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How to Bring Up Your Kinks

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Let’s be honest, ever since 50 Shades of Grey exposed kink to the mainstream, women are opening up to ideas outside vanilla. With that being said, bringing up your kinks to a Sugar Baby has become a lot less taxing over the years. Here is what to keep in mind when introducing your Sugar Baby to something outside the sexual norm.

Communicate
I know, I know, but communication is key. But she’s not a mindreader, and it’s all about how you present the situation. Don’t make it a yes or no thing, because when someone feels backed into a corner they’re more likely to jump straight to no, and nobody wins. Talk with leisure in person and ease her into the idea, and express what you want to share with her.

Confidence
Never act ashamed about what you’re presenting. It can be a natural reaction, especially if you are feeling vulnerable. It can be intimidating when there’s a fear of judgement involved. But don’t let social stigma hesitate you from talking to her about what you like, you could be pleasantly surprised about her reaction, or her own interests.

Slow Down
Start slow when introducing her to your kink in the bedroom. Heck, easing bits into light choking, spanking, dirty talk etc can be a great conversation opener and a way to gage her interest as well. Don’t just go full chains, whips, whatever it may be, unless you’re trying to scare her from the idea in a hurry.

Also, if she is bringing up her wild side, be as open minded as you want her to be. Being married is often portrayed as the death of sex, so if you’re married but looking this can be a godsend to something more exciting.

What has and hasn’t worked for you?

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3,552 Responses to “How to Bring Up Your Kinks”

  1. my-doll says:

    Good guide and will be looking forward to implement this guide in the next live session

  2. Gemma says:

    Where are the pictures of the guys I only seem to see chicks on here I’m looking for real men

  3. Gemma says:

    Where are you located at

  4. abby222 says:

    i just think SDs shouldn’t bring it up too fast. even if a SB is into BDSM it shouldnt be the first conversation.

  5. Steve says:

    We’ve noticed a massive increase in people buying BDSM and leather fetish products since 50 Shades introduced the whole kink scene to the wider community.

    There are plenty of products for the experienced or first timer on saxleather.com.au

  6. thick baby says:

    Cute. 50 shades of grey IS vanilla.

  7. SweetYoungNatalia says:

    I would love to meet someone who is open about their sexuality and not be ashamed of trusting the other person with their fantasies. I think it’s normal to have those desires and who’s to judge!

  8. Cool Nerd says:

    I think it’s appropriate for someone to be open and tell you right off the bat that they’re submissive or dominant; however, going into detail of explicit expectations or explaining what sexually works for them, might just be a turn-off, as that comes off as rather heavy to some folks prior to a relationship being able to actually cultivate and having an established connection. If the other party has already shown some type of interest in talking further and is open to seeing how you both can connect, then at least take some time in getting to know him/her, whether it be via phone, FaceTime, etc. Getting to know someone is crucial for any relationship to sustain legitimacy and quality. I believe there has to be an appropriate time and place for someone to explain the specific, nitty-gritty details of what would entirely fulfill their desires. Everyone’s different, as well arrangements. So with that said, you can’t treat every person and situation as the same. Make sure there’s a level of comfort so both parties can hear each other out and explore what CAN be. Would you really want to miss out on the potential perfect SD/SB just because you wanted to focus more on what only brings you immediate satisfaction behind closed doors? Patience and understanding is key.

    Otherwise, if you’re both freaks in the sheets, then that’s a WIN-WIN!

  9. Sugar Baby says:

    You have no idea now normal you really are. A good sugar baby is a princess who understands who you are while adulting is not who need to be when you’re with her. It’s just part of the sugarship and it’s quite lovely.

  10. Celena Mai says:

    I find that it is easier to just SAY what your kinks are, rather than try to tiptoe around what you crave/want. It saves time, if not effort in the long run.

  11. Talia al Ghul says:

    Would love a daddy who could teach me a thing or two. Don’t worry about your kinks, I’m totally experienced and have heard nothing that could surprise me.

  12. Sugar Baby says:

    What is a SD’s favourite position from a SB?

  13. ks says:

    Some new toys [http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/27/a-first-hand-quest-for-the-future-of-sex/]

  14. elaine says:

    @Anonymous says:
    January 26, 2016 at 2:54 pm
    “@OP/Elaine, you don’t have to refer to yourself in third person :-)”

    Goodmorning Anon!

    1.In case you didn’t notice, i am on another continent and another timezone.
    While you guys blog, I sleep. (and no, don’t suffer from insomnia, thanks)

    2. Maybe even more important, you can accuse me of many things, but not from being a coward hiding behind “Anonymous” or other nicknames. I stand for the things I write. If I would feel ashamed of something I would want to write, I just would refrain from posting it.

    3. Since English is not my native language, everyone with more than 2 braincells immediately recognizes my writing style.

    Cheers! :-)

    • noname says:

      i see your in a good mood hope all is going well in europe

    • Anonymous says:

      1. Germany is only 6 to 9 hours difference from the US, not 12hrs difference. It is 6am on the West Coast, 9am on the East Coast, both of which are morning getting up time, 3pm in Germany, far from your sleeping time.

      2. Your January 27, 2016 5:07am post
      {https://www.seekingarrangement.com/blog/blog/2016/01/26/drink-choice-says/#comment-473569}
      was not due to device change, but due to your hiding behind anonymous a few minutes earlier at 5:02am:
      {https://www.seekingarrangement.com/blog/blog/2016/01/26/drink-choice-says/#comment-473565}

      • Anonymous says:

        In addition to posting under “anonymous,” you may well be the one posting under “ks” as well, based on the analysis of her posting times of the day. That’s probably why you claimed to like “his” posts best among the SD’s when “his” gender identity was under question.

        If you prefer pursuing this further, I can take this discussion to the new threads.

      • ks says:

        @Anon.
        I am not Elaine. I do travel a lot internationally. I tend to post during any downtime. Any correlation with Elaine’s posting times are purely coincidental. Not that any of that matters, but you seem desperate to find something to disparage someone.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ks

        You always post outside the sleeping hours in Germany. Do you check with Elaine and see if she is up before posting every time?

      • ks says:

        @Anon.
        I have never met Elaine, nor corresponded with her privately. I am fairly new to this website but not to the lifestyle.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ks someone has waaayyyyy too much time on their hands.
        Stalker much @Anonymous? What a strange thing to focus on!

      • elaine says:

        @Anonymous

        1. I am not in Germany. I do speak several languages and German is only one of them, in case you are referring to some of my answers in German to @Kore (who indeed is in Germany).

        2. I have posted two times “Anonymous” when switching to my Iphone. I have immediately posted to say it was me.

        3. Anyone with a higher IQ as my heelsize will see the difference in those two posts since I tend to use a lot of white spaces in between which I can’t when posting on my phone. And also the emoji’s are different.

        4. And everyone with a higher IQ as my dress size will recognize my bad English, so even if I would want too (and I am no coward so I don’t) I’ll be immediately outed when trying to post under another moniker.

        But it’s amusing and you seem to be quite obsessed about it, so yes, why not pursue this further and make yourself looking even more like an idiot?

        Cheers :-)

  15. Anonymous says:

    Why shouldn’t I choose another blog? I am blocked by every other address I try to posy by. Wouldn’t you all choose the same, eventually?

  16. Anonymous says:

    wow, my other post was banned. I se I will stop posting now, Good luck to your boredom of the mind that puts me to sleep. I cant even get a Michael Jackson post, posted. No worries, I will create my own blog that will gain thousands of peers while you wilt away in comparison eventually because apparently you only exalt the few and far between. I don’t need anyone else to show me the light, you already have. Totally done with your authoritative circumference. No different than politicking.

    • Anonymous says:

      Good luck with your blog.

      • Anonymous says:

        Thank you. Instead of having rocks thrown at my windows here.. I will rocks thrown by the locals and roses thrown by the rest serenading me at my window, called a blog. My, how times change. You can be sloppy, but I will never be placed on a shelf again and everyone will come out to play on mine. Mine, is a real page turner.

      • Anonymous says:

        Do you mean page churner?

      • Anonymous says:

        Yucca, yucca!, you Anonymous…you!

        Aren’t you just a knee slapper of laughter, my friend. Oh my, I can hardly breathe at the laughter that exhausts me. Oh look, there is a NEW blog, that is up…

        I guess that means I can dismiss your lame-o-ness and join the newfound crowd. Yee, Haw!

  17. Anonymous says:

    no one references themselves in 3rd person, its all 1st person, the difference is: we know how to speak in Ebonics, Jewish, Anglo-Saxon, Hawaiian, German, African American descendant, Arabic, Asiatic, (if there is even such a thing, for Heaven forbid as all of these), Nordic, European descendent, Spanish, all encompassed dialectic of any other authority other than white, gee… now, have I covered all basis finally?

  18. anonymous says:

    last two blogs over 2 weeks old and over 3k+ posts… appears the powers to be are just going to allow it to implode upon itself with all the caustic diatribes that prevail and the sugar people give up in frustration. It can’t be of any positive use to the site anymore with the crap that continues to pervade.

  19. Kuz says:

    TVC:
    Are you a single mother?

    • TVC 15 says:

      No, thank God, or else I might have no choice but to dine with the hostile and twitchy.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Kuz
      Stop trolling. Your time is better spent narrowing your search parameters to find what you are looking for and vetting profiles. Maybe you will find what you are looking for.

      • Anonymous says:

        last time I checked.. Single moms will represent you ujproperly, ensure you are not treated like a sell out, because they know not to bite the hand that feeds them and certainly can come up when the self inflivted. self entitled mass of red bottom shoes would currce you out in a heartbeat by not giving iinto their whims of “self.”

        Perhaps, the single moms need to step up in the dating game and show more authority that hey have and be self centered and make claims, that they presently do not, and show you what they are made of. Rest assured, the finances will be balanced and a bitch you will have, like a bull dog on point, to keep the fakers at bay.

      • Anonymous says:

        The hand that feeds them. These Johns crack me up. Please stop smoking whatever it is you’re smoking.

      • Anonymous says:

        Please, stop smoking and using drugs and then coming here accusing other innocents of using drugs based on your own narrow mindedness because apparently, that is all you have to offer.

        Stop the constant Elmer’s glue and paste activity, as a kindergartener with your constant lame and old ass attempt of a pinto car trying to be a tesla or a karma or a lambo in todays society… You cant, and the value factor is lost, more and more with each interjection you try to use as an emulation. I am licking my lollipop laughing at you while I am being eaten out in the process. this is pure joy, while he looks up at me and says “do you like it baby, and I respond.. “god, Godd, I love it baby!”

      • Anonymous says:

        What the…f^@#

  20. George says:

    You must be blind, don’t know how to filter, or don’t have much to offer. There are some incredible looking women here, I should know, since I am currently seeing two of them. One has done professional modeling and is 21, the other is actually prettier and has a body to die for, and she is 23. The former in college, the latter in grad school.

    Yes, there a lot of women who got knocked up and have messed up their lives, you can usually tell from looking at their photos or how they write that they are basket cases. I have only met two women here over 30, one was 31 and the other 32. Usually I stick to between 19 to 25. Neither of the two over thirty wanted financial support, they were just interested in NSA with a successful man.

    These high quality women I date from here tell me about how most men simply do not put in the effort. Figure out how to push their buttons before you write to them, and you can have a high meet rate.

  21. anonymous says:

    “He doesn’t get it so no reason explaining it to him. I advise him to find the platonic ones, since he doesn’t want a pro site.”

    There you have it ladies and gents; it is now a “pro site” who’d a thunk it

    • Kuz says:

      Seems like I have hit a nerve with some of the SB on here. Maybe the women on here see themselves as so valuable, they should be compensated for simply showing up for dinner.

      • TVC 15 says:

        Dinner with someone as hostile and twitchy as you? You couldn’t pay me enough to sit through it.

      • anonymous says:

        Fundud, really? you feel the need to troll so low

      • Anonymous says:

        That’s why nobody is paying you to have dinner or sex, dear TVC. You are too good for anyone.

      • TVC 15 says:

        How would you know what my dates are and aren’t giving me?

      • Anonymous says:

        You wouldn’t be so bitter if you were getting money regularly. Sugar Babies are not called Bitter Babies for a reason :-)

      • OP Anonymous says:

        @TVC

        Stalker alert.

      • OP Anonymous says:

        We’re only bitter if you’re salty. You don’t get called Salt Daddies for no reason.

      • Anonymous says:

        @OP

        Thanks for confirming: bitterness is indicative of not being paid. Ergo!

      • OP Anonymous says:

        Confirm what? That too much salt is dangerous and leaves a bitter taste? Thought people learned that in grade school.

        By the way, just to school you on some of these sugar terms, salty doesn’t mean no pay (that’s actually scamming) it means lower pay or the best bang for your buck or Mr. Big Spender and p4player. Got it?

      • OP Anonymous says:

        Ergo, I know another blogger who uses ergo. Ergo!

      • Anonymous says:

        Here’s what you confirmed:

        “We’re only bitter if you’re salty. You don’t get called Salt Daddies for no reason” == You and TVC are bitter because you are not paid or not paid much of anything.

        Glad we are in agreement.

      • OP Anonymous says:

        Nope, you fail. Salty means cheap Johns. Now if you categorize yourself that way, then it’s different. I don’t know for TVC but as far as I am concerned I come here to give advice to people who ask for it with humility, which clearly Kuzy didn’t do, and turned immedialtely hostile and defensive and obviously has an agenda in mind. With that being said salt talk really does produce a bitter flavor so give SUGAR people and you’ll receive honey! ?

      • TVC 15 says:

        Guys tend to get hostile when they can’t get any, anon. I think that’s your issue. :)

      • Anonymous says:

        Finally, TVC, you are getting better at the analogy exercise :-) No, I’m not bitter. I’m getting the equivalent of what money is to you quite regularly.

        OP is just hiding her bitterness under anonymous, because she is not getting the equivalent of what sex is to men regularly despite her claims of alleged success in the bowl and giving “advice” under other username based on that alleged success.

        Most women’s advice to other women is useless; most women’s advice to men is disastrous. Because most women are incapable of separating out their own feelings when giving advice.

      • OP Anonymous says:

        Actually no Anon, you fail again. I give advice and you may find me under anonymous many times (no, not that anonymous). I can afford to give advice because I am actually picky in my SD choices and have had success thus far, but like Elaine won’t mention trash talk here, aftef all it’s nobody’s business.
        However where have I heard that last paragraph you wrote generalizing about women giving advice and other bullshit. AHA
        Confess: Josh or FD? That ergo reference has me confused.

      • Anonymous says:

        @OP/Elaine, you don’t have to refer to yourself in third person :-)

      • OP Anonymous says:

        Sorry Josh, I am not Elaine. I am a younger SB and if you actually look up the clues, you might find my anonymous posts quite easily. Though one thing me and her have in common is that I am not from the US either.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Elaine/OP

        Stop pretending. You are not convincing anyone besides yourself.

      • OP Anonymous says:

        If it makes my intellectually inferior blogger happy, then I am Elaine all the way. Happy Josh? :)

  22. SugarD says:

    Stick with dating sites and maybe they’ll see you for free. If you want something you cant access IRL dating ( i.e. a 20 -40 yr gap ) this is the only game in town .

    • Kuz says:

      I agree. However, the question is how much are they consistently paying for that access.

    • Anonymous says:

      He doesn’t get it so no reason explaining it to him. I advise him to find the platonic ones, since he doesn’t want a pro site. ?

    • Kuz says:

      What don’t I get? I am trying to have a discussion on how much men are paying consistently for SB.

    • TVC 15 says:

      Yup. Women who want money are awful, so head over to match or plentyoffish. With your charm, you should have no trouble finding plenty of free sex.

    • Anonymous says:

      @TVC,

      Likewise, you should go to GoFundMe for free money instead of wasting your time here.

    • TVC 15 says:

      Thanks anon, but I’m happy with the site’s premise so I’ll stay. Those who aren’t can leave. Freedom, gotta love it. :)

    • Anonymous says:

      The premise of the site is Sugar Daddy/Mommy and Sugar Baby. You sound like someone who wants to be a very cold and abusive Mommy biting a kid’s head off, yet still wants to be paid. GoFundMe might give you better luck.

  23. rembodler says:

    Sexual decisions are not driven by business or common sense. Look at Antony Weiner, powerful man, friend of Clintons, married to a beautiful woman. Threw his life and career away cuz he had to, just had to, have phone sex with a pretty average looking 21-year old. Phone sex, mind it, never saw her or touched her.
    And you are saying, X% of something is too much…Puh-leese(c).

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Rembodler
      An attempt to empathize with the budget constraints of the Sugar Daddies fails.

      • rembodler says:

        Mucho gracias.
        I have yet to see an SB who seriously sympathies with SDs long term financial future. Arrangements are an art of short-term. All she knows, the money she did not get are spent elsewhere. And acts accordingly.

      • rembodler says:

        *empathizes

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Rembodler
        I can assure you, anyone of an equivalent age, who has had to work for a living, can empathize with the long-term financial consequences.

    • TVC 15 says:

      Fortunately, there are enough guys here who don’t crumple into a weeping ball when a woman voices an opinion, so I plan to stick with it. I’m sure you can find someone who’ll pretend to agree with everything you say, so don’t begrudge the guys who are looking for something more interesting.

      • TVC 15 says:

        ^^ Sorry, that was meant for the anon with the life advice below.

      • Anonymous says:

        There is no retroactive rape. There is however rape by deceit known as conditional sex. Some people here need to really pick up a law book.

      • TVC 15 says:

        If you were able to get anything right about me, then I might think you had enough insight to be worth listening to. :)

      • Anonymous says:

        “Conditional rape” is like “imaginary rape” and “figurative rape.” At $200 loss instead of massive account losses, “conditional rape” claimed by a wannabe hooker is literally orders of magnitude (that means 10’s, 100’s and 1000’s times for the mathematically illiterate) less severe than “financial rape” claimed by typical victims of financial frauds.

      • Anonymous says:

        To be this stupid it would have to be illegal (for all those lawyers in here, no pun intended).

        Yes, because rape is ammounted to money loss and thus makes ‘financial rape’ which is fraud and not rape (I would advise against using the word because it’s a serious crime and gets thrown around enough in vain) more important than real sexual rape where the it affects the person psychologically.

      • Anonymous says:

        Financial fraud is exactly what “conditional rape” is: the victim agreed to perform sex for money and was a willing participant when sex was taking place, then defrauded when she was not paid after the sex. It is a case of fraud, not rape.

      • Anonymous says:

        Come with what you’ve wrote to the court, and we might actually laugh for once in there.

        Realize that whenever sex is involved in a crime, it constitutes rape. A conditional rape is just such, not matter if the condition involved money, or the condition was the person’s name, personality (for example he said he is Brad Pitt when in fact it’s his lookalike) or even body/face (if it’s concealed). That is conditional rape. Financial fraud is fraud in finances, having sex with a condition and not having it fulfilled, cheating it, using anything and any illegal means to get sex, constitutes conditional rape, not financial fraud. The condition defines the rape, as in all cases, not case by case as in personality rape, which obviously doesn’t exist.

        Please, educate yourself more and read a law book. It’s essential!

  24. TVC 15 says:

    Yes, and so are the women.

    • Kuz says:

      What problems are women having on here? I would imagine it has to do with allowance expectations. The amount of men who are both willing and able to part with 5K or more a month are few. And even if a woman was getting that from one SD I would think it is not for very long. That would put the SD squarely above the Annual Exclusion potentially inviting IRS problem.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Kuz
      Pot for every lid, some of those older average women are perfectly acceptable to Sugar Daddies 10-20-30 years older than them. You can’t expect hot 20 year olds to cater to 70 year old men.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Kuz
      Problems women have:
      – fake male profiles pretending to have money, that try to trick women into sexting, sending them pictures, and video chatting with them and have no intention of meeting
      – men who get a kick out of “scamming” women on the site to have sex with them, without doing anything in return
      – $200/per sexual encounter, P-4-P prostitution offers
      – various schemes in getting women to spend money, travel to them, and anything else you can imagine.

    • Kuz says:

      @Damn

      Sure. I can see much older men having to pay higher allowance. But how prevelant is a consistent 5K or greater allowance? You seem like a hardened SB. You tell me.

    • Kuz says:

      Problems women have:
      – fake male profiles pretending to have money, that try to trick women into sexting, sending them pictures, and video chatting with them and have no intention of meeting

      Sure. Just as women surly misrepresent age, manipulate pictures, etc. Profile fibbing is part of any online medium where men and women meet.

      – men who get a kick out of “scamming” women on the site to have sex with them, without doing anything in return

      How do men scam women into having sex? By not paying them afterwords? I though this was not a website for pros so that should be perfectly acceptable, right?
      – $200/per sexual encounter, P-4-P prostitution offers
      wait, I though that they were being scammed out of money. Now the are being paid? Which is it.
      – various schemes in getting women to spend money, travel to them, and anything else you can imagine.
      Realties of online dating.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Kuz

      We sincerely don’t want to repeat ourselves. Go look below what scamming for sex constitues. Hope you’re not in Texas. Have a good day, John.

    • SugarD says:

      @DV ” You can’t expect hot 20 year olds to cater to 70 year old men.”

      Dang DV -you are so wrong -misinformation ! Most of my SBs are 45+ yrs younger than I am .

      “$200/per sexual encounter” Wrong ! Most of my SBs are in the $600-1000 /month range .

      Don’t let the “gotta spend more money because you are old scare you off. Attraction factor is real . If you are dog ugly then you might have an upcharge .

      Remember ,there’s someone for everyone . What “insults” the blog girls is manna from heaven for others .

    • DamnVixen says:

      @SugarD
      The “problems” are not about YOU. Nobody is talking about what YOU do. Just because YOU don’t do it, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening on the site en masse.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @SugarD
      The “context” of 20 year olds/70 year olds – a FIFTY year age difference, I will add, was just trying to find a quick reason to explain to the man why there are older SBs here.

    • elaine says:

      “How do men scam women into having sex? By not paying them afterwords? I though this was not a website for pros so that should be perfectly acceptable, right?”

      Perfectly acceptable, but really!?

      Afraid you don’t really got the concept…

    • SugarD says:

      @DV

      Fraud,scamming,and general nastiness I am totally against and in agreement with the ladies . Guys are targets too.

    • Anonymous says:

      A 50 year old difference? Might as well have sex with a corpse. That large discrepancy would require a guy to pay much, more than the average younger guy. Just ask Fundude for his theory on SMV and money.

    • SugarD says:

      “A 50 year old difference? Might as well have sex with a corpse.”

      Dead wrong ! No pun intended lol. Not tooting my horn but I am a lot fitter than my 20 yr old SBs and wear them out pretty regularly . But it is not about me as DV said . My hot SBs might be crying inside sexing a geezer but they keep coming back to Daddy for more . And it isn’t the fat allowances that keep ’em cumming .

      Bottom line is –YMMV. For some it isn’t their thing ,but those ladies can sit at home wondering what having an SD is like and hoping they can afford rent this month .

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m sorry there’s nothing fat about a monthly allowance of 600-1k. That’s below minimal.

      To tell you the truth, most SB’s don’t come here looking for men 50 years their senior, I think we both know that because no matter how good looking a 75 year old man is he’s still 75.

      And as far as that rent SB which you mentioned I am sure desperate SB’s are not needed whose sole income is sugar and I am sure you know there are many types of SD’s out there, not just this type.

    • SugarD says:

      @Anon

      I’m sorry there’s nothing fat about a monthly allowance of 600-1k. That’s below minimal.
      To tell you the truth, most SB’s don’t come here looking for men 50 years their senior, I think we both know that because no matter how good looking a 75 year old man is he’s still 75.

      Correcto -My point exactly. I don’t attract my Sbs because I pay excessively . I’m sure some SDs need to pony up big bucks to allow an SB to “swallow” their revulsion. But that is the beauty of the Sugar World . There IS somebody for everybody . You listeners out there pay attention . If you have high hopes to score a SuperDaddy who pays big bucks because you are so special do not lose heart. Because when he does not come there are MANY of us out there who will treat you to a good time and pay you an allowance that will help you with whatever your desires/needs are .

      Aim high but be realistic. If realism is not acceptable to you then leave the Sugar Bowl and get back to real life as you know it .

  25. ks says:

    Wow that was impressive! I put up a hyperlink to a story related to SA and it was moderated and removed exceptionally fast. I thought this blog did not have moderators?

    • DamnVixen says:

      The blog immediately sends any post with a link in it into “moderator” mode that is never looked at. If you want to post a link, put brackets around it. [] {}

      • anonymous says:

        for gawds sake Vixen, you just shoot off your mouth on anything and everything. If you had been paying attention, it was posted in brackets, but apparently moderated because of content. Which surprises me that you have not been moderated as well for you incessant pursuit to make the sugar bowl into a nothing less that disguised escorts!! I would be curious to know how many women you have frightened away by your triades and how many more John’s you have attracted, let alone the “scorts” you have attracted to the site.

      • rembodler says:

        Jeez, Vixen…you certainly had someone find their knickers in a twist…

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Rembodler
        I think she’s pissed because I’ve posted that it isn’t reasonable for an SB to expect an SD to spend 1/4 of their disposable income on sugar. Of course, the problem with all the “Anonymous” posters, you can never tell which one is which.

    • elaine says:

      Try again in the way @Vixen said :-)

      • elaine says:

        Read the article…what a perv!

        “I thought she was 16” ….
        Yes, and!?
        Then it would have been ok?

        A man of 56 who wants to fuck 16 yo is just sick.

      • Anonymous says:

        The age of consent in UK is 16. I know, many middle aged women would like that to be raised to 25 if not 35, perhaps even 40!

      • Anonymous says:

        Mid-aged women raised the age of consent from 13 to 16 the last time.

      • SugarD says:

        This case underlines the necessity of carding young SBs . Girls mature so differently that it is hard to differentiate a 14 yr old from a 20 yr old sometimes . This guy could be a perv, but he could have been told they were the age of consent . The burden of proof is on the guy -and is not fair .

        For the SDs -do you card every SB Pot in the 20ish range at the M&G ? What is 1)the age of consent in your locality and 2) what is the youngest SB you have been with ?

        AOC in my area of the US is 18 and the youngest I am aware of is 18.

      • rembodler says:

        I ask to see an ID or a passport. She can cover her last name if she wants.
        No exceptions. Absolutely no exceptions.

      • JoeF says:

        And then the link was gone again, definitively the mods bringing down the ban hammer.

        Guess Brandon don’t want us to discuss it.

      • Anonymous says:

        JoeF is correct. The link is gone…
        there certainly is moderation…

      • KS says:

        And all because SA was the origin of that particular SB SD encounter…

    • Anonymous says:

      Post keywords so those interested can search the story themselves.

      • JoeF says:

        Try googling Doug Richard

      • elaine says:

        What a lousy thing to moderate that link.

        Rape stories can be confessed here, forcing minors into sex, people can get insulted and being called the most horrible names and they don’t give a sh*t, they even proudly post links of bad publicity of their stupid “parties”….

        And this they “moderate”?? ts..ts…
        Where have they got their Marketing degrees?
        In the lottery?!

  26. Anonymous says:

    I think a lot of these calculations miss a very important point. To some, this is an addiction. As all addicts, people will “feed it first”. If your primary goal is to bed pretty chicks, you can skip on a lot of other things.
    And yes, a guy with a 250k income can easily pay 5k/month allowance. Except that he will probably have 2 SBs at 2.5… Or, if he is handsome and in good shape, 3 at 1500…;)).

    • Anonymous says:

      I would brag about paying multiple desperate women for their time over paying one to tolerate you for even more money. That makes perfect sense to brag about.

    • Dash says:

      I’d say priority over addiction, but yeah it’s definitely true. How many people are rolling in a Mercedes rather than a Honda or buy way more house than they need. It’s all about priorities in spending. You’ll spend more on things you really want.

      It’s a mistake to think 5k is nothing though. I’m over 250k and 5k a month is a lot of money. That’s 10 car payments, more than the mortgage, it’s a brand new product launch every month for my business, or that much more I could put in wealthfront investments or a lot of other things. I mean I was using a crappy old laptop for a long time because I didn’t want to drop money on a new one. Until the Surface Book came out and then I threw 2,000.00 at Microsoft to buy one. Because it was sexy, which goes back to the priorities 😉

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Dash
        I agree with you. $5,000 is a lot of money, tax-free per month for what are for the most part, recreational activities. I think it’s at the high-end of what a woman on this site could hope to get from one guy.

        No offense to you – I don’t really see how a bachelor earning $250k a year is going to spend that much, just from a cost/benefit standpoint. Maybe, if a man was utterly obsessed with a woman and had to have her, he would spend half his income on her. But the men seem to have a very business-like attitude in approaching things on the site. The girls should understand that.

      • Anonymous says:

        This is absolutely true.
        For some SB is a part of the lifestyle. For others, she (or they) are a lifestyle.
        I remember the discussion among the SBs here. The bottom line, “It is the allowance (stupid)”! From that POV…why does it matter if she gets 1/10000 or 1/5 of your income? Obviously, if she knows there is more, she will ask for more. Just do not tell her, maybe?

      • Anonymous says:

        This is not business DV so no one should have that mindset. We aren’t bargaining to buy cheaper milk, cows…but to find a quality SB. And earning 250k annually doesn’t equate to giving half the monthly income at 5k. The half part of that would be 10k.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon 11:51am

        Don’t forget taxes. $250k/yr is only about $12-13k/mo after taxes.

  27. JoeF says:

    So what was Kenna’s story in the end? From comments here she seems to have been a fake?

    I was around the blog a while ago, but Real Life got too busy. Always wondered what happened with here in the end.

    Think I left around was when Kenna said she was in hospital and about to move to California?

    • DamnVixen says:

      @JoeF
      I have no idea who Kenna is.
      But in light of @Fundude’s preoccupation with calling her a liar, and his similar attacks on me, I wouldn’t accept his opinion of her being a “fake” as particularly persuasive. I’ve yet to see him really accept any SB story as being “true” if it doesn’t fit his “vision” of how sugar-dating should work.

    • elaine says:

      @JoeF

      She was outed, al her pages and blogs were found and also her “SD” ,who is her life partner, was found back on Linked etc. He is no billionaire but a middle management guy.
      If I remember well they live in New Jersey, but I am not sure anymore. She was never pregnant.
      She has set up a complete fantasyworld and i have to admit, she did a great job.
      I was one of those who were fooled.

      I have seen all the proves, but can’t recall the sites, am too lazy to go search for them again, maybe other bloggers can help. Ask @Fatbastard, @ATLSD or @YGBKM.
      But she has closed down al lot.

      • DamnVixen says:

        Thanks Elaine for clarifying.

      • JoeF says:

        Thank you Elaine, that explains a lot.

        Think I remember you from last time I was here.

        I see that Josh and Fundude is still around, is Sexyrockstar still around also? Think that was her name, from Chicago or Detroit? Had a picture with a guitar for her profile?

      • elaine says:

        @JoeF

        No, @Sexy has left the building…. unfortunally @Russian @ONSB @Struggles @YKBKM and a lot of others stopped, or only post scarcely.

      • JosephF says:

        Thank you Elain

        Did it end well for sexy at least? Seem to remember she had an SD that was married (Rocker)?

  28. Anonymous says:

    @Fundude

    “Im actually shocked Josh was dumb enough to believe her bullshit stories lol

    He found her to be a “valuable” contributor lol

    I have mostly lost all respect for Josh’s opinion after that one”

    @DamnVixen is LOT more entertaining than you still. 😉

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Anonymous
      FunDude will be off the site for the day, and return this evening – as he graciously announced this morning.

  29. DamnVixen says:

    @Another Anonymous
    Why wouldn’t the allowance be indexed (to some extent) to the SD’s disposable income? Isn’t that exactly what occurs? Wealthier SDs pay higher allowances. A married SD with a wife and children is going to have less money available for sugar, than the bachelor – all other factors being equal.

    It doesn’t mean the SB should be entitled to that percentage, but I’m trying to find a ball-park range, after taxes, of what % disposable income he will be willing to spend. 1/4 was an unreasonable figure, but I used it for an illustration of how it would work under the most conceivably “generous” circumstances of SD who fit the “average” SA member.

    We’re not even taking into account that if the SD/SB relationship involves ANYTHING outside of the bedroom, that the SD will also have “entertainment” expenses. We’ve seen the discussions of the SDs who think that the entertainment budget should be considered part of the “lifestyle budget” (as they are now calling it).

    • DamnVixen says:

      To clarify … my purpose is basically to “reign in” the expectations of the SBs who think that they are going to get a $5,000 month allowance out of a married man who earns $250k.

      It’s not even reasonable. And any profile that claims that, can’t even be taken seriously.

      • SugarD says:

        Amen DV ! Encouraging a reasonable expectation in the SB mindset is a valuable contribution . SDs cover all socioeconomic strata and as such can afford what they can. Realize that $600 /month might not be your cup-a-tea ,it might be for the college girl who wants Spring Break money or a clothes budget. Everyone gets fixated on a comprehensive support program.

      • George says:

        Quite right, their expectations need to be pulled down to reality.

        SBs will get lucky once in a while and hook up with a ball player or rock star and think they deserve $10k/month. Their SD may not remember their name. And ask why for so much, they aren’t still together and it is silence.

        A wife gets first crack at a monthly allowance, and if a SB is getting x, expect the wife to get 5x or more without question.

        If there is a good personal relationship that is based on mutual respect, the couple genuinely like each other, and the SD actively helps the SB to achieve her goals in life, then $800 to $1,200 per month is appropriate. The farther one gets from that, to a more demanding SD and less mutual affection, the dollars will go up.

        When you get a text, be at his house within the hour, don’t see anyone else, be treated like dirt, and give the porn star experience, you’ll get more.

      • TVC 15 says:

        Be treated like dirt? Wtf?

      • Anonymous says:

        @TVC

        This troll George is trolling hard. He’s a lunatic with no prior experience to sugar. Lol

    • Another anonymous says:

      @ DV

      Sure. Wealthier guys pay higher allowances but it stands to reason that in general they do so for higher quality SBs, however the quality is defined. And of course if necessary they can outbid the rivals. But it is hard to believe that the SAME SB should and will be able to get a substantially higher allowance from a millionare unless she manages to make herself unique, which is a tall order for majority of SBs.

      Comparing it to hotels, true millionaries probabaly spend more on hotels than guys with modest incomes, but it stands to reason they sleep in better rooms. At least up until know I have not heard about a hotel chain than upcharges guests for being millionaires. :-)

      • ks says:

        Agreed, indexing it to wealth should work both ways if that was to be the criteria. I cannot imagine a young beautiful SB indexing to someone with a small weekly paycheck. Therefore, Indexing has nothing to do with pricing. SB might be able to negotiate more with a wealthy SD as he has more disposable income, but its still an arrangement between two parties. Whatever both are happy with.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        The discussion wasn’t about correlating the quality of SB to the amount of the allowance … that’s FunDude’s obsession.

        The discussion was about how much disposable income a man has, based on different circumstances, that he will be willing to spend on “sugar.” Thereby determining the “range” that SBs (in general, not ONE in particular) should expect. So that expectations do not exceed what is reasonable.

        Consider it this way. If 10 men have $3000 available for an allowance each month. The 10 men are of different ages, levels of attractiveness:

        – one short, fat, 50, bald, stinky
        – one tall, athletic, handsome
        – one average in all ways

        That $3000 is going to get them a different quality of girl. Capiche?

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ DV

        Yes, sure. Your example is actually FunDude’s logic applied in opposing direction. If the allowance is fixed at 3k, then a fat guy in his 50s with attract less desirable ladies than an olympic athlete. Nobody disputes that. In order to be able to compete with the Olympic athlete the less desirable guy will have to increase his offer. On the other hand if the 50 y/o unattractive guy has a wide range of allowances in his budegt, he can get an subpar SB for very little, average SB for medium and supermodel quality for very high payment. Basically the amount of allowance closely correlate with the difference in overall desirability between SB and SD.

        It sounds so much like the sexual market value theory, that I am even afraid to say it here. :-)

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        I know, that’s exactly what I was doing, repeating FunDude’s “logic” to illustrate why the discussion of the quality of the SB was not the point.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        THE POINT was to arrive at a reasonable “sugar budget” based on the disposable income of the Sugar Daddy.

        You kept going back to the quality of the Sugar Baby. So I illustrated the same dollar amount, among different men, got a different quality Sugar Baby – we know. That is FunDude’s obsession. That was NOT what I was discussing.

    • Another anonymous says:

      @ DV

      Actually I do not know what an average SA member is. But let us talk a guy who sits rather reasonably in life and would be viewed as a prime target by vast majority of SBs.

      The assumption is about 500k in earned income, still building his assets, no alimony/family (a rare bird indeed). After maxing out all of his retirement and other tax advantaged accounts, he probably brings home well below 30k. Unless he is a complete fool, there is a lot to invest into, he is left say with 20k (foolishly high btw).

      It stands to reason that a potential SD is used to treat himself well in other areas of life, having a SB is not typical for ascetics. So I would venture to say that after mortgage, car payment, boat payment, club fees, clothing, high end food and beverage budget and few others he is deep down below 10k in entertainment funds.

      And here comes the catch, an eligible bachelor making 500k who is really interested in long-term monogamous relationship is somewhat unlikely to start looking at SA, there is A LOT of ladies interested in him in real life. So who do we have here? A guy who is used to treat himself well with no interest in long-term relationships, thus a prime material to split his entertainment budget between two SBs. So even this guy is in reality operating with the lifestyle budget below 5k a month per SB, barely 2k per month in real allowance after his and her expenses are counted.

      Somewhat sobering calculations, I know.

      • Anonymous says:

        We are talking eligible bachelors who are mature or older, not young guys who can get girls irl. And most of the bachelors, intend to stay that way, hence coming to sugar for an nsa arrangement.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        The Seeking Arrangement symposium and other articles claim the “average” man on the site is 40 with a stated income of $250k (I personally think that’s significantly distorted by the men who lie – I’d bet it’s closer to $150 in reality). 1/3 are married.

        A man with $500k/mo income and no wife/children would be like finding a needle in a haystack.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon 10:46am

        Mature or older gentlemen would most likely have wife or ex-wife(ves) and child support payments.

      • George says:

        I always find it amusing how some pot SBs refuse to consider married guys, when much of the time, “single” here means he is lying or if not, one has to wonder why, if he is so financially capable, he does not have a whole line of single women happy to bed him without an allowance.

        It is trivial to get high quality women for a successful single man, regardless of his age.

        The trade off for married guys is that the girl knows the relationship is not leading to marriage, and therefore, an allowance is appropriate.

      • Anonymous says:

        @George

        If you want to cheat on your wife, be honest and find the ones who are willing to be home wreckers.

      • SugarD says:

        homewreckers ? The idea of Sugar Dating is not to wreck the home .

      • Anonymous says:

        SugarD,

        No the idea of SA is you being fulfilled in the ‘other areas’ because your wife won’t put out and you cannot divorce because you would be crushed in the court.

  30. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Anonymous

    Of course each arrangement is different. But some are more frequent than others. At the end it depends on your patience and number of messages. But hoping for 15k a month from an Olympic athlete or having a super model SB for $100 a month might take a long wait.

  31. you girls are awesome says:

    SA girls are awesome!!! Girl 1: Law student from another country. We have wine, we get along great. I kiss her a few times (oh, why not)…then I suggest going back to my place. Puts her arm in mine as we walk back…we’re naked within 5 mins. A gorgeous well shaped D rack. I tell her to get on her knees, she complies:)…we end up in bed…I am literally shoving my cock so hard into her mouth her head is bouncing on the bed. The story has a happy ending:)….Girl 2: Says she’s a law student, I doubt this as she doesn’t know what ACP means when we message on SA. But we plan to meet for coffee. She’s in hotel lobby, we meet. She’s says something sweet, so what the hell, I kiss her. That’s within 30 secs of meeting. She wants to talk about the arrangement, I say I can’t do that here, let’s go to my room. In the room, we do some deep French:). I tell her that I’d love to see her on her knees. Even though we’ve discussed nothing, she says ok and gets down on her knees so I unfurl my member…and she makes me happy. All that within 15 mins of meeting.. Girl 3: Gymnastics coach. Real sweet heart, we have a great time at dinner. We kiss…ask her back to my place, she places her arm in mine on the walk back….We kiss back in the room, she takes her clothes off…she’s such a pretty blonde from Utah (yeah, Mormon!). Proceeds to demonstrate the split while I’m on top and other feats of flexibility:). Ends up spending the night. This all happened in a span of 48h.

    I’m actually in my 50’s (I might look late 40’s at best) these girls are in their 20s. I was good looking when I was younger, but hey I aged so I can’t say I’m some hot dude (and I’m not all that tall either). I do look fit and still have hair. That and a personality are mainly what I have going for me. All I can say is there must be a lot of girls wanting a man to talk to…because girl 1 and 3 actually didn’t want anything from me! (and they are not ugly, I only message the cute girls on SA). You girls rock!!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      Thank you for sharing your sexual release story and fantasy here. Next time try to sound more credible.

      In other news, I have a bridge to sell to you in Brooklyn and it comes with a flying unicorn. Interested?

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        Apparently the law students in Europe are so desperate for male affection, they meet men 20+ years older than them and have sex with them within 10 minutes of meeting.

        Sugar Daddies … You better ask what country “You Girls” is getting all this booty from. You’re wasting your time in the USA.

      • you girls are awesome says:

        Right here in sunny California, sweetie. You seem quite jaded, Vixen. Your name in itself suggests how you look at this all wrong. Basically you’re trying to hook yourself out.

      • Anonymous says:

        Lol I guess some people have a reading comprehension problem, hence the name seeking arrangement.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @YouGirls
        Read the articles and discussions among members about how “sugar dating” is supposed to work: The parties know each other are and intend to establish a long-term relationship where financial support is a key factor of the relationship.

        Not – people having sex within minutes of meeting – with or without $$$ exchanged.

        That’s not “jaded” – that is the very definition of this site.

        Coming to the blog to boast about your sexual exploits, and brag about how you didn’t have to pay the girls is not going to be welcomed by the audience here. (Except a handful of trolling men, who come to this site to call the women whores.)

      • you girls are awesome says:

        Vixen– what the girls wanted to do was up to them. Clearly you see men as a transaction. These girls wanted a friend. You can’t be such a misandrist that you can only see men as money objects?

      • SSSD says:

        @DV

        Those girls were obviously not whores. They were probably too new to sugar dating and too shy to negotiate a price for their time. The original poster was not necessarily lying. I have run into situations like this when the girl really clicked with me, and no negotiation took place before two people jumped each other’s bones. I usually slip a few hundred to a thousand dollars into her purse discretely afterwards, and let her decide if she’d like to meet again.

        @ YouGirlsAreAwesome

        You should have rewarded them generously even when they did not ask explicitly. You could have had one or two devoted SB’s seeing you regularly. Perhaps not too late yet: instead of bragging here on the blog and drawing ire from the “pro SB’s,” you might want to focus on how to meet them again and give to them the gifts that you forgot to give them the first time around.

        @ Girls new to this game in general

        No, this is not the recommended way of playing. Negotiate ahead of time. However, if you find someone really attractive, and want to find out if he is “gentleman” enough to reward you without being asked (as in only the real generous gentleman is worthy of you), and don’t mind if he doesn’t as the price for him nexting himself, well.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @you girls
        Did you miss the fact that this site is about “transactional” relationships?

        Does the meaning of the words “mutually beneficial” that are repeated everywhere, have any meaning to you?

        Do you believe it is “mutually beneficial” to these beautiful young law students to have sex with a man more than 20 years older than them, within minutes of a first meet, when he’s boinking three of them in a 48 hour period?

        Lord PLEASE tell me you were using condoms, which I doubt.

        These “girls wanted a friend” … hmmm.
        – They don’t have men their own age to have sex with?
        – They don’t have tons of professors and advisers in law school?
        – You are so special, that three women in succession, have sex with you in 48 hours expecting nothing in return?

        At this point, we know that you know what this site is about. You can’t continue to play dumb.

        Look up the terms Sugar Daddy and Sugar Baby – the ones that are used on this site. Then continue to try to pretend that you didn’t understand that this is what the site is about and that you didn’t just scam three women on the site in 48 hours.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @SSSD
        (I still suspect scammers hoping to roofie and roll a guy when they have sex with him within minutes and don’t ask for money.)

        But yes … you are likely right, they probably are not “experienced whores” … but by banging this guy within minutes of meeting him without discussing any ongoing arrangement and allowance, they made a marginal first try at being one.

        This guy isn’t even legit in coming to a site that uses the terms “sugar daddy” and “sugar baby” to describe the members, and pretend that he doesn’t understand the meaning of the terms or the purpose of the site.

      • TVC 15 says:

        I wish I had a dollar for every guy who’s pretended not to know this is a sugar site, in hopes I won’t ask for anything. And I don’t; I just don’t have sex with them. Still, it’s not inconceivable that the approach may work with some.

      • Anonymous says:

        Vixen– what the girls wanted to do was up to them. Clearly you see men as a transaction. These girls wanted a friend. You can’t be such a misandrist that you can only see men as money objects?

        A friend? Lol then why did you have sex with them supposedly?

        We could also say the same for you, you’re a mysogynist for seeing women as a sex object, you should have given them 20k in money for a platonic arrangement and be done with it but the fact remains this is a sugar daddy site not bp, not okc, not pof. Unmeaningful hotel sex once breaks that thin border between prostitution and the sugarbowl.

      • SSSD says:

        Most young girls have no intention of becoming “experienced whores.” They approach it just like regular dating, except hoping the guy would be gentleman enough to meet their financial needs without talking about it.

        Not talking about what each other’s expectations are ahead of time is a bad idea, and prone to lead to misunderstandings. Given the misleading marketing by SA, what an SD considers reasonably generous from experience may well be considered “so little” and “disappointing” in the eyes of a new SB hoping for what SA told her. Not having an arrangement between the two to begin with would be better than if the two consummate first then find out they do not meet each other’s financial expectations.

        Then again, it’s no worse than two kids having passionate sex with each each other at a frat house party, which passes for norm on college campuses nowadays.

      • TVC 15 says:

        Yes, it is worse. There’s a chance the frat guy may not be deliberately trying to take advantage.

      • Anonymous says:

        @TVC

        Then you should stick to your frat guys. What planet are you on, TVC? The frat houses are all about getting “pussies” for nothing! If anything, most of the scams on the men side in the sugar bowl are the frat buys invading the sugar bowl.

      • TVC 15 says:

        So you think it’s wrong for a frat boy to get pussy for nothing, but it’s better for a 50-year-old SA scammer to do the same? What planet are YOU on?

      • Anonymous says:

        @TVC

        Did you ever think it is like the same 20-something year old guy getting “pussy” for nothing in both instances?

        You were the one who claimed one venue is better than the other. If you truly believe that, stick with the frat houses, and you’d be a lot happier. LOL!

      • you girls are awesome says:

        Fascinating, there’s a whole cadre of regular blog posters here. I was originally motivated to write my post merely to share my good fortune and story that love:) doesn’t have to die if you’re getting up in your 50’s. You, too, can feel appreciated again courtesy of SA. And I see now how @DamnVixen, the defender of the SB vagina, the Miss Manners of SD:SB etiquette, hijacked that narrative to condemn any male that might get a free ride from a girl, damn that any girl should have any free will, lest the foundation of sugardom come down.

        First, I did offer to “help” Girl 1 and 3. Girl 1 refused! That’s the second time this happened to me. Guess Girl 1 didn’t want to accept money for sex, at least from me. I still don’t quite get why hanging out with a dude 20+ years older meant something to her, but it did. Girl 2 must love giving BJ’s. It didn’t more than a mere male fantasy suggestion before she said “take it out” (yeah, I was pretty astonished) and then she went on her way. Girl 3, what a sweet doll, accepted my “help.”

        My encounters renew my faith in one of the cores of human interaction– we don’t pay to have friends, they are our friends because they like us. For all you girls that wonder how that could happen– yeah, I’m looking at you DamnVixen (it’s fun that your name can be used as a a perjorative), there are girls who are genuinely looking for both a mentor and someone they can relate to.

    • ks says:

      I only have dreams like that…I must be doing something wrong…

    • DamnVixen says:

      @YouJohn
      Congratulations, you found one prostitute and two scammers on SA who were gathering your credit card/personal information from your wallet after they had sex with you. Go check your accounts.
      ***SMH***
      I bet the girls’ side of the story was that they had sex with this guy and he stiffed them.

      • you girls are awesome says:

        It’s all true!!! I even left out the more explicit details. I can’t believe this happened. And Vixen, I never bring my wallet with me. It’s always in the safe. And none of them were hookers. I found girl 1 and 2 on FB and Linkedin, their stories matched. Girl 3 could not have faked the gymnastics flexiblity.

      • you girls are awesome says:

        I didn’t stiff them. I appreciated they wanted nothing, made me think they actually valued being with me as opposed to fucking me for cash.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @YouJohn
        Because women come to this site to have sex with much older men, on the first date, having no expectations of their own.

        – You’ve either completely scammed these women.
        – Or you are just writing erotica.
        – Nobody on this blog will believe these young girls you met on the site are having sex with you for the joy of sex. We have been around here for too long.
        – Look for your profile name on the “Scam Confessions” page in upcoming weeks.

      • Anonymous says:

        There is no story to this, as it’s fake. Faker than Beyonce’s hair.

      • you girls are awesome says:

        I wasn’t inspired to suddenly write fictional erotica. I’m more writing in the vein of “how the hell did this happen to me, am I lucky or what?” I just can’t believe my last 48h. But I’m also writing bc I do think there are girls out there that basically want attention. Yes, even if it’s a 20+ year older guy (actually almost 32+ in the case of girl 3).

      • TVC 15 says:

        And God knows it’s difficult for beautiful women in their 20’s to get male attention. I hope they were properly grateful for yours.

      • Anonymous says:

        Haha TVC, indeed

      • you girls are awesome says:

        Girl 3 was talking about how she is hit on frequently (cute blonde, of course that happens). But it’s nothing of substance, just your standard SoCal-boy-toy-I’m-a-hot-dude-so-do-me. It’s not the attention, it’s the substance they seek.

    • Anon says:

      Surely this is just @FD teasing all the lovely SB’s here

      • Anonymous says:

        I think so too. But how desperate does one have to be to make this shit up.

      • you girls are awesome says:

        Lol! I didn’t pop out of thin air to write fiction. I know what happened, and to all you SD’s, may you have similar luck one day (or 48h as it were).

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anon
        The language of the writing is far to “cheerful” to be FunDude. If you haven’t noticed, his writing is extremely robotic and never displays emotion or excitement. I don’t think he could write something “cheerful” if he tried.

        He most certainly couldn’t write “erotica” since he’s an out-right prude who “shames” women who have had more than one or two sex partners.

      • Anonymous says:

        “Lol! I didn’t pop out of thin air to write fiction. I know what happened, and to all you SD’s, may you have similar luck one day (or 48h as it were).”

        If this were a “regular” dating site, it would be luck. On SA, this is exploitation and deceit.

    • Anonymous says:

      You girls, what you have described above is exploitation of young female students. It is unfortunately there is no delete option here, or I would highly advise you to use it.

      Reconsider your actions. Karma is quite a difficult entity to owe.

  32. DamnVixen says:

    @Dash ROFLMAO!!
    My opinion – shop together (online or in a store). If she has anything of her own she wants to bring, bring it.

    An inexpensive toy or something that is a definite lady-pleaser, like the Hitatchi Wand – just buy it. The ladies will be grateful forever. A more specialized toy or bondage gear, definitely involve her in the purchase.

    ********
    “Don’t judge. After a few weeks with the Dr Joel Prostate Massager you be ready to step up to the Dr Joel Hamster Cannon.”

    “Ok so here’s a serious question. Are the SD’s supposed to bring this stuff? I mean things like a vibrator or whatever you’d leave that to the SB to pick out what she likes, I think that’s obvious enough. Outfits, blindfolds and all that though maybe shop online together after talking about it?”

  33. Another Anonymous says:

    Somebody here suggested that the reasonable rule of thumb for allowance in a given area is the rent plus utilities for a one bedroom apartment. It seems rational unlike asking for 25+% of SD’s income.

    • Anonymous says:

      There’s no rule of thumb. Each arrangement is different. That is like saying the ideal arrangement is a college SB with a tuition. You find what’s reasonable to you, not others.

    • SugarD says:

      I pay what I can afford -irrespective of what an Sb’ s “needs” are . Needs tend to be wants for the most part anyway .

    • George says:

      That is not far off from being reasonable.

      No one is getting 25% of my income except my wife. Now, if polygamy were legal, we could talk….

      • Anonymous says:

        Then don’t go looking for an SB. You seem content with your wife, and she’s doing nothing while getting that 25% while the SB is at your disposal and gets way less.

  34. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Anonymous

    1/4 of the posttax income of a bachelor is too low?

    That is simply a laughable proposition. That is like saying a bachelor should spend 20% of his income on cars even if he is contend driving a badly banged second hand Ford Focus. A potential SB is marginally insane if she is indexing the allowance to pot SD income.

  35. DamnVixen says:

    @Jaybird – Info from the last Sugar Baby Summit:
    Average Member of Site: 40 years old, $250,000 income
    Advice from SA at Summit:
    **Put 10 percent of all Sugar Baby earnings into a savings account every month.
    **Make sure you have a six-month cushion to protect yourself if your Sugar Daddy suddenly dumps you, financial adviser Chris Cooke said.

    Where’s the person to do the calculations of how the man’s income, marital status, kids, and other factors, correlate to how much he pays monthly for “sugar?”

    $250,000 income = @$13,000 take-home pay per month.

    I don’t see a SD giving a SB 1/2 of his take-home pay, or even 1/4. Sugar Daddies correct me if I’m wrong.

    If it is 1/4 – that’s @$3,000.
    She puts $300 away a month into savings.
    She accumulates a 6-month cushion in how long saving $300/month? (Assuming she is now dependent on the extra $2,700/month.)
    $2,700 x 6 months = $16,200 needs to be saved.
    $16,200 / $300 saved per month = 54 months … or 4.5 years.

    I don’t care how much money you receive, you can’t save 10% a month and accumulate a six month cushion. It isn’t logical.

    A SB would have to learn to make-do on half the money she receives, and put the other half aside – if she puts herself into a “dependency” situation.

    Why to they bother trying to even pretend they are giving financial advice?

    • Anonymous says:

      1/4 is too low for a Sb to earn from a Sd if he’s a bachelor. If you’re looking to get an Sb which is mostly a luxury and not a necessity you should be prepared to spend more. Of course it all depends on the arrangement and the Sb. Some want more, some need and want way less.

      Maybe it isn’t logical by your calculations, because you calculated it wrong to begin with?

      • Anonymous says:

        Keep dreaming. Other hustlers, like bankers, realtors, car dealers, fashion merchandisers, hobby shops and investment advisors have long beaten you to the guy with that kind of cash flow. Most if not all of them have legal contractual obligations from the guy to pay them every month.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        On that article the site says that 1/3 of the men on SA are married.
        It doesn’t say how many have kids, but I’d have to imagine at least half. If divorced, that means – child support. That takes up a significant chunk of change.

        Good luck to SBs finding an SD on this site, with no wife/ex-wife or children he is also supporting – in some fashion.

        I’m wondering if this @Anonymous 8:28 is a SB? Because most SDs attitudes are for “getting the most for their money” … not being prepared to spend more money on a SB because it is a luxury?

        My personal thoughts, I don’t see an SD really wanting to part, for the long-term, with any more than about 15-20% of his take-home pay at most.

      • Anonymous says:

        There is absolutely zero doubt that an Anon at 8.28 is an escort or a “pro sb”.

      • Anonymous says:

        I actually agree to some extent with Anon above. There are all kinds of arrangement and you judt have to find the most suitable one. You cannot generalize or have a rule of thumb, everything is relative. I don’t think what anon wrote consitutes anything pro, to the contrary it shows that paying more means less or no SD’s for the SB, long term exclusivity and content.

      • Anonymous says:

        When I first came on this site, I was earning around $75,000. That is considered quite comfortable in my area. Now, I’m earning more than twice that; however, I still gift my Babies exactly the same amount that I did back then. The only difference now is that for the right girl I “may” be willing to throw in another $1K in addition to what I already give. I have not found a girl worthy of this yet, but I am willing.

        Some will call me a fool, but back then (just looking at it quickly) I guess I was giving my Baby somewhere close or exceeding 50% of my income. I never mathematically worked it out to a percentage because that was not important. I sat down and figured out what I could afford and went from there.

        Before anyone starts, yes, that was possible for me because everything I own I genuinely own and it is all fully paid for. Also, I’m single with no children and am not one to spend money to impress others. Most people do not even know I have money, and would I prefer to keep it that way.

        I feel that it is completely unreasonable for anyone to expect that just because you are now earning more, you should now spend more on a Baby. This is the same trap people fall into time and time again in other financial areas of their lives. The more they earn, the more they spend. You never stay ahead like this. This does not function.

      • Anonymous says:

        “Keep dreaming. Other hustlers, like bankers, realtors, car dealers, fashion merchandisers, hobby shops and investment advisors have long beaten you to the guy with that kind of cash flow. Most if not all of them have legal contractual obligations from the guy to pay them every month.”

        If one has such a superb cash flow, they should not end up in legal contractual obligations with ANY of the entities listed above, especially lol bankers, fashion merchandisers, and hobby shops. Those are laughable.

      • Anonymous says:

        Which part of “most” don’t you understand? Hobbies can including yachting and country club membership among others. Bankers finance all sorts of investments as well as toys and trophy possessions, at rates far below what a competent man can generate via ROI.

        There are also other monthly budget outlays and personal preferences that take priority over sugaring when budgeting, especially given that quality and price are not correlated in the sugar bowl.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am uncertain. What part of “obligations” are unclear to you, specifically?

        “Bankers finance all sorts of investments…”

        The key word above is “finance”. I believe finance contradicts adequate cash flow. I do not believe one should ever spend money they do not possess. This is the way I was taught.

        I believe you and I are in completely different mindsets or at least moderately different lifestyles. Because of this, it’s unlikely that we will be able to relate to one another.

        We can agree to disagree. At least, this is what I shall do.

      • George says:

        “1/4 is too low for a Sb to earn from a Sd if he’s a bachelor”

        I think you have a SB confused with a wife.

      • Anonymous says:

        @George

        Unfortunately wives do get more than SBs for doing nothing.

    • Dash says:

      Average SB is not doing this full time I would imagine. An extra 2-3k a month is a LOT of side hustle money for the time spent. 10% is a minimum that it sounds like they just extrapolated from some standard 401k savings template based on age.

      Since most save 0, 10% is a step in the right direction.

      If ramen profitable for you is $2000 a month, and an SD is giving you 2k, you still need to work, that extra should all be saved til you have a runway long enough to find something else should you lose one of your income streams.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Dash
        That’s exactly what the 10% advice is – retirement savings.

        Good luck getting any SB to save any of the money. It’s completely inconsistent with any of the motives for baiting girls into the SD lifestyle.

    • WTF says:

      @DV impressive calculations up there looks like you are not just a pretty face, one thing I don’t understand is that why constantly debate with ppl hey as long as you know what you are doing and it is going well be happy and forget what anyone else thinks of you as long as your sd is happy and you are happy with him

      • DamnVixen says:

        @WTF
        Just “paying it forward.”
        When I first came to the site and didn’t know what to expect, I came to the blog, read the posts, saw Elaine’s posts and we corresponded. I found her to be a good resource of information. Came back here to try to do the same for others. Especially since there are so many young women who don’t have the added life experience I had when I first arrived.

        But of course – the attacks constantly rage against Elaine and I. Everything we write is a lie. We are jealous and trying to eliminate the competition. Words attributed to you that you never said.

        You find yourself “responding” so that whomever might not be familiar with the players, won’t get the impression when they first start reading that the “Alphas” are even reasonable or normal people.

        And as George Carlin warned: “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

        I end up looking like a moron for responding. (Still, I hate a bully and I just can’t seem to stop myself some days.)

      • DamnVixen says:

        – and the calculations aren’t impressive
        – that’s not even formulating any kind of a reasonable budget, just an illustration that the “advice” the Seeking Arrangement symposium provided was moronic.

        But you see what is happening. They inflate the expectations of the SBs so that many will flock to the site hoping to hit the “lottery” and advise them how to put pictures/create profiles that will satisfy the SDs. They market the high F:M ratio to bring in more men, especially in the lower-level income ranges.

        In reality, the men who are continuously looking for “escort” type sex, $200/encounter, anonymously – are the site’s bread and butter. (And we women can all confirm that we are inundated with these “offers.”) Those men stay on the site a long time.

        That’s probably why the girl with the 50 Sugar Daddies, who sometimes sees 5 a day, was so proudly featured at the last symposium.

        I tend to be a bit dubious about whether a man with a significant amount of disposable income for an Arrangement ($3000-5000/mo) sticks around this site for 6 months, a year, longer … “seeking the right one.” I’d imagine they’d get frustrated and leave after a few months, or settle for the best option.

  36. elaine says:

    “This is when I wonder WHY an SD would want to be with an SB who is ashamed for him to know her real name”

    I wonder how any man can enjoy being with a any girl who is ashamed for him….

    I remember when I was pregnant my stepfather (+25 y.) accompanied me to hospital for a routine check as my husband was abroad and my mum was sick and in the hospital.
    The staff asked something that made clear they thought he was my husband, and I didn’t know how fast to correct them, as I felt ashamed as hell they were thinking that!

    Dunno, probably it’s just me..

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Elaine
      I believe I made some SDs really angry when I wrote that, when the SD said his SB didn’t even want him to know her last name.

      Too many red-flags there.

    • Dash says:

      First name I agree, last name is a bigger step. Might take a while to get there when you’re trying to be discreet.

      The young lady I am seeing again tonight texted me asking if it was ok to kiss in public. But I don’t know her last name… or come to that I guess I have no proof of her first either beyond her word! But obviously she’s digging me because I am so witty, dashing and handsome (paying $$$)

  37. Jaybird923 says:

    Almost that time of year again…. seeking arrangement party time! This year it’s in LA. Can’t wait for this year’s media coverage always the best part.

    • ks says:

      Are you going? I used to live in LA, but only visit periodically now.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        No Sir, you couldn’t pay me to go to one of SA’S parties/events. If you want some entertainment look up some of the coverage from last years event. They had a sugar baby summit where one of the special guest speaker was some chick with 50 “SDs” was teaching others how to be as successful as she is lol.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        [http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/sugar-daddy-school-summit-shows-women-hook-rich-men-article-1.2257220]

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Jaybird
        That 50 SD sugar-baby was unbelievable, eh? Got her picture “took” and everything. I’m wondering if she staff to set appointments, sext and vet profiles for her. Needless to say, even in NY, I’d believe she had SCREWED 50 from SA. Don’t believe she has any ongoing arrangement with 50 at once.

        Do you think that THIS time, SA will be a bit more careful about the members who are interviewed? They only have to check that girl’s profile to see whether what she is saying is true.

        Either way, it reflects really badly on the site.

      • DamnVixen says:

        She looks so proud!

      • DamnVixen says:

        “Chelsie” from Las Vegas – 50 SDs, sometimes seeing 5 in a day (we know that ain’t lunch).

        Why doesn’t she just go to work in one of the legal brothels and call a spade a spade? I understand they make a lot more.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        No they won’t be more careful. This is what they always do. There is never any positive media coverage of SA. Instead of realizing it’s hurting their brand they seem to be of th3 belief that any publicity is good publicity.

        No one of quality is willing to be publicly associated with SA. The only people they can get to speak up for them are the bottom of the barrel members. I believe they get paid $300 to go on tv shows and be interviewed for articles. If you pay attention you’ll notice they recycle the same people over and over for different things.

        SA is supposed to be an exclusive niche market and their continual attempts to make it mainstream is responsible for the drop in quality.

      • KS says:

        LOL I never knew. But some of the cliches have a ring of truth…”They want a freak in the sheets but a lady in the streets.”

      • elaine says:

        @ Jay

        Second that!

        And as far as the “SB’ with 50 “SD’s”, c’mon…..she is just a hooker with a client list!

      • elaine says:

        Now I am getting confused, is @KS a SD or an SB?

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Elaine
        KS is an SD
        @Jaybird
        It’s apparent that the people attending these events are either clueless and trying to learn (and if you look at the “advice” rendered, it’s useless); OR there to “BRAG” about how well they are doing.

        Seriously, if an SD paid off your $35k debt for Valentine’s Day, why would you go to an SA conference to learn more? You’re obviously doing ok.

      • Anonymous says:

        Good catch, Elaine, ks is a woman pretending to be an SD.

      • elaine says:

        Well, I have never doubted he was an SD, but because someone mentioned him in a list of with only SB’s, I thought I might had had missed something.

        NOT because I think he is a woman posting as a man!
        Let that be clear!

      • ks says:

        Definitely SD…I pay and I don’t receive anything other than love and gratitude…

        There can be some embarrassment both ways if there is a large age gap, but after a while you get over it. Celebrities seem to take it in their stride… look at Rupert Murdoch and Jerry Hall she is only 25 years his junior whilst when he was married to Wendi Deng and she was 38 years his junior. Seems the Dirty Digger is going for older women in his old age…

  38. ks says:

    I noticed from DVs comment trying to get us to discuss fetishes, kinks, etc that we all were mostly hesitant. I normally do not bring those things up straight away unless it was mentioned in her profile she likes to experiment and then in person I discuss further. Mostly things start off vanilla and after a while of getting used to one another, only then does the subject come up. No bad experiences, only some time figuring out where it goes and how to use it due to the lack of experience or instructions…Where to get stuff? Ebay? Amazon? Local specialty shop? Or online?

    • Dash says:

      Yeah Amazon has plenty of that sort of thing, and it’s a big market. They keep it segregated to a degree but if you search you can find stuff easily enough.

      I’m the same though, start off with the fundamentals and then work up to more complexity hah.

      • ks says:

        Yeah, and some of the reviews on Amazon can be quite hilarious. Even if you don’t have any intent to buy the reviews alone can be worth a visit.

      • Dash says:

        Haha definitely. I saw one dude mention he got his wife this dong so she’d leave him alone. 5 stars!

    • DamnVixen says:

      @KS
      Depends on your comfort with going to the adult stores. There you can see the product in person, sometimes they will put batteries in so you can see how it works. Some stores, the boxes are sealed and they won’t open them to let you see the product.

      If you already KNOW what you want to get, Amazon has most. The reliable ones everyone likes: Hitatchi Magic Wand, the Rabbit, the WeVibe, Dr. Joel Kaplan Prostate Massager.

      • ks says:

        The last time I visited an adult shop they had a nice young lady serving and she helped explain some of the stuff, not so much what it does for me, but what it can do for some females… just explaining it to me was turning me on…she made good sales commission that day, so probably better off shopping online just remember to hide your purchase history from prying eyes.

      • Dash says:

        Seeing it in person is an advantage for some stuff. Others the reviews and the ability to quickly look up the benefits/drawbacks objectively is so helpful. Do you want rubber, silicone, latex? Water or oil based? Do I really need something that has a “jackhammer” setting?

        Also might come across something you’d never have searched for but catches your eye. “Slave Leia costume with manacles? Sold!”

        I’d say do both I guess.

      • Anonymous says:

        Prostate massager? Hell to the no

      • Dash says:

        Don’t judge. After a few weeks with the Dr Joel Prostate Massager you be ready to step up to the Dr Joel Hamster Cannon.

      • Dash says:

        Ok so here’s a serious question. Are the SD’s supposed to bring this stuff? I mean things like a vibrator or whatever you’d leave that to the SB to pick out what she likes, I think that’s obvious enough. Outfits, blindfolds and all that though maybe shop online together after talking about it?

      • ks says:

        Outfits she can wear in the bedroom I tell her what I think she would look good in, hand over the funds and she goes shopping for next time…toys either way, but generally they prefer to have their own then they know they are “really clean”…

      • SugarD says:

        One of my senior SBs could not get enough nipple stim. She always wanted harder She had 36DDs with looong nipples . I bought a set of nipple clamps on a chain and pulled as hard as could could while pounding away. It made me cringe but she really liked it . Got it on Amazon

  39. Fundude says:

    I will be away from this blog for most of today. When I come back, I expect to see brilliant conversations concerning sugar reality.

    Considering Elaine, DV and Frankie are brilliant contributors to this blog, they surely will add dramatic value throughout the day in my absence.

    Lets see.

    • DamnVixen says:

      The discussions have been extremely pleasant and substantive in the absence of you, FatBastard, PastorDave, and your ilk.

      • Fundude says:

        Ok, we shall see.

        So far, during my last absence, the only conversations that occurred through your initiation included:

        1) How you stick your fingers in many different guys asses
        2) How you were diagnosed with HPV due to banging many guys, having short term relations, etc
        3) Some fanciful incoherent nonsense about your life. The only parts that are clearly true are that you were unable to get married and dropped out of law.

        I can’t think of much else lol

        Ok have a good day everyone. Im out of here till tonight!

      • DamnVixen says:

        Thought you were taking the day off.
        If I confess that EVERYTHING that you write about me is TRUE … will you please leave the blog forever?

        Is it because nobody will “friend” you on Facebook that you have to come to THIS forum to post political videos and articles and garbage that has nothing to do with sugar-dating or this site?

      • DamnVixen says:

        @FunDude
        None of your REAL friends around to give you advice on what kind of car to buy? Or whether leather is worth it?

        YW for that, BTW.

      • TVC 15 says:

        DV, to the extent that you continue responding to FD, his continued presence here is your fault.

  40. Anonymous says:

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  41. DamnVixen says:

    Does anyone know if this blog is auto-translating comments that people post in foreign languages? Some comments are so bizarre, there can’t be any other explanation. Examples from “A Beginner’s Guide” page:

    “Hello, its fastidious paragraph regarding media print, we all be familiar with media is a great source of data.”

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    • sugar baby monkey says:

      you said: “fundude lives here” but each time i come i just read your compulsive comments

      • Fundude says:

        We all know that Vixen lives some kind of fantasy online life. She is a White version of Kenna with less realistic sounding stories.

        At least Kenna was pretty sharp when she spoke about the University of Chicago MBA/PHD programs. Kenna clearly knew someone at that school because her knowledge was too specific. She also sounded like she knew finance.

        Vixen’s stories just sound like horse manure and are too illogical. The only parts I believe is that she dropped out of lawyer work for some reason.

        The rest of it is nonsense or highly exaggerated.

      • DamnVixen says:

        * The question was about whether the site is using some auto-translate program on the blog.

        * Fundude makes the same, verbatim personal attack, instead of making a substantive contribution.

    • elaine says:

      I asked myself the same, but it is bots, placing automatical messages to blogs.
      Sort of (ineffective) publicity.

      You find a lot of them on certain old blog topics.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Elaine
        I have no idea how “bots” like that work. They’re obviously ineffective, because they aren’t directing anyone to a particular site or product.

        It’d be nice if there was somebody with the technical knowledge who could explain something we all see in the blogs … instead of the same tired old trolls.

      • elaine says:

        Yes it’s ineffective, but they still seem to do it. It is only on some blogs, not all.
        Don’t remember who told me here, but I asked the same question, and this was the answer.

        It made sense to me :-)

  42. IHF2030 says:

    DV is delusional, and mentally unbalanced; and I said as much when she first migrated over here from aff. But some on here actually find her to be attractive and Zeus knows she brings the white knight/beta males like Josh and that Zito cat out of the woodworks. At least she provides some entertainment value.

  43. Fundude says:

    Does any SD actually believe Vixen’s convoluted story of wealth?

    The whole story strains credulity and got my spidey senses tingling.

  44. With a Bow on Top says:

    Back to the bickering I see

  45. Anonymous says:

    My ex SD had a small penis, but I would solicited him to others if need be in order to make him feel good about himself. God know his wife doesn’t want it and falls asleep on him. Isn’t this the same analogy as giving hits to almost expired members?

  46. Fundude says:

    LOL cool story on that

  47. Anonymous says:

    Men browse the pictures on SA, women read the stories and discussions here.

    Sex sells to men, money (how to make money) sells to women.

    Haven’t you noticed almost all sugar blogs on the web cater to women?

    The SD posters here give pointers to SB’s on topics that are unsuitable for communicating in person.

  48. SD experience in numbers says:

    Surge in messages before expiration:

    I read more than once that premium members noticed an increase in the contacts they get close to when their premium membership was about to expire. I just wanted to add my experience here that this also happened in my case.

    While the possibility that SA does that deliberately (with fake accounts) to give people an incentive to renew their membership, many of the messages close to expiration were meaningful and based on details of the profile so they cannot just be automated. I have no other explanation for such a surge, though.

    • TVC 15 says:

      Maybe they start featuring your profile on the page you see right after login, when it’s about to expire?

      • SD experience in numbers says:

        @TVC

        That makes sense!

      • DamnVixen says:

        @SD experience
        It’s been discussed several times now – they feature your profile on the home pages, and probably bump them up on the search results.

        I paid for a premium membership to see what kind of “extras” you got (nothing for SBs, except maybe featuring you occasionally on the home page – because I got a lot more email). Just before my membership expired, I got a ton of email.

        They weren’t “fake” profiles.

    • Dash says:

      Yeah they definitely have an algorithm for search and seem to show you to people they think you’d match with. I don’t think it’s very sophisticated at all, but the “feature this profile 3-5 days before expiration” seems to work fine. Probably a standard for membership sites.

  49. SD experience in numbers says:

    I am mostly a lurker, but I did post about my SD experience here recently as a way to pay back for the useful information I have found in previous blogs. That information reinforced and updated my own experience and made my SB search more effective.

    Although I don’t think this post will have much of an impact on the on-going flame wars, I wish the serious posters would have a “mental ignore” of the sub-par posters instead of engaging them (thus generating more flames which bury the worthwhile posts). The ignore would at least create a sub-thread of meaningful discourse that one can follow while scrolling without reading the posts from others.

  50. Anonymous says:

    I hope she takes her meds soon. This is the worst I’ve ever seen her.

  51. Anonymous says:

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  52. Dash says:

    Loud noises!
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  53. Anonymous says:

    Sorry guys, but eventual the bs of trying to respond via an apple phone and the slow connection speed, the misspelled words, the xonstNt irregular connection activity loses it moments that could be epic. It makes them lame, it makes them no longer desirable
    And certainly none of a of but more of deep, depressed couch. City. Let them give me something to smile about, or even my wireless provider, Lmethinf to Smile about and I wil communicate more. Fuxk, give me. Daddy that will make me. Ray of sunshine, who provide for options for a faster connection and a higher grade phone than I have, and I am all in. Other than that, it’s just bullshit promises that any women prior to me fall victim too and do not have enough self esteem to k is that they run thisuther fucker. As soon S they give in, fall inoce or like even, they just signed their death certificate. Ladie, don’t love, don’t want, do t care. Make them miss your pretty right ass and make them beg. Once you care, you are nothing more than a “trick” in their eyes. Do you really need any other memo? No, you don’t. Change your life and own it. lool at me. Like fun dude as losers who has a limp dink that couldn’t even get you off if he tried and you met Him in person. Then, it all stars to become clear. He has to be so damn co my because his mouth is all he has to work with. Brace yourself. Let him eat you out andwt the next man dick you down and serve you proper. Any questions? Of course not. It’s becoming common sense these days. Why do you think he is so bitter.

  54. Anonymous says:

    @ KS

    I never say a thing on this blog that I would not say in person to someone’s face. I can slowly lick my lips in extacsy to make an arrogant remark just as easy easy as I could lick my lips to bite my lower lip in a submissive fashion and welcome a man that could calm my sexual tension into a “yes. Daddy” mindset. The advantage is based upon the man’s approach and what he desires and wants, based on his mannerisms. He can teach me as well as he can be a student. Either way, he could away with the beSt night ever. I never said on the first night, I just said he could walk away with the best night ever. So, the pArticular night depends on him. Ever watch the movie “Temptation?” It will teach you that not every man that glitters is gold and not every man that has money is worth sleeping with.

    It takes time. IMHO, the guys that are worth the wait, wait for the ladies that are worth their weight in gold. I am never in a hurry. I have wanted to be an aggressor many times and I have let the moment pass and the. Have the man fall limp on purpose and try to revive the act itself. If he can’t, his mind is not in it, his goal is not long term and his Viagra is not in his pocket. If he cannot get it right, than neither can I. I sexy? You best believe I am. But, at its core, “game play” comes into play and I will do whatever it Takes to find out the man’s core reasoning. If he can pass the tests, he can stay. If not, then in his eyes, I will be. School
    Marm and I will loose no sleep when I lay my head down at night knowing I have taken advantage of keeping myself disease free. Even if others havelock me or even if the man says I am a dmRme me As I nPropriTe we partner to others, it makes me home in and feast my eyes even harder on the right man to feast my eyes upon and sink my eyes into and sail the seas as a SUCCESSFUL sugar ship. That is the difference.
    Why do I want to be laid and played? I know how to do the same to the men. It’s no more than row, row, row, your boat and lame, is the man stuck In a moat. Try, try, try you might… You can’t win, when a white comes by called a cruise…and in all else participants loose.

  55. ks says:

    Too much cyberstalking on this blog IMO. Free speech should be responsible speech. Say on the blog what you would be prepared to say face to face. I really don’t understand the need for repetitive personal harassment. [http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/federal.shtml]

    • elaine says:

      Weak males who lack self confidence have no other way to talk to women then what they have learned from their PUA books.
      So that’s how they treat women here on blog too, they don’t know any better and thrive on female attention.
      Safely hidden behind a screen, as in real life they wouldn’t have the guts.

      Like little boys nagging for their mum’s attention . Even negative attention is attention after all… :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes, they’re conducting experiments because how else would they talk to women in this manner, in real life? This is an outlet, for them, unfortunately.

  56. Anonymous says:

    I am apreading the inbelievablw luxury. It just happens to be several comments below. Let’s get down to business, shall we? I will call your bluff one with sexual commentary and actions. What are you made of? The proof is in the pudding, how do you like to me licked? Is it enough to keep your body in the bowl? Or so we hear the clink of your spoon on the ceramic inlay that you have given up and your full?

  57. Anonymous says:

    did some search as suggested earlier to look for dome sbs and they all are professional doms that is no fun didn’t see any one regular girl shoe is dominant , mostly they are all submissive , I thought it would be the other way around

    • Anonymous says:

      who is **

    • TVC 15 says:

      Non-pro dommes are hunted to extinction. If you don’t want to pay, then I sincerely wish you luck.

    • Anonymous says:

      You come to a sugar daddy and sugar baby site and expect to find more dome sbs than submissive ones?

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Anonymous 6:37
      Dommes are rare, that’s why they do so well.

      The other alternative is look for very intelligent, strong-willed women – find some “less threatening” female domination porn clips depicting what you are interested in. Photos. Maybe an online “domination” site with the stories.

      Ask her, if she was comfortable with a man, would she consider adding this to the sexual menu.

      If you are the “pegging” Anonymous guy, reassure her that you aren’t gay or bi and there are a ton of men who enjoy this. I always say, “There is a reason SOME gay men like it – because it feels good. There are also gay men who don’t like it – “tops” – because it doesn’t feel good to them.”

      Point her to a site or article that discusses that issue.

      If you can’t find a domme, you’re going to have to make one.

  58. WTF says:

    hahahahaha this is soooooooo crazy and comical , common guys cant we all get along? we are no more in 5th grade . lets do what we are here to do HELP eachother out and spread some love and kink lol

  59. Another Anonymous says:

    @ @DV

    Just a small question. Did you have any private communication with Elaine today outside of the blog? It is just that at 10:54 am you were under impression that Elaine has no kids and at when we pointed out that we prefer Elaine’s approach to yours, by 4.58 pm you know that Elaine’s kids are still minors. Maybe I missed it but I have not seen any Elaine’s post here specifying the age of her children.

  60. DamnVixen says:

    I don’t guess it occurred to anyone, that it’s ridiculously stupid to continue with this “she’s lying” crap – when my profile is attached to all my posts and anyone who meets me will be able to confirm everything that I’ve posted here, because there’s no way for me to delete it or deny what is in print.

    Nawww … that’s just too simple of an explanation.

  61. TVC 15 says:

    Well, DV? Still think it’s a good idea to talk to human garbage?

  62. Another Anonymous says:

    Ad discussion about doing things

    Personally I do not see anything wrong say about pornography, sex toys or various kinks. But I would be surprised if that is the usual topic for discussion between parents and adult children. But I might be wrong. And as to sugar and children, Elaine’s approach seems much better to me.

    • Anonymous says:

      That approach seems better to me too.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @AA
      Elaine’s children are still minors. Elaine’s Arrangements are with married men who need “discretion.” Elaine is more concerned about her privacy.

      Different situation when your child is an adult, and your Arrangement is with a man who is not married. My SDs and my relationship is not a “secret.”

      Completely different circumstances. If I were engaged in the kid of arrangements that Elaine is, I would definitely do things more discreetly.

  63. Another Anonymous says:

    @DV

    As to the neurosurgery example, I meant that middle aged neurosurgeon.

    As to turning down the money, I would definitely turn down that offer. I am a bit too old to date on someone else’s schedule. And of course I do not plan to marry under any circumstances, so no problem there.

    The other points I understand, although it is interesting that your family came to money only 15 years ago and you have a very significant trust fund from your grandmother. Did she strike it rich when she was 70?

    • Fundude says:

      LOL trying to make sense out of nonsense.

      Bro, we all know she is lying about most of this stuff. Its too illogical and inconsistent to make sense out of.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @AA
      Mother married someone obscenely wealthy when I was in my 30’s. I don’t get along with my mother/step-dad.

      Vested trust is Grandfather. Grandmother also has one, but she can disinherit everyone at any time – I don’t count that. Grandmother gets income from trust until death, then distributed.

      They made their money in real-estate development after my grandfather retired from the AF. I have no clue when they “really” started making $$$, but the final real estate bubble that ended around 2007 exponentially grew their money. My brother worked for my grandfather and made $$$ with him. My grandfather had enough sense to know that everything was going to crash and got out in time. The trust holds mortgages and rental properties. His method was first-homes for military families, not building until he had a certain percentage of pre-sales, construction loans where draws were contingent upon completion of phases, and pre-sales of the next phase. The “profit” portion, were the final units in the last phase, which he sold and financed himself (held the mortgages) or kept as rental property. Because of his methods, he wasn’t at risk of losing money when the real estate bubble burst.

      Real estate boom – ending 2007-2008 – equals – in my 30’s.

      • DamnVixen says:

        But I’m sure all of the above is “illogical.” Nobody could ever make a ton of money that way in a military community. Because – it’s not like, if a member of the military doesn’t pay their mortgage or rent, you can’t contact their CO and get it paid – instead of having to foreclose or evict. So it’s about the most ridiculously secure investment, if you don’t mind building/selling homes/townhomes in the $100-150k range.

      • DamnVixen says:

        And it’s not like we had a war or anything going on at the time, with many more military families stationed in the area.

        And with Hurricane Katrina (2005) — there weren’t all those people streaming in from Louisiana.

  64. rembodler says:

    @Vixen: why don’t you just equate all of us, who are not into 40-somes here, with child molesters and pedophiles and be done with it? Or I have a better idea – why don’t you petition your Congressmen and Senators to raise the age of consent for women to 40? Anyone beyond that age would be illegal. They might love that idea, sounds pretty conservative…
    Vixen, laws are against crimes. That is for a reason. As a “lawyer” I hope you would appreciate that. Everyone has her phobias. Some are anti-abortion, some are ant-guns and some are anti-sugar. Maybe your particular one is your daughter following your steps. I don’t know. All I know, your narrow mindedness in this particular aspect of sugaring is…interesting

    • Fundude says:

      The chick reminds me of a White Kenna except with a more fanciful story.

      At least Kenna’s stories appeared logical and well researched on the surface. She understand the MBA program, quant analysis, etc.

      The only part about Vixen that is believable is that she dropped out of law and was unable to get married.

      The rest is all exaggerated nonsense like her age on her profile (45 not 35)

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Rembodler
        You sound awfully defensive.

        Elaine and I have repeated multiple times, we know that some men want 18-20-somethings and aren’t defensive about it.

        I haven’t made any rants the site shouldn’t let those girls be on here, or that it should be illegal, and certainly not that the age of consent for sex should be 40. Completely moronic to attribute anything like that to me. Where did I write ANYTHING about anything should be illegal?

        I was totally fine putting my daughter on birth control and knowing she was having sex with her boyfriend. That is age-appropriate behavior.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @FunDude
        And you’re a fucking idiot who comes isn’t in the sugar lifestyle, who comes on the blog every day, and posts stupid links to hoax bigoted articles and videos.

        PUH-LEASE, you don’t have any grasp of being able to discern fact from fiction.

      • Fundude says:

        @DV

        You’re ok with your daughter getting banged out the local bar dude with no future but not a sugar daddy that would give her money/knowledge?

        Sounds to me that you want them to do “age appropriate” stuff to decrease your competition.

        Its all self serving rationalization.

      • Anonymous says:

        FD I don’t think we should talk about anyone’s family or daughters on this blog.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anon don’t be a tit. She’s the one who brought her daughter up

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Fundude
        Just continuing to show you’re not just a fucking idiot, but an asshole too.

        My daughter has a long-term boyfriend.

        YES – if given the choice, I’d rather that she bang boys her own age, than old men for $$$.

        Ha-ha on any chances of the typical 20+ year older SD giving any “knowledge” to a college-aged SD that is of any use. Like a girl doesn’t have family or professors/college staff to give her advice.

        If I’m trying to DECREASE COMPETITION – who did I post on this page – a BULLET LIST of things to put in a SB profile, that matches the content of my own?

        Do you really have nothing better to do than to come onto this page to just be a complete dick?

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymouses
        Sure … don’t you know that if you post on this blog, instead of your own account, or write anything personal, that it’s just OPEN-SEASON for people posting Anonymously to use that information to gang-up, twist, and demonstrate that they’re just a bunch of assholes?

      • Anonymous says:

        you’re not even anonymous and you’re doing that shit too so stop talking like you’re any better or in a different group

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous 4:33 pm
        What on EARTH are you talking about?

        I’m not “Anonymous” – so the people who are Anonymous play “gang-up” on me for lack of a decent topic of the day for them to argue about.

        Did I not express myself clearly enough?

      • Anonymous says:

        I am not the upper Anon but we have ‘ganged’ up on others too, like FD and that Dave guy. So don’t take it personal.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        FD and Dave are not in the “sugar lifestyle” and come onto this blog for the sole purpose of trolling and starting crap with people.

        THAT is why we play gang-up on them.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ DV

        I used the “Pah-lease” on this blog before you ever had a chance to use it as a strategical pass on this space. Everyone here toys with the next. That is an unspoken understood precision, in itself.

        The day I step back in the bowl, I will give you a run for your money or call it even when you fall victim, and wind up making out with me, a la French motief style.

      • Anonymous says:

        damnvixen someday you’ll learn to read and that will really help relations on the blog. you accuse everybody of not understanding but even the simplest of sentences go zoooooooooom right over your head

  65. ?????? says:

    “for me to contact them, because they have questions.” hearing lot’s of “advise”, even unsolicited, but not many questions… hummm maybe cause you never shut the fuck up

  66. elaine says:

    Just Googled this Air Force Amy that @Vixen mentioned.
    Interesting personality and story…

    She is one of the highest earning prostitutes, but in a certain way SBs could learn a lot from her.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Elaine
      You understand what I’m talking about. Sorry to say … she looks like a CHEAP WHORE. Not classy at all. She totally plays the “role” of the “prostitute” up to a “T.”

      Even though she is engaged in “prostitution” – a lot of her methods would work in sugar-dating … AND she definitely knows what men want. And makes a TON of money doing it.

      AND – what’s cool, is that she does actually try hard to mentor the younger prostitutes.

      • Anonymous says:

        **facepalm** can’t believe I’m reading this shit. I swear women do themselves in better than anyone else ever could

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        **facepalm**
        Since you don’t know what we are talking about, don’t worry about it. We’re doing just fine.

      • Anonymous says:

        Lame. everybody saw what you were talking about. just lame

  67. SweetandSassy254 says:

    I Agree with you REM, there choices are there’s and just because you, DV would not have been comfortable with it at there age doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with them if they are. Like I said earlier my 19 year daughter told me about this site… She has friends who are here..I know a few of the girls and they are really great motivated intelligent people.

    • i know says:

      Hang on thar sister, don’tcha know that Vixen damn well knows what’s best fir ya!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      cat fight coming up because SandS doesn’t like bullshitters

    • Fundude says:

      DV just wants to limit the competition of younger women. She knows she is uncompetitive against younger women.

      Ergo, she has now diagnosed them with “borderline personality disorder” despite having zero education in psychology.

      Furthermore, she finds no mental pathology in the fact that she literally sticks her fingers up the asses of many men.

      • Anonymous says:

        I thought this site was intended for younger women. Yeah, maybe 18-20 is too young but after that it’s perfectly normal and ideal. Maybe 45 is too old, too! Otherwise why take off 10 years of your real age.

      • Fundude says:

        It was intended for younger women.

        That is why the older SBs on this blog are on the warpath demanding that men really want older SBs.

        Also, they are now diagnosing younger SBs with “borderline personality disorder” or “very desperate”.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Fundude
        If I was trying to limit the competition of younger women, why would I be giving ADVICE on how to improve their profiles, vet profiles better, etc. AND refer women I know to the site?

        That’s so effing stupid, you’ve outdone yourself.

      • elaine says:

        You can’t make this up…

        “That is why the older SBs on this blog are on the warpath DEMANDING that men really want older SBs.”

        Curious where exactly “the older SBs” are DEMANDING that men really want older SB’s? :-)

        PS. Some want, yes. 😉

  68. Another Anonymous says:

    @ DV

    Actually it is not that I do not believe you. It is that I do not understand you. On one hand you claim to come from good money, to have significant assets, lucrative law career and significant trust fund coming to you in future. On the other hand you explicitly claim to be cash poor, you say that your daughter notices when you bring home the allowance and you seem to abhor the idea of dating a guy who just is not much richer than you. Why? Is it a kink, the thrill of doing something out of ordinary for a middle aged upper middle class mom, is it a validation or is it as Rem observed just a deep seeded need to associate with “blue bloods”? Obviously it cannot be just the cash.

    It is like finding out that a middle aged, successful, well to do neurosurgeon with a teenage daughter in involved in sugar bowl. Why is she doing it?

    • Anonymous says:

      she already told everybody why. she’s broke aka cash poor

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        How many billion times must I repeat myself.
        – I do not “come” from money. The BIG money that my family acquired was some time in my 30’s.
        – I came here at the suggestion of a friend, initially based on a “social experiment” – he was attempting to prove that men in my target dating age range REALLY wanted younger women. Being smart and educated was irrelevant, they wanted young bodies.
        – I immediately had a bunch of dates. My second date handed me $600 after dinner at my car after we mutually concluded we weren’t a match. It took about two weeks to find my long-distance SD who payed quite well for a 3-4 day vacation once a month.
        – I would be dating and having sex anyway. I have continued to “regular date” along with the “sugar dating.”
        – I have discovered that in “sugar dating” – you are treated with much more respect, the parameters of the relationship are well-defined, the SD communicates honestly – whereas, with regular dating, men bullshit you about wanting a long-term relationship to get you to sleep with them. Or one completely one-sided, “friends with benefits” situations where you have sex with them, but they do nothing for you – not even the “friendship” part.
        – My last two serious boyfriends were “free-loaders” – and this site is teaching me to not be such an idiot.
        – I blew all of my savings on coaching at $55/hour and weekend tennis tournaments around the country and put my career on hold, for three years, so my kid could become a nationally-ranked tennis player and get a scholarship. It was a calculated decision that I don’t regret.
        – I didn’t intend to resume work full-time, until my kid goes to college. It is now tennis season again and I have to drive her to all the tournaments – which are during typical work hours (school rules). I am self-employed (and have a little home business) – to have flexibility.
        – Yes, the kink aspect is the fun part. So is the quality of men I have been able to meet.
        – Yes, the fact that I am “mid-life” and know I have an expiration date, is part of the “fun” of this. I may not have the opportunity to do this for long, enjoy while you can.
        – I wouldn’t describe a single man that I have met on this site thus far as a “blue-blood.” Wealthy, maybe. But not a single one inherited their money.

        Would YOU decline the opportunity to make $30-50,000k extra per year, tax-free (for example) for dating the women you usually date? If the only contingency is that you have to meet according to their schedule, and you two would probably not get married?

        Of course you wouldn’t. That would be stupid.

        If the well-to-do neurosurgeon didn’t give his daughter a penny – you might see her doing something like that.

        If you cannot understand based on all of the above … well, that’s your problem, not mine. I think it’s perfectly logical.

      • Fundude says:

        Cool story

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        I think you fail to comprehend that I am not a $200/encounter “escort.”

        I have been on this site about 7 months. I have had a long-distance travel SD. Then I met a local SD. Those are the only people I have had an “Arrangement” with. Though I have had tons of dates and pretty interesting offers. Most men that I have met on this site didn’t offer enough $$$ for me to consider anything, or I wasn’t attracted to.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Fundud
        You should like it. You keep making me repeat it, over and over again.

      • Anonymous says:

        you could just tell this woman have no one to talk to. she just ramble on and on and on

    • Anonymous says:

      1. Spoiled by parents materially, but emotionally abused by a cold and critical mother; the father was pushed aside in the household by a dominant mother;

      2. Grew up at the periphery of wealthy circles, somewhat of an outcast, always looking in from the outside with envy. Instead of being taught how to be self-contented, always being taught how to keep up with the Joneses or look down on their foibles;

      3. The combination of the two above makes the girl incapable of keeping a man;

      4. After perhaps a late start, then going through numerous men on short stints, the marriage is either a failure or “I never want marriage.”

      5. Start taking psychotropic drugs after the mid-30’s, and the entire nervous system deteriorates after that.

      Unfortunately, many young SJW and “Strong and independent” women will turn out that way as time passes. BTW, there is nothing wrong with women who are actually emotionally stable (strong) and competent (independent), but the ones finding the need to prove themselves “strong and independent” beyond their own real capacity are problematic in the long run. They set themselves up for disappointment.

      • Anonymous says:

        That about sums it up

      • Fundude says:

        Wow sounds about right lol

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        Is this supposed to be an assessment of me? Since I have the blog that’s been up for years, and some of the members found it, I have no problem explaining. Completely wrong.

        1. Child of divorce. Latch-key kid. Not spoiled. Mother more interested in dating than raising kids. Father forced out of our lives by mother and grandparents who lived next door. Great relationship with Dad once I was old enough to make contact myself.

        2. Grew up in a small tourist area/military community. Cheerleader, homecoming queen, class-officer, straight-A student, beauty pageant winner, “popular” – not an outcast. (Kinda stupid to label an attractive woman as an outcast.) Actually very disgusted by the spending and consumption of my mother and grandmother, and buy “budget cars” and could give a crap about shopping or material things. Money to me is for recreation/relaxation – not “stuff.” Only “periphery” of being around wealthy people, were grandparents’ business partners/friends and mother’s boyfriends.

        3. Mother’s 7 engagements in 10 years between when I was 8 to 18 unfortunately taught me that men were disposable. If they didn’t treat me well, they were easily replaced.

        4. One “Vegas” marriage on a whim, a bit drunk, on Valentine’s Day. = Annulled. Too busy working/parenting (was not married to daughter’s father) – to be concerned with finding a husband. Would never consider marrying anyone unless they improved the quality of my daughter’s and my life. I’d rather be single than marry someone I would be unhappy with. Financial independence meant never having to marry out of need.

        5. No psychiatric problems. I take thyroid hormones because I have Hashimoto’s.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Fundude
        The guy with Aspergers tries to make an assessment of a person’s childhood. That’s classic.

      • Anonymous says:

        Confirmed

      • SugarD says:

        @DV Just curious -Why don’t you do your lawyer job ? It took a lot of money and training to get there . A decent lawyer generally makes 6 fig salaries and still have time left over for tennis . Be a good role model for your daughter as a hard working strong woman rather than a Pro SB .

        This is one reason why I like young SBs . They are optimistic about their future and on some kind of a career path, and just sugar temporarily to bridge the gap between school and career/family

  69. cautionary tail says:

    cautionary tail for all you sugar d’s with obligations!!! don’t forget your home work!!

    “Woman accused of beating husband with nunchucks because he refused sex”
    A woman in South Carolina hurled ceramic figurines at her husband and hit him with nunchucks after he refused to have sex with her, investigators revealed Wednesday.”

  70. rembodler says:

    @DV
    @Vixen. No need to demonize or marginalize young SBs. Just because you have the daughter in that age group.
    They do not have to have any obvious or hidden defect to be SBs. And, for Christsake…being with an SD is nothing to do with “risky sexual behavior, gang bangs etc”. It might be the safest sexual activity they can experience, compared to drunken frat parties where girls get raped and so on…

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Rembodler
      Surely, after reading about @PastorDave’s boasts, you can’t believe that an 18 year old on this site is engaging in safer behavior than “drunken-frat parties”???? Or that with the anonymity of the site, and the important need to vet profiles, that they have the aren’t at risk of being the victim of predators, because they lack the life experience of being able to spot sketchy behavior? Or that a site like this isn’t the perfect environment for predators?

      “Drunken frat parties” are age-appropriate behavior.

      Sugar-dating most certainly is risky sexual behavior. Most especially, on the terms that many of the SDs propose on this site: on the first meet, with no condoms, with some men demanding anonymity.

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      • Anonymous says:

        this site isn’t as good to hunt on as other sites. a lot of these girls are too street smart. better hunting on dating sites and chat sites

      • DamnVixen says:

        I personally think it’s utterly ridiculous that 18-30 year olds even use online dating at all (unless they have kids or need to stay home), because that age group has so many opportunities to socialize, meet new people, fewer in that age group are married. That’s the typical age-group that still go out to bars and night-clubs.

        I didn’t start online dating until after I had a kid, because I could stay home and spend time with my baby (instead of going out to bars/parties/socializing and vet through profiles and find out more about the guys than you do in a social setting).

      • Anonymous says:

        you really have no idea about millenials to say that. it’s like you’re totally disconnected

      • Anonymous says:

        @DV

        Online dating was cited a the leading venue when 23-30 year old newly weds were surveyed how they met. Also, the average length of marriage tend to be long for couples who met online than their peers met elsewhere. These two facts have been the case every year for over a decade now.

      • Anonymous says:

        You had your kid at 27? I don’t think you had online dating at that time available.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        Love@aol – was around in 2000. I didn’t date while pregnant or with an infant.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous 2:56 pm
        I’m obviously not “disconnected” – since I wrote that I knew millennials were using online dating, I just think it’s ridiculous to do it because of the reasons I wrote.

      • SugarD says:

        @DV “personally think it’s utterly ridiculous that 18-30 year olds even use online dating at all”

        They are Sugar Dating -prospecting for money -DOH! How many young girls are comfortable getting picked up in a bar and hitting the guy up for Cash ?

  71. Anonymous says:

    Let’s all have Second Life computer generated avatars for profile pics – e15058c31
    I have reported it and as usual SA has done nothing….

  72. DamnVixen says:

    I’ve read over some of the other posts of “older SBs” … and I see stories consistent with mine and Elaine’s.

    -Better looking than their age.
    -Accustomed to being pursued/wanted by men.
    -Educated and experienced.
    -Know the way the relationships are supposed to work.
    -Aren’t “in love” with their SDs, have no aspirations to marry their SDs.
    -Close friendships, and mutual respect with their SDs.
    -“Allowances” received from the “Practical” to “Moderate” level.
    -Have jobs and other sources of income, “sugar” is the desert, not the meal.
    -Some non-monogamous, non-exclusive relationships.
    -Some have more than one SD, so the money that they make each month is cumulative.
    -Aren’t on this blog, asking for someone to review their profile or give them advice.

    It’s pretty easy to see the pattern and it’s consistent.

    And it’s totally different from the “Sugar Baby” blogs that talk about having $10-15,000/month allowances, trips around the world, shopping sprees, and “romance.”

    That is why it is so tedious arguing about whether their stories are true.

  73. SugarD says:

    @Rem -as usual ,is right on target. Here we are on a blog viewed by hundreds ?/thousands ? of Pot SBs with only 20 contributors. The silent majority is getting some idea of the Sugar world from these comments. Most of us are experienced SD/SBs. And obviously there are many different ways to have an arrangement.

    Rem gives a style that I am in agreement with-and practice myself . It is rooted in realism ,respect, and common sense, not innuendo and BS . Yes ,some contributors are full of -it . Pot SBs ,a common SD/SB relationship goes like this: (pay attention and stay off sugar scamming blogs)
    1)M&G-no payment – designed to evaluate each other as future Sugars
    2)Arrangement- begins after 1-3 platonic meets
    3)arrangement- involves -at a minimum- a physical relationship and an allowance
    4)allowance can take the form of per visit to monthly -but involves a promise to have an ongoing arrangement
    5)PTP without a long term agreement in place is prostitution ,not a Sugar Arrangement
    6) Relationship can involve any and all activities of a sexual and nonsexual nature.There should be no shaming over anything the couple agrees to enjoy together.
    7)Identity sharing should be the choice of the participating parties. There is no requirement to “tell all”
    8)Confidentiality is of key importance . Most Arrangements are of a sensitive nature and each party must respect the other’s limits
    9) Financial documentation of Daddy’s ability to pay is up to the SD to share ,but is not ever a requirement or an expectation.
    10) Honor among participants is expected-to perform the duties that each has agreed to. This allows the entire system to operate and give confidence to each involved.

    As always ,there are variations . But it is importance for you new Babies to know how things normally work in the Sugar Bowl ,and how most “normal” SDs think .

    • DamnVixen says:

      @SugarD
      I agree with your list, but I would disagree with taking Rembodler as an “authority” because he comes from a perspective of “getting the most bang for your buck” – when that is not the attitude of ALL SDs (especially in the higher-income range).

      My only caveat, is the 7. – “Identity sharing.” In a genuine sugar arrangement, the people know who each other are. Otherwise, it’s prostitution. Even if it’s “long-term,” the parties failing to share identities then the guy isn’t a “SD” – he’s just a girl’s “regular John.”

      • SugarD says:

        As I said ,i.d. sharing is optional with each party. Many of my college SBs do not want their true identities to be known . They would be embarrassed to have Daddy pop up at a frat party. I always know a name, and they know a legend . That doesn’t make them escorts .

        As for budget ,SBs want the most, SDs want the least. econ 101. It is a fantasy that Daddy is going to fall in love and want to pay an entire private school tuition. Over the top arrangements do happen though.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @SugarD
        This is when I wonder WHY an SD would want to be with an SB who is ashamed for him to know her real name?

      • Anonymous says:

        I lean to rightly agree with DV here.

        I will never forget a supposed SD that was on the fence with me, as I was with him. Tbc. Will be back shortly.

      • i know says:

        Whoa!!! there Sugar D.. don’tcha know, as with Fundud, Vixen knows everythin everybody oughter know about dem sugarshits!!

      • elaine says:

        @i know

        Are you talking in Kardashian or in another language I don’t know?
        Please subtitle :-)

      • SugarD says:

        @DV
        “This is when I wonder WHY an SD would want to be with an SB who is ashamed for him to know her real name?”

        DV, we are coming from different places. This goes to my point above #6. You are single , “available”,and not afraid to put your activities out there-at least to your family.

        To Rem’s point ,young girls at least 20 yrs and sometimes 40+ years junior to their Daddy would NOT want Mom and Daddy to learn what they are doing . It is not acceptable in any way shape or form for a young girl to do this . Even you,MS “Tolerance” would not want your own daughter Sugar Dating until she’s 30+. Many(most?) of us prefer young SBs from 18 to 30 . The beauty of beind an SD is that the pool of available 20 yr olds never changes . We never age out as long as we have the finances to afford it .

        None of my SBs(dozens) have volunteered their i.d.s ,although I should card them for age -for my safety. I find out who they are because of social media,but they would not like any connection between their illicit behavior and their family .

      • Anonymous says:

        I think she and Frank were referring to the SD’s ability to prove himself, who he is and his net worth.

    • SweetandSassy254 says:

      Hallelujah! I agree completely!

    • Dash says:

      Good list. Some nit picks but overall agree. I like 10 especially as it’s very important and not as easy as it sounds. The first meets are where you want to get a good sense of each other to the degree it is possible. I think the key to this is selection. When you find a good match everything else tends to work out well. If you have a bad feeling about it, bow out. If you’re not sure, meet again before an arrangement is set.

      That’s why it’s key not to be in dire straights and need an arrangement as opposed to be interested in one should the right match come along. Be picky, value character over wallet size or cup size. It’s hard sometimes to weed out the selections but that’s just how it works.

      It’s also inherently a gamble just like any human interaction, but due diligence, don’t risk more than you can afford to lose, and you’ll be ok.

    • Anonymous says:

      Lol who are you again?

    • Anonymous says:

      “begins after 1-3 platonic meets” Wow are we dating? I would be at third base if standard dating by then 😉

  74. Fundude says:

    @DV

    It all makes sense now. Most very rich multi millionaire women who are “cash poor” come onto SA to fulfill fetishes that include sticking fingers in weird orifices.

    I mean didn’t Donald Trump’s daughter do that as well because she was cash poor? Makes sense now!

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Jackass
      My SD lives in a house that was $6mil when was built. PAID FOR (no mortgage). Tennis court in the back, pool, you have to pass through two gates to get in there. Divorced. His ex-wife lives down the street in a house about half the size. Paid for.

      Name me a non-sugar dating website where I could find a man with that much money.

      • DamnVixen says:

        Since I don’t want to get married. And I have NO aspirations to “trick” a man into marrying me to get half his crap – this works. I get to travel. I get paid well. The relationships aren’t exclusive. I get to meet OTHER men with money who enjoy playing and spending it, without playing any stupid games or taking advantage of anyone.

        My other alternative, is to go on “Match.com” and sort through all of the dudes who want sex while they take you dutch-treat to Friday’s.

        You’re really fucking clueless, aren’t you?

      • Fundude says:

        Cool story brah

      • DamnVixen says:

        @FunDude
        Just because you can’t seem to comprehend something, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

        You’re the one posting videos on this blog that have been tagged and proven all over the internet to be hoaxes, AND have obvious cues in them that they are hoaxes, yet you CLING to trying to find a little tiny thing in them that are true.

        You’re ability to distinguish between fact and fiction has been demonstrated on this blog to be faulty. A person only needs to look at the articles and videos that you post here in order to make that determination.

      • Fundude says:

        Things that strain logic are usually false.

        But I enjoy the stories.

        So cool story broette

      • DamnVixen says:

        @FunDude
        I nearly spit out my coffee reading you write about “logic.”

        OMG.

  75. i dunno says:

    does anyone know where the sugar bog is?

  76. Another anonymous says:

    @ DV

    I have an 18 year old daughter. She sees me come home with $$$ from a vacation and says, “Maybe I can do that.” Then I tell her, she’d have to have sex with men 20+ years older, and she goes, “Yuck. No way.”

    Wow, it takes a lot to shock me, but this conversation really takes the cake. :-)

    • Anonymous says:

      That’s bad parenting.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        She’s 18. Not pregnant. Not on drugs. Never in trouble. Is headed to college on a tennis scholarship with a $100k education trust.

        Right … I’m a bad parent because my kid knows that I have a SD in a nearby city who is a multi-millionaire.

      • DamnVixen says:

        If I was PIMPING her, that would be bad parenting.

        I’m grossing her out, so she’d never think about doing something like this herself.

        The same method worked when she was a toddler/kid and I pulled out the graphic pregnancy books.

      • DamnVixen says:

        What a blessing to all the Sugar Daddies who want college-girl SBs that there are so many GOOD PARENTS who don’t WARN them about you guys, eh?

      • rembodler says:

        DV is right. You cannot demand honesty from others and be dishonest yourself.
        Having said that, I am pretty sure most of my SBs would rather die than tell their parents they are sugaring. And they are.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Rembodler
        It’s a shame that parents cannot have genuine, “adult” relationships with their children. Prepare them for real-life. Stop the “Disney Princess” happily ever after bullshit. I think it accounts for why so many adults are dissatisfied with their lives: they didn’t get the fairy tale.

        A large number of female porn stars have Borderline Personality Disorder. I’d be VERY willing to bet you that a large portion of the girls who are 18-20 having sex with men twice their age for $$$, who aren’t just desperate/no alternatives, are also BPD or have some other similar personality disorder. (It’s not “typical” behavior.)

        I say that based on the fact that a large % of female porn stars have BPD – and that diagnosis of girls who are promiscuous as teenagers, doing gang-bangs and other extreme sexual behavior.

        (I haven’t mentioned before, that I also taught for 3 years, and one was in a program for at-risk teens – out of Dept. Juvenile Justice (jail), drug rehab, and secure psych facilities.)

    • DamnVixen says:

      @AA
      It shouldn’t shock you. I have said, I do things “legally.” My “Arrangements” are with men I date otherwise. We have “normal” interactions, like any people who are dating, except that I get paid to not have any long-term-commitment expectations AND to be available to do things on his schedule. I go on vacation, I come back with some pretty nice gifts.

      I’m not a hypocrite and I don’t lie to my daughter, who is an adult and needs to understand how the world works – and how men think.

      Doing this at MY age, I get to date men I would date otherwise. If she did it at HER age, she’d get treated basically like P4P.

      I’ve told her, I have no problem with it if she wants to do this when she is 30 and she isn’t married.

      If ANYONE is doing ANYTHING on THIS SITE that they are SO ASHAMED OF – that they wouldn’t discuss it with their adult children or parents … well, then … I’d say they’re doing something wrong.

      • Anonymous says:

        I would not say just this site but anything in life. One of my college professors used to say that. Another Anonymous is a tad judge-y. I wonder if he is married. That would be ironic, since he called you out for being honest with your daughter.

    • Another anonymous says:

      @ DV

      Well I would just like to hear opinions from other SBs that have children. Maybe Elaine can share that with us.

      And in a way I do not understand why your daughter sees you coming with $$$. If your financial situation is as good as you paint it here, why is your allowance visible to your child?

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        Elaine doesn’t have any kids, to my knowledge.

        I didn’t say my financial situation is “good” … I said, I’m “cash-poor” by comparison to assets and why sell anything, when I could do this … it’s like, people don’t know how to read.

        I’ve said that I have referred my friends to this site.

        Another one who doesn’t grasp that sugar-dating works much differently for older women.

      • SweetandSassy254 says:

        I can tell you that my 19 year old daughter is the one that told me about this site…

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Sweet
        THANK YOU.
        We got off on the wrong foot, because you misunderstood my post. If you go back and read all the text above the original post, and my later “explanations” you will better understand.
        Feel free to contact me: damn.vixen@yahoo if you want some information/help vetting profiles.

        I read you profile and please accept this well-intentioned “critique” … GET THE DETAILS ABOUT YOUR KIDS AND EX OFF OF YOUR PROFILE!!! You’re selling a “fantasy” of no complications and fun.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ AA , I DO have children, they know nothing about my sugarlife. I keep sugar and personal life strictly separated and they have never seen me with any men since my divorce. That is also one of the reasons I prefer long distance. And since I have been travelling for business as long as they remember, for them it is normal when I am abroad for some days.

      • Elaine says:

        Sorry, different device, Anon was me ?

  77. rembodler says:

    The amount of SBs thinking in terms of long term commitment is probably small. Your average genuine SB is in college and either wants some extra spending money or assistance with rent, to quit her mall job. Professional SBs (of a kind to ask “gifts” for meet and greet) know full well the arrangement will likely not last past one month, as she had nothing special to offer. That is why push for higher allowances and advance payments.
    Given these stats, if a guy can afford to spend a month worth, he is good to go.
    On the other hand, once this initial weed-out is done and both parties want to continue, a more serious investment into relationship, exchange of STD tests or SD sharing some financial info could happen. Obviously, the SB who can afford to be that picky has to afford to be that picky.

    • Anonymous says:

      Wrong. Geuine young college SBs want help with tuition or a start up.

      • rembodler says:

        @Anon
        I get the vibe that whatever I were to say, you would “wrong” it…
        Let’s try – the sky is blue?…;)).

      • Anonymous says:

        Wrong. It’s actually reflective blue particles coming from the sun, but during sunset and in the evening mostly during winters, the sky is of a red orangey hue or a purplish one.

        Just kidding. (Info is true though). ?

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Rembodler
      Yanno, since most of my life my typical “relationship” was 3 months, since if I couldn’t see myself marrying the guy I would just cut the line, bait another hook. I’m pretty amazed when people talk about “long term commitment” in a SB/SD “Arrangement.”

      I can’t even imagine going on two-three dates and thinking, “I’m going to have sex with this guy for the next 2-3 years.” (Probably also the reason I could never really stomach the idea of marriage unless everything was absolutely “perfect.”)

      SO I agree with you, I think it’s totally reasonable for girls to only be focused on the amount of money they will receive NOW … not what is promised later. It’s much more likely that things won’t get past more than a few dates, as SDs “shop around.”

    • Anonymous says:

      A young attractive SB has her pick so she can set whatever amount she wishes. The market will dictate what happens next. Considering genuine hot young SB’s are rare, she won’t have a hard time getting her preferred allowance.

      • elaine says:

        I think you are wrong in that…

        Over the years I have seen very attractive young and hot SBs here complaining about not being able to find an SD.

        There is hundreds of thousands of them here and competitions seems though.

      • rembodler says:

        Yea…that is why I see some of these “hot young SBs” on the site for years. It looks especially funny with a tag line “new to this” and a sign up date 2013…
        The bottom line of it is NSA. If you like the guy, he comes back and keeps his end of the bargain…only some very silly SB will ask to see his tax returns…

      • DamnVixen says:

        The “hot young SBs” I’ve seen (profiles, emailed with), just don’t seem to know what they are doing or what they want. They have in their minds, “Yuck, I don’t want to have sex with old men for money.” Don’t know how to vet profiles.

        I have an 18 year old daughter. She sees me come home with $$$ from a vacation and says, “Maybe I can do that.” Then I tell her, she’d have to have sex with men 20+ years older, and she goes, “Yuck. No way.”

        I know the SDs don’t really LIKE to THINK about it this way … but the girls they are getting who are WILLING to do this – especially if it’s to quit her mall job or for extra spending money. Um … they are a special type.

        No matter HOW broke I was in my younger years, and how hard I was having to work, I wouldn’t even lower myself to be a stripper – much less have sex for $$ with men 20+ years older.

        A college girl “who does this just for spending money” … SMH.

      • rembodler says:

        @DV
        Mm… You cannot be speaking from experience here, can you? Well, some of us are. These are perfectly normal young women, DV. I sure if their mom will ask, they will say the same thing “Yuck!!!” And then text me to confirm the date for tomorrow…;)).

      • elaine says:

        *tough

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Rembodler
        If you haven’t noticed, I put my email up on this site for women to contact me, as well as have had women post their email here, for me to contact them, because they have questions.

      • Another anonymous says:

        she can set whatever amount she wishes. The market will dictate what happens next

        Very true. Actually anybody can do that. But as SSSD nicely pointed out earlier, in a close system young hot girls are produces at much faster rate than millionaires. :-)

      • rembodler says:

        @DV
        I hate to say it, DV, but it is generational. Our – yours and mine – was a lot more restrained about sex, after all the AIDS epidemic was right in front of us. Chicks of the 21 century, who grew up with free online streaming porn…is a lot different.

      • rembodler says:

        @DV
        So…all of these young women who contact you are weirdos?

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Rembodler
        Some that contacted me didn’t know what they were doing.

        I have an 18 year old daughter and have teenage girls in my house and my car, talking like girls do, for MANY, MANY years now. I’m the mom they come to when someone’s contracted an STD, gotten pregnant, or has a problem, because I don’t judge and I’m not a hypocrite. I teach them to deal with problems like an adult.

        It’s comical for you to think that I don’t know what women that age are like. I’m surrounded by them.

  78. DamnVixen says:

    Sugar Babies in Texas better be careful (crazy effin’ state):

    On Christmas Eve in 2009, Ezekiel Gilbert paid an escort he found on Craigslist $150 for what he thought would be sex. Instead, according to the San Antonio Express-News, 23-year-old Lenora Frago left his apartment after about 20 minutes without consummating the act. Gilbert, now 30, followed her to a car with a gun and shot her in the neck through the passenger-side window. Frago became paralyzed, and died about seven months later. Gilbert admitted to shooting her but contended that he did not intend to kill.

    Gilbert was tried for murder. Last Wednesday, a Texas jury ruled that his actions were legal. That’s because Texas penal code contains an unusual provision that grants citizens the right to use deadly force to prevent someone “who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property.”

    Texas A&M Professor Mark Hoekstra, who studies the effectiveness of lethal-force provisions in self-defense law, says the protection-of-property element of the deadly force law is “pretty unique to Texas.” Within Texas, however, the case was not unique. In 2010, the law protected a Houston taco-truck owner who shot a man for stealing a tip jar containing $20.12. Also in Houston, a store clerk recently killed a man for shoplifting a twelve-pack of beer, and in 2008 a man from Laredo was acquitted for killing a 13-year-old boy who broke into his trailer looking for snacks and soda.

    • DamnVixen says:

      {http://nation.time.com/2013/06/13/when-you-can-kill-in-texas/}

    • Anonymous says:

      OTOH, sounds like Sugarbabies would be able to shoot scammers like “Dave” legally too if he refuses to pay afterwards, robbery of money that should have been hers.

      No wonder Texas has much lower crime rate than places like Chicago and DC.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        You can’t have a high crime rate, if you allow people to shoot each other, and don’t call it a crime.

      • Anonymous says:

        Theft, Robbery and Rape rates are much lower in US jurisdictions that allow using fire arms for self-defense than in the US jurisdictions that have tight gun bans on law-abiding citizens.

    • Anonymous says:

      But it’s not burglery if he gave her the money for escorting as she did just that, escort him. The law doesn’t accept illegal stuff like prostitution. Not sure why the family didn’t press charges and take this to the supreme court.

      • DamnVixen says:

        “theft” – not burglary
        I couldn’t even begin to rationalize the outcome of that case. Somethings weird stuff happens, that’s why it makes the news.

        Just crazy/scary that in Texas a guy can shoot a hooker/woman in the neck, and then later claim that she tried to take his money and not give him sex.

        It’s a good thing @Pastor Dave doesn’t live in Texas.

      • elaine says:

        Well…actually I am not THAT sure @Dave doesn’t live in Texas…..

    • Anonymous says:

      A minor 13 year old boy? This is not the law, it can’t be. He’s a minor so it doesn’t apply to him even if he were stealing since he can’t be put on trial for that, it’s like a 7 year old stealing a doll and getting shot for it.
      Then again I don’t know the law in the US but if it’s like that I don’t even wanna know.
      Digusting.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        Minors are charged with crimes. They just are subject to a different procedural system, names aren’t published in the paper, and records expunged when they turn 18 if they meet all the terms of their probation.

        Texas is a “special” (as in “short-bus, special” state). Juries are really unpredictable.

  79. Another anonymous says:

    @ DV

    Like this morning’s gems: Frank is on this site to meet married couples and women 40 years younger.

    Well Frank is 63 and this is a quote from his page:

    I have had successful sugar relationships before coming to this site. This was by recommendations from mutual friends. They were with a couple of students, and one married couple. So, I understand the pressures on young married couples, and students, and have been able to successfully and discreetly provide financial support, and am not fussed by someone having a partner.

    What can be considered a typical age of a young married couple or a student in Australia? Maybe about 23? :-)

    • Frank95 says:

      Thanks for the free advertising another anonymous.

      I really do appreciate the free exposure.

      I’m not sure what your point is though. So, I’ll make one of my own…just to be helpful.

      The average age of millionaires in USD in both Australia and the USA is a little north of 60 years. So, guess what that means? It means that statistically, guys in their thirties and forties are extremely unlikely to have free cash flow to support a SB. Those are the facts. So, ladies, if some young guy says he will give you a particular allowance, you need to ask for verification of some free cash availability. A typical portfolio might have 5% cash. Someone with that amount of free cash can bring it up on their mobile in 15 seconds with their bank’s app. Up comes a page with the summary amount. Since we guys like to brag, any guy who won’t do it is suspicious. It’s a good test for liars. If a guy claims to have a big net worth, but can’t show 5% in cash…what else is he lying about?

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Frank
        Don’t know if I can agree with the 5% cash assessment. A person could reasonably say they have a “net worth” of “X” amount, relying on the equity in his house, investments, his business, minus debt.

        I have a “net worth” more than a ton of the SDs on this site (equity in my house, jewelry, business equipment and supplies, two cars) – and no debt. If one were to take into account the vested interest in an irrevocable trust, that I can’t get a penny on until my grandmother dies, well … (nobody on THIS blog will believe that number) …

        But as for CASH … nope. Cash-poor. Thus the appeal of the site. (And to the trolls, who say should I sell or liquidate assets … if I can “supplement” through the generosity of a lovely benefactor, why the hell would I do that?

        Hell … my daughter, and her education trust, has a higher net-worth than most of the fake Sugar Daddies who post on this blog.

      • Frank95 says:

        Sure DV. But the point is that a typical split of net worth is 5% cash. And it’s from free cash flow that a SB would be paid. So a focus on that is of use to a sceptical SB. I admit, nothing is perfect, but every little bit of evidence helps to clarify a picture.

      • SSSD says:

        @DV

        Someone with a financial profile like yours would not be a viable SD (or SM). That’s exactly the point Frank and I have been making.

        If and when that trust starts disbursement, and putting at least 6-figure cash in your account, then you will be a viable SM :-) so long as it keeps paying.

      • Fundude says:

        @DV

        Considering your multi millionaire status, why do you come onto SA to have SD pay you to stick your fingers up weird orifices then?

        Don’t get it.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @MoronDude
        Once again, cannot seem to read.
        * “Cash-poor”
        * trust assets that I will not receive until grandmother dies
        * will not sell or hock assets
        * do this for “fun” – not out of “need”/as an alternative to regular dating
        * actually ENJOY the sex with the two SDs I have met here, AND they enjoyed giving me the $$$

        As usual, you aren’t in the Sugar Lifestyle so you fail to comprehend anything about it.

        And if you haven’t noticed by men’s posts or a lot of the SD profiles … men (and rich people, in general) don’t like giving $$$ to people who “need” it. They have no problem giving $$$ to people who don’t need it. Banks are like that too.

    • Another anonymous says:

      @ Frank 95

      Very welcomed. Your posts are highly entertaining and you deserve all the help you can get. And I also appreciate your somewhat repetitive explanations of the suggested verification method. I actually think that cash exposure rule is too high, but I might be wrong.

      But let me ask you a favor. We have had a friendly argument with FunDude and Damn Vixen , whether we can predict your arrangement preferences from your profile.

      Your age is stated as 63 and you quote “understand the pressures on young married couples, and students, and have been able to successfully and discreetly provide financial support, and am not fussed by someone having a partner.”

      Can you just clarify for us whether these young couples and students are your current demogaphic target? To a casual reader it seemes they are and it is safe to assume they are about 40 years your junior. Of course you might be talking about a very remote past, or you might support young couples and students as a charitable platonic venture and your real target demographics for arrangement are ladies in their 50s. Can you please answer that for us?

      And if my English is not clear, I apologize. I am sure FunDude with translate it for you when he can.

      Oh and lastly if you are writing from home town please allow me to thank you for entertaining us at very early morning hours at your town.

      • Frank95 says:

        Look at the numbers. :)

        50% of women are married by 30. Then add the nimbers in defacto relationships, then add those with steady boyfriends, and it’s roughly 70% of the female population by 30 who have a partner of some sort. Yet if you look at the numbers of supposedly single women on SA under 30 (to make a valid comparison), it’s about 2%.

        So, it’s likely that many women who say they are single, are not.

        My conclusion: There’s a good chance that SBs already have partners, and many just fib about being single.

        Guys who expect their SB to be exclusive are, on the statistics, a little unrealistic.

        Of course, some SBs have multiple SDs. Of course they mostly don’t tell their SDs about each other either.

        My position is that if the reality is that a significant proportion of the SB demographic is likely to be partnered, why not admit it and deal with it?

  80. SSSD says:

    @Frank

    I agree with your recommendation regarding asset verification. A 6-figure liquid account balance should be a minimum requirement for someone claiming to be a millionaire or multi-millionaire; I even added that, in the US, the SB can use the driver’s license info to verify home ownership at the POT’s primary residence address via online county land records . . . just like most institutions considering extending commercial credit to a stranger would require. Let’s face it, taking a person’s promise at face value is essentially extending credit to the person.

    However, I do wonder about the wisdom of making long-term arrangement with a married or long-term couple after proving all that, especially at your age. Your being 3rd wheel in such a relationship will most likely cause jealousy from the other man, and make the woman disrespectful for both men. I have witnessed enough breakups in those situations (100% in a few months) from the landlord’s perspective to reject all likely sugar cosigners if the woman does not recognize the male co-signer as her boyfriend. Those breakups are probably the more lucky outcomes for the SD’s. As you get older and slow down, while enamored with the younger woman in a long-term arrangement, the far more dangerous outcome is physical harm from his jealousy or machination by both of them.

    Where do you see yourself in another 10 years? Do you have grand kids? If you do, why not make the arrangements lighter duty now and save some resources to dote on your own grand children later? If you don’t have children or grand children, and if you have a million dollars (USD) to spare (entirely on her, not just your net-worth) as well as at least 20 years left in your life expectancy based on family history, finding a single woman in her early 30’s or late 20’s for a genuine relationship including co-parenting should not be hard. The median income in the US is only $26k/yr (for women is close to $20k/yr), typical woman work less than 40 years, so the median life-time income for a woman is less than $1mil, pretax. Your $1mil after-tax contribution will more than doubling her life-time income. Women in their early 20’s somehow take for granted becoming a millionaire someday or marrying one; only 1% to 2% will make it in a life-time (in current 2015 USD terms), and by the mid to late 20’s, and certainly the early 30’s, that reality kicks in.

    $4k/mo for 20 years is about $1Mil, and $4k/mo after-tax (child support payment is not taxable to her) is equivalent to pre-tax income of $80k as an independent contractor, putting her in the top 10% in terms of individual income just by your contribution, and top 25% in terms of household income, making her life quite comfortably middle class to upper middle class, even better if she builds a decent career for herself after putting some of your contribution to good use. With any job/income of her own (always encourage that when not caring for a child under 4yo), she will live a life wealthier than the overwhelming majority of married couples (never mind the 50% who end up having to divorce and take a few hundred dollars a month as child support payment on average). More importantly, you will have someone to dote on without having to worry too much about a younger couple plotting to kill you for quick access to your money. It takes only one evil couple like that to kill you, especially as you get older.

    Even if you have no real plan like that immediately, maintaining a posture like that would be more productive in finding genuine interest and safer for you in long term arrangements, than putting up with a couple. 75% of women by 30 have steady partners means the other 25% do not.

    If these numbers are not possible for your budget (heck, with the rapidly declining economy, even half a $mil might be sufficient incentive, but don’t be too tight), or your own health condition wouldn’t allow another 20 years to see the kid finishing college, shorter arrangements to solve specific problem (like a replacement car) might be safer for you than open-ended long term arrangement where the couple might become dependent on your wallet but have their own conflicting genetic prerogatives. It’s not a good idea to deal with desperate people, especially at advanced age.

    • Dash says:

      ” More importantly, you will have someone to dote on without having to worry too much about a younger couple plotting to kill you for quick access to your money. It takes only one evil couple like that to kill you, especially as you get older.”

      Well that escalated quickly.

      • SSSD says:

        That is a real risk if the old man makes a couple financially dependent on him in a long term arrangement, especially if and when he wants to terminate it later.

      • Dash says:

        Now I’m picturing Frank with a leather jacket, sunglasses and a really big gun saying “Our arrangement is terminated”

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Dash

        While @SSSD is long winded he does make a good point. Dealing with a “couple” sounds a lot like dealing with a pimp with a single prostitute in his stable. What do you think will happen when the pimp thinks his supply of income is coming to an end?

      • Dash says:

        “What do you think will happen when the pimp thinks his supply of income is coming to an end?”

        Murder.

        I’m mostly busting balls but I’m afraid I’m not seeing the point. The SD wants to end it so they kill him and … what exactly. Steal the bank codes and fly off to Belarus and live on the run? Also missing why couples would be more apt to do this.

        But anyway, carry on!

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Dash
        FatBastard is just a troll who comes on this blog to create controversy and call people names. There’s no logic ever. Just invented crap.

      • SSSD says:

        @Dash

        Older people with lots of money are quite vulnerable targets. In some states, like Texas, shooting a man fucking the wife in the act is justifiable homicide.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @SSSD
        In TEXAS – someone can shoot an escort when he pays her for sex, and she doesn’t give it to her. Actual true story. Facts deserve their own special post, I will put up.

      • SSSD says:

        @DV

        Seriously? What was the ground for his acquittal? or was it Jury Nullification or the Prosecutor refusing to prosecute? Sounds like the prospects are grim for escorts in Texas.

        The justifiable homicide provision for husbands killing someone fucking the wife in the act was precisely designed to make fucking someone else’ wife prohibitively risky.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Dash

        While killing is a dramatic statement indeed, elderly people are prone to financial scams. So finding out that the funds for the high end retirement home or a private medical care are missing is a very frequent event indeed.

    • FatB'StardSA says:

      @SSSD

      That’s for the financial planning lesson. You should cut and paste it into every post you make asshole!

      By the way have you ever thought that @Frank95 wants to have sex with both the husband and the wife?

      Have a nice day :-).

  81. Dash says:

    “The guy gave me a check. I got home and realised I could verfiy it over the phone. No money closed bank account. He also closed his SA account and blocked me from the phone.”

    Pathetic, and SA should have a way of reporting things like this to at least make it a bit more difficult to repeat offend. Unfortunately there are miserable people in this world and they like to spread the misery around.

    The one very strange thing in that post though, how did she get a picture of his drivers license? If it’s not a fake ID I’d show up at his job and say hello or have a friend do that for you.

    • Anonymous says:

      I was thinking similar @Dash. A friend with big muscles preferably. If he did show her his actual real license.

      • DamnVixen says:

        Don’t think it’s a good idea to get into “revenge” mode by going to someone’s house or work because of something happening on a site like this. She doesn’t need criminal charges filed against her.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Dash
      They supposedly have a way to report scammers, and I know from dealing with another site, that it could block the IP addresses of people from creating new profiles. But it takes an Act of GOD and a threat to sue ANY SITE, in order to get them to ban a member. It got a bit easier to get a site to take action after that Harvard graduate was raped by a convicted sex offender she met on Match.

      You’d think these sites would have a “three-strikes” policy. If they see duplicate complaints against the same profile by completely independent profiles/IP addresses.

      I’m a member-moderator on another site, and know that IT does actually ban members.

      Ironically, months before meeting my SD, I got him banned from that site, because I saw the good-looking picture and an image search revealed him to be a “regional celebrity” – and reported it as using a stolen picture from the internet. – oops. :-) On our second date, when I realized who he was, I told him – and thankfully he has a good sense of humor and we got a huge laugh out of it.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Dash
        Actually, if she has the guy’s bad check and driver’s license, she should give it to the site and prevent him from being able to open another account. Since the guys have to pay for a membership in order to message people. Think I’ll pop over to her post to tell her that.

    • Dash says:

      DV yes the site can ban SD’s based on the name and credit card on file. IP is too easy to get around. But, the problem then becomes you need to be careful of false accusations. You mentioned you got someone banned pretty easily and that’s not good either.

      Sadly though, these guys can get away with it. So you need to be careful. In her case though if this is true I’d post his license.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Dash
        I was a moderator of the site, so it wasn’t that “easy” to get a person banned by a regular member. If he’d gone back and verified his identity, it wouldn’t have been a problem.

      • Dash says:

        Ah ok. Still though point stands. Even this could be all made up about the bad check and stuff. Unlikely maybe but we see false allegations happen too often to ignore the possibility.

        If you can have someone banned because they decide to stop seeing you that would be pretty ugly hah

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Dash

        It is pretty ugly already, by her own admittance DV is reporting people as impersonators without bothering to find out that maybe they are the real people with their own identity.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        Reading-impaired.
        I was a moderator of the site. I didn’t “report” anyone. Not my responsibility to contact the member and confirm they are the picture. My job to confirm that photos are taken off of the internet.

        Member’s problem of contacting the site to confirm their identity, if a question comes up.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        I don’t even have the ability to contact anyone as a moderator. Only recommend delete/don’t delete account. Other moderators vote. Account deleted. That’s the procedure.

    • Dash says:

      You don’t need to beat his ass although that would be funny. You just need to show up at his job and start asking people if they know where Joe Smith is I need to ask him about a check he wrote that I’m having trouble cashing.

      • Anonymous says:

        Isn’t writing a bad check considered a felony? Even for a stick of gum and if the account has been closed? That would make it worse imo but I do not know the laws.

      • Dash says:

        The problem there is you don’t want to bring the police into it considering the circumstances. Another reason people get away with this.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        It depends on the amount of the check, based on the jurisdiction. Enforcement is mostly an administrative process. I’d hand it over for prosecution myself. But then, I don’t have interactions with anyone on this site where I’m not being 100% sure that I do things in a way that won’t get me in legal trouble.

      • Anonymous Baby says:

        @Dash

        It’s a felony and she could give it to the peosecution and get away with it because by her own admittance it would not constitute anything illegal because SA is a perfectly legal activity. I think people hestitate te report cases like this because a bad repution is ensured to follow.

    • elaine says:

      Question:

      “I just stated it wasn’t “rape” like some SB feminists want to pretend.”

      1. Am I geriatric or did I really use the “Rape” word?

      Or is that just putting words in my mouth again?

      2. Is a woman who believes that men and women are different but should be treated equally, with no gender being advanced to the other, a feminist?

      Or is that just shaming language of a very insecure and immature creature?

    • elaine says:

      @Dash

      You seem one of the very few males here who judges this checks trick for what is is;
      A pathetic scam, executed by a miserable excuse of a man.

      Others blame her and seem to identify with this loser.

      As far as the picture of his ID, maybe she took it with her phone while he was in the bathroom?
      Maybe her gut feeling told her too?

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Elaine

        Maybe some of us don’t form lynch mobs without hearing both sides of the story…

        Have a nice day :-).

      • elaine says:

        @Fat

        If we leave all other info out, as indeed we have not heard the other side, what other part of leaving fraudulent checks as a payment (for whatever) would you like to hear?

        It is a felony and I doubt any judge would want to hear: Yes, but she was a bitch/ a slut/ an entitled pussy etc etc. “.

        But don’t worry, no lynch mobs here (we wouldn’t know who to lynch, you see) :-)

      • Dash says:

        Yeah if what she is saying is true it’s not arguable, the guy is a shitty person. I’m always skeptical of these things but if it’s true it’s not a question.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Elaine

        I would like to hear the part where she threatened him which resulted in him writing her a check to get her away from him (probably because he did not have enough cash on him to satisfy her pimp).

        I am sure a judge would be interested in that part of the story and you should be OUTRAGED at what this SB did!

        Have a nice day :-).

      • DamnVixen says:

        @FatRetard
        Because if she’s threatening him, giving her a personal check and his identification (with his address on it) is the thing to do?

        Idiot.

      • Anonymous says:

        Writing a bad check is writing a bad check. It is against the law. If she were smart, she could do something with that check and the law.

        @FatbStardSA you certainly do have an active imagination on this being all the fault of the woman. Her story might be false but why so insistent on what she wrote? You would make a good public defender of criminals. 😉

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @DunceVixen

        I have heard there is a strange phenomenon where people give wallets with ID and credit cards and money in them when threatened with harm. You are the lawyer so I will let you tell me what the legal term for this is.

        In the future stick to sucking cock instead of trying to be cute with your intellectual superiors…

        Have a nice day :-).

      • DamnVixen says:

        @FatRetard
        Yeah, I understand people hand over wallets when they have a gun pointed at their head. Then they go to the police.

        Even Dash thinks your “invented” scenarios are stupid.

        (Somebody isn’t getting any cock-sucking and is bitter-bitter-bitter, so he comes on to the SA blog to cry like a little bitch.)

        My dogs are smarter than you are, dear.

        Have a nice day. :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        You didn’t seem to form a lynch mob on Dave the resident scammer either. In fact you seemed to support him, or are you gonna argue that it was tha fake Fatb’stard who did it? Ha

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @DunceVixen

        How many women are raped every year without a gun to their head. You must think they wanted to be raped don’t you?

        You digust me.

        I don’t know your dogs (especially not in the biblical sense since i not your SD), but I do know I am much smarter than you…

        Have a nice day :-).

  82. Another Anonymous says:

    @Jay

    Frank and us.

    Actually it is not jealousy, quite frankly he has nothing I can be jealous of. It is a simple glee of exposing a sanctimonious hypocrite. People in sugar bowl in general accept who they are but do not like to get morality, wealth and proper sugar eyiquette lectures. Especially not from a guy who is NOT especially wealthy by the standards of his country and who is in somewhat niche market of making arrangements with married COUPLES.

    It is also funny when a guy is looking for ladies about 40 years his junior and lectures us about age differences.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @AA
      I understand ENGLISH is not your first language? Maybe you should post comments after someone has TRANSLATED the written word for you? Or is it just more fun to invent facts in order to get people to correct you?

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ DV

        This is an exact cut and paste from Frank’s page

        I have had successful sugar relationships before coming to this site. This was by recommendations from mutual friends. They were with a couple of students, and one married couple. So, I understand the pressures on young married couples, and students, and have been able to successfully and discreetly provide financial support, and am not fussed by someone having a partner.

        What is it that I am inventing?

        And on the personal note, I find it funny that for
        the whole time we were discussing things here you never commented on my English. But as soon as I mentioned not being a native speaker you immediately use it to attack my posts. It actually very well fits with the overall negative view I have formed of your personality. After all you have yourself mentioned here going to the office of your coworker when he was not there, searching his desk for the paystubs, use them to blackmail your company to give you a retroactive raise and the jumping the ship anyway. I am surprised that SDs trust you to be near to them and I am very glad that I am not your target demographics.

      • Frank95 says:

        Yep, definitely english challenged.

        Apparently because I had one arrangement with one couple and two with students, in the past. That means I’m only looking for married SBs in the future.

        I think we can safely say that any future assertions by the resident “experts” here, that women have problems with logic are completely blown apart by this.

        And apparently marital status, which is one of the filters on the site is inappropriate according to another anonymous. If the site owners have put marital status in as a filter, logically, it’s acceptable for the site.

        Finally, given that 50% of people are married by age 30, and many are in defacto relationships, and many more have girlfriends/boyfriends, the chances are extremely high that many women really have a partner in the background anyway.

        So, the faux outrage is just that. Silly as usual.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Frank95

        You can understand the confusion I hope. I mistook your mentioning married couples and partners as someone looking to take advantage of a husbands financial woes.

        I am happy that you are able to use SA to explore your sexuality in a safe environment.

        Have a nice day :-).

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Frank

        Sure Frank. You put: “So, I understand the pressures on young married couples, and students,” to your profile but that does not mean you are interested in starting an arrangement with them. What else do you have there? This one was funny. :-)

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        I have called you “reading impaired” a number of times, before wrote English wasn’t your native language. And corrected you numerous times.

        I just had to laugh when I saw that you post English wasn’t your native language: “AHHHH, that’s it! Maybe that’s @FunDude’s problem too?”

      • Frank95 says:

        Sorry FB, there’s no understandable confusion.

        You’re just making stuff up.

        But if it’s a single woman in desperate financial straits who gets stiffed as elaine pointed out, you have no sympathy at all, as expressed by your comments.

        But, otoh, if someone actually comes through in an arrangement with one married couple, there’s something wrong with it according to you?

        Haha. Funny “man” you are FD. But consistent you ain’t.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Frank95

        I think it is valuable for others to understand the desires of those giving advise. Your claims do not make sense.

        The option to look for single or married people is indeed a search option. There are many valid reasons a SD or SB would want to specify that. You are explicitly looking for “couples” and “partners” in your profile which is a quite the leap from searching based on marital status. I think is is clear you are looking for “something more” than the typical man/woman arrangement on this site and this explains why you need to put more effort into making arrangements than the typical SD.

    • Anonymous says:

      @AA judgmental and bitchy is not a pleasant color on another middle aged man.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Anonymous

        Actually I am not judgemental at all, Frank and his sugar couple can do whatever they want. After all suger bowl is a place for open minded people. But as Rem already pointed out, if Frank has a general condescending attitude towards guys here, he cannot be surprised if we point out weaknesses he has.

      • Frank95 says:

        You are being silly another anonymous.

        Even if I were looking for married SBs exclusively, which isn’t the case, it’s a standard filter button on the site. Yep, it’s a bog standard search built into the site.

        Yep folks, it’s one of the standard options the site is set up for.

        Keep setting up the straw men. I’ll keep knocking them down.

  83. Another Anonymous says:

    @Elaine

    Babysitting funds and being a mother

    Reasonably high probability. Alternative explanations include: lying to get some money for meet and greet, building a base for future lying about sudden baby expenses, nanny skipping on her duties to meet a pot.

    • elaine says:

      Sure, the whole story could be a lie and the babysitter could be a way to extract more money.

      I was just checking if I had read her post well or if it was just me “having made up that scenario”.

      So thanks for the confirmation! 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      bc we all know asking and being upfront about being gifted a little money for a meet and greet is way worse than being scammed after the girl has delivered her end of the arrangement.

      So, the moral of this story is men can be outraged and up in arms if a woman dares ask to be compensated as little as 100+ for a first meet,which is not a scam really if she is being honest—but if a woman is actually scammed after she has had sex it is ‘oh well’, ‘pussy is everywhere, so hers is nothing special’, ‘she has had PLENTY of other partners, OF COURSE, so what is the big deal?’. While countless blog men are up in arms if a woman accepts even a small sum of a few hundred without putting out. As if her time and companionship outside of sex acts performed is free money. SMDH

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        Yeah – and they had a friggin’ melt-down when I first came on to the blogs as a new member, and mentioned that one of my first “meets” for dinner I was handed $600 at my car. (Beginner’s luck, I only wish all my dinner dates were that generous.)

        They never seem to be able to fathom that there are men on this site above their socio-economic range who don’t think the way they do.

      • Anonymous says:

        @DamnVixen, have you ever tried the other site Whatsyourprice? I met one of my s daddies there. Many of the men on that site are also looking for arrangements. Funny but have seen a few of the same guys on both that site and seeking arrangement. Most of the first dates they offer $200 to $500. $500 is the max now I think?

        Do not let them bother you. A real sd does not mind bringing a gift or showing he is serious about an arrangement and he does that without you asking. And many of the gifts given are personal and not monetary in value. It is not just about the $$$ but the gesture.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        I actually have looked at that site, but not joined. When I first looked at the “sugar lifestyle” I joined three sites and just settled on this one. I live in a pretty remote area with few people on these kinds of sites (including even general dating sites) – so I assumed the WhatsYourPrice site wouldn’t be worth the time of setting up an account.

        As many “tourists” who come to visit my area, and who BEG for you to “just meet them for dinner” because they are in town alone – you’d think there’d be a huge market for that.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        I know what you mean about the “gesture” though. A really cute thing that several of the “sincere POTs” have done, without me hinting – which I find really interesting that they would ALL make the SAME offer …

        … is to buy a dinner and desert “to go” to take home to my daughter. In restaurants where a steak is $40-50.

      • Anonymous says:

        We also had an SD a few months back asking what to bring to his date with a SB as a gift for her and was thinking flowers.

      • Anonymous says:

        Requiring compensation on the first meet is no different than you being asked for a “test drive”. It is offensive. A true SD and gentleman will compensate you at least for your time, gas money, and babysitting but requiring it smacks of entitlement.

      • Anonymous says:

        Requiring compensation on the first meet is no different than you being asked for a “test drive”. It is offensive. A true SD and gentleman will compensate you at least for your time, gas money, and babysitting but requiring it smacks of entitlement.

        Not true. I do agree with the ‘require’ part tho. I have not required anyone to provide a gift—they offered or they were on the Whatsyourprice site so it was agreed upon. None of those dates asked or required a test drive. It was a demonstration of good faith and something they obviously wanted to do. I would not want to be with someone who had the attitude of tit for tat, gift for a test drive. It is a state of mind.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        That’s not what he said anon. He said asking a SD for compensation for a first meet was the equivalent of a SD asking you for a test drive t that he would ask for a test drive if you ask for compensation

      • Jaybird923 says:

        *** Not that he would ask…

      • Anonymous says:

        I understood what he meant but still do not agree with that sentiment completely. I see his point about it being offensive but to say that a asking for small gift or compensation or babysitter ect. like someone else said, is not the same as asking for a woman for a test drive of her body. If that were the case then why are so many SD who are on SA also on whatsyourprice? They do not mind gifting for a first date. That seems like someone who only values gifting a SB if sex is involved. I do not think time and companionship is less valued than the act of sex. With that said, I have never and will never require i.e. ask for a first date compensation. That is why I used Whatsyourprice or brought up examples of dates where the SD offered up a gift which was not always cash but a thoughtful and meaningful gift.

  84. Anonymous says:

    No, I didn’t manage to take part in that SA survey. What were the questions about, anyone?

  85. elaine says:

    Question for other bloggers:

    If a woman needs a babysitter to meet an SD, how likely is the scenario of her being a (single) mother?

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Elaine
      *Maybe she’s one of Frank’s poor married women, he’s taking advantage of. (Eye-roll).
      *In either case, it’s ok to scam her, because her vagina isn’t sacrosanct.
      -SeekingArrangement rules, according to @Fundude

      • Fundude says:

        I never condoned scamming. I don’t approve of it either way.

        I just stated it wasn’t “rape” like some SB feminists want to pretend.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes scam every non virgin SB or non Virgin Mary SB.

      • Anonymous says:

        No one said the word rape, until you just now.

      • Anonymous says:

        Well, I think it has been argued enough that conditional sex creates rape. If you have sex with a condition, and you don’t deliver it’s rape. If you have sex with a person who has the name Fundude but he has another name, and that was your condition, it’s rape. If you have sex with someone who looks specifically a certain way but he scams you, wither with surgery or a mask, then it’s rape. I am tired of repeating these. These are all absurd examples for law dummies like FD to comprehend.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Elaine
        Once again, FunDude reading comprehension problems. Not one single “SB Feminist” concept mentioned the word “rape.” Only that she spent her own money in exchange for a bad check. SMH – HOW does he function in real life?

      • DamnVixen says:

        How on earth did my fingers type “concept” instead of “comment?” And I’m on a regular keyboard, so I can’t even blame auto-correct.

        Spending all night/morning watching the Australian Open probably isn’t helping.

  86. elaine says:

    “The same woman has been giving away her vagina to countless men before this SD.”

    And there is the crystal ball again….

    • Fundude says:

      Under you scenario she is a “single mother”. She is on a website whereby she is getting intimate IMMEDIATELY for money with some random guy.

      I think its a pretty safe conclusion she isn’t exactly a virgin mary lol

      • Anonymous says:

        What difference does it make if she is a single mom who has only had one partner and is looking for an arrangement now, or she was the sluttiest out there but has no kids and is looking for an arrangement too?

      • elaine says:

        Gosh @Anon

        Don’t you know that makes an ENORMOUS difference in the logical and analytical minds of some? 😉

  87. Fundude says:

    Frankie appears to be attempting to make arrangements with married women who are under “financial distress”.

    I guess fucking a dude’s wife because he is desperate for money is how “nice guys” roll these days?

    Got to give Frankie credit though, the “nice guy” act seems to make his viewpoints popular among older SBs who wouldn’t give Frankie the time of day in an arrangement.

    Elaine clearly specified dudes like Frankie as a “no go zone” for an arrangement due to his physical features and age lol

    You can’t make this shit up

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Frank really hit a nerve with you. This level of animosity seems unwarranted. I’m sensing an undercurrent of jealousy here…

      • DamnVixen says:

        *FunDude spends the morning trying to pit Elaine and Frank against each other?
        *Frank preys on poor married women?
        *Single moms on this site aren’t the Virgin Mary, and thus scamming them is ok?

        – I think I’ve caught up now.
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      • Anonymous says:

        @DamnVixen good and valid summary LOL!

      • Fundude says:

        LOL jealous of what?

        Elaine clearly doesn’t find guys like Frankie attractive, yet Frankie thinks by kissing up to her he might get an arrangement with her or someone similar.

        Just showing how amusing that concept has become

      • Jaybird923 says:

        When did frank ever express an interest in Elaine or any of the blog SBs for that matter? It sounds like you recent the fact that he’s encouraging women to verify income because you know you’d fall short if put to the test

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes JB, it’s so funny to witness his reaction to Frank’s well-intended proposal. He clearly knows he would not pass that, and so he’s trying to put him down/change the subject to Elaine/demean him in every way.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Jaybird
        *Another one of those really Aspergers-like inability to understand that men and women getting along with each other, even on a site like this, doesn’t equate to sexual interest.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Shit I need stop using google text to speech and not editing lol resent not recent and Ithink it’s more the behavior of someone dissatisfied with where he ended up in life and has no real means to change it. But here on the blog he has a false sense of power. By causing turmoil on the blog he in a sense controls the interactions. When some one comes along that he can’t control he trys to demean or bully them into giving him the reaction he wants in an attempt to regain the lost power and control and supress the feelings of inadequacy and failure he feels in real life.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Jaybird

        I doubt that @Frank95 has more disposable income than @FunDude.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @DamnVixen

        You forget to add that middle aged women can compete with Mats Wilander in a game of tennis.

    • Anonymous says:

      I haven’t seem Elaine say that. Cite please.

      • elaine says:

        @Anon

        No I didn’t but some people just lack the intelligence to come up with something original themselves and then twist and put words in other people’s mouth to cause turmoil.

        It’s sad….

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anon
        A favorite SA trolling game is to write that people have posted things they never did. Like this morning’s gems: Frank is on this site to meet married couples and women 40 years younger.

    • FatB'StardSA says:

      @FunDude

      Maybe we should lay off @Frank95. Looking for married couples might imply he actually wants an arrangement with BOTH the husband and wife. If that is the case then his attitude makes sense because it is probably much harder to find such arrangements and he has to impress both partners with his ability to pay.

  88. elaine says:

    “This is about the same as a sugar baby pretending she will get intimate with a potential sugar daddy while shaking him down for money.”

    Sure, is exactly the same….. *eye roll*

    And such retards are allowed to become doctors in the US…

    • Fundude says:

      It is about the same thing.

      Just because you want to use feminist emotional shaming language to pretend some used goods woman “vagina” is all of a sudden sacrosanct because she got scammed out of money doesn’t make it so.

      The same woman has been giving away her vagina to countless men before this SD.

      The same woman is attempting to see her vagina for money.

      She is not some kind of Virgin Mary here lol

      • Anonymous says:

        So apparently FD thinks all SB’s are attempting to sell their vagina for money. Classy!

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        Fundude has a madonna/whore complex and disgust for women, if that isn’t apparent yet.

      • Anonymous says:

        He has no clue. That is why is obsessed with ranking SB allowances with looks like an escort agency would? What he fails to realise is that many of the highest paid escorts in history were not the most beautiful. He has no clue about escorts or SBs.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anon above,

        because he never was, is nor will be a SD.

  89. Another Anonymous says:

    @Elaine

    Well it sounds cruel, but if the lady puts a price on p4p and is cheated of her pay, she was cheated of her pay and it is too late to claim that her body and her intimacy are priceless.

    • elaine says:

      I never said her body or pussy was priceless @AA
      Read well what she wrote and read what I wrote please.

      He knowingly paid a single mother with fraudulent checks, after having make her spend her own money on travelling and babysitter?
      This guy is a predator of the worst kind, and it doesn’t matter if she has been naive or it was P4P

      If you guys really think there is ANY justification for his behaviour or compare the damage to that of a wealthy guy loosing couple of hundred $….

      *…shakes head in disbelief*

      • Fundude says:

        Frankie knowingly attempts to fuck the wives of guys who are poor and in “bad financial shape”, yet you seem to find this fine.

        I see Frankie’s behavior being worse than scamming some p4p SB.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        How is that any different from SBs fucking other women’s husbands because they are in bad financial shape? Are you saying married men shouldn’t be using SA and that you find their behavior worst than if a woman scams them out of money?

      • Anonymous says:

        I guess there’s no point Elaine, it just shows that these’wealthy’ dudes are all materialistic and are trying to break it down into numbers whether that be money or sexual partners. It’s hopeless.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Jay

        I seems that you did not receive the memo yet.

        When a woman complains her complaint MUST be taken at its face value as any given woman is permanently designated as a victim unless proven otherwise.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Anon you seemed to have missed the point of my post. It was directed at Fundude and his disgust at Frank for supposedly wanting to sleep with other men’s wives

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Jaybird

        Offering a poor man money to fuck his wife is the morally equivalent to a rinser targeting men with mental illness.

        That said I may be wrong about @Frank95. I never thought of it before but he is probably looking to have a sexual relationship with the husband and the wife. @Frank95 may not be the predator that I made him out to be.

    • Anonymous says:

      Women’s cognitive dissonance kicks in with such scenarios. Lol

    • Anonymous says:

      That is why it’s stupid to accept anyone for ‘pay for play’ or p4p or anything for play. Set a monthly allowance, get that and go ahead with the arrangement, unless you’re an escort or have a fetish of being one.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Everyone is making the assumption that it was p4p when the OP never said that. It seems more likely to me that since he wrote a check it was for a monthly allowance. Bigger sum can’t carry that in cash so he has to write a check….

      • elaine says:

        @Jaybird

        It is so funny how everybody seem to know the exact circumstances.
        P4P, a nasty bitch, a slut etc etc.

        BUT IT DOESN’T MATTER!

        The girl is scammed in the most disgusting way!

      • Anonymous says:

        “The girl is scammed in the most disgusting way!”

        AND her complaint MUST be taken at face value just like rape charges. Got it.

  90. elaine says:

    From the “Scam confessions” blog

    “@Kali says:
    January 23, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    Hey everyone. I’m a sugar baby on seeking arrangement . I just got home from seeing a daddy, we spent all evening after making am arrangment. I spent all my money getting there and back, paying for my ride and babysitter. The guy gave me a check. I got home and realised I could verfiy it over the phone. No money closed bank account. He also closed his SA account and blocked me from the phone. I can’t believe it I spent my rent money and everything. I feel like such a fool. I feel sick I don’t know what to do. Can I do anything? I have a photo of his drivers licence and the bad check. Any ideas?”

    Still any affluent @SD’s here insisting that they having being scammed out of a half month’s allowance is as bad as an SB being scammed for intimacy and her body?
    Is it affecting your live as does this girl’s?

    @Dave, still happy to brag about your own scamstories and giving false money?
    @ Fundouche, still proud on your “Brah” @Dave?
    @FatB, does @Dave still has to keep up the “good work”?

    • Kore says:

      They’re in for the revenge, @Elaine. The starting point is that don’t give a damn. The answer to those questions are obvious. I’d bet a Guiness over it.

    • Frank95 says:

      Add to that, anonynous below @ 8.07pm

      “…I venture, Frankie here…would certainly be a lot more well-mannered. I think if I were to ask him to repeat whatever he said, if we were alone on a dark street late at night, he would be a lot more reserved. He would say something different, I am sure of that…”

      You don’t need to wonder what would happen with this “man” if some unfortunate woman found herself alone with him in a hotel room. Not getting any money would be the least of her worties. And people think I go overboard suggesting women ask for details from prospective SDs. Yes, I understand that this makes it harder for everyone. But basic self protection from rapists is necessary.

    • FatB'StardSA says:

      @Elaine

      An interesting question. There are two issues here that you want to combine into one however…

      You want to elevate ” intimacy and her body” over money:

      A woman’s pussy is not some precious resource. The are plenty in this world and it is easy to create more of them. If a woman imagines her pussy is priceless then she should not put a fucking price on it.

      Being scammed:

      I don’t think scamming anyone is acceptable. SB’s who are in a bad financial situation should be careful about using SA as PEOPLE in this situation often take greater risks than they normally would.

      It is interesting that your favorite blog SD @Frank95 who “understands the financial pressures” is trolling SA for such SB’s and yet you find him very charming and witty…

      Have a nice day :-).

      • elaine says:

        @Fat

        Well, honestly I don’t see any indication @Frank is trolling for such vulnerable SBs. :-)
        The contrary, he is constantly warning them for scammers and predators.

        And I was not talking about the worth of “pussy” I was talking about how such an experience impacts on this girl v.s. how a rich guy would be impacted by losing $500.
        So yes, I value someones body and mind above money in this case.

        But sure, OF COURSE it was HER OWN fault! *sarcasm*

        Have a nice day you too! :-)

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Elaine

        “I was talking about how such an experience impacts on this girl v.s. how a rich guy would be impacted by losing $500.”

        It is interesting that you never consider that the SB who posted this story is a bitch. How about this for an explanation:

        The SD met the SB with the full intention of giving her an allowance. Said SB “spent the night” being a complete bitch. SD decided to get rid of her and cut off further contact.

        Have a nice day :-).

        P.S.
        It is too bad @Frank95 is too old for you…seems like a great guy! :-).

      • Fundude says:

        @FB

        Elaine wouldn’t consider Frank due to him being bald, chubby and too old.

        Frank has Elaine as his ideal age range.

        Unfortunately for Frankie, Elaine doesn’t feel the same way about Frankie.

      • elaine says:

        @Fat

        Yes, you’re right about @Frank, too bad!
        But indeed, he sounds like a great guy. :-)

        “The guy gave me a check. No money closed bank account. He also closed his SA account and blocked me from the phone.”

        Yes, maybe she was a bitch, we don’t know.
        But would you, as an SD, carry fraudulent checks around with you, just in case “she is a bitch?
        Doesn’t really seems like he had any “full intention” to give her an allowance….
        And even then, couldn’t he cut her off in a chiquer way and reimburse at least her costs?

        Try again Fatty! :-)

      • Fundude says:

        Notice how Elaine considers Frankie “nice guy” but wouldn’t date him if Frankie’s life depended on it.

        Elaine would you give Frankie a chance for an arrangement since he is so “nice” considering he is bald, chubby and pretty old?

        Lets hear the truth here Elaine.

      • Anonymous says:

        A woman’s pussy is not some precious resource. The are plenty in this world and it is easy to create more of them. If a woman imagines her pussy is priceless then she should not put a fucking price on it.

        This is not about pussy or sex you retarded fat pig. It’s about respecting her feelings and body, having morals and ethics, and not hurting people on purpose. If you are in favor of these, and value money over them, I am really sorry that the world is carrying a subhuman.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Elaine

        I don’t know about bounced checks…does the bank tell the person cashing the check that the account has been closed?

        If he cancelled his SA account then he must have been really impressed with this SB.

        This story sounds like BS to me actually, but let me answer you other question.

        “And even then, couldn’t he cut her off in a chiquer way and reimburse at least her costs?”

        If she was a complete bitch and spooked me enough (threats of blackmail etc.) that I would close my account then there is no chance in hell I would give this person anything or have any further contact.

        Have a nice day :-).

    • Fundude says:

      This is about the same as a sugar baby pretending she will get intimate with a potential sugar daddy while shaking him down for money.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Sorry she was scammed. Important lessons: 1) don’t spend money you don’t have 2) Take your time. There is no reason for you to jump into bed with someone on the first meet. 3) God’s sake don’t take a fucking check.

      • Anonymous says:

        Of course, who takes checks and is like, let me verify this one. Just accept cash, or a bank transfer before you jump on the bed with him. I thought everyone with common sense knew this. No checks, no giftcards, nothing except real money.

    • Anonymous says:

      What kind of a fool would do this and have his license plate number out there? Just go ahead and look it up. Then come back and we’ll tell you what you can do. I am sure he’ll be repaying you all that x 3 in a matter of minutes.

  91. Kore says:

    So, I’ve writen a bit more on my profile – it’s just the first draft. Now I can ask you guys to suggest some nice things to say (that I can relate with, obviously – I won’t hint/say that I am into certain fetishes if it’s not true).

    What should I put on my profile? :) :)

    • Kore says:

      @DV I will get back to you on your previous posts – I still have a lot to get done. :)

    • Frank95 says:

      Feel and dunk! 😉

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Kore
      Read my profile.
      Don’t ask OTHER PEOPLE what you should say. Have your own voice.
      1. Describe yourself accurately.
      2. Distinguish yourself, based on your own talents and interests.
      3. Discuss your background and things you are passionate about (not something an “escort” will do).
      4. Describe your philosophy of “sugar” and what kind of Arrangement you are “ideally” looking for, and what you will settle for while you are looking for that.
      5. Describe the kind of man you are looking for. Married, single, etc.
      6. Make it clear that you understand what sugar-dating is, what is required in an arrangement, you are reliable, and you know what your obligations are.

      • Kore says:

        @DV Thanks for that. :) Nice that you put it in point format.

        I was actually not being very serious about it since it’s for the experiment. I looked at it more like a blog slumber party profile make up session. 😀

  92. elaine says:

    About Frank, a REAL and wealthy SD:

    “He is just trying the nice guy act to make him seem less “creepy” than I’m sure most SBs find him.”

    Guess who is SURE about what SB’s think? 😉
    Our resident @Dumbo! LOL

    I am SURE most SBs here find Frank nice and wise, and like his intelligent, dry and ironic sense of humour :-)

    • Kore says:

      Either way, it’s not a bad tactic if you keep all your less gentlemanly thoughts in your head the whole time. No one will have to know the secret guilty pleasures. Wer ficken will muss freundlich sein!

      On the other hand, if you reveal things that someone doesn’t want to hear..

    • Fundude says:

      So since Frankie is such a gentleman, why don’t you try to make an arrangement with him?

      He has you in his preferred age range right?

      Oh wait, I guess being a “nice guy” isn’t enough because he’s bald, fat and too old right?

      • Anonymous says:

        Because they’re not in the same country, or even continent and people don’t start arrangements off this blog, they actually search their area for one.

  93. Another Anonymous says:

    @FunDude

    Actually Frank did not say a married lady. He said married couple. 😉

  94. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Frank95

    There was a lot of fuss here about your age preferences. Your profile says that you are 63 and you understand the financial pressures of young married couples and students and you are willing to provide assistance. So what is really your target demographics? What are the average ages of youbg couples and students in your town?

    And I am sorry, English is not my first language, so I might have misunderstood. Do you really say in your profile that you had an arrangement with a married couple? That seems like a niche market indeed.

    • Fundude says:

      Frankie is sounding pretty perverted trying to bang other dudes wives lol

      • Kore says:

        So what? At some point, if you’re going to cheat on your wife, you might as well choose someone who shares your situation in a certain way, lol.

        Or.. Are only men allowed to cheat?

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @FunDude

        Makes more sense now. The veneer of respectability peels off and we see the true nature beneath the surface!

        You read blog SB’s post how arrangements should compliment a SB’s life and should never be considered as a job and yet here is @Frank95 trolling SA for the financially destitute:

        “…the financial pressures of young married couples and students and you are willing to provide assistance”

        I think it is obvious that @Frank95’s supplicating blog persona is a front for how depraved he truly is.

    • Frank95 says:

      Well FD, you are the one who likes numbers apparently.

      Check out the numbers on married/defacto/committed couples by age.

      You’ll find something like 75% of women are part of a couple by that age. So, guess what? Many of those SBs who say they are single are in fact, likely to be partnered.

      So, even if this wasn’t a page about kinks, there’s a very good chance that most SBs here have a partner. Then, there’s those who have multiple SDs.

      You want to check the stats and see what you come up with.

      • Frank95 says:

        #age 30 in the above.

      • Fundude says:

        Yet here you are trying to get “married couples under financial distress” into arrangements so you can fuck the poor guy’s wife.

        Sounds like a very noble person.

        Shit, I wish I was such a “nice guy”

  95. WTF says:

    oh oh forgot to tell an interesting incident so guys pls be careful , viewed a profile and next I c is getting a message saying 250 per meet , I tell her that not into per meet and want an ongoing thing , she goes yes me to , so I ssy ok lets meet ,i asked if want to meet for drinks or should i book the room , lol the answer wad book the room , my question was ok i will for short stay unless u want to spend over night …..not please keep guessing the response , will tell you in little bit haha haha not one will be able to guess it

  96. WTF says:

    now are the sds not getting along either ? realy wtf ? lol but even as an sd I do support the girls here on this blog and would love to talk to them in private if I get a chance like jb Elaine kore

  97. Fundude says:

    Muslims teaching women in Germany whose boss. Muslims to those “bitches” they better cover up and stop with the alcohol or they are like “antelope for hungry lions”.

    {{http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3411641/Germans-ban-ALCOHOL-want-prevent-sex-attacks-help-North-Africans-integrate-says-Muslim-group.html#article-3411641}}

    Muslims are not playing lol

    • SSSD says:

      They can issue pistols, perhaps even shot guns and carbines like the M4, to women. Unlike in ancient times, modern fire arms actually make women viable in combat, at least on the defense (seeking cover behind protective barriers and reducing one’s own target profile). After a few successful self-defense shootings, the mob will disperse.

    • Dash says:

      Merkel knows it’s a disaster and has said the multicultural nonsense is a complete fail a number of times. I wouldn’t count on the government in any country to be of any help though.

      People of Germany and France and anywhere else seeing this issue need to HTFU and make it clear what is not acceptable. They need to it verbally and physically.

      • Fundude says:

        Except anyone who attacks the immigrants are being thrown in jail by Merkel’s govt.

        Merkel has strong support among women and minorities in Germany, therefore, she isn’t going anywhere. Her party remains strong.

        She continues to bring in many immigrants with over 1 million last year alone.

  98. Anonymous says:

    A funny article in NYP
    “I delivered takeout during the blizzard, and you won’t believe who stiffed me on tips…”
    Just goes to show you – not everyone who has money, will be generous.
    SBs, take notes.

    • KS says:

      Apparently his mistake was not asking to see their financial statements prior to making delivery….

    • Frank95 says:

      Note to SBs, you aren’t pizzas. Tips aren’t arrangements.

      Lolol.

      Keep swinging champ!

      • Anonymous says:

        Oh, Frankie… hahahahahahaha…
        You are such a funny guy, Frankie! Such a funny guy, I almost died laughing.
        I love you, Frankie!
        And, now, let me change your diaper, sweetie. You are going to take your medicine and go beddy-byes.
        And, I think I should restrict your time on your computer, Frankie… OK…ok do not get mad. Let me wipe your mouth, sweetie, here we go…

    • Frank95 says:

      So here we have it.

      You ladies are expected to put out for “tips” and be serially delivered like pizzas according to some.

      At least it’s out in the open.

      • rembodler says:

        @Frank95

        Frank, it is really none of my business and obviously it is a blog, you can say whatever you want. But if you insist on being condescending to your fellow bloggers, you should expect the disparaging comments similar to the one above. You can certainly pretend you do not care all you want. And maybe you indeed do not – but then why bother being here?
        People always go for a week spot and it is not that you don’t have any. Honestly, I saw no reason for you to be so derogatory. The OP punched you back, and I am sorry to say, I think you deserved it.

      • TVC 15 says:

        Frank, the pizza analogy occurred to me some time ago. That attitude is definitely prevalent.

      • ks says:

        @TVC 15
        Extra toppings can add an extra bit of flavor. For being so derogatory maybe you could bring a whip and heels and punish accordingly? :-) Or that’s not on the menu?

      • Anonymous says:

        @Rem
        Thank you, matey, but I don’t need anyone’s endorsement.
        I am certain, my buddy Frankie here would never say it to my face. People normally do not say things like that to my face, even if they are young, in good shape and there are a lot of people around. I venture, Frankie here…would certainly be a lot more well-mannered. I think if I were to ask him to repeat whatever he said, if we were alone on a dark street late at night, he would be a lot more reserved. He would say something different, I am sure of that.

      • Anonymous says:

        Well for shit’s sake he’s an old man. you gonna beat up an old man? well shit grow some balls

      • Frank95 says:

        Rem, it is truly difficult not to be condescending to guys who say the sort of nonsense these guys do under the cover of anonymity. And anonymous @8.07pm getting all hairy chested, again under the cover of anonymity, is beyond parody.

        You know, there’s 7bn people in the world right now. I can’t please them all, and even if I wanted to give anonymous types much consideration, there’s not enough time. So, if their only use to me is to be the object of some mild amusement, so be it. Would you take much notice of someone so wholly unconnected to you? Really?

  99. French VanillaSD says:

    There have been many references under this blog topic to “Vanilla” style sex. But no definition of what that may include or exclude. I am wondering if bloggers consider MF oral sex in the vanilla category, or is that more of a butter pecan? And how about some mild “Tie and Tease” play?

  100. Anonymous says:

    @Frank

    What’s your ideal SB age or age range?

    • Fundude says:

      Of course Frankie is looking at >20 year differences in age.

      He is just trying the nice guy act to make him seem less “creepy” than I’m sure most SBs find him.

      • Anonymous says:

        Fran’s not looking for anything because Fran couldn’t afford anything

      • Frank95 says:

        Frank is advocating that all potential SBs ask their potential SDs to verify their financial ability to provide regular financial support. Especially younger guys whose statistical probability of being able to provide money is vanishingly small.

        That’s to stop these guys who want to turn you into cheap escorts by pumping and dumping. Verifying their claims of wealth at least tells you if they have lied on their bio. If they’re lying there, they are most likely lying if they promise long term support. It’s a good test for truthfulness.

        Frank is prepared to do that.

        Is anonymous here prepared to do that? We’ll never know, because, being anonymous, it can’t be verified. On the other hand, any SBs local to me can check, and “out” me if I’m fibbing. See the difference folks?

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @FunDude

        @Frank95 has a good strategy for a guy with his personality and wealth.

      • Fundude says:

        @FB

        I agree.

        Its not like he could take the macho bad boy approach lol

      • ks says:

        @FBSA
        We all have different approaches. What ever works. He is entitled to promote his approach as it works for him. He is in the game and not the stands…

      • Anonymous says:

        Fran you’re as anonymous as me. I’m not the one using a fake profile. I can fully back up my assets if needed too. I really doubt you can do the same

      • Frank95 says:

        But you miss the point anon @ 8.10.

        Really you do. I don’t have to or even vaguely want to verify my ID, income and passed STI tests to you. All I have to do is verify them to potential SBs. Everyone else, meh!

        As for the absurd notion that anyone would believe I’m paying to put up a fake profile, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Going cheap. Again, why would I bother with someone that silly?

  101. Fundude says:

    LOL I wish TVC would shun me.

    She’s got too much of an ego to ignore my posts. I would prefer to interact with mostly the other SDs on this blog anyway to compare factual information or with the handful of younger/reasonable SBs that can offer insight into their situations.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Correction ” I would prefer to interact with mostly the SDs (other implies that you are one also and we both no that is not the case) who agree with me on this blog.”

      Any SD who disagrees with you isn’t creditable.

      • Fundude says:

        Incorrect. The few SDs that have disagreed with me, I have listened to.

        Frankie would be the biggest recent one.

        If you look at Frankie’s profile, he is looking for a SB >20 years younger than himself, confirming my suspicions about men wanting significantly younger females on this website.

        Notice how Frankie isn’t looking for late 50s and older SBs.

      • Anonymous says:

        Burn ?

      • Anonymous says:

        Yeah but he’s lookin for late 30’s to 40’s SBs. You still do not agree with that assessment.

      • Fundude says:

        I have always agreed with that assessment.

        I have reiterated many times guys in their 60s are perfect SDs for women in their late 30s to 40s. It was the SBs in their 40s that didn’t like that outcome.

        Ergo, I actually agree with Frankie’s age range for SBs

      • Frank95 says:

        JB, I think his problem is that he struggles with logic, statistics and math outside the crunching of numbers.

        His second failing is that once he has arrived, somehow, at a conclusion, he clings to it like a drowning man clings to a lifeboat, and cannot change.

        There’s no point in arguing. You can’t change someone’s mind with logic if they are incapable of following a logical argument. The best one can do is refute any silliness in the hope that others reading the comments are not led astray.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        come now Fundude cut the bullshit you haven’t agreed with anyone and you know it. If SD disagrees with you, you say it’s because he’s under pressure from society to say that, or he doesn’t really mean it, he’s just saying it to be a white knight, he’s doesn’t count because he’s one random dude, he’s a greek alphabet, and list goes on. Please stop pretending you’re here out of some intellectual curiosity I’d respect you more…

      • Anonymous says:

        But @Frank is not looking to women 20 years younger to him. He wants girls 40 years younger to him.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I agree with you 100% Frank

      • Frank95 says:

        Anonymous @3.18

        That’s partly why I arrived at my conclusion that FD really doesn’t grasp logic. There’s no way, reading my bio, that one can conclude logically as FD has. There’s simply no logical path to his conclusion. Even if he were correct, he couldn’t have arrived there by means of logic.

        Further, since this is a sugar site, the women here are looking for financial assistance, by definition. So, if a SB is looking for financial support, she needs to hook up with someone wealthy, otherwise she won’t achieve her financial support. Since the average age of millionaires is around age 60, that’s the only age cohort to target with any chance of getting decent financial support. The statistics are clear on that.

        FunDude completely ignores that. He’s ignoring a fact that underpins the major major reason women come here instead of going to a normal dating site.

        If there’s any logic in that, it’s here: If he can convince younger SBs that older guys aren’t interested, those younger SBs will not try for older guys who can deliver the financial goods. That means younger SBs will have to settle for less than they otherwise could have received, because younger guys simply don’t have free cash flow. His hope is that if he can convince the younger women to accept the lesser amounts, at some point he will be able to afford them.

        Having said that, there are younger guys with free cash flow, but they are so rare, that any SB who doesn’t ask them to verify is being very very foolish. But give them a chance, if they claim to have money, let them prove it. Any guy who has money will be happy to brag about it and verify.

      • Fundude says:

        @Frankie

        My numbers and logic is on point.

        How come you aren’t asking for a 60 year old sugar baby Frankie?

        Please tell.

      • Anonymous says:

        Fundude haven’t you learned not to argue with women by now? even ones disguised as men?

      • Frank95 says:

        LOLOL,

        See the problem here folks?

        We are on a sugar BABY/sugar DADDY website. Age difference is explicit in the type of site. Hint FD: it’s something to do with age implications of the words “baby” and “daddy”. Lol. It’s not a normal dating site.

        So, here’s someone who claims his logic is “on point” *chuckle* when his question is totally irrelevant to the whole point of the site.

        Indeed, this is like dealing with the Black Knight in Monty Python’s “Holy Grail”. FD only has a “flesh wound”, logically speaking. :)

      • Fundude says:

        Frankie,

        Newsflash, I have stated all of that before. I have strong argued that was the premise of this website.

        The older SBs on here strongly disagree with that sentiment.

        That is how the “conflict” developed in the first place

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        I think @Frank95’s strategy is clear now.

        A young (35+ year old) SD working in finance/technology can provide a practical allowance level.

        This creates a situation in which the older SD’s (60+ years old) need to up their allowance to the moderate range.

        We all know that net worth in older SD’s does not translate well into disposable income. This creates a problem with the less affluent older SD such as @Frank95 who needs to stick to the practical range himself.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @FunDude

        Don’t try to argue with @Frank95, he is three steps ahead of everyone!

        He has destroyed the younger SD’s in his own area with his SB guide lines and now he has declared war on the blog SD’s. @Frank95 is going to change the way arrangements are done!

      • Frank95 says:

        Hence my recommendation, FatB, that women ask for verification of a potential SD’s ability to pay.

        It’s really simple. If a guy puts down a high net worth, but can’t show, say 5%-10% of that in cash, then they have a liar on their hands, and should “next” him.

        Your example makes my point for me. Thank you. :)

      • elaine says:

        @Anonymous 4:37 pm

        “Fundude haven’t you learned not to argue with women by now? even ones disguised as men?”

        Anon haven’t you learned that FD is craving for female attention and that, as all little kids, he doesn’t care if it is negative attention as even that is a kind of attention?

  102. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Rem

    In general terms I agree with your assessment, my personal situation was different because I traveled literally every week and frequently longer than a week. I also generated a lot of miles. So in my case the long distance meant meeting my SB say at Chicago and fly for a two week business trip to Europe or Australia. Admittedly a very unique and fortunate situation that lasted only few years.

  103. Anonymous says:

    ok how can I do a search to look for dom sb in my area

  104. anonyous says:

    as someone lurking the blog and reading the comments, it sounds to me from reading Vixen that you are more of an escort in disguise than what I thought a sb was all about. I know I am not the only one lurking and not posting and would like to hear from the other lurkers as to what they are thinking, or am I wrong in what I understanding

  105. elaine says:

    @Dash

    Yes I only have long term, long distance arrangements.

    My SDs are businessmen who travel a lot, and I travel with -or to- them. Wherever.
    We stay some days together, he does his business as usual during the day and we have the evenings and nights together.

    For us it is ideal because they are married, and like this we can go out together without problems being seen and I can keep my private life away from my personal life too.

    Since I can work a lot on-line, the time I loose for travelling for me is not all lost.
    But anyway there is a high pricetag for such type of arrangements, it takes me nearly 2 full days of travelling only for staying one night with my present SD.
    Plus the costs of airfare, taxis etc.

    Check the “long distance” blog too, some hilarious comments there! :-)

    • Another anonymous says:

      Second that, pretty much my experience just from the SD perspective.

    • Dash says:

      Thanks Elaine,

      High price tag is right. I just can’t see the logistics of it working out long term right now but the business I’m building now is location and time independent so it can be a possibility for me going forward. And every now and then I’m tempted to try.

    • rembodler says:

      Not to sound “salty”, but LD arrangement is probably the tiniest bang for your buck.
      Since these dates are rare, being LD, the cost per date is a lot higher. To keep a quality LD SB interested in you when you do not see each other for weeks requires – as it should – a larger one-time investment.
      If your SB is local and you can reliably see her on a regular basis, your investment per date is always lower. If someone sees you once a month, she can reasonably argue it should be worth her time. The SB who genuinely likes you (and why have any other kind?) will get the same per month as your long distance SB and you get four-six (or, if you are reasonable about it, unlimited) dates.
      While it is possible to stock on liquor, not so much on sex. I am not even talking about the plane tickets or hotel costs. To me the choice is clear.

      • SSSD says:

        @Rem

        Your analysis is correct for most SD’s and SB’s. However there might be a few factors making such LD arrangement work:

        1. Significant difference sugar price between regions. The price difference might be greater than the cost of transporting an SB. It’s akin to importation of any other kinds of goods.

        2. The SB has been in the bowl for many many years, and has long exhausted the local supply of SD’s who can afford her. In ano avwrage city of about 80,000 people each living to 80, 500 girls rise to 18 and become eligible for becoming an SB every year; only 1% of US population are millionaires, that means, of the 500 men that die every year in that small average city, only 5 millionaire slots are opened up for new millionaires.

        As you can see, an SB requiring significant amounts (say, over $1500/mo or so) is bound to exhaust the supply counter parties in a small local area after only a few arrangements.

        That’s why I try to keep my self interested in order to the SB’s for as long as possible, and come up with reasons to justify keeping them longer :-)

      • elaine says:

        @Rem

        That doesn’t sound salty, because you are right.
        These are very expensive dates, so yes rationally the tiniest bang for your bucks, if you look upon it that way.

        My married SD flying me over for only one evening and night -as he sometimes does- spends a lot of money when doing that. And I spend a lot of time.
        But as long as we both think it’s worth while and he has the means and I have the flexibility, who cares? :-)
        It works well since 2 years already, so….

        He could very easy find someone local (I have checked the “competition” in his city) but for one reason or another, he doesn’t.
        I even dare to say he is so attractive he could easily find 30 somethings for free. He had such affair before. Ended up in a lot of drama though.
        So now he prefers an arrangement with clear limits in the emotional dept., as he doesn’t want to risk his marriage.

        When I travel with him the costs are lower, because his hotel and all expenses of dinners, taxis etc are on his company. So then it’s mostly my airfare.

  106. elaine says:

    So happy to be in the position to have standards and reject SDs I don’t find attractive! :-)

    • ks says:

      I’m very happy for you. Choice is a wonderful thing. Can you describe the rationale for the last one you rejected?

      • Elaine says:

        @KS, the last one? I didn’t feel attracted to him.

      • Dash says:

        Bald and fat. She’s an admitted baldist and fatphobe. Scarlet BF!

      • elaine says:

        @Dash

        No, with bald or fat men or men I find unattractive, I don’t even meet.
        It stops at a friendly answer: “I don’t see a possible match, but thanks for your kind message, I wish you succes in your search!” :-)

        But hey! That’s just me, I am NOT stating bald or fat men are unattractive.
        It is just that I PERSONALLY don’t feel attracted to overweight or bald men.

      • Dash says:

        I’m just busting you a bit it’s all good. I don’t thing people need to justify taste.

        Funny enough I used to think I couldn’t date women with short hair but I’ve recently come to realize some women can pull it off. But it’s definitely rare!

      • TVC 15 says:

        Well, DV? Still think it’s a good idea to talk to human garbage?

    • TVC 15 says:

      Do you mean with or without having met IRL?

  107. Another anonymous says:

    @ Dash

    Anyone ever done long distance speaking of that? For a length of time I mean, not a one off.

    Yes, I have done long distance and for a very long time by SD/SB standards, more than 3 years. It worked very well, but I was in a specific situation of spending 150+ days a year on the road, having nearly unlimited frequent flyer miles and having a SB that could take majority of her school classes on line.

    • Dash says:

      Wow 3 years nice. Ok I can see that under those circumstances. Thanks for that. So she would come with you where you traveled or you’d frequently go to her area? I’m not quite at the unlimited frequent flyer level yet but I can see that in the future possibly. Or at least more often than now.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Dash

        It was mostly travelling together. She visited my city and I have visited hers, but mostly time on the road together. At that time I did have a rather unique job assignment, so we have visited all continents together (including Antarctica).

  108. Another anonymous says:

    @ Dash

    If not you need to pay more and even that might not be enough. (as to appearance)

    Yes, this is an absolute fact and nobody will object if you write it about a guy. But just try to write about a lady, that given her looks she must be contend with less and even accepting zero might not be good enough. :-)

    • TVC 15 says:

      Even an ugly woman can get laid and paid, AA. That’s why you’ll never have gender parity on this front, no matter how many protest signs you paint or consciousness-raising meetings you attend.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ TVC15

        How do you know that? :-)

      • TVC 15 says:

        Everyone knows that, AA. It’s only some who feel the need to cry about it on the Internet. :)

      • rembodler says:

        @TVC
        A notion that “even an ugly woman can get laid and paid” is slightly exaggerated.
        Come on, blogettes…be honest – don’t you all know someone who complains how she has not been laid in awhile? One of your neighbors, coworkers, gym buddies? Not ugly at all, in fact, a decent looking and intelligent woman in her 30s?
        While women “can” get laid, finding the right person they want to “get laid with” – for that decent-looking intelligent woman – is not so easy. That one is married, that one is bald, that one is weird, that one is a player and probably has an STD etc.
        I find it funny how TVC finds it possible to take both of these positions simultaneously…

      • TVC 15 says:

        Agree with you 100% that finding a worthy lay is a challenge for most women. I’m just saying that if all she wants is to make money at it, pretty much any woman can do it. It’s a gender disparity that troubles AA and I’m sorry for it, but disclaim responsibility.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ TVC15

        Actually the presumed gender disparity does not trouble me at all. It is more being entertained by double standards applied here. You can say that “everybody” knows that and it is suppoosed to be the gospel. On the other hand FD is expected to prove his statements by rigorous scientific standards and every outlier exception that in normal science would be ignored is considered an irrefutable proof that he is wrong.

      • Elaine says:

        Well I think TVC is right, EVERY women can get laid and paid for it. Look at the meth zombie prostituees. With what kind of men she gets laid, THAT’is more the question…

      • Rise says:

        I’ve known a couple of girls who complained they couldn’t get laid. They were both obese. Nobody would touch them. Felt bad but couldn’t help LOL

      • Fundude says:

        Yeah it’s similar to how women will never be good at technology, science or mathematics in general.

        It’s kinda simple biology.

      • Fundude says:

        Yeah meth crack whores get about 5 dollars for a Big Mac to get banged

        Also, if we are to give women affirmative action due to their inherent limitations in terms of scientific prowess, surely we should give men affirmative action on the sexual front to be fair right?

      • rembodler says:

        @Elaine
        Even using your example (meth zombie prostitutes) one should say “some” women always can get laid, ugly or not. I stand by what I said above, to say “EVERY” is incorrect.
        If we follow your example, we can say, every men can have sex for 20 bucks. While not free, well, it is pretty close. You can collect that by loitering on the side of the highway. Who can he can have sex with, well, yes, that is not a very pretty question.

      • elaine says:

        @Rem

        That’s the same concept indeed; EVERY man can get sex for $20.
        And here raises the same question as given in my example: with WHO?

        That indeed is not a pretty question…. :-(

    • Another anonymous says:

      @ TVC15

      And on more serious tone, the numbers are speaking against it. It is a safe bet, that the number of SDs who are willing and able to pay long-term reliable reasonable allowance is SUBSTANTIALLY lower than the number of POT SB who compete for them. Every year there is about 2 million girls graduating high schools in the US, a large pool of potential SDs indeed. Somewhat I do not see the US economy producing wealthy men at comparible speed.

      Sure even the least desirable lady on a small island can get laid and paid when an aircraft carrier is in the port, but long-term steady SD/SB, I really doubt.

      • TVC 15 says:

        All she has to do, AA, is settle for the least desirable SD.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ TVC15

        That is only partially true. If the number of females and males in the population is comparable or males are predominant, you are absolutely right. And you are of course right if men are substantially more promiscous.

        On the other hand, if there is much larger number of pot SB than the number of SDs, then even the least desirable SD will have his pick and probably will not even see much less consider the least desirable SB.

        Btw I find interesting, that FunDude is ridiculed here for his SMV theories, but in the usual conversation both you and me are very quickly implicitly operating with the idea that there is such a thing as a quick agreement who is the least desirable SD or SB. FD would call those having the lowest SMV.

      • Anonymous says:

        How many of those girls actually become SB’s? The number was much smaller back in the day, nowdays the pool is much larger. However usually SDs take up more than one SB and usually arrangement do not surpass the 6 months mark before they start looking for other SB/SDs.

    • Dash says:

      Definitely AA, same for the women. I would still say effort counts for a lot though. So many of the SBs throw it away with the “Spoil me” nonsense and “Gimme” attitude there is a lot of room to differentiate by more than just looks.

  109. rembodler says:

    @Vixen
    The reason everybody was so easily convinced that you meant what you meant, DV – about waitresses and hairdressers – is because you are a snob. Contempt for lower classes is part of it. If you lived in the UK, you would always throw “blue bloods” names around here. In the US, we do not have aristocracy, sorry – so, I suppose you have to be content with a “very successful lawyer”, a “porn director’ and poor Mats Wilander.
    I am not even talking about a…what was that…a Porsche driving mom or some such.
    Something tells me that you came from very modest means (as most snobs are) and it is your lifetime journey, to associate with “nobles”. Just a guess, I could be wrong. People who came from riches normally would talk for hours about their grandpa who came to US “with one suitcase and a pillow”. About their dad, who runs some or other executive board or two, they talk rarely and reluctantly.
    I apologize if it sounds too personal – however, with your sharing your entire life here, what else do you expect?

    • Fundude says:

      This is a correct assessment and makes sense logically.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Rembodler/Fundude/Reading Impaired
        As my profile says, my family were Air Force pilots. My mother and grandmother were “social climbers” and married “up” in multiple marriages. I was raised to think an education would get you a better-level husband (turns out, doesn’t work that way), first job in Palm Beach, dated a politician (college) and millionaires in Palm Beach and decided I did NOT want to live that way (socialite wife).

        YES – I am absolutely a snob, in the sense that I would only date a doctor, lawyer, military officer, or profession at that level (though I have “dated-down” and regretted dealing with free-loading and “Dutch-treat”).

        I’ve NEVER claimed to have been born with a silver-spoon in my mouth. I have had to fend for myself.

        IN CASE THIS FACT HAS ELUDED YOU … THIS IS A SUGAR-DATING SITE. The point of being on this site is to FIND MEN WITH MONEY. There’s no “contempt” for the lower-classes (let them do their thing) – but that isn’t the POINT of this DAMN SITE. Is it?

        I have tried to give advice to the “waitresses and hairdressers” how to essentially “social-climb” to get to the men with money.

        How would I know how to do this? Three generations. Grandma, mom, and I did it myself. I’ve lived and worked and socialized in “that environment” and know how it works and what those men want.

        The fact that YOU keep labeling me as a snob, means that you’re insecure about your own financial and social status.

        YOU are the one always trying to get the “most bang for your buck.” Griping about spending too much money for sex. Always trying to “cheap-out” …

  110. Fundude says:

    Elaine comments:

    @Jay

    Yes fat OR bald for me is an absolute NO!
    I just can’t… Makes no difference if shaved or just bald.

    Some years ago I had a 30 yo very attractive sexbuddy.
    But then one day he came with his head completely shaved, and I couldn’t have sex with him anymore, I just couldn’t!
    We picked up our dates few months later when it had grewn again.

    If that makes me a “baldist” and “fattist”, yes, I am guilty as hell. :-/

    Oh the hypocrisy is immense in this statement. When men state they don’t want fat or older women, we get crucified, yet here the older blog SBs clearly have “standards” despite being undesirable in age themselves lol.

    You got to love it.

    Its like the BBW women demanding a thin/good shaped dude lol

    • Jaybird923 says:

      The difference between Elaine and you is she said for her it is a turn off. She didn’t say her own personal preference are what everyone is seeking nor that they were what everyone else wanted.

      • TVC 15 says:

        Jay, I’m literally begging you, please. If you keep talking to him it will never end.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Sorry TVC I just can’t quit him. LOL I’ve been arguing with him for almost a year. It’s hard to stop bad habits.

      • Fundude says:

        Oh please. Many of these women state these comments in general, particularly for older SDs that are “too old”.

        They just haven’t had the opportunity to state this stuff further because they are getting flack for it.

      • Fundude says:

        LadyScarlett,

        Its ok feminista. Your shunning tactics don’t work lol

      • TVC 15 says:

        Well Jay, next time you’re sick of it, take out your compact if you want to know whose fault it is.

      • Josh says:

        @TVC = @LadyScarlett for sure.

        I am pretty sure about it as I was sure about the fake FB. 😉

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @TVC LMAO I actually don’t own a compact but point taken. Plus I’m not the only one who’s communicating with him.

      • TVC 15 says:

        True Jay, but you are a prime offender, and I have been remonstrating with the other miscreants also. It worked for awhile until people weakened, and it can work again if they want it to.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        LMAO So I’m the top miscreant? I do like to excel at everything I do. :-)

        @Fundude Would you please try to limit your stupidity so that I might have a chance of succeeding in shunning you for a longer period of time?

      • TVC 15 says:

        Yeah, that’ll work. 😉

    • ks says:

      LOL I think they do love it. They just love bad boys who they can tame and domesticate…

      • TVC 15 says:

        I love real bad boys, the kind who like parties and getting in trouble. FD’s just a nasally-voiced, repetitive whiner. He’s the equivalent of a jackhammer across the street on Sunday morning when you’re trying to sleep.

      • Fundude says:

        LadyScalett,

        Most used goods women love “bad boys” but like the money from sugar daddy.

        This is nothing new. You are just one of many such examples.

      • Josh says:

        @TVC 15 = @LadyScarlett

        “I love real bad boys”

        Duh!!!

      • ks says:

        @FD @TVC
        Talking of used goods and of course cars from a few posts back…
        [http://9gag.com/gag/aXEOONV/best-used-car-advertisement-ever-by-aston-martin]

        Advert is a fake but as a meme it gets the message across…

      • Anonymous says:

        I like real bad boys who will fuck me and pull my hair while the cops are after him.

      • TVC 15 says:

        I prefer the smart ones, who know how to fly under the radar. 😉

  111. DamnVixen says:

    Since the subject of this article is “Kink” – I’m bumping it up here. NOT trying to antagonize you, Jaybird.

    @Jaybird
    I don’t think it’s a weak argument? I am talking about a genuine, long-term, SD/SB relationship, where the allowance is going to be generous. NOT escort sex at Motel 6.

    We have seen a few examples just this morning. @Dash saying he wanted to try new “kinky” sexual things, and the @Anonymous that is interested in pegging and anal play.

    There’s a demographic on this site that is looking for “kink” SPECIFICALLY.

    – I have seen at least a dozen “couples” looking for a third “regular”.
    – One man wanting massage/happy endings on a regular schedule.
    – Two have contacted me wanting to be “forced” to have sex with another man. (Margaret Cho calls that “dick training wheels”).
    – Many Doms, many subs.
    – One who contacted me, has a “cream-pie” fetish, where he likes to lick a woman clean after she has had sex with another man (cuckhold fetish).
    – Many want threesomes, moresomes (and don’t have an SO).
    – Public sex, anal sex, BDSM, D/s, “squirters,” toys, foot fetish, “making home movies,” latex, lactation … the list goes on.

    AND they want the KINK in conjunction with an SB/SD relationship. (So referring them to Alt or FetLife isn’t helpful).

    I don’t see it as a “scare tactic” … nor is it inaccurate to say that many people are “brainwashed” to think missionary sex is the only “normal” sex.

    I’m not saying by any means that a woman HAS to do ANYTHING she doesn’t want to do. Just that they should be aware that – oh, I’d bet more than half the men on this site who are serious SDs – are looking for sex that is beyond vanilla. I’d bet more than 3/4 (though it might not necessarily be a deal-breaker).

    I have hard-limits myself, like scat and anything that will expose me to unreasonable risk of disease.
    ———————————————————–
    Jaybird923 says:
    January 24, 2016 at 8:26 am
    That’s a very weak argument. You always run the risk of losing POTs no matter what. That’s like telling women if they don’t want to accept $100 for an overnight at the local motel 6 they are going to run off POTs. I’m sure there are plenty of men looking for that too.

    You’d be better off advising people to be open minded and honest about what they are into so they can find a partner they are compatible with instead of the this scare tactic and brainwashed masses stuff.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      1) I hate the fact that anytime someone is having a discussion/disagreement with a woman they feel the need to add some disclaimer. I’ve seen you debate things on this blog with several male bloggers and never once told them you’re not trying to antagonize/offend them. I resent the implication especially when I’ve never once come on here and argued a point based on emotion.

      2) I am well aware that there are many people here looking for non vanilla I never disagreed with that. What I did disagree with is:

      “My point is – if an SB has hard sexual limits, and she’s looking for a new SD, she’s going run off some POTs.”

      That is a scare tactic and a weak argument for why someone should do what they are no comfortable with. I always say exactly what I mean please refrain from reading more into them than what is stated or twisting my words imply something else.

    • MissLady says:

      Yeah, I’d have to disagree with that as well Vixen. There are a LOT of plain vanilla sex guys in this bowl. Sure there are some that are looking for the ‘fantasy’ sex that they’re not having in their vanilla life (usually the married ones, no offense), but there are others that are just as happy to be screwing someone, no matter if there’s a kink or not.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @MissLady
        I guess women are reading-comprehension-impaired too.

        If I wrote 50% want more than “vanilla” estimating that it’s probably more than 75% … that still leaves “a LOT of plain vanilla sex guys in this bowl” … doesn’t it?

        Yes, there are also a ton of “prudes” on this site, who want an inexperienced/virginal girl to lie on her back, missionary-sex style.

    • Anonymous says:

      Thanks DV since that was more than offensive being referred to another site. I’m the original Anonymous who likes anal play btw. Think your numbers are right on target. Most vanilla guys here are probably fake not all but most. Think it takes a certain kind of mindset to not only be serious on a site like this but to have the assets to go with it too

      ………………..
      Been wasting my time looking for a really young SB but you’ve shown me I need to go older to get what I need…… thanks

      • Jaybird923 says:

        You found it offensive that I suggested it would be easier to find what you were looking for on an alternative website without the risk of exposure that you risk from this site? Lol well in that case I apologize good luck with your search happy hunting.

  112. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Jay

    Then she does have a problem. I always ask where she would prefer to meet. 😉

  113. Josh says:

    @DamnVixen

    “YES – we see SDs on this blog, CONSTANTLY saying that SBs should be GRATEFUL to receive a low allowance, because they “are only a waitress” or whatever.”

    Not really. Those comments are primarily for the “meet and greet” and “getting to know” stages of the the potential arrangement.

    “It has been repeated by some of these men, numerous times that unless you’re young, skinny, pretty, “compliant” you have no business on this site. And that the prettiest and youngest gets the most money.”

    That’s primarily @FunDude’s position, who is NOT an SD to start off with. If you ask him, the only women who would get any allowance from him have to be VS models.

    Most SDs are fairly reasonable when it comes to allowance.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I sincerely doubt that even a VS model would receive an allowance from him. His ego wouldn’t let him admit that he has to pay for their company so he would find some illogical reason to justify why he could do better or why she didn’t deserve an allowance.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Josh
        Thanks for saying so (kissing geriatric SB butt, you Omega male). But I know I’ve seen more than just @FunDude writing that.

      • Anonymous says:

        They were talking about allowances also when they made fun of a girl’s profession and what they were most likely paid at their everyday job as a waitress, bartender or whatever- Not only meet and greets- what BS. I remember more than a few said, ‘why do they think they deserve a allowance over a certain amount when they couldn’t make that at their job? They could have sex with me once or twice a week and get paid twice as much as their minimum wage job.”

        Like giving access to your body with a jerk and or nasty old creep who is disrespectful and feels entitled to your young body for cheap is better than working at a respectable job.

      • TVC 15 says:

        +1

        I don’t sleep with assholes, but if I were willing to consider it, there’d be an asshole surtax so eye-watering that most of them would be eliminated anyway. :)

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Anonymous

        giving access to your body with a jerk and or nasty old creep who is disrespectful

        If you view your potential SD this way, I do not think you should even consider being his SB. It seems like the most mercenary prostitution to me.

        But as to the topic of SBs with poor pay jobs. I was never the one ridiculing them, having said that the concept of opportunity cost is real. If I am trying to spend time with a SB, who makes north of $ 1,000 a day in her usual job, I do need to take that into account while contemplating her allowance. And vice versa that SB should probably be willing to discuss lower allowance if her 30k a month job evaporated and she is unemployed or trying to get by by waitressing.

    • IHF2030 says:

      And cats who are fat-bald-married-significantly older, etc., have to pay a premium.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Fat I get, but do most women really care that much about him being bald?

      • ks says:

        I’m not fat, not bald, but acknowledge paying a premium for a significant age difference.

      • TVC 15 says:

        Bald isn’t a dealkiller, but it isn’t a plus either.

      • Dash says:

        I agree with this although I’d say unattractive guys have to pay more and unattractive women get less.

        You can be a big guy and carry it well, and some women are into the big bear kind of dude. Or you can be the giant belly spilling over your belt guy who works up a sweat peeling an orange.

        You can be bald with the bad comb over and straggly hair on the sides or you can be more the Bruce Willis, Jason Stathom type tight hair cut and relative good looks.

        Basically if you look like you remotely give a damn about your appearance it helps you. If not you need to pay more and even that might not be enough.

      • ks says:

        @Dash
        Also attitude, hygiene, personality, if they are all good, then everything is fine, if not the TVC 15 surtax will come into play or be nexted…

      • elaine says:

        @Jay

        Yes fat OR bald for me is an absolute NO!
        I just can’t… Makes no difference if shaved or just bald.

        Some years ago I had a 30 yo very attractive sexbuddy.
        But then one day he came with his head completely shaved, and I couldn’t have sex with him anymore, I just couldn’t!
        We picked up our dates few months later when it had grewn again.

        If that makes me a “baldist” and “fattist”, yes, I am guilty as hell. :-/

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Jaybird
        Sometimes it takes ONE GUY to change your taste forever.

        I used to never like bald-guys, then I met one (retired Navy pilot) who was so over-the-top sexy, that I think it “imprinted” on me so that I get the “hots” for older retired/military, shaved-head, muscular Jason Statham, Bruce Willis, Dwayne Johnson – types.

        I sent Elaine his picture and just on the photo she agreed. But I’m telling you – in person, in terms of charisma and sex-skills, he’d melt your brain.

    • TVC 15 says:

      Or she isn’t that attractive and the quality of VS models has really gone downhill

      • DamnVixen says:

        @TVC
        My latest favorite is that obese women are trying to FORCE men to be attracted to them.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        That’s not a new one he just gave it a break for a while. Read his comments on the BBW blog if you want more insight into his opinion s on that subject.

      • TVC 15 says:

        The rest of society is in cahoots with them, which is why you see BBW porn/models etc. All these men who would dearly love to be with a thin woman are forcing themselves to date/pay/look at fat women instead, because it’s more important to these guys to comply with the feminist agenda than to pursue the women who actually make their dicks hard.

      • TVC 15 says:

        See, we don’t need him anymore. We can write this stuff for ourselves now, and a lot more concisely too.

      • Fundude says:

        BBW porn stars aren’t popular. Look at up the body types of the biggest female porn stars.

        They look like Jenna Jameson not Roseann Barr

    • Fundude says:

      Actually, most of the SDs who blog here have confirmed they want younger/attractive women mostly.

      Even Frankie wants a female >20 years younger than himself.

  114. SSSD says:

    Regarding the alleged flakiness of younger SB’s (18-25 or 18-22), I don’t think it’s flakiness per se, but simply her having better options (in her eyes) than you. Over nearly 6 years as an SD, dozens and dozens of first-dates, I had only one SB failing to show up; not a single one failed to show up for a 2nd date if a 2nd date was offered. On subsequent dates, some even had to drive through huge snow storms or dig themselves out of snow banks in order to see me, even after I offered them to skip the day and my willingness to let her make up for the missed date later. If I were in their shoes, I would have taken the offer to skip and play safe, but not a single one of them did but every single one insisted on making the regular appointment regardless weather and driving conditions.

    The young SB’s can be very dedicated and energetic. If she becomes flaky, it’s highly likely that she has found better offers from other SD’s (perhaps even at your first date) or has become / is an escort and having appointment over-run’s. Granted, a young lady’s judgement on what is a better offer may not always be correct; she could have gone on a date with “Dave” the scam artist instead of you. That’s just another reason why we need to get rid of the scam artists and serial pumper-and-dumpers, and teach the young ladies how to spot them using filters as well as setting realistic long-term goals.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @SSSD
      My “travel SD” – who lived in Las Vegas had the opposite experience. He was very experienced in sugar dating. (47 year old single lawyer, by the way, for those wondering). He was about 100% at spotting escorts.

      But his problem in finding/meeting girls who were NOT escorts, was that they were flakes. They weren’t sure whether or not they WANTED to be an SB. They were afraid of being seen or someone finding out. They were difficult to set a date with (had to be according to THEIR schedule). And, being irresponsible, wouldn’t show up on time.

      AND – the young local one that he finally found and hoped would work out and was reliable, turned out to obviously NOT enjoy sex with him. But since he liked her and trusted her and she “needed the money,” he basically paid her to be a babysitter and run his kid around to appointments because he hated the nanny his ex-girlfriend used.

      The shocker I had, when I referred a woman to this site who I thought would do well, was that her profile basically ignored everything I had said, and she just continued to waffle about whether she wanted to be an SB or not.

      I also just got an email from an SB wanting advice, and she carried on about being grossed out, and not wanting to have sex with men 30 years older than her, etc.

      I’d think the most prevalent reason that younger SBs are “flaky” is NOT that they found someone better, it’s that they don’t KNOW that they want to do this. They are just testing the waters, hoping to win the lottery (hot age-appropriate guy, and a lot of money).

      • elaine says:

        @Vixen

        I think you might have a point here.
        Like playing the lottery. Nothing to lose and maybe something to win :-)

      • SSSD says:

        Like I said, the flakiness indicates him being out-bid, even for that Vegas guy. Vegas doesn’t have good universities. Young ladies, and men too, go there to make money off tourists especially “high-rollers.”

        He was smart enough to eventually figure out the futility of competing against short-term bids from tourists. It’s just like if one lives in a city, it makes more sense to rent an apartment (or even buying a place and pay decade+ money rental called mortgage, although home owners on average move every 7yrs) instead of competing against tourists and paying for hotels by the night or week. The math is similar in sugar; if the property owner is willing to cater to short-term tourists, there’s little point for a long-term guy to compete on per unit-time basis.

        I used to interpret “reluctance” the way you did, but over time, especially over the past year, I realized that “reluctance” for anything is simply the existing offers not meeting the person’s expectations. Given enough money, there are contractors driving trucks for ISIS or the US Army while subjecting to bombing and murder from the other side, and it is not heck lot of money either, about $80,000/yr to risk lives for American men (for contractors, the regular army pays much less but does offer some kind of long term promises); even cheaper for locals. Some expectations are rational due to available market alternatives, some expectations are not rational, like you said, hoping to win the lottery.

      • Anonymous says:

        $80,000/yr pre-tax as a contractor is equivalent to about $4,000/mo after-tax sugar. That’s the “sugar” price of an American man risking his life as a truck driver for the military in the war zones in the middle east as a contractor with no long-term promises as in an army career. The regular military with a long term promise starts at $1566/mo pre-tax plus up to $225/mo for Imminent Danger Pay, so $1800/mo pre-tax for a man to risk his life on the front line. About $1500/mo after tax at that income level and being an employee instead of an independent contractor.

    • AAA says:

      As someone in this age group this is totally true. This actually just happened to me. A better offer means a lot of different things. The guy could just look better, he could offer more, he could want less, he could just sing to me when I stay the night, he could make me breakfast, he could be more willing to talk to me everyday. The SD that I finally agreed on was not the one who gave me the most money or the one with the best looks/body but the one who I felt like I could talk to for the longest about more random things and just be me. I had a lot of other offers at the time and had other POTs but I just kinda let them go/fall. Some I told that I got into a new arrangement, some I just told I wouldn’t be able to see them for the meet and greet. If all of my offers were from men who I did not want to be in an arrangement with I would have questioned if I even wanted to be a SB yes, but since I found men that I actually liked/vibed with I did not have that problem. I’m not a flake but If i have options then I choose the best one and I stick to it.

  115. Another anonymous says:

    @ Anonymous

    bc they were waitresses or jobs they did not think they made much money in.

    Well I was never a part of that crowd that ridicukled tham, but I can see two situations there.

    If the SB and SD already met and they are discussing allowance, then the income of the SB is of relatively small importance.

    On the other hand if the girl works a minimal wage job and wants to be compensated for her time for the meet and greet, that is marginally ridiculous. Even at modest and achievable allowance of $ 1,500 a month she is essentailly trying to double her after tax income. If she is not willing to invest few hours of her time for this, it suggests a major problem.

    And a small comment for DV. Your statement about being one dimensional is true for any occupation, income or situation in sugar bowl. It sounds a bit elitist to specifically list single moms and three jobs with very poor pay. A one dimensional stock broker or PhD in Mayan archeology can be the same as a one dimensional hairdresser.

    • Dash says:

      The people asking to be compensated on a first meet fall into a couple of categories it seems. Either they are just trying to do this to as many men as possible for quick cash, or they’ve had too many unproductive meets and are fed up.

      In either case it’s not something I’d agree to do under any circumstances that I can think of. Exceptions being paying for an uber to get wherever to meet or something along those lines.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Dash

        As to compensation for the meet and greet, I can see an exception for a long distance travel. If I am so smitten with a potential SB, that I am willing to invite her to fly to a meet and greet and ask her to take a day or two from work, then yes I should cover the flight, hotel and provide some compensation, even if we decide there is no chemistry and call it off. But to compensate somebody who lives 10 miles away for eating steak dinner with me?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @AA What if she doesn’t like steak and is only eating it to please you? lol

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        +1
        If I’m asked to travel, I expect compensation for all that time. Besides, if it comes to travel, we’ve gotten to know each other well and skyped/sexted enough to where I’ll know if I’m attracted to them or not, and vice-versa. (I don’t have a ton of SB experience traveling to meet people, but TONS from online dating over the years. If I travel – they pay. Or they can come to me.)

        I live in a tourist area, and there are TONS of SDs who claim that they have a condo here, they come here regularly for business, they want an on-going arrangement – and it’s obvious that they are just bored and want a tour-guide, dinner companion for the night (probably escort-level sex).

        I pretty much refuse to drive over an hour (one way) to go meet anyone, unless they compensate me. If they won’t come to me, or meet me half way … and they think I’m going to drive two or more hours total for the privilege of being fed, they are deluded. (Not to cop an attitude, but I’ve seen a lot of this too, and they aren’t genuine sugar-daddies. Just “site-seers.”)

        They are DELUDED if they thing I am going to drive two hours or more, back and forth, for the privilege of having dinner in a restaurant.

      • Dash says:

        AA Yup definitely. If you’re inviting someone to meet that isn’t local that’s on you to set it up.

        Anyone ever done long distance speaking of that? For a length of time I mean, not a one off. I was considering this recently. I think I’d have Skyped first, see how it goes. If that goes well I’d have a lot more confidence in it.

  116. Dash says:

    Further to the conversation about marketing yourself, what are some of the traits you value in an SB/SD beyond the obvious things like pure aesthetics, looks and financial help.

    Meaning you have 2 potential SB/SD’s. Both have similar looks and arrangement offers/requests. What sways you to one over the other.

    Effort. I will put in my share and I want to know she will too. I will arrange dinners, rooms, shows, movies, transportation if needed. I’ll think to buy a little gift just because. Try to do things we will both enjoy. So just showing up does not cut it. I have seen some SB’s make this clear in their profile and it makes a huge difference to me.

    Sincere. Whatever your thoughts or opinions are, so long as they are genuine, I can respect and appreciate that. Genuinely interested in each other, and the conversations we have. Mutual attraction goes along with this.

    Easy going with a good sense of humor. This is just the type I am personally attracted to. Sarcastic is fine but there are a lot of women who seem quick to anger or take offense and it’s a big red flag for me. Sometimes it comes out after talking for a while and everything seeming normal, so this is one I like to ask about.

    I’m thinking of one person in particular recently who I was talking to. I said I felt I was sort of boring when it came to kinks or sex in general, meaning I wanted to try new things. She took this as a personal insult thinking I was judging her by saying I was boring in comparison. Clearly someone looking to be offended or some past experiences being placed on my shoulders. That was enough for me to bow out.

    Appreciative but not dependent. Doesn’t need to be saved, has plans goals and aspirations of her own, but does appreciate being helped. I think this is all about both people being respectful of each other.

    And of course, a nice ass. I can look past most of the above if you have a really nice butt :)

  117. DamnVixen says:

    As I’m reading down at the messages of ALL THE OFFENDED PEOPLE … after responding to Kore …

    DID NO ONE READ, EVERYTHING THAT I WROTE, BEFORE THE FINAL STATEMENT THAT EVERYONE IS PISSED OFF ABOUT?

    That statement meant, men are not interested in “one dimensional” – cookie cutter – profile looks just like every profile – woman who has nothing to distinguish herself. If a woman is content with $200/encounter sex for two hours in a hotel room, by all means … stay one-dimensional. Let the competition between you all, be limited to who is young, has the best looks, and the sweetest personality.

    The fact that I gave the example below, of an SB “marketing” herself as an “aspiring artist” … is ABSOLUTE PROOF that I was NOT being “elitist” and saying women had to go to graduate school and get a PhD to get a good allowance.

    She could likewise, put on a football jersey of a favorite local team if she is fan.

    Or depict herself playing golf – a good thing for SBs to learn to play, in my opinion.

    There are girls CONSTANTLY asking why they aren’t having luck on the site, or asking for their profiles to be reviewed and are asking for advice on what they are doing wrong. Or, if they get offers, it’s just $200 hotel room sex.

    I repeat myself, “LOOK AT THE PROFILES OF THE SDs, LOOK AT THEIR INTERESTS, develop hobbies and interests that match theirs. Become the kind of woman they want to spend time with.

    And I’ll add this also … when they are with a Sugar Baby, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A BREAK FROM WORK, so don’t go trying to sound like your interests professional – think RECREATIONAL.

    I’ve explained multiple times … I get TONS of SD interested because I am a serious tennis player. Tennis is a sport that is enjoyed by a lot of men who have money. Tennis and golf are sports that men and women can play together. And many men who travel, play golf or tennis while on vacation. They see “tennis” (and Mats Wilander – and later a picture of my serving “form”) if they can immediately say, “Hey, let’s go out and play tennis some time.”

    My current Sugar Daddy has a tennis court at his house (including ball machine, etc.) – and he LOVED that we can go to dinner, have sex, get up and go to breakfast, play tennis, have lunch … a full relaxing evening and next day.

    Some of the girls should get the chip off their shoulder, read the entire context of the post, and take some constructive advice.
    ——————————————————————————
    DamnVixen says:
    January 23, 2016 at 12:10 pm
    @Josh
    Exactly what we say (and why not jealous, and why happy to refer friends).

    There ARE a lot of men out there (especially if you share). Men have a lot of different things they are interested in and attracted to. If a woman has something “special” that distinguishes her from others: an artist, dancer, athlete, “Domme” … and is somewhat attractive with a nice figure, she’s going to have a “niche” …

    Not that anyone notices any of my advice to young SBs, but that is something I constantly repeat. BECOME the kind of woman men are interested in. Look at their profiles and what they are looking for. Look at their hobbies and interests.

    A cute sugar baby could don an oversized shirt (no pants), splash herself with paint, painted canvases behind her (whatever crap is on them, irrelevant) – label herself an “aspiring artist” and embrace a bohemian personality, and TONS of men would be falling all over themselves to “further her art career.”

    High school education, single mom, waitress, secretary … just isn’t interesting to men.

    • SSSD says:

      Taking statements out of context, projecting one’s own closet prejudice then feign outrage . . . that, dear, is full-time sport around here :-)

      • DamnVixen says:

        @SSSD
        At least some of us try to give some constructive advice.

        (Even though, some of my “half-joking/but really serious” advice of “ply him with alcohol, stroke his dick” suggestion was not well-received in the discussion of bumping your allowance offer up. Which again – was taken out of context, because the bigger message was to discuss the allowance IN PERSON, when the SD is relaxed and aroused and more susceptible to influence. SDs – as I said then, can get ticked off that I’m advocating taking advantage of the men – but as I said, an SD can always end the arrangement – it’s not a lifetime contract. Many admit that they could pay more than what they do. AND it prevents the later problem of an SB accepting an allowance lower than she is happy with, and later appearing ungrateful and making up “emergencies” for extra money.)

      • Kore says:

        Lol. @DV, I think talking about allowance during his arousal will kill it.

        I’ve heard how it’s hard for men to stay hard when the prostitute in a brother keeps trying to get him pay more.. They get reminded that it’s about the money for the girl.

      • Kore says:

        brothel, haha

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Kore
        It appears to be the exact opposite of what you think.

        I’m going to look for some videos featuring “Air Force Amy” – a legal prostitute in Nevada. She mentors a lot of new prostitutes (I saw her in a documentary, and then watched her on “Cat-house,” and then looked for any other videos that I could find.)

        As I’ve said, I’ve been researching and blogging about sex for about 14 years now, I always figured, if you want to know what men are interested in sexually, and how to be as good in bed as possible, a good source is to look at what a successful legal prostitute does. She’s making a ton of money. She obviously knows what she is doing.

        She is one of the most, “used up looking, old whores” you could imagine – probably 40 or older, fake hard boobs, bouffant bleach-blond hair, heavy make-up … yet she is one of the highest earning prostitutes in Nevada. She constantly gives advice to younger girls, they don’t listen to her, they don’t make any money.

        I predict @Fundude or others, coming back here to say that she is lying, or what ONE woman says doesn’t constitute “proof” of anything. But she’s famous, multiple sources, even her enemies confirm that she is in high demand and makes a ton of money.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Kore
        When prices are initially discussed at the brothel, there is a “menu” of options for men to choose from. She will always try to “up-sell” them. And she flirts the entire time.

        I also saw her video “educating” the girls when she gets the guy into the room, she has a huge basket of brand-new, in-the-package sex-toys. All kinds of bizarre things. And she will pull them out one by one, offering to use them on him if he wants to “buy” them (of course, at a significant mark-up of what the toys cost). (There’s an ATM machine in the rooms.)

        The brothels also apparently have a timer, and a woman who will knock on the door when the time is up. She doesn’t just let them leave, she’ll try to convince them to stick around longer.

        When all the other young pretty prostitutes, sit around watching TV all day, and then come and stand in the “line-up” when a man arrives at the whore-house (thus, the one most attractive to him wins) … Air Force Amy is on the internet with her own website, chatting with men all over the world, talking them into coming to Las Vegas to come visit her.

        Tons of other examples of how she makes money.

      • Kore says:

        @Vixen Yes, there is the art of pleasing men and sure, prostitutes use it for their profession. Still, the sugar world isn’t the same – in the end, it isn’t just about sex and money. If it were like that, most SDs would just offer the highest amount they could to the girls they find prettiest and that’d be all there is to it. They wouldn’t care if she’s one way or the other so long as she’s more or less nice in bed. I think the psychology is different.

        Men know they’re going to be having something done to them from someone who does it to everyone. That they’re going to eff on the same bed, counter, bathtub, whatever. That she’s never going to excite him with emotions, just with dirty talk that she whispers to anyone.. It’s very exaggerated. Sugar is a great alternative, IMHO, to live out, practice, discover without having to turn it into an exaggerate profession.

        The porn girls between the amateurs and the actual pros. There’s just a huge difference. It’s more intimate when it’s with someone who isn’t used to it and it’s more exciting, sometimes, also to know that they’re not that well educated in the art of pleasing or in being pleased.

      • Kore says:

        LOL, that last paragraph came across weird. It’s partly something that I’ve heard and also what I feel myself. I prefer watching solo male over other catergories – watching atttractive men (very rare in hetero) with pros is a bit annoying – mostly because they’re doing it with someone who obviously has a fake effface, etc.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore
        The discussion was, whether it is a “boner-killer” to discuss money with men when they are aroused.

        NOT that prostitution and sugar dating are synonymous.

        And if you think that Sugar Daddies are on this site, looking for women to “make love” to them, and intimacy, then you are talking to an ENTIRELY different group of POTs than I am. The dudes I talk to want “the porn star” in the bedroom. (And all the other friendship, common interests, classy lady, etc. outside of the bedroom).

        NOW … I WILL 100% agree, that there are MANY men, the appeal of the young naive SB half is age, is that she is “pure” (ha-ha, as Elaine and I have talked before about the “purity” of the 18 year old who has sex with money more than twice her age) …

        … and they want to “teach them about sex.”

        There was a guy I was interested in dating last year, 50 years old, and found out that he liked “to give cock-sucking lessons to 20 year old girls.” (Eye-roll.)

        That was the end of that “attraction.” If he wanted a woman who doesn’t know how to give a blow job, then he is NOT going to be happy with me. LOL

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Kore
        The Anonymous was me – site knocked me off.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Kore
        The porn star/director/producer “Dave Pounder” is a really good friend of mine (comes across as a complete douche-bag, but is really intelligent and interesting – if anyone doubts that, listen to him in any “interview” on YouTube). He knows everyone in the industry. He made the documentary, “Risky Business” about the porn industry.

        I’ve questioned him and a ton of other people in the industry (and at $15 billion in the US, $20 billion worldwide, it’s a significant industry the legal system and employment/safety regulations ignore) – so while I’m not an “expert” I’ve talked for hundreds of hours with experts.

        PORN is about the “visuals” – and predominantly the visuals that appeal to men. That is why it is very formulaic, and “boring” after you watch a few. And why the genres get more and more extreme. That is what is easiest for them to record and sell.

        There is no concern about technique, whether there is any “chemistry” between the performers, whether the woman is sexually aroused or satisfied (and the majority are not, there’s a lot of drug and alcohol use and “dissociation” in order for them to perform).

        The industry is extremely sophisticated and multi-faceted. The track what sells and what doesn’t. The pornographers produce videos that are the easiest to produce and sell the most.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Kore
        Exactly like how “reality TV” has pretty much taken over television.

        It is very easy and inexpensive to make (no writers, no props, no special effects) and people watch it. So the same “format” is duplicated and the quality of TV just went into the toilet.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ DV and Kore

        Personally I think that “ply with alcohol” advice is great for high volume one night escorts, but disastrous for the long term relationships. When the SD thinks about the deal next day, now sober and not aroused and it dawns on him he agreed to overpay, nexting or leaving after the first grossly overpaid month are the logical solutions.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @AA
        It worked with my current SD, like a charm. And he is free to back-out at any time.

    • Kore says:

      Ok, I’ll do an experiment. :) :) I’ll rewrite my profile nice and long and see what happens. I have to admit, that my location will still play a role, but let’s see if I get more attention without changing my pictures – just from text. Then I’ll report back in a month and let everyone know if I’ve managed to find more appealing interests.

      • ks says:

        I think your experiment will be a lot of work for nothing. We men are visual creatures first and pictures are primary screening, profile interests and background are more about compatibility prospects screening and then the meet and greet is about confirmation through interaction and body language.

      • Kore says:

        I don’t know if you’ve seen my profile, but it’s short because I thought the same way. I’ll find out – it’s not that hard to type a bit more to describe myself. It’s easier than what @Numbers had to do to run his experiment. 😀

      • DamnVixen says:

        @KS
        Really? Rewriting a profile is a lot of work? Five – ten minutes tops? Let’s say it takes a half hour? – a lot of work … SMH

        @Kore
        I agree, they will screen first based on an attractive primary profile picture. But KS confirmed, “interests and background are more about compatibility prospects screening” …

        … demonstrating that a well-written profile isn’t a waste of time.

        If an SD has 10 attractive SB profiles he has picked out, and yours has the common interests and background, guess who gets a message?

        ALSO … having these distinguishing interests and hobbies makes it pretty damn clear that your profile isn’t an escort.

      • Anonymous says:

        Ks are you saying that Kore isn’t getting plenty of attention because men look at her pics first?

      • ks says:

        @Kore,
        Yes, I read it a whole ago when I first visited the blog, but your geographic location is not one I visit regularly. I like sufficient info to know SB needs/wants but also what SB can supply. Most are not shy in telling what they want (free money), but vague in what differentiates them from other pretty girls. Dash (07:50 comment above) expressed it well that easy going laid back relaxation in each others company is a good thing. Even knowing simple stuff like “speaks excellent English” is good to know, because no matter how pretty she is, or how easy going, it gets a bit boring with hand signals, smiling and nodding of heads…charades was never my thing…

      • Dash says:

        I think it’s definitely worth the effort. Split test it. Sure images are incredibly important, but you have the text fields there and they can play a part in conversion. I can say for a fact from personal experience that reading what someone has written has directly lead me to messaging that person.

      • ks says:

        I’m saying that men in general are first and foremost interested in visual appeal. The profile is secondary. We initially think with our dicks. Its only later when we think with our big heads that we think of other factors in a relationship.

      • TVC 15 says:

        More than one guy has told me the same.

      • TVC 15 says:

        ^^ @ Dash’s last sentence

      • ks says:

        @DV, Hey, you are a lawyer. Right? For you 5-10 minutes work that you bill out at 60 minutes… :-) The rest of us have got to think about it… few glasses of wine, nice vista, think how it reads, try again, etc, etc…

  118. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Anonymous

    Yes. Thanks for the correction, by European I meant continental or more specific German system.

  119. Kore says:

    @DV “High school education, single mom, waitress, secretary … just isn’t interesting to men.”

    I’m a bit sorry to hear something like this from you. I think it’s close minded…
    You know what I heard?
    From a European phD working in the US. He said that although the Statian males in his department were alright, that it drove him up the wall to work with the females since they were (put it in his words), “stupid.” That he could barely have a conversation with them and that working with them was incredibly difficult since they didn’t seem to grasp quite a few things he’d had to explain. That the women there were, in general, superficial and these in particular were perhaps there to just fill the womens’ quote.
    I’ve never written this here before since I didn’t want to give Statian women a bad name based on just a few opinions (this being one of a few). And to be fair/PC, I’ve heard it’s also not, “as easy,” to get a phD degree in the US.

    What I’m trying to say is that this kind of generalization is perhaps unjustified. I chose this example in particular since you’re a phD yourself and can maybe now better relate to how it feels when someone places you in a herd when there’s little you can actually do to distinguish yourself once something like this has been said. Judging by your posts and profile, you aren’t what’s been related above, but it’s probably not nice to hear something like this anyway.

    I would be one the people you’ve described as uninteresting so I thought it’d be good to speak out about this. I don’t see myself as incapable of having an intellectual discussion or that my level of education describes my personal interests or intellectual capacity. I find what you said an unfair judgment, especially when education depends so much on money, opportunity, etc.

    I get that … as a person with more, “meaningful,” interests, it’s hard to have as much respect for women who don’t. I don’t like some certain mindsets/personalities either, but I wouldn’t go so far as to putting them all under one roof. Especially when it comes to female competetion, I think it’s underestimating them. 😉

    • Another Anonymous says:

      @ Kore

      As to PhD in US versus Europe – in my opinion in hard sciences they are more difficult in US. On the other hand in soft sciences much much easier in US.

      As to original Elaine’s comment I completely disagree. There is absolutely positively nothing wrong with being a waitress or a hairdresser. Their personality and their interests can make them very pleasant companions. And as to being challenged, why would I pay an allowance to let an abrasive combative middle aged attorney to invade my personal space? I already draw a nice paycheck for dealing with such creatures during business hours.

      • Anon says:

        Depends what you mean by ‘Europe’ – I think the UK is closer to the US in this (as in many other things) than continetal Europe so in the US/UK it is difficult to get a phd in a hard science and yes other subjects are easier but I think that’s to be expected as in hard science there’s (mostly) something to actually prove.

      • Anon says:

        *continental

      • elaine says:

        @Another Anonymous

        I have NEVER said there is ANYTHING wrong with being a waitress, a hairdresser or nailstylist etc. I said it is not all SDs choice.

        Did I say all waitresses etc are dumb? No
        Is there no interesting waitresses etc? Yes, there are.
        Do I say there is a lot of clueless waitresses etc profiles? Yes, few stand out.
        (And when they come here and ask advice because of lack of succes, they get ridiculed.)

        I think that @Vixen post about distinguishing yourself made a lot of sense.
        The outrage that followed was very selective, because the (sound!!) advice she gave was completely neglected.

        Let’s not forget the numerous male derogatory comments about these professions here. (Especially when in relationship to requested allowances.)

      • IHF2030 says:

        My cousin had opportunity to obtain her doctorate in economics from an American Ivy League school but she chose to go to a German university, instead. She says the German program is more rigorous.

      • Anonymous says:

        Right @Elaine.

        I read several times where men on blog were mocking sugar babies bc they asked for decent allowances or the higher categories and they were making fun of them bc they were waitresses or jobs they did not think they made much money in. They said the girls should be paid the same hourly in an allowance that their regular job paid? That did not make any sense but I got the sense they were making fun of girls in those jobs and did not see them worth good allowances. sooo spending time with them and being a SB is the same as what they make waiting tables or any other job for that matter??

      • ks says:

        Joan Rivers said it best to the suggestion that some men value a woman’s brains over her body:

        “Look, no man has ever put his hand up a woman’s skirt looking for a library card.”…

      • Anonymous says:

        @IHF2030 I also know a French guy who came to US for his science phd.

        People also think it is an adventure to go to another country and finish their degree, too. He was very smart guy and could have went almost anywhere in Europe but he said the program was great at this particular US University.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Elaine
        I don’t think it is a coincidence, that you are the ONLY PERSON, who understood the meaning and context of my comment.

        It’s like we are on one planet, understanding what it takes to get a great arrangement, and everyone else is on another – calling us liars and getting offended.

        YOU TRY TO HELP (and this advice helps the guys too) – and people seize on one tiny element, takes it out of context, and get pissed off.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous 6:51
        EXCELLENT POINT!!

        YES – we see SDs on this blog, CONSTANTLY saying that SBs should be GRATEFUL to receive a low allowance, because they “are only a waitress” or whatever.

        It has been repeated by some of these men, numerous times that unless you’re young, skinny, pretty, “compliant” you have no business on this site. And that the prettiest and youngest gets the most money.

        I call BULLSHIT on all of that. Men are different ages. Men are attracted to different kinds of women. Men have different sexual interests and different fetishes.

        SOME fetishes, as we saw from the guy posting this morning, about his interest in pegging and anal play, are MUCH harder for men to find women interested in, and more difficult embarrassing for them to discuss with women. If he encounters a SB who is a Domme skilled in pegging, he’ll be beside himself with joy and pay her well.

        I can think of a dozen other similar interests and fetishes that also are going to create a niche, but the ignorant prudes that populate the blogs will deny that anyone will pay to do that. Yeah. They do. A LOT.

      • Kore says:

        I agree with Anon 6:51 as well – there have been justifications for not paying a high allowance on the blog that had to do with the SB’s profession. Saving money is a more plausible incentive, IMHO.

        I also agree with @ks and I’ve wanted to say something similar before. A man isn’t going to bed with his partner’s degree, but with her body in the end. ^^

        So, I wonder if the young SB who has a phD by 26 is going to come across as equally self-entitled for asking a higher allowance solely due to this distinguishing factor or if she’ll be more successfull.

        Thoughts, SDs? Would you give a higher allowance to a young SB just because she has a great degree?

      • elaine says:

        “Thoughts, SDs? Would you give a higher allowance to a young SB just because she has a great degree”

        No, @Kore ,
        He is not going to give a her higher allowance JUST BECAUSE she has a great degree.
        But if he is after something more as 2 hours per week hotelsex, he is going to pay a higher allowance to keep her around.

        Because for a well educated and travelled CEO or company owner, her having an degree will make it more likely they have more mutual interests in common and they have more topics for interesting chats outside the bed.
        There is only so much time you can discus in Kardashian. 😉

        So when they have more in common as only sex, she is more likely to not be treated as an easy replaceable body.
        And he will more likely pick her out of the competition as body and brains when the rest is offering only the body.
        Because there is “NOT so many where she comes from”. 😉

      • ks says:

        @Elaine
        You are right that speaking Kardashian or Monaco SB speak (I want, I want, I want,…) can get tedious, but I have yet to see an SB profile where her private photos were of her framed diplomas, degrees and awards…unless of course the photos with her LV handbags, Chanel, Gucci and Cartier trinkets count as “trophy’s”…

      • Anon says:

        @IHF Economics is a ‘soft’ science ie not a science at all

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Kore
      You are taking what I wrote too narrowly and, I think, taking the quote out of context… I’m not scrolling down to read what I wrote this second, but when I write things like that they are always in the context of: a woman should MAKE HERSELF a more interesting person, with skills, hobbies, sports, interests that DISTINGUISH her from all the other women on this site.

      What I am talking about is women and profiles that are “one-dimensional.” “I’m a single mom.” That’s it. “I am a waitress.” “I am a college student, give me money.” I very much doubt a Sugar Daddy is going to pay good money to sit and talk to a woman for hours on end about potty-training her son, dinner patrons who don’t tip.

      I’ve seen dozens of college girls’ ads now, in t-shirts in their dorm rooms, really looking like a mess. Their profiles just flat read, “I’m in school. I am studying “X.” And YES, there are probably men twice their age with the “college girl” fantasy, who want to have sex with them. But they’re not likely to find a man on here they are attracted to or connect with. They’re not likely to find much beyond sex. And they certainly aren’t going to make more than the most minimal amount of money.

      My advice always to women on this site, is to look at men’s profiles and see what they are looking for. TALK to them and find out what their interests are. THEN BE the kind of person that they want to be around. (That doesn’t mean being a fake.) That doesn’t men go out and get a doctorate degree. That means, BE INTERESTING TO THEM.

      I also hear it repeated, and even see it in profiles, they don’t want to sit down with a girl and hear vapid discussions about shopping, nails, what they watched on TV that week.

      I do have an attitude of “there’s a pot for every lid” … and most women probably do have unique and special attributes that COULD be of value in the sugar bowl. But the vast number of profiles I read on here asking for advice, don’t demonstrate this.

      They are one-dimensional.

      • Anonymous says:

        @DamnVixen yes once you explained more it makes sense and is good advice. Be interesting and more than one dimensional.

      • Kore says:

        @DV You’re right, I did pick out the one sentence and focused on that – mainly to avoid a longer post and discussing multiple, relevant aspects all at once. (@Another For the same reasons, I also left out that it probably depends on the field, even though I’d thought of it.)

        I fully agree with your advice, that of course, it’s good to make your profile stand out – and you have good reasons. The SDs often complain about it in their own words… Still, what good is it, really, if a SB doesn’t have the ingenuity to do this on her own? It’d be a fail – fail. He doesn’t get what he’d thought and she’d have to pretend – being that what SDs are looking for when (if) she just isn’t. (How hard can be, anyhow, to think to pick a few sentences off SD profiles and rewrite them?)

        If her interests are just going shopping and doing missionary and she isn’t open, doesn’t care about the rest… Then let her complain. We can give them a bit of advice, guiding them, but being their brain for them is something different.

        You also mentioned the cute SB with an interest in art. Yes, I think it could be of some help, but honestly – you and @Elaine have the niche. Of course men will turn to you because you come across as more trustworthy, experienced, open, less flaky etc, if not by age then by numbers.
        So I think it still comes back down to the majority (younger SBs) having to distinguish themselves with pictures first since most men won’t expect to find the same attributes in this group. It would just be an added bonus or finding the unicorn. I’m talking about first impressions and initial expectations… I don’t think they expect to find successful, wise, etc. etc. from our age group – they want someone young, I guess they figure she is going to be doing a lot of typical things for her age group. What they’d probably care about is that she’s cute, playful, etc. and that her looks match – just to have a good time and not very complex. I’m guessing…

        I’ve written on my profile, for example, that discretion is important to me – still the majority of men who contact me are divorced or single, some wanting to sit me on their lap and show other forms of PDA.

      • Kore says:

        To sum it up – I agree, it’s better not to be, “one dimensional,” (well put), but there are just so many profiles, among them also probably very many unique ones that stand out. For us, I seriously suspect that we have to be lucky that that our looks match the SD’s preferences before the text.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Kore
        Glad you understand now what I meant and are not offended.

        I TRULY BELIEVE young SBs CAN do all the things that I have describe, to make themselves multi-dimensional, and stand-out against other SBs, and NOT have to just rely on “who is the prettier girl with the more compliant personality.”

        Plus – IF I took that attitude – “The youngest and prettiest girl wins” – then HOW do I respond to ALL THE GIRLS who come on to this blog, asking for their profile and pictures to be reviewed and for advice?

        (As we have seen … they really don’t want to substantively change their profiles or pictures. They get pissed off when anyone gives advice, other than a bit of editing, and a suggestion of picture choice.)

        How well is, “You aren’t pretty enough” or “young enough” or “you’re too fat” going to go over?

        An it would be stupid to give that as advice, because I truly believe that average-looking, older, and “curvier” women still have a place in the sugar bowl.

        MOST of these girls can’t figure it out on their own. They aren’t accustomed to having to “market” themselves. Just like so many people who go out looking for a job, don’t know how to present themselves to be good to an employer. I was a litigator for a decade, I know how to “market” something to people.

        I had a girl email me directly, saying she had been doing this for six months with no luck, and immediately as she was describing herself, I knew EXACTLY the kind of pictures she should post, and how she should present herself, that would be TOTALLY different from every other woman on this site, and VERY appealing to men. And after she and I chat more and she revises her profile, I’ll be really interested to see if her luck on the site changes.

    • noname says:

      kore pay no attention to this you are not uninteresting what people forget is the sugar bowl is a big place there is something for everyone here if someone has different tastes lifesytle or interests than you doesn’t matter there will be someone who does match what you want a lot of hurtful things are are said on this blog so wonder why people drop out and forget about the sugar world

      • Kore says:

        @noname It’s not so much taking offense – I don’t think that Vixen meant it that way, but I have to put a word out that it is a generalization and it’s not a bad topic for discussion. :)

    • elaine says:

      @Kore, I have send you a pm. :-)

      • Kore says:

        Read it, @Elaine. :) I think it’s too late. 😀

      • Kore says:

        And. I also agree with quite a bit of what you said.. Except there is one thing – I think that only the very self-entitled ones don’t get attention (or they get dumped?). I think quite a few SDs must settle for some of the pretty ones just because they are pretty (and still tolerable).

    • Fundude says:

      Yes that is correct.

      Most women in the hard sciences are there due to affirmative action. He is speaking the truth. They are largely uncompetitive outside of a very small segment.

      • Fundude says:

        There is no better economics department in the WORLD than the University of Chicago, considering they have the most Nobel Prize winners anywhere.

  120. IHF2030 says:

    That DV sure does bring the beta males and white knights out of the woodwork.

  121. DarkHorseSD says:

    Re: ATM’s comment and talk of/by older SBs,

    “I mentioned why I think @Elaine’s claims can make sense based on the effort she puts into an arrangement in another post.”

    I’m now too old to offer anything to an SB older than myself.

  122. Frank95 says:

    Oh dear! There goes my Nobel Prize for Literature.

    *sob*

  123. Anonymous says:

    Interesting observation.
    While both are engaging in boring yapping, I thought flyR’s was a bit more peppy. Frank’s is just vapid and verbose. So I have to disagree with your theory.
    I feel sorry for Frank’s SBs – if he has any. Can you imagine this guy’s
    jokes? The poor thing has to laugh at them. He cannot pay her enough to do that, I think.

    Anonymous says:
    January 23, 2016 at 9:58 pm
    @flyR is posting as @Frank or they are bossom buddies.

  124. Another Anonymous says:

    @Frank95

    Actually I am not FunDude and your ability to recognize bloggers is nearly as bad as your understanding of statistics.

    Have a nice evening.

    • Frank95 says:

      Not FunDude AAnon? How would we know. But if you say so.

      And yes, my evening looks to be shaping up nicely. Thanks a bunch for your concern. I really care. Truly. 😀

  125. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Frank 95

    Actually Frank, I am a bit disappointed. You yourself were criticizing other people for having serioys mathematical sampling issues. And all of the sudden you talk about average age of all US millionaires as very relevant to the age when wealthy people marry and even use it in some calculations. Do you have any proof that the average age of all millionaires and average age of eligible marrying millionaires are the same? Or are you just trying to impress Damn Vixen?

    • Anonymous says:

      this is definitely fundude

    • Frank95 says:

      You do see the logical problem in what you are saying there, don’t you? Hint: read up on sampling and statistics. Google is your friend.

      And yes anon, it’s likely FunDude. Same difficulty with statistics and sampling.

      • Anonymous says:

        You’re not doing too well yourself either Fran

      • Frank95 says:

        Yawwwwwn.

      • Fundude says:

        LOL Another anonymous has been a clear distinct personality from myself on this blog.

        Also, my mathematical abilities far surpass Frankie. He hasn’t even used any statistical models or arguments besides the “average age of millionaires”.

  126. Anonymous says:

    how many girls like and enjoy putting a strapon and fucking and how many guys like or enjoy it ? here is your kink question

    • Anonymous says:

      not my deal taking in the ass

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Not my thing taking it in the ass either

      • Anonymous says:

        jaybird I meant was can you put a tarpon and fuck the man ?

      • Anonymous says:

        strapon **

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Lol I know :-)) and no I can’t do it. It crosses a line for me. The role reversal is a turn off. Sexually I lean towards the submissive more than dominant.

      • DamnVixen says:

        I’m all for all sexual activity between consenting adults that is healthy and feels good. I’ve watched a ton of porn, and few to none of the porn stars I’ve watched know how to use a strap-on properly. There’s nothing “gay” about it. It doesn’t have to be done in the context of role-reversal/the man being submissive. Although that role-reversal is something that most men like about it. It isn’t “dirty” if people practice proper hygiene.

    • Anonymous says:

      I love anal stimulation and have had girls finger my ass and rim me of course but haven’t been able to ask a girl to fuck me in the ass yet though but I play around with that a lot in fantasy

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Just ask for what you want… that’s the only way you’ll get it.

      • Anonymous says:

        All experiences in regular relationships. Never wanted to upset them by telling them I wanted to be pegged. Might try it in a sugar relationship. idk

      • Kore says:

        … Aren’t the signs of people who are more liberal in bed obvious?..

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Anonymous
        Most people (women) are ignorant about sex outside of the strictly “vanilla” realm. Some think men liking anal play are secretly gay. I hear people refer to using Alt or FetLife to find partners who are in to that kind of thing. I’ve never used the sites or talked to men about whether they have any success meeting on them.

        If you don’t want to say it directly on your profile, I’d suggest using “cues” like that you’re looking for a dominant woman, with experience in Kinky, non-vanilla sex. And a picture of your BUTT (naked or not) in your pictures or private album.

        A woman who is experienced in pegging and anal play is going to know EXACTLY what all of that means.

    • Anonymous says:

      If a SD says that to me he will be nexted with the speed of the light

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Then you’re not the right SB for him, which is perfectly fine. I wouldn’t be either. He’s probably going to have to go to an alternative website or be willing to pay extra for the pleasure. Some people are mercenary enough that the extra money will be enough for them to get pass their discomfort.

      • elaine says:

        Or for some people it is not a discomfort.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Elaine true that’s why I recommended an alternative website. Easier to find exactly what you’re looking for without repeatedly exposing your kink to people who have no interest. Especially because of the lack of respect for privacy amongst this social media generation. The last thing I think he wants is to end up on tumblr or IG with his information/picture posted along with his kink.

      • elaine says:

        Ha, sure!

        But since there is quite some Domme’s here, he could select and approach them.
        I agree it’s useless to start approaching SBs who are not into the BDSM lifestyle.

        They will be shocked and not understand, and in worst case they will ridicule him.

      • Kore says:

        I think these men are more discrete and have an eye for dominant, non-mainstream women. This anon is probably a good example of how they don’t take the risk of spamming the social media generation with such requests.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Elaine
        I’m with you, it stinks that men do get ridiculed when they try to approach women on this site about their fantasies/desires. (The bottom line about this site IS sex, after all.)

        Experienced and sophisticated men have plenty of cues in their profiles that their interests are in the alternative realm, without having to say it directly.

        This is one of those areas where some “OLDER” SBs have a “niche” if they’ve had the experience and time to grow sexually and become more open-minded. This was exactly why that “Texan” SD said that he preferred older SBs.

        (And as you and I know, those men have a harder time finding women who enjoy those things AND have experience in them, and they reward us accordingly.)

        Jaybird, younger SBs – please don’t be offended. But if you ever end up having to look for a new SD, and they’re in that age range of 40s to 50s … it’s good to study up on these kinks, because as men hit mid-life (especially if they’ve been in a long marriage), they are looking for new sexual experiences and experimentation. It makes them happy. They see it in porn or read about it, it’s taboo, and they want to try it.

        (Of course, some are really uptight and “my ass is exit-only” … )

        But I personally think, some of alternative stuff is the most FUN of choices on the sexual menu. This is the stuff where you really bond and laugh and talk after about, “Can you BELIEVE the crazy sh*t we did that night???”

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @vixen I have no problem with alternative and kink. But not every kink is for everyone. I have no desire fuck someone with a strap on just like I have no desire to have someone take a dump on me or vice versa. My SD is 50 and he is very happy and so am I because our kinks match each others.

        No one wants an unenthusiastic sexual partner and advising someone to do a kink they’re just not into benefits neither person. No matter if they’re a young SB or an older one. Sexual compatibility makes sex awesome without that even if someone goes through the motions and do what you like it’s a sub par experience.

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Jaybird
        People have to be true to themselves. If you don’t want to do it, don’t do it.

        But society teaches women to be ashamed of sex, labels a number of perfectly “normal” activities as “taboo” – and many women (and men) don’t try these new things because they are afraid of what people might think, or they have been brainwashed to think that they are “deviant.”

        My point is – if an SB has hard sexual limits, and she’s looking for a new SD, she’s going run off some POTs. @Dash above described something like that happening to him just a few minutes ago above.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        That’s a very weak argument. You always run the risk of losing POTs no materr what. That’s like telling women if they don’t want to accept $100 for an overnight at the local motel 6 they are going to run off POTs. I’m sure there are plenty of men looking for that too.

        You’d be better off advising people to be open minded and honest about what they are into so they can find a partner they are compatible with instead of the this scare tactic and brainwashed masses stuff.

  127. Another Anonymous says:

    @ A Nonnymouse

    Having a bitter SJW with a BS degree in gender studies as a SB and ask her to challenge you intellectually is a masochistic kink. :-)

    • Anonymous says:

      “Some men” are into all kinds of shit.

    • Anonymous says:

      That sounds exciting. Nothing like playing a massive mindfuck getting her to fall for you then fucking the shit out of her and getting her to do all types of shit she claims she’d never do then dumping her suddenly hahahaha

      • SweetandSassy254 says:

        Wow, you have issues… Just saying ?

      • Anonymous says:

        Not really. I think most people think this way. it’s just I’m one of the few who admit it. at least I’m not physically hurting people anymore usually

      • Anonymous says:

        No. Your fantasy is a rather strange and offensive. I understand you don’t like SJW type, me either, but what’s the point of the “mindfuck” and “then dumping her suddenly”? I hope you are all lawyer’ed up before trying such sh*t. We have enough pitiable young ladies emotionally screwed up by their parents and childhood already to deal with without your pillaging antics adding to their numbers.

      • Anonymous says:

        I really love strong women. feminist types especially women who hate men. that’s why I’ve always chosen them. if you need to pretend it’s just someone’s fantasy though go ahead if it makes you feel ok in the world. do what you have to do. it’s cruel of you though to call it strange and offensive though. very cruel and inconsiderate

      • Anonymous says:

        Definitely one of the strangest personalities we’ve had in this blog.

  128. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Elaine

    Personally I would prefer a high school educated waitress with pleasant personality over a bitter SJW with B.S. degree any day of the week. I also doubt the latter group is in average scoring higher in IQ, EQ or any intellectual achievement.

    I also doubt that SDs usually want to be challenged by their SBs. There is usually enough conflict in SD’s life anyway. Challenging and sarcastic are red flags comparable to strong and independent.

    • Anonymous says:

      Or a law student or any student or a hot young secretary.

      • Anonymous says:

        What’s wrong with a hot young secretary? Just curious. Why “any student” is a problem? Most young women are or aspire to be a student, one way or another.

      • TVC 15 says:

        Because weak men need women who will make them feel unquestionably superior in every way, 24/7. Looking for women who appear to have no intellectual accomplishments is one way to try to achieve that.

    • Anonymous says:

      Worse is a woman who owes college loan to patriarchy.

    • A Nonnymouse says:

      But this page is about kinks and kinda “out there” stuff.

      Waitresses and secretaries are sorta vanilla-ish.

      Not the first choice for a gal trying to introduce the idea of being open to kinks.

      ‘S the topic yanno.

    • Anonymous says:

      Bitchy and religious women are the hottest in bed. you should open your mind some. there’s a lot to explore there

    • Anonymous says:

      Really? It’s news to me.

    • elaine says:

      @Another A

      Intellectual challenging has nothing to do with conflicts.
      Playful challenging has nothing to do with sarcasm.

      And I think anyone with a pleasant personality is to be preferred above any bitter person. :-)

  129. Fundude says:

    Frankie,

    The beginning of hostiles from the older SBs on this blog came when I suggested they look at men in their 60s and 70s for allowances as their appropriate suitors.

    Women like Elaine (and Damn Vixen) were ADAMANT that they could obtain top allowances from men younger and/or slightly older than themselves.

    Elaine has bragged that she is getting a big allowance from a “good looking SD that is younger” than herself.

    Vixen speak about her SD being 55 y/o,fit, etc. She brags she can bang younger men that are hot (with good bodies) and only speaks about men at most 10 years older than herself for a SD that are “fit”

    Ergo, your ass would NOT be on their radar despite your constant White Knighting for women who shit on you. You are too old and out of shape for their tastes.

    Since they are apparently in high demand, your dumbass will have to stick wi