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5 Lessons From My First Year of Sugar
  • Posted Sep 30, 2014

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My first year in the Sugar world was a whirlwind. I went on dates, got pampered, met men I liked and some, I did not. Here are some of the things I discovered while navigating this land of champagne, caviar, and seduction. Entering the Sugar Bowl is hard without a map, so let these tips be your guide to Sugaring the proper way.

Money, Money, Money

Cash is not the be all end all, and buying those new pair of Givenchy boots won’t pay the bills. You should not allow the person who has the higher income to have all the power in the Sugar relationship. Respect yourself first.

Independence

I met certain Sugar Babies who got into Sugar as their only source of income. They needed to get out of debt and fast. Desperation won’t lead you down the right path. You should have a real job, so you can really support yourself. Sugar should be a little extra something sweet. It’s like getting dessert at the end of a fabulous meal. You don’t need it, but it finishes your night on a happier note.

Be Selective

Don’t jump into an arrangement with someone based on income alone. You should know who you are and what you want out of a man. Turning down someone who doesn’t meet your needs, is better for you in the long run. You have to be attracted to the guy you go out with on some level, or there won’t be any chemistry.

Beware the Married Man or…Gasp, Feelings!

Try to not develop feelings.  This can be a tough pill to swallow, but most men on SeekingArrangement are not looking for a long-term relationship. Many times guys are also married. Chances are, he won’t leave his wife for you. Yes, there are outliers, just as in any situation, but try and guard your heart, not wear it on your sleeve.

Deal or No Deal

A Sugar Baby must always know how to negotiate. If you want something in life, you’re gonna have to ask for it. Sometimes, you even have to spell out exactly what you want. Explain to your POT why you are worth it, and describe what you will bring to the table. Be comfortable with yourself, and the rest will fall into place.

Sugar can be the sweetest place on Earth. Sometimes, a gal just needs a manual to help her out.

What are some tips you have for newbies to Sugar? 

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1,365 Responses to “5 Lessons From My First Year of Sugar”

  1. Anonymous says:

    I use a math question and expect a human answer to it. Weeds out fake profiles. Some guys text and give say things like 700 just to meet, trust me-they are fake, they will even play along, texting they will meet you up and not show up. I know the whole time its a game because they didn’t answer the math question. Let’s keep it simple and don’t be fooled and listen to your intuition.

  2. RileyW says:

    Has anyone had experience with a sexual skype session? I was paid, but now worried it was some type of scam! I just received a second message from a different user on this site with similar phrasing as the first message with the person i had a skype session with..really freaking out over here

    • DT says:

      Clearly it is the same person. If that makes you uncomfortable, call them out on it. Blatantly say to them, this message sounds very similar to one I received from another person. Are you that person? If they say no, so what, you know they’re lying. That lie would be enough info for me. I’d cut it off.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Does the site also offer women that are sugar mommas? I am divorced but previously was a stay at home dad and miss the lifestyle. I would like a woman that was the primary bread winner.

  4. Alex says:

    Im seeking cougar that we can enjoy each other. I like a woman a bit dominant and that would enjoy helping me get my business off the ground that is ever open minded. Text . 4.1.5. 9.6.6. 6.6.6.0.

  5. Dave says:

    I found SA to be a good site, like every internet site you have to comb thru bs, but you do find good profiles, my only problem is the scam artists aka sugar babies that are on the site and after reporting them the administration didn’t do anything.

    So how not to get scammed:

    Some girl might bring a friend and if you are not careful and don’t check their ID’s, they might scam you for money stating that they are under aged! always check ID!!!

    Some girls ask for the money upfront to get beautiful for a meeting and you will never see them.
    Some girls are just to have a expensive dinner with you and you will never see them again.

  6. Anonymous says:

    I have a couple of question about the sugaring. Most and foremost these questions are important because of the lifestyle. They are regarding the SB personal life.
    Question #1:
    what if the sugar baby is married? should she post that in the bio or tell the SD? Should that be an important thing to mention or just hide it and say you are single? should the SB mention this do her husband?

    #2: what about boyfriends? They don’t give you any allowance but you do love them. should they know? would that count as cheating?

    #3: If in case at some point during the SB/SD experience. Did the SB move out to have her own place and paid for by her SD? Did the SB live with her parents? or her husband or her boyfriend…. does moving out to have your own place helped out?

    I would greatly appreciate this information. Mostly because i do have a current boyfriend and i also want to start sugaring. we do not live together, but we talked about it. I think if someone who started in this lifestyle having a boyfriend or being married. Do you have any advice? Any experience on this matter and the outcome? Thank you.

    • Rick says:

      If you and your BF are OK with you sugaring, then I don’t see it as a problem. You should probably tell your SD, that you have a BF, at least say you will be doing regular dating.

      My experience is that when everyone is honest about it, it’s not a problem. It’s when the BF or SD get surprised that there are problems. But I never expected my SB to be monogamous. It’s an arrangement, not a marriage.

  7. Anonymous says:

    I’ve met some very interesting people here in Phoenix Scottsdale Paradise Valley ,Glendale. my experience was actually really good. I’m a California girl and I’m not from here and I’ve seen places and every part of the valley and have been well taken care of. no one has tried to stock me or make me feel uncomfortable just gentleman.

  8. Littlekittycat says:

    Lesson at 20 years old. Don’t ever settle or put up with a rude guy.
    I met guy on here who would give me $2800 a month which meant looking good, hanging out with him all the time, no social life. You can’t grow being smothered by a guy especially for $2800 a month. He was fun we traveled ate out at many great restaurants but he was a horny pigrat that would hit on anything that would move.

    I dumped him found out he was cheating on me with 4 other girls and had a secret girlfriend who he dumped but still paid her and had sex with her. She didn’t know he was in a relationship.

    Be careful on this site and other site similar a lot of liars and listen to your gut.

    • Sweetie says:

      Hi Kitty are you from the Canada area or Florida? I’m having feeling that this might be happening to me but not 100% sure

  9. Does asking for slacking backing at this point in time look bad?

  10. Valentina says:

    I have been a member on this website for over 5 years off and on, compared to Ashleymadison.. this website is NOT a outlet for milking men to pay the bill, the second year this website was up they emailed me and asked if id do a anonymous interview for a documentary about the new fad. Well off mature older men seeking younger woman to have a ongoing arrangement with.. i turned it down but now, it was my biggest regret.. Ive had nothing but amazing experiences from this website, even if we could not find a common ground and continue with ongoing.. the few first dates and encounters are still memorable. I’ve Never had Met Anyone Disrespectful, or Aggressive or Vulgar, or meeting with Alternative Motives and hidden agenda (like the guys from ashleymadison they put on a Fake act and pretend that they are genuinely seeking a ongoing arrangement. but they are just seeking sex, they have no morals or values or even self respect.. they grow tired of traditional dating nor do they even know what pampering is??..

    on the other hand ever man i’ve met from SeekingArrangement has Been Refined, Respectable, Fair, Honest and willing to take the time to get one another, connect and truly establish a genuine bond, without sex involved. and stilling offering allowance and gift on every date bi weekly allowance or monthly up front.. its not all razzle dazzle, You must be honest and in search of ” The Ideal Guy” not multiple sugardaddies giving you allowances dating multiple guys at once.. These types of men do their homework the same way you see what to expect before you even message them or they message you!… its certainly not easy to find someone you get along with, have a mutual attraction to, and can agree to same expectations.. you just need to find what works for you, there are more single, than attached or Married on this site.. but thats good to know and see, but as for my self i’m a small business owner and single mother. Majority of the men on this Site Travel for work, or would like someone with the luxury of meeting anywhere they ask when ever they are free. But there are also men who lie and lure in younger women to see how Naive they are.. They start by offering crazy amount of allowance, but bring nothing to help out with on first meet or first few meets, and they also try to have sex.. promise you they will give allowance when hes paid.. Dont fall For those Types, or Younger Guy Whos Lying about his income to pick up chicks but has nothing to offer… Trust is earned or temporarily bought and to whosoever reading this ..

    sugar daddy dating is a totally different world.. at first u feel like what your seeking is imaginary or unrealistic.. until you finally meet someone who understanding, welcoming, laid back and down to earth, up front, honest and charming.. he might not sweep u off your feet.. but he is much more mature, hes far more established and wise and is someone to look up to for advice in life, as a mentor, a friend, a life coach, this is someone who is investing in you, helping you by giving you the tools you need to better your self in life .

    Older men Dont date younger woman just to look cool, or roll around in the sac… hes not a item or a credit card or wallet to pay for everything for you. He is a person who genuinely wants to be there for u in anyway he can despite his hectic lifestyle or schedule.. hes somebody who gets off from giving.. someone who sees the worth in yourself, and constantly reminds it to you..
    hes not looking to help save you as if u were homeless on the streets, you cant feed him sob stories, or pretend ur behind on bills for money.. you dont milk him with pitty.. he must see your value, let him know your worth.. personal goals, accomplishments, personal projects, future plans and goals, business idea and investments. hobbies. and network… your rich from the people you know and what they are known for, networking is the key.

  11. Kbaby says:

    @sunspot Do not do it ! I did and I so regretted it! Im a big girl so I didn’t hate myself but I definitely felt shitty! men know what they want and we should too! (happened 2 years ago)

  12. Kerrahbaby says:

    Its hard finding a daddy =( ! I am an approacher, I have a job, car, college, no kids, I’m not a bimbo lol! geez what does a girl have to do !

  13. Maan says:

    Long blog, tired after getting to 20% on the scroll bar.
    I tried two SB so far, which did not scammed me :) 2 scams on Philipina passports and I was done with that.
    2 I mentioned were different times, one was too short like a 3 months period while ther is more then half a year, problem is both cases they take the liberty to take advantage of shyness (maybe) :)
    My problem is I dont lie much, specially with girls. I have been straight in my offers, only offer what I can sustain for a long time.
    But these girls dont seem to understand that if a guy with a pretty wife is hunting out for sugar, he really needs sugar and all those things he cant get from a old traditional kind of relation.
    Where there is not much fun, there cant be so called chemistry. I am still confused on this site as most of the time, i am in an awful position where my expenses doubles or mostly triples out then a regular arrangement as country where I stay is empty from SBs so I have to either bring them here then put them in a 7 star so they feel pampered and taken care of :)
    Or fly out then get a nice hotel there so they can feel pampered etc. Not really a complain, I do try to suggest that I can just bring SB to my country and get n Employment arranged with accommodation etc all taken care of, so far no luck. Any advise?
    I am still confused with this site, though 2 experiences proves that there can be possible SBs out there who are really into it. But these 2 were after wasting a lot of time on stupid messages from many many where mostly still ask for higher then they specify in their profiles or just starts with mother dying BS right from the second day till u send them some small bucks to disappear.

    • Lei says:

      Hey there Maan! You might be interested to give us a try. Seems to me that we are both looking for a mutually beneficial relationship with chemistry.

  14. CuriousSugar says:

    Stay away from the guys who want “trial runs” (i.e. have sex on the first date or several times and leave you empty handed). They are the ones who aren’t here for a proper arrangement but just for free sex. They tend to prey on desperate women. Don’t give in. Don’t fall for false promises. Don’t take any IOUs. For me, it’s mutually beneficial right off the bat, which means a couple dinner dates to get to know each other (where usually there’s no money my way and no sex his way, just a nice meal covered by him). Then, we discuss the arrangement over the phone or email afterwards, and never have to discuss it again. After that, I’m never left empty handed and we both get what we need. It’s not always sex every time, but I know I am taken care of regardless. And if he has to cancel, I am still taken care of.

  15. Sunspot says:

    I have a guy who is offering me $300 per overnight twice to four times a month. He doesn’t do monthly allowances and I asked him if the first meeting could be just a chance to meet each other without sex, and then we’d move forward from there. He said absolutely not. Is this guy worth my time? Is he just looking for an escort?

    • Anonymous says:

      Why not? Just make sure you can spend a little time with him first. Make sure you feel safe. The rest is up to you.

    • Alternatedating says:

      If you think he is a good fit for what you’re looking for based on his profile and email exchange, why not ask him to a no expectations lunch where neither of you are expecting anything. That seems like a good chance to get to know each other to the degree where you’re comfortable. Then you can decide whether you want to go forward with him.

  16. Calina K says:

    @Josh
    All these comments are just so interesting and fun to read for a break from my work 😛
    Will catch all the story up at the newest blog topic later 😉

  17. Chana R says:

    I have been having a lot of men interested in me and taking me out. The thing is, I’m still uncertain how to broach the subject of the “arrangement”. As a naturally submissive female, I had one SD tell me what he would offer, and that helped. Some of the others I really like I cannot seem to get them to make an offer, yet they keep wanting to get very sexy. I just want to establish clear boundaries and ensure that we are on the same page before I go that route…..Any suggestions how to broach the subject without being icky about it?

    • Lulu says:

      Chana R – I’m in the same boat you are in right now. How did you get round the icky ‘arrangement’ convo?? The main daddy that wants to see me (intimately) is twice my age. He’s nice and all but I’m having a hard time with the idea of actually going that far with him. Does it get easier?

  18. Josh says:

    Hello folks. All the regulars post on the newest blog topics. Head over there and post your questions and comments.

  19. Nikki says:

    2Aria: I know what you mean! I’m having the same issue. I feel like unless I go to one of the events SA hosts that I won’t have a chance.

  20. petitenclassy says:

    I may be quite naïve with this one, but joining a site like this is bound to be littered with the odd fruitcake etc.
    I consider myself to be an intelligent woman with good common sense, so hopefully, alarm bells will ring if the SD is a player or has ulterior motives.
    The clue is in the title…SEEKING ARRANGEMENT! Personally, getting a new pair of shoes is not the highest item on my list. Finding a nice, respectful guy, who has decent values and a shared interest or three is.
    I agree with know your worth. Most SD’s know theirs, the majority are in business and have to, so as a business arrangement, it would be silly to just take the first offer on the table. I know I am priceless:) xx

  21. Aria says:

    @Curly225 I think I need a mentor as well.

  22. Aria says:

    I’ve been on SA for almost 4 months and have yet to go on a date with a pot. I don’t know what the issue is. I’ve messaged a few people on here and those who do reply, live too far or express they aren’t interested in black women. I’m beginning to get a bit agitated because I don’t know what else to do to start this.

  23. curly225 says:

    I’m newish here and I’m not sure my profile is the best it could be, anyone here willing to help me with writing a good profile? Or being a mentor to a new SB?

  24. Lea75 says:

    I am new here. I have heard of SD/SB before but the Sb I had met were a turn of to me generally because of the attitudes they had. I have alot to learn and am at a point in my life that I crave a gentleman in my life to treat me like a lady. I would apreciate someone taking a gander at my page and giving me any pointers they feel might help me. For the first time in my like, I am exploring my sexuality and the idea of the sugar world is a huge turn-on to me. I was raised with heavy Southern Baptist and Mormon influences, and so have had to overcome alot of forced guilt about my body and sexuality. I have achieved inner happiness and emotional stability finally and understand the concept of Sugar so much more now that when I was in my 20’s and weighed down with other people’s bigotry and hypocrisy. The freedom this life provides is the biggest draw for me. I would really benifit from a sugar mentor tho… someone that can tell me how to avoid the pitfalls and mistakes…

  25. OhReally says:

    It is so intriguing to see responses/complaints regarding the value of SB when similar concerns could be raised regarding the quality of “Sugar” (not so sweet) Daddies on this site… hmmm

  26. Nyelah says:

    Hi! This is a whole new world to me. I joined the site after watching a special on tv about it and it made me curious. I’ve now been on for about 2wks and I don’t even know where to start. I’ve tried reading through most of the comments on this blog, which are quite interesting. Can anyone give me feedback on my profile and give me some pointers as a starter?

  27. ArchiGrad says:

    I’m relatively new to the site, but what I’ve discovered is that it is extremely important to be selective, as the article stipulates. While each SB comes from a different situation, and may be more or less in need of the financial assistance that an SD can provide, your safety is paramount. Build trust in whatever way you can via the Internet, and always meet in public first. Disregard anyone who doesn’t make the effort to make you feel safe before you meet them.

    TLDR: You can’t make money anymore if someone murders you and leaves your body in a cornfield.

  28. joy says:

    i dont think that the most man here are realy whant a “arrangement” the most looking for free sex here and the other whant have a escort.

    Meinten Sie: das sind meine erfahrungen auf dieser seite
    these are my experiences to recast page

    im not long here buts what i feeling for it

    very sad

    • Princessa says:

      This pretty much sums up my experience on SA. No real Daddies just guys looking for an easy lay and as soon as they find out I’m not game they disappear.

  29. AmberCoal says:

    loved this! i agree, a woman should rely on herself for income – sugar is just like a nice dessert on top :-)

  30. CuriousSugar says:

    So what about these scenarios I’ve encountered recently on here:

    1) The “pizza and a booty call” guy – literally, he wants a booty call and all he’s offering is pizza? yes, he exists. I politely said “not interested” and he changed his username

    2) The “quick shag and I’ll pay you $$$s if you meet me right now at [fill in with dodgy no-tell motel name somewhere not near my home] then he doesn’t show up because he “left his phone on the roof of his car” … again, I politely told him no thanks

    3) Or the most recent: a very nice handsome man who is “new to SB / SD relationships” and not at all sure how this all works. So he asks me to coach him, help him figure out what to do. Bit weird for me, as I’ve been on here a while. But I agree to go to dinner. And then another dinner. And then he invites me for a third dinner. We haven’t gone yet to the third dinner, and I did the math and realized that this is costing me far more money and time than I’m receiving. In fact, there’s been no exchange of money (or bodily fluids, thankfully). I’m not here to date for dinner, but I don’t think he understands that. We discussed an allowance, but no time frame. I’m always for the mutually beneficial right off the bat; I do not like having to play guessing games or do all the work and leave empty handed. So do I continue with the third date? Or politely kick him to the curb? I actually like him and he turns me on, but he hasn’t made the first move and I’m not about to until my needs are more of a reality (although the man is a dish and I would love to go further). Dinner is nice, but if I wanted just dinner and chit chat, I’d go on Match.

    4) and then there’s the ones who send endless emails…. all talk no action. Unless they actually set up a time and date to meet, I just stop replying. Not here for mindless chit chat.

    5) The Constant Complainers / the Skeptics / the Jaded / the Baggage Handlers – I think these are the worst guys. All are married, all have let themselves be jilted / ripped off / led on and all have tons of marital baggage. I’m not into pity sex, so again I just politely decline their offers. I’m not a therapist. No amount of money will make me a therapist. They should probably just pay for a therapist.

    Thankfully I’ve had some really amazing relationships on here, which set the bar and are the yard sticks for anything subsequent. So how do you ladies deal with these types of guys?

  31. SMartinez says:

    There are a lot of things I would add to this, but here are the key ones:

    1) Always meet in public for your initial get together and make sure a third party knows where you are and when they should expect to hear from you.

    2) Try to find a friend, internet buddy or someone else you can talk to about your trials, tribulations, joys and concerns relating to sugar. Feeling isolated is dangerous.

    3) Most people aren’t on the site for what they’re supposed to be on the site for on both sides. Pay attention to patterns and keywords so you can spot who is looking for a one night stand and who, “feels weird” about an allowance. Treating you to meals and events isn’t a sugar arrangement…that’s how normal dating works.

    4) Try to meet within a week of initial contact. People can present themselves however they want in words. You need to see their faces and gauge chemistry in person.

    5) Anyone who isn’t concerned with safe sex with you wasn’t concerned about it with the last girl or the girl before that. Consider that before you consider risking your health.

    6) Walk away from anyone that doesn’t understand this dynamic. They are a waste of your time.

    7) Be prepared for it to take a really long time. It make take a year or more to find the right Daddy for you (unless you don’t care about what happens when you find the wrong ones). If you are patient, you can meet someone who will be a positive force in your life for a long time.

    8) NEVER sell yourself for any price. If you wouldn’t date him or sleep with him without money being involved, DO NOT do it. No amount of money is worth your self respect and being able to look yourself in the eye with pride is priceless.

  32. Heathyr says:

    Thank you for this. It really helped a lot.

  33. Brunette says:

    My curiosity brought me on this website. Can someone share their experience/stories with me? In my country the most people pay separate on a date and there is no question of a present of something like that because people may see you as a golddigger!!!

  34. Josh says:

    @Lia and @Nikki

    The trend here is to respond to questions in the latest blog thread. So post your questions in the LA rouge party article.

  35. Nikki says:

    I have yet to have my first sugar daddy experience and I would love to learn more and see what I am doing wrong or not saying to where it hasn’t happened yet. It would be super helpful! That and to meet other SBs in my area that can help.

  36. Lia says:

    I would never hesitate to answer “What do you bring to the table”, as I would ask the same thing of a SD. Yes, you have money. And? Can you hold my respect, my interest, etc? Will I look forward to seeing you? Will the hours together zip by and leave me craving you later? If not, then an arrangement is simply little more than a business transaction. Anyone can do that. A happy SB/SD arrangement has to be more…at least for me, IMHO.

  37. Rachel SB says:

    Did I see NC Gent on here? Oh my. My heart is now racing!

  38. DorkyGuy says:

    Lol, click Blog at the top of this page. The new topic is “LA Rouge Party Recap”. Folks are cavorting in the comments section of that blog topic. Every time a new topic is posted, we move to the new one.

  39. Alttlbrd says:

    @DorkyGuy where would I find that blog? (I noticed the derailment, I was hoping to be a bit of a break in the action. lol)

  40. DorkyGuy says:

    Alttlbrd, the conversation has moved to the new blog topic. You will get a lot of good input if you post your question there where people will see it. Pay attention to SugarySpicy… she gives great SB advice!

  41. Alttlbrd says:

    I have a legit question:

    I’m seriously new to this, and I was wondering if any of you experienced SB had any advice to stand out in the 12:1 ratio/odds. I’ve sent a few messages, and all I’ve gotten are messages from people wanting to rush into things. How do you compete/ get your profile noticed?

  42. Josh says:
    October 8, 2014 at 5:22 pm
    @LegalBarbie28

    “Lol it’s all good Josh. You’re such a jackass on this blog that I gotta give you a hard time when I can
    Hey, they say it takes one to know one right? Lol”

    That’s NOT a good enough reason to join vicious attacks against me. I never called or even thought of you as a “jackass.” I actually though of you as newly mnted lawyer for reasons mentioned above. So thinking of me as a jackass is unfortunate.

    But freedom of thought is a beautiful thing.

    Sweetie I never joined in on any attack against you, especially not viscious. lol. The fact that you could even describe some of the comments made about you as “vicious attacks” shows that you start it, dish it, but are not able to take it. Now that sir is what is unfortunate. You have taken it upon yourself to criticize multiple things about me as well as others on this blog without making the smart decision to educate yourself before you make such assertions. . It doesn’t feel so good to be “attacked” now does it? Well You’ve done it to almost every single person on this blog but as soon as I say something reasonably correct about yourself, you get butt hurt! Lol

    I have listened to you, you have come up with some good advice, and some of it….I have taken! But you do appear to be a jackass even to those who respect your advice. The first thing you do is wait to see what we will post so that if you disagree, you can immediately criticize it. I never made ANY insinuations about you or who you may be unlike yourself who has attempted to insinuate that I am a homosexual, grammar challenged, escort lol simply because YOU fail to understand some very basic statements made. But like I said, it’s all good! Despite some of your rude and negative comments, I have no hard feelings. I know that there will always be at least one shit starter in the bunch that attempts to rouse everyone up. Lol But I came here on the blog because I wanted to get perspectives from both SDs and SBs concerning the sugar world and their experiences. I’m sure other people are here for the exact same reasons and no one wants to be disrespected simply because they don’t take the same views as yourself.

  43. Josh says:

    OK SugarySpicey. 😉

  44. DorkyGuy says:

    @Josh~ I treat you with exactly the same level of respect that you treat everyone you disagree with, including a number of people that I know to be good decent people.

    If you consider it to be a “vicious attack” when pointed in your direction, then maybe that is an opportunity for introspection.

  45. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    “Lol it’s all good Josh. You’re such a jackass on this blog that I gotta give you a hard time when I can 😉
    Hey, they say it takes one to know one right? Lol”

    That’s NOT a good enough reason to join vicious attacks against me. I never called or even thought of you as a “jackass.” I actually though of you as newly mnted lawyer for reasons mentioned above. So thinking of me as a jackass is unfortunate.

    But freedom of thought is a beautiful thing. 😉

  46. flyR says:

    @Legal Barbie ”

    Nice revised ending. Please tell me you have a SB lol”

    Yes, am blessed with an awesome SB although I lack the height of many, the slim youth of many, and the wanton spending advocated by SA, the charm of many . Have had some extraordinary SB’s over the years, usually ended when they finished grad school, found IRL love or a few just wanted out.

    I split my time between two sugar rich areas which helps a lot, but even places like Eugene Oregon, Kerville TX or some of the smaller places in AZ have great prospects.

  47. Josh says:

    @FatB’StardSA

    “@Josh

    You missed the most important criteria:

    Constantly posting on the SA blog = Active SD.”

    Where did you get that idiotic idea? Have you been chatting with the psychopath in private?

    “Have a nice day :-).”

    I much rather prefer “Have a nice lay” 😉

  48. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Josh

    You missed the most important criteria:

    Constantly posting on the SA blog = Active SD.

    Have a nice day :-).

  49. Lol Josh you are really something 😉

  50. Josh says:

    Shouldn’t you be cooking up more pirate stories instead of postinf as DorkyGuy? 😉

  51. DorkyGuy says:

    Virgin blog topic is up folks

  52. DorkyGuy says:

    LOL. So you are an “Active SD” who doesn’t want a SB. Got it! LMFAO, you are a riot.

    If my sexual needs are handsomely met in my current situation, why should I take up a significantly more expensive and drama-ridden route of getting an SB because someone just picked up things from my posts to bash me with?”~Josh

    The more I read your craziness, the more you convince me that your persona is entirely fabricated. No active SD can post as much as either of us do.

    If God were to descend from Heaven, and tell me “Josh is an active SD”, I could show him your blogging frequency, and he would have to concede the mistake.

  53. To answer your question Josh, yes if someone put graduate degree for education and then put legal profession as their occupation I would likely assume that they went to law school. However, Not necessarily that they are a lawyer because it is more and more common that the two do not equate. So like my profile said I am a recent law graduate, not a lawyer yet…..too soon to know.

    To further answer your question, I did four years of undergrad at Purdue University followed by three years of law school. Some schools give the option of having five years of formal training to finish your law degree but personally that’s just too damn long for law lol. If I’m doing all that I better be in the medical field trying to be a surgeon or something LOL

  54. Josh says:

    “LOL, caught in lies… hate to see it. really do.”

    Once again, since logic is an alien language to you, let me spell it out.

    If a woman is costing less and creating less drama currently then it does not mean that she is free of cost and is permanent.

    The situation is currently perfect so there is no need to ACTIVELY look elsewhere AT THIS VERY MOMENT. Can she start proactive sabotage next week?

    Absolutely! Hence, continually to look for replacement.

    Spending money on a woman in exchange for mutual benefits = Active SD.

    Constantly looking for a replacement = Active SD.

    Jesus Christ…

  55. Lol it’s all good Josh. You’re such a jackass on this blog that I gotta give you a hard time when I can 😉
    Hey, they say it takes one to know one right? Lol

  56. FatB’StardSA says:
    October 8, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    @RussianSB

    You get “presents as cars, appartments, cool diamonds”? You look really nice in your gravatar but god damn that is a lot to give out for pussy. Now I know I cannot afford you.

    Haha…. I know right? Lol Kudos to you Russian!

  57. Josh says:

    If you put “Graduate Degree” in education and ‘legal profession” in profession, then I am not sure what else I was supposed to assume.

    However, fair enough, live and learn. In the future I will not ass-u-me such fairly common formulations.

    May I ask how many years of formal schooling have you had dear, and in which discipline, other than knowing quite a few SBs? 😉

  58. Lainey says:

    Lol @Josh. Understood!

  59. Russian SB says:

    Fatty, every married man at risk to give a house as a present one day – to a woman he don’t like anymore :)

  60. DorkyGuy says:

    NC Gent!!! It’s great to see you! I hope life is treating you well.

  61. DorkyGuy says:

    “First of all I am active SD. So STOP writing whatever you feel like it without any relevance to reality, like you continue to do so.”~Josh

    “If my sexual needs are handsomely met in my current situation, why should I take up a significantly more expensive and drama-ridden route of getting an SB because someone just picked up things from my posts to bash me with?”~Josh

    LOL, caught in lies… hate to see it. really do.

  62. Josh says:

    @Lainey

    “Angelina Jolies boobs are fake. So are you saying hers are as well? Lol”

    I know your boobs are 102 ZZZ.

    But it’s NOT nice to make fun of women with littler boobs. OK! 😉

    34C all natural.

  63. FatB'StardSA says:

    @RussianSB

    You get “presents as cars, appartments, cool diamonds”? You look really nice in your gravatar but god damn that is a lot to give out for pussy. Now I know I cannot afford you.

  64. “Read my post very carefully, from attorney to interior designer to architect to my ex-primary care physician, there are women I would take advice from, and unfortunately none of you are qualified, in either of the categories or about relationships. So?”

    I read your post just fine. But somehow you are qualified to give relationship advice on this blog? The man who thought I was a “graduate lawyer”? Whatever the fuck that is! Lmao

    Sweetheart, no one is an expert here. And that’s all I’m trying to say. Regardless if you believe that you somehow know more than Every woman on this blog, you don’t or you would have SBs lining up at your service with ease. The only person that is trying to come across as having all the answers is you. Some are just more open to consider all of their options (or some of the advice that can be categorized as reasonable) before shutting people out on claims that they know nothing or are here to sabotage. Lol

  65. Lainey says:

    Angelina Jolies boobs are fake. So are you saying hers are as well? Lol

  66. Russian SB says:

    No, it’s fun. Take it easy !
    About platonic arrangements, going out, dating – I realize ( in traditional dating or sugar one ), that if man spending money on nice restaurants, give me money, buy me presents – he has some expectations. We are not ” friends ” and we are not ” platonic “. Period, ladies . And , when it is such presents as cars, appartments, cool diamonds – it is not NSA anymore, but arrangement full of responsibilities. And you cannot even stop that connection.
    So, it is nice to get designers bags and presents, but don’t think it is for granted.

  67. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy,

    Since logic is an alien concept to you, let me spell it out to you.

    I have had several SBs on and off SA over the years.

    I have had several SBs thru SA.

    If currently I am banging a women with Angelina Jolie body. Same height, same boobs, plus 10 lbs in a non-drama, low-maintenance environment, then why on earth should I go around eagerly looking for an SB TODAY or even this week?

    Now, keeping eyes and option open is fair game.

    Since you are SugarySpicey=DorkyGuy=flyR=Dan and God knows who else, you would not understand.

  68. NC Gent says:

    wow — lots of new interesting people posting — welcome to all!
    I can confirm that Dorky Guy is indeed a guy, but not via first “hand” experience.

    is it true that Josh has never had an SB? I wouldn’t find it shocking based upon his personality, but the way he talks, he does indeed represent himself to be a Guru.

  69. Kms2014 says:

    There are more sub men on site than most who are not into that sort of thing realise…was surprised myself at some of the messages I got, and from men(one was quite young looking to clean my house and pay me?). It isn’t as weird as you think. I used to have the same opinion, but have come across a couple women who enjoy playing the soft dominant role every so often, and it actually sounds kind of fun, but appears to be a bit of work. Have been contemplating it myself, actually…as can be quite assertive, if need be.

    Most of the men who approach, especially, when new, are not always our ideal. Some appear to get lucky, in that aspect though, and get snatched up quickly. You will get used to approaching men as time goes on because the quality ones get many many messages, so you have to differentiate yourself from the others and have good pictures.

  70. Niccie says:

    First, you all are hilarious! I’ve literally sat and read these comments (BLAH type of day).
    Second, I need help with SDs as well lol. I’m fairly new to the site and the most difficult thing for me is my traditional thinking of “guy approaches girl” mindset (plus, I have NO pick up lines lol jk). I get messages but they never lead anywhere so I’m willing to get advice as well on my page, and how to weed these people out. I’ve got quite a few of men wanting to me “dominated” and that’s just weird so here’s my tag:

    “Chocolate Drop”

  71. Kms2014 says:

    Per the comment about women taking selfies in the bathroom….how many naked male torsos(most not in the good naked male torso way, I might add) have the ladies encountered here? Or, am I just the lucky one? I get one every so often, with their shower, sink or shiny 5 star hotel toilet, in the background. One SD was kind enough to take his after shower bathroom selfie, while still having his towel draped around his bottom half :-/ That is talent to bathroom selfie while your towel stays on. The difference of an SB and SD bathroom selfie, however, is probably the quality of bathroom? Have seen some very
    nice bathrooms in these SD selfies, on occasion…is the verdict the posh bathroom selfie is okay, if the background toilet and sink is Italian porcelain trimmed in gold leaf?

  72. DorkyGuy says:

    As for as DorkyGuy’s idiotic “advice” to take whatever steps he wants me to take with his timeframe, why should I?

    If my sexual needs are handsomely met in my current situation, why should I take up a significantly more expensive and drama-ridden route of getting an SB because someone just picked up things from my posts to bash me with?

    Tell me a reason why?

    Holy COW! He responded! He’s actually alive, and capable of a conversation!

    So Josh, if you having a SB is not a goal of yours, and you have no experience with it, why are you here pontificating to everyone else how they should do it?

    Tell me a reason why?

    Thanks for the clarification though.

    As long as you keep dishing out advice as if you are Josh Guru, you can rely on me to inform the unsuspecting that you are in fact not a SD, never have been a SD, and have no interest in becoming an SD!

  73. Rachel SB says:

    Okay I missed a lot!

    @FB – “Unless you are riding the stick shift there is no need to put a car selfie photo in your profile.”

    Hearty chuckle there my friend, good one! According to Dorky’s comment regarding FB’s change of verbiage it would be “tenderly sharing her soul” in the car.

    So far that’s what stuck out from the blog since yesterday!

  74. Kms2014 says:

    Oh, the Daily Mail….bless. it is like a children’s picture book with many photos, flyR and only should be used as such (: Once in awhile they accidentally find themselves getting a good scoop, though. Mostly, because they are not as PC about certain things as much as US media.

  75. Josh says:

    @Russian SB

    “It is fun blog,”

    Are you sure about that Russian?

    I had thought that it was a “silly blog” to taunt other posters with, but addictive to incessantly post themselves? 😉

  76. Josh says:

    As for as DorkyGuy’s idiotic “advice” to take whatever steps he wants me to take with his timeframe, why should I?

    If my sexual needs are handsomely met in my current situation, why should I take up a significantly more expensive and drama-ridden route of getting an SB because someone just picked up things from my posts to bash me with?

    Tell me a reason why?

  77. Josh says:

    @Lainey

    “Josh is like the guy who gets lost but REFUSES to ask for directions.”

    See you are so prone to following stereotypes. Since you have not traveled with me you don’t know that I am smart enough to ask directions sooner rater than later.

    @Lmao@LegalBarbie28

    “Yep…. Knows EVERYTHING,”
    Negative again. That would be all knowing all mighty Sir Jacob the great.

    “yet still has the time to entertain us all day rather than an actual SB.”

    I don’t think that I have time to entertain, ALL DAY, either any of you or mind you an SB. Now entertaining myself all day would be a different story. 😉

    “sometimes it can do you some good to listen to others!”

    Read my post very carefully, from attorney to interior designer to architect to my ex-primary care physician, there are women I would take advice from, and unfortunately none of you are qualified, in either of the categories or about relationships. So?

    And DorkyGuy is even worse, she is woman pretending to be a man.

  78. DorkyGuy says:

    DG, I agree with your entire post. However, you do realize that Josh is going to accuse you of being a woman because instead of simply bashing women, you decided to add men in the equation as well right? Lol

    Nah, Josh isn’t going to respond. He never does if I suggest he needs to actually take action in his own life. He will even pass up the easy target of calling me a woman if taking that target acknowledges a post that requires introspection.

  79. Russian SB says:

    Carminna, you can left the site and still post there . It is fun blog, the other my favorite blog is political. Nothing wrong with SA, there is ressesion everywhere.

  80. @FlyR

    Nice revised ending. Please tell me you have a SB lol

  81. flyR says:

    STOP THE PRESS
    Amid a world awash in Ebola stories, a faltering economy and the rise of a new Caliphate the Daily Mail (GB) breathlessly reports on a new study which claims the female vaginal orgasm is a myth.

    ANOTHER VIEW

    “”””Anyone on this site who thinks that there are just women on SA trying to use men for money without having sex and fails to recognize tha”””””

    REVISED ENDING ……… fails to recognize that for every legitimate and reasonably acceptable SD there’s probably a minimum of 4 attractive , intelligent SB’s who understand and embrace the concept of an arrangement are are fully capable of and committed to fulfilling their part of the arrangement . Yes SD’s can make bad choices and can sabotage otherwise good choices , they have the odds in their favor. Those who are especially talented can repeatedly snatch defeat from the lips of victory .

  82. “However, that’s not because they are women. That is because they are human. Men sabotage themselves too, on an equally grand scale, with our tactics being sometimes (but not always) different.”

    DG, I agree with your entire post. However, you do realize that Josh is going to accuse you of being a woman because instead of simply bashing women, you decided to add men in the equation as well right? Lol

  83. DorkyGuy says:

    I don’t think Josh even knows he’s lost. If you try to tell him he’s lost, he just goes silent, and pretends he didn’t hear it. Sticks his fingers in his ears… nya nya nya nya nyaaaaaa nya

  84. Lainey says:
    October 8, 2014 at 9:19 am
    Josh is like the guy who gets lost but REFUSES to ask for directions. Lmao

    Yep…. Knows EVERYTHING, yet still has the time to entertain us all day rather than an actual SB. Lol
    Just saying, sometimes it can do you some good to listen to others!

  85. Lainey says:

    Josh is like the guy who gets lost but REFUSES to ask for directions. Lmao

  86. @Lainey

    I would say I’m “logical”. My guy friends call me for advice all the time because I am able to give them the “she’s not worth the 100$ dinner bet she’ll bang without it” advice as well as the “show up with flowers and Plan B to apologize for not pulling out last night” LOL

    Exactly! Just last week one of my good college friends told me about his entire interaction he had with this chick that he met and wanted to take her on this expensive ass date. After hearing about their exchange of words and actually meeting her, I gave him three quick reasons why she was easy, why he should scratch the expensive date, and how he’ll end up getting head on the drive home from the movies. Lol

    She did him one better… He got head while IN the movies! Like I said, damn I’m good! lol

  87. Josh says:

    Let’s take your last paragraph and apply it to the preceding one. YOU ARE A WOMAN! 😉

  88. FatB’StardSA says:
    October 8, 2014 at 8:41 am
    @LegalBarbie28

    “This is actually sound advice……. If you are a homosexual.”

    “A SD taking dating advise from a SB might as well be a homosexual because the probability of of having sex with any SB would be 0.”

    Haha yea FB, you got a good point there. Lol. Some are just trying to get something for nothing. But sweetie it goes both ways.

    Anyone on this site who thinks that there are just women on SA trying to use men for money without having sex and fails to recognize that there are plenty of men on this site only looking to pay for dinner in exchange for a piece of pussy…. is delusional lol. Everybody on here takes a risk. Part of the reason that I have actually had fun in my arrangements and why some of them have lasted longer than others is because, I’m open to advice from other SBs that may know things that I don’t. Additionally, I’m open to advice from SD’s on what they would like to see from their own SB. In my eyes, It only helps me to be a better SB to my SD.

  89. I take it “tun”= turn?
    Lol

  90. This is actually sound advice……. If you are a homosexual.”

    “Negative. Shaggy is correct.

    Unless the women is formally trained in relationship counseling, and has testimonials to prove it, it is foolish to take relationship advice from any woman.

    That DOES NOT mean that you should not take legal, medical, home decor, etc., etc., advice from her.

    There is something about relating to men that, otherwise seeminly intelligent, women continue to screw up.”

    Respectfully, Josh….. Maybe if you tried to actually listen to some (not all) advice from certain SBs on this blog, you might not be having as bad of luck as you currently are.

    I agree, most chicks don’t know the first thing about relationships just as a lot of guys don’t either. But some WOMEN are able to give very sound advice about what has worked for them, and a lot of MEN are as well. Please don’t make the mistake of thinking that men know everything there is to know about these type of arrangements. If you did, you would be so damn good that you wouldn’t even have to offer money to chicks. You would know everything in a woman’s brain that you could get all of your needs met without ever having to offer her anything. And After all, a lot of women are usually able to go on a lot more dates than men simply because their finances are not hurt by it. Therefore, often enough… We may have been able to observe more things about the sugar world than you think.

  91. DorkyGuy says:

    On the topic of women. *Of course* women are prone to flubbing up relationships and self-sabotage. Of course.

    However, that’s not because they are women. That is because they are human. Men sabotage themselves too, on an equally grand scale, with our tactics being sometimes (but not always) different.

    If you don’t believe me Josh, how many M&G are you going to have these next three days? Or are you going to sabotage yourself by sitting on a blog, thinking that by somehow participating in a conversation, you are moving yourself closer to the arrangement that you profess to want?

    Advice that anyone gives is bound to be fraught with that person’s imperfection and jaded experience. Yours and mine included. One has to weigh any advice against the *person* giving it.

  92. Josh says:

    @Lainey

    “apologize for not pulling out last night”

    What’s up with THAT?

  93. Lainey says:

    @Josh that’s not entirely true. I would say I’m “logical”. My guy friends call me for advice all the time because I am able to give them the “she’s not worth the 100$ dinner bet she’ll bang without it” advice as well as the “show up with flowers and Plan B to apologize for not pulling out last night” LOL

  94. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    I rephrased your statement as follows:

    This is actually sound advice if you want to tun into a homosexual…

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that… 😉

  95. DorkyGuy says:

    @Joshj- My legal team advises that I should neither confirm nor deny that.

  96. Joshj says:

    @DorkyGuy

    “@LegalBarbie- lol! That was really good”

    I know that evidence, data and logic are alien concepts for you but the more you post the more you provide evidence that you are a woman posting as a man. 😉

  97. Lainey says:

    Morning loverbunnies! Had an amazing night hope you all have the most perfect day! <3

  98. Josh says:

    *There is something about relating to men that, otherwise seeminly intelligent, women continue to screw up, and the problem worsens when the dish out advice on something they are constantly struggling themselves with.

  99. FatB'StardSA says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    “This is actually sound advice……. If you are a homosexual.”

    A SD taking dating advise from a SB might as well be a homosexual because the probability of of having sex with any SB would be 0.

  100. DorkyGuy says:

    @FB- New blog rule only for fat bastards… the word “fuck” shall be replaced with “tenderly sharing our souls”

    @LegalBarbie- lol! That was really good

  101. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    “@Shaggy says:
    October 8, 2014 at 6:59 am
    @doryx
    “I am looking for advice on how things actually work around here”

    “Never take any dating advice by a woman, be it arrangement or normal dating is the best advice I can give you.”

    This is actually sound advice……. If you are a homosexual.”

    Negative. Shaggy is correct.

    Unless the women is formally trained in relationship counseling, and has testimonials to prove it, it is foolish to take relationship advice from any woman.

    That DOES NOT mean that you should not take legal, medical, home decor, etc., etc., advice from her.

    There is something about relating to men that, otherwise seeminly intelligent, women continue to screw up.

  102. Shaggy says:
    October 8, 2014 at 6:59 am
    @doryx
    “I am looking for advice on how things actually work around here”

    “Never take any dating advice by a woman, be it arrangement or normal dating is the best advice I can give you.”

    This is actually sound advice……. If you are a homosexual.

  103. gentleman soul says:

    @Jacob

    You get so much grief I just wanted to say that your last post was spot on and good advice . Good luck with that “8” IRL ( :

  104. Alexis says:

    “Darling Joshy why would anyone need multiple IDs to point out your silliness, you do it all by yourself. Perhaps, you’re so obsessed with proxies because you’ve figured out how to use them.”

    Some on here have found it somehow necessary to do this in order to attack others, unfortunately. I can’t blame Josh for thinking this way at all. It’s a logical train of thought. Anything else would entail utilizing the flamingo effect.

  105. Shaggy says:

    @doryx
    “I am looking for advice on how things actually work around here”

    Never take any dating advice by a woman, be it arrangement or normal dating is the best advice I can give you.

  106. Alexis says:

    I really do feel like I’m on a regular dating site except the BS is much higher. All these guys trying to invoke emotions on my part is really getting irritating.

    So I’m supposed to learn how to falsely respond to their attempt to manipulate my emotions so that I then provide them free sex?

    Thanks but no thanks.

  107. gentleman soul says:

    @all

    What beverage to woo my new Pot ? Since she is 19 (hopefully) we will be having A Coke unless her fake I.D. is operational . I will need to card her 1st of course .

  108. gentleman soul says:

    @Spicey

    All good advice you gave earlier . My only caveat to “show me the money” 1st is make a deal 1st . Money up front is typical escort MO . An arrangement is an agreement to produce XYZ . Yes,there are louts who will steal the Pussy and run ,but not as many as you would think .

  109. Alexis says:

    “I will be better off deceiving some guy in match.com because in the SA at my city the sugar sistem does not work….only prostitution and that I am not sure I really want to go for that”

    Uh huh

  110. Carminna says:

    Russian SB says:
    October 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Carminna, welcome to Geneva !
    100 proposals doen’t mean that it is normal deal here, it means that such morons send letters to everyone, because noone answers. Also pimps looking for material here. American one told me that sugar and prostitution is the same, and that he recruit 50 girls from SA.
    Here again his profile: e091f001
    Be patient, after 2 month all that “foam” will dissapear.

    Thanks Russian, That makes alot of sense now…. I know prostitution in Geneva is a big business and now I see what they are doing on this website… Loks like josh is wright…. I will be better off deceiving some guy in match.com because in the SA at my city the sugar sistem does not work….only prostitution and that I am not sure I really want to go for that….

    I will stay just untill my menbership is finished…. after that josh will be very happy I leave because he does not like me telling the truth on the website….

    You have agood one Josh and remenber… you can fool some people some time but not all the people all the time….

  111. FatB'StardSA says:

    @PriceySpicey

    A slut puts out to anyone who asks her for a fuck and a bitch thinks everyone wants to ask her to fuck.

    Have a nice day :-).

  112. flyR says:

    Part of the SD mission is to protect virgin palates from the ravages of Boones Farm and Gallo

  113. flyR says:

    Wow a lot of folks up late posting last night .

    I pretty much stick to reds – Cabs, Pinot, Syrah and chard . They make a lot of Pinot and Syrah in the area so that’s the most common.

    Nice to start a dinner with a glass of chard or sb (or bubbly) and then a bottle of red.

    Part of the fun with current SB is that we normally start the evening with a very casual dinner or appetizers and a good bottle of wine (or sometimes save it for intermission).

  114. Lainey says:

    @SugarSpicey Riding boots are in this season. Be sure to include a pair of those

  115. DorkyGuy says:

    That is a great look! Reminds me of Nancy Sinatra. The right pair of boots with the right skirt and the right sway is killer.

  116. SugarySpicey says:

    I just contemplated Uggs, and then shuttered in disgust, I’m not an animal!

    Wools Socks Dr.Dork?!! Don’t you know the weather resilience trick of Eastern European women? The skirts don’t get longer, the boots get higher!

  117. DorkyGuy says:

    Thigh highs are not required in Canada, as Canadian girls get the same coverage from their leg fur. I suggest brown wool socks so you don’t attract disapproving stares.

  118. SugarySpicey says:

    Dorkydaddy, as long as coffee is still an option, we’ll get along just fine.

    Critical question: three days in Canada followed by five days in NYC, how many pairs of thigh highs and garters do I need? Checking luggage is for Noobs, but this trip has me stumped!

  119. SugarySpicey says:

    Softi, what is the difference between a slut and a bitch? A slut f*cks everyone, a bitch f*cks everyone but you. 😉

  120. FatB'StardSA says:

    @SB’s

    Unless you are riding the stick shift there is no need to put a car selfie photo in your profile.

  121. DorkyGuy says:

    Lol, tell ya what… there are worse choices I could make. Waiter, we are having coffee, thanks!

  122. FatB'StardSA says:

    “…if it takes ten dates and <10 years age difference, plus the looks of the ridiculous male models SA uses on their posts to make you want sex, SA isn't for you. Young, kind, good looking guys who are willing to date then evolve into intimacy ain't on SA."

    PriceySpicey is a bitch but this quote should placed on SA in a terms of use agreement that SB's must read before they create a profile.

    I did not join this site because I am good looking or socially well adjusted and the SB's sure as hell did not sign up because they are smart. Proper expectations are the key to a successful arrangement.

  123. SugarySpicey says:

    “I’m not drinking any damn Merlot!”

    Somehow, were we going on a date I’d have a sneaking suspicion you weren’t a drinker DorkadileRock. As far as my personal punctuation Big D, I celebrated a big mid-thirties birthday last week, don’t you know that makes me positively menopausal (and completely unf8ckable)?

    Regarding red vs. white, though I enjoy red I avoid it on a date because A. I’m clumsy and B. It leaves a stain on your lips and teeth which isn’t particularly sexy pre-kiss.

  124. @DG

    “If I do, my preference is merlot.”

    I have yet to find a Merlot that I can even stand to drink if it was simply offered to me. Could just be my luck with terrible Merlot’s or it could be my love for Cabernet! Please share with me your favorite if you don’t mind.

  125. “As a man, when in doubt, order a Pinot Grigio anyone except the most novice of drinkers can enjoy it.”

    True! I’m a pretty fierce red wine lover so most whites won’t really work for me. However, whenever I do decide to have a glass of white, I almost always chose a glass of Pinot Grigio as it is not as sweet as a Riesling, nor is it as dry as some Chardonnays or Sauvignon Blancs.

  126. DorkyGuy says:

    I am grateful for your semicolons, but I am totally fine if you keep your periods to yourself, lol!

    Pinot, eh? I rarely drink which most folks find bizarre. If I do, my preference is merlot. If I have tried Pinot, I don’t recall it. Since it has your endorsement, I will order it on my next excursion!

  127. SugarySpicey says:

    Dorkstradamous – don’t worry, you know all my semi colons are for you. (As for my colon however, I’m far less generous).

    I’m packing and feeling particularly Spicey tonight, most likely thanks to that last glass of Pinot.

    When I’m being wooed I’ll admit to a cliche love of Sparkling wines. But if asked, I’d say Pinot (Noir or Grigio depending on the season). As a man, when in doubt, order a Pinot Grigio anyone except the most novice of drinkers can enjoy it.

  128. DorkyGuy says:

    @Spicey- thanks for giving Josh the fix of female attention he is desperate for. If you throw him a comment every 10 minutes or so, maybe we will get some reprieve.

    @Flyr- What is your preferred dinner beverage to order when wooing the fairer sex? Any particular favorite?

  129. SugarySpicey says:

    Darling Joshy why would anyone need multiple IDs to point out your silliness, you do it all by yourself. Perhaps, you’re so obsessed with proxies because you’ve figured out how to use them. But, I’m confident those of us who have not been asked repeatedly to leave the blog have no need for them.

    Now be a good little boy, you’re annoying me and I know you prefer me flirtatious and dirty – because then you get to launch your third favorite attack and call me a prostitute.

  130. Josh says:

    The other you suggested under one of your ids to discuss God knows what over grey poupon, which I refused.

    Why do I want to discuss anything with you at all?

  131. SugarySpicey says:

    Joshy, baby we can talk about my boobs as long as you’d like, though other bloggies might get bored. Should we move on to my medical-grade vagina? Or perhaps you’re feeling a yawn coming on. Should we discuss Tolstoy’s exceptional mindfuck exposed in Anna Karenina with Russian; perhaps Nietzsche and why you try so hard to be evil but never quite succeed?

  132. Josh says:

    The coordinated proxy id attack has started. 😉

  133. Josh says:

    SugarySpicey = DorkyGuy = a man of sience.

    Hahahahaha!

  134. Josh says:

    “Other mysterious forces are at work! Certainly to do with chemistry.”

    Chemistry, as in silicone or saline?

  135. Josh says:

    While proxy id’s talking to each other, I demand to ask where I said that her LOTs were sagging. I just informed her of boob sag phenomenon in women and she volunteered her own boob related info. So I used that in the subsequent posts.

  136. DorkyGuy says:

    Dorky, you are a man of science, how could something sag while being non-existent?

    The example I would provide is “Josh’s self-esteem”. It’s a paradox, I know.

    There is no doubt your T&A exert a significant pull, but I don’t know if it is gravitational. Other mysterious forces are at work! Certainly to do with chemistry.

  137. flyR says:

    “FlyGuy – the taking of the plate I’d never notice. Having been a server once upon a time I now want dirty plates removed as it then allows me him to place his wrists on the table so that he can reach across easily and refill my wine glass.”

    My personal take is that it sends a message to the women that she is slow. Besides I would probably be sitting beside you and not being able to place my wrists on the table would not be deprivation, but of course your glass would always be filled to the proper level…….

  138. SugarySpicey says:

    FlyGuy – the taking of the plate I’d never notice. Having been a server once upon a time I now want dirty plates removed as it then allows me him to place his wrists on the table so that he can reach across easily and refill my wine glass.

    Dorky, you are a man of science, how could something sag while being non-existent? Too bad I’ll be in NYC this weekend or perhaps I could invite you to measure the gravitational pull and cup weight of my now much debated T (and hey, to avoid speculation we should probably throw in my A).

  139. flyR says:

    POF a point in the relationship where the Panties On Floor condition first exists, if there is any expectation of a MBR there should be a firm agreement and preferably performance by the SD .

  140. Josh says:

    Why, thank you Charlotte. 😉

  141. Denzel, if you are still reading this… Please ignore Josh’s made up acronyms. LOL

  142. Charlotte says:

    Very well written!

  143. Josh says:

    POT also stands for Plenty of Tits. So when you refer to Lainey you say POT. But when you refer to SugarySpicey, you use LOT, which stands for Lack of Tits. 😉

  144. flyR says:

    @Sugary Spicey “Regarding newbie questions as I see a number of you here, welcome and beware. …..”

    If a newbie were to read only one post this would a great candidate.

    If I were to fine tune it I would only put more flexibility into dress for the first date….. Be genuine quality and sexy the options SS outlines are a great guide.

    Yes- don’t do it unless you expect to enjoy the sex. Not only is it bad for you but its probably not going to last long.

    I shouldn’t have to mention it but
    clues he’s not going to be very concerned about your pleasure

    doesn’t open the door for you
    interrupts you
    allows the waitress to take his plate before you are done eating
    treats the help poorly
    doesn’t offer you a taste of his food
    planning to wear a CDC issued protective suit to bed

  145. @Fake Denzel

    POT does in fact refer to a potential SD or SB.

    Josh, you are crazy as hell!!! Lmao

  146. DorkyGuy says:

    @Denzel- POT is a potential SD or SB. POF is Plenty of Fish, a dating website.

    @Spicey- it is not what you think. Boob sag is what he calls it when he is feeling low.

  147. Josh says:

    @Fake Denzel

    POT stands for POTty trained. For health reasons we like to have out members potty trained.

    POF stands for Plenty of Fakes, like you’re Fake Denzel.

  148. SugarySpicey says:

    Fortunately my boobs are awesome, so grace is not required – that’s the benefit to having a slight, ballerina frame as opposed to the full voluptuous figure – even in my near geriatric thirties they haven’t dropped an inch.

    Of course, you only said that with hopes I’d describe my pert, pale pink, peaks to you. Naughty little Joshy, I know how you play – bark and whimper so we’ll give you a little nibble.

    I don’t have to hate any man. We are each responsible for how others treat us. The first time you may be a victim, after that you’re a volunteer.

  149. Fake Denzel says:

    Pardon my ignorance, but what do the acronyms “POT” and “POF” mean?

  150. Josh says:

    I am kinda surprised. The coordinated posse (selfie?) attack has not started yet. Maybe later in the night when I am asleep? 😉

  151. DorkyGuy says:

    ok, profile I just looked at… 3 great pictures. Every one has her face at exactly the same odd angle, with exactly the same grin. I have no idea what she would look like head-on or without the grin.

  152. Josh says:

    @SugarySpicey,

    I just wanted to let you know, some women can handle their boob sag gracefully, many can’t. 😉

  153. Josh says:

    See, I told you the woman gives pretty good advice to SBs. (But is psychopath when it comes to men…err “some” men.) 😉

  154. “Why in God’s name do women climb in the car and then think, “Photo Time”?”

    Haha, I’ve seen that almost everywhere! Too funny lol

  155. DorkyGuy says:

    Yeah, but there’s no toilet selfie, so that’s a deal killer :(

    @yum_yum~ definitely listen to spicey regarding natural settings with natural lighting. The indoor lighting isn’t doing you justice.

  156. SugarySpicey says:

    Josh – you make no sense. Who have you not claimed I am, yet never once have I been accused of false posting. You KNOW who I am, we’ve spoken, you’ve seen my pics, so why keep posting this stupid BS … Oh, it’s to get my attention, how cute. Since most ALL other long time posters have had significant real-world interactions with me.

    Here, come kneel by my heals and I’ll scratch you behind the ears … there, now can we play nice?

  157. Okay just making sure you hadn’t went too crazy on us! Lol

  158. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    ““Bathroom and car selfies are a must. ”

    Hmmm….Haven’t heard that one. In fact, I’ve heard the opposite. Curious, What’s your reasoning for that claim Josh?”

    Hahahaha! It was failed tongue and cheek I guess. 😉

  159. SugarySpicey says:

    Bathroom selfie, car selfie = lame! Learn how to turn the camera toward yourself, angle it right, take 45 shots and pick the best – in an attractive setting. Photos with a toilet in the background, your Deoderant on the counter, and toothpaste splotches are NOT a turn on! Same thing with the car selfie! Why? Go stand in front of a tree if you like the natural light. Why in God’s name do women climb in the car and then think, “Photo Time”?

  160. Josh says:

    8. When SugarySpicey gets tired writing as various proxy ids, she shows up under her full fledged pschopath id to make direct attacks. 😉

    9. Her posse ids then make coordinated attacks as well. 😉

    10. Gives decent advice to SBs but hates men. But when cornered, claims she only hates certain men who…blah blah blah.

  161. “Bathroom and car selfies are a must. ”

    Hmmm….Haven’t heard that one. In fact, I’ve heard the opposite. Curious, What’s your reasoning for that claim Josh?

  162. SugarySpicey says:

    You’re right Dorkalicious, the link remains – but the blog moves on so fast only a psycho would ever go back through months worth of posts to troll a single inconspicuous little post. 😉

  163. Josh says:

    @Yum_yum22

    As far as pictures you have the most important bases covered. You have a bathroom selfie. Check. You have (what it appears to be) a car photo. Check. Bathroom and car selfies are a must. Which you already have.

    As far as the profile, you have a lot of loving to get rid of. THAT and the circular requirement in the “What I’m looking for” may be scaring SDs off.

    Expand the two sections with succinct thoughts and information. Start with something like this and expand upon it.

    About Me

    I want adventure, passion, and excitement. I genuinely love long talks over food and/or drinks with great company. Etc., etc., etc.

    What I’m looking for

    I am looking for an NSA arrangement. Etc., etc., etc.

  164. SugarySpicey says:

    Regarding newbie questions as I see a number of you here, welcome and beware.

    Now, for the advice I have given countless times:

    1. Mutually Beneficial means that both people benefit. Why would a man consider it to his benefit to give you gift$ for a platonic, take things slow relationship? He can get that on Match with an intelligent, accomplished, beautiful woman if he’s willing to bide his time and play the dating game. He’s here with an implied expectation of benefit, don’t be so naive.

    2. Don’t have sex with anybody you don’t genuinely want to have sex with, ever. It will make you feel like shit! But, if it takes ten dates and <10 years age difference, plus the looks of the ridiculous male models SA uses on their posts to make you want sex, SA isn't for you. Young, kind, good looking guys who are willing to date then evolve into intimacy ain't on SA.

    3. Know what makes an arrangement sexy to you, and be willing to ask for it. Then, don't put out until you've received it. That said – don't ask for an allowance on date two with an assumption of sex on date six. Both gifts should be incremental to show trust and "mutual benefit". That said, don't trust that a man will be generous with gift$ just because you were generous with your body. 50%+ of the men on SA are a complete scam: catfish, PUAs, poor mouth breathing basement dwellers, etc. don't have sex with someone until he's proven his legitimate intentions in some material way.

    4. Yes, you should be hot, well kept, manicured, buffed, and fit – but you should NOT look like a Pro unless he asks you to. I like skinny dark washed jeans, a sheer black shirt over a lacy black camisole, black stiletto sandals, and a fitted blazer in a flattering color – that way, blazer on you look like a colleague, blazer off you look seductive but not slutty (as the evening wears on you can eliminate a button or two from your collar slyly if you like).

    And finally, gents – if you give a woman good sex, she'll want to have sex with you. If you act like a selfish lout who doesn't care if she orgasms through intercourse or not (or if you find her too potentially diseased to perform oral sex on) she is going to come up with 1,001 excuses not to have sex with you. So, stop bitching and start improving your sexual game!

  165. DorkyGuy says:

    SugarFly would make a great pro wrestler name

    Ok, this post doesnt’ have the link… let’s see if the previous post kept the link. I believe it will.

  166. “Josh says:
    October 7, 2014 at 9:17 pm
    Hello SugarySpicey aka flyR aka DorkyGuy aka Dan ;)”

    Ouch…. These guys cannot catch a break!

  167. Josh says:

    Hello SugarySpicey aka flyR aka DorkyGuy aka Dan 😉

  168. DorkyGuy says:

    Hey Spiceypoo, long time no see!

    Might want to check, but if you delete the link, the link remains active for all of your posts that you made that included it. Just to test this theory out, I have added a link to my name on this post. I will delete it on a subsequent post. We’ll see if it remains on this post.

  169. flyR says:

    re deleting posts

    also understand that google searches the blog so what you post here is probably in googleland for eternity or the Chinese foreclose on the US

  170. SugarySpicey says:

    Ladies who want profile critique – no need to post your account info, look down yonder when posting a comment how the fields give you an option for website? Just copy/paste the URL to your profile in that field then comment, “Hey,click on my name and please review my profile.” Then, when you’ve gotten all the feedback you desire, delete the link.

    From a marketing perspective, it may make sense to just leave the link active indefinitely.

  171. DorkyGuy says:

    @yum_yum~ I dunno, flakiness? lol. Most initial emails from SDs are copy/paste jobs that they send out in mass, without reading your profile. Not exactly romantic, but that’s probably a good chunk of your messages.

  172. SirenSays says:

    @Josh
    😛

  173. yum_yum22 says:

    @josh Mayaloves

    @dorkyguy I noticed a few without the stripe down the side have sent me one message and then after i responded they never reply or read them.

  174. DorkyGuy says:

    Yum, if they are not premium profiles, they cannot message you, and cannot read your messages to them. Most profiles are free (not premium) and can be ignored. You can tell by a stripe down the left side of the profiling search results.

  175. flyR says:

    @ carminna ( from many posts ago)

    Despite your experience, people regularly find great sugar relationships here. Not guaranteed, easy, instant or always but certainly possible.

  176. Josh says:

    You cannot delete the post by yourself. You will have to ask Kirsten or it would be deleted anyway.

  177. Josh says:

    I don’t think it would be a problem. Kirsten seems to be deleting the account information from the blog lately.

  178. yum_yum22 says:

    Is that the best idea?? Can I delete the post after?

  179. Josh says:

    @Jerriq

    “Bursting out the gate, as a newbie, I notice that “sugar” is enticing. Im intrigued!”

    If you can teach Dan how to write like you, she (and we) would be grateful. 😉

  180. Josh says:

    If you post your profile tag I can look into the possible reason why that might be happening.

  181. Jerriq says:

    Bursting out the gate, as a newbie, I notice that “sugar” is enticing. Im intrigued!

  182. yum_yum22 says:

    @Josh I am 22. Horrible with creating screen names, usually go with something unfortunately generic lol

  183. Josh says:

    @yum_yum22

    Guess from the name either you are 22 years old or were born in 1922, which one is it?

  184. yum_yum22 says:

    I am new to this. I am curious if I should be the one sending the first messages. I see that guys view my profile and some favorite it but most don’t message me.

  185. Josh says:

    @yougottawritereallyjosh

    “Really” what sweetheart?

  186. DorkyGuy says:

    I was thinking of writing the following, but decided against it, since it would be a strike below the belt:

    “And don’t forget Josh, whose vast experience with SA is limited to 2 failed meet and greets. Never had an arrangement. That doesn’t stop him from offering advice gratuitously as if he is the Josh Guru, and as if his is the only right way to do it.”

    Instead, I will only say that I hope Josh actually starts setting up some Meet and Greets and gets his ass out there practicing this stuff, so that his advice will actually have some basis in reality.

  187. Josh says:

    While I was writing the post SirenSays jumped on the opportunity to advise “Perhaps you should ask yourself if that’s something you might be interested in exploring.” 😉

  188. Josh says:

    @doryx

    “I am looking for advice on how things actually work around here”

    As far as the advice space on this blog, this is how it works:

    1. Few SDs will give you sound advice.

    2. A couple of SBs writing as SDs will intervene and dis the sound advice given by SDs. For example, flyR=DorkyGuy is a woman who writes as two different SDs. flyR is a senile 80-something and neither facts nor logic bother DorkyGuy. Then we have a newcomer Danielle who writes as Dan, who is trying to throw all the SDs off using some kind of female concocted game methodology. Think of Danielle as female version of Roosh V.

    3. Then you will run into some SBs whose single goal in life is to convince that YOU should do what YOU want to do. They will tell you stories of all them crazy SDs who are lurking to “steal pussy.”

    4. You will get sound advice from Elaine, but FatBastard will show up and spread some bastardly droppings against Elaine. Elaine will graciously ignore him. FatBastard may also call you names depending on what you write.

    5. Lainey will walk around with her $3000 purse and your jaws would drop when you see her 104HH boobs and Kim Kardasian ass. She used to play basketball but managing three balls became too difficult so she gave it up. Her coach was a pervert as well. So that did not help either.

    6. Gentleman SD would whistle and give you a cat call. But he is harmless. Nice guy indeed.

    7. Last but not the least Kirsten talks softly but carries a big stick. She is the blog admin.

    That’s all for right now. Just observe how different characters respond to my post. You’ll enjoy it. 😉

  189. SirenSays says:

    @doryx
    “…the idea of man calling when I am needed is enthralling and somewhat empowering…”
    Sounds like something a Sub might say. Perhaps you should ask yourself if that’s something you might be interested in exploring. If it is that could work very well for you. Judging by some of the comments on the blogs, it seems that there might be something of a demand for that 😉

  190. doryx says:

    Good morning sugars 😉

    I have just recently joined this new and exciting site, for life experiences,interesting ventures and to achieve mutual satisfaction to both parties.
    I am young at only 25, but not naive. I have already lived a colourful life and would like to add something like this to my experiences. I am a teacher to trade but have always dreamed of being a writer, possibly one day in the not so distant future. I am an open minded lady both emotionally and sexually. I am looking for advice on how things actually work around here as i specifically don’t want to be treated like a business transaction, but ultimately I’m aware of the process. The main reason I love the idea of this is the casualness surrounding it, the idea of man calling when I am needed is enthralling and somewhat empowering under the circumstances. Any help and personal experiences would be beneficial for me to gain more understanding, thank you in advance.

    Have a splendid day, peace & love x

  191. flyR says:

    “Now how the fuck do you get someone to agree to fuck around on a first date?””

    Probably by taking a more sophisticated approach.

    By making in clear that there are no expectations or obligations unless both parties want to proceed. However, both are open to the concept.

    By being open enough that the other person feels they know enough about you to contemplate

    Add some good conversation and a bottle of good wine

    No guarantees expressed or implied

  192. SirenSays says:

    @LegalBarbie
    THANK YOU!!

  193. SirenSays says:

    @RSD
    It works both ways. I have no desire to chat with a man I might not be attracted to either. If the one contacting me has ZERO pics to offer when requesting more of me (I have a profile pic up, at least) then I am automatically going to assume they are pic collector and most likely a waste of time. If they’re not comfortable putting up a public pic they should at least have a private face shot to offer when requesting someone else’s private photos. I think it’s just rude to expect to see the full look of a woman when you’re not even willing to show your face. Men that go to peep shows have to pay to see the stripper they’ll never touch, but the woman you might potentially get physical with doesn’t even deserve to know what your smile looks like?

  194. DorkyGuy says:

    @Lainey~ To tell you the truth, I am scared to death of the Sybian.

    Someday, some fool is going to create a Sybian that can print money, and the species will just stop reproducing. That will be the last generation of humans.

  195. RSD says:

    @Dan, “Now how the fuck do you get someone to agree to fuck around on a first date?”

    It seems like your system works for you, but I see it somewhat different. I am not on this site to rack up the number of girls I’ve had sex with as quickly as I can. I want a first meet ‘n greet in which I can decide if the girl is one I’d want to be with for a reasonable period of time, and I like to sleep over it, as often enough I change my mind by the next morning. Typically, I would anticipate sex on a second date and expect it by the third. But there is no way I would make arrangements to sleep with an SB before I even meet her; chances are I wouldn’t want to because I am picky.

  196. @RSD
    “e that at times. Why waste my time chatting up a girl whom I might have no interest in once I see her pics? I’m definitely not a photo collector, but I do want to know I’d want the girl before raising her hopes. And it’s awkward if we send several messages and then I see her pics and don’t want to message her any more. So don’t be offended when guys do that to you.

    This makes complete sense. It’s like you said, why waste time chatting when you don’t even know if you’re physically interested in that person. Know that us women are the exact
    same. So I think her point was that if you are going to request photos right away before even introducing yourself, make sure you as well have one attached to that message. Don’t just ask to see her picture when she has no idea what you look like either.

  197. Minnie Bright says:

    Yeah @RussianSB I am already getting the guys offering to pay my travel now. So far no one wants to travel to me lol

    I don’t mind showing the private photographs if someone asks but I think some want to see them pretty quickly. Before saying hi seems a bit… previous.

  198. RSD says:

    @Russian SB, ” It is not the same as to get a bad date in your city. Are you ready, actually, travel for bad date ?”

    I agree absolutely. A local bad date can’t get that bad. Worst comes to worst, I just gobble down my food or coffee or whatever and say I have to go. A bad out-of-town date sucks. After 2 minutes, I conclude that I don’t want the girl, but am stuck being nice and entertaining her for the duration of her trip. I did it once; never again.

  199. RSD says:

    @SirenSays: “I have several photo requests from men that have never even bothered to say ‘hello’ first, and who have not a single picture of their own attached to their profiles.”

    Honestly, I have done that at times. Why waste my time chatting up a girl whom I might have no interest in once I see her pics? I’m definitely not a photo collector, but I do want to know I’d want the girl before raising her hopes. And it’s awkward if we send several messages and then I see her pics and don’t want to message her any more. So don’t be offended when guys do that to you.

  200. Josh says:

    Those who want you to get off the SA messaging are up to no good.

  201. Josh says:

    @Russian SB

    “He is also doen’t look like someone very critycal and rude, but he is.”

    What is her mode of operation?

  202. Kms2014 says:

    Let’s see…he saw me look at his profile and messaged right away…will see what he says after I ask what he seeks…oh, here it is already. Wants bisexual but she must have a passport! And the site drives him crazy to email him. Hehe!

  203. Russian SB says:

    He is also doen’t look like someone very critycal and rude, but he is.

  204. Kms2014 says:

    Ehehe! He does not like like a pimp, no…too funny!

  205. Russian SB says:

    Lainey, open someone else profile and change (profile )number in adress bar

  206. Russian SB says:

    The most successful SD in SA history. And, guess what ? He is still whining !

  207. Kms2014 says:

    Hmm, not sure why…it went right to it when I pasted the profile number in?

  208. Russian SB says:

    At least, for him site worked good. 50 employee !

  209. Russian SB says:

    A-ha, Kms, who can imagine, that charming 100 y.o. harmless guy is a pimp ?!

  210. Lainey says:

    @KMS I tried to look and it just bounced me back

  211. Lainey says:

    “@DorkyGuy .. Ladies, what if you could attach a penis to your man’s chin while he was asleep? It might improve his skill at giving oral!”

    Am I the only one that thought of a Sybian when I read this?

  212. Kms2014 says:

    @Russian…I looked at the American pimp…he looks kind of like Hugh Hefner, hehe

  213. SirenSays says:

    @Petite
    That certainly was some gag worthy, sappy, emotional word vomit, indeed.

  214. Josh says:
    October 7, 2014 at 3:17 pm
    @Lainey,

    “it’s so much fun teaching a man what you like and learning what makes him lose his mind.”

    That’s what I have been talking about for months. Women just don’t have self control against this “fun.”

    I completely agree with you Laney and I take the exact same approach. Sexually, if there something that I don’t like or think that my SD you can do better then I let him know. I encourage him to do the same thing with me as well. My arrangements seem to be a bit more successful if we remain open in our communication and this aspect. Josh, maybe you need to modify the SBs that you typically go for. Multiple no-shows/cancellations and lack of communication concerning the sexual aspects of your arrangement are not all that’s out there. It appears that many of the qualities that you yourself state that you’re lacking when it comes to SBs are actually present within some of the SBs on this blog.

  215. Russian SB says:

    Minnie, if he need far travel SB, then all SBs in his area are already freaked out of him !
    Pimp also been nice, telling he is genuine SD etc. Not offering 100 per meet.
    They all awfully nice, not to scare their victum… hehe :)

  216. DominantSB says:

    @Lainey – “it’s so much fun teaching a man what you like and learning what makes him lose his mind.”

    In what may be an entirely different context, teaching a man how to satisfy your needs and learning how to elicit specific responses to physical or intellectual stimuli is the most fascinating and challenging aspect of being a dominant female, even from a ‘light’ role play perspective. It’s a shame more women don’t explore the possibilities.

  217. Rachel SB says:

    okay one more thought…. If you think this is a dating website, it’s best to go to match or the like. Take a break from the site, figure out what YOU want. Then be decisive. Create a plan, a strategy if you will and stick to it. By strategy I mean certain guidelines for yourself to make sure you don’t compromise your own integrity or values.

  218. Josh says:

    @Rachel SB

    “I’ll be back in a few hours all… off to see my last client of the day. (oh I can’t wait to see what everyone thinks I do for a living now loooooooool)”

    Don’t worry about it. Take your time. The only person you will not have to wait is X. You will soon find out who X is within next few minutes. 😉

  219. Rachel SB says:

    @Carminna – Don’t let the actions of a few ruin YOUR opportunity dear. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, treat sorting through the SD’s like a job… there will be people you don’t like. There will be bs you go through to find the right opportunity in your career, the same goes here. Persevere. Be persistent. Know what YOU want. If anything, this experience will make you a stronger person able to shift and adapt to varying personalities… a great trait to have in executive management levels. Don’t give up. If it was easy, everyone would have found their perfect arrangement within the first week. It took me a couple months my first time around.

    I’ll be back in a few hours all… off to see my last client of the day. (oh I can’t wait to see what everyone thinks I do for a living now loooooooool)

  220. My page hasn’t been that successful. Is there anything on my profile that I can do to change that?

  221. Josh says:

    @Carminna

    “My gues is, we can be much better off on a matching website and pretend we want just to be a girlfriend and after a few weeks of dating do just like the wife normally does…….I HAVE NOTHING TO WEAR…..I NEED SHHOOPPINGGGGGGGGG…..Go ahead and see if that will get us what we need or waht.”

    Absolutely. The sooner you take this course of action the better. 😉

  222. Josh says:

    @Lainey,

    “it’s so much fun teaching a man what you like and learning what makes him lose his mind.”

    However, soon you will be left all alone as one SB after the other will deny that they do any such thing to their men. 😉

  223. Josh says:

    @Lainey,

    “it’s so much fun teaching a man what you like and learning what makes him lose his mind.”

    That’s what I have been talking about for months. Women just don’t have self control against this “fun.”

  224. Minnie Bright says:

    I seem to go from excessive communication to slightly insufficient communication from my SDs lol.

  225. SirenSays says:

    @Dan
    “Take more then two seconds after first contact before telling women how big your dick is and asking them if they like anal. Not every woman is a pro and wants to be approached aggressively. In fact the majority would prefer to talk like two adults. Weird concept eh?”

    This is a piece of advice that should go out to all SD’s when they create an account! I have several photo requests from men that have never even bothered to say ‘hello’ first, and who have not a single picture of their own attached to their profiles. I find it so rude and frustrating. Why should men think that we would be willing to put our images out to every collector on the web with no hope of ROI. Not that I want to start my own ‘random guy’ online album, I’m just saying! I’m always more willing to grant access if we at least exchange a few words first.

  226. Minnie Bright says:

    Yeah on the travelling thing, I never asked the guy I just cancelled and he never offered for expenses so that is my bad. I did mention how far I was coming. I think the lack of communication thus far is an indicator that it is not a meet up ready situation. He seems ok though, in fairness. Not a clinger lol.

  227. DominantSB says:

    @DorkyGuy – Hehe, could not resist that random comment… reminds me of The Accommodator.

  228. Russian SB says:

    Dorky, big wallet and a penis on chin ? If that two meet in one person, I will fall in love !

  229. Russian SB says:

    It is not the same as to get a bad date in your city. Are you ready, actually, travel for bad date ? Many fake SDs into that “travel” thing, they have plenty of girls in their area, why they need travel SB ? I have been offered a lot of strange arrangements, because I am in Russia. But I am fine with international CEOs , who have offices in Russia.

  230. DorkyGuy says:

    Josh, I will be deeply offended if you fail to quote the first sentence, and comment about how all of my posts fit that profile! Don’t let me down. I’ve been a bad boy. Give it to me, daddy.

  231. DorkyGuy says:

    Off topic post, feel free to skip. Completely vacuous thoughts.

    So this is actually true… Scientists are starting human testing for attaching human penises grown in a lab. I wonder if you get to pick the size and color. Ladies, what if you could attach a penis to your man’s chin while he was asleep? It might improve his skill at giving oral!

  232. Josh says:

    @Minnie Bright

    “I will take my time to decide if this is my bag first.”

    If it looks expensive and costs around $3000, it is Lainey’s. 😉

    @Lainey, does that look like your bag dear?

  233. Russian SB says:

    First, ask yourself if you ready to travel for fake SD ?

  234. Kms2014 says:

    @minniebright…that does not make you a time waster. he really should travel to you on the first meet, unless he is going to pay for your travel expenses(but, this is in regards to flying to someone, if someone is within driving distance to you, then he should be coming to you). There are exceptions, of course, like if you live in a very small town and he wants to meet and take you somewhere very nice, then he will probably offer travel expenses…in my opinion.

  235. Russian SB says:

    But there is a lot of decent SDs, don’t let fake wannabe’s spoil your attitude towards site.

  236. Russian SB says:

    Carminna, welcome to Geneva !
    100 proposals doen’t mean that it is normal deal here, it means that such morons send letters to everyone, because noone answers. Also pimps looking for material here. American one told me that sugar and prostitution is the same, and that he recruit 50 girls from SA.
    Here again his profile: e091f001
    Be patient, after 2 month all that “foam” will dissapear.

  237. Minnie Bright says:

    Thanks @kms2014 – I think 3 were not crazy. But I did postpone the guy after what happened because I was going to have to travel to him and the cost was too high for me after all my other SD traumas this week. I just felt it was a bad move so I am probably branded a timewaster now. I think I am over it though. I won’t be arranging any more meet ups any time soon. I will take my time to decide if this is my bag first.

  238. Kms2014 says:

    Crazy clingers*

  239. Kms2014 says:

    “Minnie Bright says:
    October 7, 2014 at 1:48 pm
    It has just been a week now since I signed up as an SB and I got some initial contact but…. oh gosh… I don’t know if it is just me but two of the guys were very clingy. Texting and ringing constantly. One got aggressive because I did not reply immediately and the other got irate when I genuinely had to postpone our date, went mental at me. I gave him over 48 hours notice and I was travelling to see him!”

    Minnie, I used to be shy to search and initiate first contact with an SD, but really, they are used to women making the first move here. Not all the SDs are crazy lingers…and, unfortunately, when you are new, that is prime time for most of the fake SDs to jump on you and contact you because they know you are new and might be naive/inexperienced. Try going through and reading the profiles that you think match what you seek and give a glimpse into their personality. You can also do this with the ‘visitors’ option of who viewed your profile and investigate there as well. Try not to be overwhelmed at first…it takes a lot of screening, but once you get more accustomed, then you can pick out the fakes/clingers/crazies quickly, and do not even have to bother with a second message or response, so no time wasted on meeting.

  240. Carminna says:

    Hello Sugar Babies… I am currently in one of the most expensive cities of Switzerland and I found exactly the same problem as you did…. Men in this website want us to be jus amazed by their fantastinc personality and be their girlfriend….They believe this is a macth website.

    Also, in this city an average escort charges 500 CHF for one hour so… Yes, I do have about 40 messages a day for me to be on an arrangement of pay per visit of about 100 CHF making a total of 500 CHF per month….

    And then the regulations of the website claim this is not for escorts, this is not for prostitution…. Yeahh, got it…

    I had my profile all cute and charming with a nice presentation and photos of me just in my leisure times but after I got bombarded with propositions like this I changed completly and I put erotic photos and a text just for annoyng the hell out of everyone just untill the menbership is over…

    My gues is, we can be much better off on a matching website and pretend we want just to be a girlfriend and after a few weeks of dating do just like the wife normally does…….I HAVE NOTHING TO WEAR…..I NEED SHHOOPPINGGGGGGGGG…..Go ahead and see if that will get us what we need or waht.

    Men preffer to be deceived rather than having a girl giving him the honest deal…….

    P.S. Make sure you keep the recipts of all the expensive crap you buy and return it to the stores and get cash to invest in something profitble…

  241. Kms2014 says:

    @Russian, but there was a false prophet amongst us 😉

  242. Minnie Bright says:

    @Petite thanks for the input. Yeah it inadvertently screened out the not so nice ones. To be honest the phone number wasn’t a massive issue as I just replied, blocked and added them to my reject list. It is the behaviour I was surprised about. I just expected them to be more “together” and clear on what they wanted lol. I think I was a bit clueless there.

  243. Petite says:

    @Gentleman
    Such a flatterer!

    @Minnie
    That happened to me a few times. And I’m sure it happens to SDs as well. Whenever an SD does something I find unbecoming or otherwise a “dealbreaker”; I thank the universe it presented itself sooner rather than later and I move on. It’s also a “live and learn” lesson to screen people more before handing out personal info like phone numbers.

    @DorkyGuy
    Okay, you got me, that made me laugh…

  244. Minnie Bright says:

    LOL thanks @DorkyGuy, I was feeling a tad “got at” so it made me giggle. This avatar is old, it must have picked it up from my Blogger/WP commenter account or similar.

  245. DorkyGuy says:

    @Minnie, *love* the avatar. but why won’t you return my calls? I am still waiting for you to confirm our relationship status on Facebook :(

  246. Minnie Bright says:

    It has just been a week now since I signed up as an SB and I got some initial contact but…. oh gosh… I don’t know if it is just me but two of the guys were very clingy. Texting and ringing constantly. One got aggressive because I did not reply immediately and the other got irate when I genuinely had to postpone our date, went mental at me. I gave him over 48 hours notice and I was travelling to see him!

    I think my takeaway from the experience is it is not for me and I cancelled my other first meet up.

    I will give it another week but I think that the people who contact me on here are needier than someone on match.com with perhaps a couple of exceptions.

    Glad other people are enjoying the experience though lol.

  247. Lainey says:

    Thanks @GentlemanSoul I can speal freely here but DEFINITELY can’t be THAT upfront in my profile which sucks actually but I’m not trying to attract “creeps” Lol

    And thanks hun, my Avi is real.

  248. Josh says:

    Kms2014

    “Am not good at any sports, but am a good sport sometimes”

    Just replace sports with sex and you’re good to go. 😉

  249. Gentleman Soul says:

    Lainey says:

    @Gentleman Soul you’d be surprised how many of us are motivated by sex. Women know after pics and initial meet whether they intend to have sex. Sex is a VERY important part of an arrangement for both parties so why not perfect it if you truly enjoy the persons company?

    Bravo !! You are a gem in girls clothing . I love it when my SB tells me what she likes -everyone is different . I’ve been at the sex game so long that most SBs ask me how I knew what to do to make her (fill in the blank ) LOL . ButI’m always open to retraining .

    @ SBs
    I like all of you lovely ladies’ Avatars . If they are the real you (nobody lies right ? ) then you are a super hot bunch of stylin’ beyotches

    Those who have posted the hot

  250. Russian SB says:

    Sure, Joseph, Jacob, Adam, Ezra, Moses, Marc, David are, usually, Jewish names.

  251. Kms2014 says:

    Is He Jewish? Could say, Y also, like Yehudi. Somehow doubt that, though, hehe.

  252. Kms2014 says:

    I looked it up…yes…кандидат в мастера спорта

    Am not good at any sports, but am a good sport sometimes (: Unless, you count flip cup back in early college days…

  253. Josh says:

    @Russian SB

    “J&M’s
    (If only not my bad English I become copywriter ! )”

    Hahahahha!

  254. Russian SB says:

    No, not correct
    J&Km’s !
    J – first, because Jewish genes are dominant !

  255. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    “@Josh, please do not keep mentioning me in posts in regards to him, then. Thanks.”

    Fair enough. 😉

  256. Russian SB says:

    J&M’s
    (If only not my bad English I become copywriter ! )

  257. Russian SB says:

    Kms, in Russian means “Kandidate in master in sports “.

  258. Kms2014 says:

    Oh gosh, RussianSB, nooooo!! Noooooo!! Hehe 😉

  259. Russian SB says:

    Fatty, I knew, you not looking for clever girls, only for dumb blonds, like me :)

  260. Russian SB says:

    Kms, why, we will invent a name for your couple like ” branjolina ” :)

  261. FatB'StardSA says:

    @RussianSB

    “SD celection of venue for first day really important to me.
    Why should I “play” modest ? I am looking out for a rich man. And he know how to impress girl. Accepting invitation to high end restourant (but not one situated at hotel because it is hidden proposal for P&P ). I filter cheap daters ( whatever their reasons can be ). It is internet, popular place to meet people (last 10 years !), but still full of risk, that I am not sign up to.”

    I was going to ask for your email but I think it is clear I cannot afford you :-).

  262. Kms2014 says:

    @DG…I like you, DG, you are pretty funny sometimes, however, Josh is in no way shape or form ‘sir Jacob’…trust me on this.

    @Josh, please do not keep mentioning me in posts in regards to him, then. Thanks.

  263. Lainey says:

    Oh wow. Lol @DorkyGuy. I think there should be a SD/SB message board to warn others of the bad seeds

  264. Russian SB says:

    SD celection of venue for first day really important to me.
    Why should I “play” modest ? I am looking out for a rich man. And he know how to impress girl. Accepting invitation to high end restourant (but not one situated at hotel because it is hidden proposal for P&P ). I filter cheap daters ( whatever their reasons can be ). It is internet, popular place to meet people (last 10 years !), but still full of risk, that I am not sign up to.

  265. DorkyGuy says:

    @Lainey~ rinser is a new term since I was on the blog a long while ago…

    I believe it refers to girls who manipulate gifts or money based on the anticipation of sex, and then poof when it is time to follow through. They make their money by going through a lot of guys… rinse and repeat.

  266. Lainey says:

    *leave me *WONDERING*

  267. Lainey says:

    @Gentleman Soul you’d be surprised how many of us are motivated by sex. Women know after pics and initial meet whether they intend to have sex. Sex is VERY important to me.I have ended arrangements because it was under par. I mean it didn’t have to be MiND BLOWING But a lot of men perform like virgins and leave me winding “who told you this was ok?!?!” If I’m looking for long term why would I want it with someone I cringe at the thought of entering me?

    With that said; WOMEN STOP LYING TO MEN ABOUT THEIR SEX GAME! The only way to improve it is to be honest and he may have to humble himself and be willing to take the criticism but it’s so much fun teaching a man what you like and learning what makes him lose his mind. Sex is a VERY important part of an arrangement for both parties so why not perfect it if you truly enjoy the persons company?

  268. Russian SB says:

    Josh, I agree with you that Dan is a lady – he too good to be true.
    I mean his dating logic, not his age. In my sugarpool many 30 y.o. , that prefer to have transactional relationship and work hard on their careers
    Vs. traditional GF why-you-always-busy-for-me histerics.

  269. DorkyGuy says:

    @Josh, LOL, yes, he may, and you know how much I am a shrinking violet when it comes to confrontation 😉

  270. Lainey says:

    What’s a rinser?

  271. Josh says:

    DorkyGuy says:
    October 7, 2014 at 11:43 am
    Or ask almighty all knowing Sir Jacob. He knows everything, I mean EVERYTHING. 😉

    Proof that Josh=Jacob? Looks like a confession to me!”

    Since I know that you are a master of using noexisting data as well as nonexisting logic (which is mighty awesome feat in itself) I am amused. Thanks for the laughs.

    Now almighty all knowing Sir Jacob will be all pissed off and let you have an earful when he reads this act of contempt of his royal honor. 😉

    Kms2014, you’re not allowed to make any silly comments here to feed fuel to the royal fire.

  272. DorkyGuy says:

    So Josh, I figured you’d have something snide to say about my advice to you yesterday. Whatever you may think of me, it was intended for your success… get you off your ass and out there actually doing it.

    How many M&G do you have set up for the next 3 days? If none, then fill it up! And have some fun too.

  273. DorkyGuy says:

    Or ask almighty all knowing Sir Jacob. He knows everything, I mean EVERYTHING. 😉

    Proof that Josh=Jacob? Looks like a confession to me!

  274. Josh says:

    @Gentleman Soul

    “@Dan
    You sound like a cute guy”

    Or a gal posting as a guy? 😉

  275. Josh says:

    @FatB’StardSA

    “Is that true Josh”

    I would not know. You might want to check with flyR=DorkyGuy. He can imagine that you’re a girl) instead of a multiple skin folds ass fat bastard) and make some stuff up for your presumably female consumption.

    Or ask almighty all knowing Sir Jacob. He knows everything, I mean EVERYTHING. 😉

    @Kms2014, and not it is NOT OK to pass a naughty remark here.

  276. Gentleman Soul says:

    @Dan

    You sound like a cute guy –I assume you are single ? Being young(31) and single are 2 huge advantages in the sugar life .1) you can date in public at will and 2) you appeal to young girls as an IRL potential BF as well as an SD. Probably 30 -40 is the optimal time to be an SD . I can not date out in my community due to my married status and knowing half the city . Therefore my M&Gs have to be even more brief and secluded than others . If I were single I would probably just Sugar Date -like Josh -and not look for the IRL angst that committed couples constantly deal with . An ideal M&G would be a fantastic dinner ,then retire to the Hotel for dessert . I have to skip dinner and meet at the Hotel .That does eliminate SBs who actually want a relationship and not just a payday . Someone mentioned earlier that the SB’s payoff is good sex . This is obviously a male point of view . IMHO very few Girls are motivated by sex skills ,penis size ,etc. They want security and respect 1st ,then the sex can follow and be enjoyed by some .

    @Rachel

    Performance review ? Sure,why not ? Perhaps understated ,like ” Baby,am I taking care of everything you need me to be ? ” Every guy wants his girl to be taking care of business sexually as well as emotionally .

  277. Petite says:

    “I don’t know if we will come to an arrangement but you need to know that you are truly beautiful. And no matter what you may have thought or what someone might have said to you along the way, you are worthy of being loved because it’s obvious you have so much love to give.”

    I think I threw up in my mouth a little bit. Do all SDs assume we have some crazy self-esteem issues and that this would work as a pick-up line? Yikes. Sincerity goes a long way.

  278. Josh says:

    Rachel SB says:

    “So SD’s… what are your thoughts on the Perfect Arrangement as Kirsten has explained it thus far?

    As long as Brandon makes a boatload of money WITHOUT egging the SBs on, I am fine with it.

  279. Rachel SB says:

    Rachel back for another tangent….
    I’ve been thinking about the Perfect Arrangement site or add-on that is about to come out. Obviously I LOVE the idea. However, I’m curious how it will stack up to similar (yet completely different due to the arrangement aspect) companies/sites like “It’s Just Lunch”.

    Frankly I love all these ideas for busy professionals, in fact I applied to work for a company similar to It’s just lunch because I love the idea so much, and I think I have a good understanding of what a busy male professional is interested in.

    So SD’s… what are your thoughts on the Perfect Arrangement as Kirsten has explained it thus far? Pros? Cons?

    Oh… shameless plug… Kirsten, I’d be open to a potential opportunity within. :) PM me if you’d like. I’m certain you will find my professional experience and education a fit within any organization.

  280. DorkyGuy says:

    @FB~ LOL!

    @Jacob~ Totally agree, in person is far superior. I detest texting… with a passion. Just don’t do it.

    I still don’t see what choice of the M&G venue has to do with a texting game though. Isn’t it the same amount of effort to say “Hey, let’s meet for a quick coffee at Starbuck” than to say “Hey, let my limo pick you up, we are dining at Le Chateau Du Luxe”? Either way, you end up face to face, without a texting game.

  281. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Jacob

    “find out about her eating mannerism, conversational intonation, finickiness, propensity to sharing food, etc., etc..”

    I can do all of that over a beer at a pub. You are the one with a 99+% success rate though so I suppose I should not be arguing with you.

  282. FatB'StardSA says:

    “Any pimply faced moron living in his parents’ basement can hone a texting game.”

    Is that true Josh, do you have a honed texting game? :-) Could not resist that one!

    For what it’s worth most of the SB’s I have met preferred to meet for a quick lunch or coffee because they do not want to spend a whole evening having dinner with someone they don’t get along with or are ashamed to be seen with. I think meeting SB’s who love to meet at an expensive restaurant will attract more rinsers.

  283. Jacob says:

    “I don’t understand how the selection of the venue for the M&G has anything to do with blowing up phones or texting games. ???”

    Communicating in person, face to face, to have the relevant questions answered, instead of communicating via texting. Much higher bandwidth, and find out about her eating mannerism, conversational intonation, finickiness, propensity to sharing food, etc., etc.. Much higher bandwidth than texting.

  284. DorkyGuy says:

    To me, a 1-2hr lunch/dinner (plus 15min-30min drive) is much less costly than blowing up the phone over multiple evenings. Any pimply faced moron living in his parents’ basement can hone a texting game; why would I want to compete in that game? Whereas I have to have lunch/dinner twice a day anyway.

    I don’t understand how the selection of the venue for the M&G has anything to do with blowing up phones or texting games. ???

  285. Josh says:

    @Jacob

    ““She was a lot of fun.”

    That’s how it should be. She can stay as long as she continues to be a lot of fun.”

    That’s right. I am primarily looking for fun dates with various levels of adult content.

  286. afri says:

    what about a POT who loves to talk and is anticipating what HE wants but never wants to talk about what YOU want…annoying

  287. FatB'StardSA says:

    “99+% showing up for 1st date if appointment is made and not cancelled ahead of time.”

    I am with DorkeyGuy on this one. Sounds like bullshit to me unless you are promising the SB money to show up or “cancelled ahead of time” includes canceling 20 minutes before the meet which I would count as flaking.

  288. DorkyGuy says:

    @Jacob~ I can see how your approach would have better “flake factor” than the person who just arranges casual coffee dates for the M&G. A lot of SDs prefer not to invest into expensive outing for the first meet, because of the chance that she isn’t as advertised. What steps do you take to mitigate that?

  289. Dan says:

    @Rachel “all SD’s – Let me ask you this…. When in my arrangements, during the arrangement conversation, I’ve asked my SD’s for a “performance review” on a monthly basis at first, then as our relationship progresses on a quarterly basis. Now I don’t mean on a physical level, but on a “hey, I want to make sure your needs, wants, and desires are being fulfilled” level. Because if they’re not, I’d like to discuss why not. If it’s something I can’t change, I’d like to terminate the arrangement before resentment sets in and we are no longer friends. After all this is a FWB type relationship and I still talk to my past 2 SD’s.

    Thoughts gents?

    Don’t overthink it. It isn’t your responsibility to make sure things are working. It’s on the both of you. A performance review seems extreme. When something isn’t working for me, I flat out come and and say it. I think if I’m still seeing someone after a few months, it’s usually because of the opposite and that it’s working. If there is an issue, bring it up right away vs. waiting a month.

    On the SD’s side. Don’t accumulate ammo. If there’s an issue be honest. Don’t wait a month and then use it as an excuse to terminate things. Realize that regardless of the money aspect, someone is chosing to be in your life. If you treat someone like an object or accumulate ammo to eventually dismiss them then you are missing the point of being a true SD. Real SD’s take care of their ladies. Real SDs shoul have a sense of how things work. When things are off it’s up to you to try and fix them. Women will usually invest in guys who invest in them.

  290. Jacob says:

    @Dorkster

    “do you promise a gift on the first date? That might account for your higher success rate.”

    Never. In fact, anyone asking for a gift for just showing up, I’d automatically reject. For some longer distance SB, because driving is required for both to meet in the middle, sometimes she may ask ahead of time whether I’d be ready to consummate an arrangement on 1st date if we click, after we already had much more than my usual allotment of pre-meeting message exchanges, that’s okay with me.

  291. Rachel SB says:

    Why Josh, I thought my question would elicit more from you! I couldn’t have left you speechless could I? 😉

  292. Josh says:

    @Rachel

    Interesting appeoach.

  293. Josh says:

    @SouthernSB,

    I have enjoyed your posts in the past few weeks. The latest one posted last night takes the cake.

    Thanks for sharing

  294. DorkyGuy says:

    @Jacob, do you promise a gift on the first date? That might account for your higher success rate.

  295. Rachel SB says:

    I will say I’ve only been stood up once in a first meeting environment. The POT SD did reach out to me as soon as he could (family emergency). We did meet up for coffee, on my schedule this time and he felt so badly for the previous mishap that he brought me a cute necklace with my initial on it.

  296. DorkyGuy says:

    “Your numbers are way off, as usual. I don’t believe there is a 50% failure-to-show-up rate on 1st dates; …. I have gone on more than 100 first dates from SA, and I got stood up only once” ~Jacob

    I wish SD Guru were around. He would be able to craft the perfect post to express exactly the right recipe of incredulity and bemusement at your 99% success rate claim.

    I learned not to count on them showing up on my second date, when 30 minutes after the date was scheduled to begin, she finally answered the phone, to say that she was still asleep and hung over from a party the night before. Also, I learned (per DarkHorses’s advice) to never schedule a date with a SB for the morning.

  297. Rachel SB says:

    @flyR – 50 Coffee dates to find the RIGHT SD… yes that sounds close to right. I’d have to say I met with 20-30 the first time around to find the right SD. The second time around, I only met with a handful because I was more in tune with the sugar bowl! I also am very particular of who I enter into an arrangement with.

    @Dan – For fear of sounding like a child… I adore what you write! You are literally taking the words out of my mouth!

    @Kirsten – I’m very excited about this news! Crystal Club coming to you soon!!!

    @ all SD’s – Let me ask you this…. When in my arrangements, during the arrangement conversation, I’ve asked my SD’s for a “performance review” on a monthly basis at first, then as our relationship progresses on a quarterly basis. Now I don’t mean on a physical level, but on a “hey, I want to make sure your needs, wants, and desires are being fulfilled” level. Because if they’re not, I’d like to discuss why not. If it’s something I can’t change, I’d like to terminate the arrangement before resentment sets in and we are no longer friends. After all this is a FWB type relationship and I still talk to my past 2 SD’s.

    Thoughts gents?

  298. Josh says:

    LegalBarbie28 and Lainey

    Who knows what she was up to. But she was a lot of fun.

  299. Petite says:

    @Dan
    I second what DorkyGuy said. I really look forward to hearing more from you on this blog. Your insightful and extremely articulate thoughts are appreciated.

    @SouthernSB
    GO YOU. Nothing is sexier than someone who knows and loves who they are.

  300. Shaggy says:

    The only response to a lie is to have the arrangement terminated.
    No allowance, gifts nothing.
    This site, dating site or anywhere else.

  301. Lainey says:
    October 6, 2014 at 9:48 pm
    “@Josh she wasn’t looking for an SD, she was looking for a trick.”

    Sure seems that way, especially now that he says she never answered when he called or returned his calls. She was likely just looking for something quick and easy in the first place.

  302. SouthernSB says:

    On lying about age: I never lie about my age. I’m 50 and 1/2 and I’m more than happy to own it. I know since I am just an ancient sugargrandma I get totally ignored on this blog (crickets) but in the last 1 1/2 since I have been here I have two sugardaddies (I’m in a relationship right now). One was a short term relationship that I got out of because it was a pay per meet and I wasn’t happy with it, and the man I am seeing now is a travel and gift daddy. I really don’t like calling him a daddy due to the fact that I am a grown woman and my daddy is 88 years old and lives in Jersey. Sugar has no age limit and if I can have a relationships at the age of 50 without lying, there is absolutely no reason that someone in their 30’s to lie about their age. As far as weight goes, I’m the American average, size 12 on a 5 ft. body, and I have both face and full body shots in my pictures. I’m not happy about what I look like and I’m totally aware that I need to get rid of those 30 lbs. but my sugar is paying for my gym membership so now I can work out every day and hopefully get myself in shape. He says he is very proud of me for working out. I want to get myself in shape, so that the next time I go to a convention with him I will look good in front of all his colleagues. Honesty is the best policy for anything in life and there are men out there for everyone, you just need to learn how to put your best foot forward. What I lack in fitness I pretty much make up in intelligence. I feel if a person can string two sentences together and have a sense of humor and can keep their baggage in check they can pretty much write their own ticket in life. They just have to want to do it and have good enough self-esteem and be ambitious enough. BTW, the reason I’m on SA at my age is because there is a total dearth of intelligent men who treat women like ladies in my immediate area. Plus I think sugar dating is a much more honest way of dating.

  303. Lainey says:

    @Josh she wasn’t looking for an SD, she was looking for a trick.

  304. Dan says:

    Thans Dork! It mostly comes from experience in this lifestyle… I didn’t choose it, it chose me!

  305. DorkyGuy says:

    “The sooner you establish that you’re an ally in life vs. an ATM is the sooner you’ll meet quality women.”~ Dan

    @Dan, I really hope you start posting here regularly. I thoroughly enjoy your perspective.

  306. flyR says:

    @Dorksterm – some very sound advice, also I think it’s important to broaden the throat of the net by doing more diligent searching and focusing both the searching and the approach as you go.

    SB from several years ago budgeted 50 coffee dates to find the right SD (lots budget less to find a marriage partner)

    Question for SB’s

    What are you looking for as you screen blind notes

    What are you listening for when you have a conversation with a pot

  307. Dan says:

    This place isn’t a numbers thing, it’s almost more about standing out in a crowd. There are many ways to stand out on here. First and foremost is your profile. Take more then two seconds to write it. You wouldn’t believe how many compliments I’ve gotten since I’ve done that. Allowing women to get a glimpse into my life has made them more comfortable. By the time they initiate they already know more about me, then 98% of the other profiles out there.

    Take more then two seconds after first contact before telling women how big your dick is and asking them if they like anal. Not every woman is a pro and wants to be approached aggressively. In fact the majority would prefer to talk like two adults. Weird concept eh?

    Be thourough in your contact. If you ask for pics right off the bat, make sure you have some to share too. If you message someone or someone messages you back, don’t wait a month to reply like nothing has changed. If I’m looking for an SB and we don’t talk for a month or you flake to meet, then it’s simple. You lose you’re spot in line. I don’t wait around. In fact, I probably will hold it against you.

    Try to avoid profiles that state that they are here simply because a friend told them about it or because they were curious… These are the time saver shortcuts… Be extremely gentle in your approach. Like a Gazelle in the jungle… Approach with caution. Be clear about what you want. These are usually (not always) people who aren’t even sure they want into this world. So be clear about what you want, because for the most part they won’t be.

    Don’t meet up needlessly. Make it clear on your profile, that you would rather meet for coffee vs. dates. Usually by the time I meet someone for coffee, It’s already been established that we have some type of online chemistry and usually if both parties have been up front, then it translates well to the real world. Also, coffee dates help avoid that feeling of being resentful when you know you’re not vibing with the person and you’re 10 minutes into dinner…

    Try to make a woman feel at ease up front if you are expecting any type of sexual contact. A nice gift, a reward, ensure her that you’ll take care of her and follow through. So many men make arrangements, use girls for a week or a month and then flake out on their end of the deal, you’re the assholes ruining it for the nice guys.

    On the guys end, never ever go all out for a woman up front. Example. look, I’m just in a bad spot, i owe two months rent and if I could just catch up on it, I would be willing to spend and do anything with you… bla bla bla… Even if they follow through, they’ll develop the habit of hitting you up and owing you. The problem is eventually, they’re going to hit you up for a big ticket item, and then fuck you over… So be clear about what your bottom line is, and make sure they know and understand that anything above and beyond what’s agreed to is at your discretion and not their requests. The sooner you establish that you’re an ally in life vs. an ATM is the sooner you’ll meet quality women.

    Lastly and most importantly for both sides. ASK. I’ve learned that the quickest way to a girls panties is simply honesty. If you’re up front, but polite and charming about it, then most likely you’ll get what you want. Sometimes you have to be clear without being gross. Like, hey I loved your pics. I want to give you 500$ to fuck, does that work for you? Is probably not the right approach with 80% of women on here. But saying hey, I know this might be a bit forward, but I’m looking to meet someone looking for a sexy friendship. I’m a genuinely nice man looking to meet a great woman, who would want to be spoiled and have a little fun. At this time I’m not looking for something super attached, but I’m also not looking for meaningless. I’d love to hear more about you, you’re profile caught my eye. So simple. So effective. Same request, different approach…

    The reality is were all a little slutty. We’re all a little adventurous. We all want something in our lives that we don’t currently have. Sometimes just being a nice guy is enough to stand out around here… Try it… Might take your further then you think…

  308. However, since the extent of my interest is an arrangement, the effort seems to be too much for the reward

    Yea I agree. Oh well, on to the next one!

  309. DorkyGuy says:

    Josh, if you really want to get something going, you could have 5 M&G’s lined up for tomorrow if you wanted to.

    If you want a SB, seriously, you shouldn’t be still stuck on your 2 M&G’s. You should be talking about your 20 M&G’s this month, 10 of which actually showed up, 5 of which look promising, and 2 of which might have real potential at something long-term.

    That is roughly how the numbers work out. That isn’t from me… that’s the accumulated experience of a lot of SDs who have posted here. If you go back through the blog history, there are lots of conversations from a number of SDs about how finding the right person for something long-term takes meeting a *lot* of people. And then, it ends, and they have to do it all over again. Easier for you since you don’t value connection than the rest of us, but still, you’re going to have to deal with the numbers. That means you need a lot more than 2 attempts.

    If you want something good, you have to kiss a lot of frogs.

    I am trying to offer you some good advice, which a reasonable person would accept. However, I am prepared for your typical ungracious, dismissive, and arrogant attitude. When that happens, RussianSB will probably lecture me on casting pearls before swine, but I’m a sucker sometimes.

  310. Josh says:

    I believe in people’s personal space. She’s a big girl. If I wanted to marry her I would have persued her big time.

    However, since the extent of my interest is an arrangement, the effort seems to be too much for the reward.

  311. Yea that message wasn’t wrote before I was actually able to see the other messages you posted lol

  312. Josh says:

    Sweetheart, I have her phone number, which I have called a couple of times. I must have pissed her off in some way that she does not want to even talk to me.

    My “miss her” has an extent of an arrangement, and not that I cannot live without her. 😉

  313. Yea I’ve never been on facebook lol

  314. “I have not been in touch with her for more than one year. Who knows where she is now.”

    Well if you actually miss her, you should go ahead and look her up. I’m sure she’s on one of these darn social medias. Lol

  315. Josh says:

    I guess she is on FB but I am not. Hahahaha!

    I have her phone number. She does not answer answer. I tried a couple of times to find out what was up, but she would say, “I will call you back” and never did. I don’t know where she lives now. Otherwise, I would have showed up just to find out where she was in life.

    Then again, the extent of my interest in ANY WOMAN is limited to arrangements.

  316. Petite says:

    @Raphael
    Anything’s possible. It’s the internet.

  317. Rapheal says:

    I understand a 30 plus year old woman putting down 26 to look younger, but does that mean someone listing themselves as 18 is in fact about 21 to appear even younger, or 16 or 17 in order to look legal?

  318. She’s on Facebook…go and get her :)

    *unless you mean where she is in life…

  319. Josh says:

    I have not been in touch with her for more than one year. Who knows where she is now.

  320. Kms2014 says:

    Aren’t all 20 something’s traceable of Instagram, Twitter, or FB these days?

  321. Kms2014 says:

    Find her FB page like gtt does with his SBs, Josh 😉

  322. Josh says:

    I loved to hear “daddy” from her lips, but did not take her seriously. As I said earlier, due to her one-way pursuit, I continue to miss her as a potential long-term SB. Too little too late though.

  323. Josh says:

    No. Not with any SB on SA or any of the sites.

    However, before I signed up with SA a gorgeous 23-year-old girl actively pursued me to be her sugar daddy. I was not interested at that time. I think that I hurt her feelings and she disappeared. I still kick myself for that.

    It does not mean that I have to take matters in my hands. I have not done that for ages as my needs are fully met through other non-SA, FWB type of “arrangement(s)”, which cost very little and are best of both worlds for me.

    That said, I am done with girlfriends, wives, etc. Arrangements are what I am interested in.

  324. “It seems that in certain parts of the world, the idea of allowance doesn’t seem to work. They simply want to buy you things or take you for dinner, but an ongoing allowance doesn’t quite work in this part of the world.”

    I think it’s called the Surf-n-Turf Arrangement here in the states.

    Which some may prefer over the “Two can dine for $29.99” Arrangement. Definitely more so than the “SugarDaddy dines on your dime” Arrangement.

    “The beauty of sugar is that there’s something out there for everyone!”

  325. Man that sucks! Out of curiosity Josh…. Have you ever contacted a SB that you were just so blown away by (I’m being a bit sarcastic) and told her that she is someone who you would actually date, and not just have an arrangement with? In other words, she would get the best of both worlds?

  326. Josh says:

    Correct. I have not had a very good luck recently. :(

  327. @Josh
    Haha no Josh, I’ve never been an escort. Lol although I’ve known a few of those too. LOL

    Hey whatever happened to those two SB dates you had? They go completely MIA?

  328. Petite says:

    @Angie2s
    POT= potential SB/SD

  329. S-A says:

    Interesting article – but it doesn’t necessarily equate globally. You need to write one for SD’s. Not many people know how to be a SD. Some thing taking a lady for dinner translates to an arrangement – for many attractive females, it’s something they’re offered by men outside of SA. My question, is how do you move from a “dating” option, to an arrangement. It seems that in certain parts of the world, the idea of allowance doesn’t seem to work. They simply want to buy you things or take you for dinner, but an ongoing allowance doesn’t quite work in this part of the world.

  330. Angie2s says:

    Not really new to the site, just not active on it. Can someone tell me what POT stands for?

  331. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    Is it fair to assume that if I asked you “are you one of the mass-enrolled escorts” then you will deflect that question as well?

  332. flyR says:

    Lainey – re skype

    The feedback I got from several SB’s was the skypers seemed more interested in free skypesex than meeting but it was a small sample.

  333. flyR says:

    I wonder if the tech guy who OD’s on heroin on his boat was diamond rated.

  334. But no Josh,… I’m not a “graduate lawyer”. Not yet anywhoo lol. I actually don’t even know what the hell a “graduate lawyer” is 😉

  335. @fb
    “No comment made about you actually having met many SD’s I see.”

    Well considering I’ve been on the blog for all of idk… 3 days lol, I didn’t think I had to give every single SD/SB dating experience that I’ve had. But Thursday evening, I’m meeting with a POT so I’ll make sure to give YOU personally, an update of my experience. Lol

    “Is the phrase “Terrible come back dumbass!” something they teach you in “pre-law”.”

    Nah, just something I learned in life. Just like you should have learned in life that people, both men and women, on and off this site….LIE. Stop taking it as if I personally called you a liar. Although it may be true, I Never said that. So I’m not for sure why you are so upset about that one lol.

    @Josh

    How do you know so many of them?

    I am still waiting to know how do you know such “quite a few” SBs?

    Well sir if I told ya…, I’d have to kill ya! 😉 lol

    The section you’re referring to in my profile is as follows:
    “I am a recent law graduate looking to start my own business in the near future. ”

    That’s actually you’re second time commenting with the assumption that I am a lawyer. Lol. Nowhere in my profile have I ever mentioned that I am lawyer. Nor stated a desire to be.

  336. DorkyGuy says:

    @FB/YGBKM~ True, however a guy spending $209/month for a dating website can’t be living off of welfare checks either. He’s got some disposable income to work with, or he wouldn’t be doing that.

  337. FatB'StardSA says:

    @yougottabekiddingme

    There is some truth in that diamond SD’s claim. Just remember that 4 years time is more than enough time to become bankrupt. I have to wonder about the mentality of someone sending their tax returns to a dating web site.

  338. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Russian SB

    Don’t worry about being a dumb blonde, I have to live with being a bastard. If I was nice I would not have to pay women to spend time with me :-).

  339. From a Diamond member:

    “Interesting note: [omitted] joined this site and got “diamond certified” back in 2010, when you were required to actually SEND IN YOUR TAXES to verify your income. Unfortunately, the site no longer requires that, and allows people to “self-certify” as diamond members (along with paying an exorbitant membership fee). Just know that we’re the real deal, although some of the other “diamond daddies” may not be.”

  340. Josh says:

    Josh says:
    October 5, 2014 at 10:50 am
    @LegalBarbie28

    “I know quite a few SBs myself and what I’ve realized is that a lot of them can’t spell elementary words to save their lives!”

    How do you know so many of them?

    If I am not mistaken, your profile suggests that you are an already-graduate lawyer. I am still waiting to know how you know “quite a few” such SBs who “can’t spell elementary words to save their lives”?

  341. Josh says:

    Josh says:
    October 5, 2014 at 10:50 am
    @LegalBarbie28

    “I know quite a few SBs myself and what I’ve realized is that a lot of them can’t spell elementary words to save their lives!”

    How do you know so many of them?

    I am still waiting to know how do you know such “quite a few” SBs?

  342. FatB'StardSA says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    “Terrible come back dumbass! And it’s unfortunate, however not surprising, that you missed the point.”

    No comment made about you actually having met many SD’s I see. Is the phrase “Terrible come back dumbass!” something they teach you in “pre-law”. I suggest a career change for you. Become an actress instead. If you blow enough producers you might get to play a lawyer on a TV show.

  343. Petite says:

    @DorkyGuy
    Huh, interesting…
    That would be nice– But I still think it could be integrated into the existing site.
    But I guess we’ll see when they announce it! :).

  344. DorkyGuy says:

    @Petite~ I wonder if it is a concierge matchmaking service that prescreens girls for SDs, and facilitates introductions.

  345. Petite says:

    @Kirsten
    Why a whole new site and not an integration of the “crystal club” (love that name, Rachel– I agree with DorkyGuy) into this existing one? Unless PerfectArrangment is offering something fundamentally different from SeekingArrangement and I’m missing something here…
    I understand (kind of) the creation of MissTravel (exclusively for travel arrangements) and maaaaaybe What’sYourPrice; but I don’t see the value of another arrangement site that seems to be doing the same exact thing as SeekingArrangment and SeekingMillionaire. I would think it would just spread out your userbase… The only pro I can see is for Brandon– having a new site for people to pay monthly fees for.

  346. DorkyGuy says:

    @Kirsten, I am excited to know more about PerfectArrangement… keep us posted! btw, it looks like somebody else already nabbed the perfectarrangement.com domain name. Maybe you should jump on CrystalClub.com before it’s too late. Be sure to credit Rachel for the name on the About Us page 😉

    • Kirsten says:

      @DorkyGuy – we have had many struggles with domains! They are all ridiculously overpriced! I will definitely keep you posted.

  347. @ Rachel
    “I for one think they should have a diamond club for SB’s… call it a “crystal” club or the like.”

    I too think that’s a great idea! The “Crystal Club” is too cute. I as well would take advantage of this option.

  348. Elaine says:
    October 6, 2014 at 10:10 am
    @ Dan

    Thanx for sharing!

    “I’ve had many great SB’s, and all the best ones were the ones who were real friends. If you don’t care about the person at some level, then you might as well just hire an escort.”

    Why am I not at all surprised you have found some great SBs…..

    Much agreed!

  349. FatB’StardSA says:
    October 5, 2014 at 8:18 pm
    @LegalBarbie28

    ““Actually Met”…. Hmmmm…. Don’t have to have “actually met” them sweetie.”

    Just as I suspected. You are clearly a failed SB who posts about how horrible the SD’s on the site are.

    Terrible come back dumbass! And it’s unfortunate, however not surprising, that you missed the point.

    “Many SDs lie on their profile just like Many SB’s lie on their profile.”
    Hold up… I don’t want to sound like I’m bashing SDs so let me flip it in a way that you can understand….
    “many SB’s lie on their profile just like many SD’s lie on their profile”
    Simple. It happens. Get over it!

  350. Josh says:

    @gtt_envy

    “NO, I want to stay, and gave me a kiss!!”

    There is at least one order of magnitude, if not two orders of magnitude, difference between what she may be making at a job, if she has one, and what you are paying her.

    I prefer that SBs make decisions using their grey matter rather than their sabotage matter.

    I am happy for her. More SBs making serious money is good for the sugar space. Their testimonials to their Matrix will bring more to the fold.

  351. DorkyGuy says:

    @GTT- that is awesome! So I take it you didn’t mention her Facebook post?

    You handled it a lot better than I would have. Keeping it jovial sounds like it was key.

    Next time, if she posts to FB again, will you just ignore it?

  352. Elaine says:

    @ Dan

    Thanx for sharing!

    “I’ve had many great SB’s, and all the best ones were the ones who were real friends. If you don’t care about the person at some level, then you might as well just hire an escort.”

    Why am I not at all surprised you have found some great SBs…..

  353. Lainey says:

    Another thing: I have in my profile that I’m willing to Skype to avoid “catfishing”, on my profiles in other sites men LOVE this idea. HERE, not so much. Wonder why that is

  354. Lainey says:

    Here is something i think is silly. After picture approval there is no option to change a pic from public to private and vice versa. So you have to go through pic approval ALL OVER AGAIN.

    Please someone tell me I’m wrong and am simply not seeing the icon

  355. Lainey says:

    Wait so if I’m 26, I’m 30? NOOOOOO

  356. Nicegirl says:

    “The 30+ bracket is interesting. Personally, when I get back out there, early 30′s would work well for me, because I would like plausibly age appropriate when out in public. I fall in the Dan/Flyr spectrum of wanting a long-term connection, more than just sex.”

    This is exactly why SD’s choose an older SB. They will easily be able to go out on dates or take them to work events without standing out… except for the fact that they are with a beautiful woman of course! Usually older SB’s are looking or a relationship beyond meeting and having sex. As for sex, being with a more experienced woman has to be a plus for an SD too ;o)

  357. flyR says:

    @Rachel “Allow us SB’s the opportunity to verify we are who and what we say we are. Maybe even have an age RANGE so it attracts more SB’s to join the club. Go ahead, verify my job, age, education, background, credit, etc.”

    I like the age range, I think the reason for the specific age may have to do with data gathering . It also allows the search to cover different ranges. Overall a good idea if the search options are like most others where you can pick the groups you want searched.

    My initial objection is that it’s way too much information for SA to have and too tempting to sell, including to the feds. If you have a profile here a bunch of federally paid “pervs ” will look at your profile and estimate the amount of cash income you failed to report last year.

    I considered getting verified but looked at the privacy policy of the private company (it’s ours to do what we want with it) and your recourse – binding arbitration in their city at your cost under rules where they can not loose. It was funny as there were some serious editing goofs in the arbitration policy indicating that nobody ever read it.

    A minor suggestion for searching is to use the sort by most recent signon rather than the default profile date (date of last update) My take is that there is seldom any benefit in contacting someone who has not been on in 2 weeks unless they are so spectacular that you hope get them to respond to the email from sa saying they have mail. Someone who signed on for kicks two weeks ago and never came back would appear ahead of someone who has been here for two months and diligently reading mail.

  358. DorkyGuy says:

    @RachelSB~ It sounds like a great idea! There was once discussion about a referral/voting system, where SBs or SDs could get endorsements from people they have been with. I thought it sounded like a good idea, but the consensus is that most wouldn’t be willing to participate

  359. DorkyGuy says:

    @NG~ I totally get that… Petite was right on there… if your conscience bothers you, don’t do it. To thine own self, be true!

    IMO, there are only two exceptions in life… dating profiles, and when people ask you how they look.

    The 30+ bracket is interesting. Personally, when I get back out there, early 30’s would work well for me, because I would like plausibly age appropriate when out in public. I fall in the Dan/Flyr spectrum of wanting a long-term connection, more than just sex.

  360. flyR says:

    @Rachel

    There are two places where self description impacts responses.

    The first is the hidden one, SD searching by body type.

    The second is SD reading your profile and seeing your description.

    A good body/leg photo ( noting racy required and face can be turned away ) can be worth 1,000 words. A frown has the equivalent of adding 30 pounds.

    I would lean towards athletic as a descriptor . Personally when I searched I did not filter by body type, not because it did not matter but because it is part of the package unless the SD is fixated on the near anorexic

    Age – You simply have to find your way. Probably easier in larger areas. If I got an unsolicited note and there’s a substantial age gap I would note it in my reply and ask if they would be comfortable. A fairly common comment is that I am tired of men near my age group.

    Most of you are too young to remember Henry Kissinger, the brilliant , rumpled Secretary of State. He usually turned up at official events with an intelligent, articulate and brilliant woman many decades younger.

  361. Rachel SB says:

    If they had a “diamond” club for SB’s, I’d be one of the first to join. I am who I say I am (except for my screen name, but when they pass the initial steps, they get my real name). I don’t dance around topics, I am an open book. It’s who I am, and I don’t change who I am for anyone.

    I for one think they should have a diamond club for SB’s… call it a “crystal” club or the like.

    Allow us SB’s the opportunity to verify we are who and what we say we are. Maybe even have an age RANGE so it attracts more SB’s to join the club. Go ahead, verify my job, age, education, background, credit, etc.

    Am I onto something or do I need to get some sleep?

    Hint Hint Brandon Wade & Kirsten and anyone else who has SA’s ear!

    • Kirsten says:

      @Rachel – we are currently working on a project to be launched this fall that is exactly what you are talking about. Please look for news about PerfectArrangement coming soon!

  362. Petite says:

    @Nicegirl
    I have seen a few profiles specifically asking for women over 30; so rest assured they are out there and they are looking for you :). And you’re completely right; it’s all how you would like to be seen and how you would like to be “advertised”. I put my actual age on my profile (22), but I have a good friend who likes to roleplay the “naughty schoolgirl” and puts herself as 18 even though she’s 21. It’s not a huge difference in age, but it makes a huge difference in the people she attracts.

  363. Nicegirl says:

    Josh. I don’t need it. I am a tiny bit surprised you don’t want to offer it but I am good with your silence ;o)

  364. Nicegirl says:

    @Dorky… No worries. I was really thinking someone else might be the ranter at my question not you! lol

    I know I have considered fibbing a bit on my age but in the end I don’t because I hate to start a possible relationship off on the wrong foot. I just wondered what the consensus was on lying about age. It did take me a long time to find an SD and I know it was because I did not lie but I am happy that I found someone that was looking for an SB that was over 30… That sounds rare but there are more of them out there than you would think. I hate having a guilty conscious!

  365. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl

    “lol, I wanted your opinion… I know that probably shocks the shit out of you and it might not happen again for a very, very long time. But I do!!!”

    Sorry dear. I don’t believe that you need my “opinion”. Ask flyR/DorkyGuy. He will give you clueless, logic-challenged opinions of your liking.

  366. DorkyGuy says:

    @Josh~ There is NO WAY IN HELL you are an active SD. None. Active SDs are out actively SD’ing, not spending all day every day on a blog.

    For someone who advocates honesty, you should just come out and be honest that you have no real experience, instead of pretending that you do.

  367. Petite says:

    @Lainey
    I have the exact opposite “problem”– Lots of men in the 6′-6’5″ range message me and I’m barely 5′. It doesn’t bother me at all considering everyone is taller than me. If someone wants to be out with me, they know they’re going to be seen by other people. And if they don’t care, it doesn’t bother me at all. Although… I do typically stay with the under 35 age range for men– I don’t want anyone thinking I’m someone’s teenage daughter and then give them a heart attack when we start making out. Heart attacks are bad.

    @Rachel
    First off, you’re very beautiful. Secondly, put whatever is going to make you feel comfortable. If fibbing the answers on age makes you uncomfortable- don’t do it. If you feel the pay off would be beneficial enough- do it. As far as body weight goes… If you teach fitness, why wouldn’t “athletic” be an option? It doesn’t give the illusion of skin-and-bones slim and it doesn’t put you in a category that (I think) may cut you out of the running for some men. Maybe I’m missing something…

    @Josh
    At least DorkyGuy’s post are fun/funny to read. Yours are starting to remind me of another poster…

  368. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    First of all I am active SD. So STOP writing whatever you feel like it without any relevance to reality, like you continue to do so.

    When was the last time you saw me claiming that people either SBs or SDs are totally honest with their peofiles?

    People are going to lie to improve their odds. Stop talking down to SBs under either of your ids.

    Case in point, Rachel made it very clear that she did not want to lie, and you are asking her to lie.

    Again, as far as I am concerned, Rachel is gorgeous and DOES NOT need to lie about anything in the profile.

    If anything she needs to cut down a lot of verbiage in her profile.

    However, if I edited the profile for her consideration, you will put you clueless two cents just because you can type. 😉

  369. DorkyGuy says:

    @NG~ I apologize for the rant… It wasn’t directed at you. Josh has a history of offering really bad advice to SBs (not on this topic only), and it annoys the hell out of me.

    Personally, I wouldn’t mind discovering she had fibbed to game the system, as long as she disclosed it early. If she carried a lie long-term, it would really bug me to discover it down the road.

  370. Nicegirl says:

    lol, I wanted your opinion… I know that probably shocks the shit out of you and it might not happen again for a very, very long time. But I do!!!

  371. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl,

    Shouldn’t you be directing these questions to DorkyGuy who is advising Rachel to lie?

  372. Nicegirl says:

    May I ask a question and not get blown away by ranting? At the end of the day if an SB looks great – in her late 20’s but is really in her mid 30’s does it really matter? I have seen woman in their early 20’s that look terrible. Age should not be the main search criteria. I do understand what Dorky is saying but many SB’s may feel like lying about something like age is starting a possibly great relationship off on the wrong foot. Am I completely off base with that?

  373. DorkyGuy says:

    “Use whatever category you feel like it depending on how you currently look. … don’t let the classification bother you too much” ~Josh

    Of course the classification matters, because men filter search results on classification, and your choice impacts your exposure in search results. You really don’t have a clue, do you?

    How about you try for once to actually offer SBs advice that is *helpful* to them. Your advice appears to be completely ignorant of the odds they face, or the tactics that their competition uses.

    This belies your utter lack of real experience. All of your advice appears to be based on how you think the world should be, according to Josh, instead of how it actually is.

    Bth flyR and DorkyGuy covertly or overtly advise SBs to lie.

    I wish that that everyone were honest in their dating profiles. In a perfect world, they would be. You could read a profile and take the man or woman at their word. He makes $500k/year, not $100k. She is 34 years old, not 45.

    The ugly truth is that people adjust for lying when they read your profile. If Rachel lists that she is 34, the truth is that most men are going to think that she is probably 40+.

  374. Nicegirl says:

    Josh, wouldn’t you be annoyed if and when you found out she was really 5 years older than she said? Or would you let it slide if you liked her enough? At what point should she tell the truth? Or never tell the truth? Just curious what your thoughts were.

  375. Josh says:

    “If you believe you can pass for under 30, I would consider setting your age to 28.”

    As anticipated, here comes the overt advice to lie from flyR=DorkyGuy. Tsk tsk. :(

  376. Josh says:

    By being honest with yourself, and not playing the game, you may actually be harming yourself.”

    Bth flyR and DorkyGuy covertly or overtly advise SBs to lie.

    I believe flyR = DorkyGuy.

  377. Nicegirl says:

    I think honesty is the best policy with age and body type. Rachel, you probably are slim but not anorexic (which is what I think some SD’s actually consider slim!)Check the “slim” box and Show a good profile pic that shows your slim figure and go from there. I believe most go by the visual and less by the description unless it is a filter set only on slim. I am curvy but that tends to indicate fat – I am far from fat but I have a BUTT and chest so I describe myself as average because I am not slim nor fat… what a predicament!!! ugh. Oh well, it is what it is and you will be fine in the end ;o) good luck!

  378. gtt_envy says:

    **gauged lol**

  379. DorkyGuy says:

    @Rachel~ Hopefully other SBs in your age bracket will chime in here…

    Many people mistakenly think the purpose of a profile is to sell yourself as an SB. It isn’t. The purpose of a profile is to get the conversation started. The sales job takes place in the conversation.

    Tactically, I believe most SDs set the top of their age range to 29 (or lower), and they understand they’ll get some 30+ women in that group. If you believe you can pass for under 30, I would consider setting your age to 28.

    That gets you into their search results, and gets the conversation started. Once you have a rapport, you have the option to divulge that you fibbed your age to get into the under 30 search results, so as not to be caught in the lie later. It would be good to get some active SDs’ take on how they would respond to that revelation. Probably most wouldn’t care as long as you are hot and enthusiastic.

    Since I was last active, I hear they have done some work to introduce verification though… I don’t know if that includes age verification.

  380. Josh says:

    @Rachel SB

    You’re gorgeous. Use whatever category you feel like it depending on how you currently look.

    If you look like the one in red outfit, use slim by all means.

    If you look like the one in the see-thru white top with jeans you can use either slim or average.

    All said, don’t let the classification bother you too much.

  381. gtt_envy says:

    @Dan, the owning up won’t happen just like many SD’s lie about their status, so do SB’s. It’s easier to ask for forgiveness then permission 😉

    You hit on the head what I’ve said for years…….”Real friends” “Truly care” it’s the emotional piece that makes it great. Robotic sex no matter how hot she is….is avg at best and feels woefully transactional. Good luck finding the ones you really click with it’s always what I seek too.

    @Josh & Dorky, as far as last night. I gave her a out 😉 and gaged her response. Once she showed and we chatted I said “Sometimes I feel like you aren’t really into this as much as I would want you to be. It makes it feel transactional to me…..so, I was thinking I could just give you XXX and we could go our separate ways? By all means if I misread you say something lol” This came out much more jovial then these words portray including the body language.

    Needless to say she was like “NO, I want to stay, and gave me a kiss!!” The night proceeded as I would have wanted it too.

    Fun girl!! Just not good at the emotional piece or as Dan said “Truly friends”.

    Happy Sugaring and Happy Monday!!

  382. Rachel SB says:

    @DorkyGuy – So seeing I’m honestly 34 (yes I said it!) I should thereby put I am 30? LOL. The harming myself is what I’m fearful of. I don’t want to box myself out of exposure.

    @Dan – I love what you wrote, it is the appropriate way of viewing the SB/SD relationship! Thank you for speaking out!

  383. DorkyGuy says:

    @Dan~ spot on!

    @NG/Rachel~ On the body type discussion… IMHO, the fact that so many girls (and guys) fib on their profiles has changed their definitions. 29 years old now means she is 33+. Slim now means Average. Average now means “I am fat, and fibbing”. Etc. People are wise to this, and adjust their search criteria accordingly. By being honest with yourself, and not playing the game, you may actually be harming yourself.

  384. Rachel SB says:

    @ Nicegirl – I agree. I don’t know why some men have felt obligated to email me to say that I am not as described. I used to have myself listed as slim seeing I taught fitness 4 times a week for about 3-4 hours… I truly was slim. But, I had an incident that required me to not workout in the fashion I was accustomed to for some time. So, in MY mind, I’m not slim anymore because I am softer than I was. Due to those emails, I’ve changed my body type on my profile to “average”.

    I think I’d rather have a POT surprised that I’m not average than disappointed that I’m not his idea of slim.

  385. Dan says:

    I think guys have to try and stop being clever. Clearly it doesn’t matter what kind of SB you’re looking for, you want affection to be part of the package. I always advertise on my profile that I’m not looking for something platonic. So when an SB reaches out she is aware of what I want and don’t want. Part of this for me is eliminating the dating games. When you are successful you have women who fall into you’re life for all the wrong reasons. So if an SB is able to be up front and say this is what I need then I’m cool with that.

    I don’t deal with girls who think their presence is enough. I’m not a loser, I have a million friends and access to women. So when I’m with someone I want someone who is happy to be with me. When a girl straight up says I’m not interested in anything sexual it’s more then ok. Just understand that then you’re probably not for me. Eliminating that possibility straight up says you are selfish or entitled and probably not in this to develop any type of real friendship, which is what I look for most in any arrangement.

    You should both be bringing something to each others lives that enhance and not detract. Unfortunately if I have to chose between an SB who is open minded and one who thinks that money grows on trees and tits are a rare currency then I’ll probably chose option A everytime.

    Other tips for new SB’s…

    Be yourself. Understand that most successful men have their choice of the litter. So be yourself. If they’ve decided they want you as your SB it’s because they see something in you. When you do this enough, you kind of spot fake from a mile away.

    Understand that these things have the potential to be temporary. There’s no guarantees on how long these things last.

    Be up front. I don’t mind when someone has baggage as long as they own it. If you have a boyfriend or other SD’s, or you’re an escort in real life, or married, own that shit… Women try to game rich dudes all the time. And you might think that a man wants to be made to feel like the only one, but most of us are secure enough to understand the role we play in your life. If I meet someone and spoil her and look out for her, and 3-4 months down the line I find out she has a bf, then things usually will end. Not because I expect monogamy but because I don’t look out for women who lie to my face

    Respect yourself. Understand that no amount of money is worth sacrificing your dignity. You still have to live with yourself at the end of the day. Sometimes it’s better to say I’m not interested, then have to deal with fallout.

    Invest in building your friendship. If it’s just a money thing or a tits and ass thing, then it won’t last long. Guaranteed. All this stuff should be a background to the friendship.

    These things are almost like a reverse relationship for me. I don’t feel like courting someone like I would if I was dating in real life. I have my starting point, and yeah it usually starts at the affection part, and as things go you build trust and chemistry and friendship. I’ve had many great SB’s, and all the best ones were the ones who were real friends. If you don’t care about the person at some level, then you might as well just hire an escort.

  386. Nicegirl says:

    @ Rachel “Now I understand every man’s idea of slim, athletic, average,etc varies. I wish there was not a selection there because I don’t want to pigeon hole myself in a category that I shouldn’t be in.”

    I think checking a body type box is ridiculous. Almost every SD says they are “average” or “athletic” but as we know that is a matter of opinion in many cases. I go more on pics than the description (unless they say they have a little extra padding). I am surprised that you are getting comments like that when you have pics posted. If an SD were to waste their time sending a message like that then I would assume they are not worth your time anyway.

  387. Nicegirl says:

    @FlyR “Think of SA as a giant used car lot. Some (of both sexes) are exactly as advertised, some a little less and others have been recovered from the wrecking yard ….. Few advertisements note runs poorly, requires weekly maintenance and rust spots under the fresh coat of paint.”

    LOL – This is truer than one would like to believe or admit at times

  388. Rachel SB says:

    Hi Elaine! Thanks for looking… my concern was the “body type” That’s what I’ve been getting a bunch of flack on. So you think I should change it from “average” to “slim”?

  389. Elaine says:

    @Rachel

    I am not an SD but anyway was so free to check your profile and I see nothing wrong in it, nice pictures of a good looking, slim lady with curves in the right places :-)

    See no reasons why you should not find an SD!

    Good luck!

  390. Rachel SB says:

    Thanks DG! You and Josh are always entertaining with your banter.

  391. DorkyGuy says:

    @Rachel, glad to help if we can… just so you know, neither Josh nor I are active SDs.

    I won’t address your point personally because you need advice from people who are actually doing it. Josh will gladly pontificate at you that he knows everything, however he’s just speculating from his parents’ basement.

    The best source of good feedback will be Flyr, FatBastard, GTT, and gentle soul.

  392. Josh says:

    @Elaine
    “Because of your height or because you are wearing your $3000 purse? :-)”

    Because Lainey is the best thing that ever happened to that guy, right girl? 😉

    It’s definitely not the purse because few women may be able to differentiate between a $300 and a $3000 purse but–aside from a few Roosh V disciples here–almost zero percent of men can.

  393. Elaine says:

    @ Lainey

    “you probably shouldn’t be seen in public with the chick that makes everyone look at you guys and think “either he has a big dick or a big wallet!”

    And why exactly should everyone think that?
    Because of your height or because you are wearing your $3000 purse? :-)

  394. Josh says:

    @Lainey

    “@Josh you’re missing the point.”

    Of course I am. That’s my purpose in life. 😉

    “either he has a big dick or a big wallet!”

    Sweetheart, for the purposes of sugar, it’s the latter AND more likely than not he won’t be walking around in public with you any way.

    “Stacked Amazon on your arm is probably not the way to be discrete lol.”

    Who cares about being discrete if they spend most of the time in private with you. “Stacked Amazon” may even be the very reason for their messages.

    “The men are 5’7/5’8 that im referring to”

    33% of male US population has sub 5′-8″ height. 34% in in the 5′-9 to 5′-10″ range and 33″% taller than that.

    “Height has NOTHING to do with it being “eharmony, match or POF””

    Of course not. What was I even thinking. Silly me. [Slapping my own wrists.] 😉

    “@DorkyGuy Yea I definitely agree with that assessment.”

    I guess I may just skip your posts. DorkyGuy is your go-to guy for advice. 😉

  395. Shaggy says:

    “ys_pls_sir2 says:
    Changing out of dress into jeans and going to local pub – no use wasting a good hair day. I wish I could be cocky and say that it’s his loss but really my pride is wounded a little and I’m at a loss as to why someone would behave like that. If I were a man I would be mortified if I showed such a lack of character. I don’t care if you’re a rich SD or a struggling SB, show respect above all. If you can’t remember that basic tenant, then write it down.”

    This is one of the reasons that men come to SA, women do it ALL THE TIME.
    Now look in the mirror and honestly say to yourself you have never flaked on a date (dinner or coffee) or an outing with a guy.
    And no there are no situations that “don’t count”, they all count.
    If the answer is “never” you are one of the many few, which is why i doubt it.
    And yeah it does suck.

  396. Lainey says:

    @DorkyGuy Yea I definitely agree with that assessment.

  397. Lainey says:

    Also I never said I had a problem with them being shorter. And even if they like taller women I’m not a tall thin model. I’m shaped nearly identical to Kim K, but my boobs are bigger (36H natural) and I’m 5’11.. so Yea. Stacked Amazon on your arm is probably not the way to be discrete lol.

    P.S. The men are 5’7/5’8 that im referring to

  398. Lainey says:

    @Josh you’re missing the point. Height has NOTHING to do with it being “eharmony, match or POF” .. POINT IS if you claim to be SOOO big on discretion than you probably shouldn’t be seen in public with the chick that makes everyone look at you guys and think “either he has a big dick or a big wallet!”

  399. Elaine says:

    @ Lainey

    Maybe some men just like tall women?

    All (ex) models are tall and even if I prefer men taller as I am, I get shorter men messaging me too.
    Some time ago even one 20 cm. shorter contacted me, sort of fetish …

    Anyway, Mick Jagger, Rod Steward, Tom Cruise -to name a few- didn’t seem to have problems with taller women…
    As didn’t their (ex) GF/wives.

  400. Josh says:

    @Bob

    “This is plainly written by one of the web sites administrator.”

    Why do you think some of us don’t know it already? Read my comment on: October 1, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    “Jesus Christ y’all are a bunch of idiots.”

    Fuck off. Now let’s see if you will come back whining or not. 😉

  401. Bob says:

    This is plainly written by one of the web sites administrator. Jesus Christ y’all are a bunch of idiots.

  402. flyR says:

    @Lainey “So why is every SD EXCEPT 1 that has messaged me shorter than me? I’m 5’11. 6’4 with heels on. How could they even be ok with that? Lol. Talk about throwing discretion out the window.”

    Well, what did you put in your profile? No short guys need apply?
    It’s purely your decision but don’t imagine that men are mind readers. Many taller women are comfortable with men shorter than they are, especially in a relationship that is not going to generate children.

    It’s your lead but understand that every limit you place on your SD pool limits the number of SD’s in your pool. You might take a sheet of paper and list all the characteristics you want in your ideal SD and then segregate the wants into

    Must have

    Should have

    Like to have

    There’s a point of diminishing returns when your criteria becomes so selective that you pass out of the sugar world into that of a volunteer booty call on demand.

  403. DorkyGuy says:

    Josh, because every SD is exactly like you, and you are the authority and model of SDs everywhere, is that right?

    This universe is more varied than you think.

    Must you dismiss every viewpoint that doesn’t correlate with your delusional view that the entire world is exactly as you declare it to be?

  404. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    Must you write silly stuff without thinking?

    If have a strong feeling that FlyR = DorkyGuy.

  405. Josh says:

    6. Banging taller girls through arrangement “may” have been their fantasy as every woman, and her sisters, and her cousins and her friends, and her friends’ friends prefer “tall, dark, handsome” man. So the shorter men with money are trying to live their fantasy through sugar. Who knows?

    You should be focusing if he is loaded and respects you. The other things may better be ignored for a successful sugar rush.

  406. DorkyGuy says:

    Lainey, I suspect that most of the messages you have received, the gentleman never read your profile. He likely messaged you based on photos alone, and has no idea of your height.

    I bet the vast majority of initial messages from both sides are cut/paste jobs sent indiscriminately in order to cast a very wide net.

  407. Josh says:

    @Lainey

    “So why is every SD EXCEPT 1 that has messaged me shorter than me? I’m 5’11. 6’4 with heels on. How could they even be ok with that? Lol. Talk about throwing discretion out the window.”

    Sweetheart, repeat after me until your jaws start hurting… 😉

    This is NOT Eharmony, Match or POF.
    This is NOT Eharmony, Match or POF.
    This is NOT Eharmony, Match or POF.
    This is NOT Eharmony, Match or POF.
    This is NOT Eharmony, Match or POF.
    This is NOT Eharmony, Match or POF.
    This is NOT Eharmony, Match or POF.

    1. When you are in bed heels don’t matter

    2. Some men may like how taller girls feel when they are positioned in certain way

    3. Many (of course not all) shorter girls tend to be passive aggressive so even shorter men may not have a preference for them

    4. Most men will not arrange with you to make you their “looking up to” arm candy

    3. Etc., etc., etc.

    You get the picture? 😉

  408. Lainey says:

    So why is every SD EXCEPT 1 that has messaged me shorter than me? I’m 5’11. 6’4 with heels on. How could they even be ok with that? Lol. Talk about throwing discretion out the window.

  409. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy, you know yourself better than anyone else. So your expansion upon your own cluelessness would be more original and authentic than anyone else’s. 😉

  410. Josh says:

    When I say that you want to tell them what you are going to do for SD to make his day/night better than it may be without you, everything you say is NON SEXUAL. You want to convince them that you have what it takes to enrich their lives non sexually and sex is icing on the cake. That said, please don’t use idiotic cliches like “lady on the street and freak in the sheet” so shit like that. That cheapens your USP.

    Sex is pretty much implied regardless of how many SBs try to advise/convince you otherwise with their fantastic accounts of how their unicorn SDs spoiled them because they were merely their “arm candy.”

  411. DorkyGuy says:

    You forgot old, and logically fallicious. flaccid? fallaciferous. whatever…

  412. Josh says:

    And always keep in mind that flyR is a bullshitter, and DorkyGuy is clueless. They just have an itch to type on the SA blog. 😉

  413. Josh says:

    @BabySB

    “If I initiate contact do I come off as too eager? What should I say/not say?
    @Josh I’m looking forward to your response”

    Sweetheart this is NOT Eharmoney, Match or even POF. SA DOES NOT mean same old dating plus money.

    The the ratio between SBs and SDs at SA is in SDs’ favor. There is a good reason for that. Most SBs make $2.13/hour plus tips minus taxes, and most SDs make a hell of a lot more than that, and are here to spread their wealth with those who are willing to spread what SDs want them to spread. 😉

    So it is better for you to initiate contact before the next girl does. What should you say depends on what are your “unique selling proposition” of USP in the marketing lingo. You want to tell them what you are going to do for SD to make his day/night better that it may be without you.

    What you don’t want to tell them is something like “I am horny right now and I want you inside me” or a variation of that. You also don’t want to tell them “you have no idea how lucky you are because me the princess have chosen to contact you” or a variation of that. You also don’t want to tell them that “I can’t breath unless you Western Union $X to me now” or a variation of that.

    I hope you get the picture…

  414. FatB'StardSA says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    ““Actually Met”…. Hmmmm…. Don’t have to have “actually met” them sweetie.”

    Just as I suspected. You are clearly a failed SB who posts about how horrible the SD’s on the site are.

    @FitForLife

    “Some people choose to believe their dead relatives watch over and guide them, some choose to believe the moon landing was a government conspiracy, and some choose to believe aliens inseminated a young, developing Earth with their own DNA to springboard life on this planet.”

    Many very intelligent people believe in the above conspiracy theories. The only person who would believe your claim that “every man with whom I’ve corresponded, thus far, has been within 10 years of my age. And finally, yes, that includes younger guys!” probably wears a tinfoil hat.

    Have a nice day :-)

  415. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    “Question: If you drop a baby, is there a 5 second rule?”

    The 5 second rule, if any, only applies if the baby is dry. The split second rule applies when the baby is wet. 😉

  416. BabySB says:

    ok next question. If I initiate contact do I come off as too eager? What should I say/not say?
    @Josh I’m looking forward to your response

  417. DorkyGuy says:

    Question: If you drop a baby, is there a 5 second rule?

    @Josh~ Lol, no, I haven’t. Why would I? 80% of what I say isn’t intended to be literal.

  418. Brooklyn says:

    @Josh PM me please

  419. Josh says:

    And thanks to Brandon’s marketing machine, the “hitting the jackpot” factor is way too alluring as well at SA. 😉

  420. Josh says:

    The gap between making $2.13+tips (minus taxes) and getting $200-$500 (while wishing $10,000) for a couple of hours is just too big to fill. 😉

  421. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    “lol, it looks like the king of logical fallacy has a determined understudy!”

    And have you studied the logical fallacies in this statement yet?

  422. Petite says:

    @Kms
    Thanks for articulating better than me.
    I agree that there is truth to what Josh has said, but I think there are “better” choices for your own personal welfare if meeting someone from SA is dreaded

  423. Petite says:

    By healthcare, I mean insurance– my dad’s coverage is better than mine.

  424. Petite says:

    @Josh
    I love my job because I chose to do something that I am good at and enjoy doing.
    Since 18, the only thing I’ve relied on my parents for has been healthcare (VERY grateful for that) and I’ve paid all the expenses attached to that.
    I think that when there are other people involved, you shouldn’t phone it in. It’s pretty obvious when someone is doing something begrudgingly. (Oh man, customer service people who hate their jobs…) Maybe that’s just me.

  425. Kms2014 says:

    “FitForFun says:
    October 5, 2014 at 6:34 pm
    @Kms

    Is that really so? I mean, in regards to not looking forward to dates. If so, then yes, that is sad. :/”

    I agree…and what Josh says is true, many do not want to go to their everyday jobs, but do…and, an arrangement is a business agreement, of sorts. However, it shouldn’t be something that is dreaded, in my opinion. Going to work a 9-5 is different than opening up your most intimate self to someone, though. There is always an alternative to SA. No one has to be here…

  426. Yeah, what did her friends say?

    Believe she’s doing what again? Hooking up with you?

    I agree with petite that it seems bizarre. Do you have anything more to go on?

  427. DorkyGuy says:

    lol, it looks like the king of logical fallacy has a determined understudy!

  428. Josh says:

    @Petite

    “Why do something if you don’t want to? That is really bizarre…”

    If your “logic” is followed then 80+% of work places would be empty tomorrow morning.

    The dope of “do what you want to do” and “don’t do what you don’t want to do” is a being fed to young people from all sides, and then bills comes due in their names after the teenage party on their parents’ dime is over.

    Life is not that peachy to give everyone the option of “do what you want to do” and “don’t do what you don’t want to do”.

    Let’s hear the PC response. 😉

  429. Josh says:

    @Kms2014,

    It is classic sabotage, my dear, whether the man knows it or not. She does not need to tell him. She merely reported to her Matrix, as expected.

    The problem with people analyzing relationship dynamics is that they ignore the big bad elephant of sabotage in the room and go in circles trying to explain why/what women do with their relationships with men.

  430. Petite says:

    Why do something if you don’t want to? That is really bizarre…

  431. FitForFun says:

    @Kms

    Is that really so? I mean, in regards to not looking forward to dates. If so, then yes, that is sad. :/

  432. Kms2014 says:

    What did her friends say after she said that on her FB or whatever social media it was? Did she tell them what she was about to do? Hehe

    @Josh, how is that sabotage? She didn’t know gtt was following her social page, most likely, right? She was just being honest…many of these girls obviously are not looking forward to the meetings, which is kind of sad…

  433. Josh says:

    @Brooklyn,

    Your profile looks fine. Are you entertaining local SDs or out of towners as well. What part of the city you are in? I am “fairly” familiar with it. No need to mention the name of the city here.

    You may have to post the communication with SDs here for me to know what’s up. Or we can take it offline if you are interested.

  434. DorkyGuy says:

    Nothing from gtt in a while. Either he is banging, or he is talking. My bet is that he is talking, lol!

  435. Josh says:

    I don’t think that she’s being malicious. She’s a woman, and sabotage is has first middle and last name. She’s really powerless against this sabotage beast.

    If you like her–sans her silly social media post–then who cares.

    Bang her as long as you continue to like your bang n text routine.

  436. DorkyGuy says:

    I bet J. Howard Marshall didn’t have Facebook. Who knows what he would have read on Anna Nichole Smith’s page just before she came over.

  437. gtt_envy says:

    @Josh ….really lol? I think its priceless too, but no lol :) at least I share the good, bad, and ugly for all to see.

    Now my I ternal debate (she is late lol) is bang her brains out and just end it afterwards or be nice knowing what I know now and just talk lol.

    I feel like I have th devil on one side and a Angel on the other :)

  438. Josh says:

    By the way, break up sex is almost as good as the make-up sex.

  439. DorkyGuy says:

    Be sure to break up with her after sex. It is really difficult the other way around.

  440. Josh says:

    And this is the guy who claims to be in his 30s and likes to have constant “connection” with his SBs.

    This is priceless. Hahahahahaha!

  441. DorkyGuy says:

    @gtt_envy- LOL! That totally made my night, thanks for sharing!

  442. Josh says:

    “Can’t believe I’m doing this again!!”

    Hahahahaha!

  443. gtt_envy says:

    ULTIMATE DISS OF ALL TIME!! The issue when you follow you sb on her social media outlets. The good is there is some verification which is good make sure honesty is in the works the negative is this “Can’t believe I’m doing this again!!” Which she just posted 15 minutes before meeting me…….I may just talk with her and send her on her way. Gosh talk about kill any desire!!

  444. DorkyGuy says:

    @KMS- I am definitely pro green. Whenever I pass a hybrid car, I definitely appreciate their sacrifice, lol

    @Josh- Think of me as a logical phallus

  445. Kms2014 says:

    Prius*

  446. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    How many logical fallacies have you found already in your post above? 😉

  447. Kms2014 says:

    Hehe, DG that was kind of funny…hehe. I think it might be nice to stand next yo your Pruis, if you are a green liberal hippie SB (:

    The new Nissan Leaf you get $5,000 tax credit back from state govt, I think, at the end of your lease. Not that anyone cares, but sometimes the very wealthy like to be green 😉

  448. Kms2014 says:

    My comment above was directed at, Baby, my apologies.

  449. Kms2014 says:

    Elaine is very right in that it is what you are comfortable with, but since soulman threw out a pretty low number, or maybe, he is just joking with you(I am not lady like on blog, either), but anyway, $200 is in the very low range(have been gifted this just for a 30 minute lunch meet or coffe/drink meet and greet before, and I do not live in NYC), so would have to disagree that $200 is an average…well, what can you say? I would say weekly allowance, but this gentlman told you he just wanted to be intimate with you once and that is it? There are allowance parameters on the site, you could go there and see what you think. It really is up to you, though…not what any of us tell you to do or be content with.

  450. DorkyGuy says:

    Maybe Ford Models has an escorting division. If that is the case, the person taking the photo of Fancy next to a Ford eacort may be having more fun than you might think.

  451. Josh says:

    @Fancy

    “Would it make a difference to you if I was in a picture standing next to my car or a ford escort?”

    Of course it would. The reason is that it is much easier to locate and take a picture next to a late model Mercedes F class car than it is to locate a late model Ford Escort.

    Also, the person taking your picture next to Mercedes F class would be having good time and your smile would be much bigger, funner and all around better.

    The person taking your picture next to Ford Escort would not have as much fun and your smile would be that of embarrassment. Worse you may have to take a selfie as no one would care to take your picture next to a Ford Escort.

    😉

  452. gentleman soul says:

    @flyR
    Some would consider allergic to fur to be a plus

    good one !

    @Baby

    Depends on where you live Baby Girl . Unless you live in a major market like NYC $200 is a reasonable gift ,assuming you are attracted to the lucky guy and you are not TOFTT . The Gent will likely take you to dinner and drinks (and not the cleaners ) so it might be a fun date .

  453. flyR says:

    @Baby – Elaine gave you the right advice. I would not worry too much about “worth” but rather what’s right for the two of you and for you individually.

    It’s not something I would normally recommend , especially if you are new to the relationships. However, sometimes there’s good feelings but LT is simply not going to work.

  454. Alexis says:

    Wow, can’t believe I haven’t posted in about a week or more. There’s no way I’ll catch up reading all these posts lol. Been so busy with everything I’m trying to do in my life but just wanted to say that I hope everything’s going well for everyone and that you all are happy and stuffs!

  455. Josh says:

    @FitForFun, 😉

  456. Josh says:

    *$10,000 sounds just about right. If you think it is too low then ask according to what YOU think YOUR WORTH is, as Elaine suggested.

  457. Josh says:

    @BabySB

    “Another question, if someone is looking for a one night stand what is an appropriate gift to ask for?”

    $10,000 sounds just about right. If you think it is too low then ask according to what YOU think YOUR is, as Elaine suggested.

    But if he looks like Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio, etc., (all in their 20s and 30s) then you “may” want to cut them some slack as there “could” be some competition for good-looking men out there. 😉

  458. Elaine says:

    @baby

    The only appropriate gift is the one that makes YOU feel happy and appreciated.
    No one else can decide that for you.
    You have your own standards and it is important that these are met, not somebody elses.

  459. DorkyGuy says:

    @BabySB- I had completely forgotten that scene! I love a girl who is into nerdy talk.

  460. DorkyGuy says:

    Brandon should offer free premium SB memberships if your email ends in @now.org.

  461. BabySB says:

    @FlyR thanks for the advice. Another question, if someone is looking for a one night stand what is an appropriate gift to ask for?

  462. FitForFun says:

    @FatB’StardSA

    Some people choose to believe their dead relatives watch over and guide them, some choose to believe the moon landing was a government conspiracy, and some choose to believe aliens inseminated a young, developing Earth with their own DNA to springboard life on this planet.

    Your choice to believe in that which is fictitious, bless your heart, is your own concern. :)

  463. Josh says:

    “eons ago”

    Thank you for acknowledging your age. 😉

  464. flyR says:

    Josh – Perhaps I should lead that my posts are from someone who actually has a wonderful SB and has had other great long term sugar relationships, some lasting several years. That I am mature enough not to refer to the vaginal area as “down there” or a woman looking forward to sex as “spreading her legs” I left that in the HS locker room eons ago.

    I’m here because I think women are wonderful and I don’t feel it necessary to shop from the racks of the CDC when planning an intimate evening. I don’t see women as the enemy, just waiting to suck all of the life and cash out of a man, but rather as partners in an unconventional but common relationship.

    Yes Josh, there are a lot of differences and for that I am eternally grateful.

  465. flyR says:

    @Baby

    POT = Potential SD or SB usually used to refer to SD

    Health issues – I would not lead with it in your profile . Save it for a conversation by phone or in person.

    Some would consider allergic to fur to be a plus…..

    Be open but wait for the appropriate time

  466. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “Think of SA as a giant used car lot.” Blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Shouldn’t you start your posts with:

    “Hello my name is Senile and I am 85 years-old.”

  467. Josh says:

    @BabySB

    POT means potty trained. For health reasons we like to arrange with people who are potty trained.

  468. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    “I know quite a few SBs myself and what I’ve realized is that a lot of them can’t spell elementary words to save their lives!”

    How do you know so many of them?

  469. BabySB says:

    @Dorky That guy only survived because he had Wolverine covering him.

  470. BabySB says:

    Hi guys, I’m new, only been here a week or so. I have two questions: I have a couple of health concerns that if paid attention to are no big problem, they simply mean that I may not always be able to go out dancing and can’t be near anything with fur. This is generally not a problem when it comes to my libido. Should I post this on my bio? or should I wait until the first message exchange?
    Second question is, what does POT stand for?

  471. DorkyGuy says:

    Only us old fogies will appreciate this WW2 trivia:

    There was a guy only 500 feet from the hypocenter of the Niroshima bomb that actually survived. He lived into his 80’s.

    More fearsome than the atomic bomb, the USA designed a bomb made of living bats (that is true). It was abandoned when it was discovered that a translation error caused “Nagasaki” to appear as “Gotham City” on a map.

  472. flyR says:

    Think of SA as a giant used car lot.

    Some (of both sexes) are exactly as advertised, some a little less and others have been recovered from the wrecking yard ….. Few advertisements note runs poorly, requires weekly maintenance and rust spots under the fresh coat of paint.

  473. FatB’StardSA says:
    October 5, 2014 at 8:57 am
    @LegalBarbie28

    How many SD’s have you actually met to know that the “overwhelming number of SD’s blatantly lie on their profiles”?

    “Actually Met”…. Hmmmm…. Don’t have to have “actually met” them sweetie. You see after you receive messages from/reach out to a POT, there are plenty of options of communication such as (1) continuing to send boring ass emails, (2) signing up on some clever app that allows you to text without exchanging personal information, (3) exchanging phone numbers and actually conversing for a bit before “actually meeting”, and (4) skyping, tango, or whatever other video chat available to start getting to know a person.

    I’m sure there are others but we’ll stop there. The fact of the matter is…. The truth can come out anywhere! Not just at an actual meet. So how many have I “personally come across maybe”? THE HELL IF I KNOW!!! I haven’t counted and it might be pretty weird if I had. Lol but What I can say is that “an overwhelming number of SDs that I have come across…. In addition to a lot of the SBs I’ve known/read about, lie on their profiles” just happens!

  474. Elaine says:

    @ Josh,

    Don’t forget Europe is not such an unity as the US is.

    There is HUGE differences in salaries and costs of life between the rest of Europe and Scandinavia!
    A cup of coffee in Scandinavia,in general cost 4 times more of what I am used to.
    And 2x more as in UK or Germany to name some other “expensive” countries.

    Scandinavia is a happy, socialist and not crisis struck “island” on the old continent, and in no way to be compaired to other parts of the world.

  475. Fancy says:

    @Josh

    Again, my car doesn’t have anything to do with his car. It is a 97 C280 in mint condition.

    Would it make a difference to you if I was in a picture standing next to my car or a ford escort?

  476. Kms2014 says:

    @Josh…I used to live in London…and my friend I spoke of is from London, and he is the one that told me about Sweden. I do not have data, but under the assumption it is Sweden, then, yes, it is even more expensive than London. But, most of the other Scandinavian countries are expensive as well, yes? Also, arrangements are frowned upon there, due to gender equality, so less supply. And you are right, since no one has an excuse to be desperate for money, due to their system, then it is frowned upon even more to be in arrangement. These are my assumptions, yes, so will should let Peter Pan explain…since he actually lives there. I was just throwing out other possibilities….

  477. Josh says:

    @Fancy

    “Josh:

    “I drive a Mercedes, why?”

    Which class and what year? 😉

  478. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    Speculations and accompanied brow-beating without corroborating data is futile. Peter Pan must produce at least the name of the country if not the id of the girl involved. 😉

    European cities are no more expensive than Manhattan or London.

    Keep in mind that Scandinavia is largely socialist and the SBs may not have as many expenses as education and healthcare are almost free.

    Wouldn’t know about housing expenses until the name of the country is made plain.

  479. Fancy says:

    Josh:

    I drive a Mercedes, why?

  480. Kms2014 says:

    Just using Sweden as an example…not sure where Peter Pan is living.

  481. Josh says:

    @newsugarbaby

    Gift him a copy of Strunk and White at the end of your date. You may pick it up at any bookstore or Amazon for a few bucks. Consider that an investment in your arrangement empire. 😉

  482. Kms2014 says:

    Someone from Europe brought up a good point, though, in regards to Peter pan’s post. My British friend went there last summer and he couldn’t get over how expensive everything was. He said an average price for beer is 10 pounds…not to mention food and subway is more expensive. Watched a travel show speaking about this as well, in regards to Sweden. You cannot compare Sweden to a town in middle America. Plus, many arrangements allowance amounts listed by SDs on this blog are on the low side, anyways, so is very likely why there is such shock and awe to his post.

  483. Kms2014 says:

    “@FitForFun

    “Secondly, with only one exception, every man with whom I’ve corresponded, thus far, has been within 10 years of my age. And finally, yes, that includes younger guys!”

    You know that the only people on the blog who even claim to believe this are KMS2014 and Elaine right?”

    Hehe, you are so funny, fatty (: Welcome back to blog!

  484. flyR says:

    @New Sugar “He is background verified, but I understand that doesn’t include an income check. What should I do in this situation? Thank you!”

    Verified only means that he gave a name that when checked with public databases did not appear to come back with any terminally negative information. They may also have checked to see that someone by that name exists.

    If the grammar usage is the only flaw there seems little risk in a lunch.

  485. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    “3) @Josh, there are about 40 logical fallacies in this post, can you find them all?”

    As one finds a logical fallacy the subsequent would be progressively harder to find.

    So I give you my permission to find the first 30 easier ones. I will find the rest. 😉

  486. Josh says:

    @Russian SB

    But I am dumb blond, if I were clever I don’t need a man financial support, and not join the site”

    You may want to hook up with Lainey. She seems to be smart but is still on the site. 😉

  487. FatB'StardSA says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    How many SD’s have you actually met to know that the “overwhelming number of SD’s blatantly lie on their profiles”?

    @FitForFun

    “Secondly, with only one exception, every man with whom I’ve corresponded, thus far, has been within 10 years of my age. And finally, yes, that includes younger guys!”

    You know that the only people on the blog who even claim to believe this are KMS2014 and Elaine right?

  488. DorkyGuy says:

    “@KMS

    Hiroshima was an effective way of shutting up a bunch of suicidal decision-makers who should not have picked a fight to begin with and did not know how to find a ladder to climb down, the collateral damage not withstanding.”

    So many problems with this.

    1) Japan didn’t surrender after Hiroshima. They calculated the US could have no more than 2 or 3 atomic bombs, and estimated that they could weather the storm. That’s why we went on to bomb Nagasaki.

    2) Your nukes are even less effective than that, because they haven’t shut anyone up, but only exacerbated the problem.

    3) @Josh, there are about 40 logical fallacies in this post, can you find them all?

  489. Josh says:

    You’re gonna have to be more specific sweetheart.

  490. “Just reading the profiles does not give any indication of girls wanting up to $6,000 for platonic 90-minutes dates.

    There are two possibilities:

    1. Your post is an attemt to introduce fictional high dollars in the fertile minds of SBs.

    2. You ran into a real but exiled European princess who is saving money to raise an army to reclaim her ancestral glory.”

    OR….. It’s possible that Just like the overwhelming number of SDs that blatantly lie on their profiles, A lot of SBs do the same.

    I definitely think there are more than “two possibilities”

  491. Josh says:

    @Peter Pan

    I checked out quite a few Scandinavian SBs’ profiles. They don’t read any different from the profiles from the USA, the UK, Canada or Australia EXCEPT they are typically more educated and the use of “average” weight is not as common as it is in the USA.

    So if a girl is listed as slim, she is slim and if a girl is chubby, she is listed as “a few extra pounds” AND she still looks slimmer than the slims in the USA. 😉

    Just reading the profiles does not give any indication of girls wanting up to $6,000 for platonic 90-minutes dates.

    There are two possibilities:

    1. Your post is an attemt to introduce fictional high dollars in the fertile minds of SBs.

    2. You ran into a real but exiled European princess who is saving money to raise an army to reclaim her ancestral glory.

  492. Josh says:

    @Fancy

    What kind of car can you afford?

  493. Fancy says:

    Wealth by selection not accumulation……sorry I missed yesterday but thought I would throw this in after reading some of the above.

    Not impressed by the car they stand by but by how they drive it!

  494. Russian SB says:

    DarkHorse, thank you ! Now, when I know it , I can die in peace !

  495. Russian SB says:

    Lainey, most men don’t read profiles, they so intrrested in inner beauty, that looking only on pictures. But , you can add some special line or word in you profile and ask add it in a messege if person read it.
    ” If you actually read my profile, add ” cherry ” in your messege “.

  496. Russian SB says:

    Fatty – it was famous lines UK politician. But I am dumb blond, if I were clever I don’t need a man financial support, and not join the site :)

  497. FitForFun says:

    @Elaine,

    Thanks!

  498. Elaine says:

    @ Ouch Fit4fun…. this is going to give you some sour grape comments!

    How dare you say younger men want to date you!?
    Once over 25 we are only supposed to date the geriatic department!
    And you have a brain to!?

    Bad girl!! LOL 😉

    Joking of course, I am very glad to see intelligent SBs posting here!

  499. FitForFun says:

    @Lainey,

    I can, of course, only speak for myself.

    I’m tired of the bs games! Having recently re-entered the dating scene, I find I attract men much younger than I am. These “men” often still have a high school drama approach to dating which I find beyond infuriating. They believe they will hurt my pwecious widdle feefees if they just come right out and say, “Hey, I have a steady gf, but need some excitement on the side.”

    They are also not yet typically established. I took care of an enormous amount, relative to me, of course, of my husband’s debt in our first few years together; I have no desire to revisit that stage in a man’s life.

    I am, myself, terribly busy; I have neither the time, nor patience to be someone’s emotional sounding board, but still like to go out and have fun.

    And as for the super hot world of geriatric men (nice one, BTW @Josh), that hasn’t been my experience. Firstly, I am confident enough in myself to simply state that I’m not interested, if that’s the case. Secondly, with only one exception, every man with whom I’ve corresponded, thus far, has been within 10 years of my age. And finally, yes, that includes younger guys!

  500. Kms2014 says:

    Oops, what an appropriate autocorrect, hehe

  501. Kms2014 says:

    Shit up, Hiroshima 😉

  502. flyR says:

    and I should have added Elaine who continues to add class to the discussions.

  503. SirenSays says:

    I think reading these posts are so enjoyable…until two or more supposedly mature adult individuals start bickering over trivial and petty nonsense like little children stuck in the back seat of a car on a road trip! SOME of you (I won’t mention names) really do detract from the fun of these blogs.

  504. flyR says:

    @ Lainey –
    The over 30 SB’s are more likely to have completed school although there are many who are returning to the classroom. Many are divorced or simply tired of the traditional dating scene.

    The recession has been particularly tough of women as so many administrative jobs are gone forever. Among the ranks of the over 30 SB are some incredible women, some of whom have been here including midwest who dropped by a few weeks ago after completing another grad degree.

  505. Elaine says:

    @Lainey

    “Just a question. What attracts women over the age of 30 to the SB/SD world? Not throwing shade”

    What about: The same as women UNDER the age of 30?

  506. DorkyGuy says:

    @newsugarbaby~ It would be a huge red flag to me. Ur right to keep your eyes wide open.

    @Josh~ Us geriatric men find ourselves in terrific company, with the likes of Hugh Hefner, Sean Connery, Ahnuld, Harrison Ford, etc. Just don’t call us “sugargranddaddy”. It is only marginally less creepy than “sugargrandbaby”

  507. Jj says:

    @new, It’s quite possible to be an auto suggested text, which “your” is first selection on my phone and the gent very likely has staff to proofread his business correspondence. It is a very common typing auto reflex as well; I know I have done so many times and even pass over while proofreading and not notice until posted. ****just say’n!!!

  508. newsugarbaby says:

    Hi! I’m new to this and have a question, and this seemed like a good place to get advice. I’ve been in contact with a pot sugar daddy who claims to make over a million a year and is a doctor/businessman. He has offered to treat me to lunch and see where it goes, he has also been very clear about waiting until we’re both comfortable with each other before making anything physical. HOWEVER, he consistently uses “your” instead of “you’re” even though his grammar is otherwise excellent. Is it plausible that a successful millionaire wouldn’t know basic grammar? He is background verified, but I understand that doesn’t include an income check. What should I do in this situation? Thank you!

  509. Josh says:

    Entry into the hot world of geriatric men?

  510. Lainey says:

    Just a question. What attracts women over the age of 30 to the SB/SD world? Not throwing shade.

  511. Kms2014 says:

    Yeah, you never know when there is a little Hiroshima character around.

  512. flyR says:

    F4F

    I think both your mil background and your educational priorities / interests are potentially a big plus for your likely “target market” . If they are intimidating, the relationship is probably not going to be other than short lived. You’re not an expense but rather an investment.

  513. Josh says:

    @FitForFun

    Your profile is looking yummy already. Expand on it along the same lines.

  514. DorkyGuy says:

    @F4F~ imho, if someone misreads it as cosmetology, you probably wouldn’t have much in common with them anyway. You could meet them for fun, and introduce them to astralphysics.

  515. FitForFun says:

    My father retired from the army, my stb ex is in the army, and I am a veteran, myself.

    *But* I’m not sure that’s important. Furthermore, I’m afraid the totality of my background might be intimidating to some.

    And, dear God! What idiot would think I double majored in math and physics to go style hair and paint toe nails?! What exactly should I put, instead? Cosmology, the field toward which I am leaning, is distinct from astrophysics.

  516. flyR says:

    Fit 4

    What jumps out to me is the math/physics background and interest.

    You might be a nerd’s wildest fantasy or someone who could relate to someone in tech. 90% of the profile prowlers will misread cosmology as cosmetology

    It’s not clear if you or your spouse was in the military

  517. FitForFun says:

    @Josh

    It now reads:
    I love to go out and have fun as much as my time and finances allow. I like to explore new restaurants and discuss interesting ideas and topics over food with intelligent, open minded, and passionate company.

    I work out six days a week, alternating cardio with weight training, to maintain my health, figure, and vitality. I also consume a very nearly vegetarian diet (for health reasons), though have no qualms with what you chose.

    Having been military affiliated most of my life, I’ve accumulated a mix of credits from several universities. As a result, I am technically considered a senior despite having just over a year’s worth of classes remaining toward my B.S. degrees in math and physics before moving on to grad school.

    Competition in my field is fierce, so getting into a solid astrophysics/cosmology program at a well regarded grad school is a priority for me.

  518. Josh says:

    You never know who is who. Post it here.

  519. FitForFun says:

    @Josh
    May I assume that you are my most recent visitor, and may email you, when done, to look again?

  520. Josh says:

    Start with this and expand as you go along.

    About Me

    I love to go out and have fun as much as my time and finances allow. I like to explore new restaurants and discuss interesting ideas and topics over food with (opinionated? or whatever kind of) people. I work out six days a week to maintain my figure. I’m junior/senior in college, and getting into a good grad school is a priority.

    What I’m looking for

    I am looking for an appreciative SD.

  521. ys_pls_sir2 says:

    @complicatedSB: Thank you…

    @FlyR: You’re right, I know.

  522. flyR says:

    Ys____pls – There’s no good excuse for bad manners . But look at the bright side of the evening, you might have been conned into an all to brief relationship .

    “”””””””allowing men to spend what is pennies for them to exploit a university student . Girls you ought to be paid handsomly….. do not give yourself up so chealply – you are ruining it for everyone!!!”””””””

    The other side of the argument is that even the most modest allowance and sD often includes more caring and benefits than that which passes for college dating – Watching the guys drink beer and consume quarterpounders and being expected to provide sex as soon as the game is over.

  523. FitForFun says:

    QuirkyAstroChic, and I’m 34.

  524. complicatedSB says:

    @ys_pls_sir2 Ack. I’m sorry to hear that. Nothing chaps my butt more than to have someone waste my time. His fucking loss, hon. Chin up :)

  525. Josh says:

    I think the phrase is not approved yet. Anyway…

    If you see on your profile one of the following:

    ———————————————————————
    Username: XYZ
    ———————————————————————

    OR

    ———————————————————————
    XYZ
    22 . City, State
    ———————————————————————

    Then post whatever you have in place of XYZ. THAT is your tag.

    Also, what is your SA age?

  526. Kms2014 says:

    She does have a point, though…many of these men are throwing pennies to these young girls as they do not know any better. All SBs want a higher allowance, and most SDs want an SB for as low an allowance as they can give, yes? Don’t think that means escort talk, but is just being truthful.

  527. FitForFun says:

    @Josh,

    I added the line into my profile; should it be a headline? And please forgive my ignorance, but what is a tag?

  528. Kms2014 says:

    “AussieSweetness says:
    October 4, 2014 at 7:08 pm
    I would really like to start a sugar babe unite group or forum as there are clearly girls being taken advantage of who do not know there own worth, allowing men to spend what is pennies for them to exploit a university student . Girls you ought to be paid handsomly….. do not give yourself up so chealply – you are ruining it for everyone!!!”

    I think we should get a Scandinavian SB to be head of this group, hehe.

  529. Josh says:

    @AussieSweetness

    “I would really like to start a sugar babe unite group or forum”

    Brilliant idea. Go for it.

    “as there are clearly girls being taken advantage of who do not know there own worth”

    How preposterous is that? Shame, shame on them taking advantagers.

    “allowing men to spend what is pennies for them to exploit a university student”

    So true. Girls should continue to date male university students, for whom pennies are like dollar bills.

    “Girls you ought to be paid handsomly…”

    Absolutely, by handsome male university students.

    “do not give yourself up so chealply”

    Never ever ever do that.

    “you are ruining it for everyone!!!”

    everyone = escorts

  530. ys_pls_sir2 says:

    Changing out of dress into jeans and going to local pub – no use wasting a good hair day. I wish I could be cocky and say that it’s his loss but really my pride is wounded a little and I’m at a loss as to why someone would behave like that. If I were a man I would be mortified if I showed such a lack of character. I don’t care if you’re a rich SD or a struggling SB, show respect above all. If you can’t remember that basic tenant, then write it down.

  531. Josh says:

    @FitForFun

    “Specialization is for insects.”

    Are those keywords from your profile. It is not pulling anything. Maybe post your tag?

  532. Lainey says:

    Totally about to change my profile content to “Escape”- Rupert Holmes. . Men don’t read it anyway. They go straight to requesting my pics

  533. Lainey says:

    Loving @RussianSB right now! (Not that I didn’t previously. . Lol)

  534. “Sweetheart, it was NOT for you or anyone on the blog. It was supposed to go out as text to one of the guys who was cutting trees for me. He wanted to get paid before the job was done. I was not having any of that. So I was trying to tell him to finish the work before he will get paid.”

    Ok good…. I was like…. Hmmmm…. Was that directed towards me? Lol

  535. ys_pls_sir2 says:

    @DarkHorseSD
    “Ys-pls I can be out the door and on the way to you in 5 min.”

    My knight to rescue my pride!

  536. FitForFun says:

    “Specialization is for insects.”

  537. DarkHorseSD says:

    It’s brilliant. I’m going to market myself as the backup sd…

    Stood up while all dolled up? I’m just a text away.

  538. FitForFun says:

    I am very new to this. Would someone mind critiquing my profile, as well?

  539. DarkHorseSD says:

    Ys-pls I can be out the door and on the way to you in 5 min.

  540. sweetie says:

    Josh, I think the last one I saw was Looper. Did not know about Red, had to look it up just now. Did you see it? Any good?
    Yeah, I remember Moonlight. It was cute.

    Fatty, I can’t tell if your response to Russian was a joke or not, but I think she meant the same thing as you.

  541. ys_pls_sir2 says:

    At the risk of injecting a dose of random into the blog…I wonder who gets stood up more often…SDs or SBs. I spent the last few hours getting ready to meet a POT (I go through a great deal of trouble) and he is a no show.

    I understand if someone wants to back out, for whatever reason. Sometimes it’s guilt because they haven’t ventured outside of their marriage before, or their interests were diverted elsewhere. I’m a big girl and can handle it, but for god’s sake, man up and just say so. Don’t leave a woman in a little black dress holding a martini by herself.

    Switching to a scotch.

  542. DarkHorseSD says:

    It’s an excellent idea. The girls should all get together and realize what they are really worth.

  543. AussieSweetness says:

    I would really like to start a sugar babe unite group or forum as there are clearly girls being taken advantage of who do not know there own worth, allowing men to spend what is pennies for them to exploit a university student . Girls you ought to be paid handsomly….. do not give yourself up so chealply – you are ruining it for everyone!!!

  544. FatB'StardSA says:

    @RussianSB

    “About RICH, materialistic and fans of showing-off style, I remember, my friends, brilliant remark : “There is mo point of wasting any more moral or mental energy in being jelous to the very rich. They are no happier, than anyone else, they just have more money. We shouln’t bother ourselves about why they want all this money, or why it is nicer to have a bath with gold taps. How does it hurt me if somebody else driving a posh Mercedes – we both get stuck in the same traffic !””

    “ABOUT RICH-2
    We should stop any bashing or moaning, or preaching , or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues to this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly, and to build roads, railways and schools.”

    Supporting oligarch’s who purchased the rights to the natural resources of your country for 1/1000 of their actual value and then spent the profits on mega yachts and football clubs while your country went into the toilet is one of the most retarded things I have read on the blog.

    I thought you might be clever but you are probably a dumb ass like many of the SB’s on the site.

    Have a nice day :-).

  545. Josh says:

    Hello sweetie. Good to see you again. Which of the latest BW movies have you seen. He’s been my favorite since the Moonlighting days.

    What do you think about the RED franchise?

  546. sweetie says:

    That was funny, Josh. Talk about out of context on this blog… it all fits right in, regardless.
    Russian, hahaha foreskin bag!

    Welcome all! The blog is getting livelier.

  547. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    “@Josh

    “I can meet you there and check it out. If EVERYTHING is done then you get your money.”

    Lol no thanks! We are both two complete dickheads…. It would never work!!! Lmao!”

    Sweetheart, it was NOT for you or anyone on the blog. It was supposed to go out as text to one of the guys who was cutting trees for me. He wanted to get paid before the job was done. I was not having any of that. So I was trying to tell him to finish the work before he will get paid.

    I mistakenly typed that message here and did not realize it until it was too late. I did not post a correction as I wanted to see how it will go.

  548. DarkHorseSD says:

    RSB it’s a case which she expects is holding an engagement ring and her tearful reaction to the onion it holds.

  549. @Josh

    “I can meet you there and check it out. If EVERYTHING is done then you get your money.”

    Lol no thanks! We are both two complete dickheads…. It would never work!!! Lmao!

  550. Russian SB says:

    Kms,thank you, it is me with tonnes of make up.

  551. Josh says:

    @Peter Pan

    Which Scandinavian country are you from?

    Would you care to post some key words from her profile and age here. Don’t post the id.

  552. Kms2014 says:

    Russian if that is you on your avatar you are one beautiful lady….

  553. Russian SB says:

    Peter Pan should change his name to Santa Claus. Officialy !

  554. Kms2014 says:

    Welcome to the blog, Peter Pan, btw. Is good to have more international perspective…

  555. Kms2014 says:

    “Peter Pan says:
    October 4, 2014 at 5:25 pm
    Kms2014 says:
    October 4, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Peter Pan, are you Scandavian? I was wondering if they had less SDs and SBs in those countries, due to more gender equality….?

    Yes I am from Scandinavia, and you are right, it is a very small scene here because it is very much frowned upon. Also, even very, very average looking girls are demanding $3-5000 from day 1. I had one girl demanding $6000 for each “date” which simply included a dinner lasting no more than 90 minutes. I would search for SBs in other European countries but the hassle of catching a plane every time you want to meet up is inconvenient to say the least.”

    Peter Pan, thank you for your response…that is interesting….do average looking redheads do well there, too, hehe 😉 I love tall blonde men….

    In all seriousness, though….$6,000 for a date? I guess it is a supply and demand thing, less supply…Can understand the inconvenience of a plane ride, but it might be a better option, if just a date is $6,000

  556. Russian SB says:

    DarkHorse – but, really, what is on your avatar ?

  557. Russian SB says:

    ABOUT RICH-2
    We should stop any bashing or moaning, or preaching , or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues to this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly, and to build roads, railways and schools.

  558. DarkHorseSD says:

    RussianSB: I can offer copious quantities of pink extasy to you.

  559. Josh says:

    That’s what parents send their kids to MIT for.

  560. DarkHorseSD says:

    “read about Brandon Wade who, despite his success, character, and–god forbid–morality, he was unable to attract the women he wanted. Thus this website.”

    Brandon’s mother says: I’m so proud of my Brandon. He founded a website to contain all the women no one should ever want and can use all the money to keep all the good ones for himself.

  561. Josh says:

    Russian SB

    The hysterical girl will apply the strange object to your lady bits and will start laughing even more hysterically. 😉

  562. Josh says:

    *Phew…if you have to ask flyR…

    I new EXACTLY what he was doing most of the but since you asked him let him answer. 😉

  563. “Russian SB says:
    October 4, 2014 at 4:44 pm
    Pardon me… YOUGOTTABEKIDDINGME from all your posts I assume you are guy, while you are girl ?! So, previous escapade not for you, but
    ” speaking generally “.

    About RICH, materialistic and fans of showing-off style, I remember, my friends, brilliant remark : “There is mo point of wasting any more moral or mental energy in being jelous to the very rich. They are no happier, than anyone else, they just have more money. We shouln’t bother ourselves about why they want all this money, or why it is nicer to have a bath with gold taps. How does it hurt me if somebody else driving a posh Mercedes – we both get stuck in the same traffic !””

    Just saw your post, Russian. Thanks for that.

  564. Russian SB says:

    DarkHorse, histerical girl with strange pink object in my bed ? It is your fantasy, but not mine !

  565. flyR says:

    First meeting

    I’m a great fan of downplaying the first meeting, keeping it casual and at a casual place. Yes looking nice, freshly scrubbed etc but not necessary to have gone through some involved process.

    Whatever it takes her to feel comfortable is fine.

    if the pot sd is identified as someone needing arm candy then every detail must be attended to but what I look for is a nice person who will be fun to be with, is interesting, sexy, and comfortable in their skin and with the relationship.

    To the extent possible leaving yourself enough time to get ready and not rush or come storming through the door muttering about those f ing LA drivers.

    Logic Failure – Expecting different results from the same behavior.

    First meet travel – I would not ask someone to travel without offering to pay for the ticket in advance.

  566. Josh says:

    OK blog SB. Now you know where to go…destination Scandinavia. 😉

  567. “YOUGOTTABEKIDDINGME
    No, it is you, guys, falling out of spectrum – why spend 4000$ per month on young spoiled anc very material brat – when you can help with that money starving african kids, or, invest in some of your doctor-friend project ?
    It will be better use of that money.
    So, I think, you have a strong reason to do that
    How man can be on that site and be against material girls so much ? Obviously, non material girls are much nicer, and Sugar world is VERY small society, like Masons. If you fine with the idea – join it, become an adept.
    But, if you not – leave that page, be free, and stop preaching about moral values.”

    Hmmm…where do I even start with this? I don’t know whether to laugh, take a nap, be annoyed, or respond in a way to play into a cat fight just for hell of it?

    You and Lainey both missed my point which Kms accurately stated, but was accused of empty defense.

    Id also like to say that my comments were based on my first year on this site. That was actually the blog topic. ‘member? If my comments speak to you, it’s not because I had you in mind. Lainey, I assume you thought I was talking about you because my post followed yours. That happens sometimes, and sometimes the poster will make a note that their comment was made prior to a newly seen post. I didn’t find it necessary as I thought my intention was clear.

    Next some more…

    My mention of my doctor friend (another point you both missed), was in that she is successful and esteemed, but doesn’t need material things to validate her accomplishments. If you happened to have followed the history of the blog beyond yesterday afternoon, perhaps to the previous blog topic, you would have read about Brandon Wade who, despite his success, character, and–god forbid–morality, he was unable to attract the women he wanted. Thus this website.

    My question, which you both answered unintentionally in your heated response, was do men acquire material things because they perceive them to be important to the ladies they wish to attract. And if so, is it so much so that it becomes a premiere qualifier. No one said anything about goddamnedfuckingstarvingchildreninafrica.

    Also…

    It’s already been established that morality lives in small numbers here. That wasn’t my point. I’m more interested from a behavioral and transferability standpoint.

    Hope that helps.

    I suppose we can fight, if that’s what tickles your fancies. I’ll need to eat a peanutbutter and jelly sandwich first, though…for energy and endurance. I’ve pretty much perfected my desired peanut butter to jelly ratio. It’s pretty sexy.

  568. Peter Pan says:

    Kms2014 says:
    October 4, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Peter Pan, are you Scandavian? I was wondering if they had less SDs and SBs in those countries, due to more gender equality….?

    Yes I am from Scandinavia, and you are right, it is a very small scene here because it is very much frowned upon. Also, even very, very average looking girls are demanding $3-5000 from day 1. I had one girl demanding $6000 for each “date” which simply included a dinner lasting no more than 90 minutes. I would search for SBs in other European countries but the hassle of catching a plane every time you want to meet up is inconvenient to say the least.

  569. Josh says:

    Phew…if you to ask flyR…

  570. DorkyGuy says:

    You need to attend some kind of collage pronto and learn Logic 101. ~Josh

    Now what logic is in that suggestion? To take a logic class when I am at this stage in life?

    Much more logical would be for me to go to a community college, and take a drama class with a bunch of coeds! Maybe even sign up for the cheerleading squad. They need a mascot, right?

    @Flyr~ “Joshie’s just crying out for attention.” I know you meant that to be funny, but I think in a very clinical way, you might be right! So, what did you do today while Josh wasted his Saturday on an internet blog?

  571. @Russian

    “LegalBarbie, but, SDs have an option – to offer come for first meeting without mani and pedi and save half of 600$
    Of course you are right, dear, I am just kidding.”

    Yea I know right lol!

  572. Josh says:

    I can meet you there and check it out. If EVERYTHING is done then you get your money.

  573. DarkHorseSD says:

    RussianSB, my avatar would like to go to bed with your avatar.

  574. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “Joshie’s just crying out for attention.”

    Here is proof positive why I keep flyR in his place by identifying silliness of his posts and the “logic” therein.

    If I leave him alone he contines his snide remarks.

  575. Russian SB says:

    LegalBarbie, but, SDs have an option – to offer come for first meeting without mani and pedi and save half of 600$ :)
    Of course you are right, dear, I am just kidding.

  576. @josh

    “I tried to do that one time but I was asked for $600+ wired theough Western Union to get her hair, mani, pedi done (for me of course) and to pay for the dog sitter, and gas.”

    Oh yea that’s a bit much! Quite unnecessary. Everybody goes through hard times, but I can get my own hair and nails done lol. And yes, when I leave, my puppy has his own doggy hotel room lol. Only thing she should have asked for (well….. What I would have asked for) is travel money. If I have to travel outside the state, I expect my travel and hotel expenses to he paid for. But real SBs already have a plethora of sexy but classy clothing.

    Additionally, they (we) keep themselves up always! For example, if I had to leave tomorrow…. My nails, hair, and clothing would already be ready to go!
    Sorry to hear about your out of state luck.

  577. flyR says:

    Joshie’s just crying out for attention.

  578. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    Re: NK’s nuclear tests…

    You need to attend some kind of collage pronto and learn Logic 101.

  579. Kms2014 says:

    Scandinavian*

  580. Kms2014 says:

    Peter Pan, are you Scandavian? I was wondering if they had less SDs and SBs in those countries, due to more gender equality….?

  581. Josh says:

    Russian SB should be awarded some kind of clarity of thinking award. 😉

  582. Kms2014 says:

    No…yougottabe is very much a girl…and a very nice young lady who writes pretty well (:

  583. Russian SB says:

    Pardon me… YOUGOTTABEKIDDINGME from all your posts I assume you are guy, while you are girl ?! So, previous escapade not for you, but
    ” speaking generally “.

    About RICH, materialistic and fans of showing-off style, I remember, my friends, brilliant remark : “There is mo point of wasting any more moral or mental energy in being jelous to the very rich. They are no happier, than anyone else, they just have more money. We shouln’t bother ourselves about why they want all this money, or why it is nicer to have a bath with gold taps. How does it hurt me if somebody else driving a posh Mercedes – we both get stuck in the same traffic !”

  584. Josh says:

    If you want to continue “teasing” either, or both, of you will be moderated or banned.

    It has NOTHING to do with flyR or anyone else.

  585. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    “@Josh, if you stop teasing flyR, then I will stop teasing jakeyshine ;)”

    Sorry…No deal.

  586. DorkyGuy says:

    @Josh, if you stop teasing flyR, then I will stop teasing jakeyshine 😉

    Those are acceptable terms for a truce!! Make it so,

  587. Josh says:

    @Peter Pan

    “You people in the states don’t know how lucky you are.”

    Is that so? Do tell more please…

    Elaine had us believe that we were living in some civilizational backwaters. 😉

  588. DorkyGuy says:

    The threat of going nuclear is why there hasn’t been a war among major powers in the world for nearly 70 years, perhaps the longest ever.

    Indeed… but you realize that analogy negates your whole argument.

    When NK tested a bomb, we didn’t launch nukes and turn the country to glass, as you are wont to do with KMS. The whole point is having someone at the button is that the person who has the larger arsenal avoids pushing it unless absolutely necessary. They don’t push it pre-emptively.

  589. Kms2014 says:

    @Josh, if you stop teasing flyR, then I will stop teasing jakeyshine 😉

  590. DorkyGuy says:

    @Peter Pan~ You are falling prey to con women. Confidence girls? Grifters? Rinsers? What do they call them these days?

  591. Josh says:

    1. Kids (including Jacob’s, Kms2014′ s or any other’s) MUST be off limits.

    2. Kms2014 MUST refrain from referring to Jacob in any way, shape or form.

  592. DorkyGuy says:

    @Jacob, I have read your proposal. I understand that your idea is more nuanced than KMS’s description allows. I certainly wouldn’t use her description to describe your idea myself. However, I don’t see how that disagreement justifies calling her a child molester, by any stretch of logic.

  593. Peter Pan says:

    Am I the only one experiencing the “no sex” SBs? Basically they will refuse to have sex “because the time isn’t right”, still insist on being paid handsomely, will only have really short “dates”, and cancel the deal 2-3 months and $5-6000 later. Or is this just a Scandinavian problem? You people in the states don’t know how lucky you are.

  594. DorkyGuy says:

    I had a long term boyfriend that was also an SD. Have never brought my son to any meet and greets.

    @KMS~ Oh, that’s all? Really? There are plenty of SA arrangements that blur the boundary to BF. Heck, Brandon married his SB. Of course, once trust is earned and a long-term relationship is defined, there is a point where you can introduce the kids.

  595. DorkyGuy says:

    Huh, well you’re not open to reason… that limits my ability to respond to you.

    Going all nuclear is a tactic that my ex-wife used to use. As a result, I have a visceral reaction when I see it. It is really bizarre that you remind me of my ex-wife.

    If you can’t be reasoned into being civil, hopefully you can be helped vis-à-vis Kirsten.

  596. DorkyGuy says:

    @Jacob~ How do you jump from taking a kid to a M&G (which I admit is foolish, if it happened) to “Kid-Molesting-Psycho”?

    I am not anybody’s patron… I just dislike reading that kind of crap. It makes my Cheese-Its taste less cheesy.

    @KMS~ I don’t know the backstory… but I can’t imagine a scenario that justifies it.

  597. Jacob says:

    “my underage child is 6’3″”

    So all the earlier cries about underage child under attack was just manipulative wolf crying, wasn’t it?

  598. Kms2014 says:

    DG, he is mad because last time he was blocked from blog for similar boundary violations.

    With that being said, my underage child is 6’3″…how tall are you little feller? The little ones always bark the loudest.

  599. DorkyGuy says:

    @Kirsten, I know that this is a very permissive blog, and lots of controversial subjects are discussed here, however some take it way over sensible bounds. It seems to me that accusing someone you disagree with of raping or molesting children is not a justified response to anything one might say.

    That sort of thing seems more appropriate for 4chan or similar cesspools of the internet, not a high profile brand like SA. Wouldn’t that violate the TOS somewhere?

    • Kirsten says:

      @DorkyGuy – completely agreed. We are taking the matter up the ladder of higher command. Thank you for your input! We would like to keep SA as classy as possible.

  600. Russian SB says:

    YOUGOTTABEKIDDINGME
    No, it is you, guys, falling out of spectrum – why spend 4000$ per month on young spoiled anc very material brat – when you can help with that money starving african kids, or, invest in some of your doctor-friend project ?
    It will be better use of that money.
    So, I think, you have a strong reason to do that :)
    How man can be on that site and be against material girls so much ? Obviously, non material girls are much nicer, and Sugar world is VERY small society, like Masons. If you fine with the idea – join it, become an adept.
    But, if you not – leave that page, be free, and stop preaching about moral values.

  601. Jacob says:

    You are the expert at protesting too much, dear, like endangering your underage child.

  602. Kms2014 says:

    Wow, someone got defensive with that joke 😉 Me thinks he doth protest too much! Hehe

  603. Jacob says:

    “Well, was just trying to help shiney’shiney with more tax deduction idears ;)”

    Keep projecting and pulling sh*t out of your family members’ ass, you drug hazed psycho 😉 I used to drive manual cars before double-clutch manuals came along.

  604. “Lainey says:
    October 4, 2014 at 2:53 pm
    LMAO @Josh that was for @FakeJosh”

    Busted! Ha.

  605. Lainey says:

    LMAO @Josh that was for @FakeJosh

  606. “FatBstard says:

    I am surprised that FlyR the race car driver has not given his opinion. Jacob has the right idea. You know nothing about driving a race car which is why you are not impressed with the expensive car with an “automatic”. Proper use of the brake pedal is the most difficult thing to learn. Shifting (even heel-toe down shifting) is not what most people struggle with.”

    Hey FB…Did you happen to read the part where I wrote “Though it might be different with the newer double-clutch automatics?” And you’re right, I’ve not driven a high end race car. Though I am considering changing my profile to read “Will fuck to drive your racecar.” I’ll win, for sure.

    Glad to read from you, FatBstard. I’ve missed you.

  607. “Lainey says:
    October 4, 2014 at 1:43 pm
    Defend her as much as you like @KMS but I know shade when I read it. Just because a shark smiles with its mouth closed does not mean it doesn’t have several rows of sharp teeth.

    @YGTBKM Here’s the thing about speaking in “general” its passive aggressive and a great cop out line.”

    Lainey,

    I’m sorry that you took my post personally, but I really wasn’t directing my comment to you. I was directing my questions to the blog as a whole to anyone who might offer insight. You have isolated yourself as the subject of my post when 5 different ladies have voiced their liking for bags of all labels, and dozens of ladies have shared their bag crushes since I’ve been following the blog.

    My personal thoughts are as posted.

    Can you copy and paste which of my comments you feel were directed to you?

    If you’d like, I can elaborate on my post as you seem to feel accosted based on your interpretation of this thread alone, and based on my comment which was posted out of sequence of my initial thoughts.

    I get that you feel like I took a jab at you, and in that, I do apologize and yield to your felt offense. With all do respect though, I don’t feel any need to defend my comments any further. At any rate, you did share with me your perspective, and I do appreciate it…even though you delivered it with claws drawn. I have nothing against you.

  608. Kms2014 says:

    “flyR says:
    October 4, 2014 at 1:25 pm
    the difference in material focus and social focus is often a reflection of character.

    kms that was cruel, but true”

    Well, was just trying to help shiney’shiney with more tax deduction idears 😉

  609. Kms2014 says:

    That is true, FB, my SDs don’t bring me a bottle of wine when they see me…they bring me a bottle of Geritol, 😉

  610. Josh says:

    @Lainey

    “@Josh MY money.”

    That’s good enough for me. More power to you. May you buy a $6000 ( 3 times DorkyGuy’s annual salary) purse next. 😉

  611. Lainey says:

    @Josh MY money. I like to buy myself something extravagant on holidays and birthdays. And accessories (jewelry, shoes, bags etc) are my go to splurge items.

  612. DorkyGuy says:

    At 5 times the salary of $200/month, that ring is indeed expensive. Don’t even try anything at $5000 because it would be 2 years and 1 month worth of your salary. 😉

    @FakeJosh- That’s why I invest my welfare check in lottery tickets. I am due for a win.

  613. Josh says:

    There you go @Lainey, cat fight all the way. 😉

    By the way, was that $3000 purchased with YOUR hard-earned money or someone elses (family included)?

  614. Lainey says:

    @DorkyGuy there was no offense taken

  615. Lainey says:

    Defend her as much as you like @KMS but I know shade when I read it. Just because a shark smiles with its mouth closed does not mean it doesn’t have several rows of sharp teeth.

    @YGTBKM Here’s the thing about speaking in “general” its passive aggressive and a great cop out line.

  616. FatB'StardSA says:

    @YGTSTFU

    ” get what you mean. Still, I’ve never driven an automatic that I enjoy driving more than a manual. In fact, I often find myself comparing the functionality with manuals. For example, quick maneuvers, speed adjustments for sharp turns, quick stops or acceleration. It wasn’t until a drive an automatic for a while that I understood why people drive the way they do. With an automatic, you’re mostly at the mercy of the accelerator and the brake. Though it might be different with the newer double-clutch automatics? Still there is something about being synced with the feel of the car and control of the speed and shifting that I appreciate. I think that it makes for a much more enjoyable driving experience.”

    I am surprised that FlyR the race car driver has not given his opinion. Jacob has the right idea. You know nothing about driving a race car which is why you are not impressed with the expensive car with an “automatic”. Proper use of the brake pedal is the most difficult thing to learn. Shifting (even heel-toe down shifting) is not what most people struggle with.

    @Lainey

    “@FakeJosh I make over 100K a year. I’m perfectly ok with spending my OWN money (although spending someone else’s is better. Lol)”

    You make 100K per year yet you fuck old people for money. Are you sure that 100K is in USD? I suppose it could be worse, you could be paying to fuck old people like KMS2014’s or Elaine’s SD does. :-).

    Have a nice day :-).

  617. *projection of success through display of material gains

  618. “Kms2014 says:
    October 4, 2014 at 12:54 pm
    Maybe, elevator shoes used to drive are tax deductible, too?”

    Ha…well, this guy is pretty short.

    @flyR

    “flyR says:
    October 4, 2014 at 1:25 pm
    the difference in material focus and social focus is often a reflection of character.”

    I’m not sure, flyR. I wonder how much the chicken or the egg scenario comes into play. In situations where “the nice guy finishes last”, I can see guys who might be of sound character adopting strategy to attract women who have passed them up on their character alone. How much to we knowingly or unknowingly qualify potential partners based on success (or projection of success), and does on perpetuate the other?

  619. Josh says:

    @yougottafuckyourself

    “I don’t do cat fights.”

    C’mon now. give us some cat fights…I will root for YOU. Others can root for Lainey.

    “Rather play with my own and be merry.”

    Awwww, that’s so sexy!

  620. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    “For what it’s worth, buying a girl a $5000 purse/dress/trip is much less expensive than buying her a $1000 ring.”

    At 5 times the salary of $200/month, that ring is indeed expensive. Don’t even try anything at $5000 because it would be 2 years and 1 month worth of your salary. 😉

  621. flyR says:

    the difference in material focus and social focus is often a reflection of character.

    kms that was cruel, but true

  622. Kms2014 says:

    Maybe, elevator shoes used to drive are tax deductible, too?

  623. Kms2014 says:

    It is hard to drive manual when your feet barely touch the pedals 😉 that is where Tom cruise elevator shoes might come in handy, hehe.

  624. “Jacob says:
    October 4, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    Double-clutch automatics shift much faster than manuals now, which is why race cars all have double-clutch automatics nowadays. Even conventional automatics are now turning in higher performance than manuals due to manuals facing user interface limit on how many gears there can be (6 or so).”

    I get what you mean. Still, I’ve never driven an automatic that I enjoy driving more than a manual. In fact, I often find myself comparing the functionality with manuals. For example, quick maneuvers, speed adjustments for sharp turns, quick stops or acceleration. It wasn’t until a drive an automatic for a while that I understood why people drive the way they do. With an automatic, you’re mostly at the mercy of the accelerator and the brake. Though it might be different with the newer double-clutch automatics? Still there is something about being synced with the feel of the car and control of the speed and shifting that I appreciate. I think that it makes for a much more enjoyable driving experience.

  625. Also…

    I genuinely wanted to know people’s thoughts. I keep getting pictures from a guy that are of his high rise condo, cars etc. I’m not really sure how he expects or wants me to respond. I don’t want to come off as completely disinterested, but I also don’t want to appear shallow or thirsty. I feel like he anticipates affirming responses from me.

    Someone, not sure who, said that they send an unattractive picture to gauge a pots motivation. Can’t say that’s a good gauge, but I also know that people have messaged the same pot from different profiles with different income levels etc to see the response.

    I think that sometimes what attracts our attention doesn’t always keep it, and what keeps our attention may not be what attracted us initially.

  626. Jacob says:

    Double-clutch automatics shift much faster than manuals now, which is why race cars all have double-clutch automatics nowadays. Even conventional automatics are now turning in higher performance than manuals due to manuals facing user interface limit on how many gears there can be (6 or so).

    A $3k bag, well, it has to be able to mate and produce more $3k bags in order for the investment to be worthwhile. LOL. I wonder if bag breeding is tax deductible like money lost on horse breeding. . . if you pick up a horse-faced SB with four legs, all expenses spent on riding her and breeding her is tax-deductible.

  627. DorkyGuy says:

    For what it’s worth, buying a girl a $5000 purse/dress/trip is much less expensive than buying her a $1000 ring.

  628. DarkHorseSD says:

    What’s all this fuss about a small 10% down payment on a real bag?

  629. DorkyGuy says:

    @Lainey, in my post above, I wasn’t criticizing you for owning a bag. I enjoy the nice things I have, and I hope you do too. I am just saying that with certain people, showing it off might have an undesirable result. The first impression may not be what you want it to be.

  630. Kms2014 says:

    @Lainey, I know you are new here, but ygbkm is not pretentious at all, in my opinion..she is really sweet gal. I didn’t interpret her post as directed towards your preferences at all. In fact, I assumed she was talking about the flashy SDs who brag about their cars or assets because they might be lacking depth, character or personality.

  631. DorkyGuy says:

    How important or flattering is it to you that a potential is impressed with your material gains? Or that you are impressed by a potential’s material gains?

    Should I be impressed or at least pretend to be impressed for the purpose of ego stroking?

    I mean, yeah it’s nice to have and appreciate nice things, but I’m just not one to bask in the glory of materialism.

    @YGBKM~ From the SBs perspective, I think you have understand that men’s attitudes on materialism are diverse, and attempt to try to read the guy. There are plenty of men who share your perspective. Plenty of self-made men managed to become wealthy largely because they are not materialistic.

    For example, I believe it was Sam Walton (founder of Walmart) who was known for driving a pickup truck, and Steve Ballmer drives a Ford Fusion hybrid.

    I have a pretty expensive car, but I don’t really think much about impressing people… I just enjoy the features, and that it gets me where I want to go. If you were to fawn over my car, I would be glad that you are enjoying the experience, but it wouldn’t stroke my ego all that much.

    People that have my attitude toward materialism might not appreciate a girl showing off her $3000 purse. It might backfire, in that the guy might conclude the girl to be wasteful and unwise.

    That said, there are a lot more Charlie Sheens or Richard Bransons out there then there are Sam Waltons. Plenty of people love the pursuit of materialism and have their worth measured by stuff. You just have to read them, and tailor your approach.

  632. By the way, Lainey…

    My comments are based on my own experiences and observations on this site as well as opposing presentations on the blog.

    Some have stated that they understate their earnings, valuable etc while others take a more showy or boastful approach.

    My question is if their is a preference from either side.

    I don’t do cat fights. Rather play with my own and be merry.

  633. “Lainey says:
    October 4, 2014 at 11:49 am
    @YGTBKM when you’re accustomed to certain things it becomes your way of life. BOTH my parents are entrepreneurs. My mom happens to be a designer. I oversee her fashion merchandising brokerage. It’s my LIFE. IDGAF what you do with YOUR money or how you live your life so stop wasting your time with paragraphs analyzing why someone chooses to live the life they live. Just because I like and own nice things and you choose to be thrifty does not make you a better person nor does it mean that you have more money in the bank than I simply because my things are more expensive. I live the lifestyle I CAN afford. That does not take away from the fact that I was raised a traditional Middle Eastern woman who submits and humbles herself to those that matter and knows her role in the home (I am not a pretentious snob simply because I like nice things), my family is very philanthropic, and it does not mean that I am not highly educated and buy material things for validation. I graduated from UPenn and speak 5 languages. So please save your judgment and your “friends” accolades and tell me what YOU have accomplished that should make me blush. #YoureWelcome”

    #ThankYou?

    Appreciate your post, Lainey. If the bag fits, carry it. However, I was not talking about your $3000 bag. I actually posted before I saw your post, and was speaking in general. Know, also, that you are not the only person toting such bags, and my comments were not directed toward you nor criticizing you or the fact that you or whoever else carries $3000 bags. Please reread my post, and find that the gist is that I’d be more impressed with the person who drives a high end sport car for its performance, or the person who carries a bag because it’s well made and they appreciate the quality than with those who acquire said things for purposes of validation.

  634. Lainey says:

    That was a rant but people like that irritate me. It’s like calling someone pretentious and superficial in the MOST pretentious manner. Hello pot meet kettle.

    But as for SD gifting instead of allowance. I never allow it. They can gift AND do allowance but one can not substitute the other. That’s just silly. But i do think it makes some of them feel more like “boyfriend” than “client” lol

  635. Lainey says:

    @YGTBKM when you’re accustomed to certain things it becomes your way of life. BOTH my parents are entrepreneurs. My mom happens to be a designer. I oversee her fashion merchandising brokerage. It’s my LIFE. IDGAF what you do with YOUR money or how you live your life so stop wasting your time with paragraphs analyzing why someone chooses to live the life they live. Just because I like and own nice things and you choose to be thrifty does not make you a better person nor does it mean that you have more money in the bank than I simply because my things are more expensive. I live the lifestyle I CAN afford. That does not take away from the fact that I was raised a traditional Middle Eastern woman who submits and humbles herself to those that matter and knows her role in the home (I am not a pretentious snob simply because I like nice things), my family is very philanthropic, and it does not mean that I am not highly educated and buy material things for validation. I graduated from UPenn and speak 5 languages. So please save your judgment and your “friends” accolades and tell me what YOU have accomplished that should make me blush. #YoureWelcome

  636. Josh says:

    The problem with long distance SBs is that for the amount of money invested upfront it is not cost effective to meet for a couple of hours only.

    Also the uncertainty factor…I am not about to hop in bed with just anyone just because I have invested significant amount cash already. Never know if the person who shows up is the same as the one you saw nice pictures of.

    I tried to set up dates in June when I was on a business trip. Did not work out. The girls kept contacting severals days/weeks after the trip.

    Again, if DarkHorseSD in NYC is facing similar challenges, then it’s not the geography.

    It seems that this year’s “crop” is different from last year’s.

  637. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    I tried to do that one time but I was asked for $600+ wired theough Western Union to get her hair, mani, pedi done (for me of course) and to pay for the dog sitter, and gas.

  638. flyR says:

    ““Also, what is it with men who want to give gifts or treat to nice dinners instead of allowance? “”””

    Classic OPM syndrome – using other people’s money in lieu of sugar…. either company expense account or deducted ………. Of course if they are 50 yardline tickets to the 49’rs, that has a high sugar content.

    To me the dinners and wine are just part of the experience and to think that you deserve credit for that is a little over the top unless it’s something incredible. But most women are here for economic benefits.

    It really boils down to doing what you say you will do for both.

    Personally I like an SB relationship that has a moderately high friendship content . It’s much more fun….

    As for Josh’s poofs It happens to everyone on first and even second meets. Most SDs and SBs in the hunt mode are tracking several prospects. If Mr Wonderful SD turned up last night you are probably not going to see her today. Speed is life ……..

  639. @yougottabekiddingme

    “Also, what is it with men who want to give gifts or treat to nice dinners instead of allowance? Does the arrangement feel less transactional to them this way? I’ve read a lot of profiles where men state that their interest is in providing nice dinners or occasional trips. Are these not things that one would do anyway? That said, eating nice dinners is something I do on my own, and I’d be just as well off going home and fucking myself. How is it, then, that men consider treating one to a nice dinner and dicking is mutually beneficial? Since when did my profile read “Will fuck for food?” Is it assumed that women on this site have never eaten anyplace nicer than Applebee’s? And should I jump at the offer to take off from my own gainful employment to join you for dinners and hotel stay that your company is paying for? I’m sorry, you said you want to buy me a purse and a vibrator, too? Yep, I think I’ll stick to fucking myself, kind sir.”

    Omg!!!! Best damn post today! Lol

  640. DarkHorseSD says:

    Josh: I found someone just right for both of us…(either josh)

    “Hi I signed up because I have an emergency financial situation. I am free next Friday, however I am willing to send nudes for western Union money to help me with my emergency”

    Unfortunately I don’t leave my apartment and therefore can only do Paypal .

  641. @ss1959

    “@LegalBarbie28 , this SB was like you apparently, in that she didn’t want our sugar relationship to become that real. So be it. We had some fun, I treated her well, it’s over.”

    Yep, water off of a ducks back! Like I said you’ll find another one! But just know that a lot of SBs will be “like me” (not getting emotionally invested). After all, that’s kinda what the site is about: not forming a traditional relationship. Talking everyday all day is too much of a relationship trait and many SBs have to train themselves to search for chemistry (or not, bc some don’t care lol), but at the same time keep their distance. SDs drop SBs all the time. Not to say that SBs don’t do the same, but for that reason, a smart SB wouldn’t knowingly put herself on the path to falling in love with a SD so to speak.

  642. Josh says:

    Now that sounds pretty real SugarSpicey already. 😉

  643. May I ask…

    How important or flattering is it to you that a potential is impressed with your material gains? Or that you are impressed by a potential’s material gains?

    Should I be impressed or at least pretend to be impressed for the purpose of ego stroking?

    I mean, yeah it’s nice to have and appreciate nice things, but I’m just not one to bask in the glory of materialism.

    What good is a million-dollar sports car that doesnt have a manual transmission? Trade that million-dollar car in for manual transmission where one can actually utilize skill when driving, and then I might be impressed.

    I guess as someone who does appreciate nice things, I don’t covet them, and I’m not really motivated by the acquisition of said things. Validation is contingent upon acquisition for some, perhaps many or most. The more we acquire, the more we desire…to no end. A dear friend of mine has a doctorate level education and career, is the director of a very lucrative program, well paid, stunningly beautiful, brilliant minded, fun spirited, caring, just all around amazing lady. She lives in a one-bedroom apartment, and drives a car that she bought on Craigslist for $4,000. I’m impressed by her intelligence, by her humility, by the garden she grows along side her apartment building, by her multifaceted interests, by her humble nature despite being a spokes person with media coverage. She tells me (while perfecting a yoga headstand) how tickled she is that people call her “doctor”. We talk, drink wine, eat cheese, laugh and share as if her cozy little apartment is the poshest in the city.

    I think it’s first important to develop character and substance before piling on a bunch of embellishments.

    Some people, I think, acquire things with which to attract people because they’ve little substance or appeal otherwise. And the worst kinds are those who acquire lots with which to attract, but ultimately share very little. No wait…the worst might be the ones who subscribe without any purpose of actually developing themselves.

    Where do you folks fall along the spectrum?

    Also, what is it with men who want to give gifts or treat to nice dinners instead of allowance? Does the arrangement feel less transactional to them this way? I’ve read a lot of profiles where men state that their interest is in providing nice dinners or occasional trips. Are these not things that one would do anyway? That said, eating nice dinners is something I do on my own, and I’d be just as well off going home and fucking myself. How is it, then, that men consider treating one to a nice dinner and dicking is mutually beneficial? Since when did my profile read “Will fuck for food?” Is it assumed that women on this site have never eaten anyplace nicer than Applebee’s? And should I jump at the offer to take off from my own gainful employment to join you for dinners and hotel stay that your company is paying for? I’m sorry, you said you want to buy me a purse and a vibrator, too? Yep, I think I’ll stick to fucking myself, kind sir.

  644. ss1959 says:

    @LegalBarbie28 , this SB was like you apparently, in that she didn’t want our sugar relationship to become that real. So be it. We had some fun, I treated her well, it’s over.

  645. @Josh…

    Why don’t you consider an SB OUTSIDE of you neck of the woods? Lol might have better luck that way.

  646. “On photos (and I hope this comes with the intended spirit) too many AA women have dark (night sky) or other backgrounds. Pick something light to illuminate your smile. ”

    @FlyR

    I’m just now realizing it’s you who inboxed me talking about dark backgrounds on my photos when I have only ONE photo in my profile that PURPOSELY has a dark background!!! Lol
    Bahahahaha…. Too funny!

  647. Josh says:

    Those are pretty much all the choices I have in my neck of the woods.

    But tallying with DarkHorseSD’s and other SD’s experiences, aside from the price point depending on the part of the country, it may not be all that different.

  648. @Darkhorse

    “Actual Josh: “Really late night” made the money she was going to take you for.

    “One hour before” made the money she was going to take you for.”

    Yep! Probably true…. Going for the dingbats gets you this behavior all the time! Lol and THIS is why I chose to keep my law degree on my profile! Lol

  649. Josh says:

    @Lainey

    “@FakeJosh I make over 100K a year. I’m perfectly ok with spending my OWN money (although spending someone else’s is better. Lol)”

    Hmmm, how many $3000 purses or shoes have you bought with your own money?

  650. “Just had second SB cancel on me. Girst didn’t even have the courtesy to respond to my “one hour before the date confirmation” text.

    The second one just informed me that she could not meet for the lunch date because she had a “really late night”.”

    Yep that sucks! Sorry to hear that.

  651. Lucrative says:

    Anyway argued with her..and shes history..

  652. Lucrative says:

    @DarkHorseSD – she said she wanted to be around successful people – dont even know if she was looking for $..i think she just wanted to date and not be a SB..too complicated for me..

  653. DarkHorseSD says:

    Actual Josh: “Really late night” made the money she was going to take you for.

    “One hour before” made the money she was going to take you for.

  654. Lainey says:

    @FakeJosh I make over 100K a year. I’m perfectly ok with spending my OWN money (although spending someone else’s is better. Lol)

  655. Josh says:

    @Lainey

    “@DarkHorseSD its VERY easy to spend 3K.”

    Absolutely sweetheart. It’s very easy to spend someone else’s money. 😉

  656. Josh says:

    Just had second SB cancel on me. Girst didn’t even have the courtesy to respond to my “one hour before the date confirmation” text.

    The second one just informed me that she could not meet for the lunch date because she had a “really late night”.

    Both of them approached me after two weeks of initial communication AND “preferred” to talk arrangement in person.

  657. DorkyGuy says:

    At that price, i hope it is a magical bag that holds an infinite amount of stuff, and anything you pull out of it is turned to gold.

  658. Lainey says:

    @DarkHorseSD its VERY easy to spend 3K. That’s one of my purses.

  659. “(Not going to manual correct autocorrect for a while and see how it goes.)”

    Hehe

  660. DarkHorseSD says:

    “I met this girl ..like the prettiest ever I met..but she had no time..like never respond to texts..worked till 11 pm..more not like a SB at all..any tips..guess not going anywhere this one!”

    Increase your per meet offer so you can become one of her steady clients.

  661. DarkHorseSD says:

    “I devote $2-3k/month to sugar and that includes everything hotels, dinner, travel, allowance, etc.”

    That’s wht RussianSb’s girlfriends spend just on the ground floor of the department store in Moscow.

  662. “I met this girl ..like the prettiest ever I met..but she had no time..like never respond to texts..worked till 11 pm..more not like a SB at all..any tips..guess not going anywhere this one!”

    Tip: On to the next one! SBs come and go just like SDs. You’ll find one worth keeping!

  663. DarkHorseSD says:

    Clingers: if the blog has finally taut me they are only for sex, you all need to get with that program. The blog has explained it is not a relationship, its a long term do act with a hooker.

    You need to find a girl who once she gets her cash rushes out of there with any excuses she can invent and the. A few days later she’s all sweet to see you for another bundle of bills.

    (Not going to manual correct autocorrect for a while and see how it goes.)

  664. DarkHorseSD says:

    I love generic josh.

  665. Josh says:

    @Lucrative

    I seems as if she does not have time for you. 😉

  666. flyR says:

    “How often do you talk”

    We don’t talk a lot as she works and is going to school but usually a few text’s a day. A text to say she’s home safe and an exchange of thanks for another fine evening.

  667. “gtt_envy says:
    October 4, 2014 at 3:57 am
    How often do you talk to your SB?

    Everyone knows the norm for me is “all the time” every day just like a true friends with benefits relationship should be imo.

    My latest “cutie” is super unique and when we are together we click for the most part. She is a freak and very fun!! We literally only txt maybe 5 times a week. Which makes it feel awfully transactional for me.

    I’m cool with it (for now) because as said when we meet it is fun, but at some point I feel if our dialogue doesn’t increase I’m going to get bored.

    So, back to the question how often do you guys talk to your SB or SD?”

    I don’t talk to anyone “all the time”. I prefer intermittent conversations that are fun, sexy or meaningful.

  668. Josh says:

    DarkHorseSD’s ring box has half onion. The girl is crying because of the onion and not due to any emotional reason. 😉

  669. Lucrative says:

    @Petite – “Then he wants to know if I would be “interested in trading some of my connections/puling some strings in the music industry as the arrangement?” Which is awesome and cool.. if I knew who he was and knew he had clout in the industry at all.”

    I had a SB tell me the same thing happened to her. She had one hotel date with him until she got clarity that he was just looking for free sex..no strings were ever pulled

  670. Lucrative says:

    I met this girl ..like the prettiest ever I met..but she had no time..like never respond to texts..worked till 11 pm..more not like a SB at all..any tips..guess not going anywhere this one!

  671. Jacob says:

    “I guess Bush Jr’s “game” was finding the right father then? ;)”

    Yup. It would be silly to attribute his “success” as baseball team co-owner or POTUS to born-againism 😉

  672. “@gtt_envy: I talk to my SB all the time. Pretty much an ongoing daily conversation via text, as I like to feel our lives are connected even when we can’t see each other.

    My first few SB’s enjoyed this as much as I did, but I just ended my latest arrangement after just a few months because she wasn’t comfortable with it.”

    All due respect ss1959, eventually, I would have begun to get comfortable with the
    arrangement as well. That is ALOT of contact lol and comes off more as you looking for a real relationship than a SB. Out of curiosity, did she ever tell you why she became uncomfortable with the arrangement?

  673. Russian SB says:

    DarkHorse, erythronium is flower, and you have pink extasy and histerical girl on avatar. Correct me, if I wrong :)

  674. ss1959 says:

    @gtt_envy: I talk to my SB all the time. Pretty much an ongoing daily conversation via text, as I like to feel our lives are connected even when we can’t see each other.

    My first few SB’s enjoyed this as much as I did, but I just ended my latest arrangement after just a few months because she wasn’t comfortable with it.

  675. Josh says:

    “Her game was in finding the right mentor while in graduate school.”

    I guess Bush Jr’s “game” was finding the right father then? 😉

    Having read all the tangential posts, I stand my ground, unless convinced otherwise.

    That is, Sandberg’s version of feminism is more realistic and addresses women’s sabotage of their own careers and well-being instead of randomly egging them on against men, just because.

  676. gtt_envy says:

    @stopit, going off of my exes and current SB’s experiences most SD’s are fakes. Endless emails, broken promises, and last minute cancellations are the norm!!

    I can tell you I’m a 1%’er, but just barely, and in many markets my income wouldn’t be anything to even think twice about. I do live in the south, so that helps.

    I devote $2-3k/month to sugar and that includes everything hotels, dinner, travel, allowance, etc.

  677. gtt_envy says:

    How often do you talk to your SB?

    Everyone knows the norm for me is “all the time” every day just like a true friends with benefits relationship should be imo.

    My latest “cutie” is super unique and when we are together we click for the most part. She is a freak and very fun!! We literally only txt maybe 5 times a week. Which makes it feel awfully transactional for me.

    I’m cool with it (for now) because as said when we meet it is fun, but at some point I feel if our dialogue doesn’t increase I’m going to get bored.

    So, back to the question how often do you guys talk to your SB or SD?

  678. Stopit says:

    so what does an average SD make

  679. flyR says:

    The courts described it as an Orwellian world in which the government , with the cooperation of her sponsors , granted the feds unprecedented access to that which the Constitution had granted privacy .

    There’s an alphabet soup of programs designed to accomplish what the Constitution prohibits. She and Larry Sommers were the willing fronts for this intrusion.

  680. Hindsight20/20 says:

    Your boys club mentality is dull and trite. Isn’t business all about connections? Try again.

  681. flyR says:

    Sommers rise only made sense if you understood that too much of the business was helping Sommers associates gain incredible power through the power to watch every keystroke including those you thought you erased.

    John Boyd advocated the theory of war in which you gained the advantage by simply operating inside your opponents ability to observe , interpret data and react. Had Snowden’s revelations occurred in a stable economy and in more normal times and with a more responsive press there would have been universal outrage.

  682. Jacob says:

    There was literally no qualification process at all when Zuckerberg recruited her as COO of Facebook. It was just a chance meeting, so we are told. LOL.

  683. Hindsight20/20 says:

    So says you, but that is your opinion. Not fact. You speak in circles but say nothing. Once again, men have no political connections and manipulation a of cliques? The point was, prove she isn’t qualified with facts. You didn’t. Just your opinions that can also apply to male counterparts. Sorry you do not compute.

  684. Jacob says:

    “Funny how when people lose an argument or cannot explain their point with facts, when they are asked, they go off on another tangent that they think will detract from the actual question.”

    Like the earlier non-sequitor talks about “tit exposing airhead.” Nobody accused any of them being “tit exposing airheads.” Their success however had far more to do with political connections and manipulation of a clique than market competence or consumer choice.

  685. Hindsight20/20 says:

    Funny how when people lose an argument or cannot explain their point with facts, when they are asked, they go off on another tangent that they think will detract from the actual question.

  686. Jacob says:

    And that sheen is not co-incidental. The very same intelligence organizations were the early big investors in the two firms. The big money pump to inflate the market value of those firms then appointing a Summers protege to head the operations were hardly co-incidental either.

  687. Jacob says:

    You should read up on Larry Summer’s role in the rise of Keynesian-technocrat-aristocracy (ref Economist article from a few years ago) through their manipulation of the fiat money system. What we are witnessing is the rise of a new aristocracy/regal class.

  688. flyR says:

    Part of what Sandberg brought to the table was making some of the highly intrusive practices of Facebook OK because they were cloaked in the wrap of a feminist leader. As the disclosures of Snowden illustrated there is an incredibly unhealthy relationship between too many of the tech wonders and the appetite of the federal government for the most intimate details of your life and thoughts.

    She put a politically correct sheen on some of the worst of the practices.

  689. Hindsight20/20 says:

    What a dumb analogy to compare a monarchy and queen to Sandberg, who was not born into facebook. Once again, you are an idiot. Try again.

  690. Jacob says:

    Of course many men have live off finding the right mentors too, including the current tele-prompter-reader-in-chief. However, it would be silly to teach young men the way to get ahead is smoking pot, joining radical organizations while young, then learn to read tele-prompter with dramatic pauses.

    It’s just like, you can even admire Queen Elizabeth II for her hard work, but her hard work has nothing to do with her achieving her regal status, which is literally due to her biological “connection.”

  691. Josh says:

    @Jacob,

    Please give me something more substantial, and non-misogynistic, to chew on. Thanks

  692. Hindsight20/20 says:

    Yeah, and men never have mentors, being at an ideal places at the right time or use contacts to get ahead.

  693. Hindsight20/20 says:

    Jacob says:
    October 3, 2014 at 10:37 pm
    @Josh

    I’m not sure if you realize that Sandberg is Larry Summer’s protege. Her real private sector experience consisted of one year at a consulting firm, before being enfoeffed at various titular/titled positions at globalist centralizing institutions, from the old school worldbank to the new-age google and facebook (both with substantial early vestment from hedge funds run by intelligence). She never worked a day up the ladder in either firm or any of the institutions after she got out of graduate school, but was always enfoeffed to head one of the near-monopolistic divisions. She was/is the vote/elector (feudal elector) that could/can be counted on when votes are called for. Not that she is not sexy or smart, but let’s call a spade a spade: more and more wealth and power are becoming inherited / enfoeffed; those of women are even more so than average. Few women are cut out to go through the rough and tumble that real competition calls for in the market place; nor do they need to. The fatal flaw of feminism is encouraging girls to compete on equal footing against boys; when they victims are mature enough, they realize the folly in ever trying that.

    What a load of rubbish. Sandberg is not some tit exposing airhead exposing her breasts to get ahead. You sound like a boring sexist idiot. I guess you were there the whole time during her rise.

  694. Jacob says:

    Her game was in finding the right mentor while in graduate school. That was the start of her being fortunately enough to be at the right place at the right time. Few pepole would have failed as head of Google global marketing from 2001-2008, given the rapid growth of Google and the massive money growth during that time. She was not promoted from inside the company based on performance, but simply appointed there as the head of the division.

  695. Josh says:

    @Jacob,

    Devil is in the details.

    Of course I could be wrong big time, but the nuances of her version of “feminism” seem to be realistic. It is not her fault if women in general don’t want to work as hard as she does, or at least pretends to do so.

    That said, if you can cite specific examples of what you see lacking in her game, then please bring it forth.

  696. Jacob says:

    @Josh

    I’m not sure if you realize that Sandberg is Larry Summer’s protege. Her real private sector experience consisted of one year at a consulting firm, before being enfoeffed at various titular/titled positions at globalist centralizing institutions, from the old school worldbank to the new-age google and facebook (both with substantial early vestment from hedge funds run by intelligence). She never worked a day up the ladder in either firm or any of the institutions after she got out of graduate school, but was always enfoeffed to head one of the near-monopolistic divisions. She was/is the vote/elector (feudal elector) that could/can be counted on when votes are called for. Not that she is not sexy or smart, but let’s call a spade a spade: more and more wealth and power are becoming inherited / enfoeffed; those of women are even more so than average. Few women are cut out to go through the rough and tumble that real competition calls for in the market place; nor do they need to. The fatal flaw of feminism is encouraging girls to compete on equal footing against boys; when they victims are mature enough, they realize the folly in ever trying that.

  697. Josh says:

    @Petite

    “@Josh
    Or they raise self-sufficient children who work and pay their own way through college, create their own opportunities, and live within their means…”

    I am sure such parents and children do exist.

  698. Josh says:

    There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with studying art history, anthropology, archaeology, etc., that “may” generate no more than $30,000/year starting salary. Do it if your old man is loaded and supports you in going that route.

    If not, then no one is stopping your from doing it part-time as a passion for as long as it has not surpassed the income generated through the main vocation in sciences.

    Once the income, or at least income potential, has surpassed the tipping point, then leave the science field and focus on your respective passion.

  699. Petite says:

    @Josh
    Or they raise self-sufficient children who work and pay their own way through college, create their own opportunities, and live within their means…

  700. Josh says:

    That’s really sad. American parents are fucked big time, and most of it is their own fault.

    1. They save and spend ungodly amounts of money to pay for useless “education” that cost as much as a house does, and sometimes much much more.

    2. The twinkles in their eyes lose out to the better educated Indian and Chinese counterparts in the job market.

    3. They move back in with their parent as they don’t have much utility of the useless majors they selected to “enjoy” the college life.

    4. The parents continue to provide room, board and insurance up until they are 26 year-old.

  701. DorkyGuy says:

    Flyr, I doubt Josh is on Obamacare. According to the new rules, a person can remain on their parent’s insurance until they turn 26.

  702. Josh says:

    When was the last time a Republican or a Democrat refused Medicare?

    aaaaaaaaaaa…never!!!

    Why do I talk about Medicare on SA, because many of the SDs are on it. 😉

  703. Josh says:

    “I don’t want Josh to aggravate his carpel tunnel syndrome now that he is on Obamacare and I am paying.”

    No grandpa, I am far from the fucking Obamacare. I have a cushy health insurance thanks to my employer who had to pay millions in voluntary donation because your friendly idiots blocked funding to Obamacare and the Obamacare chief honcho had to come begging for corporate donations, or else.

    When you kick the bucket soon, your spend on medicare could be saved and used for people worth saving.

  704. Josh says:

    My current favorite is Cheryl Sandberg.

    “Sandberg comes from a government background and has worked her way up to the top of two major tech companies. Now she’s working on a movement to change women’s position in the workforce, and she’s recruited celebrities and traveled the globe to do it.”

    For whatever it is worth, Sandberg’s style of “feminism” is pretty sexy. 😉

  705. flyR says:

    Actually I am happily involved with an awesome SB and here as an occasional break from too many mindless business emails.It’s been some time since I have used SEARCH to sift through the vast sea of moist, wiggly sugar and my profile is, I believe, hidden.
    .
    Thus, instead of warm introductions I am relegated to an unending stream of Somalian bank schemes.

    I would share stories, but they stay behind closed doors and besides I don’t want Josh to aggravate his carpel tunnel syndrome now that he is on Obamacare and I am paying.

  706. @yougottabekiddingme – Thanks for recognizing :)

    “Means to an end” = my personal objective which is something a little bit less than traditional SD/SB but without all the stereotypical courtship ritual associated with the “dating” thing. If I have the opportunity to meet someone, 9 times out of 10 I usually ingratiate myself and win their favor. It’s not something I abuse though and I really only pursue if I feel a meaningful connection. So for me, “the end” is companionship of an affectionate woman that may or even may not, require a monetized thing. Some, I’ve found, just want an older, more experienced and intellectual sort to engage their minds in a way that males of their peer group simply do not. I’ve met gals from the site that quite literally wanted nothing monetary from an intimate encounter. Again, SA just gives me a bit of an edge that I can’t get from a traditional dating site.

    @LegalBarbie28 – Lol, Sir Mix and I could probably chat for days over common kinks 😉

  707. Josh says:

    Best of success to Lainey.

    Just keep in mind that flyR is a mega bullshitter. 😉

  708. Whoo Hooo!!! Go Lainey! FlyR is obviously interested! Lol

  709. “That said, my hats off to Chan Laiwa.”

    Yay go chan…. Also hats off to
    Oprah Winfrey
    Sarah Blakely
    Doris Fisher
    And Meg Whitman (I’ve always been an Ebay fan!)

  710. flyR says:

    Lainey

    It’s a challenge, not unlike someone representing any desirable and highend item from jewelry to jets to jewelry to Ferraris to expensive clothing to homes. The world is filled with tirekickers and their fantasies.

    The Louis Vitton and other stores at one of the luxury malls in Paris had an interesting idea , you were held at the door like a nightclub behind the velvet rope. You were asked to specifically declare what you wanted to BUY and then escorted to that department. Unless you had a two digit plate you were not allowed to wander around fondling the merchandise.

    If you are initiating a contact I would be very open –

    as you can see my allowance expectations are in the substantial range. If that something that is comfortable for you, perhaps we should talk. I’m pretty confident you will not be disappointed. If this is not for you I wish you the best in your search.

    I think the two messages you want to send are a) lowball negotiations are a fool’s errand b) If you are interested I’m someone you need to talk to .

    My end thought is that some of the wealthiest people I have met are the stingiest, more likely to renegotiate an agreement or simply forget that they had an agreement. You need a SD with resources, integrity and the desire for what you bring to the table. But I don’t need to tell you this because you already know.

  711. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    “Well, if Josh doesn’t consume space, then that means that he has no matter. Being matter-less, one can then reasonably conclude that he doesn’t matter.”

    Would it matter at all if you invited me to the celebration party after receiving the Nobel Prize in physics? 😉

  712. Josh says:

    @Petite

    “@Josh
    Not everyone can be Chan Laiwa”

    Chan Laiwa (陳麗華, 陈丽华) is the founder and Chairman of Fuwah International Group, one of Beijing’s largest commercial property developers. She is currently the 10th richest mainland Chinese and the richest women in China and one of only 19 self-made female billionaires in the world. [Wikipedia]

    Sweetheart, as long as women are content with just sucking the money off of men, they will continue to be on men’s mercy.

    That said, my hats off to Chan Laiwa.

  713. DorkyGuy says:

    “I don’t hog up the space…I just post a lot. That’s all.”

    Well, if Josh doesn’t consume space, then that means that he has no matter. Being matter-less, one can then reasonably conclude that he doesn’t matter.

  714. Josh says:

    @flyR

    ““Let’s move on” is usually libspeak for I’m out of arguments and loosing”

    No grandpa, it means I don’t want to engage when my input is NOT appreciated.

    That said, now you know exactly why I keep a tab on you. It is because from day one of my posting on this blog, you have a history as well as propensity of trying to put me down whenever you can sneak your idiotic attacks. 😉

  715. Petite says:

    @Josh
    Not everyone can be Chan Laiwa

  716. flyR says:

    “Let’s move on” is usually libspeak for I’m out of arguments and loosing

  717. Lainey says:

    Granted *some
    *so I only

  718. Lainey says:

    @flyR well his net wasnt high either. Lol. And I refuse to have a SD that I make more money than (granted sine could be lying on their profile) but I do not have the patience to sift through the BS do I only associate with what appeals to me at first glance. Now had he favorited or contacted me its possible I would’ve entertained slightly but I’m not going to be the pursuant of something seemingly unfavorable

  719. Josh says:

    Just happened to look up 10 richest women in the world. Every fucking one of them has inherited money from father, husband or even brother. Must be nice!

  720. Belle says:

    Indeed erythroniums are pretty.

  721. Petite says:

    @Fake Josh
    Lol!
    My SA age and actual age are both 22.
    But I still get carded to see R-rated movies, so go figure

  722. Lol, Dark horse. Yes it can 😉

  723. flyR says:

    @ Lainey
    some alternate explanations
    a) He does not want to state his real income

    b) He has $10 million in the bank making 1% thanks to the admn and the banksters..

    c) He has $30 million of real estate, after depreciation , interest, ponies, interns etc he reports $100K

    d) I think someone is foolish to show a lot of income here for many reasons

    The key question is can he afford your level of sugar on a sustained basis and is he willing to keep his commitment.

  724. Josh says:

    Keeping in mind that it is not “polite” to ask a lady’s age, may I ask what’s you SA age Petite? 😉

  725. Petite says:

    Awwww erythroniums are pretty…

  726. DarkHorseSD says:

    RussianSB my avatar is e erythronium you’ve hoped for in life.

    RussianSB my avatar is everything you’ve hood for in life.

    – from the above two auto corrected by iOS statements, I hope whatever I said can be derived.

  727. Josh says:

    “let’s move on” simple means “let’s not dwell on it” or maybe “let’s fuhgeddaboudit.”

    As far as “voice”, I don’t hog up the space…I just post a lot. That’s all. 😉

  728. But please do not insult me and then tell me to “move on.” You are not the only one who has a voice on this post.

  729. “As a young lady that lives in one of the biggest cities in the US, Trust me, you are [far] from being one of the few SBs that are not forced to settle for low allowances or a less than desirable SD.”

    Josh, I’m not for sure if English is your first language? Not even being able to fully comprehend the significance of a simple 3 word very well known statement
    (“Do you girly”), concerns me quite a bit. So you are correct, my arrangements are in fact my business. And respectfully sir, considering that once again your comprehensive skills are in question, I’m not understanding how you feel as if you have the credibility to give me grammar advice.

  730. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    Fair enough…let’s apply your correction

    “As a young lady that lives in one of the biggest cities in the US, Trust me, you are [far] from being one of the few SBs that are not forced to settle for low allowances or a less than desirable SD.”

    My request still stands…write simple English in your messages to your POTs.

    All that said, if you did not like the above suggestion. Then no problem. Let’s move on. Your arrangements are YOUR business, not mine. 😉

  731. @ Josh
    “Please translate this in English, and promise me that you will write simple English in your messages to your POTs.”

    Please make sure to read ALL of my comments INCLUDING my CORRECTIONS that follow before you proceed to make dumbass comments such as this! Not very bright of you sir.

  732. Russian SB says:

    DarkHorse – what you have on your avatar ? Pink extasy ?

  733. Josh says:

    By the way, why would/do people remember such little nuances about/around Josh? 😉

  734. Josh says:

    @DarkHorseSD

    “At least fake josh has the decency to remember my greatest josh taunt of all.”

    And I had thought that it was a promise. :(

  735. DarkHorseSD says:

    At least fake josh has the decency to remember my greatest josh taunt of all.

  736. Josh says:

    @LegalBarbie28

    “As a young lady that lives in one of the biggest cities in the US, Trust me, you are from being one of the few SBs that are not forced to settle for low allowances or a less than desirable SD.”

    Please translate this in English, and promise me that you will write simple English in your messages to your POTs. 😉

  737. Josh says:

    @DorkyGuy

    “Maybe fake Josh will be more likable.”

    You keep wishing. 😉