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Sweet and Finally Legal

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You have some big goals with your eyes set on graduating from a University, or finally kicking off your startup, or simply have an itch to travel the world.  But there is one thing that is standing between you and your ambitious goals — funding.  

We know you’ve done your research, or you wouldn’t be here.  Loans can cast a long shadow that you’ll forever be trying to escape, scholarships can only go so far and don’t leave time for a social life, and working three jobs to barely get by has zero appeal. So now you find yourself searching for a Sugar Daddy.

So young goal getter, here is what you need to keep in mind upon entering into the world of Sugar Dating.

Once you’ve created a profile, and know what you’re looking for in an arrangement, start reaching out to POT Daddies that fit the bill. Starting the conversation can be daunting, but also very rewarding in letting a Daddy know he’s just what you’re looking for and you’re confident enough to put yourself out there! Mind your grammar, don’t act entitled and be able to explain what interests you about Sugar Dating, and what you hope to accomplish.

Be mindful of your age, some POTs won’t be interested in someone that can’t meet them for a drink at the bar. Stay away from age talk and instead demonstrate to him the mature woman you are. I’m sure he can attest to age simply being a number. If he suggests a location that is 21 and over, don’t make a fuss, simply suggest somewhere else that can accommodate your needs.

Always keep safety your number one priority, not just with dating, but in every aspect of your life. Listen to safety tips and don’t put yourself at risk by thinking, “it could never happen to me”. Be sure to carry pepper spray and always let someone know where you will be at. Make a safety word you can discretely message or work into a conversation with friends that won’t grab attention. Hopefully you will never need to use either, but it’s always better to be safe than sorry.  

Finally, don’t make Sugar your end-all, be-all. Be sure to keep your goals in mind and don’t let your studies slip. Sugar has an expiration date and should be used to help you reach your goals and elevate your quality of life with the perks of meeting some outstanding gentlemen along the way. It is not suggested that you take it as a career path, but a stepping stone in life.

Whether you are newly legal, or simply new to Sugar Dating, Let’s Talk Sugar has plenty of advice and insight for all your Sugar questions.

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3,711 Responses to “Sweet and Finally Legal”

  1. Anonymous says:

    so I’ve been using this website for about two months and i still have not found the right sugar daddy , i am 19 and is looking for one still that can help me with my needs and i can help him with his but i am having trouble finding one i am assuming maybe some of the guys are not that interested into ” colored girls ” lol ..

  2. Artémis Stdnt says:

    Hello here,

    I am also a newbie in this world.
    Hey!
    I would like to have some advice on my profil, about the length and the content. I am wondering if it is not too much. Also, as English is not my first language, I am afraid this can be an obstacle for some SD, what do you think about it ?
    And finally, I know that I am not a “Bimbo” at all (and I don’t want to be so), how much SD are looking at the physical ? At the beginning I didn’t want to join because I though I wasn’t the kind of girl they are looking for. Can I have your opinion on that ? Thanks :)

    • elaine says:

      There is nothing wrong with your profile if you ask me, and you are pretty, young, smart and open to a sexual relationship, so nothing should stop you from doing well in sugar.

      Maybe change the “I do, I want…” in the first paragraph into “You”, try to make it more clear what you will bring to the table for him.
      Change “average” to “slim”, you don’t look average on your picture.

      I am sure you will find a nice SD, just keep in mind that you will have to reach out to them to stand the best chance!

      Succes!

      • Artémis Stdnt says:

        Hello Elaine,
        Thanks for your comment it is very encouraging. I feel really boost thanks to your kind words. I get what you mean and I will change it :)
        Thanks!
        And big success for you too :)

    • ATLSD says:

      Artemis. You have a good profile and are beautiful. The only concern is that you are leaving Sinapore in April according to your profile. SD may be reluctant to contact you if it’s going to be only a few months. Where are you moving to next? That may be something you can add to your profile.

  3. Ophelia123 says:

    Hi, I’m very new to the site/ process and pretty much have no clue what I’m doing! I was just wondering, if I was going to ask for an allowance what should be the minimum/ maximum that I should ask for? I don’t want to put people off, but at the same time I’m struggling financially so could really use the cash for studies!xx

    • ATLSD says:

      Ophelia that’s an ambiguous question. You will get 100 different answers on here. There is set or standard min/max. If start you start at High or Substantial you will be hard press to find a SD. If you start lower and prove yourself to your SD you be more successful and most SD will up the ante over time.

      • ATLSD says:

        Should say: “There is no set min/max”

      • Ophelia123 says:

        Okay so I should be seeking those who’ve put practical or minimum? Thanks for the advice, will bear it in mind!x

      • ATLSD says:

        That’s not what meant. You can seek out a SD that’s has whatever practical to high. It’s what you list if ask for. If you changed you had high/ substantial listed as your expectation you would have a hard time finding a SD since there are so few that can afford that amount at sustainable levels. If you have practical in your profile you will mostly have an easier time finding a SD. There will be a larger amount of POT SD in that range.

        You really need to delete that picture with friend in it. That does nothing to help you.

        Also, if you want to try finding a sugar daddy IRL. Herrods is a great place to hang out freestyle

      • ATLSD says:

        Geez that came out bad. Hopefully u will understand it.

      • Ophelia123 says:

        No it’s fine- I completely understand!x

    • noname says:

      ophelia welcome to the site just ask for the amount that best suits your needs but bear in mind the more you ask the smaller the pool of sugar daddies that can afford it or will be interested in paying that amount practical is a good place to ask if that suits you good luck in your search

  4. Anonymous says:

    Is it literally impossible for a male sugar baby to find a sugar daddy? I’ve been on this site for over a year and not one guy responded to any of my messages or even tried talking to me :/ it’s messed up!
    I don’t even demanding anything either. I don’t want a guy to get me expensive gifts at all or take me out on expensive dates either. I just want a guy to share his home and life with me. Is that too much to ask?

    • walkingdeadfan says:

      P.S. I was actually the one who typed this comment. I forgot to log in before I did though.

      • Anonymous says:

        Truthfully, if you’re looking for an actual relationship although rarely found; relationships are not generally found here. if you’re looking for a “mutual agreement” however, this is the place.. most people on here just want a distraction from their everyday life. good luck and i hope i’ve helped a bit.

  5. viankasweet says:

    Hi guys !! I am latina and I am new to the SA site, i am learning the do’s and don’ts of the sugar world. Any tips on my profile are welcome. Message me!

  6. Gia Star says:

    Couldn’t wait to turn 18 just so I could be with older guys, but now that im 18 they turn me down because you cant “do much” with a 18 year old, like seriously the only thing I cant to do is go to into bars. Kinda a win/lose situation Grr.

    • Cryptic Anomaly says:

      As an Aussie it is weird for me as the legal drinking age here is 18 (and even then someone younger can legally drink in a restaurant if they are with their parent and are having a meal).

      So it’s odd that at 18 in the USA a woman can legally perform in porn, dance naked on a table and even get a SD but having a drink? Too far!!!

      I personally wouldn’t care if I couldn’t go to a bar with my SB anyway. Better things to do with her than sit in a bar.

  7. VirtuousOne says:

    i think most importantly is to teach new users how to make a SA account, sugar babies claim they are sugar moms and daddies, its confusing to get through them.

  8. Cadence Lulie says:

    Hi Daddies! I am new to the SA site as well, and I am trying to dip my toes in and learn the do’s and don’t’s of the sugar world. Any tips on my profile are welcome. Message me! 😉

    • Matt99 says:

      You’re profile looks good – maybe slightly too “standard”. I’d another line or two about something fun or offbeat.

      My advice is be careful and resolute. It can take a lot of effort to find the right match. There are many flakes and phonies here (or worse) amongst the genuinely good guys that treat women with respect. Good luck!

    • noname says:

      Cadence your profile is fine welcome to the site

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re a pretty girl, but the pic with glasses is not very flattering.

  9. DesirableJazzy says:

    Hello I am fairly new to the SA website and have some but little information to further progress myself as someone who is an SB. If someone would take the time to view my profile and give feedback, suggestions, and advice that would be great. I would really appreciate it.

    Also if someone knows other sites to access little bits of information to help further a young or starting SB that would be great as well.

    Thank you,
    Jazz

    • ATLSD says:

      Jazzy you and others may want to check out the sister site Lets talk sugar, the forums work better for interaction and advice. The blog gets a little burdensome.

      • Bridgett says:

        Thank you for the good luck message! And I do usually remain discreet. I figured it was okay since it was an anonymous message & that’s not my real name 😉

      • ATLSD says:

        Your welcome Bridgett. I was speaking of staying discreet in your Sugar life. You don’t want that info to creep into your future career.

    • Cryptic Anomaly says:

      I guess it comes down to personal preference but for me pics with the woman sticking her tongue out are just crass.

      • ATLSD says:

        CA she is showing off her tounge piercing. Which can be translated into she LOVES to give hummers.
        With that being said Darwin will work itself out with this one.

  10. Bestcompanion says:

    Hi, I am a male SB seeking SM/SD and I just created my account, would appreciate any feedback. And any advice on how to message a SD/SM for the first time to get a response back.
    Thank you

  11. Sugar Baby says:

    Hi I just created my account and was wondering is someone could go over my profile for me. Any pointers would be great!

    • noname says:

      your new so give it some time your profile looks ok but your asking for a lot so this will turn off a lot of sd but if thats what you want no harm in trying i would suggest dropping it to moderate but its only a suggestion you can take it or leave it

    • Anonymous says:

      Drop the substantial. it makes you look insane. try moderate if you keep yourself made up like in the second pic and practical if you keep yourself plain like in the first

      • Anonymous says:

        Lol what an idiot. How does a substantial make someone insane? She’s a young 18 year old White girl, hot, single, a student and dating men 40 years her senior should get her at least high or substantial.

      • elaine says:

        Sure!

        This place is full of old multi millionaires who cannot wait to throw 120k (after tax) per year to 18 yo hot white, single girls!

        How do you think they became millionaires in the first place?
        By paying CEO salaries to teenagers?

    • Generous&Kind says:

      Just be yourself and be as honest as possible. Different men will be looking for things.

      Your goal should not be to get as many “favorites” “messages” or even dates as possible, unless you are just here for the self esteem boost.

      If you are honest about who you are and what you want, you are much more likely to find a man you will make you happy.

    • Bridgett says:

      Hi! So happy to see another aspiring airline pilot on here! I’m a senior at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University right now and am finishing up my commercial pilot license. Please ask me any questions you have :)

      Where are you thinking about going to flight school? Definitely save as much money as you can from sugaring- flight training is expensive.

  12. Gia Star says:

    Very Helpful!(:

  13. Letsgojasmine says:

    A lot of great advice

  14. Your opinion please says:

    Going to start looking for a new SB..I live in the sf bay area Monthly allowance of 2.5k; expectation of weekly meets with a monthly overnight. Too high? Too low ?

    • Anonymous says:

      Look out… all the SBs on here will tell you it’s too low. it’s not though. you’re ok. if anything I’d tell you to lower it to 2K

      • James says:

        Usually, white women will tell you that 2.5k is too low because they know men in here have a tendency to search mostly for white women. In fact, I’ve once come across a survey conducted by this website stating that 60 % of the surveyed men would have as a SB a blonde woman with green eyes, then asian women came in the second place.I mean that’s demand and supply ! White women get more attention and proposals than women from other races, therefore more choice and are often likely to get more proposals higher than 2.5k so yes for a white blond haired green eyed woman 2.5k will always be too low. My advice would be that if you want to spend only 2.5k on a woman, I would suggest you to try to find beauties from other races (mixed, middle eastern, …). I’m sure they don’t get as much offers and attention than white women so if they are clever enough, they will accept your 2.5k, which is very generous to begin with !

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Your opinion please
      No point in discussing what is too high or too low as a general rule. Contact as many SBs as you might be interested in. Go on some first dates. Discuss what you want. See the quality of girl that you get for what you offer.

      After 10 dates (or lengthy text conversations) you should have an idea of what different amounts of $$$ will get you.

    • Frank95 says:

      YOP, That’s an odd question.

      Suppose you meet someone who you really want. Really want. Are you seriously saying you wouldn’t go a bit higher. Or, if she and you really hit it off, that she might bot shave something off your lower bound?

      Like DV says, look for the ideal first, then discuss $$$, not the other way.

  15. AnnapToObx says:

    My room mate has a sugar daddy, multiple and she really enjoys having them. Just someone there makes her feel some kind of complete. She is 21 I turn 21 in less than 2 months and I work more than most woman 10-20 years older than I. I just kind of get the vibe that most Sugardaddies don’t want a girl as young as I am. And it’s really hard to find someone who’d want a sugar baby as young as I, especially since I am fairy new to this. I’ve done my research and have been looking into this for over a year now until i finally decided to make a profile.
    Could someone possibly give me a few pointers or advice to follow while i dive on into this? How do i go about getting started and get myself out there.. etc.
    Only asking for helpful and nice comments only! Thanks guys!

    • Sugar D says:

      @Anna

      You are in the perfect age range, live on your own and are open to the Sugar life because of your roommate’s experience . She can also help you since she has been successful. I am not in your market unfortunately .

      One suggestion-eliminate the “legal”disclaimer at the end . It is aggressive and unnecessary. Also eliminate the roommate comment . We don’t care that your roommate needs help.

    • DamnVixen says:

      @Anna
      lol … to read everything that the men write on this blog, they all want 21 years old.

      Do your research, the blog articles really don’t have good advice.

      What I did when I was new, was I specifically said that I was “new” and “uncertain” and then I asked very specific questions of every single man that contacted me. I accepted any genuine “meet” invitation if the man seemed reasonably safe, and then talked to them in person about their experience and past arrangements. Time, money, how the arrangement worked, what they liked about it, what they didn’t like, why they ended. Bad stories. Stories other sugar babies told them.

      After ten or so dates (and emailing/texting with 40-50 men) you should have an idea in mind of how much money the men are paying the women, what they want for it, and what they think you are worth. THEN you can decide if you want to do this or not.

      Just flat out ignore all of the blogs and articles … and be vary wary of member advice in the comments that either try to beat you down or try to portray a lifestyle in which you get money for nothing.

  16. Anonymous says:

    as a gay 20 year old male, the odds are not in my favor :/

  17. Anonymous says:

    When meeting someone young make sure they are not living with family. Daddy might find out and not like it. Recently was seeing a 19 year old living at home and parents saw her text messages. Now having to deal with angry dad. Requiring a permission slip from the parents might be a good idea!

  18. Lucy says:

    Between, fake profiles, people only looking for sex, and people with no intention helping financially….I’m a bit bored with this site. So disappointing. I was looking forward to being someone’s company.

  19. Isla80 says:

    I’m new here and just trying it out because someone recommended it. But so far this place seems just like any other dating site. I’m sure there’s lots of fakes on both ends. I’m way past being “finally legal” but that’s been my experience in my short time here.

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s turned into that now, Isla. It’s dating slash prostitution site now. It used to be great.

    • Anonymous says:

      Non-White women don’t generally do well on this site.

      If you think that you can change that, then go ahead and try. Don’t be expecting no affirmative action in sugar.

      • AnonymousAgain says:

        This black woman should be subsidized!! Every sugardaddy should have to take at least 1 black sugarbaby for every 3 white ones!! Enough of this inequality!!

      • Isla80 says:

        I don’t need affirmative action in anything i do sweetie. You’re not even cute enough to post a pic. If anyone needs affirmative action it’s you. You couldn’t even compare to me on my WORST day. I could shave my head and grow and grew a beard and still get more play than you.

      • Anonymous says:

        Great idea. You would do great with a beard and shaved head.

      • lilbit089 says:

        That’s not true. I am a black women and my SD is white, I met him from this site which I am currently seeing right now. There are plenty of men who date black women on here, you just have to find the right one.

      • Isla80 says:

        Are you always this cheesy or did someone spray cheese whiz on you to help? It’s hard to believe that someone could actually be as lame and cheesy as you without help. You bust practice your lameness a lot.

        But yeah, I would look AMAZING bald with a beard in comparison to you :)

    • DamnVixen says:

      HEY ISLA!!!
      Glad to see your profile. I will check it out and get back to you where we usually communicate!

  20. LitaKota8989 says:

    Aside from that, be confident! Be gracious, be classy, be honest, be you and finding a Daddy will be easy. and educate yourself!

    • WHPH says:

      Thank you for taking the time to offer some advice to your peers. This is a fast paced environment, and it’s very easy to see why late teens or even girls in their early 20’s could use some friendly pointers.

  21. LitaKota8989 says:

    Ladies, especially the younger/newer sugar babies, please only come here if you are SERIOUS. All though there are lots of scammers on the mens end as well I see so many girls on here that are just here for ALL the wrong reasons. It ruins opportunities and relationships for those of us that are serious.

  22. n0name says:

    I imagine “married with three kids” story is a part of a con …. or he is a house hubby of sorts ….

  23. n0name says:

    Btw, a picture tells more than a thousand words eca673a01
    High school only …. and looking like an ex con ….
    plus married with three kids
    =trying it on, does not have it, but figured out excuses

  24. Chloe_4_U says:

    There are great advice, tips and suggestions that are provided. Ladies, you must be smart, safe and know your worth. Just don’t settle for anything or something you’re not comfortable with . Money is not always everything. Everyone thanks for the enlightening comments!

  25. Frank95 says:

    If you are a newly legal sugar baby, then there are a few pitfalls…read the forum here, lol!

    Filtering out the guys who are scammers, time wasters, one time users, and can’t-afford-you’s can be a massive task.

    Further, while your inbox may fill with “offers” from large numbers of guys, the actual number of guys who are millionaires is small. Very small. The number of young guys with millions is so small as to be vanishing, and the line to meet them is ten city blocks long.

    So, here’s 3 tips to detect and remove the time wasters, scammers and users.

    Insist on exchange of positive ID.

    If the guy is genuine and he sees you over a long time, then even if both of you tried hiding your identities, something would slip. Someone looking for a long term arrangement has to accept that. Next, if someone is trying to scam you, knowing his address is not something he wants.

    Next tip.

    Ask him to show that he has sufficient funds to back up any promises he makes. If his profile says he has $2mill, then he should be able to get on the mobile and show something north of $100k. Thirty seconds to show a bottom line amount on line via internet banking. If he’s been bragging about his wealth, and if he actually has it, 30 seconds on line to back it up shouldn’t be hard. Most guys who brag about something, be that their car, their fishing rids, their boats, or their stamp collections will be painful in their efforts to drag you off to see those. So to will be they guy who brags about his money, and actually has some. So, if a guy brags about his money, but won’t take 30 seconds on line to prove it…warning bells there ladies. Clang clang, hoot hoot, liar alert. This will eliminate splenda daddies.

    Third tip.

    Always, always insist on an STI test before doing anything.

    In a long term relationship, there’s always going to be spillages, accidents, breakages. If it’s going to be long term, sooner or later you’ll be grateful for the initial STI test. In addition, there are lots of guys here who make attractive offers to new SBs, do the deed once, and move onto the next new SB. Pumped and dumped. Insisting on STI testing not only reduces the risk, but also makes it expensive for the serial pump and dumpers, thus discouraging them.

    Using these three will seriously warn off those who are wasting your time.

    I daresay that there will be comments saying that insistence on these will eliminate almost all of the prospective guys on the site. Guess what? The numbers of real millionaires, who do want long term arrangements is small, very, very small. So, yes, you actually DO want to eliminate the majority. That’s the whole point. You want to sweep away everyone but those who are honest, can pay, and want something long term. If that leaves only one or two guys in your area, so be it. You can only apply yourself to those one or two guys, if you have eliminated the noise from the others.

    • Citizen says:

      To people on both sides of the Sugar Bowl:

      Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT exchange IDs with someone you just met and/or someone you haven’t known for quite some time. This is not safe-practice and jeopardizes your physical safety and the physical safety of your loved ones!!!

      • Frank95 says:

        That is a fair comment actually. But it applies even more to going to a hotel room alone with them too.

        So, yes, be careful about exchange of ID, but be even more careful of being alone and vulnerable with someone who you don’t know. If you feel unsure about exchange of ID, then don’t even contemplate exchanging bodily fluids.

        Point is, if the relationship is long term, then sooner or later it can’t stay secret. Only those with short term aims have a reasonable chance of remaining anonymous.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Frank

      You know that this page is fucking 3600+ messages long, yes?

      • Frank95 says:

        Er, yes….and so…?

      • Anonymous says:

        Don’t slow it down further with your idiotic posts that go on forever. This is not your typewriter where you could bang on pages after pages without any effect to the speed of the page. Go to new blog page and post your musings there. Understood grandpa?

      • Rat says:

        LMAO and Frank is still doing this shit because he’s senile and doesn’t get that this blog is OVERRRRR

      • Anonymous says:

        @Frank, you are 73…ain’tcha?

      • Anonymous says:

        Anon at 7:17 is loser Josh so just ignore him Frank. Can’t be brave enough to put his name under his writing either. Fortunately we can detect him either way.

  26. Anonymous says:

    And by the way, there are some fine ass men who are 10+ an 20+ and biwve it or not, 30+ year my senior. I am no spring chicken, but then take care of the
    Selves because they care and financially have the ability to do so and because they care. Plus, they do not make men like them anymore. Oh, a woman may make them, but apparently based on the blog comments, the women are not raising them the same anymore. Plus, when it comes to sexual sarisfaction, oh my God, you cannot train men to do this, u less you are highly sexual and he is highly frequenting you to train them. (Tee, hee).

    Which is why it really doesn’t surprise me on why women go for older men to whom with. I leave lacking with a man my age, 1/2 and 1/2 on give more or pass if he is older or within 5 years older, but I have never complained with a man older than me. Even if God didn’t bless him down under, God certainly blessed him above and where the sun rises o leave me with a smile on my face.

    I don’t know you, wrinkles on a jetan (on te blog) and based on your comments, you don’t fall in unicorn Zone of my comments. But, we can make you work during the weekend for overtime to see what you have got. Lmao. You and politicians hate to work on the weekends and that would be work to you I am sure. Hahahaa. It is to men that don’t know how to make a woman smile without degrading the 500 meet, no it’s 250, no better yet it’s 100. Oh, go throw your money to a stripped who makes you hard and jack odd in the car. The ladies who are viable here knowers is no vie that is monitored on such a tight string or rope to choke themselves on and that goes for men and women. Keep running your Raquet until your found.

    • Anonymous says:

      “Which is why it really doesn’t surprise me on why women go for older men to _whore_ with.” ??

      Over the years, I have learned the quality of relationship with women (happiness and contentment on both sides) is not at all correlated to the amount of money or time spent on her, but well correlated to how much the man can exceed her expectations.

      For a given SD budget, he is far more likely to have a happy arrangement for both parties when the SB’s expectations are much lower than the SD’s capacity to deliver, and he frequently delivers extra surprises out of his genuine generosity (not the pro-talk “generosity” contract amount). The real trick is in how to deliver frequent pleasant surprises without raising her expectations.

      Women’s expectations are like the water level/line of a lake: if he can not peddle and keep his head above the line, he drowns, in her bitter tears of disappointment 😉

      Finding a girl with lower “expectations” and then far exceed her expectations will give the man a much happier experience in the sugar bowl and longer relationship than promising a literally higher maintenance girl to the limit of his ability.

    • Josh says:

      “Over the years, I have learned the quality of relationship with women (happiness and contentment on both sides) is not at all correlated to the amount of money or time spent on her, but well correlated to how much the man can exceed her expectations.”

      Brilliant observation.

      Therefore, find a Minimum girl of your liking and carefully “spoil” her as much as you want “without raising her expectations”.

      • SSSD says:

        Making a promise one notch below delivery capacity is probably a good idea in sugaring.

        This expectation management rule applies not only to sugar bowl, but also to even wife and children. I had to make use of a divorce to reset the expectations of my ex-wife, turning a cranky wife into a content team-player ex-wife, for the benefit of my children and the ex-wife herself in the long run. Wish I learned this rule before marrying.

  27. TVC15 says:

    He already offered to pay for the trip, that’s no problem. I just need him to understand that me accepting the trip doesn’t mean I agree to sleep with him. I want to manage his expectations, but diplomatically. It’s that last bit I’m asking for help with. :)

    • noname says:

      are you saying you will never sleep with him or just not now

    • noname says:

      if its a first meet it won’t be easy but tell him your not expecting intimacy on the first meet you just want to discuss the arrangement an what expectation the two of you have and see what happens from there its important to get that first meet so you can use your charm to keep it going im sorry i have to stop posting making too many mistakes long day good luck to you

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I don’t think it has to be discussed beforehand. You’re staying at his house or overnight at a hotel he’s paying for. And you’re not dependent on him for air fare to go home. Just go to the meet and see how it goes if the topic of intimacy comes up address it then.

      • SSSD says:

        I think Jay meant “not,” as in “You are not staying at his house or overnight at a hotel he’s paying for.”

        It gets a lot trickier if you stay at his house or at a hotel he’s paying for ahead of time. Granted, being a first-date helps you a lot in getting the no-sex message across clearly, instead of being suspected of “playing coy and respectable.” However, if I were in your shoes, and had to stay overnight in his city, I’d book my own hotel or motel. It doesn’t have to be a nice hotel running into several hundred dollars per night like he would be obliged to offer you.

        If you absolutely can not afford to book your own hotel, tell him to hold off on hotel booking until after meeting for early dinner; and joke about if things don’t go over well, he can dump you off in the cheapest hotel in the city. Internet services like Hotwire enable last-minute booking nowadays for business travelers. A very cheap hotel room is a major turn-off for men and women alike, so the no-sex message can come across quite clearly.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @SSSD Thanks for the correction I did mean not

  28. TVC15 says:

    What is the polite way to tell a potential that you are willing to travel to a nearby city on his dime to meet, but this doesn’t necessarily mean he will get lucky?

    • noname says:

      would that be a first time meetting tvc15

    • TVC15 says:

      Yes noname. No security concerns as I could easily get back home myself if needed. :)

      • noname says:

        i would just say you find him interesting and would like to know him better that you have no expections of money or sex but would like to explore this more to see if this can delevop into something more but you would need some assistance for the cost to reach there ive done this in the past when i was searching for a sugar baby but ive never had anyone follow through on this so im not sure how usefull this is to you good luck to you

      • SSSD says:

        You can tell him, since his hourly time probably costs more than yours, you are willing to put in the time of travel if he is willing to pick up the expense of travel, for a platonic M&G; you are not expecting any gift nor should he expect any thing more than a platonic M&G

    • noname says:

      for myself i would offer a bit more than just the cost of getting there and back of course your paying for expenses when your together but the minimum amount should be transportation costs if hes looking for just sex he will ignore you then know what your dealing with

    • guest says:

      I would pass. It sounds off for a first meet.

  29. n0name says:

    Wow. This page must have a “like” and “vote down” button by each post 😀 😀

    • James says:

      I totally agree with you ! You know you can submit this idea to Brandon Wade, I think he has a website or a blog (not sure) called AskBrandon.com :)

  30. Dash says:

    How common is it to really be into your SB/SD.

    Meaning sincerely attracted to, admire and respect them, enjoy the time with them on multiple levels, potentially lead to something more.

    First time around I met a bunch of people, the girl I hit it off with was a home run. While we stopped seeing each other we remain friends and have lots of great memories. Figured it was just lucky since the others did not do it for me for one reason or another and I was going to give up the idea.

    Second time around I met someone nice. Got along well. She got very serious quickly and was talking marriage. We parted as friends.

    This time I met someone that has the potential to be another home run. So far the chemistry is extremely good. Too soon to tell but made me wonder what others have experienced.

    • SDaddy says:

      @Dash your experiences sound more like IRL dating ones . If your pic is really you ,you seem young for an SD .True connection would be more possible with a 30 something -or even early 40s .

    • Bob says:

      Short answer is I am really into my SB and it sure seems she is into me [no puns intended].
      Longer answer — My first SB arrangement started off quite well but slowly and then quickly soured for me. She definitely did have feelings for me but was more looking at me for a way out of her life problems. What started with a general attraction and regard by me disappeared as she started drinking/smoking too much. But I blame myself a bit because I was too new to this to see the warning signs up front.
      Second one I knew was a “home run”, as you put it, within 3 hours of meeting. We’ve been together for almost two years.
      So this is my take on your query;
      1) why would a guy stay in an arrangement where he wasn’t really into the SB, and vice versa. I know I wouldn’t having had both the great and the not great. The great is soooo much better I don’t want to settle for less.
      2) Depends on the type of SD – the above will not apply to the puzzy grazers going from profile to profile. They won’t care.
      3) Age differences will play a role as to how much “into-ness” can arise. I think the type of affection will alter the more the age differential there is. The more difference the more likely I think there will be a mentor fondness rather than a IRL relationship attraction.

      • Anonymous says:

        I have had three long term sugar relationships and we were great friends. I have also had several short term ones. When I sensed that the SB really wasn’t into me, it became a game of each trying to extract the most benefits. As one can imagine, that game doesn’t last long.

    • Elaine says:

      @Dash, I have felt attraction and genuinly cared for all my LT SDs. In 2 cases much deeper feelings developed and for this reason we had to finish it, as they were both married. With all (minus 1) ex SDs I am still
      in friendly contact. Biggest age gap with all was max. 10 years.

  31. QueenK says:

    Are there SD’s that actually like chocolate women?

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes there are but most have decided to stop making meeting queens, princesses, spoiling-seekers, etc.

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t let IHF see this.

    • Dash says:

      Do you mean like as in prefer over any other?

      Like as in would meet and date, definitely. Strangely, all the girls I’m attracted to that are darker skin live hours away from me even though I’m in an area that’s about a 50/50 split white black. Not sure why that is but yeah.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      LoL You’re so fucking annoying. Talking to you doesn’t work. Maybe some corporal punishment….

  32. noname says:

    i found this interesting video on you tube i hope this link works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzzdElmB7dI its called sugar baby university campus tour

  33. William says:

    Had a bad day did we?? Throw in some good jokes and maybe you too can host the Golden Globes.
    There that ought to be able to get a few witty asides!

  34. Todd says:

    Someone needs a good horse fucking. Probably some fat wife.

  35. Anonymous says:

    HhYou people are so full of dung and delisoonal. That’s right, you denying her more income is no different than aan who is married and provides his SB a single wide trailer. How dare her greedy ass ask for a double wide while he provides a Louis Vitton hand bag for his wife, Hermes and Chanel clothing. But, the Audacity of his SB asking for a double wide and her car payment should make her a cheap ass whore and a gold digger.Well, that right there would make me and anyone else certainly hit the pavement of SA and find a new SB that will appreciate me and All I do for her. There are some serious ungrateful women on this site for sure. More like, this site is seriously looted with cheap minded, cheap pocketed and ill intent men. May this year bring you all exactly what you sow for. May you reap only what you speak and what you give. If you are penny pinchers based on what you speak, then may your business suffer, may your dicks stay limp, may you not be given anything from a SB or any woman in public and may your wives divorce you and take everything you own bc your wives are foaming at the mouth wanting a sexually exciting an that spoils them and knows what their favorite color is. It is apparent that no one from this blog offers anything but that which is not desirable and only our left over feces is what the blog men provide these days and have for years. You men are nothing more than a dollar menu meal at McDonald’s. No wonder you hog the blog day in and day out. The wealthy men that actually love women are living life while you guys grow wrinkles here. Lmao.

    • Anonymous says:

      +1
      Of course, I mean why spoil the SB who pleasures you, the wife who won’t even sleep in the same bed with you is the one who deserves spoiling!

      • guest says:

        Haa I often laugh at this. The wife is getting the most and yet she can’t even be bothered. The woman that is giving you quality time is treated like some backwood sperm recepticle. Gotta love that logic. That sweet young woman these men take for grated with be the ” Eww don’t touch me but don’t divorce me or I’ll take half of your income” Tomorrow. I suppose the game truly is every Man for himself.

      • Rat says:

        quit the meth. it’s messing up your damn mind

    • Frank95 says:

      Is this the result of a failing education system? Are our schools so lost to grammar and spelling that this is the result?

      Perhaps I am too harsh on the education system. It is possible that the writer played hookey so often as to impair his literacy significantly. Or perhaps his parents didn’t care that he/she fell so far behind.

      The good news is that there are remedial literacy courses out there which would help this person.

      • Anonymous says:

        Perhaps you read the score tonight. My literacy was right on the money. I changed teams and told you who to bet on, on Saturday. You really should start appreciating my so called illeriterate ass or understand that each time you disrespect me, I will change the game. Wake up.

      • Rat says:

        Reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyy liking the word illeriterate here LMAO

      • guest says:

        I think the person is probably upset with what some of the ugliest men around consider generous. If everyone looked like FunDide then fine but if that’s not the case then….

      • Rat says:

        When you have $$$ you don’t need looks

      • Anonymous says:

        People think education is expensive,,,Try ignorance!

      • Anonymous says:

        Such the contrary. When in conversation with aan who is still incesantly on your site, or one of the many, I told him flat out on who to bet on. He wanted to justification as to why. There is no justification other than I said so. He still has not learned besides running games on women. I tried to help him financially on what was more than a hunch. However, no different than the advice given on the blog. If an old dog does not want to learn new tricks, then who am I am to argue with him. There is a huge magnifications like difference from
        learning and the one from manipulating. Even amidst his on going manipulation in order for him to consider financially helping me…that was his “pull”. The key here is not to manipulate another to sway the vote in your favor or for one to another provide reasoning to be a part of their life. As much as I understand that this is Sugar dating…the transactions (as tacky people will reference) is real. The conveying is real and if what you offer up is fake, then expect fake dividends in return, you asked for it. If minimal is all you can to another without seeing them through, then expect them to not give a rats patoot-ie if they are you to the finish line either.

        Further more, since so many colleges, web crawlers, Info digging statistical gathers base their algorithms on particular words o seek and search out convo. On public forums and mass media…) then I suggest you break out a thesaurus to get to know me, in order to find information that is not loaded in your data base. No different than men searching for key words of profiles. You better start getting creative on how you search, or you will wind up with statistics that match the reality of the polls and actually art of what is really being reflected. But, you bright folks know this already. Eh?

      • Anonymous says:

        Meaning your statistics will match what Is reflected, but will not match the outcome of the reality and your data will be off. No more commenting until I change systems in order to see what I am typing.

  36. Fundude says:

    Some eye candy for the sugar daddies from FunDude:

    {{{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftDK0atcHEw}}}}

    This should be aspiration for all sugar babies.

    • Anonymous says:

      The standards for beauty have very much gone down. Those girls were thin at least but the faces, big thumbs down except for maybe one girl. I have to say that I’m quite disappointed.

    • William says:

      Well fundud I like my women real. Great for you if they are uber skinny but I think you have drunk the koolaid! Don’t be seduced by the manipulators.

    • James says:

      Well, you will rarely find girls like that on this website. For the main reason that such beauties don’t need a SD, they can already earn money by being models.

  37. WTF says:

    @sbabyluv, wow 25 yr old sd and that too with ED? not sure if that is god or bad ?

    • SBabyluv says:

      No, my main SD is fighting cancer and on chemo; he’s not able to perform like before. So I have another SD I am intimate with and he’s 25.

  38. remboder says:

    I enjoyed reading the SBabyluv posts…we need more stories like this from SBs.
    Anyone who believes her stories, has to – absolutely has to – believe mine…
    Even if I say I am an alien that can morph into the handsomest Earth males and impregnate a couple of soccer teams with my alien offspring …:-))).

  39. Your opinion please says:

    I offered to take my SB to napa on a date which was to include with what tasting 5 star restaurant lunch and massage treatment for her. Due to the distance the date was going to be more like 6 hours then our usual 4 to 5. She asked for a bonus on top of her regular allowance….

    • Your opinion please says:

      ..wine tasting..

      • Frank95 says:

        I’d just message her withdrawing the offer, and look on the site to see if there was anyone else here interested.

        Another alternative would be to withdraw the offer, and replace it with a longer date for the extra she wants, but back at the usual venue. No wine tasting, no massage. Win-win. She gets extra money, you get extra quality bedroom time, and you save the travel, wine tasting and massage costs.

        Another alternative, find another SB who might appreciate those things some more than your existing SB.

      • Josh says:

        Simply refuse to deal with any and all women are not into you.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Agree if the only way she can stomach being in your company for an extra hour or two is for a “bonus” why bother find someone who will appreciate the nice things you’re willing to do for them and who enjoys being in your company

      • William says:

        Jay and Josh are right. I mean really! She dishonours herself while dishonouring you.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        He didn’t want our opinions for real lol he already knew she didn’t want him but wanted us to give him the ok to give her the bonus.

      • Elaine says:

        “She gets extra money, you get extra quality bedroom time” What do you consider quality bedroom time @ Frank? What quality time can be expected with this kind of girl??? Being with her SD obviously is nothing but a chore for her! He should next her and find a more apprecitive SB who is more into him.

      • Frank95 says:

        Elaine, note that I didn’t specify “high” quality time. :)

        There’s a lot of wiggle room there.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Start looking for a new SB

    • SBabyluv says:

      Are you paying her by the hour?

      • Your opinion please says:

        No..a monthly allowance with weekly dates.

      • SBabyluv says:

        Is she the model from pic on this article?
        Girl must be a 10 and suck like a pro for you to put up with that much… wow…

        I am on a 3k monthly and have never asked my SD for a bonus- we fly to different cities, take road trips and he sleeps over when he can/wants, etc. Now we buy presents for each other on holidays and special occasions, but I have never asked for a bonus.

        And if my dog got sick and needed an operation, or my car needed a part or repair- I would ask and he’d handle it for me.
        We care for each other; that’s my dude right there..

        If my SD had planned such a beautiful trip as you have, I would be giddy with excitement and all over it. You really didn’t deserve the way she treated you. I’m sorry you had to go through that… I’m going to have to vote no on this one, too.

        *UNLESS the head is so good and you just want to pay her because she sucks it so good…then be real with yourself; pay her for that and keep your heart/emotions/ego out of it, but you know where you stand with this one.
        If you can live like that-It’s your call…

    • guest says:

      Wait did you say you booked her a massage package or was this ” my hands and lubriderm lotion” offer?

    • ks says:

      If she wants remuneration by the hour she is not a SB in the sense depicted on this website… you are lucky the visit was not to go over 8 hours or she probably would want an overtime rate… next…

      • Anonymous says:

        I agree, SB’s should strive to be more like real SB’s with monthly allowances not some cheap escorts paid by the hour.

    • Dash says:

      Time to move on. Especially if this is someone you already have an established relationship with. I’d also take the time to assess if you’re doing anything wrong too though. If this is a pattern then that’s a problem.

      • guest says:

        Thank You Dash! Your advice is spot on. How people treat you is really about how you allow them to treat you.

    • Anonymous says:

      You people are so full of dung and delisoonal. That’s right, you denying her more income is no different than aan who is married and provides his SB a single wide trailer. How dare her greedy ass ask for a double wide while he provides Louis citron for his wife, Hermes and Chanel clothing.

      But, the Audacity of his SB asking for a double wide and her car payment should make her a cheap ass whore and a gold digger. Well, that right there would make me and anyone else certainly hit the pavement of SA and find a new SB that will appreciate me and All I do for her. There are some serious ungrateful women on this site for sure.

      More like, this site is seriously looted with cheap minded, cheap pocketed and ill intent men. May this year bring you all exactly what you sow for. May you reap only what you speak and what you give. If you are penny pinchers based on what you speak, then may your business suffer, may your dicks stay limp, may you not be given anything from a SB or any woman in public and may your wives divorce you and take everything you own bc your wives are foaming at the mouth wanting a sexually exciting an that spoils them and knows what their favorite color is. It is apparent that no one from this blog offers anything but that which is not desirable. And only our left over feces is what the blog men provide these days and have for years. You men are nothing more than a dollar menu meal at McDonald’s. No wonder you hog the blog day in and day out. The wealthy men that actually love women are living life while you guys grow wrinkles here. Lmao.

    • Andy says:

      One word…NEXT!

    • Bill says:

      You are her employer. That rather makes her a hooker.

    • James says:

      Sometimes I really can’t understand women. Doesnt she know she’s already lucky to have 1 SD ? There are tons of women that don’t have a SD for the simple fact that women outnumber men on here. You should use this as your advantage and tell her that if she’s not happy with you, then you’re going to find another girl that appreciates and enjoys what you have to offer !

  40. SBabyluv says:

    Ladies,
    While I agree with the article on some points- why the heck would a serious SB go out with a PotSD who suggested a first date be at a bar? Sketchy much?

    And also, I’ve never had any success with SDs that I’ve chased. Why would he put in any work on my desperate ass if I were humping his leg like that?
    Use your common sense.

    Please girls..
    SD’s are just like any guy you would meet offline, they don’t deserve special treatment just because you met them on SA.

    again

    SD’s are just like any guy you would meet offline, they don’t deserve special treatment just because you met them on SA.

    One more

    SD’s are just like any guy you would meet offline, they don’t deserve special treatment just because you met them on SA.

    An SD advertising he’s willing to pay- does not mean that he has to spend it on your goddamn ass… so cool it with the idea that he’s automatically going to spend cash just because you found him on SA. Most SDs only spend if they know they HAVE to…

    This is what works for SBs looking for financial sponsorship:
    You need to work on a good profile with plenty of pics and wait to be chosen.
    You choose your SD based on how generous and well he treats you. 1st date is free. No money or sex talk. If he gets past date one and you want to move forward: You get allowance before he gets sex. End of story.

    I can’t tell you how many annoyed true SDs I speak to that say how turned off they are by the aggressive nature of SBs these days. Don’t get me wrong, they will f*ck you, promise your thirsty behind the world, hand you $200 and move on to interviewing a sugarbaby who is truly worthy of the time and money he chooses to put into the arrangement. If you act like a horny dumb girl, you will be treated like a $200 cum bucket.
    The SaltD’s and whore mongers love this kind of crap. Real SDs will turned off.

    Unless you want to get calls after 10pm and be jizzed on once a month for $200, I suggest you stay away from reaching out to SDs.

    I am over 30, make 4k a month sugaring and have never reached out to any PotSDs on SA. Take it from me- put your pics up and wait. No first dates beginning after 8pm, and for goodness sake don’t talk about money or sex on the first date- if he tries, tell him not on the first date please…

    Seriously- leave the pepper spray at home…if you are smart and hang out in safe, public areas at decent times, and actually get to know who these men are before cracking open your legs- you won’t need to carry weapons on your dates.

    • Anonymous says:

      To any SBs who are reading the above.
      I just want to remind you that the poster SBabyluv is anonymous. While it does not necessarily mean she is lying…a blogger can say whatever she wants. She can say she is 60 and has two 30 year old billionaires flying her first class to Paris for a romantic brunch every other Sunday.
      My guess is that SBabyluv is an escort. Her advice is crap. I have been reached by SBs numerous times and had LTRs with them that lasted for months. No, you will not get “4K in sugaring from me”, but you will get enough to cover your living expenses and an occasional trip to a fun place.
      IMHO, a woman “over 30” who says she gets “over 4k in sugar” and does not use her profile to post here most likely is talking out of her behind. Alternatively, she is an escort who sees multiple people at $80-200. It goes without saying that on average – on average! – an escort is likely to make more money than an SB. I presume an escort sees 20-30 guys in a week. Even at a 100 per pop – that is a good deal of cash.
      If you want to go pro…the sky is a limit. Just do not call yourself an SB…

      • guest says:

        I disagree. An escort CAN see 30- 40 men per week but realistically I think not only would that be wear and tear on the body but also the mind. Do you really think men that pay $80-$200 for sex are really that pleasant or kind to be around? Based on that sounding incredibly low most of those types are probably horrible. An escort that is higher priced probably only sees 3-5 men a week tops. I think you’re talking prostitutes that just jump in a car and park somewhere. You also have to factor in safety and law enforcement. If an escort so 40 people a week she’d spend most of that week behind bars just based on law of averages. It’s a shame that some of the most brilliant men can also be the the most clueless. I’m not trying to be offensive here but your logic and numbers are way off.

      • SBabyluv says:

        @ Anonymous
        I’m not an escort. I have an SD who gives me a monthly allowance of 3k, that cover all my bills and house expenses. I pay for extras. I’ve been with him through his chemo, I know his children and even his wife. They are separated.
        We live in CA where 3k is not even that much for a SB. I joined SA at inception, and I have had 2 arrangements from this site that lasted well over 12month a piece and they were both depositing 4k a month into my bank account. But I didn’t get there by acting like a cumdumpster reaching out to SDs begging for cash. I also have a 25yr old SD(my SD has ED), and he gifts me 1-2k a month. and I have a part time job.
        Look, I personally think SBs are more mistresses and girlfriends and you can have LTR on here even thought most SDs say they want NSA. That’s where you make bank.
        If I were to bedhop, I would make a lot less money than I do doing it this way. I don’t know where you are from, but NYC and CA 4k isn’t even that much for an allowance.
        One of my SB friends has her rent paid for in a 2k a month apartment, a car leased and 4k allowance. she’s exclusive SB to one SD and a professional model. so, no you can make it and you don’t have to suck 20 dicks a month to get it.

        Ladies-
        Notice how Anonymous will only give you the money you need for living expenses, this is a great lesson to learn: most guys will only meet your needs, so make sure you know what that number is. Mine is 3k.So I advertise 4k. So my main SD meets just that. I told my 25yr old, I needed 1500 and that’s what I get. Always know your number. And avoid P4P situations.

      • Anonymous says:

        I was wondering when will a “25 year old SD” appear…:-)))).
        Ok, here is my story… I have 5 20 year old SBs at 500/month. They are all in college, study computer science. I see them Monday-Friday, one at a time.
        They worship my dick, as I am a stud. They are happy to get that allowance as they know they cannot get any better…
        if you believe SBabyluv… I have a slightly used bridge in the NYC area and an oceanfront property in Ohio… all very reasonable… I will send you all the details to deposit money in my account…

      • Anonymous says:

        Anonymous says:
        January 9, 2016 at 5:18 pm
        I was wondering when will a “25 year old SD” appear…:-)))).
        Ok, here is my story… I have 5 20 year old SBs at 500/month. They are all in college, study computer science. I see them Monday-Friday, one at a time.
        They worship my dick, as I am a stud. They are happy to get that allowance as they know they cannot get any better…
        if you believe SBabyluv… I have a slightly used bridge in the NYC area and an oceanfront property in Ohio… all very reasonable… I will send you all the details to deposit money in my account”

        Please ignore @rembodler Sbabyluv. He is a bitter loser. He loves nothing more than to discredit any positive story and call it fake bc he can’t get any woman unless they r paid, LOL.

      • Emmanuella says:

        I have to disagree with you! I am 48 and look a lot better than someone in there twenties, and have quite a l,ot of men that want to court me, and take care of me. I just did 2 photo shoots for Playboy and never lack money or having a quality relationship. I am blessed with very good genes, but most importantly, I am educated, intelligent, and have more to offer than a younger girl, and because of this, they always want to stay with me. I have over the top emails on this site, and do not have enough time to answer all of my messages. So it does not matter your age, it depends on how a man views beauty and intelligence

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Emmanuella
        Ignore all the idiots on this blog that try to put down older women. Quality older-women do just fine in the sugar-bowl. Since those men are our age, they’re bitter because they thought this site was “leveling the playing field for them” and giving them power.

    • guest says:

      Actually I appreciate the what not to do but feel more time chatting on site aids in either side not wasting time. I prefer to discuss expectations or at very least hopes of a successful arrangement prior to meeting. If he’s too vague or I hear too many phrases that edge on the extreme end ie wife/ girlfriend to escort/ fwb without real benefits then I know he’s not seeking an arrangement at all.

      • William says:

        OK on the whole I agree but how can he talk about FWB without benefits? I mean that just does not make sense.

      • guest says:

        There are many men here that hope the allowance discussion never comes up and uses all sorts of tactics to get aroynd it. Some use the shame game of ” ohh did you know there are escorts here?”. Also comments that state ” thanks for talking to me after you get through all of the lines and find out you’ve saved yourself from sitting across the table from a fake. One even tried ” hey let’s skype while I’m on my trip and you could be your true self as I know you’re an exhibitionist”. I responded with no that’s not me at all. If I’m not in a relationship nor an arrangement I have no interest in such things that are of no benefit to me. Ohh yes this one fake was trying ever cheesy angle. Next was the I’m on my way to Vegas so why not drive 4-5 hrs to meet me. Why would I meet a non SD? I mean if I’m seeking a hook up sans allowance wouldnt it make sense to just look on Tinder and find a hot sexy studdy guy my own age?

        Dude was delusional. I also had to inform him that I would never drive 5 hrs to meet even the hottest man alive . Not only was he 15 years out of my age desire cut off, not attractive face nor body, attempted to thrwart allowance discussions and had the audacity to suggest a 4-5 hr drive meanwhile he was close to my area before he even left on this trip. Ohh and he’s here to regular date women 35-45+ his junior.

    • SBabyluv says:

      Hey, are there any moderators on here? I wanted to know where I can submit an article on what to do with non performing assets?
      Thanks

    • Anonymous says:

      I hope potential SBs take the above words with a grain of salt. We don’t have time to run a thousand searches, chase POT SBs, and run typical “courting”. We would be on regular sites if so!

      Every one of my prior SBs (from this site and others) was the one who initiated contact.

      Do not fool yourself into thinking this should work like a regular dating site where men have to “chase” you. Most of us simply don’t have time for it.

      Ladies, go after what you want because if you don’t, someone else will.

      • guest says:

        Chasing and contacting are different things. If you have the allowance that matches with the SB then fine. I personally don’t contact SDs because it screams ” desperate for money” which ultimately brings forth pay for play low end response. This of course isn’t all but most. Men are in general visual creatures. If they like you then at the very least they’ll favorite your profile. That’s the only time I reach out.

      • Anonymous says:

        I view this as one in the same. I never think “desperate for money” if a girl contacts me. I think “willing to put in effort”.

        I never favorite any girl I like. Most girls write me after they see I’ve viewed their profile and if I still have interest after seeing what they write, I write back.

        Ladies who are not willing to put in the effort are doing themselves a large disservice.

      • Dash says:

        It’s more a matter of you are going to get lost in the shuffle if you don’t make an effort. Many girls do make the effort, and if I like them I will talk to them.

        The thing to remember is that there are a lot of beautiful women on this site so it’s not much of a differentiator. I don’t think some of the SB’s understand that and want to be chased or feel they can be aloof and don’t need to put in any effort. I’m sure the SD’s are that way too with the “I’m the one paying” attitude. I always advocate high standards but I think people feel they are owed something often times and miss out.

    • Anonymous says:

      A blog is a place where many people live their fantasy life. If you think fat old unattractive women do not have a fantasy life, you are mistaken… Some women will get their kicks simply writing about thousands of dollars “in sugar”, several SDs, young SDs that adore them etc.
      What else they are gonna do – watch reruns of the “Say Yes to the Dress” whir eating Doritos? Gets boring…

      • elaine says:

        Ah, finally again someone brought up the “old”, “fat” and unattractive” mantra when a SB posts something they don’t like!

        It is so funny to hear people asking for real sugar stories, but at the moment someone does and it is different from their own sugar reality, they start to call names and ridicule the poster.

        This is EXACTLY the reason why people DON’T share their real sugarstories here!:-(

      • noname says:

        yes your right why share anything on here the minute you do your attact

    • SBabyluv says:

      SDs are on a site where they are openly advertising their need/desire to buy female sensuality… Pussy is valuable.
      Dick is free.

      SDs are on here to buy SB time, the same way normal guys come after us in the real world. I’ve tried this blog before and honestly the amount of shit that I see written on here advising SBs to do things that are counterproductive to success and plain stupid is astronomical.
      There is so much bad advice on this blog.

      SDs are not special because they are on SA. And SBs don’t have to cater to them to win them over.

      I live the reality and have been successful so I don’t care. I just don’t like the idea that so many bloggers promote foolish ideas and new SBs that don’t know the hustle come here and are being duped.
      I’m gonna keep telling my story and hopefully other SBs don’t sell out for $200 p4p deals. allowances are monthly and sex is not hourly.

      I want SBs to look around them on the streets and places they work and study- look at all the men opening doors, paying bills, shopping along and courting their ladies. Chivalry is not dead. They are still paying for it.

      If you give to get- bend over backwards to please, cook for the man, cater to his ego, chase him, all that stuff you do to spoil a bf, he will give you $200 and the boot.

      If you wait patiently to hear his offer- you will get $1000’s in a monthly allowances and a chance to gain access to his knowledge, his network and all the other good things a respectable SB would want from her SD.
      So, sit down and wait.

      But if you listen to bad advice that tells you to act cheap you won’t end up being treated well. There are good men out there looking to help you through school.

      I’m back on SA now for less than a week and I’ve been offered 2k a month upfront allowance to meet up 1x a week.- it took me 1 coffee date and a few pleasant txts. A handsome man in finance. I’ve also been approached by old friends of which I am still good friends because I don’t treat ppl like trash.

      So go ahead make jokes all you want- I don’t care. I’m going to share my stories and help school these ladies as much as I can.

      I still think that SA should make an SB only page and SBs should be charged a fee to join.

      I also have an idea for an article now on how to recognize an SD vs a Whore monger. Moderators please?

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        Anonymous SB with tall tales. How long before she starts telling everyone how smart she is?

      • Josh says:

        @SBabyluv’s monthly allowance has gone down from $4k/momth to $2k/month within 24 hours. The next long-ass post will have $1k/month. 😉

      • William says:

        In a sense your advice is legit but your $’s are out to lunch. Have you checked the stock market lately??!! Have any of you SB’s twicked on to understanding a SD’s environment at all?? This is a point I think SB’s miss big time. Your guys are HURTING right now – don’t go pushing for more.

    • Fundude says:

      Shh, no one believes you lol

      • Anonymous says:

        I didn’t finishing reading her ramblings, but I suspect she’s just trying to knock her competitors offline. It’s very bad advice.

      • elaine says:

        @Anonymous

        “but I suspect she’s just trying to knock her competitors offline. It’s very bad advice.”

        You can think about the advice whatever you want (personally I don’t think it’s bad, it is just not for everyone) but your assumption that she is giving this advice to knock off competition is the stupidest thing ever!

        1. Of the hundreds of thousands SBs, how many are reading this blog?
        2. How many of those are her direct competition location wise?
        3. How many of those are going to follow it?

    • TVC15 says:

      What’s wrong with meeting someone at a classy bar?

  41. Jaybird923 says:

    No one cares. But I must admit that using the IRS to try to get SBs to lower their expectation was a nice try. :-)) not going to work though

  42. IRS Agent and Estate Attorney says:

    A wealthy SD could easily get audited and bank accounts reviewed. Let’s see, Practical is up to $36,000 per year, Moderate is $60,000 per year and Substantial is $120,000 per year. Hmmm exactly how do you ‘give’ $10,000 a month in cash/funds a month. A wad of 100 dollar bills?, or perhaps an Electronic Transfer. Either way it is a huge red flag and easily noticed. Perhaps then the SD claims it is not a gift since he did not file form 709, so the burden he contends falls on the SB to report is as self employment income on Schedule C. She has to chose a profession as well. Escorting is legal. But even illegally gotten money has to reported to the IRS. That is why the mobster Al Capone went to prison.

    So exactly how many of you moderate category SB’s out there have actually received in one tax year $60,000, or you substantial SB’s $120,000 ??

    I suspect a very small percentage actually have received these sums. Of those that did, I would willing to bet few handled it legally as far as Tax law is concerned??

  43. Josh says:

    Le roi est mort, vive le roi !

  44. Anonymous says:

    The blog’s been so dead and boring the past few days. What’s going on? Did everybody go on some kind of post new years vacation or something? or is everybody asleep?? Wake up people!!

  45. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Elaine

    Yes, I do see your point. On the other hand, I view these conversations as highly entertaining. Thirty years ago I was single, starting my career, had no money, but was able to do a triathlon. I would have been an excellent proponent of FD’s views. It is only know that I appreciate the value of cash in bridging the gap in the infamous SMV between me and a college age gymnast or figure skater.

  46. Another Anonymous says:

    @Elaine

    Respectfully I disagree. True this is a SUGAR blog, but even insights from an outsider can be interesting. FD is in a position of a guy who participates in a private school blog and offers an opinion that smart enough kids can get excellent education for free in a public school. No wonder he is not popular neither with private school teachers, nor with some students.

    As to name calling, I agree he is guilty, but that is so frequent here that he just blends in.

    • elaine says:

      @AA

      Insight from an outsider are ok and can be even refreshing, as long as it is a 2 way communication and not constantly presented as the ONLY truth!
      Especially when you have only 2 or 3 topics that you constantly repeat.

      Putting (never said) words in other bloggers mouth and use them to push your own agenda and with the only purpose of stirring shit is not!

      Calling REAL sugar participants -who you don’t even know-: ugly, fat, old, unattractive, whore’s, feminazi’s, hard core feminists, mangina’s, Beta’s, losers etc. is not!

      Again, just see for yourself how the blog is now, without his disturbing presence…

    • Elaine says:

      Cest le tone que fait la musique …

    • Josh says:

      I disagree with you @Elaine about the “truce”. The “truce”–even just an acknowledgement of the same–was needed to calm things down.

      @TVC tried to keep the drama going, but the “truce” took the wind out of @FunDude.

    • Frank95 says:

      FD’s “insight” consisted of telling us that younger guys could get intimacy for free, or cheaply. Doh! Well, who’d a thunk it?

      That was followed by a conclusion that women who wanted a bit more than that were “entitled”.

      His comments would have been trivial, even on a normal dating site. However, on a site that is specifically about sugar dating?

      Yes folks, this is a sugar dating site. Women ARE entitled to expect sugar as part of the mutually beneficial arrangement. That’s the whole point. Doh!

      And yes, younger sugar daddies will pay a whole lot less. First because they don’t have to pay a lot for women to want to bonk them, and second, because younger guys simply don’t have as much money as older guys.

      Unless there’s an inheritance involved, it works like this financially.

      Guy 20, wealth zip, zero, nix, nada. He can get it for free. He’s not going to pay for it. At age 20, he hasn’t worked long enough to have any money, anything he has is probably on finance big time. No $$ for you sister.

      Guy 60, wealth a couple of million (google the average age of millionaires, and it’s around 60). He’s never going to get it for free from a newly legal woman. But, he’s got money. He can pay for college education, the business startup, or whatever.

      None of that came through on FD’s posts though.

      • Fundude says:

        I would be the exception for a male in his 30s.

        Ergo, why would I mention those things

        Sure most guys in their 20s and 30s won’t have much money.

        Also, assets are unimportant, These dudes could easily just pay out of income.

      • Frank95 says:

        Nope. Wrong! Ding!

        People can only pay out of income MINUS expenses.

        So, the money to pay an SB has to come out of income (generally lower for younger guys) minus expenses (usually higher for younger guys paying off cars, real estate stock and bond purchases).

        The demographic of young guys with big incomes who aren’t buying their own apartment or real estate or stocks is just so vanishingly small as to be irrelevant for the purposes of any SB considering an allowance. It’ll be free, or a once a month pump and dump for these guys.

      • noname says:

        frank 95 what you said about old guys being wealthy is true a older man generally but not always will have more money than a young man i personally don’t understand why a young man under the age of 35 would use this site but each their own you don’t have to be rich to be a sugar daddy all you need is enough surplus income to be able to pay a allowance to a SB but the difference is those that are paying a allowance out of income verses the older gent of means is the high income guy can lose that income at any time while the person with investments and or their own business doesn’t have to worry about getting fired or laid off the money keeps coming in regardless unless he’s stupid and takes on too much debt another danger of someone useing high income to pay for a sugar baby is he should be putting this money into investments so it will be there for him when he needs it i doubt the sb he spent money on will be there in 30 years time when hes broke and can’t earn the big bucks any more

      • Frank95 says:

        Exactly noname.

        In addition, just consider. Even $1500 a month repaying a standard credit foncier loan on real estate represents an investment property of $300k roughly.

        So, a young guy could pay a SB that money, and give up a long term investment….or just lie to her, pump and dump her, and keep the investment. Well, of course he wouldn’t lie, would he?

      • noname says:

        agreed frank95

  47. Another Anonymous says:

    @ FunDude

    Well FD, you are the new guru and you will lead us to triumphs. :-)

    • Anonymous says:

      There you go! Guru of posting unnecessary comments to slow the page down.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Anonymous

        Actually not, FunDude might be unpopular with local bloggettes but mostly because the messangers of unpopular truth are never popular.

        The guru of posting useless venomous ad hominem attacks is TVC 15, but for your last comment you do get a honorable mention/silver medal. :-)

      • elaine says:

        @ Another Anonymous

        “Actually not, FunDude might be unpopular with local bloggettes but mostly because the messangers of unpopular truth are never popular.”

        May I correct you on this @AA?

        @BrokenRecordDude is only unpopular for the following reasons:

        1. Namecalling
        2. Trying to create turmoil by putting never said words in other bloggers mouths.
        3. Repeating the same things again, over and over and over and over and over…..
        4. Posting on the wrong blog, this is a SUGAR blog, for members of the sugar community. His “truth” is worthless as he doesn’t participate and thus doesn’t know.

        Haven’t you noticed how much more pleasant the blog is lately, since other bloggers refrained from answering and neglected him?
        Now he is hardly posting anymore and the atmosphere is so much better!

        No “truce” was needed to reach that!:-)

  48. Fundude says:

    Shit, almost all of the SDs in here sound like myself.

    I guess my job is done. I don’t even need to comment. Its like everything I was going to say has been said.

    Keep up the good work brahs!

  49. Fundude says:

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    Didnt realize Marky Mark was so small. Even the coach is bigger than the brah.

  50. Another Anonymous says:

    @SD

    Actually I did not call 200k moderate. I just pointed out that SA definition of moderate (5k per month) is nearly 200k of pretax income after the perks are counted in.

    • Anonymous says:

      Where for or where for art my Dave? Like the sands of times, these are the barnacles of our lives.

      I like and even love sex,
      But we need substitive conversation besides the algae that grapples the boat we are
      On. Yet, I have not disappeared into the sea of the Atlantic until today, knowing we have no “Jeffersonian” for the tried and true SD’s and SB’s, that we have loved and lost, over the years. May you somehow revive
      And come back to us, like an awesome beer commercial, those who made this space a great space to flounder, sail and moon walk upon. ⛵️

      • IRS Agent and Estate Attorney says:

        SA really needs to get rid of these absurd lifestyle expectation ranges. Anything over $1,200 per month is a problem legally.

      • Anonymous says:

        Well then what do you propose dear, that we suddenly drop our expectations to minimal?

      • IRS Agent and Estate Attorney says:

        Put down negotiable then. Just keep in mind if your SD gives you more than $14,000 in a year he has to file form 709 which exposes his activities and you. Courts have generally ruled in mistress income tax evasion cases that it is the intent of the donor that determines gift versus income. So you are probably safe if you the SB don’t declare it as income as long as the SD can make a case they consider it a gift.

      • IRS Agent and Estate Attorney says:

        If you must have more than $1,166 a month then I would question your activities. Obviously you could see multiple people for less each, or one person for a short period of time for more. However this begins to sound like a ‘business’ and if you are audited an agent is going to start questioning how it is you can afford your life style when this income does not appear on your return. They are not stupid.

        The fundamental problem this site has is setting unrealistic lifestyle expectations for mistress type arrangements. I suspect it is a marketing ploy to attract SB’s as its product. This product is then ‘sold’ to the membership paying SD’s.

      • Anonymous says:

        Who is going to audit a college aged girl? She could save that money and pay her tuition.

    • IRS Agent and Estate Attorney says:

      Exactly $14,000 is the most you can give without triggering the gift requirement to file for 709. Unless of course your SB is in business as an escort and will pay her own taxes on what you give her…..

      So then are all these SBs looking for more than about $1,200 self employed escorts that file schedule C?

      • Admirer says:

        You are by definition “SALTY” based on your statement. These women do not care about the nuances of taxation. They only care about their Loubotins.

      • newsugarbaby says:

        taxes? I thought we didn’t have to pay taxes when its cash??

      • Frank95 says:

        That’s Louboutins not Loubotins (sic).

        But Stuart Weitzman, Jimmy Choo, Walter Steiger will do.

        Personally, I think Louboutins are very over-rated. They go with nothing, and that is the only way they should be worn, if I must buy them. 😉

        And just don’t mention Alexander McQueen. Ugh!

      • guest says:

        Lol at the taxation fear mongering to force your 1200 allowance offerings as standard. The only thing you’re promoting is the juggling of SDs.

  51. Fundude says:

    I see I haven’t missed much on this blog.

    No interesting topics discussed lol

  52. Jaybird923 says:

    I think SA has officially forsaken us lol 3400+ post and no new blog. Maybe they are sick of us criticizing everything they write…

    • Anonymous says:

      Its ironic and funny to say the least. Why join SA? Where the manipulative gather on blogs and on SA, to perfect their craft and spread disease like puss sores. The smart just become jigolow’a and escorts on their own and have no shame in representing what they offer. At least, you pay for what you get.

      Families spend 1k each on their children at Christmas knowing the kids will break, destroy and send to the dust pile 80% of what is purchased. Yet, the SA blog crew teaches and educated the men to toss the ladies into a dust pile based on age and sexual performance. Ya’ll signed over your respect rights years ago, why stop now?

      No different than a pastor preaching health and prosperity and then manipulates his congregation into feeling bad for not giving or lack into their homes if they don’t support the ministry. When the same people could believe in their own and find miracle after
      Miracle and give to the homeless person or struggling financial person they meet in a store, it’s no different. But, shhhhh, don’t tell people that because then, it blows the whistle on everyone’s gig. Snore on the same ol same ol that Ya’ll create here. I am totally out. Deuces.

      • Frank95 says:

        You’re welcome. Thanks for calling. Please shut the door on the way out, and have a nice day.

      • Anonymous says:

        Oh look Frank…I vomite on your old ass on the way out the door. See your shoes and you lapel. Yeah…you might want to clean that up there “son”… Or shall I call you “grandpa”.

      • Anonymous says:

        No one gives a flying rats ass how many women you screw on your rented jet, nor their age, nor how much Viagra you have to induce via intravenously to “get it up” in order to perform like an injury lawyer, coming to the rescue. You could be Hitler with a cane and a limp and we would still avoid you. If money could buy looks, then you would pay for yours to get better and hers. Oh wait. You don’t pay for hers or yours. Duhhhh.

        Suck it and use a ventilator for everything else that you can’t handle. I would say “Hillary at me”, but you would need a Miracle ear device to hear me.

      • Anonymous says:

        No one gives a flying rats ass how many women you screw on your rented jet, nor their age, nor how much Viagra you have to induce via intravenously to “get it up” in order to perform like an injury lawyer, coming to the rescue. You could be Hitler with a cane and a limp and we would still avoid you. If money could buy looks, then you would pay for yours to get better and hers. Oh wait. You don’t pay for hers or yours. Duhhhh.

        Suck it and use a ventilator for everything else that you can’t handle.

        I would say “Hollar at me”, but you would need a Miracle ear device to hear me.

      • Anonymous says:

        “Hillary” was not intended to be voiced. They take out people in a wired accidental accidents that violate their names. So, her name was in no way legally solicited in my conversation for any implication to any validity of point. Mere flaw in spell correction. No lie. I am telling you apple people really need to up your game. You won’t call me..but I’ll play pretend. After I win the lottery, you will call me while I graze on my ceased salad. My winnings will run the government for a day and an hour at best.

      • SSSD says:

        @Anon 5:18pm

        Life is a journey. The End State is always death. It is what you experience along the way that counts. Interim goals, such as degrees, promotions and wealth, are just steps that will make the next stage of the journey more enjoyable. Christmas toys serve their purpose in bringing joy and education to the kids.

        Likewise, the End State for a man and woman is always two deaths, to be buried separately or side by side, both eventually turning into dust anyway. It is the journey they share together that can bring them joy and sorrow, or perhaps even a new human life (or even a few). Sugaring is a form of dating, two lonely souls hoping to kindle something that is more than the sum of two, without promising each other the rest of life (no different from other forms of dating in that regard). It can bring joy and educational experience (improvement of interpersonal skills) to both when done right. For the SB, there is also material benefit that may help her educational or career goals. I tend to think of sugaring as “informal marriage 1.0” where each is prescribed certain commitments to the other and each is free to quit without encumbrance.

        Excellent verbal skills can be more profitably utilized for making the shared journeys more enjoyable, instead of futile attempt to inflict injury. Holding back one’s own sharp tongue is a useful skill both inside and outside the sugar bowl :-)

      • elaine says:

        Awwww, poor @Anon…

        Doesn’t know the difference between a private jet and a first class seat in an airliner!

        Must be hard to have to always travel as a flying rats ass in a cramped price- fighter coach seat… :-)

    • Admirer says:

      Every possible topic in the sugar world has already been discussed here. They just cannot think of a new one.

      Maybe we should give them suggestions. Anyone?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        We have a very good one straight from the blog actually ” How to handle being a baby when you’ve got babies” Do’s and Don’ts to navigating the sugar bowl when you’re a single mother.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Thought of another “Ladies First” Tips and tricks to initiating the conversation.

      • Anonymous says:

        How about the most difficult and sought after one? “How to secure an SD in paying tuition to a young lady?”

      • Jaybird923 says:

        “An offer from a gentleman” How to handle request for intimacy on the first meet

      • Jaybird923 says:

        “Taming Strange” Top five toys guaranteed to make her purr lol

      • Jaybird923 says:

        “Jacking his beanstalk” Three moves guaranteed to drive him wild lol

  53. Anonymous says:

    JJandTASH are at Collage 😉

  54. Another anonymous says:

    @ Kimora

    As an Admirer already posted here, you are facing very long odds. How long? There are 8836 POT SBs ages 18 to 35 within 25 miles radius of Chicago. That is your competition.

    You are asking for moderate allowance and obviously you would like to have some nice dinners, occasional gift, some vaccations and high end entertainment from your SD. So altogether you are asking a guy to drop nearly 100k a year on his SB. That is nearly 200k in pretax income. Very few SDs are able and willing to do that. And out of them vast majority probably found one or more SBs already.

    Had I lived in Chicago my main concern in your profile would be the time. Your occupation is operations specialist, that sounds like a job with relatively strict time requirements, not like free lance food critic. And you have two children to spend time with. How much time and how much time flexibility can you provide to your SD? And remember you are looking for a guy making way north of 500k a year, he will be very busy.

    • SD says:

      If I am going to spend 200K/yr pre tax income on a SB, she better look like Kate Upton’s identical twin. She also pretty much has to live in my place full time at my beck and call 24/7. So unless you fall into that level of looks and demographics, you are delusional asking for that much.

      • Anonymous says:

        Kate Upton’s twin living at your house serving you 24/7 and being at your beck and call for moderate allowance. Yes I can see that happening.

      • TVC15 says:

        Don’t forget how grateful she’d have to be.

      • Josh says:

        Not all women are “discovered”. So $5,000/ month tax free plus perks can go a long way if the man uses some charm, and if it is NOT a strictly financial deal.

      • SD says:

        You call 200K/yr Moderate? You must live on the Planet Tumblr.

    • guest says:

      8836 isn’t competition. I find it increasingly odd why everything must be turned into some type if competitive sport here. First the site has a great many profiles that are abandoned so realistically that could be half or more. Then there are site fillers, your escorts, the scammers, the only online SB, the no sex ever + 5k to 10k allowance desires , the 4 SD rotation type ‘ the I’m late on rent , bf needs bail money, the junkie/ addict, the single mom with a kid planned next year with that same loser bf that can’t keep a job. I could go on but if you see all of that drama as competion then you’re clearly dating with lowered expectations mindset. There are of course that desire an allowance that you can’t afford or don’t want to provide.

  55. The delusion is real says:

    this site likes to portray the average sugar baby as young and sexy but all I get are the crazy single moms over the age of 35. unfortunately even that segment of the population is asking for a moderate expectation or above .

    • Sarah_Rose says:

      Not all 😉

    • The delusion is real vol.2 says:

      This site likes to portray the average sugar daddy as a 35 year old billionaire who will pay all your Harvard tuition and spoil you to death but all I get are old,fat, bald and broke guys who want $250 p4p. Unfortunately even that segment of the population is asking for intimacy and ‘fun times’.

      • elaine says:

        @Delusion

        ROFLMAO!

      • Anonymous says:

        You probably meant “Hermes” tuition? Harvard is an Ivy League University in Boston, MA.

      • The delusion is real vol.2 says:

        No I meant Harvard. Hermes is an high end luxury French fashion brand located in Paris, France. What I think you meant is herpes, a common STD.

      • The delusion is real says:

        big difference. billionaires are rare , hot women are not. there are millions of hot women .

      • rembodler says:

        You are absolutely right, my bad. You need your Herpes tuition. You probably do not have any decent health insurance.
        Unfortunately, even that segment of population expects substantial allowances and trips to Paris.

      • Anonymous says:

        Hot women are not rare? Someone has some very low standards lol.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Anonymous

        How many hot women are there in the world? How many billionaires? :-)

      • The delusion is real says:

        oh hats right my bad. every girl on here is not just your average girl. all of you. … lmfao

      • SD says:

        Tens of millions of hot women. There are about 150 billionaires. She obviously can’t do the math. Your chance of meeting a billionaire in your lifetime is 0.0000000000001%

      • Anonymous says:

        @Rembodler No I think she said you that you meant herpes, not hermes as you don’t know what that is.

      • The delusion is real vol.2 says:

        It all started with: This site likes to portray…
        Kids takes notes! I can sense some old fat SD buthurtness in the air.

      • The delusion is real says:

        I stated facts you stated emotional riff raff that’s the difference between us . I’m not a fat sd. however all you have to argue is an insult . I win

      • guest says:

        Hot women ARE rare. They average American women is a size 18. Plus thanks to Coca Cola and Nestle those poorer countries that were starving at one point are now fighting obesity and diabetes and losing! Even “curvy” has been taken over by any woman with rolls.

      • The delusion is real vol.2 says:

        Nope, you certainly haven’t been long enough in the bowl or blog to know that most SD’s are categorized as fat,bald and old and that’s ok.
        I only restated your exact same words in a totally opposite direction. Which was about the ideal arrangement of this site, wasn’t it? Now we all know the truth and reality is nowhere near the ideal.
        I think you are pretty butthurt otherwise you wouldn’t need to defend yourself.
        Can’t you read I am you but in vol.2?

      • Anonymous says:

        No. The average size for women in the US is 12-14. Women typically go up by 2-4 sizes after marriage, then 2-4 sizes after babies, then 2-4 sizes yet again after menopause. So a size 0 to a size 8 are all reasonable expectations for an SB in her early to mid-20’s, before her marriage.

    • Anonymous says:

      I have 5 pot SB dates lined up in the next two weeks. Two are solid 9s, two are solid 7s, and one is a 6. All college educated. I like the 6 the best so far, because we share the most common interests. Not sure what the quality issue is that people are ranting about.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Lets us know how many dates you actually have show up.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am getting a flake vibe from one of them already. I am hoping that at least 3 show up.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        I’l bet you go on 3. But two won’t look like their photos and one will be an escort 😀

      • Anonymous says:

        I am pretty good at vetting escorts, so I highly doubt one will be an escort. Very possible only 3 will show up, but I think at least one will be the person represented in her profile. I will keep everyone posted.

      • Anonymous says:

        Since when is a “6” or a “7” considered high-quality? These are girls you can date for “free”. Even this aside the quality issue is more about behaviour, not appearance.

        Out of those five POTs you have lined up, you will be extremely lucky if even one pans out.

        Correction:
        Unless you’re just looking to for an escort-type situation aka P2P, then you may end up with as many as 3 or 4 working out.

      • Bye Felicia says:

        One can typically date anyone of any physical caliber for free. That’s not the meat and potatoes of a SD/SB arrangement. If he feels more comfortable with the “6” and she’s going to be everything he needs in an arrangement, then that will be what works for him. I highly doubt there are a lot of women with traditional supermodel looks who would make superb SBs. Let’s be real.

    • guest says:

      You can message women in the age range you seek. I’m not sure why you’re responding to women you don’t even want.

  56. Anonymous says:

    By the way, without further adue… If you are ever bored on a Monday night, without a date, and I am not one to commercialize or care to solicit to one particular artist or mantra.

    However, Every time I watch “Super Store”, I think of this blog. It is Epic. It puts “The Office: to shame and it is so hysterical to me, that is it what each persona on the blog could be and looks like randomly. If we lost one persona, or didn’t gain more, well, we would just lose the whole episode.

    I presume Jay is our Team Leader that has common sense. I haven’t quite figure out who all the other characters here are yet, but I a working on it. Like, @ FunDude would be the hot guy that “screws” the marketing lady in the stock room, but I don’t know who would be the butch looking security woman who says he was taken advantage of yet. lmao.

    But, I am, working on it. Josh has to be the “rapper” that knocked up the girl who still works there, only because Senore “Dave” went away… besides, the guy is like a lame lover with lame rapping skills. I would claim “Josh”, as the iconic replacement, but I cant. Josh actually gives good advice when he is kind and not saying :f*U* with Dildo, that reminds me of a banker.

    You know, that (after he says that), hands over a foreclosure notice or a title to the land if you make him smile. Anywho, its funny and reminds me of you guys.. Awe, shucks.. I know, you just cant get this kinda love, just anywhere, you know. :)

  57. Jaybird923 says:

    Why won’t you people stick to the intimacy page and make my life easier. This page takes way too long to load. There’s a few interesting topics going on on that page. You’ll like it much better over there :-)

    • Admirer says:

      The gravitational force is too strong on this blog. It’s like a black hole. I knew what you were trying to do Jay and I even tried to help you but……..

    • Kimora22 says:

      @jaybird923 you are amazing! Thank you so for your advice! I opened up more on my profile got more detailed I’m still working on the pics! There is probably still some no no’s in it but I’m definitely more straight forward. So hopefully I get a better response. Thanks much again!

    • Kimora22 says:

      @jaybird923 how can I find your intimacy page?

  58. Anonymous says:

    Here is a message I got from an 18 year old girl out of my area…i wonder how many other people got the same exact message?

    Hey there! Looking for someone who is as pretty as she is smart, and will always make you smile? Well I’m your girl… No really I have been told that I in fact smile “too much” (like thats even a thing!) I’m only interested in online arrangements right now. While you might not be 110% interested in what I have to offer, at least let me explain why I’m here first. I’m currently committed to attending a college in the fall of 2016 which is $48,000 a year to study Computer Science. After deciding this was where I wanted to go (even though financially it wasn’t a real possibility), I worked hard to improve my ACT score from a 26, to a 31. The 31 gets me half tuition to the school, however $24,000 a year is still huge. So I figured, why not use my looks to help further my education? Due to the fact I’m still in high school, I am unable to work full time but I do work at least 26 hours a week, on top of school. I’m looking for a strictly online arrangement that will help me get some money to help pay for the other half of my tuition as well as my out of state fees. Nothing like the purses, shoes and jewels other girls are looking for. I can send you custom pictures and videos whenever you want them. In a boring meeting? Send me a message and I’ll make sure it’s not boring anymore! So while it may not be as good as the real thing, I can assure you, you won’t be disappointed in me :)

    Hope to hear back from you

    • Frank95 says:

      It’s probably some dude in Nigeria.

      • Rat says:

        Daz a cambot script. I’ve seen it before in chatrooms

      • Anonymous says:

        Well. I graduated before I ever turned 18 years old, but still.. That is a really good well written con as any I have ever heard. Besides, based on what I have experienced on the site, that is 50% of then men on the site. They WANT some platonic version of a “voice” that they can “textdoor neighbor”, with a positive voice and influence that is daily there to give them a boost in influence and encouragement with no “Debbie downer” associations and a female that will leave them elated that is also “sexy as fu**”.

        However, this can be found anywhere, it can be found with me, Kore, Jaybird, Miss. Lady, Elaine, and a slew of others I am forgetting. It is not like you cannot find us. Finding us is easy, keeping out attention based on your mannerisms (is what I personally would say) is the issue. Then again, I cannot speak for any other woman on the blog, or elsewhere for that matter, even if it sounds like I try to, that is far from the case.

        WE EACH BRING OUR OWN INTUITIVE AND UNIQUE PERSONALITY WITH SPONTANIETY THAT CANNOT BE BOTTLED.

        But, I have to still give it to her, she brands the sexual lure and confidence in a home run on peaking the SD intrigue on picks and sexual addiction that just might be real, if you ever get the rare opportunity to meet her in person. No?

      • Admirer says:

        Them Nigerian scammers are getting more eloquent, loquacious, convincing and verbose. The English as Second Language lessons are definitely paying off.

        But if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck…..

  59. Anonymous says:

    Some women on this siteY be hRd up for money based on poor circumstances they place themselves into based on 1) poor decisions 2) falling in love with men who can’t/won’t and have no intentions of fulfilling their obligations a.k.a paying child support.
    3.) The women who ride the financial wVe on men who provide for them like the stock exchange, thinking the bull will never have its
    last run on the market. 4.) women who are bored in their marriage by a man whom they were not sexually attracted to, to begin with, but financially were and played the man’s emotionsike a harp. 5) found a man who wantedove and sincerity in life and she saw a me ticket and he saw a puss train that would never run dry. 6) all the scenarios here and wen more (unmentioned) have never, ever, ever changed in the cycle. Nor have they changed for women. And their Re good women out there, even the ones in wheels othing, that have become bitter and are now laying the gAme, based on the game chucking them in last place (if they don’t play the game).

    But again and again and again….supposedly the “real” SD’s scream “vet. Vet, vet, and vet again.” But that is BS. Because sometimes the right decision that is made by who you are tryin to get is not even in the book of rules that you are comparing them against.

    No different than your competitors in business that would give anything in life to see you fail and fall flat on your face. They play to win. And if that means sming in your face abs sending a secret operative to make you have self doubt, make a bad decision Ans fall on your face, they will the be the first ones to pat you on your pat and say man, it happens to the best of us Conrad who I am winning over, while he counts his money and laugh behind me out back all the way to the bank.

    Some of you guys really need to wake the hell up and realize. Be true to you and the lady. If you and something real. The. Preseent real and stop your dam games. Stop saying you can only Afford 100 a week or month and the. When the women you really wanted ran off with a man that can bank roll her and you now call her a gold digger? Seriously? She wasn’t here so she could play uno or go-fish, in a cardboard box on the street. And none of you guys are here so you can find a crack whore with no teeth that is in a monetary thT finds sex as the ultimate sin known to man-kind.

    Get real, or get ready for a Pitiful avalanche.

    • Anonymous says:

      Whatever you are smokin…can I get some of that…?

      • Anonymous says:

        Tell Apple to “up their game”: on an iPhone that accepts slang, and old English and the urban dictionary and stops “autocorrecting my words from a latin-1800’s version-current text speech, and we will be in business. Every time I utilize any other “smart” phone besides an apple, my English is impeccable and only on Apple do I come across as a foreigner “fresh off the boat.”

        Apple.. (ah hem)…(Fingers like a phone to my ear), “Call me bro’s!” “

      • Rat says:

        That right there is more than just some autocorrect lol

    • guest says:

      I only read up to women in poor circumstances. When it comes to the economic fall out a few years back most people just didn’t realize how much this would change their options in life. Without these women the site would be a ghost town and the woman that were left would be able to pick and choose based on looks’ body type and allowance offered.

  60. Kimora22 says:

    Hi all I’m very new to this… My profile has been up about a month and I’m not getting messages from anyone real. Can someone take a look at my profile and tell me what I’m doing wrong! Thank you!

    • IHF2030 says:

      Methinks this should be interesting.

    • Admirer says:

      Your profile is fine but your potential target market is very, very small. The competition is very, very stiff.

      Uphill battle.

      • Kimora22 says:

        Thank you

      • Anonymous says:

        @ Kimora22

        Well, looky lou @ you.. You either got a “hello there beautiful” or Jay did.. Not sure.

        We all foam and froth at the mouth over Jay, that is just kind of a norm here. We just cant help ourselves.

        But, for you to get a looky lou hoo at you, (if so).. Well, congrats, my dear. :)

    • Jaybird923 says:

      You have a lot of unnecessary pictures and they are not the most flattering. You look a lot older than 30 in most of them. Better to have 2 or 3 really good ones than to have a lot mediocre ones.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ Kimora22

        Jay does give good advice. She provides it for free, where other bloggers on Instagram would make you pay a fee, at least, that is what many have started to solicit.

        I would definitely appreciate Jay’s advice, if I were you and be thankful she is critiquing you individually and personally with corrective criticism and not degrading.

        This used to be a place where we could all come freely and wander in and out. Such as, roam to and fro, and receive criticism, laughter…certainly when it called for it on all of our failures and our success stories. But it felt like family because even though it may have been criticism, someone along the lines would add an encouraging word and give examples and make the downfall a little bit more bearable in the end, in order to grab our boot straps and smile and even laugh with a glass of wine and go, no kidding, I AM hot and sexy.. “what a retard were they for thinking otherwise!”

      • Kimora22 says:

        Thank you! I appreciate it is there anything else you would recommend?

      • Kimora22 says:

        Thank you very much for viewing but I feel like it can’t be just about the pictures. I get tons of views but few messages. I message first and get no response from most and one person messaged back saying my lifestyle budget is too high for him. Do you think that could be a problem?

      • Kimora22 says:

        @jaybird923

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Kimora I haven’t done one of these in a while but here it goes. Yes pictures are important they give the SD an idea of who they’ll be meeting but what you have to say is equally important. And right now your profile leaves a lot to be desired.

        No need to put the disclaimer about fakes in your profile 1) if a person is a fake putting that isn’t going to stop them from messaging 2) It tells the non fake SDs that something must be wrong with you that they can’t see since no legitimate SDs are contacting you. No one wants what no one else wants.

        Your profile has very little personality and gives no real clue about yourself it’s very generic. I think you’re a little to old to be asking for a mentor find a way to rephrase it or remove it all together. In your what I’m looking for section a SD should read that and be able to see himself in that role right now I’m not really sure what you’re looking for. What would your Ideal SD be like, what would your ideal arrangement be like.Are you looking for a platonic only deal, etc. Also what do you plan to bring to the table why should a SD pick you over all the other women on the site. How would having you in his life benefit him? What makes you special?

        Think of your profile as a marketing tool it’s your opportunity to sale yourself to your potential customer base. Figure out who your target customer is and tailor your profile to appeal to him. Keep in mind that women far outnumber men on this site so no matter what everyone won’t end up with a SD. So you have to present a better product than your competition and right now I don’t think you’re doing that.

        I try not to advise people on what allowance range to pick but if you are consistently getting offers below that range or told you’re to high. You have a two choices 1) keep it the way it is and hope someone will come along who thinks you’re worth it and is willing to pay it. 2)Lower it to the next level and see if that affects the number of messages/offers you get. Hope this helps good luck

      • Anonymous says:

        @ Kimora22

        I don’t kknow if you past out, or what?

        But sincerely, advise is rarely given here anymore. The fact that Jay re-iterated advice that is in the blog journals/scrolls that will be archived and one day be gold, eh hemmm….

        You truly, without a shadow of a doubt, appreciate the fact hat jaybird who is sexy far past what men consider her “prime” and I sware, I don’t even think she is that “old”. Please listen, lend an ear, take heed, lean in-with your one good ear, honor and respect the advice she is genuinely voicing to your presence. It is sooo much the difference between a Fisker Karma and a Ford Pinto. A car on the road and the jalopy on 4 concrete blocks. Trying to give you a mental picture here dear. If you don’t know the makers, Google them, you will get a picture clear as day and then correlate that to @ Jay’s advice.

    • Frank95 says:

      Are you sending out messages yourself? It’s a competitive market, both ways, so being proactive is a good way to bring yourself to the notice of those you want to notice you.

      You don’t need to sound forward or needy to do this.

      • Kimora22 says:

        Hi yes I am sending messages… I wasn’t at first. One guy responded and said my lifestyle budget was too high and the other men just never responded.

      • Rat says:

        Plain as day kimora you’re just too average for moderate. try lowering the expectation to practical. then try adding in things you can offer that pretty girls cant like maybe monogamy or extra time or something

    • Anonymous says:

      Hello there beautiful

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Not happy about the fact that everyone didn’t mock her for asking for help like you thought they would, so you decided to show everyone what a “quality” Caucasian cat you are by doing it yourself? You’re a very sad and pathetic individual

    • Mura says:

      I’ll be brutally honest. It’s because you’re black and have two kids. Plus you’re in a Midwest city.

  61. Anonymous says:

    To the earlier comment this morning: the one about SB’s quality going down on the site.

    Well, gee. Forgive me for calling a spade a spade and for caring about my health, my life, the air that I breathe Andy longevity on this planet we call earth, when I am met with the following:

    Women inevitably need more $$& on order to pay for the scripts that their new found SD’swabw them with. Such as a yeast infection, crabs, gonerea, syphilis,
    A urinary tract infection, aids is the worst of diseases. No different than the man who has texted, called and emailed me for a year now. Only to finally tell me that since I was unwilling to be physical with him and much less French kiss nor have sex…gee, wonder why? I want to get know someone, yes. I don’t want to be a dn pen pal,
    Nor an oracle nor an ear toiaten to their constant non verbal communication of info that is fake at best (which means, it’s not real, lame as fudge, impersonal, and I can tell they are trying their hardest to scam me). No, I don’t just mean no, but I mean “hell no”.

    Only for the same guy to tell men “pray for him” that he can get a grip on his drinking and ducking every woman he can while he has known me and that w thinks I am the only one who really cares about him for more than his money. Dude, are you fuxking kidding me? You play this card on every woman that you encounter. It is your calling card. I aenEs you were warped from the get go. You also mass emailed me the same text 3 months later on the site and was an ignorant ass or drunk, bc you didn’t realize I was who you were already communicating with, so you spammed me (your original email). Wow…I was so not impressed.

    Further more. My response back was…why don’t you ask the baxkpage girls and the present women you are ducking down, to pray for you. Why don’t you read out to the ladie whom bills you presently pay and make moan or lack of moanage, to pray for you.

    Needless to say, I never have received a response back from him. Imagine that. Pigs can’t fly. Your a day nasty pig based on the oil and excess ooze that comes of you (like a Budweiser beer commercial that is screaming you are fake) where dude man, I’d rather pick up a stranger that is fine as (you know what) at a bar, than a LeaZe-a-zoid, cheAp-skate like you man, on a Sd site.

  62. TVC15 says:

    A goat and a tiger are in love! {http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/01/04/goat-survives-month-russian-tiger-enclosure-becomes-viral-hit/}

    • SSSD says:

      The male tiger is “in love” and the goat is the only living big mammal in his enclosure. He even gave up his own sleeping quarter to the goat, and guard the goat while the latter enjoys the “bed.”
      See 1:57 the tiger tries to sniff the goat’s ass, probably to check if the goat is in estrus. The goat must be giving off some kind of scent. Funny how the male territorial animals work. The goat has becone his “The One” just because it’s the only big warm animal there with him.

      The goat is taking full advantage of the quirk in order to survive.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ SSSD

        You do realize that scientists have been working on bestiality for the “un-conventional freaks” out there, that have far surpassed boredom of a dildo and a live human touch, or compassion even. And, are working on the creation of birthing a mixed bread with the humans that have sex with animals.

        That scientific avenue need, to have its own “intervention”, to keep its progress of the stem cells, or less any other future progress that the sickos could make, revolts me.

        So personally, no, I have no desire to watch one animal sniff another’s as$, nor anything in between for the so called “mating ritual” that is not between a male and female. Thanks for the un-enlightenment.

      • SSSD says:

        Did you watch the video that TVC brought? It’s G-rated. Transference, just like young ladies in their mid-20’s would start raising pets like dogs and cats when their maternity instincts kick in. I don’t think the tiger in this case is really trying to mate with the goat, but his instincts for providing for and caring for a tigress wandering into his territory is benefitting the goat.

      • SDaddy says:

        Also the Tiger is obviously well fed . If he weren’t the goat would be dinner. Talk about eating your girl.

      • TVC15 says:

        On one site I read that the goat actually chased the tiger out of his bed and the tiger just accepted it.

        The goat does not think of itself as prey, and does not act like prey, so is not treated like prey.

        Interesting.

  63. Frank95 says:

    I hate you TV. Grrrrrrrt!

  64. Frank95 says:

    Time was when a sugar baby was someone who was going out with a very much older man. Who knew him well, and who had a substantial income from that relationship, and it was long term.

    Young guys who expect to be anonymous, pay peanuts, and short term pump and dumpers, are not sugar daddies. They are the other side of the coin of the entitled princess. They are entitled to their opinions, but they both are acting out of a big sense of entitlement.

    Post 3333…half the Koran right here.

    • TVC15 says:

      3334, actually. Sorry. :)

    • Josh says:

      Are you a Koranvangelist now?

    • guest says:

      Actually the old time sugar relationship only involved sex after years of gifts as the man in question was trying to woo this younger lady. If he attempted to approach her before that then he was viewed as either creepy, crazy or inappropriate. This was also the time that women felt obligated to sleep with men because he did something nice obviously way before the ” I’ll pay for my own meal” feminist movement.

      • Andy says:

        Yes but that was long before the internet. That time the pool was far more limited for both sides. Now the pool of traditional SD’s are even smaller but the pool of women ready to fuck for money has exploded. More open sexual norms also play a huge role here. I hate to admit it but no girl can really hold my attention past a few meets. Even those that are good in bed. I guess the variety and the chase are far more fun for me than anything else. I am sure there are a lot of other men who feel the same. We have a candy store with unlimited candy all for a price. We cant just stop with one lollipop!

      • TVC15 says:

        “This was also the time that women felt obligated to sleep with men because he did something nice”

        They most certainly did not. The rule was that the man had no right to expect anything in return except the pleasure of her company.

      • TVC15 says:

        “no girl can really hold my attention past a few meets”

        This is one of the reasons I won’t go for pay for play.

  65. Josh says:

    I like @Jay’s suggestion to go to the intimacy page to get better response time.

  66. TVC15 says:

    Anybody recall the discussion a few weeks back on body piercing and tattoos, where I said scarification and dermal implants would be the new trends among SBs of the future?

    Well, here it comes: {http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3384233/Woman-skin-cut-scalpel-PEELED-growing-scarification-trend.html}

  67. With a Bow on Top says:

    The perfect mistress…hmm SA tell me where that unicorn is.

    {http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/10/11/2B3E7FB300000578-3192036-image-m-26_1439201747420.jpg}

  68. Promise says:

    This article is pretty nice.

  69. guest says:

    So my inbox filled up with alot of interest but it appears to be all of the extremes. Either it’s the I’m 60+ and I’m here to find a girlfriend or “friend where she’s just ooh so happy to drive 4 hrs to hang out sans allowance” or it’s the ” 500 per meet ” be my fantasy” or copy paste spamming to collect numbers or email before I close my account and chargeback the membership fee. I can’t say that I’m surprised as the diversity in the area is rather slim which is why I don’t regular date here.

    I’m pleased to read Caitlyn’s experience and hope for her continued success with her Daddy.

    • SDaddy says:

      $500/meet = $2000 /month (weekly visits) = $24,000 /Yr

      Too petty cash for you Ms Guest ? If you can get $500/Pop you should go for it .

      • Anonymous says:

        Maybe you should judging others. How do you know there are weekly visits, how do you know what she looks like, how do you know she’s not opposed to p4p?

      • guest says:

        The $500 per meet isn’t something I’ve had and based on the copy paste message with details that didn’t match my profile, I gather this individual was seeking an escort style roll call. None of my arrangements were like this and there’s a pretty good chance he was looking for a one time situation. Also he added that he wanted me to see this as dirty and wrong as that would be fun for him.He also added that he wants to do his “dirty” and ” wrong” at my place. So there was nothing about his offer that sounded positive or pleasing. $500 to be treated like garbage
        is of no interest to me.

        It was also clear that he’s attempting to collect emails so he can save himself the membership fee. Nothing in that exchange screams SD.

      • SDaddy says:

        Well ,if the guy is a shit ball I agree that no money is worth it . I’m talking about a good candidate.

      • guest says:

        I have yet to have a ” good candidate” offer play 4 pay.Any contact that has offered play 4 pay has been trash. It is what it is.

      • TVC15 says:

        I wouldn’t say that everyone who’s offered it has been trash. But it has caused my interest in them to drop off dramatically.

      • guest says:

        @ TV

        I’m referring to the ones that have approached me. Many offer $500 but can’t afford a nice play to meet. Others try the $300 with a hotel that they can get a discount from using their AARP card. Yeah no thanks. So trash and trashy is my personal experience. I just can’t even talk to them as my skin starts to crawl.

  70. problem is says:

    ‘Bad Boyz’ gotta be bad!!! $88M lottery winner has bailed out her boyfriend and already lost up to $2.1M in lost bonds and is liable for an additional forfeiture of upwards of $2M more if he fails to show or violates his current bond agreement! But damn he is good!!!

    • problem is says:

      Oh…. wait for it…. wait for it….. he is aka ‘Hot Sauce’

      • Anonymous says:

        But you have to remember that “2 million dollars isn’t much of anything”

      • Anonymous says:

        After bailing him out, he committed another crime and she had to pay an additional $12 million in bail to get him out a second time. That is either true love or his dick must be 12 inches long. What woman would spend 14 M dollars bailing out a BF? He must be one of these super duper X-Box players at home.

      • problem is says:

        Genius,, $12M is the Court decreed bond and Bail Bonds require 10% cash award to post; which was included in original $2.1M expenditure. okie?

      • Anonymous says:

        2.1 million is a pretty hefty expenditure. 12 million decreed bond is usually reserved for heinous crimes.
        How many murders did he commit?

  71. problem is says:

    Figures that sa would work to abandon this blog with all the caustic bullshit that been going on, and purposely steer it towards “Let’s Talk”. The blog is considered an asset to pay dividends, which this has not been performing latley. Such it is

  72. caitlyn says:

    I have to say, when wanting to become a Sugar Baby when I finally turned 18 – I did a lot of reading up on the subject beforehand – including these blogs. So I had a fairly realistic idea of what to expect.

    First of all, I wasn’t going to find some SD that was 30 years old, looked like Leonardo DiCaprio, and would shower me with thousands of dollars just for being seen with him. My Daddy is 51, bald and fat. But he’s also quite rich – which is the main thing. 😉

    But I also knew my own worth – I’m young and hot. Not to sound vain, but I was the most sought after girl in my school. So I wasn’t going to settle for some Salt Daddy who thinks a couple hundred dollars is a generous allowance.

    As far as being under 21 – while it’s true my Daddy and I can’t go out to a club for drinks (not that at 51 he still goes clubbing) – the fact that I’m only 18 was a big selling point. My Daddy *loves* that I’m barely legal. (Let’s just say naughty school girl outfits, lollipops, and teddy bears figure a lot in our play.)

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      Caitlyn, keep in mind being the “most sought after girl” is a dime a dozen on SA. You need to have a personality that is sought after. Looks fade. A great personality that is captivating is what will aid in finding a great Sugar Daddy.

      • SD says:

        Next year you will be 19, and a whole crop of 18 year olds will be joining SA. You are only 18 for one year. Rich is forever. That is the reality of the sugar world. Girls like you are so replaceable. Multi millionaires OTOH do not grow on trees.

      • SDaddy says:

        Congratulations @Caitlyn ,

        It’s good to hear a success story . How much allowance are you making ? Success is what makes you happy but it will be good to hear about your situation .

      • SDaddy says:

        At 18 ,if she takes good care of herself she will be hot for a good 10 more years . There is a lot a mileage left in this young lady. Whatever allowance she admits to is a real life story and not just BS from a blog Princess. (assuming she is truthful about it )

      • Frank95 says:

        WaBoT,

        It could well be that part of the reason that caitlyn was the most sought after in school was that she was much more than a pretty face. :)

        Even at school there are guys who seek women for more than looks, and women who are sought-after because they have a lot beyond that.

        In caitlyn’s case, a simple application of common sense: knowing what she wanted, and doing background research has enabled her to avoid the “pay em peanuts, pump ’em and dump ’em” crowd of entitled young guys.

        With good management, caitlyn will be a millionairess by 30, and will be able to hire as many male bimbos as she figures she needs. 😉

      • guest says:

        Actually I disagree somewhat. Sure looks fade but not by much in 5 years. She has a great SD so she’s doing something right. All of the personality in the world will not attract most SDs if you don’t have the looks to match. It just the way it is. Apparently she is also the most sought after girl after high school.

    • noname says:

      caitlyn your doing what works for you thats what sugar is all about i wish you continued suceess in the sugar world nice post

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      It sounds like your Daddy Dom treats you well and you are satisfied with your arrangement. I’m happy for you and your success. :-)

    • Josh says:

      @caitlyn

      I hope that you are getting an allowance that meets your financial requirements. Yours is the kind of attitude we need in the sugar space.

      That is, to be flexible with SDs as long as your primary needs are met. That way we will have more satisfied SDs.

    • Rat says:

      lol you even used the name “caitlyn”. I see what you did there 😉

    • FatB'StardSA says:

      @Caitlyn

      It would seem the worth of the most desirable girl in school is a 51 year old fat and bald SD. How rich is your SD?

      Did he show you his bank account as @Frank95 recommended?

      • Anonymous says:

        Frank also recommended a “contract” to be drafted by his army of lawyers. Because if you are a legit SD, you do that shit. If you don’t have a plethora of lawyers backing up your sugar activities, then you are a fake loser pretender wanna be. So Caitlyn, was there a notary present when you signed your contract?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        1 you guys are always complaining about girls unrealistic expectations and how they all want a young prince charming. You have one young lady come here and is honest about her SD and you take it as an opportunity to try and make her feel inferior by trying to imply she couldn’t do better. The reality is the majority of the men who have the means to pay thousands instead of hundreds are older and out of shape to some degree.

        2 frank never said anyone needed a contract. Some one asked how you could guarantee a SB would stick around if you fronted them tuition money. And he said to set it up like personal loan (which is legally binding) and deduct her allowance from it every month that she sticks around. Not that hard to understand

    • Antoine says:

      Caitlin, how do you feel with your allowance. Kinda hard for 18 year old to hide large sums of $$$

  73. ImSoFancee says:

    Guy from the other night called me at 1 am tonight and said he had diarea so that’s why he left and wanted to come over but I said no because we have a real bad roach infestation right now.

  74. With a Bow on Top says:

    I did have a POT date tonight. Very last minute. He actually scheduled it for Thursday then switched it to earlier tonight. Obviously reasoning was “tonight worked better for him considering his schedule “. I showed up early he showed up on time. Had drinks at the local hotel for about and hour and a half and talked.
    Then closed out and moved over to dinner at an Italian restaurant for a quick dinner and dessert. Turned into a 3.5-4 hour date. No lewd conversation. Lots of giggles lots of smiles. Very nice gentleman. No discussion of allowances. Light flirting. Just a nice meet & greet.
    No one ever really discusses their actual dates/meet and greets in a positive light. So there we go a little positivity for the forum. Will it turn into anything who knows? But, I do believe there are a few key ingredients for a good meet and greet.

    1. SHOW UP
    2. SHOW UP ON TIME
    3. DRESS ACCORDINGLY
    4. GET TO KNOW YOUR POT
    5. KEEP YOUR POT INTERESTED
    6. NO DISCUSSION OF MONEY
    7. NO DISCUSSION OF SEX
    8. REPEAT 6 & 7

    • noname says:

      tes thats how it works pretty simple isn’t it

      • noname says:

        yes not tes still drinking my coffee

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        The crazier part @noname is that 1 and 2 are the hardest to accomplish.

      • noname says:

        i agree bow on top ive been doing this for a while i just accept this as normal not a good way to impress someone

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        If I was an SD I’d look at all meet and greets like job interviews. People don’t get hired for showing up late. People don’t get hired when they don’t show up at all. If you’re serious about being a Sugar Baby then you should respect a POTs time. No second chances. It should never be normal to waste anyones time. That should never be the norm. That should never be okay.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        10 minutes after the scheduled meeting time without any text or phone call. I’d leave. If she showed up after I left. I’d tell her “Sorry not interested anymore”

      • noname says:

        bow on the top if a sb is a no show shes fired thats a given if they are late and have a good reason and we get along great after that i give her a chance but my first choice are those that show up on time that shows me they want the arrangement

      • Jaybird923 says:

        LoL In that case I wouldn’t be with my SD. I’m almost always late but I always let him know and plus he knows better then to show up early. It’s sort of a inside joke for us now. 10:30 jay time :-)) but sound advice don’t show up late

      • elaine says:

        @WaBoT

        “If you’re serious about being a Sugar Baby”

        I think that is the clue a lot of SBs still haven’t got.
        Taking it serious will make the difference between failing or being succesful in sugar.

        No matter what your weight, your race, your age or your haircolour!

    • SDaddy says:

      Nice @ WABOT

      That’s as it should be . Even if no arrangement is done it was a nice time .

      I arrive early at the M&G to see my POT. I want to see if she comes alone or with observers,what she drives ,how she looks . I always meet them even if they are obviously not as advertised .

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        He’s never had a sugar baby before but has gone through all the turmoil of dealing with Seeking Arrangements that most of us have. Minus the Rinsers. He’s only been on 4 dates… myself included. He still has a bit of faith it seems. So we shall see.

      • guest says:

        I disagree. It’s an arrangement site specifically for those that are seeking arrangements. Being pulled around to dinner places to be “seen out” and used as just arm candy is a misuse of 5 hrs of time. This pretty much goes for any dating site as men that tend to be younger and more attractive complain about being used for ” meals”. As men age and the age gap between the women they desire increases, free dinner offers come left and right as if they’re so desperate for anyone to be anywhere with them. So realistically any woman that wanted a week of free meals only has to sign up on a basic dating site and state she only dates men over 50. Honestly I have no interest in dedicating 35 hrs a week listening to a bunch of fakes talk my ear off. As it”s been posted a few will show up , not pay for the meal because their true intentions were less than reasonable. Thankfully I haven’t walked into a situation like this which is why I stress talking by phone. I just saved myself this week from posting a horror date.

        Another I caught in a lie and just when he realized his fumble he scurried off of the phone with an excuse if ” call you in 30″. Five seconds later I receive “send me pic” which is a nice way of hitting ” block”.

    • guest says:

      Do you have a SD?? If not your advice really falls on deaf ears. All I read was that you spent 5hrs on a date with a much older man. There’s nothing wrong with this as there are many men here that really just want to be seen out with a younger woman on their arm. Problem is that this date doesn’t make him a SD but just someone’s daddy.

      Personally I wouldn’t sit 5hrs with someone that hasn’t touched on reading my profile and gives me the “allowance is reasonable” vibe.

      In my personal experience on this site for every serious SD there are 20 hoping that that dinner and drinks will be enough to woo you into much more. Typically I find out early when I ask them why rhey joined the site and what they’re seeking in an arrangement. I’ve gotten a few changes in conversation and the ” let me talk about work for 30 mins straight”. Eventually it comes out when they blirt out ” there are escorts here” in an attempt to create discomfort or shame around allowance discussions. Last is the ” ohh I didn’t see anything about allowance here” when we all know you can’t update your page without one. If that doesn’t work the fake will throw in a ” ghee wilikers did you know women are here for money?”. That’s when I ask so…how is your success rate with women 40 years your junior on Match or what about OKCupid? Riight so umm good luck with t

      • Andy says:

        You would be surprised at how many girls are happy to hop into bed after a nice dinner and drinks and conversation. They are used to hooking up with loser frat guys after a McDonalds meal they paid half for. Why not be treated nicely for a change? If the older guy is not unattractive and charming then why not? Ive had so many girls sleep with me first with no discussion of allowance or any other monetary compensation. Sometimes I do end up helping them but sometimes all they want is a good time. There are real non gold digging women on here who want to meet a nice well off guy instead of the normal losers they usually date. They probably dont post on this blog though!

      • TVC15 says:

        “for every serious SD there are 20 hoping that that dinner and drinks will be enough to woo you into much more.”

        +1

        “Typically I find out early when I ask them why rhey joined the site and what they’re seeking in an arrangement.”

        I never, ever push the point. If they want to bed me on the strength of dinner and drinks, let them try. If they wonder why they don’t get anywhere, let them give their heads a shake. They know perfectly well what site we met on, and they know women on this site generally expect financial help. If they want to date me but avoid starting that conversation, that’s fine: I’ll just let them keep on feeding me and not getting anywhere.

      • guest says:

        Not with an fat 65 year old. We’re talking reality here. That dinner and drinks hook up happens to the 30-40 crowd in reasonable shape like Fun Dude. The problem is most 55+ types comntact you on regular dating sites ALWAYS offering dinner. They gey turned down 99% of the time or the woman that does show up tries to run out when her belly is full.

      • TVC15 says:

        If I weren’t at least moderately attracted to the guy, I wouldn’t be at dinner in the first place. So I don’t mind. He eventually does, though. :)

  75. Jerome says:

    How pathetic are we all!

  76. Anonynous says:

    SA should only allow verified members to post on this blog.

  77. Anonymous says:

    Why do SD discriminate on black women??

    • IHF2030 says:

      Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa, what a question.

    • Anonynous says:

      SD doesn’t discriminate against black women. In general, people tend to date within their own race. In the sugar community there’s way more white sugar daddies than any other race.

    • SD says:

      What are you talking about? When my search comes back I don’t see any black women in there. There are no black SB’s here.

      • Anonynous says:

        You’re right. There are very few sbs here that are black.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Lols and I guess @jaybird, @byefelicia, and I are just invisible. Ha.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Wabot I think that they are making fun of how many black women are intentionally selecting different races and ethnicities instead of black. They choose other, mixed ,and Pacific islander and believe it or not Asian. They think it increase their chances but just makes them look stupid and dishonest.

      • Anonymous says:

        If you deslect black, other, mixed from search criteria then they will not show up.

  78. Anonymous says:

    That is what a good Sb gets you. SHe tells your old lady that she is crazy as hell, and acts crazy as hell at her, tells her, her husband is gay and makes up all crazy shit like a lunatic and hangs up on your wife, to wehere she is f’ ing dumbfounded and calls once a month, trying to figurte out who the hell you are, obsessed over you and continues and eventually, bc your SB didn’t even know you were even married, decides to cover your sorry ass and carry you further than you damn sure ever carried her, and change her number. When in reality, she wants to drop you on your ass.

    Good thing she is a Christian. Otherwise, your ass would be grass with a backpage chick or a money hungry women. Damn, you men really need to vet and realize wtf you have in the good ones, bc the money hungry ones could ruin you. Glad I get bored quickly and think yall are all crazy as sin and ignore all the stupidity and drama and laugh,. roll my eyes, call your good game and say “I got played” and change my number. Imagine if I didn’t have a heart. SMH.

    • Anonymous says:

      meaning I say.. I got this number, it is new. I don’t know, what if the number used to be a mans? Are you sure your husband is not gay? oh my god, what if he is? Hello? are you there? are you ok? oh my, I am so sorry to hear he might be bi> WHo were you looking for again? … Oh, I have no idea who that is, I just got this phone number, it is new. Are you ok? Well, I gotta go, good luck to you, I wish you the best.

      Bammmmm…….

  79. Anonymous says:

    New Blog: Picture it: Sicily 1812. (Golden girls moment) that was before my time, but I sware that old lady made an impression. hahaaa. Nothing like old school people to make you perk an ear up for no reason nor understanding at all , expect you and I both think they are crazy as hell. Then, you learn they had to be hip bc apparently they were drug related before you ever knew what a drug was (Cosby, I wish you the best man).

    But, ther eis a difference from this web page, to a SA web oage and a human interaction, so you think, and after so many intervals of no human interaction after the cfyber talk, the women and men will bail and you better be leaning on a wing and a prayer, if you think the site can sustain itself this wayt without real interaction that is more than what it is.

    And I mean more than my exes old lady blowing my phone up monthky for months now, bc —surprise *itch, he changed on you and I just did too, bc I don’t have to answer and ignore your ass no more telling you that you are crazy as hell and have the wrong number, I just vanished, along with my info and my name, #ghost. I don’t have time for this bull shyte.

    love it or lose it. # laters.

    • Anonymous says:

      @ Anon

      Just shut it… You are so going to use my tactics. Fuxck off, I know I am gold and I don’t need your site or your: “limpy dimple do” to prove it to me. Take a number and get in line.

  80. Jaybird923 says:

    Even on a computer this page takes way to long to load. I’d suggest we move to the when to bring up intimacy page since there’s only 600+ post but no one ever does. Hopefully we get a new blog tomorrow

  81. Anonymous says:

    NO, IT IS REAL! and I am bawling and crying incessantly. The caliber has fallen far elow deck of a ship that apparently everyone expects to keep swabin, while I am sailin. I am with you @ Rembodler.

    Sometimes, it is back to the drawing board with these low caliber scribblers. you got to baby step the oysters to a pearl, and then, sometimes, I would rather the ocean takes its time and let them learn on their own on how to open their pearly whites, all on their own.

    Water trodden and marked already by time, I am exhausted on how to teach something that only time can or experience.

  82. rembodler says:

    I got the impression (after checking SA in my area for a couple of weeks) that the SB quality went down drastically in my area. Truth be told, I have a… shall we say, a little black book…so I can just go back to my old friends if I want. But until recently I was always (always!) able to add someone new to the mix…but this time it is an absolute disappointing no-go.
    Just wondering if anyone had a similar experience or this is just a one off?

    • Anonymous says:

      No, I have the same “problem” over here. The quality of SBs has gone way down.

    • Fundude says:

      I think that is a consensus opinion among SDs on here. Never heard them saying the level was going up.

      Consistently, everyone says its going down due to insane entitlement issues.

    • Anonynous says:

      The quality of sugar babies have went down since sa let h00kers, pros, and sugar babies 50lbs overweight who put state their body type as being average or athletic. Most sugar babies’ attitude and expectations are unattractive too, especially the new ones looking to get rich in a month or two and demanding lots of ca$h.

  83. Anonymous says:

    By the way… If you start watching “special” people… Some call them: “gifted”, most call them “special” and no doubt, they are and should be researched more. But if you ever can slow down to take conscious note of peoples spelling errors in conversation, such as “or”, “ore”, etc..

    You actually find from watching the “giftd: that you can find out where they mind is focused and your center point versus their words and correct contectual content. You wouldn’t know this, if you are are not a wordsmith, a linguistic, have a “special” child, or are an adult one, yourself. But having the knowledge base based on your dynamical studies or experience, you actually begin to learn the hidden language and intent of what their words say versus where their mind is. The only point of reference is where their mind IS, because that is where they are actually going and that, in a shor synopsis and verbal phrase, already shows you their vision, even when they refused to share it with you. Look, here is another avenue of an investment worth making. No worries, billions are lumped into this governmental fund yearly with no solutions and only the answers that are published that the advertisers and the ones to reap financial rewards are invested in. Either that, or he had his dick hard and only had a block of a circumference to work, like a hooker on call, until his wife called.

    Like a Saturday night special, or a, Saturday night Live episode, you tell me.

  84. PrincessLalla says:

    Are SDs typically hesitant of the younger SBs?

    • IHF2030 says:

      I would only be hesitant about getting involved with a sugar baby too young to legally go into a bar and have a drink.

    • Frank95 says:

      It’s not so much hesitant as much as that demographic tends to have a high percentage of “flakes”. They start off enthusiastic, promise to meet up, then go dark in more cases than women even just a few years older. Or, they say they want a reasonable allowance, which means a guy who is a lot older, but in reality are just looking for a young fun dude for the night and $100 on the night stand.

    • Fundude says:

      Not at all.

      We like the younger ladies

    • Anonymous says:

      Some of us are now because of having been put to sleep so often by them.

    • William says:

      30 and under. I do not want to sugar my daughter’s friends so to speak.

    • elaine says:

      No.
      They are hestitant for SBs who call themselves “princesses”…

    • Jaybird923 says:

      You’ll notice that the only who has no hesitation is the only one who is not a SD. Instead of saying I like younger ladies he decided to speak for e everyone with the royal We…

      • elaine says:

        Hey @Jay, by now you should know there is only ONE truth on this blog.

        The valuable opinion of our SD expert, the one and only;
        … @Fundumb!

    • Anonymous says:

      I don’t approach SBs that are under 24. I am 49 and half my age is my lower limit.

    • Dav9s says:

      I would never speak for anyone else, and I am sure everyone has their own individual prerequisites, but for me age can be a pro but not a con. There are some traits that are important to me that might be considered deal breakers that may matter less to others, such as a wide difference in expectations, etc., but with all things being equal, including relative maturity that I think is a bit part of compatibility, then a young age to me is a very good thing.

  85. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Baby says:
    “…As a student of law, I believe something in the lines of a contract can be made…”

    I can see a set of circumstances where the lawyer who put that together could be disbarred using something like 8.4 While the risk is probably small, the consequences are…dire. Is it really worth it?
    A disclaimer: Not a lawyer, just stayed in Holiday Inn last night.

  86. Anonymous says:

    They are starving, lmao, while their so called distant “SD’s” ore like “sugar sellers of want not, tell them of all the puss he/they/him//it are hitting, and have conquered, while they ask for prayer.

    Errrkkk, screech, brakes on and psycho (byotch)miss… 24/7, the per hour in advance (based on consumer reports) special is back.

    So, I put my hands up in the air, to watch him gloat and bask in “glory”? lmao,

    My bad, let me flip this beautiful script. I now delight in him begging on his knees, while I have a whip specifically made to fit my hand grip of precision and watch the man flitch. Oh yeah… I think a wee bit of Dave just rubbed off on me and I like it. Hats off to you, wherever you may be.

    EGO SOFT? OHHHH, NOT NOW, AND NEVER AGAIN.

    1.) Adherence to manners, check.
    2.) Adherence to self, check.
    3.) Ollie all in oxen free, you better look hard from here on our to find me, check.
    4.) Lets see, Theaters might employ better actors and opulent sets…Nope, cant be accomplished with accurate vision without me, check.
    5.) All that is left is a lame variation that cant sell a 1 cent post nor a postage stamp, check.
    6.) Their conduct has reached a new low that called them out months ago, even in their deluded denial, check.
    7.) Hot sex on a platter and lucidity takes center stage, check.

  87. Anonymous says:

    Whoot.Whoot!

    Better start paying your non-paid staff that are starving on your site.

    • Anonymous says:

      They will pay them about $100 per month since they always offer $300 for a tv appearance and consider that a good chunk of money.

  88. noname says:

    3200 wow amazing

  89. Anonymous says:

    Maybe we should propose to see what the moderators and writers of the blogs can come up with for the tuition payment? A new blog is needed.

  90. Anonymous says:

    Are they still trying to make Let’s talk sugar happen?

  91. Josh says:

    ‘Tis time for a new blog page. Just use stock photo of a hot chick and use the following text for the “article”:

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

  92. Josh says:

    The prize goes to @FunDude, with a good number of “honorable” mentions.

  93. Jaybird923 says:

    Yay! Where do I collect my prize?

  94. TVC15 says:

    Young People Used These Absurd Little Cards to Get Laid in the 19th Century: {http://bit.ly/1n4Xmc4}

    • SDaddy says:

      @Lexi
      Asked and answered

      Save up ahead of time . Nobody sane will give you the tuition up front. i.e. I would offer you $1000/month for weekly visits ,paid weekly until some level of trust is built between us –say,um ,2 or 3 years . So do the Math . $1000/month x 6 will pay most public University Tuition for a semester. Voila’ ! If you are inclined to be a Ho ,you can collect several SDs and charge $250 /meet-say X 6 Daddies . You will be busy girl but you will collect $1500/week. Tuition will be covered in a flash. But you might flunk out since you will be out every night -and perhaps some days .

      • Admirer says:

        Is the advertising cost for her BackPage ad tax deductible?

      • Anonymous says:

        Where did you get that 1k number? She’s 18 so if she’s slim and attractive, she’s most definitely on the top of all these other SB’s.
        This is a load of bullshit. Save up for 2-3 years on 1k and hope for the best, that maybe then and only then you can be admitted again into that same university.
        Your idiocy is abnormal.

      • SDaddy says:

        $1000/month is the going rate for most Sugar contracts. That works out to about $250/hour plus benefits(dinner,drinks ,etc) So you think you are worth more than that ? Last time I looked most Drs these days and lawyers are not making that kind of money .

      • elaine says:

        @SDdaddy

        May I ask how you arrive at $250 per hour for a monthly allowance of $1000 with 4 meets?

        So each meet , including dinner, drinks etc, last 1 hour?

      • guest says:

        Yes she’ll be a busy girl alright sleeping with you and 5 others.

  95. Lexi says:

    I am also freshly 18 and worrying about tuition. How do you even go about finding a sugar daddy for something like this? It seems men are very hesitant about making such a huge commitment understandably so. Is there some solution that could show a SD that you won’t run off with his money? I want a SD that will trust that I am going to honor my commitment as well. Do contracts work possibly?

    • TVC15 says:

      A sugar contract would never be legally enforceable.

      • Admirer says:

        No SD would sign a legal document tying him to the sugar world especially if he is married. The blackmail potential of such a contract is priceless. If you depend on sugar for 100% of your tuition, it better be a short semester.

    • Anonymous says:

      take some time to develop trust. Agree to pay-for-play for a month or so or only ask for half upfront. Show genuine interest in him. Text or email him first once in a while. Send him a cute flirty pic and say you were thinking of him…. but despite all this, no sugar, no honey :)

    • Kore says:

      I’m pretty sure that if you had any kind of contract, you’d have to able to afford someone who carries out the consequences of it being broken. 😉

      Just be careful like they are. Trust is something mutual.

    • Frank95 says:

      While a sugar contract would be unenforceable and extremely indiscreet even if it was, a legally enforcable loan would be possible. Drawn up by a lawyer, and with a high interest rate, it would be in the SBs interest to, cough, “pay it down” as quickly as possible. If the SB didn’t “pay it down”, the SD would have a very nice accumulated lump sum to garnish a new graduate’s wages with.

      It’s not any more complicated than taking a loan for a car.

      • Admirer says:

        And how would she “pay it down” in the contract? Specifying the X number of blowjobs per month? The Y number of anal sex per month? Please enlighten us with your legalese on the nuances of such an enforceable loan?

      • @FatB'StardSA says:

        Garnish the wages of a new liberal arts graduate…

        The quality of advice from these “real” SD’s is quite high it seems!

      • Admirer says:

        What would a typical liberal arts graduate say in her fresh out of graduation job?

        “Would you like fries with that”?

      • TVC15 says:

        That’s a very original joke for someone who didn’t study creative writing, Admirer. Did you make it up yourself?

      • WTF says:

        hahaha @admirer, @ fatB ….that was funny

      • Anonymous says:

        @Frank

        Are you officially senile or just practicing it just in case?

      • noname says:

        interesting concept frank what is the collatoral for this loan

      • Admirer says:

        The loan collateral is 3 holes.

        Use your imagination.

      • noname says:

        admirer have you taken a loan out on 3 holes this whole post is a joke

      • Anonymous says:

        @admirer

        I have a great page recommended for you. Try it now and you get a 50% discount and 30% off the std probablity: bp.com

      • Anonymous says:

        If you cannot get young women 20-30 years your junior without going into such lengths then what can I say.

        Just like marriage, there is NOTHING in the suggest contract for the man.

    • Frank95 says:

      Lexi, As you can see by the comments here, some guys really aren’t in the league you are looking for.

      If you get a SD who actually has money, then he will use lawyers all the time for various things that the wannabes can’t even conceive.

      Just use the filters to exclude young guys who can’t possibly have the money, or who get it cheap because they are young. Then concentrate on those who can provide what you need. A real SD will be able to get the lawyering done.

      • Anonymous says:

        You have no freaking clue what “league” @Lexi is in before trying to give her high interest loan.

      • Admirer says:

        So your lawyer is technically your pimp?

      • Anonymous says:

        “Just use the filters to exclude young guys who can’t possibly have the money…”

        This is so ignorant as to come from someone who does not mingle amongst the wealthy.

    • Anonymous Baby says:

      As a student of law, I believe something in the lines of a contract can be made, though it’s not what I would personally advocate for, since it’s illegal.
      The solution I would propose is making a work contract, for the amount of time you both agree to make it, and for a prepaid loan given from him to you, specifying the details of it, and that can be a camouflage for him to continue giving out the money, each month, while disguising it as payment, while it definitely can be broken, but with good reasons, which obviously the employer would have to shell out, so you’d have to actually keep your end of the bargain, or the amount would stop flowing, or would be removed.

      • TVC15 says:

        Study hard.

      • Anonymous Baby says:

        Well, at least I am studying. Can’t say the same…

      • TVC15 says:

        You sure do know a lot.

      • Anonymous Baby says:

        I try.

      • Anonymous says:

        No, there is fault in this to the detriment of the SB, legally. The way it is stated it could potentially leave the SD with the ability to take legal action against the SB for amount unpaid.

        Did you, perhaps, mean it in the reverse?

      • Anonymous Baby says:

        No, if it’s a camouflaged working contact. It obviously cannot go into a legal contest because itself it’s illegal. If you shell out money disguised as a salary each month, or if you give a loan with the intent of it being repaid by doing work and whatever that work may be, if unsatisfied you can always hold her liable for not keeping her end of the bargain, as that is a contract, but in the end, who would go and press charges for a staged or fake work contract?

      • Anonymous says:

        “It obviously cannot go into a legal contest because itself it’s illegal”

        Then it’s useless.

        What one could perhaps do is reverse what you stated prior, having the SD sign a loan contract as if he borrowed money from the SB for said promised amount of agreement.

        I doubt many would be willing to sign that though because of too many variables being involved (SB is the one who initiates dissolution of the Arrangement, Arrangement grows statle, SB is not what she seemed to be, etc.)

      • Anonymous Baby says:

        Not necessarily if the SB doesn’t know that. Like I said, I am not advocating it, but both parties would lose if even one of them were to press charges. So it’s their best interest to behave, but I am sure the SD has more to lose in this case.

      • Frank95 says:

        Exactly.

        Those who pooh poohed the idea just demonstrate they are really not in the league, and have no idea what a lawyer can do.

      • TVC15 says:

        Sure. :)

      • Anonymous says:

        “Not necessarily if the SB doesn’t know that. Like I said, I am not advocating it, but both parties would lose if even one of them were to press charges. So it’s their best interest to behave, but I am sure the SD has more to lose in this case.”

        Excuse me, I thought you were attempting to protect the SB in this scenario. This would be completely do-able in the circumstance I brought up; however, there would not be any protection for the SD (as you somewhat stated).

    • Anonymous says:

      “Is there some solution that could show a SD that you won’t run off with his money?”

      A SB could show me that she would not “run off” with my money by:
      A.) Putting forth effort into the arrangement
      B.) Being consistant over a period of time (for myself it would be at least six months), ie “building trust”

      Choose wisely and give it time and you may just find the one who will assist you in what you wish to do.

    • Andy says:

      One SB I met needed $1K for rent urgently. She offered to sign a IOU for the full amount and then I gave her “receipts” for payment after each meet. 4-5 meets later I tore up the IOU. Win Win.

      • Frank95 says:

        Yep.

        It’s hardly rocket surgery. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        You used her urgent situation to get what you want for not much considering you met up 5 times. How old was she, compared to you?

      • Andy says:

        I didnt use anything. She agreed to the deal and actually enjoyed the time with me. And still wants to see me more. Every girl is not some money grubbing whore that thinks spreading their legs and looking at the ceiling is worth $500/hr! And she is 25 years younger than me. So what?

      • guest says:

        So she spread her legs and looked up at the ceiling for less? Sounds depressing. Darn you’ve had some pretty horrible sexual experiences with women that obviously had to go anywhere that you weren’t mentally just to get through it. How would that be a great time? If a SB isn’t asking for round #2 you better believe she didn’t enjoy round #1. Ohh and of course she contacted you again for money. Is that odd?

  96. tool man says:

    whomever was looking for his tool girl SB; just spotted one on the working end of a B&D torque drill!

    • ks says:

      Did she look like she was enjoying it? They only bring pleasure if used correctly. I was unaware how little experience some people have in their use and application, SA blog is becoming soooo informative. Maybe its something Home Depot can look at…a Saturday class for those who want to improve their Home life…

  97. Another Anonymous says:

    @ why bother without full tuition and plenty of fish

    Just simple numbers. A freshly legal high school graduate has about 2 million of her classmates plus another say 12 million of broadly defined college age ladies to compete against. Many of them are in college and nearly all would think about enrolling if full tuition and support are provided.

    If she expects full tuition, she probably expects other support, spending money, some travel, gifts,occasional nice dinner. Easily 60k a year, nearly 100k in pretax money. The kind benefactor needs to be in top percentile income to be realistically able to do that. Fits with everyday experience that only very top income people do not need to worry about college funds for their own children. How many guys are in that income range, way less than a million in the country.

    So our freshly graduated college bound lady faces odds at best 20:1 and has about 3 month to find that kind older gent. Maybe she should reconsider and talk to a guy who is offering to cover a part of the tuition. Because true, there is plenty of fish, but vast majority is her competition, not benefactors.

    • Admirer says:

      When you factor in the fact that they are looking for a hot, cute 35 year old guy who can provide that, the odds are 200,000:1 and not 20:1

      • Frank95 says:

        That’s true. So in order to have a chance at that demographic, they’ve either got to totally filter out everybody under fifty, or stipulate that the guy must prove his net worth before moving to the point of intimacy.

        As you point out, the odds are so long, unless the newly legal sugar babe cuts everyone else out of her sights, they become distractions.

        I favour the option of asking guys to prove net worth, just on the extremely remote chance that maybe, possibly someone under fifty may have gotten an inheritance.

      • ks says:

        @Frank95
        I still don’t see the value of proving net worth, it can all be faked as can ID. Its not what he is worth, or what he promises to spend on you, its about what he actually spends on you. At some stage one of you must take a risk, either sprinkle some sugar without “reward”, or provide what he wants. If neither of you trust the other person, the vibes are wrong, so both must just move on.

      • TVC15 says:

        Agreed. It’s not what the guy has, but how generous he is with what he does have.

      • Frank95 says:

        That’s quite true ks. Think of it this way. There are several filters you can use in a search on site. All of them can be faked by a pot who is determined to lie. Yet we still use those filters as a first pass to reduce the number of unsuitable pots. That enables us to focus on the maybes more efficiently.

        So, saying early on that you won’t do anything before they prove net worth and exchange positive ID is like saying you only want someone athletic. Obviously, in each case you need to do the final due diligence. It’s a filter.

  98. Anonymous says:

    I think trusting ANY 18 year old to keep her word is extremely stupid… Only a very gullible gent will pay a large sum of money towards anything the said 18 old requests and expect her to follow through…

  99. problem is says:

    “roll the dice and hope” Vegas has better odds and we all know how that works out

  100. SouthernSB says:

    I have a breakfast date with a POT tomorrow. Any suggestions on what I should wear? It’s cold here but not snowing.

  101. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Gift tax

    But sure, you can hide it but it does not make it legal. :-)

  102. Anonymous says:

    We need a new blog NOWWW

  103. Anonymous says:

    Hi everybody, how’s it going?

  104. Anonymous says:

    @FunDude
    “When do you think the “entitlement” mentality started? How many years ago?”

    I started to see it slowly become introduced in late 2012. It’s been steadily increasing since then with it now being mainly unworkable.

    • Anonymous says:

      Care someone to explain to me what this entitlement issue is? I see it being mentioned but I have no idea. What makes a person entitled by the way they act or speak here?

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s when someone expects something for nothing.

        Examples:
        A POT SB isn’t even willing to meet in person (ever) but wants an allowance.
        A POT SB only wants to see you twice a month and wants $5K to do so.

      • Anonymous Baby says:

        I don’t think that’s an entitlement problem. I think they were brainwashed with that, and now they have set their standard or bar, which is pretty high but still. I guess there are some SD’s who would like an online only arrangement, and some SB’s who would like a pic’s and vid’s only arrangement, but to me those aren’t real or ‘traditional’ arrangements as I call them.
        If you find somebody who is willing to give you your target allowance for meeting up two times a month since he’s busy, or doesn’t need/want anymore, great. If not, then I am sure that it is what the market dictates and either adjust to it, wait it out or leave.

      • Anonymous says:

        I would say just leave lol. Most people (unless mentally ill) are not going to hand over money to someone they receive absolutely nothing from.

        It’s like expecting to get paid for breathing.

        Even if they are “brainwashed”, it’s still an entitlement issue. They have been “brainwashed” into feeling entitled.

      • Anonymous says:

        wait it out or leaving is exactly what we are doing.

        There are tons of profiles that say things like…. I deserve to be treated like a princess…. I am hot so I make great arm candy…. I am looking for $5k a month minimum for a platonic arrangement….

        those types of things were barely ever in profiles in 2012…. I guess the generation that got Trophies just for showing up is starting to become of sugar age.

      • Admirer says:

        I blame the Kardashians and Twitter.

      • Anonymous says:

        “I guess the generation that got Trophies just for showing up is starting to become of sugar age.”

        This is the problem, yes.

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      I know this was meant for @FunDude but I think that the entitlement started with the boost in social medias knowledge of this lifestyle and SAs need to make this more mainstream so they can make more money. I think girls that are googling “sugar baby” think that “Oh, I’m pretty I could do this because I get what I want in my normal day to day” and a lot of successful sugar babies with specific personality types, which work for them, use Instagram and Tumblr as a way to give tips to newbie SBs. But what happens is it backfires in a sense because some girls think that being “bitchy” and “dominant” is how you need to act you get what you want. Unfortunately, that mindset doesn’t work for all sugar daddies.

      • Anonymous says:

        Bow, you’re completely correct. That’s exactly when I started to see this trend begin. It’s happened on both sides of sugar bowl.

        On the SB side it’s created a steady drizzle of “SD”s who want sex from attractive women for nothing.

        And being “bitchy” and “dominant” doesn’t work for MOST SDs. The only guys that works for are the guys who are here to scam girls.

      • ks says:

        @WaBoT
        Now that SA sucked in lots of SB with the amounts on the website, they probably need to adjust them to market conditions, kind of like the DOW, the index does go down…

        I don’t mind negotiation. I can say no with ease and do. Its part of the learning curve for the inexperienced negotiators like young SB. If they are smart enough and can adapt to market conditions they will thrive. If they believe they know their worth, they will have to sit on the shelf a long time only to find they are no longer in demand at all and out of fashion…still dressed in her Gap and Old Navy casuals serving expressos, whilst the more adaptive SB is in her designer business suit and an career starter job because SD knows someone who needs someone urgently and made some calls. There are opportunities, they may not be perfect, but its a start, so negotiate the first one so its tolerable. Leave when you find something better…but when its take it or leave it…ok, I leave it…

      • Anonymous says:

        @ks I think the problem is that most SD’s should be expected to pay tuition to their SB counterpart since that is what an arrangement is mostly about, and it’s not a new concept. I am talking about the younger SB’s here. If it’s take it or leave it with no positive outcome of it, besides some gifts, I would say leave it. If you have set a goal, why settle for anything you can find, and lower your value, by being intimate with different men.

      • ks says:

        @Anonymous.
        Agreed, both SB and SD are allowed to set unrealistic targets based on their interpretation of current market conditions. I’ve done the same with shares. It is worth XXXX and I am not selling even though it is currently XX and so I wait…and I wait and eventually it goes belly up and I don’t even get XX. I was wrong with my analysis of the share so I reap the consequences. Ditto the SB/SD marketplace and whenever money is involved whether in-kind, bartered, or cold hard cash it is a marketplace. Those who want to value themselves at the high end should understand how to differentiate themselves from the normal range. Pretty? A lot of normal SB are very pretty. How do you differentiate the high end SB from normal range SB? Age? There are plenty of elegant beautiful older women.

        How would you differentiate the substantial, high, moderate, minimal allowance bands in terms of SB specification criteria?

      • Kore says:

        @ks It was a good comparison, but I think, still, the best would just be to remove the allowance expecation brackets.

        If you ask anyone what they want – they’d always say that they’d hope for the best, even if they don’t match the glamour of the € amounts. I think the numbers just go to peoples’ heads.

        Better would just be that SDs offer their allowance amounts privately – it would be a more realistic reflection of what SDs can afford and what the girls’ looks are worth. Without creating a crude hierarchy.

  105. Anonymous says:

    The real Mr. Grey with a practical allowance, lol.

    e5da11e5

    • Anonymous says:

      Remember, we’re not commenting on profiles which aren’t presented by the owner anymore.

      Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

      • Anon says:

        Why? I don’t remember agreeing to that or does this blog belong to an exclusive set of entitled’s?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Until recently that has always been the way it was. You choose to participate on a public blog that person didn’t exposing them unnecessarily for your amusement isn’t kosher. We normally just copy and paste the profile text we find amusing or outrageous.

      • Anon says:

        Yeah I do get it…what I’ve got a problem with is the way ownership of the blog is implied in the comment – you’ve also done it using ‘we’. Having read a number of these blogs it does seem like there’s a clique of regulars who love mutual masturbation and consequently drive others out – but that’s just my opinion – now I’m off I have a life to live outside blogville.

      • TVC15 says:

        If being asked not to post people’s profiles for public mockery without their consent is enough to drive you out, buh bye.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon Good riddance indeed. “We” already have a bunch of imbeciles here.

      • Anonymous says:

        lol another storm-off by this Anonymous again

      • Anon says:

        Oh my god – you guys just don’t get it do you.

  106. Another Anonymous says:

    @ gift tax

    The exemption is $14,000 a year. Do SDs pay gift tax for larger allowances? Probably not. But a receiver and the donor of high allowance for the whole year would have some expaining to do if 150k cash changed hands.

    • Anonymous says:

      Not if it’s in cash and kept at home and spent in lower amounts. I am not talking about bank transfer or anything else.

      • Anonymous says:

        As an SD I cannot see handing someone a large amount of cash and trusting them not to out me if the IRS came knocking on their door. That’s just a liability I cannot assume.

      • Anonymous says:

        Then how do you pay your SBs?

  107. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Anonymous

    Sure, we can see what people put in profile. But I wonder what is really discussed. I have contacted a POT that was listed as high and she did not even realize what it meant here. And btw nearly anything above minimal lasting for a calendar year is technically subject to gift tax. :-)

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      I agree with this statement. It is human nature to have a change of heart when someone does impress you that much that you are willing to give more or spend more than you are initially willing to do.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        I agree, WaBoT.

        I think that’s when companionship becomes truly rewarding. One that’s driven by desire to share and free-flowing reciprocity as opposed to purely contractual agreement.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        I think both SDs/SBs should understand that the initial “arrangement” is purely a foundation to build from. Nothing is set in stone unless that is the type of arrangement you want.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        yeah

      • ks says:

        Re: foundation agreements.

        I like the foundation agreement to last more than a week or so before being hit up for more… how long is typical before the first “performance review?”

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        That is totally up to you when it comes to “performance review” if she’s amazing after month 3 give her that promotion! If she’s amazing after a year go for it. That is very subjective. Depends on the situation.

      • ks says:

        @WaBoT
        3 month would be the probationary period, the review should be annual…I suppose to remove some of the subjectivity we need to discuss some performance objectives, some inverse to normal reviews:
        – She should still suck at her job…
        – When she walks into a room, everyone must still stop what they are doing to look at her…
        – She must bring a friend to work day…
        – She must own her own set of tools…

        What would be the criteria for the SD performance review?

      • Anonymous says:

        She must own her own set of tools

        ???

      • ks says:

        -Yes, power tools…

      • Anonymous says:

        Care to explain what you mean by power tools? I am guessing you aren’t talking about an electrician…

      • ks says:

        Sure, there are times when even the best top of the range equipment does not function correctly or cannot be used in two places at once. This is when a properly prepared SB will whip out one of her battery operated power tools from her bag of tricks and save the day, bringing production to a climatic end. What SD would not be proud of such a prepared thoughtful SB?

      • Anonymous says:

        I think we used to make fun of Rem for the same thing. The fact that your SB would want let alone need a dildo when with you…

      • ks says:

        Maybe you need to do some sort of course with SVixen or someone with actual sexual experience before venturing into relationships…the market for such power tools is in the hundreds of millions and bring lots of pleasure to a lot of people…turning stuff on just does not seem to be your forte…

      • TVC15 says:

        Men who are afraid of toys are boring.

      • ks says:

        @TVC15 says

        Agreed.

      • Anonymous says:

        This is not about being afraid, as I am no man. I just think it’s stupid to use toys especially since not a lot of people are open to them (maybe the modern US ones are) and that it’s not conventional. How are toys a plus in an arrangement, don’t get it.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’m going to be honest if I have to travel with a vibrator and dildo to receive “pleasure” when I’m with you then I have no need for you. I might as well stay home and diddle myself.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Thank you @Jaybird for that. I agree. What is the point of having a SD who is willing to have sex with you and please you if he’s not going to do either?

      • ks says:

        I never said he was not going to not use his own equipment, but sometimes supplementary tools bring a lot of pleasure…a good SB needs to be well prepared to please her SD… at least you both do not find fault with still sucking and bringing a friend…is that part still okay with you ladies?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I don’t share. Sucking I have no objection to unless it’s some new code word I’m not aware of like rimming and bumpkin…in that case I object. :-))

      • ks says:

        @Jaybird923

        Good to know… but remember sharing is caring…

      • TVC15 says:

        I’ll never understand how the fact that toys are fun gets conflated with them meaning one or both parties’ performance is inadequate.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I didn’t say anything about inadequacy. I’m just not interested. well maybe if it one of those remote controlled ones and we’re out in public that’s different or if I’m tied up …orgasm denial I might be into that. Otherwise having inanimate objects shoved up my vagina holds no appeal for me.

      • ks says:

        @Jaybird923

        If its inanimate, the batteries probably want changing…you can get them at Home Depot… :-)

      • TVC15 says:

        Also, there are many toys for things other than being shoved up a vagina. :)

      • Kore says:

        @ks I think tools are better if there are specific fantasies or after the limerence wears off.
        Quite a few women are pretty traditional and when it comes to sugar, where so much of importance goes into the beginning of the arrangement, I wouldn’t be surprised that such women react the way you’ve mentioned.

      • ks says:

        @Kore.
        I agree with you. What I initially tried to do was promote the concept that for each of the SA financial expectation bands there needs to be some sort of criteria so SB/SD can see what differentiates a high from a substantial, etc. Most people believe they are worth more than everyone else at work for instance because they work harder than everyone else, are always punctual, etc. Its a popular delusion and bias. So we have these “financial expectation bands” on SA, that allows SB to arbitrarily decide their self-worth. The market tells them otherwise. They don’t believe the market and blame SA and salty SD. Perhaps SA needs a rating tool for member profiles similar to “Am I hot or Not” because visual appeal is the initial attraction, the intangibles come later into the equation as you get to know each other. The tools, bring a friend and sucking were intended to be light-hearted, but once I start something I tend to persevere to the bitter end…

      • TVC15 says:

        “I just think it’s stupid to use toys especially since not a lot of people are open to them (maybe the modern US ones are) and that it’s not conventional.”

        Scaredy-cat

      • Anonymous says:

        Oh I’m sorry that I don’t go down the street to find an adult shop where they sell toys and porn. I guess us over the other side of the ocean are missing out on a lot.

      • TVC15 says:

        You can buy them on the Internet now. :)

      • Jaybird923 says:

        If its inanimate, the batteries probably want changing…you can get them at Home Depot…

        LMAO :-) touché

    • Anonymous says:

      If you just hand out the cash there’s no gift tax. Where did you get that?

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        I’m not sure that’s true, anonymous. I’m not well-enough informed to say, though.

        SSSD and some others have shared on that topic before. Maybe someone could share some input that won’t break the page :/

    • Anonymous says:

      most SBs I have found don’t know what the categories mean. My SB had her’s listed as moderate, and she thought that meant she was looking for a moderate amount of money which was $1000 a month to her.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes, I have said this time and time again that many SBs who have “High” or “Substantial” listed as expectational amount, in reality, have no conceptual meaning of the amount.

      They are not looking for anything close to those amounts and usually giggle when I ask about it.

      I’ve gone through this dozens of times. It seems akin to them playing a lottery ticket. They “hope” but they don’t _expect_.

      • Anonymous says:

        What kind of women are you talking to, my god, to not know the allowance range they set themselves at?

      • Anonymous says:

        Hmm, I was asking myself the same…..

      • Anonymous says:

        Young people (both female AND male) don’t have a firm grasp on numbers and math. This is not their fault but the fault of society and our current educational systems.

        It surprised me at first also, but it is what it is.

      • Anonymous says:

        But the ranges are written right there. What math is needed more to figure that out? If it says $5k then it probably is $5k.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        I thinks it’s more probable that some, for a number of reasons including the site’s marketing, think that there is an abundance of men readily equipped to give high allowances consistently. Also think that some men who mark high budget might be willing to splurge on a super hot girl for a month, but not to the tune of $150k per year when his annual income is $200k. I think that for some it’s the chase and game of bagging what they or others qualify as an ultimate dream girl. Why not go all in for a month?

      • Anonymous says:

        “But the ranges are written right there. What math is needed more to figure that out? If it says $5k then it probably is $5k.”

        They are not teaching reading comprehension anymore either lol. I just try to keep an open-mind about people. You don’t know what miles they may have or have not travelled.

  108. Anonymous says:

    SB personality
    It is along the lines of “what helped you to get a job is not what helps you keep it”. While “chemistry” is very important at pre-arrangement stage, it takes a distant second to whether the two people are compatible in bed.
    If they are not…no matter how much the two people enjoy each other’s company over dinner is gonna fix it.

    • yougottabekiddingme says:

      Good points.

      I think that it gets a little tricky also in that what’s been projected and perceived online doesn’t always translate in person. It’s easy to kind of fantasize to fill in unknown gaps until you meet a person. This can lead to disappointment. In some cases though, I think that if the chemistry is there, then both are more willing to compromise/negotiate.

  109. yougottabekiddingme says:

    My phone is one blogpage refresh away from spontaneous combustion.

    Clearly, Brandon’s mom believes that infinite purgatory is the best we deserve after all the hell that’s been raised.

    Oh, Pearly Gates of Blogsphere…where art thou?

  110. Anonymous says:

    Hi, I am a new very young 18 year old SB, and I just started using this site.
    I came here with the intention of getting my tuition payed but I am not sure
    how I approach the SDs in doing so.
    Does anybody have tips on how to approach
    him?

    • Anonymous says:

      Just let him know when you two start the allowance talk. He may want to directly deposit the tuition fee to your college. If he says he can’t afford it, next him. Plenty of fish in the sea.

    • Anonymous says:

      “…plenty of fish in the sea”.
      Just remember – when you next someone, same applies to him. There are plenty of money-hungry young women out there he can pick from. So maybe if he can pay some of your tuition instead of all of it…do not rush to next him oh so fast…

      • Anonymous says:

        Hoe is some tuition being payed helpful? I am sure one needs to pay all of the tuition before the year starts or deposit an amount each month. If that’s not happening, why even bother?

      • Josh says:

        EXACTLY!!!

        The hell with uncooperative SDs. Go back to your broke boyfriend and ask him to work his ass off to pay your tuition.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am sorry Josh but I am gonna have to disagree on this one. The ideal sugar arrangement as we have discussed before involves a young college girl who is struggling and needs her tuition payed and an older gentleman who can provide that. But I am sure these days everything is possible, even online only arrangements for a ‘couple of bucks’.

      • Anonymous says:

        My point exactly:
        Are you telling me, you will pay her several thousand dollars of tuition and expect her to honor the agreement? What if she stops answeriing your texts the very next day…
        Some women are idiots…really.

      • Anonymous says:

        @anon above,

        the only idiot is you, really. Look at the ideal SA arrangement and come back. I don’t know how the process goes or should go in an arrangement like this, but it surely says tuition money to a young lady from an older gentleman.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        Can do an installment plan, and have her add you as a guardian. Guardian has access only to tuition payment site.

        That said, if the arrangement is to have tuition paid, then I think this should be made good on a semester-by-semester basis. It will leave the SB worse off if SD defaults on agreement…late fee, dropped classes, re-registration and late registration fees etc. In that case, partial tuition is actually worse than no tuition at all :/. Could also set her studies back a year or more if she has to withdraw.

    • SDaddy says:

      Well, here’s the problem 18 yr old SB . As an SD,if I meet a cute young SB -perhaps like you-I will offer to pay an allowance-usually weekly or at most monthly. No SD in his right mind will cut a check for a semester’s tuition in advance. The best that you can hope for is to get an arrangement and save your allowance ,and over a semester you might have enough to fund the next semester . How much is your tuition ?

      • SDaddy says:

        Almost 100% of the time , when I advance an SB money-even $200, they run. How will you reassure your SD that if he writes a check for the semester at $6000,say -that you are going to honor the arrangement seeing him every week for his fun and games ? If your agreement is once /week and you get busy, are you still going to see him to honor your side of the deal ? Would you consider running on him ?

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Like I said earlier in one of my posts @SDaddy Its always a gamble you never know. The sugarbowl will never be the same. With this new generation and some current “supposed SBs” Vetting is the only way to find out if someone will stick around. Its a long process but…it can be done.

        I have found it extremely hard to find an SD. I posted in a post about allowances that a lot of men want to do pay per meets and its understandable. But I don’t think you should ever treat your sugar baby like an escort because you’ve been burned and can’t trust that she’ll be around. Trust is a hard thing to gain in this lifestyle. You can only roll the dice and hope.

      • Test says:

        Yes indeed. SDs “can only roll the dice and hope” and trust their SB. After all, men are desperate and women have all the cards at their disposal so we either take it or leave it on the girl’s terms.

        Of course if a SD suggested a SB should “trust him” and take a chance on getting their allowance at the end of the month it would be laughable.

      • TVC15 says:

        That’s because money can be returned, while intimacy can’t. :)

  111. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Elaine

    But of course everybody is unique and everybody has a different emotional set up. But I still think having a large enough sample, it is easy to find patterns.

    As to verification level, have you ever asked your POTs to produce bank statements? A POT SB asking that should better be able to produce college transcript and ask for tuition direct deposit to bursar’s office. I wonder what is the most frequently discussed serious allowance? 1k? Why should one be a multimillionaire to afford this?

    • Anonymous says:

      Allowance varies, 1k is minimal per SA, and I haven’t seen many minimals around. I have seen a lot of negotiable, practical and moderate men mostly. But the thing is I have seen more high than substantials, not sure why.

    • elaine says:

      @Another Anonymous

      I have never asked my pot’s for a bankstatement.

      I verify their identity before the first meet and most of my pot’s were easy traceable on the internet. Not traceablity will be “red flag” and “next”
      .
      With the information found and 2 working braincells it is quite easy to make an estimation of the truth of the mentioned income and networth range. So far for me this system has been working quite accurate.

      They get my real name and can verify me too if they want.

  112. WTF says:

    I have been in this life style for almost 2+ years and beside having bad experiences and no shows which had posted yesterday about 5 different examples , I will still say there are real sb available. it is easy for me to blame the sbs but in two instances I have personally screwed up. 8-9 months relationship I screwed up because I started getting out of line not her. second one was for about 4 months and again my fault , I just didnt answer her, no text no phone no email nothing for 3 weeks . so as sds we screw up too guys

  113. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Elaine and FunDude

    Actually it seems that your views are compatible. The FD approach can be a very nice approximation of the expected price. But after that yes there is a difference between four meetings a month at set time and being available anytime at short notice.

    @ Southern Gentleman

    Very nice observations. I can second them from my experience.

    @ Frank95

    What allowance are you talking about? Your suggested level of verification seems fitting for a meeting of two unicorns.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      [http://www.aunicorntshirt.com/images/UNITSH_261B_TwoUnicorns.jpg]

    • elaine says:

      @Another Anonmous

      I don’t think @Fundouche and I will EVER have compatible views…

      Since he wants to capture people in rational “frames” whereas I think each person is unique.
      For me the best example of all that is too limited in his “theory” is my own situation.

      Each situation is different, but people like @Fundouche need to frame everything in ratio, that is for certain people the only way to keep a grip upon the world around them.
      Unfortunally some just don’t have the emotional intelligence, or life experience, to open their mind for different situations.

      “What allowance are you talking about? Your suggested level of verification seems fitting for a meeting of two unicorns.”

      To me it looks like a meeting of two people who are trying to start up a serious, long term relationship. :-)

  114. Jaybird923 says:

    No one with any intelligence considers any one in their 30’s as a SD except for the delusional 18-19 year olds that put it in their profiles no one over 35. The vast majority of the guys under 40 have no intention nor the means to provide an allowance.

    They are mostly here to use the site as a cheaper alternative to a escort service, scam women by making promises they have no intention of keeping, or to date hotter women than the ones who can be found on traditional dating sites.

    Any one who is truly here to receive help with tuition etc. knows to disregard the messages from those individuals. That’s why so many of them have started to misrepresent their age and list themselves has being older than they truly are. If you’re looking for a relationship with the potential to lead to marriage/future than yeah go with the 30 something

    • ks says:

      I’ve only been using this site a few months, but the SB I have met have always claimed to be younger than they really are… IRL prior to finding this SA website it was always the same. Whilst the 18-19 year olds are attractive, I prefer mid-20s upwards as less chance of being jailbait, 30’s are great Mistresses and 40’s are occasional sure thing dinner dates in the various places I travel.

      • Anonymous says:

        I saw two of my ex SBs have created new profiles recently. One is 29 and she listed her age as 22, the other and 27 and she listed her age as 20. I think they are messing up because I know a lot of my SD friends are looking for women in their late 20s to early 30s.

    • Anonymous says:

      Jay, I’m finding that so many girls have this preconceived judgement of me because I’m in my 30s. It couldn’t be farther from the truth though. Some of us just started early and so therefore we are here early.

      And to be honest with you, I see “hotter” girls on Match and OKCupid in my area than on here. It wasn’t always this way though. The women on here used to be very attractive. Things have changed though.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Ok you have the means but are you willing to pay an allowance? If there are hotter girls on those sites why bother with SA?

  115. FatB'StardSA says:

    I hope SB’s reading SD comments take time to think about what the SD is looking for…

    I am sure @Frank95 assumes he is a great SD but he seems to be looking for a GF experience. There have been other blog SD’s who were looking for the same (not all would admit it though).

    Time spent with the SD AND the emotional investment the SD expects are reflected in the allowance a SB will get.

    • Fundude says:

      Its also a product of age.

      If there is a >30-40 year gap between the SD and SB, it will take more incentive to get the female to go for the “girlfriend experience”

    • Test says:

      Aha – maybe that is the part I was missing. If a SB is expected to organize her whole life around the SD then that would explain why they would expect an allowance of thousands each month.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Test

        One blog SD texted over 100 times a day with his SB. That’s fine if it makes the SD happy but he is going to have to pay for that commitment even if they only meet once a week.

      • elaine says:

        @Test

        That is a part very often under estimated in the allowance discussions here.

        And completely ignored by the ones that try to capture the”worth” of a SB in rational such parameters as : age, weight, height, race, eye and haircolour etc. etc.

        As long as you don’t know what efforts the SB is investing in the arrangement there is just NO WAY to put a “price” on a person of flesh and blood or judge about her allowance!

      • Fundude says:

        @Test

        Clearly, I disagree with Elaine’s concept of the value of SBs.

        These things are relatively quantifiable using simple metrics that men value such as age/weight/etc.

        Allowances would largely be dependent on the gap between the SD vs SB in looks/age/etc.

        I find it fanciful that a 35 year old SD who is in good shape would pay the same as a 65 year old SD that is obese to attain an allowance with a 25 year old SB that is thin/attractive in the vast majority of cases.

        Conversely, I find it fanciful that a 45 y/o SD would pay the same allowance to a 45 year old female who is in average shape for her age compared to a younger 25 year old SD that is thin/attractive.

        Just strains logic.

        Personality plays a secondary role to these factors.

      • Kore says:

        @FD Looks come first. You split that according to the rest of the criteria then. I think it’s possible that a 45 year old man would opt for someone closer to his age over very young SBs if she had the type of beauty that you can’t have in youth..

    • Bye Felicia says:

      Well theoretically, a SB is supposed to be more akin to a “kept woman” than anything. At least that’s how I think of it. Especially if you are a SD that requires a high amount of attention like a full-time job…then you’ll probably have to provide full-time benefits.

      • Rat says:

        So in your definition what are “full-time” benefits?

      • Anonymous says:

        I suppose it’s being with him all throughout the day if he requires, being on his beck and call, GF experience and maybe even quitting the job as requested. For all of this, only a millionaire SD would be able to pay all her expenses, tuition, job rate per day, and probably even her condo and car expenses.

    • Frank95 says:

      Actually, my post wasn’t aboute so much as addressing the criteria set out for newly legal SBs in the OP above.

      That is, if they are looking for support through college, or help in a business start up, what are some ways for them to narrow down the field to find SDs that can help them achieve those goals.

      The points made by fundude are quite valid for those women looking for a fun, er, dude. And fundude is quite correct to say that younger guys pay far less, precisely because they are younger. But the OP was not about fun with younger guys. Newly legal SBs actually can manage to find guys with limited funds without much trouble.

      However, if they want the things mentioned in the OP, they won’t get them from the younger guys.

      That’s because the average age of millionaires in the US is about 63 according to the statistics. The number of millionaires in their early twenties is vanishingly small. So small, that if a guy in his early thirties says his net worth is over a million, there’s a 99.99% chance he’s lying. And if he’s lying about that, what else is he lying about? Hence of course my suggestion to newly legal SBs that they ask for some tangible evidence of net worth from potential SDs. In the 0.01% chance that a younger guy actually has money, this gives him a chance to prove it. Without that proof, a newly legal SB should guffaw with laughter at any 30 something guy who claims to be worth north of a million. The figures show that is unbelievably rare.

      • Fundude says:

        I agree.

        Very few men in their 30s are worth north of a million dollars without inheritance money.

        Most guys in their 20s to 30s on this website would be lying about their assets claiming to be over a million.

        Everyone knows that since income/assets aren’t verified on SA, the numbers are highly inflated by a large segment of SDs.

      • Fundude says:

        However, the SD in his 30s has the advantage whereby he can pay about 1K/month in allowance or less for a woman in her 20s.

        If he is making 150K/year (or greater), he should be able to afford that, unless he is encumbered by a family/wife/kids/etc.

        Many women would prefer that type of arrangement to more money from a man who is >30 years older than herself.

      • Admirer says:

        That is not what they reading on Instagram and Tumblr. All SD’s are Justin Bieber look alikes in looks and money. And all they want to do is take them out to dinner, throw money at them, and tell them how beautiful they are. But no touching.

      • Fundude says:

        I think the average “allowance” is about 1K/month and they don’t last too long.

        The ladies who gets higher allowances are either SPECTACULARLY good looking or making them with guys >30-40 years older.

      • Anonymous says:

        Of course with guys 25-35 years older, because that’s the supposed target age group of a SD and as opposed to the much younger target age group of a SB. So if a SB is 25, her SD should be at least 45 or older for him to pay an allowance consisting of moderate and the older he is, the more he has to pay.

  116. Southern Gentleman says:

    I wrote the post about “I’m almost 50 and have been sugaring for a couple years now. ”
    First time posting. I’m logged into SA, but it didn’t show my handle.

    Cheers!
    Southern Gentleman

  117. Anonymous says:

    I’m almost 50 and have been sugaring for a couple years now. The sb’s I’ve sugared are anywhere from 18 to 27. I read a number of earlier posts about about how the older men have to pay more because the younger woman thinks he’s desperate.
    Well, I have met women who think that way, so I understand. When I meet women like that I just move on no matter how hot they are. I don’t like to be treated like that. It’s not good for the psyche, haha
    I like the sb’s that are genuinely attracted to and want to have sex and attention from an older man. They love the conversations, get some wisdom about how to get raises and promotions at their work, handle difficult family relations, adventures of all sorts, etc…
    Finding a good sb takes work. There are a lot of fakes, flakes, gold diggers, escorts, girls with unreasonable expectations, female bullies and probably a few categories I have missed.
    Searching for a sb will give you an education. I have found these forums (excluding the trolls ) to be very helpful in getting my head wrapped around what is happening here.
    At first arrangements were rather foreign to me. Now, even though I have to go thru a lot of work to find a good one, I love sugar babies.
    peace

    • Test says:

      Thank you for sharing. My experience has been very similar.

    • rembodelr says:

      I will go even further, to say that one can find young women who are so genuine, one feels almost guilty…You can throw stones at him, but “Manhattan” exists.

    • Fundude says:

      Very accurate post

    • Emmanuella says:

      I have to disagree with you! I am 48 and look a lot better than someone in there twenties, and have quite a l,ot of men that want to court me, and take care of me. I just did 2 photo shoots for Playboy and never lack money or having a quality relationship. I am blessed with very good genes, but most importantly, I am educated, intelligent, and have more to offer than a younger girl, and because of this, they always want to stay with me. I have over the top emails on this site, and do not have enough time to answer all of my messages. So it does not matter your age, it depends on how a man views beauty and intelligence

  118. ImSoFancee says:

    Hey all had a first meet with a Sd today, we had several drinks and were eating dinner and he had to go to the bathroom but then he never came back. And I wasn’t paying the bill because I didn’t have any money so I left to before the check came. Oh well. He was only offering $300 a month to stay overnight at my place 3 times a week and he said he worked on Wall ST but his socks didn’t match and he had on old sneakers so I don’t know.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      lol I was just wondering what happened to you. Sorry your meet didn’t go well. What were you guys talking about before he had to use the rest room? This isn’t the Amazon gift card guy is it?

      • ImSoFancee says:

        He was asking me very graphic sexual inappropriate questions about if I have ever rimmed anyone, don’t know what that is, and something about a bumpkin, which I don’t know what that is either. Its just as well he skipped out because he was not that cute and his shoes were just really dirty and not really my type. Don’t think he is really a stockbroker.

      • Anonymous says:

        lol this again

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Yeah he’s probably not really a stockbroker. According to urban dictionary rimming is licking the asshole. Ia bumpkin is an unsophisticated or awkward person. Unless you’re a really good actress try to find someone you actually like it’ll make things so much better for you both.

    • Anonymous says:

      ROTFLMAO!!!

    • Test says:

      This is the final straw for me. Can’t be real. But please keep it up – great reading!

      • Fundude says:

        @Test

        So far everything she says sounds reasonable

      • Test says:

        lol. Was it reasonable that she did not know what rimming was? Or for that matter, that Jaybird wants us to think she had to look it up in the urban dictionary?

        Sorry – just kidding around, but could not resist…

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Test Just because you lick enough ass to be aware of the lingo doesn’t make that true for everyone else. What purpose would I have for knowing the name for something that disgusting. ( No offense if licking ass is your thing but that’s just gross.)

      • Fundude says:

        @Test

        She is refreshing actually.

        Usually, SBs like her will claim they get 10K allowances for platonic relationships.

        She is telling stories that appear quite accurate with reality.

        See her as an honest influence on this blog.

      • Anonymous says:

        This is definitely a fake profile, I pity the woman whose pics were stolen from a creten!

    • Fundude says:

      Thank you for posting again today ImsoFancee

      We appreciate your ACCURATE and HONEST discussion of your sugar dating.

      Good luck.

    • Rat says:

      Actually a bumpkin is a blowjob while taking a shit

    • Anonymous says:

      Once you start having X-rated conversations with a POT you should politely excuse yourself from the date. As an SB you need to respect yourself first and don’t get trapped into a conversation you don’t want to have. You are a grown woman. You should have left. No amount of money should have let you stay for that especially if it was $300

    • guest says:

      Omg 300 a month? He also wants to push into your place and later did a dine and dash? Ewww no. See this is exactly why I do not sit down for dinner until I have an idea we’re on the same page regarding expectations.

  119. Anonymous_SSSD says:

    dj_seventy7…It’s very simple with the ladies on here. If you’re failing at meeting any women on this site, it’s one or more of only three possible reasons:
    1) Your profile sucks
    2) You’re unattractive
    3) You don’t have enough money.

  120. dj_seventy7 says:

    Bumping this up

    I am fairly new here. I have not been getting a lot of responses, especially from younger SB’s, I am not sure whether it is something I say or these young (18-21) year old’s are just hesitant, inexperienced girls who are just window shopping and not wanting anything serious or just simply afraid. I usually tell them upfront that I am looking to hang out once a week and if chemistry is right, more. I sometimes suggest I will compensate for each time we hang out, sometimes not.

    I usually send something along the lines of:

    “Hi, Happy New Year. I think you and I share similar interests. Check out my profile. I will be upfront and tell you that I am looking for someone I can hang out with once a week at least and with whom I have, not just a physical, but intellectual connection as well. If interested, let’s meet up for dinner and see if we are a good match.”

    Is it normal that most young ones just don’t reply? Also, can someone take a look at my profile and let me know if something is off, any suggestions how to improve?

    Also, what would be a fair offer for a single meet? I do not wish to pay allowance but rather pay for each time we have intimate encounter. Escorts in my area are asking anywhere from 200 to 500 per hour and they are pretty hot.

    my handle is @dj_seventy7 thanks

    • Admirer says:

      If escorts are hot, plentiful, and affordable in your area, and since you sound like you are more interested in just quick, brief encounters, why not just stick to escorts? Why go through all the headaches of finding an SB? A bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.

      • Fundude says:

        Escorts sound like a better method for this guy.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        That’s what we told him to do when he posted this morning. I don’t think he liked the answers he received so he posted again.

      • Admirer says:

        He posted again because people said they could not find his profile. I had no problems finding it. He is overthinking his situation when the answer is so clear.

      • Test says:

        I am baffled by recommendations that suggest escorts as an alternative to SBs. Last I checked hiring an escort was illegal.

        People may like to say there is little actual difference between hiring an escort and giving a SB a gift – but to my knowledge no SB or SD has ever been arrested for solicitation.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        “I do not wish to pay allowance but rather pay for each time we have intimate encounter. Escorts in my area are asking anywhere from 200 to 500 per hour and they are pretty hot.”

        The reason for the recommendation. He doesn’t want a SB he just wants a SB he can treat like an escort.

    • rembodelr says:

      Just a couple thoughts:
      A. Reasons #4
      You are rushing. SA has an ebb and flow… One day, you are ready to give up and tomorrow, you have 5 messages in your inbox, a date and an arrangement.

      B. While people may tell you that there is “a sea of difference” between SBs and escorts..truth be told, this is a bit hypocritical. Some men will pretend they are better Saints than the one currently occupying that pretty white palace in Vatican and have no idea what the “e” word means. Some women will pretend they will “never ever”, but SB – “oh, yes, of course”.
      The border is…kinda sorta. And while there are certainly escorts that are undoubtedly escorts and some SBs that are clearly SBs…the difference is not in a price point.
      There are plenty of women on SA who will be perfectly happy with an “escort-like” arrangement = once a week in the hotel for a couple of hours. That does not make them escorts. They – whatever the common opinion is, I suggest to ignore it – could be completely faithful to you and will have you as the only sexual partner…yes, funny how this works…They will be honest, thankful and aim to please.
      The thing that you will discover, women are people too (c). Sorry, I do not mean this to be condescending, just that SA male members tend to forget that once they are on SA and texting away. Treat them as such, as decent honest warm people and you will be rewarded.
      Simple.

      • Anonymous says:

        There are plenty of women on SA who will be perfectly happy with an “escort-like” arrangement = once a week in the hotel for a couple of hours. That does not make them escorts. They – whatever the common opinion is, I suggest to ignore it – could be completely faithful to you and will have you as the only sexual partner…yes, funny how this works…They will be honest, thankful and aim to please.

        This is the most AWFUL advice anyone has ever given! How doesn’t an escortish arrangement make one an escort? A few bucks for a few hours of ‘intimate time’ and you’re still a SB?
        Does this mean SB’s only have one SD, while at the same time, we know that is not the truth?

      • Kore says:

        Well, the SB might not be like an escort, but the arrangement could be similar to an escort service if you treat her like an escort anyway.

      • ks says:

        @Kore says
        …and vice versa, an “SB” treats me like an ATM or John and for sure I will treat her in an “appropriate” manner…

      • Kore says:

        @ks *shrug* Happens by default, doesn’t it? If either POT act a certain way, it carries consequences.

        I was talking more about the approach and you’re quite right. It isn’t one sided. I was specifically answering to Anon. The approach where the SB is seen as an escort – as in his answer to Rem’s post.

  121. Frank95 says:

    There’s a point Jaybird made in a thread below, which I think is worth its own discussion. She was talking about the difficulty of wading through the numbers of pots to find genuine SDs.

    So, with the newly legal in mind, here goes:

    Finding a good SD/SB is a bit like getting a new pony. It’s great, but you need to wade through a lot of horse poop too.

    You are looking for someone who will support you through college, or while you are setting up a business, or whatever your long term aim is. During that time, you will date, be intimate, be friends, have a confidante and a mentor. That’s the ideal surely. So what might be a good way of shovelling out the horse poop?

    Well, first of all, you are both looking for a long term relationship, during which time you will know each other, and being intimate at some point. It’s therefore extremely reasonable that you ask to exchange positive ID before the stage of intimacy. If the relationship is going to be long term, you’re both going to find that out anyway, so why not stipulate it up front? The only person who can ensure he remains anonymous is someone who knows he’s not going to be around for long.

    Of course, a side benefit is that if someone with nasty intentions is on the prowl, and he knows you have left his details where they can be found, likely will look elsewhere.

    The next little filter would be to ask for some proof of his financial capacity to back up his promises. You don’t need to get audited financial statements, but 30 seconds on his mobile during an initial meeting, and he should be able to show you cash assets of $100k if he says his annual income
    is $200k for example. If he can’t, maybe he isn’t able to provide the promised compensation. It takes 30 seconds, and all of us guys like to brag and show off. And remember, he’s wanting you to do the full girlfriend thing. So, it’s not unreasonable.

    Point is, if you make it clear that intimacy isn’t going to happen unless this information is provided/exchanged, 99% of the scammers and time wasters will look elsewhere.

    Of course, he too might ask for confirmation of your claims too. Fair’s fair.

    Now, with the horse poop out of the way, saddle up and enjoy the ride.

    • Andy says:

      The only thing true about Franks post is the poop. Its full of it! A successful SD has far more to lose than a broke 20 year old. Real name? Bank Statements? Seriously, why not just paint a target on your head and say blackmail me? Today I was chatting with a girl in Texas(I am in CA). She was a “collage” student a sophisticated “women”. Yeah right. Anyway I was trying to see why she wanted to chat with me in CA. Turns out she wants someone to get her out of Texas and into CA. So fine, I have a lot of FF miles, I thought Id ask her for her name /DOB so I can book a ticket. She does, I google it ofcourse and find she has been arrested for aggravated assault and has been in jail as recently as Oct 2015. So for all I know she is trying to skip parole or whatever. Do I want this person to know my name and show her my bank statements? Seriously Frank, WTF are you thinking? There are a lot of nice girls on the site but any site full of “rich” men is going to attract criminals also.

      • Fundude says:

        Yeah its nonsense.

        Would never show someone financial statements or that other stuff.

      • SSSD says:

        It’s probably a good idea to find out who the person is before putting your dick inside her. Sometimes that background check can be a problem for some really insecure girls, but it is for the benefit of both parties, especially when both are looking for long term arrangements.

      • Admirer says:

        WTF are you chatting with a Texas cowgirl for when you fucking live in CA? California is the biggest SB market there is!
        If you can’t find a warm wet pussy in CA and have to fly an ex-con from the Lone Star state then there is something wrong with you.

      • Fundude says:

        Good point admirer.

        The long distance stuff is probably even more problematic.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Andy

        @Frank95 could be trolling the blog for SB’s…

        I disagree with @Admirer and @FunDude to a point. Flying a SB to meet you is dumb (unless you are loaded) but a long distance arrangement can be the best type of arrangement if you can leverage your business travel.

        I would take a Texas cowgirl over a 420 friendly California wanna be porn star ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

    • Anonymous says:

      Very good points, Frank.

      For those in the US, after seeing his driver’s license, you can also use the address on it to look up the ownership of the house or building at that address via county land records. Almost all millionaires in the US at least own their primary homes. That public record is much harder to fake than random bank statements.

    • Andy says:

      There is no shortage of pussy in CA. I have my hands full. But sometimes I like to see what these girls are thinking. I once had two girls 18 and 19 meet me in Vegas. I didnt even fly them there, they drove down. I had 3 days of 3 somes with two teenagers and the deal was I cover expenses but no allowance. A fun time was had by all. Then they returned to their podunk towns. My point is, great experiences can be found all over the place. Sometimes I chat with girls just to see their deal. If this girl was for real and would come see me for the price of a free ticket, why not consider it? BTW she is for real and would come and see me but sadly she is a felon. Hot one though :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        I had 3 days of 3 somes with two teenagers and the deal was I cover expenses but no allowance. A fun time was had by all.

        And you call this an arrangement? No wonder the bowl has been polluted by some of these wanna be pimps and escorts. If you were simply looking for a threesome and a ‘fun time’ why not hire two escorts? Idiot

      • Kore says:

        @andy Was one of them the felon you mentioned earlier? Hahaha..

    • Frank95 says:

      I can see that some people did not read what I wrote. :)

      First of all, I was writing for new SBs in line with the topic. Second of all, I specifically wrote about long term sugar relationships…with guys who have the financial resources to sustain them.

      It obviously does not apply to those who are looking for short term anonymous sex for money. Indeed, in that instance it would be nonsense.

      As I distinctly said, I was responding to Jaybird’s point about the number of contacts one has to wade through to find a genuine SB/SD. Obviously if someone wants to be an escort or John, my advice is irrelevant.

      I am letting newbie SBs have information that enables them to make the choice. And to enable them to guard against guys that want to make them escorts unknowingly.

      • Andy says:

        I did read carefully. So you think that unless you put a SB through med school you are a john and she is an escort? What about those girls who just want to party a bit or travel to exciting places? Or those that just need an occassional phone bill paid? Who actually enjoy hanging out with me and treat the cash as just a nice bonus? Does that make them whores and me a john? Ive had so many nice experiences with girls just like the above. There are many models of sugar dating. Yours is just one of them

      • Fundude says:

        HIs method is that for much older SDs that have to provide large allowances to secure top of the line women in their early 20s.

        The the older/out of shape the SD, the more he would probably have to offer in an allowance.

        Showing bank statements is ridiculous though.

        This method is not worthwhile for younger SDs.

      • Test says:

        I understand Frank95’s post – it could be a good way of doing things on one end of the sugar spectrum.

        My personal experience has been more in line with Andy’s. What frustrates me is when potSBs make comments about a few hundred dollars being a small amount of money.

        By the way, am I the only SD on the site that has put down a lower income and net worth than actual? How much money I have/make has nothing to do with how much I am prepared to offer a SB. If they knew how much I had they would certainly ask for more from me.

      • Anonymous says:

        I think that the problem comes in with most of the women here not knowing the value of money. They come from backgrounds where there was very little in the way of quality teaching and/or not spending beyond your resources. They think the more you have, the more you waste. This is clearly now the case here.

        My situation is along the line with Andy’s also. I find the entitlement problem here really disturbing. It makes them highly unattractive to me. I remember when I used to meet extremely grateful women here. Those days are obviously over. I guess I should just be grateful that I had the opportunity to witness and experience it all back then.

      • Fundude says:

        @Anon

        When do you think the “entitlement” mentality started? How many years ago?

      • IHF2030 says:

        Test…Yes, I also intentionally understated my income and net worth. And, I did so for good reason.

      • William says:

        Test

        I posted lower as well. No need to give them ideas about increasing their expectations. The expectations are usually fine on their own and don’t need encouragement.

        Anon

        I find the entitlement has dramatically increased in the last 5 or 6 months. I don’t know if this is just Toronto or if it is a widespread movement. It is becoming not entitlement but rather mass delusion. The movement is a combination of those with substantial goals and nothing approaching equal offered in return, to the platonic ones who now seem to be trying to hide saying it [a bait and switch tactic that gets them some dinners I guess].

      • Anonymous says:

        The entitlement has grown steadily as twitter, tumblr and instagram have grown. I think both sides of the sugar bowl have become jaded and it is becoming more difficult to find someone reasonable.

      • Admirer says:

        If you read the profiles carefully there are plenty of clues about the platonic ones. It is the one liner profiles you need to worry about. But 99.99% of profiles only state what they expect to get out of the arrangement, and nothing about what they are able to offer. Me, me, me, me, myself, and I.

      • ks says:

        @Admirer
        They already know what you want…you want sex…say it ain’t so…

      • Admirer says:

        Actually what I want is to sit next to them 3 feet apart at a sandy beach while admiring the sunset. Absolutely no touching. Then she can tell me how she will spend the 10K/mo I will be giving them for this wonderful arrangement.

      • ks says:

        @Admirer
        Then you are in luck! You are on the right website at the right time. Because currently, there are thousands of them willing to supply EXACTLY what you want. You lucky man! Phone NOW and not only will you get the chance to provide her $10k cash each month, you will be able to pick up the tab for the Four Seasons Suite at $1k a night, meals at $300, wine extra and get her a small gift or trinket from Cartier to show how much you appreciate the opportunity. Don’t forget the first class flights, because your Princess probably dislikes the lumpy pea filled seats back there in coach. It was a good job you bought her that LV bag prior to the trip so her Chanel and Gucci dresses do not crease… You are one lucky man. I am so jealous…

    • Anonymous says:

      All of this that Frank posted would work out great if only there were SBs who wanted “Longterm” and who were also attractive, honest, and sincere in finding an arrangement. The women I see here (blog women excluded) are interested in just recieving thousands of dollars for either never seeing you or seeing you “maybe” two times a month.

      I have ZERO problem showing a woman $100K of assets, but I’m not getting into full name and/or address. I don’t feel that I have to sacrifice my personal safety and reputation for a SB. That would be foolish.

      • Kore says:

        I have managed to figure out the full names and companies of the SDs I have met and all (except one in the beginning) POTs who I considered more seriously.

        My SD took me to his one of his houses the next day after our first arrangement. We trust one another.

      • Anonymous says:

        I thought you said you were looking for a SD two months ago?

      • Kore says:

        Huh? I’m aware that I can un/hide my SA profile – why would I mention on the blog if I am looking or not?

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore
        I cannot account for someone else’s negligence. I can only guard and protect myself. Giving trust to someone you do not know (SD/SB) side is a gamble of personal safety.

        You took a chance going to his house that I would not advise a SB to even take so early in an interaction.

        Please be careful.

      • Kore says:

        After having spent a whole evening and night with him previously.. I can trust my judgment. 😉 I’m not naiive nor do I mistrust people without reason.

        The issue is in knowing which people to trust (with chich information). Obviously, I wouldn’t have expected him to trust me or take me to his place if I had come across a different way from which I am. Nor would I have gone to his place had be been anything less than perfectly gentlemanly…

        It sounds strange perhaps because the setting is hard to imagine. When you meet the down to earth kind of girl who isn’t someone who would consider destroying your life via blackmail to get revenge, etc.. You take your chances rather than not. 😉 It’s hard to imagine before it happens.

      • SDaddy says:

        “There are many models of sugar dating. Yours is just one of them”

        Amen ! @ Frank ,methinks you are trying to became the SB savior in blogsville. The girls will all go “Awww-he’s so sweet—”

        Full disclosure is an insanely bad idea. If you are single and don’t have anything to hide you can tell your real identity and SB can do her poking around. And eventually your SB will end up discovering your real I.D. I’ve never had an SB Pot ask for i.d.

      • Anonymous Baby says:

        @Kore but I remember some people telling you that you couldn’t find a SD because you weren’t attractive or something like that. Anyways, it’s great that you found somebody now.

      • Anonymous says:

        Kore, your innocence is refreshing, concerning lol, but refreshing. I respect your point-of-view, and I understand; however, I have met people in life who come across as great but in reality, are extremely cunning and ruthless.

        My motto is: “You never truly know someone until you live with them.”

        I hope you can always keep your point-of-view but honestly, I doubt you will be able to in this world.

        I will not debate with you. Just please try to be more careful.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Baby. So you believed them because I didn’t say anything in my defence? 😀

        @Anon I haven’t been slighted as often as you’d think – given my naiivety, that is. 😉

      • Kore says:

        Twas I

    • Anonymous says:

      Point is, if you make it clear that intimacy isn’t going to happen unless this information is provided/exchanged, 99% of the scammers and time wasters will look elsewhere.

      How about providing the money comes first, not some financial documents of his. Who cares how much money he has since it’s always inversely proportional to how much he is willing to give or spend on his SB. I think the allowance should be given before anything intimate happens, because even if he’s a billionaire, you can’t take his money if he’s a miser.

  122. Anonymous says:

    Escort trick:

    OK ,I am a believer now after many of you ladies mentioned it . I noticed a post on a Blog site that referenced a BP girl traveling from out of state. I matched up her pic with a new listing on SA 3 days before she is to arrive in town. So that is what they do. These travelers open a Profile in the city they are going to be in soon . The key is the new listing. Cross check newbies you like with Back Page or other escort sites in your area .

  123. Another anonymous says:

    @ Jay

    A quick question. If the SD is too busy and cannot meet, sure in an arrangement it is his problem. What about if it is the SB who cannot meet as agreed? How many AWOL or authorised absences should be tolerated?

    • Fundude says:

      Why should he tolerate any?

      If she misses a meet up, then she has to make it up to him on another day.

      I can’t see any guy making an arrangement with a woman unless she has been reliable for a pretty long period of time.

      Giving money in advance will just get him screwed, particularly the older guys.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      That is up to you and your history with that person. If she’s always been reliable you can give her the benefit of the doubt once or twice. But I probably wouldn’t do more than that.

      After all this is supposed to be mutually beneficial. I might understand/sympathize with you but I’d have to end it. If I really like you and enjoyed our time together, I might consider rekindling things once you’ve worked out the issue that was causing the conflict.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Jay and FD

        Personally I think NO AWOLs at all, being busy for whatever reason is understandable but should be followed by a suggestion to make it up at a different time.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I have no issue with that if you both can meet another day and the SD is agreeable than go for it. But the thing is sometimes it makes no difference if she can meet another day or not because the day that was selected was the only day the SD had free. A lot of people have really tight schedules.

      • SDaddy says:

        AWOLs are not acceptable. Excused absences are a different matter . Perhaps one “I forgot” is the limit . After that she obviously doesn’t care .

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I don’t think even one AWOL is acceptable in this day and age there’s no excuse for not contacting someone and letting them know you can’t make it. (unless you’ve been hospitalized and you’re non responsive)

        I sincerely doubt anyone will just forget they had a meet set up especially if it’s a weekly occurrence.

  124. Anonymous says:

    Can you make up your mind “With a Bow on Top”?
    —————————-
    With a Bow on Top says:
    January 5, 2016 at 6:20 am

    If you’re not comfortable with an allowance. Do pay per meets. But NO sex.

    With a Bow on Top says:
    January 5, 2016 at 6:34 am

    Ill say if the arrangement isn’t sexual then no allowance

    • Admirer says:

      She has actually made up her mind. Her definition of “pay per meet” is you two meet, you give her $500, then you both leave on separate ways.
      What part of that don’t you understand? Isn’t that pay per meet? She did not say “pay per sex”.

      • Another anonymous says:

        @ Admirer

        You forget to calculate and reimburse the costs of coming to pick up the $ 500. :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        There are newbies looking for $50-100 as your dinner companion or whatever; it’s higher hourly rate than her job. I have been propositioned that way one time, after I surprised her with a small first-date gift; she wanted that experience repeated a couple more times.

        I turned her down, because a “surprise gift” would be mundane the second time around; I wasn’t in the mood for doubling or tripling the surprise the 2nd time around, as that would only be bidding up against myself for future engagements. Besides, I advised her the best option she had was not in the sugar bowl but getting back with her recently ex- long term boyfriend/fiance, a fairly nerdy but successful guy who cheated on her once. I didn’t want to pay for the privilege of being some entitled princess’ rebound/revenge fuck. I was quite elated to see her profile deactivated a few weeks later. Having to put up with a successful but occasionally cheating husband is a small price to pay for having wasted a fortune getting an SJW degree; life could be a lot worse. Who knows, the beta husband having other options may become a turn-on for her some day and make her marriage stronger. They have my blessings.

      • Admirer says:

        If all they want is to make money going on endless first dates, should they not invent a dating website for that? Oh that’s right! They already did. It’s called What’s Your Price. Perfect for girls who are serial first daters as a full time job but no interest in arrangements at all. These girls should leave SA and move on over there. Go on four $500 first dates a month and that is more than a full time job waitressing at Denny’s.

      • Anonymous says:

        WYP is a sister-site of SA. Some girls can get confused when they are on both sites. Nobody is paying $500 first-date on WYP.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Let me rephrase. If an SB wants an allowance she should be aware that the arrangement will need to involve intimacy unless you honestly could care less and are just looking for a companion to have a strictly platonic relationship with but from experience that is very RARELY the case. My past arrangements, anytime I’ve had an allowance I’ve always been intimate with my SD. I have no interest in “pay-per-whatever arrnagments for sex. If intimacy is clearly a factor an allowance has to be there. That is something I’m not willing to negotiate on. You can order an escort if thats the case.

        So, when I say pay per meet but no sex. If you “enjoy my company” that much but don’t want to commit to an arrangement I would like some sort of compensation for my time I’m not going tot hang out with you for free. Whether its a gift card, a nice gift, a day at the spa, whatever . There is nothing wrong with that. But then you fall into the category of Splenda Daddy for me. I’m not going to dedicate 100% of my time to you. I’m not going to cancel my plans for you. I’m not going to stop what I’m doing because you want something unless my schedule is empty.

        I make someone who is serious about being an Sugar Daddy my priority. Thats the mutually beneficial aspect of being a Sugar Daddy to me. You have my full attention and I hate how it sounds but I’m kind of at your beck and call. If you’re taking care of me the I want to be taken care of I will do the same.

  125. attention seeking whore says:

    with all the attention seeking whores abounding; it makes sense that there’s a hesitancy to post a new blog

  126. elaine says:

    “This site promises them that all they would have to do was to create a half way decent profile and WOMEN/MEN would be all over them, and that’s why they come here to try their luck until reality sets in.”

    Both genders make half decent profiles and both genders are having unrealistic expectations.

    Feeded by ……? 😉

    • WTF says:

      yes Elaine, I have 4-5 instances where we made plans for meet and greet , 1 sb was a no show and no answer to phone or texts , 2 of them cancelled while I am ready to meet at the last moment, was able to meet 2 of them and they were both ready . out of the 2 , 1 sb backed out after the first meet and second one met for the second time for dinner and then proceeding to the room , after dinner she drove away and never showed up to the room lol. the 3 sbs I spoke to who cancelled said the similar thing that this life is not for them. meanwhile I was thinking that I am doing some thing wrong here , but that was not the case all the 5 profiles were inactive were taken down and the girls really decided not to proceed the sugar life.

      • Admirer says:

        A vast majority of the non-pro POT SB’s are really hoping for platonic arrangements only. The marketing has led them to believe that older men will give them thousands of dollars simply for breathing oxygen on this planet. When they realize that is not the reality, they vanish into thin air.

      • Anonymous says:

        Something may indeed be wrong with your approach, my friend. I have met 50 to 100 girls from the site, only 1 no-show, and I suspect that was a fake profile run by another poster here with whom I was having a vehement argument at the time.

        I almost never suggest continuing the initial interview into a hotel room. If the dialogue is to be moved to a hotel room, I let the girl bring it up if she wants to; that led to a couple fairly long term arrangements that lasted over a year each. OTOH my not suggesting it may have cost me a couple candidates who had to drive quite a distance to meet me half way, as they may have thought either I was not attracted to them enough or I was not aggressive enough pursuing them. Such is life.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Admirer

        I don’t agree with the assessment. Most candidates are willing to have honest arrangement. In fact, in all meetings, not a single one was looking for a platonic arrangement.

      • Anonymous says:

        my experience is that 1 out of 3 will cancel at the last minute or no-show. 1 out of 3 won’t be the person portrayed in their profile, and 1 out of 3 times you will be satisfied :)

      • Anonymous says:

        @anon 1:22pm

        With what age group are you trying to arrange?

      • Anonymous says:

        That question was for Anon 1:42pm

  127. Anonymous says:

    @fundude, I have question for you , If you don’t participate in sugar lifestyle and you have a girl friend doesn’t she question your presence on this site because you are here most of the times. she really believes that you are totally committed to her and have not been cheating on her ? or your is an open relationship where you both can engage with different partners? just curious

  128. Bye Felicia says:

    I’ve read a few comments to the effect of SBs outnumbering SDs on this site, but it honestly doesn’t appear to me that way, from what I’ve heard. It appears to me a lot of women here are either professional escorts, non-escorts who are hard-up for cash and looking for a quick/temporary fix and are either willing to venture into escort-ish terrority or just hoping a kind soul will take pity on them, or just looking to scam, or girls who expect that a man will pay them an extraordinarily high amount of money for just friendship.

    And while there are definite problems on the SD side of things as well, I’d venture to guess that the amount of SBs and SDs truly looking for a traditional scenario is probably about equal, really.

    • Admirer says:

      The 8:1 ratio claimed by SA was directed to the male paying members which keeps the website going. If it was the other way around, we would not be having this discussion at all because the site would fold.

      • Bye Felicia says:

        Well not necessarily because females can pay too. What I’m saying is there may be an “8:1” ratio of female profiles to male profiles, but I’m not really getting the sense that a lot of these females are true SBs. In the grand scheme of things, I feel like it’s easier for a female of any intention to get money someone off this site than it is for a male of any intention to get sex from it.

      • Anonymous says:

        And pigs can fly too?

        This site promises them that all they would have to do was to create a half way decent profile and men would be all over them, and that’s why they comes her to try their luck until reality sets in.

    • Anonymous says:

      From what I have seen mostly, non-white less attractive girls are offering an arrangement which involves intimacy. The real hot white ones are looking for top dollars to get down and dirty.

      • Bye Felicia says:

        Is there some reason race was part of that comment? The fact of the matter is that ANY attractive girl, your so-called “10s,” are likely to not actually be after an actual mutually beneficial arrangement, as hot women are used to getting attention/gifts from men in real life without an arrangement. Nature of the beast. Yet those are the girls you tout on this blog.

    • Laurence says:

      Tbh, there are way more SD’s on here than SB’s. Due to the fact SB’s understand the concept of this site and a lot leave once they have a “roster” if you will with a few POT’s meanwhile a lot of of SD’s stay trying to play the field along with a lot of other SD imposers using this site as a typical dating site instead of its intended purposes

      • Bye Felicia says:

        Yes, @Laurence, there are those and then the ones who appear to just want to text endlessly and try to lead you into increasingly more suggestive conversation or to send them pic after pic but aren’t actually serious about meeting, and probably aren’t even willing to be SDs. I think the percentage on both sides of the equation is probably very small, really. I’ve been at this about a week and have learned how to weed certain characters out pretty quickly by now.

      • Anonymous says:

        Very true, Laurence.

      • Anonymous says:

        Interesting perspective from a male “SB.” I can see this site being used as a recruitment tool for building up “a roser” of John’s. Men do not have the natural tendency to make himself only available for the best partner that he can find, so it works well for male pro’s.

        Further proof that prostitutes have long been the original “strong and independent women” that are essentially men with vaginae.

      • TVC15 says:

        Does that mean johns are gay? (Points for”vaginae”)

      • Anonymous says:

        “A roster” of John’s can be gay or hetrosexual male, depending on the gender of the “provider.” We know sugar mommies are as rare as mythical horses shitting rainbow skittles :-)

    • noname says:

      bye felicia ive enjoyed your comments very balanced view of the situation thank you for posting

      • Bye Felicia says:

        Well thank you, @ noname. :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        Felicia has been on the site for only one week, and she already has everything figured out. What does that say about the rest the SB’s who have been here for years without much success finding SD’s?

        Blind leading the blind indeed.

    • ATLSD says:

      In Atlanta there are over 12,000 SB within 50 miles of Atlanta.
      There are 1027 SD within 50 miles.
      Do the math.
      In most descent sized cities SB out number SD 10-12:1 It’s a buyers market for SD in almost every city.

      • Bye Felicia says:

        It’s not a “buyer’s marker” actually, because all I keep hearing are stories of “SB’s” flaking out and trying to get something for nothing. Again, people that are here to scam people out of money, which are going to be a good bit of your “12,000” do not count as “pot SBs.” I feel like this faulty ratio makes SDs falsely confident when the fact of the matter is, the quality women are way less than what you think it is. While the same can be said on the SD side, again, breaking it down in simplistic terms in that women are here for money and men are here for sex, I bet more women here are getting money in any kind of form, than there are men are getting sex.

      • Anonymous says:

        As in most context, the top 20% men get 80% of the sex offered. Let’s use ATLSD’s numbers, say 200 of the 1200 SD’s are arranging with 10,000 of the 12,000 SB’s, perhaps on rotation. Then yes, you are correct, more women (10,000) are getting paid (from time to time) than men (200) are getting sex (almost all the time). Which side do you think has more influence on price?

        It’s all about perspectives :-)

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @ATLSD

        There is at least one sausage city in the USA where the situation is MUCH worse than what you describe for the SD. The saving grace is that there are enough cities in a close proximity to salvage the bad situation. The SD just needs to organize his efforts better (thanks to tips provided by the old school SD’s on the blog).

        “It’s a buyers market for SD in almost every city.”

        This. A SD needs to be aggressive/ruthless in weeding out low quality/entitled/problem SB’s. For many SD’s it is difficult to get into this mindset (it was for me) and I think that this is the true stumbling block many new SD really face.

        SA is a great option for a new SD once he clears this hurdle.

    • Frank95 says:

      Hi Felicia,

      The question of relative numbers of SB vs SD is an important one. If you know what those numbers are in your area, then you can tailor your strategy to suit. That’s a huge advantage to someone, both male or female in negotiations.

      The raw numbers always show a greater number of women vs men in all locations.

      However, as you point out, a lot of those women are not really SB material, altering the ratio a lot. True. By the same token, however, there are lots of guys who aren’t SDs. There’s the young guy who’s just looking for a girlfriend. Or the guys looking for escort alternatives. Or the married guys with no intention of cheating on their wives, but who are working through a mid life crisis by engaging in a cheap on line flirtation. There’s the scammers looking for freebies and photos.

      So, take those out, and the ratio of real SBs to real SDs swings back to favour men.

      Ultimately you just have to look round you in the world. There’s more people who need money, than there are rich people with an excess of money. Why would that be any different here?

      However, as you point out

      • Admirer says:

        Every thousands of girls become legal age after graduating from HS and can join SA. How many millionaires do you think are created every year? There is your ratio right there.

      • Bye Felicia says:

        It would be different here because in most dating sites, men outnumber females. I’m not sure the prospect of monetary gain is changing the game here. While it may draw a huge amount of women who are hoping to sucker a guy out of money, I’ve only heard story after story of “SBs” trying to sucker a guy out of money within the first message. And you don’t have to be a millionaire to be a SD.

      • Anonymous says:

        More than half of SB’s are aged between 18 and 25. The annual SB turn-over rate in any given area is 20-30% if not higher.

        The average millionaire age is 62. Let’s say, 35 to 65 is the meat part of viable age for being an SD. The annual SD turn-over rate is 2-3%. It is practically a non-changing target market for the entire duration of an SB’s career span in the sugar bowl.

        Unless in NYC, an SB quickly runs out of counter-parties to arrangement with in most areas if she is looking for short-term and relatively high dollar amount. I know a guy in my area that offers “6-month” arrangements with relatively high promises ($4-5k/mo). He practically runs a conveyor belt churning out escorts, as the girls typical can not find replacement SD’s matching the number afterwards in order to maintain the same life style.

      • Frank95 says:

        What you say about some women trying to sucker men out of $$ is true. You would have heard it from guys you meet here.

        But similarly, I hear the same complaints from the other side of the fence about guys wanting intimacy for free. Really those are both different sides of the same coin.

        In the end, it’s results that count. If you are right and there’s no excess of genuine women, it will be easy for you to find someone. OTOH, if there are plenty of coeds out there looking for sponsors, it will be easier for the the guys. The coed demographic is real and genuinely bump the ratio up, but they are selective.

      • Bye Felicia says:

        There are guys like that, but there’s really not a lot of incentive for them to come to a website like this to pull that in these days, since there are plenty of other sites and apps like Tinder where that can be accomplished. Conversely, there’s more incentive for women of questionable intentions to come to a site specifically offering to connect them with men of means.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        ” If you are right and there’s no excess of genuine women, it will be easy for you to find someone.”

        @Frank I actually disagree with you there. It actually makes it harder for the genuine SBs to make matches. SDs will end up spending a lot of time messaging, vetting, meeting flakes and scammers. In the end it hurts both sides and make it harder for the genuine people on both sides to find each other.

        This is the discussion we always have is it really better to have 12,000 SBs and having to filter through all of that or would it be better to have 2,000 genuine SBs to choose from. Quality over quantity.

      • Bye Felicia says:

        @Jaybird…yes, exactly. I’ve had guys who seemed to have fallen off the radar reinitiate contact and explain that they’re getting inundated with messages so mine got lost in the shuffle. And a lot of these messages are coming from women with real or imaginary financial woes. THAT is what makes it harder for a true SB to connect.

      • Anonymous says:

        Tinder? Have you seen old guy offering money on Tinder?

        OTOH, if a wealthy guy who has very steeply declining Utility Curve and is only turned on by new partners, and not caring about what happens to the girls afterwards, would find making higher dollar mount promises on this site very useful. I suspect that’s precisely the reason why some guys offer unusually high dollar amounts to near-strangers (assuming they are not scamming to begin with). The Tumblrite inspirations feed the girls right into that buzz saw.

        IMHO, if you have a requirement above “Moderate” or even the upper limit of “Practical,” you need to rationalize your budget outlay before getting on the sugar-bowl in most parts of the country. Sugar is a fairly thin market in most places; there is not enough market-depth to absorb that kind of entry for long.

        While high payouts are possible after the two people get to know each other and oxytocin does funny things to the man and opens up his wallet, most sensible men do not grossly overpay when dealing with near-strangers. Initial promises that are way above the market tend to indicate that the person has no intention of fulfilling that promise for long.

      • Bye Felicia says:

        What I was saying re: Tinder is that guys just looking for sex have no real incentive to try to use a niche website like this when there are apps like that in existence. Thus, it wouldn’t really follow that the same proportion of men trying to scam girls are here as opposed to girls trying to scam men.

    • Bob says:

      Just another point to keep in mind – I have come across multiple profiles for the same SB, usually spread over a period of time. The maximum I found for one SB was 5 profiles. This will also skew the stats. I don’t know if SD’s do the same, but I’m sure some would.

      • Admirer says:

        Don’t forget all the fake profiles created by either sex so they can “check out the competition”.

  129. ks says:

    After a while of being a SB you might be loosening up so you might need one of these smartphone connected kegels… {http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/05/ohmibod-lovelife-krush/}

  130. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    For a good number of people in the world, how you say something is more important than what you say. For them carrier is more important than content.

    Surprised? Don’t be…

  131. Laurence says:

    These posts on here really aren’t insightful, and are just over run with anonymous trolls. I now see why my fellow SB’s just include me in group chats.. These posts can really be detrimental to a beginniner. But to the ones who are genuine & want to help you guys are appreciated. Any SB’s especially of color or LGBT community that see’s this message me for tips or questions. I’ll be more than happy to assist! Have a blessed day all

    • Anonymous says:

      The usual suspects try to overrun this blog with garbage posts, but don’t be discouraged. Try to share useful stories, information or any question you might have and some of us sensible, experienced sugar bloggers will surely answer them.

  132. Anonymous says:

    Platonics all the way!

    eb012f331

  133. Anonymous says:

    I propose SB should be “compensated for her time” at her current job rate. I do not mind paying for a dinner date at 12$/hour. I am not sure how her time suddenly becomes so pricey once she is on a date with a SD…

    • Anonymous says:

      If they are driving, gas money. If they have a babysitter, the babysitter’s rate money. If they need transport to return, cab money.
      No more than that is needed, in my personal opinion. Some claim to need money for makeup, hair and all of that, but to me it’s not necessary.

    • Kore says:

      You are paying for a cheap escort if either one of you sees your time together as a job.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore,

        I think they are talking about initial interview(s), at arms-length, not recurring intimacy after the two have commenced an arrangement.

      • Kore says:

        Compensating for her time at a meet and greet?..

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes, Kore, I believe that’s what they were talking about, platonic M&G / initial interview. Jay gave a good reason below why the answer should always be no to such request.

      • Kore says:

        Huh. Guess I thought he was talking about them getting paid as much as their work and that they demanded more during the actual date.

        I don’t think M&Gs should be compensated for. I’ve mentioned before that the SB should figure out transport herself and be ready to pay half the bill unless he insists on where to meet.

      • noname says:

        ho kore were the holidays good

      • noname says:

        hi not ho still sleepy

      • Kore says:

        Hehe. They were nice, @noname. I hope your holidays as well? :)

      • noname says:

        i had a good holiday kore thank you

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Because she doesn’t really want to be there. In her mind she’s doing you a favor by giving you her time because you’re old and desperate and the only way you could ever hope to get a hot young like her is to pay. Avoid the ones who ask for gifts and money to meet you.

      • Josh says:

        Correct. They want the money because they hate your guts. Why even bother with them?

      • Bye Felicia says:

        Ha. I agree. I think asking for money to meet is tacky, myself.

      • elaine says:

        @ Jay

        I would say; avoid the ones that “don’t really want to be there.”

        Which is not a simple task if you want to date hot girls your (grand) daughters age.
        Because in most young girls minds they will ALWAYS be doing a favor when giving their time to a man > 30y her senior. (Ok, unless you look like George C.)

        So not only SBs, but also SDs have to keep their expectations realistic.

        It is reasonable to reimburse her travel and babysittercosts for a first meet, not her presence!
        You want something from her, she wants something from you.
        Then the least both should invest for free is time.

      • Admirer says:

        The SB would argue that in real life the old fat bald guy would not even have a chance to have lunch or dinner with someone way out of their league in the first place. The SB has the looks. The SD has the money. Something has to give. Kinda like an infinite force against an immovable object sort of thing.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Elaine I’d have to disagree. In spite of a 30 year age difference. If the girl knows and understands that by having you in her life she will greatly benefit (tuition, rent, savings) then she wants to be there because she knows there are thousands of girls on the site and very few real SDs.

        She knows and understand that she’s not really doing you a favor. Her doing you a favor would be offering “companionship” with no expectation of any compensation.

        It’s not hard to find women to sleep with for money but it is hard to find a man of means who’s willing to provide for you long term no matter what age he is. Hopefully that makes sense I’m on my phone trying to keep it short.

      • elaine says:

        @ Jay

        “I would say; avoid the ones that “don’t really want to be there.”
        “Which is not a simple task”

        I didn’t say there are NO girls that genuinely want to be with an older guy.
        I know you are and I was one myself in my younger days.
        I would have wanted my actual SD also when I was 20 y. younger!

        I just said that it is no simple task to find them!
        And, let’s be honest, they go for the charming and good looking ones!

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Sorry I think something got lost in translation. my last post wasn,t about her being into older guys it was about if she’s smart then she realizes that she’s not doing him a favor by being young and hot. Young and hot girls are a dime a dozen but genuine SDs are not. If anything a genuine SD should be the one asking for a fee for meet and greats. :-))

      • Kore says:

        @Elaine “It is reasonable to reimburse her travel and babysittercosts for a first meet, not her presence!”

        I completely agree. It comes across as desperate.

      • Kore says:

        Well, almost – I think the way there and back should be covered for safety reasons. Within the city, I wouldn’t ask – outside, I would since it’s a show of my responsibility to make myself available. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to have travel costs covered by the SD then and half the time, they offer before my having to ask.

  134. Fundude says:

    I propose a “shunning” of my comments by TVC, Jaybird, etc.

    Please do so.

    Thanks

  135. Josh says:

    What will happen to soap operas if people stopped watching them? There will be less of them on TV.

    I agree with frank. If people stopped feeding the drama, there will be less of it on the blog.

    • Fundude says:

      Since I refrained from posting yesterday, I have seen mostly drama and unproductive discussions.

      I am going to refrain from posting again for most of today. Lets see how things progress around here. Going to test that theory to see if things “improve” without me commenting in terms of intelligent discussion.

      The most reasonable posts so far have been about the 30s SD not having to pay an allowance by Frank of all people (which is basically the exact same thing I’ve been saying).

      Haven’t seen any other really productive conversations.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @FunDude

        @Frank95 is stating the obvious. Most SB’s I have met are WELL aware of the situation @Frank95 describes.

        I notice that none of the blog @SB’s have been flooding the blog with advice or talk of existing/past arrangements. I was expecting a wonderful new blog…

      • Anonymous says:

        People shouldn’t share existing of past arrangement’s details as it lacks taste, and as Rembolder has noticed, it’s also quite risky, so why bother?

  136. Frank95 says:

    To get back on topic. Ha.

    For finally legal SBs.

    Here you are, starting college or a career and need money.

    You were the most popular girl in high school, so it will be easy to get a thirty something handsome millionaire at your leisure, right?

    The advertising images show a 30s looking guy. So it must be right? Advertisers never fib do they?

    You get on site, and you get lots of hits…just like school. So, relax, take your time and choose at leisure. Right?

    Now comes the reality check. First, thirty something guys with that sort of money to spend on you are unicorns. Any guy that ahe eith a good job is mortgaged up to the hilt buying property. Even $20k per year would buy him an investment property. His folks, and competing with his work peers will be making s sure of that.

    Nope, those guys will be looking at meeting women and bedding them for free…because they can. If they are on site at all, they are looking to see you for free too. Many of them pretending they have more free money flow than they do.

    But you’re getting lots of messages, lots of interest just like at high school, that’s evidence that you can pick and choose, right? Uh uh. There’s typically four women to every guy, so, unlike in high school, where the guys were hovering round you, and you alone, here they have four women each to hit up. You miss out, you lose. They miss out on one woman, they have three more to choose from.

    Piece of advice number 1. The number of real guys in their 30s who can afford to pay an allowance is so small, that the queue for their attention stretches tound five city blocks.

    Number two. After chatting on line, go all out for a meeting over coffee or lunch…no private time…no obligation. Once you have him on a meeting like that, the ratio is one to one. Those are the best odds you ever get in the Sugar bowl, and his worst.

    Uh uh!

    • Anonymous says:

      Love it Frank, thank you! Finally a reasonable post.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        I second that. When we are actually getting straight to the point of these blogs. It’s definitely a breath of fresh of air.

      • elaine says:

        Yes @Frank is contributing with some very useful posts!

        Thanks Frank. :-)

      • Admirer says:

        I agree with Frank. I see lots of profiles stating “no one over 40”. I wonder how successful these SB’s are? But I see some really hot profiles specifically stating “no one under 45” also.
        Age is inversely proportional to disposable income in most cases.

    • Fundude says:

      Sounding like me Frank. You’re going to scare some of the SBs on here lol

      Except I don’t agree with the “mortgaged” to the hilts part.

      The 30s guy doesn’t want to pay because he DOESN’T have to in most cases or pay nominal amounts.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        No he doesn’t sound like you

      • Fundude says:

        The content of that post was identical to my previous comments about younger SDs.

      • Anonymous says:

        Jay, aren’t we in the shunning mode?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Identical only to you. Take a look at the post to his comments. Notice something different? No reread his post until you figure out the proper way to share information/opinions. And yesterday was a good day once without you once you stopped posting as anonymous.

        The issue was never the ability to discuss sugar topic we never stick to those for long on the blog. The problem was you intentionally stirring up trouble. The problem was you inserting manufactured quotes into every conversation so you could push your agenda and cause trouble. Read the post from yesterday and see if you can see the difference in how everyone interact with each other when you aren’t there.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Are we? Sorry I’ll commence with the shunning now

      • Fundude says:

        LOL please commence the shunning

      • Gapit88 says:

        As a 34 year old user of this site I’m going to lean towards Fundude on this part. At my age and where I am in business this site just makes my life easier. I could spend an extra hour a day on POF or some other site and get the same “action” but women are more cut and dry here. To the point. Saves me time and money at the end of the day. I spend less time and money on fluff dates. We cut to the chase faster. The women are better looking. However as mentioned by fundude I’m not big on spending large amounts of money on anyone I’m not in a serious relationship with. I am open about this with women on here I talk to and that hasn’t stopped me from dating the same women. Some do flat out say “Thanks, but no thanks” but I think nature has it that at the end of the day women on here like any other site want security first and fore most and long term security is a good option.

      • TVC15 says:

        Thanks @Jay

    • Fundude says:

      Why would he put all of his FCF into real estate at these inflated prices and artificially low interest rates?

      We’re at the peak of the real estate bubble again.

      Besides that, reasonable post.

      • Anonymous says:

        Most people have to take on mortgage to buy RE. Even if one bought at the bottom of the market a few years ago, the mortgage is still on-going. Even the worst RE decline is not going to be a zero-return (not just on capital but OF capital) like money spent on pure “entertainment” would be. At the prevailing interest rate over the past half decade, every $1000/mo cash flow translates to about $200k to $250k capitalization, depending on local property tax rate.

      • Fundude says:

        If you bought at the height of the 2006 bubble, you are only starting to make money on paper without considering expenses, taxes, etc.

        This was true of the NY real estate market sales at the peak of 2006 to now.

        Buying at the wrong time is very costly with holding costs, taxes, etc.

      • SSSD says:

        Idiots who buy at bubble tops can not afford sugar; frankly, they deserve to be eliminated from the gene pool: not physical deaths to them, but gene deaths to them so future children don’t have to suffer such idiocy. Women are the ones who have to do a good job of culling such idiots from the gene pool.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Frank What you’ve said makes sense – but wha

      • Kore says:

        t makes you think that they care? I have a feeling they’d rather take their changes with relatively young, “fun,” etc SDs.

      • Anonymous says:

        Am I the only who disregards most of these young “sd’s”? I am 21 but I still don’t see the 32 year old ‘daddy’ as an SD. To me that is just a person I could date without an allowance.

  137. DJ_SEVENYSEVEN says:

    I am fairly new here. I have not been getting a lot of responses, especially from younger SB’s, I am not sure whether it is something I say or these young (18-21) year old’s are just hesitant, inexperienced girls who are just window shopping and not wanting anything serious or just simply afraid. I usually tell them upfront that I am looking to hang out once a week and if chemistry is right, more. I sometimes suggest I will compensate for each time we hang out, sometimes not.

    I usually send something along the lines of:

    “Hi, Happy New Year. I think you and I share similar interests. Check out my profile. I will be upfront and tell you that I am looking for someone I can hang out with once a week at least and with whom I have, not just a physical, but intellectual connection as well. If interested, let’s meet up for dinner and see if we are a good match.”

    Is it normal that most young ones just don’t reply? Also, can someone take a look at my profile and let me know if something is off, any suggestions how to improve?

    Also, what would be a fair offer for a single meet? I do not wish to pay allowance but rather pay for each time we have intimate encounter. Escorts in my area are asking anywhere from 200 to 500 per hour and they are pretty hot.

    my handle is @dj_seventy7 thanks

    • Admirer says:

      Your pre-tax annual income of 150K is probably turning of a lot of the young ones with glitter and glimmer in their eyes. These women are on Tumblr and IG where the supposed SD’s are raking in 1M+ per year.

    • elaine says:

      Tried to take a look, but no one appears in my search with this id…

      • noname says:

        elaine did the 200 to 500 a hour sound attractive to you i saw his post last night its clear he’s looking for a escort type service so i didn’t comment on it for sure there is lots of women on this site that will provide this to him but if its just sex for money i wouldn’t be bother with this site

      • elaine says:

        @Noname

        “elaine did the 200 to 500 a hour sound attractive to you”

        What do yo mean?
        If I personally would find 200 to 500 an hour attractive?

        I wouldn’t know, as a rate per hour is too far from own my sugar reality.
        But hey! An usual overnight meeting with my SD at a 200 to 500 hour rate would become VERY attractive!

        For that “price” I will even further refrain from kicking him when he snores. 😉
        Heck! I will start applauding instead! LOL

        PS. I only wanted to see his profile because he asked for advice, not because I was interested.

      • noname says:

        i know this was not of interest to you i was just surprised you would even bother looking at that and what advice would you give him how to be a better john its obvious he ‘s not interested in being a sugar daddy

      • elaine says:

        Well, didn’t really had the “John” vibe with this guy, as he mentioned to look for “not just a physical, but intellectual connection as well.”

        Was curious and wanted to learn more by reading his profile, thought he might just be a newbie. :-)

      • noname says:

        ok ill accept that argument im willing to give anyone the benefit of a doubt thats not the impression i got though

      • DJ_SEVENYSEVEN says:

        my handle is

        dj_seventy7 why can’t you see it?

    • Anonymous says:

      I sometimes suggest I will compensate for each time we hang out, sometimes not.

      Maybe they are not looking to be treated like escorts.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        I would have to definitely agree. You are going to find some slightly more experienced SBs who are only going to want an arrangement that is allowance based. So pay-per-meets are definitely going to turn them off.

        I don’t like the idea of pay-per-meets myself. It just rubs me the wrong way.

        I would say avoid discussion of anything financial until you actually meet in person. Then if you feel as though you two “click” then bring it up.

        For me discussing arrangements and money before meeting someone for the first time never really works. Plus, you might change your mind on how you want to approach sugaring as well depending on your experience with the right person.

      • Anonymous says:

        Women want to be compensated EVERY time they hang out with you.
        As for allowance – consider this. Say, you gave her 2000 on the first. She is active on SA, still getting offers. Once she gets another offer, she is gone. If you are lucky, she won’t get another offer for a couple of weeks. If she does, she stops answering her phone and you never see her. Or maybe she just changed her mind and found a love of her life…she stops answering the phone and you will never see her. Nor your money.
        But than again, if you are “a real SD” 2k is a pocket change, right?

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon below
        You missed the point, it’s not whether they want to be compensated for every time they hang out with you, it’s about not wanting pay per meets and all these new concepts which some men seem to really like.

      • Anonymous says:

        You missed the point. Women will always want money upfront. it is up to you whether you want to take that risk. Until you lose some good chunk of change, u r welcome to try…

      • Anonymous says:

        Hasn’t the sugar lifestyle been created and evolved on the concept of allowances? When did these per meets and hourly rates come to our senses, maybe it’s because of the large number of escorts who use this site

      • Anonymous says:

        No, just basic psychology. If you give money upfront, she spends it in a few days, but still has to see you. That makes her…unmotivated. If she is getting something every time she sees you, that makes her motivated.

      • Anonymous says:

        No just basic fear of having her run off. Now let’s try some reverse psychology. If you see her, and she likes you very much and you treat her right, and she feels that you are a great SD, then she will want to see more of you, and not stop seeing you. That makes her motivated.

      • Anonymous says:

        It is your money…you want to do it – do it. Every time I gave money upfront, I lost them. Even with people who seemed pretty reliable. What will most likely happen, she will say “you are a great guy, I love to see more of you, but I really need another 1k to pay the rent…can you help me out?”

      • Anonymous says:

        U missed the point about her spending the money. So as far as she is concerned, u r no longer a source of money unless you are willing to pony up more, on top of “allowance”. Otherwise, no matter how great of a SD you are, she has to replace you, to generate income.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Obviously if that “supposed SB” follows up with the response “you are a great guy, I love to see more of you, but I really need another 1k to pay the rent…can you help me out?” obviously she’s using you. If you fall for that it is your fault.

        Thats why sticking to your gut and trusting your instincts is important. Have your bullshit meter on at all times. Read between the lines. If things don’t make sense. Next her. Go on several dates during the screening process.

        If she’s stuck it out long enough after 3-5 dates with at least some compensation after the 3rd date. She’s all in I think. But keep in mind an SB isn’t going to go on free dates after a certain point. If you aren’t shelling out something during these 3-5 dates. She will bail.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Keep in mind I’m not talking allowances just the initial dates. Don’t do an allowance unless you’re sure she’s going to stay.

      • Anonymous says:

        You don’t see many real SDs claiming the SB should get her allowance at the end of the month, right? Why shouldn’t she just trust the SD like the SBs are suggesting the SD should. Better yet, why not halfway through the month? Each has a 50:50 risk then. I used to pay half upfront, but now it is pay-per-meet for the first two months. I am done being burned. I’ve never had an SB cancel on a pay-per-meet. But when paying upfront, it is amazing the number of family members that suddenly die, PMS, cramps, called into work, my bf found out, etc etc etc.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Look at it this way business deals go bad sometimes and as an SD thats part of the gamble. Its sucks. I know. As an SB starting out. I made my mistakes. Took a “SD” at his word. I’ve learned the hard way actions speak louder than words. If you’re not comfortable with an allowance. Do pay per meets. But NO sex.

      • Anonymous says:

        If you are paying her anything before panties hit the floor, u r an idiot. If she got 200 for dinner dates, she will want 1k for real ones.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’ve never advocated SDs hand over a full allowance up front at that point that person is still a stranger. I wouldn’t hand a contractor all his money before the work is completed so why would you do it with a SB. My objection to the OP is not that he doesn’t want to do an allowance but the fact that he’s comparing SBs to escorts. Anyone who comes here with that mentality should stick to escorts. Just like the women who post on here saying they deserve this much allowance because escorts make x amount of money. If the understand the subtle difference between what makes this lifestyle different from escorting you should stick to escorting.it’ll be easier for you and less disappointing.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Ill say if the arrangement isn’t sexual then no allowance

      • Anonymous says:

        We have discussed this before Anon, I assume you are pretty new here. I think we discussed it when a former blogger had a bad experience and shared it with us. Simple answer is: money can be returned/intimacy cannot.

      • Anonymous says:

        Money CAN be returned. But it will not be returned. We both know it, do we?

      • Anonymous says:

        Not true, for the most part if a scammer you didn’t really vet through and got to you, won’t return it, but we had some success stories where a SD shared it on an older blog about someone who returned his money, so not all hope is lost. Have a good day!

      • SDaddy says:

        @Anon
        “when paying upfront, it is amazing the number of family members that suddenly die, PMS, cramps, called into work, my bf found out, etc etc etc.”

        I even had one whose aunt died twice ! She forgot she already used that one .

    • Fundude says:

      At 200-500 dollars/meet, I don’t see you having a problem finding women.

      You have to give more information about your descriptors for us to make an accurate assessment of your situation.

    • Anonymous says:

      Escorts in my area are asking anywhere from 200 to 500 per hour and they are pretty hot.

      With this mentality you are getting nowhere.

      • Anonymous says:

        Precisely. Escort has to do it professionally with most ugly people, risk the disease and she is not counting on seeing you again. While SB will see the guy she likes, you can sort out STD issue and u will see her every week, treat to dinners and maybe even pick her up from the club when she had too much to drink. So…it is up to you if you want to pay an SB escort money…

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Stick to escorts and leave the SBs alone. they are in your budget and you think they are hot.

  138. Josh says:

    Re: @Jay = @Kenna?

    If @Jay = @Kenna then I have respect for the person behind the two monikers to create two distinctly different blog personas.

    Both of them have been accused to be @Josh’s proxies at one time or the other. 😉

  139. Laurence says:

    Hey guys, ive had pretty good success with this site in regards of finding potential SD’s but as of lately ive been getting very sexually suggestive messages as introductions. And im just wondering what about my profile screams sex? feedback would be great lol..im not discourage just a bit confused..nothing in my profile is overly sexualized.

    • Anonymous says:

      go to the gay sugar blog

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        You could try using your profile pic as one of your private photos, and see if you get different results. Your profile text isn’t suggestive, but I can see why some might lust over your main photo. Pelvic line and such. Ultimately though, anyone worth talking to will approach you tactfully.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        Also, please disregard anonymous above.

        Welcome to the circus.

  140. Another Anonymous says:

    @Test

    As I have mentioned before, I do have two SBs and I am off the market. But complaining about small number of POT SB among bloggers is frequent here. So I just provided my general assessment of the blogettes.

  141. Test says:

    For example – Washington DC has 4k SBs w/photos, and another 1k without photos. It would take some more work to figure out how many are “active” though since some of these may not have logged on for years.

    • Test says:

      Clarification – that is within 10 miles of DC.

      So – how many SDs do you think there are in the same area?

    • Josh says:

      If you go by SA’s numbers, then you should expect 1,000 SD in the same geographical area. 4,000:1,000 = 4:1

      • Test says:

        ok – so now it will be interesting if a SB (or someone who has taken the time to set up a fake female profile to check out the competition) would do us a favor and check that # with a quick search.

        More importantly, can the search show how many are “premium” members?

      • Test says:

        …and I don’t mean this as a slight against “standard” members. I’ve been on the site on and off for a couple of years and frequently go back to “standard” when I have stabilized relationships or a long list of phone #s to follow up on for potSBs.