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Managing Relationship Expectations
  • Posted Jun 21, 2016

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As humans we walk through life full of expectations. When entering into a new relationship those involved will each bring their own expectations to the table. There is nothing wrong with having expectations, but problems often occur when these expectations go unmentioned. Additionally, unreasonable expectations can often be the downfall of an otherwise good relationship.

Learning how to manage your expectations is an important part of maintaining a healthy relationship. The following are some things to keep in mind as you navigate through your Sugar relationship.

Communication

Be sure to tell your partner what your expectations and needs are upfront. Make sure you are honest about your deal breakers, but be reasonable. Remember, nobody is perfect (not even you). It’s also important to listen when your Sugar Baby expresses her expectations; the more in-tune you are with each other the more successful your arrangement will be.

Compromise

There should always be room for compromise in any healthy relationship. You shouldn’t expect your Sugar Baby to change everything about herself in order to suit your needs and you shouldn’t be expected to do so either. Your Sugar Baby probably isn’t as experienced with interpersonal communication as you are so take these opportunities to teach her how to effectively work through conflict. Work on accepting each other’s differences, you might even grow to appreciate those things.

Honesty

Mutually beneficial relationships are supposed to be just that–beneficial to all parties involved. If the relationship is no longer enhancing your life then it’s time to speak up. If your needs are no longer being met or if the arrangement is no longer fun, be honest. Sometimes there is an easy way to fix the situation, other times it’s just time to move on.

Respect

There should be a level of mutual respect between a Sugar Daddy and a Sugar Baby. Both members of the relationship should feel comfortable with expressing their likes and dislikes. At the end of the day most people just want to feel like their voice is heard.

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276 Responses to “Managing Relationship Expectations”

  1. Bob says:

    Expectations.. and signals. Definitely confused. Met a young woman on SA, and we communicated by message on the site and met for a beer. Everything seemed to be going great. We then exchanged numbers, (I was using an app number on my phone), and continued to talk. She suddenly quit her job and sent me a text asking to enter into an arrangement, where she offered to help me “relieve my stress”. She told me her rough allowance guidelines, which were no problem, and we set up another date. She requested that it be at a hotel and as an overnite. The day of the date, she sent me a message on SA basically saying goodbye because she found out I was using an app number. I hastily called her and “talked her down off the cliff” somehow, gave her my actual main cell number, and the date proceeded. ( I frankly still dont get why me using an app number was such a deal breaker for her. Our plans were, for our second date on, have her come to my home. That’s about as revealing as you get, so I dont get how she got so upset when she found I was using an app number… )

    Had a great time with her. I could really see myself falling for her, and it seemed there was at least SOME reciprocal attraction. We went through the nite and just laid next to each other talking. although I really enjoyed spending time with her, I frankly was disappointed, i had thought that ‘relieve your stress” and “stay at a hotel” were code words for at least some sort of intimate activity. In the morning, when I asked her about it, she seemed to be irritated, and we talked for a while about it. She indicated that physical intimacy could be in the future (even mentioned exchanging clean STI reports before starting a physical relationship, which is pretty noble and mature approach, to be congratulated on taking that approach), but obviously there was to be none that date. I still paid the agreed allowance, but was frankly confused and frustrated. I kept thinking that I was being played. (got that from my dad, he always thought someone was trying to put something over on him.). I sent her a text ending the arrangement. however, I couldnt stop thinking about her (i really was attracted to this girl, both physically, and mentally, even her soul, if that makes sense). So I sent a text the next day recanting my ending of the arrangement. She took some to respond, but finally in no uncertain terms let me know this was all over, and chastised me for thinking there would be any sexual activity on the overnite.

    I’m quite sad, but recognize I basically screwed this up. The fact that an allowance was being paid complicates it, at least in my mind. If from the very beginning, she had said, “yes, i will relieve your stress, and yes, we can begin physical intimacy, but there are some ground rules. First, definitely not on the first date, even tho its an overnite and even tho I requested you get a hotel room, that doesnt mean I will engage in any sexual activity or even kiss you with an open mouth. After we have spent some time together, and fondness for each other grows, we definitely can get to that stage of intimacy, but first we would need to exchange clean STI reports, then be honest with each other if we engage in sexual activities outside of the arrangement.” If she had come to me with that in the beginning, I was so interested and attracted to her I probably would have gone along with it. As it is, I couldn’t help think I was being played and that physical intimacy was a carrot that would keep being just out of my reach. After all, if you polled 100 guys, I guarantee you that 100 out of 100 guys would expect some sexual intimacy on the first nite if the girl asked for a hotel for an overnite stay and made innuendos about relieving the guys stress. As it is, with the confusing communication in advance, combined with my poor judgment, this relationship/arrangement is now irretrievably broken, and I missed out on being with a girl that I really really could have fallen for, and she missed out, at a minimum, on having a regular allowance and a guy should could spend time with which hopefully would be enjoyable to her.

    I actually thought using phrases like “get a hotel room and spend the nite” and “relieve your stress :-)” was as specific as one had to get regarding ones expectations and what was to transpire. I now have no idea how to navigate those topics, short of describing specific acts, which seems uncouth and unseeming. Id take it all back and do it differently with this SB, but ce la vie.

  2. M. says:

    I’ve met a POT and he is very interested in me and has made it clear. He is also fairly needy and seems pretty lonely (he is married but has had no appreciation or intimacy in his marriage for a long time).
    He emails me a lot and wants to pursue things. We have talked a little bit about the money arrangement but I don’t really know how to advance from here.

    I know I should be direct, but I don’t know how to approach it.. At this point the emails are benificial only to him and I’m getting nothing back from it. And I know we will eventually see each other again..

    Advice?

  3. Very nice post. Today when so many relationships are breaking, this post is a try worth getting appreciation.

  4. -X- says:

    I want a sugar baby to live with me and/or visit 2 to 4 times per week. She should be thin, big chested, cook, and give massages. Don’t sugar coat it, what’s this going to cost, per month?

  5. Naive or not says:

    I am new..I have been on SA for 3 weeks I wish I had found this sooner anyway, I met a Pot SD for a date I thought we would meet and discuss the arrangement, he was evasive but charming we met in a beautiful restaurant in a very expensive hotel after a we had our meal and a few drinks.. I told him it was time for me to go home he said he would walk me out but he had to get something in his room first I was a bit surprised that he had a room there since he lives in the same city. Anyway we get to the room had a few drink and one thing led to another… it wasn’t bad I don’t feel bad about it he gave me money for my transport when I said I had to go. Now my problem is he wants it to continue this way! He is being evasive about allowance and basically just wants to take me out and have sex I have been avoiding him.. Now should I just tel him why? I am not all about the money but I have bills to pay…that was my incentive to join

    • thisisthelife says:

      Personally I think a 40+ guy has a responsibility when dating a 20 year old, which is be considerate and don’t try to take advantage of her.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        Id say something like, “I really enjoyed our time together, and Im looking forward to seeing you again. Is there a time that would be good to meet and discuss our arrangement?”

        If he’s not receptive, then you should probably move on.

    • Anonymous says:

      You don’t have to tell him why…he knows.

      Why do you think he was being evasive about the topic at dinner? The fake SDs here call it “pump and dump”. It’s an intentional scam/rape, depends. That’s why we warned SBs to get benefit up front to avoid these losers.

      And they wonder why there are so many scammer SBs.

  6. Anonymous says:

    I noticed the following. We are told to message SBs, we are interested in, by preparing a thoughtful personalized message mentioning aspects of their profile because it is an indication that we read, understood, and maybe see some compatibility there with the SB likes. So, there I go, prepare several thoughtful (3 and 4 paragraphs) messages, introducing myself, and what I liked about their profiles, and what I am seeking. Oh, and I have my profile at Minimum because that is what I can do.
    Out of several dozen messages over a period of six months+, I receive a small response as well, rejections.
    Then I take out my profile for some weeks. Get back in it, and the only change I make is from Minimum to Practical. I do not message anyone, and I began to get immediate interesting messages, which include phone numbers and emails (really??). So, the SBs seem to be only and exclusively interested in the allowance money, the higher the bigger interest, period. Know that before entering the sugarbowl with the “wrong” expectations of finding love, connection, and butterflies in the stomach.

    • Baby says:

      Omg!! Guys wake up, the name of the site should give you a good indication of the women you will meet . Not librarian but women he are not afraid to ask for what they want, and with a high sense of adventure . Looking for love, it won’t find you .. Look for adventure and everything will find you .

  7. saludos a todos,mi opinión con mucho respeto soy una mujer de 49 años entre en este lugar para vivir nuevas experiencias mi vida de esposa y madre me dejo años de cansancio solo deseo vivir una experiencia no deseo me traten de una forma vulgar también quede en una muy mala condición económica pero nada como dice un caballero más abajo si quiere porno entra a un sitio porno si quiere otra cosa pues paga y la consigue creo que esta es una nueva experiencia y solo debemos verlo con respeto y de una diferente forma de vivir la vida NAMASTE!

  8. Nicky says:

    Where are the real serious daddies? I am totally confused. There are tons of unattractive, less than worthy women who are high budget prostitutes who are getting replies more than the determined, ambitious, young college girls who have goals and only want one daddy long term. The SB/SD situations have changed.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Does lifestyle budget mean what the SD is willing to offer the SB?

  10. Anonymous says:

    So I have a question because I might be missing something. There are a lot of girls that do only online relationships and also say the want a non-sexual arrangement. Are there guys out there that actually do this? There must be a demand for it because I am seeing more and more of it. What am I missing.? I am a busy executive and just can’t fathom what an online relationship can do for a man who is paying moderate to high expectations. If you want pictures just go to google and type in porn!! Take that money go buy a Ferrari or Lambo, go to a lounge or club and go get laid.!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      I would agree, I can’t believe there is a market for non sexual arrangements. I laugh when I see those post, and assume its a naive young lady just hoping. I’m super direct and even outline the exact type of sex I expect, and the money they will earn. If the sex isn’t up to my expectations the arrangement ends, and I move on.

      • Rodney says:

        I’m seeing this more and more. I have to be honest here. I’m a 40 year old successful guy. I have an active busy social life with plenty of friends. My question is, why on earth would I want a 20 year old platonic pal? Do these 20 somethings really not get the “arrangement part?”
        I’d never want a girl to feel used, and therefore always go the extra mile with my SB’s in terms of taking care of their every want and need. What am I supposed to say when I constantly get messages from SB’s that want no intamicy? Yeah, you don’t want to feel used, but you can completely use me? Uh..no thanks.

  11. Hmm says:

    Hey guys. I need some advice. Me and my SD are both new to this type of thing. I travel a lot for an educational purpose. my SD and I live in different coutries. We’ve talked to each other thru a msgner for and immediately clicked and finally met each other in the country I’m in currently. I know he is rich for a fact. The richest guy I’ve ever come across from the
    website. (Figured this out by reading his bio from the firms website that he is partnered with) spent a WONDERFUL couple of days at a 5 star hotel, expensive restaurants, bars etc. and I gotta mention this too it seems like we both developed feelings for each other. But here are some catches. He is a married man with kids, and when we went for a quick shopping before he had to catch his flight in an hr, i picked this pair of shoes which cost over 1k after I bought several other things (not that
    expensive) he was really hesitant asking if it’s really worth it and stuff and he ended up promising me he will buy me next time. This left me confused so many ways, but I’m trying to understand the situation as its because it’s our first arrangement.. I’m educated pretty intelligent classy got a nice body and I speak two languages and currently am attending a language school in this country to learn the
    3rd foreign language. Every where I Cant help but stare at me (and I didn’t meant to brag) and he seemed quiet proud about it when we were together. I just can’t believe he couldn’t spend
    1k for buying me a pair of shoes. As much as I like him money is very important for me too. im worried that he would spend less money on me than he could/is supposed to and ESPECIALLY because he has kids who are he’s first priority that he is responsible to spend much money on. What do you guys think? Should I be straightforward and ask him how much he is willing to spend beside expenses? How do you guys think of this situation in general? Any opinion is appreciated!

    • Hmm says:

      Every where I go ppl can’t help but stare at me ****** excuse some of these typos… I know there are many others but had to fix this one because it sounds like I stare at myself. Lol

      • Anonymous says:

        This is what some of you sugar babies don’t get, because a man has money does not mean he just wastes it foolishly. Especially when he worked his tail off for it.
        Also if he just blows it all on crazy stuff, he won’t have any left and then you (yes the same you) won’t want anything to do with him. You won’t understand because you have not worked to earn it.

      • rarity says:

        Yeah I had a similar situation with my current SD. When we started he would buy me nice things, 5 stars hotels, nice meals, and 1k per meet, he was the best SD I’ve ever had, time passed feelings grew and he said he loved me I was so happy I told him I loved him too, but I noticed he started getting cheaper as time passed he even tried to renegociate my allowance… he still say he loves me and that he never wants to loose me, and I feel the same way, but this is not what I singed up for and I know for a fact he money is not tight.
        Could it be that we’re not he’s new thing?
        And for the person trying to make us feel like we’re unconsidered….. Yeah maybe we are….. But I think I speak for every girl on SA ain’t no shame in our game.

      • rarity says:

        Yeah I had a similar situation with my current SD. When we started he would buy me nice things, 5 stars hotels, nice meals, and 1k per meet, he was the best SD I’ve ever had, time passed feelings grew and he said he loved me I was so happy I told him I loved him too, but I noticed he started getting cheaper as time passed he even tried to renegociate my allowance… he still say he loves me and that he never wants to loose me, and I feel the same way, but this is not what I singed up for and I know for a fact he money is not tight.
        Could it be that we’re not he’s new thing?
        And for the person trying to make us feel like we’re unconsidered….. Yeah maybe we are….. But I think I speak for every girl on SA ain’t no shame in our game.

  12. Frank says:

    Just like some advice from the crowd. Read thru most of the posts and very interesting. Is there an upper limit for age for SD’s? At what point does someone stop becoming a mature man with life experience and start becoming “ew, he’s old enough to be my father or even grandfather”. I know the money involved makes some difference but what so the SB’s think about age in this situation.

    • SB says:

      Can’t speak for the other SBs but I like older men. They’re more mature, better conversationalists, more experienced, and higher allowances.

    • Hmm says:

      I’m in my early 20 and I can see myself dealing with men who are down to 65.

    • naamm says:

      Speaking only for myself, as a 20yo I feel most comfortable at 45 or below. I work with the elderly population and it just makes me feel uncomfortable to date someone three times my age, or the age of people I work with.

    • Anonymous says:

      i love older men some sb’s are on here for money some for older men and some for both. i came here because i really wanted an older guy but not one who is living in a trailer. ill do any age u just gotta smell good lol

    • Anonymous SB says:

      I’m a 21 year old sugar baby and I really can’t do anyone over 45. I’m on the website for the monetary benefit, not because I like sex with old men. I have tolerated older men because the money is good but I would never even look at guy over 35 twice if money wasn’t involved

  13. Candydam says:

    What I don’t understand is how guys that claim they make more than $1 million of income, but $500 a meet, 4x a month is too much for them? Either you’re lying about the amount of money you make or you’re just extremely cheap. If you’re not willing to invest money into someone on here then you might as well find a cheap hooker on the street and risk getting an STD. You get what you pay for.

    • Anonymous says:

      It is because you have yet to understand value of a dollar. Your expectation is $2k per month.. Why > Because you are THAT pretty ? Nope. Invest money ? Sweet girl, youo and the hookers you refer to are not that different. Only the price / level of cost. And I don’t think the SD’s would be getting what they paid for at your level. No disrespect meant here, but perhaps a reality check. Just because a Daddy has the cash doesn’t mean he finds sensible value with you. You are on here to take money, To get paid for your time, etc. Please do not think men don’t expect nothing in return. You will be expected to satisfy him sexually. And because you are female does not mean you know how ( perhaps excepting the basics ) to really fulfill him sexually. Having an orgasm doesn’t make it the ‘ want to return ‘ for another type of affair. Aain, respectfully being transparent without intention of being rude.

      • Anonymous says:

        Your obviously never had a real connection with any SB. There is a difference between a hooker and SB. If they are the same then why don’t you get a hooker? They are cheaper for sure. Yes, both a hooker and a SB has sex for money. But in a SB/SD relationship and if your doing it right there suppose to be a connection. Your suppose to have a really good time. Laughing, having good conversations and of course great sex. Now I know you think that 2,000 is too much. But in the SB world if you aren’t getting at least 2,000, it is not worth it. It sex… the SB is giving you her body. A part of herself. For a lot of SB they don’t want to have sex but they need the money.

      • Anonymous SB says:

        With all due respect, if I’m not getting at least $2k per month then I’m out. A good portion of us are on here because we actually need the money to the point that we’re literally selling our bodies. If you want a cheap, crackhead hooker then by all means, go ahead. Conversely, if you want a smart, pretty college student without STDs and can hold a conversation, you’re gonna have to fork over a little more. I’m not saying that all men are required to pay that much, but I hold myself at a higher standard and know my worth

  14. Anonymous says:

    I am a new SD here. I would want to know what is the average allowance for an SB in Atlanta. I completely understand it depends on the SB but I would want to know an amount so I can discuss when having meet ups. I met a couple of SB’s and there demands doesnt seem reasonable for me. I am ready to offer close to practical range if I can trust the SB but I did found some flaky ones . So anyone letting me know how much is the average allowance per meet in atlanta or any suggestions would be great

  15. rarity says:

    ugh sorry for the double statements it’s not the easiest to write on this little box :)

  16. rarity says:

    I honestly don’t understand men who clearly read your profile and see your lifestyle expectation, but they ask you on dates anyway,honestly I see going on a Date as a time investment and what really gets me is when they want renegotiate by a rediculous amount, In my case my lifestyle is moderate($5000 a month) sometimes I get asked if I can do $2000 or even $1000 a month. No! I can’t! and I don’t want to! Thats why specified and didn’t choose negotiable, why must they waste our time? I could be spending time with my daughter, doing yoga,studying…. You get the point.
    A lot of guys state on their profiles that talking about money over email make them uncomfortable and it’s not classy, lately I don’t have a filter and I ask but i noticed that the minute I mention allowance they stop responding, Honestly for me whats not classy is wasting peoples time. don’t get me wrong I don’t mind going on a dates and accepting that there was just no chemistry I’m a big girl and I understand that if it’s not there it’s not there…

    • immortal walker says:

      I have had about three of four POT SB here on SA, who have actually contacted me first. Their expectations where similar to yours on “high”, and I was surprised to even receive an inbox from these women. I know, and understand what you say, why, if I can only afford $1000 per month, will I even ask a SB who is asking $5000 for a date correct? It just does not make sense, and it is a waste of time for the asking, and perhaps even for you, if you take the time to politely reply to decline. However, when I have replied, thank you for your interest, but your expectation is not something I can afford, etc., they have told me they have their expectations set that way to “filter out weirdos and time wasters”, and in reality, they are looking for someone real and normal who could offer an allowance they can accept, and is reasonable, with they (SB) deciding what would reasonable be, which, according to them, will vary from SD to SD. Imagine that. I guess that is why some SDs will still dare to ask you out for a date.

      • SDlight says:

        I am new here, and I have my expectation set at negotiable. I have women from all over the spectrum contact me. What is funny is that I recently was talking with a moderate SB and asked her why she chose that level, her response was, that is what I make. She thought, or at least told me, that her income was supposed to go there, not what she was hoping for some SD to give her. Right after that she changed it to negotiable.
        I am straight up honest with the women I meet here. I let them know I am not rich, but doing well. I only make $120k a year and put that into my profile. I have not had any problem with meeting anyone yet. I am a younger guy (38) so that also could be something that makes them more considerate towards me.

  17. sierra says:

    I dont know what is going on on the site since I found my last daddy, I notice a whole lot of guys who want a FWB / NSA relationship but then they dont want to wear condoms as if they are my boyfriend or I am their wife something. Also alot of profiles say that they arent looking for escorts – but a whole bunch of men are messaging me with asking do I wnat to come over for 200? what has happened to the site over the past year? what did I miss

    • Randi says:

      My opinion? Sugaring has become mainstream, and now many guys want the opportunity to “rent a hot young girlfriend”, despite relatively average incomes.
      There are a couple forums online that I have seen, where men who have sugar daddy profiles are comparing sugar babies by user name/website.
      Even worse, they are coaching one another to offer SBs $150-$200 a meet, and “only if she puts out”.
      It’s kind of nauseating.

  18. Anonymous says:

    this time around since my last SD/SB relationship has ended i find these men to be a bit crazy! I dont understand how you can expect a NSA / FWB arrangement but you dont want to wear a condom… something you do with your BF or someone you’ve committed to. I also notice a whole lot of profiles saying that they dont want escorts… but I am frequently getting messages from guys who want to hook up for $200???? what the hell

    • anonymous says:

      THIS!!! I definitely can relate. I met up with this guy for the first time and we went to dinner. It was the initial meet and he expected me to take a shower with him and hook up with him for $200….. I was so confused along with it being very awkward since I wasn’t down to do that with him at all. How do you deal with the men that present things to you like that??

    • Anonymous says:

      You are trying to find logic, and common sense in relationships that do not tend to adhere to that. That is why you find it so puzzling. You are finding an error in simple logic, that is great. As an error to the way you think (logic), then simply reject the message. If this is a deal breaker for you, then restate what you offer clearly (NSA/FWD with protection always,non-exclusive, monthly allowance) and should the POT SD find it they cannot commit to that, perhaps another will, you just have to continue in your search and wait.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Seeking972 fake also on other dating sites with same pictures but different tale and name. He is already on PIGBUSTERS.

  20. Anonymous says:

    Member ” Seeking972 ” is on every dating site with a different name, story and state with this picture. He has been busted by all the scammer websites. The picture he is using belongs to someone else. I did a google image search and this exact picture pops up under many different names. He rambles on at length about his childhood and dead parents or wife. He pretends to be from Germany with broken English. In each of his stories his profession is related to engineering. Looks like he also set up a fake Linkdn, but dumb enough to use some of the names affiliated with this company with this same picture. Christopher Fox, Graham Wellington, Michael Donald, Pedro Harrison, Powell Dosier………….He also set up a fake construction company for when he gets googled.

    Verified Location: South Africa on http://yourittoday.com/scammer.php?scammerid=1003997

  21. Anonymous says:

    Someone please clarify how an income of $500K can generate a net worth of $50-100M.

    • NC_HUSTLER says:

      They can have a trust fund, or they may have shorted the market in 2008, the list goes on! But whoever here claims that they have a net worth of 100M are fucking lying. Dan Bilzerian has a net worth of 100M and he flies his own jet around the world and fucks bitches on the ground, in the pool and in the air …

      • Anonymous says:

        Every third SD in California is claiming hundred millionaire status. Some of the cities they live in you would never. BTW…get a better shower curtain for your selfie backdrop! Maybe just a better house that doesn’t require shower curtains for your fiberglass shower. Really…whom are we kidding??

      • Advice Sought says:

        Gentleman, what should a 40 year old do to find a man 50+ interested in her for such an arrangement? She is 5’8″, 140, blond, blue eyes, no baggage at all, fun, and isn’t doing this for the money as much as for the excitement. Are there any men on this site looking for mature females, are there other websites or avenues you would suggest? What is the key?

      • Anonymous says:

        The key is to offer fun time inside as well as outside the bedroom. The ratio of inside to outside fun time will vary from SD to SD.

    • Datofella says:

      why bother asking something like that? You are bordering on believing it?

    • Datofella says:

      anyone with even 5 million dollars is not going to be on this site

      • Anonymous says:

        I have that and i’m the site…

      • Anonymous says:

        If I had even 1 million then I would have non-stop line of young coeds. I do fairly well with with whatever I have.

        You gotta like playing the field.

      • Anonymous says:

        Money is not be all and end all. You need confidence, charm, youth and money to pick-up women. You compensate what you don’t have with what you do have.

    • Anonymous says:

      u can’t and a net worth of 100m would generate u a average return of 5mil a year just sitting there been invested in funds

  22. Anonymous says:

    As I read profiles, in the West Coast, I keep wondering. Who is feeding these SB’s, who are here on SA, misinformation? Let me explain. Some of these SB say they are looking for platonic only relationships, or online ones. No sex. While there are some of those SD’s who might want that, it is not the majority. So, misguided SB’s, who is telling them that exist and enough for everyone?

    • NC_HUSTLER says:

      Their friends who MAY have had a platonic arrangement before. If a SB tells me that her previous arrangement involved just hanging out, or going out to dinners, or “clubbing” (yes, I have heard that one before) regardless whether they are telling the truth, I usually bypass them.

      Also, if you see same profiles on WhatIsYourPrice . com , usually they are after money and have zero intention to be sexual. They just heard that they can get 100-200-300 dollars just for going out on dates, so if a man pays them that, why would they want to do more?

      Remember, both SB and SD want something comparable OR better than their previous arrangement, so for a SD, you better hope that a SB you talking to was in a p4p arrangement that got paid 150-200 per meet.

      If someone had an arrangement where she was getting 3-5K a month, good luck with those! 😉

    • NC_HUSTLER_2 says:

      Their friends who MAY have had a platonic arrangement before. If a SB tells me that her previous arrangement involved just hanging out, or going out to dinners, or “clubbing” (yes, I have heard that one before) regardless whether they are telling the truth, I usually bypass them.

      Also, if you see same profiles on WhatIsYourPrice . com , usually they are after money and have zero intention to be sexual. They just heard that they can get 100-200-300 dollars just for going out on dates, so if a man pays them that, why would they want to do more?

      Remember, both SB and SD want something comparable OR better than their previous arrangement, so for a SD, you better hope that a SB you talking to was in a p4p arrangement that got paid 150-200 per meet.

      If someone had an arrangement where she was getting 3-5K a month, good luck with those! 😉

  23. Shermine says:

    Hey Everybody !

    Is any SD here who likes Transexual ?

  24. alexis says:

    I’ve been a sugar baby for the past 3 months, and I haven’t told anyone about it, not even close friends. I just tell people I’m a babysitter, it explains the cash payments and sporadic hours. However lately my mother has been asking to see pictures of the kid I supposedly babysit, and I lie and tell her he’s sleeping or I ignore her message for 24 hours then say I was busy and didn’t get the chance. There’s also the issues of what to put on resumes, if I keep this up I’m going to have a giant gap on my resume and I’m afraid future employers will ask questions. Not to mention every time I see family they LOVE to ask about work (I’m a recent college graduate so everyone is interested in what I’m going to do with my life). I’m dodging questions left and right about work and sooner or later I think people will catch on to the fact that I’m lying. My question to other SB’s is: what is your “cover” job and how do you make it sound believable? What do you put, if anything, on resumes? Please help a sista out! Thank you!

    P.S. Also, for clarification I LOVE being a sugar baby but for obvious reasons, can’t tell the whole world about it.

    • Rick says:

      I recommend you tell them you’re the “Personal Assistant” to your SD. You help around his house (cleaning, laundry, shopping for groceries),and help with personal office work (pay bills, balance accounts).

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        not a good idea because most people know that’s code for sleeping with him and being paid for it…….they won’t call it out so nicely though. Personal assistants usually get pay checks and file taxes.

      • Rick says:

        Yeah, good point. What would you suggest, how about Housekeeper, or House cleaner? Most of those don’t get paychecks or file taxes. And no one is going to ask for pictures of the vacuum cleaner.

      • .yougottabekiddingme says:

        “most people know that’s code for sleeping with him and being paid for it”

        true.

        Housecleaning might do. As will, perhaps, tutoring?

        Probably best to actually have a job. One-some day(s) a week at a cafe or restaurant even.

        Or sign up to sell Mary Kay or Amway…they hold their cult meetings at odd hours in various locations. Tell her you’re working toward acquiring your dream condo with an attached garage to park your pink Cadillac.

        You could also show her an internet-acquired screenshot and cropped picture of a kid vacuuming with one of those old school ball-popper vacuums, and photoshop your face photobombed in the background.

        That should cover you plenty.

        Could be, though, your mom is already on to you.

        All twerk, no play = no bueno.

    • Datofella says:

      Personal Trainer like everyone else says

    • Anonymous says:

      I say that I am a bartender at a private country club. Your friends/family can’t visit you at work, because they aren’t members. At a private club, you would be rubbing elbows with people that will have access to luxury vacations, best tickets at sporting events/concerts, etc, so you can use the generosity of your “customers” to explain your new lifestyle. My family is supportive of the idea of that job, because I’m connected to influential people who may be able to get me a “real” job. While bartenders get a very small wage, the majority of income would come from cash tips. *Note: not all clubs allow tipping, so make sure you pick your employer accordingly.

      As far as my resume is concerned, I use a skills based resume v. a chronological resume (so there isn’t as much focus on dates and employment gaps).

  25. Sweet N Pretty says:

    Are there any SD’s on this site that like black women??

  26. Anonymous says:

    Newbies
    Is like many things in the bowl, double-edged sword. These could be the best SBs. But to find one that is serious about it takes awhile.

  27. sd with open eyes says:

    I think that some of the Sugar Babies on this site are prejudiced against Sugar Daddies who are older, not handsome, sexually active, and not billionaires. (lol)

  28. danielle says:

    any SD that’s down with the swirl and is intrigued by an exotic busty black women my SN is cocoa browne :)

  29. Anonymus (25yo) says:

    I’m at that phase when I’m realizing that it’s hard to be a sugar baby.:( I joined this website about 3 weeks ago, talked to several man, and this week I met my first potential SD. He is someone I was really interested in. We had a stimulating conversation, I was attracted to his mind and I found him intriguing. He was very sexually attracted to me, kept on caressing, kissing me and holding my hands, etc. His personality and the attention he payed to me really aroused me. I didn’t want to have sex with him though, because I thought that would be too early. However, he told me before our date that he is traveling to an other country( I prefer not to say where) the day after, for a month, and he spends half of his time there in a year. So I thought if we won’t have sex now, we will not do it for at least a month. We were having dinner in the restaurant of a 5* hotel and we had many drinks after, and he was proposing to get a room there. He was really trying to persuade me and I finally agreed, after agreeing that he should, however, give me a certain amount of $$, whatever, he thinks is appropriate. I needed money, and It somehow also made me feel like even if he leaves, at least I will have the financial benefits of this encounter. We had a really hot night together and he gave $1000 in an envelop for me. The story continues because the next day he asked to see me shortly, before his travel. So I went to meet him, however, I wasn’t feeling comfortable because despite me expressing that I don’t want to get too sexual in public, he kept on touching me and demanded that I kiss and touch him too. I do understand that he is a very passionate man, but in this situation, I felt like he lost his respect for me, and he just wanted to use my body. I sent him a text after he left, explaining how I felt and shortly after he called me and apologized for his behavior and said it was probably because we had sex too early and at the same time he is really attracted to me. Since then few days passed, and he is in that other country, but I barely hear from him. He messages only shortly, at odd times, and I see him being on the ” chatting app” without saying anything. I feel kind of hurt, because he doesn’t give me much attention anymore, and after the intensity of that night we spent together, I expected more. I’m a beautiful and sensitive girl, and he is in his mid-forties. (I must add, I never had sex with someone from his age group before…) What do you think what does he want?Is this behavior normal? This is how it is to be a SB? Could someone please advise me? How should I handle this situation? I don’t want to feel like I miss him, but I do…

    • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

      I think you need to mature a little…..understand the business you are in…and realize you got payed for your time…he now owes you nothing and is free to move on to the next one if he chooses. This is the life you chose……you sort of have to deal with it and not cause drama…..You have a bit of growing to do.
      If you don’t want to be used in that manner….don’t accept cash for intimacy

      • Anonymus (25yo) says:

        I caused no drama to anyone. I’m just trying to figure out how do you deal with this emotionally. Also, I don’t think it’s about growing up. It’s about being objective and getting your feelings out of the way. That’s more about being in control or we could call it being like a “machine”. Anyway, thanks for the answer. I agree with the “understand the business you are in” part. It is a business, that’s what I need to clarify in my head.

      • Calli Dan says:

        I agree with MPR. I think you need to get yourself into a better place psychologically before you start this sort of thing. It can be hard on a person.

    • chris says:

      You asked for money and got paid. Where’s the problem? My most successful arrangement was with a woman who didn’t charge me everytime I spent time or slept with her. I really appreciated that and ended up supporting her financially more than I would have someone who was always counting the minutes. Also, and this is key, she didn’t really depend on the money. It was just a bonus that enhanced her lifestyle. In my experience, women who do this out of financial pressure usually burn out pretty quickly. Right now I’m rotating between 3-4 woman who always want to be compensated for their time. That’s okay with me for the time being as they’re very hot and I get a nice variety of sex. But the goal is to find someone for an exclusive arrangement who isn’t clocking me every time I see her.

      • chris says:

        Sorry for all the typos…

      • immortal walker says:

        I think that is a great arrangement when you get a SB who is not solely focused on the money, and it is an exclusive one not worried on the clock. The basis been the relationship, and the allowance, present, but not depend on that for everyday expenses.
        Finding that one is a bit tricky and requires patience. I had one, like you, and has been difficult to find her replacement.

      • Anonymous says:

        Thank you Chris and Immortal Walker for the brevity of admittance to a common truth more often than not; As long as you acknowledge what you seek appears to be the iconic unicorn that others mock is gest.

        It’s pure gain on another SD’s part to gloat in your absence of perfection. Patience…sex is sex. It feels good to an erotic euphonium to blow away with the wind called fleeting.

        Find passion and sincerity with your euphorism and you have an epic interlude on repeat with crescendos on Octives and the rest is history.

        Ttfn

    • immortal walker says:

      I think you dived in too fast too deep. I believe you need to be more careful next time. However, you did not leave empty handed. Your time was handsomely compensated ($1000) for that night. I think you have evaluate what happened, for 1)when and if he comes back and wants to continue, 2)be mindful of the displays of passion he is expecting and know whether or not that is something you want to provide. If the stars do not align in a way in which you feel it is correct, then just take it as a learning experience, and move on, there will be more opportunities in this road you have taken.

    • JumanJee says:

      I’d beg to differ with Phoenix and Calli in this regard. From a SD POV, I can tell that your complaining just turned him off and put him in a defensive mode now. As you mentioned he was really into and all over you from the moment you two met and had a great night together. But once you sent him that complaining note, you destroyed all good will and feelings from his side. You could’ve instead tried to have a proper conversation with him and convey your concerns in a rather subtle and friendly manner. Yet, he was still gracious enough to actually call you back right away, tried to explain his side of the story and apologized to you as well, a great gentlemanly gesture. It is your loss not his. You’ve a lot of learning to do as you go along this route.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        How has anyone summed up more than the need to mature….everything everyone has said has summed up to sometimes……waiting until one mentally matures is best. I put no age on that but I assure you, one cannot go into being placed in a rotation lightly because that is just the nature of what it is and it requires a mature state of mind however any of you choose to sum it up. I’m just blunt. People can and will interpret mature however they want but a rose is still a rose.

    • Hmm says:

      These men are looking for sex. Ill give you a tip. Be as classy as you can be but show your kinky and exciting side. And your partner is somewhat into you? That’s even perfect.

  30. Paris says:

    I feel the men you guys have on your site are prejudice

    • Prejudice in which way?

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re goddamn right. We like slim, tallish blondes 19-25.

      If you’re different then you’d better bring your A game. 😉

      • Zoe says:

        That was a really unimaginative, narrow description of a woman. Oh and “if you’re different then you’d better bring your A game”? I don’t think so. Being different to that tiny description in no way predisposes a woman to wish to fit that description. Speaking as an hourglass, tall 30yr brunette who values her intelligence more than her hair colour or age.

    • sd with open eyes says:

      The sugar daddies on this site are often prejudiced against sugar babies who do not use proper grammar or spelling.

    • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

      A person parting with their cash has the right to see who they want……they do not HAVE to see you just because you make yourself available.

    • Calli Dan says:

      Not prejudice due to the color of your skin.. but definitely have prejudice. I’ll take a sweet, articulate black girl over a white neck-tattoo any day.

      • Anonymous says:

        that’s not prejudice, don’t even play that card here, everyone has there own personal taste, the guy is not racist or prejudice just because he isn’t into black girls, I like petite asian girls and used to love blonds when i was younger, how the hell does that make me prejudice, i just know what i’m attracted to. Just like how some girls love tall guys.

    • Anonomomomom says:

      They very much are.

      • Datofella says:

        I prefer genuine blonds or lt brown hair and fair skin for an intimate partner so blacks are not on my list but I cant help that. We can be friends but not intimate and yes i have been with a black woman or two but not lately.

  31. Anonymous says:

    I’m super new to this world. (less than 1 week) I am struggling to find a sugar daddy! I would like to think that I am above average in looks and I am very accomplished both academically and intellectually. I believe I am a bit older in terms of SB (26) however I look much young than I am. I prefer ethnic men, AA or mixed race, but I am open to any whom I can be myself with and enjoy a good time. HELP! anyone want to take a look at my profile and give me so honest feed back???
    ConversationLush-Detroit MI

    • Anonymous says:

      You look much older than your stated age.

      Non-white women struggle on this site.

      It is what it is.

    • sd with open eyes says:

      Are there that many rich folks in Detroit?

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        Detroit has an abundance of wealthy suburbs and suburbs where people are well off…….Detroit is also a very racist city…..it is to be expected……But it is also reasonable to understand that just because you have a need…..that men don’t have to fill it.
        This is life….and being a sugar baby is not as easy as people think…..it’s not a quick hustle…..

      • Dazed-SD says:

        Detroit has plenty of wealthy people due to the auto industry MPR is right. However, yes it has it’s bad parts, but not quite as bad as it used to be.

    • sd with open eyes says:

      Looking at your profile again one thing stands out to me: you talk a lot about how great you are and what you are specifically looking for but there is no mention of what you can do for a sugar daddy.

      • ConnversationLush says:

        Okay, I didn’t realize that it read that way. So, should I remove some information about myself? I am very open to what a SD may want in terms of a partner. I didn’t want to limit myself by define a few thing that I would think a SD might want, instead of letting a SD tell me exactly what he wants. What can I do to improve?

      • sd with open eyes says:

        I would edit down a lot of what you wrote about yourself.

        I would also add: “I am very open to what a Sugar Daddy may want in terms of a partner. I would like to let a Sugar Daddy tell me exactly what he wants.” 😉

  32. I am fairly new to this world, only about 4 months and am also somewhat young compared to most SD- 27 years old. In that short time I have found two POT SB. One is local to me and the other is a bit long distance. I have met both in person and the connection was mutual, but I am not the type to expect a physical relationship right from the start, so I have not been intimate with either one. I am better than average looking, well dressed, well spoken, easy going and have been very generous to this point. I expressed my expectations very clearly in the beginning to avoid any confusion but both young ladies seem to be forgetting that the relationship is expected to be mutually beneficial. How should I proceed and approach the situation from here and should I do anything different with my next POT SB if neither work out.

    • And by mutually beneficial I do not mean purely physical. I am looking for a mental connection as much as a physical one. I was clear about this from the start. Long term, non-platonic “relationship” but without the traditional emotional restraints of a normal relationship. I do not have the time to fully invest in a normal relationship and I believe this to be a more than suitable alternative.

      • Anonomnomnom says:

        you have to make it clear what you want, which is truly a FWB relationship. Don’t be shy to have that conversation. It may seem uncomfortable but more things are and once it’s laid out, you’ll have one less thing to worry about.

      • I actually had that exact conversation with one of the young ladies yesterday, using the exact term FWB. We get along extremely well but she has concerns that it could develop into a true relationship even though I assure her that I am not looking for that any time close to soon. Is there anything that you can suggest to help ease these concerns?

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        She is not the one……she is clearly stating that she wants a transactional situation….I think you’d be better off looking for someone who wants more than a transnational situation.

      • Anonomomomom says:

        You know she could just be acting. Giving you the feeling of a relationship to make thing comfortable. I have an SD that likes that kind of fantasy.

      • Anonymous says:

        Young SD here, 32. I’m in the same situation as you although I’m ok with the FWB thing a real relationship is also what i’m looking for, so slightly different i guess, just make sure you state what your looking for on your profile and screen out the ones that are purely looking for just money. Those girls do exist on this site, although i think there are somewhat rare. First girl I meet on the site actually ended throwing the allowance thing under the table even thou i was offering one, we just ended up dating. Question is for you, if the girl plays her part in FWB properly, even if shes in it for the cash, does it really matter? I personally have zero problem providing them with the allowance they want. The way i would go about it with allowance if you don’t want it to be seem to transactional is so agree on a monthly allowance, but give it to her weekly or bi weekly, so if you see that its not moving in the right direction you can always cut your losses and seek a new one, it should keep them honest too and not try to push their luck into trying to string you along, just make it clear to them that if does not move in the right direction you will leave.

      • I do lean toward the monthly allowance type of arrangement. I feel it is more beneficial both ways. That way if I have a busy month and can’t meet as often they are still taken care of. Or if I am free a few extra nights I do not have to worry about hitting the bank before we meet for the night. I recently did let my local SB go because things had not changed. However the longer distance SB seemed to get it and things have gotten much better. Also I found a new SB locally that expressed the same type of relationship expectations I was looking for and things have started quite well.

    • Anonymous says:

      Since you’re young and new to this lifestyle they will try to take you for a ride. Be respectful but confident and firm with them as to what is expected of them.

      • I have already reiterated my expectations with them in order to reaffirm that we are on the same page. During the conversation we seemed to be in agreement. But afterward things have reverted back to previous. Should I just cut my losses and find another SB?

    • Rick says:

      I think the best thing is always to be clear that the allowance doesn’t start until the intimacy starts. If you’re already giving them an allowance, that’s the problem.

    • JumanJee says:

      Lot of SBs specially those in young age group are a confused lot, they’ve no clear idea what/why they signing up for on this site. They confuse it with traditional dating scene and try to play hard to get. If – as you say – you’ve clearly mentioned in your profile about FWB aspect and also make it clear in in-person meetings and they still try to act up, stop wasting your time on them and move on. Remember unlike traditional dating site, arrangement is a place heavily tilted in men’s favor. You don’t need to waste your time chasing around time wasters.

      • I did end up letting one go because things had not changed. However the other seems to have gotten it. I also found another POT SB and took that exact approach. She was making it difficult to set the first meet so I let her know that I would not be chasing or begging for her time. Since that conversation things have gone quite well.

  33. Miss anon says:

    What I would like to know, as a SB, is how to get the daddy? I’m pretty, but not like a makeup doll, I’m more natural and brunette. I message men and often get no response.. I need help finding a SD, can someone check out my profile and give me an honest critique!?

  34. shewhispers says:

    I have not been on this site for very long, not even a year and most of that off as there were some strange emails in the beginning. Here is my take…I have met about six men in person total, two I deleted on sight as they lied about more than cursory details. Two men I went on to have at least one date with which were not only successful, but mutually satisfying. When it came time for the monetary part of the night, they were both very discreet (placing the money in a pocket in my purse or on the table near my purse, clearly visible to me. This part of the night occurred after we had been intimate. Chemistry is of utmost importance to me and I garner trust once I feel it is a mutual attraction. One of these men I still have regular phone calls, emails, and texts with, but we have only been intimate once. He still sends me money from time to time. I never ask for it. While I am fairly new at this, it has worked for me, those two times. Recently have met two more guys…one who says he works at the Pentagon and I now assume either that was a lie or he is a cheap rich guy who does not want to treat a woman to anything at all. It was difficult for me to believe that he would not consider a gift as he made such a big deal of it initially and said that he wanted to give the gift and would prefer I not ask him about it. That was fine with me as we had chemistry and conversation as well as a really fun night out on the town. I spent a great deal of money on things specifically requested by him in the way of dressing, shoes, etc. To realize that he was really that kind of guy has been a huge disappointment, but I did send him an email to let him know how I felt, whereby he quickly explained that he “intended” to give me a gift. The last guy I met (only for dinner) said he wants to get to know me; he claims he wants a real relationship. The thing is, I do not. That is why I am here. I choose this site because it meets my needs; I do not need the money to survive as I make a very good living (I am in the medical field). To me the money is to show appreciation for all I do to make the day/night special as well as the time I take to really listen to him and what he likes, etc.
    My view on this site at this point is that I will make sure that my needs are met by communicating more fully my expectations of the transactional part of the experience. I dislike doing things in this way, but due to some men here not being respectful of their promises, it is now a necessity.

  35. MeetANiceGuy says:

    I would like some advice from the SD’s out there on how to find a relationship first and financial support later. It seems to me it’s all about the sex up front. How do I weed out the “sex only” men?

    • Rick says:

      If you’re attractive and pleasant some men will be happy to go out with you, for a while, and enjoy your company without sex. But you have to understand that this won’t last that long, and that almost no one will give you any allowance until you become intimate.

    • Bill says:

      You have the right idea of prioritizing the relationship.

      It sounds like you are having an issue with the question of speed in how fast that relationship develops.

      Most women here are comfortable going fast, because one isn’t investing a lot of oneself like for a relationship aimed at marriage.

      If you are not, then just make it clear you need to go slow. That works for many men (it would work for me) as long as you know the allowance will come slow too. Keep in mind the purpose too, not of endless hanging out, but to get to the point where you can decide yes, you want to go all the way, or no you don’t. As soon as you know the answer, let him know.

    • kenshinsh says:

      the more experienced sbs will be able to help you out more on this then me. But not all SD are here for just a quick bang or just sex ( i’m one of them). If I had to guess a SD that is down for a relationship will clearly state it on his profile, and second they will talk to you like a real person would, without to many questions about ppm or whats your rate or so on. Best way to find out would probably be at a meet and greet and if they seem genuinely interested in you and what your saying, and its not just about them chances are they’re not just here for sex. As for relationship first and financial support later, i would caution you against that, with me it would work and i would have 0 problem financially supporting the woman i have a relationship with, but not all guys are like this and some will take advantage of you like that, I would clearly let them know that your up for a relationship but you also do need the financial support, setup a arrangement, if ppm feels to transnational, a monthly one that is paid in parts weekly or bi weekly at first until trust is established. Good luck on that

    • immortal walker says:

      That is very tricky. Equivalent to how do I find a SB who wants a deeper fulfilling relationship, and it is not only about the money. How do I weed out the “ATM princess syndrome” SB’s?

      There is the period of inboxing one another to begin getting a “vibe” about what the other person is like. How well his/her profile is written? And then the first meeting, and that should give you more information by reading the clues but specifically asking what expectations he/she has right?
      In the end, there is no for sure methodology to follow or guarantees. I have been taken advantage of three times in the past myself. Scammed twice despite having my “eyes open”. Best of luck!

  36. Anonymous says:

    The frustrating thing is when they talk your ears off, ask gazillion questions and seem to be genuinely interested. You even get a preliminary agreement on the allowance. And then they just cancel their account (no, don’t just block, but cancel altogether). Such a waste of time…

    • Anonymous says:

      Does anyone know all the website quirks since the last upgrade? What I mean is when someone blocks you I suspect the error message has changed from just telling you the user blocked you to ” URL profile not found” and when the profile is truly deleted by the user there is an error message that says something like the account was deactivated.

      • Anonymous says:

        Correct. For whatever reason,they no longer tell you, you have been blocked. Maybe so that not to hurt your ego.
        Obviously, if you have a second account, you can find out pretty easy what exactly happened…or if she said something rude and “deleted” her account yea, right.

      • JumanJee says:

        Oh that’s bad they changed it. Knowing that you’ve been blocked was a great way to put these princess and queens right in their place by hitting them straight where it hurts the most …. i.e at their queen size egos.

  37. Not Ben says:

    How do I post as Ben?

  38. Anonymous says:

    Having used this site successfully for over a year, here are a few observations from my experience as a SD: 1. I’ve never met a SB that was not all about the money and I don’t mean this harsh. Heck I love what I do for a living, but I do it for the money at the end of the day. SBs’ may have many other excellent attributes, but in the end, they are all about the money which is ok by me. 2. The pay per meet seems to be the norm these days. That’s all I do now having been burned by providing an allowance and experiencing the disappear act in a variety of forms. It just makes sense too – once SB’s have the money their incentive to meet up wanes. It’s not like there is a contract and integrity is fully on the line. What am I going to do, sue them if they ghost? Correspondingly, I’ve never met a SB that will provide me credit without being paid first – see number one above – even if the arrangement has lasted a period of time and I’m waiting on cashing out of an investment to pay. And yes, I do have the means to pay, but I just have my own unusual business. Finally, 3. As it seems pay per meet is the norm no matter what anyone wants it to be, should the expectations change as well e.g. does “substantial” really mean $2,500 per meet in a once a week arrangement? Maybe so, but it certainly isn’t clear.

    • Carolina says:

      I am new to all of this, me being a SB, what should I expect or ask? I don’t want to seem gullible, I just want to make sure both parties are satisfizo, without being harsh by asking something to someone.

      • Bill says:

        The amount of allowance is not what you want or ask, it is what the guy is willing to provide. He decides how much he can let go of without his wife catching on, not you.

        One thing you need to know is that the higher the amount, the smaller the pool of SDs and the more SBs who want them, so the competition gets extremely tough. You are competing against other women for the biggest givers.

        A rule of thumb is this: What is the average rent of a 1 bedroom apartment where you live? That is a good place to start for a monthly allowance, meeting once a week. There are pluses that will allow you to attract a man who will give more: In college, true blonde, hot body, bubbly personality, real experience as a model or on tv commercials, etc.
        You will also often find a man willing to give a premium for being on call (be here in 30 minutes!) or being into some fetish.

        If you meet more than once a week, you might get more, and if you meet less than that, it would be less. If you do a pay per meet, which does work if you have irregular schedules, meeting once a month might be 1/3rd of a 4 times monthly allowance.

        These are for ongoing relationships. For one-offs or short term meet ups, the rate can be quite a bit higher.

    • Anonymous says:

      to the sd above that has asked if 2,500 per meet if once a week is a substantial meet!!!! “WHAT” are there honestly sbs that will take your money and literaly vanish? “why would she do that after an arrangement has obviously been made”
      im looking to have something to look forward to on a regular basis at a very low budget after reading that one ^^above comment.. wow to every guy happy to seek their girl… it may soon be my turn to want to live rather than exept egsistence x
      goodluck mr no name.. and to anyone that could go off without so much as a goodbye and/or thankyou TRUELY SHOCKING!!! {DRUG ISSUES?}

      • Anonymous says:

        Um, this reply didn’t make any sense. I think the SD’s point was more along the lines that the expectations part of SA is outdated.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        The expectations part is not outdated so much as you have women here with very low expectations and very high needs who have no clue of how to meet them which is pretty sad if you ask me. They tend to take the low end because they are in need NOW….the best sugar babies are the ones who don’t actually have immeidate needs who have the power to actually negotiate a happy situation. Most of these sugar babies are just under cover low paid sex workers from what I read on the blog posts……..I’m not judging but it makes me laugh to think that some of these women and men….think the women are not actually workers of that nature when they are factually charging low end sex worker prices…..LOL…..it’s hilarious at best how they try to justify it as do the males who say they don’t want to see a pro but turn the sugar baby into a low paid pro at that LOL…..the expectations or the nature of has not changed….the sugar babies are just on the low end of the range and well…..that is them.

    • Calli DAn says:

      Yup, some of the girls are living in some sort of fantasy land. There are very, very few men that have thousands a month in discretionary spending, especially here in fly-over land. 3k gross a month may be normal in NYC, but in Ohio, that’s more than what 80% of the people here make. And some of these girls want that.. just to you know.. sit there with a blank look on their face. Ooook.

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m not very experienced on this site, but no 1 is wrong for a portion of the SD or female population on this site, not everyone is about the money.

      I’m saying this because on the first meet I’ve ever had with someone on this site, the girl told me not to worry about any arrangement at all, we pretty much just started dating, she even started offering to pay for some small stuff here and there, that btw ladies is really cute and makes us appreciate the girl a lot more not because of the financial aspect but the gesture. And didn’t let me help her pay for some appliances that she needed when i offered too. Was a pretty big shocker to me, and some might think I’m lying here but it really happened.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        I don’t think anyone thinks you are lying. Some of us gals are just in it for the convenience and the company. I know I am. I work and attend school and am pretty stable. I do need company from time to time and I am not looking to settle down. I like to have fun and play around…..it’s just in my nature and has been for ever. Seems you got lucky so good for you. Hold on to that as long as it is good for you both….Nice to hear happy stories of people who actually mesh well and like one another.

    • Bob says:

      Love the negotiating but demand $1000 end of story

  39. Tara says:

    Any daddies who are keen to pay the scholarship of their baby?

  40. Anonymous says:

    Expect that most sugar babies on here will be financial morons, who don’t even actually know how much their own tuition costs. Expect that the articles written to get girls to come here to keep the ratios high have given them a VERY false idea of what wealthy guys think like. Expect to have to go through a lot of bullshit before you find a girl who gets it.

    • Anonymous says:

      My experience has been that young coed SB’s in larger cities are usually less headache to deal with as compared to their counterparts in small to medium sized cities. Also, community college SB’s are absolute nightmare to deal with. I’ve had best experiences with SB’s who attend places like NYU, Boston College, Ohio State as compared to local community colleges.

    • Calli DAn says:

      There are very few multi-millionaires in my neck of the woods and I imagine an even smaller % of them are on this website. That being said, I think a lot of these girls are “playing the lottery”. Sure, there might be a .003% chance of striking gold, but they are gonna keep on digging no matter what =)

  41. Ben says:

    How do i post non-anonymously ?

  42. Ben says:

    Anybody there?

  43. Anonymous says:

    Almost all the women know this is not a platonic site. Most women want a regular arrangement. Therefore stick with per meet offerings, but indicate you are looking for something regular. If you are looking for extra girls, try asking for the friends of the Sugar Baby. You will be surprised how much women like that kind of set up. Next thing you know you have a harem. Set it up so the women can take the initiative and contact you. I kid you not.

  44. JustTheTruth says:

    I’m constantly referring guys to escort sites once they let me know what their expectations/ ideal arrangement would be, it’s very tiring and insulting. Didn’t sign up to be a mistress or $200 call girl.

    • Anonymous number 27 says:

      I do sympathize.

      This was an issue with a SB who dated me for most of last year. We agreed on a monthly allowance paid weekly and she got extra money for babysitting, random problems, and some shopping.

      Not counting what I spent on entertainment (this isn’t a part of a SB’s allowance) she received around 18k during 9 months. This is the midwest, during that time her full time job paid her 12k at most.

      Life was good until a couple of “friends” who saw this site assured her that they all made 500/meet and didn’t sleep with their dates:)

      I cut her loose after a month of listening to this and she spent another 5 months on the site without finding anyone.

      She did text me today offering some very interesting favors in return for rent this month:)

      Sometimes, the amount of money you receive is more than the “per date” or to put it crudely “per fuck” calculation.

      Best wishes here on SA

      • Anon says:

        Anything per fuck should be changed to not per fuck cause women on SA are not pros. If most men here understood that fact and respected women, the sugar world would be a better place.

        Best wishes here on SA

      • Anonymous number 27 says:

        I agree with you.

        Unfortunately the comment came from two SB’s I met on this site.

        Never have I asked for PfP or Pay per Meet, but this has been offered by probably 1/2 the women who message me.

        Young coeds are the most prone to this. It takes around 15 minutes of my time to sort through messages/offers and have a young 20something who only wants to come by my room, lose the clothes, and swallow.

        If the women are offering these types of meeting, I fail to see how it is my fault for agreeing.

        I do respect women, but quite often the women I meet here need the maximum amount of cash in the minimum amount of time, without dinner drinks, etc.

        Assuming that all women on SA are not pros is factually ludicrous.

        Good discussion

      • Anonymous says:

        Correct . It should be per meeting not per fuck. You can fuck 0 to whatever number of times during that meeting.

      • Kidding? says:

        Not pros? Sure.

        Let’s be honest

        Women on here are telling themselves they aren’t pros

        Men are on here telling themselves they aren’t paying for pros

        As long as everyone sticks to the script they can believe what they like

    • Anonymous says:

      How do you know of “escort” sites?

    • immortal walker says:

      I think the amount of allowance, per meet, or otherwise, that a SB can accept is a very individual decision. I have had a couple of arrangements with SBs where I have provided $200-$300 per meet with the understanding that, while not transaction oriented, I wanted them to spend several hours with me the days we met. I have made that very clear from the beginning with the specific purpose of reducing misunderstandings.
      Most were local to the metropolitan area were I reside in the North West coast, but one drove one hour to meet and greet. She mentioned she was able to meet me for four hours at a time, and wanted $400 for that each time. I was to provide the 4-5 star hotel room, any meals and events. While I understood she had to cover her expenses and gas, this was beyond what I could offer her, and told her so, wished her the best of luck in her search, and we parted ways.
      Every now and then, I could still see her profile up for about one year or so. I said hi, and asked her if she have gotten any arrangements, but she did not. She asked me if we could try to see if we could reach one, and that she understood about budgets, etc., but I was already set with another SB at a more affordable, for me, P4P.
      I have never thought about these SB ladies as call girls or mistresses, but rather friends, and we help each other as much as we can, but overall, this is a relationship, not a transaction for goods or services because for that, we have the real call girls or escorts. Some of us, SDs, as they call us, are not looking for that.

      • JustTheTruth says:

        Yeah you’re looking for a call girl you can fuck raw…

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        If you tell a young lady you only want to give her a couple dollars for several hours of time spent…….while most of that time is spent servicing you the sugar daddy…..you basically just turned her into a lower paid pro……..especially if the time spend is based solely on bedroom play time versus dating and just spending time together in a platonic fashion. IT is the expectation of sex no matter how you word it that turns these girls into low end paid sex workers no matter what you say simply because of how you treat them. 200 dollars for SEVERAL hours of time is less than a traditional ex worker gets paid for several hours of her time.

      • mythical eternal says:

        @Ms.Phoenix You are correct. The four hours are not spent in just bedroom play. Only about one hour of that. The rest is an actual date, as a couple, dining, going to an event, talking, cuddling, etc.

    • APR says:

      This, absolutely. I honestly don’t mind being the mistress, but I am DEFINITELY not on here to just provide you with sex, especially for the ridiculously low amounts they offer.

    • Calli DAn says:

      That’s fine. From the SD side, about 80% of the girls in my area are tying to be $200 call girls.. so.. You can understand our confusion =)

  45. Jaymar says:

    how can i find my seeking arrangement..

  46. Deeeeecy says:

    If you are no longer interested in meeting me is it polite for the person to tell me or to block me? Firstly the SD asked us to meet and I agreed and the thing he blocks me when the date approach. Was it necessary for him to block me or to tell me. I don’t really understand what’s going on.

  47. AK says:

    How to hook a SB in 5 easy steps (Written by a SB)
    1) Don’t talk forever online: A quick conversation is cool, but after day two you should, at least, be emailing (or texting, whatever you BOTH are comfortable with) about meeting up.
    2) Meet somewhere public: This may be shocking to you “Sugar Daddies” but a lot of women are looking for something platonic. Why is that? Because that’s how it first started and that is what a sugar baby is (A “companion”). Then many floozy girls (Hoes, Pros, and Hooks) heard about the potential money and flooded the site looking for some quick cash (Pay for play, low allowances, etc). The term “Mutually Beneficial” has come to mean “sex”. Which it’s not. So, do not ask her to meet you at a hotel, your place, or at her place. If you’re worried about saving some money (which, if you’re wealthy I wouldn’t think is a problem) opt for a coffee/ ice cream date. But if money isn’t an issue, try for a late (helps with discretion since it’s not as busy) lunch or a dinner. It does NOT need to be a five star (or even 3 star), but Olive Garden isn’t going to give off the best impression either. Just like you would want for her to give off a good first impression. You’re showing her a taste of what she can have if you two have chemistry and vice versa.
    3) YOU are the one who is already a VERY successful man: Remember that many of us are in school and work a typical part time job to get through it and become successful… When you ask to meet with us, we typically have to call off work, or miss a class, or travel very far, and some may even have to pay a sitter if they have their own children. This is why many girls may ask you for a gift (That can be a gift card, a bit of cash, offering to pay for their uber, etc.) You don’t need to fork out thousands of dollars, but a LITTLE gesture is nice. This also shows your legitimacy. There have been times where at the end of the date, we have had such a good time, I have been given an envelope with some cash already in it letting me know this is something he took seriously and wanted to continue seeing me and that we wanted to solidify our arrangement.
    4) Know your limit: Take a look at your potential SB’s profile… Really look at it. Look at what she said her “Lifestyle Expectation” is. If she says, for example, Substantial, know that means from 5-10k (Practical 1-3k, Moderate 3-5k, etc). If you’re profile says “negotiable” and you pick a SB who’s profile clearly says “substantial” she is going to think you want to negotiate an allowance between 5-10k… Not negotiate how you only want to give her 2k for four meets a month (broken down to $500 a meet). You can find a Pro for cheaper than that price and she’ll probably f**k you better. If it says “negotiable” then negotiate away! But don’t get upset when you’re upfront on your profile by stating that you EXPECT intimacy but set a double standard when she is up front telling you what she expects.
    5) Know what type of arrangement you want and say that. There are plenty of kinds: 1) Allowance based, 2) Travel based, 3) Gift based, 4) Bills based, etc. Keep in mind that there are many SCAMMERS (on both sides) so if you get offended when we ask for cash instead of you knowing our bank info, know why. The longer the arrangement, the more trust there will be. But if you’re weary about giving all allowance cash upfront, maybe do biweekly. If you’re wanting to travel, let her book her own things. if you’re not comfortable with that give her the money when you are together and have her book it in your presence… If you feel so inclined. If you are going the gifts route, have her make a public amazon wish list or have her send you links so you can surprise her when you meet or ship them (Amazon has a good option for making her feel secure as you don’t see the address). Or take her shopping as a date. Two birds, one stone. As far as Bills/ Tuition… That’s pretty easy.

    I hope this helped! Now, you don’t HAVE to do this, just know that this is what we look for(:

    In summary:
    1) Meet soon
    2) Meet public
    3) Be generous
    4) Meet expectations (on both sides)
    5) Know your arrangement

    If you disagree, feel free to. However, just keep scrolling and ignore this. No need to waste your time! If you have any other tips, leave them below! Happy sugaring!

    • Anonymous number 27 says:

      Or as an alternative…

      Ignore most of the overly verbose blathering above…

      Agree to ONE “meet and greet” and if you like the lady or if you know that she struggled to get the time, give her a small gift.

      If she wants additional dates to “get comfortable” make it clear that no compensation is on the table for this.

      Negotiable means Negotiable, end of discussion. If she is demanding way more than the pros cost in your area then expect more, it’s not complicated. (i.e. if she is demanding $500/meet and the higher end escorts in your area are $300 then she will have to accommodate your needs)

      You don’t demand anything but you do need clear expectations. I.e., intimacy will occur before any serious allowance, also lay out what your expectations are are the arrangement progresses. For example, after one month, I am happy to provide a current STD test and expect the same, but every SB I have had in the last five years agreed to Anal, swallowing, and having a friend join us occasionally.

      Trips are great but they are only on the table once you are happy with the arrangement.

      The first whiff of a “princess” attitude is a deal breaker for me. I have been on this site for five years and have never seen such a plentitude of available, willing ladies as I do right now. This leads to me being more picky about whom I decide to to get involved with.

      Lastly, ignore 90% of the gibberish on the board. Treat any lady on here with courtesy, and keep your promises regarding the compensation and you will always have multiple SB’s available for your needs.

      Good luck!

      • Anonymous says:

        So if your comparing rates with an escort does that also mean your dates are 30 mins to an hour?

      • Anonymous number 27 says:

        To answer that question, yes, no, maybe?

        Four to five hours is normal, but this isn’t the time which we are counting when I am paying for expensive entertainment or shopping and everyone knows it.

        I’ve never used an escort for 30 minutes…

        I have had several SB’s from this site offer to come see on escort terms however:)

        There is no chance that I will ever pay a princess on this site 200,300, or 500 per hour for the privilege of taking her shopping or fine dining. That’s nothing more than the marketing BS put out by SA and isn’t how this works.

        Feel free to tell me about your SD who pays you $500 to have dinner with him with no sex, that line is so standard it is becoming boring…

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        I agree here with the sugar daddy…….take none of the advise from the above sugar baby…..it’s not logical….his issues are not yours…..just because you can’t afford a baby sitter does not mean he has to…they are not his kids. If you have to take time off of school or work to see the guy he should run because clearly you do not have enough time and he does not want to waste his time or money hoping you can show up for future meetings if he so happens to give you an allowance up front. Sugar daddies should steer clear of girls with as many issues as the girl above describes….he wants a happy place not a place filled with extra issues and stress because the sugar baby has a life that she cannot afford to maintain……
        Meeting quickly is not always the best option…..and taking advice from someone who cannot properly manage a schedule is just asinine.

    • Anon says:

      Everything you wrote was spot on with the exception of the per meet $500. A pro would not be cheaper although she may be better. A pro is per hour and that’s $250 up to $700.

      You can’t text pros all day or ask them to hang with you for the price of a $20 meal.

      That hourly rate will never compare to the unlimited time you have with a SB.

      Once a SB has to look at the time she’s spending with you vs what you’re giving to her then she’s feeling you’re abusing the arrangement.

      If you want SBs to be like escorts then they’ll get the money, rush through and go see the next guy that has a few hundred to spend.

      • Rick says:

        I don’t know what escorts make in my area, and don’t really care. I’m NOT looking for an escort I’m looking for a SB, or as they were once called “a mistress”. So, I compare SBs to SBs. I’ve gotten about a 60-70% acceptance rate, so I guess I’m judging the market correctly. The “market” sets it’s own price. Capitalism at it’s best

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        And the sugar daddy wins again LOL………I am clearly on the wrong site but I guess it is very fun to come and read all the profiles and then to come to the blogs and the forums for more laughter and promises of more laughter.

        It is so true that the market sets it’s own prices so if us gals here don’t like what is being offered we can always work and pay our own bills LOL……that way we have more of a bargaining chip for an authentic relationship with a sugar daddy who wants more than a hook up from time to time. I prefer those situations to one hitters myself because one hitters are way too similar to pro work and well….I’m not afraid of pro work….just not really my thing at this time however it’s almost as if…..ALL the girls here are under cover pros…….which is where so much of my laughter is coming from. I don’t know….I will stick around to see but…..I gather there is a reason for all of these low end figures. The market is flooded and a lot of girls need to up their marketing skills for better buyer potential.

    • Anonymous number 27 says:

      Or if you are a SD looking for tips:

      1) Pay per meet or per week only

      2) Give a gift during the first meeting only if you are into the lady

      3) The sexual expectations go up over time, make that clear. The first time you are with her, some head may be fine, but after a month, I normally expect everything done with a smile.

      4) Offer travel only after you are comfortable with the lady in question.

      Lastly, the number of quality SB’s has gone up all year, no need to lower your expectations or to tolerate any “princess” behavior. As SD’s we are here for any number of reasons, but on every SD’s list, willing, skilled sexual activities are #1. (My apologies to the one SD on the planet who is looking for “conversation”)

      Good luck

      • Anonymous says:

        I am a woman who enjoys hearing the man I am attracted to have conversation with me.

        Conversing does not mean it has to be lengthy, humourous, or even repeatable in public as long as I hear him say my name. Xoxo

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        The issue you just covered though is travel and only if you feel comfy with the sb……so….to be clear….how will you ever get comfy with the sb if you guys never converse or get to know one another beyond the bed?

        Lots of sd just want a woman who can do more than the average escort….maybe not the ones here but I guess I get lucky in the real world which is why I have turned down more than I have accepted only because it was not even close to what I was looking for and all money ain’t good money in my opinion. I don’t look to travel but if my sd can’t hold a conversation I cannot hold up my end of the bargain and would politely decline. I am here to be pleased just the same and I can get my own 200 dollars as seems to be the norm around here.

    • Anonymous says:

      Tips for SDs:

      1) Never sugar date an SB who has a list like the one above.
      2) No allowance until the panties hit the floor.
      3) No monthly allowance until trust is established.
      4) No money until you have met in person – none of this – I need money for food, rent, car, emergency bs
      5) Stick to your agreement and don’t let her problems become your problems.

    • FedUpAnon says:

      Pure fantasy!

    • Anonymous says:

      Relationship “advice” by women to men is worthless.

      Relationship “advice” by women to wommen is disastrous.

    • ColaSD says:

      Why would a pro fuck you better? She is in a circle of having to be a pro to pay for the coke, and having to take the coke to get through the encounters.

      • Anonymous says:

        Then instead of comparing SBs to escorts and trying to lowball them by offering less for an evening than an escort makes aN hour you guys can instead compensate based on the overall quality of the experience that being with a SB provides compared to an escort.

      • ColaSD says:

        Why should they get a greater reward for less risk? Escorts don’t know who is the other side of the door? Have to have encounters with hundreds of different men. An allowance for an SB should reflect this.

      • Anonymous says:

        Give me a break dude. You’re not paying the escort more because of a bigger risk or any other faux concerns. A true SB provides a higher quality service than you get from an escort that’s why you compensate them well.

        It’s a ridiculous argument to say you pay the SB who spends hours with you, provides companionship, and all the other things SDs choose us over an escort for because it’s less risk. It’s not less risk. Plenty of SBs that have been raped or had near misses. As a woman we are always at risk when “dating”. The perfectly normal guy you met at the library turns out to be a monster.

        I’m not saying SBs should be paid by the hour but they should be paid more than an escorts hourly wage.

      • Anonymous says:

        “As a woman we are always at risk when ‘dating’. The perfectly normal guy you met at the library turns out to be a monster.”

        Therefore, no risk premium is necessary for sugar. Escorting however carries the risk of getting arrested and publicly shamed in court records, local newspapers and online crime reports; may even have to enter sex crime registry, which keeps permanent record available for look-up.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        LOL this one lives in some fantasy world where she assumes all escorts are low end gals…….but to be fair….seems most of the sb’s here are all low end gals so careful how you define your actual competition.

    • Anonymous says:

      That’s a useless “advice” by a woman.

    • mythical eternal says:

      Thank you for sharing this very good post.

      1. Yes to meet soon.
      2. Yes to meet in public (and Olive Garden is a very good place).
      3. Yes to provide the SB with a small token of appreciation for her time during that first meet and greet. This is not to be a payment for her time, for she is also there to see if there is chemistry among us. Therefore, the token of appreciation is NOT a reflection of what she is worth or not.

      4. This is a major source of problems. The SD already knows how much he has available as discretionary income. He cannot, and should not offer or promise what he does not have and cannot deliver. The SB has to be clear as to what can she accept, and what can she offer.

      5. Yes. If it is allowance based, gifts are sporadic, not a constant. If bill based, do not change the amount constantly, etc.

    • Kryston says:

      I agree with this 100%.
      I always prefer to meet with someone I also find, if not even just a bit, attractive. That way sex is awesome and I tend to be more patient, especially with little gifts as I may wait for an allowance.

  48. Anonymous says:

    How to hook a SB in 5 easy steps (Written by a SB)
    1) Don’t talk forever online: A quick conversation is cool, but after day two you should, at least, be emailing (or texting, whatever you BOTH are comfortable with) about meeting up.
    2) Meet somewhere public: This may be shocking to you “Sugar Daddies” but a lot of women are looking for something platonic. Why is that? Because that’s how it first started and that is what a sugar baby is (A “companion”). Then many floozy girls (Hoes, Pros, and Hooks) heard about the potential money and flooded the site looking for some quick cash (Pay for play, low allowances, etc). The term “Mutually Beneficial” has come to mean “sex”. Which it’s not. So, do not ask her to meet you at a hotel, your place, or at her place. If you’re worried about saving some money (which, if you’re wealthy I wouldn’t think is a problem) opt for a coffee/ ice cream date. But if money isn’t an issue, try for a late (helps with discretion since it’s not as busy) lunch or a dinner. It does NOT need to be a five star (or even 3 star), but Olive Garden isn’t going to give off the best impression either. Just like you would want for her to give off a good first impression. You’re showing her a taste of what she can have if you two have chemistry and vice versa.
    3) YOU are the one who is already a VERY successful man: Remember that many of us are in school and work a typical part time job to get through it and become successful… When you ask to meet with us, we typically have to call off work, or miss a class, or travel very far, and some may even have to pay a sitter if they have their own children. This is why many girls may ask you for a gift (That can be a gift card, a bit of cash, offering to pay for their uber, etc.) You don’t need to fork out thousands of dollars, but a LITTLE gesture is nice. This also shows your legitimacy. There have been times where at the end of the date, we have had such a good time, I have been given an envelope with some cash already in it letting me know this is something he took seriously and wanted to continue seeing me and that we wanted to solidify our arrangement.
    4) Know your limit: Take a look at your potential SB’s profile… Really look at it. Look at what she said her “Lifestyle Expectation” is. If she says, for example, Substantial, know that means from 5-10k (Practical 1-3k, Moderate 3-5k, etc). If you’re profile says “negotiable” and you pick a SB who’s profile clearly says “substantial” she is going to think you want to negotiate an allowance between 5-10k… Not negotiate how you only want to give her 2k for four meets a month (broken down to $500 a meet). You can find a Pro for cheaper than that price and she’ll probably f**k you better. If it says “negotiable” then negotiate away! But don’t get upset when you’re upfront on your profile by stating that you EXPECT intimacy but set a double standard when she is up front telling you what she expects.
    5) Know what type of arrangement you want and say that. There are plenty of kinds: 1) Allowance based, 2) Travel based, 3) Gift based, 4) Bills based, etc. Keep in mind that there are many SCAMMERS (on both sides) so if you get offended when we ask for cash instead of you knowing our bank info, know why. The longer the arrangement, the more trust there will be. But if you’re weary about giving all allowance cash upfront, maybe do biweekly. If you’re wanting to travel, let her book her own things. if you’re not comfortable with that give her the money when you are together and have her book it in your presence… If you feel so inclined. If you are going the gifts route, have her make a public amazon wish list or have her send you links so you can surprise her when you meet or ship them (Amazon has a good option for making her feel secure as you don’t see the address). Or take her shopping as a date. Two birds, one stone. As far as Bills/ Tuition… That’s pretty easy.

    I hope this helped! Now, you don’t HAVE to do this, just know that this is what we look for(:

    In summary:
    1) Meet soon
    2) Meet public
    3) Be generous
    4) Meet expectations (on both sides)
    5) Know your arrangement

    If you disagree, feel free to. However, just keep scrolling and ignore this. No need to waste your time! If you have any other tips, leave them below! Happy sugaring!

  49. Anonymous says:

    I like to have a first meet and then several dates while building up trust and attraction. The first meet of course, is free, but I think it’s a good idea for the SD to bring something with him just in case it goes AMAZING. And then the dates after have a gift at the SD’s discretion. He keeps her interested by making sure she knows he’s real and generous, they flirt and have fun, she gets to know him as a human being that she is attracted to. A lot of women are attracted to personalities and humor, not just a handsome face or muscles. And after a few dates when your both friends it should be easy to discuss arrangements, come to an agreement, and nobody will feel like they are paying for or having sex for money.

    • Anonymous says:

      That doesn’t work unless you’re attractive. Seeing a SD multiple times without an allowance or gift makes him appear ugly. The ones that need that much time and attention and use terms like ” build up attraction” require far more than they offer. Those are typically the super salts, super Johns that will get irate when reject their advances. Met two of those already that started to get loud when I wouldn’t listen to them blatter in about how they were really looking for a girlfriend and their wives have thrm in court…blah blah..

  50. Anonymous says:

    I think it is pretty simple: if they get all of their allowance at once, they will try to do the absolute minimum, just to hopefully get another month and then ghost right away.

  51. Anonomomomom says:

    Expectations is sex with a hot girl for money without feeling like that’s all it is.

  52. Anonymous says:

    It took a while but most of the princesses and queens have finally left my neck of the woods.

    More women are willing to make arrangements at the Minimal level.

    This is a small Midwestern/Southern town. What’s happening in larger/coastal cities?

    For some reason up until 2013, there were good and reasonable SBs available.

    Then in 2014 and 2015 all hell broke loose and every other SB turned in princesses and queens.

    Something changed in 2016 and we are back to “normal”. 😉

  53. Anonymous says:

    I am not trying to lowball anybody. What I want, is to pay a competitive allowance to a great girl. If I underpay, she will leave. If I overpay, maybe she isn’t such a great find and what is the point in holding on to her? May as well move on to the next.

  54. Anonymous says:

    Seeking Arrangement could stop all the frustration by adding a FIELD under “Lifestyle Expectation” requiring sugar babies to state whether they are seeking a platonic arrangement. Then SD’s should be able to exclude them from their search. Problem solved.

    • Anonymous says:

      Haha, I agree but many SB’s would not select that option though.
      There are many SB who state that they “don’t want anything physical” So my profile is generic in order not to scare these off. I usually chat with them, some agree to meet in person, and once you meet face to face and can establish good rapport, many are open to being intimate down the road.

      A lot of these women have unreasonable expectations and if you start talking numbers and specifics about what you want over the internet, most won’t meet. Just tell them what they want to hear, most will forget once them meet you. I don’t feel this is deception, I am just helping them get their arrangement.

      • Anon says:

        What happened to the member count? I was talking to a Pot that started to sound interesting and then I caught him throwing out some big whoppers. I was thinking wow that’s a shame. Once I called him on his lies poof he was gone. Closed his entire account out. I was thinking umm how gullible do men think women are in general.

        Another fake just favorited me and his income and allowance offerings are ridiculous. What I mean is that his offer is too high for his income. We’re talking almost half.

    • Anonymous says:

      Correct. Never go into specifics with women on the internet or even on the phone. Get them meet for FREE.

      IF they like you, they will be very flexible. If they don’t like you, they will want you to bring the moon for them.

    • Anonymous says:

      SA can’t do that. It would cut into the number of women that come to the site. Less woman = less men/views = less money.

      • Anonomomomom says:

        But that’s good. I’m here for the teal deal. I don’t want a platonic relationship. But I’m also not set under a minimum lifestyle. So I’m screwed regardless.

    • Anonymous says:

      Also that field would expose them legally. 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      That field could also be used by men that play dumb and go huh? Allowance? What’s that?

      They’ll never use it nor SBs that have no intention of sharing physical intimacy.

      Both of these types are playing a game. The old man that has nothing to offer will bs as long as he can.

      The platonic SB will do the same hoping for allowance $$$ without intimacy.

  55. Anonymous says:

    Sugar daddies complain about all the women on the site who want a platonic relationship. Have you given a look at the ones who DGAF about sex? Stop complaining and find yourself one who’s willing. You boys are always bitching about it.

    • TO SD says:

      We bitch only because they are not up front about it. Be clear up front and we can avoid wasting everyone’s time. I’m upfront about what I’m looking for.
      Worse are the ones who imply it is on the table but simply are trying bait and switch. Those are just grifters.

    • Anonymous says:

      Get over it! 99%+ of the men on here expect sex to be part of a mutually beneficial arrangement. Yes, this site is about “mutual” benefit. So, to all of the sugar babies on here searching for a handsome funny fun rich guy to hand them money in return for their “company”… good luck with that, you’re wasting your time.

    • Anonymous says:

      Lol… let me get this straight. You’re trying to cast the men on here who are seeking mutual benefit as complainers?? :)… nice try.

      Likewise, allow me to categorize the “sugar” babies on here that are seeking a platonic arrangement as gold diggers.

      If I may make a suggestion to all those “sugar” babies that want a platonic “relationship”… Get a job, make your own money, join a gym, and find some real relationships that don’t require payments from your friends.

      • anonymous says:

        so was wondering how you feel about honest. would it bother you if you see somebody posting that that is exactly what they are dong.. gold digging that way you know to move on to the next one right away.

    • MayaTo says:

      Why I cant log in with using my account to post a comment? .-.

  56. Anonymous says:

    Question for the contributors here:

    When women are using an “app” to access contraception and to keep them safe… Ummm; Does this not scream something out to men? My first thought concept is; Men are treating women like nothing more than washing their hands as the oldest profession in the book.

    The other thought process is…If men oozed a smelly liquid and itched based on the act of allowing aoneome to access “them” as women are the quote un quote carrier of the man…would men be so careless with women? The good sign is that wine there is the lgbt community now that is open and progressive…women are no longer the only ones to fall victim to the dismissal and also the witch splitting of finances and value placed on a person. It is extremely invigorating to see that women are no longer isolated.

    The sexual and financial realm is no longer a vigorous cold fro t to women.

    This is now a wide spread mainstream and no longer a fringe dismissed upon a persons clothes. For that, I welcome it. Women no longer are sex objects. The gender divide is now mute. Thank you, thank you. On all sides.

  57. Anonymous says:

    Biggest SB problems I run into. Poor communication for dates and times, arrive late, leave early. Expect allowance on trial month getting to know each other and expectations, agreement not upheld by woman. We agree on 6 to 8 days a month together for allowance and break it down weekly to start, to establish trust. By the end of the month we have spent 4 days together, they want allowance and are asking for half or all of next months allowance on first get together. Man’s point of view, I have time invested and hope things will be better, they are not. I’m learning, desperate women expecting to call the shots for time, not 50/ 50 talked about. I’ll give it another chance and be firmer with my agreement and allowance. Next.

    • SB says:

      It goes both ways.You can not expect a sb to meet with you for a “trial” period for free. At least offer to take care of the expenses that it takes to meet with you. she is still spending her time with you. if you have found that you are not compatable by the 2nd meet then it is time to move on.

      • Calli Dan says:

        Some SB’s have the personality of a dishrag. They ought to be paying me for MY time.

      • Anonymous says:

        Hahahaha

      • immortal walker says:

        This is very reasonable. I give them about $50 for the first meet and greet, and the second date, at a restaurant, I pay for the meals, as a gentleman, and give her $50 for the pleasure of her company, but it is then when I begin to ask them about her thoughts on sex with me. The focus, of some of them, is “how much are you willing to give me?”, and I understand the motivation behind, so here is where it gets tricky because I am not a billionaire sheikh with an unlimited amount of money as discretionary income.
        The arrangement is really less complex and simple. I can provide a minimal amount, divided per week, for 6-8 meetings per month. Does she have the inclination, the time, and interest in the relationship or not to even consider it? If she does, then we talk, because I am to provide with the room, dinner, drinks, trip expenses, etc., and she gets her allowance tax free.
        If she does not, there is no harm done, and NONE has to feel insulted, used, or otherwise uncomfortable. A simple “no, that would not work for me” suffices. It is not about how much is really worth it or not, it is about what some SD have available.
        In reality, this is a way for SD to have a relationship, which for many includes sex, conversation, company, but for SB is also about great company, great dates, having a good time, and getting some financial assistance, which the previous lazy boyfriend did not provide but actually took from her.

  58. mythical eternal says:

    As a middle aged SD, with only some SB experiences so far, I can only offer a small glimpse of what I have encountered with some of the younger crowd in her 20’s.
    I think the article is right on target as far as communication, and yet some SBs seem to find it very difficult to express their expectations; perhaps fear of been rejected as a pot SB if some of her expectations are deal breakers for the SD.
    In my experience, I had one SB who seemed to initially agreed all the aspects of the proposed relationship like the amount and frequency of the allowance, sex, displays of affection and her time availability. However, once we entered into the arrangement, she clarified her position, and we ended up not been compatible in bed, not enough time for activities, and her availability was really only certain days and hours. Since we were already into the arrangement, and I had provided her with a monthly advance, I felt I was taken advantage of. I proceeded to end it and took the loss.
    In retrospective, I think it is important to clearly and openly talk about these expectations as they are, not casual things we can work out later, but important points in a “contract like” position. We need to discuss what amount of allowance is available, and be very clear as to what are we seeking in terms of time, availability and the bedroom. Some younger SB might be shy to discuss these things for they say they have no experience as to the amount of allowance AND they do not know you well enough for the bedroom part, so I think that the SD may provide some clarification as to what is likely possible and what is not. For instance, we read in these boards that $1000 to $1500 per month is more likely to happen than $10000 or more per month that some SBs request. If the SB does not like to kiss on the mouth, or be touched in her breast, and will not allow you to go down on her, for instance, these might be deal breakers for some SDs, and they need to be discussed right away to avoid frustration, resentment, and misunderstandings. So, let’s talk.

    • Anonymous says:

      Stick with per meet allowances and you avoid most of such female nonsense.

      • Anonymous says:

        PPM is just the smart way to go. I have no problem changing to allowances later if things work out. But Pay Per Meet just helps to avoid a lot of problems SDs see early on.

      • Anonymous says:

        P4P only solves “the problem” on the SD side, not the SB side.

        In the past year that I have been active on this site, I have entered into 6 arrangements, a term that should be used very loosely since not ONE of those has lasted past the 2nd date.

        Conveniently enough, for the SD’s at least, that 2nd date is the one where we actually consummate the arrangement. Yes, that means sex & yes that means money.

        It seems that no matter how clearly & in what detail the expectations are discussed, SD’s will either ghost or have some pretty wild excuses why everything that was arranged doesn’t work after all…”Paying for sex is against my goal of being more Christ-like”…”I’ve decided that the financial end of the arrangement doesn’t turn me on”…etc…

        Funny thing is, I agree with P4P “while we develop trust” and then every single one has proven their inability to be trusted. So what is a Pot SB to do? Keep putting up with the “one-F***-wonders” in hopes of finding a real SD who means & does what he says?

      • Anonymous says:

        P4P is a scam used by men who only want one-night-stands and are too scared or too cheap to hire a professional.

        Find me 1 SB who hasn’t accepted a P4P arrangement with the hope that it would “build trust” only to have the SD ghost after the first date.

      • Calli Dan says:

        Perhaps if they are ghosting after date number 2 (consistently) you might want to take a look at what YOU can be doing better. I mean, are you up to snuff hygienically? Are you being warm and *giving*? Are you treating him like the king he thinks he is? I mean, when I am with a SB I expect pampered VERY well. That is all a woman brings to this. Do you think we really care about anything you have to say? We are from 2 different worlds, I can’t relate to your life no more than you can relate to mine. I am there to give you plenty of money and you are there to give me OUTSTANDING customer service. There’s a reason they say “good help is hard to find”.

      • Anonymous says:

        If the SB has something going, SD will be back to her. It is incredibly hard to find a good SB.
        If you keep running into one-night stands… maybe something to do with you, no?

      • Anonymous says:

        I have only run into the one-night-stands among the SD’s on here.

        Both the SD’s that I met offline were with me for 2 years each & I’ve never had a “regular” guy who didn’t come back for more either.

        I’m starting to wonder if it’s a flaw with the site itself.

      • Anonymous says:

        So…. PPM doesn’t solve long term SR because these SDs you’ve been with hit it and quit it after the second date.

        1. You got money, so you are not leaving empty handed. Already ahead of the many SDs who have been burned by allowance before meet/play.

        2. If all the guys are leaving you have one night of intimacy, then you might be doing something wrong… If you are truly worth what you think, men will do everything to keep you around. But if it keeps happening, then you are vastly over rating yourself.

      • Anonomomomom says:

        There’s nothing wrong with SD for sbs when someone is leaving the next day. That’s just life people leave after they get what they want

    • Anonymous says:

      Great points! I hate when I ask a SB what she is looking for and she replies with: “A mutually beneficial NSA relationship” – yea, that tells me a lot! 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      “What are you looking for?” Is an inconsequential question for women. Not because that they are bad people or they are dumb. Nothing like that.

      The question pertains to figuring out a common ground toward an MBA. Women are not focused on solutions. They are focused on problems.

      A better question is, “what brought you here?” They can now rattle off their problems “hoping” YOU to be the solver of their problems.

      • Anonomomomom says:

        What brought me here, well I was having sex with ugly old men for free then a friend said you could get money for that, so I thought, hmm why not.

      • Anonymous says:

        Well, you will fit right in then. Since you have no problem having sex with ugly old men, so here you can get money from similar ugly old men. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        Me: “I can give you a 5k allowance a month”
        Her: “What type of arrangement are you looking for?”
        Me: “Hang out once a week, a physical relationship/intimacy”
        Her: ….
        Me to myself: “Darn it, should have just asked for something more reasonable, like dinner dates and playing board games.”

  59. Anonymous says:

    Unreasonable expectations. Hit the nail on the head.
    Give me 10k and I will go to dinner with you. Once a month. You can peck me on the cheek.

    • Anonymous says:

      3,000 upfront, platonic to start off, sex is a “possibility” down the road, if there is chemistry. I mean, I think I found a keeper here 😉

    • immortal walker says:

      And there is no need for SDs to stress about this, or fumble, or send her hate mail to these SBs asking for high allowances, etc., she can ask for $10000 per month, no sex, and then wait for someone to write her, and perhaps wait, and perhaps continue to wait maybe, I do not know. Maybe she looks like Margot Robbie, and immediately got inboxes to choose from. But, I know she is not getting an inbox from me because I cannot afford $10000, maybe another SD can, who knows.
      I am of the opinion that more reasonable expectations are the ones which have the most probability to be found and enter into arrangements. If SBs, who are serious about this, understand that, then they increase their possibilities for finding a successful satisfying agreement.
      1. Sex is, most of the time, expected. So, if the SB does not want that, this is probably the wrong site for her; again, my personal opinion.
      2. While there are $10000/5000/3000 per month arrangements rooting from this site, they are probably not the majority, but actually a minority, just based on what we read on the boards and other SD online forums. Be mindful about that. $1000/$1500 is more prevalent.
      3. If you only have a couple of hours per week to meet, that may seriously undermine the amount of allowance a pot SD can provide. Take that into account when you are selecting your “life style” allowance.
      4. You both are supposed to enter into the arrangement to have great times, fun, and enjoy each other’s company. If this becomes a “job” the SB has to endure to make some money because she is not attracted to the SD she chose, then, most probably, it will not work.

      • Anonymous says:

        3-5k a month allowance is very common in major cities … I am not sure why anyone would bother with an arrangement for 1k-1500 a month unless it was one date a month … But then again I don’t live in the Midwest or middle of BFE … I always forget how cheap it is to not live on a coast … I guess allowance is adjusted for the area you live in average salary … Demographic searches help align expectations of your area, these blogs don’t help much unless you know EXACTLY where everyone’s city they are discussing …. WA state and Cali both have 6 % of the entire population of households worth a million or more … Do your homework in your area

  60. FedUpAnon says:

    I am perfect. The article is wrong.

  61. FedUpAnon says:

    First, who knows?

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