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The Seeking Arrangement Sexercise Manual

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We all know that exercising is a must. It keeps you healthy, hot and gives you increased energy in and out of the bedroom. Although standard exercising can be a bit of a drag at times. It doesn’t have to be your only option.

Sexercising is a way to burn your calories, please your man and relieves the stress of daily life. A fun 45 minute roll in the hay burns up to 300 calories. That’s the Reeses Cup you snuck at your cubicle today. These methods are tried and true, and I have ranked them accordingly. Ladies, take note. Here are the best sexercises that will have your man drooling.

Doggy with a Bone

Difficulty ranking: 7

Doggy-style is definitely a great way for your man to burn calories. It almost seems like the man primarily does all the work during this sex move…until now. With a few modifications you can easily break a sweat. First, switch back and forth between resting your upper body on your hands and your elbows. This adds an increased motion. Secondly, tighten up your back and core muscles. I would recommend tightening your abs as much as possible during sex to increase calories burned. Third, rotate between arching and reverse-arching your back. The increased tension and movement will add to calories burned and enjoyment felt.

New Age Cowgirl

Difficulty ranking: 4

Have you ever noticed how sore your thigh muscles are after riding your man like mechanical bull? If you slightly tweak this sex position you can additionally work other muscle groups besides your upper thighs. Make sure and tighten that core to add in an ab workout. You can also squeeze into your man’s sides with your quads or calves for an additional leg burn. Most fit and sexy ladies should be able to master this move and make their man explode.

Armed and Dangerous

Difficulty ranking: 8

This sexercise is unique because it focuses on toning your upper body. Have your man lie down on his back while you straddle him in the reverse-cowgirl position. Put your hands and feet flat on the ground as you glide up and down with him inside you. This will tone your biceps and triceps. If you can get a steady rhythm going, you are bound to climax and work up quite a sweat in the process! Remember tighten that core when you can. This sexercise can definitely be tiring. If you can last more than 10 minutes, props to you and those toned guns.

Hot and Hooked

Difficulty ranking: 5

Lay on your back with your upper body slightly elevated with pillows or a Liberator wedge. Have your partner position himself between your legs while you hook your legs behind his thighs or butt. As your man moves in and out of you, grip him with your legs to increase motion. With the force of gravity and extra tension you create, your thighs, butt and back will get a good workout. For an added core challenge, hold your shoulders off the bed and tighten your ab muscles. It increased your workout and is likely to make him harder in the process.

The Thigh Mistress

Difficulty ranking: 9

The Thigh Mistress is similar to a standard cowgirl position in that you are on top of your man. You will need to put both of your feet on the sides of your man and hold yourself in the squat position. Elevate yourself and perform a figure 8 shape while your man is inserted in you. This move will blast your thighs, quads, tummy and make you have an incredible orgasm. This is one of the hardest but most rewarding moves. Your thighs will thank you.

A fun romp can be one of the most effective and exciting workouts, so grab your partner and get to work!

What are some sexy workouts you do?

 

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190 Responses to “The Seeking Arrangement Sexercise Manual”

  1. SunShineSD says:

    Thanks.

    I did not not make assumptions about you; you told us you were born to a household headed by an engineer and could afford to have a stay-at-home mom. Back in the 70’s and 80’s, engineers belonged to the upper-middle class.

    I refrained from guessing your inner thoughts/feelings. However, if want me to, we can start with:

    1. Regret and being resentful of the fact that you failed to snag a man of sufficient wattage when you were still young in your peak reproductive years;

    2. Being jealous and don’t want the younger women who still have the chance to grab the opportunities offered;

    Do we need to go on?

  2. Kms2014 says:

    That is very mature of you…

    and in regards to what you just wrote…you are completely wrong, in that I do not feel that way at all and you are making quite a lot of assumptions about me, and my inner thoughts/feelings.

    If the blog gave awards for nonsensical ramblings, you would definitely win 😉

  3. Mo25 says:

    “Sexercise” my kind of workout 😉

    Love this article and the comments are too die for!!!

  4. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    I do not start arguments, but I will finish it 😉

  5. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    Just to preempt misinterpretation of what I wrote: No, I did not say I would encourage her to do what she has been doing if I were the father . . . simply because the circumstances would be very different if I were the father of the baby. A lot of the gut-wrenching choices that she has to make simply would not be necessary. However given the reality she is facing after giving birth to a baby born to a father who doesn’t have the means to support the child, the choices that she has been making does not reflect lacking intelligence but simply lacking means and having been dealt a really bad hand of cards.

    In the same light, kMS, I don’t think you should look down upon your younger sisters who did not have the fortune of having been born into an upper middle class family like you did. Young girls born into upper middle class families learn French and Latin to show off a set of of completely unmarketable skills; those born into poor families have to learn French, Greek and Russian in order to survive! Many of the shitty decisions the latter group make in their lives are not necessarily due to their lack of intelligence but due to their lack of means and lack of information exposure . . . at least until nutritional unbalance and stress/drugs cripple their brain cells in their 30’s.

  6. Kms2014 says:

    I guess your photographic memory forgot the part I asked to not argue with me anymore….

  7. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS @Moe

    I have no problem with intelligent women. My ex-SB was highly intelligent in terms of raw IQ. She is also endowed with very strong motherly instincts. I would not ask her to do anything differently from what she has been doing since pregnancy if that were my baby under the same circumstances that she has been facing. However the fact that I am not the father makes it an impossible situation for me.

    As for sane and older women, well I’m trying to help candidates grow into sane and mature women with thriving careers. However, the egg age does matter. Risk of Down’s Syndrome go up dramatically when the mother is over 35 years of age; fertility rates also decline precipitously at that age. Invitro fertilization has several problems: multiple births and selection of sperms biasing towards the dormant (easy to capture and inject into egg) instead of the active sperms that normally fertilize the eggs.

    As for the Wikipedia accusation, KMS, I actually do not read that often. I happen to have a photographic memory. Considering the broad range of subjects that I touch upon, you would have to know the subject matters ahead of time before knowing what to search for in an encyclopedia.

  8. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    “And your point being? Another tiny example taken through the media…not your experience,”

    Are you kidding? Do you really think any normal guy spending $500 would be unable to find a blow job if he is not picky about getting from a particular person?

    “since your baby project failed and the girl you were with got knocked up by some other guy, so…..it just shows how clueless you are.”

    Really? I had not even started trying to make a baby with her yet, because she was smoking. It’s hard to declare a project failed if it had not even started. She was just an SB/GF candidate for baby making, pending her quitting smoking and settled down in her next degree program, which also never got started.

    “For every cheap media example, I could show you another media example or someone I know who got these ‘ridiculous’ amounts you say are so rare.”

    I don’t think you can show enough examples to counter the simple observation that sex itself is fairly inexpensive (it’s the babies and emotional aspects relating to a particular apple of his eye that are expensive). The point of the Sterling example is that apparently even a Billionaire doesn’t have to pay much if he is not particular about from whom he gets the service.

    “Yourself included, yes? Or, so you say…Sorry, but if selling sex is so low and easy, then why aren’t these SB’s jumping at your offer of high allowance amounts, cars….why are you always on blog and not fulfilling your destiny in life?”

    I actually have received more than a dozen offers in my mailbox from the almost content-free place-holder account that I set up in order to answer Euphoria’s invitation to see her profile 3 weeks ago; some are very serious about the baby making project. I did not want to pursue any thing before replacing the car that was stolen that very weekend. After getting the new car registered last week and the holiday long weekend with the existing children, I just started interviewing candidates this week, as a matter of fact the first dinner interview was earlier this evening. You will probably start to see my posts less frequently on the blog as my self-imposed time-out is coming to an end. A gentleman doesn’t kiss and tell 😉

  9. Kms2014 says:

    Does anyone like the new SA layout, by the way?

  10. Kms2014 says:

    Oh no, trust me…he is not into educated ‘middle aged’ women, as he calls women in their mid 30’s…basically, any woman who is independent and older(and sane), would not go for his baby farm scheme…trust me. Plus, he is into easily impressed young women for sexual reasons and who believe all his Wikipedia tales 😉 also, I prefer men who are not completely insane and appreciate older SB’s who are more of an equal and are not trying to save me, as I have my life together and don’t do drugs 😉

  11. Josh says:

    @Moe El

    Because you may have watched few too many chick flicks? 😉

  12. Moe El says:

    Why do I have the feeling that Kms and sunshine will have an arrangement going before 2014 ends.

  13. Kms2014 says:

    @Josh, I think she meant ‘teach you some manners’ in regards to her whip and dominatrix manners 😉 hehehe! Not the traditional sense!

  14. Josh says:

    @Dom.SB

    “And Josh, you naughty little boy, I would love to teach you some manners when you use ugly words again!”

    Join the club of idiotic SBs trying to teach me lessons or manners.

    The reason and purpose to call you a whore was exactly to drive the point home, that is, many women find it perfectly OK to call men names and when the tables are turned they are surprised.

    Teyya what…stop calling SDs “johns” and I will stop calling you a “whore.”

  15. Kms2014 says:

    “@KMS
    There is no reason to doubt the court records. The market clearing price for sex itself is indeed fairly low: Sterling, one of the world’s only 1500 or so billionaires, even bragged about the best blow-job of his life for a measely $500 in his court records from a decade ago. His net worth probably grew by more than $500 during the 15min to half an hour that the blowjob was taking place.”

    And your point being? Another tiny example taken through the media…not your experience, since your baby project failed and the girl you were with got knocked up by some other guy, so…..it just shows how clueless you are. For every cheap media example, I could show you another media example or someone I know who got these ‘ridiculous’ amounts you say are so rare. Yourself included, yes? Or, so you say…Sorry, but if selling sex is so low and easy, then why aren’t these SB’s jumping at your offer of high allowance amounts, cars….why are you always on blog and not fulfilling your destiny in life?

    If you don’t mind, would prefer you just left me out of your Wikipedia arguments from now on. I don’t really care for you or your know it all attitude. Thanks a bunch.

  16. Eloquence says:

    In retrospect… I simply thought SA was where if there wasn’t honesty anywhere else in a relationship basis, there would be one here or magor enticement of a wordsmith to light my engines and alas, Its all about presentation, games, enticement, allure and presentation again for headgames to play at the dinner table and footsie and lapsie at the same time.. Under the right accompaniment, it never goes wrong.

  17. Eloquence says:

    @ Suns

    Very Sweet… However, we have possibly run our course for the last time. I am too old (OMG… did I just say that?) too run the merry-go-round until I fall off and puke like a pre-schooler from the newness of it.. AND btw… I do not have a merry-go-round in counties of the local playgrounds.. so that should tell you my age!

  18. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    There is no reason to doubt the court records. The market clearing price for sex itself is indeed fairly low: Sterling, one of the world’s only 1500 or so billionaires, even bragged about the best blow-job of his life for a measely $500 in his court records from a decade ago. His net worth probably grew by more than $500 during the 15min to half an hour that the blowjob was taking place.

  19. DOM.SB says:

    @ Eloquence

    Always there to help a lady out 😉
    Even if it is only by mail.
    But then I would need your adress! :-)

  20. Kms2014 says:

    Spitzer* but maybe! more like spritzer to his escorts! Hehehe! Sorry….

  21. SunShineSD says:

    @Eloquence,
    LOL. You guys should get remarried or something, if there is no kids with some other people in the way. Both of you obviously care deeply about each other, and care even more how the other perceives you. Methinks the relationship has transcended mere sexual 😉 Don’t worry about his “experiment” talk; you are his favorite . . . and frankly you are jealous too when he is out with other younger mere “chicks.” You guys need to sit down, set aside personal pride, and have an honest hear-to-heart talk 😉

  22. Kms2014 says:

    Do you really think what eliott spritzer truly spent on escorts is recorded? Really? Are you that naive? It was a shakedown for him, anyways. You must truly believe everything you take from Wikipedia 😉

  23. Eloquence says:

    customgoddess @ gmail dot com

  24. Kms2014 says:

    SunshineSD…you really need to reread what you write, so that you contradict yourself less, hehe!

  25. Eloquence says:

    So after all of the young chics who used him, stood him up, took money from him, rinsed him out.. I was like “old faithful” who didn’t keep sleeping with him even though we would have dinners and we would talk.. We never could seem to get through dinners without him being so nosy in my life and harboring nastiness of who I had seen in his absence. Then I would hear about the stories of what he did for the women while I was absent. I had no problem with it because we just never could seem to be on the page without him throwing an insultant blow below the belt and then smile with a sinister sneer at me of “look what you missed out on”. Then I would be overwhelmed with the stress of it all just to make through dinner that I wanted to go find a stranger to fuck just to prove I still had it in me… instead of listening to the same ol’ monotony like a broken record and old married couple. See there gang….. Everyone has problems. No one is perfect! We all go through different scenarios and either we learn from them or we repeat them or we grow from them. Id rather be ravished sexually to exhaustion than to deal with bickering and monotony and I like honesty.. Even if Im not the only one… Im the favorite! (its an earned degree I see) – both ways. I am willing to be a dom in training – KMS… DOM SB…. your welcome to my e-mail. :)

  26. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS,

    You really need to improve your reading comprehension skills. I said:

    1. $3600 for a weekend from a single client would an usually high amount for a weekend with a prostitute, and cited Elliot Spitzer’s spending record to prove the point. Even a man like him ran an average only a little more than $2000 each; taking out the one-time $4300, the remaining 6 times would be ($10700 / 6) = about $1800, or half of the $3600 number, for someone who was the sitting governor of New York, the financial capital of the world, and a scion of a very wealthy old money family.

    2. I did give my ex-SB more than that on a couple weekends. Not weekly allowance, but due to special request from her; the excuses were back rent owed to her landlord and car repairs.

    3. I later found out that she was serving expensive recreational drugs to her friends shortly after the time she got the money from me. I guess that’s the poor women’s equivalent of throwing a backyard pool party and barbeque in the mansion neighborhoods.

  27. Eloquence says:

    Now were talking… While in Florida, I asked for black leather chaps and heels to my ass and a riding crop… Needless to say, I came home empty handed.

    And the guy I am speaking of is older than me and was my very first SD ever who really didn’t behave like a SD but a boyfriend even the first go round. He was always with me 24/7, had a key to my place, filled my new place with furniture. Truly, I thought he was the mecca of them all considering I entered this world late in life. Only to see over time 1-2 years, he would use the money as a control tactic and our relationship went sour years ago however, we remained acquaintances over the past 4-5 years.

  28. Kms2014 says:

    What I don’t understand is sunshine said he thought $3,600 was ridiculously high, and very rare, but then said he gave that, in weekly allowance amounts to his ex SB, who was using it to buy drugs for her and her friends?

  29. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    Just to make sure, based on information posted, you have not carried out your project successfully yet.

    The alamony, adoption, etc., don’t count and the SB shat on all over your plans to send you back to the proverbial drawing board.

  30. Kms2014 says:

    DomSB is right…had been contacted again by a very attractive man I met last year. I ended up going into an arrangement with someone else, at the time, but he contacted me again, recently. He was too shy to tell me about his ‘true’ submissive desires last year, but explained to me this year. He has a very specific need for a dominatrix…and he is into some pretty intense things. I asked if he had trouble on SA finding what he needed and he said, ‘yes, it is very rare’. He had someone for awhile, but got bored(I imagine because they were. Jot delivering exactly what he needed). From what I know, and according to him, a good domme is hard to find, apparently. And, I wouldn’t know what to do, so I told him so, even though I would have never suspected he was a sub or into that, when we met last year….

  31. Kms2014 says:

    Oh wait, you stated in the beginning…my apologies.

    You are correct, some men, even at older ages, such as 30’s, 40’s and 50’s will play games….not sure how old this man is, but some men never grow up. What sort of experiment is he trying to do? See if women fall for the old, ‘I want a wife and kids routine’? You are correct, in that most players do not even take the time to find out what YOU really want, before they start spouting out what they assume all women want. Most player men really are not that clever…the clever ones at least listen a little before they assume what you want, and then tell you.

    To me, being a SB carries a high price for the SD because he is ‘paying’ to not offer any future prospects with me, such as marriage or serious commitment, and for me to be there for him, at his convenience, and to not cause any dramas or troubles.

  32. Dom.SB says:

    Thank you for your wise words Eloquence and KMS.

    Indeed, SD’s can talk about ” best sex for money” and “replacing SB’s all the time”, but when an SB touches the same subject, she is called a “whore” and a “rinser”….

    As a -NON PRO!!- Domme, I am a rare phenomenon here.
    And as we all know, scarcity has a price. (There is many sub’s among rich and powerful men!)
    Since a “scene” is often built over a more prolonged time, in comparison to the “regular” bang, a meeting of more days is not that strange.

    And yes, since I also have a career outside sugar, there is a certain cost at my time.
    And I do not see why that should be much lower as a high class pro Domme?
    And why I will be called “a whore” when I google for their prices?
    Information is key in successful negotiations, especially in negotiations with shrewd businessmen, as most SD are.

    If the gentlemen SD on blog are indeed successfull themselves , they will for sure have a price tag on their time?
    I thought to have read some time ago on this blog that “an SD’s time is much more expensive then her time”
    Yes, probably often it is, but not in my case! :-)
    So I can friendly turn down an offer and walk away.
    No Sundhine, compairing prices is NOT correlated with desperation or need, au contraire!

    And Josh, you naughty little boy, I would love to teach you some manners when you use ugly words again!

  33. Kms2014 says:

    @eloquence…forgive me as I am really sick today, but was this man a SD or a regular guy/boyfriend you were seeing?

  34. SunShineSD says:

    Sorry, Eloquence, I was no trying to mock you in any way.

  35. Eloquence says:

    @ Suns

    You are mocking me now because you know as well as I do, you saying you say all the wrong things and give fair warning is because I WAS called an experiment and you have your “experiment” posted on the blog which is exactly what I was going through. And him calling me an “experiment” was indeed not flattering or sexual. If he had of called me that from the get go and not fed me BS of marriage shoving “monogamy” down my throat while he was off every night or every other night with a different Beau, then I would have very well made sure not a drop of him sexually went to waste or was ignored or collected a bit of dust till the cows came home in every which way possible, as long as I knew I was an “experiment” up front.

  36. SunShineSD says:

    @Eloquence,

    Sorry to hear about your experience. It was indeed wrong of him to manipulate you like that. I tend to do exactly the opposite, instead of saying what women want to hear, I tend to say all the wrong things, giving more than fair warnings and every reason for her to exit. LOL. The ones who stay despite all of that, are the keepers for the long term!

  37. Eloquence says:

    BTW.. when I spoke “long term investment” in my first paragraph, I am referring to a relationship because all relationships are long term investments. You are investing your time, effort, energy, feelings, emotions, hopefully a common bond and outcome, etc.. Then again maybe the person is just bored and just passing time. As just said “different strokes for different folks” each “folk” has a different view of what the word means to them. So back to the drawing board.

  38. Eloquence says:

    I see even the experienced daddies (if you will) go into this selfishly and think its only about money and if its only about money then state that at the beginning when you each sit down for dinner. But wait, if a woman DOES actually do that with a man then she IS coined as a rinser or an escort or any of the other demeaning phrases because the man has been burned in the past. Don’t you think women have too? and eventually the women get “burned out”? or do we only respect the women who have learned to be better at the “game” per say and charge a high nominal fee for their time and have all the attributes, clothes, work history, career, plastic reflection that says.. I either worked hard in school and paid my own way and I am here because I am extremely intelligent and driven or I used to be an escort and learned from all the manipulating men in my life to turn their influence into a positive push for me to get what I want and how to get what I want and you will never know. The question is: “Does it really matter to you when you are sitting across the table from her at dinner?”, “Do you really care how she got “there” “? Because all you know id what you see and what she choses to tell you as truth, same goes for the man. Do you care about her past? do you care about her struggles? or Do you care about the future? How she can help you and be a positive benefit in your life? or is it just how well she can deep throat you? How many times she can make you cum? use her and lose her? or do you look at her as a science project and an experiment?

  39. Eloquence says:

    @ Sun

    I came back from Florida and prior the man (whom ive known for years and used to date) was constantly discussing marriage, constantly discussing “monogamy” and never once did I bring up marriage or ask (I have commitment issues) not that I am not a faithful woman because in a relationship of monogamy, I am.. However… He informed me that I was an “experiment”. Wowsers. That makes a woman who has listened to a man go on and on and on for months about a marriage life and dissecting her thought process all of a sudden look at him and realize.. “he hasn’t changed his stripes”. He has a set mindset that women are out to use him. I am an “experiment” eh? That somehow doesn’t make my freak flag fly – would it yours?

    To know that I am a “tester” because he knows I am not a “rinser”. It made me step back and have respect for the women who allow men into their sexual realm of sanctity and who charge a fee and who say to the man… “I will give you this part of my world on a sexual basis and exchange for financial help or (throw in whatever else for verbage that suits at this rate I suppose) and in return you are not allowed to “mind-fuck me, play games with me, etc..” because I have fully set the boundaries and parameters that you can have what you want (which is sex and time, etc..) but viewing it from an “escort” point of view (which I am not) the man has limited access into the woman’s world and knows his place which in turn he realizes his place which makes him an ATM.

    Does anyone really care how someone else gets “there” just as long as they get “there”. But to maneuver in someone elses life speaking one thing and actions proving another and then trying to control the person by feeding them words the man “thinks” the woman wants to here (when I never asked for marriage, never asked for all these other aspects) because he never really cared what I wanted to begin with because he never once asked me what I really wanted… He simply said this is how it is going to be because I say so. Then to turn around and call me an experiment took any sexual thought process out of the equation. And then all the promises or what he was going to do for me (when I don’t put out, he takes away from me, or prolonges as a game) when if he really was treating me with respect, cared about my feelings and looked at me as long term investment then he wouldn’t have kept treating me like an escort or a user or like other women from his past. But I was constantly chalked into his equation that he apparently thought he had to “mind-fuck” me in order to get sex or any other level of emotional concern.

  40. SunShineSD says:

    There is no conflict in saying something is “rare and hardly ever happens” vs. myself having done it once or twice, out of many years. Besides, it was not a pre-arranged amount for the weekend, just something she said she urgently needed while we were hanging out for the weekend, towards the end of the weekend. So, it was not a market-clearing or even price per se. Just some help she needed and I was willing to oblige, as a friend/BF for a girl who had expressed willingness to carry a baby for me.

  41. Kms2014 says:

    I know what market clearing price means, but like I said before, in this context you really are just throwing numbers and scenarios around that are not real to the examples I gave and was referring to. You were not talking market clearing when you said $3,600 is ridiculously high, is rare and hardly ever happens. Then, you also said that you gave $3,600 one weekend with no blow job involved? Odd….

    Anyway, I’m sure people are tiring of hearing us argue. You are in a different market and ‘clearing prices’, hehe! 😉

  42. SunShineSD says:

    KMS, market clearing price is not established by those who do not want to pay or those who ask for the sun and moon and hardly ever get either. Market clearing price is where the highest bid meet the lowest ask. Everyone else is outside the market.

  43. Kms2014 says:

    It was meant as a general example…not to be taken ‘literally’. But, whatever….moving on to new topics, hopefully…

  44. Kms2014 says:

    Oh, I forgot…once again, you are the expert..hehe 😉

  45. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    “True courtesans” are not hired by the week, but on annual contract.

  46. Kms2014 says:

    Sunshine, you just argue mostly. There is a different world from what you do. You seem to go to your local college and find SB’s, in the past, or just fairly young girls, whom might not exactly have their life together. Don’t you think there is another world out there that you do not dabble in? Where, the women don’t need to be saved by you, and are very established on their own, speaking more than three languages, oftentimes, who are not so egotistical to only do for some silly self esteem boost? These women already have a good regard for themselves and their self esteem. You just don’t open your mind or eyes to other’s reality…Which, is fine because that isn’t your world or reality, so why worry about it? You are the one who keeps arguing…over many topics on blog, if someone disagrees with something
    you say.

  47. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    SB’s complaining and comparing their _fee_ to escorts’ pay are very likely here primarily due to need.

  48. Kms2014 says:

    “illustrating the point that having 51weeks of famine to earn $3600 on the 52nd week of the year doesn’t make any business sense. However, I can appreciate the psychological/self-esteem value in someone not needing”

    And, you obviously did not research a true courtesan’s weekly allowance, hehe!

  49. MsOdin says:

    I agree with the cosmo comment.This is a silly juvenile thing to write about and it’s not really related to our interests. Half the comments arent even discussing the “article”…

  50. SunShineSD says:

    “Different strokes for different folks” is what I’d say if I walked into a world where people argue over the price of cowboy hats but give out cattle for free.

  51. Kms2014 says:

    @Josh, Yes, very true! Hehe!

    Sunshine…you really don’t know market ‘clearing’ prices. That is relative to so many factors, in regards to SA and SB’s, in my opinion. Are you saying that all SB’s are on site, due to need alone? It isn’t based solely on a physiological/self esteem need, in my opinion either. You, trying to understand this, is like me trying to understand what you are doing, as a man, with your child project. It is complicated and not as rare and one dimensional as you seem to think it is.

  52. Josh says:

    “Different strokes for different folks” was coined for people like SunShineSD. 😉

  53. SunShineSD says:

    “Am just shaking my head at your thought processes, hehe! ;-p You are different…will give you that!”

    It was a joke. Obviously paying multiple times $X to save/earn $X doesn’t make any financial sense, illustrating the point that having 51weeks of famine to earn $3600 on the 52nd week of the year doesn’t make any business sense. However, I can appreciate the psychological/self-esteem value in someone not needing any money to get paid $3600 for access to her magic box once in a blue moon . . . just like I would, as I normally do not pursue “boomerang sex” but if it is a $10,000 value bestowed on me for free I’d be turned on just for the psychological/self-esteem value alone. Ironically, two decades of child support at the rate I’m offering probably translates to more than $10,000 for each past access to her magic box. Funny how the mind works.

    Let’s be honest though, those numbers have nothing to do with market clearing prices. I’d be willing to overpay because I want the women and children to do well.

  54. Kms2014 says:

    “As for next time and ideal candidate? I can see the fun in funding a intelligent, beautiful and self-motivated young lady, fulfilling her destiny with a baby and a thriving career, then having her hang out shingles for $10,000 for a weekend, just for the fun of it. LOL. If she gets one hit out of a year, I’d actually be turned on by FlyR’s famous “boomerang sex” in that case! Hey, saving a cool $10,000 is appealing, even if I have to shell out multiple times that via child support to keep the charade going. I can see why the $3600 for one weekend, even if it rarely happens, is so appealing to the woman’s psyche. Let’s be honest thought, it has nothing to do with market clearing price.”

    Am just shaking my head at your thought processes, hehe! ;-p You are different…will give you that!

  55. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    “Most sugar babies are not calling these men rude names, on blog.”

    What are you referring to here?

  56. SunShineSD says:

    You know whats funny, for more than $3600 over a weekend, I didn’t even get a blow job out of it. She merely told me some stories about back rents had to be paid and car had to be fixed, etc. etc. Never again! Now you see why I had to stop myself from sugaring for a while lest I take it out on some innocent 3rd party.

    As for next time and ideal candidate? I can see the fun in funding a intelligent, beautiful and self-motivated young lady, fulfilling her destiny with a baby and a thriving career, then having her hang out shingles for $10,000 for a weekend, just for the fun of it. LOL. If she gets one hit out of a year, I’d actually be turned on by FlyR’s famous “boomerang sex” in that case! Hey, saving a cool $10,000 is appealing, even if I have to shell out multiple times that via child support to keep the charade going. I can see why the $3600 for one weekend, even if it rarely happens, is so appealing to the woman’s psyche. Let’s be honest thought, it has nothing to do with market clearing price.

  57. Kms2014 says:

    “BTW, I actually did pay my ex-SB more than $3600 on some weeks, but will probably never do it again unless the US$ inflates dramatically. I later found out she spent much of the money on treating her friends to drugs.”

    Maybe, you should pick a more intelligent woman, in regards to her life choices, and career-driven lady next time, instead of a drug using SB, yes? There are SB like this…look at YKTBKM. She seems quite intelligent, clever and career driven.

  58. Kms2014 says:

    “@KMS
    There are 52 weeks in a year. $3600 for one week in a year means $69 per week.”

    You knew the point I was getting at, and it was not to break down your example into a weekly calculation. You are smarter than that, yes? And, it was not saying that! A week with a high end courtesan, well, you should look that up. And, I mean a true courtesan, not a regular high-end escort.

  59. SunShineSD says:

    BTW, I actually did pay my ex-SB more than $3600 on some weeks, but will probably never do it again unless the US$ inflates dramatically. I later found out she spent much of the money on treating her friends to drugs.

  60. Kms2014 says:

    You can argue that point all day long, however, if an SB or escort/courtesan has a career outside of sugar/escorting, then she can wait for as long as she so chooses. This is how I handle an arrangement, since, well….I can afford to. If someone is desperate for quick cash, then they are more likely to take on many ‘clients’ in escorting, for lower prices. Or, a desperate SB is more likely to take whatever she can get, as soon as possible. See WCSD’s SB example from yesterday. I am not saying a SB is an escort…this was just for example’s sake.

  61. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    There are 52 weeks in a year. $3600 for one week in a year means $69 per week.

  62. SunShineSD says:

    “Not all escorts are going for quantity.. Some are very exclusive and they are very high end…and as a result, charge much more than $2,000-4,000 for the weekend. These types of escorts are not going on opportunity cost, but would laugh and walk away from any offers so low(the offers that you seem to think are high), since many have their own careers outside of escorting/courtesan. They don’t have to do this, but do it because they can(find it exciting), and can be choosy and charge very high amounts to high net worth and income gentlemen.”

    I’d “charge” $1,000,000 for sex with me. How often do I get takers? None so far. Anne Leibowitz charges $50,000 to take personalized photo portraits. She did get clients from time to time, but apparently not enough to keep her out of bankruptcy court. Those numbers quoted have nothing to do with market clearing prices for photos, weekend or sex.

  63. Kms2014 says:

    But not all women, on SA, are one step away from becoming escorts, or drug addicts…I have advanced degree and have career outside of arrangements. Am sure I am not the only one.

    Some women on SA are very choosy, and might wait a long time, in order to find just the right fit. They don’t need an opportunity cost calculation because they are not desperate or young college girls trying to earn quick cash. It works the same in the escort world, I believe. There are higher echelons in the escort world where a woman might wait a year to vacation with an extremely wealthy man, but she is getting much more than $3,600 for the week 😉

  64. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    That $3600 number was calculated from one weekend. There are 4 or 5 weekends in a month. I’m currently paying 15x national average for child support (or 20+x national median); that’s still less than $3600/weekend every weekend. If the woman thinks spending the weekend with her own kids is no better than taking on 24 “johns” for the weekend, I don’t think I want such a woman to be the mother of any of my children.

  65. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    That I actually agree with. If the “SD” is primarily interested in low cost, and pushes the support/help to ridiculously low level on an SB with real needs, he is essentially leaving the SB with little choice but to find a different SD, juggle multiple SD’s or become an escort. That’s why it is important to get to know the SB and find out what her real needs are, so the SD can provide the SB with an adequate level of support so she doesn’t have to become escort, yet at the same not to enable bad habits like drug addiction.

    My previous posts were addressing the price calculation for extended time: obviously high turn-over rate would maximize utilization rate and hence revenue. However, if the owner of the magic device feels no difference between spending a relaxing and fun weekend with me vs. letting 23 more guys taking turns at it for the weekend, I don’t think I would want to spend any time with her. It’s not even a judgement on her; she may have her own reasons for juggling so many men to maximize revenue. However, unless and until she comes clean with me what the reasons are, I don’t think she is ready for a relationship with me.

  66. Kms2014 says:

    SunshineSD…you think $3,600 is ridiculously high amount? How much child support do you plan on paying each month? Hehe

  67. Kms2014 says:

    “A Pro may list a ridiculously high price for a weekend because her opportunity cost is taking 8 clients at $150 each on each of the three day: 8 x 150 x 3 = 3600. $150”

    Not all escorts are going for quantity.. Some are very exclusive and they are very high end…and as a result, charge much more than $2,000-4,000 for the weekend. These types of escorts are not going on opportunity cost, but would laugh and walk away from any offers so low(the offers that you seem to think are high), since many have their own careers outside of escorting/courtesan. They don’t have to do this, but do it because they can(find it exciting), and can be choosy and charge very high amounts to high net worth and income gentlemen.

  68. Kms2014 says:

    I don’t agree…If someone wants to be educated of an escort’s price…see no harm in that. This is how one(or, new to world of sugar dating) might compare and contrast the differences as well, if they so choose. We know that some do not go to an escort for a reason, whether it is the ‘timing’ of the clock, the mental aspect of going to an escort over a SB, the preference for something more ‘real’, although, so many women, on SA are pros, how can the men really tell in every case who is a non-pro? Some escorts would want higher amounts to go exclusive, too. For example, if a man wants his escort to be exclusive to him, then he will ‘pay’ more than he did before.

    Since, in theory, a SB is usually exclusive with her SD, then some SB might expect more than an escort’s market price, and for no sex right away, as it is more likened to a natural dating scenario(to me, anyways). So, the intimacy happens at a natural pace, in many scenarios, while the allowance amounts might be higher, since the SB is more likened a wife or gf to SDs who are looking for more than a few ‘bangs’ and a connection, on both a physical, intellectual and emotional level, not just an hour or weekend ‘bang’.

    Lobster and seafood have a market price…petroleum has a market price…commodities, spot prices, bonds, treasuries..it isn’t wrong to know your ‘worth’, in more than just the terms of ‘price’. A woman has more worth than just her allowance requirements, in that a man might offer her what she wants, in terms of an allowance, but he might not have the personality she wants. A true SB is looking for more than just having her allowance requirement met.

    I see that some SDs on blog have been posting about their SB experience lately, as if they are at an auction floor, and treating the experience and SB as an ‘object’ or commodity that is very replaceable and ‘easy’, much like ordering up an escort at a discounted price. Why else would they be so excited or like a little boy let loose at a candy store,where the candy is very cheap? Most sugar babies are not calling these men rude names, on blog. Also, a woman in a regular dating scenario might dump her xbox playing boyfriend who doesn’t have the drive of a man she thinks she is more deserving of, so she finds someone a little more ‘driven’ in life. She has decided her ‘worth’ or market value is much more than this xbox playing loser, yes.

    I’m sorry, but there are those on blog who treat their SBs like escorts, in that they brag about having several, and replacing them constantly, while speaking of how ‘cheap and easy’ it is. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck….just my opinion. If some want to be in denial of what they truly are, if not worse, then so be it.

  69. Bullfinch says:

    A couple of stray thoughts: Until most recently (I am a six-year veteran of these types of arrangements but mine all ran long), I did not even know there was a verb for what some women are doing here: They “sugar”. I maintain that if you “sugar” you are doing this as a pro or a pro-am. I have no quarrel with that but it is not who I am looking for because it comes with a pro-mentality. To be sure, many if not most men on this and similar sites are looking for a better class of escort and variety. And some don’t find that out about themselves until the relationship they seek becomes real and they get cold feet. Another thought is that a problem is that sex is so readily available for women, they seek an extra incentive to find it here. And it does not help that the suggested “lifestyle” amounts that are offered here are, each for their category, totally unrealistic on a sustained basis but influences the mind of the potential SB. I like what I read earlier here when a gentleman wrote he would never have an arrangement with someone he would not otherwise date. That is good advice for both sides. Otherwise it is merely transactional.

  70. SunShineSD says:

    Comes to think of it, comparing to escort list price for weekends is as silly as if an SD tried to demand sex for free or for the cost of a pizza/beer/movie/room-cleaning just because the SB sometimes puts out for her classmates/friends/housemate at such minimal cost. Why would anyone seek out self emotional abuse like that?!

  71. SunShineSD says:

    Market price is not just some seller’s published fantasy price, but has to have sufficient buyers to clear the market. A Pro may list a ridiculously high price for a weekend because her opportunity cost is taking 8 clients at $150 each on each of the three day: 8 x 150 x 3 = 3600. $150 is assumed here because that’s roughly the day labor price for moderately skilled labor ($20/hr x 7.5hrs), which historically the oldest profession tracks since Roman time. Do most Pro’s get that $3600 from a single client on a weekend? Perhaps once a year if not once a career! Elliot Spitzer, the former NY governor and scion to immense family fortune, spent only $4300 for a weekend with the now infamous then 22yo Ashley D., and that’s an extraordinarily high number for Spitzer, as investigators showed that he spent about $15000 with the agency for 7 liasons over 6 month period, or only $2500/mo or little over $2000 for each liason, presumably on 7 different girls. He spent only $80,000 over “several years.” There are not many men who have the resources that Elliot Spitzer had; there was only one governor of New York, and he was born into a fabulously wealthy old money family.

    Put it another way, a rental company charges about $30/day for a Toyota Camry. They also advertise a price for $30×7=$210 for rental week, and of course they will gladly take $840 for 4wks if you are dumb enough to part that much money. However, the real market clearing monthly price for keeping a Camry is not close to $900/mo, but something close to $200/mo via 36month lease. The number of people going up to the Hertz counter and spend $900/mo on a Camry is miniscule compared to the millions of people who spend $200-300/mo on leasing or amortizing Camry or comparable cars.

    Like I said before, comparing oneself to back page escort listing price is a self-defeating exercise. It would only get you frustrated and self-hating. Hardly any single client pays the escort’s entire weekend’s take; her weekend’s take is usually divided up among a couple dozen clients! If you have the stomach for that. By contrast, most “weekends of sex” in this world are “cleared through the market” free of charge or at nominal expense beyond the trip cost itself: as couples go on trips and have a good time together.

  72. Kryss says:

    Sex is the best exercise and I’m super in shape 😉

  73. FatB'StardSD says:

    @DOM.SB

    “Ohhhh you poor guys…..sooooooooo sorry for ruining the market for “John’s, by opening the eyes of some aspiring escorts ….”

    I have fixed that for you.

  74. Josh says:

    @DOM.SB

    I don’t give a shit who you are or what you are. All I know is that you are stirring some shit that isn’t from SA to start off with. 😉

    What I do know that many SBs cone here bragging that they have done their “homework” and know what the “market price is” only to end up doing dumb things when they land an SD.

    However, due to the inalienable right every woman seems to have, they blame the SDs for taking advantage of them.

    And stop talking about “market price”, you whore…seesh.

    How is that for stirring some Made in SA shit. At least this is “organic.”

  75. DOM.SB says:

    Oh really Josh, I am a rinser?

    Because I got an “allowance” offer for a very “specific” 😉 type of arrangement, that I found out a Pro would charge at least 5 times more?
    And, even if SD mentioned a much higher lifestyle budget in his profile, being told It gets too “expensive”?

    Well, I never compaired myself to a pro before, but this made me google to see what their price would be for a weekend.

    So yes, sure, not being the clueless, naive girl that your type of “SD” prefers for “The best bang for his bucks” bargains, makes me a rinser now…

    Maybe you too should google something; meaning of the word “rinser”!

    Ohhhh you poor guys…..sooooooooo sorry for ruining the market for “John’s, by opening the eyes of some SB’s ….

  76. SunShineSD says:

    @Fatty
    LOL. We know you are just a lambo-driving sweet-heart pretending to be ghetto tough. Anyway, I’m actually genuinely interested in the SB’s life: making sure that she really is a student if she claims to be one so I’m not dealing with a pro, and the money she gets from me is going to productive use not spent on buying drugs or treating her friends to drugs.

  77. Josh says:

    @FB

    As per some bloggers, the SB endures “emotional scars” when her pussy is “stolen.” 😉

  78. FatB'StardSD says:

    Most SB’s have multiple “fuck buddies” and are trolling the clubs for guys multiple nights per week. Am I supposed to feel sorry for my SB because I treated her like any random guy she hooks up with? The emotional scars my SB endured at having to fake an orgasm for an allowance are easily matched by the soul crushing experience I endured at having to pretend that I find my SB’s life interesting to get access to her vagina.

  79. Kms2014 says:

    @southern, yes, very much agree with that….

  80. KatPaw says:

    Desperation especially when a single mommy can make you do some amazingly stupid things.. SouthernSB you are so right and that woman needs a crisis rep! That is if it isn’t just a scam..

  81. KatPaw says:

    @ygtbkm

    Our ideals of sugarships are very much the same in view!!!!

  82. SouthernSB says:

    @Kms2014-it is sad isn’t it? This poor woman doesn’t need a SD she needs someone to guide her through the social services and church charities until she can get through the immediate crisis and than perhaps she could get a SD to mentor her so she can better her life. But right now she’s in a crisis and she needs crisis management and it would take a unicorn of a Daddy to deal with that.

  83. WCSD says:

    @KMS – “would most men want to enter an arrangement with all that drama” – I think the point is that someone who is that desperate is NOT looking for an arrangement. And the SD’s that respond to her are also not looking for an arrangement. She is looking for quick cash and sees this as the only way for it to happen, and he would see someone who you can get an easy lay for little output. Also this type of desperation also sings out to the SDs with White Knight syndrome (I’m going to save the day!!!). So again, it may be real and sad…or it may be a con to part the money from the WKS SD’s. Either way this is NOT uncommon at all on SA (or really any of the sugar sites).

  84. Josh says:

    “I’ve always been independent and have always made my own money I’ve never relied on a guy other than about the last 3 months”

    Hmm, she has always made her own money so why complain about the ex?

    Nothing but playing the victim card, which women have gotten away with for so long it’s not even funny.

  85. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    “”The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.”

    –Samuel Johnson”

    Hmm, does that mean SD’s should be helping out the rinsers who have not intention of reciprocatin to start of with? 😉

    MUTUAL is the cardinal rule of sugarship.

  86. SouthernSB says:

    I don’t know why woman write profiles like the “two kids and drugged-up ex.” I don’t see how any of that information is relevant to a sugar or any other kind of profile. If I were a man I really wouldn’t want to get involved because of all the ensuing drama that would be bound to occur. I mean, the ex may come back and cause a problem or something. As a woman two things I would never do is talk about my minor children on a dating site, for obvious reasons, and I would never ever use the words “I’ll do anything!!!” Hell somebody might take me seriously and want me to be in a group lesbian crusher movie! (yuck) 😉

  87. Josh says:

    WCSD says:
    July 7, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    @WCSD,

    “Sorry in my post it should be gtt_envy, not Flyer…”

    No worries. Different handles samilar BS.

    “Even though I do agree with Josh on this…I think he is going through a phase…but aren’t we all?”

    I dont give a shit about either’s phase: gtt_envy or Dom SB. 😉

  88. Kms2014 says:

    ““I’m kind of in a really bad spot that I’ve never been in before, long story short, my ex husband hit me, and left me n our 2 baby girls with nothing, he was the provider for us financially and he chose drugs over us, we’ll now with it being the 1st and all my bills being due, I’m not really sure what I’m going to do. I’m SOOO stressed out and my girlfriend has a SUGARDADDY and told me to go on this website and try to find myself a SUGARDADDY that can be there for me to help me through this rough patch and in return I would do ANYTHING they wanted or could dream of, I know it’s a long shot and I’m not really sure if there would be a man willing to take that risk on me because I’ve never done this before. I’ve always been independent and have always made my own money I’ve never relied on a guy other than about the last 3 months, n I feel like it was a huge mistake, unless hopefully there’s a guy out there that would be willing to take a chance on me and help me through this and trust me that I’ll be there for him in return to do whatever he would like , or whatever he fantasizes. ;)”

    If that woman is telling the truth, it is just a very sad read…and even more depressing is her obvious desperation. She is committing all the cardinal sins of being a SB :-/ If it is true, would most men want to enter an arrangement with all that drama….and posted on profile, even? Not even saved for the first date? I would just want to feed her kids or something…

  89. WCSD says:

    Sorry in my post it should be gtt_envy, not Flyer…. Even though I do agree with Josh on this…I think he is going through a phase…but aren’t we all??

  90. Kms2014 says:

    “One of the first questions a SB should be trying to answer is “Is this potential SD a giver or a taker?” It’s also not a bad question for a SD to ask.”

    Yes, very true….a good question to ask in SB/SD context, regular dating, friendships…

    This quote always makes me think…especially, if you live in DC or LA, hehe (:

    “The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.”

    –Samuel Johnson

  91. Josh says:

    flyR basically writes nonsense.

    gtt_envy is going through a phase. He will soon come back and “admit” how bad he felt about using the SBs like piece of meat.

    Dom SB is venting–very womanly nonsense by women for women.

    The sole purpose of such outbursts is nothing but to vent. Men have no business interfering with female venting similar to men having no business trying to understand what period means to women. It is what it is. 😉

  92. Josh says:

    Dom SB’s post is nothing but a fresh attempt to take this blog back into the trash-talk of escort rates and how to rinse SDs well. 😉

  93. WCSD says:

    Now just so I don’t come across as being an all holy angel…I have used this site before for something quicker, and I don’t feel bad about that at all. Being upfront with what you are looking for is all that matters. Flyer is an example of this. He is very upfront with what he wants now, you may not agree that this fits for you…but who cares…you aren’t his target audience then, and he has been clear with what he wants…so there is no deception. Just say thanks but no thanks and move on in your search…

  94. WCSD says:

    People on SA treat this as a transaction. This isn’t just the ‘slimy’ SDs, but definitely the ‘whorish’ SBs as well (it takes two to tango doesn’t it??).

    I mean look at this excerpt from a profile:
    “I’m kind of in a really bad spot that I’ve never been in before, long story short, my ex husband hit me, and left me n our 2 baby girls with nothing, he was the provider for us financially and he chose drugs over us, we’ll now with it being the 1st and all my bills being due, I’m not really sure what I’m going to do. I’m SOOO stressed out and my girlfriend has a SUGARDADDY and told me to go on this website and try to find myself a SUGARDADDY that can be there for me to help me through this rough patch and in return I would do ANYTHING they wanted or could dream of, I know it’s a long shot and I’m not really sure if there would be a man willing to take that risk on me because I’ve never done this before. I’ve always been independent and have always made my own money I’ve never relied on a guy other than about the last 3 months, n I feel like it was a huge mistake, unless hopefully there’s a guy out there that would be willing to take a chance on me and help me through this and trust me that I’ll be there for him in return to do whatever he would like , or whatever he fantasizes. ;)”

    This is not uncommon to see postings like this. Is it actually true or is it a story to get some quick cash for drugs, etc?? Who knows…

    The reality is that some treat the site as the on night stand/quick cash, and those people find each other. I’m more along the NC Gent path that I want a connection. Friends with benefits… and honestly I don’t have trouble finding that. Sure there is screening to happen, but any dating site has screening to find your match. The two extremes are pretty easy to identify, and if you fall somewhere in the middle, then you probably don’t care if you run into someone on either book end.

    Complaining about it is really pointless. The slimy’s and whores (or desperates) are finding what they need…so you can’t blame them. Just filter and continue on….

  95. SunShineSD says:

    LOL. Looks like a lively market place with each side trying to get the most out of their own labor’s worth: the men trying to get the most out of their money (fruits of labor from their other endeavors) and the women trying to get the most out of their labor service. Nature has intended the interaction to be a positive-sum one: love/consideration and baby making (or at least the willingness / intention of genuine partnership). Absent these two elements, it’s doomed to be a zero-sum game.

    It’s indeed distasteful to make it transactional, and take advantage of poor women in desperate situations. It is simply wrong to compare sugar cash flow vs. escorting, either from the high side or from the low side. Sugaring is parallel to other types of dating, an arrangement in between:

    an extremely short-term arrangement for the night like in escorting on one hand, and
    a multi-year if not multi-decade arrangement like marriage, on the other.

    Per incident revenue/cost is of course higher for escorting than either sugaring/dating or marriage: a significant part of the high price of escorting represents risk premium with police, disease and criminals, not to mention the stress from that line of work usually dooming the practitioner to blow all her peak income on drugs; at the other end of the extreme in terms of professional stability, wife usually gets paid next to nothing in a marriage (unless she is married to a rare someone like myself, who paid monthly allowance during marriage; LOL). I have no first-hand experience, but if it is like any other types of business with typical volume discounts, back page list price is the equivalent of MSRP, not the price after discount for “frequent flyers,” who would pose much less risk with police (proven not a sting operation), disease and criminal.

    It’s self-defeating to compare oneself to an escort’s list price for hourly rate. I’d venture to guess 95% of wives would lose that comparison, and nearly 100% of girlfriends would lose that contest, unless the woman is dating/married to the top 5% and has produced babies from the relationship. The escort’s peak earning years is only 5-10 years! and it usually leaves her a wreck afterwards due to both the stress and the drug use to alleviate stress.

    There is behavioral immaturity from both sides. After being taken advantage of unfairly, it is tempting to react: “if you treat me like just an ATM machine, how about if I treat you like a piece of meat!” or vice versa. It’s not healthy for either party; someone has to be the adult and break the cycle. When I felt wistful after being hurt, I just hauled myself out of water and rested on the pool side for a while before getting ready to dive back in. It is important to treat another human being like how we ourselves would like to be treated, lest we lose pieces of humanity in each of us.

  96. flyR says:

    YGTBKM – I liked your thoughts on gratuities.

  97. flyR says:

    @KMS “I would think that a man of plentiful means would be generous with and benevolent to a companion who makes his life more fun, fresh, adventurous and whole, his time passed more fulfilling.””

    In a perfect world you would think so and there are certainly a lot of folks like that. However, there are also a lot of industries, cultures, professions which seem to attract very selfish people who delight in screwing others.

    Years ago I had a widely respected industry leader in class. One of the questions from a student was – “What surprised you most about the industry” His answer – that there are so few nice people in the business.

    One of the first questions a SB should be trying to answer is “Is this potential SD a giver or a taker?” It’s also not a bad question for a SD to ask.

  98. flyR says:

    @KMS – I agree with much of what you have to say but I think it goes back t the foundation of the difference between sugar and backpage or other escort pages.

    The escort is looking for a relationship where she maximizes the cash for sex and she does not get hurt in the process. Her screening is focused on identification of the negatives and and an assessment of danger or disgust.

    Hopefully the SB is screening for positives including economic benefit but equally important(and potentially more important) other stuff. She’s also hopefully enforcing a very rigid standard for negatives(unless that’s something she likes)

    My take is that many of the younger SB’s are coming from and environment where sex is an expectation on a second or third date for burgers and beer and probably a quickie during halftime. There’s also not much love involved, sometimes just the hope that he remembers your name in the morning.

    Hopefully some of the comments from the older SB will open their eyes to the need for more selectivity.

    Somewhat associated with this is the continuing decline of the economy ( and increasing future uncertainty) and increasing “acceptance ” of sugar relationships.

  99. Kms2014 says:

    ” I’m just fresh into my career (you might consider me a hundredaire at this point), thus far from rich, but I am generous. I would think that a man of plentiful means would be generous with and benevolent to a companion who makes his life more fun, fresh, adventurous and whole, his time passed more fulfilling.”

    There are men like this, on SA…although, a little difficult to find, at times. You seem very intelligent, witty and cultured, from your posts, ygbkm. You would be very attractive to gentlemen who are looking for a certain caliber of woman.

  100. flyR says:

    YGTBKM – Wow your solosexercise apparently stimulated your writing – Thoughtful and funny.

    Much of modern dating and relationships are more value driven. However, sugar dating puts a dollar denominated price tag on part of the relationship.

    If I mention at a party or put an ad in Craigslist saying I have an extra front center ticket to a high demand concert or the academy awards and am looking to make it a wild two day experience I’ll get some awesome proposals. Same with an extra seat in the airplane for a weekend at the races. No particular angst, just lots of fun and games.

    When you explain the option of sugar – that instead of things (shoes, tickets, status event, etc she will have the equivalent economic power to do anything she wants, it gets sticky with some. It’s not only the sex for money issue but also the value of sex with her vs other women.

    My experience has been that with many women it’s easier to relate the sugar to things. ie if the relationship worked you would have enough for X (car and insurance, ski trip in the alps etc.

  101. Kms2014 says:

    DOM SB…that is EXACTLY why the cheap or many ‘hobbyists’ are on SA. They are looking to take advantage of the young and naive who don’t know any better…and like this jerk’s blog, actually think they are getting a ‘good’ allowance paid in cash, after every meet 😉 And this guy is actually right…if they just googled local prices on backpage, then they would see they are being treated JUST like an escort, or even worse because the guy won’t even agree to a background check, and ends up paying MUCH less. Usually, the older and more clever SBs know better, but it ends up ruining what the relationship is supposed to be, and how many view it. Just look at how gtt has changed the way he views his SB. It is a very sad thing, indeed. There you go…SA.

  102. Kms2014 says:

    I’ve seen that qoute online before. Is on some cheap bastard hobbyist’s blog who capitalizes on ‘discounted escorts'(or, SB, in his world).

  103. DOM.SB says:

    Was a text in a blog I found when googling “Prices Escort / Dominatrix”
    Dont remember which blog, but it was exactly what I needed in my state of mind !!! :-(

    If you guys only want “Sex for money”, be fair and pay the local marketprice!

  104. Kms2014 says:

    And yes, katpaw. Is sickening.

  105. Kms2014 says:

    “What on earth make pot SD’s think I will be available at 25% of what a Pro would charge them !!??
    I am much better, much more personal, much more exclusive and much more available as a Pro!
    I don’t count the minutes with them, talk dirty on line when desired, and am STD free!

    Sorry just pissed off, and reading this didn’t really help:

    -“SBs are the most inexpensive form of any type of a pay-for-play relationship in terms of value per dollar spent. You can pay a SW $20-30 to suck your dick, but you only get one shot. You can pay a fantastic escort $300 to fuck you for an hour, but you only get until your time is up. SBs are unique in that, because of their inexperience with the hobby, they not only undervalue themselves (generally speaking), but they think they are legitimately getting a great deal out of the relationships. Only to a hobbyists/provider do you realize the market for what sex is worth in your area, and it’s because of this inefficiency that you are able to capitalize and get truly the most literal “bang for your buck.”-

    Soooo done with the cheap bastards thinking they can find it at a bargain here….”

    Yep, thank you for bringing that very well-written detailed response. Agree with Elaine…and YGTBKM.

  106. Josh says:

    I can’t see where Dom SB got that quote from.

  107. KatPaw says:

    Wow dont read the blog for a few days and wow..

    The way some of you “SDs” view this is definayly not “sugarships”! Viewing your “SB” as a $$=sex equasion is sickening..

  108. There are cases where sugar borders on desperation and exploitation.

    “‘Sex for money’

    Yes, indeed, that is the way Sugar is heading for lately.
    And that is also the main reason why I am no longer feeling very much in place here.”

    I share similar sentiment.

    Im relatively new to the site, recently new to the blog, and have no experience with “sugar” in terms of a defined arrangement. I joined under the perception of classic ideals of benefactor and companion relationships. I am finding that the modern day concept (at least as is projected on the site) is starkly different, conflicting even, with what I imagined. I wouldn’t think that the experienced benefactor would set his intentions on “hit it and quit it” tactics. Honestly, you can make that happen in a bar on any given night. I would think that a gentleman of substance would seek a lady who provides a degree of enrichment beyond ejaculation. I do get, though, that some men have a sufficient source of those other enrichments, and perhaps sex is the only thing missing thus the only thing they seek.

    In pondering this whole “sex for money” thing, I think that oftentimes people engage in things that they are not passionate about, yet that require their time and energy, because they’re being paid to do it. And in this case, no, it’s not likely that the companion would be there if sugar wasn’t. I, personally, would not have an arrangement with someone I wouldn’t date otherwise, irrespective of sugar. Further, sharing doesn’t have to be a matter of definitive or conclusive give and receipt. In my opinion, the best of a benefactor/companion relationships would be those in which incurred loyalty and benevolence will hold precedence in a genuine time of need…his or hers…given that there are no considerable conflicts.

    There seems to be a degree predatory and sleaze factor from both ends (SD & SB) that is perpetuated by attitude and presentation. People put themselves out there that way, and people buy and sell into it. But I also gather that some are well-intended, able-minded, capable and consenting adults who are genuinely only into the sex and money exchange. To each its own, I guess.

    As far as I’m concerned, a benefactor/companion arrangement should be pursued in a cost/benefit fashion. Is the benefit to the companion greater than the cost to the benefactor. If a benefactor is going broke trying to keep a companion who spends his money on shoes or drugs, he’d be better off at the bar. If a benefactor is engaging with someone who is there out of mere desperation, or if the benefactor is enabling detrimental habits because it’s of low cost and increased benefit to himself, then that is exploitation…whether the recipient “knows what’s up” or not. If a benefactor is of means, and his sharings enables his gracious companion a more comfortable life or means of survival while (and even after) she aspires and works to better herself, then his contribution is of greater benefit to her than of cost to himself.

    I liken it to service gratuity. Whenever I go out to eat, I always tip a notable amount above 20%. Sometimes, I don’t follow any set guideline, and I leave whatever generous amount I feel. If I am dining alone, and I want to sit at a 4-top, or if I am finished eating or drinking but want to leisure around for a while, I tip accordingly. If I have a low check amount because I really just wanted a small snack, but it required the same amount of time or perhaps meant the loss of a higher paying patron, I share gratuity accordingly. Some have argued that I tip too much. My thing is, the difference that it makes to the server is greater than the cost to me, and I still get enjoyment out of my dining experience. Not only does the server feel more appreciated, but if it’s a place I frequent, the appreciation is reflected in the service I get in return. For me–in terms of cost or compromise– it might be the difference of a glass of wine. For him or her, it might be gas money to get to work the next day. Or hell, maybe it’s the difference if a glass of wine for him or her, too. In the least, there is a reciprocal appreciation in service and gratitude. I’m just fresh into my career (you might consider me a hundredaire at this point), thus far from rich, but I am generous. I would think that a man of plentiful means would be generous with and benevolent to a companion who makes his life more fun, fresh, adventurous and whole, his time passed more fulfilling.

    Perhaps I have an unrealistic idea or expectation of an arrangement. If, in fact, that’s the case, I’ll just continue fucking myself…and my showerhead, of course…and suffice for my hundredaire status until I ascend to the next point in my career and to the next income bracket. I’m on my way :).

    Speaking of fucking myself…

    I attempted self sexercise in several 3-5 minute workouts (let’s call ’em mini marathons). I don’t think it did much for my abs. Though I don’t guess I really did a baseline assessment. It could probably be argued that orgasm causes abdominal muscle contractions, and if that’s valid, I might just be a sexercise champion afterall :).

  109. SouthernSB says:

    @Robin-no it isn’t a joke, but sometimes it takes a while. Also you might want to give the blog your profile number so they can take a look at it and maybe give you some pointers on it.

  110. Robin says:

    Why I can’t find someone here :( , it just a joke maybe? I have a lot of things to give :(

  111. DOM.SB says:

    @ Blog gods, can you please share my emailadress with NC Gent?

    We seem to be the last “Mohicans”! 😉

  112. NC Gent says:

    Hey Gtt — it was actually Sincere SD who recommended that approach, not moi :)
    I am pretty far from that approach, and I need an emotional connection (or at least a sincere friendship) to have mind-blowing sex. I can certainly understand the “Sincere” approach, but it isn’t for me. That is probably why it took me about 8 months to find an SB this last time. I think I will have “aged out” of sugar dating after this relationship expires.

    On another note, a few of my SBs have been “life partner” worthy, especially my first SB – not surprising that she is now married. Most of the women I have met on SA are not even close to life-partner worthy (even if I was younger), but I suspect SBs would feel that most SDs aren’t life partner worthy. I find this all very interesting in light of the fact that it appears SA is trying to become more of a mainstream dating site (vs mainly for married men when it first started). I understand their desire to increase their potential market size, but they face a huge struggle IMHO.

    Ciao!

  113. Elaine says:

    “Sex for money”
    Yes, indeed, that is the way Sugar is heading for lately.
    And that is also the main reason why I am no longer feeling very much in place here.
    If for me “Sex for money” was the case, I would have chosen another profession.

    It looks like the FB and Josh approach is at winning hand.
    If even a, once genuine, Sd as GTT is after the P4P and “fast sex” now….

    But then why are we still talking about “SB’s” and “allowances”?
    And “Gentleman” and “Benefactors” that “spoil”?
    Why don’t then call it what it really is!
    Shouldn’t it be “Part Time Escort” and “fee” instead?
    And “Hobbyists” or “Providers”, paying the “per hour price”?

    And if that indeed would be the case…:

    Dom.SB says:
    July 3, 2014 at 7:48 am

    “What on earth make pot SD’s think I will be available at 25% of what a Pro would charge them !!??
    I am much better, much more personal, much more exclusive and much more available as a Pro!
    I don’t count the minutes with them, talk dirty on line when desired, and am STD free!

    Sorry just pissed off, and reading this didn’t really help:

    -“SBs are the most inexpensive form of any type of a pay-for-play relationship in terms of value per dollar spent. You can pay a SW $20-30 to suck your dick, but you only get one shot. You can pay a fantastic escort $300 to fuck you for an hour, but you only get until your time is up. SBs are unique in that, because of their inexperience with the hobby, they not only undervalue themselves (generally speaking), but they think they are legitimately getting a great deal out of the relationships. Only to a hobbyists/provider do you realize the market for what sex is worth in your area, and it’s because of this inefficiency that you are able to capitalize and get truly the most literal “bang for your buck.”-

    Soooo done with the cheap bastards thinking they can find it at a bargain here….”

  114. Jess says:

    Hahaha just go for it get crazy lets do an total body workout !

  115. FatB'StardSD says:

    “Take acid, get lots of money” profile.

    She whines less than I do, and has more reason to. Much respect. If I was looking I would contact a SB with that profile.

  116. FatB'StardSD says:

    @gtt_envy

    You never had more invested in your arrangement than your SB’s even though you think otherwise. An “Older, cool guy, who spoiled them for sex” was all you were anyway and your SB’s knew it.

    There is nothing wrong about your approach now. The SB’s know what’s up and they have no problem with it. They probably appreciate you more now then when you texted them constantly.

  117. Moni says:

    Thanks guys I love ya!

    Very nice to read all your answers.

    I ask because I was actually thinking in engaging in the activity with SD because it was a fantasy of his.

    I trust him because everything is on my terms. I can decide what I want and dont want or what can wait until another time. In example tying, gagging stuff that should have more trust to enjoy it better.

    I’ve had this fantasy as well so why not…

    Is there any other SB that have done this with an SD??

    xox

  118. Laura says:

    I disagree with the thigh mistress being ranked as a 9…because while performing it your enjoying it so ranking it as most difficult can steer women away from trying it…and you haven’t enjoyed sex yet until you do!

  119. “BDSM is only fun with those who have no idea what 50 Shades of Blah is. It’s best with those who live it, not “dabble in it”. Nothing is more frustrating than bumping into what my dear friend calls an “Instadomme”

    Although I do appreciate an ultra sub in a very expensive suit. Nothing is more arousing than an assertive man who relinquishes control. It’s like shopping with someone’s credit card, but better. It’s more like walking into the store and they don’t even ask you for one.”

    Sataney is dead on.

    My partner enjoys elements of BDSM, particularly DS (DomSub),and some SM. I can get into DomSub removed from sadism(pain and humiliation), and the role reversal is super erotic. The best of dominance and submission is in allowing eroticism to flow fluidly, removed from stigma, role and gender assignment. It requires a high degree of benevolence, trust and regard from each to the other. I don’t get much pleasure out of pain. Though, I do enjoy passionately rough sex, and I did get low-lowmid volt electroshock with friends at a club once, and it was pretty erotic. But for the most part, in my relationship, BDSM is on the outsource list.

    Speaking of pain, I recently learned that tickling is actually the stimulation of pain receptors just below the threshold of being physically interpreted as pain. It’s a neurophysio mind fuck, and laughter is pretty much the only response your body and mind can come up with. Hehe.

    As it pertains to masochism, I suppose that one could mind fuck themselves into perceiving pain as pleasure. I wonder, though, if such conditioning would nullify (or even eroticize) fight-or-flight instinct in legitimate, potentially dangerous situations.

  120. gtt_envy says:

    @Midwest, yep agreed I know exactly what you are talking about. The sex that makes you think “This is why I do this…..that was awesome!!”

  121. Midwest Sugar Daddy says:

    @gtt_envy Your post about the essence of this relationship is accurate.

    I am here for the sex and the SB is mainly here for the money. I can see why the length of most of these relationships is short, especially for the under 30 SB.

    I got bored after a couple of months in my first SB relationship earlier this year. It was hard to match the sex we had the first couple of times. You know, the tear your clothes off type of deal in which both of you end up breathless and satisfied.

  122. SouthernSB says:

    gtt_envy-Shame you’re not into women more your own age, because I’d never treat a man like an ATM.

  123. SouthernSB says:

    @yougottabekiddingme-Gravatar dot com for the avatar change. My old picture was Misty Copeland, she’s my new hero. The Mini Ricky I have up now is my new dream purse.

  124. gtt_envy says:

    BDSM or role playing doesn’t work for me…….you have a better chance at hypnotizing me (that has been tried twice on a bet) and didn’t work either.

    Brain overrides it’s not fun for me! Feels like acting and 100% fake. Rough sex is different though.

  125. flyR says:

    BDSM – not of interest to me other than fun teasing of SB. Some other fun adventures – one suggested first date at my place. At her request I opened the door a crack and handed her a bilindfold and after she put it on for the evening . Attorney who really wanted to relinquish control .

  126. Sataney Shibari says:

    @Moni

    BDSM is only fun with those who have no idea what 50 Shades of Blah is. It’s best with those who live it, not “dabble in it”. Nothing is more frustrating than bumping into what my dear friend calls an “Instadomme”

    Although I do appreciate an ultra sub in a very expensive suit. Nothing is more arousing than an assertive man who relinquishes control. It’s like shopping with someone’s credit card, but better. It’s more like walking into the store and they don’t even ask you for one.

  127. Moni says:

    No body answered my question-___-

    BDSM? Opinions? Anyone?

  128. gtt_envy says:

    @Yougottabekiddingme,

    See, in the beginning I was very different from what I just described and I took alot of flack for it. Typical “White Knight”, but by choice!! I believed to the core in seeing the best in any women I talked too. Never pushed sex, always gifts, surprises, and made sure we followed a progression. In the end what always happened was I would be more invested then they would. The txt messages, the time planning things to make sure it was awesome sometimes weeks ahead, the making mental notes of things she would say to make sure the surprises were perfect. In the end I was usually seen as just a “Older, cool guy, who spoiled them for sex”.

    I have had 2 SB’s say almost that “Don’t sugarcoat this you know what this is? This is about sex PERIOD!!” paraphrased I don’t remember the exact vernacular. They also both apologized, but it was still evident where I stood. To be honest it is very much true. We spend so much time dancing around the fact that if there was no ALLOWANCE SB’s wouldn’t be here and if there was no SEX SD’s would be here. Most can agree at the core that is a fact!! While I still talk to some of those truly emotional spoiled SB’s from back in the day really where did that get me?

    So, now it’s more of a template. Template message with a few blurbs to make it personal, some friendly banter before the crazy questions for criteria purposes, and then no more than a 7-14 days before a date. Allowances, expectations, hobbies, everything already talked about it’s time for the rubber to meet the road. It’s worked so well, especially as of late it’s crazy! I truly believe that’s because so many guys are BS fakers that women join the site only to be strung along by pic collectors, endless emails, and broken promises. Direct, doing what you say you will, and being who you say you are seems to pull alot of weight in the sea of fakes works well! Being under 40 doesn’t hurt either I suppose lol.

    With all of that said this is not healthy. These women are not life partners, so while treated with respect, dates are fun, sex has been great lately, there is little fuel to keep these going. After a few nights of tantric OMG sex, daily communication for weeks, then what? What else is there really to do or talk about that doesn’t borderline a relationship? In the past is where this would bite me as it would start to be almost like a relationship albeit a long distance one.

    The part you quote is true though and :( I’m sure it will change at some point. I can’t be a horny perv my whole life!!

  129. Kms2014 says:

    “gtt_envy says:
    July 6, 2014 at 4:48 am
    Another date last night…….gosh it’s hard to not be selfish while doing this. My messages are so blunt now my arrangements are more like what NC_Gent does. I believe that’s who it is, at least. Pay per date, occasional gifts in between meets, and always sex on the first date then after 2-3 dates and doing everything imaginable with some dinner, drinks, and a suite I’m bored.

    If I was a women/girl I would much prefer the way I was 1 year ago with my own self imposed 3 date rule and lots of gifting, but the direct, in your face, blunt approach yields great results.

    The old sales numbers that get posted here message 100, meet 10, find 1 does not apply at all. For me it’s more like message 10, talk to 6, 4 meet my requirements, and bang 2 lol.

    I agree with Tresured not healthy or good for ones “soul” longterm. The longer I’m in the more I see women as a objects, experiences, and constantly wonder how they are in bed. Not good lol.

    FB would be proud of this new selfish hit it and quit it attitude!!”

    Wow….sounds like a kid who went into a new candy store. All I can say is many on site are desperate for quick cash as some are interested in cheap and easy ‘bangs’. Sounds familiar, really…

  130. “Take away from the following SB profile: Take acid, get lots of money.”

    “The longer I’m in the more I see women as a objects, experiences, and constantly wonder how they are in bed. Not good lol.

    FB would be proud of this new selfish hit it and quit it attitude!!”

    I can’t decide which story is more disturbing.

  131. gtt_envy says:

    Another date last night…….gosh it’s hard to not be selfish while doing this. My messages are so blunt now my arrangements are more like what NC_Gent does. I believe that’s who it is, at least. Pay per date, occasional gifts in between meets, and always sex on the first date then after 2-3 dates and doing everything imaginable with some dinner, drinks, and a suite I’m bored.

    If I was a women/girl I would much prefer the way I was 1 year ago with my own self imposed 3 date rule and lots of gifting, but the direct, in your face, blunt approach yields great results.

    The old sales numbers that get posted here message 100, meet 10, find 1 does not apply at all. For me it’s more like message 10, talk to 6, 4 meet my requirements, and bang 2 lol.

    I agree with Tresured not healthy or good for ones “soul” longterm. The longer I’m in the more I see women as a objects, experiences, and constantly wonder how they are in bed. Not good lol.

    FB would be proud of this new selfish hit it and quit it attitude!!

  132. Josh says:

    Take away from the following SB profile: Take acid, get lots of money. 😉

    “Here’s some of my story: Hippie. Lover. Dreamer. Stargazer. Mary Jane. Hallucinogens. Meditation. Peace. Love. Tattoos. I’m a free spirit. When I was five my parents split up. I was forced to live with a drug addicted mom who’s main profession was a stripper. I didn’t even know what lunch was until I went to school . I bounced back and forth city to city cause my mom could never keep a job. At five years old I was forced to raise myself. My mother was always either passed out, stoned, or gone. I had to raise two little brothers also. Make sure they were fed, make sure they were dressed, look after them… I had to become a mother at 5 years old. When I was eight, my mom got pulled over while my brothers and I were at daycare. That was the beginning of a long three years. I went into foster care. I got split up from the only things I cared about, my brothers. I had to learn how to be strong. Already never having friends from moving so much with my mom, friendships became impossible. Between fourth and fifth grade I went to, no exaggeration, about fifteen different schools. My mom didn’t tell my dad, who was in Vegas, (we were here in Oklahoma) for a year that we were in foster care, not wanting to damage her own ego and stop the child support money from coming in. On my 11th bday, my dad finally got custody of me and my mom got her parenting rights taken away, she just couldn’t keep it together. I moved in with my dad. Because of his strictness (I couldn’t even go to the mall with friends without him following me as a freshman in high school) I ran away at 15. I was miserable. I was chained to my past. I was depressed, suicidal, I used to cut.. Running away seemed like the only option. Of course, I got caught. That started a whole long list of things. Drug addiction, selling drugs, partying, virginity lost.. I was surrounding myself with negative intentions. All because I let my past eat at me. 4-20 of last year, I took acid. It changed my entire life for the better. I really can’t express how much. I saw the world as beautiful. I realized that I am Love, that EVERYTHING has a purpose, that everything happens for a reason. I realized that life is too beautiful to dwell on the past, because there’s just too much to experience. Now I’m just a happy person. I try to stay positive. I still get anxious, stressed out, just like everyone else. But I have one solution for that, keep your head up. Meow. Have a good day 3

    What I’m looking for

    I want someone who can give me a lot of money so I can fulfill my dreams <3"

  133. DOM.SB says:

    @ Moni,

    Yes I am.
    It can be a lot of fun! 😉

  134. SouthernSB!!!

    Your old profile picture!?!?!

    How do you cool kidz add profile pictures, anyway?

  135. Moni says:

    I have a question.

    Is there any SD’S or SB’S that engage in BSDM?

    What’s your opinion on it?

  136. AlyVegas says:

    Great tips! Gonna have to try that figure 8!

  137. flyR says:

    I think even those in the UK respect our celebration of the 4th

    Back to our fun discussion of exercise

    For the man – bun curls – she sits on top with legs outside your arms . You lift her by supporting most of her weight . Great bicep builder

  138. sweetie says:

    Happy 4th of July, sugars!!!

  139. Anna says:

    haha;) written for guys;)

  140. Poisonivy_XoXo says:

    I can say first hand these are all amazing!! The figure 8 I make sure to always do last because it brings on the grand finale in an amazing way!
    I do kegels regularly, and it doesn’t go unnoticed. 😉

    I would say invest in a sybian ladies! It is one of the best “power-tools” you will ever have the pleasure of playing with!

    HAPPY FOURTH! Stay safe :)

  141. Victoria says:

    Who wants to be my sugar daddy??? .? Noooo one good in Connecticut!

  142. Josh says:

    Happy 4th to all those in the US…and those in the UK. 😉

  143. Moni says:

    Happy 4th to you too @KatPaw

    Meoww

  144. Jj says:

    Hey @Sweetie the SA blog link, just popped up on the opening page as well… at the bottom in a much more prominent placement per se

  145. sweetie says:

    See it, Jj. Thank you! Seems like SA is hiding it.

  146. KatPaw says:

    Good morning sugarrrrrrs!
    Happy 4th to all ( well those in the US that is )

  147. Jj says:

    @ Sweetie After login, I located it at the very bottom of the page on the left in inconspicuous detail

  148. I don’t like the interface on my phone. I switched it back to the old layout.

  149. sweetie says:

    I couldn’t find the blog tab on the new page. Anyone care to help?

  150. flyR says:

    On the site layout It feels like it was done on very large monitors while most customers are using laptops or ipads . For example this page wastes 50 % of the width .

  151. flyR says:

    @southern SB “What do you think of the new makeup of the site? I’m not too sure how I feel about it. Oh and eight babies per daddy? WOW!!! Those odds are playing all kinds of nasty games with my self-confidence.”

    I think the odds are a little better than the raw data. My sense is that there are a lot of SB’s here just to see what’s happening, thinking about it but with very little follow through or with very unrealistic expectations.

  152. Jj says:

    @Southern I agree with you on the ‘new look’and functionality… not sure. BTW, someone said something about the “member polls” SA has initiated and there is an “opt out” option in settings; think everyone is ‘opt in” by default.

  153. SouthernSB says:

    What do you think of the new makeup of the site? I’m not too sure how I feel about it. Oh and eight babies per daddy? WOW!!! Those odds are playing all kinds of nasty games with my self-confidence.

  154. Sataney Shibari says:

    Why not ask him to help you register an accessory business and issue him a receipt? A man with that many loopholes around his pride surely deserves an incentive…

  155. Add some diamond studs, and call it ding-bling!

    Would it require a prescription? Would it be covered by insurances? Or would it be considered a cosmetic accessory? Surely there’s a loophole…

  156. Sataney Shibari says:

    Let’s discuss the best crutch in the world: a chastity cage for a man comes to mind….Quite a crutch indeed and my oh my, they even make them in rose gold now. Accessorizing is key, quite literally.

  157. “Lastly, ditch your crunches. They actually weaken your pelvic floor muscles.”

    I totally misread “crunches” as “crutches”, and thought, “Wow…a vagina on crutches…the things they come up with!”

    I’m trying to imagine a scenario where a vagina would actually need a crutch. Overuse, maybe? Sprained labia? Good lord. I have a good friend who broke his penis once. I think I remember them giving him a cock crutch…wrapped it up real nice for him…gave it a handicapped parking sticker and a golden buckeye card. He’s pretty young, and it sprang right back into shape before long.

  158. @Sataney “You’re safe from any form of chopping, lovely!”

    I am forever indebted to your mercy! Lol

  159. Moni says:

    Does the riding of his face count as a sexy work out?

    I mean my abs feel great after when you do a snake like movement then going up and down on his tongue works my thighs. I think it’s great.

  160. Moni says:

    Well well well I’ve done half of these in the bedroom but now I am intrigued and turn on reading these new ones. I going to try and get all these down with my next date with SD. He’ll be so pleased and addicted lol love it!

    Kegels bring on my orgasm. I don’t know where I’d be without them.

  161. Sataney Shibari says:

    @yougottabekiddingme LMFAO, not like you have a penis for me to hold hostage until you make better dinner reservations! You’re safe from any form of chopping, lovely! haha

    @SSSD “Don’t you love New York in the fall? It makes me wanna buy school supplies. I would send you a bouquet of newly sharpened pencils if I knew your name and address. On the other hand, this not knowing has its charms.” I can picture your face glowing already LOL

    As for the article, I’d have to agree that kegels alone aren’t most effective but they are pretty hard to screw up and still serve as a great conditioning exercise. However, it’s way more fun with the small, heavy surgical steel balls. Just please don’t get cocky and wear them out in public while you’re in a mini skirt and a thong. I also recommend getting more than one set at the beginning because you’ll be catapulting those all over the house until you get better.

    Lastly, ditch your crunches. They actually weaken your pelvic floor muscles. Ain’t that a knee slapper.

  162. Dom.SB says:

    What on earth make pot SD’s think I will be available at 25% of what a Pro would charge them !!??
    I am much better, much more personal, much more exclusive and much more available as a Pro!
    I don’t count the minutes with them, talk dirty on line when desired, and am STD free!

    Sorry just pissed off, and reading this didn’t really help:

    “SBs are the most inexpensive form of any type of a pay-for-play relationship in terms of value per dollar spent. You can pay a SW $20-30 to suck your dick, but you only get one shot. You can pay a fantastic escort $300 to fuck you for an hour, but you only get until your time is up. SBs are unique in that, because of their inexperience with the hobby, they not only undervalue themselves (generally speaking), but they think they are legitimately getting a great deal out of the relationships. Only to a hobbyists/provider do you realize the market for what sex is worth in your area, and it’s because of this inefficiency that you are able to capitalize and get truly the most literal “bang for your buck.”

    Soooo done with the cheap bastards thinking they can find it at a bargain here….

  163. Josh says:

    On one hand it would be would be interesting to fuck that woman if she kegels during the act.

    On the other hand, I would be scared of sticking any part of my body in her just in case she tried to show off her provess in not so sensual manner.

  164. SunShineSD says:

    I will bring a box of pencils and a set of weights to the next date. LMAO! What kind of plug is used inside the woman in that kind of weight lifting?

    “http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/27/10-reasons-lift-weights-vagina_n_4647073.html”

  165. SouthernSB says:

    Sataney-WOW!!!

  166. “Jokes aside, the black belt of kegels belongs to a woman who deadlifts 14 kilos with her vagina. Us Russians have a peculiar way of being competitive. ^_^”

    Hooo-lyyy shit. Does she also have a third arm that catapults out and karate chops you in the neck?

    Sataney, my friend, I will never get on your bad side.

  167. Sataney Shibari says:

    Jokes aside, the black belt of kegels belongs to a woman who deadlifts 14 kilos with her vagina. Us Russians have a peculiar way of being competitive. ^_^

  168. Elle says:

    Awesome post! Thanks! Love getting in a workout while having fun with my SD simultaneously. Seems like something I would talk about after trying it on my blog… The Sugar Baby Diary [Uncensored]
    thesugarbabydiary dot wordpress dot com << sorry shameless self promo… :)

  169. sweetie says:

    Kidding “There’s only so much you can say about shoes. They hurt, and they cost too much.”

    Hahaha! Yes, those kinds of shoes sure do.

  170. Oh contraire, mon frere Sunshine! The black belt of kegel exercise is picking up a piece of chalk, and writing 8s on a blackboard. Though Sataney will break every fucking pencil in your office with her vagina…and that’s pretty bad-ass. Id practice it at work, but Id definitely need a fine beau to hold me down when I get fired…or arrested?

    “Interesting the shoe topic didn’t last long.”

    There’s only so much you can say about shoes. They hurt, and they cost too much.

  171. Josh says:

    Good article. Thanks Kirsten. 😉

  172. SunShineSD says:

    The black-belt in kegal exercise is picking the man up by his penis, using her own core muscles only!

    Have you been cored, today?!

  173. Moe El says:

    Intersting the shoe topic didn’t last long. Just wonder if anyone got a survey about property from SA?

  174. KatPaw says:

    Lmfao

  175. flyR says:

    YGTBKM ““Elevate yourself and perform a figure 8 shape while your man is inserted in you.”

    Say what? I’m gonna need a visual on this one…”

    You have a piece of chalk glued to your navel and you are pressed against the blackboard writing 8’s

  176. Second that, sweetie.

    Maybe, though, the sexercise workout comes with a personal trainer. Ya know…to push beyond limits, spot if needed, and high-five for a job well-done.

  177. sweetie says:

    What is this, Cosmopolitan?

  178. sweetie says:

    C’mon! The last thing I want to think of while having sex is how my abs or triceps are doing… I’ll stick to focusing on the sex and leave the workout and sweat for the gym.

  179. @Sataney
    “Tiny heavy metal Ben Wa balls. Enough said. Soon you’ll be able to play Naughty Secretary-Submissive Boss: show up at his office, break all of his pencils LOL”

    Haha! I like it.

  180. Sataney Shibari says:

    “Yes KEGLES!!! This makes the pussy magical…”

    Tiny heavy metal Ben Wa balls. Enough said. Soon you’ll be able to play Naughty Secretary-Submissive Boss: show up at his office, break all of his pencils LOL

  181. @katpaw

    “Yes KEGLES!!! This makes the pussy magical… Lmfao orrrr so I have been told.”

    Yeah, it’s pretty effing magical.

    I can give myself an orgasm just by doing kegels. No hands needed. Perfect that art, and you can start thinking yourself orgasms. It’s like mobile sex…you can take it anywhere! On a bus, train, plane or bicycle. To work, school, the grocer or holy communion. You can eff yourself anywhere! Omg…somebody’s gotta get the studio open. Kegels are all a girl needs in life. In fact, KEGELS SAVE LIVES! Ever think about running him over with your car? Do kegels instead! Boss driving you crazy? Do some kegels…and if you’re feelin’ ballsy, tell him or her that the kegels you’re doing that very moment are the only reason you’ve not walked out. He or she will thank you. Kegels are the root of all happiness and severance of all evil. Dump your boyfriend, fire your sugar daddy, quit that job and drop out of school!!! Ok wait…let me not get carried away here. The point is…kegels open entire new dimensions in making love to your partner, and even more so in making love to yourself!

    Think I’ll go and have some lunch now. Kegels for dessert ;).

  182. KatPaw says:

    @ygtbkm

    Yes KEGLES!!! This makes the pussy magical… Lmfao orrrr so I have been told.. Purrrrrrrrrr

    Yes girls always do kegel workouts.. Kegel balls are amazing! Work them during sex is the magic trick! Lol

  183. This is a fun article. Tight thighs and core…I’ll take it :). BUT! Forty-five minutes?! Yeah, right! Might wanna rewrite this article for a 10-15 minute express workout. Thats more comparable to global averages–it’s fine, guys…make it the wildest, sexiest 10 minutes of her life. And then feed her dark chocolate…it’s in the bedside drawer…always. And no mention of kegel exercises?! Yougottabekiddingme! Maybe that’ll be in the article (NEXT ARTICLE, PLEASE! :)) about how to blow his mind in bed…no pun. Someone should open a studio and offer kegel lessons…start a revolution. Hehe.

    “Elevate yourself and perform a figure 8 shape while your man is inserted in you.”

    Say what? I’m gonna need a visual on this one…

    I might have a hard time reenacting these sexercises anyway, being that I’m not seeing anyone locally, and I mostly only have sex with my self…and my shower head…evenly distributed at about a one-to-one ratio :/. Oh! NEXT NEXT ARTICLE, PLEASE! Why every lady should own a detachable shower head! You’re welcome :).

  184. Sataney Shibari says:

    push ups off the sink vanity while he’s behind, with my legs around his torso. I’m ripped LOL

  185. flyR says:

    A great topic. Thanks Cat Paw for the inspiration . With that and the Wiggly Dog I’m ready for the 4th .

  186. SouthernSB says:

    Off topic, one of the young men that use to go to dance classes with my daughter is on this site. I knew his parents were doing well when he was a kid but I had no idea just how well, as they weren’t my friends and he was too young for my daughter to date.:D

  187. KatPaw says:

    Ooo karma sutra lessons!!! Lol
    Another good work out position like reverse cowgirl ( one of my al time fav positions!) is have partner lay on edge of the bed place your thighs in the outside of his legs with feet on the floor.. Heeheehee this is a very very fun ( often messy) ride!

  188. gtt_envy says:

    Another date last night total freak ton of fun!! Love girls that like to masturbate great experience!!

  189. SouthernSB says:

    I’m pretty sure at some time in my life I’ve tried all of these.

  190. 42SWM says:

    Great topic selection!

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