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Sugar Dating: Expectations

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“If you replace the word ‘help’ with ‘pay’…”

A wealthy male member recently mentioned how if he asked a potential SB to replace the word “help” with “pay” in her profile, then she would have to admit, logically, that what she was seeking was purely monetary (this member used the term “whore”).

But if you think about it, don’t a lot of us prefer to use vague or slightly ambiguous language in our profiles instead of overt and direct terms like “pay me” or “sex”, if only to allow for creativity, or to cast a wider net of potential matches?

It’s easy for someone to narrow a Sugar Babies or Sugar Daddies intentions to the lowest common denominator, but most of us here on the blogs know quite well that what motivates many of us isn’t purely transactional.

Wildwon:

“If you want a situation that is “cash for goods” then so be it, but personally, I feel it puts a stigma on the SD/SB relationship that belittles it. Just my opinion. It’s not what I am looking for and I HOPE that it is not what this website is about.”

Sugar Babies:

Would you rather have a SD pay your bills then buy you gifts? Are you unemployed or underemployed and seeking a SD to support you in this tough economy?

Sugar Daddies:

Does giving a SB cash or paying her bills make you anymore/less satisfied in the arrangement? Has your giving been effected by the economic downturn?

All:

Has the bad economy made you bolder, or more specific about your expectations from a Sugar Daddy OR a Sugar Baby?

Have you changed your profile to be more vague? More direct? Why?

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521 Responses to “Sugar Dating: Expectations”

  1. SexAppeal says:

    Is it possible to have a SD Friendship. I’m really not looking for something physical. I’m new, obviously. But have been told by ALOT of women that Im too educated to have a SD. Im not sure what that means, so obviously Im not too educated for one. Ha. Just a thought, Im on facebook and in the groups. States as is, what I am looking for and all that. I dont want to be characterized as a “whore” or a “prostitute” due to having to sleep with a man for money. “Prostitution”

  2. Engebretson says:

    I agree with you 99% but wonder if you have really looked at the whole picture. DOn’t mean to be critical just food for thought.

  3. Sam says:

    Doc, I think you need to look for another arrangement, I have a great arrangement with a young sugarbaby 44 year age difference, Im getting much more of everything for much less. Remember its a numbers game, The more sbs you meet the more likely you are to find the right one.

  4. Doc says:

    ooppps…I posted in the wrong area…

  5. Doc says:

    Hi: first post. I’m going to ramble. i need to get this out. No-one to talk to about this.

    I am a little disturbed lately about my SB relationship. I guess I have broken one of the cardinal rules…don’t get attached. I doubt there is such a rule, but that was the original rule for myself.

    I’ve had a SB relationship since March 08. I really hit it off with Kelly right away, but the sex for money thing was really awkward for both of us. We would hang out quite a bit…go for lunch, play squash, spend a day once in a blue moon, but we only had intimate encounters twice a month or so. I would send her $500 each time we had an encounter (is that being cheap?). I bought Kelly the odd gift from her ‘subtle hints’. A new laptop, gift cards, fancy dinners for a girl with fancy taste. I bought her a new civic…not expensive, but it was what she wanted. I gave her jobs to do for my business and paid her ridiculous amounts of money. A few hours work, $500 or $800. In all, I’ve spent over $20K on her not including the car and about $6K or so for silly odd jobs. What is quite disturbing is what I get back, or lack thereof. I guess I’m the kind of person that prefers to see the reaction to just having a car given to you, rather than specify a return. You read this all the time, ‘I want a guy who knows how to treat a lady’. Okay, but how about SDs insisting upon a girl that knows how to treat a man? I think I’ve been a fool and have been taken for granted.

    We have been intimate about 15 times or so, which is far too infrequent for my needs. I think I have always been very respectful of her ‘space’, her need to be with people her own age, I’ve basically let her run the show. I am 19 years her senior, she is 25. She insists she does not have a boyfriend. She’s a student and I have a agency check on her from time to time, which I feel is my right (some may disagree, but she stated a number of times that she had no intention of seeing someone else whilst in an arrangement with me).

    I am a good looking man in good physical shape. She is great looking and in good shape. We are not on the same page sexually, but that hasn’t really mattered to me. There are no control issues in our relationship. i am in a broken marriage, but stay in it for our 7 year old daughter. But, working my way towards an amicable split. As for Kelly, I have no illusions of what our relationship is. I don’t feel I need to pay someone for company, but I feel I do have to provide an incentive for someone to be with me physically given my marital status.

    I think there is a real danger to caring too much and trying to help out financially in every way possible. I have begun to care too much. This christmas, I really missed her. She went home to be with her parents and has not been in touch. It feels like I’ve fallen in love. It may sound like it too, but on the other hand, if I never saw her again, I’d be fine with it. Someone said in a post above that the arrangement should end on a good note, with some kind of goal met. So, this arrangement will likely end when Kelly finishes school, but helping and feeling part of that goal has lead to an emotional attachment. I didn’t think this would happen, but it has. You grow to care about someone.

    Funny enough, my wife and I are no longer physical, so the arrangement must have a physical aspect, which i do need, but since Kelly and I have not been intimate for a few months now, it seems disfunctional. In fact, I feel horribly guilty because I’ve now been active on the site and been in touch with another potential SB, I feel like I’m about to have an affair on Kelly…how ironic.

    yuck, what an odd situation. It’s supposed to be fun, but I’m feeling quite sick about this.

    okay, thanks for listening. Your advice is appreciated. I think I will book out of the site for now until Kelly and I have had a chance to talk. I guess I should be more specific about my needs. Is it okay to state the frequency of sex that would be ideal. Nothing too dramatic…is three times a month too much based on $500 per encounter. That does not include all the other things I do for her? Am I being too unrealistic?

  6. lisa says:

    I have been contacted by those IM sds too. I send them a message and they dont’ read it, they’re just looking for whoever is online to IM

  7. BeautifulBluegrass says:

    troublenSTL, if they don’t make an attemp to progress things (even slowly) just cut ties. There are enough that want a real SB. It is odd that you haven’t run into any of those…. what state do you live in?

  8. troublenSTL says:

    Honestly, I would prefer my SD to offer “gifts” on a regular basis. Afterall, that’s part of the arrangement…we both get something nice.

    Don’t get me wrong, I have a full-time job but honestly it doesn’t pay well at all (they cut our annual holiday bonus from $1,500 to $500 this year…and I was counting on that money to pay bills…OUCH!!).

    I’ve been on this site for a little while and can honestly say that I have not met a SD or a potential SD that was into progressing the relationship. Most of the guys i’ve encountered just want to IM and shoot the breeze which is a total waste of time I think.

  9. GothicNC says:

    Checking to see if I can actually get this to post…

    Egad, why do I seem to get the real prizes? The first SD candidate I get and he’s a tactless git who wants an escort on retainer. Ick.

  10. CARTIER says:

    honestly all i have to offer is something, bad, different naughty, and unnecessary but additively wild!

  11. OCSugarBaby says:

    OHHH My Ladies, we have a Hottie in the house! Nice Pic NC. You are very handsome. You do not look your age. 😉

  12. Pantherbot says:

    Hey Mass –

    Yes it’s a challenge to find somone legit. I typically take some time to feel someone out over the course of few days to maybe a week or two. If she can hold a conversation, articulate what she wants and has a personality I like then i move along.

    I have had many SBs throw me a phone number the first day i meet them and they inform me something just happened (today of course) and they need money right away. Of course this is not everyone, but typically 70% i have come across.

  13. Massachusetts Yankee says:

    on the question of asking for a work or business website from a SD to insure that he is legit, i personally don’t think that it is fair to demand that because of privacy consideration.

    if the SD offers, that’s another matter.

    look at from the SD’s viewpoint, how legit is the SB and everything on his or her profile.

    well??? food for thoughts. my 2 pennies.

  14. Pantherbot says:

    Good morning all. I see I can post again. :)

  15. lisa says:

    I prefer to wait till I actually meet them in person before giving out a number, as once they have your number they can get your address. I have a cell phone but it’s prepaid and expensive so I don’t use it for sd contacts without it’s just to confirm a meeting, I don’t want anyone calling me on it and using up all my minutes on one phone call. lol

  16. BlkButtafly says:

    i guess this is where i pick up but i guess when i meet an SD would be the time that I’d give him my number….although with the one I’m meeting this weekend, he gave me his and so I did likewise….though we still mostly IM or text

  17. lisa says:

    I can’t really answer on the next question that was just posted by the blog as I haven’t found a sd yet.

  18. lisa says:

    what were we talking about again, lol

  19. lisa says:

    good evening BlkButtafly I think a new subject was just posted.

  20. sweetredhead269443 says:

    waaaaayyyy over in left field again LOL…….. aren’t we always lmao

  21. BlkButtafly says:

    hi everyone! what in the world happened today? I was soooo bored at work and I didn’t have my sugar family :-( are we still on topic or are we waaaaayyyy over in left field again LOL

  22. cro34 says:

    southernbelle : what city are you at and what is your headline?

  23. SuthrnExec says:

    gotta run – see you guys later tonight maybe… Adios!

  24. OCSugarBaby says:

    SE- How are things with you?

  25. lisa says:

    i’m off to take a hot bath, back later

  26. OCSugarBaby says:

    Without trust we have nothing…

  27. lisa says:

    we are still here, I think

  28. SuthrnExec says:

    I don’t think there’s anyone else here to share with…. Where’d everybody go?

  29. SuthrnExec says:

    How do I know I can trust you to share??

  30. OCSugarBaby says:

    I will share! LMAO

  31. OCSugarBaby says:

    SE-How about a big ‘ol BOWL a sugar! :)

  32. SuthrnExec says:

    gotta be conservative – savin’ it up for my special SB!

  33. SuthrnExec says:

    would that be a teaspoon or tablespoon, ma’am??

  34. OCSugarBaby says:

    SuthrnExec- I’ll take some sugar from you any day! LMAO

  35. OCSugarBaby says:

    Thatta girl! 😉

  36. SuthrnExec says:

    Just call this the Sugar Bowl!!

  37. OCSugarBaby says:

    Just rememeber we are here for you, one big sugar family!

  38. OCSugarBaby says:

    Read it again and again and again fake it until you don’t have to anymore. 😉

  39. lisa says:

    I don’t know I check my inbox everyday and it’s still empty, postive thinking hasn’t worked. I haven’t met anyone in over 3 months

  40. OCSugarBaby says:

    Any fact facing us is not as important as our attitude toward it, for that determines our success or failure. The way you think about a fact may defeat you before you ever do anything about it. You are overcome by the fact because you think you are.
    -Norman Vincent Peale

  41. lisa says:

    and one of those huge boxes from hickory farms, lol

  42. lisa says:

    only online, lol my friends all have their own lives and families this time of year. I rarely talk to my best friend now because our work schedules are different (I work days, she works evenings) we always have different days off, neither of us have cars so it’s hard to visit. I would love to have some cute new clothes and some godiva chocolates, lol and those cute panties I saw in the victoria secret window today.

  43. sweetredhead269443 says:

    There is more to life then what you can buy.

  44. SuthrnExec says:

    That’s right! We are priceless!!

  45. OCSugarBaby says:

    Yes, but your life is rich in friendship. 😉

  46. lisa says:

    yes but I saw so much nice stuff at the mall and I still have no sd or emails. :(

  47. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Thats great lisa! yea you are positive. see its not so hard lol

  48. lisa says:

    Hi everyone, I see my post from this morning finally posted. Suffering from blog withdrawal here too, lol.
    Had a nice day, weather was foggy but mild. Went down and got some food from the church, the usualy stuff but they also gave out 10 dollar grocery cards so tomorrow after work, I will buy some meat and cheese. Spent the afternoon with parents. Got a panera gift card in the mail for doing surveys online and was able to go out for a meal, sandwich and potato soup and a frozen mocha.

  49. sweetredhead269443 says:

    due to the tech difficulties…AS in they have a life outside the blogs? lmao

  50. sweetredhead269443 says:

    aussiechinesegal if you have the time read through the old blogs. there is a lot of good advice in them. Good luck to you.

  51. SuthrnExec says:

    i don’t know – we may have lost them due to the tech difficulties

  52. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Where is everyone tonight :(

  53. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Have a great night Jennifer

  54. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Thanks for the information. going to play a game with my son.

    Have to work the next two days!!! Yuck! Will try to get on then.

  55. sweetredhead269443 says:

    When your comfortable. and I use messenger to talk. emails are very impersonal to me

  56. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I wouldn’t get rid of it either.. I don’t even own a winter coat any more.

  57. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I have a question. When do you know it is time to give you potential SD you phone number? Also, do you only email through here?

  58. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I still have my winter jacket from when I lived up north, have never worn it in the 2 yrs I have been here. But its a Jones New york
    and I LOVE that jacket.

  59. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    MIsh… You working away on that interview?

  60. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    YES!!! Did we crash it last night with so much talk? LOL

  61. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I call a long sleeve shirt a sweater lol

  62. SweetEuropean says:

    Yes! It cannot tell you how bored i’ve been without this blog! The weathers terrible today so i was counting on this to keep me occupied! Glad it’s finally working, even though it’s very late here now, and i’ll probably be in bed soon!

  63. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Sweetred stick to you guns. It was raining and cloudy for the most part on my side the of the state.. what is a sweater.. I havn’t worn one in a very long time.

  64. sweetredhead269443 says:

    me! Good Evening NC Gentleman

  65. NC Gentleman says:

    Hi SweetEuro — anyone else have blog withdrawal??

  66. sweetredhead269443 says:

    He was suspended for a day, so I have him cleaning the garage tomorrow. Why should he have a fun day at home.

  67. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Now he is on the phone with his father saying I am being unfair because I grounded him.

  68. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Was 80 here today. I went out with a sweater and jeans!! I was HOT!! didn’t bother to check the weather outside, had a call from my sons school had to pick him up. He got into with another student and he says he did nothing and a teacher was not listening to him. So he proceeds to swear at the teacher ughhhh. TEENS!!

  69. SweetEuropean says:

    Aaaah the blogs working again! Hi sugars! :)

  70. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    It went quite well thanks for asking.

    *coughs*

    I got the guys number too

    but he’s on tour so I doubt I’ll ever see him, I called when I got off work and he didn’t answer.

    few hours of typing up this interview and editing left to do *sigh* fun is gone, now the work part

  71. SuthrnExec says:

    U got mail.

  72. sweetredhead269443 says:

    SE what Project are you referring to? I am confused.

  73. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I agree SuthrnExec, no one likes to be questioned. better to have a conversation naturally. You can find out alot about a person just by talking.

  74. sweetredhead269443 says:

    good Evening SuthrnExec, Everyone! talk about withdraw lol.

    I got a message from the Sd I met the other night. Said he had a great time and was calling me tonight :)

  75. SuthrnExec says:

    OC, I think a lot can be learned about someone from conversation – even to the point of whether they are legit. But I also see in some profiles that the SB don’t want to get trapped into countless emails, etc. For those with that disposition, maybe being more assertive is appropriate?

    I personally enjoy getting to know someone through conversation as opposed to “20 questions”.

  76. SuthrnExec says:

    greetings and salutations one and all!

  77. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Good luck with that little project, sweetredhead SE?

    ITS BACK!!!! Hi everyone, how was your day?

    Mich how did you date go?

  78. OCSugarBaby says:

    My question is still hanging…

    What would an SD find acceptable as far as questions in those first few exchanges.
    I know that from my standpoint, I prefer easy conversation. Show my personality first, humor, let THEM know that I am for REAL. I don’t want to HAVE to ask them the questions of their validation. Does that make sense?

  79. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Thanks OCS… Waiting for the reply from my questions. Maybe in a couple of days I will get the answers. I just asked about what he was looking for and then I asked about what type of business he was in and if there was a web site. So, I can check if he is for real.. Thanks to the SD’s on the site for giving me that little question to ask.

  80. NC Gentleman says:

    It is nice — on short business trips I don’t even take my laptop anymore – I just use the browser on my blackberry… definitely traveling lighter these days :)

  81. OCSugarBaby says:

    NC-That one looks like fun. I have been thinking about making the switch to iPhone. Streamlining devices is key for me. Less to carry!

  82. NC Gentleman says:

    yeah I am definitely addicted to my crackberry — it looks like they are going to have to send me a new one…. maybe they will send the new Storm!

  83. OCSugarBaby says:

    Jennifer- Great news that you got emails, I knew you would.

    So many of us are new at this. But it all starts with that first email.

    What questions should be asked in that first couple of emails? Do any SD’s have some input for us?

    😉

  84. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Good Evening to everyone. When did the site come back up? I tried all morning to get on.

  85. OCSugarBaby says:

    NC- Life without your Crack-berry is hard!!! lol

  86. NC Gentleman says:

    Hi everyone — been on phone with cell provider for 1.5 hours trying to get my blackberry back up ughhhhh.

    I hope everyone is having a great day!

  87. OCSugarBaby says:

    Wow, finally we are back online! ;;)

  88. SouthernGent2 says:

    Stephan – what would it take to convert this to something more like a message board?

  89. NWgirly says:

    Good afternoon SBs/SDs, How is everyone this wonderful December day?

  90. Massachusetts Yankee says:

    sweetredhead269443,

    great detective work.

    had you cashed that check you would have been an accompanist of that fraud, unwittingly.

    hope that others here will learn from your good judgment.

    Steve, perhaps it may be a good example to post this as a warning or setup an advisory page for newcomers who may not be as learned as sweetredhead269443.

    SD by social standards and norms are suppose to help SB. here, particularly, when the rules of networking is already printed when you signed up and agreed, a SD should try to take advantage of SB regardless of their worldly knowledge or being street smart.

    SD here should be held to a higher standards than those of the other sites.

    bravo.

  91. wildwon says:

    Wow, sweet, that’s scary that he got your home address! I find that happens a lot whenever I try to sell something on craigslist, there’s a lot of scammers out there and you have to be careful!

  92. OCSugarBaby says:

    Good Morning All! Everyone got their Coffee? Ok maybe just we West Coasters! 😉

    Hey Mish I tried to log in last nite but got stuck in the moderator mode. I wanted to know how your interview went????

  93. dreamer says:

    wow, thats scary… Youre nicer than me, i would have called the fbi. Had to do it Monce bc of a lovely Nigerian man… Just got word that my date may be cancelled.. Not sure. Darn wifes. :(

  94. lisa says:

    Good morning everyone I see the blog is up and running again. I missed everyone last night. getting ready to take a shower and run some errands, meet mom in the afternoon to have lunch with the free giftcard I got from doing online deals. yah, I will be eating a real meal today.

    Have a great day, later

  95. Kj says:

    Hello all. How is everyone today?

  96. Pantherbot says:

    Good morning all. Not as cold today so I am happy.

  97. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Good Morning to everyone!

  98. NC Gentleman says:

    Hi SouthernBelle – welcome to the blog. Put up your profile with your interests and what you are looking for… kind of what you just told us. If you post a few pictures, you should start getting some inquiries. Eventually, you will find someone that you have chemistry with (hopefully). Sounds simple, but it can take a long time to find someone to whom you are physically and mentally attracted. You also have to be able to work out an acceptable arrangement. Best wishes and proceed with caution. Unfortunately, there are scammers out there, so if it sounds to be good to be true…. Also, before you meet someone, get a full name and use google. Best wishes!

  99. BettieGirlDD says:

    HTSD: I don’t have a SD (yet!)

    I had a first meeting last night which was nice but not a real connection like I have with the first “real” prospective SD.. who sadly informed me yesterday with the credit crisis he’s been working extra hard and couldn’t see me more than once every four/five weeks and doesnt blame me if i find someone who can give me more time. I told him I’m going to keep looking but am too attached to bail, and he said he is too.

  100. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Sweet- My mother was an idiot who fell for a scam like that when she first got on the internet. I was like 15, and I still never better then that…lol

    It was some, My mother is a missionary in Africa and she is sick, can you cash this check please. LOL

    OoOo Another Expectation I have is, Respect. At all costs. I expect it. Not just in the beginning. But throughout the entire relationship.

  101. SouthernGent2 says:

    SouthernBelle – what state are you located?

  102. SuthrnExec says:

    Good luck with that little project, sweetredhead.

    southernbelle, welcome! I assume you have a profile out there that explains exactly what you said in your post, i.e., what you’re looking for (love to travel, etc). I will defer to some of our capable SBs to tell you how to go about ID’ing a good SD ad. It seems that it usually takes a while to weed through the scum and pretenders, but with patience you should be able to find something with which you are comfortable.

  103. SuthrnExec says:

    sweetredhead, good for you! This is known as the “Nigerian Letter or “419” Scam”. Go to either the US Secret Service or FBI web site and do search on “419 scam” and it will give you all the info you ever wanted to know – also what to do it you want to take some action – although there’s not a whole lot you can do because most of those scams are carried out from outside the US.

    You were smart – remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is!

  104. BlkButtafly says:

    Someone has tried to scam me like that before. Unfortunately and fortunately a few years ago I had already gone through the same experience be almost lost $2500 that I didn’t have. So this time I knew what to expect. There are so many scams out there today and it’s so sad to see it penetrate the SD/SB world

  105. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Sweetred, Gail, OC, Lisa, Mish….. I got mail, I got mail!!!!

    A very nice, short note.. I wrote a very long one back and asked questions!!!

  106. aussiechinesegal says:

    Okay I am extremely new to this (3 days actually) and I have never ever done anything or even experienced a mutual agreement relationship or whatever they refer to it here…

    So any advise for a newbie? I want to be pampered as in gifts, trips and allowance. How do you ask without sounding like tacky?

  107. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Do college students really listen? My daughter is a college student, and its a real challenge to get her take my advice. maybe because I am her mother. But they think they have all the answers. (at least she does)

  108. sweetredhead269443 says:

    sig, so in other words you are looking for a young college student to mold?

    I know at my age I would not really need a mentor. A companion, friend, someone to have an exchange of ideas and view with.

  109. SweetEuropean says:

    Morning everyone :)

  110. sweetredhead269443 says:

    good morning all. anyone up yet?

  111. sweetredhead269443 says:

    A few weeks ago I was talking to a person claiming to be an SD. talked to him for awhile and asked if English was his second language because his wording was way off. He say no why? (red flag)

    To make a long story short. He messages me one day said he is out of the country and needs me to receive a check for him from one of his clients and cash it. Send it western union to another client and I was to take a certain amount out for myself. Could he trust me to do this. (screaming red flag goes up)

    Do I look stupid or something? A few hours later (I had not responded and didn’t plan to) UPS is at my door with a very large check. It was an out of state check, with a well know company it was drawn on.

    Me not being stupid enough to cash this thing. I called the bank it was drawn on and asked for their fraud department. It was a fraudulent check as I suspected.

    I was not sure how he got my home address but quickly figured it out and changes that info in a profile I had. he had put in a request for that info and usually you have to accept it before someone can get that information. My son was using my computer didn’t know what it was and excepted it. Now the information is no longer there.

  112. BlkButtafly says:

    thanx so much for your input MA Yankee.

  113. sweetredhead269443 says:

    It does not matter how much money ect. is offered in an arrangement. If there is no chemistry, an exchange of ideas, a bond its not the person for me. I am not selling myself to the highest bidder.

    I am not judging anyone for doing that. Its just not my way.

    I am Leary of a SD that puts a high budget in his profile. In my opinion, an SD that states negotiable is a true SD. The others I feel are just trying to get mass emails. Which in turn they get the False SB’s.

  114. sweetredhead269443 says:

    MishBocaRatonGrl How did your meeting go?

  115. Sig (Seeking traveling companion) says:

    I find myself mentoring mostly in life and expectations management and business… kind of life coaching.

  116. southernbelle says:

    Hey everyone, I’m extremely new to this and I’m not too sure what I should be doing next. I’m really looking for someone I can get to be close friends with and that loves to travel. I have been taking care of myself since I was 18 and moved out and got my own apartment a week after hs graduation so having someone else pamper me is a new and kind of nerve racking experience. I’ve never done anything like this before, though and I’m unsure on how to go about starting this kind of relationship…so any advice from SD or SB would be greatly appreciated.

  117. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Sig, are you planning on wrapping yourself up for Christmas lol? How many emails did you get after that post? Teasing you!

  118. Sig (Seeking traveling companion) says:

    Yes in Asia the SB/SD is common for well-to-do SD. For a set of women it is the way they obtain cars, condos and even businesses. It is where I learned the ropes, so to speak. 😉

  119. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Sig, what things do you mentor on? Topics, subjects, life? There are many of forms of mentoring.

  120. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I am still going to work on you Lisa. One day I am going to get you to see the positives in things. :) hugs lisa

  121. OCSugarBaby says:

    Hi Mish

  122. OCSugarBaby says:

    Mish how was your interview?

  123. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I’m bacckkkkkk! anyone on?

  124. Anonymous says:

    Hey…… Lisa, whats your profile number

  125. Massachusetts Yankee says:

    hi all, just login and saw the posting on what to expect of the “arrangement”. permit me to inject or classify an Asian theme in the arrangement. in asian society, mistresses or what we call “SB” are norms, or, more to the point, expected of people with means. also, as expected, people with means are to be generous without being asked or told.

    that’s the major difference that our American gents are not being or having been “schooled” properly.

    in the 21st century, we should be more socially and sexually liberated. look at the politics of “same sex marriage”. SD/SB should not be so difficult to accept.

    the idea of a Sugar Bill of Rights is not such a bad idea.

  126. Sig says:

    I am fortunate enough to have some flexibility. On a long term arrangement I set up an SB as a consultant. Makes it easy to pay a monthly stipend out of my consulting company. Gifts are handled the same way.

    I prefer to do it direct to bank so no physical money changes hands.

    Usually it’s in the range of $3k if a supplament to $10k/month if it is support. I like women who are thrifty with my money. A lot of my interest is in mentoring so I am not keen on women who do not have fiscal discipline and responsibility. At the same time I want a SB who is feminine and knows how to treat herself, so I am not against shopping, pampering, etc.

  127. Tiara says:

    well i’m a college student so i’m gonna admit i’d rather have an SD pay my bills. it’s hard to be in school, working all the time, and still be broke. at the same time, i appreciate gifts as much as i appreciate money.

  128. lisa says:

    there are plenty of births here, the girls start having babies when they are still in highschool, it’s not a positive thing, girls getting pregnant at 14 and getting on welfare. I like to keep on top of what’s going on, pretending its not happening doesnt make it safer. I remember one of the rapes was a girl who was walking home from her job at wendy’s which is across the street, so guy grabbed her in the apartment parking lot. I don’t know if they got caught or not, it seems most of them get away with it.

    on another subject, just took my bath, used the last of my body oil from l’occitane. The heat makes my skin really dry this time of year and I love my hot baths.

  129. sweetredhead269443 says:

    how about looking at the births or marriages instead of the bad things lol

  130. lisa says:

    I hate this time of year, 2 rapes and 3 robberies, 2 narcotics bust in my aparmtents in november. Two of the robberies occured at 5 and 6 pm at night, I am sometimes out till 5:30, that’s scarry

  131. lisa says:

    i gotta take a break from the blog, the new police statistics just posted for my city , gotta check the robberies and rapes in my area. talk to you a little later.

  132. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I think I am going for awhile also. take a hot shower and get in my jammies. talk to you all later.

  133. dreamer says:

    wow! so much happens in a few hours.. And i think i would be something like warheads.. Sour at first, unless you take the time to get to the inside, then im super sweet. And they are addictive. It is bad for you, but you keep coming back hehe

  134. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    It has stopped me from doing many things. But not anymore!!

  135. lisa says:

    This site has done nothing for my self esteem, they say if you get out there and try, well it’s not working, inbox empty

  136. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Need to go for now.. time to get the little one ready for bed.

  137. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I think we are harder on ourselves then anyone ever could be

  138. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I am the biggest on self doubt, but that is getting better.

  139. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Lisa we never know what your talking about lol. just kidding gf you know I luv ya :)

  140. lisa says:

    I hate moderation as by the time it posts, no one will know what i’m talking about :(

  141. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I am dieing to find out what his views were on our meeting. He did say he had a great time and he seemed very interested and said so. But you know us woman we always doubt ourselves lol

  142. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I keep getting my comments going off into never never land.

    Sweetred.. good for you.

  143. lisa says:

    I just typed a post about my real dad’s death but it’s under moderation

  144. lisa says:

    think we are being moderated now

  145. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    They just stopped talking.

  146. lisa says:

    my dad died 6 years ago (I have had a stepdad since I was 8 ) in Illiniois. I hadn’t seen him in 21 years because I couldn’t afford to travel to see him. He lives in a small town too far from an airport so you have to drive there and in my adult life, I;ve never had a car, so I didnt’ see him. He was too sick to travel, spent his last 20 years in a veteran hospital. I was working the night he died and it makes me mad that my mom called me at work and they wouldnt’ give me the call. I didnt’ get off work that night till midnight (dad passed at around 6 pm) so it was too late to call and find out anything till the next morning and of course I couldn’t even attend the funeral. he and my mom separated when I was 3 so I never really got to know him other than when he visited when we all lived up north, but we moved south when I was 10 and I think I saw him 4 times after that, back when he was living in chicago.

  147. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I will talk to him tomorrow night. he did let me know he could not contact me till then.

  148. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I was on a regular site and emailed back and forth with 2, but setting up a meeting just never happened.

  149. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Were did all of the SD’s go too?

  150. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Had 2 other meeting from another site I think they thought it went well, but they were not for me

  151. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    have you heard from him?

  152. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Yes, they do. I worked hospice before my son was born. The stories I could tell.

  153. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I have had a few responses and one meeting that went well :)

  154. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Lisa, We are in this together!!

  155. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I was with my grandmother the whole time. she never woke but i was by her side. I think they know we are there :)

  156. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Sorry to hear about that Lisa. But you did what you needed to do.

  157. lisa says:

    dont’ feel so bad Jenniferbbwsb, I have had 250 sds view my profile in the last month and have only recieved 4 messages and all were fakes, the carribean guy, the clueless guy, the Im guy wanting to talk to anyone online, and the too busy guy who cancelled and never called back.
    that’s like a 2% return rate and 0% actual results.

  158. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I need to start cooking again spending way to much eating out. last night it was Olive garden tonight Chinese

  159. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Thank you Sweetred. I was with her the whole time.

  160. lisa says:

    My mom and stepdad were good to help but it turned against me now as they spent more time with my daughter than I did and since I used to work nights, when she came home from school, I was going to work.
    Now she is still living with them although I moved out 3 years ago, we see each other often as they live closeby and school and work are blocks away but I feel like my parents took away apart of my relationship with my daughter, they are a family and I am alone.

  161. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    OK I am now finished with my Pitty party for myself..

    I am had a total of 31 SD’s look at my profile and only one to email me.
    And I haven’t heard back from him since Sunday!!!

  162. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Sorry to hear that jennifer

  163. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Yes, Lisa you were lucy. I just lost my Mom in March. She would be cheering me on.

  164. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Think its that time of year, I feel run down also. but taking my Vitc and zinc and hopefully it will stop before I get sick :)

  165. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Brownies for everyone.

  166. lisa says:

    I keep losing my posts, now the subject has changed. I was going to say that I was lucky to have my mom to watch my daughter when she was little, we all lived together.
    Now my daughter has it good, works part time after getting out of school at 12 and makes a good hourly wage, has catering everyday, is going to another christmas party at work this saturday, got a nice bonus, and has easy work. Too bad it has to end when she graduates as they keep that position for students in the work program.
    I’m looking forward to tomorrow, got a panera giftcard today from doing some surverys online, so I will have a nice meal, hot potato soup, frozen mocha , etc and take my daughter a pair of my shoes that she needs for the party she is going to.

    got my closet organized, not much work, just folded a few things, lined up shoes, rearranged clothes, looks much better now

  167. Gail says:

    oh…I see…that is sad…not being a nurse or around the hospital I really didn’t understand.

    I am getting sick..trying to take medicine to get better. My date is coming up soon. So I am going to drink some tea and take a nap.

    Jennifer…save me a brownie…I have ice cream for later:)

  168. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I can’ imagine leaving your child, especially when they were sick

  169. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    my first response went bye bye

  170. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    the first of the month and the government checks. kids were sick and the parents were never seen for a few days.

  171. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I think she means welfare checks maybe? not sure.

  172. Gail says:

    sorry…I must be tired…cuz the checks were too little? is that what you mean???

  173. sweetredhead269443 says:

    You always knew when the checks came out. ???

  174. Gail says:

    why your mom was upset?

  175. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Gail what don’t you understand?

  176. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    too small of a hospital… everyone is married.

  177. Gail says:

    I don’t understand?

  178. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    My Mom was a Pedi nurse.. She would get so upset. You always knew when the checks came out.

  179. Gail says:

    My little sister married a hand surgeon…the only one in 5 counties…LOL… and she got 3 dogs, a house, a house in Hawaii, and finally a son and daughter. She met him in the operating room:) Maybe Jennifer you don’t have far to look…

  180. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Yes, ordered from the internet. LOL

    in the room the doctor (really the nurse) and the turkey baster!!!

  181. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I always wanted to be a peds nurse but never had the time or money to do it. Not sure I would have handled it well. to much sympathy for children. When my daughter was in the hospital when she was a baby I stayed there ALL the time never left. seen other parents use it as a daycare and a break for them. heard children crying all night. I wanted to go to them and sooth them.

  182. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    time to get my son out of the bathtub will be back soon..
    brownies almost done!!!

  183. Gail says:

    LOL…took things into your own hands..huh…LOL….and look what you have a wonderful son:)

    Thai….I love it…especially the soup with noodles:)

  184. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    makes me wonder.

  185. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Yes, there is a demand, but getting short staffed and more work along with sicker and sicker patients. Makes you wonder why I went into nursing.

  186. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Can’t find anyone to charge a $1.00 any more. I used to get $5.00 when I was in grade school.

  187. Gail says:

    Jennifer…a nurse…how wonderful. You have to have alot of patience and compassion to do your job. It is a field that pays well, and there is a demand for people to do the job.

  188. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    so to speak.

  189. sweetredhead269443 says:

    ty, very good i went with the gen tos :) ate about 1/2 the chicken and none of the rice so I have lunch tommarow

  190. Gail says:

    LOL…you goofball….You had me feeling for you….I never paid that much for childcare. I was really lucky. I had a wonderful househusband…I traveled and made the money and he took care of the house and home and the children:) Even when I left, I found a lady that charged me $1.00 an hour for both kids. I have been so lucky in my life:)

  191. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    No dad in the picture. I got tired of waiting for mr. right. took things into my own hands.

  192. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Welcome back Sweetred.. how was you dinner?

  193. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I work as a Nurse in a small hospital in florida

  194. sweetredhead269443 says:

    My children are older, so they are mostly with friends ect. (the Boys) my daughter is in another state in college (don’t get any idea SD’s she is not available lol)) The boys father will pick them up anytime (we have a good relationship) so I may have children but i have the freedom of someone without them.

  195. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    You can keep the sales.. I even hated selling girl scout cookies!!

  196. Gail says:

    You should become a phone rep for Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, or MCI. I worked for MCI years ago and did very well. I did sales and customer service in a call center. In fact I made more money than my supervisor. Of course I love sales and am pretty good at it.

  197. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I do make more than that.

  198. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    That is just for day care. sorry.

  199. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Doesn’t it make you feel good when you see someone you care about happy.
    I bet he was all smiles.

  200. Gail says:

    What $135 a week…I made $450 a week when I was on unemployment…sorry…yeah you do need a new job….

  201. Gail says:

    Also I would not share time with my children and a SD. Oh I take that back…LOL….my SD friend…just friend…did pay her college tuition 1 semester, when I was not working. And she did meet him. He went on to take care of a 8 year old sb:) And that was the happiest I had ever seen him. All of the other SBabies he dated didn’t treat him right.

  202. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    That would be very nice. At $135/wk it does get hard.

  203. Gail says:

    I am still here Jennifer. I can’t say…as my children are grown 23 daughter and 20 year old son. On one of the past blogs a SD shared that he didn’t mind paying for the childcare expense if he was dating a SB with children.

  204. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Now where has everyone gone too and not invite me?

  205. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I have a question for all the wonderful SB’s.

    How do you share your time with your SD and your kids? I am a single mom with some support as in baby sitting.

  206. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Gail.. how true!!!

  207. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Sorry, I am back.. Brownies are in the oven..

    Had a date with a 3yr old and a bathtub!

  208. Gail says:

    Yes…if you have lots of money can’t find anything…little money that’s when you see everything. LOL…..

  209. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Gail and Mina.. I am with you. There are times when I love to shop and then the bad days.. I have the hardest time finding anything that will fit.

  210. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Waiting for the oven to heat up and then take about 30 minutes.

  211. Gail says:

    Mina….you are a lucky duck. On my birthday my ex-SD told me I could go shopping and buy whatever I wanted. I was so inexperienced, and polite, and too nice….that I only bought 3 dresses from Ann Taylor. He did send me 12 boquests of flower to my office though. Now if every I get the chance to go shopping….I WILL shop:)

  212. Gail says:

    LOL….Jennifer….I was typing my long response to you…we want to taste them…so hurry back soon.

  213. lisa says:

    talk to everyone later. I made a committment to organize my closet tonight (my clothes closet, not the other junk closet, lol) I am bursting with energy for some reason today, living on coffee and soda, worked nonstop today and am ready to hit the closet, later

  214. Gail says:

    Trust me….this is not the time. I have never had a problem with getting a job. And I mean a good job in management. I would always have 2 to 3 job offers. This last time out it took me 5 months to find one. I would always be one of the top two candidates and it got so depressing after I found out I didn’t get…I was a sad looking cat:( I lucked out on this one, because their first candidate didn’t work out. They called me back 3 months after I had initially interviewed. And my salary is not even half of what I made before. Good thing is that with this job I have a flexible schedule, and can do my volunteering…Which I absolutely love..So please don’t dive out there. I care about you too much…and don’t want you to struggle.

  215. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I will be back, have to make brownies.. request from my son.

  216. lisa says:

    i’m done shopping, just a couple giftcards for parents and cash for daughter. I will buy a couple pies when I get paid and some cocoa and marshmallows. my family does not eat turkey or pork (I do though) so we are having pizzas and barbecue (mexican barbecue that is sold in my neighborhood, it comes with tortillas and sausa and stuff). don’t know when we will be getting together since the store does not close and we can only get together during daylight, no one can be out on the bus after dark, my dad has bad arithritis and weak knees so mom has to watch him so that he doesn’t fall again.

  217. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Where did everyone go?

  218. Mina says:

    I have an interesting relationship with my SD – I don’t have any bills to pay because my parents take care of everything (I come from a fairly well-off family) but my SD provides above and beyond that. Instead of 1 pair of Louboutins, I can now buy 2 pairs, a matching purse, and a dress too. He is married but occasionally gives me gifts of David Yurman or BBB jewelry, never roses or chocolates (as that’s not my style anyway – I don’t like roses and only eat Godiva dark chocolate truffles on occasion) The gifts never come out of/affect my allowance, and I have the ability to do whatever I please with that because I dont have bills (in other words: I go shopping!)

  219. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I have taught my children the same thing. As I said we have adopted a family. I asked them to choose one gift from their list to give to another child. They were very generous. I was happy to see it

  220. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Same with me.. the darn stuff for the stockings can get out of hand.

  221. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Gail.. I know, I know… I get this feeling about every 3 to 6 months for the last 13 yrs.

  222. Gail says:

    I have been shopping all year. Just need to do stockings. Luckily all I need is xmas candy and gift cards left for the stockings:)

  223. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    I am trying to teach my son that you need to give more than receive. So, he helped me pick out some of his old puzzles, the wooden ones, to give to a friend at work.
    Her grandson just loves them.

  224. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Jenniferbbwsb don’t remind me ughhhhhhh

  225. Gail says:

    Jennifer, Wait…be thankful you are employed. The economy is really bad right now. Everytime I thought I wanted out…I just had to talk myself into rededicating myslef. But I do get very bored after awhile. I like to do new things all the time:)

  226. lisa says:

    we had 1000 for 12.99 , but if you wanted some nice ones you could get 500 for over a hundred dollars. I can’t help it it is drilled into from working in a copy center and I even remember the stock number, 314 premium bright white, lol

  227. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Sweetred… only 1 week to go!!!!

  228. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Lisa, I can see your point. My time will come and it will be here before I know it.

  229. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I have really not shopped to much yet. I will be one of those crazy people out there on Christmas eve. last year i was done in October. Just have not felt like shopping this year. have no idea why. think its sneaking up on me

  230. Gail says:

    And Lisa…I know that my last boss was cheap, when he told me to order only the 250 free business cards for now. So you are oh so right…

  231. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Not so much now, Thomas the Tank Engine and The Wonder Pets.

  232. lisa says:

    it isn’t as hard as shopping for a 17 year old girl. lol at least when they are little, you get to pick, and I did a lot of clearance shopping (nice clothes at a good price) when my daughter was small. now she only wears abercrombie stuff and luckily grandma buys it for here and she works part time for a doctor as part of a school work program, makes good hourly wages and can buy her own stuff. as for Christmas all I was able to give her was 50 dollars, last year I couldn’t give her anything and she wouldn’t speak to me or see me for months. My parents, I got starbucks cards for as they love coffee.

  233. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Now back to our regular programing.

    What I am looking for is a friend, teacher and mentor. I want out of the medical field!!!! Need to get into something new.

  234. Gail says:

    No Jennifer…I don’t remember…my son is 20 years old…so that is eons ago…LOL…Isn’t that cookie monster age?

  235. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    It’s great to be back. I am now done with the shopping. Good thing that I only have to buy for my son. Do you know how hard it is to shop for a 3yr boy?

  236. lisa says:

    they were too old and I doubt they had any money. lol the one gave me his business card, he buys and sells cars, I used to design business cards at my last job and this guys’ card was the basic standard stock, or our moderate rate card, I tend to judge a man on his business card stock and ink colors now, as the really good ones are expensive.

  237. Gail says:

    Instead of jenny on the block….its jennifer on the blog!!!Hello ….you xmas shopaholic….LOL…I was wondering where you were.

  238. lisa says:

    just trying to keep warm, cold day here, in the 30’s and a cold front is supposed to come in on the weekend, coldfront, I thought this was a cold front, lol

  239. Gail says:

    That’s what we haven’t talked about on the blog. The FUN of it!!! I have had lots of fun. I have many stories to tell. LOL..

    Lisa….stop hynotizing them with your beauty. You should have slipped them your number…better that than your tongue…LOL…Love ya Lisa:)

  240. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Hello to everyone. I come in and read the posts then leave to fix dinner and when I come back so many more to read. It is hard to keep up.
    How has everyone’s day been.

  241. lisa says:

    I think I read one about taking care of my animals, I seen it on the blog when I got up this morning. it was funny how this old man was talking to me about the cold weather, he thought I was from Sweden, and we were just talking and his frail wife came over and took his arm and led him away. lol

  242. wildwon says:

    Thanks Gail, it is a high, it’s a drug I will crave from now on ;o)) And the fact that it could be considered “taboo” makes it ALL the MORE FUN!!!

  243. Gail says:

    Awwwwwh Lisa. See what you do to the older generation. I am talking about HTSD. You didn’t read his post about you? It was from yesterday. Read it and then talk to me. LOL….

  244. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Pantherbot awww sending you warn thoughts, have a wonderful night

  245. Gail says:

    Wildone…from dirty martini to American Geisha…it certainly is a high when you have a SD:) Happy for you!!!

  246. lisa says:

    Gail, an admirer, who?? I didn’t have the patience to read every post in this blog, all 250+ of them.
    I had a weird day. there is this old man that comes into the store and he has taken a liking to me since I started working there. He is like 70 or 80 and has a wife. He is always telling me how beautiful I am (he must have bad eyesite, lol). then there was another old old man who was talking to me and his wife got irritated at him and came and got him to go with her.

  247. sweetredhead269443 says:

    wildwon you crack me up

  248. Pantherbot says:

    Ok all. It’s time for a long drive home. Catch you guys on tomorrow, I will freeze my butt off for the next hour!!!

  249. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I am still tired and I slept a total of 9 hours today. time to down some vit C and zinc, feeling run down don’t want to get sick.

  250. wildwon says:

    American Geisha? That’s perfect! I want to be the perfect concubine ;o)

    Just finally paid my car payment, thank you daddy ;o) Feels so good to have that done!

  251. Gail says:

    Weird….Yesterday…I was on American Geisha…good thing I recognized it was from before and didn’t post.

  252. sweetredhead269443 says:

    wow some how I booted myself to an old blog and posted there

  253. Gail says:

    Hey Lisa. I see you have an admirer:) Catch him….get him…go girl:)

  254. Gail says:

    Ok…Anon…you have me cracking up…Lmao!!!

  255. lisa says:

    Hi everyone, just got in from work and am exhausted, not from work but from catching up on this blog, lol.

    I think it is important to be upfront with what you are looking for. I want someone to spend time with but I also want financial help and perks, if I just wanted to find some guy to have great chemistry and fun with, I wouldn’t be looking on a sd sight.

  256. Anonymous says:

    I am a deeply religious nonbeliever – This is a somewhat new kind of religion.

  257. Gail says:

    Have a wonderful time wildwon. Don’t drink to many martini’s. Don’t want your urine sample to have an olive in it. Who is this Anonymous Quoter? I thought they only came on late nites.

  258. sweetredhead269443 says:

    lmao maybe you should see someone about that, that sounds like it may hurt

  259. wildwon says:

    Love it!! 2 hours and counting til first date. I heart men!!!

  260. Anonymous says:

    I drink too much. The last time I gave a urine sample it had an olive in it.

  261. Gail says:

    Good one wildwon….LOL….the SD will be downing ya forever….LOL!!!

  262. wildwon says:

    I would be a martini, strong and dirty! heehee

  263. bostonTerrier says:

    i won’t lie … i have looked at my competition before, the college-age sbs in boston. it kinda of gave me a confidence boost when i first signed up [i thought to myself, “i have a shot over her or her, etc” … bad, i know :( ].

    i don’t regret doing it … it’s kind of like in sports, you want to know who you’re up against to know if you should step up your game or not.

  264. Gail says:

    I would like to think of me more in the terms of a drink. Definately a
    Mai Tai:) with the sweet cherry on top:)

  265. Gail says:

    Hey everyone…it seem that the cold weather is keeping us in and blogging forever and a day. I left this morning…200 its near the end of the blog topic…LOL…

    Medical field Pantherbot? Hey I was in the medical equipment/test and measurement field with Agilent Techn for years.

  266. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Hmm what flavor would I describe myself as? Strawberry…sweet with a little tart thrown in lol :)

  267. BlkButtafly says:

    I haven’t changed my profile because I ask for friendship first. I don’t look at the competition because we are all so different like drinks at the bar or candies in a candy shop.

  268. wildwon says:

    I’m vanilla with hard toffee chunks ;o)

  269. wildwon says:

    i agree sweet, every one like different flavors!

  270. wildwon says:

    SouthExec to answer your question I have not changed my profile, but then I’ve only been on here for a couple of weeks! I am currently looking for a job and have a great 2nd interview this week, yeah! i hope I still have time to spoil the right guy when I do get that perfect job! :o)

    I will say it is much harder finding a job in down economy, obviously. It’s very hard on the self esteem, especially since I’m very well educated and have worked steadily for years…but just like looking for the perfect SD, patience, patience ;o)

  271. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I don’t see the other girls as a competition. I am my own unique person, and someone will like me for who I am.

  272. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Do Sbs look at the competition? Or do they hold fast to what they want and let the chips fall where they may?

    I hold fast to what I want and what I am looking for. I don’t mean the money or gifts. I mean the chemistry, friendship, intelligence ect.

    The other things (money/gifts) are an added bonus type thing for me.

  273. BlkButtafly says:

    hey panther. I have been trying to keep up with the reading. But I was working and now I’m on to my 2nd job that involves mostly driving :-(

  274. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Have fun :)

  275. Pantherbot says:

    It has not really effected me that much. I do how ever take into account my surroundings and the overall economy. Like any business I look for what makes sense for me and my well being. Depending on my mood and what is offered perhaps I will gravitate to a SB who has a lower “financal requirement” and offers the same (beauty & intelligence) as a SB “requiring” more.

    As more Sbs flood the market does this make for more competitive “negotiations”?

    Do Sbs look at the competition? Or do they hold fast to what they want and let the chips fall where they may?

  276. SuthrnExec says:

    ladies and gents – time has sneaked up on me – I have to prepare for some volunteer work this evening – I shall join in later on this evening… Adiós!

  277. SuthrnExec says:

    I personally don’t think it is – but I am just me.

  278. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I have not changed my profile. Because I do not mention anything about money or gifts in it ,well except the range thing but I put it to its lowest. maybe I should change that. do you think that’s a issue???

  279. sweetredhead269443 says:

    OCSugarBaby heres a big hug for you ( I am NOT kissing you) :)

  280. Pantherbot says:

    BlkButtafly –

    You were quiet for a while. I thought you made a run for it.

  281. SuthrnExec says:

    OK ladies and gents – let’s swerve back into topic —

    In light of the economic meltdown (or for other reasons), have you changed your profile to be more vague? More direct? Why?

  282. SuthrnExec says:

    pooorrr OC… :-(

  283. BlkButtafly says:

    wow we will need a new blog per day with all of these remarks :-)

  284. OCSugarBaby says:

    I never get any love *or kisses for that matter. Mish let us know if SE is a good kisser! lol

  285. sweetredhead269443 says:

    your in for a bumpy ride lol

  286. wildwon says:

    Thanks to you too Cutiepi! Looking forward to a nice dinner, this girl is getting spoiled!!

    And this blogging is addictive!!

  287. BlkButtafly says:

    I said it before and I’ll say it again you go, Mish! :-)

  288. SuthrnExec says:

    welcome Andy – please bring your seat into an upright and locked position and stow your tray-tables…

  289. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Hi Andy and welcome

  290. sweetredhead269443 says:

    lmao@OCSugarBaby and role call

  291. Andy says:

    Hi everyone! I’m new to the blog and the site. Just wanted to drop a line that I really enjoy reading everyone’s posts. It gives me an idea of what to expect. :)

  292. sweetredhead269443 says:

    well girls we are not doing our jobs the boys are talking shop lol

  293. Pantherbot says:

    SuthrnExec,

    Hospitals? Of course!! Companies down there in partiular I don’t know. We have been buying companies left and right. We still have some acquisitions that are not fully intergrated with corporate yet.

  294. sweetredhead269443 says:

    MishBocaRaton you go girl. I am and getting the pop corn and see how this turns out lol

  295. sweetredhead269443 says:

    HTSD lets just start over, I was joking hun.

  296. SouthernGent2 says:

    MishBocaRaton needs to be flirting with me and not SouthExec. She may have just hit a jealous chord with me.

  297. HTSD says:

    There you go with your assupmtions again SweetRed, and now you are speaking for me. I love what’s on the menu Mish. Would take you out any day for a meal. And mentor you too.

  298. SuthrnExec says:

    Pantherbot, do you ever work with any of the medical device companies in Memphis??

  299. sweetredhead269443 says:

    SuthrnExec kissin and telling lmao

  300. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Be back girls, gotta drive home

    Traffic, sucks… I’m a speed demon, so it shouldn’t take too long

  301. sweetredhead269443 says:

    SuthrnExec ??

  302. SuthrnExec says:

    Sorry, I was in the backseat with Mish for a few minutes gettin’ me some sugar!

  303. Pantherbot says:

    ” And some crab rangoons…” – Ohhh how i love those.

  304. sweetredhead269443 says:

    MishBocaRatonGrl that sounds good, but that’s A LOT off food for one person lol

  305. SuthrnExec says:

    OK, what did I miss??

  306. sweetredhead269443 says:

    HTSD would disagree with you but thank you :)

  307. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Generals Tso’s Chicken

    w/ Fried Dumplings

    Wonton Soup

    =]

    And some crab rangoons…

  308. wildwon says:

    Thanks sweet! Your moniker is perfect for you ;o))

  309. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I think I am ordering Chinese tonight all alone, the Boys are out with their girlfriends. any suggestions?

  310. CutipiNYC says:

    have fun wildwon!

  311. HTSD says:

    Is everyone done mating? What’s left over. Who doesn’t have a SD?

  312. sweetredhead269443 says:

    wildwon good luck, Hope you have a WONDERFUL time

  313. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Pantherbot very interesting. I am glad you get to come “play” with us :)

  314. wildwon says:

    I guess I spoke like seconds too soon! We are on for tonight, yeah!!

  315. sweetredhead269443 says:

    wildwon sorry to hear that, maybe something came up.

  316. CutipiNYC says:

    i wrote something really long dreamer and it disappeared..lol

    MY sd still gives me a check in the beginning of the month..but in terms of gifts (roses, etc.) he doesnt do those too often anymore

  317. Pantherbot says:

    sweetredhead269443

    I work for one of the big three medical device companies. I work in the Information Technonology department. I basically plan, build and maintain our computer infrastructure at the headquarters here in St. Paul. Pay is good, hours suck lemon along with the winter weather. Being in the IT department helps, i get to play on the computer when I should be working.

  318. wildwon says:

    ugh, frustrating! I was asked to meet for drinks today and still haven’t heard from him! For someone that was SO EXCITED to meet me a call or text might be nice!! I think I’m being stood up, now I’m sad :o((

  319. sweetredhead269443 says:

    lmao Pantherbot pops in and out more than a jack in the box

  320. Pantherbot says:

    Sorry i got cutt off there…

  321. dreamer says:

    ohhhhh snap. You may have gotten me, Exec. Or you are calling my bluf. Idk.

  322. sweetredhead269443 says:

    SuthrnExec is just a big flirt lol

  323. dreamer says:

    what happened to the gift nyc? and stephan, when are we going to be able to post our avatar (or pic) with the blog?

  324. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    he’s my secret lover.

    but shhhhhhhhhhh it’s a secret, so secret he doesn’t even know it yet

  325. SuthrnExec says:

    Thank you sweetredhead – take up for me!!

  326. SuthrnExec says:

    Dreamer, what makes you think I am not? :-)

  327. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    it’s an inside joke.

    it’s alllllll loveeee babyyy!

  328. sweetredhead269443 says:

    MishBocaRatonGrl why are you throwing things at the poor man?

  329. CutipiNYC says:

    My SD and I have the same monetary arrangement as before..but i must say i do get less “gifts” than before

  330. dreamer says:

    Im really curious, Exec, what type of SB are you looking for? We have every type in this blog, from spicy to sweet, and you seem to get along with them all.. So why are you not hooked up yet?

  331. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    *throws a blunt object infront of Suthrn*

  332. sweetredhead269443 says:

    sorry that just perked my interest :)

  333. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Pantherbot your in the medical field? may I ask what you do?

  334. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I know chemistry is VERY important :) I could not be with someone I did not have chemistry with.

  335. Pantherbot says:

    CutipiNYC – I doubt many of the SDs have stoped searching. It depends on the SDs and the sheer number of SBs available in the market. The economy has not hurt the amount of SBs signing up for this site. Those of us working in the Medical field have not been severly impacted by the recession.

    An instersting question is if SBs are asking for/expecting less then before in this economy?

  336. SuthrnExec says:

    sweetredhead, there are no “rules” as such (I know you know this) – it’s whatever you and the SD are comfortable arranging.

    Did I tell you how important Chemistry is?? :-)

  337. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I think because I am older, I do not get the emails you all have been getting. Which I am thankful for because I would just tell them where to go :)

  338. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I can only say I’ve became quite fond of one Married SD I spoke to off of here. But he lived FAR away. In Canada, and his situation was interesting. His wife, & He shared a mansion, but he lived in an entirely different wing. He had 2 children one off to college, the other 16, and said he hadnt even kissed his wife for over 2 years.

    & It wasn’t his choice, purely hers.

    He’d speak to me while he was home, but…he’d be in his home office. When his daughter came around, he’d…fake a business call and get off the phone and we’d Text or IM.

    It worked out, I spoke to him everyday, but…we ended up as friends…nothing more. nothing less

  339. sweetredhead269443 says:

    he has never been a SD before and I have not been a SB before so we are both “working it out”

  340. CutipiNYC says:

    has the economy hurt any of the SB’s in here finding someone?
    what about the SD’s..have you stopped your searches?

  341. sweetredhead269443 says:

    thank you Pantherbot, was curious to how you work a SB into your lives.

  342. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    See, that’s what I’m talking about. A little goes a long way when it comes to communication. I’d like to feel cared about, I don’t only want requests to send Naughty photographs and/or engage in only “What I’d do to you if you were here” talk…

    Ends up, upsetting me. I want my SD to care about me, and it should be important that I’m doing good… because maybe he could do or say something sweet to brighten my day a bit.

  343. dreamer says:

    i like a sd i can talk to regularly but not all the time.. I like learning about people in general, so that settles one of my needs lol. Lowes gift card. Cute would have never thought of that

  344. Pantherbot says:

    Back – server crashed.

    Mish- I know what you mean and I agree

    sweetredhead – It’s not a hugh deal during the days since most of my cells/blackberries are corporate so the bills never come to my house. Many of my expeses are under the corporate banner so it never gets mailed to the house so no issue with the wife. A potential sugar baby can contact me anyway or how often she wants during the workday. During family hours i have no issue with emails. Phone calls and texting is a no no. In caase of emergency I have a processs worked out where she could call me.

  345. BlkButtafly says:

    I think I understand you Mish. Just let me know you’re still alive from time to time sort of thing. Think about me without gifts only kind of situation

  346. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I have a question for the married SD’s. Is it hard for you to make calls ect. take time away make “excuses” to your wives?

    I know you can look up cell phone calls online can your wives look those up?

    Just curious. I know I am VERY careful because he is married. I do not call him or leave emails when I know he is not available.

    The last thing I want is his wife finding out. Or put him in that situation.

  347. bostonTerrier says:

    i know what you mean mish.

    i had a potential sd [he was single by the way] who would *only* contact me when he wanted to see me for dinner or something. i wasn’t down with that and he had to go.

    my current sd is also single but he works a lot so it’s not as though he has tons of time to give me and i wouldn’t have tons of time to give regardless. i’m a student and school will always come before any sort of relationship.

  348. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Thank you NC.

    lol, someone agreed , finally.

  349. sweetredhead269443 says:

    sorry mich I was talking in general not directly to you. I noticed I put your name in the first post only meant the first line to you. I understand what your saying :)

  350. NC Gentleman says:

    Ok I got side-tracked on a call, but had to comment before I left.

    I am a married SD and I text, email or talk to my SB almost every day, even on the weekend. As Mish said, it only takes a few minutes and it makes us both feel good. Ok bye for real this time!

  351. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I don’t want ALOT of time…

    Wow, everyone misread what I said, I just don’t want it to be purely about physical connections.

    Don’t call me just to plan our next get-away… Call me during the week to check on my day. 5 minutes ever other day is alot? No…

    A single SD would give me, TOO much time. Which I don’t think I’m willing to get involved with that right now.

  352. sweetredhead269443 says:

    he is always apologizing for having to answer a call or when we talk on the phone for having to call me back again. He is very caring about the way I feel too.

    He worries about the situations he puts me in. The relationship is new so I think eventually he will understand I can be very flexible and stop worrying so much.

  353. CutipiNYC says:

    Mish..

    are you looking for a married or single SD. Because if your looking for plenty of communication..your going to have to find a single on. I have a single SD and there are plus and minuses to it. He has plenty of time for me..but sometimes i feel like he wants to hang out ALL the time. In fact after a few months he wanted to make it a “real” relationship. He said he would continue helping me out financially. Just make it official. Problem wit that was..i wasnt looking for a boyfriend. I was fine with seeing someone once a week..dinner and sex included. But my SD and i speak at least every other day..phone or email

  354. NC Gentleman says:

    Ok you all have a good night! I am headed to the gym so I can keep a flat tummy :) Thanks for the fun!

  355. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I don’t need to speak to him everyday for hours, just… a Text here or there. Or an Email, maybe a phone call on his drive home…if a day or two passed by thats okay, but I’m not okay with a week in between speaking to him.

  356. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I didn’t think it all the way out lol. was just throwing out suggestions. Gift cards are a wonderful idea. And so is paypal.

    and yes you have to be careful that it is not used as a “piggy bank” but if you trust your SB (and you should be able too) especially if your a married SD.

    I think trust is a very important element in a relationship. ANY relationship. If you can’t be open and honest then you can’t be yourself.

    Ok I went off on a tangent there. stick to the topic lol

  357. sweetredhead269443 says:

    MishBocaRatonGrl I can understand that, but I know with the situation the SD I am talking to is in his work schedule is crazy. He is a Doctor. He can only see me when he can and sometimes that doesn’t happen because he is on call. I can be on my way to meet him and he may have to cancel.

    The other night (our first meeting) his phone kept ringing. He tried hard to ignore it. I said answer it, its ok. I know it was stressing him out.

    Through our emails and conversations before meeting he was very up front about his situation. I can either except it or I don’t.

    He needs to be less stressed with me not more. I am there to re leave some of the stress he has in his day to day life. That is the “arrangement” we have.

    If I demanded that he calls me at a certain time or be with me then it would not be the arrangement he is looking for.

  358. NC Gentleman says:

    Mish – my second SB only wanted Lowe’s or Home Depot gift cards — it worked out great!

  359. bostonTerrier says:

    “Would you rather have a SD pay your bills then buy you gifts? Are you unemployed or underemployed and seeking a SD to support you in this tough economy??”

    i have no bills aside from a cell phone but i’m on a family plan with my mother & sisters so my lovely mother pays for that. tuition … after my scholarship, my mom pays the *very little* bit that is left over which is great considering the price of this school where they sweep the leaves off of the sidewalk right as they hit the ground.

    i don’t like to think of myself as “unemployed.” i’m a full time student and i think that is a job in itself, 40+ hour weeks.

    “Has the bad economy made you bolder, or more specific about your expectations from a Sugar Daddy? Have you changed your profile to be more vague? More direct? Why?”

    no, not really. i haven’t been affected by the economy yet [i’m 100% positive i will be once i apply for grad school in 1.5 years]. i’ve always been pretty honest in my profile with regards to what i was looking for … i haven’t had any major problems finding a SD either. i guess i’ve been lucky or i’m on a lucky streak or something or maybe it’s just because boston is spectacular :)

  360. Pantherbot says:

    NC Gentleman –

    Interesting. I never thought of using Paypal (even though I use it on occasion for other business).

  361. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Well, I’d be happy with some BESTBUY Gift cards…

    I need alot for school this xmas

  362. Pantherbot says:

    sweetredhead269443-

    Those are giftcards from a banking institution. Could that be used yes. But do not use it as a “piggy bank” becasue the bank will start to charge you a mintenance fee if a balance is left on the card for a certain amount of time.

  363. NC Gentleman says:

    Hi Sweetred — I have done those reloadable visa cards. Believe it or not, another way that has worked out well is paypal. Gift cards are nice too because I get those for clients. By the way, all the things that I pass through the business account, I mark as personal to make sure I pay income taxes on them. The last thing I want to do is get in trouble with the IRS over this.

  364. sweetredhead269443 says:

    OCSugarBaby missed you too :) its funny I go to type something and I see you already said it and better than I could lmao.

  365. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I expect my SD to make time when we’re away from one another to call, and let me know how his day is going…

    I don’t want it to be, I see you when I see you, kind of relationship…

  366. Megadeath says:

    I have had success on this site and this is my view. I think that allowance works best. Direct deposit into my account end of story. I don’t think that allowance should include travel, outings or anything else. Gifts are totally optional (i get them anyway) but gifts are not very useful when you need to pay tuition or whatever other bills. I’d rather be debt free than have a new louis vuitton. Having a set monthly allowance is the best way to go…that way its simple and very clear. My SD and i discussed the amount on our first meeting (we clicked right away and knew this was gonna work)…i get a bi weekly allowance and we dont ever even talk about it. IF he wants to travel around the world that should not and does not affect the amount i get monthly. If he wants to go – fine but im not paying for those extra luxuries. He is my sugar daddy, not my daddy. Simple.

  367. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I was just thinking of something. what about one of those visa or master cards that you can reload. Easy for an SD to explain and leaves a SB to purchase or pay her bills she needs paid. Then its all about the 2 of you when you are together.

    just throwing out a suggestion to all of you. I am a problem salver lol
    I like to “fix” things sometimes its a good thing sometimes not.

  368. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    OOooOoooOOoo oO o I don’t think Stephan is quite fond of me, so I doubt I have much luck there

  369. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I mean, like an SB…

  370. NC Gentleman says:

    Mish — SG2 and I are having a “bromance” lol wayyyyyyyy joking!

    Stephan let us share email addresses because we didn’t want to publicly talk about some thing in particular. We were both premium at the time. Thanks again Stephan.

  371. OCSugarBaby says:

    NC-I can be sweet and funny too! lol

    Hey SouthernGent2- “Seems like there are no sb types out there that really take this thing seriously” … What??????!!!!!

    Missed you Sweetred! <3

  372. sweetredhead269443 says:

    find their profiles and you can email them

  373. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Hey, how can you message someone else? like how are NC and SG2 emailing back n forth

  374. Pantherbot says:

    NC Gentleman –

    I agree, typically i have usually selected somone at least 2 states away to insure discreetness. I am starting to ease that policy since it’s hard for me to get away (from work) to see her more then once a month. With the right SB it’s hard to be away from her that often.

  375. CutipiNYC says:

    Hi yall!

    I thing expectation is a “strong” word. I dont expect anything from a SD..but hopefully who you get involved is someone that wants to spoil you..and is willing to.

    Now that being said im someone that loves to be appreciated..and gifts are more than welcomed. Bags shoes etc..i love it all..lol

    Unfortunately, in this tough economy I am with someone where our arrangement is a financial one. Living in NYC (hence the name) is tough and when I started my arrangement I put my cards out on the table. (not a sob story but an honest one) We worked out an amount that works for the both of us and it has been working every since (1 yr this coming jan)

    Long story short..you have do what is best for you and your “partner”.

  376. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    SG2- I am flattered darling :) that you think so highly of a girl like me

    you made me blush a bit

    hehe.

  377. Pantherbot says:

    SouthernGent2

    I think there are a lot of new SBs that have different takes on this form or arrangemet. As i mentioned in another thread it’s become hard to seperate authentic Sbs from Escorts and those looking to make this month’s rent. If a SB can not handle more then 3 emails of conversation with out asking for a check to be sent immediately she is not the one for me.

  378. NC Gentleman says:

    yeah the downside of a long distance arrangement is that you don’t get to see each other as often, but the upside is that we spend evenings together… not a perfect world and we all seek balance in our choices….

    and OC — too darn funny on the A$$ kicking Olympics :)

  379. BlkButtafly says:

    well SouthernGent I guess that just goes to show that sometimes age is just a number…..U go Mish! Get ’em girl! :-)

  380. sweetredhead269443 says:

    Wow I can’t keep up today maybe I should not have taken that nap (which I never do) but I needed it.

  381. Pantherbot says:

    MishBocaRatonGrl – Check your email 😉

  382. sweetredhead269443 says:

    I think no matter what age you are, you always aspire to do more thing, see more things and learn more things. Isn’t that what life is all about?
    To me it is. Personally the medical field fascinates me. natural medicine especially. if i had the time and funds i would love to go back to school, even at my age. I have been in the Chiropractic field for the last 10 yrs, I work the office part of it but I learn all aspects of that field and read about it all the time.

  383. wildwon says:

    HAHA OC Love it!! I have to say after reading some of this I have been pretty lucky! Only one perv that wanted to pay me for sex, gross, made me feel so cheap! The rest have all been very respectful, which is very important to me!

  384. Pantherbot says:

    SouthernGent2 you are correct…..

  385. SouthernGent2 says:

    MishBocaRaton intrigues me greatly. How can a girl of her young age have such a high level of maturity and perspective? If she were in my home town……………………

    NC Gent – I like your idea of being a bit more distant, but that is hard for me with my schedule (think i told you that in email). I assume some risk being seen with someone local, but that is a chance one has to take at times.

    Why is it so difficult to find someone right now? Seems like there are no sb types out there that really take this thing seriously.

  386. OCSugarBaby says:

    I would have responded “Step off or it will be the A$$ kicking event in the olympics” lol

  387. BlkButtafly says:

    Uh oh! I sense a match made in SD/SB heaven :-)

  388. sweetredhead269443 says:

    A$$ licking olympics……DID I miss something? lol

  389. SweetEuropean says:

    a$$ licking olympics hahaha…classic!

  390. BlkButtafly says:

    Awwww that’s so sweet Pantherbot. All SDs and SBs should strive to make a positive, unforgettable impact in each other’s lives

  391. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    That’s pretty much what I’ve been looking for, more a mentoring plus kind of deal.

  392. Pantherbot says:

    MishBocaRatonGrl –

    Believe it or not I am looking for someone who can inspire me. She would be my equal and in some cases inspiration.

    What would i bring to the table? Resources. Knowledge, business know how, suggestions, contacts, info on courses and suggestions (depending on your field of interest). It depends on where she is in her life. I could bring a lot to the table for someone like minded. How open is her mind? What does she seek and how best can i help her attain it?

    I would much rather mold or see someone become what she wants then deal with someone who has no aspirations. At least I could then sit back, read about her in some magazine in the future and say ” I helped her get there! Yeah me!”

  393. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Yes, girl…

    A$$ licking olympics…

    I had to mute the phone, I was dying in laughter… he was dead serious too…

  394. sweetredhead269443 says:

    SuthrnExec Says: SBs, if that were your situation, would that be acceptable to you?

    I really don’t need to write anything OCSugarBaby said it exactly right. I agree 100%.

    Its all between the SD and SB I think you should KNOW what type of relationship you want. The arrangement of money gift ect. can always be lets say negotiated.

    I agree taking the stress and knowing what that is would be a wonderful added bonus.

    I understand the SB”s point of view about wanting to be appreciated and the SD. everyone wants to know they make a big difference in someones life. May it be financially or giving someone what they need most emotionally, physically ect.

  395. BlkButtafly says:

    The a$$ licking olympics????? What the????? HAHAHAHAHAHA

  396. NC Gentleman says:

    Yeah wildwon — I don’t want to be seen in public either, so I have always had SBs that were at least 300 miles away. I just don’t want to have to deal with that risk or embarrassment – I think it would ruin an evening out if you were always looking over your shoulder….

  397. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Yeah, I’m…right there with you.

    I can goto the bar, or grocery store even…and get atleast 3-4 men hit on me in a 15 minute spand, on SA it’s RARE! Very rare actually.

    It’s odd, … I get weirdo’s hitting on me here all the time though, one guy said I quote

    ” Can you help me be a finalist in the A$$ licking olympics ”

    and another

    “I want you to make me meowww like a cat”

  398. SweetEuropean says:

    Oh no i’ve missed loads, my internet stopped working for a while there! I’m going to check out everybody’s profiles now :)

  399. BlkButtafly says:

    Oh and thank you NC! :-) Mwah!

  400. wildwon says:

    Oddly, most of my potentials have been single and I think I prefer it that way. No worries about being seen together in public.

    And that’s just it NC, I want to make someone feel special, that’s one of the things that makes me feel good! I’m a giver, what can I say?? I am happiest when I’m making others happy!

  401. BlkButtafly says:

    Yea I’m on the same page as Mish. Right now it says I have 102 views and so far I have only 1 meeting planned and that’s for this weekend. In my usual world I get hit on all the time, not so in the SD world….well @ least not by genuine SDs

  402. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    And panther, what would you be willing to bring into your SD/SB relationship?

    And what do you expect, all together.

  403. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Butta- I think it’d be rather interesting, I’d entertain the thought of it.

    Even though, me personally, I’m disgustingly open-minded. Kind of a Try it once, before I knock it kinda girl

  404. Pantherbot says:

    wildwon –

    It depends on the situtation. If i chose a SB that lives out of state and I only see once or twice a month I would not mind if she had other SDs. As long as I am #1 for her when i get off the plane and she puts me first for the time I am there I have no problem with it. Come to think of it, it would not bother me regardless as long as I get my “personal” time dedicated to me and only me when I need it.

    Due to my job and personal life i have very little free time anyway.

  405. NC Gentleman says:

    I am a married SD, so I can’t really expect my SB to just have me. Nonetheless, I love it when I am the only romantic interest in my SBs life because it makes for less drama and it makes me feel special.

  406. BlkButtafly says:

    quick random thought/question: would it drastically take away from the discreetness if someone went on a SD/SB double date? I don’t mean for the 1st date of course…

  407. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    You’d think I’d have SD’s knocking on my door, but I think it’s the opposite effect, instead of being turned-on by my mind, it’s like their turned off by the challenge almost…

    I really have no one, anymore…

    *rolls eyes* Damn all those creepy, posers.

  408. wildwon says:

    Wow! My first day of blogging and I’m quoted! I feel so special! I’m new to this world and I certainly don’t want to ask for anything! I definitely felt more special that my last pot SD just knew I was going through a difficult time and wanted to help me through it, and with no expectations. Although the chemistry was so electric for me I wasn’t worried about expectations! Chemistry is key and once that’s there, the rest is gravy!! I hope he stays in my life, but just in case meeting a new one tonight…

    How do you SD’s feel about SB’s continuing to meet new potentials? I would prefer to have just one to focus my energy on, but much like regular dating there is no guarantee that they will want to see you again…

  409. Pantherbot says:

    Peanut –

    Maybe he was retired or rich enough to stay home all week. That would give him plenty of time to want Mish regularly.

  410. NC Gentleman says:

    ok im a lil slow on the prince song….. u r very pretty buttafly :)

  411. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    OC great post above.. I think you hit it right on. I would love for someone to cook for me, to call out of the blue to say hello and a teacher of new things.
    Open up my mind to the world as never before.

  412. Pantherbot says:

    Mish –

    Maybe it’s something in the Florida water? :) From your pictures Mish I know you and BlkButtafly have no problem attracting a lot of interest.

    And yes seeing you in the Elf costume with High heels makes me feel warmer.

  413. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I am a busy busy girl. And I’ll work an SD into my life but,… 3 times a week?

  414. Peanut says:

    2-3 times a week is a hell of a lot Mish! Unless you sit around your house and do nothing, but I’m sure most of us here work or have other stuff going on aswell!

  415. BlkButtafly says:

    Lolol @ Mish! Woo hoo!

  416. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    haha, yeah … The SD’s do that to me aswell… I moved from Tampa to South Florida, and I travel back n forth alot, and I wish I’d travel there more, but the guy in Tampa was wanting a weekday, 2-3 times a week kinda arrangement which was a bit impossible.

    I personally don’t mind taking some weekend trips :)

    and if it’s an arrangement I’ve had for awhile, I could always take off work here and there

  417. BlkButtafly says:

    You couldn’t NC? Awww :-( I was joking with the 777 number of course. That was a Prince song.

  418. Peanut says:

    I think the amount of gorgeous guys on this site amazes me more NC!!

  419. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I’m not even a lesbian, and I’d let sweeteuro and blk be my sb’s

    :)

  420. BlkButtafly says:

    I do occasionally but not too often. I thought I was going to have a nice SD from there at one time but he said I was too far……I was like uhhhhh ooookkkk but you said in your profile that you wanted someone in FL….

  421. NC Gentleman says:

    p.s. I travel to South Florida on occasion. I was there in early November – Miami :)

  422. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Not bad, not bad….panther

    *smirks*

    lalalalal

    *irons my ms. clause santas helper outfit*

    “it’s begining to feel alot like CHRISTMAS” lalalala

  423. NC Gentleman says:

    I couldnt get buttafly’s profile to come up :( The number of gorgeous women on this site is amazing to me.

    Deal on Paris sweeteuro! lol

  424. Pantherbot says:

    Mish the number is 277328.

  425. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Panther, what’s your profile number…

  426. Pantherbot says:

    Wow….

    BlkButtaFly, Sweet, Misch & OC all very attractive. And all are warmer then me right now. :)

  427. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Yeah , we both are…

    Do you ever travel to South Florida???

  428. BlkButtafly says:

    Thanx Mish! We’re both in Florida so hey anytime! :-)

  429. BlkButtafly says:

    Yea what he said lol

  430. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    BlkButtaFly & Sweet Euro…

    BOTH GORGEOUS!!! ABSOLUTELY =x

    Wow, I’d love to have a night on the town with both of you, paint the city with SUGAR lol

  431. BlkButtafly says:

    whoa that ladybug gets around…..

  432. NC Gentleman says:

    lol — that number is from Tommy Tutones — Jenny I got your number 8675309 (sorry from my generation)…. my premium expired…. here is my number 252554 – I have an SB so I let my premium account expire.

  433. BlkButtafly says:

    It’s a song performed by Tommy Tutone like back in the 80’s

  434. SweetEuropean says:

    Thank you NC! :) I do wish I was in the states, i’m missing all the fun!! And i’d love to go to Paris with you 😉 lol

    I think the SD’s on this blog should start posting their profile numbers, curiosity has got the better of me!

  435. SuthrnExec says:

    BlkButtafly, yes I love the picture at the top. For anyone who cares, I believe that’s a 7-spotted lady beetle – found from Colorado to Maine to Florida (I was an environmental biologist in a former life).

  436. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    NC it said you’re profile says does not exist

  437. OCSugarBaby says:

    I love COMPLIMENTS NC thank you!

    Just another SD form of $$$…. lol

  438. BlkButtafly says:

    Yes I like that sandy. We should focus more on mutual appreciation just as much if not more than mutually beneficial

  439. BettieGirlDD says:

    NC Gentleman thank you for appreciating the retro look. I get to dress up as a cigarette girl for an event in February.. Hopefully I can have a new little getup to wear by then :)

  440. NC Gentleman says:

    wow all these profiles — you are pretty OC — and sweeteuropean — move to the States and you will have tons of SDs knocking at your door — wow! will you go to Paris with me!

  441. Sandy Sail says:

    That’s the thing…appreciation. Mutual appreciation.

  442. Peanut says:

    I don’t have many bills to pay, so having my bills paid is not an issue. Gifts and allowance are major perks to being a SB, but to be honest, some of the best SD’s I’ve met we never even made arrangements before-hand. It was more of a “meet and get to know” at first, and everything later followed. I don’t like asking for money unless something happens and I’m desperate. Will some people think I’m lying? Most likely…but I’m not trying to get rich.

    However, this is a tough economy. I’m a university student and pull in about $450 a month at my actual job. So often times, the money and gifts are seriously, seriously appreciated…but not expected. It just makes life a little bit easier

  443. Sandy Sail says:

    I was fortunate to have been involved in a wonderful SD/SB relationship, though we never called it that. Our relationship was wonderful because we were getting the perks of marriage without the headache. He took care of my allowance (cash and credit), gifts and anything that came up when we were together. It seemed like a lot to me, but he said I was cheaper than his wife. For him, I never said no and I spent lots of time planning our encounters. When we were in public I treated him like my King and he treated me like a princess. We were both aware that ‘real life’ wouldn’t allow for such great experiences. Our relationship was one in which we had countless positive attributes. I think financial support is as significant in the relationship as mentorship and the relationship itself.

  444. BettieGirlDD says:

    I think girl who asks for Prada and MAC when her bills aren’t paid is irresponsible. If you live in your parents house, sure go shopping. My car failed inspection and I won’t really relax enough to enjoy new trinkets til thats taken care of…

    But ya know, I keep feeling like this is the same discussion in 30 different packages. Where your wants lie on the cash/gifts : companionship/sex quadrant is up to the individuals. (I’ll draw a diagram if you guys dont know what a quadrant is) We dont need to keep preaching to our own choir!
    Ive never met a SD online before tonight (getting antsy for that call) and I’d like to hear how experienced SB’s handle asking for what they want/need.

  445. Pantherbot says:

    Back after lunch, still feezing outside. Time to catch up on the topic.

  446. SweetEuropean says:

    Ooooh i’ll join in! I’m profile number 264271

  447. BlkButtafly says:

    LOL @ NC……in that case I’m 7779311

  448. OCSugarBaby says:

    I am in marketing, love research!

  449. OCSugarBaby says:

    BR549 (originally spelled BR5-49) is an American country music band founded in the mid-1990s in the city of Nashville, Tennessee.

  450. NC Gentleman says:

    I am 8675309 and my name is Jenny…..

    You are pretty Bettie — I like the retro look :)

  451. BlkButtafly says:

    Oh and has anyone commented on the picture yet? I think it’s hilarious and cute!

  452. SuthrnExec says:

    Mine is BR549

    (anybody know where that is from??)

  453. OCSugarBaby says:

    Oh sorry I thought we were still on our commercial break! Just kidding ya Bettie. But hey, we should all post it on here! They are fools not to notice the sweet fun SB’s that blog! 😉

  454. BlkButtafly says:

    Oooh are we dropping numbers now? I’m 264118 :-)

  455. BettieGirlDD says:

    OCSugarBaby: I will hopefully have an answer to that tonight! I’m having dinner with a nice tall SD tonight. I’d be fine with this being a meet and greet but I’d like to get the arranging out of the way.

    Im just trying to feel no more “greedy” than an SD should feel “superficial” for wanting what he wants. Two to tango, people!
    I’m 273192 for anyone who cares to look :)

  456. BlkButtafly says:

    I agree

  457. SuthrnExec says:

    Love your attitude OC! This is the attitude – even for SBs that DO need the financial help – that would get my attention as a SD. Because even though it might be about helping financially, depending on the SBs situation, this kind of thinking would make it great for both.

    SDs agree? SBs agree? Anyone disagree??

  458. OCSugarBaby says:

    oops I meant act like one 😉

  459. OCSugarBaby says:

    Well, let’s see. The economy has taken a downward turn for all of us, both SD’s and SB’s alike. I currently do not have an SD *Hint Hint 😉

    But if I did I would take into consideration the arrangement factor. I would talk with him and let him know that (which if he was my SD he would already know) it is not about the money. I would love other ways that my SD could spoil me. Like I stated above somewhere, take care of my stress and WANT to do that. Instead of long expensive dinners, I would love him to cook for me, teach me golf, rent my favorite movie and get naked under the covers to watch it (or at least try), show me that he is present in my life. Not just the other way around. I want to show my fiscal responsibility. I may want a Sugar daddy to treat me like a sugar baby, but I do not intend to ask like one (baby that is).

  460. SweetEuropean says:

    I agree completely BlkButtafly! :)

  461. NC Gentleman says:

    Hi Mish — I looked at your profile – you are a very pretty young lady :) I am sure there is an SD out there who would be proud to be your friend!

  462. dreamer says:

    I dont have a job anymore, but I would use a SD like a paycheck, I dont think that is fair in anyway… Im not really a pamper me type of person.. I get my nails done for interviews but that is it.. Im too tomboyish still I guess.. Yes it is nice if they offer to pay bills.. (Even tho I will say no the first time they ask, a little Chinese mannerism for you.) but I love gifts too.. Like someone said, it makes me smile for a week.. Or alot longer!

  463. BlkButtafly says:

    I meant individual relationship sorry

  464. BlkButtafly says:

    I believe that in today’s hard times a SD should say, “Baby, I need you in my life to make it less stressful so I am going to do what is in my power to do to make your life less stressful.” Now whatever that entails is left up to the individual arrangement.

  465. BettieGirlDD says:

    SuthrnExec, if my SD would just send payments to my education lender and we could just date like normal, that’d be awesome. Just think about not having your support physically change hands unless its in a velvet box or a shopping bag. It would feel more like sponsorship than a one-off engagement. Sorry about the sports metaphors. Sure, I can use some new clothes and love nice dinners but all I’m wanting for now is a mentor/confidant and for Sallie Mae to stop calling me!

  466. SuthrnExec says:

    Here’s a follow-up — for SDs and SBs —

    If the economy has impacted aspects of your arrangement, how has it and what are you doing differently?

  467. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    My interview is tonight! ahhhh…. maybe that’s why I’m so hyped up.

    I’m anxious

  468. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I kinda like this new SD I originally hit on…but, he seems a little hard to get =x

  469. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Have a great lunch..

    Great one SuthrnExe!!!

  470. SuthrnExec says:

    OK you two – get a ROOM!! 😉

  471. Pantherbot says:

    Ok off to lunch. See everyone soon.

  472. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Her Profile number is 252314 , if you’d like to find her …

  473. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    MIsh.. And people not calling if they are going to be late or not coming. very big pet peeve for me.

    When is you interview? Best of luck.

  474. Pantherbot says:

    Well… have you been naughty or nice?

  475. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    OOOoOooOooo

    You don’t wanna see my X-mas list then because 90% of it is some kind of electronic device.

  476. Pantherbot says:

    MishBocaRatonGrl- Sure I would like to adopt the right SB for me. One who loves gifts. Especially when they are a suprise. And if she likes Tech-toys then even better since I work in an Information Technology department.

    Where is she so i can text her! hehe

  477. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    Now for the rest of the story…

    I agree with everyone else.. It would be nice, but not part of the deal. I love surprises and things not expected, so it is gifts for me.

  478. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    Chemistry is a priority. Without it, I can’t truly enjoy an arrangement.

  479. SuthrnExec says:

    Did I ever say how important CHEMISTRY is to this relationship? Eventually, you will know what stresses each other and how best to help relieve that stress…

  480. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    *cough*

    I think I have a new found pet peeve with waiting for people to email me back

    *cough*

    I’m slightly impatient. When I’m hyper minutes are like HOURS

    *cough*

  481. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    SuthrnExec….. That is a wonderful ideal. Not to have to pay my Visa bill, What heaven!!! Now if I could find that SD.

  482. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    SweetEuro- Don’t ya just love em? Nothing feels better then a well-thought gift. Really hits home.

    Panther- if you’d like to adopt an SB for the holiday season, I have one in mind :) hehehe

    I heard she works undercover for santa clause too 😉

  483. SuthrnExec says:

    Pantherbot, you make a good point – that type of financial arrangement would probably have to be coupled with gifts – needs to be a balance.

  484. Pantherbot says:

    MishBocaRatonGrl –

    You sound like Santa’s little helper to me. :)

  485. Pantherbot says:

    SuthrnExec –

    I know where you are coming from but it depends on SB. The last one i dealt with I had web access to her cell account, Electricity, etc… so i could pay directly and knew it got paid. But it got boring since it was not appreicated.

    So I am on the “gift” bandwagon now!

  486. SweetEuropean says:

    Mmmm sushi, good choice Pantherbot. I want some now aswell!

    Mish – I love gitfs too! They feel alot more personal somehow! And with money you know what to expect but with a gift it’s always a surprise! :)

  487. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    BINGO! OC!!!!!!!!

    you just nailed it babe!

    “I would like them to take the stress away, but I DO not expect it.”

    can anyone tell I’m hyper?

  488. OCSugarBaby says:

    I would like them to take the stress away, but I DO not expect it.

  489. OCSugarBaby says:

    SE- Great question and loved your answer. I would like my SD to take my stress away. I know that I want to do that for him as well! But, just the fact that you WANT to makes a HUGE impact.

    Communication is key on so MANY levels!

  490. Nubian Queen says:

    Honestly, If my SD wants to pay bills or just buy gifts & travel that’s cool with me. I’m Xstatic by the fact I’m no longer spoiling myself or flipping the bills all by my lonesome.

    Sweets…….

  491. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    I’m saying gifts maybe because it’s Christmas time, and honestly I LOVE LOVE LOVE Christmas, I bought maybe 20 people or more gifts (probably wasn’t in my budget) But I love seeing people get something they really wanted.

    Like I got my sister a Wii Fit, she likes the games on it.

    And my sisters husband, I got him a Laptop Case/ Money clip/ Passport wallet that all goes together…

    Im like Santa’s little helper this year :)

  492. MishBocaRatonGrl says:

    GIFTS!

    OoOoOo

    I just loveeeee! To go shopping and get gifts from my SD. (If I had one)

    *smiles brightly* like this nifty laptop I’m on right now that my potential got me.

    Gifts make me turn red, and happy almost all week (if not longer) money just… eh, it gets put in the bank usually…

  493. SuthrnExec says:

    If there were bills that needed to be paid, I would prefer that a SB just give them to me and let me pay them – even monthly recurring bills. Seems like that would take some stress away. This would not exclude gifts, pampering, etc. that I would make sure is done.

    SBs, if that were your situation, would that be acceptable to you?

  494. Pantherbot says:

    Doing well.. trying to decide where to go for lunch. i want sushi but I don’t want to go very far.

  495. SweetEuropean says:

    Hi Pantherbot, i’m well thanks, slightly restless today though! How are you?

  496. Pantherbot says:

    SweetEuropean – Hello.. how are you today?

  497. SweetEuropean says:

    Morning OC! (even though i’m in the afternoon! 😛 )

  498. SuthrnExec says:

    stephan, I just dropped you an email.

  499. Pantherbot says:

    NC Gentleman –

    My arrangements were along the same lines as yours. I put more $$ into gifts and bills then actual cash. It’s easier for me to cover the costs of bills and toys then explain large or repeated cash withdrawls.

    Bank Cards and on rare occasions if the SB uses the same bank as I money transfers from a private account. Much easier….

  500. Jenniferbbwsb says:

    On this subject I really don’t have an answer. With never having a SD before, I really don’t know what to expect. I have a good job that pays the bills, just enough to get by. I would love to have special gifts that truly come from the heart. When someone takes the time to think about you and remembers what you have said in the past to help make decision of the type of gift he or she will purchase.
    That is a very special person in your life.
    Does this make sense?

    I hope everyone is have a good morning. Just back from Christmas shopping.

  501. OCSugarBaby says:

    Good Morning Everyone!

    A new day and a new blog! Its time, the other one was far too long to scroll down.

    ok, let me catch up since I did not log in last nite…

    HTSB- Newport! 😉 I am in Irvine

    Pantherbot-Well silly if it is too cold for you in Minn, come on back to CA. We miss you!

    SE-You never cease to amaze me

    NC-I never thought about it that way, does $3000 per month requested include gifts, dinners etc. I do not have an amount listed. But you gave me something to think about.

    SweetEuro- Good Morning!

    Bette- I know what you are saying. Cash goes farther, but how does one get that point accross without sounding like “pay for play”

    Sweetred- Sparkly as ever, good morning 😉

    Did I miss anyone?

  502. SuthrnExec says:

    For the record, yesterday I was writing my comments in a word doc and then copying and pasting them in – each time I pasted and submitted, it disappeared. After a while, the comment was not relevant because the topic changed.

  503. stephan says:

    LOL NC Gentleman & SweetEuropean, I have some info gathering to do about this, it might have to do with the browser or maybe WordPress… Glad I put 4 shots in this Americano 😉

  504. SweetEuropean says:

    NC Gentleman – I still haven’t visited Paris, hoping to go soon though, I hear it’s beautiful this time of year and they have amazing christmas decorations. I’d love to see the eiffel tower all lit up!

  505. SweetEuropean says:

    lol stephan, great minds think alike 😉

  506. SuthrnExec says:

    It’s whatever works best for the SB as far as I am concerned. It’s about helping meet someone’s need. I have assisted SBs in ways other than money – time, mentoring, etc.

    When I spend time with an incredible woman and the chemistry is great, everything else takes care of itself.

    The economy really hasn’t directly impacted my ability to maintain a SB relationship – but I am keeping my antennae up and constantly checking the economic winds.

  507. NC Gentleman says:

    Stephan — that happened to me several times last week also. I figured I was on double top secret probation or something :)

  508. NC Gentleman says:

    I went to Paris in June for a weekend. It was spectacular and is now my favorite big city :)

  509. SuthrnExec says:

    yes – it disappears as soon as you click submit comment.

  510. SweetEuropean says:

    NC Gentleman – I’m in the south of France. :)

  511. stephan says:

    SuthrnExec:

    I just checked and didn’t find it in the auto-spam filter… did it disappear right when you clicked “Submit Comment”? I will look into this and figure out whats going on… in the meantime I don’t want this to happen again, so maybe you can copy them right before you submit just in case (highlight & right click)

  512. SweetEuropean says:

    SuthrnExec – always copy the message before you subit it, that way if it disappears you can just keep pasting until it works! :)

  513. NC Gentleman says:

    I have had two SBs, and I was giving them about $600 per month in cash and gift cards, plus I picked up their cell phone bills and spoiled them with travel, meals, entertainment, etc. I know this is on the lower end, but my cost was easily about $1500 to $2000 per month.

    Does the budget number that SBs put include the spoiling costs? I am just curious how many guys provide $3,000+ per month to a woman. My accountant would ask a lot of questions about those kind of withdrawals.

    SweetEuropean — where do you live? I go to Brussels and Copenhagen quarterly.

  514. SuthrnExec says:

    first comment I painstakingly wrote disappeared – will try again… (Stephan, anyone looking into this issue??)

  515. BettieGirlDD says:

    If my sugar daddy gave me a cash gift and said “you deserve a spa day” or “I know you need a new winter coat” I’d take the suggestion and pick out my own gift as specified. If he just says “this is for you” the cash would go to any late bills. Lately there are a lot of those and I dont think in these times it’s a sign of laziness or a gimmie-gimmie attitude. I have some hard working friends (im thinking of a PhD and a drug rep) who are also struggling to keep their cell phones activated and gas in the car. If this were a different time I wasn’t under dire threat of having my cell (or elec. or internet) turned off I’d treat myself because that’s the point!

    As to my motivation, I’d had my eyes open for a SD for a year now but these tough times my longing for sushi and new sweaters has made me more proactive in my search. I accepted reading the dailybeast article as a sign to make my own miracles happen.

  516. sweetredhead says:

    I don’t want a SD to feel he HAS to buy me gifts. To me a gift is saying your special, or I appreciate you.

    The allowance sort of sets the contract of the relationship (well not contract but I hope you know what i mean)

    I am interested to see what an SD’s views are on this.

  517. SweetEuropean says:

    I don’t think SD’s should be used as “meal tickets”, I hink that if I was struggling with my bills or with next months rent then it would be nice of an SD to offer to pay them as a GIFT, because as much as I enjoy being spoiled, sometimes it just isn’t enough to make ends meet! I wouldn’t however expect an SD to pay all my bills/rent because I think SB’s should be independant and not use SD’s as a source of income. I’m not against that type ofarrangement though! Just not what i’m looking for :)

  518. sweetredhead says:

    I personally don’t need a SD to pay my bills. I do that on my own. I think I prefer a monthly “allowance” Because I feel it sets the boundaries of the relationship. Is that set in stone…no. I will compromise on that issue.

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