. But this one swooped in and shut them down.

    I am an introvert too! A lot of the reason I am here. Make me a cheesecake and we can sit around and be introverted fatties together!

  374. sexyrockstar says:

    Eh older people watched AI. Drummer can sing. I can play guitar.

    I miss him.

    There better be some fun music stuff in GR

  375. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – yeah…par for the course…

  376. Josh says:

    Re: Female logic.

    I am communicating with a single mother in a jam. She considers per meet arrangement as prostitution but has not problem whatsoever asking me (a random guy) for a “loan.”

  377. Muah says:

    Most people from WI are super nice :) Awhile back my aunt and I were flying home from Balitmore – we were talking to a flight attendant and she says to us “You two are so sweet, you must be from Wisconsin!”

    ONSD – People in WI love American Idol, it was a compliment lol.

  378. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Sexy – remember, there’s a difference between AI and The Voice…the early episodes are dramatically different. I don’t think AI is a compliment any more…

    BUT

    I still think I love you 😉

  379. sexyrockstar says:

    I was just in Madison Lol. Rock band karaoke. This girl told me I should try out for american idol. I was really drunk. Oh god. I was dancing with old men. I was with drummer. LOL we hit up another Karaoke bar and one guy was like “oh fuck we have American idol talent in here” so im convinced people in Madison are super duper nice LMFAO

  380. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – yeah, sorry…I saw the marathon ended…check the listings, that channel has the shows running often…there’s another channel I’ve seen it on, but that one has it often.

    Can’t even imagine living in 250 square feet, but it would make for a wonderful talking point or getaway…maybe on a couple of pieces of property along the bug out path to the remote bunker hahaha

  381. Muah says:

    @Struggle – I agree, if you find someone on here that you have a genuine connection with, it’s a completely different starting point than IRL. I don’t like regular relationships because the men often move too fast for my liking (I need to quit making people cheesecakes for real). I am more of an introvert so I need a lot of “me” time… Anywho, It’s awesome that things are working out for you!

    Also, are you saying that the tall, tan 28 year old with abs, who messaged me, might actually be willing to provide an allowance!?

  382. VitesseSD says:

    @Josh
    “The problem is that 99% of the time they don’t even know what the practical and repeatable steps their men can take to make them feel appreciated in a relationship. So they will go in circles and the men somehow are supposed to know what’s bothering them.”

    Truth, to quote LadyScarlett “when things are given as gifts, or when I ask, I feel like the SD is in control more. I prefer to not always have to ask or hint at something needed.”

    She’s expressing a desire to be in control in a relationship with a powerful man, but in my experience women are incapable of respecting someone they control, and if they can’t respect him, they cant love him. Its a sad power dynamic that ruins many relationships. Men don’t want to control women, women assume that’s because the man is weak, she starts trying to control him, he either loses all self respect or leaves her.

    I’ve seen it a few times with women, I’ll spend money on a woman, she starts thinking, ‘oh he buys me all this stuff I can make him do whatever I want’, and somehow it never clicks for them that the reason I’m letting them spend that money or spending it on them is because to me its nothing. Well, I suppose cats think humans are slaves too, since their humans are always feeding them, though I doubt most cat owners think that way. Eventually they sabotage everything by going too far and thats it.

  383. KennaKenna says:

    @Online I’m a bit too late but thank you!

  384. Muah says:

    @Sexy – Wait am I Mayhem? If I am that seems to be a fitting name lol… We had that convo awhile back how the Bears (still) suck and how the Packers are awesome 😉 If you are ever in WI or if I am ever in Chi I would love to see one of your shows. That and I really want to make SB friends. I have no one to talk sugar with :(

  385. sexyrockstar says:

    Lol…not mayhem
    Muah I love auto correct

  386. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD @Keo
    Yep. There has never been nor will ever be a complaint from any man of mine about amount of sex or my excitement about it (save for medical problems, which I would address. Me not wanting sex a LOT = something is terribly wrong with me). I am the one who feels I haven’t had enough, always. This has been even in relationships that were fizzling, that I felt unappreciated in, when I was upset… so don’t even go there for when I am being cared for and loved fully… woah. Sex to me is essential. I NEED it in a relationship, and I want LOTS of it. I also love to please my man. It’s not just about me at all. I just love connecting deeply with someone I care about. God… I need to stop. Getting too turned on. Haha
    But yeah, I can promise you that none of my exes would cite “lack of/ excitement for sex” as a problem we EVER had on my part.

    @Muah
    Is he a good candidate? But don’t let him off the hook. Go SD/SB first, if he is someone you do pursue. He is on this site. Don’t let him off so easy.
    And yes, it’s kind of bizarre, as I think we all came here looking for something quite different, but are finding kind of realish quality dudes.
    I was talking with GB earlier, and he was expressing that he wishes we had met in another way than on this site. I completely disagree. The fact that we met here provided an incredibly open and honest dialogue between us, about things that I am pretty sure most life-long married couples NEVER breach. We started off going, “Hey, we’re both kinda fucked up. What do we have to lose? Here is what else is ‘kinda fucked up’ about me…”. And come to find out, those things were things that we actually value in each other! The cut-the-crapness this site provides has been a billion percent invaluable to us, and our connection to each other.

  387. sexyrockstar says:

    @online
    Maybe in grand rapids in two weeks. Ill for sure find a gig

    @mayhem
    Im from Chicago. Us Midwest bitches are the best. LOL. Its why a married man loves me. He’s the only sd I’ve had that I fell in love with. He even sees me with zero make up and sweats and still wants to be with me. Lol.

    @viteese
    My sd travels to the greatest places….like middle of fuck Iowa. I go with him. On our travels we’ve been stuck in two snow storms. We have a blast. You just gotta find the right sugar baby. My Sd Is young and hot.

  388. Keo says:

    @Online.. um no. They would say the same. My husband actually asked me to see a doctor when I didn’t want to have sex. That’s how abnormal it was. Lol. No reason to lie for the sake of lying.

    @Sexy.. look at you being all vulnerable and sh*t. It’s nice that you don’t have to be guarded with drummer.

  389. Muah says:

    Lol – Sexyrockstar! All you ladies on here seem to be finding real(ish) relationships on this site :) Maybe I should join the party. I just received a message from an SD asking if I want to get married or have a regular relationship with him – something about my Midwestern charm :)

  390. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – FYI is the channel…

  391. VitesseSD says:

    @Struggle

    “Where do you reside?”

    Whats today? I tend to travel.

  392. KennaKenna says:

    @ONSD what channel is it on?

  393. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I’m getting caught up in a “Tiny House” marathon…how would you SBs feel if the guy you’re meeting had a Tiny House?

  394. sexyrockstar says:

    Eh. My SD has given me the greatest gift.

    His heart.

    And stfu. Even tho im a badass drummer makes me melt.

    He actually saw a whole new side of me last week. I was trying out new comedy material at a club in the city. Normally I am always confident around him, but he saw me legit have a mental break down and my stage freight before going up on stage. I rocked it once I was up, but he thought it was the cutest thing ever.

    But with allowance stuff, to be honest him and I never had that discussion. It was a natural thing. I actually have zero idea on how much he makes. I just know he has disposal income.

    I know if he ever does get divorced, there would be a FAT chance he’d still be able to spoil me the way he does…. and I’ve said before. I’d stay with him even if he wasn’t providing me an allowance.

  395. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Keo – it is amazing that the only women I’ve encountered in life with higher sex drives than their male counterparts are on this blog.

    I also believe there may be a different story when discussing with those men…

  396. Keo says:

    @Online sorry bud, but you can’t apply that to al women. I have always had the higher sex drive in every relationship I’ve had. Including one with my SD. Only time I didn’t was when I was pregnant and basically puking up guts up 24/7 for 10 effing months. Of course that’s when he got a sex drive O_o

  397. Keo says:

    @Josh. I agree with the white knight analogy. I definitely want to avoid falling into that trap and I try to stay appreciative of what is given to me

  398. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Lady – @Josh is completely right…if it weren’t the bill-splitting, it would be the way he washed the dishes, or didn’t wash the dishes…the way he folded her panties after doing the laundry…the fact he didn’t OFFER to do the laundry for her…because he didn’t ask her if SHE wanted a drink when he got up for another beer…

    Women will INVENT reasons to not have sex with men…it’s a matter of keeping things fresh for as long as possible and keeping things interesting. An arrangement is really the best way to TRY to keep things amicable for as long as possible.

  399. StruggleIsReal says:

    @VItesse
    “women can be very quick to forget where the money comes from. Sadly the moment this happens it tends to kill the relationship. Which is part of why I’d much rather have an allowance that’s low combined with nice gifts. If a SB buys a dress with money from her allowance she’s likely to forget what paid for it, if her SD takes her shopping she wont. The same applies to cars and so on.
    Women often feel unappreciated in relationships, feeling that men do nothing for them, even if he’s supporting them. I dont see any of this as compensation, gifts are gifts allowance included, and keeping a general policy of small allowance big gifts just seems logical to me.”

    True. Good points.
    You sound like a catch. Where do you reside?

    @Josh
    ““Haves” aren’t necessarily “gives” and “havenots” aren’t necessarily “givenots.” So the idea you wanted to communicate was that SBs need to quickly determine who belongs in the “gives” group and who belongs in the “givenots” group.”

    Also great points.

    “Women are white knight searching robots.”

    LMAO. This always gives me such a chuckle.

  400. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Sexy – I’ve missed you to! When are you visiting nearby again?

    You would not want to see me now, as the stomach bug has been making its way through the house…but…I really want to get you that beer and hope to see your show!

  401. VitesseSD says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    Sadly no I don’t, travel to cold places doesnt draw SBs too much, and I’m not interested in the locals here. Oh well I’m only here for a few more weeks.

  402. Josh says:

    All is not lost. Women are AWESOME during the honeymoon period. :)

  403. LadyScarlett says:

    @vitesseSD, okay, got it….what you explained makes sense, is reasonable…and see what you were trying to convey now. My apologies, for misconstruing your earlier statements.

    @struggles, so true…my mom used to always say, ‘if you think they will change after marriage, then you are wrong because they will only get worse'(meaning bad habits, or not being nice).

  404. Josh says:

    @VitesseSD

    “Women often feel unappreciated in relationships, feeling that men do nothing for them, even if he’s supporting them.”

    This is a universal problem. Very few women are auto-happy. Most women need external stimulii to make them happy. The problem is that 99% of the time they don’t even know what the practical and repeatable steps their men can take to make them feel appreciated in a relationship. So they will go in circles and the men somehow are supposed to know what’s bothering them.

    Women are white knight searching robots. Once a white knight is in their lives, he needs to re-enact his white knight-ness over and over and over to save women from things they don’t even know.

    Note I said white knight “searching” robots and NOT white knight “appreciating” robots. Trying to make and keep women happy is an exercise in futility.

  405. Josh says:

    @FlyBoy,

    You posted a silly definition of “haves and havenots” and then blamed people for not understanding you properly. That potentially makes you a woman, writing as a man.

    Let me break it down for you. “Haves” aren’t necessarily “gives” and “havenots” aren’t necessarily “givenots.” So the idea you wanted to communicate was that SBs need to quickly determine who belongs in the “gives” group and who belongs in the “givenots” group.

    It is very difficult to misused loaded terms in your textual masturbation, and then expect people to auto-magically understand the outcome of your sticky hand movements.

  406. VitesseSD says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “if an SD gets put off or offended by a girl bringing up an allowance, and only views an arrangements as gifts/dinners or strictly allowance(no combination of the two), then I would find that odd….”

    Oh I agree, there is definitely a monetary component to any relationship anywhere, getting offended about an allowance is unquestionably a red flag. Asking for too much however could get a SDs guard up, and lead to fewer or no significant gifts in the long run. If a pot SB asked me for an amount that made me feel that she was just using me I wouldn’t show any reaction, I’d simply reconsider the relationship.

    FlyBoy had been advocating that SBs should both ask pot SDs about their net worth and their intention regarding allowances. This lead to a bit of a back and forth, and he said “Therefore the best approach is to go ahead and ask for the allowance. Yes??? lol”. I simply pointed out that it would not be the best approach with me. I seriously doubt most SBs would ask for money that is even in the ballpark of what I’d be willing to spend on her. If she did ask upfront very early on, I would feel that she was using me and I doubt the relationship would last much longer.

    I should have been clearer, if a SB asked me to give her 5k-10k+ a month, if I felt she was worth it, I would give it to her. She wouldn’t know how I felt about the number. I would not however pay off her student loans, buy her cars, or condos etc. However if she simply asked me to cover her cost of living I would, and she would get significant gifts (I’m not talking about purses).

    If the average SB asked for 5-10k a month, I would not believe those were her living expenses unless she was living well beyond her means* (or somewhere expensive). The way I see it theres a few possibilities for a SB.
    -She is struggling to make it.
    -She is doing ok but would like some luxury in her life.
    -She wants as much as she can possibly get.
    I’m fine with the first two possibilities but the third is not something I want in my life. Its one thing to say, I want whoever I’m with to live well, its something else to feel you’re with someone who wants to bleed you for whatever they can. If a woman is treating me like an ATM, I will treat her like an escort.

    *I doubt there are many SDs who have sympathy for people who live beyond their means. Money is neither earned nor kept by that kind of idiocy.

    “it eventually ends up (sometimes) that the SD stops offering or expects the SB to always ask. Asking or constantly asking for things to be taken care of is not ideal for many women(myself included)”
    I’ve seen the inverse of this happen as well, women can be very quick to forget where the money comes from. Sadly the moment this happens it tends to kill the relationship. Which is part of why I’d much rather have an allowance that’s low combined with nice gifts. If a SB buys a dress with money from her allowance she’s likely to forget what paid for it, if her SD takes her shopping she wont. The same applies to cars and so on.

    Women often feel unappreciated in relationships, feeling that men do nothing for them, even if he’s supporting them. I dont see any of this as compensation, gifts are gifts allowance included, and keeping a general policy of small allowance big gifts just seems logical to me.

  407. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    In essence I was saying “I do believe the woman should/could contribute…”.

    In all of my previous relationships, I have more than contributed, especially in the ones where I made more money. Current GB appreciates that I try to contribute, but he won’t have it. I try to find sneaky ways to do so. Hehe

    My mom works and truly helps provide for she and my dad and for our family as a whole. She has floated him when his business was not going as well and has proved to be a massive boon in the ways she is able to boost his career with her benefits. And, she went back to work, with no college degree, in the shittiest of economic times, after providing 4 children, raising them well and maintaining a perfectly kept home. Landed a good job and totally pulls her weight.

    I do not believe a man should/ would/ or could give me a free ride. Many women may feel that way, but I’m not one of them.

    @ONSD
    Thank you! You feel similarly to my GB, and that is a very attractive quality. We use Venmo for him to be able to send my funds as he would like to, and I can view my other friends transactions on there. He was appalled when I was telling him about how a couple of my girlfriends are constantly paying their boyfriends on there for their half of the cab fair, half of the groceries, half of taco lunch, etc.

    Listen I am all for helping one another, but shoot, at least make it like, “Hey you got dinner last night. Let me grab these groceries.” Instead of an itemized nickel-and-diming.

    We actually had our transactions private before, but I was like you know, my man is so damn good to me. If I go get my hair done, he would be upset if I didn’t let him reimburse me for it. He has told me to not even ask. Just send him a pic of the receipt or just text how much, and he will deposit immediately into my acct. He loves to show that he cares for his girl, in every way. And I love that he loves it. It’s not about the money. It is for things I have already paid for. But I feel really cared for and he loves doing it :)

    @DarkHorse
    “So often the “SB” wants to skip the meal and head to bed to collect the money and head off. SA is loaded with these.”
    Oh wow. I see now what @gentleman soul was referring to.
    Methinks this is what you call “escorts”.
    Ugh. Annoying.

    @Kenna
    Interesting. Let me know what you find out about the car/ driving situation. I have often wondered if one would do better to be pragmatic about their needs for vehicular transportation and hire a car instead of driving oneself (car cost, gas, insurance, etc.). Of course some situations would require one to drive oneself, but in your case, maybe not? That would be so nice, if so!

    @LadyS @ONSD @All
    NEVER marry someone you wish to CHANGE.

  408. sexyrockstar says:

    How are you dear

    @online
    Missssss you

  409. sexyrockstar says:

    @josh

    Im good. Sending drummer sexy pictures. Lol.enjoying the weather. Went on a motorcycle ride.

    Being a sexy rockstar of course

  410. Josh says:

    Hello @Sexy. How are you doing sweetheart? :)

  411. DarkHorseSD says:

    Haves.

    Have Nots.

    What about the poor misappreciated Gettings?

  412. sexyrockstar says:

    Jossshhhyyyyy I love you

  413. LadyScarlett says:

    Oh, Josh ): positive thoughts…positive!

  414. Josh says:

    Let me give you a formula, which will provide endless permutations…

    X days/weeks/months/years/centuries ago, you (your Y) did/said Z.

  415. LadyScarlett says:

    Oh Josh, you are like a dark cloud always raining the negativity of sabotage and the evils of wo(myns) on our fun ):

    Am curious…what is the best excuse you ever got, Josh? Not the headache one, I hope…how about, the yeast infection excuse? Hehe

  416. LadyScarlett says:

    “DarkHorseSD says:
    March 16, 2015 at 5:50 pm
    So often the “SB” wants to skip the meal and head to bed to collect the money and head off. SA is loaded with these.”

    That is your everyday average escort SB…what is that Steve Miller Band song? ‘Oh ah, take the money and run…woo woo, oh ah, take the money and run’….they run as fast as they can after sex. Someone should turn that up and play it as they are rushing to the door, hehe

  417. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “She said she stopped desiring sex with him because of the splitting of bills thing…he was always like that, as I knew him from high school…”

    Oh give me a break. That’s just an excuse. If he stopped splitting bills she would concocted another, then another, then another reason to stop having sex with him. The list of reasons why women stop “desiring sex” with her man are endless.

  418. LadyScarlett says:

    “OnlineNewbieSD says:
    March 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm
    @Lady – that woman is stupid to think things would change…she was fucking a cheap ass…I’ve NEVER split a bill for a restaurant OR groceries with someone I was seeing, dating, being the benefactor for or married to…”

    I agree…but, in the case of marriage, she wanted to do start doing things as a team, and he still wanted to play as two separate teams, unless it was other things 😉 Then, he was all for teamwork. She said she stopped desiring sex with him because of the splitting of bills thing…he was always like that, as I knew him from high school…

  419. KennaKenna says:

    @Struggle

    I know, I know! I’m basically finished packing though, woohoo!
    Now just to ship all this stuff and then unpack there! House is being painted/they’re changing closets now so hopefully all that is done by end of the month.

    I just need to figure out if I’m going to drive or pay someone weekly to drive me around. GB will be busy at work so don’t want to figure it out on my own- I wonder how much I’d have to pay someone monthly to drive me around in my car monthly with me paying the gas.

  420. DarkHorseSD says:

    So often the “SB” wants to skip the meal and head to bed to collect the money and head off. SA is loaded with these.

  421. Josh says:

    Popping babies and needling men are the biggest kicks women get in their lives. That’s why most women don’t invent anything since their passion is elsewhere.

  422. LadyScarlett says:

    “Josh says:
    March 16, 2015 at 5:34 pm
    @LadyScarlett

    “She made more than him in her career…”

    Hmmm, should she have paid in proportion to her percentage of the family income, like 60% of the bill?”

    Hehe, knowing him and how he was, he probably did that! Lol….I know it really bothered him that she made more than him, though…he was very obsessed with ‘his money’, and she was very obsessed with getting away from him, since someone who is so fixated on behaving that way in a marriage is no fun.

  423. Josh says:

    @OnlineNewbieSD

    “It’s not just the guys who can be manipulative…”

    H E L L O!!!

  424. Josh says:

    StruggleIsReal

    “…so I can’t say that I don’t believe a woman should/could contribute…”

    Of course not. ALL women are born with a promise of a free ride by some man.

  425. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Lady – that woman is stupid to think things would change…she was fucking a cheap ass…I’ve NEVER split a bill for a restaurant OR groceries with someone I was seeing, dating, being the benefactor for or married to…

    I had a family member dating a woman and broke up with her…she presented HIM with a spiral bound notebook delineating EVERY expense she made on his behalf, including when she asked him to go to dinner and he said “sure” — because it’s his job as the man to pay for those things…I told him to RUN LIKE THE WIND…he didn’t…he married her, thinking it would change. She made over $100k a year because of her education, he COULD make that much due to specialist training, but required more hours and training to keep up (skilled trades)…they renewed their vows on their first anniversary because she said that would make things better…she got pregnant because a baby would keep them together…he lost his job and found work about 6 hours away and she divorced him, fighting for custody all along the way, forcing him to travel the 6+ hours for court dates, visitation…forcing him to the point he took his child to the State Police post as soon as he picked the child up for visitation and just before dropping the child off from a visit so he had a professional to verify no bruising, diaper rash, etc. After more than three years of custody battles (and finally proving to the judge his ex was full of shit) she said she would fight EVERY STEP of the way, until 18, or he could give up his rights and be done with everything…he caved…
    It’s not just the guys who can be manipulative…but people don’t change, money just makes them more of what they already are…that’s a FACT!

  426. KennaKenna says:

    @Keo ahhh I’m fine now though.

    Now I’m working on ordering furniture for the house. I was asking him this weekend what style he wants and to my surprise he said “It’s your home babe ,I don’t care, just don’t touch the wine cellar or his sports room.”

    He’s honestly so sweet to me right now, so I really had no reason to cry lol.

  427. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    Aw sweetheart! I’m so sorry! Hormones babe. And you two have a LOT going on! Marriage, baby, prenup, moving… it’s a LOT for anyone, and you have major changes going on with your body right now. Hang in there babe.

    @LadyS
    “She was under the impression that once they were married, he would stop charging her or telling her she owed $56.23 for her half of the groceries he purchased the night before, or $25.63 for her half of the meal they had just eaten out.”

    OMG. YUCK. I don’t know their whole situation, so I can’t say that I don’t believe a woman should/could contribute, but sheesh. That is SO not fun.

  428. Keo says:

    @Josh. Lol. Suzi Orman would say yes!

  429. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “She made more than him in her career…”

    Hmmm, should she have paid in proportion to her percentage of the family income, like 60% of the bill?

  430. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Sexy
    “And I’m glad that there are many more women on this website that are not like me. …. that just means more shitty sugar babies.”
    Bahahahahaha! I about spit out my beer!! (…What….I’m packing… I hate packing… need beer… haha.)

    @LadyS
    “(insert foot into mouth, when I should be inserting other things…sorry bad joke)”
    Hahaha Loving these laughs guys! Keep ’em comin’! hehe

    @FlyBoy
    Yes, I agree fully!
    For a man to be confidence and clear is VERY sexy. I think it would also be totally cool if a man came straight out on his profile and said,
    “If what you are looking for is a set amount of cash every month, I’m not your guy. Trust me, I will spoil you absolutely rotten. I will upgrade your lifestyle, take you to places you have only dreamed of, give you the creature comforts that women should never go without (spa days, beautiful clothing and accessories, etc.), you’ll eat the finest food and have access to my contacts and mentoring. I of course will cover any and all expenses and compensate you for time spent away from work and/or children. But I am not comfortable just cashing out every month.”
    I think it is all about being clear and confident.
    A girl who really just needs the cash, for whatever reasons, can respectfully skip past his profile. Plenty of women would snap him up in a heartbeat though.

  431. Keo says:

    @Kenna of course you did. Lol. But he loves you so it’s cool :-)

  432. KennaKenna says:

    I really hope I didn’t freak him out, he said not but I just started crying- it was really weird.

  433. Keo says:

    @Kenna. One word Hormones. Lol. At least you are weepy. I was mean. Lol

  434. Keo says:

    Hmmm. My SD drives a jeep. The watch he was wearing is probably a fake because he lived in China and you can get great fakes for dollars. We meet for dinner at a pretty mid price restaurant because location was convenient. If you saw him you would not guess he is a CEO of a multi million dollar company who could retire at 52 and live off his savings comfortably. I’m not sure you’d just “recognize” that he is a good SD. I think it’s might be better for some to just ask. And if it turns you off as a SD move on. It probably won’t bother another SD. To each their own.

  435. LadyScarlett says:

    “but,
    Women will NOT fuck guys with no confidence.
    Women will NOT fuck guys who are cheap. (broke, yes; cheap, NO)”

    Hmm, or they might fuck them, but then divorce them years later….a good friend finally divorced her husband when she got tired of splitting the bills with him, 5 years into marriage and two kids later. She was under the impression that once they were married, he would stop charging her or telling her she owed $56.23 for her half of the groceries he purchased the night before, or $25.63 for her half of the meal they had just eaten out. She made more than him in her career, but really?…splitting hairs like that after being married for five years? She said she thought he would stop doing that after they got married….

  436. KennaKenna says:

    @Southern hey, hey! I’m fine, how are you?

    SD left to go back to west coast and I literally cried so hard, everyone was looking at me! I don’t know what is going on with me, I just could not stop crying. It was very weird especially since today was such a happy day.

  437. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Lady – what I don’t like is the SB that has said, “I need $X per month to be available to you when you would like” then, when I would like to be together I hear “well, I really don’t have anything to wear” or “it would be nice to get my hair done and stuff for you” or “this was a bad week/month/year/life so I need more”…

    My best arrangements started as either generous bf style and evolved due to mutual desire to spend more time together to include allowance…or…started as a set allowance due to specific expenses that were stressing her out and evolved to include gifts (usually stuff she bought on her own and I researched to “refund” her expense because I appreciated the thought she put into the gift).

  438. StruggleIsReal says:

    Yes, I agree with what everyone is saying about “allowance”. Honestly, I really think it just varies per situation.

    I love the “GB” distinction that we are now using for “generous boyfriend”. This is where my situation differs from what I would consider a true “SD”. I feel a little bit disingenuous to refer to my guy as a SD, but usually will here for simplicity’s sake. I’m going to start using GB from now on. :)

    I feel like GB is someone who you would be dating without sugar, and who you could have a future with (i.e. not married). This doesn’t mean he stops giving generously to girl, but the dynamic is a bit different. @Keo, seems you and I are in a similar boat. Both of our GBs pretty much leave it up to us to tell them how we would like the support to be doled out, with extra surprises and gifts on top of that. I also don’t ask for a set “allowance” from mine. He pays for most of my expenses though, will send me money here and there just as a surprise gift, and spoils me with nice trips etc. He is always asking how he can spoil me more. I have died and gone to heaven, I am sure of it!
    I have said it before and I will say it again, I am so stoked for you!

    A SD, to me, is someone who is compensating in one area to make up for “lack” in another. The area of compensation is in money/allowance/support/spoiling/gifts/lifestyle upgrade, the areas of “lack” are usually age, appearance, time/energy expenditure, and/or ability/desire for future.

    I think that in both of these categories can fall the man who truly does just simply love to support his woman, whether she is his girlfriend or SB. For these men, I think there is a sense of care, masculinity, power, pride, and sometimes a feeling of “ownership” that is involved. My GB just today was telling me that he is trying to “ruin me” in every way possible, so that I could not want for anything more in any aspect. He is doing a damn good job of it too. Sheesh. That said, he does this because he is beyond pleased with what I bring to him and his life, as I too aim to “ruin” him as well. :)

  439. Keo says:

    @Lady I understand the down side of gifting. I wouldn’t want gifts either.

  440. VitesseSD says:

    @FlyBoy

    “My whole thrust was to advise the SBs about the easiest way to find out who the haves and havenots (the willing and the unwilling) and that is by asking for an allowance. And the best time to do it is early in the game so as to avoid wasting time and opportunity.”

    True, but there are other (and in my opinion better) ways to recognize the good pot SDs. What is he wearing? What is he driving? Is he wearing a watch if so is it patek or timex? Where does he take her for the first meeting? Does he give her a nice gift? Does she know what he does? When he pays for dinner what type of card does he use?

    If the man is a surgeon, sure, asking for a set allowance is probably her best bet. If he comes from an affluent background though, saying that she needs at least some money in addition to gifts to help cover living expenses would be far better in the long run. In my opinion while it is in part how much she asks for its more about how the request is phrased. It’s far better to let the pot SD estimate how much she needs and give her that than to say unprompted “I want/need x”, if what he offers her isnt enough she can always say so.

    “A good reliable design is not necessarily the most efficient, so losing the rare prospect early in her journey through the bowl is better than wasting time with losers. Unless she wants the losers”
    Money is not usually discussed on the first date. The rare prospects should be obvious on the first or second date before discussing money, and for best results should not be treated like an ATM.

    Perhaps I should start a poll for SDs, “do you enjoy feeling like a wallet?”
    I’d much rather feel like I’m giving her gifts.

  441. LadyScarlett says:

    No worries, online…sometimes, am good at transitioning my true thoughts into what is written, and other times…it is a big FAIL, hehe(insert foot into mouth, when I should be inserting other things…sorry bad joke) 😮

  442. FlyBoy says:

    @StruggleIsReal,

    From there it was simply about us meeting to see if we had chemistry.
    I feel that a SD coming right out and letting a SB know that if they meet and there is mutual chemistry and connection, that he is fully willing to and capable of taking care of her needs and desires, and to what level, is a great approach. From a SB’s perspective, it’s like, oh thank fuck, he knows what this is about. For me at least, it opened up my trust to be able to share more openly and freely with him about what I would be more than willing and excited to provide him!

    This is why I fucked them by the boatload effortlessly. Yes be an attractive man but don’t forget that this is the Sugar Bowl. So, come out early (in the profile perhaps) and write clearly that you understand the process.

    A woman is attracted to a man. A man is a confident leader. He already made up his mind and proceed accordingly. If he doesn’t want to give an allowance, he is clear about it. Likewise if he is prepared to do it. But what he will not do is let his hamster do the talking for him.

    Verily,
    Women will fuck projects.
    Women will fuck broke ass losers.
    Women will fuck ugly.
    Women will fuck all kind of men.

    but,
    Women will NOT fuck guys with no confidence.
    Women will NOT fuck guys who are cheap. (broke, yes; cheap, NO)

    Cheers :)

  443. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Lady – I didn’t refresh…your second comment explained things

  444. El says:

    @Vitesse Thanks for your comments, they are much appreciated! I have put in a more specific line about what I am looking for (allowance although i would be open to PPM at first). I now also have a picture pending that is brighter and is also of my face…full body pic in something sexy and kind of formal is coming up (don’t want you to think I have forgotten).

    Not worried about being perceived as slightly naive, I am in some aspects! However I am also a quick learner (plus I have these blogs with comments from you guys).

    Again thanks for the help!

  445. sexyrockstar says:

    @viteese

    I never said you were old. Please re-read. It was a general statement. Obviously you’re new to the blog but I give countless SBs pointers. And most of the SDs here know I’m the ideal sugar baby. Even ask josh.

    I also said in a later post that girls should never depend on a man to support their life.

    And I’m glad that there are many more women on this website that are not like me. …. that just means more shitty sugar babies.

    @all
    I’m so sad that I no longer have blonde hair. I just dyed it brown. Drummer loves it tho. We’ve been spending two days a week with each other but I won’t see him at all this week. But I did buy some sexy lingerie to wear for him for when I do see him.

  446. LadyScarlett says:

    @keo, I totally understand. I have had a different scenario and different type arrangement with each of my past benefactors. Nothing is set in stone for me and is case specific….it depends on the man, so completely understand what you mean…

    Am glad things are going do well for you, by the way, keo (: Is always nice you hear of such a good match!

  447. LadyScarlett says:

    I don’t think gifting an allowance means throwing cash on a nightstand either…preferably, it is wired so that no money exchanges hand to hand…but, at the end of the day, in my opinion, I like to have control of what I do with my allowance. A gift should be a gift, a gift that someone wanted to give, not something I ask for. In my opinion, and this is just me, as I know some are more inclined for gift giving as an allowance, for both men and women, but to me, when things are given as gifts, or when I ask, I feel like the SD is in control more. I prefer to not always have to ask or hint at something needed. It is a personal preference and did not mean to disparage others’ preferences…was speaking from a past experience that I thought was good, but it ended up not being ideal looking back.

  448. Keo says:

    @Lady I understand you. If my SD was not who he was, I would want to keep going back ask for more money.

  449. LadyScarlett says:

    “See, there is an EASY way to be a generous bf style SD and still spoil the SB…without making her feel like an escort by throwing cash in an envelope on the nightstand of the hotel room!”

    I did not mean that at all, online….I apparently did not explain myself very well on this topic…

  450. Keo says:

    Also I have a decent paying career. So I don’t need his money. It’s all supplemental so I can do more of my wants. I think for an SB who is not working in order to pursue school it makes more sense to know what you have coming in every month. I don’t think I could juggle more than on arrangement. If others feel the same way, it is again nice to know what is what up front.

  451. StruggleIsReal says:

    I say it’s different strokes for different folks, regarding how/when the “allowance” is provided. For some people, it is just more beneficial to have a set number that they like to get to help float their lifestyle, and for some it may just be that SD pays some of her bills, and some girls may not really care about getting any sort of “allowance” in cash but just get spoiled rotten with gifts, trips, fine experiences, etc.

    Also I think it depends on the connection between the two participants in each individual relationship. There have been some guys that I did use the “x amount” approach with, because I needed to see if they could put their money where their mouth is, due to how they approached me. But with current SD, he came right out of the gates letting me know that he was fully comfortable putting me on an allowance that would let me live comfortably and not have worries about money. He was strong with his approach in that way and I felt that confidence and felt no need to push conversation about it any further. From there it was simply about us meeting to see if we had chemistry.
    I feel that a SD coming right out and letting a SB know that if they meet and there is mutual chemistry and connection, that he is fully willing to and capable of taking care of her needs and desires, and to what level, is a great approach. From a SB’s perspective, it’s like, oh thank fuck, he knows what this is about. For me at least, it opened up my trust to be able to share more openly and freely with him about what I would be more than willing and excited to provide him!

    @Vitesse
    Do you have a SB now?

  452. Keo says:

    I guess my “arrangement” (if you can call it that) is negotiable. I told him I needed credit cards paid off. He said okay and every time we are together if gives me X $$$ for”expenses”. I saw him 2days apart and had to tell him I was good since I literally had money in my purse from 2 days ago! My GB is VERY generous. I don’t need a set allowance. But then again I also would not feel humiliated or embarrassed to ask if I needed it.

  453. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Lady – the desired expectation is NOT “Allowance” it’s a budget number for the Arrangement. If I’m spending $300 on a hotel room, $100 on dinner, $125 on show tickets, giving her $100 to cover babysitting for the evening, $100 for a car service to get her to and from our meeting place, $125 for the mani/pedi-massage-hairdo before the event and $500 at online retailers for apparel an accessories to make sure she feels beautiful for the evening…let’s see, that’s $1,300 for a single meet…if the SB expectations are Minimum, she’s already gotten MORE THAN THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF EXPECTATION! If she’s set at Practical, there’s some cushion in there…if there’s only one get together a month, she could negotiate for some allowance – but – if there’s more than one get together per month, there’s probably little room for an allowance in that level of expectation.

    See, there is an EASY way to be a generous bf style SD and still spoil the SB…without making her feel like an escort by throwing cash in an envelope on the nightstand of the hotel room!

  454. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    A lot of women are very mercenary in terms of fighting for an arrangement. The problem is they often offer very little.

    They want a lot of money for very little benefit.

    Men need to learn to negotiate very aggressively to defend their own interests (like women do).

  455. FunDude says:

    @Lady

    There is no rule where a man must pay an “allowance” of X dollars per month for this website.

    That is why they have the “negotiable” option. Ergo, men can make any type of arrangement they want.

    It can consist of only dinners, vacations, etc if they want.

  456. LadyScarlett says:

    Maybe, I put that wrong…a generous boyfriend is preferred as part of the arrangement, but if an SD gets put off or offended by a girl bringing up an allowance, and only views an arrangements as gifts/dinners or strictly allowance(no combination of the two), then I would find that odd….the problem with strictly gifting or paying bills is not that the arrangement is not beneficial for both, but that it eventually ends up (sometimes) that the SD stops offering or expects the SB to always ask. Asking or constantly asking for things to be taken care of is not ideal for many women(myself included). Occasionally asking for things needed is one thing, but if the allowance is strictly based on gifts, then the woman can start to feel a bit humiliated by having to ask or remind things of being done, it is so much better in a set monetary amount is agreed upon, so that doesn’t need to be discussed anymore, then other things, such as gifts are just nice surprises, if the man so chooses, out of him wanting to, and not as a form of compensation in his mind, if that makes sense….? Of course, if things are with two single people and it turns into more than arrangement, or long term, like some on blog have had happen, then the giving boyfriend scenario
    is probably more preferred….I was speaking in response to someone who thought the SB was only obligated to just a set allowance, or just gifts, but not both…seemed an odd thing but have heard this before?

  457. VitesseSD says:

    @sexyrockstar
    “Allowance includes:
    Rent money
    Car payment
    Beauty stuff-hair, make up, nails, gym membership
    -shit for savings and paying off debt
    -cell phone bills
    -cost of gas for driving to see daddy
    -new clothes to always look hot for daddy.”

    Fair enough as I said “if a SB were to come at me with a fixed number like 5k, assuming I felt she was worth it, she’d probably get it, and nothing more.” The 5k number came from a way earlier post, it could easily be 10k or more depending on where she lives. I’d just assume she had done her math figured out what she needs and thats that.

    “By the time we reach the talk of the arrangement, they already know my goals THUS understanding why I need X amount of dollars.”

    There is a huge difference in my mind between a girl who says “I’d love to go on that trip/spend more time with with you but I have work to cover my rent/car” which would lead to “I need x amount to be able to spend more time with you” This is entirely different from saying on date n “I want x amount” where x does not appear to come close to her cost of living.

    “And if you think an SB talking about allowance is self-sabotage….you’re salty as fuck and trying to bang girls without spending too much. Sugar baby or spoiled girlfriend, id expect an allowance at some point.”

    You have no idea what I’m actually willing to give to someone I care for.

    “I also think men that want just to wine and dine sbs with gifts are laughable. They can get that with men their own age vs fat ugly ass men.”

    Between you and me, I’m not that old. I’m essentially the definition of a young eligible bachelor. However I’m getting to the age where women my age all want commitment, marriage and children. No woman ever seems to believe me when I say children and marriage are out of the question. So I have the options of stringing some girl along while she’s desperate to get married and have kids, or I can come here, say outright ‘no kids, no marriage, I’ll make your life heaven on earth until you say the “m” word’.

    If you really believe I should completely support a woman in exchange for sex a few times a month, it strikes me that you’re being a bit mercenary about these things. I have nothing against escorts and prostitutes (aside from the risks of STDs), but its just not my thing. Lucky for me you’re not the only woman on this site.

  458. FunDude says:

    @Fly

    I am seeing some videos where these sluts suck the dicks of some stripper guys.

    This is even shocking to me. I think some of this stuff is fake porn stuff but I’m curious to know how realistic some of this stuff is with women.

    Another reason not to marry one of these sluts lol

  459. LadyScarlett says:

    “A new SB can not convince a reluctant man to give her an allowance after the fact. This is not to mention the broke “SD”s who don’t even have it. A new SB should not concern herself with losing prospects because most prospects in the bowl are garbage. There is always a price to be paid for efficiency. A good reliable design is not necessarily the most efficient, so losing the rare prospect early in her journey through the bowl is better than wasting time with losers. Unless she wants the losers … lol

    However if a SB were to come at me with a fixed number like 5k, assuming I felt she was worth it, she’d probably get it, and nothing more. I would not pay off her student loans, I would not give her cars or a condo, etc. Treating things like a transaction means things become a transaction. Its really up to her whether she wants me to see her as my girlfriend that I spoil (with no possibility of marriage/divorce, which is why I’m in the sugar bowl), or if she’d rather be seen as a safer alternative to an escort.

    I do not see a reason to penalize the girl because she asked for an allowance. To the contrary, I would see it as an intelligent act on her part. This place if full of fakes and that’s a fact. So which girl do I want?

    1. The intelligent one who will be satisfied with an answer to one question; Are you OK with an allowance? Yes sweetheart, no problem.

    or,

    2. A stupid one who went on 20 dates only to discover that they were fake. Now she is all jaded and cynical and demands that I run the gauntlet to prove myself.

    Do I need answer this question?

    You sir, are thinking about this emotionally. I think about everything logically.

    Cheers”

    Hmm, good points, and agree. If a man wants to get an attitude about a girl wanting an allowance, or make her feel as if she is ruining a good potential arrangement( which, it doesn’t sound like to me)from a woman he met on an arrangement site that advocates a monthly allowance (and, even gives desired allowance requirement parameters, then he is not seeking an arrangement, and should get off site. A
    generous boyfriend is fine, and is usually part of the arrangement, but one does not need SA to find that scenario, as sexyrockstar pointed out. She was also correct in that an arrangement often includes a set or general monetary allowance of some sort as well as gifts, dinners, shopping, whatever is preferred, ect….

  460. FlyBoy says:

    @FunDude

    They do it all the time these days .. lol

    And yes they get very sexual with the strippers.

  461. JLK says:

    I’ll go like a bum with my diamond watch.

  462. FunDude says:

    @All

    How often do women go to strip clubs with men?

    Do women get sexual with the strippers often?

  463. VitesseSD says:

    @El

    So right off the bat your biggest problem is that your main picture is dark, and there’s very little contrast between the foreground and the background. Because of this your face is hard to see, men are visual, we want to see your face more than we want to see anything else. Make a good first impression. Honestly I wouldn’t even have clicked on your picture as it is.

    Its been mentioned in other posts but show that you look good in something formal but sexy (not business clothes). Let SDs know they can take you to a michelin starred restaurant without having to worry about how you’ll be dressed.

    Your about me section is great.
    Your “What I’m looking for” needs to be more specific, you need to specify that you’re not looking for something that’s pay per meet, unless that is what you are looking for.

    Don’t worry about pot SDs calling you naïve etc, you should eventually be able to find someone suitable.

  464. SouthernSB says:

    @Kenna-Hey girl how have you been, missed your pithy comments. Glad everything is going well with your pregnancy. When I was pregnant I was only allowed to gain 20 lbs. max. The trick is not to eat for two. The baby will get all the nutrition it needs from the healthy food you eat, so you really don’t need to eat extra. If you do it right you can actually come out of it losing a couple of pounds. Heck when Pamela Anderson had her first child she actually lost, I think, like 5 lbs.

  465. Darcel says:

    Hello, I am Darcel. I am looking for a SD and I have put myself out there but it seems as if I am not having ANY luck. I hope that maybe some of you other SB’s can give me a few tips or other ideas on what I should do to catch someone’s eye. I mean am I really that hideous?

  466. FlyBoy says:

    *a strange woman

  467. Keo says:

    @Kenna when ever you find out it’s a surprise :-). If you want to make it special, have the sonographer but it in an envelope and go out to dinner and open it there.

  468. FlyBoy says:

    @VitesseSD

    You were not only advising SBs to discuss allowances, you were advising them to discuss what amounts to the finances of the SD. You may not have used the words net worth, but any variation of the question “Are you a have or a have not?” is most certainly inquiring about net worth. I assure you this question is offensive no matter how it is phrased.

    I agree with you 100% that asking about net worth is not only offensive but thoroughly comical especially coming from a strange women.

    My whole thrust was to advise the SBs about the easiest way to find out who the haves and havenots (the willing and the unwilling) and that is by asking for an allowance. And the best time to do it is early in the game so as to avoid wasting time and opportunity.

    This advice is general and works most of the time. That makes it appropriate advice for newcomers who should stick to what is known to work and subsequently polish their methods with experience.

    A new SB can not convince a reluctant man to give her an allowance after the fact. This is not to mention the broke “SD”s who don’t even have it. A new SB should not concern herself with losing prospects because most prospects in the bowl are garbage. There is always a price to be paid for efficiency. A good reliable design is not necessarily the most efficient, so losing the rare prospect early in her journey through the bowl is better than wasting time with losers. Unless she wants the losers … lol

    However if a SB were to come at me with a fixed number like 5k, assuming I felt she was worth it, she’d probably get it, and nothing more. I would not pay off her student loans, I would not give her cars or a condo, etc. Treating things like a transaction means things become a transaction. Its really up to her whether she wants me to see her as my girlfriend that I spoil (with no possibility of marriage/divorce, which is why I’m in the sugar bowl), or if she’d rather be seen as a safer alternative to an escort.

    I do not see a reason to penalize the girl because she asked for an allowance. To the contrary, I would see it as an intelligent act on her part. This place if full of fakes and that’s a fact. So which girl do I want?

    1. The intelligent one who will be satisfied with an answer to one question; Are you OK with an allowance? Yes sweetheart, no problem.

    or,

    2. A stupid one who went on 20 dates only to discover that they were fake. Now she is all jaded and cynical and demands that I run the gauntlet to prove myself.

    Do I need answer this question?

    You sir, are thinking about this emotionally. I think about everything logically.

    Cheers :)

  469. Keo says:

    @Sexy.. I like that list! And in total agreement.

  470. Josh says:

    @Kenna

    Don’t create drama around the baby’s gender. If he want to find out, go with the flow. NOT a big deal.

  471. G.G.Von says:

    I love the idea behind setting up this party. I think maybe in going forward, SA could maybe organize themed parties…ie…men seeking mixed females, or only 18-25 year old SB’s? Just something to reduce the potential cluster chaos.
    I will attend this party though, nothing ventured…nothing gained.

  472. sexyrockstar says:

    Allowance includes:
    Rent money
    Car payment
    Beauty stuff-hair, make up, nails, gym membership
    -shit for savings and paying off debt
    -cell phone bills
    -cost of gas for driving to see daddy
    -new clothes to always look hot for daddy.

  473. sexyrockstar says:

    I never discuss allowances until date 3ish. I have to actually like the guy before getting into an arrangement with them. They’d have to be someone id date regardless of sugar. If not, I’m not banging him. Lol.

    By the time we reach the talk of the arrangement, they already know my goals THUS understanding why I need X amount of dollars.

    Im cool with per date meetings for awhile until trust is there on both ends.

    I also never expect to be compensated for platonic dates, but it happens anyway.

    And if you think an SB talking about allowance is self-sabotage….you’re salty as fuck and trying to bang girls without spending too much. Sugar baby or spoiled girlfriend, id expect an allowance at some point.

    I also think men that want just to wine and dine sbs with gifts are laughable. They can get that with men their own age vs fat ugly ass men.

    Sugar babies should never depend on a man to provide her life. He’s just there to enhance it. And always look fuckn fabulous

  474. sexyrockstar says:

    …..is website is called seeking arrangement.

    If you are not open to an arrangement. …no REAL SB will be seeking you.

  475. DarkHorseSD says:

    “@Rebecca
    That is incredibly generous and smart of your SD. ”

    You should see what a friggin’ genius of an SD I am.

  476. VitesseSD says:

    @FlyBoy
    “Who said anything about net worth??????”
    To quote you, to yourself:
    “on SA there are a handful of haves and a lot of havenots. This is a reflection of the economy at large. The only way for you to have a sugar experience with an allowance that will put you above the clouds and not make you feel like a cheap whore is to look for the haves. The only way to do this is to ASK them if they are or not.”
    “Finally, I want to assure you that you will never offend the real deal. You are basically asking me if I am an extraordinary man, why would I be offended?!! To the contrary, I would answer you and tell you; Yep I am the bees knees, darling”
    “So remember to ask early and ask clearly.”

    The most relevant part of your clear post was “…look for the haves. The only way to do this is to ASK them if they are or not.”

    You were not only advising SBs to discuss allowances, you were advising them to discuss what amounts to the finances of the SD. You may not have used the words net worth, but any variation of the question “Are you a have or a have not?” is most certainly inquiring about net worth. I assure you this question is offensive no matter how it is phrased.

    “ha ha! Again no one brought up the question of the bank balance except YOU. Sigh …… “
    I believe we have clearly established that it was in fact you who brought up bank balances as whether a person is a “have or have not” is not a function of anything other than assets.

    As for the rest of it:
    “Therefore the best approach is to go ahead and ask for the allowance. Yes??? lol”

    If a SB wants to shoot herself in the foot, she certainly can. Its one thing if she were to tell me that in order to spend more time with me she needs help covering her rent and car payments rather than work x number of jobs. I believe most SDs would rather pay for these things and have more time with their SB.

    However if a SB were to come at me with a fixed number like 5k, assuming I felt she was worth it, she’d probably get it, and nothing more. I would not pay off her student loans, I would not give her cars or a condo, etc. Treating things like a transaction means things become a transaction. Its really up to her whether she wants me to see her as my girlfriend that I spoil (with no possibility of marriage/divorce, which is why I’m in the sugar bowl), or if she’d rather be seen as a safer alternative to an escort.

  477. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    Okay that sounds totally fair to me, regarding the dating sites. I would be the same way about that.
    You’re getting pretty close to time when you can find out the sex. Have you and him decided if you’re going to? I know you were split on it before.

    @gentleman soul
    Haha, yes that’s why I mentioned that at least at first and not necessarily throughout.

  478. DarkHorseSD says:

    Next time I’m negotiating in the prenup a share of any allowances for myself.

  479. gentleman soul says:

    @Struggle

    @gentleman soul
    I understand. But I just have a hard time seeing how the “feelings and affection” that you want are going to develop without any interaction other than sex? I’m not saying that it has to be anything major, perhaps just a brief meal together previous to bedchamber time.

    Once they have the bedroom they usually don’t want to waste time with dinner. LOL It’s getting them there in the first place that is the challenge .Working on a M&G with that gorgeous “no sex” girl. I know that once we meet things will change .Just got to figure out a safe place and time . Sigh ! Life can be challenging some time .

    @Josh @LadyScarlett

    “$720 high quality? Really? Hehehe….must be the extra $20″

    Not really…the extra $700 is more like it. 😉

    HAHAHA That is the difference between Mars and Venus.

  480. KennaKenna says:

    @Struggle and I’m trying to move as soon as my family leaves, definitely before month end.

    I know the feeling of having all guys around for a sports weekend, SD plays hockey with a group, much younger than him and they travel all over. You’ll have a blast, it can be a lot of fun. I love cheering on my man, or the teams he supports.

  481. KennaKenna says:

    @Struggle no he means like having an active SA profile, Match, etc. and pursuing someone online.

  482. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    Hehe. I tend to catch your posts usually 😉
    All this cheesecake talk is making me want some. Grrrrr

    @Kenna
    Yessss!!!! Just a few more days, then 12 days straight together! There are no words to describe how ready we are!!
    A few of those days towards the end will be spent in complete debauchery with his Finals Club buddies at a rugby tournament! It is me, like two other girlfriends, and 20some single guys… Hahaha This should be interesting! They have made rather extensive uniforms for us all and everything LoL! They aren’t messing around about partying. Fortunately I have brothers and have no problem with hanging with the guys and getting in on the fun! In fact, I find it usually a lot more enjoyable than hanging out with girls.
    Excited!!

    When are you moving? How’s that going?
    Still feeling well? So glad baby is looking good and you’ve put on a couple lbs. You’ll be able to lose that weight easily.
    And wow! He is super excited and raring to go! hehe

    Oh gosh, the prenup. That does not sound like fun at all, albeit necessary. Good luck there. It seems these things are always easier said than done… eek.
    Hey, would he consider commenting on this blog as an “online profile”? You might want to clarify that, if you haven’t already.

    @gentleman soul
    I understand. But I just have a hard time seeing how the “feelings and affection” that you want are going to develop without any interaction other than sex? I’m not saying that it has to be anything major, perhaps just a brief meal together previous to bedchamber time.

    @Rebecca
    That is incredibly generous and smart of your SD. I am assuming you have to fly overseas to visit him? It would depend on the flight and what the difference in fare is, to me. Some flights are more worth it than others, especially if you have anxiety. How long do you fly to see him?

    @FunDude
    Even if her area doesn’t have many SDs, there is always traveling, which many do.

    @Sexy
    Hiiiii love! Missed you! So glad you’re busy!! Did you get that weekly comedy gig?

  483. KennaKenna says:

    @Sexy thanks

    @Keo the women in my family have been described as looking like “lizards who swallow eggs” when pregnant so I’m hoping I don’t look like a stick with a belly lol.

    My mom gained 14-16 pounds with all of us and was back to pre-pregnancy weight about a month postpartum so I’m hoping the good genes rub off on me.

  484. Josh says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “$720 high quality? Really? Hehehe….must be the extra $20”

    Not really…the extra $700 is more like it. 😉

  485. KennaKenna says:

    @LadyScarlett

    “$720 high quality? Really? Hehehe….must be the extra $20”

    Hahahahahahaha!

  486. LadyScarlett says:

    “OnlineNewbieSD says:
    March 16, 2015 at 11:17 am
    @FunDude – an example of the “quality” of profiles we both encounter…

    Just saw one in my search today…her PROFILE PICTURE had a fan of cash (I think I counted $720) covering her face…think she’s not a “pro”? Pretty high quality stuff if she can get $720 hahaha”

    $720 high quality? Really? Hehehe….must be the extra $20 😉

  487. Keo says:

    @Kenna it’s great you only gained 2 pds! You should gain most your weight in the late 2nd and 3rd trimester. I was only allowed to gain 15 pds.

  488. Keo says:

    @Sexy… you have been MIA! How’s it going?

  489. sexyrockstar says:

    @kenna

    Im glad pregnancy is going well. I wish I liked being pregnant but….it was so bad for me. I never looked pregnant. Just a fat ass oompa loompa

  490. KennaKenna says:

    @Sexy

    Hope you’re good. Missed you.

  491. sexyrockstar says:

    Oh hello. I missed you all.

    Been busy with my podcast, drummer, kids, and doing more comedy.

  492. FunDude says:

    @Online

    Is it me or is the quality very low in the MidWest (Western Michigan) area? Too many fatties around here.

    I get some women from Chicago that appear more interested and look significantly better.

  493. KennaKenna says:

    @ONSD yes, exactly- depressing and frustrating.

    Yes, 50% actually plus a lump sum if he is the one that strays so in ways, he is very generous.

    But on another note, baby is healthy (even though I only gained 2 pounds, I was worried) and I’m officially out of first trimester. Doc estimates I’ll only gain 18-22 pounds total which would actually put me at 119-123 total weight so I think I will be able to shed those pounds after delivery.

    We were thinking of possibly going again right after if everything works out great, so we’ll see. He is quite excited already.

  494. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @FunDude – an example of the “quality” of profiles we both encounter…

    Just saw one in my search today…her PROFILE PICTURE had a fan of cash (I think I counted $720) covering her face…think she’s not a “pro”? Pretty high quality stuff if she can get $720 hahaha

  495. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @FunDude – remember, we’re both Midwest and close circles in searches…I’m seeing many of the same profiles you are at times!

    There are some fun-looking chicks on SA, but VERY FEW I see that could last longer than a handful of meets…

  496. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – it must also be a bit depressing to hear all the scenarios about infidelity, since I know you’re hot for him 😉

    I hope you’re getting a bump in expectations from him if he strays…say 40%?

  497. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @FunDude – I understand…and experience as well…at least you’re single, right? You can do the IRL thing a little more overtly than us marrieds!

  498. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @peeps – many single women understand the issues a married guy can have with disguising (especially cash) things in his life…I have had affairs with single and married women in the past where there was no allowance involved. They wanted a gentleman to treat them to something they weren’t able to get from the losers her own age or her deadbeat hubby. They wanted a man to take them a certain way they didn’t feel comfortable admitting to their significant other. They wanted someone focused on her for a while, instead of how quickly he could get off.

    We can admit, there are people with ill intent on both sides of the situation for SA and Sugar in general…the key is finding the person that fits YOUR need at the moment, and making it work as long as you both continue to fill the void in your lives.

    You are also right…if you are offering to host time with a married guy, and keep things out of the public eye, you should be receiving something more from him for the risk you’re taking having him at YOUR place!

  499. FunDude says:

    @Online

    I do actively search profiles, the SBs are just low quality overall.

    I am looking for the exceptions though.

  500. KennaKenna says:

    @El thank you, yes I am.

    But before we get married, I must go through this “not so fun” part.

  501. Josh says:

    I thought this is hilarious.

    “da professional womenz ode”

    alpha fucks and beta bucks
    dat is how we roll
    da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks
    and in our anuthes it doth deosul
    alpha fucks and beta bucks
    it is da way of da fed
    to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
    cuckold dose who pay for our bread
    beta bucks and alpha fucks
    it’s what day teach us we;’re entitled too
    da assetts from betas we plucks
    after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
    lzozozlzzolzlzlzlz
    cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
    datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
    as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
    and say da great books for menz was all fools.
    yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
    dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats

    zlzlzzozozozo

  502. Josh says:

    @KennaKenna

    It is only complex if you read it. Hahahahahaha!!!

  503. El says:

    @Kenna Guess I had never thought about it although I’m pretty sure most of what I have learnt has now shrivelled lol…also just want to say congratulations as it seems you are getting married :)

  504. Josh says:

    @Chitchat

    And if there is a body of water in your path, just walk on it as well. Based on your previous chit chat posts I am confident that you can walk on water…sin problemo.

  505. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @FunDude – it’s the same perspective we bitch about in our searches as SDs though…kind of…because we can just ignore the messages we receive, and we can search for the “right” kind of profiles.

    I think the issue is muddied because there are those “great” profiles out there that don’t match the attitude or the realistic expectations for location or the balance of “relationship” with intimacy. If a member of SA is actively searching and screening profiles, initiating interest and messaging with a value proposition for the target…there SHOULD be a success factor…however…the numbers are not always in your favor because of the screening, the lies, the attitude, etc.

  506. KennaKenna says:

    @Josh I have no problem signing a prenup, I just had no idea how complex it would be.

  507. gentleman soul says:

    @peeps

    “I just think that is a ridiculous assumption that a woman would want an allowance-free (per meet or monthly not relevant to the discussion) affair with a married guy”

    I think I misunderstood .I totally agree that guys trying to score free pussy are reprehensible and should be banished from SA . Allowances can take the form of the dreaded PTP (which for me is just a doable cash flow management option) vs a monthly deposit . There is a big difference between paying an escort for a sex act vs paying ones SB(weekly) for the pleasure of her company on an ongoing basis .

  508. Josh says:

    @Chitchat

    “Flying first class helps my anxiety, so I am still deciding if to accept his offer. What would you pick, sugar babies?”

    Walk…that will bring your weight down as well as save most of the money.

  509. KennaKenna says:

    @ONSD I didn’t even know you could put that type of language in a prenup. We also have infidelity clauses in there, and he basically stated that having an active online profile on any site with messages to someone displaying interest equals cheating.

    I must say he is very generous if I live up to all these clauses but if I cheat or take away sexual relations completely, I lose almost 40% of what was intended for me.

    And in all of this I completely forgot about my assets, family property and whatever my parents/grandparents have for me- if I didn’t include that, he’d be entitled to half.

    It’s a lot, ahhhh I just want to scream.

  510. El says:

    ^ probably not

  511. El says:

    @OnlineNewbie Ahhh now I understand…thanks for clearing that up for me and I must admit I found some of the comments rather amusing.

    @Gentleman It is helpful hearing different SDs perspectives (as it makes me address and think about exactly what I would like to get out of having a SD) and i value what you have to say. I just can’t bear the thought of sleeping with someone JUST because of the £££…I suppose I will see if presented with that situation wether I turn to the dark side or not lol

  512. Muah says:

    @Rebecca – Do you need the extra cash? If you don’t I would stick with first class :) Especially if it helps with your anxiety.

  513. Josh says:

    I like women who maintain high “standards” in lying.

  514. FunDude says:

    @GTT

    I don’t see why women should be “scared off” of SA due to some old pervy dudes asking for a quick p4p for very low prices.

    They can just ignore those types of guys. They can also ACTIVELY seek out other profiles and send messages or “favorite” statements.

    If a SB is unsuccessful, it is largely her own fault, unless the area she is living has almost no SDs that are active on the website.

    It is either she has too high expectations for her looks, bad attitude, etc.

  515. Josh says:

    A woman not willing to sign a reasonable prenup is NOT worth marrying, unless of course she is worth more than the man. In that case, SHE will make sure that he signs a prenup.

  516. KennaKenna says:

    @El

    Yes, way harder. Americans test every semester, and have midterms, projects, homework, etc that make up the final grade.

    In the GCSE/A-Level system, you have to remember everything you’ve learned for the last 2 years(plus some from the first 3 years of secondary school) for one big exam in each subject that determines your future.

    Also what we studied in A-Levls is what Americans study in the first 3-4 semesters in college. This is why college here is 4 years compared to 3 years in the UK.

  517. gentleman soul says:

    El says:

    @Gentleman Awww shucks…Requiring sex as part of the “arrangement” – as you put it – is what most SDs want I imagine. The difference between a SB and an escort should be that you require she desires you for more than your money no?…

    No ,not necessarily but it is desirable . I’m sure nobody wants to go through the definition of Pro vs Am again . LOL . Absolutely affection and attachment are important to me ,but that takes time to develop. Many SBs confuse Sugar dating with IRL dating . And there is certainly crossover and intermixing. Each to his/her own . The norm is not to “date” for (pick any #) times before becoming intimate . If I pay an allowance I expect the arrangement to have begun and sex is part of that arrangement . If my Pot wants to “take it slow” then we can go out and do that but there will be no allowance or TIPs during that time .However ,if you are lucky enough to meet @gtt you will be tipped even taking it slow . I even have a standing date with gtt where he said he will tip me ( ; What a guy !

    @Struggle

    Absolutely ,dating is ideal and desirable. Reality is another thing .

    @ONSD good one !

    @EL You are slim in America.

    My Pot who doesn’t want sex and (surprise ! ) has not had any luck in 2 mos getting an SD just put up a full length photo of her incredible body in a LBD with an open front -boobs falling out . She is a sadist!

  518. Rebecca says:

    Things settled down with my sd. He was paying the allowance in small increments because his bank branch isnt here, so he has to deal with ATM limits. He offered something new. Said if I choose coach instead, he’ll let me pocket the difference since he’d rather pay me than the airline. Flying first class helps my anxiety, so I am still deciding if to accept his offer. What would you pick, sugar babies?

  519. DarkHorseSD says:

    All – there is always another profile.

  520. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – it’s a more complicated prenup because of the soon-to-be-heir in the situation…and the way you met…

    If I were transitioning from Sugar to Spouse, there would certainly be clauses regarding sexual situations and expectations as a part of the discussion…regardless of how things were working between us currently…

  521. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Muah – old hat means it’s old news, overused, commonplace…it matches the previous part of the listed item.

    @ALL – I found an expanded list that the above was pulled from…if you simply google “how to write good” you’ll see some links to explore and get a bigger laugh!

  522. KennaKenna says:

    You know when we started this prenup thing, I thought it was just going to be a 5-10 page document about what we discussed.

    It’s a freaking book and basically has about 20 different lifestyle clauses that I hadn’t even thought about. It’s becoming a very painful, frustrating experience- the back and forth with my counsel/his counsel.

    Ahhhhh I just want to scream and just want it to be over.

  523. El says:

    @Kenna I never knew it was harder…Well we must represent the O level(GCSE)/A level system!

  524. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @El – see the commentary about “collage” vs “college” above…as well as the issues with “woman” and “women” that we often see in SB profiles…

    @Josh – she is well spoken in her profile…I do believe she went to University, rather than college 😉

  525. Muah says:

    ONSD – Lol… What’s old hat? Writes should never generalize hmm. A gal I am friends with on Facebook (from school) types they, all forms of ‘there’ and with as: dey, der and wit.

    Well the list doesn’t say anything about not including food items you are skilled at making :)

    @Struggle
    Awhile back I started talking with a POT SD who STRESSED that he wanted an exclusive relationship (he was married too) It was on his profile and when we started emailing he stated it again there… After we met the first time we didn’t meet up again – did talk via email though, discussed allowance, etc. About 2 weeks later I received a message on SA from him, opened it up – and it was addressed to a Shelly (I’m Heather lol) thanking her for the free ride, etc. Lols

    @ONSD and @Struggle – I realize Josh was being an ass about the collage versus college thing, but thanks for explaining where the douchbagery was stemming from lol. I really do make collages though, from time to time… I rarely read through all the comments on these things… I didn’t even realize ONSD posted something until Struggle mentioned it above.

    Struggle I did send you an email a few days ago :) I have info in my profile but nothing too exciting, I’m not really looking for more SDs lol. Since you can reactivate profiles now, I should delete it but why bother – not like I have to pay for my SB profile!

  526. El says:

    @Kenna Thanks! Patience is a virtue…I guess I am just going to have to be virtuous

  527. KennaKenna says:

    @El

    I went to secondary school too, grew up in Barbados and we follow the same Olevel/Alevel system- much harder than American HS!

  528. peeps says:

    @gentlemen re: vultures I meant the “married BBCs”.

    Yeah I mean the married “broke booty callers” who are under the impression a single woman is going to have sex with them for no reason…SERIOUSLY????!!! Have you heard of Tinder????

    I totally respect the marrieds (they’re my niche too), I just think that is a ridiculous assumption that a woman would want an allowance-free (per meet or monthly not relevant to the discussion) affair with a married guy. That is just stupid. In my specific case, because I live in a nice area of a very expensive city, I get marrieds a lot…they are aware that I can “host”. The question, other than the attraction, is, is (my) risk worth the cost?

  529. DarkHorseSD says:

    Europeans lie less about body type. They lie less in general; that’s what I have seen.

    I’m one of the SDs that doesn’t like lying.

  530. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle – you caught the intent in my comment about IRL coffee, kudos to you 😉

    Now that all the blog SBs have destroyed my concept of what is being posted and shared from the SBs on SA with all the cheesecake commentary, I guess I’ll HAVE to go somewhere for some more benefactor scouting! Don’t need cheesecake until after things have progressed beyond 3rd base 😉

  531. El says:

    @Josh HS meaning high school? (we call that secondary school here). I did, then did my A levels, then a foundation year. After that I studied for 3 years at University. As I studied Fine Art as my degree I have made many collages in my time…

  532. KennaKenna says:

    Hey everyone!

    @El you’re a cutie, be patient and you’ll do great!

    @Struggle are you getting all excited to see him? Coming up soon right?

  533. El says:

    @OnlineNewbie I think that post has literally saved my life…lol

    @Struggle Thanks, you guys are so helpful! I can’t really ask my friends; even though I believe them to be open-minded people I experienced judgemental lectures after telling a few of them when I first joined SA.

  534. Josh says:

    @DarkHorseSD

    “ONSD, if you need a sandwich, try her out and see. Around here she’d get 12/hr”

    Exactly, I could get a pretty high level chef to come over and prepare awesome sandwich for me for the amount a sexless sandwich-server would expect for that date.

  535. Josh says:

    @El, did you go to HS/collage in UK?

  536. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    Hahaha! Love that list. Got a lil laugh :)

    @Muah
    Why do you not have much in your profile anymore?

  537. DarkHorseSD says:

    ONSD, if you need a sandwich, try her out and see. Around here she’d get 12/hr

  538. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @peeps – as ANOTHER “married vulture” on SA, I like you and your input on blog (and your gravatar)…let’s not lump all marrieds as vultures…please?

  539. StruggleIsReal says:

    @LadyS
    “@struggles, thought of you this evening…there was a lady while I was at gym who had a tank top that said ‘the struggle is real’, hehe.”

    Hehe!! So funny! I have heard that used a couple times since posting on this blog, and now it always makes me think of the blog!! Hahaha

    @Muah
    “Finance” could have been a Freudian-slip of the autocorrect! haha
    Also, you might have gotten Kenna and I confused. It has happened before because we kind of post similarly, have semi-similar situations going on, and our gravatars look a lot alike.

    @ONSD
    “Here’s a small tip for EVERYONE out there…when you make a statement like “I’m not a demanding girl…” and your NEXT WORD is “BUT” you’re a demanding girl”

    Haha! Yep! Kind of like when someone says, “I’m sorry, BUT…”
    Nope, you are not actually sorry!

    Thanks for clearing “collage” up for @Muah. I was about to do it but I see you have already attended to that :)

    “I think I’ll send her another email, thanking her for the conversation and again offering her an ear to bend over business and life…”

    And perhaps to bend HER over the desk, couch, bed… hehehe

    @DarkHorse
    Back when I was searching, I had a POT that had in his profile and kept telling me, rather ironically, that he was “looking for just one women…”. LOL!! He claims he was Ivy educated and everything and in a high-powered job etc etc. Finally I had to call him out on it. I was honestly confused for a minute, until he point blank said “just one”. I really could not tell if he was saying that he didn’t want anything exclusive, as in something with *multiple* women, or if he made a typo, or was just dumb, and wanted *one* woman. He kept going on and on about how smart he was, and he was getting pretty demanding for me to send him pics, and when I didn’t he got pretty testy and rude, so finally I was just like, “Listen, this isn’t going to work. Also, if you are so smart and educated, why can you not use “woman/ women” correctly??”
    Yeah, he didn’t like that. LOL

    @gtt
    Sounds like you have got yourself a nice situation with SB! Happy for you!
    I agree, sex is absolutely always best with someone you have feelings for. For me, it is really the only sex worth having. But I am a woman, and a pretty cerebral one at that. A lot of being turned-on occurs from my mind. I am fully aware then men are able to enjoy sex on a much more, erm, “mechanical” level. hehe

    @gentleman soul
    “Say an SD seeks one SB (not a Pro ) to be a regular sex partner ,to meet for an hour or two in the Bedchambers at least once or twice /week . Public dating is not possible due to marital dynamics and hometown notoriety . What say you ?”

    I say that some sort of activities outside of the bedchambers are necessary, for chemistry and affection to be created. Once some has been created, by all means, spend all time in the bedchambers. But putting some non-sex time in to allow for an actual connection is vital, at least in the beginning. Plus communicating in between, to bridge the gap while away, especially if time outside of bedchambers is limited to non-existent.

    @El
    I can’t view your profile because I deleted mine some time ago, but I might create a filler profile just for the time being so that I can view SBs’ profiles to help.
    But you sound well-spoken and like @ONSD mentioned, that’s half the battle.
    Definitely be a bit proactive and think about your target audience and market to them. Also, it does just take some time. Don’t expect any major sparks right away.
    Good luck!

  540. Muah says:

    My cheesecake brings all the boys (and girls) to the yard…

    I actually don’t state that in my profile. I don’t really have much in my profile anymore lol.

    Yes El here in the US (and Puerto Rico) you would be considered thin :)

  541. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Didn’t translate well…here it is:

    How To Write Good:
    1. Avoid Alliteration. Always.
    2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
    3. Avoid cliches like the plague. They’re old hat.
    4. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.
    5. Be more or less specific.
    6. Writes should never generalize.
    Seven: Be consistent!
    8. Don’t be redundant; don’t use more words than necessary; it’s highly superfluous.
    9. Who needs rhetorical questions?
    10. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

    Enough for now!

  542. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Just found a pic people might be interested in…as it relates to the profile text…

  543. El says:

    @NC Had never thought of the difference, I would never dare list myself as slim…maybe I should move to the US…haha and thanks! Will definitely be putting up some other photos soon though as OnlineNewbie has given me some great pointers

  544. Muah says:

    Lol married vulture … aww

  545. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    hahaha – cheesecake…when she mentioned making sandwiches in her profile, I had to urban dictionary it…that’s what prompted the post…now…blog SBs are professing expertise in cheesecake profiles and arrangements? interesting indeed…

  546. El says:

    @Gentleman Awww shucks…Requiring sex as part of the “arrangement” – as you put it – is what most SDs want I imagine. The difference between a SB and an escort should be that you require she desires you for more than your money no?…

  547. NC Gent says:

    p.s. I am also a married vulture :)

  548. NC Gent says:

    You have nice photos, El. In the United States, you would be considered “slim” under body type. I have a European SB who also listed herself as average, but I consider her to be slender. The difference in interpretation of body type between Europe and the US appears to be pretty consistent. I hope you find a great match!

  549. El says:

    @Peeps I technically joined about 6 months ago but soon realised I would need to allocate more time if I were to do this properly. I came back on to the site just under a week ago (wow! feels much longer…). Will definitely hang in there and the one thing I am understanding more and more through these comments is that I have to be more proactive. Like you said, I’m going to have to be the one doing most of the leg work, an approach not necessarily implemented in my everyday life.

  550. gentleman soul says:

    @peeps

    I found that the first couple of weeks were when the vultures swooped in, the dudes who “didn’t believe in allowances”, the poor guys pretending, the BBC (“broke booty callers) marrieds, etc…

    Whoa !! peeps ,you’re breaking my heart ! You just disparaged 95 % of the SA SD population . Marrieds as you say are 75% or more of the SD population . Don’t knock the hands that feed you .

    EL ,I think you are adorable ! I would contact you if you were in my region . OF course I am a “married” and therefore I guess a vulture ,and don’t believe in monthly allowances ,don’t hand out a handful of cash for showing up to the M&G , and actually require sex as part of the “arrangement”

  551. El says:

    @Muah ohhh something like this?… e69adf7a

    If not OnlineNewbie managed to find me with Ella_La_La

    @LadyScarlett Thanks

  552. gentleman soul says:

    @ALL – If someone says they are not interested in anything sexual, but repeats a couple of times in her profile that she makes great sandwiches, is she a semi-pro willing to go part-way, or is she a tease that likes to feed her SD?

    It’s shocking how many SBs put no sex in their profile, yet show pics that are sexually suggestive . That is a mixed message . The sandwich maker has to have something to offer a guy for paying her .Mom always said the way to a guys heart is through his stomach . Silly girl !

    A beautiful girl I corresponded with who says “nothing physical” has a picture where one entire boob is exposed sans nipple. What is she thinking ?

    Another said that she will only go to 3rd base,but no sex. LOL

  553. Muah says:

    Peeps speaks the truth about the vermin hunting down the newbie SBs. Though I don’t think there is anything wrong with an SD being married, that’s more of a personal preference for an SB.

    I learned how to make cheesecakes to seduce men – Lol, half kidding! A work mom was telling me about how her husband absolutely loves cheesecake and a light bulb went off :)

  554. Josh says:

    *with impunity…

  555. Josh says:

    @ONSD

    It reads to me something like this:

    I am here for your money. I have a cash-less, young dick in my life and I don’t want yours. Not only that, but I will insult you without impunity. Give me your money because I will bring my pussy within 3-4 feet of your dick. You should worship me for that privilege, you creepy old fart.

  556. LadyScarlett says:

    Muah, a hot babe, cheesecake making SB would be perfect, if I were a man, hehe…

    El, will take a look in a few…finishing up a few things at work, so haven’t logged in site…

  557. peeps says:

    @el, also, when did you join? I found that the first couple of weeks were when the vultures swooped in, the dudes who “didn’t believe in allowances”, the poor guys pretending, the BBC (“broke booty callers) marrieds, etc…
    After a couple of weeks, it kind of stabilized. I just think you have to spend some time browsing, favoriting and sending messages…this is the opposite of OkCupid and Tinder…YOU have to do the work and men have a greater pick of women to choose from.

  558. Muah says:

    El your profile ID will begin with an ‘e’ in the address bar :)

    ONSD – Quite a talent to make great sandwiches. I make a variety of great cheesecakes does that count for something lol – Maybe I should include that in my profile…

  559. El says:

    @LadyScarlett @DarkHorse and @Pepps Would love to have your opinion and hear any suggestion you might have as to my profile and lack of serious interest

  560. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ALL – If someone says they are not interested in anything sexual, but repeats a couple of times in her profile that she makes great sandwiches, is she a semi-pro willing to go part-way, or is she a tease that likes to feed her SD?

  561. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @El – no worries…I want SBs with the proper mind-set to have a positive experience in the Sugar Bowl…it means they might talk about the Sugar Bowl to other potential SBs that will have the proper mind-set 😉

    It’s also a bit self-serving, because I’m continually hoping for some positive Sugar Karma to head my way!

  562. El says:

    @OnlineNewbie Thank you for all your advice and surprisingly lovely comments. I now feel invigorated and can’t believe I have lacked creativity when faced with these problems. In regards to the underwear photos, I think I will steer clear as I definitely don’t want possible suiters to get the wrong idea. Now I just have to find an SD to connect with…easy :S haha

  563. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @El – take a friend shopping at a thrift store or a department store…get some pics in a cocktail or evening dress (even if it is not yours yet) so the potential SD knows you CAN dress up. Make sure to push for a less-formal first meet so your current clothes work…then…when you connect with him and he invites you to a more formal dinner, you can feel confident to ask for the spa day to look your best, or mention you wish you had better clothes for that location…if you’ve connected, he’s more likely to help you look good when you’re out with him!

  564. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @El – I think you will have some luck on the site…but YOU need to be the person reaching out to the type of SD you want. If he “Favorites” your profile, look at his profile and if you find him appealing, send him a message – comment about what attracted you to his profile.

    You seem to be able to put together more than a couple of words, and use punctuation and spelling properly…you’re ahead of 85% of the other profiles on the site…now…prove to the SD you’re more than that.

    I think there is NO USE for overt sexual pictures or text on the profile. The more suggestive you are the more you will distance yourself from the pros!

    Your pictures should be fully clothed, wearing something that shows the types of activities you would like to be available for with your SD…if it’s cuddling on the couch for movies, take a picture in your yoga pants and cami, bowl of popcorn on your lap, hand near your mouth and that gorgeous smile enticing him to sit next to you (maybe even the finger curl instead of the popcorn bowl)!

    If you want to put something more revealing in the private pics, that’s fine…now you’re engaging with the guy and you can use something more engaging for his desires…but…be careful, because it will still smell of pro when he sees that bra-panty set before he’s engaged past the smile and language of your profile!

  565. El says:

    @Peeps Don’t apologise for being blunt, I have read many comments from these blogs and am surprised I haven’t got it worse :) Being presentable in high class environments is something that has been playing on my mind. I have various attributes that do work well with the upper class although things like clothes, a hair cut and getting my nails done (they are bitten beyond belief) are things that I know need to be sorted but that means money…something i don’t have, at least they are not things I can think about spending money on at the moment.

  566. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @gentleman – I’ve been parted with my money a couple of times as well…I believe there are opportunities for a monthly allowance (and I have had those arrangements in the past that worked – but they NEVER started as monthly allowances)

    I agree with @gtt in that the first meet deserves a gift, to recognize there was a commitment from the two of you to meet and talk and converse, etc. But I’m not a big believer in CASH as the gift after a first meet…that’s also why I give it the day after the meet…I try to make it about what we discussed, the mani/pedi is a great idea. However, if she’s getting a cab or uber or whatever…or she’s had to arrange for a sitter…then cash to MORE THAN cover that issue would be expected at the first meet (as long as it was discussed prior). There’s nothing worse than a profile that lists 0 kids and after half a cup of coffee you find out there’s 5 kids that she’s pissed you don’t have a handful of cash to pay for the amusement park trip she’s already promised them because she was meeting you and expecting a couple hundred for the conversation!

  567. El says:

    ^ Doesn’t look like my id came up so here it is – Ella_La_La

  568. El says:

    I don’t mind posting my id on here…have put it in the website box so should come up.

    @OnlineNewbie I will get on putting up a full length and engaging pic. I really don’t think my criteria is that destructive. The only search criteria I put in are age (up to late 40s) and area (London)…oh and thanks regarding your comment about my smile :)

    @DarkHorse Thanks for the tips but i don;t understand..well written notes are a bad thing?

    @LadyScarlett ID should come with this post

  569. LadyScarlett says:

    “El says:
    March 16, 2015 at 8:32 am
    2DarkHorse London is a city where only the rich can experience everything this wonderful city has to offer…well the rich and their playthings”

    That is true, to an extent, but even the poor can visit the Portobello rd. Market…and, there are aome fun things to do there, on the cheap. But, to live the high life there, yes, you need $$$$$$$$

  570. peeps says:

    @El
    What do you have to offer???? Is the basic question.
    Are you sexy? Interesting? Yes, also, you HAVE to email people and favorite them…I gather some women don’t grasp that you have to have something to offer and that it’s not a platonic relationship…if you’re drop-dead gorgeous the platonic thing might work, otherwise…

    yes, HELLO the pictures have to be sexy. I am sorry to be so blunt but what do you think men come to this website for??? To buy you Chanel handbags for no reason? No. To get a physical return on their investment. So you must know what your assets are and be willing to show them, with class, but to be aware of them, nonetheless…also, how presentable in expensive environments are you? Do you have a place of your own? WHERE in London are you, I know the city is so spread out that you might be too far from the locations where the SDs are…All of this needs to be considered…

  571. gtt_envy says:

    @GS, I’ve met many SBs looking for that daytime tryst. If you are decent looking, in shape, and normal, $400-500/meet should be easy to find omeone. I will say in my experience most are not though!!

    Would be cheaper to see a escort for sure if cost is a concern.

    A ex sb did a week in Miami every month for $2500 travel provided. She was 23 he was 67, but she also whined how much she hated going and ended it after 3 months.

    Good luck!!

  572. LadyScarlett says:

    The post above is for @El

  573. LadyScarlett says:

    Hmm, well, some do not even read your profile, and just picture look…so, it is not always your profile, but the quality ones who are serious will read. You need something that reflects your personality, and depends on what type of SD you want, in order to properly market it to the right man. I will look at yours(also, be careful posting your ID on here, if you want to stay discreet, since it stays on here in internet land). Some on blog are happy to privately email with help or questions.

  574. DarkHorseSD says:

    El, you use the private photo permission as an easy way to show potential interest in someone that hasn’t bothered to make an especially good profile.

    Put whatever type of pictures will appeal to the sorts of men you would like get involved with.

    If you are sending well written notes already, then you have big problems that need addressing. More details please, and paste your profile link into the website box above the comment.

  575. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @el – I think you can do MUCH better with pictures in your profile…as has been mentioned before:

    1. a full length, standing picture (best when with a cocktail dress or sun dress.
    2. something “active” or engaging with what you want to do from your profile.
    3. SMILES – which you have already – that show how happy you are in life.

    You have a beautiful smile…your text could be cleaned up a bit, but it’s not bad…you might just have to suffer through some douchebags that contact you and reach out to those you are attracted to.

    You didn’t give me numbers that match your search criteria…as @Lady said, there are DSs in and around London, but if YOUR search criteria eliminate most of them (due to age, size, etc) you could be destroying your opportunity for success!

  576. El says:

    2DarkHorse London is a city where only the rich can experience everything this wonderful city has to offer…well the rich and their playthings

  577. El says:

    @LadyScarlett I have been, perhaps not as much as I should as it is rather disheartening when you can see that some messages have been read and just not replied to. One reply I got that was interesting is that I was appealing but perhaps i was a little too innocent…maybe I should focus on being more flirtatious and less bubbly/cute?

  578. gentleman soul says:

    @Online

    That’s all an allowance is, if paid in advance, it’s a payment To Insure Proper Service throughout the term of the payment…

    Prepaid allowance is an example of the adage “a fool and his money soon parts” In a decade of Sugaring I have never won that bet .

    So Ladies ,I have a question -I think rhetorical for this crowd but will be good for discussion .

    Say an SD seeks one SB (not a Pro ) to be a regular sex partner ,to meet for an hour or two in the Bedchambers at least once or twice /week . Public dating is not possible due to marital dynamics and hometown notoriety . What say you ?

    Don’t say go to an escort,because the SD doesn’t want a high volume business-like experience .There will be genuine affection and caring ,just expressed in chambers.

  579. DarkHorseSD says:

    London is an entire city with Madison Square Garden prices.

  580. LadyScarlett says:

    @gtt, yep, using ‘$$, $’ tip, ect., is defo hobbyist lingo. Doesn’t surprise me, considering the creepy source…like I said, so many on SA now because they are too cheap or want to save money on an escorting habit(as you probably noticed from your SB’s emails). There are even men on SA now with profile names of ‘Hobby10’ or Hobby(insert city here), lol…they aren’t even trying to hide it. SA really needs to go back to at least screening profile names, hehe.

  581. El says:

    @DarkHorse I don’t currently have any private photos, just public ones. I had no idea that sending notes (that I believe are well written) would have zero effect on the serious SDs…guess I have a lot to learn. I’m guessing these photos should be suggestive? Otherwise there would be no point as prospective SDs could just look at the public ones

  582. LadyScarlett says:

    El,have you been actively emailing prospects? There are some really quality SD’s in and around London…

  583. gtt_envy says:

    ^^^^^
    Sorry cellphone reply jumbled that all up.

  584. gtt_envy says:

    Where did I say she was superior? She has one other dude “me” and it is just to show many girls on the site get messages that are .5 cents above a escort from guys 2-3 times there age. They get creeped out and leave the site!!

    Or cancelled on or stalked by catfish type and sent messages that more or less say bang me at the Holiday in for $300 a meet sound good? Not too appealing for most 20 year old I’d say!!

    Gifting on a first date should be the norm if the date goes well. Gentleman soul no that waany hobbyist lingo Lol. I gave who a mani/pedi day at a local spa, $100, and a card.

  585. DarkHorseSD says:

    El, your answer is in your results to a great extent.

    However, you are not taking all those great “favorite” opportunities to read their profile and send a note (a well written note) to the good sounding ones. Share your private pictures with them if they are borderline (it’s just a click of your time.)

  586. El says:

    @Online I guess ideally I would be looking for an allowance however I understand that that might be expecting too much at the beginning. I live in London (a very expensive city) and as I don’t make nearly enough to move out and rent a place here I would be looking for a price that could help me accomplish this. of course I’m not just doing this for money, I am also just excited to try something new and experience things that are out of reach at the moment.

    My profile id is Ella_La_La

    Rather nerve-racking but any advice/criticism will be much appreciated.

  587. LadyScarlett says:

    “OnlineNewbieSD says:
    March 16, 2015 at 7:51 am
    @gentleman – I don’t think an unexpected gift after a nice night without expectations is “over the top” generous…I think it is something that shows you are serious as a SD…The amount of that GIFT after a first meeting can be contingent upon the level of “connection” you feel, the speed of your erection during that kiss good night, the flexibility of the SB in scheduling, or anything else you determine.”

    You must understand that there are the ‘men'(especially blog, it seems), who are like youth sucking vampires, and are not interested in a real SD/SB relationship, where is is beneficial for both parties, or they would like to see the SB in a better place than when he met her, but are looking to get the cheapest prices they can on SA(since even the cheapest escorts are too much for them) or take advantage of women in desperate straights. I posted a link awhile back to a forum on usasexguides(SBs amatuers or not)that has many other parasites like this who brag at banging SBs for $200 per meet or much less. Or, I suppose ‘SDs’ like this would consider an after dinner gift of $200 or nice gift card ‘over the top’, since that is what they are looking to spend on sex(or less money per meet), lol.

  588. DarkHorseSD says:

    One of the big contributors to making SA a snake pit is men being sloppy with their money. There is plenty of time down the road to give lots of money.

    I gave an SB I liked very much $50 for “an Uber ride home” ($12) the other day after an hour of drinks. We are going out for a great dinner next.

  589. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @El – if you have been reading comments, you should know there are SDs and SBs on blog willing to help, but there are a few things you need to KNOW before ANYONE can help you:

    1. What are you looking for in a SD? Allowance, p2p, etc. Also, what level of monthly compensation are you expecting?
    2. What is your profile id? Either share it on blog or to one of the email addresses shared in blog comments past.
    3. What is your potential market in the location you expect to Sugar? Do a search for the SDs matching your criteria, in the location you want to Sugar, within the distance you are willing to travel to meet him. Have that TOTAL number, and then dig through to see how many were active within the last week (7 days or less). This gives you your ACTIVE market and will demonstrate if there is even a market for you to explore!

  590. Josh says:

    @gentle

    Keep in mind @gtt_envy is “@flyR lite”.

    He comes around to diss other SDs by posting “idiot lite” comments.

  591. FunDude says:

    @GTT

    She has a boyfriend and is fucking other dudes on the side for “gifts”.

    The old guys messaging her are just looking for sex.

    I don’t see her being any “superior” to them.

    What makes her superior in these interactions?

  592. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @gentleman – I don’t think an unexpected gift after a nice night without expectations is “over the top” generous…I think it is something that shows you are serious as a SD…The amount of that GIFT after a first meeting can be contingent upon the level of “connection” you feel, the speed of your erection during that kiss good night, the flexibility of the SB in scheduling, or anything else you determine.

    I have used gift cards as the after-first-meet gift. Usually the day after the first meet. If she is quick to connect back with me, she usually gets a bump in what I was thinking as the gift…if she expresses interest in connecting again, and I have an interest in continuing, another bump…I guess you could call it a part of the T.I.P.S. process? I am gifting To Insure Proper Service…if I’m NOT interested, it doesn’t matter how much she is interested, but she’s still going to get something from me to demonstrate I am the gentleman I’ve portrayed in communications.

    That’s all an allowance is, if paid in advance, it’s a payment To Insure Proper Service throughout the term of the payment…when the service disappears, the payments disappear…simple as that!

  593. a latin opinion says:

    @Online good for you and good luck! Those are the best kind of arrangements in my opinion, natural arrangements lol.

  594. El says:

    @All Was hoping to get some advice as I have been reading through these comment section over the past few days and you seem to know what you’re talking about.

    I am a half black half white 23 year old woman, recent arts graduate. I’m no 10 but I am not exactly sore on the eyes. I also believe I bring more than just looks to the table (fun, intelligent, cultured etc etc) and yet I have had no serious takers. The few emails I have received (SDs do favourite my profile but are never heard from again?..) are from time wasters and men trying to get me to their house for £200 (I get a funny feeling about those ones, even if I did trust them I don’t want to tired into the escort realm).

    Have been wondering wether i just have a bad profile, come across in a bad way or perhaps I am just not what a serious SD is looking for…I was hoping I could get some help from the infamous commenters (you guys!).

    Thanks!!

  595. gentleman soul says:

    @gtt_envy

    That night was more of a getting to know chemistry type of night, so just a kiss goodbye and a gift/$$ was how that ended.

    I ass-ume that $$ means $200 and not just a tip . You should have no problem all night long getting a date . What did you give her for the night in bed ? $$ for the privilege of treating her to dinner ,drinks ,and a smooch is over the top generous .

  596. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    IRL Update – had coffee this morning with the industry connection…what a great looking young woman!

    She was BRAND NEW to the industry (not even completely licensed) getting into the business through family connections…I had to be careful discussing the industry, because I think they are on the outside of trends…but she had wonderful eye contact throughout our discussion…we discussed her situation, how she felt about her finances getting into an industry expense heavy early in careers…she talked about her goals (home purchase, becoming a transition point for the business) boyfriend was not mentioned with the home purchase or the future business transition…when I offered to be available for career and life questions (to be an outside the situation support person) she said she likes to have options for support, since even boyfriends can be trouble 😉

    I think I’ll send her another email, thanking her for the conversation and again offering her an ear to bend over business and life…we’ll see…excited for possibilities!

  597. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @gtt – from my conversations with SBs it does seem like the more active “fakes” are on the SD side of the ledger…the fake SBs create a profile, get creeped out by the d-bag messages they get and disappear…the fake SDs tend to stick around and cause problems for us “normal” SDs!

    Glad you had a good time with the SB you connected with…kind of…since it wasn’t as good as you hoped for.

  598. gtt_envy says:

    While both sides are right with the influx of fakes on both sides I say there are more guy fakes then girl fakes! My current SB showed me some of the crazy messages and conversations she has had with guys on the site before deleting her profile this past weekend.

    We have talked off and on for months, and hung out one time before this. I wanted to (let me be crass} “Tap that, hit it, get up in it etc so bad” very cute, nursing student, sorority girl, pretty grounded, does have a boyfriend which doesn’t bother me at all. That night was more of a getting to know chemistry type of night, so just a kiss goodbye and a gift/$$ was how that ended.

    She is 20, and most of the guys were 50-65 that messaged her. Most had messages that screamed one night stand and cheap:

    “You are pretty. I come through your area on business and would enjoy taking you out for dinner with some activities afterwards?”

    “I’m a well known businessman we can meet outside the city limits for a good time. I give good allowances are you interested?”

    **Another guy she was talking too who seemed normal would drive around the college she attends almost stalking her. Texting her 100x a day and it wasn’t reciprocal!! Total CREEP!!**

    So, we finally decided to clear our schedules and hang out again!! Our date was 26th floor suite, balcony drinks, comedy event within walking distance, and then we had fun afterwards!

    Turns out it wasn’t as good as I hoped……ultra tight though like damn that’s tight type tight, great kisser, good vocals lol, but I still say the best sex is with someone you have true feelings for, still fun though!!

    It was cool and we are both down to hangout again. Happy sugaring 😉 be clear, be upfront, and have fun!!

  599. Josh says:

    Communicating with a young girl who has diaper fetish. 😉

  600. DarkHorseSD says:

    I haven’t seen that one. But more than 25% of profiles in the old days that used woman/women got it wrong.

    They were all written by Brandon’s Mother’s Cousin.

    Haven’t noticed it so much lately.

  601. Josh says:

    Or wemen?

  602. DarkHorseSD says:

    Now I understand. A collage girl is a girl who has graduated from being a women.

  603. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Muah – when a SD types collage in a comment about a profile, it means there are GLARING typos and auto-corrects in the text…it also means she claims to be in college, but can’t string together a coherent thought (which means she’s probably NOT in college).

    There are a TON of comments on past blogs discussing the types of SB profiles on the site…collage girls are one of the most annoying. They claim to be studying something high-brow or education intense like business, law, medicine, finance…but…the words they choose to use do not pass middle school spell check or auto-correct and they have nothing original to say…they typically bitch about the SDs that contact her being all about the sex, but they don’t talk about anything but being “fun”, “adventurous”, “life of the party”, etc. She’s probably the “women” of my dreams, because she doesn’t even know the difference between her being a “woman” and her being a “women”.

  604. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I thought about trying to catch-up on the blog since my last post…holy busy posters!

    Here’s a small tip for EVERYONE out there…when you make a statement like “I’m not a demanding girl…” and your NEXT WORD is “BUT” you’re a demanding girl.

    IF, however, you can use two declarative statements in a row…without the joiner word “BUT”…you have a chance to be considered something other than your original statement.

    i.e. – I’m not a demanding girl. The profiles I seem to be encountering are a lot more p2p than I remember in the past.

    This is a rewrite compared to something like I’m not a demanding girl but all I see is p2p bull shit.

    See the difference? If not, you’re not going to have success…if yes, you’ll be able to change your language and get away from the profiles you despise and find your next great arrangement!

  605. Keo says:

    @Struggle..thanks for all the encouragement! I will keep you posted on things.

  606. Eric Davis says:

    Where are the SM at I need one bad lol?

  607. Josh says:

    @Muah,

    Serious answer for you: There’s method to @Guru’s madness.

  608. Muah says:

    Lol finance. Fantastic auto-correct. Well that’s awesome to hear :) I couldn’t remember who was getting married on this blog. I’ve never cared about age – However, I couldn’t see myself dating someone younger! Thanks :) Corsets are always a good time lol

    Josh, I never said that sticking to or having standards is wrong. Everyone should have standards. I also understand that unless you are born into money, it takes a great deal of work to accumulate wealth.

    Serious question for you: Why are you on this site? Since you don’t like entitled, self-absorbed women? It’s been mentioned many times that the quality of people on this site has taken a huge dip and that it’s so much more difficult to find someone worthwhile… On the old site I would occasionally browse the other SB profiles and most made me cringe.

    Obviously, money doesn’t grow on trees and I know many other females who realize that as well – it seems to be common sense. Before you say it, I know there are gals who really think that way – that a man should pay for everything. I’ve heard ex girlfriend stories from guy friends lol… But if you don’t like a particular type of person why associate with them?

  609. Josh says:

    @Muah

    “Why do you keep typing collage instead of college – You really think that makes you clever? It doesn’t.”

    It does too. Don’t make a fool out of yourself by challenging @Guru’s glorious wisdom. 😉

  610. LadyScarlett says:

    @struggles, thought of you this evening…there was a lady while I was at gym who had a tank top that said ‘the struggle is real’, hehe.

  611. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keo
    I love your gravatar!!
    Haha… Good luck trying to pump the breaks. We tried that too… Just creates more tension that throws your together more intensely.
    But I am glad to hear the marriage is already in dissolution. I didn’t realize that before. Good things ahead for you dear. I am very happy to hear this!

    @Muah
    I like your corset in your gravatar!

    @FatBastard
    Sucks my balls, in Asia! We moved our trip up a week. I’ll email you (I know you’re dying for it! LoL).

  612. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Peeps
    I am with you. I like @flyR, and don’t like all the hate he gets here on this board, but I don’t agree with his comment on your post.
    If some guy approached me in the way you detailed, I would (and have been) immediately turned off. Sorry, not happening. Done-zo.

    @Muah
    I’m assuming by “finance” you meant “fiance”? But he is not my fiance. We are a very new relationship. We met here and are moving very quickly. But… he is is not older than me at all, in fact he is younger than me… which is completely bizarre, especially for me. I am talking, in real life dating, I go for much older men. Not just on SA etc. I’ve dated a man my father’s age, completely because I was insanely attracted to him. So this is very different. But we just connect in some way that is beyond anything I have ever experienced…

  613. Josh says:

    @Muah

    “Just because you have money or claim to have money doesn’t make you better or less susceptible to human emotions.”

    Just because I have money or I claim to have money, I get messages from SBs half my age all day long to please me or at least claim to please me.

    Most women have very simplistic, and monolithic assessment of “money”, until they get out and try to make some through hard day’s of work. My dear, money does not grow on trees, fall from sky, or show up in bank’s computers.

    For a self-made men, like myself, money represents the blood, sweat, tears, lost opportunity and time expanded to acquire it, and more blood, sweat, tears, lost opportunity and time to be spent in the future to maintain the status quo, and to add to the assets and income.

  614. Keo says:

    @Struggle Yes girl. This is crazy. My marriage has been over for a while. When I told my sisters I asked for a divorce they said, ” We were just waiting”. Me and my sisters are close but I don’t tell them everything about my marriage for obvious reasons. I was surprised they knew things had been so bad. I’m definitely always looking out for self sabotage ( @Josh thanks ) He’s a keeper for sure!

  615. FunDude says:

    Muah has no respect for Josh’s SD abilities.

    She’s calling him out as a “fake” SD.

    Damn, it just got real!

  616. Muah says:

    Josh everything you disagree with is “gobblygook”. Why do you keep typing collage instead of college – You really think that makes you clever? It doesn’t.

    Sruggle – How much older is your finance (??) I don’t read all the comments on these things, I apologize. Just curious :)

  617. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keo
    Girl welcome to my boat!! I specifically came to this site to NOT fall in love! WTF!! Enter best dude I have ever met or even heard of, and we are equally enamored. Sounds like you and your man are right there as well! The thing is, we came into this completely differently than a “regular” relationship. There is an openness that is unmatched and blows any other relationship entirely away. I know for your situation you have the marriage stuff to deal with so I can imagine that makes it much different.
    I would tell you not to push something amazing away, but I know you won’t be able to, so I’ll just say, enjoy it!! Life is too short not to enjoy amazing people in your life.
    Let’s all be on the lookout for our own sabotage. Josh has and continues to teach us well in this regard. I really don’t want to fuck my situation up.

    All that said, I am SO happy for you!! Damn SBs are kicking ass off this blog lately!!

  618. Muah says:

    What did I get “powned” on lol ?

    Dark Horse
    Haha yea yea – Well they wouldn’t be begging if they were quality guys right :)

  619. Keo says:

    He’s from Germany. Born there. He works for a chemical company.

    We are trying to slowing down. We recognize that feeling are moving lightening speed.

  620. Josh says:

    @All bloggers who are attending some collage or can only get admission in a collage.

    Either words have meaning or they don’t. Don’t write some gobbledygook and then backtrack when @Guru calls you on it. Well you can backtrack all you want but don’t simultaneously claim that @Guru has reading comprehension issues.

    No dear, YOU are writing challenged. 😉

  621. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Muah

    You just got powned biotch!

    Have a nice day :-)

    P.S.
    I think @Josh is a prick so you really know you got powned!

  622. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Personally, I have had plenty of men from this site begging for my attention.”

    Personally I’ve heard what plenty of men from this site are like.

  623. a latin opinion says:

    @keo where is he originally from? Where he born? And for what company does he works for?

    They are right, if you fall in love, you mess it up before it even started.

  624. Muah says:

    Lol, just ignore my posts in general. Given the amount of time you spend on here, I doubt you are actually an SD …

    Whose? Some sort of inside joke I gather. Very… Funny… ??

  625. Josh says:

    @Muah,

    “I am curious now… Perhaps, an SD could answer this for me”

    Next time put a little note that you don’t need response from the @Guru, and the @Guru will promptly ignore your posts.

  626. Josh says:

    @FunDude,

    Hahahahaha!!!

  627. FunDude says:

    @Muah

    Don’t take shit from Josh. You need to show him whose boss!

  628. Muah says:

    Did you attend a collage given you lack of reading comprehension skills?

  629. Muah says:

    PS I love collages. They are fun to make on rainy days.

  630. Muah says:

    Oooh Josh is lining up one of his master insults… Duh duuh duuuuhhh. I feel so privileged. Haha.

  631. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    “Fuck getting an MBA from a top school, I will just pay FLYR some money and he will make sure I am the next Bill Gates.”

    @flyR will pimp you in the salt business.

  632. Josh says:

    @Muah

    Did you attend a collage or do you consider yourself “street smart” type?

  633. FunDude says:

    Fuck getting an MBA from a top school, I will just pay FLYR some money and he will make sure I am the next Bill Gates.

    Shouldn’t have put down that deposit for the MBA!

  634. FunDude says:

    @Fatbastard

    Good point. I think my IQ has decreased after listening to FLYR’s stories and actually believing one of them.

    Hopefully, its not a permanent IQ decrease.

    Can FLYR mentor me too so that I can make over 2 million per year?

    Once I get an MBA from a top program, all I will need is FLYR’s “mentorship” and I will be the next Bill Gates.

  635. DarkHorseSD says:

    They, not honey

  636. DarkHorseSD says:

    “The quality on SA appears to be deteriorating lol.”

    SA is only as good as the last wink received…

    Oh, honey did away with winks. 😉

  637. Josh says:

    @peeps

    If you want to edit and re-post your comment about Woody Allen and James Gandolfini, or are you sticking to it? 😉

  638. Muah says:

    Why thank you Captain Obvious for taking time to respond to a question that was not, in any shape or form, directed towards you. My my you sure do think you are some sort of “God’s gift” don’t you…

    Anyways – No shit this isn’t Match (etc) and no shit how attractive an SD finds you determines your allowance. Oh wait for some SDs, personality is important as well – SHOCKER.

    Personally, I have had plenty of men from this site begging for my attention. Your forget that men on this site are still human beings. Just because you have money or claim to have money doesn’t make you better or less susceptible to human emotions.

    Josh you continuously prove that you cannot effectively read – As my comment stated, personality and respect are far more important to me than money and that includes looks. I can be attracted to whomever I chose, that’s my business. Has nothing to do with being a princess – has to do with having standards. PS: EVERYONE, including women, are allowed to have standards. Oh but I forgot – Josh thinks that the entire female gender fits into one generalization and are ultimately the bane of male existence. My bad.

    Lol, Darkhorse – Don’t you ask for pictures? :)

  639. Josh says:

    @FatB’StardSD

    “None of the people you know walking out of college have been “mentored” by flyR. That is the real key to success in the business world.”

    Duh!!! There you have it folks.

  640. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    “Why would they pay so much money unless she has strong connections through daddy and mommy?”

    Because @flyR needed an anecdote for the blog?

  641. Keo says:

    @Josh he does not have one. He didn’t plan to stay. I’m not a potential green card ticket. Lol

  642. FatB'StardSD says:

    @FunDude

    “I don’t know of many people walking out of college making over 650K with just a bachelors. ”

    None of the people you know walking out of college have been “mentored” by flyR. That is the real key to success in the business world.

  643. DarkHorseSD says:

    SA could help out a lot by just automatically lowering the expectation as an SB ages. 😉

    Can that apple watch thing read body type?

  644. FatB'StardSD says:

    @FunDude

    “FLYR I think a good amount of your stories are BULLSHIT.”

    You can’t be too bright yourself if it took you this amount of time to figure that one out.

    Have a nice day :-).

  645. peeps says:

    @josh re: Woody Allen and James G I meant they were attractive-ugly. Meaning they were not “handsome” men but they were attractive. I have met some ppl here that BECAUSE they had money they thought that made up for them not being nice people, or attractive men. Their wealth made them not attractive for whatever reason. My exact words were “I like “ugly men” and these “ugly men” had qualities. When you are an “ugly man” and your only redeeming “quality” is your money, that’s an issue.

    Woody Allen and James G had talent and fame, which in itself is attractive to women.

  646. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    I don’t know of many people walking out of college making over 650K with just a bachelors. Finance bachelors are a DIME A DOZEN.

    Why would they pay so much money unless she has strong connections through daddy and mommy?

  647. Josh says:

    @Keo,

    Does he have the “green card” or not? Are you his potential “green card” ticket?

  648. FunDude says:

    The quality on SA appears to be deteriorating lol.

    Just got a “favorite” from a 32 year old demanding a “substantial” allowance but has no picks.

    Just was viewed by a BBW 36 y/o with 5 kids lol.

    A 22 y/o with almost no info or pic that has a “moderate” allowance wants to “talk” before giving me her private pics. Why would I waste time talking to someone with those types of demands without seeing them first?

  649. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    “FLYR I think a good amount of your stories are BULLSHIT.”

    As per @FB, @flyR possesses Wisdom of Solomon. So the stories are revealed to him by none other than the Almighty. 😉

  650. FunDude says:

    @FLYR

    Maybe you should understand the comments that were made before responding. I clearly stated that those 4 qualities aren’t consistent with women.

    You confirmed this by saying a woman who “makes good money wouldn’t waste her time cooking and cleaning”.

    Also, thats pretty impressive making over 650K two years out from undergrad. She must have some real good connections because I know of almost no one that makes that level of money with just some bullshit bachelors degree and two years out of college.

    FLYR I think a good amount of your stories are BULLSHIT.

    Most MBAS (even from top schools) don’t make 650K.

  651. Keo says:

    @Josh. Lol… help me!

  652. Keo says:

    @Muah..it’s insane! He’s here on a work visa. He told me today he was getting a green card. I definitely wasn’t expecting anything like this when I thought to try this. He’s from a completely different world than me. He’s talking about Japan, Brazil and south Africa while serving me traditional thai soup he learned how to make while living there. But he is crazy about me and I feel the same way. We are both trying to slow down but we just click.

  653. Josh says:

    @Keo

    Don’t hurry the sabotage. You’re going to fuck it up with this love thing.

  654. Josh says:

    @Muah

    “Sad day for me when I realized I was far more picky than I imagined myself to be lol.”

    SBs are doing this all the times. Yesterday @peeps called Woody Allen and James Gandolfini “ugly.” If that is the bar for ugly, SBs are leaving a lot of money on the table. This is NOT Match, POF, OKC where men are literally begging for your attention.

    “Which attracts a higher quality POT SD: A set allowance or allowance set as negotiable?”

    This is an SD site. Not a princess site. An allowance commensurate to your hotness factor, location, pleasantness of personality and the ability to bend over backward to accommodate the SD’s needs.

  655. Muah says:

    @Keo – Don’t pass up on the real thing :)

    Personally, I have no interest in a traditional relationship… falling in love, etc – at this time at least :) However, if it happened I wouldn’t pass it by!

  656. Keo says:

    Okay, this sugaring lifestyle isn’t for me. He is so awesome. He cooked me dinner at his house… and we are pretty much falling in love with each other… This was not part of the plan.. FML!

  657. peeps says:

    @flyR
    Thank you, you made an excellent point about the free-to not-free thing and also about verifying someone and being more thorough before meeting. From my normal dating experience I find that sometimes knowing too much is a bad thing, because only an in-person meeting will let you pick up non-verbal clues…that is why I sometimes prefer meeting without knowing TOO much.

  658. Muah says:

    Okay so I have my expectations set at Moderate (was set at substantial when I met my SD) – I also realize what you receive as an allowance depends on how often you can see the SD, etc, etc…

    I don’t want to put a lower amount because I don’t want to ‘screw’ myself out of a higher allowance – You know what I mean? Of course, having it set at moderate could be screwing myself out of a higher amount… The dilemma lol.

    Negotiable I’ve always viewed as ‘I’ll take anything, I need the money’ – and I don’t want to attract cheap, sleazy men or be automatically viewed as easy and/or cheap.

  659. flyR says:

    Muah

    The clintonian answer define “Higher quality SD”

    A higher allowance may well bring more wealthy SD’s but you note your criteria is much broader.

    I think a number of us will write to someone one or two levels above our allowance budget with an introduction, why we liked her profile, a note that is it above what we budgeted and we’ll understand fully if she is not interested. Over 50% of the time there’s a reply that there is interest based on the note and profile.

    I think the answer is to test both and see what works. Be aware that many will set budget ranges in the search option.

  660. flyR says:

    @ Peeps I do not disagree at all with you and your cautious approach . I think it adds value with the serious, long term SD. For the poke and flee gang it is an obstruction.

    Having said that I would hope that you have learned more about your potential SD before the first meet than someone you meet at a party. I think it is also good to set expectations low for the SD in terms of sex on the first meet. However, if the SD has provided a real name and way of verifying his background BEFORE the first meet and it goes especially well including an agreement on the allowance then the decision is yours to make.

    Personally as an SD who is open and encourages verification I resent being put through excessive hoops because she has made some bad choices in the past. Circling back to your opening point I think it is helpful to minimize expectations in a positive way. However, artificially created hoops are not good.

    DANGER “”If we were to sleep once and he wanted to see me again, then yes I’d make sure there is some allowance, but sometimes there are other issues…””” going from zero to some allowance can be a much tougher step so consider it very carefully as you may be leaving yourself with only two options no allowance and new friend or no new friend and no allowance. A middle ground might be letting him know BEFORE that this something special an expression of good faith on your part. The reason for this is that going from free to allowance can be an ego damaging shift for the Pot . Hope that makes sense.

  661. Muah says:

    I would never be able to have a relationship with a man I didn’t like as a person or someone who was disrespectful towards me. Personality and respect are both incredibly important to me! I’ve had several POT SDs (back when I was looking) offer me the allowance I was looking for but I couldn’t do it because we didn’t click personality-wise. Sad day for me when I realized I was far more picky than I imagined myself to be lol.

    I am curious now… Perhaps, an SD could answer this for me :)

    Which attracts a higher quality POT SD: A set allowance or allowance set as negotiable??

  662. peeps says:

    @FlyR

    It’s interesting it’s not that I am a prude (I am not), it’s that my personal safety is #1. if a man can’t understand my need to take ONE meeting to assess if the person is trustworthy, etc…then I don’t want this person around…but you put it correctly. I should have an “angle” about this.

    @muah thanks for the feedback

    Re: allowance, I don’t select it because it’s not the most important thing for me. It really isn’t. Yes I get the time wasters and so forth but I think the exchange, to me, anyway, is not about the money…there has to be something else otherwise it’s too depressing. My caveat is that if a man needs to come to my place (i.e. if he is married), then I do need an allowance.

    For example, I am meeting someone this week who is incredibly attractive, with a great job/income (verified) – and single. If there was chemistry, I would sleep with him, regardless of allowance, yes. I would be a fool not to…:). I am alive afterall…If we were to sleep once and he wanted to see me again, then yes I’d make sure there is some allowance, but sometimes there are other issues…I am also going on dates with ppl in the “real world” and often the SA dates are more exciting because of the taboo element. So money really *isn’t* everything.

    But you really NEVER know until you meet somebody in person…each person and circumstance is different.

  663. Muah says:

    @Peeps
    It definitely takes awhile to find something worthwhile, especially if you are a quality person with standards. However, don’t give up! It took me 5 months to find myself the ideal arrangement and I did “give up” for a month.

    I have plenty of my own obnoxious stories about SDs I’ve met – Just like the (quality) SDs have plenty of obnoxious stories about SBs they’ve met. Lol, it’s tough to believe there are so many shitty people out there – again I blame the ‘bad’ publicity SA receives.

    I have a set allowance on my profile – it’s so incredibly annoying when “SD”s reach out but are not willing/able to offer anywhere near what you are looking for as an allowance. ~ If you want desperate and cheap go to a bar douche bag ~

  664. flyR says:

    @peeps – “come to your place if we feel like it”,.

    I think there’s a better response – Most women have , at some time , met someone at a party, busstop, burger stand, bar etc and ended up spending the night. Might not be the wisest decision in the world but it happens.

    You might turn it into a market point….. I know this is Seeking Arrangement but I really need to be comfortable for someone and thus it is going to take more than a a brief meeting. I also need to process things so patience is a virtue. If you and I are compatible you’ll be well rewarded for your patience.

    It takes it out of “I’m not that kind of girl” discussion. Doesn’t talk about “you ” other that with regard to rewards……

  665. DarkHorseSD says:

    Sounds very commonplace results so far.

  666. peeps says:

    Another interesting experience over the weekend…emailing another POT SD who comes out and says we should meet at _______ and “take as long as we want” and “then come to your place afterwards if we feel like it”…
    At which point I was like, no, sorry it’s not going to happen…I don’t make plans that include “my place” with people I have never met in person…I get it that this site you can have sex very quickly but I am sorry if I have not met you in person I am not going to think of bringing you into my home.

    He got very offended and mad and said that he was just planning to meet for a drink and that he was sure he wasn’t even going to be attracted to me…and said he was no longer interested…he said I was “too high maintenance”.

    Met 3 last week, none worked out. 3 dropped out (1 too weird/too kinky another was a beta senior citizen with no initiative the third this aggressive dude). Meeting 5 this coming week.

  667. Josh says:

    *his perceptiveness in dealing with you in the best way possible.

  668. Josh says:

    @Chitchat

    Say hi to your SD on @Guru’s behalf and tell him that the @Guru approves of his perceptiveness to deal with you in the best we possible.

    Since @flyR is a sub, his SBs require money upfront as a whore to humiliate him.

  669. flyR says:

    Part of it is a marketing problem. What are each of you most comfortable with. Sometimes you keep a pocket full of cookies for the dog as rewards. I am much more comfortable with a single presentation of an allowance but different people have different needs.

    You might talk to him in a very positive way about your feelings while asking for his.

    The other strategy is if the sugar is flowing in adequate amounts perhaps not good to mess with success

  670. DarkHorseSD says:

    Rebecca you are looking for permission to sabotage.

  671. Rebecca says:

    Need a SD’s experience. If you are going on a trip with your SB or spending more than one day with her, do you give a lump sum or small amounts throughout the trip? I am spending the weekend with my SD and he keeps giving small chunks. I’d rather have a lump sum so I don’t have to think or worry about allowance.

  672. Josh says:

    @flyR,

    “You called my offer unfair.”

    I don’t recall, attributing any of your “offer” unfair. Produce my statement.

    I don’t recall saying “dirty ,,,,,, down there” either. Produce my statement along with the context.

  673. flyR says:

    Josh – You might remember that you accused me of misrepresenting a number of things about a year ago. I called your bluff, suggesting we use a couple of SB’s and each put up $10K the SB’s would decide who was correct. The winner would get other persons $8k and the SB’s split $2K . You called my offer unfair.

    The truth is that there are some awesome women on the site – intelligent, good looking, sensually stupendous, doing very good things with their lives. They are or are on paths to be MD’s , Aero engineers, musicians, actresses , teachers, nurses, pilots, and a host of other paths which require intellect and dedication.

    SA is a waypoint, a break from peer dating. They are not hookers and not looking or willing to be treated like one. They are looking for more than a few hundreds on the nightstand and a 60 minute visit…..

    You are missing all of this because you are so strident in your beliefs that all women are a threat to you and perhaps that any woman who would have sex with you is “dirty ,,,,,, down there” to quote a few comments.

  674. Josh says:

    @Struggle,

    Since you have not offered one or more blowjobs, the blog idea would be no more. Thanks for your “dry” try. 😉

  675. DarkHorseSD says:

    Just had a first meet with an SB in her mid thirties look 7-8 yrs older. No interest on my part. She is going to continue to have a very difficult time finding someone to match her standards/offering/expectation.

    I need to shake off the rust and remember how not to spend $70 on burgers and drinks on a poor candidate.

  676. StruggleIsReal says:

    would *only* work

  677. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    I thought about it, but realized that it would okay work as I originally suggested, if you curated it, because I can’t be here every time you are to review all your posts and post them to another blog.
    I actually thought it was kind of a cool idea, because as you always mention that the is a “method to your madness” which implies that you have an agenda to push, and certainly it does seem that you push some here on this blog. I just thought that having a more comprehensive explanation for those who are interested would help promote your agenda and perhaps give a perspective to others that they may not have had before.
    That’s all.
    I just don’t have the time and furthermore, it wouldn’t be my own ideas so I would not feel genuine in publishing/promoting it.

  678. Keo says:

    Afternoon all!

  679. Josh says:

    Of course I could always use “professional” help to do better in various areas in my life. Life is a continuous learning process.

    You need help with acting like a confident man…only if that matters to you.

  680. flyR says:

    Joshie – you really do need some professional help…..

  681. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “I have been off doing fun things.”

    I don’t consider golden showers from your dom’s “golden pussy” to be “fun things”, but hey it’s your body and your self esteem. Who am I to judge what should be fun or what should not.

  682. flyR says:

    Cassie asked:

    1. Where can I turn a daddy to so he understands what a daddy is? It seems most really don’t have a clue.
    2. How long do you chat until you come to an agreement that this is where it’s going?
    I have some that just play games to see what they can get for free or if they can change me.

    I’m exhausted. I want one real person. What’s a good amount of time to give someone if they don’t live near you before you move onto the next hopefully real one?

    CASSIE
    How many times have you tried on shoes with no intention of buying them ?

    One of the first questions for a prospective SD is have you had a prior sugar arrangement?
    How did it go?
    What were the issues you encountered?

    If the answer is no then be cautious and verify that he understands the sugar relationship, is in your broad economic range. This is an area where more women need to take the lead in qualifying the man and also dispelling any thoughts of non sugar, freebies, test flights etc. Understand that just like girls like to try on clothing they have not intent to buy some guys just want to go to dinner with an attractive woman, Guys are not much different , they want to test drive the sports car, go for a demo sail etc.

  683. DarkHorseSD says:

    PS. I agree with nothing else flyr has ever said 😉

    … As far as I know.

  684. DarkHorseSD says:

    “I think SA screws up a lot of things but they do provide a proven vehicle (even if misrepresented) that does work if you are willing to put in the effort and have reasonable expectations.” Me too

  685. a latin opinion says:

    DarkHorseSD says:
    March 15, 2015 at 10:36 am
    Latin: please use extreme caution with any cultural lessons you might take from my comments.

    Lol (-:

  686. flyR says:

    Lot’s of activity , way too much to scroll back more than 6 hours,

    Someone noted ——
    “I don’t know of any guys that are married to a woman who:

    1) Good Looking
    2) “Independent” bringing in equal money as the man
    3) “Cooks and Takes care of the home”.
    4) Pleasant Personality”

    Why would you expect a woman who is contributing half the income and probably working pretty hard to cook and take care of the home rather than sharing the load – probably with some hired help.

    I see a lot of my former MBA students where the wife is making more than they are. A close fiend’s daughter is making in excess of $650k two years out of undergrad and debating if it is worth $1.0 mil to get an MBA.

    Joshie, I see you have been a bad boy since I have been off doing fun things. Is mommy objecting to the taking care of the pile of sticky towels under your computer? In all seriousness you need to do something IRL to dissipate your bitterness and blindness. Y’all making what should be fun something filled with anger, drama and self pity.

    It’s pretty simple. The sugar bowl has many dimensions

    expensive – inexpensive
    fun sex – angry sex
    beauty most important – beauty not most important
    personality most important – does it matter with a gag in place
    great body – fun body all in the eye of the beholder
    nice – angry
    dependent – independent
    short term – long term
    trust – no trust
    pain – no pain
    (there are more)
    natural – ebola suit

    Figure out what you want, make what you are looking for clear, do the search, enjoy the results . If there are no results then you probably have a failure of expectations, searching or execution. Change as required. If you are always whining the problem can usually be found in the mirror.

    I think SA screws up a lot of things but they do provide a proven vehicle (even if misrepresented) that does work if you are willing to put in the effort and have reasonable expectations.

    If some people took the time they spend on the blog to collect aluminum cans on the highway they could significantly upgrade their sugar $ levels

  687. DarkHorseSD says:

    Latin: please use extreme caution with any cultural lessons you might take from my comments.

  688. a latin opinion says:

    Just for the sake of everyone I won’t use funny/cute again, I didn’t know it was coming out as offensive.

  689. Josh says:

    @Struggle

    Your 4 minutes are up. Where is the blog?

  690. a latin opinion says:

    btw @FD I really like that you have keep your promise and always get your point across without running over other people. I do understand that most of women use ironic comments as a way of diminish other people but I don’t do that, when I said something I mean exactly that, and most of the time it will positive, (-;. A huge kiss for you.

    @everyone, I use this blog to learn about the american culture and way you guys interact, when you read my post please remember I’m not from here, sometimes I will use the wrong words to express my self, I’m learning and trying to improve BUT PLEASE believe me if I have a negative thing to say I keep to my self, I try to post in a POSITIVE way, WILL BE VERY DISRESPECTFUL FROM ME TO COME AND TRY TO BE OFFENSIVE WHEN I DON’T EVEN KNOW HOW TO EXPRESS MY SELF PERFECTLY IN YOUR LANGUAGE.

    I love debate, learn about cultures and improve my self every day, that’s it.

  691. DarkHorseSD says:

    The above is of course done once she is in her mid forties and all of her kids are over 15.

  692. DarkHorseSD says:

    @fundude, that’s right…we were listing the ways a woman could be independent.

    Ones wife could also go on SA and of course collect 1200 per meet 6 times a week from a stable of SDs.

    The possibilities…

  693. a latin opinion says:

    FunDude says:
    March 15, 2015 at 7:25 am
    @Josh

    Latina finds you post “funny” because it actually has standards which the vast majority of women would be unable to meet, including Latina.

    (-: No papi, first I don’t try to fit nobody “standards”, the only standards I care about are my owns. Second I believe everyone have the right to have their own standards, ergo I don’t have any problem with Josh having his. (I was asking for his opinion, I wasn’t trying to know who fit/suit him).

    “That is the female’s passive aggressive response towards a man with standards. They “pretend” to care about what you want but then DEMAND you take whatever they give you.”

    I have seen this behavior and I have never support it/incentive it, not in real life and not in here. I always go with “Work with what made you feel/look/be good with your self in other to be able to made other people happy”. I don’t believe that any person should “demand” being taken, I think every person should “work to get” whatever they want.

    “Latina is a single mother in her 30s with probably no job prospects. She couldn’t meet any of those “standards”.”

    You are right, I don’t see any shame in being a single mother in my 30s, I’m actually quite a happy person (-;

    “Therefore, it is “funny” as a passive aggressive comment towards you.”

    Wrong, when I said funny I mean funny/cute as I regularly say about WHATEVER comment I particularly like/enjoy, I meant to flatter that person no to diminish him/her (-:

    Here you have some examples:

    a latin opinion says:
    March 14, 2015 at 10:57 pm
    DarkHorseSD says:
    March 14, 2015 at 10:25 pm
    2b. Avoid being avoided for being a user by non-users by not being a user.

    @DH you are funny I like you.

    a latin opinion says:
    March 12, 2015 at 11:11 pm
    Lol @dh you are cute!

    a latin opinion says:
    March 6, 2015 at 4:54 pm
    lol @josh you are funny, I don’t know but in my case, I will always have a plan B, not just for my man, also friends or whoever ask me to cook or do something for them.

    a latin opinion says:
    February 13, 2015 at 2:12 pm
    Lol you are fun Sir!

    Please @Ygbkm #forgiveandforget

    “Ergo, she will be frustrated by the fact that you have applied standards to a woman. In her ideal world, a 6 foot, physically fit, rich, attractive man will “sweep her off her feet” without any demands/standards on his part. He will just throw money at her because she is “fabulous”.”

    Wrong again, I’m not frustrated or anything close, I’m not even in the game anymore, in this moment of my life I don’t need a man, so I just have friends that respect me and I keep them until that changes. And about the money being a requisite for me to be with a man/me wanting them to throw money at me, you are again wrong, everything I have done, I have with my own efforts/work, what I ask for a guy are thing a lot more important than, high, fitness, money and attractiveness. (-:

  694. Josh says:

    @FunDude,

    The male spokespeople in this video were not articulate enough. This is a big challenge. Women are learning in college to debate with facts are figures, like the women in the video were doing. The men were talking in generalities.

  695. FunDude says:

    Interesting debate about how men are treated poorly in the UK

    {{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97k8SNnQkgY}}

  696. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    Latina finds you post “funny” because it actually has standards which the vast majority of women would be unable to meet, including Latina.

    That is the female’s passive aggressive response towards a man with standards. They “pretend” to care about what you want but then DEMAND you take whatever they give you.

    Latina is a single mother in her 30s with probably no job prospects. She couldn’t meet any of those “standards”. Therefore, it is “funny” as a passive aggressive comment towards you.

    Ergo, she will be frustrated by the fact that you have applied standards to a woman. In her ideal world, a 6 foot, physically fit, rich, attractive man will “sweep her off her feet” without any demands/standards on his part. He will just throw money at her because she is “fabulous”.

    You already know this Josh.

  697. FunDude says:

    @DarkHorse

    Then she would be independent.

    The question that I have:

    How many ATTRACTIVE, thin, “independent” women are there these days?

    I venture to say VERY FEW.

  698. DarkHorseSD says:

    Lainey says:
    March 14, 2015 at 11:53 pm
    @FunDude NOT ALL housewives are dependent on their husbands money, ESPECIALLY if she comes from money or built her career so that she did not have to actively be involved by the time she decided to stay home with their children.
    xxxxxxxx
    Or like say she owns a chain of brothels in several state capitols.

  699. Ken_iBeYours says:

    This will be fun !

  700. a latin opinion says:

    Josh says:
    March 14, 2015 at 11:39 pm
    @latin

    “@josh you are funny Josh”

    Why did you ask the question? I don’t see anything “funny” in my post.

    I Asked you because as I said several times, I enjoy this blog and I have my favorities bloggers, you are one of them and I was trying to know you view on that issue.

    I said “funny” because I really like that you took the time to explain me in detail what you think. I found it really cute (-:
    I like when a man do that, like if I have you close and I ask you something and you take your time and explain me everything in detail I will tell you “you are funny/cute” and I will kiss you.

  701. Lainey says:

    @FunDude NOT ALL housewives are dependent on their husbands money, ESPECIALLY if she comes from money or built her career so that she did not have to actively be involved by the time she decided to stay home with their children.

  702. Josh says:

    @latin

    “@josh you are funny Josh”

    Why did you ask the question? I don’t see anything “funny” in my post.

  703. a latin opinion says:

    @josh you are funny Josh, that’s what I love you Lol

  704. Josh says:

    *10. Prefer to go to open marriage instead of getting divorce.

  705. Josh says:

    @latin,

    The answer to your question is not straightforward. There are a lot of caveats.

    Ideal scenario for me:

    1. A college educated woman with genuine disinterest in working outside the house. Working away from their little projects is a nonsense women have taken upon themselves.
    2. Willing to get pregnant several times in her 20s.
    3. Enjoys raising children and housework. DOES NOT expect me to do any of the children and housework, except when she is sick, really tired, or just wants to get a periodic break.
    4. Willing and able to control sabotage.
    5. Willing and able to keep her Matrix at bay.
    6. Totally hates the idea of divorce. This kind of woman is very costly in divorce since she does not work outside of the house.
    7. Once the children are grown-up takes up some kind of vocation to keep her occupied so she does not rape my mind as frequently.
    8. I will move to a non-community property state, and have a prenup signed.
    9. The marriage will not be based on “love”. It would be based on decent level of chemistry from both sides.
    10. Prefer to go to open marriage of getting divorce.
    11. If there is divorce, make it happen amicably for the sake of children.

    In the current legal context:

    1. A college educated woman in a high money-making degree, and the ability to secure and maintain jobs.
    2. Willing to get pregnant a couple of time her 20s, and possibly 30s if she is properly balancing her little projects along with her job. She DOES NOT have the option to turn into stay-at-home mom. Sorry!!!
    3. Enjoys raising children and housework. We share children and housework with the help of babysitters, nannies, and house-workers.
    4. Willing and able to control sabotage.
    5. Willing and able to keep her Matrix at bay.
    6. Totally hates the idea of divorce. If we do get divorce, she is not going to cost me as much since she is earning a living.
    7. Once the children are grown-up, she can go full-fledged with her job to keep her occupied so she does not rape my mind as frequently.
    8. I will prefer to move to a non-community property state, and have a prenup signed.
    9. The marriage will not be based on “love”. It would be based on decent level of chemistry from both sides.
    10. Prefer to go to open marriage of getting divorce.
    11. If there is divorce, make it happen amicably for the sake of children.

  706. a latin opinion says:

    @struggles that’s a difficult question, I don’t need a guy anymore in the traditional sense, so I struggle a little bit to hang out with guys.

    I have one now, he is behaving, (in all aspects) and he listen! Lol if he doesn’t mess it up we can maybe keep our friendship for sometime.

  707. a latin opinion says:

    @josh if you were to marriage (will all know you won’t/don’t like) will you be ok with the woman putting less way money on the table but yet tacking care of the house/family?

  708. a latin opinion says:

    DarkHorseSD says:
    March 14, 2015 at 10:25 pm
    2b. Avoid being avoided for being a user by non-users by not being a user.

    @DH you are funny I like you.

  709. DarkHorseSD says:

    2b. Avoid being avoided for being a user by non-users by not being a user.

  710. DarkHorseSD says:

    Cassie asked:

    1. Where can I turn a daddy to so he understands what a daddy is? It seems most really don’t have a clue.
    2. How long do you chat until you come to an agreement that this is where it’s going?
    I have some that just play games to see what they can get for free or if they can change me.

    I’m exhausted. I want one real person. What’s a good amount of time to give someone if they don’t live near you before you move onto the next hopefully real one?

    xxxxxxx

    1. Educating is a fruitless and thankless endeavor almost all of the time for almost everyone. If you have a special gift for it, try it.

    2. Billy Joel would end his concerts by saying to the audience “Don’t take any shit from anybody.” Try that. Avoid users by walking away as soon as you get that vibe. Accept small losses on the way to your big success.

  711. Josh says:

    @FlyBoy

    You remind me of another blogger who used to post a few months ago. He used to alternate between going in circles and chest thumping, just like you.

  712. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh,

    I am pretty confident that I have good reading comprehension skills.

    I am pretty confident that @DarkHorseSD is very literary, and highly educated.

    If he has questioned your assertions, then I am doubly sure that you’re masturbating through text.

    Yes Josh, he questioned my “assertions”, therefore I am masturbating through text!!!!!!!!!

    lol!!

    Thank you for the laughter! I haven’t been feeling well today.

    Cheers :)

  713. Josh says:

    I am pretty confident that I have good reading comprehension skills.

    I am pretty confident that @DarkHorseSD is very literary, and highly educated.

    If he has questioned your assertions, then I am doubly sure that you’re masturbating through text.

  714. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh,

    If you continue to post your idiotic textual masturbation then no one is going to understand what you “meant”. You continue to go in circles, without delivering any measurable value. THAT is a female domain.

    Did you lose your reading comprehension in the divorce rape?

    You sad little thing .. :(

  715. Josh says:

    @FlyBoy

    If you continue to post your idiotic textual masturbation then no one is going to understand what you “meant”. You continue to go in circles, without delivering any measurable value. THAT is a female domain.

    Write clearly, and be understood the first time around, and occasionally within two attempts.

    I wonder which field you made your money in. I guess similar clients who pay @flyR for his worthless “services”?

  716. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh,

    @DarkHorseSD

    “Because only the flat and dry will be offended.”

    THAT and the full-of-shit would be offended.

    You are absolutely right 😉

    Ironic, don’t you think!!! lol

    Cheers :)

  717. FlyBoy says:

    @VitesseSD

    @Flyboy

    If a pot SB asked me about my net worth or demanded in any way to know what “tier” I am she’d find herself kicked to the curb in a fraction of a second.

    Who said anything about net worth?????? I advised the SB to ask for an allowance. Women do not understand net worth. They have no idea what a million dollars is let alone ten or fifty million. IRL they think about security, and in the bowl they think about the allowance. It’s that binary!!! As a full grown man you should know this by now!!! No?!!!!

    @VitesseSD,

    Every SD on here is saying they’re capable of supporting a SB, whether there is any truth to the statement or not.

    While there is nothing wrong with checking to see if we’re on the same page in terms of expectations, anything more is rude as hell and stupid to boot. You’ll rarely get a truthful answer, the poor will lie and say they are rich, those who are reasonably successful will say so, and the wealthy will generally not admit to what extent.

    Exactly!!! Therefore the best approach is to go ahead and ask for the allowance. Yes??? lol

    @VitesseSD,

    Yes SBs can filter SDs by asking about their bank balance, but dont kid yourself into believing its an effective filter of anything but tolerance for low class behavior.

    ha ha! Again no one brought up the question of the bank balance except YOU. Sigh ……

    Cheers :)

  718. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “@Josh
    Thank you :) I will get to it in the next few days, I hope.”

    Hmm, I had thought that it took 4 minutes, no?

  719. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    How was dress shopping?
    Wishing you luck with all the things you have going on!

    @Josh
    Thank you :) I will get to it in the next few days, I hope.

  720. StruggleIsReal says:

    @DarkHorse @FlyBoy
    Truth. When I walk around with a wet pussy, it is because I am aroused by my man. Not because my pussy is just some wet juicy thing for all. Au contraire.
    Also, I may be in my fertile time and possibly ovulating. It’s science. It’s in the thing. Look it up.

    Also, I have zero qualms with a POT asking about my breast size, shape etc. Some men like smaller and more perky. Some like the implant look. Some love really large natural breasts. etc etc
    I have no problem specifying in which range I fall in that regard.

  721. FlyBoy says:

    @DarkHorseSD,

    So flyboy every real sd should be asking upfront clearly how big are your tits and how wet is your c u n t , right? Because only the flat and dry will be offended.

    It looks like my post have induced a full mental breakdown lol

    It’s rude to ask a strange woman about the size of her tits. Also, it’s irrational since you can see her picture or ask for it.

    The “c u n t” becomes wet in the presence of a real man. Asking a strange woman about her state of wetness in a email is a deranged act!!!!

    Hopefully when you simmer down you would write something sensible.

    @DarkHorseSD again :(

    The men I know who are really rich…I mean like 10-50X what I am, DONT do what flyboy says – but my circle is from older established money with real social connections.

    Maybe flyboy is right about a contingent of new money flashy “bridge and tunnel” equivalent.

    Alas no luck, it’s the same nonsense as before.

    Of course rich men do not do what I wrote in my post lol. The post was answering a sugar BABY on how to get an allowance.

    OK, OK I get it. You got all bent out of shape because I mentioned the jet. I did this to explain to SBs that the range of allowances on SA does not *scare* a real SD, and to put things in perspective , I gave that example. Would it have been better to use a yacht instead of the jet?!!

    And by the way here is an entry level jet:
    []http://tinyurl.com/kxfm73j[]

    This beauty can be had for 2.5M. If 2.5M is “flashy”, new money, blah blah blah, then OK … whatever. I really am not going to argue with the middle class about what is gaudy and what isn’t.

    @DarkHorseSD,

    Ok…I really need help on this…

    SB asks right off what is my monthly allowance.

    I want to reply that my maximum possible allowance exc