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When to Bring Up Intimacy
  • Posted Dec 14, 2015

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We all know why you’re here. At some point you probably want to have sex with a hot girl who you might never have met otherwise. I get it. But there is a certain amount of tact that goes along with exactly when to bring up intimacy.

Understandably, you’re on the site because you don’t want the strings and restrictions that come with traditional relationships. Most women on SA are busy starting their own lives, so that mentality is fine. However, that does not excuse you from assuming women will respond favorably to sexual advances before you’ve met.

So when does the sex start?

Similarly to how you want to get to know her before you start spoiling, she wants to learn about you, hopefully that you’re a good man, before deciding if she’ll sleep with you. It’s bad form to ask in messages if she will have sex with you, and even more degrading (and not to mention illegal) to offer her a set amount for sex.

It is okay to ask if she’s comfortable being intimate at some point. Some Sugar Babies are not interested in sex, though they do have other value to add to someone’s life. I know it’s a revolutionary idea: to think that women have something to offer other than their bodies. Believe it, friend. Women on SA, just like everywhere else, want you to prove your worth before getting in her pants.

But then… when does the sex happen?

Each arrangement is different. Some people will hit it off right away and want to rip each other’s clothes off. For most, it should come a bit later when you’re both sure it’s the right move. Blatantly begging for sex has a similar effect as a desperate Sugar Baby begging for money; it’s not good form and will not lead to a lasting arrangement.

Sex should be an aspiration, not an expectation. The relationship should feel real and not forced, and intimacy should evolve naturally.

One more thing: do not use offensive and overtly sexual references when communicating with Sugar Babies. They are no more responsive to that behavior than any other woman. That means keeping the dick pics to yourself, gentlemen.

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1,177 Responses to “When to Bring Up Intimacy”

  1. Robert says:

    The market is very different per location. However so is each SB. The higher end ladies say in Vegas, have rules regarding the mention of money, in fact it’s a huge faux pa to do so. The market is extremely different per location. A beautiful S.B. say in a Mid-West location, doesn’t have the same expectations as high-end S.B.’s in Los Angeles. I have to say, I have had the best luck with S.B’s in Las Vegas. Beautiful girls from all over the country are in Vegas.

  2. Lauren says:

    How do I word an intimate arrangement for a financial benefit without it being classed at illegal?

  3. Sweet Annie says:

    Thank you for these informative posts, very helpful! Very impressed with what you do.. very professional

  4. Girlie1231 says:

    Hi,
    I am seeking an arrangement in the Houston TX area.. Come on in lets have a heart to heart :)

  5. SweetYoungNatalia says:

    It should be natural and not feel forced. Of course there should be some type of attraction. Be grateful for having such an awesome SD.

  6. Anonymous says:

    “However, that does not excuse you from assuming women will respond favorably to sexual advances before you’ve met.”

    Great line. Let’s rewrite it…

    However, that does not excuse you from assuming men will respond favorably to financial advances before you’ve met.

  7. Anonymous says:

    It all depends on the market and the area where you are. In Boston you would not find anyone below 500. But I also lived in Texas. There, if you put in your profile 500/date, you better get a broom and be prepared to use it…you will have to ask SA for an extra space in your message box, for sure.

    • Anonymous says:

      Even for Boston, 400 or 300 per meet are quite common if meeting regularly, like once every week. I even had one who wanted only 500 per month (half her rent at the time), then some incidental pocket money less than 100 from time to time, working out to be less than 1000 per month for meeting once a week, not counting eating out expense etc.. She was a legit A student enrolled full time at one of the top universities in the country, on full scholarship. There was a degree of genuine mutual attraction, so it was more like with a helpful boyfriend for her.

      500 seems to be the common rate that Boston SB’s ask for trying out intimacy for the first time with a new SD, usually after a successful platonic first date or two. I agree lower income areas would probably ask for much less, whereas NYC likely higher. The typical going rate for a month is probably comparable to 1-bedroom apartment rental cost in the area plus perhaps a little more if the age difference is more than double; with 1/3 to 1/2 due for trying out, just in case the SD disappears after first time.

      • Natalie says:

        I find it interesting to know that there is something of a “market rate.” I always thought it was negotiated based on the dynamic between the SD/SB. In my case, my SD made a generous offer and I accepted it without trying to negotiate something higher. I thought it was fair and left it at that.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Natalie

        You had the right approach. The focus should be on whether the two people are compatible or even (we can hope) attracted to each other. Some degree of implied “market rate” exists because landlords and employers in the area compete against each other, resulting in relatively comparable “needs” among SB’s of the same age group in the early 20’s, when career choices have not yet had a significant differentiating effect on income.

        In that situation, putting too much emphasis on negotiating price would be a waste of time, as numbers significantly higher or lower than the implied steady-state “market rate” would lead to one of the parties quitting after a while because they can get better deals elsewhere.

      • Anonymous says:

        You are correct. There are no market rates in the United States of Transylvania.

      • Natalie says:

        It might be a naive approach, but I try to avoid thinking about what I am worth. I’d rather not be a commodity. I look at it more as if he is showing his appreciation for our time together. Sure, I know, I’m rationalizing.

      • Anonymous says:

        If you were an Indian or a Chinese person your parents would disown you in a heartbeat.

  8. Jaybird923 says:

    IG Post….

    “How can I make myself seem more intelligent, to sugar daddies in general? People say that I’m smart, but I have ADHD which makes it hard to focus and retain information. I’m also a lazy person, who doesn’t try that hard in school and I don’t read books or keep up that much on politics or current events! I want to be more motivated and put together for myself mainly but I know real sugar daddies want girls with a brain who knows how to use it.”

    Advice anyone?

    • Kore says:

      Setting an alarm for meds.

    • Anonymous says:

      WOWWW. I never knew creatures like this existed, but apparently they do. Especially that last sentence ‘girls with a brain who knows how to use it’ sends a shiver down my spine.

    • SDaddy says:

      LOL -As long as she looks good and is willing to take care of me I am good . I have work and home to satisfy my intellectual cravings. I need an SB to take care of my physical ones . I suspect most red blooded men are on board with this . Having said that,I wouldn’t want someone just plain dumb no matter how good she looks .

      • Anonymous says:

        What a disgusting person. Why not try backpage while you’re at it. There are plenty of those who are willing to satisfy you ‘physically’ and have an IQ of 1.

      • TVC15 says:

        At least she is aware of the importance of brains and is trying to improve herself. That’s better than some.

      • Anonymous says:

        @SDaddy

        They don’t bother to read. Blurting shit out is good enough.

  9. SD experience in numbers says:

    Sugar Sites Business Models

    My latest SB search was done on this site, and the previous one was done on another site (sugardaddie) years ago. Here is how I see the business models of these two sites.

    Seeking Arrangement
    [Focus on *steady* SD members for revenue]:

    A lot of posters here complained about the SA publicity that raises SB expectations and lowers the quality of the SB’s in spite of increasing their numbers. They also point out that this is bad business practice since SB’s do not pay for membership while SD’s do. I actually believe this is a smart business approach, and here is why.

    Genuine SD’s are likely to be paying members for a relatively short time, since most will stop after they find their SB. The Johns are the ones who are likely to keep paying since they are continuously on the hunt. Catering to Johns is easier since their threshold for quality is lower than that of a genuine SD, so you just need to up the numbers of SB’s and it’s all good. Pretty much like a strip club that focuses on recruiting the girls and the rest will take care of itself.

    Of course, there are the legal disclaimers that are necessary to protect the site, but in reality the Johns are the bulk of the business. The downside for genuine SD’s is that they have to sort through a lot of POTs and be constantly on the outlook for red flags in order to get a genuine SB rather than fall for an escort in disguise.

    Sugardaddie
    [Focus on legitimate SB/SD members]:

    On face value, that sounds like a good policy. However, the “discipline” that the site applied in order to achieve that went far beyond what is needed, and as a result made them drop from the #1 SD site to a distant second at best, even though their membership fee is one third of that of SA. Here are some mistakes they made.

    1. Strict editing of the profiles went beyond what would make the profiles legitimate and into petty stuff like taking out smileys and such.

    2. They now do not allow covered faces in the profile pictures (even for SD’s). Probably more of the same strict mentality to reduce catfishing, but the reality is that this drove many legitimate SD’s who have something to lose (including myself) away.

    3. The SB’s have to pay, probably to avoid multiple or non-serious profiles. While there is merit to this, this increased the threshold for financially challenged SB’s and, as a result, reduced the pool of available SB’s (who can communicate).

    4. They refused to allow a “premium” membership for SD’s that allows them to communicate with non-paying SB’s. Together with point 3 above, this made more than half the communication to SB’s fall on e-deaf ears.

    5. For the longest time, they disallowed SB’s under 21. A bit of a false morality attitude that cost them a good fraction of the prime SB market and made lying about age a standard practice.

    Just my 2 cents, or perhaps 10 cents since this is a long post.

    • Anonymous says:

      Astute observations about Johns looking for low quality women here as a genuine SD would stop looking and stop the membership once he has found his SB, at least for the duration of the arrangement. Not to say that the genuine SDs are monogamous. But even if he has a limit of 3, he will stop at three until one or more of them disappear.

    • Anonymous says:

      good analysis don see the point thou may be do a comparison chart to get the point across and add sugardadiefor me too in there

  10. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Anonymous

    Sure I did, but my phone did not. If I answer from the phone, this is what I get.

  11. Another Anonymous says:

    @ WaBoT

    You are a good sport. Good luck with your date. :-)

  12. Another Anonymous says:

    @ WaBoT

    He bought you a dress and a pair of heels for the meet and greet? Actually I need some unicorn hair. Can you get it for me?

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      I’ll see what the sugar gods have up their sleeves.

      • Anonymous says:

        Bow, if you didn’t make that up yourself (and I’m not saying you did) then that guy is full of shit. The dress and shoes are just (very transparent) dangling carrots.

        The sugar gods and goddesses are indeed cruel and take sport in such recreation.

        Stay safe

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Hahah believe me I will. If the date fails. I’ve got a new dress and shoes.

      • Kore says:

        It matches up with him offering 1000$/meet, doesn’t it? I think @Bow will be telling us how it went and I’m curious to know as well.. Until then, I wouldn’t heavily lean to thinking one way or the other.
        Some SDs on the blog have mentioned that they do presents on M&Gs to show that they are serious.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes, how can a bottle of perfume, or a spa gift certificate be considered fantasy?

    • Anonymous says:

      I always take all my dates on the helicopter date to Paris for a Meet and Greet. The pilot drops them on Champs-Elysees for some shopping, so they can get whatever shoes, bags, underwear they need. A black limo collects them and brings them to dinner…Isn’t that what everybody else does? Sorry, I am out of the loop, clearly…

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Well then you’re the unicorn. I do believe I saw that on 7 Deadly Sins on their Greed Episode when they featured Seeking Arrangements.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes you are out of the loop. We have been collecting them on a helicopter still. Dinner is optional too.

        They can just send us photos of what they bought, only if they have time to do that. It could be hard to actually engage with SDs.

      • Miss Buffy says:

        Wow,I want to party with you! Iwould love to find a sd like you! Please check out my profile, I guarantee you will not be disappointed! I look very young for my age, but all I seem to find are “lookers”! Thinking about changing things up, which leads to a question, how do I search for sugar mama’s on my smartphone? I have tried to re-vamp my search, and come up with nothing. HELP! Anonymous you sound like a fabulous sd &any baby would be lucky to be with you, even if it’s only 1 date! Be sitos!

  13. With a Bow on Top says:

    I guess the e-mail I received from one of SAs male “SDs” was a bit too crass for the blogs eyes. Since It was removed. But it does clearly show that these types of messages are received and many of its members are not quite as gentlemanly or lady like as they would like to promote.

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      Ill repost again with some “CENSORs” in place.

      “Just to repeat I Seek long term Friendship. Fun. No drama. Respect you. Mentor you. Occasional surprise gifts. Shop. 3000 cash monthly. If skip shop add another 500cash monthly Meet 2-3 times monthly. Travel if you can but not mandatory of course. With chemistry Pleasure you with my tongue and, well, huge 8 3/4″ CENSORED. Basically great friends.”

      • Anonymous says:

        I am not really sure…what is your point?
        What is the problem? If you take him at his word, he offers you over 1k/per meet. Yes, maybe he is not very glib with words, but he ponies up a good deal of money. If you have offers for 2k/meet, you can ignore him.
        Or you can go with an English professor who will charm you with poems and offer you 150/date. It is up to you.

      • Anonymous says:

        I suspect she just invented it, to make a story.
        Or substituted “1000” for ‘3000″.

      • noname says:

        83/4” sounds like your asking for substantial

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Haha The point I was making was some men/women feel as though being direct and crass like that is the best way to go to get what you want. For whatever reason that is. But unfortunately not so much. I did let him know that I wasn’t impressed after he said the last line. He apologized. Being a bitch isn’t always the best response but stating maturely what you expect when it comes to discussing these types of things make a difference. We restarted the conversation and we have a date scheduled for next week. He did buy me a dress and a pair of heels for our date though. So I can’t really be too mad at him.

      • Anonymous says:

        I have a feeling our Bow is going to end up leaving if she finds even tame emails like that offensive.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        And Anon I have no interest in lying about my dates or my interactions with people on the site. Why would I fabricate such a thing. That doesn’t even sound like me. Just a few days ago I got stood up by a member from SA. I don’t have anything to lie about.

      • Anonymous says:

        That was another Anonymous, not I.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        All of you Anons are so different! I can’t figure you all out.

      • Anonymous says:

        lol Bow

      • Anonymous says:

        Bow just proved my point – all that matters, is money.
        As our Resident Doctor FunDude used to say, Ergo.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Money. Yes. Sugar Babies LOVE MONEY but respect for me, trumps all.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        83/4” sounds like your asking for substantial

        @noname substantial? Sounds more like practical to me :-))

      • Kore says:

        @Anon 7:40

        She’s also mentioned she’s quit regular dating and it’s more or less the same for me. I think this, “love for money,” can get you women who don’t give it up for free to xbox projects. Isn’t that a bit more assuring? 😉

      • noname says:

        jaybird if thats your expectations in a arrangement go for it nothing wrong with that

      • ks says:

        If he only comes up with 8, rather than the full quoted amount, just next him, you don’t want to be short changed…

  14. TVC15 says:

    You’re wasting your breath. WBT. Some of the guys on this blog have decided that no woman ever gets over a certain amount, no woman ever gets anything for platonic, and any woman who claims otherwise is a liar who must be shouted down.

    This is probably because they don’t want any woman reading this to think she can ask for very much. But regardless of the reason, that’s how it is.

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      Like I’ve stated before. I don’t mind intimacy within an arrangement. I can’t speak for the girls that want strictly “platonic” relationships. I like sex I have no problem with it. I understand the role a Sugar Baby plays in her relationship as I understand the role an Sugar Daddy plays. So I’m not arguing with you at all I agree.

  15. remboder says:

    While the allowance should not be “demanded upfront”, any SD will be well advised to take care of whatever financial arrangements were made prior to any activities. If she is serious about you, she has enough to think and worry about, to make your experience worthwhile. Once you two know each other well, that does not matter so much. But the first date will go better if she isn’t worried whether or not you will follow through.

    • Josh says:

      +2.

      Whether or not the SB will actually get the mutually agreed upon financial gain should be the least of her worries.

      Not to say that the allowance has to be at certain level. But whatever it is must be guaranteed. Men who come here and cook up criteria before an allowance is due must be vehemently countered.

      If she keeps her end of the bargain and the SD pulls a Dave on him then don’t be surprised if she pulls an assault charge right before the statute of limitations is up. Can she win? Probably not. Did you spend thousands, if not tens of thousands? Definitely yes.

      • Kore says:

        @Josh Dave didn’t end up at court and Attica didn’t mention doing anything about her bad experience either. I wonder how many girls will go to court when it’s already mentioned that even rape isn’t being reported (due to shame?).

        I think it’s always going to be a worry on the first date – even if it was crap, I can imagine that receiving an allowance gives some sort of illusion of them not having been mistreated or having felt bad. Some monetary compensation for a bad experience..

      • Kore says:

        I think it’s the marriage, if there is one, is what the SB could use more than anything else, actually. What @Elaine mentioned, for example.

      • Anonymous says:

        Whether or not the SB will actually get the mutually agreed upon financial gain should be the least of her worries.

        Sorry, didn’t know I was dating fat, old bald men for free. I mean surely the sugar part of a sugar daddy dating site is just a small fraction of the real arrangement which is 20year olds having sex with 65 year olds. Great!

    • Josh says:

      *pulls a Dave on HER.

    • kore says:

      Or half way through, when you get a better feel for her not being the type to disappear to the bathroom to never return?

    • Anonymous says:

      That exists only in your fertile imagination. Like we always say, allowance can be returned, sex cannot. Using one’s body is the worst thing one can do. A couple of bucks lost, not a big deal.

  16. Another anonymous says:

    @ Anonymous

    Especially if you’re passionate about actually studying theoretical physics.

    If a POT SB is interested in theoretical physics and she is bright enough to have a fighting chance to get admitted to Oxford, then she should easily understand the enormous odds against finding a SD that will chip out 200k guaranteed for her tuition. Maybe she should consider > $1 billion Powerball coming Wednesday. :-)

    Btw if that SB is really hard pressed for money, it is worth noting that if she gets accepted to Harvard and her family makes less than 65k US, then her tuition at Harvard is a big fat ZERO. And even if the family makes 160k US then the tuition is about 16k a year.

    • Anonymous says:

      I don’t agree Another, I think she has a chance of finding a SD who will pay tuition, surely a small chance but still. Isn’t that what this site advertises to? Oh, sorry I didn’t get the memo. Now days it’s only the 500/meet types. Didn’t know us traditional types have disappeared.

    • Anonymous says:

      Isn’t the tuition at Harvard about 50k something a year?

      • Anonymous says:

        Here is direct quote from Harvard website (Griffin Financial Aid Office):

        In fact, approximately 70 percent of our students receive some form of aid, and about 60 percent receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year. Twenty percent of parents pay nothing. No loans required.”

  17. Test says:

    Advice for SBs – when your SD gives you a gift or allowance, don’t count it in front of him.

  18. Admirer says:

    I skip profiles that only have one line. If they can’t come up with at least 2 sentences, it is a fake profile, robo profile courtesy of SA marketing dept, or a Nigerian scammer.

    Good catch on the picture though.

  19. kinks says:

    Newbie SB here in need of advice
    example someone asked me to spend a week vacation .
    how do I bring up money ?
    Can somebody give me an example of a message to write back? I have no clue..
    Thank you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Is this going to be a one off arrangement? Don’t let the one week only fool you, because he might think he’s doing you a favor for sending you on vacation when in fact all you may need is an allowance. So I suggest if that’s what you wan’t ask him in a clear and precise manner what the financial component of this arrangement will be. Obviously if you’re on SA and I suppose he is too, then you might have seen the expectations range, so check out his and see if it fits your expectations. If he tries to disregard it, next him. And take great care especially since you would be traveling with practically a stranger. Good luck!

      • kinks says:

        thank you very much.
        the trip itself it is in the same country but still a lot of unknowns.

      • anon says:

        Here’s the problem: Most of the guys pick a range then play dumb. I have had lots and lots of guys claim they thought Moderate or whatever they picked was subjective, and to them, their offer was moderate or high. And the guys claiming high must have been high to think anyone would fall for believing they really thought a few hundred or throusand a month is a high expectation.

    • Gentle says:

      Well@kinks ,here’s what I would expect from an SB.

      Thanks for the interest My Bucks. Your profile looks interesting and I would love to meet you for coffee or drinks and discuss it further.

      option# 1) I am looking for an ongoing arrangement and not a one time experience .Let me know if this is what you are seeking as well. If not then I hope you find what you are looking for .

      option #2) I am open to a one time trip experience. When we meet and learn that we are attracted enough to each other to spend a week together we can also talk about the arrangement you are offering .

      Many trip Daddies think that the free trip is enough and will not be open to paying an allowance also .

      • kinks says:

        super and many thanks !!!!!

      • TVC15 says:

        “Many trip Daddies think that the free trip is enough”

        This is very amusing.

      • SD says:

        The SA marketing has created a website for this called Miss Travel. It is a chance for two complete strangers to get together and spend 2 weeks in a strange far away land absolutely hating each other’s guts the whole time. Brilliant.

    • William says:

      Kinks

      Not exactly along the lines of what you asked but as a newbie I strongly recommend that you meet this potential a few times before traveling just to try and get a read on him vs a v safety.
      Everything is probably OK but if you do travel make sure you have the resources in case you want to return early, and let someone know where/when you are going. As I said everything is probably OK but first time round it is better to be careful.

      • kinks says:

        the trip is in the same country but 2000 km away and yes, I am careful and I know I need to have a safety net .
        If it would have been to another country I wound even take it under advisement without knowing in person the man.
        thank you !!!

    • Frank95 says:

      Hi,

      I’d suggest that spending a week’s vacation with someone is only something you’d do if you knew them well. This is common sense no matter whether here, or in real life. :)

      Spending a week with someone you don’t know could turn into misery very quickly simply because some people don’t get on. If someone at the office that you didn’t know at all suddenly came up and said they’d won a trip for two somewhere and would you go with them, would you do it? I wouldn’t.

      Best to pass on this till you know each other a lot better.

    • Boniface says:

      Where is the vacation ? If its first class flight to Fiji and a room with a ocean view for 1 week the answer is “Wow, thank you for being so generous, I know you could have taken many women on this vacation but you chose me, that by itself makes me feel very special”

      Make sense ?

  20. Isla80 says:

    When I ask a man what he’s looking for, and he says “sex”, that scares me away. I’m not even sure what I’m expecting out of this site, but I know I’m not here to just have sex, or even collect money for it.

    I think it’s appropriate to bring up intimacy once you’ve met in person and established that there’s a mutual attraction. Because there will be no intimacy with me if there’s no attraction.

    • Kore says:

      I get that their openness can be daunting, but I prefer expecations and ‘rules,’ be covered before the meet so that I don’t waste time. Or straight up be impolite and ditch them at the restaurant when they say something to my face that I didn’t want to hear.

      Your underwear picture is very suggestive. Maybe that might have something to do with it?

      Anyway – I am pretty sure that most men (if not all) on this site want intimacy in their ideal realtionship – why is it shocking that they are being honest with their feelings?

      • J says:

        I agree with Kore. If I see a lady wearing underwear in her profile picture I will treat her differently than someone with a Professional Dress.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes, I wouldn’t even answer this girl. I would think she was an escort.

      • Isla80 says:

        It isn’t “shocking”, it just let’s me know they’re not compatible. I like taking sexy pics. I also like to tease. I’m not for everyone, i know. But the friends I have love me :)

      • Anonymous says:

        The picture is not “sexy”. It looks like as if you took a photo with your client after the act for whatever reason.

      • Isla80 says:

        Well, i guess we can’t all be as sexy as you Ms. No Pic. I guess you’re so hot the camera couldn’t even capture all your sexiness – too overwhelming.

      • Kore says:

        @Isla
        “I like taking sexy pics. I also like to tease.”
        “When I ask a man what he’s looking for, and he says “sex”, that scares me away.”

        I raise an eye brow to this.

    • Anonymous says:

      It is harder to rinse him if she knows he is looking for sex. What SD in his right mind would be looking for sex on a sugar dating site?

    • Anonymous says:

      When you look like a ho why act surprised as to what they say they wanted?

    • Isla80 says:

      Thanks for the welcome! You’re so sweet lol

    • Isla80 says:

      Are you trying to get me in trouble already?? You bad boy, you! lol

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Are you the black friend that damn vixen recommended the site too?

    • Frank95 says:

      Isla,

      You asked for advice. Multiple people have said in one way or another that your pics will attract the response you didn’t like.

      You can either change the pictures, or put up with the “direct” approaches.

      That’s your choice. :)

      • Isla80 says:

        I don’t recall asking for advice. I made a statement. I’m gonna do what i want to do. I don’t need advice from anyone because I’m gonna do me, regardless. And the “direct approaches” only help me weed out who I don’t want to involve myself with.

    • Isla80 says:

      Raise whatever you want Kore. If something as simple as that comment confuses you, I imagine that eyebrow stays raised a lot.

  21. Rat says:

    RIP David Bowie
    Thanks for the music

  22. Josh says:

    Re: When to Bring Up Intimacy?

    Right away. Waiting is for rinsees. 😉

  23. remboder says:

    I paid off a bunch of semester tuitions over the years.
    The bottom line: I need to know you VERY well. End of story.

  24. WTF says:

    another thing which I am thinking is this and I guess sb or sd COMMON SENSE is very very important we all are humans with brains so after meeting some on for M&G you can kind of tell how the person is and whether she is an escort or he is salty and take and make your decision accordingly whether If you are giving allowance at first or later or just walking away from the whole situation and saying next

  25. WTF says:

    ok read all those thoughts and this is what again my opinion is , sd have fixed budgets and yes they can change and fluctuate too but with sbs it is soooo confusing , I have met sbs who live at home and have part time jobs and school but have no sense of budgeting , when I ask is as to what kind of help I can provide they have no answer and the older sbs living on their own cant answer that either so us as sds should mentor them first to set goals and budgets and try to make their life easier if they are really into it.but at the same time they should be able to be ready to accept an allowance and fuck while on training lol

    • Anonymous says:

      Most women are not going by their genuine needs. They are going off of “I don’t want to get ripped off” based on the expectations created through SA marketing, SA articles, Tumblr fantasytalk and IG fantasytalk.

      • TVC15 says:

        Why shouldn’t women go for what they want as opposed to what they need? No man “needs” a sugar baby, and nobody expects him to justify wanting one, so why should the women have to justify the financial component?

      • Anonymous says:

        Right @TVC15. That is male entitlement and rationale that they deserve a sugar baby or babies for little to nothing- in their dream world.

        Reality check- not everyone here has to have bills paid but might want the perk of allowances with men they enjoy being around. Imagine that. It is not your place to tell someone what they should ask for or what to do with money earned.

      • Anonymous says:

        You girls are missing the point that anon Jan10-7:05pm was making:

        Many girls’ expectations are not based on intrinsic need or want, but based on comparing to the fantasy writings on IG and Tumblr.

        The male equivalent of such behavior would be some SD with the means and desire but after reading the nonsense from “Dave,” decided to try scamming girls instead so he could get something for nothing. Luckily, not many men are trying that, at least among men who can afford to pay, who usually also have enough independent thinking faculty to calculate the realistic odds.

      • Josh says:

        @TVC15

        “No man “needs” a sugar baby”

        Of course not. Men just feel like wasting $70/month just cuz.

      • anon says:

        Other Anonymous, you should look at what mid-range to high escorts in the area ask, and then assume SBs want around that or more, along with the emotional connection and friendship that accompany the sex.

  26. Josh says:

    The SBs who insist on getting the tuition paid need to do it this way:

    1. Take out a government/private loan in your or your family’s name.

    2. Have SD pay it down as part of the allowance.

    3. SD paying the semester’s tuition upfront only happens in SA’s marketing to lure SBs in.

    • Anonymous says:

      What if the SD’s refuses to pay the rest of it? 😮
      I don’t wanna hear it. What you are suggesting is very, very, very risky to involve the government like that.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Were you planning on not going to college unless you got a SD? Otherwise I don’t see the risk. If you didn’t have the money you’d get a loan like thousands of other people do every year and have to pay it off yourself.

      • Josh says:

        What @Jay says…

      • Anonymous says:

        No one can get a loan if they don’t have a job, which most 18 year old’s do not. And if you take a loan, you must firstly have a job to pay that off, if it’s from the gov. as suggested, it’s pretty risky if you don’t follow through or pay that, and if suddenly the SD changes his mind about the arrangement and keeps looking elsewhere. to take such a big loan for college, you’d have to have a pretty good paying job, which most 18 year old’s do not. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to justify your monthly payments.
        One might go to a community college, but I am talking about those who specifically want a better university to attend, an Ivy League one, hence why they come here looking for an SD.

      • Anonymous says:

        “What if the SD refuses to pay the rest of it?”

        Then get another SD. There are no guarantees in life. To be successful, you have to be versatile and self-sufficient.

        This is exactly why Sugar should be viewed as a subsidy and not depended on. It’s too unstable and fluctuating.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anonymous @6:03PM, I don’t know if you’re in the US or not but if you are you can get a loan to go to University without being employed. Have you not even checked into this?

      • Anonymous says:

        Thus why paying through a loan from the gov. is the riskiest and stupidest thing one can do. Finding a good SD is a lot hard work, and may take months. What happens between that time? You go to jail, simple. No college, no SD and no life. There has to be some better way to it. Being versatile doesn’t mean you have to risk stuff and do illegal stuff while at it. Obviously we aren’t talking about sugar being the only source of income, but usually great top Universities are very expensive to attend, and usually that is a luxury, subsidy or whatever you may call it.

      • Anonymous says:

        No, I am from the UK. Here we can’t take a loan without having a secured job, otherwise how would we pay it?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I don’t know where you got your info from but that’s not how a student loan works. A SD has no bearing on what school go to it’s either you were planning on getting a higher education or you weren’t.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Sorry Anonymous didn’t know you weren’t American we don’t have to start paying back the loan until we graduate or drop out

      • Josh says:

        In US, not only you can get a loan when you don’t have a job, no payments are due until 6 months AFTER you stop your studies.

        In many of the European countries higher education is free.

        😉

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes, but a community college is a lot different from let’s say King’s College or Royal Holloway.

      • Anonymous says:

        Guess I need to move to US. In that case this makes sense.

      • Anonymous says:

        Move to Germany from Butt Fuck UK and you can get free education even in the English language. If I were college aged young man I would move to Germany in a heartbeat to get free education.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I still say a having a SD is an excuse if you were planning to go to school you would find a way. Why can’t you go to community college save the money you get from your arrangements and transfer to a better university when you can?

        Are you saying you don’t plan to attend a university until you get a SD that’s willing to pay for it?

      • Anonymous says:

        You need to be citizen of the United States (or some other categories of residents) to get grants/loans.

      • Anonymous says:

        No but a community college is nothing to brag about. Now, RH or Oxford is another thing. Especially if you’re passionate about actually studying theoretical physics. The academic staff along with the researchers are just too good to be true.

      • Kore says:

        In the UK, you don’t just ‘decide to go to uni or not.’ You can either afford it or you can’t. By yourself, you show them your bank statements and let them electronically frisk you for monthlies or pay the semester up front – which someone else can do for you.

        To go back to the original post, I agree – if it’s really that, the SD is willing to pay in that interest – there should be proof.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous

        “Yes, but a community college is a lot different from let’s say King’s College or Royal Holloway.”

        Of course you want pricier degree even if you are currently living on Ramen noodles. Sorry for suggesting something pragmatic.

      • Anonymous says:

        That’s not true Anon at 6:37 not many people can afford those places, even the middle class ones. Only a select few can. So living on ramen noodles has nothing to do with what goal you have set in mind for yourself. I suppose it’s actually a better option than buying clothes and CL.

    • SSSD says:

      There is a tax advantage to paying an SB’s college bursar account directly vs. paying down a loan: payment to a nonprofit institution such as a college is tax-deductible whereas legit SD’s who can afford sugar probably are long past the phased-out income limit for student loan interest deduction.

      Relying on an SD for the entire college tuition bill however is quite risky: unless you already have a steady relationship with the guy beforehand and it is his idea to put you through the particular program (say, you are his betrothed, or the mother of his child, or a nurse to take care of him or his family in the long run), chances of him supporting you for 4 years is extremely slim unless you are a special “unicorn” to him! How will you continue your study after he quits? A state college amounting to $1-2k/mo can reasonably expect continuous support (because it would cost him nearly the same to get a replacement) or finding substitute sponsor(s) consistently for 4 years. However, a private college costing $4k+/mo for 4 years should really have the $200k arranged ahead of time before embarking on the program, whether from a reliable SD pledging the entire amount or from a combination of SD, school grants, loans and family contribution.

      Almost no rational sensible man would be willing to make a $200k investment in a near-stranger, and you are a near-stranger to him before having been intimate for at least a few weeks/months, when oxytocin starts to kick in and make intelligent men do “irrational” things. Most SD’s promising large monthly payments upfront are probably scammers; the overwhelming majority of the rest making those unnecessarily large promises to near-strangers probably only have short-term in mind. In most areas excepting New York City, an SB would quickly run out of counter parties to arrange with even if she is willing to bet her life on a series of short-term SD’s each offering $4k+/mo. The market is very thin at dollar levels near or more than double national median individual income: for the same amount of money, the SD could be hiring two full-time workers! At some point, he is going to realize the absurdity of paying for the education of a classmate of yours in addition to your education (those $50k/yr tuitions are highly inflated in order to give near-free education to kids of faculty+staff and affirmative action recipients). Would you patronize a store or restaurant that charges you double what it charges other customers? Dragging him into paying for the entirety of such a scam is going to make him feel unfair and resentful in the future. You are not his own genetic offspring after all.

      So the first step in finding an SD to sponsor your education is finding a cost-effective education.

      • Kore says:

        Or, more practically, not having to primarily depend on something unreliable with very important projects.

        You can have a very expensive education and use your entire allowance to pay for it – but if your education primarily depended on that.. Well, if an adult can’t get this basic part of real world responsibility, their chances at passing any exams would be questionable, haha.

      • Anonymous says:

        That was a pretty ignorant statement. In the real world, there are poor people, middle class people and people who can afford the best and the most. Now, should we condemn those poor people for not being able to secure their education, which is dependent on money, for being too stupid to pass on exams?

      • Kore says:

        I think you’ve misunderstood me… And you haven’t read some of my other posts?

        “Now, should we condemn those poor people for not being able to secure their education, which is dependent on money..”

        Wanting help is a prerequisite to needing help. To me, writing on your profile that you want help paying for your, ‘collage’ tuitions isn’t a good reflection of this. Nor to let your education rest on someone who has no legal responsibility towards you. I figure they might have other choices – like finding a way to get a loan or working and saving for it.

        I am not saying that those who need help should be condemned at all and I am not the type of person who will chalk someone down to, ‘stupid,’ even if they don’t have the will to educate themselves. What I am saying is that it doesn’t come across as honest or wise when a person who says they are determined to achieve a relatively LT goal is willing to take the risk of losing everything so easily. How many sugar relationships last from the beginning until the SB gets her degree?

      • Anonymous says:

        You clearly don’t know the concept around which the site was built. One can seek a SD to pay for tuition, startups and such. It’s not a foreign concept to sugar, and it actually should be the most common one. You don’t put that in your profile, but I am sure you’ll mention it during the arrangement details discussion. If he agrees great, if not, keep looking. There should be no risk here, you can always go to a simpler, college which probably your parents or you could afford, but if one has a different, pricier option in mind, and would like to find a genuine SD who would be interested in helping a young girl achieve that, it would be the ideal arrangement to which this site caters for.

      • Kore says:

        The concept, I was under the impression, is simply to have a mutually beneficial relationship. The details and circumstances are vast, varied and personal. Not everyone is here for the reasons you’ve mentioned.

        Your advice was that if she wants to get herself educated, to choose an SD-can-afford-it option. All I’m saying is that depending on your SD for something that plays such an important role in your life just might not be the best option. Other people have been saying exactly the same in terms of the SB’s primary source of income (living expenses) – I am applying it to education.

        Of course, if there is trust and the arrangement is steady, the dynamics of the relationship are changed. Nevertheless, for a first impression, I would ask questions if someone told me they needed help with a goal and didn’t have a fail-safe that was independant of me.

        If my goal (imagined) is to help the SB get where she wants to be – but she has to show me that she is serious about it.

      • William says:

        I think Anon has drunk the SA koolaid. This will only get her into trouble or at the very least disappointment. Kore is 100% right.

      • Anonymous says:

        There are obviously other options, but if a young SB comes to SA with the purpose of finding someone who can secure a better education option, who might be a professor himself or anything else, and could pay her tuition then it would be the ideal arrangement this site portrays. A young college girl for an older gent. Isn’t that what this site is about? I know there are older people and those who don’t make much, but that’s why you mention the other endless and vast options, because they outnumber the ones who are fit to be SB’s and SD’s. You don’t depend on anyone, but if you’d like to take your MA after completing college at let’s say Dartmouth, you have all the right to be looking for an SD who can do that for you.

      • TVC15 says:

        Any SB has the right to look for whatever type of SD she wants, just like any SD has the right to seek whatever type of SB he wants.

        Whether they can get what they want is another question, and whatever the answer, it doesn’t make them wrong for seeking it.

      • Kore says:

        “finding someone who can secure a better education option”

        Yep, and until the whole course has been pâid for, nothing has been secured – things remain insecure.

        “why you mention the other endless and vast options, because they outnumber”

        I doubt every SB uses her allowance only for what she says she will and there’s nothing wrong with that.

        “you have all the right to be looking for an SD”
        …So now girls have different levels of right to be here? Huh.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon 7:34am

        A startup has potential returns, not only to you but also to the investors. The incremental benefit of pricey college education over a much less expensive state college is likely zero if not negative: it’s a place where students compete not on academics but on expensive fashion statements provided by their over-indulgent parents; i.e. distraction from studies.

        Colleges that graduate highly successful alums tend to have very large endowments that can afford to give financial aid to every student whose family can’t afford it. If the college charges an arm and leg, but never produced enough successful alums to run a robust FA program, what does that say about the value proposition of such a college? Attending such a college sounds like an overpriced fashion statement to me, except instead of overpaying $1k to get a pair of shoes or a handbag, this particular brand of snobbery costs $150k over-payment compared to a typical state college that costs about $50k for the entire 4 years instead of every year.

        Where one gets BS/BA matters very little, as such low level degrees are usually quickly overshadowed by master’s degrees or job performance/experience.

      • Anonymous says:

        “Any SB has the right to look for whatever type of SD she wants, just like any SD has the right to seek whatever type of SB he wants.

        Whether they can get what they want is another question, and whatever the answer, it doesn’t make them wrong for seeking it.”

        Would you say it is right or wrong for a young person to plan his/her life around winning lotteries?

        There is opportunity cost associated with every human endeavor. The most important part of going to college is learning how to allocate time and effort to achievable goals. Perhaps the most valuable lesson in seeking an SD to cover a pricey college would be the failure in achieving it. Somehow, I think wasting years not getting a degree is a very high price to pay for learning how to be humble and how to set realistic goals, not to mention the psychological damage from repeated failures / early terminations in intimate relationships. Don’t mean to sound sexist, but IMHO for a woman, such damage outweighs the benefit from any BA/BS degree from any college. It’s worse than riding every football team member in college and failing to secure any one of them as boyfriend. What do you think that will do to a woman’s self-esteem and ability to relate to her future partner and children?

      • Kore says:

        @Anon 11:37 This depends on her life goals. This would be true if she were ambitious – not if it were primary goal were to secure herself a man who can give her a comfortable life.

      • anon says:

        Anonymous you should know that with some careers, college “brand” really matters. HR lackeys will routinely pass up lower tier college grads to hire upper tier. Not to mention the networking.

  27. Josh says:

    @With a Bow on Top

    “Prostitutes have johns.
    Escorts have clients.
    Sugar Babies have sugar daddies.
    Girlfriends have boyfriends.
    Wives have husbands.
    At the end of the day men end up paying anyway.
    Who cares,”

    Brilliant statement indeed. :)

  28. With a Bow on Top says:

    Alright new TOPIC!
    Got into a conversation about how we determine how much an allowance actually is.

    • Anonymous says:

      Tell us more.

    • remboder says:

      It is simple, really.
      Just read the Resident Asian Rinser’s account. I will simplify.

      “High Quality SD” – an idiot who never worked for his money. Pays a 1000 dollars for each of the first 10 dinner dates and patiently awaits the SBs decision, whether he is worthy.
      “Low Quality SD” – the rest of us. We look, we offer, we negotiate a bit. We settle.
      We could probably (well, ok, not probably, definitely) pay more, but we know the market and we know, we do not really have to.

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      I think for the basics of an allowance an SB should figure out her monthly NECESSARY expenses. No bullshit like cable and netflix and her Starbucks intake.

      Figure out rent/mortgage, utilities, car(if she has one), and cell phone. That I believe will determine the lowest possible amount you should give an SB.

      • Anonymous says:

        Bow, that is your responsibility to do, not ours lol. You figure out how much you need or want and then find someone who is willing to provide that.

        As a SD, I have a created budget. I’m not going to increase that budget just because a POT has a higher need. She will have to find someone else who is willing to meet her needs/wants.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        And thats fair. But I also think its good just to understand why some girls come up with certain numbers vs others. Understanding how we get to that number and why we got to that number makes it easier for everyone.

      • Anonymous says:

        Each one should have a budget in their mind and put negotiable only if it really is. If it isn’t then why bother? A SD has his budget and shouldn’t bother contacting those who have a higher range in mind as listed in their profiles. A SB who clearly has bigger expectations shouldn’t bother contacting an SD who has a certain range or number listed in their profile and it doesn’t match hers.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        But didn’t we also say in another post that budgets can change as well. So just because an SD has a certain amount in mind doesn’t mean it can’t change.

      • Josh says:

        SD’s budget changes when you charm him enough to convince him to redirect money from other areas of his life to you.

      • Anonymous says:

        Bow, the “how” and “why” is really none of my concern lol. She either fits my budget, or she doesn’t. After time has passed, and I have grown to care about her then yes, I want to know how she came up with her numbers because that is part of knowing her and her life.

        However, thinking about how and why every single POT who contacts me (or every single SB in the world) came up with their numbers would be exhausting haha.

        Also, Bow, I think you’re overestimating most women here. Most aren’t as deep and intelligent as you are. Most don’t put so much thought into their numbers. That’s how we’ve ended up with such a large percentage of girls asking for Substantial and High 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        And that almost, no NEVER happens in real life. Unless you’re starring in Pretty Woman as Julia Roberts.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anonymous @5:50, what doesn’t happen?

      • Anonymous says:

        Why, because they can’t have a goal to reach, and only the practical girls have bills and utilities to pay and kids to care of which totally they shouldn’t because sugaring is not a job, but the substantial and high girls cannot have a higher, probably more deserving cause, unless it’s clothes to attest to?

      • Anonymous says:

        An SD changing or upping his allowance for his SB after some time. In any case, they might lower it.

      • Kore says:

        @Bow Besides the other comments – why try to justify it with (crudely put) not being well off? What if a SB is just so poor that she doesn’t need that much money to support her modest lifestyle? Should just say to a POT who’s willing to offer an amount more than she expected, “sorry, no, but I have no use for the excess?” 😀

        Unless the SD he says he’s interested in having some kind of responsibility for you (helping you), I don’t think the SB should try to put any responsibility on him (justification for allowance numbers). Until then, it’s none of his business what the money’s going to be used for.

      • Kore says:

        “..because they can’t have a goal to reach..high girls cannot have a higher, probably more deserving cause”

        Then, you should consider arrangements with SDs who don’t offer much as well. I’m sure some of them are better people with higher, more deserving causes than their more successful counterparts. Do you?

        What nonsense. This is blackmail.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anonymous @5:58PM, it does happen. I’ve experience it myself in more than one Arrangement. In my last Arrangement, my Baby decided she wanted to go to school, so that was obviously an increase, for example.

        It happens, Anon. I’m sorry you’ve had such rough experiences to not know this firsthand.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore that is meant as sarcasm. Obviously people with higher expectations have higher goals, not higher expenses and necessities.

      • Kore says:

        Huh?

        I can imagine a number of reasons for why a high allowance expectation might be put up. I wouldn’t rule out that it could be because of higher expenses and neccessities.

        It could be to fund a business or to use on a shopping spree.

      • Anonymous says:

        Higher goals yes, such as the example of business you mentioned, and I also in my previous post I claimed that some people may use it for clothes and shopping too. But what kind of expenses and necessities does one have to pay the bills at that much money? If it’s for a goal one might have in mind, such as starting a business, it’s totally understandable.

      • Kore says:

        Who’s to say that a poor person can’t have such goals?

      • Kore says:

        I agree, it’s better if there are ‘understandable’ reasons – ones that the SD might have sympathy for, when it comes to the point that he cares.

        We’ve discussed this in another thread and more SDs on the blog have mentioned that there is a certain amount they have in mind that they can either afford or not (at least, in the beginning). Despite the SB’s needs, because this can’t really be a concern to anyone who’s a stranger. Why would a person then put up a high allowance expectation from the start? I’d go for negotiable if I were serious about my project – because every penny would count and the project would, IRL, take more than just money to be successful (especially in the long term).

        If you’re justifying the high allowance with higher goals. I wouldn’t get the point unless what the SB brings something to the table from the start- a good basis (good manners, looks, all that) is up to the mark. What people would see from a first impression.

      • Anonymous says:

        Also, Bow, I think you’re overestimating most women here. Most aren’t as deep and intelligent as you are. Most don’t put so much thought into their numbers. That’s how we’ve ended up with such a large percentage of girls asking for Substantial and High ?

        It wasn’t to justify the allowance, but according to what the above poster wrote, it seemed like most people who put higher expectation ranges don’t think much about them and just put them there. That’s why I asked if only those who put lower figures have needs/utilities and goals.

    • Anonymous says:

      I believe if a new SB needs her tuition paid, then that is her goal and expense. Whether she finds a SD who wants a young SB and to help her during that time, that’s up to her.

      If another young SB is already enrolled, or doesn’t want to enroll in a college but instead travel the world and pursue her dreams, buy Chanel and Loubs, then she might as well find a SD for all those.

      Then there are the fixed amount SB’s who are the most common ones. They want a simple, monthly allowance which is a fixed number, and probably expects no other gifts, trips and else. So the sugar community is a big, wide world of opportunities.

  29. Josh says:

    @Anonymous

    “So why not take is slow and you spoil her until you both are ready to move into the intimacy part? That is the surest way of not resembling anything to pros.”

    This is right from the rinsers’ playbook.

    • Anonymous says:

      I never give an allowance first either. I also don’t give it immediately after first sexual interaction. All that wreaks of prostitution to me.

      And tell me this isn’t?

    • remboder says:

      As most people here, I have been rinsed. I admit it.
      Did not make me a better person, but certainly made me more careful. If you just follow a simple rule, “No Honey, no money”, you will never get rinsed.
      True, there might – might! – be some rare cases where I could front the money to a trustworthy SB… but, is it worth it, really? The short answer is , “No”.
      Amen.

      • Anonymous says:

        With no honey, no money you mean let her do her part of the bargain first before I decide whether I want to do my part too?
        I say follow this rule: Money out, panties drop. Now this is a rule all ladies should follow. I feel that it’s more precise than the older version of hers, made up by the men of the blog of course.

      • Anonymous says:

        “I never give an allowance first either. I also don’t give it immediately after first sexual interaction. All that wreaks of prostitution to me.”

        “And tell me this isn’t?”

        Tell you what isn’t what? You didn’t add anything there lol.

      • anonymous says:

        My panties never drop unless I see cash allowance first. No boob even. A hug or good night kiss at most.

        Why? Because that’s how PUA fake sugar daddy scammers work. They claim things feel too transactional, they call the girl a whore for even suggesting cash before sex, they beg for something like a BJ as proof she reallly cares, they make all promises, and they never fulfill their end. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free, and pat yourself on the back for being so clever, or scamming those evil whores who dare want support from a man.

    • Josh says:

      If she is too preoccupied with the timing of the allowance, she is not that much into you. Better to keep looking for the someone who is more into you. This one is not for long term.

      • Anonymous says:

        The time of the allowance is the first/start of the month. If only men of this blog weren’t that preoccupied with the time of the intimacy, which clearly shows he isn’t into you, unless it’s in your pants, and worrying about whether to cut her allowance if she’s on her period, but wait, I guess there are other ‘holes’ which some fantasy bloggers have cited here. Maybe they should keep looking for someone who is more into them, and spending time with them, than being intimate while hiding from his wife. This one is not for long term either.

      • remboder says:

        Agree with Guru.
        Things should flow naturally. If you are worried whether she will follow thru or she is worried whether you will follow thru – something is clearly wrong.

      • Josh says:

        You sound like a “strong, independent” woman with a hand out to get whatever you can from a random man. You are definitely not a desirable SB for most men here. If I see such vibes in a POT, I would next her.

      • remboder says:

        The post above is clearly that of a resident Rinser.
        If she wants her allowance on the first of the month – and does not trust you to follow thru – NEXT her. You will never regret it.

      • Anonymous says:

        No actually, you are dead wrong in your assumptions and insults. If you couldn’t contradict or debate with the points I made, you are not worth anyone’s time. Maybe giving out sound advice would be a good start for you?

      • Anonymous says:

        The start of the arrangement is when the panties drop and the allowance gets exchanged. It’s ironic and funny at the same time that with all that I have been saying, I am greeted with the word rinser. I hope you didn’t take my platonic nonsense above serious. It was meant to be taken with a note of sarcasm as a reply to the previous poster. Anyone who wants to give allowance at the end of the month, might at least never give it at all. Until mutual trust is built, if it lasts that long, I say these things should go hand in hand.

      • Anonymous says:

        For me, the start of the Arrangement is when we come to a verbal agreement on what the specifics are. Everything else usually flows naturally after this.

      • Josh says:

        Woman does not “trust” the man to wait till the end of the month. The option is nonexistent.

        Man has been rinsed to “trust” the woman to pay upfront. This is a risky proposition.

        The happy medium is per meet allowance until the “trust” is built, if ever.

        The problem is not when the allowance is exchanged…the problem is preoccupation with the same, and the constant guilt induction that pay per meet “feels” like being a prostitute.

      • Anonymous says:

        I thought p4p and per meet as the poster below had suggested seemed hookerish to him. But if people are into that, that’s alright. There are all kinds, some are into the traditional arrangements and some do pay per hour, pay per play and all sorts.

      • Your conscious says:

        I thought you Josh were the first one to put down and shame the Johns and pay per players a couple of old blogs ago along with Sexy as advice to newcomers.

        What happened did you hit you head of something?

      • Kore says:

        @The Anon before the last.

        Of course it’s alright. What happens when you start paying for your girlfriend/wife? You pay them by the day.. Until they break up, don’t you?

        You can throw a distasteful light over it by bringing those up as examples. Why would how you’re paying them matter when it’s really what you’re paying them for that’s important?

      • Josh says:

        @Your Conscious

        I have no idea what you are talking about.

        Johns and prostitutes should not be hanging out on this website. It is strictly prohibited by this site.

      • elaine says:

        @Anonymous says:
        January 10, 2016 at 5:06 pm

        “No actually, you are dead wrong in your assumptions and insults. If you couldn’t contradict or debate with the points I made”

        Well how can you expect ANYBODY to debate with you as long as you post as “Anonymous”?!
        Nobody has a clue who you are and which posts are yours and could be referred to… :-(

  30. WTF says:

    I have never given an allowance first , and have never experienced her asking me for it before hand. the last sb the one I fucked up the relationship was great . after we were in the room for cpl of hours and ready to go home she hugged and kissed and started walking out towards her car without even mentioning anything about the allowance lol . I had to stop her and give her the money , I don’t know if it was stupidity or she was to trusting.

    • Anonymous says:

      I never give an allowance first either. I also don’t give it immediately after first sexual interaction. All that wreaks of prostitution to me. A lot of female bloggers have said they have been ripped off though, and I believe that as many that are here now are not SugarDaddies but instead just broke Johns.

      This is not going to cause me to change my behaviour though, and it hasn’t been a problem for me.

      • remboder says:

        IMHO – the lady is due her keep after the gentleman had his fun with her. Amen. If it “wreaks” – and I presume the poster above meant “reeks” – of a prostitution to either of two…well, maybe it is. I am not here to judge.
        Just a couple of points. If you post anything on a blog – you should be fully prepared that the veracity of your account will be questioned. Otherwise enjoy it yourself, do not share.
        If a woman needs twenty dates before she feels like she is ready to bed a gent… she should probably look for a more compatible partner. One, two, and three tops – after that, “good luck”…
        Saying it to my date, in my mind, will be insulting her intelligence. I cannot imagine a woman who is out of her teens, needing more then three dates with a man. Especially on SA, she is not looking to marry me.
        As to the quality of SA female members… I state by my assessment – it got worse. It does mean great finds are no more here – it is just takes a lot longer to unearth them.

      • Anonymous says:

        So why not take is slow and you spoil her until you both are ready to move into the intimacy part? That is the surest way of not resembling anything to pros.

      • remboder says:

        Once I see the word “spoil”… I next her. I do not like rotten or spoiled.
        If she needs to be “spooled” to make up her mind… she is probably a gold digger. These are plentiful and could be easily obtained without “spoiling” them. The only woman who deserves to be rewarded, is the one that expects it the least. The one who thinks she already gave you everything. Not the one who is dangling the intimacy carrot in front of you…

      • Anonymous says:

        @remboder Are you sure you are in the right site? There is a clear, very precise concept of what this is. Older gents for younger ladies, based on a monthly allowance, categorized by one of the ranges listed eg. practical or moderate, and also based on chemistry, nsa, extra attention that the wife won’t give… What are you on about? Intimacy carrot?

      • remboder says:

        @Anonymous:
        A Rinser test:
        If it looks like a rinser, swims like a rinser, and quacks like a rinser, then it probably is a rinser.
        have a nice day.

      • Anonymous says:

        I love hearing bloggers fantasizing. Have a nice day!

      • Kore says:

        @Anon “There is a clear, very precise concept of what this is.”

        So you gave a personal example? Everyone should do it the way you do or they’re not doing it, “right?”

      • Anonymous says:

        No, this is the way it usually works, in the real world, where people are actually into arrangements, you know, in SA and not on this blog. Maybe you should check out the about me page of SA a little more. Like I said, this has a very clear target market and ranges, and yes some people do distort them sometimes. I am not saying there shouldn’t be older people here, or men who make lower end money, but those clearly aren’t the target groups which SA has in mind. That’s why the quality has gone down, no wonder.

      • Kore says:

        In the real world, the quantity of money matters a lot, as opposed to the ‘quality’ of money. 😉
        Of course SA chose quantity over quality – and although I think I understand what you mean – reading it after what you’ve written – they way you’ve written.. What kind of reply are you expecting?

        If you’re so up tight about following this strictly – you’re letting your worries doom your relationships. You’re too worried about it being not ‘pro’ like, you’re just not relaxed enough about it to actually enjoy yourself. Ironically – the exact thing you’re paying for.

      • yes anonymous says:

        Once upon a time, a sugar daddy could give a sugar baby allowance and gifts as the relationship naturally evolved.

        Then fake sugar daddy pick ups, so-called alpha males, ruined it for everyone. Everyone knows at least 3/4? of the Sugar Daddies on this site are gaming and have no intention of ever paying.

        Go out on two or three dates and ask if the girl ever had any bad experiences. You will hear the same stories over and over. You should know better.

        The way to do it is to bring allowance with a gift, maybe roses or a new pocketbook for the girl, and put it with the gift when you are there to seal the sweet deal. She can politely check the gift when she freshens up, and then you both relax and enjoy each other’s bodies without making it awkward.

    • Anonymous says:

      Are you shitting me? what kind of sb’s are you dealing with? If anyone believe that might as well believe I can fly.

    • Gentle says:

      @Anonymous “There is a clear, very precise concept of what this is. Older gents for younger ladies, based on a monthly allowance ”

      An allowance-yes , but the pay period is variable depending on the couple. Don’t get hung up on semantics

  31. With a Bow on Top says:

    It was just a generalized statement. I just think it’s bad manners to tell someone you have to do X by X. I don’t even know you. I just met you.

    • SDaddy says:

      I agree Bowgirl. It should be organic. Or did I mean orgasmic ? There is just a classy way to do these things. And there is the brute approach.

      By the time of our M&G we have communicated enough to know 1)there is an allowance due at commencement of the arrangement 2) Sex is on the table at that time ,and 3) the timing of both is variable and dependent on her comfort level . All she needs to hear is respect for her feelings and desires. I’ve had 95% success converting the M&G to intimacy that same visit. All but 1 have accepted payment after our date . Yes, I do pay by the week and not in advance.

  32. WTF says:

    question ? sbs have you ever experienced not getting allowance after being intimate? I don’t think any sd will do a low thing like that what do you guys and girls think ?

    • Elaine says:

      Yes, once, the very first time. But he was an attractive 35yo and we had a great night, so I just shrugged my shoulders and moved on. But he was quite stupid, because married and a public figure, so I could have caused him quite some problems!

      • SDaddy says:

        You should have told him pay up or else ! At least the AHole would worry about it.

        I have only had one SB demand payment up front not only for the 1st date but 2nd as well . there was no third . Too Hookerish for me .

      • WTF says:

        yes I agree you should have asked him to pay up if anything was agreed upon and specially a public figure, obviously he has the money.
        @sdaddy , yes too hookerish for me as well , it feels soooo awkward to do that but hey until you feel comfortable and build trust both parties have to protect themselves there is no other way to do it.

      • Anonymous says:

        You should have Elaine, he scammed you. It’s a different thing to scam somebody and make them feel used. Remember ladies, always and I mean always get your allowance in advance. Who is that stupid to wait for it until he decides it wasn’t worth it. And be careful.

      • Anonymous says:

        The way to go is old school style allowance by the end of the month, money upfront is just a front of what you guys don’t want to really call but it’s pay for play, p4p, pay per date and all of these cheap, hookerish terms which you are referring to. Drop them and you’ll be find.

      • elaine says:

        I NEVER have asked an allowance upfront and I never will.
        That is just not the sort of arrangements I am after.

        As said, it was my first sugar encounter, we had great sex, he was attractive and he had some kinks that match mine. He asked for a next meet, kept contact the days after, when I asked he send me back something I had left with him, he wanted to plan another meet and then didn’t follow through and poofed.

        But since at the same time I was contacted by my first real SD and that would turn out into a fantastic LT arrangement, I just didn’t bother about the “flake”.

        Very funny though that he re-contacted me on another profile some years later. 😉

      • elaine says:

        Oh, and I have never had any other allowance problems after this guy!

        So yes, I was naive that first time, but apart from this case, the trust I have showed to my SDs has always paid back.

        I would never travel to -and be intimate with- someone I don’t trust enough on keeping his word on the arrangement anyway.

        With most we have not even ever discussed the allowance, it is in my profile and since it is not based upon a tot. of hours or tot. meetings, there really isn’t much to discuss.
        I am at his back and call and we meet wherever and as often as he wants.

        But I am in a different situation (and continent), so I am aware this will probably not work in most other sugar relations.

    • sb says:

      Yes, I am ashamed to admit it, but twice. The second daddy he gave a nice gift and promised we would talk allowance after, then he blocked or deleted every way of contact we had. I don’t know if I count the third, because he gave part of allowance and then promised shopping after, then supposedly had an emergency and then disappeared.

      That isn’t counting the number of guys who said they wanted an arrangement, gave me money for per meet since they said trust wasn’t establish and then they block and disappear, half the men want to come back and say it was weekly allowance, and they want to see me again.

      No, I will never do that again. And these men talk about how they have been victims of SB scammers, and try to get you to feel sorry for them.

      Never do that again. I had to get counseling because I felt so dirty and used, and thought about suicide. Not now, I know better.

  33. problem is says:

    say it ain’t so,daddy!
    Cops: Florida mom abandons kid, heads to ‘sugar daddy’ pad, pees on and punches police

  34. With a Bow on Top says:

    So, went out with another POT today y’all. Had me meet him at Panera. Everything began smoothly but he brought up intimacy and not wanting a platonic relationship. That is fine. But when you tell me “3 dates after this without any expectations no sex” like that’s your limit…. Eye roll. Maybe I should be like 3 dates max that’s when I want my allowance.

    • WTF says:

      don’t understand about the three date thing , I know nothing for meet and greet, but after that if you both are ok with it and agree to move forward shouldn’t the next meeting be like the start of an arrangement , allowance and if the sd wants intimacy ?

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        The point I’m trying to make is all of a sudden this POT if we can even call him that is telling me that by the 3rd date he expects to get laid no questions asked. That’s not how things work. If it did you should be giving me an allowance of my choosing no questions asked too. i don’t have a problem with intimacy but don’t tell me when you expect me to spread my legs for you. If you expect it on a certain date and time you don’t want a sugar baby

      • noname says:

        bow on top i have a question for you are you expecting or asking for a allowance before the intimacy starts

      • Anonymous says:

        I have a similar rule, Bow, but I would never disperse it like an ultimatum. He sounds inexperienced and/or lacking in couth.

      • Kore says:

        @Bow You mentioned that you don’t discuss allowance or intimacy before knowing if there is chemistry. Did you tell him that as well? Maybe he didn’t want to go on several dates (that he probably had to pay for?) until his POTs decide if there is chemistry.
        Then I can understand him giving you a deadline and I don’t think it’s altogether unfair, even though it came across as rude.

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      @IHF What came first then. The chicken or the egg? Do I trust you enough to sleep with you and hope that my allowance is in hand? Or do you trust me enough to give my allowance and we enjoy a great arrangement?

      • Anonymous says:

        Allowance comes first, get it, put it in your wallet, bag or whatever and proceed with intimacy by going to his place,hotel or wherever.

      • Anonymous says:

        This sounds like prostitution.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Prostitutes have johns.
        Escorts have clients.
        Sugar Babies have sugar daddies.
        Girlfriends have boyfriends.
        Wives have husbands.
        At the end of the day men end up paying anyway.
        Who cares,

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Put yourself in the role that best suits your needs and how you want your experience to go and you want to be treated.

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      I don’t discuss allowance or intimacy until there is clearly chemistry both physically and mentally. I have no interest in arrangements where I don’t want to sleep with my SD.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        I think @jaybird said it best.

        January 9, 2016 at 4:46 pm
        Agree if the only way she can stomach being in your company for an extra hour or two is for a “bonus” why bother find someone who will appreciate the nice things you’re willing to do for them and who enjoys being in your company

      • WTF says:

        @bowtop , I don’t think he will not give you your allowance if he expects to be intimate at the third date . are we just assuming that he is not going to do that or did he say anything like that which indicates that he is not going to give you the allowance even after the panties hit the floor?

      • WTF says:

        @bowtop , may be he was making sure that it is not a platonic and he intends to fuck lol cos may be he had a bad experience in the past

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      Kore, yes I did. Altogether, It was just how he said it that rubbed me the wrong way. Once you have to keep repeating it. I don’t know I’m not a child I don’t need to be told twice.

      • Kore says:

        Yeah.. It’s kind of sad that men end up ruining their chances with things like this. 😀

        If it really rubbed you the wrong way, you probably realized something was a bit off to start with, I’m guessing?
        If you like him the otherwise, I guess you could try telling him how you felt and see if it can be put in the past?

  35. Another anonymous says:

    @ Elaine

    Pot, 41yo, member since 2011, >$1 mill., >$100 mill.

    Really? Is this not a red flag to start with? A guy with assets above 100 million joined the SA in his mid 30s?

    • noname says:

      yep not possible unless he inherited the money

    • Elaine says:

      He stated 41, looked older on pic. And yes, I had my doubts about his net worth, but not because of his age. Btw. don’t make the mistake to think there’s no under 40yo miltimillionaires here. My younger recent ex SD is one and the guy in my earlier post about not paying allowance is too.

      • Anonymous says:

        Thank you for stating this, Elaine. It’s appreciated. There seems to be some type of common misconception that you cannot be both young and wealthy or that you must have “inherited” (not worked for) your wealth. This is tiring.

      • Anonymous says:

        Uhm, sorry to say, but ex SD DID inherit…The other guy is a well known topbanker. I too think most younger guys in the >50mill. range have somehow inherited or they are artists or athletes…

      • Elaine says:

        That Anon was me, sorry. What

      • Anonymous says:

        Elaine, if you chose to say “most” then there is not much argument with this; however, “most” still does not mean all. I am certain you know this, though. It is some of the others on this blog who seem to be in denial of this ability.

        All in all it does not matter, but it is tiring lol.

      • elaine says:

        @Anonymous

        ““inherited” (not worked for) your wealth”

        I wouldn’t state that “inherited” means “not working for”.

        Two of my SDs had “inherited” the familycompany, work like crazy and their efforts brought it to high growth.
        Inheriting also brings a huge responsability with it.

        Two other SDs came from middleclass families and have started from scratch, two came from rich families but started their own companies.

        But whatever the case, I haven’t seen any differences between the 3 groups as far as working very hard, being extremely busy and under a lot of stress or even the way they spend their money. :-)

    • SDaddy says:

      You are looking at the wrong number . If Net worth is $100M and he is only taking $1M annual something is rotten in Denmark. He’s lying of course

      • SDaddy says:

        Sorry for the dupe

      • elaine says:

        No, it isn’t.

        >1 million income is the highest income group on SA, so even who makes 10 million a year would still be in this group. :-)
        But yes, I thought he was lying too.

        And uhm, Denmark?
        He was in UK. LOL

  36. With a Bow on Top says:

    You know what I think we need added to SA anytime you’ve met with a POT there should be a little survey.

    Whether or not they showed up? yes or no
    True to their photos if any? Yes or no
    Over all experience of the date? Scale of 1-10

    I’m sure it would help weed out the nonsense.

    • ks says:

      I agree, yet the general opinion of the site appears to be no ratings…like you I see it as more beneficial than problematic even though it has its shortcomings.

    • Anonymous says:

      This service would work wonders both for SBs and SDs if SA stopped egging on women for no reason other than keeping it difficult for the arrangements to happen.

      I am sure that there are some “players” who keep the account active months in months out but SDs in arrangement don’t keep the membership active.

      SA brings women here with wrong expectations only to let them loose on unsuspecting SDs. The SDs think that they may be approaching these young women incorrectly, and that’s why the arrangements are not happening.

      The SDs try different things for months before giving up not realizing that the arrangements were not going to happen anyway as the promises made by SA to these women were not realistic to start off with.

      Perfect Arrangement was an attempt to screw those SDs even more not appreciating the fact that most of the SDs are middle class men, and would rather spend those thousands of dollars on dates instead of match making services. The target clientele of multimillionaires don’t need such services.

  37. Josh says:

    @SBabyluv

    “That will let him know what time it is…”

    You may wonder why some people stay in abusive relationships. Because they may be getting some kind of “kick” out of such abuse. Pun intended.

  38. Daisy says:

    Hi, So I got contacted with an SD who went straight to ask me about sex and my sexuality. It made me very uncomfortable.
    Does anyone more experienced as an SB have any advice for me and how to deal with these propositions? I would like to have an intimate relationship with my SD, but his approach made me uncomfortable. Do I just ignore him or do I confront him?

    • Anonymous says:

      Next him.

    • SBabyluv says:

      Yeah babe, he’s used to paying prostitutes and SBs who have been led astray. Unfortunately, there are plenty on here..
      Personally, I wouldn’t ‘confront’ or next him yet- I’d correct his misguided ass: Tell him you are looking for an arrangement, and that would include a meet and greet to establish chemistry before discussing sex or a financial arrangement. But chemistry is very important to you.
      That will let him know what time it is…
      Good luck!

    • Frank95 says:

      Given the outcome of the Ashley Madison hacking where what people did on line became public, would you consider:

      If you answer it, or acknowledge such a request, and the site were hacked, what would that look like?

      If he hasn’t worked that out, can he be smart enough to make enough money to pay an allowance anyway?

      So, that’s probably a first sign that he’s after a very short term (meaning a couple of hours) arrangement.

      If you are interested in following up with him, ignore the question, but ask if he will meet up for coffee. Drop the request that you are looking for a long term arrangement, so at some time “before it gets serious” 😉 you expect to exchange positive ID. Now if he baulks at that, you definitely have a pump and dumper on your hands. If there’s a long term relationship, there’s no way to keep it secret, zero. The only way to keep identity secret like that is to limit meetings to a very small number, then disappear. Pump and dump.

      • Frank95 says:

        Whoops, when I wrote “drop the request” I meant to say “make the request”. Ass about I was.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Why would you confront him? If that’s the level of respect he approaches you with as a complete stranger, how do you think he’s going to treat you once you’re on his “payroll”. Use some common sense money does’t give anyone the license to mistreat or disrespect you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t respond to him. Silence is a lot louder than a confrontation.

  39. elaine says:

    Pot, 41yo, member since 2011, >$1 mill., >$100 mill.

    19 hours ago, He:
    Very clever profile.

    18 hours ago, Me:
    Well, I don’t know if it is clever. It is just me. :-)

    17 hours ago, He:
    I’ve just given you access to my private photos, go to my profile to view them.

    16 hours ago, Me:
    Thank you, and here is me :-)

    16 hours ago, Me:
    I’ve just given you access to my private photos, go to my profile to view them.

    16 hours ago, He:
    Wow what an incredibly attractive women you are thank you very much for your pictures

    16 hours ago, Me:
    Thank you, that is very kind!

    16 hours ago, He:
    I only tell it how I see it How is your time here going good or bad

    16 hours ago, Me:
    I am doing quite well here and you? I saw that you are on this side for quite a long time already, so an experienced SD?

    16 hours ago, He:
    Like to think so but this site is up and down . Not sure all that come here fully understand the idea

    16 hours ago, Me:
    So and what’s your idea?

    Right now:
    “The member you are trying to view doesn’t exist or has removed their account.”

    SHOOT ME! Isn’t THAT weird?

    • Kore says:

      Yes, it’s strange. :/

      • Anonymous says:

        Was he married? Perhaps last SB from recent breakup (hence he was looking) outed him to the wife? And he had to eliminate evidence in a hurry?

      • elaine says:

        Yes, that came up in my mind too!

        Well, who cares, I didn’t find him very attractive anyway.
        Also had my doubts about his income and net worth…

        I just found it very strange and that’s why I posted it. :-)

    • Anonymous says:

      You scared him away?

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Maybe since you mentioned how long he’s been on there he decided to delete this profile and create a new one?

      • Elaine says:

        Well, quite a strange timing then, in the middle of a conversation, after 4 years of membership? And I really don’t see anything in that would have chased him off the site! Ps. Anon, yours was the most predictical comment ever! ?

      • Elaine says:

        And, for the record, it was him initiating contact and sending me the first message.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anytime @Elaine. I just wanted to get the predictable out of the way. LOL!

    • NothingStrange says:

      Nothing strange here. He wasn’t having a good time on the site and you just happened to be the interaction that broke the camel’s back. The site’s not what he thought it was so he left

      • elaine says:

        @Nothing

        Well as you could see, the interaction was positive and had just started. And he was on the site already from 2011, so that doesn’t really made sense.

        That being said:
        Another one who contacted me just cancelled his profile too!
        Bad karma…;-)

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Damn Elaine! How many camel’s backs are you going to break in a week? If you keep it up SA is going to have to kick you off the site lol

      • elaine says:

        @Jay

        LOL!
        Yes, and I think some bloggers would be very happy if they did! 😉

        But eh, now these were 2 in 2 days, but it never happened before.
        So I think it was just a weird coincidence and that’s why I posted it in the first place. :-)

      • noname says:

        keep it up elaine if you keep it up SA will have to change the ratio from 4 to 1 to 5 to 1 thats better for the ones left over

      • elaine says:

        Haha, sure @Noname I will do my best! 😉

  40. elaine says:

    Was just about to say how nice the blog atmosphere had become lately, without truce and without a certain person trying to cause turmoil….

    ….Untill I clicked on the “Sweet” topic.:-(

    • noname says:

      agreed elaine it is nicer here now a truce was never needed just people with good manners we can disagree all we want but name calling is not needed

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Apparently all the SDs sound like him lol so delusional he still doesn’t get it. I was right I think everyone by now should notice that with out his presence on the blog things are less acrimonious. We disagree but it doesn’t deteriorate into a free for all.

  41. Jaybird923 says:

    Some very interesting opinions on the IG story… A lot of people seem to think the SD is at fault for her drinking, It makes one wonder exactly how responsible are you for another adults choices and actions? Sure he provided the booze but no one forced her to drink. I think as an adult we all know our limits and when enough is enough. I’ve gone out with people who drink more than I do but I don’t feel a need to match them drink for drink once I’ve reached my limit I stop drinking.

    How many women would’ve remained once you found out the friend was going to be there too? And if I did remain I would stone cold sober there’s no way I’d be drinking. Maybe I’m overly cautious but I would’ve been wary of the whole situation.

    • WTF says:

      @jayb, I don’t think sd had any bad intentions cos she herself says that he did not let the friend do anything wrong by her , and I also don’t think it is uncommon to stay at a friends house over night specially if it is few hours away. that was really stupid of her to do anything with the guy she met at the bar and risking a good sd/sb relationship. the only thing I was saying was that MAYBE sd could have controlled the liquor intake (if possible) and the whole thing could have been avoided .

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I agree he didn’t have any bad intentions which we found out because he stopped anything from happening. What I was referring to is walking into that situation I would be a little uncomfortable. What kind of romantic getaway is that, having your single friend there drinking and hanging out in us? That’s what would set off the alarm bells for me. But like I said it may just be because I’m overly cautious and tend to over think things.

    • Josh says:

      If there were a 22 year-old men and a 44 year-old woman involved then most will blame the man still. The pendulum has swung too far from “she asked for it” era.

    • Kore says:

      I have the impression that Statians have a stigma against drinking, what with the legal age starting at 21 and everything…

      To me, it’s common courtesy to help anyone I have a personal relationship with from having a bad time when we’re supposed to be having fun.

      What I don’t get is how he decided to look the other way – I don’t see the benefit in it for him.

  42. WTF says:

    holly shit what a story , I think she is way out of line here and disrespectful too , the only problem I have with the sd is that he could have controlled the drinks specially if they were together for some time and if he is aware of her getting drunk like this . but again who knows that he tried to stop her and she didn’t give a shit as she said she didn’t while flirting with that guy out side the bar

    • Gentle says:

      Kids drink too much . Anyone who has college age kids knows how rampant binge drinking is . This girl was thrown into an out of control situation and did not have the maturity to handle it . The SD is an alcoholic and obviously can’t control himself ,not to mention his SB. He is responsible for her and blew it -almost allowing her to be raped by his friend .

      • elaine says:

        “He is responsible for her and blew it”

        Since when SDs are considered babysitters for others as their own kids?

        C’mon, what is the purpose of being a SD?
        Taking care of unresponsable kids, or having a drama free, NSA, sexual relationship with a mistress?

    • Anonymous says:

      I think she was out of line too. Her behavior at the bar was unacceptable. But this an example of two toxic people who shouldn’t have ever been together. He’s more than a bit petty to take the gifts back though.

  43. TVC15 says:

    Couple get married after the man catcalls the woman from the back of a garbage truck: {http://bit.ly/1K3h5On}

  44. problem is says:

    thanks jayb for the IG post, very enlightening and as the young lady stated, “she fucked up”, totally fucked up. Within a 2 month relation, she had it all and tossed it. I cannot fault the guy for claiming the goods as I don’t thing she was deserved to loose them. She unconsciously felt entitled and he said fuck it and likely give them away to some college kid that will appreciate them.

    • problem is says:

      she wasn’t deserving and deserved to loose them… fill in the blanks

    • Anonymous says:

      Deserved to lose them? Hasn’t she been intimate with this guy and hold her end of the bargain, and for what, a macbook and a phone? This story couldn’t be more made up. You cannot steal someone’s stuff like that, especially the phone with all the numbers and pictures and probably social media too, it’s illegal. They were in an NSA arrangement and she was drunk to the point of collapsing, and she described him as an alcoholic. Plus his friend tried to molest her. How the fuck can he take away her stuff after all this shit?

  45. Jaybird923 says:

    Cautionary tale from a SB on IG…

    {https://www.instagram.com/p/92ZDfMoxp-/?taken-by=sbnewbiefails}

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      Hmm. Awkward.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        did you read all of them it’s 5 different post to get the whole story. Don’t worry they aren’t long.

        post#2 [www.instagram.com/p/93dRZLIxvX/?taken-by=sbnewbiefails]
        post#3 [www.instagram.com/p/94vg2yoxt0/?taken-by=sbnewbiefails]
        post#4 [https://www.instagram.com/p/99FOKEIxis/?taken-by=sbnewbiefails]
        post#5 [https://www.instagram.com/p/9_-AVvIxmS/?taken-by=sbnewbiefails]

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Yes I did. Its pretty sad. Whether it is true is another story. But if it is. This is why you shouldn’t be a sloppy SB.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        See that’s where we differ. I didn’t think it was sad. A lack of respect for herself and her SD is why she ended up in the situation she did

      • Kore says:

        Huh? Why the hell on earth would anyone take a drunk person to a bar to drink more? The SD was being as careless as she was at this point (after having known her for so long).

      • Jaybird923 says:

        hmm you think he’s as culpable as she is? At first I thought it was a set up so he and the friend could take advantage of her

      • Anonymous says:

        She was the c-word for going to makeout with a guy in the parking lot for 40 minutes, so I understand why he was upset.

        They both made mistakes on alcohol — enabling and consumption.

        He was an a-hole for taking the laptop and phone — those were gifts not a loan.

      • Kore says:

        It’s not so much about blame as it is about responsibility.

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      @Kore thats why I’m not sure if its a true story. The SB is saying she didn’t have a normal bottle of wine. Normal bottle of wine is 4 glasses for 1 person. She said it was “huge” meaning it could’ve only been a MAGNUM then she had 3 bottles of beer and then 3 shots. She should have been on the floor. Let alone how does she remember all of this. I’d be blacked out

      • Jaybird923 says:

        It doesn’t really paint her in a positive light. So I can’t see the benfit in making up such a tale. She didn’t gain anything. Plus some people are heavy drinkers and have a higher tolerance than others. But who knows if it’s real or not just thought it was interesting and different from the normal IG post

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        @Jaybird923 That…is definitely different. It paints neither of the two in positive light. Like you said it shows the lack of respect on both sides. Lack of concern for someones well being. Pure stupidity and carelessness from all involved.

      • Kore says:

        Maybe she puked inbetween?

        The SD took her phone and laptop away – maybe to reclaim any evidence she might have had against him, should she have tried to seek revenge?

      • Anonymous says:

        Strange writing style that I suspect comes from a manic personality that is fantasizing.

  46. Anonymous says:

    Had a friendly argument with my SB last night about Louboutins.

    So when you see an attractive women that is wearing red bottom shoes and she is with an older man, do you think she is a high end escort?

    For background, my SB wanted a pair of CLs. I offered Choos as compromise.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I don’t think it matters what shoe the woman is wearing 9 times out of 10 you see an older man with a very attractive younger woman everyone automatically thinks she’s with you for your money anyways so I wouldn’t waste my time trying to figure out what shoes make it seem like a less likely scenario.

      • Anonymous says:

        Do you think all attractive women that are with older men are escorts?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        No Escort never comes to mind actually unless she’s dressed kind of trashy and over top. Otherwise I just think it’s a natural paring older successful man younger attractive woman. (Unless it’s a Anna nicole/Howard marshall pairing Then I think it’s straight up just about the money)

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      Shoes are shoes. The ones bought at Nordstroms and other fine retailers anyway. But I do believe every SB should have at least one pair of LBs in her closet. It’s like a staple. It’s like an SBs introduction into the Sugarbowl.!

      • SDaddy says:

        LOL -you are glorifying Sugar life. The majority of Sugar couples are at the $1000/month allowance. Most SDs will not be buying LBs or Choos. My SBs are happy with a nice meal out or a $ 100 shopping trip to Marshalls . I would not seek an entitled Princess who thinks she needs designer shoes to have arrived .

        OTOH I have an extremely high maintenance SO who does have a closet full of designer everything . Imelda Marcos had nothing on her . I guess if an SD does not have an SO he could enjoy spoiling his AB to that extent .

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Lols I might be but like I said an SB should own at least 1 pair I didn’t say 100. It’s one of those things every girly girl wants to have in her closet at some point.

      • elaine says:

        With all the fake red borroms around, who really cares?

        For me it is not important what brand something is; I like it or I don’t. A famous brand is not making any difference in that decision.
        Quality does make a difference, brands not the least.

        I think this brand fixation is often a lack of self confidence.
        Some people need to wear brands to build their identity and self confidence.

        Sad…..

      • Josh says:

        Never spend too much time, money or energy on a woman who is not really into you. The one who is into you is not going to require much spoiling anyway.

        Spoiling feeds spoiling. A woman does not start performing any better if you spoil her more. If anything she is going to perform less as a hold out for more spoiling.

        There could be many reasons why regular relationships go south.
        One of the reasons is that women expect ever increasing levels of spoiling…whether it is compliments or material stuff.

        Enjoy the time while they are “into you” then move on.

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t think she is an entitled princess. She has a good job and has no interest in an allowance. I buy her nice things occasionally and take her on business trips with me when it works out for both of us. I have never understood why women like expensive handbags, shoes, etc, but I have learned to accept it. She doesn’t understand why I have several $250 to $500 fishing reels :)

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Women want to just show off to their friends. That’s all it is really

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I agree with you Elaine I could care less what name is stamped on a product as long as it’s made with quality materials and quality construction.

      • elaine says:

        *bottoms

      • Josh says:

        @Anon and @With

        Correct. That money is for showing off. I have no interest in feeding that “need”. I like women who show off to whomever non-monetarily…maybe that’s why I am into brainy women. 😉

      • elaine says:

        “Women want to just show off to their friends. That’s all it is really”

        Exactly! Because most men could’t care less either.

        Man, am I glad I have left all those insecurities and need to show off years behind me…..

      • Admirer says:

        The Loubotins and the Choos are the holy grail worshipped by the Tumblr girls. All the posts over there are dedicated to accumulating as much of these worthless trinkets as possible. It is the validation and the verification they demand to prove you are not a salt daddy. Because all the SD’s over there give 10K/mo allowances, it is mandatory to be given thousand dollar shoes. Funny thing is, they are all Made in China. Resale value? None. Feed that ego.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Shoes or an Envelope full of Cash.
        Cash. All day.

      • Admirer says:

        Women buy all this shit to impress other women. But they tell their men it is for them. Truth is, men don’t give a shit about any of this shit. Women’s insecurity is the root of all this. Only women notice what shoes other women are wearing. If a woman is hot, I would not remember what shoes she was wearing. If a woman is fugly, wearing Loubotins is not not going to make notice her. But when POT SB’s demand extra money to buy expensive make up and clothes for a date, they use the men as an excuse. Oh I am doing it to look good for YOU. truth is, they don’t give shit about you. They give a shit about all the other women who will look at them.

      • Anonymous says:

        What are people talking about? Louboutins are a classic since ’91. People just started hearing about them when they became mainstream but they have been sold in Paris way back. They are great shoes, and not too over the top. Perfect with any outfit! I got them as a gift for my birthday from my Daddy. I have three pairs and I always wear them to bed, with nothing else on, so they do have a positive side.

      • Kore says:

        Yeah, that can happen to a man if he mostly looks at women as if they have no clothes on.

      • TVC15 says:

        “I agree with you Elaine I could care less what name is stamped on a product as long as it’s made with quality materials and quality construction.”

        +2

    • Kore says:

      I had the same issue once and I have to admit, red bottoms could send that kind of message at first.

      Typically, you wouldn’t ask your SO to avoid shoes like that, would you? It’d be more believable that she isn’t an escort if she were allowed to wear what she felt comfortable wearing…

      This would be my tip: Tell her she can only wear them to occasions where people have already seen you together. This way, she comes off as less like a escort since escorts wouldn’t have the freedom of dressing like one. 😀

      It’s not uncommon to see a woman with expensive taste at the side of a rich gentleman.

  47. With a Bow on Top says:

    Oh I’ve got an update for you all. Remember that last minute POT date I had. So he texted me this morning and said “I can’t see myself in an arrangement” but he’d love to hang out “no funny business”and I let him know we’ll if we’re hanging out spoiling is mandatory.

    You can’t win them all but hey girl needs a new pair of shoes. I’ll take it.

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      He might not be a Sugar Daddy but a Spender Daddy is A-Ok

      • SDaddy says:

        At least you don’t have to give up the quan ! This guy is a goal for all of the Platonics in the bowl . Maybe you can broker a referral deal for a cut of the action .

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Lols they’d actually have to meet the man first. We all know how that goes.

      • noname says:

        bow on top or he might not be a daddy at all even non sugar daddies want to date pretty ladies

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        We shall see. I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt at least once.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Plus I’ve stated how I feel about men who want to continue seeing me without an arrangement from Seeking Arrangements. Me hanging out with you because you want good conversation with a pretty girl …. Nooo…Bring a gift or get out my face. This isn’t Match.com where dinner will suffice. :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        Bow, I was going to tell you yesterday that what you had was someone who is looking for something for nothing, but I was pressed for time.

        I would advise you not to waste your time with this guy; however, if you do decide to continue here are his likely moves:

        He will always agree with you.
        He will tell you whatever you want to hear.
        He will mostly always be pleasant and never with mood or anger.
        He will attempt to sweet talk.
        He will attempt to get your feelings involved.
        He will promise whatever you ask for, but you will never see much more than “appeasement” crumbs.

        Sorry, like I said I knew this yesterday, but I was short on time. And btw, this isn’t the first time he’s done this. Most of his moves center around being “the good guy”.

        I like you. You’re a smart woman hence writing this. Be careful and good luck.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Don’t worry Anon. I got this handled. Like I said. I’m not into wasting my time. Thats why they call them Splenda Daddies for a reason. You don’t take them too seriously. You don’t invest too much time and effort into entertaining them. But also I don’t necessarily write them off either. Don’t burn a bridge too soon. Obviously everyone knows the red flags to look out for. You can turn a Splenda into a Sugar Daddy (obviously don’t be stupid and sleep with him until that allowance is in place). But the way I see it…take advantage of a gifting Splenda Daddy. Its platonic he doesn’t mind the gift idea(in my case) and he wants to spend time with me I see it as a win win.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Plus I don’t really like the definition behind “Splenda”. Sometimes “Splendas” do have the funds to be a Sugar Daddy they just don’t want to. They just need a gentle SHOVE.

      • Anonymous says:

        Ah the old “I can change him” scenario lol, interesting. I see, ok. Have fun.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Hahah I have no interest in changing anyone. Hahaha. This isn’t some Oprah episode. Just buy me shit.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        But if he does change his mind thats cool too.

      • Anonymous says:

        Sighs

  48. WTF says:

    findom probably looks common because may talked about it a lot but I am still not sure if people really follow through with transcations . probably different if they meet in person and are involved little more.

  49. Kore says:

    Mhh… Don’t SBs worry about discretion ever? It’s pretty important to me, but how do so many women not care if their faces are viewable to the public on a site like SA? What about the men who would like discretion – suppose they go some place public and someone else realizes that his companion is a SB from SA?

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      I think some girls just genuinely don’t care that people know they are sugar babies. But it’s a personal preference and it depends on the circumstances I guess. For me I live in a fairly small city so I have to be a lot more mindful of my presence on the site.

    • elaine says:

      Yes, it does and for that purpose my public pictures are unrecognizable.

  50. elaine says:

    Hmmm, was wondering…. maybe as a test we should make a fake FinDom profile and see if it receives any messages? 😉

    I really find it hard to believe …

    • noname says:

      elaine findom is very common on twitter a lot of women if you want to call them that bragging and showing the things their slaves bought them

      • elaine says:

        Yes, I know, but I cannot imagine it is a COMMON thing.
        Me thinks it is the smallest of the smallest niches.

        I have checked the FinDoms on SA with my fake male profile, and found most of them abandoned…

        Once I was contacted by an SD who mentioned in his profile that he was into “FinDom”, so after few messages I thought “What the heck” and told him I could not dedicate any more of my time talking with him and we could continue talking only if he would paypal me $100, just to find out what would happen.

        Well it shouldn’t be a surprise really……. 😉

      • Josh says:

        Findom is “very common” in women’s fertile imagination as free money from random men means instant validation.

        Similarly banging a hot chick is “very common” in men’s fertile imagination as free sex from a gorgeous woman means instant validation.

      • noname says:

        elaine i agree that its a niche market to each their own

      • SSSD says:

        It’seems a niche market for conning girls into paying subscription fees for “advice.” We already had that “$15k-for-lunch” scam blowing up as the person from whom they stole pictures from was discovered. Those scams are probably run by men, real dicks and assholes conning naive girls for what little they have, like robbing kids of candies.

      • Josh says:

        “Those scams are probably run by men, real dicks and assholes conning naive girls for what little they have, like robbing kids of candies.”

        Thanks a lot!!! :(

    • noname says:

      but it would be a interesting test to see what happens

    • Josh says:

      Yes it would be interesting to see. Use someone plain like @Princess Steph so that the relative hotness is not a factor.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      @Elaine good idea! You should set up two profiles with the same profile/demographics but one with a really hot girl and one with a plain jane and see if that makes a difference

      • elaine says:

        Well, why don’t we make it up al together here?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        oohh a class project! this could be fun. Maybe instead of the findom thing we create two profiles one with the characteristics the men on the blog say is important and an alternate one with characteristic we think are important than we send messages to the same men from both profiles and see who gets the most responses

      • elaine says:

        Sounds like fun, but I have my own profile already to know the men here on blog are wrong in their assumptions.
        I have nearly all characteristics that according to their theories is not attractive for Pot SDs. :-)

        So I am much more interested in the “FinDom” project! LOL

      • TVC15 says:

        Yes please

    • Anonymous says:

      I played around with a FinDomme for a while just to see what it would be like. I had to step out of the situation as I didn’t find it as rewarding as I thought it would be. I’m not saying it wasn’t arousing to an extent, but I prefer more “bang” for my “buck”.

  51. Josh says:

    There’s NOTHING wrong with what @Princess Stephy is doing. More power to her. Let’s see how a male version would read like…shall we? 😉

    About Me

    You will address me as King or Master only. Our conversation will be short, I will not waste my time with you meaningless questions I am busy as it is. If I give you my time you should feel “gratefu” (whatever that means). First contact will be here you are to give your name, a kik or email address and send your nude photo as a tribute, I will then respond to where it is to be sent once it is sent we will make an arrangement and our contact from then on will by email or text only. You are not to bother me by text and only speak when spoken to.

    What I’m looking for

    I Desire your nudes just like you desire to give it to me. Your a whore a nude cow what desired arrangement could a loser want but to spend her nakedness on me her King/ Master. If your good you may get a gift from me a gift card here and there, maybe a $100 bill, or even better a little gift box with my cum laced underwear in them. But that is if you please me and I am only interested in your nudes. So don’t waste my time.

    • Admirer says:

      Mr. NudeDom guy will get about as many replies as Princess FinDom will in both of their profiles: ZERO Sure there might be one or two really sick cuckold millionaires in the world. There might be one or two sexually deviant exhibitionist women with very low self esteem who need social media validation and will send nudes. But the odds are very very slim.

    • PABrewer says:

      I replied to a findom post once. It pretty much followed the script above.

      You will be my cash pig. Worship me and I’ll let you look at me occasionally. Etc.

      It was hands down the best convo I’ve ever had on SA. I did lay out very quickly that I had zero interest in findom, but that I had so much fun reading her post I had to respond. At some point I did offer to take her and her slave boy on vacation to the beach, where he could make us mai tais, and we could keep sending them back until they were perfect. We couldn’t make it work out though, and since that wasn’t even close to the arrangement I was looking for, I dropped the conversation.

  52. elaine says:

    [https://faces.ethz.ch]

    Now this is a great tool for everyone who wants to rationalize the “worth” of people.

    A computerprogram where an you can upload a picture and with an algorythm analyzes (so, based upon complete rational parameters) of which gender you are, how old, and if you are “Hmmmm…/ok/nice/hot/stunning/godlike”.

    If not accurate, at least it is funny and entertaining! :-)

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      Haha! It took me for 39 and “Stunning”

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Josh but I’m 26 and it said my butt was damn near 40. Maybe I should have avoided the duck lips. :-(

      • Josh says:

        Well, don’t know about 39, but you do look older than 26 for sure. Sorry…but such feedback is NOT ALWAYS bad.

        The good news is that you can take photos with different makeup and lighting and see if the site considers you younger. Then you would turn it around in your favor.

      • Josh says:

        As far as the duck face, you are correct. I have never heard any heterosexual man saying that they like women’s duck faces. Does it mean that subliminally men considers them older? Who knows…but many Western women are on a warpath to look weird with their duck faces, tattoos, piercings and now extreme body mutilations. Just don’t expect all men to come along with the validation journey. Some will…many won’t.

        Note: Gay men “may” like them, as they may be taking selfies in duck faces themselves.

      • Josh says:

        I just checked another one from Austin. She is listed as 19. One of her photos showed up as 22 and the other as 30. As far as I am concerned, she is somewhere between 22 and 30 and NOT 19.

        If I were not using the site, I would have guessed high 20s. 😉

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Ha I guess you’re just going to have to wait until my new profile photo gets approved. Ill prove you wrong @Josh *Shakes fist*

      • Josh says:

        That’ll indeed be an achievement. 😉

    • With a Bow on Top says:

      What does that mean for me in the sugar bowl

      • elaine says:

        That you are officially a post wall old hag and from now on you will have to pay the SDs for having sex with you. LOL 😉

        No discussing any further, this happens when you apply parameters to human beings and the rational computer is always right! LOL

      • noname says:

        it means you better you better hurry up and get a SD times running out lol i don’t think you have to worry about your future in the sugar bowl

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        I guess this was just never meant to be @Elaine @noname there goes my hopes and dreams of becoming spoiled entitled brat.

      • elaine says:

        Yep! Poor thing….. :-(

        But Hey! Don’t give up, accoording to some you still might stand a chance with some bald, fat >70 yo! 😉

      • noname says:

        lol

      • Josh says:

        This site is great for estimating age for men as well as women. So far it has been correct with 6-7 photos from SA profiles I submitted.

        As per the site @ImSoFancee is 33, as her photos show. Her profile age is 27, which no one believed anyway.

      • Kore says:

        @Elaine Thanks for the share! That was fun. ^^

      • Josh says:

        And @kaayce below is showing up as 21 even though her profile age is 25. Now there are two possibilities…either one of her photos is from when she was 21 or she has a baby face.

      • elaine says:

        Try mine Josh.

        You will laugh your ass off!

      • Josh says:

        The photo you sent me is not clear enough. It estimates such photos on the low side. For example, @Frank’s photo will tell you that he is 20 years old.

      • Kore says:

        My results ranged from 21 to 29.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I got 22 not really a surprise that’s the age people always guess in real life. Thanks mom and dad for the great genes. LOL good find Elaine thanks :-))

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I just tried another pic and it said it seems this person is under 18 and they do not display results for under aged persons lol I love this app but in this one my hairs in a ponytail which I already knew made me look younger than normal

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Kenna

        I am surprised the program did not rewrite itself to tell you how smart you are as well…

        Have a nice day :-).

      • Anonymous says:

        Did it ask you for your ID @Jay?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Haha it didn’t bother it knew with certainty that I was under age :-))

    • SSSD says:

      Ha, the program thinks I’m 29!

    • Bye Felicia says:

      That was fun. I got 24 and hot. I’m hot, but no longer 24 :-)

  53. Anonymous says:

    wondering how this is going to work and how successful is this one ea5ba7331

    • Admirer says:

      She gets extra points for extreme honesty. You know what you are in for so don’t come crying home to your momma.

      I loved it when she used the word “tribute”. Sounds like the Hunger Games.

      • Anonymous says:

        not sure how far her honesty is going to take her and if any sd is going to go for it ….sds will any one of you go for it ??

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I don’t know how many guys sre into findom on SA but a lot of guys are. Check out her site very interesting [http://www.financialdomination.com/journal/]

      • Rat says:

        Nobody can go for it. she’s gone

      • Admirer says:

        Profiles like that are a breath of fresh air. Straight to the point. Not my cup of tea but there is no hint of deception. Can’t get any more blunt than “I am only interested in yo’ money”. It’s the sly, coy, misleading platonic ones you need to watch out for.

      • SSSD says:

        Sure, my story is even better: my SB made over $10k for me today shorting the market on a sub account while I was busy boinking another SB in the next room. I think my story is more believable than the findom nonsense.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Not really more believable if she could make 10K shorting the markets she wouldn’t really need you especially since you’re boinking other women besides her. :-))

      • SSSD says:

        She can only make that much in a day with the trading capital and instructions for the day that I provide. She is not jealous because there is never any chance the future baby in her uterus turns out not to be hers, a risk that only poses to men.

        In any case, that proposed fantasy writing aside, it’s interesting to note that a woman would jump on potential problem with such a story, but have no difficulty believing Findom nonsense even after previous proven falsehood withe similar nonsense. The men in those Findom fantasy would have to be as stupid as if the corresponding story from me had talked about had hot young women make profit from their own capital and then “tribute” to me on top of sex. I’m great in bed, but not that good :-)

        People have to exercise their BS-detectors, sometimes.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        you said your story was more believable. Men are into some weird shit (pun intended) so it’s not beyond the realm of possibility to believe there are some men into findom. But the possibility of woman earning over $10K in a day and handing the money to you knowing you sleep with other women… I find that highly unlikely with some form of coercion or brainwashing. :-))

      • SSSD says:

        No coercion or brainwashing necessary, except for mildly rough sex for fun and her own natural dopamine+oxytocin washing through her body giving her momentary high on the spot fusing good synaptic memories for the future.

        Like I said in the original post, “sub-account” means she is given a level of privilege to use my capital. She wouldn’t be able to trade securities without capital.

        Incidentally, in such a scenario, she would automatically see Frank’s test satisfied too when sitting down to trade.

      • TVC15 says:

        SSSD’s breathing in shorter and shorter gasps now.

      • Anonymous says:

        @TVC
        If you are cutting off your partner’s breath, you are not doing it right.

      • TVC15 says:

        Speak for yourself. 😉

  54. WTF says:

    why didn’t I get the memo about moving here ? anyways questions for both sb and sd . what percentage of the times you are using condoms ? and if you do, when and at what point do you decide to not to use them anymore ?

    • Admirer says:

      You don’t use them anymore the night after you exchange “I do’s” and each of you have a nice shiny ring on your fourth left finger.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I think a sugar relationship is no different than a regular one. You take same things into consideration that you normally would. Though I see a lot of comments and post from women SDs demanding unprotected sex right off the bat. I personally would be wary of anyone who wants to fuck a perfect stranger with no rubber. But we’re all adults so do what works for you as long as you’re prepared to live with the potential consequences of your decision.

    • SDaddy says:

      I screen out condom users. I demand that my SB be tested and monogamous.
      A monogamous 22 yr old ? Haha -you say ?

      I find many who are not into sex for sex sake,and are busy with school and hanging out with their peers. Liars ? Sure, it happens ,but I make it clear that I need bareback but will pull out on occasion while I am getting her comfy. OTOH ,I am not into the obsession some guys have with oral(receiving) ,swallowing ,anal ,spraying seed all over their face ,tits ,etc. I enjoy making love.

      • Test says:

        Do you see more than one SB at a time?

        Do they ask you to show test results as well? If so that requires you to share your real name.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        Hmm. Sips Tea. You do that.

      • SDaddy says:

        Nobody asks. I am a very respectable looking guy . They don’t know but I am clear. If an SB is a disease freak I next her quickly . How can you make love when someone is freaking out about secretions -oral as well as genital. One of my great pleasures in life is giving oral to an appreciative Baby .

        I see one at a time .

      • Anonymous says:

        You ask but don’t deliver? Hypocrite.

      • Admirer says:

        It’s all fun and games until your T-cell count drops to nonexistent levels and you are suddenly diagnosed with Kaposi’s sarcoma. Pretty soon, you and Charlie Sheen are BFF’s.

      • With a Bow on Top says:

        @Admirer *raises eyebrow* *Continues to sip tea* Haha. @Admirer. You said it best.

      • SDaddy says:

        keep using those rubbers my friend . They will delay your ejaculation another few pumps. I also try to stick with ladies who don’t inject Drugs or service the gay population .

      • TVC15 says:

        “If an SB is a disease freak I next her quickly.”

        That’s considerate of you.

      • SDaddy says:

        Thank you . My SB needs to be into me AND my secretions

      • TVC15 says:

        In that case I’m sure you wait at least 6 months between sex partners so HIV can become detectable, and then have a full STD screen done which you present to new potentials.

  55. gyro says:

    I would watch out for situations for when you come a across a partner who wants to enjoy sex without protection on the first date.

  56. Anonymous says:

    Funniest profile of the day!

    e4409c731

  57. Jaybird923 says:

    Question for the SBs when you conduct a search on SA what criteria do you use to filter? I always used Body type, age, height, and relationship status.

    • Anonymous Baby says:

      Allowance range and age.

    • Admirer says:

      You don’t care about income and net worth?

      This is not eharmony.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Nope I don’t for two reasons 1) I’m more than capable of providing for myself. I Don’t live beyond my means. My reason for being here was to find someone with the right personality and who I was compatible with sexually. Someone who’s okay with things remaining what it is. No talks about where things are going etc. Anything beyond that is a bonus. It didn’t matter to me what form that bonus took… travel, just entertainment, money, etc. I left that up to him.

        2) I know that those numbers are useless anyway if 1 out of 100 people are honest about their income/networth I’d be surprised.

      • Admirer says:

        You are right. The real rich dudes understate their income and income. The broke SD’s overstate them. I laugh out loud at profiles with net worth of “100 Million” and not a single grammatically correct sentence. Could not differentiate b/w there, their, and they’re.

      • Admirer says:

        “income and net worth” typo

      • Jaybird923 says:

        LoL In NYC alone there are 193 SDs with a net worth of 100 million or more only 4 of them might be the real deal diamond members Income verified. that’s why every time I read a profile or see a comment about only contacting SDs with a million dollar income. I just shake my head and laugh if that’s how you’re choosing SDs chances are you’re going to end up with a scammer

      • Admirer says:

        These SD’s are confused. They do not realize that “100 Million” net worth is actually in dollars or preferably, euros.

        They think it is in Yen or Pesos.

    • TVC15 says:

      Age, smoking, relationship status, net worth.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I forgot about that one only non smokers for me. Do anyone care to share specifics? Mines were:

        body type: slim,athletic,average
        Age:45-55
        height: 5’10” and up
        relationship status: single, divorced, widowed

    • Anonymous says:

      Allowance and age

    • anonymous says:

      Age, if he smokes or not, how much he drinks, allowance range.

  58. TVC15 says:

    Three ancient hags are the faces of the new Balmain campaign: bit.ly/1ZQIyMv

    They look so great, it takes a minute or two to realize how horrible the clothes are!

  59. Jaybird923 says:

    Out of curiosity just for fun I conducted a search for within 50 miles of NYC using the ideal from that study and came back with only 23 results and only 9 were active within the last month.

    And when I included the top keywords I came back with 0.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well see they all were grabbed up! lol j/k

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Out of the 9 that were active within a month 2 have been on here since 2014, 3 since 2012, 1 summer 2015, 3 fall 2015

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Correction when I conducted the search using all of the keywords at once I came back with zero. yoga 2, energetic 1, sensual 3, open minded 0

      • TVC15 says:

        Nobody open-minded living in or near New York? I really had the wrong idea about the place. :)

      • Jaybird923 says:

        No open minded single blondes with green eyes bachelor degree or higher between the age of 26-31. everyone else is a freak :-)

      • Admirer says:

        What does “open minded” mean?
        Is that someone who had brain surgery?

        That sounds insane!

      • TVC15 says:

        Admirer, how old are you? Seriously? You come off as being about 102.

      • Admirer says:

        There is no way you can open a mind unless you take an electric saw to the skull. Preferably in the hands of a competent Neurosurgeon.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Let him be TVC. He’s not so bad anymore since he laid off following the half wits around the blog. He’s getting better with his attempts at being funny. But since this one was incredibly childish I’ll only admit to smiling …maybe a giggle but I did not lol :-))

      • TVC15 says:

        Oh, it’s a joke? OK then, I’ll lay off. :)

      • Anonymous says:

        Like I said. Unicorn.

  60. kaayce says:

    Lots of great comments!!

  61. Anonymous says:

    Well said!!!

  62. TVC15 says:

    666, baby!

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I would say that’s childish but I did the same thing on the other blog. I wanted to be post # 3000 I was by the way but didn’t feel a need to announce it. I’m so much more mature than you tvc lol :-))

    • Frank95 says:

      Ooh. Doing it here too!

      Watch it, or I might start calling you names…like “entitled princess”…that’d teach you….hahaha. 😉

      And at my age, you couldn’t call me an “Entitled young pump and dumper”…so “ha!”..although “grandpa” has a certain cachet…

    • Frank95 says:

      Probably a SD with the handle “Mark of the Beast”

  63. Jaybird923 says:

    With a Bow on Top says:
    January 7, 2016 at 12:11 pm
    The perfect mistress…hmm SA tell me where that unicorn is.

    {http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/10/11/2B3E7FB300000578-3192036-image-m-26_1439201747420.jpg}

    More importantly check out the age range and the allowance range according to blog law that shouldn’t be the case. Also keep in mind that this what is searched for not who people are actually making arrangements with.

    • problem is says:

      What’s about that ‘Unicorn’ “Hot Sauce”?

      • Admirer says:

        So the ideal mistress is a single college educated green eyed blonde about 28 years old with an athletic physique and asking for Moderate allowance.

        That is my summary of the mosaic picture.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Is that what any of you are looking for? Also the results only took into account what married men searched for not anyone else. So like all studies but out by SA this one is kind of useless too. Just another piece for publicity. Just like the other one about allowances.

      • TVC15 says:

        What I take from this is that the ideal mistress is an ancient hag. That gives me some hope for my future. :)

      • Admirer says:

        I don’t know what the “ideal” is but my search parameters are: White, Asian, or Hispanic, ages 18-29, slim or athletic, and non-smoker and single. Kids are okay but has to be divorced and not “separated”. Don’t care about education or job. I next profiles stating platonic, arm candy, or princess.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        As an ancient hag myself I can tell you that there is hope. I haven’t been put out to pasture yet.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        How many people actually conduct searches based on hair color?

      • Admirer says:

        I doubt any one chooses hair color as a search parameter. Any idiot can go to Walgreens and buy a bottle of hydrogen peroxide. They don’t even check your ID.

      • TVC15 says:

        Some guys have a “thing” for blondes, redheads, brunettes. I don’t think that’s as common for women.

        “Any idiot can go to Walgreens and buy a bottle of hydrogen peroxide.”

        Just because it’s fake, doesn’t mean it’s not your hair colour. :)

      • Anonymous says:

        “How many people actually conduct searches based on hair color?”

        Probably more people do this than you think. I know that I am one. I’m not attracted to women with certain hair colours.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Really? I have a preference for dark hair but not enough that I find other people without it unattractive. Depending on which hair color you find attractive that must severely limit the pool of eligible women available for you to choose from

      • TVC15 says:

        Yep, I have a preference too but it’s not limiting. I think it’s much more likely to be limiting for men.

      • Anonymous says:

        I find several hair colours attractive, so it’s workable. I just don’t like blondes or unnatural hair colours such as pink or green (lol).

      • TVC15 says:

        (1) What about strawberry blonde or dirty blonde?

        (2) What if she were perfect otherwise, and willing to dye her hair for you?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Also does it make a difference if the hair color is natural or from a drugstore?

      • Anonymous says:

        “(1) What about strawberry blonde or dirty blonde?”

        Colour samples, please? lol I don’t know the difference between these variations TVC haha. When I say blonde I mean this type of yellow/golden hair.

        “(2) What if she were perfect otherwise, and willing to dye her hair for you?”

        If she were perfect, otherwise, then she wouldn’t even need to dye the hair. I can adjust for “perfect otherwise”.

  64. Cheryl says:

    On the flip side of this post – when to bring up allowance? I’ve been on two dates with a potential and we seem to be getting along well. I can totally see sex happening naturally in time with this person. When does allowance happen? My fear in breaching the subject is that it suddenly makes things less natural – I want everything to progress as naturally as possible. But at the same time, I don’t want to waste anybody’s time.

    • Admirer says:

      Just tell him “I am ready to start our arrangement anytime you are.” This means it is time for him to do his part and time for you to do your part. Quid pro quo. There is no mention of “money” or “sex”.

      • SDaddy says:

        You are on SA -right ? And you are looking for an SD ,not a BF -right ? Well don’t try to make it something it isn’t. It is an arrangement . So say ” I really like being with you . If you feel the same let’s talk about the details so we can get started “

    • TVC15 says:

      Hopefully he won’t pretend to be shocked and appalled at the idea of an allowance, and claim to have had no idea that you had any such thing in mind. :)

  65. Anonymous says:

    I am an older man who is in great shape. If I just want sex then there are many sites that can offer sex that’s less expensive than being with a SB. What an escort can offer is only mechanical. There is no emotion attached to it is strictly business. I’m not into that anymore. I’d like some excitement to a evening in the bed. So, I have found this site.
    I treat all women with total respect. I don’t ask for sex on the first date but I am not going to pay a lot money for her “time”. She is getting treated to a fabulous dinner and drinks and I usually have a small gift for her. But the initial date is for the BOTH of us to see if there is a connection. I understand that I am going to get the benefit of being with a younger and attractive woman but that doesn’t mean that I don’t have a say on whether or not this woman is someone I want to have intimacy with. I have found some women that I have dated from this site to be robotic and some women almost ashamed that they are with an older man due to their desperation for money. I do not want to be with those women.
    Now if she is pleased with me and I the same with her and we connect then giving her money even when she is on her period is doable. I want to help her in any way I can. If she is in need of funds then I’ll give it to her.
    A SD is suppose to treat her SB love and caring. That is what Daddy’s do.

    • TVC15 says:

      Well said, Daddy. :)

      • SDaddy says:

        You will have the girls atwitter hearing that they get money for the privilege of having a period . I wouldn’t open that can of worms if I were you .

      • Admirer says:

        If you do that, you will will encounter a new species. A female that has menstruation 30 days out of a month.

        There are “other” OPTIONS when Aunt Flo is visiting.

  66. Anonymous says:

    If your SB is on her period will you still give her the allowance for that week/meet?

    • ATLSD says:

      Hello…She has other holes!!

    • noname says:

      anon yes you should

    • Anonymous says:

      You don’t do per meets/ or per weeks. That combined with the fact that you have to ask whether you should give her an allowance when she’s on her period makes my wonder WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON SA, GO TO BP OR ESCORTS R US. Idiot!

      • Frank95 says:

        Yes, I always ask my pots to go by an allowance, paid at the end of the month.

        Funnily enough, they then seem to prefer payment by the date.

        Now, since the guy asking was obviously starting an arrangement, perhaps payment per date is appropriate until trust is established.

        Like I said, there are not many SBs out there willing to trust that a SB will pay at the end of the month, so why even offer?

  67. Rob1969 says:

    And as for your comment SSSD, I imagine you’ve had plenty of phrases ending in ‘off’ from ladies on this site.

  68. Rob1969 says:

    Fundude, I really don’t see why you have to be so horribly rude to Rachel (unless, as seems the case, you want to tell us all what a fantastic hunk you are who has such pulling power he doesn’t need to pay a dime. From my perspective you sound pretty insecure). I’ve had some great dates through this site and some have quickly led to intimacy where there was a real connection and others have not, but nearly every date was fun and I’ve met some interesting and beautiful girls. I don’t expect sex on the first date and I do expect to pay a reasonable sum to cover the girl’s time. Yes there are some crazy ladies who think guys are going to shell out crazy amounts, but there are far more who are reasonable in their expectations and want expenses plus a bit of help because they don’t earn much.

    And the reason I’ve used this site is that I want to meet a real girl who becomes a friend as well as bed companion. I don’t know what your definition of mutual respect is, Fundude, but for me it extends to someone who is more than a quick bang.

    Rachel, I hope you find someone polite and caring who treats you with respect.

    Oh, and in case you’re wondering, Fundude, I’m not some desperate 60 or 70 year old who is overweight, dull or into himself. I’m a normal, well paid, English divorcee lawyer who still has hair and thinks he is probably just as attractive as you seem to be but who actually thinks woman are worth wooing and charming. That’s where the ‘Fun’ comes in ‘Dude’.

    • FatB'StardSA says:

      You want to buy a friend as well as an escort and you figure combining the two is a good strategy…

      @Rachel might be a good match for you, you seem desperate enough to meet her allowance demands.

      Have a nice day :-).

    • Rachel says:

      Lets have a round of applause for this real sugar daddy! Thank you dear, I wish more men on here thought the way you did. I bet all of your sugar babies love and adore you to pieces.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Rachel

        You should contact Rob1969, he seems to be interested in you.

      • Fundude says:

        Yeah he is the perfect mangina.

        Of course you wouldn’t have a LTR with him or have kids with him or would likely be sexually repulsed by this mangina.

        Ergo, its AFBB. She fucked her bad boy boyfriend who kicked her ass to the curb. Now she has this weak beta to finance her kid.

        Got to love it.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @FunDude

        @Rachel seems like a bargain at “substantial”…

        The thirst in @Rob1969 is strong. I actually salute men like this, the more they support someone else’s children the fewer the tax dollars that come out of my pocket.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        well if it isn’t one of the minions come to bow and scrape in the hopes of being patted on the head…

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Jaybird/@Kenna

        I would rather be a minion of @FunDude than @Rachel any day.

        At least @FunDude does not expect me to support his children.

      • Fundude says:

        @FB

        LOL so true

        The guy makes a good cuckhold.

        Now she doesn’t have to depend on welfare since we all know her “ex” was probably an ex con or something.

      • Fundude says:

        @FB

        Do you think jaybird is kenna?

        I wouldn’t doubt it.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        1) she never expressed any interest in either of you.

        2)He never expressed interest in her he just called you what you are and what everyone on the blog alreadt knew Insecure

        3)Sure I’m kenna. you guys aren’t reaching at all

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @FunDude

        @Rachel did say she cannot be with her baby daddy due to safety reasons…

        I have nothing against @Rachel though, she is doing whatever she can to support her child. If @Rob1969 or @Frank95 desire to support her then more power to them and there is no helping these men. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.

        Does @Kenna = @Jaybird? They both claim to be successful black SB’s who live in Manhattan and date older uber rich white men IRL. Coincidence?

      • Fundude says:

        FB,

        You made a great point.

        She has the same location, body type, ethnicity, etc as Kenna. She showed up right after Kenna left.

        Kenna was exposed to be a fraud. Magically, Kenna disappears and Jaybird shows up.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        lol

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Jaybird/Kenna

        @Rachel is out of my budget range. I am sure she has no interest in me in any case as I am too poor, too old and not hot enough for her.

        I was thinking that @Rob1969 or @Frank95 or @Magic Mike would make good candidates. They seem to have no problems supporting a young single mom.

      • Anonymous says:

        And where did I read FD’s post that he does not use shaming language, or ad hom attacks on people?

    • Jaybird923 says:

      “Fundude, I really don’t see why you have to be so horribly rude to Rachel (unless, as seems the case, you want to tell us all what a fantastic hunk you are who has such pulling power he doesn’t need to pay a dime. From my perspective you sound pretty insecure). ”

      Bingo! Rob you hit the nail on the head. Now prepare yourself, because you disagree with him and contridict his “factual” statements he is now going to call you several greek alphabets

      • Fundude says:

        That pussy won’t post his pics/age/etc. I don’t expect a face pic due to anonymity but lets see the physique brah.

        Talk is cheap. I promise he is some weak fat omega (yes thats the Greek alphabet for him)

      • Fundude says:

        Just checked his profile.

        Dude is a 47 year old divorced man with kids. He has no pics, so likely he a fat omega nerd.

        His wife took his ass to the cleaner because he is a weak omega that she lacked respect for.

        Now he is trying his “nice guy” act because of his low SMV thinking this will benefit him.

        He will be taken advantage of again due to his low SMV status.

        AFBB in action.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Ah look! You’ve just witnessed his one amazing talent Rob. I have no idea why he bothers “practicing medicine”. He could make a killing doing this. You see he has a crystal ball that he uses to see things about people’s lives that he’s never met. He keeps it stored up his ass that where he got all this info about you from.

      • Fundude says:

        @Jaybird

        It doesn’t take a genius to determine the value of the dude.

        How often do you see a high level guy White Knighting for a single mom with an angry/entitled attitude?

        The method is common among low value dudes.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        He didn’t seem angry to me he just called insecure and moved on to share his experiences in the sugar bowl… because like you know unlike you he like actually have some. But that’s stupid who actually post on a sugar blog when you’re like involved in the life style.

      • Fundude says:

        He stated multiple insults including “insecure”, being “better looking”, etc.

        It wasn’t stated in a nice manner, therefore, I can be honest back with him.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        “…just as attractive as you seem to be”

        That’s exactly what he said you reading comprehension skills really sucks or it must be the insecurity thing. You think because you know it’s true? who knows lol

    • Fundude says:

      LOL post your pics then to see the physique brah. I haven’t heard anything about your age or any other attributes.

      You sound like a weak mangina, so I’m positive you are a low value dude.

      She sounds like the perfect match for you. Some weak mangina that has low SMV with a single mom with an entitled attitude.

      You will be her perfect weak bitch lol

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Rob you hit a nerve fundude is alittle to defensive and angry. Look at all the emotionally charged language. Tsk tsk

      • Fundude says:

        Sing it, bring it lol

      • Anonymous says:

        He is getting very unhinged. FunDude is not emotionally or even mentally sound. He appears to be very insecure to attack others so much. Not a normal person or reaction.

      • Fundude says:

        @jaybird

        I have no “truce” with some guy that insults me.

        Until someone actually moderates this place, I will continue to defend myself when attacked.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Yeah sure the defense was in proportion to the attack….totally normal reaction

      • Anonymous says:

        Until someone actually moderates this place, I will continue to defend myself when attacked.

        That statement means: Until someone actually moderates this place and bans me again, I will continue to troll indefinitely.

      • Fundude says:

        I’ve never been banned before lol

        @Jaybird

        Yeah, getting tired of the shit talking against me without hitting back.

        Attempted to be the “nice” person but no one really wanted to abide by that.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Yes you were fundude When were using disquis and you came back using your other profile the one you use to harass people on the medical boards … remember if not I’ll gladly post the links to the blogs.

        And you never attempted any nice guy anything. you can talk shit about everyone else but no one can about you or you get your panties in a bunch waa waaa Him said I insecure him hurt my feelings.

      • Fundude says:

        Now It makes sense with you jaybird.

        You are kenna. Wow.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @FunDude

        I tried to warn you. You cannot have any conversation with @Kenna or @TVC15 without them becoming nasty.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        telling truth = becoming nasty

      • Anonymous says:

        FB where did you get the idea that Jaybird is Kenna?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Out of his ass. You see in an effort to prove he’s the real FB fake fuck has been reading some of the old blogs because he wanted me to question him about the real FB’s interactions with other blog personalities. I declined to do so since everyone already knows he’s a fake and has even admitted it himself so he has stopped reading and is missing the pieces in the middle.

        Since someone mentioned kenna yesterday he read up on her so he has some info and think making generic comparisons will be proof enough. Call the person who keeps accusing you of being fake a fake…problem solved.

  69. J says:

    I can’t imagine being dopey enough to pay any of these women for a meeting without sex. I don’t even want to have a drink with them. I just want to meet at a hotel and bang them and get rid of them. Do the guys here actually want more?

    • TVC15 says:

      Yes. What you’re looking for is a hooker, not a sugar baby. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t pay for a meeting without sex. But yes some of us want more. Most girls on this site though just want to keep it sex only.

      • Anonymous says:

        Actually most girls want platonic only. Where did you get that idea from?

      • Josh says:

        From Seeking Arrangements’s marketing…where else?

      • Anonymous says:

        That’s true. Most girls just want quick cash from sex two or three times a month. It’s not about marketing. It’s about what’s here on the site.

        Girls are trying to take the easy road by just giving sex, and that’s it. It’s hard to find girls who actually want to do things besides just go straight to a hotel.

        I guess it’s because sex is light for this generation, and it’s no big deal. I don’t think most even realize what they’re interested in is prostitution and if they do, they don’t even care. It’s all about getting back to real life and having fun with the money they got for doing what they do so much already, having sex.

    • noname says:

      actually we do want more than that

    • Anonymous says:

      BACKPAGE ALERT. PIMP DETECTED. AIDS CLEANING PROCESS BEGINS.

  70. SSSD says:

    @Rachel,

    You will be better off treating your first meeting as a job interview. It’s unlikely the interviewer will pay you for job interview.

    Considering that you gave your egg and 9 months of uterus use to a violent asshole without charging him any rent, chances are that some idiots “nice guy” succumbing to paying you for first meeting before even meeting you is going to be a major turn-off for you anyway. Good luck finding someone with enough backbones to keep you content but not asshole enough to dump you after a short while.

  71. Rachel says:

    Im going to clear something up for all of the “sugar daddies” who think that they don’t owe sugar babies anything in the “get to know you” phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I’m going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise – FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that’s the only thing I’m getting out of it you can forget it. If I’m giving you my time and attention that I wouldn’t be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the “get to know” phase. You don’t have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.

    • Fundude says:

      You can expect anything you want.

      You are just not worth paying an allowance to without intimacy for the vast majority of SDs.

      Also, you likely work a minimum wage job.

      Ergo, a “fair” rate would be the money you make at work coupled with the time you spend on the first date.

      So if you’re first date went 3 hours, maybe you could argue they should give you 30 dollars for your time.

      Why is your “time” more valuable than the money you make through an employer?

      • Admirer says:

        I completely agree with the poster. The SB should be compensated for her time doing the get to know you phase. Just bring me a pay stub and I will compute your hourly rate. I will also pay for your gas or Uber fare. I will gladly pay for our meals. Remember, I am also not earning any money when we are together but I am not going to ask to be compensated with sex. The actual alllowance will not start until the actual physical arrangement starts.

      • Rachel says:

        That is solely your opinion, that I’m not worth paying an allowance to – without being intimate first. Seeing as I don’t work minimum wage, that wouldn’t be fair. And if I did work minimum wage I wouldn’t have to do my make up, curl my hair, wear heels and a dress and go on a date with an older man/ someone I’ve never met before. I would be handing people their food, with no make up on and my hair up in an ugly work uniform and sneakers. Understand now?

      • Fundude says:

        @Rachel

        You can give the SD receipts for those costs. He can reimburse you.

        He just won’t give you any allowance on top of your costs.

        Men are not fond of giving allowances for nothing.

      • Rachel says:

        That would actually be more expensive for the sugar daddy. Let me explain why. I’m a licensed Full cosmetology specialist in the state of Florida. To get your hair fixed (shampoo, condition, blow dry, hair protection, curler/straightened) takes a good 2 hours & I charge 80$ for that service. You don’t want your sugar baby to have a unibrow or mustache do you? Waxing services 15$ for eyebrows, 10$ for upper lip. Do you like ugly unpainted/ scraggly nails? Chances are you don’t, that’s another 45$. I charge 50$ to do a full face of make up . I wouldn’t charge anything for getting dressed. But I would also need to be compensated for gas probably around 20$, & My baby sitter charges 10$ an hour. NOW LETS DO SOME GREAT MATH!!! 80 + 15 + 10 + 50 + 20 + 45 + 10/h = 230 If the date only lasts an hour. Your welcome.

      • Fundude says:

        @Rachel

        You don’t need to have all those things done before a coffee date or some lower key meeting.

        Most of those things you described would be done for yourself, regardless of the “date” with the SD.

        Ergo, you are just trying to expense stuff to a potential SD that mostly benefits you only.

      • Admirer says:

        A cosmetologist does not make $230/hr. You would be making more than a family practice physician. Like I said, Bring your pay stub and I will compute your hourly rate. If you have to do all that make up before a date then you must be hideous underneath. That is called “padding and expense account”. Do you photoshop your pictures as well before posting thme online?

      • Rachel says:

        You get what you pay for. If your having girls meet for coffee in casual clothes and no make up – I guess minimum wage would be fair. The only offers I get are to country clubs, & nice dinners so I feel the need to look my best. I guess your not that type of sugar daddy, so you wouldn’t understand. Anyways Admirer – It takes a lot longer than an hour for me set up a date, not including the date itself. Showering/washing hair/ blow drying/ styling takes around 2 hours. Full make up takes around 45 minutes. Getting waxed/nails painted takes around an hour. Getting dressed takes around 20 minutes, plus travel time and time spent with away from my kid where I have to pay a baby sitter. That’s over 3 hours of my time and energy.

      • Fundude says:

        @Rachel

        No, you often DON’T get what you pay for on SA.

        There is no correlation between SB demands and the benefit they offer a SD.

      • Admirer says:

        Like I said, bring your pay stub. If it takes you 3 hours to prepare, fine. If it takes us 3 hours to go on a date and movie, fine. If it takes you 2 hours round trip, fine. That is 8 hours of your time. I will multiply your hourly wage rate by 8 and will compensate you. TAX FREE.

      • Rachel says:

        Cosmetologists don’t have paystubs, we get paid by the service. I keep a book of the services I do, at my station that I rent. I would be happy to bring you my service menu with all of the prices on it. Plus my gas and baby sitter bill. Are we setting up a date? And Fundude : I didn’t understand the dates you were interested in is going to Dunkin donuts . If I knew that I would have never asked for any money from you or even consider meeting anyone like you in the first place.

      • Fundude says:

        @Rachel

        I am mostly not interested in arrangements.

        I am able to date women in their 20s who don’t have children.

        Ergo, there is no value in me paying top dollar for an “arrangement” with those types of women

      • Rachel says:

        Obviously that is a lie. If you date women in their 20s for free, then you don’t need to be on this site do you? Besides the point- I’ve validated the reasons I charge to go to nice dinners. Seeing as real sugar daddies on this site don’t waste time at dunkin donuts and mcdonalds for coffee. SO FOR ALL THE REAL SUGAR DADDIES OUT THERE THIS IS WHY US NICE YOUNG LADIES MAY ASK FOR A CASH GIFT IN EXCHANGE FOR OUR TIME, ATTENTION, AND EFFORT.

      • Admirer says:

        Rachel I just checked your profile. You are definitely my type and would choose an SB like you. You are young, thin, cute. Having a son would not be a negative IMO. I would give you reasonable compensation for your time during the get to know you phase but the formal allowance will not start before intimacy.

      • Rachel says:

        Thank you Admirer. I think we are seeing eye to eye now. I completely agree that if you tell a sugar baby you will give her 4,000 a month for an arrangement that it should be after the psychical part starts. It would not be fair to ask for full monthly allowance on the first date or on any other casual date. So in that sense I agree with you, just as you agree that first dates should be fairly compensated.

      • Anonymous says:

        Don’t take advice from this guy, he has no idea how arrangements work since he’s not a SD, but I am not sure yet why he is sticking up for then though, it must be ‘brah love’.

      • William says:

        That is not how it works for SD’s. Think of all our prep time too! Showers, manicures, waxing, shoe shines, dry cleaning, mouth wash, cologne.
        OK basically you have no idea about sales do you? It goes for both sides, but I have never heard of a company charging $ to meet them.

      • ks says:

        Actually you get what you negotiate. Its completely irrelevant what other job(s) you have. You might have one job as a wage slave, another as a small business owner in the service industry. The expected returns for time spent doing different things can be radically different.

    • noname says:

      a SD will still pay for the meal ‘movie or what ever else you decide to do for a date and a gentleman will also give baby sitter and or cab money but if theyre is no intimacy its platonic and sugar daddies won’t pay until the intimacy starts don’t forget you will likely receive gifts during this period its just like normal dating its not like your getting nothing out of this

      • Rachel says:

        Noname : it would be normal dating if you were a hot guy my age I had interest in.

      • noname says:

        rachel you control who you want to go out with if you don’t like the guy don’t go out with him no harm in that no one says you have to date anyone here but if you want a allowance you won’t get it until the intimacy starts thats not my opinion thats the concenus on this site read the blog you will see

      • Fundude says:

        Most “hot men” your age aren’t interested in single moms for any kind of long term relationship.

      • Fundude says:

        You clearly couldn’t keep the “hot man” that impregnated you whereby you are now a single mom of a 2 month old who is on a sugar website demanding top dollar.

        Ergo, your analysis isn’t realistic.

      • Rachel says:

        Fundude: My son is over a year old now, I haven’t updated my profile in a while. But you should know just because my relationship failed doesn’t mean “i couldn’t keep him”. I had to separate from him for me and my child’s safety. Thanks for your concern.

      • Fundude says:

        @Rachel

        Im not speaking out of concern.

        I showing that you can’t just get a successful “hot” man around your age for anything but a pump and dump.

        Ergo, your analysis is flawed.

      • Anonymous says:

        For her “safety” lol so typical. It’s always the same ridiculous garbage

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Rachel

        @FunDude is correct. You have already made the mistake in thinking that you are attractive enough to keep a young man committed to you. You now think that you are attractive enough to have an older man pay for your time.

        You need to break this entitled attitude before you cause more harm to yourself.

      • FatB'StardSA says:

        @Rachel

        Your profile reads more like a dating profile…

        Based on your allowance requirements I can see you are too delusional to help.

      • Anonymous says:

        I showing that you can’t just get a successful “hot” man around your age for anything but a pump and dump.

        Ergo, your analysis is flawed.

        What you showed is that these hot young men are just losers, dumb and unsuccessful, and ALL guys around that age are like that.

        Ergo, your analysis is flawed, because they are immature bitches.

      • elaine says:

        “What you showed is that these hot young men are just losers, dumb and unsuccessful, and ALL guys around that age are like that.”

        Sure…
        Wonder what reactions would follow when a female blogger would have said:

        “What you showed is that these hot young women are just losers, dumb and unsuccessful, and ALL girls around that age are like that.”

        “Jealous old hag” would have been the kindest reaction in that case. 😉

        Oh, the double standards that are so representative for this blog…

      • Anonymous says:

        Sooooo funny they all think EVERY young and hot guy is a loser? Bwhahahaha, as if no hot young guys have anything going for them, or are in grad school, college ect. There are no men in their 20’s who get married and are good men with good intentions. They are so jealous of the young guys. Pathetic!

    • rcheli says:

      Thinkin like a hooker. nice.

    • IHF2030 says:

      Rachel…You might be able to get your desired allowance if you can find a really well off 60-70 something married guy. And older guys tend to tire more quickly and easily so that’s a bonus, too.

      • Anonymous says:

        Why not a 90 year old? Maybe he can take that high allowance and multiply it by three since he is three decades older than your suggested age. Are you delusional my friend? A 70 year old would have to pay higher than high to get a 20 year old girl, which makes her 50 years his junior.

      • Anonymous says:

        Preconceived notions at both ends of the age spectrum my friends .

        I am in my 60s and more fit than most of you-and better looking I’m sure . My SBs are early 20s and get Practical allowances. Young men in their 20s can be very responsible and fabulous Husband/Boyfriends as well . But there are a lot of losers out there -no doubt about it .

    • Anonymous says:

      @ Rachel. I think you have got this 100% wrong. I am currently unemployed and my son is almost 3 and I am 26. I understand the babysitting part if you are flat broke. I am going on a date soon and he offered to help me pay for a babysitter which is generous. But your routine is kind of ridiculous. And to demand a man to pay you to get ready is absurd. I can shower, dry my hair and do my make up in 1 hour and I look beautiful. A make up routine that takes 45 is like kim kartrashian. Men are not looking at your perfectly shaped drawn on eyebrows, facial couture and fake eyelashes. Be simple but beautiful. A man is much more likely to be generous to a woman who is reasonable. Not demanding money for outrageous things to meet.

      • Rachel says:

        That is your personal experience, and opinion. I might think you looked rushed and trashy, while you consider yourself “beautiful”. So don’t let that go to your head. If you look at my pictures I don’t over-do my make up or my hair, & look nothing like a Kardashian . I see you have yourself on anonymous so I can’t tell you my opinion of what you look like. Your probably just another sour, pathetic “SD” mad about having to pay to get to know younger women before they sleep with you. On another note the only offers I have received on here are to go to expensive dinners and country clubs, which I have to dress up for. As a licensed cosmetologist I really don’t have it in me to do change my make-up/skin/hair routine to do it half ass. I have already stated if I were to agree to meet anywhere besides a nice dinner/country club, I probably wouldn’t expect as much money.

      • Test says:

        @Rachel – I think you make a fair point. So what would be a fair amount for the potential SD to provide for your first meeting? Also, would you tell him what you expect or make him guess?

      • Rachel says:

        For my time I would never ask for more than or take less than 200$ to meet me for dinner. From my personal experience, my sugar daddy has been upfront about what they offer for each type of meeting, if they don’t I do bring it up and discuss it before meeting with anyone so there is no confusion . I have been paid more though (between $300-$500 for dinner dates). I have been very blessed and fortunate to have such a good experience with this site.

    • William says:

      @ Rachel
      Serious businesses treat start up costs as a sunk cost.
      I don’t think the new corner store wants me to pay their monthly rent in order to buy a chocolate bar.

      • ks says:

        Different business, different business model. If they could stick you with the sunk cost to buy a chocolate bar they would. She is worth whatever she can negotiate. If she gets nothing, she must change her strategy. If she gets what she wants by fulfilling a niche higher margin segment rather than the commodity end of the market, good for her.

  72. seekinterests says:

    . “Some people will hit it off right away and want to rip each other’s clothes off.” I do not think so lol In reading the comments for this blog, I have a better understanding of the ill intent of “sugar daddies” on this site. Further, if you do not offer an allowance, why are you here? Most of the incomes listed on this site are false. Use your heads, you make 500k allegedly and are only a millionare? hmm fishy. Intimacy is brought up by the sb, not you, sd.

    • Fundude says:

      Incorrect.

      The sugar daddy doesn’t have to pay an allowance at ANY point in their interaction unless they feel comfortable doing so.

      Most sugar daddies aren’t going to start paying an allowance until intimacy has commenced.

      Ergo, the sugar baby can determine when intimacy occurs while the sugar daddy determines when the allowance occurs.

  73. hollykardash says:

    “Sex should be an aspiration, not an expectation. The relationship should feel real and not forced, and intimacy should evolve naturally.”
    couldn’t have been said any better lol .

    • Josh says:

      I am glad you like the theory presented in the article. Things work much differently though.

      • HollyM23 says:

        I’m sure of it but sex right away is a definite no..

      • Josh says:

        There’s nothing wrong with that approach as long as you are not expecting anything from the man during the “getting to know” period.

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s 2015, almost 2016 and just like sex is expected in all romantic relationships (unless you’re religious or underage), it’s expected in sugar relationships.

      • HollyM23 says:

        thats understood but sex right away is no, this isn’t a escort service or a hooker website.

      • Fundude says:

        Yes, just as allowance shouldn’t be expected right away.

        Most of the SDs only believe in allowances after intimacy/chemistry has been established in the “getting to know you” phase.

      • seekinterests says:

        You are on the wrong site.

      • Anonymous says:

        Holly, only way I can agree with you is if you mean first meetup. Afterwards, you should be fully willing to give it up. This is a Mutual Arrangement site, not a dating site.

      • noname says:

        holly yes its not a escort service so you don’t have to provide intimacy until your ready for it but a SD won’t pay a allowance until he starts receiving his benefits you might get lucky and find someone that will pay without sex but from what ive read on this blog there is no one that will do that

      • Anonymous says:

        It can be expected but not required for the sugar relationship to move forward.

    • rcheli says:

      horseshit. lol This aint Eharmony or Christian Mingle. lol

    • Frank95 says:

      Financial support should be an aspiration, not an expectation. The relationship should feel real and not forced, and financial support should evolve naturally. In the situation described.

      Both sides should be comfortable, and all parts of the relationship should proceed so that it’s mutually beneficial….otherwise it’s just exploitative.

  74. Fundude says:

    @To All concerning IHF

    I read his “race” comments. He doesn’t seem racist but proud to be Greek.

    Don’t get why everyone is calling him “racist”. I haven’t heard him supporting Hitler or killing off non Whites, etc.

    The most “racist” thing he said was he doesn’t like Asian women?

    Let me know where this is coming from people.

    • elaine says:

      @Fundouche

      So now you didn’t manage to create a race discussion on the latest blog thanks to @Jay, you sneak in and try your luck here?

      You are a pathetic attention seeker.

      • Fundude says:

        TVC just brought up the posters being “racist” and ‘sexist.

        Ergo, I didn’t have to say anything for it to become a topic again.

  75. Fundude says:

    @Elaine on Zan

    Very reasonable post.

    @Zan

    You’re not White.

    You’re not hot enough to be “eye candy”. Most men don’t like the Kim Kardashian trashy look on here. That appeals to low class women who buy her stupid products.

    There are no platonic relationships

    Good luck on here.

    • Zaniaah says:

      I am white. Changing hair colour can work wonders, especially when I’m naturally blonde.

      And aww you are too sweet to compare me to Kim Kardashian. You’re such a doll 😉 Have a happy new year dearest.

      • Anonymous says:

        Maybe you’re partially White but you’re not both parents White. Just put Mixed or whatever the other race is that you are. It’s a real pain in the ass to have to weed out girls like you when we’re doing a search for actual White girls.

        Be proud of what you are!

      • IHF2030 says:

        You claim to be part Romanian so perhaps you have some gypsy ancestry.

      • Admirer says:

        Comparing you to Kim K was an insult, not a compliment. A woman with a fat ass who got famous for sucking a brother’s dick on the internet is not exactly a role model.

  76. Alise222 says:

    Hahaha “the sex” reminds me of that one “Supernatural” episode where a teenage virgin gets put into Sam’s body. I’m rolling right now. The comments on this site crack me up more than the blog.

  77. aesthete2061 says:

    “It’s bad form to ask in messages if she will have sex with you, and even more degrading (and not to mention illegal) to offer her a set amount for sex.”

    I beg to differ. In many jurisdictions served by SA escorting is not illegal. It is as lawful as going to Church, Temple, Synagogue or Mosque in Australia, New Zealand and indeed Nevada. However, there are many US states where payment for sex is illegal and buying a semi-automatic firearm without psychiatric checks is legal. What can one say? There are some strange legislative priorities in them there United States…

    Sooner or later the question of “spoiling” (a euphemism for payment in kind) or “allowance” (a euphemism for payment in cash) comes up. At this point the question as to what the SB is willing to do for this “spoiling” and “allowance” comes up.

    One might as well broach the topic sooner rather than later…

    Saves time. And time is the stuff of which life is made…

    • Anonymous says:

      Perhaps they should mandate psychiatric checks before two consenting adults are allowed to have sex with each other. After all, far more innocent third party suffer from being born to psychotic parents than victims of gun violence that (minus successful self-defence using guns).

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re some special kind of stupid. Paying for sex is illegal ALL OVER THE US except NEVADA.

      • aesthete2061 says:

        1) You are confusing ignorant with stupid, retard.

        2) Who cares how backward the US is regarding sex and paying for it? My point is simply that there are other countries where paying for sex is not illegal.

        3) American gun laws are either stupid or crazy but probably both…

  78. Zaniaah says:

    Super new to this site and found this post very helpful!

    • elaine says:

      @Zaniaah

      Sorry to break the news for you, but in this form it ain’t gonna happen.

      SDs are looking for honest girls that are not lying about their race.
      SDs are not seeking for a trout, so ditch the pout.
      SDs are not looking for girls to show off or to get her “respect and devotion”.
      SDs want intimacy to be part of the deal.

      So forget about what you have read on IG, and reconsider your entrance in the sugarworld.

      • SDaddy says:

        Good answer @Elaine. No sex -no deal @Zaniahh. maybe you could find a paraplegic who can’t have sex and wants a Kartrashian look-alike

      • Zaniaah says:

        Okay first of all, lying about my race? I was not aware that you some how know my race better than I do. I was born in Hamilton lol. Maybe instead of watching comments on a blog post and waiting to pounce on any person with bursts of negativity you should find something better to do with your time. It’s quite sad actually. Best of luck to you love, hope you have a happy holidays.

      • elaine says:

        @Zaniaah

        I was not talking about where you are born and it was no insult either as you are a attractive girl, whatever mix you might be.
        But if YOU look Caucasian, I look Chinese….

        If you link your profile to a sugar blog, people will click on it an visit your profile. Especially when you mention how helpfull you find a post talking about intimacy while you are searching for a platonic relationship.

        There IS NO SUCH THING as platonic relationships here!

        The information that you will get allowances from wealthy businessmen for nothing more as your presence and to be shown off as eye candy, ARE PURE LIES!
        If a successful man wants company, he just asks his friends or colleagues out with him.

        I am genuinely curious to know where all the new “platonic” girls get their ideas from.
        Sorry, but you all are willingly mislead by whomever came up with this….

      • Zaniaah says:

        You said in your initial comment I am lying about my race. I don’t believe the profile is asking what I look like, because if I filled it out according to what I think I look like then yes, I would be lying. I do have German and Romanian in me but there is no option for that and with generations of family being born in Canada, I believe caucasian better describes my ethnicity. Not to mention I am naturally blonde, so I already know the black hair throws a lot of people off. Anyways, I wouldn’t lie about where I am from on a site where I am trying to find that trust and honesty in someone else as well.

        And honestly, I understand where you are coming from about the physical aspects of this website. I am extremely new to this and still learning. I am not familiar with the types of men on here, although I have seen some who are not looking for physical aspects but as I am new to this, I don’t doubt you are right that it could be a lie. I just was not expecting such negative comments when all I was saying was that I enjoyed this post. But I do thank you for your feedback because it was actually very helpful. Take care.

      • Anonymous says:

        Have you ever researched what Zaniaah means in Arabic, or did you know and intentionally used it here?

        [http://quranicnames.com/is-zaniah-an-islamic-name-what-is-the-meaning/]

      • Anonymous says:

        I see girls like this all the time on here listing as Caucasian when they are clearly not. I also see girls changing races constantly lol.

        Race shuffle hahaha

      • Fundude says:

        @Elaine

        Very reasonable post.

        @Zan

        You’re not White.

        You’re not hot enough to be “eye candy”

        There are no platonic relationships

        Good luck on here.

      • Anonymous says:

        Elaine yes there are platonic relationships here. Not everybody wants a ho like you. HO HO HO!

      • Anonymous says:

        The hate from people on here blows my mind! I am white people. Why would I lie about my race? When it comes to the name Zaniah its actually a name of a star. I had no clue what to put my name as on here so there you go. I don’t even know why I am justifying myself to you people who want to attack behind a computer screen and think you know my race better than I do. Its actually hilarious lol. Hope you guys find something better to do over the new year! xoxo

      • elaine says:

        @Anonymous

        Sure, this place is full of platonic arrangements, even on Tumblr and Instagram they will tell you !

        It is very normal for busy and successfull businessmen to pay young girls high allowances for a platonic friendship, as because they don’t have friends IRL.

        And “HoHoHo” is probably because you still believe in Santa, who lives with Rudolph on the Nord pole, right? :-)

    • Josh says:

      “I am searching for an SD that understands he can show me off, but not touch.”

      WOW!!! You will realize soon that you are not presenting yourself in front of 20-something men to be so haughty. SDs couldn’t care less about such attitude. There are a lot more women compared to men on this site.

  79. Passion Man says:

    Almost 6yrs now & I have enjoyed the best of the best in several countries from using SA. The ladies have also, very much enjoyed the time spent with me. I have all the right answers for men & woman to hit the jack pot for something real on this site. And my success comes from years before using this- from experience and my upbringing along with being Italian**- that say’s it all. All you guys & girls out there that want the best teacher for your success should send Brandon a message to get on board with my ideas- He will know who I am.

  80. Anonymous says:

    It’s funny all these different ways of glorifying or justifying prostitution, sugar babies are prostitutes end of

    • Anonymous says:

      All women are prostitutes anyway unless they’re sexually abstinant. It’s not a big deal

    • Frank95 says:

      That’s pretty silly. Can you not see the difference between someone meeting multiple anonymous sex only partners by the hour, and someone meeting one other person who they know for dinners etc etc for sex and money? If you can’t, then to be consistent, you would have to allow that traditional marriage where one partner provides the money, would also be prostitution.

      Some people actually do hold that marriage is a form of prostitution. I say, nuts.

      Sort of like saying that a tiger is the same as a domestic moggy because they are both cats. Superficial at best, and dangerous at worst.

      • Anonymous says:

        Haven’t you read the juggle multiple sd’s and sb’s articles? So there is no ‘one’ other partner here.
        Anyways, prostitution is money for sex, and this is sadly, just that.

  81. rcheli says:

    As much as the site wants to downplay the sex for money aspect on this site, it really is what makes the site feasible. Maybe 1 guy in 100 is gonna be ok with no sex (and a few probably have no balls…), and 1 in 100 girls is gonna be ok with no money at some point. They aren’t prostitutes or escorts, they work by the hour. Sugarbabies are compensated for the “date” or whatever… Quite frankly it is all bull shit really. Guys have money, girls are broke, guys like oral sex and have money, girls give oral sex and like money. LOL whatever.

    • noname says:

      actually women have lots of money but they are not as generous giving it away as the guys that why you see don’t see sugar mommies on the site im sure lots of males would make themselves available if the women would show them a good time and help them out with expenses

    • Anonymous says:

      lol prostitution isn’t defined by the hour, these whore prostitute themselves out and are prostitutes, whether they charge by day, encounter or hour is irrelevant, its a sad business for sad people, yeah I think it should be legal but that doesn’t change the fact that its a dirty exploitative business

  82. Cate says:

    Amen! This blog is on-point. Most of us are not adverse to the ideas of intimacy with a SD. In fact, most of us are already aware that this is on your mind before you start dropping subtle hints and innuendo. Failing to take gentleman’s approach makes it rather difficult for most women to categorize you as someone she wants to think of this way.

  83. at some point you get so pissed off at the b$llshit and drama that you don’t care about sleeping with that supposedly hot girl

  84. Swedish Grill says:

    Interesting read! Merry Christmas everyone. :)

  85. Josh says:

    @DamnVixen

    “Since we are women, and they have penises, we have the advantage that they really cannot think straight when they have an erection.”

    Good one. 😉

    • FunDude says:

      Except older men don’t have the same level of testosterone/libido.

      Ergo, they are LESS likely to think with their dicks when it comes to financial arrangements.

      Dudes in their 50s and 60s have lower test levels and are able to think with their biggest head far more than guys in their 20s and 30s.

      • Cate says:

        While this may be true, older gentleman have more to offer as they tend to have more of a sense of themselves and a realistic approach to a mutually beneficial
        arrangement. Older gentleman are more practiced in the art of wooing a lady, and this just means they have more tact when approaching their needs as well.

      • elaine says:

        Good point @Cate!

      • seekinterests says:

        Yeah, don’t think so. Men maintain the same maturity level throughout life. haha

    • Anonymous says:

      Good point @FunDude.

  86. Anonymous says:

    Merry Christmas, you fucking losers!

  87. Mike LaTorres says:

    This article was too vague to be useful, except for how to NOT break the law.
    One way that works for myself and a couple of friends that followed my lead in this is to talk about how intimacy and support is eased into equally. If the girl wants to be intimate, you keep your end of the bargain. If she wants to see the money, remind her that comes concurrent with the physical. One friend of mine was practically raped after that. Good for them both!

    • Tina says:

      Hi Mike-Happy Holidays to you..So I have a question (I am fairly new here so I am asking for a male point of view—NOT A DRAMA QUEEN TO STIR THE POT!!!)
      Ok so you say that the male will hold up his end of the bargain once the intimacy starts…is your definition of intimacy sex? To me it is so much more..And what about the arrangements as stated that there will be no sex? ( So not the case with me once I get to know the gentleman..) Just curious is all on your thoughts about that

      • Not Mike says:

        thought I’d give you my view as you seem interested in a SD’s thoughts.
        For the purpose of clear communication on this site or with those you meet here intimacy means sex. Yes I get what you think of it but that is not what most SD’s think. They are talking about physical intimacy – you are talking about emotional Intimacy.
        I personally do not believe there are any SD’s on here looking for an platonic arrangement. If there is, and they don’t pay up, then all that is wasted is time – not too big an issue.

        Without a doubt some SB’s will be ripped off by guys who don’t live up to what they agreed to. However the same goes for SB’s who also rip SD’s off. You are going to have to take your time and vet your POTs, then use your best judgement. You may be wrong at times but then again all of us get it wrong at times. Just try not to get into a dangerous situation, and follow your gut.

  88. Courtneyxxx says:

    This is more difficult than I thought – or i’m doing something wrong! Hats off to current successful SB’s!!

    • noname says:

      your a attractive lady cortneyxxx you have a nice profile im in a arrangement now that is going very well so good luck to you and happy sugaring

    • Anonymous says:

      It seems that you went too far with your age adjustment. 20 years are way too many to shave.

    • Anonymous says:

      Men that have even a pot to piss on are few and far in between on this site now. It’s like finding a needle in a haystack. Have patience and hang in there!

      • DamnVixen says:

        THIS is the absolute truth! It is VERY rare to find men on this site who even CLAIM to have an income or net worth on this site, making them capable of even a very low allowance for a SB. Among those who CLAIM to have money, most are lying and playing games just to see what this is all about and what they can get away with.

      • FunDude says:

        @Damn

        Its also pretty rare to find a woman that could be classified as a true “sugar baby” that often around here as well.

        I mean all we get are 30+ year old average looking woman demanding high allowances lol

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes, the trouble is on both sides of the interaction. The sugar bowl is polluted.

      • FunDude says:

        @anonymous

        I agree, there are problems on both sides.

        I have given my metrics already about the metrics for determining the value of a 1-3K/month allowance requiring the male to be in the top 1-3% of men in income.

        10k/month requires the male to be in the top .5-.1% of men.

        Ergo, it is quite unlikely men would go for older, unattractive women for that type of money, even if they are being “nice” or some other nonsense.

        The allowance is to facilitate older guys with money the ability to have sex with/go out with women who are significantly younger/hotter than they could just attain naturally on a easy basis.

    • DamnVixen says:

      This lifestyle ISN’T easy, or EVERY woman would be doing it.

      You can think of it either as a “game” or as a “business transaction” … but unless you want to be scammed or conned (putting out, but getting nothing in return), you have to figure out a strategy of making yourself the most desirable and marketable (for the kind of man that you want) and you have to know how to present yourself and negotiate to get what you want.

      SDs are usually shrewd businessmen, and are going to try to get what they can for free OR dicker you down to the least they can get away with. That doesn’t mean that every woman on this site is capable of getting a substantial allowance, lavish vacations, and shopping sprees. That’s maybe reserved for the top 0.001%. If that.

      Since we are women, and they have penises, we have the advantage that they really cannot think straight when they have an erection.

    • elaine says:

      @Courtney

      Yes dear, you are doing something wrong.
      Some experienced and successful SBs tried to tell you what it is.
      You don’t want to listen.

      So, succes!

      • Cat says:

        I don’t want to hijack this string of thought but may I ask what you think of my profile, (if you’re one of the experienced ones you mention)? I get a lot of interest but I think many of them are probably just messing around and are really sexually forward.

      • Cat says:

        I need to remember to log in before I post!

      • DamnVixen says:

        @Cat
        It appears to me to be a good enough profile.
        The question is, are you getting responses from the kind of men that you are looking for?
        If not, I’d suggest reading their profiles to look for what they want … or even just email a few and talk to them and tailor your profile accordingly.

      • noname says:

        cat your pictures are good i see a attractive lady but profile is not that good you say what you don’t want but you don’t explaain why a SD should be interested in you what are you offering to make him want to pay a allowance also your profile says your mixed some sugar daddies will not see your profile so you will need to contact the ones that are of interest to you good luck in your search

      • elaine says:

        @Cat

        I see nothing wrong in your profile or pictures (although I would ditch the 2 dark and unsharp pics, they distract and don’t flatter)
        I would change your profile pic, you have better ones.

        It is normal to have to weed through a lot of tire kickers, but be patient and I am quite sure you will find what you are looking for.

        Succes!

    • Anonymous says:

      Courtney…..you wonder what’s wrong? You post that your 22 w a graduate degree? And your standing by a young girl who looks like perhaps a daughter ( who looks like she’s in her later teens) so did you have her when you were 3? Liars make the worst SB’s, and I cannot know for certain if that is the situation, but you don’t look 22 either.

  89. Anonymous says:

    So I have been on this site a month and have gotten zero mesages. Can someone look at my profile and Tell me where I went wrong?

  90. Anonymous says:

    This is from a recent comment on a different SA blog page.

    Here is example of the shit women like to believe. That’s why PUA works so well on women.

    Ladi says:
    December 21, 2015 at 1:33 am
    @Notjust…Yeah it’s possible. I heard a similar story whereby the SB got a huge allowance in exchange for few tramples a month.. No sex. All she had to do what trample on the SD. @laura..If you are lucky you might find such an arrangement.

    • Promise says:

      Oh my. That’s interesting. Not for me, but it’s interesting.

      • Anonymous says:

        Trampling sounds painful. I have images of stillettos and boots pounding all over a naked body until it bleeds. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

      • elaine says:

        “@Alma

        We all know the stories of SBs TELLING they don’t have sex with their SD.

        Yes, and Santa Claus exist, lives at the Northpole with his 18yo SB and flies through the air with his sleigh and red nosed reindeer named Rudolph!

        So sad….being so embarrased about your SD that you are trying to convince other people you’re not having sex with such disgusting, old, gross person…

        So hypocritical… Even if he only wants to be trampled, that is not because it sexually arouses him?

        So childish… dishing out these stories to your GFs, just to make yourself look so much more desirable as them. As you get paid only for your fabulous presence whereas they have to provide sex to get an allowance.

        C’mon, it is so transparent, I can’t believe women are still buying this!”

    • Anonymous says:

      [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trample]

    • Anonymous says:

      PUA is for spoilt boys or beta nerds who cannot get emotionally mature or secure women so they try and prey on the insecure women who fall for that gibberish.

    • Anonymous says:

      PUA works on all kinds of women…it just depends on the expertise/confidence of the practitioner.

      • Anonymous says:

        and depends on the insecurity and age of the woman. Plenty of insecure women in the world. Women who know better do not accept that. That is why I said it does work on the emotionally immature and insecure. Probably your favourite types!

      • Anonymous says:

        You would not be able to distinguish an expert PUA from a natural charmer. It depends on practice.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am sure you are an expert being on an arrangement site yourself. PUA’s pay allowances to get women. Of course. That is part of their skill set to pay for a woman’s company. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        Every fucking woman is “insecure” about one thing or the other. If there isn’t any logical reason to be insecure about, she will cook up some make-belief reason.

        I am NOT a PUA, per se. I don’t have time to chase women and play courting games. SA does a great job of bringing needy as well as greedy women in droves. I don’t mind spending whatever amount of money it takes to save time.

        By the way, I am sure that one of your next comments will have “momma’s basement”, “you’re bitter”, “you have a small penis”, et.al.

      • Anonymous says:

        Nope. No desire to accuse you or call you any of those things. Why you wrote them I can only assume is something you might be insecure about though? thus, maybe your comment that every woman is insecure about something could apply to everyone- men included.

        If you are not PUA expert or even a practicing PUA novice then I feel even better about keeping my original opinion.

      • Anonymous says:

        Typical convolutied female “communication” pattern…the goal of which is to assure herself that she’s “right” regardless of what is said.

      • TVC15 says:

        Not like men, who quickly and easily admit when they are wrong.

      • Anonymous says:

        @PUA wannabe anonymous.

      • Anonymous says:

        You certainly did not make your point very well. except I did get you to admit you were no PUA and paid for women’s company instead on an online site.

      • Anonymous says:

        Getting a man to admit to being wrong is like getting a man to stop and ask for directions. Doh!

      • Anonymous says:

        Men have two communication patterns.

        1. Fewest words between him and pussy.
        2. Fewest words uttered to keep the pussy available.

        This gives women illusion of righteousness.

      • Anonymous says:

        I have made my point long ago…PUA works on all kinds of women…the level of success depends on the man’s expertise with the game.

        If your idea of PUA is cheesy one-liners then that’s not my problem.

      • Anonymous says:

        Your point did not convince me that PUA works on women who are secure and emotionally mature. Especially, after you admitted to not even using PUA yourself. Your opinion that it works on all women is just that- your opinion.

      • Anonymous says:

        My idea of PUA is not all cheesy one liners. It is quite the opposite and can teach positive things like better grooming and increased self esteem which is good and positive. but PUA through manipulation of women’s insecurities is what I was mainy talking about.

        But your point and opinion did not convince me otherwise that it works on all women. It does not, as I stated, work on emotionally mature and secure women, which is a pretty well accepted opinion by those in the know.

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t know about anyone else, but I read this whole thing in a Kermit The Frog VS. Miss Piggy voice set.

      • Anonymous says:

        Should kermit sing the rainbow connection now?

      • Anonymous says:

        Lmfao you mean there are guys on an arrangement site trying out PUA? That was in the news ages ago for powerless dweebs who are insecure and never could bang the women they really wanted.

    • elaine says:

      @Anon

      This is what GIRLS want to believe.

      Maybe you could be so nice as to also copy and paste the answer that was given by a WOMAN on this?

    • DamnVixen says:

      I’ve seen a male profile on this site with a very elaborate AND very generous explanation of not wanting sex, but wanting a steady woman to come to him for a regular “massage” with a “happy ending.”

      You just never know what fetish a man might have, or what amount of money he might pay to have it satisfied regularly.

      • elaine says:

        Ahhhh, quite sure it was an US profile!
        As only Americans can come up with “Happy endings” not being sex.

        The hypocrisy….

      • noname says:

        elaine it does seem strange that a happy ending would not be considered sex but in some parts of the world a bj would not be considered sex also sexual norms vary a lot around the world

    • stephydoodle69 says:

      Please explain to me what “trampling” is!! That sounds like complete torture!!

  91. Anonymous says:

    @Foodie

    Get a decent education that has the potential to give you good life, and to keep your pussy out of circulation.

    If the “right” man comes along then take him on. Otherwise keep denying yourself the sexual pleasure.

    I don’t know who convinced you to stay virgin but whoever it was didn’t do a good job to convince you not to hang out on Tinder or SA.

    Not a whole lot of people care about your virginity. I am sure that some of the SDs may have a fetish for virgin, though.

  92. Anonymous says:

    @Brook asks…”But then… when does the sex happen?”

    I don’t know about “the sex” but “sex” usually happens when two people are fully or partially naked.

  93. Anonymous says:

    @elaine

    “@Foodie…

    If you are not successful on “normal” datingsites, and can’t find men to date you for free, why would they be willing to pay for dating you here?”

    Good observations here. Your brain works sometimes.

  94. Anonymous says:

    @elaine

    “He is a gentleman who can’t imagine other men being so rude for no reason.”

    This is tell-it-like-it-is forum. Michael is a fraudster. You are clueless as usual.

  95. Michael_ZZ says:

    Ladies – for respectable SD’s everywhere, I’d like to comment that IHF is a total a-hole, and apologize for his ignorance. Hopefully he’s been booted from the site already.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      We already know IHF is an a-hole. What I don’t get is why you feel the need to apologize for a complete stranger’s comments. ..unless you’re the one who recommended he check out the blog :-))

      • Anonymous says:

        Because he is a phony.

      • elaine says:

        Because he is a gentleman?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        How does that make him a gentleman? He could’ve easily just said “Ladies not all SDs are like IHF ….” but there was no need to issue an apology on his behalf. he’s not personally responsible for IHF.

      • elaine says:

        @ Jay

        No he is not, but don’t you ever feel a vicarious shame about what some other women post?
        Well, I think this is the reason for his apology.
        He is a gentleman who can’t imagine other men being so rude for no reason.

        He is new and doesn’t seem to know yet how rude people use to behave here.
        Otherwise he would know we could keep apologizing for others all the time. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        @Elaine

        I’d give 80% chance that Michael is a fraudster trolling for naive girls. His post linking to his profile was looking for eyeball time.

        I don’t want to get into the details and help the fraudsters refine their fraudulent profiles.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Elaine No I never feel the need to apologize for other peoples actions. If a woman says something I think is out of line or I disagree with I just say so but I don’t feel shame on their behalf nor the I feel a need to issue an apology. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

        And I agree if he comes back he’ll learn not to apologize for stupid things SDs say on this blog or all his post will be apologies :-))

      • Anonymous says:

        In my experience mangina’s like Michael tend to say stuff like because they think it will endear them to women and as soon as think their bullshit has worked they go on to treat that woman in a way that is far worse than the men they have just apologised for.

        Don’t fear the men who tell it like it is, fear the ones who betray their brothers for pussy.

      • Anonymous says:

        Goes to show how clueless even the self-proclaimed “experienced” SBs are. Women run on special favors. Empty talk about special favors is as good as the potential delivery. That’s why PUA works.

      • elaine says:

        When it is “clueless” to not want to see negativity everywhere, then yes, call me “clueless” or “naive”, and I am proud of it.

        I prefer to be disappointed in people’s intentions now and then over suspicion, prejudice, negativity and bitterness.

        If Michael posted this because he wanted to drag female attention to his profile, more power to him.

        And if it is sour grapes for the misogynists who against better judgment continue their stubborn attempts to attract flies with vinegar…. *shrugs shoulders*

      • Anonymous says:

        The “misogynists” do fairly well with women, thank you. Women like bad boys. LOL!

      • Anonymous says:

        Pointing out male scammers is not being misogynistic. Michael’s profile is written by a “30k Millionaire,” not someone having $50M net-worth, or even $5M net-worth, heck even 500k is doubtful for someone writing that gibberish.

      • noname says:

        where was he when we had dave on the blog he would have had a full time job apologizing for him then

      • Anonymous says:

        “to attract flies with vinegar”

        You have to be really poor to take up the hobby of attracting flies…

      • Anonymous says:

        It is a common saying used, Einstein.

      • Anonymous says:

        It was irony, Shakespeare

      • Anonymous says:

        Or maybe sarcastic irony?

      • Michael_ZZ says:

        You are correct Jay, I shouldn’t be apologizing for IHF, I should be thanking him, total a-holes like that make normal SD’s like myself look that much better. I am real, haven’t been on the site for a while as I’ve been in a very nice arrangement for the past year – she’s a great girl. I usually stay away from the blogs due to all the idiotic comments – it hasn’t changed. Goodbye bloggers…..

    • Anonymous says:

      @Michael is more than likely a fraud.

    • IHF2030 says:

      Well, well, here we have yet another ass-kissing, beta-male, white-knight with no self-respect trying to curry favor with the women on here, how quaint.

  96. Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous

    “Incidentally, this 50%-100% increase in her net income is also what a typical marriage entails when she marries someone earning a little more than she does and takes over 70-80% of the household spending, in financial terms. That is the primary incentive for women to promise a life-time of sex (aka “marriage”), which is usually what reels in the husband.”

    Men should be advised in front of city halls not to take out marriage licenses. They should also be advised in front of jewelry stores not to purchase engagement rings.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well, Marriage 1.0 did enforce a life time supply of sex (“abandonment” was ground for fault-divorce). When they changed the law two decades ago to remove the husband’s entitlement to sex in marriage (by codifying “marital rape” as a legally acceptable concept, i.e. wife can withdraw consent after taking marriage vow), they should have simultaneously removed what the wife is entitled to in divorce (i.e. husband should also be allowed with withdraw consent to share half).

    • Anonymous says:

      Why don’t you stand outside of city halls and jewelry stores and try that? Report back with your results.

    • Anonymous says:

      It “may” work with one person and “may” go viral, but going it alone is just too physically risky.

    • Kore says:

      “Men should be advised..”

      Well, men and women should be advised not to be around one another at all.. The likely outcome is going to be disaster, so why bother? 😛

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s all about the children. Otherwise, most women would die of starvation quickly, and most men would too die of starvation when they get old, then the end!

  97. Anonymous says:

    @Kore

    “I don’t think the majority of women joining SA know the going rate for prostitutes”

    You would be surprised…

    “and I don’t think they want to be treated that way.”

    Correct…they want to make more than the prostitutes.

  98. TheOutgoingFoodie says:

    College dating scene, okcupid, tinder, and match hasn’t worked so now I’m on here. The fact that I’m a POC and a virgin feels like I’ll never find the right SD.

    • Anonymous says:

      You need to try the sister site VirginArrangement.com

    • Anonymous says:

      Thanks for letting us know that you are a POC. We would have missed that otherwise.

    • elaine says:

      @Foodie

      I don’t get it.
      What do you think to find here that you couldn’t find on okcupid, tinder and match?

      Money?
      Well maybe you can better sell your virginity to the highest bidder?

      A platonic friendship?
      Well there is other sites for that too. Ain’t gonna happen here.

      An arrangement?
      Difficult, as WOC and especially virgins are not the most sought after on SA.

      If you are not successful on “normal” datingsites, and can’t find men to date you for free, why would they be willing to pay for dating you here?

  99. WiseBeyondMyYrs says:

    Lol!

    • Anonymous says:

      We don’t give a shit about how “wise” women are. Actually less “wise” the better…because “wise” = entitled dramatist.

      As long as your body is not beyond your years we are fine.

  100. Anonymous says:

    WhatsYourPrice is the best. this site should be regulated for the PUA’s that are bratty low esteemed guys

  101. Anonymous says:

    @Imask

    SA is not too lucrative for non-white women. Continue focusing on your business and blog. That way you will not waste too much time at SA.

  102. Anonymous says:

    @Utopia has “High” in her profile because SA is one of the avenues she is trying to get a higher rate.

    Asian “me love you long time” women like her can be had for much lower prices in the UK.

    • Kore says:

      I don’t think the majority of women joining SA know the going rate for prostitutes and I don’t think they want to be treated that way. I don’t blame them for not knowing how much to ask or for not wanting to jump into a man’s bed solely for an amount of peanuts.

    • IHF2030 says:

      Funny, I constantly see Asian women literally throw themselves at White guys and especially beta-males. But, then, most of the White guys I have seen with non-White females have been beta-males in the extreme.

      • Anonymous says:

        You’re a racist prick.

      • IHF2030 says:

        And you can pucker the fuck up and kiss my white, Celtic-Spartan backside, twice!

      • Anonymous says:

        LOL! Just as I suspected, IHF2030 is a self-hating “colored” person. FYI, southern Greeks (like Spartans) and Sicilians were genetically derived from sub-Saharan Africans (blacks) in relatively recent history (like a few thousand years ago, as opposed to 60,000 years ago when all modern human came out Africa).

      • Kore says:

        @IHF What’s it matter? Like attracts like and I don’t think there’re proportionately more or less alphas open or closed to interracial relationships as there are betas. Not that I know…

        Also, I have to say.. In the end, there are more men who ‘throw themselves’ at any pretty girl than there are Asian girls who do so with white men. 😉 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        Most Asian women are racist. The would not date Black men.

      • IHF2030 says:

        Wow, you are one dumb bitch! Greeks have less non-White admixture than most other Europeans. And the absurd out of Africa nonsense has been thoroughly debunked. I have had my dna tested and have pretty much ZERO non-White dna, just like all modern Greeks!
        {https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faikHm5cF88}

      • Anonymous says:

        LOL. Do you really think women selling their sex for the price of a sandwich and their ancestors could keep “blood” “pure”?

        That video is classic loser nonsense. Get over yourself, all women fucked/fuck conquerors with enthusiasm. Just like German women, Japanese, Italian women did after WWII, and French women, Dutch women during German occupation a few years earlier.

        That is human nature. Otherwise, we would not have evolved from apes if women kept fucking only losers and kept their reproductive device shut to the winners.

        {https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/young-greek-women-selling-sex-for-the-price-of-a-sandwich-new-study-shows/2015/11/27/c469695e-94d9-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html}

      • IHF2030 says:

        The video is not nonsense, it documents several university studies showing that Greeks are more racially White than other Europeans.

      • elaine says:

        @IHateFemales 2030

        I am sure uncle Adolf would have been proud on you and your snow white genes!

      • IHF2030 says:

        Elaine….Actually, my grandfather’s two older brothers were executed by the Germans, as they were high ranking members of the Greek resistance. But, yes, I am very proud of my Highland Scottish and Spartan Greek ancestry. And guess what; you are still a dumb cunt!

      • Anonymous says:

        @IHF,

        The video is nonsense because there is no such thing as “white gene.” If you use the genes from a target group as your control, then of course the same group would fit whatever you call that control is.

        As for your allegation of dating outside one’s own ethnic group makes one Beta, then both your parents were “Beta in the extreme” LOL!

        Whom do you think your executed grandpa and uncle’s wives and daughters fucked after they were executed? The German and Italian occupiers and/or collaborators.

      • IHF2030 says:

        Kore…It doesn’t really matter to me as I have never found Asian females attractive. But, all the relevant studies show that Asian women are the most likely to date interracially, and White women are the least likely to do so. And, from observation, the vast majority of White guys I have seen with Asian women have been geeky-nerdy-effeminate-liberal girlymen-hipster-beta-male types. And, similarly, I have very very rarely seen what I would consider to be attractive White women with non-White males. Of course, there are always exceptions but they are just that, exceptions.

      • IHF2030 says:

        Anonymous…You made the contention that Greeks possessed sub-Saharan/black ancestry and that is patently false!

      • Anonymous says:

        @IHF,

        The dating pattern you are describing is perhaps the norm in the trailer parks, where race-based solidarity is extremely important to collective self-defense. Perhaps that’s where you live, in the trailer parks or crime-ridden neighborhoods.

        Race and skin color is much less of an issue in the upper echelons of the society: Prince Diana was dating an Arab; Queen Elizabeth chose a dark and handsome Greek as her husband; Even Alexander the Great (perhaps the greatest Greek ever??) married an Bactrian (Asian) princess . . . are you calling him Beta??

      • Anonymous says:

        Southern Greeks and Italians are substantially derived from sub-Saharan genetic stock. Sparta is located on the Pelopennese Peninsula, the southern-most of continental Greece.

        What’s funny thing is that the earliest European “anti-black” ethnic sentiment was whipped up by Athenians in their “Anti-Dorian” propaganda in the 5th century BC. Sparta was the primary target of such propaganda.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Are you guys intentionally trying to make IHF have an apoplexy by suggesting he might not be hundred percent white? LMAO

      • elaine says:

        @IHateFemales2030

        Hmmm….so you’re Greek?

        Greece..Isn’t that the country that is on a constant EU money infuse because they are not able to keep themselves alive without?
        That crawls through the dust and is completely dependent of charity from other Europeans?
        Greece that has buried it’s pride and has to beg the other countries constantly for more money to survive?
        That has caused the Euro crisis and is dragging down with them the rest of Europe?
        …And of course is blaming the others for the corrupt misery they are living in?

        Greek….
        Yes, I would act like a racist and brag about my snow white Greek genes too! LOL

      • Kore says:

        @IHF Yeah, could be… But this is a very narrow observation since it takes only Asian girls into consideration.
        I’m sure you have seen plenty of what you might consider attractive white women dating the same hipsters the Asian girls date. I’ve even seen plenty of hot white men dating white women who were homely or even under their league. 😉

        There’s location, racial demographics and cultural beauty ideals to take into consideration. (I wonder if Asian girls consider the same people as alphas as we do?)

      • Kore says:

        In the end, I think plenty of attractive white women date beta males within white countries. Also that white alpha males could go for non white alpha females especially if they don’t live in a white country. You just don’t see them that often then.

      • Anonymous says:

        @IHF2030…aww is that why you are sad? Because your grandfather’s two older brothers were executed by the Germans? Hmm I wonder why. Maybe because they were pricks like you…Embrace your ancestry Dick!

      • Jaybird923 says:

        That’s a really fucked up thing to say to someone

      • elaine says:

        @Jay

        Agree, but he is saying the most fucked up things all the time himself.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        IHF makes a lot of ignorant comments all the time that no one really takes seriously but this isn’t equivalent… it’s just plain fucked up.

      • Anonymous says:

        There is some irony in this though: a bunch of German or Nordic (SS Wiking and SS Nordland divisions with mostly Scandinavian recruits were in the area) white supremacist executed his grand uncles as “untermensch” (skin not white enough, hair not blond enough, eyeballs not blue enough); now he is here spouting racist nonsense.

  103. Anonymous says:

    @Kore

    @elaine 8000 is good for about 4 escort meets?”

    What world are you living in?

    • Kore says:

      This part of the world is called, “Europe.”

      • Anonymous says:

        You two have a contextual misunderstanding. The 8000 number came from the “other extreme” example mentioned by Utopia that offered 2000 per meet.

        The going rate for escorts in Europe is only about 100-200 euro in western Europe where it is legal, must less in Eastern Europe. The going rate for escorts in North America, where legal like in Montreal, is only about $250 Canadian, which is a little less than US$.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Utopia got offer for 200 (pounds/dollar/euro/whatever) NOT 2000.

        200 is a good number for @Utopia.

      • Anonymous says:

        Here is what she wrote:

        “one man was trying to offer 200 for sex, I told him he could go for any esocort agency pick any girl of his choice for One hour ONLY.

        another went another extremely way tried offer 2000 overnight, but must be unprotected. “

      • Anonymous says:

        The going rate for escorts in Europe is only about 100-200 euro in western Europe where it is legal, must less in Eastern Europe. The going rate for escorts in North America, where legal like in Montreal, is only about $250 Canadian, which is a little less than US$.”

        Escorts, genius. So that is 200 per hour. If u are going to compare going rates then at least do it right. They guy was offering 200 per meet. If you want even the cheapest escort for a stay longer than ONE hour, then multiply their rate per hour. At 200 per hour you are already up to 1000 after 5 hours. And that is why pretend SD love this site. They save much money and are the fakes sending offensive low offer messages to a girl in a first message or two.

      • Anonymous says:

        $250/hr in Montreal is for a very hot girl (9/10), typically university student. The average looking ones start at $120/hr. Many of the first group are probably on the site anyway. You can search them yourself what their expectations are and what their real contentment numbers are.

        They don’t expect $250/hr waiting tables at a restaurant or being a tourist guide. In fact $1000/wk would be sufficient to hire one as an office assistant (being generous here); that’s roughly $25/hr for when not utilizing their magical devices. That’s for a model looking girl. The average looking ones probably have average entry levels jobs at $10-15/hr.

      • Anonymous says:

        What is your point exactly? The other person said escort rates per hour, not tour guides,k waitressing or office workers. Were u trying to say hot girls get paid more in an office job than average looking girls for the same job? maybe if the office pimp hires them or is in charge of hiring them but an average legit HR department run by women- not likely. Or was your point that you can hire an escort in Montreal for 120 to 250 an hour? So what?? That is nothing to brag about.

      • Anonymous says:

        The point is that the “per hour” rate of an escort is really per-meet rate, not her actual hourly rate for doing things other than sex. You can take an escort to lunch or dinner afterwards for free, and she’d appreciated if she is not a “hardened whore” booking consecutive appointments.

        Yes, Virginia, pretty young girls do get paid more for regular jobs, unless the HR lady is a jealous bitch, in which case she should be fired out of consideration for shareholder bottom line: customers more more satisfied and pay more when the reps are easier on the eye. That’s why TV channels do not hire uglies as presenters and prompter readers.

      • Anonymous says:

        Oh so u meant sales reps and entertainment industry jobs hire on looks. Well duh!! But u cannot say all companies and industries base their pay scale on looks. That is ridiculous. Looks might get you ann interview or even a job initially, but u gots to have skills too or it won’t last.

        I think you must be very attractive or charming if escorts do not charge you by the hour or stick around with you all day and night for 200. That or u are with some nasty escorts. LOL!!

      • Anonymous says:

        Haha, Thanks for the compliment. The underlying market bid by the entertainment industry as well as normal businesses for PR and “employee morale” reasons buying up the limited supply of pretty girls naturally drive up the price for pretty girls in the normal job market. They can also get away a lot of incompetence before being fired. That’s the primary reason why for a lot of guys marrying a pretty woman reaching the end of her prettiness can be a very costly mistake: she has never developed a good personality or job competence, because she never had to!

        I’m by no means advocating paying SB’s too little; however, it’s absurd to suggest SB’s should be paid the per-hourly rate of an escort for doing things that both enjoy outside the bed. IMHO, giving an SB 50% to 100% of her monthly take-home pay from her job is a reasonably offer, and can make a substantial difference in her life. Much beyond that, the SD runs the risk of turning her life upside down if/when he has to end the relationship.

      • Anonymous says:

        Incidentally, this 50%-100% increase in her net income is also what a typical marriage entails when she marries someone earning a little more than she does and takes over 70-80% of the household spending, in financial terms. That is the primary incentive for women to promise a life-time of sex (aka “marriage”), which is usually what reels in the husband.

      • Anonymous says:

        You live in a very shallow state of mind. That must be very insufferable to be around. You would be a double or triple rate the rate client if I were an escort and were desperate for new client.

        If u marry someone solely on appearance and not on personality or character, then complain that their personality is bad years later on then u deserve said bad personality woman.

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t make that mistake myself. A lot of men do though, as men are biologically programmed for home in on physical fitness in women.

        As for being insufferable, that’s just my way of weeding out unsuitable partners before I spend too much time or resources on them. Those who are patient and flexible with me, not jumping to conclusions and getting mad at me, are the more suitable partners in the long run. A reasonable approach, don’t you agree?

      • Anonymous says:

        I think it is good you are being yourself :)

      • Kore says:

        “The going rate for escorts in Europe is only about 100-200 euro in western Europe where it is legal”

        The internet tells me that it’s around 150-600.

        I chose 200/hr for the escort for 4 10hr meets/month because I figured that escorts aren’t just prostitutes on house calls. I think they get wined and dined, accompany for events, stay overnight, etc.

        I don’t think the comparison of prostitution and working some other job is the best… Doubt many will pay a previously high earning 4/10 more than a 7/10 with no education. 😉

        “The point is that the “per hour” rate of an escort is really per-meet rate, not her actual hourly rate for doing things other than sex.”

        Huh? I think this is wrong.

      • Anonymous says:

        I can ask for $10,000 for my half chewed bagel online; doesn’t mean I get a bid, or at least not sufficient bids to make bagels in my area worth $20,000 each.

        If the market clearing price for escorts in Europe (or any other part of the world) were 2000 per day meeting one client, there would be few women doing other jobs.

        2000 (dollars or euros) a day is extremely generous, even Utopia had enough common sense to recognize this. The only problem with the 2k offer she got was that the guy wanted bareback and didn’t seem to want recurring therefore is a STD risk.

        2k a day is 400k to 500k per year! What other line of work would be competitive for the 18 to 30 age group? Heck if that were real, more than half the men in the age group would borrow $50k to get transgender operations instead of college education.

      • Anonymous says:

        Having a dinner or lunch with a client is not prostitution. Even lawyers charging $300/hr do not count lunch with clients as billable hours. In fact, lawyers spend tons of unbillable hours in order to keep good clients. Why should personal service provider of a different kind be different? A lawyer and a prostitute can refuse to have lunch with a client, but charging the same hourly rate as her core competence hourly rate would just mean there would be no takers, unless it’s just an accounting trick to cover for the higher rate she actually charges for her core competence.

      • Kore says:

        “If the market clearing price for escorts in Europe (or any other part of the world) were 2000 per day meeting one client, there would be few women doing other jobs.”

        slmkfdhsqmkldfjs qmk fs

        Can you seriously not imagine even one reason as to why a woman might not choose to work as an escort?

        Ey, know what? If escorts are just out house prostitues… Then, hire a “200 per meet, not hour” escort and keep her with you for more than an hour without having sex. If your argument is correct, you won’t have to pay a cent since you didn’t consummate the “meet.”

        Report back and let us know your findings.

      • Anonymous says:

        I can think of plenty reasons why a woman might choose not to be an escort:

        1. The pay is not nearly as high as you imagine;
        2. The pay is not steady; hard to build up client base;
        3. The career is too short, and the practitioner typically do not have the investment skills to make the peak gains last.

        By comparison, hustling/whoring 60-80hrs/wk (not the usual 35 to 40) for Wall Street to earn $100k-200k has proven enormously attractive to both young women and young men, and that is not a long career either (economic cycles lasting only 8 years or so). If escorting could reliably make $400-500k per year for 12 years, most young women and young men would be jumping at it, taking out loans to have sex change when necessary. With them bidding up the prices on rent and condos thanks to those fabulous income, the rest would have to either join or move out! The escort industry would have become the leading industry of the city, just like Wall Street wages pushed out other renters in the many neighborhoods in NYC and $100k Google engineers are pushing out other renters in San Francisco. We are not seeing such massive take-over by escorts of the chic neighborhoods in European or North American cities, are we?

        “Brokers” used to have really shitty reputations, and so did “actresses.” They don’t any more, because they can make the bank, and enough scribes kissed up to them to make their professions reputable. We live in a world men get paid $80k/yr or so to go to war zones to kill people and be killed/maimed (that’s for private mercenary; regular military pays even less). If escorts could reliably make half a million a year, there would long have been a propaganda industry rehabilitating their reputations, perhaps turning them into some sort of “Vestal Virgins” or “Oracle Priestesses” and licensed profession. The reality is that, the money is simply not there, and therefore not enough motivation for the opinion makers to twist and remake people’s perceptions to support the industry.

        Because it is not likely to make the $2-5mil necessary to make a person actually “strong and independent” via an escort career, and her pair-bonding mechanism would be too broken to have a good quality male partner, that’s why escorting is a poor career choice. If the numbers were there, it would actually be a viable career just like Wall Street jobs.

  104. Jasai says:

    Just came here to peak at other women’s profiles. Keep it 100…am I the only one?

    • Anonymous says:

      You look like a street corner ho.

      • Anonymous says:

        you would know, surely your dad drove you around town for your up and coming teenage birthday present; here she is_____________

      • Anonymous says:

        I am glad that it is different one this time. SDs here are kinda tired of “you’re living in your momma’s basement”, “you have small penis”, “you’re bitter”, etc.

      • elaine says:

        @Anonymous

        So now it is time for the SDs to come with a different one and something more original as “ho”,”whore”,”feminazi”, etc.

        SBs here are kinda tired of that too. :-)

    • Utopia1437 says:

      Hey what do you mean keep it 100 ? I don’t understand.
      But I do think first day paying or not paying it’s up to the Man, but someone lady won’t come out to meet the man, because they will feel the man did not appreciated their affort.Think if all the respect and support she could get from a normal relationship, why would she come on a SA site,because Sugar Daddy are sounds like they will be more caring, more thoughtful and they will be well taking care of? isn’t it.
      I have been on this site quite long now, except made couple friends to chat up sometimes on whats app, I haven’t had a single arrangement so far.

      For the email just brought Sex is a absolutely put off.
      one man was trying to offer 200 for sex, I told him he could go for any esocort agency pick any girl of his choice for One hour ONLY.

      another went another extremely way tried offer 2000 overnight, but must be unprotected. he think he can buy my pride.lmao That Ain’t for sale.

      I still hang my profile here, I didn’t do search function long time now,just wait whoever likes my profile and send me a e-mail.

      BTW how you guys know the exactly date of mails received and sending ?
      Don’t tell me you count page by page ? if there is a easy way to see that, let me know Cheers

      at Last wish everyone have a Nice Warm Lovely Xmas ^_^

      • noname says:

        hi utopia im not sure i understand your post from what i can understand your receive offers of low money for sex well you are asking for high so you will not be getting many if any offers for that amount i suggest thinking of different amount for a allowance

      • noname says:

        utopia if someone is asking for sex on the first date he’s a john not a SD unless your asking for money then of course he will want something too there is no need for money or sex to be exchanged until both parties are comfortable with that the allowance should start when the intimacy starts good luck with your search

      • Kore13 says:

        @Utopia You’re right, SBs come at a bargain compared to the 200/hour escorts of Europe. More serious SDs here don’t want escorts, though, and so it could be that escort prices might turn them off.

        I’m glad that you didn’t go with these guys who gave you the wrong feeling. If you’re not sure about sex, tell them why and see what happens. SDs want things to go fast because they’re paying and they often have a hard time relating with women when it comes to sex.. Men and women just work differently.

        I know it seems like an attack on pride, but maybe they are just sucky at knowing how to speak with women? I don’t think they know that it’s not the best approach – if they knew that, maybe they’d do things differently..

        Merry Christmas. :)

      • elaine says:

        Uhmmm…@Kore, she is asking “high”, so I don’t think it is a “bargain” on escort prices in this case…

        And even though she has the pretty looks of a fine Chinese porcelain doll, I don’t think she will find an arrangement at this level.

        @Utopia

        For what my advice is worth; change your profile pic -you have others more beautiful- and lower your expectations, otherwise sugar for you will remain forever an “Utopia”.
        Think you could do very well in a BD/lg setting!

      • Kore says:

        @elaine 8000 is good for about 4 escort meets? A SB would be more preiswert since it doesn’t work per hour and she isn’t an actual escort. The girl’s physique doesn’t have much to do with it since there might be someone who perfers her looks over the standard bombshell. *shurg*

        Besides that, I was trying to say that a high allowance expectation can still come across as escortish.. Not the best time for expressing myself clearly right now. ^^

      • noname says:

        kore 8000 is not high but i get your point it would take just a few meets to equal that but the bigger question would anyone pay that amount from what im reading here the answer is no

      • elaine says:

        @Kore

        “And even though she has the pretty looks of a fine Chinese porcelain doll, I don’t think she will find an arrangement at this level.”

        I didn’t say there is anything wrong with her looks, I think she is very pretty.

        What I am actually saying is that I don’t believe ANY women on SA will get an “high” allowance right from the start, for an extended period of time. (With 1 SD that is)
        At least not the women I have seen here as listed “High”.

        Because the men that are willing to pay this aren’t the ones who are after a LT relationship.
        It is the ones who have earned their money in an easy way and are never satisfied with what they have. There is always a flashier car, a fancier house, a more luxurious yacht, a faster jet….
        And a more headturning bombshell right around the corner!

      • Anonymous says:

        @Utopia, you should be happy you are getting $200/meet offers. Take them before even they stop coming.

        If you don’t like it then try to get a job that would pay you $200 for a 2-3 hours of work. Then you will appreciate how much effort it takes to make real money in the real world.

      • sweetlark says:

        @utopia wanted to say that “keep it 100” is slang that = be honest.

        merry christmas to you! :)

      • Anonymous says:

        Very well said Elaine! Those who have no intention of paying or paying for long can promise very high numbers to a near-stranger. Those who negotiate honestly and plan to fulfill the promise for a long time do care about price and his long term liability.

        Of course, in matters of heart, after being intimate with each other for some time, due to the chemical effect of oxytocin, even a mature man can “fall” for his woman and “overpay” by going way beyond his initial promise because he is stimulated and encouraged by the supportive woman and appreciates her contribution to his life. Just not when the two are still near-strangers to each other, when the initial negotiations take place.

        Most women would be very happy with her take-home income doubled while enjoying a relationship with a man. The median individual income in the US is only $26k (or little over $2k/mo, less than $2k/mo after taxes). The man who finds the need to make the initial bid double, triple or quadruple that amount probably has peculiar needs, intends to commit fraud or “soft” pump-and-dump where the promised delivery ends after only a short time.

      • Anonymous says:

        @sweetlark

        Although you are not going to have much luck here st SA but thanks for mentioning in your profile that you are a TG.

      • Kore says:

        @Anon “you should be happy you are getting $200/meet offers.”

        Sure, there’s knowing what it means to earn money, but… WTF? Saying something like this is just plain rude.

        @Noname High starts at 8001€.

        @Elaine I completely agree with you and what I said didn’t have so much to do with Utopia’s looks as it did with the stereotype I have of these escorty armcandy type girls and the men you mentioned. Still, I think these women could get the high allowance, the length of time doesn’t really matter (even though I agree with you on that as well). It’s just that I wouldn’t be surprised if they’d managed to.

    • elaine says:

      Most men here simply LOVE girls using slang!

      But no, I think every smart girl here should check other women’s profiles to learn and be able to make hers’ stand out.

    • sweetlark says:

      @anonymous you’re welcome! and thank you for the heads up 😉

  105. Cryptic anomaly says:

    At the anonymous who said my method of not paying for get to know you meets is scary.

    I have found that is the best way of finding trying women as opposed to rinsers and fakes. Why would I pay a woman just to meet me? I might not like her, she may not like me, money wasted.

    It takes an investment from both sides, offering a woman money just to turn up means she will turn up for the money whether she is interested in the SD or not.

    She can string him along getting paid for chats and dinners and then bolt when eventually he
    expects something in return.

    I have never been duped, never been ripped off and have never duped a SB either. Unlike many SDs who throw their cash around and then wonder why they are getting ripped off.

    But I can see how my method would scare a SB who has nasty intentions. Best way to get rid of a scammer, tell them straight up no cash for first meets.

    • Cryptic anomaly says:

      * finding true/genuine some. Not trying, hard to type on phone!

      • Cryptic anomaly says:

        And you seem to have missed all the times that I have mentioned that I don’t expect anything in return until an arrangement has been agreed upon.

        I’ve had 2 SBs and they both were well taken care of and received more than they were asking for.

    • noname says:

      im not sure what is the best way but until the arrangement becomes itimate its a platonic arrangement why would you pay a allowance for that unless you looking for platonic not many if any are looking for this as some have said the allowance starts when the panties hit the floor

      • noname says:

        intimate not itimate coffee time

      • Charlotte says:

        It is very relative, if you are taking a flight to meet him for the first time and should stay there for 2 to 3 days, he should at least cover your travel costs, hotel and maybe some pocket money so that you can have some sight seeing alone. I had an arrangement like this without intimacy and I was given enough money to cover my first semester.
        Otherwise, “charging” a date even if sugar isn’t pretty at all. If a girl is too worried about spending extra two hours to get ready and asks for money for this bother, I don’t think SA is not a good place for her.

  106. Imask says:

    Him: How are you today. Would meeting for drinks and a meal followed by cocktails and you overnight appeal. I am looking for a weekly meet. Say £1000 per month allowance I should state at this juncture that assuming we get to the physical nature of the arrangement, I cant use condoms as I lose my
    erection. It’s a bit embarrassing discussing like this on here, but it’s the main reason I had a vasectomy nearly 20
    years ago. xxx

    Okie dokie. And I don’t even know his name but I know he had a vascetomy. Lol
    Tell me guys was it too soon for him to discuss this with
    me? That was his firt message.

    • Imask says:

      two days later…Same guy

      Him: Hey I’m in black burn for the night. Wanna meet?

      Lol. I am yet to reply the first message and I’m getting the second.

    • THEATLSD says:

      NEXT. Don’t even entertain responding to him. That ain’t no SD.

    • Anonymous says:

      that’s ‘cheap’ and gross; so much for not discussing intimate details through emails. So many fake SD’s. Not in the sense that they are fake. many of these men think too highly of themselves. “I’m a man of integrity, loyal and sensitive. BUT HES MARRIED AND LOOKING? Such filth. Men will open up with Profane vulgar language in emails. “Oh yeah I know that place, their food tastes like shit!” Or “I’ve been there, they’re waitresses can be bitches sometimes.”
      since behavior is condoned, no wonder SD’s think their bathrooms smell like roses. Low class, low brow. You all can guess all you want on here, you have NO IDEA WHAT A WOMAN OF ANY AGE ANY COLOR OR BACKGROUND CAN PULL.
      Many extraordinary meetings happens, attraction is sometimes merely Situational- & often better in person than on this site. GET HIM OFF THE EMAILS OFF THE CHAT & INTO FULL VIEW OF YOUR PERSON. Men are so stupid they don’t know what they want till they see it. Then when they’re bored of you, you’ve already gotten what you wanted, made provisions anyway-so bye bye fat gut-yes compared to Europe-you guys are fat guts. if you’re under 40, don’t jump in, you know I”m talking bout the old geezers with fat wallet erectile dysfunctions, Oh baby I’m so hard, I want you———–nothing there! God what a disappointing future you American men have to look forward to. Make sure you keep voting up those GMO food products. so stupid

      • elaine says:

        Ahhh…., so THEY are low class?!

        Maybe you are thinking a bit too highly of yourself…..
        You sound cheap and very low class, so probably that’s what you attract.

      • Kore says:

        @Anon You seem pretty pissed off for someone who can pull anything on stupid men. 😉

  107. Anonymous says:

    It seems that both of the female authors attended a collage together. They can’t even keep the names or the genders correct.

    [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3281751/Stanford-professor-reveals-unearthed-sexts-academic-wife-dean-fixing-iPhone-spied-months-reveal-scandal.html]

  108. SD experience in numbers says:

    I thought I would share actual data about my recent search for a SB on the site. For reference, I am a SD and my goal was a steady, traditional SD/SB arrangement in Southern California with one SB.

    Short version:
    25 message exchanges for each scheduled meeting
    2 scheduled meetings for each actual meeting
    3 actual meetings for each second meeting
    3 second meetings for each successful arrangement

    The long version:

    Total number of days in this search: 25

    Number of ladies who viewed my profile: 1,194
    Number of ladies who put me on their favorite list: 272
    Total number of ladies with message contacts: 482

    Total Messages (singles or conversations) I sent: 241
    Messages among them with no response: 101

    Total Messages (singles or conversations) I received: 381
    Messages among them I did not respond to: 241
    Messages among them I responded to: 140
    Conversations that had more than 5 messages: 53
    Converstaions on the site that led to email exchanges: 20
    Conversations that ended rudely: 3

    Conversations that led to a confirmed, scheduled meeting: 19
    Confirmed meetings that were canceled ahead of time: 7
    Confirmed meetings where the lady was a no-show: 2
    Meetings that actually happened: 10
    Meetings among them where the lady had initiated communication: 7

    Meetings that led to a second meeting: 3
    Meetings among them where the lady had initiated communication: 1

    Second meetings that led to an actual SD/SB arrangement: 1
    SD/SB arrangement where the lady had initiated communication: 1

    • yougottabekiddingme says:

      Wow. Thanks for sharing. Certainly gives some perspective.

      If I may ask…

      How long have you been on the site?
      Had you any experience prior to this?
      If so, did you find the process more involved this time around?

      Of the 10 who showed up, were they as they presented themselves? As you expected?

      • SD experience in numbers says:

        Hi, @yougottabekiddingme

        Some members got lost in the math, so here is the breakdown. All numbers count a full conversation with the same lady as 1.

        Total number of ladies with message contacts: 482
        (this is the total number of ladies that sent me a message and/or received a message from me)

        Total Messages (singles or conversations) I sent: 241
        Messages among them with no response: 101
        (this leaves 241-101=140 conversations where messages were sent and received)

        Total Messages (singles or conversations) I received: 381
        Messages among them I did not respond to: 241
        (this leaves 381-241=140 conversations where messages were sent and received; same number as above)

        The total is:

        Two-way conversations = 140
        + One-way messages from me = 101
        + One-way messages from the ladies = 241

        which adds up to 482 which is the number that started this message.

    • noname says:

      thanks for this SDEINS this shows its just a numbers game where you keep looking through the profile until you find the right one good luck to you

    • Jaybird923 says:

      If I’m reading the data correctly it seems that the people who initiated contactwith you were less flakey than the ones who you initiated contact with.

      Congrats on finding the one for you and I hope you have a long and happy arrangement.

    • Kore13 says:

      Total Messages (singles or conversations) I received: 381
      Total Messages (singles or conversations) I sent: 241
      Total number of ladies with message contacts: 482

      381+241=622. What happened with the rest of the 140 messages? I’ve misunderstood something..

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes you did, genius. 482 is the number of women involved. 622 is the number of messages.

      • Kore13 says:

        *facepalm* I don’t even know where to start……!!

        Ok, there were at least 265 messages between 53 people. According to you, this means that that the remaining 357 messages were split between the 429 remaining women involved?

        It would NOT work because 241+140+381+140-265 = 637. NOT 357! FFS…

        I could bring up more points as to why this wouldn’t work, but I won’t to save time (logical thinking doesn’t work with you anyway).

        Suffice to say that he has counted single OR response messages as each 1 conversation each (he hasn’t called it that because a conversation requires a response!).

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore

        I’m not going to break up the numbers. I don’t have the time or desire but something doesn’t look right to me either.

      • Kore13 says:

        @Anon It’s barely hard – he’s apparently replied to 140 messages and received exactly 140 messages as well. The moment I saw that, I knew it was fishy. 😉

        First lie and everything else fals apart as well.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        I’m getting

        241 messages he sent
        241 messages he got
        ——–
        482 message contacts

        And now my brain hurts.

    • Gunsandroses says:

      Dude you’re doing it wrong. Just be direct what you want. I’ve met six women and had 5 of them naked at the first meet. All have met with me more than once, other than the one I didn’t see naked. Women like bold men.

    • Anonymous says:

      You must be a boring, ugly, fat, bald accountant. You spent more time crunching numbers than fucking women. Ultimate fail.

  109. Caramel Sass says:

    I think it can be a turn off when in the start of talking w/ someone, the conversations immediately turn to sex. It should be evident that sex would naturally happen if the connection and interest was clearly there.

    To jump straight into ascertaining how someone can satisfy you sexually is basically the equivalent of someone wanting to know, right off the bat, how much they’ll reap financially. It takes away from the natural ebb, flow and stimulation of the direction a relationship can go in. On a site like this, people are so quick to think about “results” rather than the essential preliminaries that would dictate the quality of what the two people can have between each other.

    • Anonymous says:

      In a way I agree with you. However it seems to me that if the two people are on different wavelengths as to what they ultimately want it would be best to know sooner rather than later.
      Best to be upfront about what you want on your profile and check with any POT if they have read/agree with it. Polite way to handle it.

      • Caramel Sass says:

        I agree. Yes, it’s best to be honest when it comes to the intentions and goal for such a relationship.

        But there’s a fine line between keeping it real.. and just projecting your expectations onto someone with no effort/interest to see what they’re even about.

        Chemistry, a connection and mutual understanding will be overlooked by someone who’s ONLY concerned with how the other party will bring them ultimate satisfaction. It’s situations like this where too much focus on “results” can be a hindrance to the steps needed to be taken in reaching the desired results!

    • Anonymous says:

      It can be a turn off just like women who ask how much they’ll get before even meeting.

      That said if I’m unsure about what the woman is offering/expecting I will ask let her know I want intimacy from this it saves time in the end if we want different things but it can be done politely and with tact rather than making crude suggestions.

  110. Caramel Sass says:

    I think it can be a turn off when in the start of talking w/ someone, the conversations immediately turn to sex. It should be evident that sex would naturally happen if the connection and interest was clearly there.

    To jump straight into ascertaining how someone can satisfy you sexually is basically the equivalent of someone wanting to know, right off the bat, how much they’ll reap financially. It takes away from the natural ebb, flow and stimulation of the direction a relationship can go in. On a site like this, people are so quick to think about “results” rather than the essential preliminaries that would dictate the quality of what they two people can have between each other.

  111. Que says:

    The intimacy question is an important one – even a vital one.

    I am actually quite shocked to find that some SB’s are definitely looking only for a platonic arrangement and I think that should be one of the search / filter criteria. Many don’t state this on their profile, and in the past, not being the pushy type I have sometimes not come right out and ask. A couple of times I made the mistake of paying for three or four dates before this even came up.

    For me personally I genuinely don’t understand what the “mutual benefit” is in a platonic SB relationship. I have plenty of platonic female friends who are very happy to spend time with me without paying them for the privilege so I would never even have a first meeting without first raising the ugly question “platonic or not”.

    Yes, it can be awkward, but at the same time it’s better to ask it up front rather than both of you go forwards with unrealistic expectations.

    And coming back to that point about “mutual benefit” – I would not expect to pay the same allowance during the first few platonic “getting to know you” dates with an SB as I would once we agree that actually we trust each other to move to the next step and be intimate.

    Remember it’s an investment on both sides in figuring out whether this would work as a “fully functional” SB relationship. If she’s not prepared to invest the time then chances are she’s not that into you. :)

    So I normally propose and negotiate a simple pragmatic approach as follows:

    1) No commitment first meet – no pay, no play, usually coffee not even a dinner (although I often leave it open to move on to dinner if we’re getting on). Of course be a gentleman and pick up the tab – but don’t get talked into buying her dinner for a first date at Hakkasan or a Michelin star restaurant!

    2) Platonic period – regular dates, but at a significantly reduced rate – either pay-per-meet or a weekly allowance but never monthly. Paying a monthly allowance up front before building trust is just asking for trouble. Often you have only met this person once or twice so you have no idea if they are legit or a scammer. It’s sad but true, there are definitely a minority of scammers that make it impossible to trust unconditionally. I’ve been ripped off and it’s so easy if you aren’t careful.

    3) Intimate period – once you are comfortable enough to naturally move to intimacy then immediately you move to your (previously agreed) full SB rate. Again I would say in the first instance agree to pay this weekly NOT monthly until you establish trust.

    Don’t be taken in by SB’s who say “we need to trust each other” without taking time to get to know each other. Trust must be earned it cannot simply be given. If you trust someone up up front with a month’s allowance you should expect in at least some cases for them to suddenly disappear with it.

    Also don’t be conned by SB’s who say “I need more time”. Chemistry and mutual attraction between two sexually mature adults is almost instant. All you are doing on these first few dates is figuring out if you trust each other as people so neither party is going to take advantage of the other. If your SB is saying you need to take her for more than 5 dates maximum then I’m afraid she is likely taking you for a ride.

    • Cryptic anomaly says:

      You pay for dates? No,no,no!! No payment until arrangement has been discussed agreed upon and consummated! Seriously paying for get to know you dates makes it harder for the rest of us!

      • Que says:

        Hey, I don’t tell you how to be a sugar daddy, so please don’t tell me how to be one. I’ve had a few very successful relationships now with SBs and I know what works for me. I have also been burnt a few times by gold diggers / scammers so I’m no fool.
        As long as you agree some ground rules there should be no problem with a small payment to cover travel expenses during “get to know you” time. It’s an investment from both parties and shows you have some “skin in the game” and are not some nickle and dime “playa” who is just looking to get laid for the price of a nice meal.
        As long as everything feels mutually beneficial it’s all good.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @Que – giving someone some travel money, babysitter money, whatever is VERY different than giving someone some cash for a “getting to know you” meeting.

        @Cryptic isn’t trying to tell you how to SD, he’s giving you some advice you should listen to and take into consideration!

        Here’s another perspective…if she’s not going out of her way to meet you, you’re buying coffee/drink/meal as a first meeting, there’s no reason to talk about money before that meeting (other than when expectations differ, like her in the High category and you in the Moderate category)…if she really has something in the initial meetings, she’ll be able to meet you without the cash…otherwise, what does she have in it? Time? Hahahaha…that’s funny…if her time was that valuable, she wouldn’t NEED the cash for getting to know you.

        I like @ATLSD’s approach, and I’ve used it myself after hearing it…don’t talk money for getting to know you meetings, leave her with the expectation you’ll cover the cost of the “date”…assure her there’s no pressure for intimacy, it’s a meeting without ANY expectations, except to get to know each other (and cover gas or sitter if needed)…have, in your pocket, a gift card to a local shop (local to her if she’s traveled) or an online place like shoes, clothes, or even just general site like Amazon…if she doesn’t push for cash, give her the card…if she pushes for cash, she doesn’t deserve the card and she gets the “sex talk” since it’s supposed to be MUTUAL.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yikes cryptic anonomly your attitude is a turn off. There have been several guys who offer €300 plus for a strictly coffee, dinner or lunch only, first date. Not bc I asked but because they offered . or they gave a thoughtful gift for sharing time together. I have found men who have this thoughtful more serious and sincere in seeking an arrangement versus guys who are trying to make it easier for themselves. That sentiment u hold speaks volumes for the guys who are trying to get as much as they can for as little as they can.

    • noname says:

      QUE not some but a lot of SB want plantonic

    • Josh says:

      If given an option why would any SB want to have non-platonic with older men?

      If they can get platonic with older fools then they can turn around and adopt some projects for fun.

  112. Que says:

    Firstly, you need to understand that your market is international so you can’t make blanket statements like “It’s bad form to ask in messages if she will have sex with you, and even more degrading (and not to mention illegal) to offer her a set amount for sex.”
    Here in the UK prostitution is NOT illegal so asking straight out for money for sex is not illegal.
    In fact I would say 1/5 women I speak to moves fairly quickly to a “pay for play” discussion. It’s frustrating as it can seem quite appealing especially when her pictures are quite cute, but unlike other sites designed specifically for prostitutes and punters to meet here there is no verification process, no feedback / review system so it’s very much a lottery and I would say the risks more than outweigh the rewards. Usually when something seems too good to be true it is so if someone is offering to spend the night with you for £200 be prepared to sleep with one eye open and hope you don’t wake up in a bath of ice with a pain in your side. Just kidding obviously. 😉
    So that kind of fast track to intimacy to me seems risky at best.

  113. I appreciate the fundamentals of sugar dating but I can’t get over guys who expect sex on the first date having not even provided pictures of themselves. I’m not a prostitute- if you want one, go buy one.

    • THEATLSD says:

      The guys that want sex on the first date are not SD. They are Johns of now can be called Dave’s. :)

      • Caramel Sass says:

        The self-professed SD’s who want a “play for pay”/test-run as the initial meeting are in no way, shape or form a legitimate sugar daddy.

        These are Johns just looking for a quick nut whilst thinking too highly of themselves in settling for Craigslist.

        ‘Tis a shame.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Caramel Sass

        The self-professed SB’s who want a “gift” as the initial meeting are in no way, shape or form a legitimate sugar babies.

        These are rinsers just looking for a quick nut whilst thinking too highly of themselves in settling for Craigslist.

      • Cool Nerd says:

        “The self-professed SB’s who want a “gift” as the initial meeting are in no way, shape or form a legitimate sugar babies.”

        Who says they are? Those types are girls are the perfect match for the Johns. Clearly.

        Moral of the story: it’s a cruel sugar world for those that are actually legit.

        Lol. :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        “…it’s a cruel sugar world for those that are actually legit.”

        I agree 100%

  114. Lamar Studley says:

    To clarify…. The amount I am talking about is de minimus. Valet is usually under $20, Uber taxi under $50-$60 round trip, etc. Just a nice gesture. That’s all. Especially when they are coming to my preferred area. And people are right, its not the norm for pot employers to pay for pot employee interview travel. But I am not normal, lol (highly specialized consulting).

  115. Sabiá says:

    The most attractive thing an SD could do…is literally be himself and mean what the hell he says Lol
    First off, I wouldn’t pick someone who I didn’t think could stimulate my mind AND body. For me, there’s nothing like an intelligent conversation and a man sharing his goals or ambitions ….Phew!!! Yes! <3 If you got something going for yourself, take care of your mind AND body…you already have my attention!

    • Sabiá says:

      Hell, if we REALLY click, intimacy wouldn’t be of any question..

    • Anonymous says:

      Does anyone care?

      Black SBs don’t do very well here.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        Nor do assholes.

      • Anonymous says:

        And hell knows there are plenty of SBs who are assholes.

      • Anonymous says:

        Not as many as farce sd blog trolls

      • Anonymous says:

        I would say the numbers are just about equal.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Anonymous There are many of us that do quite well on SA. The ones that do well don’t brag about it and the ones who don’t are more vocal and are always online somewhere complaining about it.

        And I agree with YGTBKM You’re an asshole

      • Anonymous says:

        @other Anonymous

        So which of us do you think she was calling an asshole?

      • Hmmm.. says:

        What does race have to do with anything? Your reply was ignorant.

        If she knows her worth and what she won’t settle for, then good for her.
        That says more about her than the majority of empty-headed floozies that are sought out on here; AKA the ones who have no direction in life, bring little to no value and have no issue popping their pussy for a car payment.

        Not sure about you, but I take the road less traveled 😉

        Regardless of skin color, it’s substance & quality that prevails.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Anonymous no need to wonder this is who I thought was an asshole Anonymous says:
        December 17, 2015 at 12:41 pm

        Sorry I should have been more specific

      • Anonymous says:

        Ok, that wasn’t me lol.

      • MarriedMe says:

        I do not understand why Women of Color don’t do well…I would certainly enjoy the company of a smart and attractive colored woman. The downside I see is that the younger ones get too trashy on their posts, and use horrid photos that are very unflattering. It is too bad since I would like a relationship with one if we clicked.

    • THEATLSD says:

      Sabia. You don’t need all those disclaimers in your profile. That’s a turn off. Just ignore those guys that ask for all that. Also, as I stated before you are in a tough town to find a SD. I know a Awesome SB in your town and she has a hard time finding SD’s. Location plays a big part in this.

      • Sabiá says:

        Yea I had thought about that at first but since I’m doing alright think I’ll leave it be. If it’s a turn off then they must not be the type of SD I’m interested in… (shrugs)

        think there is one thing I will alter though. Thanks for the feedback :-)

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        @Sabia

        If you felt the need to put it in your profile, it’s likely something youve encountered, and your tolerance is probably worn thin. I get it.

        That said, ATL is right about your profile. Take it as you will.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Disclaimers don’t stop you from getting messages you don’t want. An asshole won’t see a disclaimer that say no assholes and leave you alone. He’s still going to message you. But what all the disclaimers do is turn away legit SDs.

        When you look at a profile and see all those disclaimers all it tells the SD is that you must be exclusively getting messaged by sub par SDs. And if no other quality SDs want you, maybe there’s something behind that, that’s not readily apparent to him.

        If you were doing so well I doubt you’d have a need for all those disclaimers in your profile. But as always feel free to ignore the suggestions

      • Anonymous says:

        “But what all the disclaimers do is turn away legit SDs.”

        Yes, the disclaimers are big red flags to me. They are almost always indicative of a negative attitude.

      • Sabiá says:

        @Anonymous
        I thought more so that when there’s a crazy list of disclaimers that it would make someone turn away. Cause I’ve seen em a mile long lol. The first one on my profile actually came from how many times I had seen it on SD profiles. The second & third were after negative experiences/attempts to meet an SD. But I can see how a disclaimer list would get longer as I sift through SDs lol

        Sifting through messages, adjusting profile, adding/deleting and changing pictures is now an occasional routine…until something of strong interest comes along.

  116. TVC15 says:

    “Far from the wake-up call some expected, the data breach that aired the personal dealings and financial information of Ashley Madison clients has yet to spur concrete changes in web security or the online dating industry.”

    {http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2015/12/16/ashley-madison-hack-not-the-wake-up-call-some-expected-experts-say.html}

  117. Horndog says:

    A world without women would be a pain in the ass.
    Difference between being hungry and horny is where you put the cucumber.
    Good sex is like a game of bridge. If you don’t have a great partner, you better have a good hand.
    My sex life is like a Ferrari. I don’t have a Ferrari.

    • yougottabekiddingme says:

      What if you’re hungry AND horny? 😀

      • Horndog says:

        Well if you satisfy the hungry first, then you can’t take care of the horny later.
        You can satisfy the horny first then the hungry but you have to wash the cucumber. Otherwise, it would be gross.
        Or just cut it in half and take care of both but do a half assed job.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        LOL @ “half assed job” 😀

  118. TVC15 says:

    Is anybody using an android app to keep their phone number private while texting? Any recommendations?

  119. Jaybird923 says:

    Has anyone heard the latest on the whole AM Hack? Turns out blackmailers are now sending letters to people’s houses instead of emails in an attempt to blackmail men who were on the site.

    • TVC15 says:

      That’ll certainly get people’s attention.

      • Anonymous says:

        I have received those emails but they went to my Spam folder. They were asking for bitcoins. Can’t believe people actually fell for that scam. If you use a credit card that ties your home address to any of these sites then you deserve everything coming to you for being so stupid.

      • TVC15 says:

        My favorites were the US government workers who used their work email addresses.

      • Anonymous says:

        SA encouraged coed SB’s to use their college.edu email addresses for a premium account or something. I wonder how many suckers fell for that asinine option? The hackers found a treasure trove of FBI.gov, whitehouse.gov, and IRS.gov email addresses during the AM debacle. SMH

      • TVC15 says:

        A married US homeland security dope contacted me once, with his real name that I found plenty of info about on google, and with a pic that could be reverse image searched. The idiot even bragged to me about his job. Just think, that guy’s in charge of keeping you safe right now. Sleep well tonight. :)

      • Anonymous says:

        @TVC15 One hit on me at the airport too a couple years back. Yes he was doing his job very well while he chatted me up while waiting for my ride outside the airport Lol.

  120. Jaybird923 says:

    I just found out they are going to redo the SA website. I wonder what new features they’ll be adding. Version 3 is coming soon guys

    • Anonymous says:

      It will include a word filtering program. Words like “intimacy”, “sex”, “P4P”, and “escort” will not be allowed. However, words like “platonic”, “arm candy”, and “sucker” will be mandatory in every profile.

    • Anonymous says:

      Every profile must have princess, queen and spoil me as well. Bathroom and car selfies are must as well.

    • Cryptic says:

      * Different level of allowance types.
      * A IM System would be useful.
      * Something really cheesy and gimmicky like an auction where SB’s can see what they are worth/have themselves rated etc
      * Type of arrangement.

      Mostly though I think it will be exactly the same but different appearance. It will only be down for 4 hours so I’m not expecting much.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well it got worse between 1 and 2 so I guess it will just get worser and yeah I know no such word.

  121. Dash says:

    It’s a very good filter for the ladies I would think. If you get someone who is leading with “when can we screw”, consider yourself fortunate he didn’t bother to fake interest in anything else.

    Similarly, I usually avoid the women who have tag line like “spoil me”.