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Glasses for every drop you drink (Part II)
  • Posted Aug 19, 2014

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In the first part of this series, we discussed the design and function of the many kinds of wine glasses one might encounter at exclusive restaurants. While you are likely to see wine glasses in a fine dining situation, at a cocktail party any kind of glassware may be used, depending on what the guest is drinking.

Naturally, cocktail parties will offer wine from red to white to dessert to sparkling, so all of the stemware covered last time will be on display. Now, however, many other fun variations may be seen. Each different cocktail glass not only provides the ideal taste experience for its matching drink, but also embodies a signature “look” for the lady or gentleman holding that cocktail.

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The Rocks Glass

A “rocks” or “old fashioned” glass is perfect for aromatic spirits and liquors which you keep cool with ice. This is the classic cocktail glass. This is the glass you’d see in the hand of Don Draper as he unwinds at home after a day at Sterling Cooper. (The other hand would be holding a cigarette, of course.) A man or woman holding a rocks glass gives off an air of old school charm, a bit of throwback bite with his or her practiced savoir faire.

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The Collins Glass

Thin like a champagne flute but the same diameter at the top as at the bottom, the Collins glass is perfect for drinks utilizing soda water for bubbles and ice to keep the drink cool as it’s held in one’s hand. The narrowness of this glass serves the same purpose as a flute for bubbly, as it minimizes the liquid’s exposure to air and thus keeps the drink fizzy for a longer period of time.

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The Highball Glass

Highball glasses are similar to Collins glasses in height, but the former is used for more aromatic drinks than bubbly ones, and drinks in highball glasses usually incorporate a lot of ice compared even to a Tom Collins. This is the glass universally preferred for Bloody Marys and Zombies. (Why does a highball glass hold such “horror”? Discuss.)

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Glencairn Whisky Glass

If a lady wants to impress her man of her alcohol bona fides, she can do no better than request that her whisky drink be served in a Glencairn whisky glass. Also known as a “dram glass,” the Glencairn was introduced in 2001 by a cabal of five master distilleries searching for the perfect glass from which one could enjoy whisky. Its unique design is reminiscent of a grappa glass, with a bulge at the bottom, but much wider are larger to accommodate the aroma of fine whisky. There are other glasses specifically designed for drinking whisky, but the Glencairn is the only glass used by every distillery in Scotland.

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Mixologists and Pretty Ladies

Those new to the more rarefied air of cocktail parties and exclusive pubs shouldn’t hesitate to ask their bartender or other mixing professional to demonstrate what glasses are used for what alcohol. Believe me, an attractive woman seeking some esoteric knowledge from her male barkeep makes a welcome addition during a shift that often seems repetitive and unglamorous. Requests (during slower periods) from an elegant lady for him to demonstrate some underappreciated area of his expertise will rarely be refused.

Once you develop an understanding of the different glasses used for cocktails, you can impress a date by asking for a custom drink and then telling your server or bartender what glass you’d like it in. Sophistication in drinking is like sophistication in wardrobe: It’s not strictly necessary, but it will be noticed—and much appreciated—by those with taste and class.

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279 Responses to “Glasses for every drop you drink (Part II)”

  1. Josh says:

    Thanks Kirsten. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. 😉

  2. Josh says:

    Yes Jayne. This is not the religious site of your denomination.

    @Kirsten, do the blog policies allow people–who obviously have problem with sugar–to make vicious post?

  3. Josh says:

    Elevent installment…

    I may have dodged another rinser bullet.

    The very first reply message indicated that her solo, face picture was real, she was honest, wanted to meet me for coffee, and that she wanted to go shopping with me immediately thereafter.

    Which fucking world are these women living in?

    I replied that we need to meet quickly to see if there’s chemistry and we will go from there.

    I am still hearing loud and clear silence from her… 😉

    This is how it’s going to play out:

    1. She is going to get a sucker, and will forever be looking for such suckers.

    2. She is not going to get a sucker and will declare that all men or at least those on SA are cheap (and of course creep).

    3. Since #1 is not sustainable after the initial and a couple of possible hits over few weeks/months, and #2 is frustrating to start off with, she will either come to senses or will quit the sugar space.

    4. If she quits sugar then she will either post ads on escort sites, get involved with massages, or will find a/another $8 (minus taxes) per hour job to “build character”. 😉

    Bad advice is rampant in the sugar space. One of my ex SBs came back with some scheme to extract money from me. She told me that a friend of hers whom I had communicated months ago told her that I promised X amount of money just to meet her. WTF! I don’t pay to meet and definitely not the amount that I allegedly had offered.

  4. It’s not that I’m fearful of having my picture stolen. Though I did stop using full face photos in public profiles after that happened.

    I mostly just don’t want to share my picture with people Ive never met. Most specifically when there’s a double standard. Really, Mr. Blank Man? You want my picture and your profile picture is a computer generated silhouette man? How about no. Or really, Mr. My profileistwosentenceslong? Umm…yeah, still no.

    Mr. Deal Breaker has a pretty minimal profile. He had visited mine several times without leaving a message. I didn’t bother messaging him because there wasn’t really much in his profile to reference. I suppose I could’ve said, “Nice blurred pic. I enjoyed reading the single sentence in your profile each of the five times you visited my profile. Wanna ph*k?”

    So!!!

    In considering the given advice…

    I decided maybe I should consider where Mr. Blur was coming from. I did enjoy the few exchanges we had via message afterall. Maybe I’ll send him a picture. Then he’ll maybe his distrust will subside, and he can also feel elated by maintaining his manpower. Fine, I submit.

    Except for that…

    Mr. Blur/Deal Breaker has deleted his account :).

    Ain’t that sexy.

    I suppose it could be argued that ygbkm was the drop that tipped the bucket. Perhaps he got fed up and threw in the towel for a number of reasons. Or maybe he closed his account and opened another…for a fresh start :).

    Anyway…

    Yes, Kirsten…I’d rather be eating grilled corn, I think.

  5. Elaine says:

    No Josh, my “Good Intentions Challenge”!

    The SB you are refering to, (who is not more-over-the-top as I am btw) was talking about a different situation.

    I more and more starting to realize I am in a very luxurious position to always have found SDs I would gladly date IRL and whom I find attractive.
    And I am an seasoned adult, making clear choices, so no “loss” in that case.

    But if you are a young, unexperienced (and desperate) girl who is the target of one of the predators on this site?
    Yes it could be a great emotional loss/scar/shock!

    And can also be the start of the earlier discussed “lack of trust” spiral…

  6. Josh says:

    “should I speak of a “loss” in that case?”

    Please don’t forget certain over-the-top SBs have classified such happenings as a great emotional loss/scar/shock a woman CAN NEVER recover from. 😉

  7. Josh says:

    Elaine

    “Hopefully the G.I.Challenge will also cause reaction.”

    If you are referring to GastroIntestinal challenge then you bet there would be a reaction, pretty interesting one, if I may say so. 😉

  8. Elaine says:

    @ YGBKM

    I understand your fear for having your pictures stolen, but you can choose who to show it by the private section.
    And even when Skyping, one can make screenshots..

    As far as distrust in sugar, it is a vicious circle I am afraid.
    With the rapid growth of SA, and their chosen marketing strategy they hare heading for quantity instead of quality.
    And that translates in more people having negative experiences, translating those negative experiences to others they meet etc…

    I might be naive, but my way of cooping with this is (after thourough selection!) to start every contact with a positive and trusting attitude untill otherwise proven.
    Untill now it has always paid back.

    Only one “SD” so far failed to meet his financial commitment.
    But hey! He was young, very attractive and we had a great night.
    Would have dated him IRL too, so should I speak of a “loss” in that case?
    I just shrugged my shoulders and moved on, notwithstanding the fact that I could have given him a hard time, being well known and married!
    (*moral of this story: Date only men you would date IRL too!)

    I strongly believe you can influence people’s attitude by yours to start with.

    ACTION = REACTION….

    PS. Hopefully the G.I.Challenge will also cause reaction. 😉

  9. Josh says:

    Nice try Elaine. 😉

  10. Elaine says:

    “In my experience, women are so used to Match dot com or POF experience where they are literally bombarded with date requests from primarily loser men, who may be riding the same kind of financial boats as they are. But they are reasonably “submissive”. I am not talking about certain kind of sexual preference here, but the way women control the dating process.

    Then on one fine day either they see a cheesy SA ad or are recruited by a girlfriend to get involved in sugar to get money out of men for doing pretty much the same they were doing in the regular dating game.

    They come here thinking of sugar as kinda sorta like regular dating only that they want to add a financial element to it ON THEIR TERMS, mind you.

    Then the reality hits them…hard.”

    And then they come here complaining they can’t find an SD….
    And this I don’t mean sarcastic or nasty (remember my Good Intention Challenge! 😉 )

    To be succesful as an SB, you need to be able to place yourself in SDs shoes.
    Invest time in a good profile, good pictures and “marketresearch” if you want to find a “good catch”

    I cannot repeat it often enough; scroll as much SB profiles as you can and judge them as if you were an SD.
    Who would you message, and why?
    It might not teach you HOW to make a good profile, but it surely helps to know HOW NOT!

    Amen.

    Now I think I have deserved a nice pic of tall, slim, dark and handsome Joshman :-)

  11. Josh says:

    “I know that Josh is generally plagued by paranoia”

    Maybe true to some extent but definitely not the kind involving irrationality or delusion as other SDs and I have provided ample challenges of dealing romantically with women in sugar space or otherwise.

    “but I can imagine that having discovered her “creative angling” despite finding her sweet, might lead him to wonder what else she’s angling.”

    No I am not. I don’t think that she’s “angling” anything that’s specific to her. She’s working under the broader “angle” many SBs are operating under. She’s trying to make the best of the situation she’s in AND those pictures might just be the best pictures she coukd use without having any deception involved.

    She could be a great actor, expert seducer or master rinser, who knows…but she does not appear to be the kind engaging in premeditated deception.

  12. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    “And what about you Josh?
    Slim, tall, dark and handsome?”

    I am your mystery man, forever. 😉

    “Such pity we will probably never know…”

    That’s correct. Sorry dear.

  13. Josh says:

    Tenth installment…

    Why do many women have problem digesting most of what is written here by SDs (flyR excluded)?

    In my experience, women are so used to Match dot com or POF experience where they are literally bombarded with date requests from primarily loser men, who may be riding the same kind of financial boats as they are. But they are reasonably “submissive”. I am not talking about certain kind of sexual preference here, but the way women control the dating process.

    Then on one fine day either they see a cheesy SA ad or are recruited by a girlfriend to get involved in sugar to get money out of men for doing pretty much the same they were doing in the regular dating game.

    They come here thinking of sugar as kinda sorta like regular dating only that they want to add a financial element to it ON THEIR TERMS, mind you.

    Then the reality hits them…hard.

    That is, first they are competing at a much larger woman:men ratio compared to Match or POF, and that the men here are not the same kind of controllable variety to whip around.

    To be continued… 😉

  14. Thank you,Elaine, for your advice. Maybe I should message Sir Deal Breaker and offer to Skype. I really…I mean really…really, really, really, really do not want to share my pictures online :(.

    I have had my image stolen before (not on this site), and I’ve had two potentials here share with me that their private pictures were used by creepers to create profiles. One was notified by a pot SB who had corresponded with this other profile, and found the tone rash and contrary to his disposition. She actually had the guys number to give him. He called and confronted the guy, and the guy hung up, deleted the account, and disabled the phone number. Who knows what else his image has been used for.

    Anyhow…

    I don’t want to be unreasonable, and it’s not that I think that men are being completely external by wanting to see a photo. But for me, it’s mostly trivial, and provides only a slightly higher guarantee than seeing a partial photo. Most specifically when a good number of people are sharing dated, “creatively angled”, and all out fake photos.

    One of the things that’s unsettling to me about this site is that the universally set tone is to err on the side of distrust…beyond general cautions…which is quite contrary to how I live my life and build relationships outside of this space. Now…yes, self preservation yada yada…I’m there. But that everyone seems to distrust everyone even after supposed trust and rapport have been established is like bugs on my skin. How does one decide who and what and when to trust. That so much of this trust is attributed to photo share seems disproportionately weighted. Even after sharing a photo, you’re still distrusting of that its a real photo. You really never know until you meet. In Josh’s case, it was a real but possibly deceptive? photo? Now, I know that Josh is generally plagued by paranoia, but I can imagine that having discovered her “creative angling” despite finding her sweet, might lead him to wonder what else she’s angling.

    I mean, it’s not like Im saying, “Youll never know what I truly look like, because when we finally meet, it’ll be my weightier aunt who shows up.” I don’t know…perhaps my sentiment is partly in that Ive never had anyone seemingly repulsed by the site of me. I know that it’s a common request and apparent expectation, but for me it’s more a matter of privacy and preference :(.

    Id much rather meet a person based on my observation and analysis of their presentation, and find them as they presented, than to be “whaled”, “dolphined” (depending on the type) or otherwise baited and switched by someone who now has my clearly identifiable image.

    See me in person, and take a picture with your mind :). If we decide on pursuing companionship, then that’s a different story :)).

    I know, Elaine, that your surely respected and considered advice, stems from experience and results. I do absolutely appreciate your insights :).

    I’ll post an update

  15. Elaine says:

    And what about you Josh?

    Slim, tall, dark and handsome? 😉
    Such pity we will probably never know…..

  16. Josh says:

    The part of the country I lived in is populated with land based whales and dolphines. Since I am not interested in the male variety, they can go to to hell.

    Since females are not that much interested in sex to start off with they don’t give a shit that it’s no fun doing it with whales or dolphins.

    Now those who are into whales and dolphins, more power to you. You are in heaven. 😉

  17. Josh says:

    “Hehe, I disagree”

    Good for you!

  18. Alexis says:

    “Refusing a picture for me would be a red flag.”

    It definitely *is* a red flag. Usually they are fat or old… or both. This is a site where a SB is basically selling her looks/self for money. There is no reason to hide your product unless there is something defective about it.

  19. Alexis says:

    “Scheduled time doesn’t mean rat’s droppings to women when they have to meet a male romantic interest.”

    Hehe, I disagree.

    I just dropped a potential SD because of his apparently inability to tell time. I’ve learned in life that people who are unable/unwilling to be punctual usually end up wasting my time. What a pain in the arse. I do understand that sometimes things occur but when it’s continual, forget it… I’m out.

  20. Elaine says:

    @ yougottabekiddingme

    Yes, you were a little unreasonable dear :-)

    A simple picture exchange should never be a dealbreaker and is an absolutely normal request in on-line dating.
    I mean, even if it is not all about externals, I would want to know if there is a chance I will find this person attractive.

    Why waste time, even if in the same city, with someone you find unattractive?
    If this pot. is a good catch, he will get hundreds of mails AND he probably is a very busy man. So he surely doesn’t want to waste time.
    Really, take my advice, make a fake male profile and see what happens!
    It will give you much insight in how SDs react, and why!

    Refusing a picture for me would be a red flag.
    What is this person trying to hide?

    No problem to have an unrecognizable profile pic, but two private pics should be available on your profile.

  21. Josh says:

    Sixth.1 installment

    This is an addendum to the Sixth installment.

    I just got “whaled” (or mybe dolphined) by this chick. Still a nice girl, and I still like her, but when I went back to her profile as to why I could not see the fat on the body a la writing on the wall.

    She used creative photo angles. That’s why. Live and learn I guess. 😉

    The cardinal rule of SA or any dating site photos is that if a woman’s got figure, there is no no no, not an iota, fucking way that she is not going to show it. So demand her to upload her full pictures on the site.

    Again, never ask the photos to be sent “for your creepy eyes only.” They must be uploaded on the site.

  22. Josh says:

    Just came back from the date with a 20 year-old. Everything was going well with screening and all, along with her lateness equal to the driving time from the restaurant, when she dropped the classic escort bomb on me. She texted, “are you interested in two girls?”

    I was like WTF! “After all this screening I get this?”

    For a split second I thought about canceling the meeting but then I decided to play along. She showed up half an hour late and we started talking over light dinner.

    She turned out to be just a regular girl, not an escort at all. She’s a very sweet girl and was trying to help out a not so attractive gf who is also on SA.

    She told me about some expenses she had incurred in not so anticipating manner. I slipped her that amount literally under the table. The thankful expressions on her face were priceless.

    The only gotcha was that she was a little chubby compared to her pix.

    And yes, I wrote one of my installments from the parking lot while waiting for her. 😉

  23. Josh says:

    Ninth installment…

    Scheduled time doesn’t mean rat’s droppings to women when they have to meet a male romantic interest. Therefore I gave up being on time long time ago.

    My “formula” is to ask how far does she live from the restaurant. That’s the least amount of time she will be late for.

    Right at the appointment I send a message, “how far are you?” 7 times out of 10 they “just left the house.” The other times, it’s anyone’s guess.

    I am still nowhere close, just making my way to the restaurant.

    All that doesn’t mean that the SD will be afforded any slack. She wants you to be her white knight in the shinning armour, albeit part time one.

  24. “Josh says:
    August 28, 2014 at 4:36 pm
    “Am I being unreasonable?”

    Josh: Who gives a shit. Get a battery operated lover and go fuck yourself.”

    Silly man. All I need to fuck myself is myself. I could tell you in a number of installments. Oh and “All the [real talk] I type here is free of cost. Results may vary. Try it at your own risk.” But then again…I suppose there’s only so many ways you can yank a wank. Poor boys.

  25. Alexis says:

    It could be under certain circumstances, but it’s best I don’t get into that.

  26. Josh says:

    Who am I to tell you what’s interesting, right?

    If he went while he came THAT would be very interesting. However, that would not be legally, sexually or emotionally interesting for you AT ALL. 😉

  27. Alexis says:

    “Your original posts were interesting. Your recent posts are short and many a times just agreeing with what I have written.

    If you wanted to show support, thanks, and I appreciate that.

    But I would appreciate it even more if you made interesting posts from your own sugar happenings.”

    Interesting to me would be something like “He dropped dead right at the table on top of a just-ordered Caesar salad omg!”. If something like that happens, I’ll be the first to let everyone on the blog know.

  28. Josh says:

    “Am I being unreasonable?”

    Josh: Who gives a shit. Get a battery operated lover and go fuck yourself.

    FlyR: Blah blah blah dumb blah blah blah dumber…

  29. Josh says:

    Eighth installment…

    Two of my most favorite actors said it brilliantly…

    Tom: I want the truth!
    Jack: You can’t handle the truth!

    I any kind of romantically-oriented interaction, women a NOT looking for the truth. They don’t give about the truth. They are looking for ammunition against the man involved. The more “truth” about your life you relinquish, the more powerful she will become in the “relationship” to use that information against you at the most opportune moment. The on-going goal is to establish how horrible that man is and how thankful he should be to her to put up with him.

    The flip side of the exercise is that the more evasive you are in her ever-persistent efforts to extract the truths about your life, the more mysterious you will become to her. At some point she will either give up asking questions and enjoy your mysterious existence OR she will dump you as an non-controllable horrible person you are.

    So pick your strategy carefully. I always choose the “mysterious man” strategy. It keeps them busy trying to find the truth about my life, and I keep the mystery going until they do something stupid, like trying to blackmail me by trying to shoot in the dark. 😉

  30. “Josh says:
    August 28, 2014 at 3:44 pm
    Seventh installment…

    Speaking of “creep”, only unattractive men are creep. Uglier man is a creep. Shorter man is a creep. Balder man is a creep. Older man is a creep. Fatter man is a creep. Ethnic-er man is a creep.

    Feminine-looking (candidate to be a gorgeous-looking transgender) People’s sexiest man alive is NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER a creep. If he does decide to become a transgender, then s/he has a great chance of ending up a creep though.”

    Funny, funny!!!

  31. Omg! Love installment six. You must’ve been reading my mind as I was just about to post this:

    Question:

    Do you guys require seeing a photo before meeting someone? Even if you live in the same city?

    My profile picture shows just enough to give an idea of my physique and facial structure.

    Had a guy contact me with a thoughtful email. Actually implemented Josh’s third installment pretty well with complimenting my profile. We connected really well over some email exchanges with subtle but undeniable sensual tension. Anyway, he said that no pic was a dealbreaker…even though I could see no more of him in his profile pic than he could of me. And I was fine meeting him without seeing his photo based on what I saw from his profile pic, and from how he presented himself in his written profile and in his correspondence.

    I’m a little disappointed with him.

    Am I being unreasonable?

  32. Josh says:

    @ygtbX

    All the BS I type here is free of cost. Results may vary. Try it at your own risk. 😉

  33. Josh says:

    Seventh installment…

    Speaking of “creep”, only unattractive men are creep. Uglier man is a creep. Shorter man is a creep. Balder man is a creep. Older man is a creep. Fatter man is a creep. Ethnic-er man is a creep.

    Feminine-looking (candidate to be a gorgeous-looking transgender) People’s sexiest man alive is NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER a creep. If he does decide to become a transgender, then s/he has a great chance of ending up a creep though. 😉

  34. Josh says:

    Sixth installment…

    Couple of rules about pictures.

    If she does not have any picture or the kind of pictures you like to see to determine if she is your kinda gal, you don’t ask for pictures to your email. Doing so will find you a spot at the bottom of the “picture collector creep” well, to climb out of. You ask her to upload pictures of your liking on SA. For example, I like to see full length pictures to know about her “real” body type and style.

    Regardless of the body type selection, anyone with face shots only, is either really FAT or at least chubby. Unless you like large women (more power to you), you don’t want to go any further until full pictures are uploaded either publicly or privately. Most of the women are into the “state of mind” bullshit. If their state of mind tells them that their body type is athletic, then that’s exactly what they are going to put, even though their body style is really like an American football athlete, not a soccer athlete. And don’t you worry, she is still looking for an “honest” man. 😉

  35. Jj says:

    Good posts Josh… have run into said sugar crasher’s and they do nothing but clog the sugar system…. Would really like if some of the “rafter dwellers” would drop in on the blog for real time sugar experiences, questions and information to spirit up the blog a tad…

    “Oh good grief?” C.B.

  36. I think you should charge for installments 6-10. You’re worth it, sweets. Create a pay-per-say profile, and maximize your earning potential.

  37. “Third installment…fourth installment…fifth installment…”

    It’s growing ever longer, babe. Impressive.

  38. “How do you know that either Brandon and/or her direct supervisor has not made a healthy, alive and kicking blog her top priority?

    You don’t know…right…then why allude to things you don’t know in a condescending way?”

    Well, dear, because she told me, and you and everyone else that she has, not only other responsibilities with SA, but also writes for other blogs.

    “@ygbX

    Sorry just realized that you DID NOT mean it that way. ”

    Thanks for that, Joshygrumps. I do appreciate your bleached, more cleanly presented bunghole over the all out crappy one.

    Ok…I think Ive managed to gross myself out with that one :(

  39. Josh says:

    Nothing is for sure but the remaining SBs have wide range of potentials tocmake mutually beneficial arrangements with.

  40. Josh says:

    Fifth installment…

    Very quickly eliminate escorts or escortish SBs. They want to meet right now (because they are horny) or sometime today. They also want to discuss arrangement within few back and forth of messages. Give them a low ball number and move on.

    If any of them does accept your low ball number and you are into such SBs, do whatever you want to do. Or if you do like her offer whatever and do whatever. It’s your money and your health. 😉

  41. Josh says:

    Fourth installment…

    Very quickly eliminate rinsers. The rinsers inist on getting paid either before the personal meeting (need to pickup car from shop or babysitter fee costing $100s or whatever) or to be paid during or at the end of the first meeting.

    Almost all of them want free money. The odds are seriously against the SD that he will get anything out of this. If the SD pays for nothing then the thing will be very prohibitively expensive, if at all ever provided.

  42. Josh says:

    @ygtbX

    Third installment…

    First send compliments on her profile NOT the pictures. Most SBs are fucking clueless as to what to write.

    So the acknowledgement of their dumbass profile is strong foot in the door. Those who compliment on the profile shall have/get better arrangement compared to those who first compliment on the pictures.

    Picture complimentor will have to dig himself out of the “creep” well. 😉

  43. nicegirl says:

    @ygbkm… I know right. I wish they would get together already! ;o)

  44. Josh says:

    @ygbX

    Sorry just realized that you DID NOT mean it that way. 😉

  45. Josh says:

    @ygbX

    “And don’t go bothering Kirsten, lovey. She’s much more important happenings to tend.”

    Now I consider this condescending.

    How do you know that either Brandon and/or her direct supervisor has not made a healthy, alive and kicking blog her top priority?

    You don’t know…right…then why allude to things you don’t know in a condescending way?

  46. Josh says:

    @Alexis,

    Your original posts were interesting. Your recent posts are short and many a times just agreeing with what I have written.

    If you wanted to show support, thanks, and I appreciate that.

    But I would appreciate it even more if you made interesting posts from your own sugar happenings.

  47. “Whether Alexis or anyone else agrees/disagrees with me, I don’t give a… ”

    That’s the spirit, baby.

  48. “Josh says:
    August 28, 2014 at 10:07 am
    @ygbX

    Apparently “her” posts give some of you an opportunity to…beat the heck out of a “strawman” someone has apparently created for whatever reason.”

    Shame on someone!

  49. Josh says:

    @ygbX

    Apparently “her” posts give some of you an opportunity to…beat the heck out of a “strawman” someone has apparently created for whatever reason.

    Whether Alexis or anyone else agrees/disagrees with me, I don’t give a… 😉

  50. hehehe…love it!

    nicegirl…

    Poor Alexis is so close to Josh’s heart, and mind, and speech, and limbs that it’s as if theyre the same person with interchangeable sex organs. Thus distance isn’t an issue in this case. A rarity for sure, but I’m truly elated that sweet razorkisses has found true love in a way that only a smooth operator could. So, if he likes her, I love her. Despite that she only exists in the crevices of his imagination. He seems to have fun with her, so I guess that’s what’s mostly important. Surely he knows her comments are far too absurd to warrant any validity. She’s mostly laughable, which just might be what he’s going for. Ha.

    And don’t go bothering Kirsten, lovey. She’s much more important happenings to tend.

  51. nicegirl says:

    Alexis says:
    August 28, 2014 at 8:37 am
    “None of the girls at SA are out of my league. Just like any other SD, I decide who I play with, and what I am willing to do to play with a specific SB.”

    “This is spot on.”

    The only woman that would agree that she has no voice in the person she would date is either a very naive one or desperate one… IMHO

  52. nicegirl says:

    xxoo ;o)

  53. nicegirl says:

    She is agreeing because she is your type… I think you two make a perfect couple, it really is a shame you don’t live closer to one another.

  54. Josh says:

    @Alexis,

    You’ll have to stop agreeing with me lest the rumor mill of who = who keeps churning. 😉

  55. Alexis says:

    “None of the girls at SA are out of my league. Just like any other SD, I decide who I play with, and what I am willing to do to play with a specific SB.”

    This is spot on.

  56. “Josh says:
    August 26, 2014 at 1:36 pm
    @ygtbX

    Sorry about my last comment. It was below the belt. ”

    It’s ok, sweetkisses. You’ll make up for it later.

  57. I get laughs out of “Oh good grief”. It’s so goofy, it’s funny.

    “Just because we’re old doesn’t mean we have to be boring.”

    Funny, too.

    Good to read from ya, FB. Anything new?

  58. nicegirl says:

    I thought I was the only one that could speak French in Russian!… I have always loved this ad campaign. lol

  59. Eloquence says:

    Houston… Houston… Is this thing on? @ Nicegirl…. lol.. That was FAN-tastic!

    Of course Josh… I am awaiting you to “ping” me at something any moment now… Just wait… I will attend an SA campfire before 2015. Trust me! :)

  60. nicegirl says:

    Oh… “J” what you don’t realize is that I don’t care… You rarely have anything positive to say anyway. I think if you said something that didn’t resemble the sound of a google search I would be sure aliens have taken over your brain… or your college roommate is blogging for you!!!! ;o)

  61. Josh says:

    Suit yourself and, since you refuse to refrain, brace yourself for timely spanking as I feel fit. 😉

  62. nicegirl says:

    lol… Oh alright… J ;o). I can’t promise that I will refrain if you’re being too ridiculous. It is just too much fun calling you out on the crap you dish… so sorry :( You will just have to work harder to ignore me. Are we having fun yet?? :)

  63. Josh says:

    @nicegirl

    “I enjoy reading your “stories” and prospective based on “experience”.”

    Unfortunately, I can’t say the same about your posts.

    Your posts are utterly boring to me. I have asked you repeatedly not to use my name in your posts but you refrain from doing so, and thus continue to engage in dialog with me, which I prefer not to.

    So stop using my name in your posts and allow me the common courtesy to ignore your utterly boring posts.

  64. nicegirl says:

    Ok josh…. You can live in that “sex fantasy” you have created for yourself. I enjoy reading your “stories” and prospective based on “experience”. For the record…. I think most of the ladies on SA are so far out of your reach it is humorous. Stick with the naive ones that don’t know how to decipher your BS…

  65. Josh says:

    @nicegirl

    “I am out of your league Josh.”

    Unless you go thru the FB challenge, your assertions are meaningless. I may not even want to play with you. 😉

    None of the girls at SA are out of my league. Just like any other SD, I decide who I play with, and what I am willing to do to play with a specific SB.

  66. nicegirl says:

    “unless it’s your way of writing “spank me daddy”. ;)”

    If and when I say “spank me daddy” some man boy named “josh” would not be who I am talking to. This I can say for certain. I am out of your league Josh.

  67. Jj says:

    Joshy, oh Joshy….. you disappoint me so…. you can “dish” it up, but the moment someone offers the slightest in jest response…. you run tail tucked to…… and complain someone has trampled upon your so easily bruised timid ego…. “Oh good grief” C.B.

  68. Josh says:

    @ygtbX

    Sorry about my last comment. It was below the belt. 😉

  69. Kms2014 says:

    @ Josh, was teasing about proxy servers because remember the days back when you thought I was a SS proxy 😉

  70. nicegirl says:

    Oh Josh, you over estimate your value.

  71. Josh says:

    @yougottabekiddingme

    “I demand a recount!”

    Recount of hair in your slowing growing bush? I seriously doubt that Kirsten is in to such activities. 😉

  72. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl

    If you think that criticizing me bring attention to your primarily worthlessness posts then what can I say? 😉

  73. Josh says:

    @Kms2014,

    It’s true that one can do that, but with all due respect to the fine bloggers who post whatever they do with their free will, how do you think that their posts bring any value to the BS I write here? 😉

  74. nicegirl says:

    touchy, touchy…… ;o)

  75. Josh says:

    Oops I missed that she has a “theory”. I guess I should be impressed when limited brain power comes up with theories.

  76. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl, you might want to use your limited brain capacity for something that makes you happy.

    However, if wild guesses make you happy, then what can I say?

  77. nicegirl says:

    My theory is that he is a computer science major and has lots of access to different IP addresses/servers. ;o) This would make an interesting short story actually… hmmmm

  78. Kms2014 says:

    How about proxy servers 😉

  79. Impressive clout, babe.

    I demand a recount!

  80. Alexis says:

    *watches the torso begin to flail*

  81. nicegirl says:

    thank you for your “commentary”…

  82. Josh says:

    @nicegirl

    I have been ignoring your posts. They are basically boring to me.

    However, when you decide to accuse me of things you have no knowledge of and/or your limited grey matter capacity cannot handle, then it becomes very hard to ignore such posts.

    So, once again, stop making direct references to me in your posts, unless it’s your way of writing “spank me daddy”. 😉

  83. nicegirl says:

    @ygbkm… It does make one wonder – Either Josh is attracted to extremely naive women with low self esteem or he likes to encourage the behavior because he enjoys the flurry of commentary it creates on the blog… kind of like keeping the loud obnoxious girl on the reality show – for ratings lol

  84. I’ve already recycled my virginity, dear. No hymen reconstruction necessary.

    And how dare you sic Kirsten on me, sweets. That’s no way to treat your number one iced merkin contender. It’s not like I said Alexosh. Besides, didn’t you allude that I was N.S.&N.’A.’ or someone? Pots and kettles are of the same liking.

    I’m sure the blog gods know that the last thing I wanna do is upset my one and only sir beau.

  85. Josh says:

    @yougottabegettinganhymenreconstruction

    Stop alluding that I am posting with ids other than Josh.

    Kirsten?

  86. Yep, nicegirl…

    You read it, right.

    But you might be right, Jalexis…

    Instead of drinking alcohol, you could order it over ice, and dump it over your head. Then donate the cost of the drink to The International Society of Virginal Men with Unneccessary Hymen Operations (TISVMUHO) pronounced tis-vmoo-ho.

  87. nicegirl says:

    “This, I do disagree with. There are many ways to gain knowledge without “experiencing”. Knowledge is just memorized information.”

    This quote is knowledge at it’s most ignorant state of being… I mean really?

  88. Oh lord, he’s losing it.

  89. Alexis says:

    Awww mom, I’ll be ok.

  90. I worry about you, Alexis.

  91. Alexis says:

    “At any rate, I don’t see any reason for you to drink if you don’t want to.”

    I don’t see any reason either which is why I don’t drink lol.

    “As for gaining knowledge of alcohol for relative context and conversation with others who do…true knowledge is only gained through experience.”

    This, I do disagree with. There are many ways to gain knowledge without “experiencing”. Knowledge is just memorized information.

    “But for just the purpose of having a frame of reference, you could still benefit from attending above mentioned tastings. You might enjoy learning of the history, regions and processes. In the least, you could enjoy the hor dourves that generally complement the tasting.”

    This was a nice suggestion, but I don’t wish to go into quite *that* depth. Mostly I’m just concerned on referencing memorized information so that I know what on earth people are talking about. This topic is almost completed except for the fact that I still have not finished memorizing which named drink consists of what ingredients.

    C’est la vie, all good things come with time.

  92. Josh says:

    “thought-induced orgasm at work”

    (Hmmm) 3rd power!!!

  93. No really. I had a thought-induced orgasm at work once, and had to pretend I pulled a muscle. Oh the pain, lol.

  94. Josh says:

    “The only time I hold back now is…not to frighten or weird out passersby.”

    Hmmm. 😉

  95. Actually, yes. A woman can him back squirting much like she can hold back an orgasm. Connection, trust and comfort with a partner are key in submitting to ones own body and that of her partner. Sometimes, though, even with that, the preceding sensation can feel much like the sensation you experience with urination. So the woman might hold back so as not to wet herself essentially. It was a long while after I first had sex that I actually experienced an orgasm from vaginal penetration. My first orgasm was amazing. The partner I was with at the time wanted to understand why I wasn’t having a vaginal orgasm. It’s actually very common with women. I thoroughly enjoyed our sex, and never felt disappointed or displeased because I hadn’t had a vaginal orgasm. I shared with him that there were times that I felt like I’m going to have an orgasm, but it felt like I was going to pee. He told me to just let it go. I did, and it was amazing. It was the beginning of a lovemaking evolution. I now enjoy a magnitude of orgasms both controlled and uncontrolled. The only time I hold back now is to wait for my partner, to build up for a more intense climax, or so as not to frighten or weird out passersby.

    Yep

  96. nicegirl says:

    If a woman could squirt why on earth would she want to hold that back… can she even hold it back if she wanted to? Not sure because I am not one of the lucky ones that has ever experienced it. :(

  97. Josh says:

    From broke to billionaire, many a men have died miserable death because they thought that squeezing every ounce of fun in one session was somehow more manly than otherwise. 😉

  98. “Josh says:

    But if you squirt then maybe that’s something we may try AFTER we have gone bb.”

    Easy, cowboy.

    “Josh says:
    Stay healthy and alive is the best policy.”

    I like the way you think, loveypie. Well…every now and then ;).

  99. ““If nothing more, just reserve your alcohol consumption for holy communion.”

    Weird, but hopefully just a joke.”

    Yes, these are jokes. Well…kinda.

    Anyway…some places of worship use grape juice of the non fermented variety. Total ripoff, if you ask me.

    At any rate, I don’t see any reason for you to drink if you don’t want to. As for gaining knowledge of alcohol for relative context and conversation with others who do…true knowledge is only gained through experience. But for just the purpose of having a frame of reference, you could still benefit from attending above mentioned tastings. You might enjoy learning of the history, regions and processes. In the least, you could enjoy the hor dourves that generally complement the tasting.

  100. Josh says:

    Stay healthy and alive is the best policy. 😉

  101. Josh says:

    But if you squirt then maybe that’s something we may try AFTER we have gone bb. 😉

  102. Alexis says:

    “Unless one is going to peddle it or treat its after-affects, I don’t see much benefit in learning about alcohol. It’s one kind of bull piss or the other. All bad for you. 😉

    So I do agree with yougottabepissingme. That’s to drink as many different varieties as you can to learn what kind of taste you like.”

    I learn so that I may understand what others speak of. As for attempting different varieties, I have completed this and do not like any alcohol. It all just tastes awful to me. To each his or her or its own.

    “You might not enjoy it the first time you try it. Find something that you do enjoy, and branch off from there.”

    As stated above, I don’t like any of it. Even just the smell of alcohol induces my gag reflex, literally.

    “If nothing more, just reserve your alcohol consumption for holy communion.”

    Weird, but hopefully just a joke.

  103. By the way, aren’t we supposed to be in Chicago this weekend?

  104. “The pissy nature of the the pissy language is that “pissing” translates into a totally different pissing phenomenon from “pissing on”.”

    I’m disappointed, dear. You’re so vanilla.

  105. “No use in drinking anything if you don’t understand what it is, how it’s served, and what it’s made from. Anyway, I don’t care for liquor, tastes horrid.”

    Enjoying alcohol is a matter of an evolving palate of acquired tastes. Ultimately, imbibing is about enjoying and appreciating what you’re drinking, and the process behind it’s making. You might not enjoy it the first time you try it. Find something that you do enjoy, and branch off from there. Consider attending a wine, beer or liquor tasting. I went to a whiskey tasting not long ago, and really enjoyed trying the variety of blends and infusions. Made a ginger and apricot infused whiskey that I gifted to my potential.

    Anyway, you can’t miss what you’ve never had or don’t enjoy. If nothing more, just reserve your alcohol consumption for holy communion. I always wished that cup was bigger.

  106. Josh says:

    The pissy nature of the the pissy language is that “pissing” translates into a totally different pissing phenomenon from “pissing on”. 😉

  107. “So I do agree with yougottabepissingme. That’s to drink as many different varieties as you can to learn what kind of taste you like.”

    I didn’t know you were into golden showers, baby. You kinky thing you ;-p.

  108. Josh says:

    Unless one is going to peddle it or treat its after-affects, I don’t see much benefit in learning about alcohol. It’s one kind of bull piss or the other. All bad for you. 😉

    So I do agree with yougottabepissingme. That’s to drink as many different varieties as you can to learn what kind of taste you like.

  109. Alexis says:

    No use in drinking anything if you don’t understand what it is, how it’s served, and what it’s made from. Anyway, I don’t care for liquor, tastes horrid.

  110. “This seemed like it had more pictures than part I; therefore, making it a much better article, in my opinion. Alcohol is a new life subject for me that I just began learning about last year. I still don’t know very much about it, but this adds to my knowledge base.”

    I don’t know that Id consider alcohol a life subject, and but if you want to expand your knowledge base, just drink some.

  111. Alexis says:

    This seemed like it had more pictures than part I; therefore, making it a much better article, in my opinion. Alcohol is a new life subject for me that I just began learning about last year. I still don’t know very much about it, but this adds to my knowledge base.

    Oh and cute little retro picture at the end, nice touch.

  112. nicegirl says:

    An interesting phenomenon is that most people are treated the way they treat others. A gentleman would be treated a such. That is a general post ;o)

  113. Josh says:

    “Why do I bother you so much”

    Not again. Stop addressing me. Thanks.

  114. Josh says:

    If you do want to practice what was preached in the Cosmo article then call flyR names.

    He will lick your shoes as a gentleman (pretentious? ) he is. I promise. I have seen him do that to obnoxious female bloggers here.

  115. nicegirl says:

    You are the one that said you were ignoring me remember (it was supposed to be so much fun). I am not the one ignoring you. Why do I bother you so much? It really has me perplexed. In reality I don’t care, just more of a curiosity really.

  116. Josh says:

    O! I vaguely remember the Cosmo article that instructed women in the art of identifying a gentleman. That’s to randomly call men names. The gentleman among them would not reciprocate.

    Stop calling me names or even mentioning me in your silly posts and stop interfering with my ignoring of you.

  117. nicegirl says:

    Ignore me already Josh… Please I am begging you, ignore me!!!

    Oh and BTW… That was completely inappropriate Josh, I am pretty sure my “word” wasn’t as bad as the one you chose to call me in the name of enlightening me. But I suppose that is because I am lacking sophistication to stimulate your intellectual pretentiousness. 😉 So thank you for that lame attempt at teaching me something.

  118. Josh says:

    And one of the many reasons you are on my ignore list is that I find you lacking sophistication to stimulate my intellectual pretentiousness.

  119. Josh says:

    @nicegirl

    Are you kidding me? You still are on my ignore list.

    That post was for Kirsten and your silly id was strategically used to make a salient observation about blog etiquettes. 😉

  120. nicegirl says:

    Wait… I thought I was on your ignore list? I suppose that is exempt when I am speaking the truth. I don’t mind being called a Cunt by an Ass… it only proves my point, so thank you for that, you adorably cute man.

    @Kms… No I am not for the UK, just like the word

  121. Kms2014 says:

    @nicegirl, are you from UK? Just curious, since you used ‘cheeky’…haven’t heard that, since I lived there (: Maybe, is just becoming slang in US more…

  122. Josh says:

    @nicegirl,

    “Josh you’re an ass”

    Since Sean is into teaching things to SBs, please allow me the pleasure and opportunity to share some pieces of wisdom with you.

    Here’s the protocol…

    When you call a man an “ass”, you give him the permission to call you a “cunt.”

    Similarly, when you call a man an “asshole”, the he is similarly allowed to call you a “bitch.”

    It’s all in the spirit of learning and sharing. OK? 😉

  123. Kms2014 says:

    @nicegirl..I know you were teasing 😉 I like to be too serious at times, hehe.

  124. Spoonfuldeazucar says:

    @CeeCee – That is one LONG profile! He should be impressed you took the time to read it all, I know I am! haha I am somewhat shy in my approach on e-mails, but that didn’t warrant a response like he gave you! Re:squirting; wish I could!

  125. flyR says:

    One thing I do like about the new format is the opening screen with local

    Morning chuckle

    first line of profile.

    I’m just a southern petite porn starlet originally from New Orleans!

  126. nicegirl says:

    Josh you’re an ass… but you know that, so I should say how sweet and adorable I think you are … cause that is what would annoy you.

    Kms – I agree with your comment – of course mine was supposed to be cheeky fun not taken literally ;o)

  127. Josh says:

    Bazinga!

  128. Kms2014 says:

    Well, depends..money(having it or not cannot make one ‘happy’). Having money certainly makes your life easier, though, and relieves stress, which does lead to unhappiness. However, the old adage has always been interpreted, in my opinion that, if you are not a happy person, at the core of your being, then money will not change that. Will be an unhappy person wealthy or poor. Aren’t there wealthy people who you have known that seem unhappy? Commit suicide even? When I worked at investment firm, there was this trust fund man…I say man because he had never worked a day in his life, and was quite wealthy, due to his trust fund, but he was the most unhappy, coming into the office crying sometimes, person I had ever seen…heard he had been in mental institution for depression. Perhaps, it was a mental disorder, or was the fact that he really had never worked for anything up until his 40’s…dunno.

  129. nicegirl says:

    @sean

    “I might have to work on that “closet hanger” blog entry …”

    Come on Sean, you can do it!!! We know you will come up with something sparky and creative… Well (Josh) might not agree but oh well he doesn’t agree with much ;o) Who knows all the things one can do with a simple hanger??

    @Josh… you are much too serious –

  130. Josh says:

    Absence/lack of money does not buy happiness either. So why the fuck people continue to repeat this “money can’t buy happiness” shit over and over and over and over?

    The interesting thing is that you dont hear that shit from wealthy people. 😉

    I guess it’s like being an aging, senile FlyR who cannot get over the fact that even though money is involved somehow sugar is distinct from prostitution.

  131. Kms2014 says:

    I’m teasing, but liked your article on which glasses are best to use for which particular drink. Well done (: Most people who comment on blog are crazy, anyways, so pay them no mind 😉

  132. Kms2014 says:

    Sean, Josh is our resident blog critic….your article was fine, since I just put all my drinks in a bright red plastic Dixie cup, while at home(beer, wine, champagne, vodka…). The Dixie cups are good to use, since you can take them anywhere with you…or, even like in an ‘Always Sunny in Philadelphia’ episode where Sweet Dee emptied out her soda can and then poured boxed wine into the coke can. She had her wine with her everywhere, since it ‘appeared’ she was drinking a soda.

  133. Josh says:

    @Sean, 😉

  134. Sean Hoade says:

    silly, of course, not “sill”

  135. Sean Hoade says:

    Josh, the hanger idea seems sill at first (as do these “drinkware” posts, but it’s all about SBs feeling informed and comfortable around wealthier people, which is part and parcel of Sugar. Appreciating fine things makes an SB more attractive to SDs, since it conveys a sense of sophistication. Sure, Ellie May might be great in the sack, but do SDs really want to worry that she’ll hold her drink like a rube in front of his friends? One person’s “pretentious” is another’s learning experience. I might have to work on that “closet hanger” blog entry …

  136. nicegirl says:

    Something I saw and it made me chuckle so I thought I would share…

    “Money cannot buy happiness, but it is more comfortable to cry in a mercedes than on a bicycle” lol

  137. nicegirl says:

    The reality is that good sex is messy… “squirt or no squirt”, soooo if you are afraid to get a little dirty then you should become a priest.

  138. gentle(man)soul says:

    RSD says:

    @gentle(man)soul, “I would have dinner with you for $300 and no sex.” You’re on, bro. I’d pay $300 for a good conversation with you.

    Cool ! I’ve never been paid for a M&G LOL !

    flyR says:

    @Josh “No live squirting for me. Gotta limit exposure to them bodily fluids”

    This is a highly responsible and prudent response to the terrible dangers of cavorting with sensually engaged women. Your approach is to be commended and encouraged and should be the gold standard for young SD’s. Leave these dangerous women to the older SD’s who appreciate them……..

    I love those gold standards –for someone else . Re: Those body fluids ? Bring ’em on ladies ! (as long as they are healthy ) I am glad the younger cleanly SDs eschew female fluids, leaving more for us old guys. Ladies have ruined many a sofa, mattress ,rug ,car seat ,but the memories are fantastic ! Lot of moaning,groaning,sqealing,and appreciating went into those wet spots

  139. ss1959 says:

    Re: pre-meet sexting & squirting: I ejoyed a very hot couple rounds of sexting with one potential SB before we met the first time. It was fun, but required a bit of work to re-calibrate at the first meet. We’ve already talked about doing kinky sex things to each other and now all of a sudden we’re making small talk over lunch. A bit surreal.

    One other SB turned out to be a squirter. If she is to be believed — and I believe she is — that took both of us by surprise. Had to change the sheets that night.

  140. flyR says:

    @Josh “No live squirting for me. Gotta limit exposure to them bodily fluids”

    This is a highly responsible and prudent response to the terrible dangers of cavorting with sensually engaged women. Your approach is to be commended and encouraged and should be the gold standard for young SD’s. Leave these dangerous women to the older SD’s who appreciate them……..

  141. Kms2014 says:

    Different spanks for different wanks. When my whip or spanking stick isn’t handy….a hanger shall do, then….Macgyver would be proud.

  142. Josh says:

    Where do you think the adage “different strokes for different folks” came from then? 😉

  143. Kms2014 says:

    I never knew men used the girlie hangers to spank with…interesting….

  144. VeryViolet says:

    Also, I’m glad that almost everyone here has reacted positively to the squirting…it only happens 10% of the time for me personally, but when it does…Yowsa. Nice to hear that it is desirable and perhaps more achievable. ;)@dazed @gentle As far as the hanger discussion, my personal favorite are the thin black velvety ones! For delicates…clothing and body parts!

  145. VeryViolet says:

    @CeeCee I am almost 100% certain that I have come across this very same “SD”, a term which I am applying to him loosely. The line you quoted from his profile about the dog licking the Peanut Butter and the educated fleas…I highly doubt and sincerely hope that nobody else would have this same line in their profile. Interesting that he has been on the site for years and still claims to “not play games”. I think the others here are right, my assumption was that he was a total poser and had someone else write his profile. When I messaged him back after a wink that He sent ME, I was met with almost the same level of douchebaggery. The bottom line is that he is a LIAR and although he claimed to “have a huge c**k” and to “c*m buckets”, the pictures he sent me prove otherwise. :) So, fret not, dear. Consider this a bullet dodged.

  146. RSD says:

    Also I am not specifically criticizing women. I’m sure most men are no different.

  147. Josh says:

    OK people I want all my credit back. 😉

  148. nicegirl says:

    @Josh – there are issues with SB’s just like there are issues with SD’s… neither side is clear of shitty people.

  149. RSD says:

    Josh, you give people too much credit. A lot of SBs (not all) don’t think that abstractly. Most people do not know about discipline, keeping a promise, or taking care of another’s needs; these are not emphasized in our culture.

    At first I was very much bothered by how many SBs couldn’t show up regularly and on time but eventually I realized it wasn’t me, it was the way they live. The same SBs couldn’t keep jobs because they couldn’t show up regularly either. It’s not man vs woman but successful traits vs loser traits. I have definitely met SBs who were on a track to success, but the majority were on the track to blaming society for their own failures.

  150. Josh says:

    Two threads of SB behavior are pretty prevelent in the sugar space:

    1. These SDs are lonely old(er) men who missed out on fine ass in their younger years. So they’d better appreciate me for whatever bones of company and/or intimacy I throw their way.

    2. These are dirty, cheating old men who are fair game.

    I am sure that many other threads are also prevelent. 😉

  151. RSD says:

    @Josh, I’ll be sure to brush up on my Cosmo reading before my next sugar meet…

  152. Josh says:

    Wouldn’t the world be a great place if men stopped whining already and started rescuing women from their own follies?

  153. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “The only problem with that is that they have no way of knowing what my fantasy would be.”

    Wrll it’s YOUR fault that you have not read the appropriate Cosmo articles to clue yourself in. 😉

  154. RSD says:

    @gentle(man)soul, “I would have dinner with you for $300 and no sex.” You’re on, bro. I’d pay $300 for a good conversation with you.

  155. RSD says:

    @Jacob, “potential SD’s, are not actors. OTOH, many women are natural-born actresses.” Agreed. I don’t put up any act on a first date, other than making sure I am my most cheerful self. Many SBs feel like they have to act to provide a fantasy to the SD. The only problem with that is that they have no way of knowing what my fantasy would be. And the act will not last before their loser obnoxious selves are laid bare (pun intended)…

  156. RSD says:

    @CeeCee, if the guy responded he probably had some interest, if only enough to pull your strings. But if someone messaged me like that I’d be turned off. Then again, my profile is squeaky-clean with only indirect sexual references, if any. Even on first dates, I at most indirectly suggest that sex is expected, but almost everyone understands it when they’re to meet me in my “secret” apartment for the second meet. To me, sex is something I do with the SB, not something I waste time discussing with a pot.

  157. nicegirl says:

    @Jacob
    @CeeCee
    “I don’t find your initial note offensive. Some initial notes from women being too forward may raise the flag about “pro,” but yours is long enough and detailed enough tailored to the guy’s profile to show that you are genuinely interested in him. IMHO, either he is deliberately giving you an attitude to keep you in line (just like the mild shit-test you gave him at the very beginning of your initial note), or someone else wrote his profile for him and he forgot what’s in there. LOL.”

    So funny, when I read the long back and forth between the two it did seem as though he didn’t understand his own “secret code” or… maybe like Jacob suggested, he just plain forgot what his friend wrote! ;o)

  158. Josh says:

    Those who talk about “thin line” are usually bullshiting. Of course there are notable exceptions. 😉

  159. Josh says:

    Unless of course live squirting is part of the Gallagher Show where I am sitting with rain suit on. OR I am already bb with her. Then squirt away baby. 😉

  160. Josh says:

    @CeeCee,

    There you go sweetheart. As long as you know that your approach has its appreciators then you will do just fine working with those specific SDs.

    Just make sure that you are not dealing with those who take your style in a wrong way and at the end disrespect you in some way.

  161. Jacob says:

    @CeeCee
    I don’t find your initial note offensive. Some initial notes from women being too forward may raise the flag about “pro,” but yours is long enough and detailed enough tailored to the guy’s profile to show that you are genuinely interested in him. IMHO, either he is deliberately giving you an attitude to keep you in line (just like the mild shit-test you gave him at the very beginning of your initial note), or someone else wrote his profile for him and he forgot what’s in there. LOL.

  162. nicegirl says:

    @CeeCee…

    “You will find someone that finds your approach funny, witty and sexy, be open and you will find it.”

    CeeCee meet Dazed SD; Dazed SD meet CeeCee ;o)

  163. Dazed SD says:

    CeeCee,, A lot of people tell me I have a sick sense of humor,, but I thought
    your email was funny as hell.. We’d probably get along great !! LOL
    Oh and women squirting,, thats awesome.

  164. flyR says:

    @Cee Cee – If I am interested in a profile I’ll write with enthusiasm but also a little caution. It’s way to easy to be misunderstood in an initial communication or be perceived to be too open. It’s a thin line. Perhaps best kept as a closing line as you sense he is framing his sugar proposal.

  165. nicegirl says:

    NY ;o)

  166. gentle(man)soul says:

    @nicegirl

    HELLO!!!! LOL

    Where did you say you live ? LOL

  167. nicegirl says:

    That sparks a conversation in my mind that is definitely not Blog appropriate.

  168. Josh says:

    No live squirting for me. Gotta limit exposure to them bodily fluids.

  169. nicegirl says:

    @gentle

    “Squirting is a marvelous experience and almost always achievable if you have a relaxed partner and the skills to work that G spot properly .”

    HELLO!!!! LOL

  170. gentle(man)soul says:

    @nicegirl

    ” Name calling and Female ejaculation? probably too much too soon…”

    I agree . I have had several experiences with Pots sexting before meeting ,usually initiated by the SB. The multi-day evolution was so hot but none ever resulted in a meet . In fact they all flaked . So I learned early on not to get too sexual if at all –other than to subtly make it understood that sex is not optional just as allowance is not .

    Squirting is a marvelous experience and almost always achievable if you have a relaxed partner and the skills to work that G spot properly .

  171. Josh says:

    The hard ones were used before the class action suit.

  172. NC Gent says:

    Still have “a squirter” on my bucketlist haha still kind of like a unicorn to me…. often talked about but seldom seen :)

  173. nicegirl says:

    Blog topic ideas:

    First dates – where are good places to go
    hangers hangers hangers – what are they good for besides clothes
    How much is too much information in an initial message – Name calling and Female ejaculation? probably too much too soon…

  174. sexyrockstar says:

    Okay girl…..

    From one squirter to another.

    I think your first email was so much fun, until that part. I never told a guy how amazing my jazz is until we start talking about sex in person. I’ve made the mistake of telling guys how hot they make me in the first email. When I did that, they just treated me as a piece of shit, and I’m only good for fucking and leaving. Ole boy seems like an ass, so you’re better off. But no more telling men you’re a squirter until in in person talk. You’ll blow their mind.

  175. nicegirl says:

    OK Jacob… I agree with you. ;o)

  176. nicegirl says:

    OMG – I totally missed the long back and forth cut and paste that CeeCee added here… that is nuts! Why on earth would you both be waisting time emailing back and forth when you clearly don’t care for each other. His profile alone sounded like a huge confused turn off. UGH…

  177. Jacob says:

    Of course there is screening before dinner.

  178. Jacob says:

    “Yes, Jacob, you’re correct; they never have the decency to break up–they take your money and don’t reciprocate and when you try to dump them they make it sound like you’re mean.”

    It is their biological programming to take advantage of whatever is offered (for the benefit of their own children, and the uterus/reproductive system that will eventually provide the seat for the children). Do not wait for reciprocation; take what you want when you want. As far as the uterus is concerned, being occupied by a gene that sits around and wait for reciprocation is a waste of her limited space/time due to its lack of urgency to reproduce in the next generation. Not saying modern women are thinking that way in their frontal lobes, but that’s the biological programming of the reptilian brain attached to the uterus evolved during caveman time and prior.

    It is the same as the reptilian brain in men drive them to chase young healthy skirts. Simple biological programming. Honor codes work for men only because we play repeat games that go through hundreds of iterations in our lives. Our female ancestors played the prisoner’s dilemma game only about a half a dozen to a dozen times at the most in their lives, and each time carried a significant risk of death during child birth.

    “One thing about dinner is that it will weed out subtly obnoxious SBs who seem nice enough to the SD but who will treat the waiter/waitress with contempt or complain about the wait staff or food incessantly. Bad sign. This will not come out as readily at Starbucks.”

    Exactly!

  179. gentle(man)soul says:

    nicegirl says:

    “So I wish the main pic showed a guy that looked older than her younger brother ;o)”

    Right on Sister ! At least the guy should look like an SD and not a member of the Morman Tabernacle Choir . Staff–aim for an age appropriate male model –say 50ish ? You are right on with the girl though ! ( :

  180. gentle(man)soul says:

    @RSD

    “More recently I have paid a nominal amount (in my case $200-300) just so the girl doesn’t feel like her time was wasted if I don’t want her. I also strictly avoid anything physical on the first date, because I might get caught up in the passion of the moment and then not want the girl the next day and leave her feeling used.”

    Whaaaat ? Arent you a sensitive fellow worrying about your new SB feeling used . Awwww ! Are a you girl in guys clothing here ? No wonder you have a 100% return rate with your Pots . I would have dinner with you for $300 and no sex . How about it big boy ?

  181. Josh says:

    Duh! Why didn’t I remember that. Of course, it was HIS fault.

  182. Jacob says:

    “I don’t need to sit through a dinner to know if I have chemistry with a man. I can tell in the first 5 minutes of talking… The other stuff you mentioned I find out through talking on the phone and email. After someone gets comfortable enough their true self emerges even on email so I am not as worried about personality because I usually feel like I have a pretty good gauge going into the meeting….”

    That’s because men, especially potential SD’s, are not actors. OTOH, many women are natural-born actresses. Some even consider the role of SB is being an actresses. Well, I need to audition the person long enough to see if she can at least stay in role long enough for a full dinner, if she is acting. LOL. Nobody has complained about not wanting to be at a dinner with me after showing up, so far, and every single one of them wanted/wants to have a 2nd date with me, without ever hemming or hawing about calling me later about availability either. So it is safe to say that whatever I offer as a dinner companion is satisfactory.

    BTW, it is not a joke when I say women are much better at acting than men. Even my pre-teen daughter is incredibly good at role acting and story telling.

  183. gentle(man)soul says:

    @CeeCee

    Nutsos ! Both of you LOL. A lot of men like their Ladies to be genteel until in bed ,then let the wild child out . I expect to bed my SB the first date but even I would have been a little put off as well by that exchange .

  184. nicegirl says:

    I don’t think what she wrote warranted a reply from him at all. He should have just ignored her if he was offended. That is weird to me.

  185. Josh says:

    OMG! Just read the CeeCee is thinking about inviting him over here. Sweetheart, he will have the support of most of the SDs and sensible SBs. So think hard before you took that route. 😉

  186. Josh says:

    Agreed. CeeCee is not for me. 😉

  187. NC Gent says:

    CeeCee – I think you both have a warped sense of decorum, and you, therefore, may be a perfect match for each other.

  188. nicegirl says:

    @CeeCee,

    First of all, I agree with 42SWM, If being yourself in your message turned him off to the point of sending you a response then you wouldn’t want to be his SB anyway. He would completely bore you – In my experience those that talk about it… don’t actually do it!

    Your approach turned the guy off (regardless of how he sounded in his profile his, he isn’t as forward as you thought) I am not sure what he said in his profile to spark your message to him or the way you wrote it but some people (men and women alike) want to ease into the provocative chat not just jump in feet first – he sounds like this person. He wants to know you are open to being a certain way but maybe doesn’t want it full throttle in the first message.
    You might have held back in calling him a “Mother F’er” While I like being called a b**tch just as much as the next girl, it isn’t so endearing to be addressed that way by a stranger in the first message.

    “It seems to me that there is indeed something special about you, motherf**ker. (*a reference to his “I’m just a regular everyday normal guy”-bonus points if you understand the reference*)”

    If a guy said he was an “everyday normal guy” and that I would get bonus points for understanding what he meant it would mean something different to me than it did for you I think. Honesty, I think you just came on too strong for an initial email for this particular man. I am not sure he should have responded the way he did either based on what you say his profile was like. If he didn’t like your style he should have just not replied at all. If everyone replied to emails they felt were inappropriate back to all Pot SD’s or SB’s there would be a lot of wasted time being had!

    If you don’t mind my asking what his age was? Honestly, I think this is just a miscommunication and you are better off just moving on to the next Pot SD.
    Hold off on the name calling for after the first date ;o) Biatch! – (I say that smiling you know )

    You will find someone that finds your approach funny, witty and sexy, be open and you will find it.

  189. CeeCee says:

    @42SWM, I completely agree! This is solely for the purpose of his challenge. I thought his “I’ll show your email to everyone I know” was ridiculous as SA is supposed to be discreet. Now I’m fired up and just want to know if everyone else agrees with him as he thinks they will. Also, I’d love nothing more than to clue him in on this and have him read the comments on this blog!

  190. CeeCee says:

    SD
    Um… you’re kidding right?

    ME
    About which part? Lol…but most likely not.

    SD
    Well in that case congratulations! You’ve just taken over the top spot for the most crass, juvenile, and moronic method of introducing yourself to a complete stranger than I’ve ever encountered. And this is coming from a guy who routinely gets Emails saying, “I just need a daddy to buy me some new tits” You’re 31 for crying out loud. Grow up

    ME
    If this is about the “motherf**ker”, that is a reference to a Jon Lajoie song, ‘Everyday Normal Guy’…maybe I had the reference in your profile totally wrong. The “handsome, humorous and hardcore” was an allusion to your alliteration comment. I am SO confused…

    SD
    No, it’s about tell a complete stranger that you’re wet and you’re a squirter before even saying hello

    ME
    I actually pride myself on being intelligent, so I really am taken aback that you are so offended by my message. I apologize, I guess, and would appreciate more of your feedback on why that was moronic. Well, I did actually begin with a few other things, but after reading your profile, which had several sexual references, I thought I’d just be honest.

    SD
    Ahhhh so then you think a charming way for me to introduce myself to women on this site who I’ve never spoken to before would be to Email them out of the blue and tell them I have a huge c**k and I c*m in buckets? Yeah, I think I’ll try that and see how well it goes over.

    ME You do remember that you have those references in there, right? Even your line about being “bisexual, double jointed…like educated fleas”–and I caught that reference as well (Ella-I love jazz)…don’t you think that is harsh and somewhat hypocritical??

    SD
    That’s called humor infused with subtle sexual innuendo. HUGE difference between that and directly Emailing a complete stranger to tell them about your own female ej***lation. That’s just a really sad cry for attention as far as I’m concerned. And by the way, the song was written by Cole Porter, and he was referring to falling in love.

    ME
    Listen, I apologize for offending you. I am completely taken aback. You said you were looking for a sexual and physical connection as part of this. I would challenge you to show a trusted friend my message and see if they think it to be “crass, juvenile, and moronic”. Seriously. I do appreciate you taking your time to give me your honest opinion, but DAMN.

    SD
    Seriously? You STILL think that’s a charming way to introduce yourself??? Even on a sugar daddy site?? Tell you what, I’ll take you up on your challenge and show your Email to everyone I know and I’ll get back to you with their reactions.

    ME
    I know exactly what the song is about, thank you. The version that came to my mind is performed by Ella Fitzgerald.

    ME
    Oh, Perfect! Game on. I’ll do the same.

    SD
    Yes, and Ella sang the same chorus originally penned by Cole Porter And that’s why birds do it, bees do it Even educated fleas do it Let’s do it, let’s fall in love So if you know exactly what the song is about, why did you use that reference as an example of me being “sexual” in my profile?

    ME (quoting him)
    ” if you’re ridiculously hot, bisexual, double jointed, and seriously turned on by high altitude coitus, then the dog can go sit in the other room and suck all the peanut butter out of his Kong while we do as the educated fleas do it. (Quick! Who wrote it? No Googling!)”

    ME
    Are you going to argue that you WEREN’T being sexual with your reference here? ^^

    SD
    How can I be sexual about a song that’s about falling in love???? And even if it were some sort of sexual double entendre, again, that still a far cry from Emailing a stranger out of the blue to tell them about the current status of your vaginal secretions. I seriously can’t believe you’re really this dense. This is just an act right?

  191. CeeCee says:

    OK, thank you. This is interesting. I’ll begin with my initial message. His profile had many innuendos and “bonus points if you know that this reference is”-type of comments. It also had sexual references throughout, which gets brought up later…bare with me, you’ll see why I responded this way :) I’ll explain some in parentheses…

    ME
    M***,
    I demand to know why someone handsome, humorous and hardcore has not been snatched up yet. (*he said he loved alliteration*) Your profile had me intrigued immediately. It seems to me that there is indeed something special about you, motherf**ker. (*a reference to his “I’m just a regular everyday normal guy”-bonus points if you understand the reference*) I read your profile, which is impeccably written by the way, and am convinced that we could be an excellent combination. I love that you included Rocky in your “arbitrary information”, I am a die-hard dog person. You can see my schnauzer son and I in our Seahawks gear in my photos. We have several things in common, which I hope we can discuss later…I must know, though…In your hypothetical date-night scenario (the stay in with pizza and wine *swoon*) you mentioned your Monty Python. I am in full agreement, by the way, but let’s just say that you left it in your laptop. I put in my ‘The Big Lebowski’. Your reaction is…?
    A few things about me: CeeCee is a nickname I acquired in school because I was the ‘C’heerleading ‘C’aptain and the double e’s in my real name. Silly, but some things stick with you. Also noteworthy: I’m a legitimate squ!rt*r. I’m not sure how you feel about that, but I felt it was fair to inform you. Particularly because I am wet just from reading your profile (intelligence turns me on, I’m a word-nerd, sue me) and looking at your photos. I’d love to see what the ‘private photos’ are like. Let’s talk.

    End of my message…

  192. 42SWM says:

    @CeeCee:
    Sounds like someone you are far better off being without. While I generally recommend a gradual buildup of sexual tension, your SD sounds like an absolute dud in the fun department. If early communications reach that kind of tension, best to just walk away rather than try to reason your way through it. Couples counseling is for couples, not people just getting to know each other.

  193. nicegirl says:

    @CeeCee…

    Ok, show the email. I can only give my personal opinion and I POSITIVE you will have many by the EOD ;o)

  194. CeeCee says:

    I’d particularly love input from Josh, Flyr, nicegirl…also I wish FatBastard and Spicey were around to help… How does one change the little image by the comments, by the way?

  195. CeeCee says:

    This is where the challenge came into play…I’d LOVE opinions so I can either prove my point, or be proven wrong. I’ll put the whole conversation up if you guys are curious, but I didn’t want to take over the blog comments without permission. :)

    ME
    Listen, I apologize for offending you. I am completely taken aback. You said you were looking for a sexual and physical connection as part of this. I would challenge you to show a trusted friend my message and see if they think it to be “crass, juvenile, and moronic”. Seriously. I do appreciate you taking your time to give me your honest opinion, but DAMN.

    SD
    Seriously? You STILL think that’s a charming way to introduce yourself??? Even on a sugar daddy site?? Tell you what, I’ll take you up on your challenge and show your Email to everyone I know and I’ll get back to you with their reactions.

    ME
    Oh, Perfect! Game on. I’ll do the same.

  196. CeeCee says:

    So, I have been on S.A. for awhile now. I LOVE reading these blogs, solely for the commentary by you charming people! I never comment, but have come across a situation that need opinions! In fact, I was challenged to get opinions by a S.D.

  197. nicegirl says:

    … The puffy one is for the spankings???? I thought that was what the wood ones were for! Wow, I do need to read articles on hangers. Who knew…

  198. Josh says:

    For example, wire hanger was NOT invented to hang clothes. It’s a disguised tool that the man gets to store in his wardrobe for ready access.

    Also most women mistake the puffy hanger to hang blouse. They can. But it’s primarily a spanking tool that men store at women’s place.

  199. nicegirl says:

    That is a brilliant idea from a brilliant man…. hmmmm there are plastic hangers, wooden hangers, pant hangers, skirt hangers, puffy frou-frou hangers… but “No wire hangers….. EVERRRRRR”

  200. Josh says:

    As we all know, a hanger is not a hanger is not a hanger…

    Even though I was worried about it first, the idea of a blog topic discussing different types of hangers to use in a wardrobe is kinda sinking in.

  201. Josh says:

    Dinner, in conjunction with pre-dinner screening, works very well.

    The idea of initial screening right at the dinner only means that the interviewer is green or… 😉

  202. nicegirl says:

    @RSD… Ok, fair point. This is something that most likely will only come out in a social setting. I think it is more the “You more than likely won’t make the cut” comment that has me stuck on dinner ;o) LOL

  203. RSD says:

    Yes, Jacob, you’re correct; they never have the decency to break up–they take your money and don’t reciprocate and when you try to dump them they make it sound like you’re mean.

    One thing about dinner is that it will weed out subtly obnoxious SBs who seem nice enough to the SD but who will treat the waiter/waitress with contempt or complain about the wait staff or food incessantly. Bad sign. This will not come out as readily at Starbucks.

  204. nicegirl says:

    Sean – The next blog topic idea “First dates do’s and don’ts” or “How do you let her/him down if you are not interested”

    I am sure whatever you or another staff member writes will generate a stir ;o)

  205. nicegirl says:

    @ Jacob,

    I don’t need to sit through a dinner to know if I have chemistry with a man. I can tell in the first 5 minutes of talking… The other stuff you mentioned I find out through talking on the phone and email. After someone gets comfortable enough their true self emerges even on email so I am not as worried about personality because I usually feel like I have a pretty good gauge going into the meeting….

  206. nicegirl says:

    @Flyr…

    “Unlike a coffee, a dinner is long enough to figure out if someone is not interested.”
    “The problem arises when you come to that realization before the menu arrives.”

    Thaaank you for being the voice of reason.

  207. Josh says:

    @Jacob/2

    “At least I was working 100+ hours a week myself back then to make those self appointed goals.”

  208. “Josh says:
    August 19, 2014 at 8:24 pm
    “Beck says:
    April 13, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Twelve hour work day is a half day for me.”

    What?

  209. Jacob says:

    “The problem arises when you come to that realization before the menu arrives.”

    Then just order appetizers only and call it the evening. Not that it ever happened on sugar dates for me. The length of a dinner uncovers if the person has personality flaws like being picky, critical or seeing the glass half empty instead of half full. All those flaws can be easily covered up / censored in short interactions and texts.

  210. flyr says:

    “Unlike a coffee, a dinner is long enough to figure out if someone is not interested.”

    The problem arises when you come to that realization before the menu arrives.

  211. Jacob says:

    @Nicegirl,

    Unlike a coffee, a dinner is long enough to figure out if someone is not interested.

  212. nicegirl says:

    Wow… that is really awesome. I am sure teaching to those who really appreciate you and your talents is extremely rewarding. Rock on ;o)

  213. sexyrockstar says:

    Nice girl-

    Thanks love! I play guitar, started when I was five. I got into the sugar world because I hated teaching music to a bunch of assholes. So I volunteer my time by teaching music to people with special needs. It’s way more fulfilling. So,I am a rock star in my own right, lol. Think if Barbie had tattoos and piercings, that’s me. Lol.

  214. sexyrockstar says:

    I normally can tell how a guy is within the first few emails. Then I decide to exchange phone numbers. I do want an actual phone conversation, I guess I’m old school. I want to hear his voice..I want to know if his voice excites me. I try to get a feel before hand. I’ve had pots offer me some cash, but I always feel weird if it was just a drink or too. Them paying for the date itself is lovely. If I’m actually spending a lot of time, then a cash gift is always nice, but never expected.

  215. nicegirl says:

    @Jacob,

    “I can say for 100% certainty I have met Pot SD’s that I had no chemistry with in person and there was nothing that would change that fact and make me want to move forward with it. I am obviously looking at this from a different prospective.”

    My point was simply that there have been times where I am meeting someone and I can tell that they are interested in me but I don’t feel the same – In this case I would be the one saying “Thank you for the coffee but I don’t think we are a good fit.” I am sure there are SB’s that don’t care about chemistry but I do care about it and it is a requirement for me.

  216. Josh says:

    “Beck says:
    April 13, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    “I am sure you could find a happy medium for a SB”

    FatBastard sounds promising, indeed. I am waiting for his response.”

    Josh’s Note: Beck was waiting for FB’s response to blow him for $1,500.

  217. Josh says:

    Jacob/2 is drinking the good stuff again. 😉

  218. Jacob says:

    @RSD
    When you are paying the bills, the girl dumps you by cheating on you and refusing to initiate sex with you, not by telling you to get lost. Women control sex; men control relationship. She dumps you by removing sex from you and give to someone else; you dump her by removing relationship and give that to someone else.

  219. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    “Josh, did you ever find Beck’s apology letter for his posts being part of his coursework, like JJ mentioned?”

    Yes dear, but you’ll have to wait for that. 😉

  220. Jacob says:

    BTW, I don’t usually say that I’m the deciding factor; it was a response to your hypothetical question what if the SB said most SD’s wouldn’t qualify for 2nd date with her. If an SB ever gave such a shit-test, that would be my response. As simple as that. Otherwise, I’d just politely lower expectations like RSD said.

  221. flyr says:

    @Nice G I’m on the road a lot so there is time

    couple of exchanges on SA

    couple of emails to trade pics (i do not have pic on SA for professional reasons) and general stuff

    call or calls – there’s no substitute for listening to someone in real time.

    I’m not much for texting other than the briefest of messages

    alternatives for first meet (approx % )
    a – meet for coffee or wine 70%
    b- meet for dinner or wine and appetizers 20%
    c- meet for wine (or beer) on balcony at apartment if we are reasonably confident but with no commitments. 10%.

    I live in a small community but am in the a city during the week so it usually takes some time to arrange a meeting. Thus we generally know more about eachother and have had some serious conversations, solved most of the worlds problems, understand the sensual expectations of the other, etc.

    Dinner or appetizers helps me in that I am a firm believer that someone who is excessively picky about food (eating healthy is not picky) is not going to be much fun in bed. Have no statistics to support this but I am sticking to the concept. Someone who reaches over during a fun conversation and takes a bite from my plate is probably into fun.

  222. RSD says:

    @jacob, I just can’t get a girl to dump me. I can be nice or mean, clingy or distant, super generous or cheap, and it’s all the same. I agree that being nice can be perceived as a weakness, but I still am nice; no need to change who I am for a girl. They abuse my niceness and mistake it for stupidity but still the real control of the relationship and its end are in my hands.

  223. Jacob says:

    “I can say for 100% certainty I have met Pot SD’s that I had no chemistry with in person and there was nothing that would change that fact and make me want to move forward with it. I am obviously looking at this from a different prospective.”

    Why would I extend an invitation for 2nd date after a 1st date that shows no chemistry when there are plenty other 1st dates that show good chemistry? Myself being the decisive factor is simply because chances are that I’m on 1st date dinners far more often in a given month than any of the SB’s that I have invited, therefore I have more options in the sugar bowl than any one of them at that stage. Things may change over time if I develop oneitis towards a particular SB/GF after a LTR develops, but at the time of 1st date to 2nd date, the ratio is obvious.

  224. Kms2014 says:

    Josh, did you ever find Beck’s apology letter for his posts being part of his coursework, like JJ mentioned?

  225. RSD says:

    nicegirl, I agree, I don’t belittle the SB by talking about how it’s all my decision. I basically say that it’s no expectations either way and if either is not interested, no hard feelings. It’s just to take the tension off. And the money for the first date is mostly so they wouldn’t feel like their time was wasted, to entice them further to meet, and to show that I give what I promise.

  226. Josh says:

    “Beck says:
    April 13, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Twelve hour work day is a half day for me.”

  227. Jacob says:

    @RSD
    If I want a girl to dump me, all I need to do is becoming a supplicating idiot and a relationship whore (who offers relationship too easily, LOL). Such a poison pill works every single time. If you suspect money is doing the talking for you and you don’t feel comfortable about the artificiality of it, scale back the money, and see what happens. For the majority of first dates, I don’t even talk about money; If intimacy does take place (on whichever date count), she will be helped more than enough. OTOH, if her interest in intimacy with me is solely to capture and capitalize on a perceived gap in SMV between herself and me, I’m not interested in negotiating such an exchange and letting anyone insult me at all.

  228. Josh says:

    Pearls of wisdom from grandmaster of bullshit, Beck:

    “Beck says:
    April 13, 2013 at 11:56 am
    FB, The difference between a decent restaurant and a half decent one is the wine menu. So the answer to your question about how much a decent restaurant costs is, it depends. Good wine costs a lot of money with 5-6-7x markups. That’s why I started my own wine cellar. I have no problem paying, but I have a huge problem getting fleeced.”

  229. nicegirl says:

    @Sexyrockstar – I love your screen name. You sound like a Sexy Rock Star…

  230. nicegirl says:

    @Flyr – it sounds like you do a better job in general getting to know them in advance so the probability is much higher that you will have some sort of connection.

  231. sexyrockstar says:

    I make sure they’ve actually read my profile. There is a section that talks about the money, so there shouldn’t be a surprise when the amount is eventually brought up.

    I’ve met several men who I have zero connection with, physically or mentally. I only go with men that I would normally date irl. I date older men anyway.

    I haven’t run into someone that didn’t want a second date. I try to keep my dates fun to remind them I am a fun girl. Bowling seems to be a hit.

  232. flyr says:

    There’s nothing like a cold beer to quench a serious thirst , taking a break from rafting in the afternoon.

  233. flyr says:

    “I’ve gone back and forth on the issue of paying for first meets. More recently I have paid a nominal amount (in my case $200-300) just so the girl doesn’t feel like her time was wasted if I don’t want her.”

    No wonder they want to move forward…………

    My feeling is the first meet is a sales effort. A gentlemanly thing to do is to pay for dinner drinks or whatever, parking and perhaps some gas and babysitter – especially if they have driven to my location.

  234. nicegirl says:

    @Kms – I love me some Mad Men ;o)

  235. nicegirl says:

    @RSD –

    This issue I had with Jacobs approach was not that 100% of the SB’s want to pursue and arrangement after dinner it is that he tells them up front most don’t make the cut to a second date *that is just bad taste to say and so incredibly conceded even if it is true don’t say it like that* He also says that he is the ultimate one that decides if there will be a second date *as if she has no voice in the matter* Both of these points are frustrating and scream insecurity or desperation from both the SD and SB – IMHO

    I can say for 100% certainty I have met Pot SD’s that I had no chemistry with in person and there was nothing that would change that fact and make me want to move forward with it. I am obviously looking at this from a different prospective.

  236. RSD,

    I appreciate that approach.

    As for JacobOfYourLove…100% of zero is still zero.

  237. RSD says:

    @jacob last blog topic
    I agree that it’s possible to have 100% of SBs want a second date. I’ve been in that boat with 100% of 30+ SBs I’ve met all expressing further interest. I think the SBs who do not want me just don’t respond in the first place. But the whole thing is so lopsided that I always secretly wish for an SB I meet to be uninterested or an SB I’m with to dump me just so everything feels more real. Money skews things just way too much.

    I also tell SBs there are no expectations, just coffee or dinner, but the pressure for an arrangement is on as soon as I meet them. Some would text for weeks, if not months, trying to make things work. So I became super selective over time, picking just 1 or 2 people to meet.

    I’ve gone back and forth on the issue of paying for first meets. More recently I have paid a nominal amount (in my case $200-300) just so the girl doesn’t feel like her time was wasted if I don’t want her. I also strictly avoid anything physical on the first date, because I might get caught up in the passion of the moment and then not want the girl the next day and leave her feeling used.

  238. sexyrockstar says:

    Flyr

    Last night. Those smells are still lingering?? That Indian restaurant was horrible, go take a shower.

  239. flyr says:

    @ sexy “Didn’t last night mean anything to you???”

    aaayes the memories and flavors endure smile

  240. No, I think he’s booking tickets. Aint that right, baby?

  241. sexyrockstar says:

    Ooohhh, he got scared. He probably wouldn’t be able to handle us anyway. Ha.

  242. Im off this weekend. You game, Joshybabe?

  243. sexyrockstar says:

    Challenge: both you and her come here. This weekend. It’s my birthday weekend.

  244. Josh says:

    Regardless of how fancy words they use when referring to women some people’s mind remains in the sewer. 😉

  245. Josh says:

    1. Get a 12-pack.

    2. Go to KFC. Get two mega jug cups.

    3. Or go to 7-Eleven and get two big gulp.

    4. You get the picture.

    5. Consume one beer each.

    6. Dump 5 beer each in your respective cups.

    7. Put lids on.

    8. Stick straws thru the lids.

    9. Sip as if it’s nobody’s business.

    10. Next challenge please?

  246. sexyrockstar says:

    But..flyr…I love you. Didn’t last night mean anything to you???

  247. FlyR says:

    The curse of part II is upon us.

    Isn’t sugar just like prostitution ?

    No

    Why not

    It’s not paying for sex

    Well you are paying for something

    That’s true but it not sex. I can find sex without sugar and with attractive females

    So what are you paying for

    IBT. Insurance

    .? What’s that

    Sugar relationship means never having to hear the fearsome relationship words

    I’ve been thinking

  248. sexyrockstar says:

    @yougottabe

    That’s what makes it more fun. Drinking outside. In Chicago, I think you can drink on the train. I do it all the time. But yes, mr. Josh can be with us. Maybe we can put our beer in some fancy wine glass too! Sean..Mr blog starter, can even be there and tell us what we are doing wrong.

  249. “sexyrockstar says:

    Yup…yupp. I need a beer.
    @yougottabe
    Would you judge me if I drank a beer? Walk around the streets with a 12 pack? I’m a classy girl lol”

    I enjoy beer, too. Though I can only drink ~one and a half…pretty filling. No, I wouldnt judge you. Might even consider having one with you, but only if we wear really good running shoes (wonder how fast we could run under the influence), and only if we first arrange a life-line (Joshie, love?) to bail us out of jail. Its a no-go in my state :/.

  250. ” It basically depends on the challenge at hand.”

    no pun intended, of course

  251. Josh says:

    Sometimes you need pretension and the other times you need posttension. One is not better or worse than the other, you know. It basically depends on the challenge at hand. 😉

  252. So about this topic…

    Enjoying nice things doesnt have to be a matter of pretension. My future ex SA potential, who Ive seen a few times now, picked me up for an impromptu meeting in his million dollar sports car…nth fastest in the world. He picked me up from the library where Id been studying. As I walked out of the library, I overheard someone say, “Yeah, Im just gonna drive my Ferrari (it wasnt a Ferrari) to the library.” I chuckled to myself a little, and didnt turn to see from whom the comment came. The car is meticulously kept, and he’s never let anyone drive it. The only thing he allows in it is bottled water. I joked about finding a french fry in the seat. I thought about if I would ever invest in a million dollar sports car, and how I could totally drive his million dollar car better than he. I didnt tell him that, of course. I decided that I could totally see myself driving one (it would most definitely need to be a stick shift) if my brief Walmart shenanigans claim to fame yields me the millions that I project. But not for show…more for the purpose of giving myself orgasms at 0-6 second accelerations. The only thing Id allow in my car would be bottled water and napkins. For now, though, I could set my goal on driving his car. That, I would bank as a successful sugar arrangement. Id drive us to a schmancy dinner with palate tantalizing spirits served in carefully chosen vessels, and treat him to gear-shift level kisses all the way home. And then…Id dump him.

    Sugar, sugar, sweet sugar.

  253. sexyrockstar says:

    Yup…yupp. I need a beer.
    @yougottabe
    Would you judge me if I drank a beer? Walk around the streets with a 12 pack? I’m a classy girl lol

  254. Ha. I love you, sweets ;-p.

  255. Josh says:

    Is it time for awww yet?

  256. Sean,

    You’ll have to excuse Josh. He prefers only beer…in a 40 ounce bottle…with a brown paper bag…and a bendy straw.

    Ain’t that right, baby?

    (Baby belches, rubs his belly with one hand, grabs the ass of his one and only with the other, and echos, “That’s right, baby.”)

  257. Kms2014 says:

    @nicegirl….I think Jon Hamm is very attractive…and that is a decent show, too.

  258. nicegirl says:

    “This is the classic cocktail glass. This is the glass you’d see in the hand of Don Draper as he unwinds at home after a day at Sterling Cooper. (The other hand would be holding a cigarette, of course.)”

    This is my glass of choice… Not that I thought I had one, now that I think about it! I hope the above comment doesn’t mean I need to start the 12 steps! YIKES ;o)

    For the record… I would share a cocktail with Don any day of the week… AA??? nah!

  259. Josh says:

    “A man or woman holding a rocks glass gives off an air of old school charm, a bit of throwback bite with his or her practiced savoir faire.”

    Nah! Once again AA comes to mind. 😉

  260. Josh says:

    “If a lady wants to impress her man of her alcohol bona fides, she can do no better than request that her whisky drink be served in a Glencairn whisky glass.”

    If a “lady” did any such thing then I would be wondering if I would’ve done better by picking her up at local AA meeting instead of through SA. 😉

  261. Josh says:

    “Sophistication in drinking is like sophistication in wardrobe: It’s not strictly necessary, but it will be noticed—and much appreciated—by those with taste and class.”

    Oh no! Sean is getting ready to write about the right type of hangers to use in a wardrobe.

  262. Sean Hoade says:

    I like your style, Nicegirl. :)

  263. nicegirl says:

    “Sophistication in drinking is like sophistication in wardrobe: It’s not strictly necessary, but it will be noticed—and much appreciated—by those with taste and class.”

    I love the last line and yes, it is very true!!

  264. nicegirl says:

    Hahaha…. So I wish the main pic showed a guy that looked older than her younger brother ;o). I haven’t read it yet… let’s see what Part II has to offer!

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