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Introducing Let’s Talk Sugar

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Sugar Sisters rejoice! There is finally a place to call home for the Sugar Baby community to share tips, tricks and of course, your one-of-kind stories! Your favorite sugary sweet YouTube show is now so much more, and it’s only a click away at www.LetsTalkSugar.com.

While the SeekingArrangement blog is more Sugar Daddy oriented, LetsTalkSugar.com caters to the lifestyle of Sugar Babies and focuses on cultivating and organizing the Sugar community. The site is filled with original content designed by, and for Sugar Babies of all walks of life. Let’s Talk Sugar aims to serve as the go-to guide for those seeking the Sugar lifestyle, or seasoned veterans looking to share their Sugar success.

Sugar Babies will be able to gain insight on topics any where from finances and fashion to sex and more.  Have something to share? The forums and guest blog posts are always open and looking for fresh insight from those in the Sugar Bowl. So don’t be shy to share your very own Sugar Story! Who knows, you may have just the right advice for a fellow Sugar Sister.

Browse through a plethora of blog topics that answer the real questions and issues that you are curious about.  Whether it be the best ways to handle a long distance Sugar relationship, getting tips straight from a Sugar Daddy, or even if you’re looking to getting a little more risque in the bedroom, we have something for you too!

Don’t see anything that appeals to you? Feel free to submit a guest blog here and have your writing hosted on a site just for you!

 
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1,852 Responses to “Introducing Let’s Talk Sugar”

  1. Tokki says:

    Would someone please take a look at my profile and offer constructive feedback on changes to be made? Much appreciated!
    https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/b73001fa-5027-4745-afe0-cbbc10d1c38e

  2. Nadia says:

    So im going to be a sugar baby to help pay for rent and school. I dont want sex in the relationship (will i still be able to get a sugar daddy?), will i have to dress sexy and wear sexy lingerie (i dont any of that nor can i afford it), can i keep my job at walmart while being a sugar baby? I also have no idea how to act sexy

  3. 45SWM says:

    There are SD’s who would enjoy mentoring a pretty young lady, but they won’t be paying an allowance in that context. Also, the SD is likely to move on to someone who enjoys mentoring as well as some adult fun.

    The bottom line is that any arrangement/relationship that is mutually enjoyable is doable. You should not be expecting any allowance or financial benefits in the context you describe.

  4. ashli says:

    do the relationships you establish here have to always be sexual? I am new and i am more so looking for mentorship from successful people who don’t mind taking a fun person under their wing

    • Calli Dan says:

      99.9% of the time they will be sexual. If I want a young girl to talk to and take under my wing, I will take my niece to work with me. If I want a sexless relationship, I will get married. Sex is part of the relationship, if you can’t come to terms with that, this probably isn’t for you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ditto!

  5. anne says:

    I ‘m new on the site and let me know how to get in contact with SD

  6. Amacio22 says:

    i am new here and i dont know how it works.all i want is a loving caring woman to call my woman someone i can think of when am away and miss when i go to sleep,i dont want someone who is keen on sex alone it should be flexible when it comes to making it all work.hit me up if you want to know about me and i will gladly respond.

  7. Anonymous says:

    i am new here and i dont know how it works.all i want is a loving caring woman to call my woman someone i can think of when am away and miss when i go to sleep,i dont want someone who is keen on sex alone it should be flexible when it comes to making it all work.hit me up if you want to know about me and i will gladly respond

  8. Sexy Rae doll says:

    *i haven’t had much experience with the sugar world.

  9. Sexy Rae doll says:

    I’m new baby to this site. I haven’t had much experience with in this sugar world. What are some tips and tricks to help me become successful?

  10. Jordannn says:

    I’m new to sugaring. I meet with a potential sugar daddy and he told me we would start slow to build trust…so for the first month he is going to give me money each time we meet then I will have an allowance…the allowance he said is 1200 a month so around 350 a week the first month…is it normal to start this way? He did not give me money the first time we met. Is that normal? Although we met at Starbucks…we talked for about a hour. Thanks babies ?

    • noname says:

      well for a meet and greet normally no sex or money gets exchanged its just to get to know each other as for 1200 a month i don’t live in your area so i don’t know if that is normal but i do know there is is no right or wrong amount for a arrangement its whatever makes two people happy

    • ATLSD says:

      That sounds normal and pretty much how I work. No gift should be expected at first meet I always pay for any cost to meet (i.e subway, gas, parking, uber) if I really like the POT SB I will give a gift card to set the tone for another meet.

    • ATLSD says:

      After looking at your profile you need to take that offer. That will probably be the best one you get. Really, giving the finger, you thing older gentlemen like that shiot?? Good luck

    • Lola says:

      welcome to the waste my time and let me dream i will ever get an allowance website

  11. SxyAznMom says:

    I’m new to sugaring. I have gotten lots of emails in the past and gone on a couple of dates with a POT SD, but was either not attracted to him or was scared and not ready. That was maybe a year ago and I had then disabled my account. So, now I am ready and have a POT SD date set up for this weekend at a public location. We’ve texted daily for a couple of weeks while he was out of town on business. He has already proposed $300 per meet and ideally would love to be intimate on our first meet. Again, I am new to this, so is it advisable to be intimate on the first meet and how is payment typically done? Thank you in advance for your advice.

    • noname says:

      sxymom SA doesn’t approve pay per meet but having said that many SD do offer these kinds of arrangements i don’t use this but it does work with the right SD the big question are you ready to be intimate don’t let him pressure you into this if your not ready don’t do it but don’t expect a allowance but if you are then enjoy yourself and get your allowance

      • Lola says:

        This isn’t being sugar daddy this is escorting , a real sugar daddy will spend more time with you like business trip and make sure you ae paid during that time if he sees you and pays you for sex , what proves you you will ever see his dumbass again?

    • Anonymous says:

      Tread carefully, SxyAznMom. He’s probably looking for one night. You will get $300 but likely not a SD out of this.

    • SDaddy says:

      @SxyAzn

      That is Normal. I always start the arrangement the 1st date . My Sbs want the allowance and I want the intimacy. I disagree with the premise that you will not get an SD. It is true that you might not hit it off ,but if you do -and sexual compatibility is a key part of the Sugar relationship-you will have a long term relationship

  12. Char90 says:

    I’m new to this entire way of life so all the pointers I can get would be more than welcome. Is my profile ok? Should I message first? HELP!!

  13. Jamiila says:

    I’m finding it a bit difficult to find anyone on this site that’s serious about a SD/SB relationship. I keep getting “salt” daddies, maybe my profile only attracts salt..? Can someone help me out lol because this site is making me feel like a prostitute and I really don’t think that’s what a mutually beneficial relationship is about.

  14. Shy Baby says:

    I’ve seen guys that I’m curious about or interested in but am a bit shy and unsure about how too approach them. A bit new to online. Have always been one for the old fashion ways of meeting people and have no clue where to start with meeting anyone online.

    • SDaddy says:

      Online all traditional bets are off . Take the bull by the horn and either favorite them or even better write them . Say “I am interested in getting to know you . ” Then the ball is in his court and he will respond if he is interested as well. Make sure he is a Premium Member because he can not respond too you if he is not .

  15. Sugar Baby says:

    Is a platonic friendship something that happens on this site? Just one where someone could give the gift of knowledge and their life experiences? Maybe even debate? I wouldn’t mind having that as well. Also no, not a friendship that asks for any sort of financial support.

    • SDaddy says:

      Sure ! Most guys would not respond to a request for financial help with a platonic relationship ,but if no money were involved ,some would like to get to know you-and importantly ,help you navigate the tricky on line thing .

      • Lynnae says:

        I thank you very much for responding to this, much appreciated. It’s hard to message people on this site of course, without the assumption of wanting some sort of financial help.

  16. Sandy says:

    Salut moi je suis nouvelle dans ce site j’aimerai connaitre le fonctionnement de ce site car je le trouve intéressant mais j’arrive pas a me trouvé quelqu’un depuis près d’un mois que je suis ici merci de m’aider avec vos conseils

  17. Brad says:

    My daddy gave me 600$ last week, love this website <3

  18. Baby Needs You says:

    I have been on this site for a week and it seems there are no sugar daddy’s that are serious about meeting up. I am clear on what i want and i am open minded. I dont understand why i havent had any dates yet….What could i be doing wrong? Please help.

    • Anonymous says:

      You are deluded, substantial? Pff

      • Anonymous says:

        “Send me money, get to know me. Send me more money, talk on the phone maybe face time, send me more, maybe we can go out.”

        I wouldn’t pay more than $200 per meet with you. Good luck on convincing a guy to pre-pay to meet you.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am sure you wouldn’t pay ANYONE over $200 so good luck with that.

    • noname says:

      your asking for a fee for the M&G most sd won’t pay for a meet and greet and your asking for a lot of money a lot of SD won’t look at your profile with that amount so your pool of suiters will be very small if any good luck in your search just be prepared for a very long wait

    • Jaybird923 says:

      ROTFLMAO Are you fucking kidding me? Good luck!

    • Anonymous says:

      You don’t look 23.

    • THEATLSD says:

      A couple questions come to mind:

      1: you like “roll play”. What type Kaiser, dinner, butter,potato?

      2: What’s “Langerie”? Is that a what grandma wears?

      3: What tribe do belong too?

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe try Minimal?

    • Sugar Baby says:

      You’ve been on this site for a little over a week, why is it that you need payment to get to know someone. You had a lot of fakes? That’s not much of a reason, considering the initial fact…that it’s been a week.

      • bronzencarmel queen says:

        I haven’t met a sd yet, but I get several messages. I may of finally met a sd. I am excited too. Even if it is not love, the thought of a man who is going to want what I want has taken months, to find.

    • Liyli says:

      you talk about money too early. slow down and try to talk to them first.

    • Toledo20 says:

      Move to louisiana, I’ll bring u on a date.lol

  19. I have been on this site for a week and it seems there are no sugar daddy’s that are serious about meeting up. i am clear on what i want and i am open minded. I dont understand why i havent had any dates yet….?

  20. Victoria says:

    Question: Do SD are into black women?

  21. PasserSunshine says:

    U just can not treat the man whom u love as a suger daddy, right? It’s just so weird…

  22. Sugar Baby says:

    Is my page too harsh? My photos haven’t been approved yet.

  23. Looking4Mine says:

    Someone show me this sugar world! I’m very intrigued!

    • Josh says:

      “Wheres A ReaL SugarDaddy When A Lady Needs 1”?

      On sale at Neiman Marcus?

    • Anonymous says:

      “—IF YOU ARE OFFERING $$$ FOR SEX- I’M NOT A PROSTITUTE, HOOKER, OR CALL GIRL, ETC & I’M NOT INTERESTED!”

      How about I don’t offer $$$ FOR SEX and you provide it for free? That will take care of the “PROSTITUTE, HOOKER, OR CALL GIRL, ETC” dilemma.

    • SA Guru says:

      An Arrangement is short for “Mutually Beneficial Relationship” between two people. Such a relationship is usually between an older and wealthy individual who gives a young person expensive gifts or financial assistance in return for intimacy.

    • THEATLSD says:

      You state you are “corky”. Can I call you Beaujolais?

  24. Anonymous says:

    I have a couple of question about the sugaring. Most and foremost these questions are important because of the lifestyle. They are regarding the SB personal life.

    Question #1:
    what if the sugar baby is married? should she post that in the bio or tell the SD? Should that be an important thing to mention or just hide it and say you are single? should the SB mention this do her husband?

    #2: what about boyfriends? They don’t give you any allowance but you do love them. should they know? would that count as cheating?

    #3: If in case at some point during the SB/SD experience. Did the SB move out to have her own place and paid for by her SD? Did the SB live with her parents? or her husband or her boyfriend…. does moving out to have your own place helped out?

    I would greatly appreciate this information. Mostly because i do have a current boyfriend and i also want to start sugaring. we do not live together, but we talked about it. I think if someone who started in this lifestyle having a boyfriend or being married. Do you have any advice? Any experience on this matter and the outcome? Thank you.

    • Anonymous says:

      The possibility of a boyfriend taking you on as a wife are dwindling every year.

      Get rid of the boyfriend and embrace sugar.

      There are many SDs who are looking for sort of part-time girlfriends. Not only your emotional, sexual but also your financial needs will be met this way.

    • SD says:

      It is ideal if the your activities are above board-that is-the BF knows. Then there will no hard feelings if he finds out and drama. But if that is not possible then be careful and go into stealth mode . Absolutely you should tell the SD. Some will not want to see you because of moralistic concerns ,but that is their loss. Most SDs are married so it is good for them to have foreknowledge of their outstanding risks.

  25. Kim says:

    I met a guy online longtime ago who introduced to me this site. I have been to some holiday girlfriend for some guys I’ve met online before. I didn’t know that there are some site like these who give opportunity to young ,ambitious,pretty and educated woman like myself to met nice and successful man looking for romantic affair with exchange for a valuable experience. I am looking to meet a sugar-daddy who is nice, generous,ambitious and openminded.

  26. Sugar Baby says:

    I just signed up to this site, and it gives me no option to put in my info, or to search for anyone?

  27. Isaac HW Joseph says:

    I’m new to this whole thing been on the site for a week… There seems to be a lack/inactive amount of sugar momma’s… ANY ADVICE AND OR HELP FOR MALE SUGAR BABY’S WOULD BE USEFUL. How do I know who is a sugar baby and a sugar momma if it does not say on their profile?

    • SD says:

      You might as well cancel your account. There are no sugar mommas in here. Have you considered working and getting a real job instead?

      • Isaac HW Joseph says:

        I have and I do… Actually 4 jobs… I live in the city so… Cost of living is high my friend, just got done with schoool not to long ago. But thanks for your input. I have linked up with one sugar momma so idk how true your statement is…. I see accounts too but like I said i have seen some accounts but they have been inactive for 4 months to sometimes a year

  28. Kitten^_^ says:

    I am new to this site but not to being spoiled by wealthy men that simply just want extra attention from me. However, I am trying this site in the hopes that the arrangements can be more organized. I have found out that so far, nobody knows what they want and/or what they are willing to spend. I would of liked to assume that since we are signed up for this site, that we know what is at stake here…

  29. PixieCocoBelle says:

    I’m looking for an SD and I only joined very recently. I guess my question is – does anyone have experience with coming across and even meeting SD’s that don’t want sex or a physical relationship – but just want company, friendship, innocent fun etc? Personally, I’ve been quite clear on my profile that I’m not interested in engaging with anything physical I.e. Sex, and I wondered if that would probably put men off?

    • SD says:

      There lots of Sugar daddies here who will be glad to spend some time with you. But you will not get one cent unless you fuck him and suck him to his heart’s content. The sooner you accept this, the better it is for you. No sex, no allowance. If this lifestyle is not for you, go to match.com

    • Frank95 says:

      Hi, I don’t live in your part of the world, so I don’t have any reason to mislead you. So, I hope the following comments are helpful.

      First of all, it really depends on the relative numbers of men and women in your area. I looked at your profile, and you have a lot to offer the right guy, even without sex being on the table. However, there are also over two hundred women in the same location who are also very very appealing. (That number also has women over thirty and with high expectations for allowances filtered out. Some of those are nice too!)

      So, it depends on how many sugar daddies there are close by (also check that they are still active – if they haven’t logged on in the past week, most likely they have been snapped up).

      If there are hundreds of sugar daddies, then you have a good chance of getting what you want.

      If, on the other hand, there are relatively few sugar daddies, then they are able to meet some very attractive and nice ladies from whose profiles it is clear that intimacy is assumed.

      In that case, guys would be faced with a choice: date someone who is happy to provide intimacy, or date someone just as nice, but who isn’t looking for intimacy. Realistically, what do you think.

      However it turns out, best of luck to you.

    • SD says:

      No sex? Fugettaboutit ! Your profile will be looked at, a few guys might contact you thinking that their animal magnetism will convert you to a sex goddess, but you have a 1/10,000 chance of securing a sexless SD . @Frank said you have the right stuff for the right guy -ask him if he has a friend in England .

      If you want a friend for no allowance ,a lonely old guy might love to have a friend too.

  30. Anonymous says:

    I need to find a real gay sugar daddy

    • Cutomersupport says:

      Dear gay guy,
      Go to newest blog and ask for Josh.
      He knows all about gay sugar daddy’s.
      Sincerely,
      Anderson Cooper

  31. Mayan Honey says:

    A Sugar Daddy gave me his number, but hasn’t even shared his name. I get the discreet thing, but I like manners too. What’s the best way to communicate with him? I don’t really want to give out my cell phone number just yet. I’m moving towards being in the public sphere and want to keep some anonymity. What’s the best way to progress in communication, but still stay safe?

  32. Ms. Zee88 says:

    I have been on this site for now a year and it’s gotten me nowhere I mean I would get the profile views and that’s it and for my first time since last year i met someone two weeks ago. We had a great date and at the end he wanted me to call him for “sex” and that was the last time we spoke lol….SA isn’t really working for me at all. I get more results in other sites than SA. I’ve tried a whole year on this site and no success no results. I’m not new at this I’m very well experienced in knowing how to treat my SD’s I just wish at least someone would give me a chance to show him a good time. I don’t know what to do anymore so I’m highly considering deleting my account.

  33. Cherimoya Velour says:

    I want a SD but I need chemistry and a connection involved so that the feelings can be natural and mutual.

  34. Vixiena says:

    Anonymous says:
    October 28, 2015 at 1:22 pm
    I like the pump and dump plan . There’s something sexy about a beautiful girl walking around all day with my juices flowing from her. She can remember the good time we had . And my DNA is on a search mission in her tubes and ovaries. Maybe she will make my baby which will be a lifelong reminder of the fun we had . This guy must be Koen Dp. A stupid time waster that is only dreaming of making baby do no waste your time with him

  35. Vixiena says:

    So i am also knew here and one anonymous mentionning he would like a lady having his semen going out of her i think is Koen.This guy is a Belgium big time waster and non serious SD as he is only there to benefit without giving anything in return

  36. JoJo20 says:

    So I am new to being a sugar baby. Of course men are a little tentative about giving an allowance right at the beginning so if I do a few dates up front with a daily payment until I am certain this SD is the right one for me, is that acceptable? Daily payments until we are both certain the arrangement is right for us and then move to a monthly allowance?
    Thanks!

    • Anonymous says:

      are you having sex with him while these daily payments are going on?

    • THEATLSD says:

      Of course SD are tentative. There are so many Salty SB and rinsers that SD have to make sure they will not be ripped off. You will be hard pressed to find any SD that will pay per date.

  37. Winterain says:

    a fake sugar daddy named charmine is on seeking arrangements from montreal he wanted to meet for coffee so I agree. Then he said he wouldn’t meet unless I told him there would be “sensual” time after. When I said im not that kind of girl he accused me of not following my feelings and he was looking for a girlfriend and that if I had sensual time with him and we had chemistry then he would pay my allowance. When I said again I would just meet him for coffee he said and what no sex??? When I said no he cancelled our meeting. He then txt me back asking for my email address said he wanted to send me something, it was an interac transfer for money but I didn’t get the deposit link it said for 24-48 hours. He then contacted me the next day and ask to meet me after work. I agreed. He then said again for sensual time and I re- iterated now for a meeting……. We agree to a time and the ten min before he was suppose to come he said he was going to be another 45 min. When I said I had plans and that it was two days of my time he had wasted he got annoyed with me and asked what time I would be home. When I said it would be til late and I had plans all weekend he was upset. I then said that this was causing me more stress then happiness and that I wasn’t interested in meeting him anymore and I wasn’t into games and he proceeded to tell me then that he would cancel the money and to take care! What type of behaviour is this I expected a higher class level of men on this site? Feeling discouraged

    • noname says:

      winterain he wasn’t a real SD there is no sex or money exchanged on a first meet its the time you get to know each other to see if you want to continue keep trying not everyone is a creep there are fakes for the sb and sd both you just need to be careful like any kind of dating

    • Anonymous says:

      m&g Is safe time for each other ,but it doesn’t mean that you can’t go straight to the Hotel if you hit it off. I usually do end up in bed with my new SB on the same night . I’m usually horny and ready to go and they usually want to start the allowance .

  38. Lyriss says:

    I’m new and I don’t know how to approach this. I really would like advice

  39. Victoria says:

    I feel like I don’t have any luck with Sugar Daddy. Do Sugar Daddies find black women attractive? I’m curious.

  40. dink18 says:

    #SugarBabyHere

  41. Anonjay says:

    So I have never beeen a Sb before and im sort of confused. Am i meant to wait for the SD To message or am i meant to message them.

    Secondly i got contacted by a SB, after a few emails, i thought he was interesting and was willing to travel up to meet him, to reassure myself he was truthful and financially forthcoming, i asked that he prove himself. He suggested an advance and i agreed, now he’s not replying my emails, does this happen?

  42. Anonymous says:

    There are primarily three broad possibilities in sugar:

    1. Woman puts out and gets money at the end of a time period (week or month)
    2. Woman puts out and gets money as installments (most common is at each meeting)
    3. Woman puts out and gets money at the beginning of a time period

    Most women would not go for #1 claiming it to be too risky. I don’t blame them. It is risky.

    A good number of women go for #2.

    Some hold out for #3 and call those who go for #2 prostitute. Most will bolt after getting the money anyway.

    • Anonymous says:

      P4P is not a sugar invention. This is your stupid agenda which you want to push. Good luck with finding multiple SDs juggling p4p escort ‘SBs’

  43. Anonymous says:

    Just like regular dating, most SDs are ok with no sex on first date…as the first date is for meet & greet to decide if both want to go forward.

  44. Anonymous says:

    The fixation about P4P = prostitution is interesting to say the least.

    Convince SA to provide a guarantee that every time an SB bolts with and SD’s money then SD will be reimbursed.

    You will see more SDs fronting the money upfront instead of insisting on P4P, which is necessary due to SB fraud.

    • Anonymous says:

      *giving money upfront…

      • Attica M says:

        But sds want sex up front (first meeting)and say thats the only way they will give money to a “sb”

        Also there is no evidence that sd have to prove a sb is not an escort other than what they believe are tall tell signs. Though to me sex on first meeting seems reason enough.

      • Anonymous says:

        only twice I met with SBs who wanted to start right away. These were the only times were I was on the fence. Did it anyway, one was ok, another a total disaster.
        Normally, the second or the third date is an arrangement.

    • SD says:

      I desire sex right away -the sooner the better. But I want one girl at a time. I don’t have the time or energy to juggle multiples. I also do not want my girl to be banging other guys . Therefore she needs to be 1)financially stable,2) not greedy -just need a little extra spoiling,3) happy with one guy ,and 4) not a nympho.There are definitely nymphos of both sexes -and these folks need each other .They can never be satisfied and require sex daily or multiple times daily . Nothing wrong with them except they live a tormented life, unless they get that sex fix. These are the folks who require multiple partners

      • AnonymousBae says:

        That is called a sex addict, not a nympho.

      • Anonymous says:

        Nymphomania is a mental disorder marked by compulsive sexual behavior. Compulsions are unwanted actions, or rituals, that a person engages in repeatedly without getting pleasure from them or being able to control them. In the case of nymphomania, people act out their compulsions by engaging in risky behaviors such as promiscuity.

        If you get pleasure from your behavior does that mean you are Normal ? Does the pleasure have to be sexual or does money lust count when rinsing a mark ?

      • Kim says:

        I like your idea of being Sugar Daddy. This is typically a daddy that i am looking for and willing to spend sometime.

      • Liyli says:

        don’t label people. I like to have sex everyday and it is totally fine when I’m in a relationship and I live with my partner. I’m very healthy also. I’ve been single for two years and I haven’t have any sex like before. don’t judge people please. First google some article and then talk about it :)

    • AnonymousBae says:

      It is necessary only in your sick mind. This p4p thing was frowned upon in the sugarbowl a few blogs back (check it out).

  45. Attica M says:

    50+ : i look younger than my age

    but you sure don’t dress like it. suits are one thing but they always when women to look like trophies but they are looking like my neighbors dad in socks with sandals. your pants are higher than my high waist skirts.

    but i guess thats none of my business.

  46. AnonymousBae says:

    Wow. Some daddies really are THAT delusional.

  47. Anonymous says:

    The Royal Highness can’t do Americans…this Anon predicted that from the beginning.

    • elaine says:

      Yep, you were right.

      Me and American SDs is not gonna work.

      But it was an interesting experience. :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        I’ve had lots of women pull the old “poof” disappearing act on here and on irl dating sites. It’s not an American thing, it’s an internet thing.

      • lurker says:

        You’re too sophisticated for Americans. Younger men attracted to experienced middle-aged woman, with the woman a bit dominant and role play thrown in, goes way above the heads of Americans, most of whom are stuck intellectually/emotionally somewhere between the 9 year old (fart jokes!) and 15 year old (got to second base with the b*tch, squeezed her big boobs!) level of development.

        The women here are not much better, because they pander to such men. Nothing to offer but fake boobs and princess attitudes. Only way to get them excited is by talking down to them like the little b*tches they are. Respect for the young SDs who pull some sort of scam (used to be lots of threads at the roosh v forum and elsewhere about how to scam SBs by playing on their anxiety about being tainted with the label of prostitute), contempt for the SDs of any age who are dumb enough to actually give them money.

        A few exceptions to the above generalizations, of course. My 6 month subscription here runs out in two more weeks. Had some interesting experiences here, so it wasn’t entirely wasted time or money, but I won’t be renewing.

      • AnonymousBae says:

        @lurker Respect for the young SDs who pull some sort of scam Contempt for the SDs of any age who are dumb enough to actually give them money.

        WTF? Get outta here, scammer. Great that you’re showing your true colors.

      • Anonymous says:

        @lurker…It’s best you don’t renew with that bitter, horrible attitude of yours. Taking advantage of anyone is never
        acceptable.

    • Sugar Daddy says:

      hi

  48. Anonymous says:

    Find the unicorn here: e380d798

  49. Anonymous says:

    Regarding the amount per meet, I have found that the quality of the experience is inversely proportional to the spending. With my current SB, I give her 300 per evening and we have an amazing time together. I tried some others who were asking double or triple that and they turned out to be duds. One strike and they’re out.

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re not a SD. Quit fooling yourself. You are somebody that uses an escort service that pays p4p.

      • rembodler says:

        Of course he is not a SD! SD, according to you, is someone who gives u 10k every time you text him, “Hi, papi, I need money”.

      • elaine says:

        @ Rembodler has not only reading glasses (that he loses very often) but also a crystal ball!

        He knows exactly what people are thinking, doing or saying without knowing them.
        It is magical! :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        Nope, SDs are people who agree on an allowance (whatever be it) with a woman they have chemistry with, despite other things, and not just a pump and dump. From the description of the Anon who wrote that, it seems that he thinks of this as an escort service, regarding the amount per meet, p4p, whatever and is using it that way. Great!

      • Kore says:

        I wish the Anons would simply pick monikers. Quite a few come across as a collective douchebag conscience. Then there are others like this last anon that actually has something useful to say.

      • Anonymous says:

        There she trolls, there she trolls again.

        The La’s

    • Anonymous says:

      @Rem is correct. Unless you are giving free money for the asking, you are not a sugar daddy…you are at best Splenda daddy if not salt daddy.

      This is how SA defines an SD and gosh darn it…there are oodles of post on IG and Tumblr to keep the SDs in line.

    • rembodler says:

      @Elaine
      I think it is a woman above who needs your magic reading glasses. Somehow she has her Crystal ball to tell her that there is no chemistry between the Anon and his SB.
      I guess you can have amazing time without any chemistry whatsoever. Who would have thought…

      • elaine says:

        Yep @Rem, I have reading glasses, and you know what?
        I also USE them! Take my advice and start using them too, a new world opens up at the moment you can actually read what people write, instead of GUESSING all the time :-)

        Cheers

    • Anonymous says:

      If the guy had $3,000/meet instead of $300/meet most of the bloggers would have their panties wet.

    • SD says:

      Boys ,we must do the math for our ladies here to avoid being called a John. You “meant” you paid your SB $1200 /month allowance–BAM ! you’re an SD !! Rather than $300/meet(assm per week) = John.

      • elaine says:

        I think the difference lays between paying $300 for a “pump and dump” VS mutual agreeing on paying a fixed allowance per week (for whatever reason) in a regular arrangement.

      • rembodler says:

        I always pay the allowance on a P4P basis, but since we meet once a week, that becomes weekly. The deal is reassessed on a monthly basis where a gent can either renew or opt out.
        If you want a deal to last longer then that, it is called marriage.

      • Anonymous says:

        I like the pump and dump plan . There’s something sexy about a beautiful girl walking around all day with my juices flowing from her. She can remember the good time we had . And my DNA is on a search mission in her tubes and ovaries. Maybe she will make my baby which will be a lifelong reminder of the fun we had .

      • AnonymousBae says:

        This Rembodler guy is not a SD and probably will never be. He came here first with the attitude of p4p (which doesn’t exist by the way as an expectation on SA) and will stay that way for a long, long time. He has claimed many victims already because of his pump and dump attitude.

      • Ms. Zee88 says:

        Wow..now I know the guy I was with for 3 months wasn’t really a SD he was a fucking “John”….that explains why he left me after I finally asked for my car that he promised the whole time we were together…..that’s crazy. I love that advice

      • noname says:

        zee88 if he promised you a car that should have been a reg flag for you no one will offer a car right at the beginning of a arrangement it takes time and trust before you get the big ticket items but at least you learned i hope you didn’t get hurt to bad from this experience

    • LoverBabyyy says:

      I mean so the more fun the SB is willing to have to more the SD would be willing to spend ??

  50. elaine says:

    Ok, here last update #2 American pot.

    The conversation:

    He: Hi, needless to say, I find your profile fascinating. You almost seem to good to be true… I’m going to be in xxxxx . If my profile interests you, perhaps we should make plans to meet up?

    Me: Hi xxxxx, nice profile! Seems we might have some things in common……bla bla bla……., I think we could get along quite well 😉

    After having send my private pics.

    He: I’d be thrilled to meet you, so please let me know if you’re free during my time in xxxxx …bla ..bla bla…
    My real email is xxxxxx (his personal mail, so I could easily trace him on Google, he is real)

    Me: Yes probably I could free myself that period….bla bla bla …….What would you expect from such meet?

    He: I’d like to meet and have some low-pressure time where we can talk and see how we get along….bla..bla..bla… If that sounds good to you, let me know what you require for such a meeting.

    Me: I could come over to xxxxx and we could have dinner to see if there is a “click”. If not, well, we will have had a nice dinner and that is it. If we want both more, ok.
    I never require anything for a first meet , but in this particular situation I will not be able to return home after dinner (because 4 hours travelling and he knew) , and so I would want a hotelroom and my travel costs reimbursed. If we would decide we want both more, I would want an allowance, so we should discuss that.

    POOFFFFFFFFF……..

    CONCLUSION: As I already suspected, US pot’s don’t work for me.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Elaine
      Probably once you told him you are 8.9 tall, the poor thing decided to run for his dear life. Or maybe u told him you are only 4km away. Or maybe you converted £ to $ and told him 8000… We all know how good you are with numbers.

      • elaine says:

        No dear, he had read my profile.
        My height is mentioned there in the correct way.
        (But ok,.. an American probably doesn’t have clue what 1.76m stands for….)

        I didn’t mention any km’s. HE proposed to meet at 400 km distance from my profile location.
        I didn’t mention any allowance either, but that is to be found in my profile and as he states that “most people are impressed by his lifestyle” I suppose that wasn’t the problem.

        After all, it was an interesting test to see if my prejudices about US daddies came true.
        They did.

        Oh, btw one mistake by converting cm to inches doesn’t mean someone is bad with numbers.
        But if this going to be a running gag, be my guest. I can appreciate a good laugh. :-)

      • Kore says:

        @Anon Petty of you to attack her on the basis of just one mistake. If Elaine’s bad at numbers, you’re probably terrible at attracting women.

        Do you think that insulting women will make it easier for you to score pussy? You don’t think with your brain. You don’t think with your dick either.. I don’t think you think at all. What are you good for?

      • elaine says:

        @Kore

        Thank you for jumping in, but it doesn’t insult me at all.
        The reactions I get from some “SDs” here are just highly amusing me.

        Because it exposes a lot about them, and nothing about me. 😉

      • Kore says:

        @Elaine Did you end up meeting with the first one though? You left off where both of you didn’t find a suitable time, but maybe there’s still a chance or did you stop contact after that?

        Admittedly, I think that U.S. Americans are childlike. With all the postives and negatives that come with it.

      • Kore says:

        It’s not about you having taken insult. I would’ve been surprised if you would have. :)

        It’s just the shit that some men think they can get away with doing. For example (I don’t know if it’s a German thing with the younger generation), when I went to clubs with my partners, random assholes would come up to me and ask why I was with them. They insult my taste in men and think that it makes them attractive. They crave pussy, but they think that treating women badly will attract it?

        My last answer, btw, was that my bf has a big dick. 😀 You should’ve seen the looks on their faces and they promptly got up and walked away. Priceless! 😀

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore you forgot to accuse him of having a small dick. That is a must.

        Who else do you refer to as Americans other than “U.S. Americans”?

      • Kore says:

        Come on, Anon, it wasn’t an insult. Don’t get sensitive on me now. They asked me a rude question, and I’d had a couple of beers and forgot how to be politely dishonest. In vino veritas.

        Would you prefer that women walk around not being proud of their partners?

      • elaine says:

        @Kore

        Well, that was the weird thing.

        He was about to make a lot of km’s, time and effort to come see me on Sunday. But I couldn’t organize at such short notice.
        Then on Wednesday I had to make a one day visit to his city and I adviced him, but then he couldn’t make it.

        And then he cancelled his profile and disappeared.

      • Kore says:

        Let’s see.. It’s as simple as this. It’s mostly U.S. Americans who refer to themselves as “Americans.” Chilean people don’t and neither do Greenlanders, despite geographically being a part of N. and S. America respectively. This just because “United Statians” doesn’t sound that great. If you learn a foreign language, you get used to differentiating. That’s all.

      • elaine says:

        @Kore

        “They insult my taste in men and think that it makes them attractive.”

        Isn’t that what losers learn from Julian Blanc? LOL

      • Kore says:

        Was supposed to be Greenland first then Chile. Haha. 😛

      • Kore says:

        @Elaine Oh, sorry, missed that part. Oh well. Too bad you didn’t exchange numbers. would’ve liked to know how the story would’ve turned out.

        I saw a few of that guy’s videos a long time ago… Crazy, how desperation will make the stupid stoop to an even lower level of stupidity.

      • Anonymous says:

        My small dick comment was related to your response to another @Anon. I typed it before reading your story from the club.

        But interestingly your referenced big dick in your other situation.

        It goes to show how nonchalant women are about insulting men about their penis without the slightest of knowledge of their dick size.

      • Kore says:

        Which post about dick size? I will never insult someone about something they can’t change or have no control over. This includes penis size.

        Only the micro penis actually bothers me. Maybe that’s because of evolutionary instinct. Perhaps the same way men wouldn’t find the most attractive girls as those with a flat chest, 1.0 hip/waist ratio and an extremely huge clit.

        I have my sexual preferences like any one else out there, but it doesn’t mean I think any less of the people who don’t match. If you’re not my cup of tea, you’re someone else’s.

      • Anonymous says:

        The micro penis is in fact an enlarged clitoris @Kore.

    • rembodler says:

      No, she probably told him she can meet 5-11…so, Elaine, he will be back in May…;)).
      Or maybe he knows in Europe dates are reversed and he thought she is 24?
      I blame the dumb American pot…

      • elaine says:

        @Rem

        Again lost your reading glasses luv’?
        I know, with age come some physical inconveniences…..
        But when you find them back, you can check my first post.

        Because apart from some small talk, the whole conversation is to be found there.
        Also HIS proposal of dates. :-)

        And you know what? Believe it or not, but my age is in my profile!
        Surprising fact, eh?

    • noname says:

      no offence but where do you normally look for men

      • elaine says:

        @noname

        In Europe, though I have had two LD arrangements with men on other continents.

        But never Americans.
        The times I have been talking to US pot’s, they have always wasted my time and poofed.

      • noname says:

        ok elaine thanks for sharing that with me europe has a different culture than america so yes the men will behave differently im sorry it didn’t work out for you in america but im sure you will find someone worthy of your attention good luck in your search

      • elaine says:

        @Noname

        Thanks, but I am already in a LT (but non exclusive) arrangement, so I am not really searching. I only keep my profile up “just in case”. 😉

        Those US guys are at the moment in Europe, they are young and attractive, so I just gave it a shot and responded on their messages.

        It was a nice occasion to understand the differences with the men I normally meet and yes, confirmed; there are differences!

      • noname says:

        elaine its good you have a LT arangement and i don’t blame you for trying nothing ventured nothing gained but as you said above it didn’t work out too well so may i ask do you present yourself as a sugar baby or a mistress those are 2 diffrent things in my mind one is much better than the other im going to stop posting im tired and making mistakes

      • elaine says:

        @Noname

        C’mon…. I’m 45….me an SB?! Now THAT would be ridiculous! LOL
        SB/SD would implement an age gap, and I happen to not like men more than 5 -10 years older.
        Actual SD is 10 years younger, so should I call him “daddy” or should he call me “mummy”? LOL.

        No (name) I am the mistress of married, wealthy men. Sometimes called “kept woman”.
        My arrangements are LT, LD, most of the times non exclusive and with successful men in my own age group.
        Based upon intimacy, intellectual challenging, friendship and confidence. Guess I must be the only one here who gets her allowance at the end of the month. 😉

        Since there is not really a site for what me and my “benefactors” are looking for, we are on SA.

        Since this reality is a little diverse from the traditional SB/SD arrangements, some here get pissed off by my posts, because they are too narrow minded to understand sugar has many faces.
        They think I am trying to ruin their $200 p4p.”market”.

        But the ones who know me better, know that I put a lot offer efforts in my relationships and always put my SD at the first place in a way most young SBs would never do. It is hard “work”, sometimes, putting yourself always aside.
        But yes, I get benefits that most young SBs would never get and I love this lifestyle. I am not in it because I have to, but because I like it and don’t want a man “for myself”.

        And by posting here I try to counterbalance a bit between the 2 extremes of sugar. :-)

      • noname says:

        elaine thats what i thought thanks for confirming that for me well ive seen ladies 40 and up call them selves SB’s and ive been msg by a 64 year old even though i have 18 to 30 is what im looking for on my profile don’t get me wrong i won’t turn away a older lady because shes over a certain age i just won’t see her because my search limits won’t show her i do like the idea of a kept women but im in a arrangement now so im not looking well i agree you certainly keep the others on their toes including me but thats ok ill just need to think more before posting im not good at this

  51. Anonymous says:

    Hashed texting is totally hosed now. I am only going to use it for phone for right now until the credits expire.

    Has anyone use Text+ or Next+…

    Good, bad and the ugly please?

    • Anonymous says:

      I’ve been using Google Voice for voice and texting. Any reasons to avoid that? The only issue is that you can’t send/receive photos using the texting client on iPhone, but can using email-to-text.

  52. HawaiiCocoa says:

    I am totally new to this site… There’s a guy visiting my area and wants to get together for an evening of sexual play… Does anyone have any suggestions on an arrangement amount?

    • Anonymous says:

      $100/meeting should be good.

    • Anonymous says:

      Hold out for $15000.00 for a platonic dinner.

    • Anonymous says:

      If he offers $300 then take your sister along.

    • Anonymous says:

      For $1,000 you, your sisters and your cousins give him the night he will never forget.

    • Cryptic Anomaly says:

      I won’t play for anything less than $1,000 a night. I will accept payment in cash, upfront thank you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t listen to these trolls. Do not do per meets, unless that is what you’re into. It’s not really a sb/sd relationship. An arrangement should have a touch of chemistry to it along with an allowance which you can calculate based on your needs/desires. Make him pay upfront, because he can always leave the next day. Good luck!

      • Bartolo says:

        Who cares what it “really” is. Two consenting adults can do whatever they like. There is not “standard” donation, however. It’s a transaction where the two consenting adults should both end up happy and satisfied.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      As long as there are “Sales Professionals” to service them there will always be Johns on this site. That is not an arrangement.

    • Kore says:

      Sorry, HawaiiCocoa, no I don’t. Just don’t meet with someone disrespectful and try to understand the reasons behind why a SD offers what he does.

      To all you Anons.. Do I need to remind any of you that you’re on SA, paying women to be around you? 😉

    • Kore says:

      Sorry, HawaiiCocoa, no I don’t. Just don’t meet with someone disrespectful and try to understand the reasons behind why a SD offers what he does.

      To all you Anons.. Do I need to remind any of you that you’re on SA, paying women to be around you? 😉

    • clea says:

      @HawaiiCocoa lol Man oh man! Is he attractive at least? Make sure to inform someone of your whereabouts and make sure to use protection if you do decide on doing it. Do you get a nice dinner at least? Or did you fall for the Netflix and Chill line?

    • clea says:

      Honestly, Hawaii you should let him suggest an amount, but if you feel it’s too low, you can decline, ask for more, or not go through with the arrangement at all!

      But to be real, it sounds like he just wants to smash and dash. You don’t want to be rode hard, and put away wet and penniless…Do you?

    • THEATLSD says:

      Another drive by poster. The rule should be one person responds if the poster does respond in kind. Everyone justs moves on.

    • IndianaSB says:

      Check out your local backpage girls and see what the other prostitutes are charging.

    • The Prophet says:

      Let him pick up the tab for dinner and drinks. All else is the teat run. No charge.
      If you both like it, and want to continue, have the allowance talk.

  53. cryptic anomaly says:

    Quote of the month goes to one of the many Anonymous’

    “Don’t poop on people”.

    That will make me laugh for a while and of course it is quite true, never poop on people.

  54. Dovetail says:

    Wonders what Anon actually knows about BDSM, considering that there are far more interesting and far less distasteful fetishes. Then again, maybe you’re just trying to get reactions.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      50 Shades of Grey opened the world up to a lot of people who really shouldn’t be anywhere near it.

      • Dovetail says:

        I actually have a “If you’re a 50 Shades coat tale rider there’s a special place in hell for you” line in my full profile.

      • Anonymous says:

        i have a bag with a collar, anal hook, restraints, paddles and floggers

      • Dovetail says:

        I assume a training collar. You had damn well better make that clear, as collars can carry heavy significance, much like branding. Collars are the equivalent to some of the wedding ring, and I know people who have done full collaring ceremonies in which the collar is permanently placed,ones that once it is on the only way to get it off is to cut it off. and some go so far as to buy them in titanium so as to ensure that they cannot be cut through.

      • Dovetail says:

        The point is, if you give a collar, you had better clearly state that it is a training collar. Might I suggest weighted, magnetized ben-wa?

      • Anonymous says:

        yes, training collar, it is really handy for attaching the hook too

      • Anonymous says:

        to*

    • Anonymous says:

      The anon that posted the question, me is not into it and believes most fetishes don’t happen. The chances of finding another person to do anything kinky is too remote as anyone who has ever ventured on to alt or Fet life will concur, these fantasies never leave your head. Now they do happen in the developing world where producers pay people to do it, but these people live in tarpaulin shacks so they are up for anything as they eke out an existence in poverty.

      • Dovetail says:

        Whoah buddy not true. There are fetishes out there to DO happen. Considering that M. creates his own toys I think I can prove you wrong. Though I am unsure of the black silk and clawed violet wand glove…

      • Anonymous says:

        I do bimboism and sissy training if you will (pegging). Check it out.

  55. Dovetail says:

    It’s a hard limit for me.

    • Anonymous says:

      Scat fetish is just so disgusting. What is wrong with these people? You have to be seriously fucked up in the head to find that erotic and sexy. Nasty.

      • Dovetail says:

        SOME things probably never happen, or are rare enough it’s like seeing a lion in downtown Chicago. But, that does not mean that the broad spectrum is void.

      • Anonymous says:

        ive seen a scat video years and years ago on vhs, friend owned a video store, id rather watch a crime than see that type of video again

      • Anonymous says:

        Easy for you to say.

        I find titanium collar to be highly offensive.

      • Dovetail says:

        Haha anyone sane would find that damn collar offensive.

      • Anonymous says:

        There are many pages out there dedicated to it, with pics and all. You should check em out.

  56. Anonymous says:

    How many of you would be pissed or crapped on for free, purely sexual kink? How many would do it for $20000.00?
    How many would decline?

  57. Promise says:

    I wonder what the girl in the picture is thinking?
    Does she look sleepy to anyone else?

    • Anonymous says:

      She’s thinking how many of my IG followers are stupid, er generous enough to pay $10.00 towards my baby fund.

      • Anonymous says:

        She is typing on her SA profile:
        “Looking for a RICH sugar daddy! Willing to send some nudes for a generous monthly allowance. No salt please. I know my worth and I deserve to be treated like the princess I am!”

      • Anonymous says:

        So much better than mine, you are talented that sounds so life like.
        No wait, that is what most profiles say! No sarcasm is intended.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      She’s thinking “When is my online SD going to finish himself so I can put some clothes on, it’s cold here”.

  58. Anonymous says:

    A Daddy wants to hire me as his PA. Should I accept, or is it better to counterfeit an allowance instead? Thinking long-term, things could get complicated in the workplace, even though he isn’t married.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      “counterfeit an allowance”

      Forget being an SB! Go on Tumblr/Instagram and charge the sugar babies a fee to learn how to do the same thing.

    • Promise says:

      I had a POT like that a few months ago. Ultimately I said no because I just didn’t want to have to depend on him so much.

      • Anonymous says:

        I agree, getting hired would mean that I would pretty much depend on him and a single mistake (as a SB) or maybe boredom and I am out. Plus it can complicate things in the long run, because of other employees noticing etc.

    • Anonymous says:

      I say go for it. Then you have the SD by the balls. Sue the motherfucker for sexual harassment and make millions!

  59. AnonymousBaby says:

    The real question is how many arrangements have taken place on SA? Yes there are millions of people using SA, however with the problems this site has created (so they can somehow get Daddies to be on P.A) I’ll be surprised if there are any arrangements at all. It’ll be like A.M where most of the men didn’t get any action at all (except for different reasons, of course).

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      Not counting P4P and one off meets, I would suspect very few ongoing arrangements are made on here. I am so skeptical that I would have to bring the time frame down to a month to see many “Arrangements” at all.

      • AnonymousBaby says:

        Looks like it takes a while here on SA. What sets SA apart from other dating sites is not just all the publicity this site gets compared to other dating sites of its kind, SA doesn’t have an outdated look and “feel” to it (like other arrangement sites), it’s easy to use, they have the “lifestyle budget” thing, but it takes way too much of one’s time. Plus they clearly accept hookers/pros/johns on the site simply to gain more members, they should focus on quality Babies and Daddies.

      • IHF2030 says:

        Quality sugarbabies you say? Oh my, what a concept.

      • Anonymous says:

        So AnonymousBaby, what makes you a quality SB? What is a quality SB? What your definition of a hooker and john? What arrangement are you looking for?

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @ cryptic anomaly: I say less than 10% actual arrangements take place.

      • AnonymousBaby says:

        @Anonymous What makes me a quality SB? 1) I genuinely like older guys 2) I am in good/great shape (I’m very feminine,but not plastic) 3) I did go to college (but had to drop out for monetary reasons 4)I have a flexible job 5)I speak 3 languages and learning 1 more 5) I am well dressed, always a lady in public and the interior beauty matches the exterior.
        Arrangement I’m looking for? Mutual chemistry, preferably with someone who’s at least 40 y.o, dinner, travel, intimacy, whatever we both agree on or feel like doing. Yep, that’s it. (Lifestyle budget “practical”).

      • AnonymousBaby says:

        @Anonymous hooker? Someone who sleeps with guys for money and there’s no emotional connection involved; sleeping with lots of guys for money for whatever reason it might be. A “john” guy seeking physical “release” and pay prostitutes for sexual ongoing encounters (the johns too have no emotional feelings when it comes to sex with pros). By the way, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with prostitution. As long as there’s no human trafficking involved, no children involved, and the prostitutes do it willingly (no pimps) then who am I to judge?

      • Anonymous says:

        AnonymousBaby, how old are you? Out of ten what are you? What’s the lowest number guy out of ten would you be intimate with?

      • Anonymous says:

        You might as well ask her about her dad’s cousin’s baby mama.

    • noname says:

      are there millions using the site i would think many would open a account and find getting a sugar baby is not as easy as SA claims its all about keeping those fake numbers up

  60. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Anon “The fact that you do not pay upfront, but the SD must deliver on her part, and trust you before you trust her, especially since you equate trust with panties hitting the floor, means that you too, can scam a SB just like a scammer did to Attica. Nobody in their right mind would accept this, unless they were too desperate. Don’t take it personally, I am sure you’re not a scammer, but you can’t be sure of everybody else. There are guys out there who do this.”

    Is the SB a Hooker or a SB? Hookers get paid upfront and it is quite tacky and impersonal. If the only reason the SB is sleeping with the SD is money than she is a hooker and makes her SD become a John who will no doubt pick up on this and treat said SB like a hooker.

    If the only reason the SD/SB is doing this is Sex/Money than anything other than that will always be a loss to that person. I invest a lot of time into getting to know my SB and making sure she gets to know me, there is a comfort factor involved and many of the SB’s I have met have told me they do not want money upfront or in fact to even talk about the cash. One just wanted weekly deposits into her account and we never spoke about the money at all.

    As a blogger on here by the moniker Sunshine Serenity said she only sleeps with Pot SD’s she likes, so if they don’t come through it’s not a loss for her as she enjoyed it anyway. I think SB’s should adopt this rather than worry about the money as being their primary focus, do you like the guy? Has he treated you well, do you get along with each other? If you would do him for free than what is the big deal, if you wouldn’t then maybe you should consider being a hooker?

    I know people get ripped off on here but if they were more patient and less free with the Cash or Pussy than maybe it wouldn’t be that way?

    • Anonymous says:

      Is the SB a Hooker or a SB? Hookers get paid upfront and it is quite tacky and impersonal. If the only reason the SB is sleeping with the SD is money than she is a hooker and makes her SD become a John who will no doubt pick up on this and treat said SB like a hooker.

      You sound like you’d like taking advantage of a SB. If the reason for doing this isn’t Sex/Money then why should you expect sex upfront?!
      Can’t have it both ways. The best way is to give the allowance when the SB is delivering her part of the deal. All other than that are scams.
      Enjoyment is a different thing, which means different things to different people. People shouldn’t come here with the expectation that they’re going to find a 35 year old hot body multimillionaire.

      If you would do him for free than what is the big deal, if you wouldn’t then maybe you should consider being a hooker?

      Why would a SB do it for free? She would not be in SA for once, and she would probably be in a regular, normal relationship. This is an ARRANGEMENT. Fundude explains it well. You make up for the shortcomings. If you’re old, bald, fat, unattractive and awkward you’ll have to pay it up. No rich handsome prince is waiting here for the SBs.

  61. Anonymous says:

    Random question:
    What is the highest allowance you have ever gifted or been given?

    • Jaybird923 says:

      What a silly question. No one receives or gives more than minimal on this blog :-))

    • NotASaltDaddy says:

      10,000 for a platonic
      I am not a Salt Daddy…

    • Anonymous says:

      $2300.00.

      I am so salty, no where near $10000.00 and it wasn’t platonic. The shame I feel.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        There, there no need to feel ashamed you didn’t know any better.

      • Anonymous says:

        I wasn’t aware of Anon’s secret agenda, that guys should experience financial domination, be scammed with fake advances, have platonic arrangements, even to pay $10.00 to find out whether she is pregnant :-(

        First Rule of Skank Club
        That no potential SD can mention that girls scam or rinse, as that is trash gutter talk where genuine SD’s belong.
        Second Rule of Skank Club
        Never mention reality, just keep to fairy stories.

      • rembodler says:

        $2500 for 4 four hour dates each Saturday.
        That was long ago, I just started up, I was naive…
        On a related subject, I always trust more what a SD says. Simply because you can equally brag about your money or “chicks for free”.
        An SB who openly says she got anything less then 1k/date will be labeled a cheap ho by “SB”s, so the peer pressure to use a higher number will skew the poll…

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        $6,000 a month plus dinners, lingerie, shopping etc. There wasn’t any time limits and she was virtually at my beck and call and I was contactable when she wanted as well which was often. A genuine connection and affection for each other. She was a proper SB, very rare now days.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        “An SB who openly says she got anything less then 1k/date will be labeled a cheap ho by “SB”s, so the peer pressure to use a higher number will skew the poll…”

        @Remmy you’re right! No more peer pressure for me! The most I’ve received was a happy meal and a bus token. Usually they don’t let me get a meal just tap water but he was a real SD…

      • rembodler says:

        @Jay
        See…Jay, u obviously are joking. The same if I were to say, I got her a Slurpy at McD and a ride home….
        Saying you got 250 for overnite (which I am sure is a lot less uncommon than the blog SB make it sound) is a totally different story…

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Remmy How do you know I’m joking. I could be telling the truth.

        [https://youtu.be/bPLvd54wfaI?t=42s]

      • rembodler says:

        @Jay.
        me too, telling the truth…
        Well, in a matter of full disclosure, in addition to a Slurpy (she was 19, so no alcohol in public) and a ride home, I also gave her $250 for overnight.
        And I took her to American Eagle where she got a few items.
        She was very pleased… We are still good friends.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Remmy Sounds perfectly fine to me. As long as both parties are happy and satisfied with their arrangements that’s all that matters. Do what works for you and stop trying to construct your arrangements around what worked for some else.

        That is my unsolicited advice to those who base there allowance amounts off of what other people are giving and receiving.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        * Their allowance…”

    • THEATLSD says:

      $50.00 gift card to Home Depot.

    • noname says:

      my allowances consists of cash gifts and entertainment are extra so my highest was 8000 a month but she wasn’t my favorite one my favorite SB was 3000 a month she was wonderful i still miss her

      • Anonymous says:

        So if she wasn’t your favorite one, why did you give her 8k, instead of the 3k Sb one? Maybe you were persuaded…or maybe she was hot, but her personality sucked. Who knows..

      • noname says:

        anon she wasn’t my favorite because she didn’t make me feel happy i knew why she wanted me and she didn’t pretend there was any other reason for being with me but she was a 10 very beautiful so i put up with it thats how i learned more money doesn’t lead to a better sugar experience

    • Anonymous says:

      The highest I have ever done is $1200 a month

  62. SexyRockstar says:

    I miss Lainey.
    I miss posting on here regularly.
    ….
    But, life, ya know? Plus, drummer and i are doing amazing, and with these new sugar baby wanna be bitches….I can’t stand it. Blah

    • Anonymous says:

      Lainey was a fat, fugly bully. Not missing her!

    • Anonymous says:

      No one ever asks but every time you post you feel the need to tell us how amazing you and Drummer are doing. Who are you trying to convince us or yourself?

      • THEATLSD says:

        What’s wrong with that. Sexy has success and was sharing it with us. She put herself out for a lot people.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Sexy

      I miss @Lainey as well.

      By the way, did you take @Kenna as fake?

    • SexyRockstar says:

      Because people ask me via email. People from this blog.
      Sssooo, that’s why.

      And Lainey is a very, very pretty girl.

      I’ve talked to Kenna off blog multiple times. Lainey wasn’t the only one who called her a fake. Kennas story kept changing, and we all caught her on the blog posting as someone else.
      Do i think she is getting married? Sure.
      Do i think her pregnancy is real?
      No.
      Do I think her sugar stories are real?
      Yes, but exaggerated.

  63. Anonymous says:

    $300 to appear on TV?

    That’s the lowest of the low as far as lifestyle expectations… whatever happened to $10,000?

    Or is SA merely “generous” with SD’s money and not their own?

  64. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Kore “Just wondering since I didn’t get an answer to a previous post.

    I agree, sex can’t be taken back, but money can. So has an SD paid up front and then gotten his money back after the paid SB didn’t deliver?”

    People get conned when they expect something for nothing, something that is too good to be true or simply when they are being impatient and/or naive.

    The basic rules of Sugar for SD’s have been posted a few times. If you follow them it will make it virtually impossible to get ripped off. The key is to take time, to state what you want and are offering during the messaging stage, you actually want to make it difficult as it will put off the scammers and rinsers. I think a lot of men think with their little brain and go in full bore thinking if they spend big then the Playmate Lookalike will fuck them, it’s not going to work that way. The more you spend the more they will want.

    Spend time together and get to know each other. I have never been ripped off as I am willing to walk away at any point, I never get caught up in the “Oh, she is sooo hot and young” mindset.

    I don’t pay upfront either, that is something you do with hookers, SB’s aren’t hookers of course. But by the stage that we make it to the bedroom trust and connection has been formed and she has already been spoiled a little too so it’s not an issue and of course I want to see her again so I am not about to rip her off either and she likes me anyway so she isn’t thinking along the lines of “I better get paid or this is a waste of time for me”.

    • Anonymous says:

      The fact that you do not pay upfront, but the SD must deliver on her part, and trust you before you trust her, especially since you equate trust with panties hitting the floor, means that you too, can scam a SB just like a scammer did to Attica. Nobody in their right mind would accept this, unless they were too desperate. Don’t take it personally, I am sure you’re not a scammer, but you can’t be sure of everybody else. There are guys out there who do this.

  65. MissLady says:

    So this explains why they have average looking chicks on these shows on behalf of SA

    “Hello gorgeous! Are you a successful Sugar Baby? We want you to come on a national talk show in LA to speak about your Sugar experiences. This will be a great opportunity for exposure, and we can pay you $300 for appearing.”

    Really?!??!?

  66. MissLady says:

    lmao @ YGBKM and ATL re Kenna. Sorry it was too much scrolling to pick up the thread…

    • Anonymous says:

      Thanks for bringing up Y’s post. Just read it. I’m genuinely curious now: I’d like to hear what solid evidence there is that she was a fake.

      Apparently I missed out on the catfight among the blog comment ladies a few months ago when I was busy in real life. Before my absence, IIRC, everyone (except for Lainey) was quite cordial and supportive towards Kenna.

      • elaine says:

        Believe me, there is a lot of evidence against Kenna to be found on the net.

        And I have to admit I was originally among the ones who believed she was true.
        Now, thinking back and knowing the true story, I see how I have neglected “evidence” she has provided herself directly to me. And the puzzle fell together.

        What I am still wondering about is how on earth people could believe Lainey was real.
        Her blog posts were so contradictory and obvious pure fantasy.

    • Anonymous says:

      There’s no evidence. If there were any it would’ve been provided already. These people just want to stir shit to distract from other threads.

    • MissLady says:

      Sorry, you’re under anon, so I don’t have a frame of reference for whatever ID you may have been using back then.

      • Anonymous says:

        I prefer the objective truth, not the reconstructed memory based on observer’s frame of reference.

    • MissLady says:

      Again Anon, we’re stating ours under our ID’s and not afraid to do so. So when you decide to not be a troll and defend the liar under your ID, then maybe we can talk. Or do you not want to be identified as a sucker like Y pointed out??

  67. Anonymous says:

    The supply and demand of pussy.

    If men desired pussy as much as women desire dick…then there won’t be much shortage of pussy. But this is what has been happening.

    Every man wants to fuck 10 women…quantity trumps quality.

    Every 10 women want to fuck the same man that their groupthink has declared to be desirable.

    All of a sudden the ratio is 1:100 against men.

    Now don’t get hung up on the 1:100 or, every man desiring 10 women and every 10 women desiring 1 man. These numbers were used to exaggerate and illustrate. Use your own fudge factors to come up with perceived demand of pussy.

    That’s a good thing for women. Otherwise most women will go hungry.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      One of the things I have noticed about women is that regardless of how much they might like a man very few will actively pursue him. By that I mean make an approach and talk to him. Sure, they might make eyes at him and dress and act provocatively but they won’t give up their power position of being the one that gets chased. This works for them and against them of course as a lot of the nice guys are shy types so they end up with the bad boys who will make the approach and then pump and dump.

      So the point is women will sacrifice what they want in order to maintain that power position. Unless it’s SA and they want money, then women will approach men all the time.

      • Attica M says:

        could it be that way or are we just conditioned to expect to be chased. no one told me i had any power, let alone over someone else in the context of dating.

        specially when i knew the odds were against me anyway for being who i was. however, this is what brought me to change, i literally have nothing to lose and being humbled by rejection makes me more comfortable to approach men. ( have seen many messages to many people on here)

        women, i suppose, arent used to being rejected or are too afraid to. and then dont know how to react once it happens. thats life though. women should study stoics and stoicism.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        @Attica – Yeah women don’t deal with rejection very well at all. That is why a lot of men will get the woman to do the breaking up lol

        I think women are conditioned to make the man do the chasing, one area that FemiFacists don’t try changing. It is a type of power but as mentioned if the guy you like doesn’t approach than it’s pointless.

        Rejection isn’t a big deal, it hurts the first few times but you find men will develop an attitude of “It’s her loss” and sometimes it really is.

      • IHF2030 says:

        Out here, in the real world, in Canada-America combined there are three million more single white women than single white men. So, quality single Caucasian cats are in scarce supply and subsequent high demand for sugar and actual real life dating.

      • PrettyLittleBeggars says:

        Rejection isn’t a big deal, but betrayal is the worst and women seem to betray men way more than men betray women..how? Most guys might lie that they are in love so they are mostly just liars and unfaithful, but women will ditch loving relationships with faithful guys because after they ‘get everything they wanted’ they get bored, change their outlook, complain and start cheating on Mr. Faithful

        Guys on here don’t know you can save your money and just date cheating wives for free

      • Anonymous says:

        Wasn’t that Ashley Madison’s bogus selling point?

      • Anonymous says:

        this guy knows that…..cheating wives is my wheelhouse

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @IHF
        [http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55205802.jpg]

      • Kore says:

        @Cryptic But not every guy is as good at reading between the lines as the typical woman. I think some men just don’t realize how women flirt. What the intention of that flirting is, though, it anyone’s guess. Some women just want the ego kick of receiving attention (especially from men who are more desirable, incl. those who already have girlfriends) or being able to successfully manipulate.

        @Attica I think society has brainwashed women into thinking that much from a man can be seen as abuse and that we fall prey easily or are victims of situations involving men. Just because an interaction is not ideal. (For some women, the the difference between an insult and a compliment is just the way a guy looks.) If you approach the world as a victim, you think that every man has power over you. Then, @cryptic, some women try to overcompensate and act like they are the ones who have power, even at times when it’s not neccessary.

        Society tells a woman that if something bad happens to her, it’s ok to choose (when it’s a choice) suffering and call yourself a victim. Do as many men sit in a corner and cry over their problems, dragging it out? Society tells them that they have to be strong and that it’s ok for women to be weak. The emotional damage could be the same for both.

      • Kore says:

        @Attica Yes, it’s probably even more insulting for a woman to get rejected than a man. It’s fun to watch. 😛

  68. Riviera Undercover says:

    Why are there so many time wasters? She asked for email and never emailed. She then asked for my number but never texted or messaged. My renew is down to it’s last few hours. Good bye SA for good…

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re not playing it right. Take it easy and renew. :)

    • Riviera Undercover says:

      SA marketing has flooded SA with undesirables so much that in the UK the platonic companions and findom’s now make 70% to 80% of all potential SB’s. Considering there were always potential SB’s who only wanted a rich young handsome stud, the few that were happy with an intimate arrangement only if you provided Arab playboy millionaire allowances has made SA redundant.

      • Anonymous says:

        What is wrong with Findoms I still do not understand?! Some guys have a fetish, you know.

      • Anonymous says:

        Of course there’s nothing wrong with condoms. You’d have problem with nymphs because they cheapen the market rate of pussy.

      • Anonymous says:

        *findoms NOT condoms…stupid autocorrect

      • Anonymous says:

        Findom’s feed off the mentally ill, this is not a fetish. Most guys that do participate steal. It is also very very small market that disgusts and repels the majority. So that is wrong with Findoms, but you like to encourage it and make it seem popular and normal like platonic arrangements. You disgust me!

      • Anonymous says:

        Are you shitting me? Next you’re going to say people who like piss, scat, bdsm are also mentally ill.

      • Anonymous says:

        Does a normal person eat shit or has sex with animals? The most famous porn star who had sex with animals had a mental illness.

        But troll away :-)

      • Anonymous says:

        I am not talking about animals, I am talking about fetishes. Yes, there are bimbos, and sissies. Check them out. Surgery addicts etc…

      • Anonymous says:

        Raceplay groups exist on Fetlife, do you know how many have had a raceplay experience? None! There are groups with 7000 guys and no women. They constantly troll for women, and the odd gay guy will appear and be rejected. There are tons of fetishes, but they are not real! Ask the guys in the bareback sluts groups how many he has barebacked? It’s like Killing Kittens, household name UK population 64 million, only less than a 1000, even 500 have been through the doors. Maybe you should live in the real world not fantasy land?

      • Kore says:

        “Next you’re going to say people who like piss, scat, bdsm are also mentally ill.”

        There have been mental illnesses associated with some fetishes. It depends on how socially acceptable these illnesses are. BDSM (softcore, nonbloody) is widely accepted since sexual power play is normal. Eating poop, OTOH, isn’t really smiled upon.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore So you mean that findom isn’t really accepted, but BDSM is?

      • Kore says:

        Where have I said that? It’s more acceptable, I think, for a person to get turned on by being used, being cuckhold, than by hammering nails into breasts like in some hardcore BDSM.

        I think, it’s how much these sexual activites go against our natural instinct. Take any extreme exaple, especially ones that are highly illegal and examine them, if you still don’t understand what I mean.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      Chances are she is just a flake who forgot or she is a spammer who just wanted your email address to spam later.

      As I have mentioned before the women on here are terrible when it comes to getting what they want. I just had one message me after 2 months, what does she say? “Hi, how are you?”

      Awesome quality here.

    • Anonymous says:

      And as we sit here alone
      Looking for a reason to go on

      [https://youtu.be/CRIR24UQmDQ]

  69. Riviera Undercover says:

    Lost in translation?

    I need someone that will take care of me, buy me nice things & treat me well. In return I will give you all the attention you desire. What’s a king without a Queen?

    Reality:

    I want to meet someone I can get to know over Skype. Someone I can speak to quite regularly, keep them company and make them happy. I’m at uni and I work full time so I’m not really looking to meet up with anyone. What are you looking for?

    • Attica M says:

      do you have an issue with women plainly putting that they want someone to buy them things?

      what if they put they arent looking for someone to buy them things?

      • Riviera Undercover says:

        You have already admitted you are not very bright, but how can I receive all the attention I desire and be treated like a King if we never meet? Even her email reply is a contradiction, wanting to meet without actually meeting? Keeping them company without meeting? Is this a philosophical conundrum?

      • Anonymous says:

        ROTFLMAO @ what Riviera wrote…

    • Dazed-SD says:

      I love these, “I am looking for a sugar daddy. I need money, great food, and good entertainment every now and then like a concert or a movie would be great. I am not open for any sexual intercourse. Strictly company and to make you look good. I am looking for a minimum of $500 per date. I am well worth your time and money.”

    • Riviera Undercover says:

      My membership will expire in 6 hours

      Princess
      why will it??

      Guys have to pay then have lot’s of girls demand to be Princesses….

      Princess
      hahahahaha well why come on here if you dont like it try POF ot something

  70. Anonymous says:

    Remember Bonny Prince Charles stating that he wanted to reincarnate as Camilla’s tampon ? Now that LOVING the vagina for you ! Oh those salacious Brits !

  71. AnonymousBaby says:

    Okay, let’s stop comparing p*ssy’s and discussing the different types of them there are, why not simply enjoy the vagina?? (for those of us who do).

  72. Anonymous says:

    More women have small boobs and/or crooked vaginas than men with small penis.

  73. Victoria says:

    How does a SB negotiate prices?? Meaning what kind of terminology is used?? When someone ask, What level of donation am I seeking??…How do I answer?

  74. Lee Everette says:

    Hey, new to the website aspect of this. Excited to try it out, feel free to contact me

  75. Kore says:

    Just wondering since I didn’t get an answer to a previous post.

    I agree, sex can’t be taken back, but money can. So has an SD paid up front and then gotten his money back after the paid SB didn’t deliver?

    • Anonymous says:

      Few self-respecting SD will come here and admit he got taken, even if done anonymously. It is probably more common than we think but I don’t any of them got their money back.

      • Kore says:

        Why feel that ashamed? I am pretty sure that almost all men feel/get rejected at least once in their lives. It’s no big secret and I automatically assume that unless you are a unicorn of a man, you have been rejected by a woman for whatever reason, even if it’s small. I know of a unicorn man (famous multimillionaire with a great body, under 32) who got rejected as well.

        I just wanted to know (I have seen men get ripped off countless times IRL to know that SA isn’t an acception) if things didn’t work out and SB and SD left on good terms. Espcially if money was returned on the first meet when it was a fail.

        @Bartolo Thanks for the reply.. But I haven’t understood clearly. Did you pay her the 300 and she still didn’t meet you?

      • Kore says:

        exception*

      • Anonymous says:

        Well, I have been taken about three times. One badly by a SB who was always been scarce to me, always wanting money, spending only about two hours with me, and then disappearing, no text, no replies, etc., I began to do some investigating, and found to my dismay she was a hooker and had a pimp. total damage in the thousands. This was several years ago.
        Another one, she was always in financial trouble, working two jobs, but very weird. Do not touch this or that, do not touch me in public, limited time for me, and then she was in distress. I advanced her $1K and then she disappeared for a month. When she finally contacted me again, she wanted more money.
        Last one was really good. She dangled the sex promise like a carrot. I gave her allowances for about three dates. When she finally agree to meet for sex, I reserved a room, and she stood me up. No replies to text messages or calls. About two weeks later, she contacted me, telling me her phone was stolen. Incredible.

        The little I have learned has been thanks to the unselfish sharing of others who post their experiences in these boards, and how they handle different situations, what to expect, how to negotiate, etc., but I am sure I still have a lot to learn.

      • Anonymous says:

        SA is now a den of iniquity, you will only get scammed, rinsed or conned. SA encourages it, as all guys are now paypigs.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @ Anonymous says:
        “SA is now a den of iniquity, you will only get scammed, rinsed or conned. SA encourages it, as all guys are now paypigs.”

        Amen! I am not looking for anyone right now but still have 3 months of membership left. Saw this SB profile saying she won’t be intimate. I called her out on it, saying she’s on the wrong site. She claimed that her body is important to her and she won’t sleep with just anyone. I told her good luck. What the f**k is going on here? Too many SBs with unrealistic expectations. They think if they hang out with you for 2 hours, SDs will shell out 300-500 bucks. What is their major malfunction?!

      • Anonymous says:

        @closedforbusiness there are platonic arrangements and guys out there who are so lonely that they want somebody to just hang out.

    • Bartolo says:

      I only got “taken” once . . . a 20 yr old who got me for $300 before we met. Excuses after that why she couldn’t meet . . . and she’s come back via email a few more times stating she wanted to meet, but always asking for $ first.

      She was easy to find on Facebook etc., and while I’m tempted to “out” her I don’t think I will. But no doubt she did not have good faith.

      This was almost 2 years ago; never again.

    • Bruce Wayne says:

      I got taken once. The woman said she got cold feet AFTER taking my allowance. She said she was in a tough situation and needed the money badly. She promised me should would pay me back. I was actually surprised that she paid 2/3 of it back, but not all of it. That was about 3 years ago.

      • Kore says:

        @Bruce Oh! Glad to hear that. Some is better than none. At least she tried.

      • Anonymous says:

        At least she paid. Maybe she really got cold feet, who knows. Probably needed some reassurance. I am sure that it is not easy for some women because of some men like cryptic who thinks sbs are sluts and that’s what the society thinks too, it is the norm. So it is pretty hard for them.

    • noname says:

      no i havn’t had this happen but once you hand the money over to the SB you can kiss the money good bye never give money you can’t afford to lose

      • elaine says:

        @Noname

        If you cannot afford money to lose, maybe you should not want to be in the sugarbowl? :-)

        Because in that case there probably is a lot more important things to spend it on as a SB.

      • Anonymous says:

        Agree with elaine. If you can’t afford to lose it, you should not be here. There is a lot of trial and error involved here but a true SD will chalk up the loss to “experience”. If I was making 750K a year, losing 300-500 to a serial first dater shouldn’t affect you much. But if you only make 75K a year…..

      • Kore says:

        @ noname People gamble with nondisposable income?

      • Anonymous says:

        I am sure that you are going to advise the same to SB, that is, there is a lot of “trial and error involved”…so don’t worry about giving it up without reciprocity?

      • noname says:

        well yes if you can’t afford the money you shouldn’t be in the sugar bowl its best if both sides exchange what they agree too at the same time so that no one loses

      • noname says:

        well elaine you are right if you can’t afford to lose the money you shouldn’t be here but having said that how many posters on here complained about being ripped off both sugar babies and daddies they couldn’t afford to lose thats why they are complaining i feel sorry for them no one likes to lose so i look at sugaring like investing not all investments pay off but those that do make everything worth while

      • Anonymous says:

        Elaine, no guy likes to be taken. The anger vents up inside, and eventually

        “If you let my cash go now, that’ll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don’t, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you”

      • PrettyLittleBeggars says:

        it’s just pussy guys – no reason to pay a cent for it.. plow it instead of pamperit. These women are getting screwed by some lying asshole ‘boyfriend’ and then they come on here to try to get money for nothing.. probably to support their drug habit when their dealer ‘boyfriend’ cuts them off and leaves them pregnant

        most women are complete lying garbage

      • Anonymous says:

        PrettyLittleBeggars fuck outta here you chauvinistic pig.

      • PrettyLittleBeggars says:

        too bad anon that the truth hurts.. keep brainwashing the fools while you are still young enough to matter

      • Kore says:

        @PrettyLittleBeggars

        What are you doing on SA? Making it harder for other men by scamming and traumatising SBs?

    • SailingIsFun says:

      I see no reason to pay upfront anything else then a small fee for transportation, or to show good will.
      Of course, some love spreading money. I remember back in the days of SecondLife, guys were buying currency to spend on virtual strips or hiring virtual escorts.

      • Anonymous says:

        I had an avatar of a stripper, and a guy tipped me. It was fun. It’s just a game, people spend money all the time on games. Look at facebook’s games.

    • IndianaSB says:

      I don’t think being burnt is a form of rejection as much as a lapse in judgment. This usually happens when you’re new and inexperienced. The rinsers know how to work men and are shameless in their quest for a quick buck. It’s hardly something to be ashamed about as these girls are master manipulators. It’s sob stories about a sick kid, the demand to prove yourself, or the temptation of sex.

      Set your rules and stay in your lane. Don’t let the hope of nailing some young cutie cloud your judgment and drain your wallet.

      • Anonymous says:

        These discussions are like a broken record. Nobody is reinventing the wheel here. Men and women have been doing this for eons. The quest for pussy and money is a timeless dance. Same shit different day. Women will give up pussy for nothing. Men will give up money for nothing. Yawn.

      • FormerAnon says:

        Not really “nice” or “caring” to say, but in many cases when the sob stories start it is time to close the wallet and move on. When one of the MAJOR factors of this site (especially for all of those “total NSA” SBs out there) is just that NSA….well when bring your personal life and your life issues into the arrangement that is strings/drama/feelings/caring ect.

        If you are running around stating NSA NSA NSA in your profile and “no drama” and “I like my personal space” or “I am not looking for anything long term” and all of the other “I will not really care about you when the money stops flowing” terms well that is a two way street so when your car starts breaking down, your rent is due, your power is getting cut off….please do not expect your NSA/No Drama/No Long Term/No Feelings/Personal Space Needed SD to rush to your aid and break out his wallet and cash.

        If you DEMAND all of that well then you should be EXPECTED to show up ready to have fun, not talk about your issues, not bring up all of YOUR drama (especially the drama that can go away with MONEY) and ready to be told no or “bye” when you start to bring it up. This goes triple for all of those “know your worth” “high and substantial” allowance SBs and the ones that have a closet full of purses that are meaningless to the power company, land lord, college bursar, aurt mechanic and care nothing about your “issues”

      • PrettyLittleBeggars says:

        just tell them “be a whore or do some chores”

  76. Anonymous says:

    There is an SB around me that had a profile this past summer. In her profile, she said she was looking for someone under 35 and hot. She now has a new profile with the caption “you do know what a sugar baby is right??”

    Let me guess – the younger hot dude didn’t want to provide an allowance for someone he could get for free – shocking!

    • Kore says:

      Stupid, sure, but what are the young, hot ones doing on SA if they don’t have something to offer that a regular boyfriend would not?

    • Anonymous says:

      The under 35 and hot SA members are the ones probably trolling for $100 meets. But hey pussy is pussy and any man will go anywhere to look for it.

      • Bruce Wayne says:

        I am sure if you are under 35, single and attractive on SA that you can fool a lot of women into sleeping for you for free. There is an endless supply of naive women on SA.

      • Anonymous says:

        Bruce, nope you can’t. The women will still opt for money.

  77. elaine says:

    Ok, we are always lectured about female lack of logic here.
    Now here is some brilliant examples of male logic:

    Accoording to his profile, this US based SD is looking for:
    “a petite, sweet young lady looking for a traditional SD/SB arrangement”. Offering “practical”
    So he starts messaging a 8.9 tall, Europe based 45 yo. “moderate”….

    Or this guy:
    70 yo, VERY extreme kinks, living at around 12 hours flying distance in a cheap pussy paradise, income $ 60k. So he messages a very distant, much younger, female who is seeking an allowance that would cover his complete income…

    Don’t know WHAT they are thinking, but yes, very logical indeed! 😉

    • Cryptic Anomaly says:

      I agree that some men can lack logic as well. Although depending on how they have their search parameters set they might just be copy and pasting messages to every female. Playing the numbers can be effective if you bother to look at where the women actually are or set your search to exclude women who are too far or unsuitable for other reasons.

      What’s 8.9 tall?

      • elaine says:

        @Cryptic

        No it was not random copy/paste messages.

        And I am tall 1.76 m, isn’t that 8.9 in US?
        In any case; very far from “petite”! 😉

      • noname says:

        elaine 1.76m is roughly 5′ 10 inches in imperial you are indeed tall if that is you 8.9 would be a giant not sure if there is anyone that tall

      • elaine says:

        @No Name,

        Haha, yes I am tall, but not THAT tall!

        Was mixed up with the diverse measures, I meant 5’9 instead of 8’9.
        Should have checked better. :-)

      • Kore says:

        @Elaine They call it, “thinking with the little head.” 😀 “Lack of logic,” is reserved for women, apparently. ^^

        Sure.. And I also noticed the contradiction that @Attica pointed out. On one hand, some SDs want a girl who isn’t an escort, on the other, they don’t want to wait long for intimacy. Especially when she is physically attractive to them, they are eager to take greater risks and invest more.

        Then there are examples I have from real life. SA isn’t the place with the most illogical men. ^^

      • Kore says:

        @Elaine You must be very pretty and turn a lot of heads with your height… Unless you live in NL. 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kore – From what I have noticed on here the only reason most of the men don’t want an escort is because they don’t want a woman who has been with hundreds of men. Again, a woman who will give it up quickly has probably been with many men anyway but that doesn’t factor into their equation.

      • Kore says:

        @Anon Ok, understandable. Especially here on SA.

        But for the record, what I personally follow: If I find a guy attractive, for sure, I will want sex with him soon after meeting him. This doesn’t mean I find every guy attractive or that I’ve had many sex partners. It doesn’t mean I’ve had very little sex either.

        I was under the impression that not wanting an escort meant that they didn’t want a girl who was in it only for the money.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Elaine

      This is what happens when you try to write a post with numbers. Stick with feelings and benefits.

      • elaine says:

        @Anon.
        Ok dear, next time I will not try to “translate” things anymore for the US bloggers here.
        Wondering how many of you would have known how tall 1.76 m. exactly is…

        @ Anon
        This 70 yo is not an US resident, and has a net worth under 0,5 million.
        And I seriously doubt in “Cheap Pussy Land” he will have to “spend a certain percentage of his 401k and IRA accounts, once he is are over 65 or 69”.

      • Kore says:

        Riv and I. 😛

      • Riviera Undercover says:

        ?

      • Kore says:

        And cryptic. I think the rest are all U.S. based.

    • Anonymous says:

      A 70yo can probably spend every month more than his income. There are mandatory draw requirement from retirement investment/savings account at that age; i.e. IRS requires you to spend a certain percentage of your 401k and IRA accounts, once you are over 65 or 69.

      Also if he has major assets to depreciate, a $60k income may not reflect his cash flow. Every $1M asset in depreciation can shield $38k cash flow from being counted as income.

      Given his sexual proclivities, he may not be looking to keep any SB for more than a couple months.

    • FormerAnon says:

      tall girls :)

  78. rembodler says:

    About a dick.

    I think dick is really for man’s pleasure. So I cannot see how size is of any relevance.
    Most women think of intercourse as “fun”, but practically they normally want dildo+oral to completion.
    Just my .02 cents.

    • Anonymous says:

      Poor thing; you go right on believing that. It’s their polite way of saying you-know-what.

      • Anonymous says:

        Like:
        OMG, do not stick THAT thing in me…;)).

      • rembodler says:

        Guys, guys…SMH. Let’s be civil, people…
        I understand, it is very tempting to use a “…and you have a small dick” argument against your blog adversary, but please, show some restrain. After all, we are on the site that is a great testament to a simple fact that the size of one’s dick matters so much less to women than the size of one’s wallet…

      • Anonymous says:

        If the opinion of a man with small penis has less value in sexual matters then the opinion of a woman with small boobs or crooked vagina should have less value in sexual matters as well?

      • Anonymous says:

        Nature did not require a woman to have pleasure during sex in order to achieve reproduction. A man on the other hand has to have pleasure to achieve orgasm and deposit sperm in to the receptacle for pregnancy to take place. Whether the penis is 2 inches or 10 inches is irrelevant as long as the sperm is healthy, motile, and abundant.

      • Kore says:

        “Nature did not require a woman to have pleasure during sex in order to achieve reproduction.”

        ??? Yes, that is why women never, ever have any sexual pleasure. Also why there is no such thing as the sperm retention theory. Ejaculating without being totally hard doesn’t exist either.

        Sure, a woman can get pregnant even if she didn’t enjoy the sex. Still, I am sure that sex feels good to everyone since it’s nature’s way of increasing chances by giving us incentive to reproduce.

        Similar to why food tastes good.

    • Anonymous says:

      Rembodler, the EPITOME of STUPIDITY. What you just said, made no sense what so ever. You better reread that or ask a moderator to delete it.

    • Kore says:

      @Rem What?! Dicks were made only for the pleasure of women! 😉

      Size is relevant. Even greater is attraction. It’s the only thing that compensates for anything else. We have proof of this when men think with their little head and women fall for men who are assholes.

      Studies say size mattered. Our ancestors started walking on legs, allowing for males to fully expose goods to females. The larger ones were selected. We believe this based on the dick/body ratio of humans compared to other primates.

      Sex is not just fun, btw. It’s the little death..

      • Anonymous says:

        Even the bushmen did not walk around with their penii erect. Standing up was the for the benefit making human body look bigger (taller) to potential animal predators.

        Human penis change in size greatly between resting vs. erect; the two are not well correlated across different men.

        The interior of a penis is an insemination tool. The exterior of a human penis is primarily a swabbing too: to get the other men’s semen out, using heck side of that bulbous head. That’s why more r-selected human groups tend to have bigger penis. Whereas more K-selected human groups tend to have smaller penis.

        The same distinction extend to other primate groups: Bonobos, a species where everyone has sex with pretty much everyone else, has penis to body size ratio more than double that of human; whereas Gorillas, a more pair-bonding/family-oriented species, have 1.25″ penis when erect despite weighing 500lbs.

      • Anonymous says:

        swabbing tool*

      • Kore says:

        @Anon Thanks for the info. I already knew some of things you’ve said, but the things I didn’t know are helpful.

        Still, it doesn’t explain everything, especially why we evovled at all that our males should have larger a penis/body ratio compared to most primates despite us being mostly monogamous. The r-K theory explains size variation between humans, between primates. Still, not in comparison between the two. We could have very well evolved that our men have the same size ratio as primates. What was the use that they have bigger dicks at all? There was a cause that anything more than a micropenis makes up the majority.

      • Anonymous says:

        The explanation is quite simple: human ancestors before civilization did not primarily practice monogamy.

        A lot of group sex were taking place before civilization, just like Bonobos do today. That’s why men evolved bigger penis to swab out the seminal fluid from other men, as well as a large percentage of sperms designed to entangle other men’s sperms.

      • Kore says:

        TY. Wasn’t aware.

    • Anonymous says:

      OK -so here’s the bon mot du jour. Man get’s naked in front of the prostitute ready to do the deed. She laughs at his penis saying “who are you going to pleasure with that little thing ? He laughs and pointing at himself says “ME !”

      Says it all girls

  79. AnonymousBaby says:

    @Anonymous It’s okay for people to be athletic, overweight, slender, thin and whatever else you may call it. However it’s not okay for you to try to degrade Anyone based on their weight and body shape, simply because you are insecure yourself. And no, I myself am not overweight (athletic body type).

    • Victoria says:

      I totally agree. I am new to this site but not new to insecure men with money. As much as I like the company of the accomplished they can be SO shallow that they miss out on the one who really has what he needs…) Not every man on here is attractive or fitting, soooo with that being said. I wish a more realistic approach could be taken so that all involved will be satisfied.

  80. Another Anonymous says:

    @Attica

    Yes, figuring whether you want a second date does not take long. So why seven dates with a POT? Yes potential SDs understand, that majority of potential SBs might need some help the cab, babysitting, you name it. How about a bit of understanding that seven evenings is a lot of time
    for a typical SD vulgaris, ie married 50 something busy overweight professional?

  81. Anonymous says:

    Where did countryliving90 get pointers on how to take photos for a sugar website?

  82. lurker says:

    Regarding financial domination: there is actually something titillating about these beautiful but penniless girls making absurd demands, like “please understand that I only fly business class or better and only stay in 5 star hotels, it’s a matter of comfort and lifestyle for me”. It’s like having your own personal court jester, and a beautiful jester at that, lovely to look at, amusing to listen to. The real question is what to do with them. Clowns are funny, I loved watching the Three Stooges as a kid, but I’m not so sure about wanting sex with a clown, no matter how beautiful she is. And I’d be concerned about giving her money, lest she use me as fodder for her future comedy routines. If I were a SB and my goal was maximum income with minimum effort, I don’t think I would make myself into a clown. But then maybe SBs have different goals.

  83. Another Anonymous says:

    @Attica M

    If you do not mind me asking, how much time do you have in a usual week and how many POTs do you evaluate in a given time?

    Even if we are talking about a coffee over lunch, seven dates is probably a months or more. If you are talking about sit down fancy dinner and/or opera evening, seven dates can mean two months.

    • Attica M says:

      I’m extremely flexible.

      I have only meet three. And it was one at a time. I don’t juggle b/c I value my personal time.

      I’ve never had fancy dinner,shopping trips, or received gifts.If some one was local, I’d imagine I’d work around their scheduleAnd see them when they want. I was just speaking about my ideal situation and yes 7 dates seems long, but figuring if you even want a second date doesn’t take that long.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Attica

      You’re not that great looking for a typical man to stick around for 7, 5 or even 3 platonic dates. If you played your games for too long then the ones with options will bolt.

      Those with not much going on in their lives “may” stick around.

      • Kore says:

        @Anon Feel free to post of picture of your face, baby.

      • Anonymous says:

        Female logic strikes again…

        The judges at Miss Universe or HR folks at modelling agencies don’t need to look a certain way. Neither does a random man to decide how a  woman looks compared to all the other options on SA available in a given geographic location.

        Also go research how the sexiest man/woman alive is chosen by People magazine and other such outfits.

      • Kore says:

        There’s a difference between being honest and being insulting. I’m not disagreeing that looks play a role. Just that most average looking girls still have more choice and can be more selective than average looking men. I think she has a chance with someone for a 7 dates. It might not be you, but saying it will never be anyone is something you can’t know.

        It’s female logic when I write something the way you do? Guess it’s time for you to check if anything’s changed between your legs then.

      • SailingIsFun says:

        Rude and unnecessary unpleasant comment. This is full of anonymous idiots.

      • Anonymous says:

        agree, mediocre looking black women are screwed in sa, most black women do not appeal to white men anyway

      • Attica M says:

        i am not great looking.
        i am black, 6ft tall, and compared to my height, my boobs are small. I have tattoos. i am also about to be 26, too old for most of these SDs.

        i think a lot of you missed a lot of points i made, so its what ever. you dont think i can be successful, and that is honestly not an issue with me.

  84. Another Anonymous says:

    @ Sugar Kell

    Are you a Sugar MOMMY Kell? If you are, my apologies. If you are a Sugar BABY Kell, well maybe your understanding of SD/SB dynamics can use an upgrade.

  85. Anonymous says:

    Some of the better looking pussies…

    [http://www.labialibrary.org.au/site/assets/files/1014/17_shannon.jpg]
    [http://www.labialibrary.org.au/site/assets/files/1014/14_erica.jpg]
    [http://www.labialibrary.org.au/site/assets/files/1014/20_jayla.jpg]

    Aesthetically they look great…
    The down side of absence/lack of flesh hanging out is that the labia majora may start out dry or get dry quickly if she is not dripping wet.

    • Sugar Kell says:

      Oh, are we nitpicking woman’s genitals now? Let’s have a talk about how anything less than 8 inches on a man is useless to a woman.

      • Anonymous says:

        My SB was too busy looking at a copy of my bank statement account balance to notice I was about to pound her silly with my 3 inch penis.

      • Anonymous says:

        You cannot pound her silly with your 3 inch penis. What you can do is tickle her. You exactly tell us that she was too busy reading/noticing something rather than focus on the sex.

    • Anonymous says:

      Go ahead make my day.

    • Anonymous says:

      Clitoris is outside the vagina and the G-spot is merely 2 inches inside the vagina. Therefore, girth may have more effect than length.

      That said, most women’s interest in men is not in his penis but his resources.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Haha sure women don’t care about the penis.

      • Anonymous says:

        For women…the younger the woman the more interest in penis. With age that interest keeps going down.

        For men…the interest in pussy remains as strong as ever…the physical ability to perform keeps going down though.

      • Rookie says:

        I know a few older women that love the dick as strong as ever, and their oral ability to perform hasn’t dropped off..

      • Anonymous says:

        You can also cite examples of heterosexual men who don’t have much interest in pussy. Exceptions do exist.

      • MissLady says:

        @Anon, funny cause it’s all the younger ladies on IG and Tumblr that get in an uproar if a guy sends her a pic of his penis

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Women Care about the penis but either fall into one of three categories.
        1) it’s a deal breaker for her and you’ll never hear from her again after the first night

        2) She’s willing to overlook your shortcomings because she really likes/cares for you or because of the lifestyle you can provide

        3) She’s with you but banging someone behind your back

        But like always there exceptions and she might really not care.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Game changer: Guy is aware and accepts short comings and takes the necessary steps to make sure she is sexually satisfied through other means.

      • Anonymous says:

        Bigger dick may be a novelty item but smaller dick is manageable on a daily basis while extracting resources from the owner of the small dick. For many women bigger dick is a pain in the vagina.

      • Attica M says:

        @jaybird lolz. Never gonna happen

      • Anonymous says:

        I bought my SB a Mercedes Benz and a 12 inch vibrating dildo. She is one happy camper.

      • Anonymous says:

        One way to make a woman independent of you.

      • Anonymous says:

        Rather…strong and independent…of you.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Anything over 10 inches is for show and tell… fun to look at but not letting it anywhere near my nether regions

      • Dovetail says:

        My understanding of the size debate:

        An ex of mine was 8 1/4 and about 4 diameter, which was what it was but took some adjustment for a very petite female. One evening he got a bit carried away, and hit me hard, and it felt like a bomb had gone off on my cervix. I screamed, fell over onto my side, curled into a ball and could not breathe for about 35 seconds, while every muscle from my groin to my neck seized in pain and my face looked like a tear leaking tomato. “OMG I am sooooo sorry what does it feel like are you OK?!” I describe the feeling when I can breathe again. He LAUGHS! WTF is so funny?! “You’ve just got kicked in the balls.”

        1. I will never kick a male in the balls as long as I live unless I am in mortal danger. Ever. It’s cruel and unusual punishment.

        2. Now wary of size, for purely self preservation reasons.

      • SouthernSB says:

        Says who? I’m 50 and you’d better bet I’m interested in penis. Shit I’ve been blessed, I’ve never had to deal with a man that had a small penis (knock on wood) and goddess willing I never will have to. I’m almost as interest in a man’s penis as much as a man’s bank account and I’m pretty sure that isn’t going away time soon. Frankly, I hope I’m just like my mother, 72 years old and still banging away.

    • Anonymous says:

      They are not that fun, especially these women who clearly lack clitoris to make them feel pleasure during intercourse.

  86. Attica M says:

    Anyway I’m working on an animated music video about three high school girls seducing a man and killing him in a hotel room.

  87. Anonymous says:

    Has anyone else noticed that SA has changed “Expectation” now to “Lifestyle Expectation”? What genius lawyer came up with that one? Personally I think they should change “Expectation” to “How Much Of Your Money I Am Entitled To Because I Know My Worth”

  88. Promise says:

    Has anyone been on letstalksugar.com?

  89. IHF2030 says:

    The bets way to build trust is to start paying allowance in weekly installments. Then go to bi-weekly and finally monthly payment of allowance after trust has been built.

    • Anonymous says:

      The salty who advocates p4p said so once.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        The Rinser who wants money for nothing.

      • Anonymous says:

        So salty means a SD who won’t be rinsed. How dare he!
        Of course if a SB wants to take the allowance in arrears then no problem. She will be salty if she doesn’t accept?

      • Anonymous says:

        Rinsing does not equal p4p. Remember a few blogs back, when everyone said that p4p was escortish. I mean who invented that term? The guys who offer 200 p4p each time. I next those.

    • Anonymous says:

      The first time you give her more than week’s worth of allowance, she is going to bolt only to come back with some sob story.

      Don’t believe me? Try it out and report your findings.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        If the person’s intent is to scam you she’s not sticking around to wait for you to gradually increase her allowance from one week to bi-weekly to monthly. She’ll most likely bail in the first 2-3 weeks when she realizes you’re serious and go in search of easier prey.

      • Anonymous says:

        They come in all varieties…some will do what you suggested…the others…who are in need of discretion would go along and bring forth demands for money for any and all reasons.

    • Anonymous says:

      The woman is who is insulted by the thought of a weekly allowance (at first) is usually a cash and dash scam artist. They don’t want 1/4 of the monthly allowance because their pimp will beat them up if they don not produce the whole amount.

    • IHF2030 says:

      When my buddy and his sugarbaby first got together he would give her four cheques for equal amounts on the first of each month. One cheque was good to cash straight away and the others were post dated. That way she knew that he was serious and he knew that if she didn’t deliver on her part of the bargain that he could simply stop payment on the post dated cheques.

      • Anonymous says:

        Some banks will cash post dated checks, no?

        [http://www.consumerfinance.gov/askcfpb/967/can-bank-or-credit-union-cash-post-dated-check-date-check.html]

      • Anonymous says:

        Cash is king. No paper trail. Divorce court. Post dated checks? No thanks.

      • Anonymous says:

        That sounds like a great way for a SB to blackmail her married SD.

  90. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Elaine – That Vag I mentioned not liking just looks like chewed chewing gum to me lol I didn’t factor in hair into the equation as that can be changed very easily. That one on the 2nd Row, 2nd Column looks like the pussy has a pussy to me. Also very unattractive pubic hair type.

  91. clea says:

    It’s not uncommon for women to NOT practice safe sex with their significant others, all whilst having men on the side for platonic purposes. Both in the Sugar World and regular world. lol at the idea of thousand of dollars going to take care of some newborn. Hell no, it couldn’t and wouldn’t be me! PRACTICE safe sex at all times.

    I also believe that it is a marketing tool for her blog. A young hustler she is.

    • Dovetail says:

      Are you serious that safe sex is enough for you? You do realize that there are things that are not stopped by a condom? You do realize that there are things that will not show up for 3 months after contracted?

      I won’t touch a male without a dated, recent full battery STD test result. Period. You do realize that it is common for MEN to sleep with 3 different women per week, sometimes as many as 15 in a month? That men are on the whole far more likely to be carrying something than women?

      If you don’t keep regular tabs on your health, you’re playing russian roulette with your life, and no, a condom is not enough. One little wrong hit that results in a break and you are now the next deformed fish in the pond.

      • Dovetail says:

        I realize that this is a fairly high standard to keep. But my companion also knows that once they give me the one yes I require, that bit of paperwork for my security, their prize is a woman that doesn’t tell them no, barring certain forms of sadism.

      • Anonymous says:

        You do realize that it is common for MEN to sleep with 3 different women per week, sometimes as many as 15 in a month?

        This is disgusting. They may have all kinds of ish up in there.

      • Anonymous says:

        Dovetail, they could contract something whilst being with you. Maybe the next day, the next week. You can’t make them take std tests every other day.

      • elaine says:

        An ebola suit maybe? 😉

      • noname says:

        dovetail the only safe sex is no sex but i wish you luck its a dangerous world out there

      • Anonymous says:

        By crackey, there are even women servicing 2 guys at one time-imagine that .How would I know as guy #1 that guy #2 is not banging other girls and bringing the gift that keeps on giving home to you -and thus to me ?>

      • PrettyLittleBeggars says:

        are you insane??? men sleeping with three different women per week? also your attitude is terrible.. what fun must be sliding down your ice chute

  92. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Attica – When men say they don’t want an escort what most of us mean is we don’t want time limits or for the time we spend with the SB to be with a metre ticking away. We want a Girlfriend Type Experience whether it be dinner, outings and then bedroom time or just bedroom time if the SD is married and can’t afford public exposure.

    Your 7 date theory is well and good however are you expecting expensive dinners or are they just basic get to know you meetings over coffee, walk through parks type of thing? The 7 dates is fine, but I would expect the SB if she is genuine to meet me half way and not expect full Sugar until she is also willing to provide full Sugar in return.

    Otherwise the whole idea just sounds like a scam for the SB to get 7 free dinners before deciding that she doesn’t like the SD enough to want to go further.

    The flaw in this concept is that most men will start off with the SB on a pedestal, we see her picture we like the way she looks, we go into whatever dream land that works for us, then we start to chat with her, 9 times out of 10 she will do something during the chat stage that will destroy the idealized image we have of her, we might meet her if she hasn’t destroyed it too much, but during the meet she might say or do something that destroys that image more.

    So my point is, after 7 dates will I still even like her? I think SB’s when noticing the SD really likes her should go into actress mode and jump on that Sugar Train ASAP, don’t wait around, because all of this is far more fragile than you realize.

    • Anonymous says:

      Sounds like you want a cheaper alternative to an escort without a metre ticking away. If you had given us a better reason, like less sexual partners would have been more believable.

      7 free dinners? Please. If you can’t stand a person no reason if enough, not even an allowance. Lame excuse. Because you also have dinner, enjoy time and get to know the other person. It isn’t a one way street. Unless it is all about sex and you count dinners and a metre ticking away. Hypocrite.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        That made little sense to me.

        Escorts and brothels are legal where I am, they can be as cheap as $220 an hour, so a SB is going to cost me more. Nice try though in pushing your own agenda.

        I do believe there are women out there who would try and string along a man for free dinners etc even if they didn’t like him. It happens.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ Anon stop trolling with your stupid agenda.

    • Anonymous says:

      So my point is, after 7 dates will I still even like her?

      Tell me what’s the point in pursuing an arrangement with someone you do not even like and have no chemistry with. If I’m paying I’m getting an intelligent, caring, funny person too. Looks aren’t everything. So she might be a 10 but if her personality is a 2 I will pass.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        I feel like you are arguing with me even thought it appears you agree with me?

        That is my point, I wouldn’t pursue an arrangement with someone I don’t like. But I tend to start off liking them even if it’s just a photo, looks aren’t everything though and quite often what starts off as a 10 will start losing points in various ways. So 7 dates is a long time, long enough for the cracks to really start showing.

        Arraignments aren’t dating, no one is getting married from this, no one is moving in with the other, it’s supposed to be simple, drama free fun. All the best parts of a relationship with none of the bad. If I am meant to virtually court the woman than I will already be losing interest as she wants my money and I see it as her job to impress me.

      • Attica M says:

        Cryptic be like:You, a woman, have opinions?!

        Great there goes my boner!

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        Opinions great. Self Entitlement and arrogance no.

        I was trying to have a discussion with you, it is you who are actually getting aggressive and chauvinistic.

        Like I said though, the woman wants my money, she needs to impress me, I’m not going to court her, trying to impress her all so I can give her my money.

        That is insane to me.

      • Attica M says:

        Idk if you saw why I mentioned the 7 date idea, but last time I did what you suggested,I was taken advantage of. Something I’m trying to avoid with out doing the same thing and waiting for a doesn’t result. That actually is insane.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        Sounds like you should of got money upfront. Or did you just not like the guy? In the end there isn’t any sure fire way of stopping yourself getting ripped off whether you are SD or SB. But it does pay to be careful and cynical which is what I am.

        Of course many SB’s don’t like that as I am not an easy target.

      • IHF2030 says:

        Yeah, good luck with that seven date thing!

      • Attica M says:

        It’s rare I get any messages, I am really not losing much.

    • Attica M says:

      Omg it’s like no understands what I’m saying. If thou don’t like someone on the first or 4th date, you or I can walk away.

      My pussy is awesome and I love it.
      I’m looking for some one to trust and have fun with. Not hopping on any dick that promises to toss a few hundreds my way.

      And where are these expressive expectations coming from? We can’t chill at a gastro pub on half price burger night?

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        I get that either party can walk away at any point. And it was a question about the dates, it sounds like to you it is more important to spend time talking rather than how much money is spent on the date.

      • Anonymous says:

        Everything is too much for these sds. Any man that complains about dinner is just stupid.

      • Attica M says:

        But if this is a common thought among pots, ugh. Good thing I don’t give many fucks.
        I’ll live vicariously through the ones I follow I social media. They get it, good for them.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        A man who complains about dinner is stupid? Easy to say when you are the one getting that free dinner.

        A woman who complains about not wanting to give a head job after dinner is stupid.

        Same theory.

      • elaine says:

        @Attica

        You mentioned having a high sex drive….

        Hell, I am like 2x your age so, accoording to some here, a halfdead grandma, but my God, I wouldn’t been able to have 7 dates without sex with a man I find attractive!
        And I don’t go on 7 dates with a man I don’t find attractive….

        So I don’t get it… waiting 7 dates and having a high sex drive?
        How do you do that?!

      • Anonymous says:

        Logic rarely wins women over…feelings do…that’s why the poet went…I want my MTV.

      • Attica M says:

        Having a high sex drive doesn’t mean I can’t control myself.

        If you looked at the other comments on this,I agreed 5 days is better.

      • Anonymous says:

        Look dinner is dinner-eating. If you go out with the idea that you’re not going to enjoy the dinner date, which you might not irl (even though in irl you might spend more on dinner and never complain) then you’re doomed to fail even when an arrangement has been established.

      • elaine says:

        @Attica

        I keep myself from drinking, smoking, drugs, carbs and a lot of other unhealthy things. Purely by selfcontrol.

        But I don’t see any use for selfcontrol to keep myself from having sex with a man I find attractive.

        Life is short so why on earth would I ??!!
        To “rinse” him?
        To make him “want me more”?
        To play “hard to get”?
        To apply “The Rules”?
        To try to “hook” him?
        To pretend to be “innocent” or “shy”?

        Haha, I am too old and selfconfident for these childish games….

      • Kore says:

        @Attica A high sex drive doesn’t mean that I fuck every man I see, on the spot. It just means that I would like to have sex sooner than later with the right man and that it will be more than once.

        Not having self control in relation to a high sex drive would mean ending up having sex with people you would prefer not having sex with. I doubt many women do that.

      • Attica M says:

        @elanie
        i dont play games. but i am also not going to let my high sex drive distract me. i dont understand why you guys arent getting what i am saying. if i want to have sex earlier i will.

        you may be too old to wait, but i am too old to live my life with regrets. i want to make sure i am making the best decision for myself. sorry if thats a crazy concept.

    • She said that she didnt expect an allowance during this time.

  93. Anonymous says:

    If you have a tendency of feeling “like an escort” then you’re just going to play all kinds of games with men here that most of them will bolt.

  94. Attica M says:

    @bartolo. Thank you for that.

  95. Bartolo says:

    @Attica : “They say they don’t want an escort.”

    We see reference to this from both SB’s and SD’s. What does it really mean? Obviously, different things to different people.

    The stereotypical “escort” encounter would be the escort showing up to the John’s hotel room, or vice versa. Likely no phone conversation first, no communication other than “where” and “how much.” Within about 2 minutes the “session” begins and lasts as long as he lasts . . . which she is likely trying to make as short a time as possible. He dresses and leaves.

    So what is possible in the Sugar world that is not the above. Many, many possibilities. A platonic meet-and-greet for one. Conversations about much more than “where” and “how much” for another. Communication on non-meetup days for another. Activities together other than sex . . . and the list goes on.

    “I don’t want an escort experience,” coming from a man, can mean MANY things. All the way from “Let’s have several platonic dates first” to “I want to know a little bit about her and care a little bit about her” to “I am saying this so she doesn’t think I’m a schmuck.”

    A follow-up question, such as, “Tell me how you want to make this unlike an escort situation” might work to discover what any given man means by this.

    • Anonymous says:

      I do not want an escort as I prefer kissing a girl that doesn’t have semen breath from her previous customer.

    • Anonymous says:

      My idea of a non escort encounter is only the exclusivity . I like the idea of popping in ,screwing our brains out ,and leaving after a smooch or two.

      exclusivity is the key ! no semen breath, Clorox smell in the room ,condom wrappers filling the trash can , cell phone going off every 30 seconds-or large shady looking gangstas patrolling the hall.

      • Attica M says:

        All of which can be covered up. Idk,still don’t see the difference.
        i mean, sex workers still call sb/sd sex work.

  96. Jaybird923 says:

    @MissLady If you’re lurking on the blog check out the $15,000 IG SB apparently she might be pregnant

    • Oh god. Breakroom consummation?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Haha I don’t know. All she said was she was she wasn’t being careful. I don’t think it was the $15,00 SD he’s new not enough time to knock her up.

        on another note the reason she went platonic only was because her first time in the bowl she put out and the guy promised allowance and never delivered.

    • Anonymous says:

      Sugar cuckold?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’m pretty sure it is. Iwonder how long the platonic SDs will stick around once the have physical evidence that she’s banging other guys while they are paying her fortune to have dinner lol

      • noname says:

        jaybird why would they care if they are not getting sex it doesn’t matter who they are with but she might get dumped once she begins to show because she won’t be good arm candy

      • Phoney Baloney says:

        It’s not real, the pregnancy, the $15000.00 platonic SD.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’m pretty sure most of them think that by giving her enough cash and waiting it out that she’ll change her mind and sleep with them once she see how great and generous they are. She’s the one that initiates the platonic aspect not the guys.

        Since I’m not a subscriber I can’t be 100% sure but these are probably very short lived arrangements from what I have been able to gather from her post on IG.

        So if I just gave you over $20,000 with the intention of waiting it out a month or two to eventually bang you and you show up pregnant I’m probably going to end it. The platonic thing wasn’t because you were a “good girl” who didn’t want to sleep around but because you just didn’t want to sleep with me. Not very good for the ego…

      • noname says:

        jaybird i agree thats what he was likely thinking but i say he’s a fool if thats the case many on here will say if your old ulgy etc. all you have to do is up the allowance no amount of money is going to sway a lady to go out with someone shes not attracted to a SD needs something more than money if he’s going to be sucessfull in the suger bowl and yes your right platonic arrangements are short lived

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t think there are any platonic arrangements, there are disguised platonic arrangements when the guy is scammed and only ends when they realize that they are never getting to first base, let alone a home run!

    • MissLady says:

      I saw that this morning and for someone that’s supposed to have only platonic daddies, was this divine intervention??

    • MissLady says:

      I’m also floored by how she’s trying to profit off of the announcement smh. I wonder how many people will buy in to be able to keep up with the soap opera.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I know right lol I’m not paying $10 to find out if she is or not.

      • She’s going to share with her subscribers?

      • Anonymous says:

        @MissLady

        I am sure that you still don’t believe that the $15,000 and the messages from SDs is part of the scam in an attempt to extract $10 from other idiots?

      • MissLady says:

        lol @ Jay, exactly. But I’m sure the answer will get around anyway.

        @YGBKM yes, insiders only

        @anon, I’ve got no belief one way or another about if her hustle is legit, as the saying goes, what she eats doesn’t make me shit. If she is, good for her. If she’s not, good for her. I do know that she’s not the only one that makes a hustle from the sugar advice game, a lot of SB’s get tired of answering endless questions so they charge. She’s not going to become a millionaire off of it.

      • I'm an idiot says:

        I can’t wait to sign up and follow this amazing success story, we should have Sugar Idol :-)

    • THEATLSD says:

      She’s the new Kenna. BS queen with the added luxury of ripping off SB also.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Kenna is fairly believable.

      • THEATLSD says:

        Not really. If you follow her timeline of exotic stories. They don’t jive at all and I’m not just talking on this blog.

      • Anonymous says:

        I never believed Kenna

      • MissLady says:

        Yeah she pulled an elaborate one and got exposed all over the internet.

      • Anonymous says:

        I thought Kenna was real. Where did I go wrong?

      • Anonymous says:

        Who TF is Kenna?

      • Anonymous says:

        Ask Josh about his princess

      • Catcher 22 says:

        @TH:

        I do not agree that @Kenna was an imposter. I thought she was *very* believable. If you have credible information that her posts were BS, please share it on the blog. Otherwise, YOU are the one who is posting BS.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yeah…anyone who has anything against Kenna post it instead of talking in thin air.

      • Kenna is a fraud who embellished much of her story. I called her bullshit early on and throughout her activity here, but of course was flamed by all of those who were duped by her fairytales.

        Ha. Silly, sillies.

        Im not going to put her business out there (though just off the top of my head, I COULD list about 5 truths with supporting evidence right now). But I do have humility afterall. Not interested in proving a point to you naysayers anyway. You chose to ignore all the signs even when they were pointed out to you.

        Dumb-dumbs.

        It’s quite laughable, actually.

        Oh…and I wouldnt say these things now had I not already said them to her when she was here :).

      • Catcher 22 says:

        @ygtbkm: Sure, we all know how easy it is to anonymously sling mud on a blog and call folks you disagree with demeaning names. My comment to @THEATLSD applies to you. If you have credible and convincing information that @Kenna is a fraud, share it on the blog. If not, I suggest you post your unsupported and unsubstantiated accusations on the Salem Witch Hunters blog.

        My suspicion is that you, like Lainie, are just letting your jealousy over @Kenna’s uncommon success story feed your venom toward her.

      • Anonymous says:

        I agree with @Catcher-22…

        If you have proof that @Kenna is fake then enlighten us.

        If you don’t then…

      • MissLady says:

        I’m with YGBKM, I’m not going to put her business out there, she already did and so have others on different sites, you can find it if you choose to. Matter of fact, she’s hanging out on IG (with her current reincarnation, the others have been deleted) so you’re more than welcome to go look for her and see the lifestyle she’s selling this time around.

        But by all means, continue on with the ‘we have no basis’ argument.

      • Catcher 22 says:

        Well, if the last Anonymous is @Josh, we have just hit a historic milestone. It would be the first time you have ever agreed with me.

        BTW, for the record, I often agree with your posts :-) Sorry you feel it necessary to cloak your your identity by posting anonymously.

      • Anonymous says:

        Don’t I just “luv” the drama created by some women. If you have proof…make it plain…provide links…

        Why the fuck you have to make it difficult because of whatever the fuck goes thru your sewer minds?

      • Anonymous says:

        It is infinitely better to post as Anonymous as my detractors are not sure which Anonymous is @Josh. It keeps the blog relatively clean from unnecessary noise.

      • @Catcher

        What I think I hear you saying is that you were one of the suckers who emailed with her, showered her with praises, and touted her as the SB that every girl here should emulate.

        SUCKER!!!

        Not at all jealous of Kenna or anyone else who finds success here. Kudos to all. Kenna is a conniving little four letter word running amok the interwebs posing as the near-virginal bride of an “almost, but not yet” billionaire.

        HA! Omg…someone save me from this rib aching fit of laughter :D.

        Show me your proof, Catcher et al, that Kenna’s stories are real, and I’ll do the same for that of the Flying Spaghetti Monster 😀

        Kenna lurks the blog, now and then even says hello. If she happens to be reading, and wants to dispute these facts, I gladly extend a princess-worthy invitation. Better yet!!! Maybe some of you silly men who emailed with her, while whacking it to the fantasy of her royal existence, can extend the invite to her. Wouldnt that just be lovely?

        Oh, oh, oh! But before she accepts my invitation, it’s only fair that she knows that are links, screen shots etc to support these facts.

        The thing is…even after Kenna threw me in front of the bus that she was driving, I was cordial with her on blog. But anytime I challenged her obvious lies, she would play the victim card, and rally up a bunch of allies to wipe her diamond tears and lick her self-inflicted wounds.

        I dont even fault you for being a dumbditydumbdumb, and Im not even mad about the backslash I took for calling a spade a spade. Kenna is good at what she does…she has a near-PhD, afterall.

        Am I saying that Kenna did not offer insight into sugar, or that there isnt some truth to Kenna’s story? No, Im not. Let’s just say that it’s highly inflated by 16 times the national average, and contains some pretty significant omissions.

        As for providing proof…

        I could show you all the proof that a rational minded person would need. But you know what? Im not going to. Because here’s the thing…you have to want to know the truth…call it a Catch’22.

        I hope we can still be friends.

      • Kore says:

        @YGBKM If men can shrug off women by pulling the jealousy card, then it’s likely that they are under Kenna’s boob spell. No amount of discussion will bring a man to believe less than what he imagines is ideal in her.

      • THEATLSD says:

        @catcher and other non believers. YGBKM and Misslady summed it up nicely. If you think she is real then the ball is in your court to prove us wrong. I certainly have zero to be jealous of. Especially from that psycho and I don’t have to prove shiot I know what I know and it’s not my place to post personal stuff unless I get attacked. Not sure if Lainey was real but she was right for calling out Kenna and her previous personality. Kenna is a psycho that needs serious mental counseling. I have a decent track record on here and there are bloggers and previous bloggers that know me and know I have no reason to make up shiot. I stand by my statements. Cheers.

    • FormerAnon says:

      what is the over and under on the number of “platonic” SDs she will have to bring to the Maury Show to identify the “father”

      I say 6

    • THEATLSD says:

      One of the other IG SB called her out for having a “great marketing strategy”. This chick is going down harder then Lina Lovelace.

  97. THEATLSD says:

    Does anybody if there is an equivalent for ctrl-f on Apple IPad/IPhone??

  98. Riviera Undercover says:

    Stressed lol can I ask a massive favour xxx
    Can I please have 20 pounds as my electric has just ran out xxxx

    She doesn’t want to meet “Because im in no rush”…

    • Anonymous says:

      SA has become the new GoFundMe website. It is basically online panhandling. I actually admire the beggars out in the streets and freeways more than these bitches.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @ Anonymous says:
        “SA has become the new GoFundMe website. It is basically online panhandling. ”

        I second that…I am beautiful…I show up…gimme gimme allowance…and SD off you go after you gimme allowance ’cause your presence disgusts me.

      • Riviera Undercover says:

        Another: I want gifted shopping money before anything
        Yes. I want to make sure I can be looked after. Fi ncial domination turns me on

      • Riviera Undercover says:

        The aboves profile:What I’m looking for

        Will consider any type of arrangement. I am a very open minded person. Very outgoing. I enjoy indulging in the finer things in life.

      • Anonymous says:

        “Financial Domination turns me on”. Biggest crock of shit I have ever heard. Can’t believe men actually fall for this crap. You know what turns me on? A beautiful sexy young naked woman on her knees with her mouth wide open…….Sexual Domination turns me on.

      • Anonymous says:

        I wonder who are the idiots that donate at myfreeimplants? …

      • elaine says:

        Had to check myfreeimplants, sounded like a joke to me.
        It isn’t…

      • Anonymous says:

        Why have some women turned into the manipulative evil vile repulsive creatures?

      • Anonymous says:

        What is wrong with myfreeimplants? Some men are into bimboism if you aren’t.Findom is a real thing. Men are into it. I saw many profiles.

      • Anonymous says:

        Here is an example one of these insidious creatures now.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Because that is the behavior that is rewarded. For some inexplicable reason there seems to be this need to punish good SBs for being good SBs. If she cares about you she doesn’t deserve an allowance because she’s being greedy. She can’t have her cake and eat it too. But if she treats you like an ATM that’s perfectly fine. If she’s reliable and keeps her word well see should take a substantial cut in allowance because finding an SD is hard so she should give a discount to keep you as a “repeat Customer” just like the escorts do. If she’s asking for minimal, just enough to make her life easier well that’s your opportunity to coerce her into anal because she might be desperate.

        No one comes on here and say I have a great SB that makes me happy and I like to surprise her with her favorite chocolates or small gifts because it’ll make her happy. Or Initially I was giving her $1,000 a month but she’s been good to me and consistent and I know the extra money would make her life better she I gave her bump to $1,500.

        It’s always how can I punish the ones who are stupid enough to be good SBs/people. While the rinser gets thousands of dollars tossed at them. Look how much money the 2 guys on the blog were willing to spend on people who had done nothing to prove they were worthy of it. If I’m reading this stuff who’s example do you think I’m going to follow?

      • lurker says:

        I never said take a cut in allowance. I said the SB might want extra payment payment for first-time sex, to PROTECT the SB against being treated like an escort that the man sees once and never again. That doesn’t mean subsequent payments represent a cut.

        And no one said anything about not exchanging small gifts or otherwise being nice. Small = cheap. SDs who expect SBs to be happy with small gifts in lieu of a sizeable cash allowance are rightfully regarded as cheapskates. And SBs who expect the SD to be happy with small gifts in lieu of sex are fools.

        I think part of the problem is we may be living in different financial universes. I have no objection to a SB rejecting my $2000/month offer because it is below either her reservation price (the price below which she would feel humiliated and would prefer no arrangement) or the market price. My offer is right there on my profile (in code language of course, but obvious), so the SB doesn’t have to negotiate like a turkish rug seller. Just NEXT me. But let me assure you, steady $500/week tax-free, for 5 or so hours of easy work that the SB can reschedule on short notice with no repercussions, is not chump change in my neck of the woods (DFW area). Not chump change for SDs, not chump change for SBs. Maybe it would help in understanding my arguments if you multiply that $500 by some factor to adjust for higher price levels where you come from. You’re certainly not doing the SBs a favor with your arguments. You’re providing confirming evidence that SBs on this site are hopelessly entitled and that SDs would be better off spending their money on sex tourism.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Lurker I’m almost ever wrong about my initial assessment of people and it is reassuring to know that in your case I was correct. Now that being said it seems that you either suffer from a serious case of reading comprehension deficiency or you are one of those people who ignore reality to push his own agenda.

        ” men often tire of women after a while, causing their value to the man to decline. Another reason to lower the rate after the first time.”

        1)You tell me in what world this statement isn’t advocating taking an allowance cut because that will encourage the SD to stick around.

        2) My whole post is not dedicated or directed at you but is based on many of the comments that have been made by blog participants in the last couple of months.

        3) Show me where I said anything about small gifts in lieu of cash allowance or sex

        4)What part of my post is encouraging an entitlement attitude? The part where I say appreciate and treat the SBs who are good people and good to you well instead of the rinser who haven’t proven they are worthy of your generosity

        5)I won’t address any of that nonsense about chump change anyone who’s been reading the blog for a long time knows my stance on allowance amounts no point in repeating them.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Jay

        I have no idea where your rant is coming from.

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s like saying to a bank manager “I only asked for $100 loan and you denied it because I don’t have established credit. But when a bank robber comes here you give them all the money in sight.”

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @First Anonymous A rant? Where?

        @Second Anonymous No it’s more like not appreciating the guy who treats you with respect and cares for you and chasing after the one who cheats on you and treats you like shit.

  99. Anonymous says:

    People take it easy…@Attica does not have much exprience in the sugarbowl so her 7 dates wish just came out of her nether regions.

    • Attica M says:

      Actually I’ve been doing this for a while. Only now have I taken an interest of receiving an allowance.
      But yes my 7 dates thing was pulled out my ass.

      • Anonymous says:

        Only now have I taken an interest of receiving an allowance.

        So you just started in the sugarbowl. You weren’t before. That was regular relationships.

      • Attica M says:

        Only receiving money makes it a sd/sb?
        Not just being treated with nsa, no commitments?

      • Anonymous says:

        That is what it says NSA, open relationship, whatever but without SUGAR. No honey, no sugar.

      • Attica M says:

        Okay….

      • Attica,

        Dont feel like you have to explain yourself further. Youve already shared that you were promised one thing then deceived after. Everyone will have their own opinion about whether or not the guy took advantage of you. I can imagine, regardless of the details, that it’s something you dont feel good about and dont want to repeat. There is valuable insight shared here on the blog. Take what you need in navigating the sugar space, and keeping yourself safe and healthy-minded.

      • Anonymous says:

        If you haven’t had sex with your POT SD by the 7th date, you wouldn’t have sex with him at the 200th date. SMH.

      • Attica M says:

        When did I say sex wasn’t happening?

    • AnonymousSSSD says:

      The 5 or 7 dates thing is too long imo. I would wait until the third if you were super hot with a cool personality. If it doesn’t happen by then, NEXT!

      All the sb’s I’ve been with were good to go on the second meet. You seem like a nice lady @Attica, but I wouldn’t wait that long irl.

    • Attica M says:

      Besides I’m about to be out of luck come December. I’ll be 26. Everyone’s age limit! Lols.

  100. Attica M says:

    Here’s How I would like an arrangement to go:
    Few dates to see if we connect.all casual. Nothing fancy.
    Conversation must be stimulating.
    After maybe date 5 or 6, then sexy talk to see if we connect there as well.
    Date seven we talk sugar.We both made it to 7 dates, we both connect sexually. Time for money to be on the table as well as one of us bent over on the table 😉

    Then a wonderful respectable and fun relationship had bloomed.

    But please, if I got it all wrong, check me.

    • Anonymous says:

      How many SDs have you had that were willing to wait until date 7?

      • Kore says:

        @Anon There are obviously some if a woman knows how to play her cards. We’ve had plenty of previous posters waiting and never getting any, having lost some money..

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t disagree there are some that are willing to wait that long. I was curious how successful that approach has been for her. I suspect there are very few SDs that are willing to wait that long. I wouldn’t wait that long in a non-sugar dating scenario.

      • Attica M says:

        If money isn’t up front on first meetings, why would my pussy be?
        I thought the point was to find some one you like, but waste money, so it can last?
        But I guess I’m wrong? Men want some one to give it up on the first meeting? And if this sb is seeing more than one of you, lol, ok good luck with that.

      • Attica M says:

        *not

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t think anyone was suggesting that you give up your pussy on the first date. Maybe somewhere between the 2nd and the 7th though.

        You still haven’t answered though — how many SDs have you found that have been willing to wait that long?

      • Kore says:

        @Attica I think the difference is the sex drive. To me, sex is pretty important, so I would prefer to have sex soon after attraction. I wouldn’t mind waiting a couple of dates. Or even just meeting with others around, but I wouldn’t wait 7 dates with a guy just to figure out that we don’t sexually fit. It’d be sad to have feelings for someone, get into a relationship with them, and then your sexual fantasies are made of everyone else but your partner…

      • Attica M says:

        @anon, I don’t meet many peole. I don’t even get a lot of messages. I’m not really any one’s type if you can’t tell.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Are you fishing for compliments? I’m pretty I’ve seen several SDs comment on the fact the they think you’re cute and if you were in their area they would pursue you

      • Attica M says:

        @kore, my sex drive is very high. And I love sex. I don’t mind doing it at date 5.

      • Kore says:

        @Attica It doesn’t make sense. If your sex drive is high, you would feel less hurt by this.

      • Attica M says:

        @jay, yes people think I’m cute and they want to bang me. I’m told that often.
        Wish personalities were fuckable and peole liked mine more. But I guess I will take what I can get.

      • Kore says:

        less used by this*

      • “You are prolonging the courting period compared to what the nonawkward SD would be used to from regular dating.”

        I agree. Most specifically if you know early on (which most do know) if youre attracted to him, and he has demonstrated that he is respectful and regarding. The approach youre considering might be more suitable in a traditional dating situation. One who might otherwise be interested could take this as a sign of disinterest, rejection or a waste of time.

        Someone mentioned earlier that thing that some women internalize…the qualifying and validation factor. For me, an ideal pair presents themselves in a “worthy” way without prompting. I think for some, it’s more about getting comfortable with the concept without feeling some kind of way about what the relationship may or may not mean…removed from projected stigma.

        As it pertains to intimacy, I do think it’s important to have a sense of intimate chemistry. A kiss, one’s demeanor and disposition have never failed me in gauging this.

        Re Attica’s personality…

        I get what you mean, Attica. You are cute yet alternative and perhaps atypical as it pertains to the ideal or coveted sugar baby. You’ll either have to sit pretty and patiently in being just as selective of SDs as they are of you, or figure out how to navigate the spectrum of appeal without losing your sense of self.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Attica It sounds like you have some major issues/insecurities about men wanting to be with the person you are instead of just the package that person comes in. Just a bit of advice the sugar bowl is not the place to be if you have issues and insecurities.

        Whether it’s about your body, personality, looks it’s just not a good idea. The things guys are willing to overlook and compromise on IRL relationships they won’t do it here. They’re more critical and more demanding because while in IRL life they are getting you for “free” here they have to “pay” and aren’t willing to make as many concessions.

        The sugar bowl magnifies your flaws and short comings. If you already had issues coming in you could potentially leave more damaged and worse off than you were before. So think hard about if this is the right place for you. The bowl isn’t for the faint of heart. Good luck with whatever you decide.

      • Attica M says:

        I actually don’t have any issues about myself. I love myself and I’m cool as fuck.

      • Why does having an idea of what may or may not appeal to some or many sugar daddies mean that she has insecurities?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        ” Wish personalities were fuckable and peole liked mine more. But I guess I will take what I can get.”

        Good for you! I was responding to this post didn’t sound like that was the case. Disregard the advice since it doesn’t pertain to you.

      • Attica M says:

        Also, my favorite form of humor is self deprecation. And I use it often.
        Peole take it as fishing for compliments or looking for sympathy, I’m actually just poking fun at myself.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @YGTBKM it was the I’ll take what I can get part. It sounds like someone willing to settle for less because they think that’s all they’ll get offered or deserve.

      • I see how it can read that way, Jay. I do think that it happens that way for some people. It sounds like Attica is being realistic in recognizing that her cool might not be everyone’s cup of tea. She’s willing to be patient, and it seems like she’s being practical about her desired allowance (practical as is relevant to her own needs and desires). From what I take of her posts, she is who she is, likes who she is, and wants to find someone who is attracted to her as she is without gaming or faking. It is a rarity to find such a suitor in this realm, and I do think she will have to tweak her approach, or wait it out for the few and far.

    • Anonymous says:

      You are prolonging the courting period compared to what the nonawkward SD would be used to from regular dating. Not wasting time is among the main criteria for being here, so this would be a nonstarter for most. Sounds nice enough in theory.

      • Attica M says:

        But they say they don’t want an escort. I guess I’m confused.

        Straight to sex seems silly to me. I’m not trying to hope from one sd to the next. Idk. And it’s what ever. This is all a have hated attempt any way.

      • Attica M says:

        Half hearted *

      • Riviera Undercover says:

        Escorts have sex with lot’s of other guys, lots…

    • Anonymous says:

      I think maybe make it to date 5. I have started arrangements from date 1 in the past, I actually mean from the meet and greet. We discussed the money and he gave it to me and we went straight to a hotel. So this can happen too. But I also believe it’s better to at least wait till date 2. Without the money until then of course.

      • Attica M says:

        I’ve already been taken advantage of. So this is why I’m being a “prude.”

      • Jaybird923 says:

        You keep saying that. How were you taken advantage of? Were you promised a fee and deceived after you put out or did you put out with out working out the details and didn’t receive anything for your time?

      • Attica M says:

        The former

      • Kore says:

        @Attica Sorry to hear that you got taken advantage of.

        From what the SDs have been posting on the blog, it doesn’t come across well to mention this to s POT, since he might think it’s a scam tactic.

        Try to choose a SD who you might sleep with if he didn’t give you an allowance!

      • Attica M says:

        Yes this why I was trying to be cryptic. But is why I’m trying to find a new way date but also understand what pot sd are in their expectation.trying to find that magic combination.

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t think Kore is right about what she’s saying. You don’t need the last paragraph at all. I think you should choose a good SD and move on from that. I mean you can’t rely on promises, just discuss the arrangement and get the money first before you put out. Because money can be claimed back while sex can’t. That is the difference. Nobody here is advocating getting taken advantage of.

      • SB TVC15 says:

        “money can be claimed back while sex can’t”

        Yes!

      • Kore says:

        @Anon I didn’t mean she should repeat her mistake. Just that the feeling of being taken advantage of can be reduced with the right attitude.

      • Kore says:

        Also, can money really be demanded back? I lent someone a big sum of money (1000€ when I was 18) that they’d promised to pay me back. They never did.. Would a SB really pay back the SD? What is the SD supposed to do to get his cash back from a girl?

    • rembodler says:

      7 dates is unrealistic.
      Fortunately, it is also quite unusual. Most women here are eager to get the allowance and so they are eager to start the arrangement. If she likes you where she will go to bed with you irl and she is getting an allowance – why would she wait?

      • Attica M says:

        Well I like one pot, I thought he liked me to. He got what he wanted, I didn’t. And he stopped talking to me. “Wont get fooled again.”

    • Bartolo says:

      Not. A. Chance. Maybe you can get a man who has really low self-esteem and thinks this is his only option. SEVEN platonic dates? No.

      A man posted in this thread a few times about his mis-adventures, going on date after date with “rinsers.” I am NOT labeling you as such, but he is the type of man who might invest his time in seven dates to see if more is forthcoming.

      And when we analyze the equation . . . are you the woman that will interest a man so wholly and undeniably that after say the third platonic date he will be happy to go that distance again in the hopes of achieving paradise????

      • Anonymous says:

        She advocates dates (obviously platonic) without an allowance until chemistry is established.

      • Attica M says:

        I think you are confused. It can end at any moment. If we dont click on the first date, then its on to the next one.
        7 days, fine. Too long. But I’m not going to fake liking someone, I’m not going to sex quickly, and I’m not bothered by not being a “successful sugar baby.”

    • Riviera Undercover says:

      Dating…

    • noname says:

      just a couple of questions attica were talking of completing the arrangement by the 7th date is that correct and no allowance until then what if the SD offers you your desired amount before hand say the second or third date would you refuse him and make him wait or would that speed up the process

      • noname says:

        most guys won’t wait that long but i quess some would also most won’t pay until the panties drops to floor as they sasy here

      • noname says:

        say not sasy

      • Attica M says:

        that is a great question.
        I would feel the same,I think unless I was completely smitten by him by the 3rd. I might even try to talk him into holding on to the money for one more date. I’m trying to establish trust all around. And wanting.

        And my sex is particular, that defiantly needs to be talked ad nauseum almost.

        Like I say in my profile, despite expressing here what I would like,I don’t have any expectations out hold any to people.

        Communicating is important.

      • The Prophet says:

        Attica: And my sex is particular, that defiantly needs to be talked ad nauseum almost

        You like rape play?

      • Attica M says:

        Ew. No.
        I’m not going to say what I’m into.

        Besides with the discussion of pussy lips, I don’t think I’ll be on here much longer. If intimacy is a must, you better enjoy going down on ladies. If not, blah.

      • The Prophet says:

        Okay it was a bad joke.
        You said defiantly, not definitely. And said a ‘particular’ type of sex, that you have to discuss.

      • Attica M says:

        haha yes, that was my fault. and the fact i cant fucking spell.

    • Anonymous says:

      While I appreciate your candid approach to dating a pot SD, as it shows that you want to get to know him, his stimulating –or not– conversation, find out what you guys have in common, etc., please remember that while these arrangements share the basics of regular dating as to have a meaningful relationship based on mutual attraction, they are also arrangements. A woman will know, from the first meeting, whether or not she will have sex with a man. So, 2 or 3 dates is definitely enough. If you want to have 2 or 3 dates, and I only pay for your dinner, some gas money, and some for your babysitter, if necessary, then it is ok, but I will definitely NOT wait for 7 dates before you decide whether or not I am “worthy” or you feel enough attraction to have sex with me. So that strategy will not work. I do not know about other SDs, but not with me.
      Currently, I am dating a SB, I waited 2 dates where I took her to dinner, we talked about many things, she said, from the start, she found me attractive. She was reluctant to discuss about sex. I took the lead and asked, at the end of the second date. Are you going to have sex with me? Are having this arrangement. We reached a monetary number, and we started to have sex on the third date. So far, almost two months into the arrangement. That is how it works for me.

      • Attica M says:

        Thank you for your input. And like I said before, I won’t wait 7 to decide if I like you out not.

      • SB says:

        Even though I have never insisted on sex at the first date ,I have always consummated the arrangement on the 1st. We are talking 5 years and dozens of SBs. My comment to each after dinner or coffee is ” would you like to start our arrangement now, or do you need a little more time to think about it ?” 100%

        Attica ,as cute as you are I would not wait more than the 2nd date . You either like him or you don’t. It is not dating -it is business. You would do better on a dating site. If you want money(allowance) you are going to have to change your mindset .

      • Attica M says:

        I’m not too worried about it. I’m almost 26. I expire in the sugar bowl.

    • VA Gent says:

      I have a young lady who I initially met nearly a year ago as a POT. We’d met initially and determined that we at least liked each other, and I followed up in emails establishing what would need to happen for her to get a regular allowance. Until such time, we could meet for light lunches, etc. and I’d treat as well as give her cab money (20-30). We had several lunches, but, despite 2 dates planned that never happened, it never progressed beyond that. I stopped seeing her for a while, but she reached out to met recently and we’ve had a few more lunches (have had a couple of other sugar relationships that have been appropriately ‘consummated’). At this point maybe a dozen lunches. I did give her some theater tickets I couldn’t use once. I enjoy her company and am fine covering her for lunch and a modest taxi fare. I’m attracted to her, but guess that time has past…

  101. Bruce Wayne says:

    No honey then no sugar!

    No allowance until the panties hit the floor.

    MODEST (less than $100) reimbursement of expenses is ok if she looks like her profile pictures.

    Don’t let the little head make the decisions.

    Don’t let her problems become your problems.

    If you aren’t intimate by the end of the third date, move on. Your losses will be limited to $300 if you follow the above rules.

    • Attica M says:

      Nope. I have already been used that way.

      • Bob says:

        I do not understand why you feel used in this circumstance. I assume expenses were paid by the POT and no sex was involved. Was it a waste of time? Perhaps a serial dater rather than a POT? Something else? I’d like to understand it from your side.

      • Attica M says:

        Nothing was paid.

      • Attica M says:

        Sorry I am on my phone so explaining everything will take some time.

      • Attica,

        Dont feel like you have to explain yourself further. Youve already shared that you were promised one thing then deceived after. Everyone will have their own opinion about whether or not the guy took advantage of you. I can imagine, regardless of the details, that it’s something you dont feel good about and dont want to repeat. There is valuable insight shared here on the blog. Take what you need in navigating the sugar space, and keeping yourself safe and healthy-minded.

    • Anonymous says:

      Your expenses will be limited to 300. You count coffee dates and dinner dates expenses and gone to waste? You might as well never enter a restaurant either.

    • Anonymous says:

      No allowance until the panties hit the floor.

      Might be true, but I don’t think SDs take that too literally. I mean saying you drop them pants and I give you the allowance. It might be more in the words of, we discuss the allowance, head to a private place and then it is given whatever has been discussed.

      • Captain Obvious says:

        Thanks for clarifying — I would have never figured out that wasn’t a literal statement.

  102. Anonymous says:

    @closedforbusiness

    1. You basically wasted most of the money on one girl. Since, as you stated, she was 9, she may be used to having money thrown at by guys for her attention. So it’s not her fault as an SB, but she being she and milking men as she goes thru life. You might have acted the same if you met her through a non-sugar source.

    2. You spent $1,200 on one who slept with you…the amount spent and the quality of sex has no relationship. The fact she honored her end of the bargain is all it counts.

    The rest of the “experience” is pretty typically so it’s neither here nor there. Spending $1,800 on 8 girls is peanuts.

    So if we remove the $7,000 hottie…then you don’t have much to complain about. Move ahead with caution using the advise provided so far and come back for specific advice as needed.

  103. closedforbusiness says:

    Thanks for the comments…yeah, I can say I am stupid…lesson learned. Here’s the breakdown

    #1: two meetings…tried to get her to go to a hotel after dinner on 2nd date: her answer – “I am not a prostitute”…looks: 7/10….total damage: 800

    #2: meet and greet + dinner: agreed to intimacy but not my type…passed…looks: 6/10….total damage: 200

    #3: meet and greet + cab fare + dinner: agreed to intimacy but did not show up for real meeting…looks: 7/10….total damage: 300

    #4: 2 dates: SCORED on this one but dead fish in bed….looks: 7/10….total damage: 1200

    #5: meet and greet only: bait and switch, much older and fatter than her pics….very desperate and unemployed, willing to do anything…even low balled her to get rid of her for the evening…even low ball didn’t work…told her explicitly that I don’t want to see her….looks: 4/10…..total damage: meet and greet/dinner/parking: 200

    #6: 8 dates: rinser….too mesmerized by her looks, you can say she was the girl of my dreams….even her profile says looking for a mutually beneficial relationship but a scam….excuses after excuses, no intimcay: looks: 9/10…total damage: 7000

    #7: meet and greet/dinner: pics outdated..5 years older than pics…willing to be intimate but not attracted to her…looks: 5.5/10….total damage: 150

    #8: meet and greet: willing to be intimate but did not show up after meet and greet…even confirmed meeting at noon on the same day but then went into silence mode….wasted hotel room….looks: 6.5/10….total damage: 300

    #9: meet and greet: wanted to wait and get allowance before being intimate…REJECT…looks: 6.5/10…..total damage: 100


    I got rinsed because girl #6 was too beautiful…I was thinking with the little head instead of the big head. The promise of being intimate the next time never came. I finally gave up.

    • closedforbusiness says:

      Addendum

      girl #1 has the words financial compensation in exchange for companionship. I thought she was with the program but apparently not.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Companionship does not mean sex. It means keeping you company. One of the buzz words the rinsers use. Never make assumptions. Always be clear about what you’re looking for in the beginning before money changes hands.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @Jaybird923: thanks…now I know some SBs like to play on semantics.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Another one is “looking for platonic but I’m open to more if there’s a connection” or any variation of that just move on.

        Looking for someone who’s not all about sex is another one

      • I disagree about companionship, Jay. I guess it could mean that for some, but I think it to mean intimacy rooted in friendship and respect, not just bang for bucks. Companionship, for me, is that space between friendship, intimacy and romance and girlfriend. When I say companionship, I mean I want to enjoy being with you, sharing with you, and look forward to the next time we’re together…because I enjoy you, not just because youre sharing an allowance. In the matter of semantics, if someone is only interested in a platonic relationship, I think that friendship rather than companionship would be more fitting.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @YGTBKM I agree with your definition of companionship. But in this case I was referring to The advice that the rinser give each other on tumblr. Saying you want platonic gets you nexted so they advise to use words that make it sound like you’re looking for sex without actually saying it. It extends the amount of time you can string a POT along. If he thinks there’s a possibility he still around for a bit like @Closedforbusiness did.

      • Anonymous says:

        I agree with Jay — companionship in an SB profile is a big rinser alert. Not always the case, but as an SD I proceed with caution when I see that.

      • @Jay

        Oh wow…advice and tutorials on the semantics of rinsing?? I had no idea that was a thing on tumb1r.

        There needs to be an updated list of words that the rinsers havent caught on to yet. Ha.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      I’m very upfront during the messaging stage. I tell the woman that I like to meet 2-3 times to see if we get along, low key meets, coffee, lunch, no intimacy expected, no allowances/cash.

      I also explain that I don’t pay until an arrangement has been agreed upon and consummated. As mentioned previously most genuine ones expect and understand that, the fakes and rinsers get pissed off but as it is still during message stage who cares and at least they are out of play.

      On the 2nd or 3rd meet if you feel they are genuine pay their travel, or provide some kind of gift, something to show you are genuine, or make it a nice dinner at a fancy place.

      Quality over Quantity every time and better to walk away than stick with something which will just waste your time and cash. Be open about what you want during the messaging stage as well and also find out what she wants.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @cryptic: I tried to be upfront after my debacle. Twice, I had no-show-no-call in scheduling for meet and greet. The latest happened today. Those ladies chicken out once they realize we don’t give out allowance for nothing in return. There is no free lunch. Luckily I didn’t lose any money on this one. That was the last straw in convincing me to give up.

      • Anonymous says:

        theres alot of flakes, paying them upfront isnt the answer however

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        What sort of girls do you go for? You want to try and avoid the Stripper types and the ones with the glamour photos. Best to go for the Girl Next Door types who are actually real and have humility.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @cryptic: yeah, I go for the GND type…6-7/10…the 9/10 was an anomaly. She was too hot….she got hit on all the type out on the streets.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @cryptic: yeah, I go for the GND type…6-7/10…the 9/10 was an anomaly. She was too hot….she got hit on all the ***time** out on the streets.

      • lurker says:

        You’re on the right track, but you need to add a few things.

        First date should be coffee/drinks and open-ended situation, so you can talk for an hour if you get along or quit after 5 minutes otherwise. If you like the girl and she is giving signals that she likes you back, go for a kiss. Doesn’t have to be a long kiss. You can learn a lot from this kiss. If you sense she didn’t like giving it, cut your losses now because she’s likely to flake (unless she’s the desperate sort who’ll do anything with her mouth for money, and you’ll a fool to want that sort). Ideally, pick a cafe/bar which you would be going to anyway, date or no date, just because you like to drink and relax a bit, so if she doesn’t show up, no big problem.

        Second date should be dinner. Discuss the arrangement, but also see if you can talk about other things. Avoid committing to a third date yet. If the conversation is stalling, cut your losses now, because she’s probably going to flake. After dinner, walk to her car and go for a long kiss/makeout sessions. If she doesn’t respond, cut your losses. Otherwise, during a break in the kissing, discuss the third date.

        Third date is for intimacy. If your plan is for a hotel room, make sure the reservation can be cancelled. Give her the money. She might take the money and then suddenly change her mind, though this shouldn’t happen if you’ve been paying attention to her body language during the kiss. Payment should be at the standard escort rate for your area ($300/hour or whatever).

        Eventually, the rate should be substantially lower than the escort rate on an hourly basis, though perhaps not on a meet basis. I’m assuming you actually have a SB-SD relationship, where there are some feelings involved, rather than an escort type relationship which is all business, and hence you and the SB enjoy each others company for more than just sex, and so enjoy spending several hours together. But even for escorts, the long-term repeat customer rate should be at most half the first-time rate, on an hourly basis, unless you’re the type who likes the rush things.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        LOL Are you fucking kidding me?

      • lurker says:

        About the rate being lower? Of course not. A typical SB can expect about $500 per meet, or roughly $2000/month if meeting weekly, but if its a true SB-SB relationship, then that meeting would last 5 hours, probably including intimacy [I hate using that word, is the S word verbotten on this forum?], dinner and some conversation, so the rate is $100 hour. Versus an escort rate of about $300/hour. I’m using figures that would be typical of most of the United States. Maybe up these numbers a bit for NYC. And obviously, there are high rollers who’ll pay a lot more, whether for SBs or escorts.

      • Anonymous says:

        @lurker….WTF? You just detailed a step by step guide on how to fuck an escort, not an SB. What is up with this “half the going rate” shit? Where did you come up with this mathematics?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’m confused. I think a lot is being lost in translation maybe you better explain it to us in simpler terms…

      • lurker says:

        Who waits for the 3rd date before sex with an escort? The half the going rate is because SB-SD relationships are not just about sex, so the amount of time is much less, hence the rate is going to be lower. I know the typical escort rate for places like Dallas, $300/hour gets a very attractive and very cooperative young woman’s body. What you don’t get is a deeper relationship and that is what SB-SD is about. Now if you want to believe TYPICAL SDs in Dallas are paying their SBs 5 x $300/hour = $1500 per weekly meeting, or $6000/month = $72K/year, then go ahead a believe that. To reiterate, I’m talking typical. Obviously, there are high-rollers who think nothing of dumping $20K for a weekend with the girl of their choice.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        So you’re not advocating paying/treating SBs like escorts, you’re just showing how cost effective it is to have an SB in the long run compared to hiring an escort?

      • lurker says:

        @jay: yes. The escort rate gives some idea of what the cost of human services is, and so relates the SB rate. You could also use the hourly rate for good lawyers or engineering consultants as a basis for comparison. All of those rates should go down a lot for buying in quantity, at least if the service professional is smart about what they are doing, and the more difficult, dangerous or unpleasant it is to get new clients, the more the discount for repeat customers. It is a lot of work for a SB to find a SD, so it makes sense for her to ask a lot for the first meet and then drop the rate substantially thereafter. Taking $300/hour as the rate for valuable services, she should be able to command $1000 for the first meeting of 3 hours and then drop to $500 per meeting thereafter for TYPICAL SB in a place like Dallas. Higher for NYC.

        I want to point out to the SBs, a lot of whom don’t seem too sharp, that encouraging businesslike behavior by both SBs and SDs is highly in their interests. Most SBs are currently earning $0/month, because most SDs are not willing to risk being ripped off like the OP and so most SDs just browse this site and use it for masturbation fantasies without every giving the SBs a penny.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Yeah that’s not much better than what I originally thought…. A good SB who’s reliable, honest, great company, intelligent, and active and enthusiastic partner in bed is hard to find also. Just look at the examples from @Closedforbusiness. So maybe you should give her a jump in allowance the longer she sticks around and continues to keep you happy.

        After all every year I work and continue to meet and beat performance goals my employer gives me a raise and a bonus because good employees are hard to find and any smart employer makes sure he keeps the goods ones happy so they don’t start looking around for another company to work for.

      • lurker says:

        @jay: The balance of power normally strongly shifts to the man after having sex, whether in a normal dating relationship, with an escort or with a SB. Once a woman has given herself sexually to a man, she has given most of what she has to offer, which is why most normal women hate it when the man doesn’t call again after sex (assuming the sex was good and she liked the man). Escorts harden themselves against this natural feeling, and that hardness is why the escort experience is not very good. Yes, men can fall in love too, even without sex, as seemed to happen with closedforbusiness with his $7000/woman, but generally speaking, young women are far more emotional than older men. This is one reason why the woman might want to ask for a larger amount of money the first time, so she doesn’t feel so used if the man doesn’t call back.

        What’s more, men often tire of women after a while, causing their value to the man to decline. “He no longer makes the same effort as when we first met” is a common complaint among women in regular dating relationships. Another reason to lower the rate after the first time.

        But if SB want to charge a discount for new customers, the way dentists sometimes do, that also makes sense, and might relieve some of the anxiety SDs feel about being setup for a scam if they give the SB money in the hotel room before rather than after getting naked. Another possibility is for SB and SD to play a game where he arranges $10 bills on her naked body. It would take quite a few of those at $500/meeting.

        My own solution has been and will be to properly vet the woman during the email exchanges and the first 2 dates, especially the kissing after the second date. Then I pay the woman the same rate at the first meeting as subsequent meetings, no initial customer discounts, no repeat customer discounts. I’ve had no problems with this policy. My biggest complaint is that I had to weed through so much garbage to find a decent SB. No one scammed me, and most of them were rejected on the coffee date, a few others on the dinner date, and none flaked after that. But it was very time-consuming to find that one good SB, which lasted a few months.

        If all the SBs on this site are having an easy time finding SDs, whether to scam or to form true SB-SD relationships with, then I take back my advice and admit that I’m clueless. But if most (not all, but most) SBs are making $0/month, then following my advice would be a way to improve this situation, by encouraging the good SDs and SBs and discouraging the bad.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        You just admitted how much work and effort it took you to find one decent SB. So once you’ve found that SB is it really worth having to go through the effort of searching again just because you couldn’t resist the urge to nickle and dime her because you have the power? The problem is everyone keeps thinking about an SD/SB arrangement as some form of employment. It should be a benefactor and his lover that’s it.

        If she’s asking $1,500 and it falls in your budget is it really worth it to see if you can get her down to $1,000? If you give what she’s asking for or even a little above that say $1,750 what reason does she have to look else where? (assuming you’re treating her with respect)

        MOst women once they found what they’re looking for will stop the search. The only one’s who continue are the “career SBs” and the one’s who aren’t happy or feel like they got taken advantage of.

      • lurker says:

        Offering more money would not have kept that SB around because I was the one who broke it off, though we both knew it was time. We had a good relationship while it lasted, and then it stopped being good. I gave her a cash gift as a going away present.

        Your argument about going from $1500 to $1750 could be extended ad absurdum. What sort of man argues about $1? So if $1750 is okay, why not $1751, which means why not $1752 and so on to infinity. I’ve already written a lot here and I don’t want to bore people by reciting a lot of economics mumbo-jumbo about how prices are set in a free market. Suffice to say, my budget is $2000 for the woman, plus hotel, dinner and other expenses. The same offer for everyone who meets my criteria, neither more nor less.

        Being businesslike is good policy in ALL areas of life. It’s fools who think otherwise.

      • lurker says:

        That’s $2000/month (or actually $500/weekly meeting). I don’t want to put on fancy airs about being a high-roller :)

      • Anonymous says:

        dont be afraid to bore us, i am sure most of us arent reading that long diatribe anyway

      • Jaybird923 says:

        You totally missed the point but that’s ok. Whenever people start making statements like this “Being businesslike is good policy in ALL areas of life. It’s fools who think otherwise.” that totally disregard other points of views I loose interest in continuing the discussion anyways so no need to worry about boring everyone.

      • lurker says:

        You obviously read enough of my last post to get to where I used the word “bore”.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @ lurker: you are awesome! Great rules/commandments.

        I am not even actively searching but a SB contacted me from the site. Everything went well until I dropped the bomb…offer of allowance is contingent upon consummation of intimacy. Those words are like krytonite. Complete silence. So many rinsers out there.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Those were Josh’s rules actually…

    • rembodler says:

      Ok..this is easy.
      You broke the Golden Rule # 1 of Sugar Dating.
      1. No Money Upfront. Ever. No Exceptions.

      If you ever have any doubts, misgivings, urges… check Rule # 1.

      All of us, at some point, broke this rule. I know I did. Only to realize how wrong I was.
      Best of luck, buddy.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @rembodler: Yes thanks for the advice…..I wish I had read this blog earlier instead of going in cowboy style.

      • Anonymous says:

        i broke it, but it worked out and it was only $100 i western unioned

      • Anonymous says:

        Also, there is no reason to show more patience just because the girl is hot, they will be ready in just the same time as everyone else if they ever will be.

    • SexyRockstar says:

      Wait wait wait.
      Are those the amounts you GAVE to the girls?
      If not, then that’s not wasted money on sugar babies, just money you spent on dates.

      If you go on non sugar dates, you’d be spending that money any way, and not getting laid on the first date anyway and not bitch about it on a blog, maybe a Facebook status.

      • elaine says:

        @ Sexy

        What you are saying makes a lot of sense.
        Of the total amount spend of $10.000 he spend $ 7000 to 1 girl, and $1200 to another…

      • Kore says:

        @Sexy I haven’t dated much, but there’s no way I’d let a guy spend 7000 on me over 8 dates. Only if he insisted that we do some fancy things that I couldn’t afford.

        If I were interested in a relationship, I’d find it a bit embarrassing. If it were for casual sex, I’d insist that we do things that I could afford as well – buying him a few drinks/dinners in return.

        I know that men are providers, but I wouldn’t let someone think I can be bought.

      • I agree, Kore.

        It is rarely the case that a man involved in a platonic friendship with someone he finds attractive will not desire more. From my experience, the tension of knowing he wants more despite my lack of sexual attraction is a very uncomfortable situation when gift-giving is involved.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        My advice is never take things from men you aren’t interested in

      • Kore says:

        @YGBKM Yes, exactly.

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @SexyRockStar

        All amount stated include allowance and expenses. Girl #6 pocketed 5000. 2000 was spent on dinners, 2 weekend getaways, etc.

      • Anonymous says:

        After all of this, do you think she was worth that?

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @ Anonymous says:
        “After all of this, do you think she was worth that?”

        Not at all! Each time, I thought next time I led to believe I was gonna “get some”. It’s like gambling, you lose and you want to keep playing to win some back. I should have cut my losses early.

    • Kore says:

      @closed Girl 6 cost you 7000? 😀 Looking at it objectively, these stories make the SD look kind of cute.. And it’s funny. 😛

      Well, you can always ask the SBs if they are open to intimacy. Just next the ones who say they need time to decide after viewing your pictures. I have a feeling (dicussed previously) that most women know how far they are willing to go from the start (after knowing what you look like and how much the allowance is)..

      • Anonymous says:

        I do not believe most women think of it that way. Some might be closed for no intimacy in whatever circumstances, so this might not have anything to do with the guy, rather than an ideal, a thing they have made up their mind about and won’t bulge from it. Don’t take it personally.

      • Kore says:

        @Anon Of course not. :) My last post doesn’t reflect what I personally do.. Sure, the reasons for not having intimacy can be solely from the girl, from the start. I just meant for those who are.

        As much as SA is different from regular dating, it is still very subject to regular male-female social structures.

        I have to say.. I have nexted SDs who I didn’t find attractive (clear face public pictures + impersonal one liner opening message).

      • closedforbusiness says:

        @Kore

        It is not funny. In hindsight, it’s stupid. Girl #6 stated she wanted a “mutually beneficial relationship” in her profile…so I didn’t ask. I thought she’s with the program after “offering companionship in exchange for financial compensation”.

        In fact, I never had to ask until now! We all know what we are looking for.

        After #6, I am more upfront and met 3 POTs but no winners yet. I am kind of fed up and just want to hang up my sign and close for business.

      • Anonymous says:

        No we all do not know what we are looking for. Because believe it or not, there are platonic arrangements in the sugarbowl, though rare. And there also are some who do not take allowances, even though rarer. Have you seen any of SA’s or Brandon’s videos on YT? They all advocate platonic.

      • Kore says:

        @Closed “In hindsight, it’s stupid.” Exactly why it’s kind of cute and funny. Rather laugh than cry about it? Shit happens, you learn and move on. Sure, you lost a significant sum of money, but you’re not living in a cardboard box now because of it. In some time, you won’t regret it anymore.

        Don’t take these things personally… I’ve seen plenty of men dumb down for pretty girls and some don’t even realize it. It happens to every man at some point, via SA or not.

        TBH, SA is pretty slow.. It takes time. Ask early on what they are open to. If they are open to intimacy. That would be my advice. You might come across as a bit rude, but if they aren’t what you are looking for, you save time and you won’t be meeting them anyway. If they start some drama over it, then I suppose they’re too high maintainance for a good time anyway?

        When POTs write me, I ask them early on what they are expecting from the arrangement. Some are too shy(?) about it, so I think it helps that I take the first step with this.

        I dislike not knowing what exactly is expected of me. I think other SBs might feel the same way… If they are really interested, they will ask you the right questions instead of being vague.

      • Kore says:

        @Anon Of course they advocate platonic with prostitution being illegal in the U.S. “Get money for platonic,” appeals more to the masses than, “find a fuck buddy who may or may not be your type who will pay for you.”

    • AnonymousSSSD says:

      Stop spending $200-$300 on meet and greets. Jeez!!! Just meet for drinks and coffee. I normally do coffee date at Starbucks. $10-15 and done.

  104. cryptic anomaly says:

    In regards to the discussion earlier about Salt SD’s. I wish SB’s could understand what that term means. It is a SD who uses deception and/or manipulation to get what they want and rips off the SB.

    If a SD is straight up offering dinner and travel fare in exchange for sex and the SB accepts these terms than that is not “Salty” that is an open agreement where both parties know what the deal is going in. Not every SB on here wants big money, quite a few just want to be wined and dined and are willing to show their appreciation in return.

    • IHF2030 says:

      An appreciative sugarbaby would be nice.

    • Anonymous says:

      If a SD is straight up offering dinner and travel fare in exchange for sex and the SB accepts these terms than that is not “Salty”…

      Then that ‘SD’ should stop using SA and move onto MissTravel. That’s where they exchange platonic, casual and some nsa relationships for travel. Sometimes salty, or maybe it is a John, is referred to a guy who is pretty cheap to be a SD (meaning can’t afford it) but still chooses to be one.

      • Anonymous says:

        Why?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Actually that’s what a splenda daddy is? Someone who’s not a high roller but still wants to participate in the lifestyle. He can’t give you Louboutins but he’ll get you some Nine West.

  105. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay- In regards to the Vag question, I think you will find that most men probably will accept whatever provided they don’t have to go down on the woman if she has a Vag that they don’t like the appearance of. If it is just vaginal sex I don’t think too many would walk away as they aren’t seeing it anyway.

    I think if a man was strongly opposed to the appearance than of course he will be less inclined to go face to face with it as it were..

    • Anonymous says:

      well as for me cryptic, if i am not going down on a woman, im not going to be with her period, so it does matter, quite a bit actually

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        Fair enough, I was just trying to give an overview type answer. I have seen some that are a bit messy looking which decreases my desire to go down on them at times but generally I am open minded about the different types to a certain degree.

      • Anonymous says:

        If I wanted to eat a roast beef sandwich, I would go to Arby’s.

      • Anonymous says:

        Then maybe some women should stop going down on some guys whose balls look like an old grandpa’s forehead and their dick is purplish veined.

      • *contains no graphic images

        [http://www.someecards.com/love/dating-relationships/unsolicited-dick-pics-unwanted-sexts-shutdown-dick-pics/]

    • Jaybird923 says:

      lol @Face to face… I swear I didn’t expect this reaction or I wouldn’t have posted it.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        lol it is the first expression that came to my mind! I find it an interesting discussion, after all you might be putting this body part in your mouth so the way it looks will come into play.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Now if a woman wouldn’t go down on you for the same reason would you be understanding and accept her decision?

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        In a way, yes I would be understanding, it is a very intimate act even if the Generation Why? don’t believe it to be and in terms of accepting, I don’t have much choice in the matter so sure.

      • Anonymous says:

        i would totally understand a woman not going down on me cause my labia is too big

      • Anonymous says:

        I have never had a woman say no to blow me because of how my penis looks, my penis looks perfect, all one color, no bumps, nice helmet, it is quite pretty actually

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Really? You’d be okay with a woman telling you she won’t blow you because your penis looks disgusting? I’m not hundred percent sure I’m buying that. I think most guys would have a hissy fit and end things

      • Anonymous says:

        absolutely i would be fine with it, but it is irrelevant, my penis is very pretty looking, look i wouldnt make a woman tongue my ass

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Anonymous I would need to see it for myself. Please see instructions below on how to properly photograph the penis and send to my email address :-))

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        @Jay- You asked if I would be accepting and understanding of it. Of course it would be a disappointment especially if I really liked her. But short of assault there wouldn’t be much I could do about it. Needless to say it would also kill my mood for sex, if she was still open to that.

        I’ve never had that problem though.

      • Anonymous says:

        only if i get a pic of your labia in return, i dont need your approval, i know what a penis should look like, and that is how mine looks

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        “@Anonymous I would need to see it for myself. Please see instructions below on how to properly photograph the penis and send to my email address :-))”

        Jayslineup at cockadoodleme dot com

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Ah, Anonymous doesn’t recognize a joke. I thought the :-)) made that obvious maybe I should used one of these :-) ?

      • Anonymous says:

        what did you expect?

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        To be fair, I think we all knew you were kidding but most of us still want to send you a cock shot anyway. lol

      • Jaybird923 says:

        What did I expect you guys reaction to be or is this in reference to the humorless anon?

      • Anonymous says:

        your expected reaction

      • Anonymous says:

        to be fair….sarcasm doent text well

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Cryptic LMAO Pretty penis contest?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        My expected reaction? I thought most of you guys would say you didn’t care. Two tits and a hole… who knew you guys cared what the entrance to the hole looked like. You learn something new everyday

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        Thought you might like that one Jay!

        As I said, if a man just wants to stick his dick in that hole than I doubt he will care much about flappage etc. If he wanted to go down on her then it might present issues.

      • Anonymous says:

        and from my perspective, if i dont want to go down on you, this will be very short, I dated a girl last year that i broke up with after a month because i couldnt go down on her, and that is not they type of relationship i want

      • noname says:

        what you mentioned is rare buti accept that the human body is not perfect so for me its not a deal breaker im more interested in how hot she is in her attitude and her desire to please me

      • I met a guy who, after we’d met, sent a picture of his penis. Asked if I liked it. I didnt see the email until a little while after he’d sent it, and the following email from him stated that he guesses I dont like his penis. It actually wasnt a very attractive penis, but I was more intrigued than put-off that he sent it. It made me wonder if he has had experiences where women found it unattractive, or if he had some sort of complex because he knew it was less than attractive. Said he just wanted to get it out of the way sooner than later.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @YGTBKM That’s sad. Poor guy. Did you date him?

      • He disappeared. I tried responding to him in a way that was reassuring, but I think he needed me to explicitly state that I was attracted to my penis, which would have been weird to me even if his penis was highly attractive. It’s just never been a precursor for me in a sexual encounter…let alone a precursor initiated via email.

        It was interesting because I wouldve never expected that to be an issue based on our conversations, his looks, success etc. He’s actually quite handsome.

        I do have a friend who had to have a surgical procedure on his penis. He had some scarring that healed well, but was a little insecure about having sex with someone again. He asked if I would be open to sleeping with him again since we did date at one time, and I was familiar with his performance. I did, and it was comparable to what Id experienced with him in the past. He does pretty well for himself these days. Doesnt have hangups about it.

  106. Jaybird923 says:

    Woman asking man for advice…

    Issue: “I need some honest opinions. For as long as I can remember, my lady parts have been something of great shame to me. My inner labia hangs twice as low as my outer lips. For this reason, I won’t ever let anyone go down on me because I can’t bear to let them come face-to-face with such an unsightly vag. As a result, I’ve never had a satisfying sexual encounter. I am seriously considering labiaplasty and just want my last words of advice from you.”

    Advice: Do it!! It will change your entire life. Hanging lips are disgusting.

    Question: Is he in the minority or do most guys really care what the Vag looks like?

    Note: I had to google it to see what she was talking about.

    • Anonymous says:

      do it, most guys DO care

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Really? I never even gave a thought until I came across this post. This is totally stupid but I never really thought they looked all that different but apparently they do. I found a site called labia library when I did my search that has several different examples. It was … let’s call it interesting. lol

        [http://www.labialibrary.org.au/photo-gallery/#]

      • elaine says:

        Interesting topic and library 😉

        I wonder, is there any “unacceptable” vag on these pics for you guys?
        In the sense of “uneatable” ?

      • cryptic says:

        @Elaine – Not thrilled with 2nd one from Left bottom row.

      • elaine says:

        @Cryptic

        Hey that is funny, is that because of all the pubic hair?

        I am not that excited about pussies, but for me 2nd row, 2nd looks most unattractive, as does 4th row, 1st.

        And in general everything with hair on it! :-(

      • Kore says:

        One has a wart, one isn’t clean, another hasn’t bothered to shave all of her hair.. Vaginas aren’t that attractive to me either, but.. What if I said that half of these don’t really look that great? I see a difference between them.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        3rd row 2nd column and 4th row 3rd column

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      It doesn’t bother me and I realize there are different types/looking vagina’s. I think it would be really dull if they were all the same.

    • Anonymous says:

      Unless I see a photo I would not know if they need labiaplasty or not. But the bottomline is that plump symmetrical labia of any “shape” without much random flesh sticking out is better than otherwise.

    • Anonymous says:

      no one wants to be with a woman who looks like a deli counter exploded in her panties

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Ok here’s another question… Is it unattractive enough to you to be a deal breaker?

      • Anonymous says:

        yes, eventually

      • Jaybird923 says:

        lol Eventually? What does that even mean? You’ll sleep with her until you can’t stand it anymore…

      • Anonymous says:

        it means, sleep with her once, twice, maybe 2 times, but will better deal her when it presents itself, of course if she is awesome in every other way, it MAY not be a total deal breaker, how a vagina looks aesthetically is VERY important

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I think I need a larger pool of guys to answer the question before I accept that appearance is really that important the majority of guys.

      • Attica M says:

        Omg…
        Using this to jugde dicks now.
        Can’t have it looking like a dead turtle had. Lol.

        It’s bad enough they all want you shaved and look like your 9 down there but have large breast, wear little to no make up, have curves. Oh Lord, now your pussy lips can’t look like pussy lips. Lol fuck all that shit. Can’t wait till sex robots are perfected.

      • Attica M says:

        Wish my pussy lips were long and meaty as fuck so i could drag them across anons face.

    • Anonymous says:

      [http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2686/4889/original.jpg]

    • AnonymousBaby says:

      She should do it only to make herself happy, hopefully she doesn’t go in Mexico or Brazil to have it done and comeback with an even more atrocious “vagin”… A pretty vagin surely would help, or no lip service until then. :)

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t do it. Everyone is different and it really doesn’t matter. Perhaps you’ve been watching too much porn where women are chosen on their looks (down there as well).
      And as for it preventing you letting a man go down on you…omg…
      Do you think a guy with a dinky dinky would say no to a lady doing that ?? Yes he might be self conscious but he wouldn’t deny himself pleasure.
      Learn to embrace your looks and try not to have a hangup over this. Life’s too short ! X

    • Bartolo says:

      If I’m attracted to the woman generally, and she’s clean, well-groomed, etc., I’ll go there. I like to give pleasure that way, and it gives me pleasure to do so. Vive la difference. Variations in anatomical “lay-out” do not turn me off.

    • noname says:

      jaybird i don’t have acess to the pictures you have seen but i have seen this condition once in my life its not a pretty site so although im not in favour of corrective sugery in this case it would help

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I didn’t see any pictures. She wrote in to ask for that guy’s advice. And hhe told her to do it cause it was disgusting. I thought he was just being a prick and that’s why I posted it here thinking most guys wouldn’t care. But I was totally wrong.

        The last thing I want is to fuel anyone’s insecurities or make anyone self conscious about their bodies who had no prior issues until reading the comments here.

      • noname says:

        ok thanks for that jay in any case it wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me

  107. Anonymous says:

    So far SA has advertised on this blog Let’s Talk Sugar, Perfect Arrangement, WYP, let’s see what they’ll do with Open Minded :)

    • Anonymous says:

      As long as they keep creating idiotic new ventures without getting Brandon’s mother involved, they will keep failing.

      • SweetZoe says:

        SA would be a huge success if they took the same concept of Perfect Arrangement and ran with it. Verify each and every member on the site, get rid of the hookers/pros and so called S.Ds who are “johns” and portray their profile as such, (nothing’s wrong with them, just not for me). Also, make sure the Sugar Babies are who they say they are (weight/scams etc) but charge the Sugar Daddies 20% higher fees for much better services instead of the ridiculous prices of P.A.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        @sweet zoe – Perhaps but I don’t think it would last too long, I don’t think too many men wealthy or not are going to be keen to basically risk $10k plus on meeting a woman they may not even like.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        P.S I think charging the women even a small fee would help reduce a lot of the time wasters.

      • Anonymous says:

        @SweetZoe

        I don’t think that SA is mentally capable of running it as an honest-to-goodness service. Their marketing idiots think take SA as a raw funnel to create a variety of idiotic services.

        Brandon’s mother needs to take charge and few heads need to roll before we will see sense prevailing around here.

      • Anonymous says:

        Cryptic, perfect arrangement is what is says it offers, perfect arrangements. You choose your preferred and verified POT there, so with all of the things and photos stated there, how can a person turn out to be somebody they did not like. Same thing with men’s incomes and networths. All of those are mismatched and fake. What are they thinking?

      • noname says:

        sweetzoe yes it would help but it won’t work if you get rid of all the SD’S that can’t verify their wealth and income who is going to provide the monthly fees for SA they won’t accept a greatly reduced income to provide a much better sugar exprience and i agree with cryptic a small fee for the ladies would help weed out the time wasters on the SB side

      • Anonymous says:

        His mother?

  108. cryptic anomaly says:

    In addition to what I believe is Josh’s tips below I am going to add,

    11. No money exchanges hands until the Arrangement is consummated. As Closed for Business was saying below he blew a lot of money on many SB’s and nothing happened. This is his fault not the SB’s. Make it clear that no money will occur until Arrangement is agreed upon and consummated. If she is a decent and genuine woman she will realize this is fair, if she is a flake, rinser etc than she won’t meet you if you are smart enough to tell her this during the messaging stage.

    12. Don’t be scared to walk away, even if the woman looks like the girl of your dreams there will be another one who looks just like her coming online real soon.

    • Anonymous says:

      Never go on a meet and greet or first date horny. Take care of it yourself or pay someone to take care of it for you before your meeting. That way, you can think with the BIG head instead of the LITTLE head.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Cryptic

      You are correct. It was from me. :)

      When I post under the @Josh moniker the crazies of the blog come out of the woodwork to outdo each other to post idiotic prose…

      Therefore I post under @Anonymous to save unsuspecting readers from such nonsense.

      • Anonymous says:

        So the problem lies within you, if you feel that the unsuspecting readers are wrong in this one. It is you, not them. A whole bunch of people can’t be wrong, but a single person can.

      • Anonymous says:

        Since you are a woman you can’t be bothered with cause and effect. If the problem was with what was being written, then people would be ganging up on the writings all the same…whether written under @Josh or @Anonymous.

        The reason they gang up on @Josh is because it makes it easy for them to dismiss logical writing in one-shot.

    • Anonymous says:

      12. This is really stupid and nonsense. Not all women are the same, not all men are the same. Not in looks, not in personality and nothing will EVER change that.

  109. Anonymous says:

    If you follow some simple rules you will not waste much money on the rinsers and scammers.

    1. Stick with Minimal, Practical and Negotiable women. They are as good a the rest but may have come to the sugarbowl with more humility.

    2. The Moderate, Substantial and High women have “all or nothing” mentality and will never by happy regardless of what you do for them.

    3. Make it very clear that the first meeting is non-obligatory meet & greet. You don’t expect any “specific performance” from them and they should not expect anything from you other than coffee, drinks or meal.

    4. Refuse to prove that you are real by fronting anything money or gifts or favors. The exceptions are taxi, parking, babysitting, etc.

    5. Refuse to agree to “take it slow” approach as a woman knows within 30 seconds of meeting a new man if she’s going to sleep with him or not. The rest is bullshit.

    6. Try to understand her monetary needs that brought her to the sugarbowl, and how you can help.

    7. If her expectations are within your range, then make a decent offer. If they are not then make it plain and end the meet & greet amicably. At this point you can make a decision if you want to give her some money or gift IF she put an effort to provide you with a fine and enjoyable time.

    8. If she wants to get monthly allowance, then agree to it and offer to pay at the end of the month OR leave it up to her if she wants to get it in installments every time you two meet.

    9. 100% of them will go for installments as they don’t want to risk it with end-of-month arrangements. Now they don’t feel like a prostitute but like an astute woman.

    10. Negotiating anything with a woman is a bizarre experience but they have something you want and you have to play by their rules, within reason.

    • rembodler says:

      These are really good “SA for Dummies” rules.
      I agree with what was said here, A) SA is a pussy paradise and B) if you spent 5K and got no good arrangements, the fault lies with you.
      There are plenty of genuine, pretty and intelligent, women on SA who will be grateful for what you will provide. Follow these simple rules and enjoy.

      • Anonymous says:

        B) The fault lies that he might be very unattractive, poor hygiene, not sociable and intelligent, awkward and creepy… No amount of money will ever change that, so he should change himself first, instead of trying to change others.

      • Kore says:

        @Anon I don’t know how anyone can earn enough money if he were most of those things you mentioned. The only points I can see there that might apply are physical unattractiveness and awkwardness.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I agree except for rule #5. If she wants to take it slow while she’s receiving an allowance than move on. Otherwise if you like her give her chance to get to know you. I wouldn’t do more than 2-3 dates though.

    • Anonymous says:

      Correct…#5 could have been written more clearly to allow for a reasonably short and platonic “take it slow” period as long as she does not require allowance during that period of time.

    • Traveling Man says:

      Great list Josh! Especially the comment about sticking to Minimal, Negotiable, Practical women, much more realistic in every way, the ones who think they are high end are just High!,

    • Anonymous says:

      So you like those that have the whatever I can get mentality. Maybe those moderate girls have a goal in mind, and to reach that they cannot pick up the scraps.

    • Anonymous says:

      100% of them will go for installments as they don’t want to risk it with end-of-month arrangements.

      So why should she risk it with that, instead of you risking it with beginning-of-month arrangements. Any one who goes for p4p is an escort, including the male who solicits her. He is a pimp instead.

    • Anonymous says:

      Since you’re an idiot, it’s useless to respond to any of your musings.

    • Attica M says:

      Interesting

    • Anonymous says:

      I am not meeting someone even without obligation unless I know we are financially or sexually compatible. I would rather text and chat for a while. I just had a girl on SA request 2K a month to only meet once a month for a few hours, most girls are a few hours away so saved a wasted trip to Starbucks with the above guide lines.

  110. elaine says:

    Update as promised on my two American pot’s:

    #1. He called last week if we could meet, as he passed at 2,5 hours distance from where I live and he wanted to change his route and drive an extra 500 km. to come and see me.
    But it was too short notice for me.
    Then some days Iater I had to fly to his city for another reason, and I adviced him, but he couldn’t free himself at the time I was available.
    And then silence. Now he has cancelled his profile. Weird…

    #2. We might meet this week, waiting for his reaction on my proposal.

    First experience with an American pot was not very promising so far, so we’ll see ….

  111. closedforbusiness says:

    In one of the earlier blog articles, one SD claimed that he spend 26k on 24 girls over an 18 month period and only 4 resulted in intimacy. This year over a 8 month period, I spent 10k (allowance + expense) on 9 girls and only 1 resulted in intimacy. I would say at least 8k was wasted. The girls on this site are mainly: fakes, flakes, rinsers, and ugly ducklings. I am not playing any more!

    • Anonymous says:

      it isnt the girls that are the problem, the issue is you are a fool, and a sucker……too bad for you

    • Anonymous says:

      As someone has classified this site before…this is a pussy paradise. That does not automatically mean that the pussy is going to play ball with you just because you spend money.

      It seems that you did not vet the ladies properly before starting to spend money on them.

      If you give more detail…the same way the other guy did…then some of us may be able to tell you where you went wrong and how to avoid such mistakes in the future if you changed your mind and play the field more productively.

    • Anonymous says:

      I have only spent less than $500 in past 24 month that did not produce any results…and have had intimacy with several of them for a very cost-effective allowances…

      Why? I vet them thoroughly either online OR, preferably, during our no-obligation first meet & greet.

      • Anonymous says:

        A John, a salty, a scammer. Here he is ladies and gents! ☆

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s all relative, you miserable rinser who gets off on the fake $15,000 per monthly platonic arrangements.

        I don’t deal with Moderate, Substantial or High allowance women. So I am not abusing anyone here.

      • Anonymous says:

        How am I a rinser please explain. I never said I was in the sugarbowl. I just observe but what you said would qualify as being a John. Just sayin

      • Anonymous says:

        First of all, you claim that you are not in the sugarbowl, then why on earth you would comment on something you have no first-person understanding of?

        Explain how would it qualify as either a “John”, or “salty” or “scammer”?

        This website has:

        Minimal (Up to $1000/month)
        Practical (Up to $3,000/month)

        So according to your idiotic understanding if a man is not entertaining Moderate (Up to $5,000/month) Substantial (Up to $10,000/month) or High (More than $10,000/month), then he is a “John”, “salty” or “scammer”?

      • Anonymous says:

        You are a “rinser” because you did not like a man who only got scammed with $500 the most, and who does not provide free money for meet & greet.

        Note: I did provide babysitting money to one 22 year-old who did not ask for it but I thought that she could use it.

      • Anonymous says:

        You are also a scammer because you had no sympathetic comment for the SD who lost at least $8,000 to scammers…but you found it important to cut another SD down because who tried to help the man who is out $8,000 already and pretty much set to leave the sugarbowl.

        AND, by your own admission, you’re not in the sugarbowl to start off with.

      • Anonymous says:

        *he tried…

      • Anonymous says:

        You are also a scammer because you had no sympathetic comment for the SD who lost at least $8,000 to scammers

        A scammer because she has no sympathy. I do not have sympathy for idiots either. He should have talked that ish before he gave away the money. I think it is common sense to talk about an arrangement and expectations before handing out the monthly allowance.

    • flyR says:

      “I spent 10k (allowance + expense) on 9 girls and only 1 resulted in intimacy. I would say at least 8k was wasted. The girls on this site are mainly: fakes, flakes, rinsers, and ugly ducklings. I am not playing any more!”

      Talk about snatching defeat from the lips of victory ……….. Either you or your selection process are terribly flawed. $10K in an absolutely incompetent manner should have at least had 10-20 consummated meetings .

      If you do nothing other than establish the POF rule this could not happen.

      • Anonymous says:

        so true -you can’t help it

        I had 60 beddings for $10,000 @ $166.oo /POP If you can’t get laid once/week in the Sugar Bowl you should quit

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m the “loser” that spent too much and didn’t get much in return. Advice here has been helpful. Been talking with one girl and would have easily fallen into same trap of hand outs. I called her out directly and said dates on my dime to get to know each other and feel comfortable was fine, but wasn’t offering up then full set of benefits until she did the same. She wanted me to “be generous” and she would be “open to a relationship”. I deleted her # and moved on. Fine, time wasted (which sucks), but not scammed and onto the next. Maybe she wasn’t attracted to me – thats cool, I get that. But ironically, I would have been glad to have helped her however she wanted if she was equally serious about me. At the least, it’s been empowering and made me remember its a man’s world. I do agree, most girls on this site are awful, but I feel there are some good ones out therr and those that are serious can be “converted” from rinsers if you hold your ground.

      • FormerAnon says:

        my first bit of advice to you is before you go on a first date to try and see if there is a chance of working an arrangement you need to go to one of those asian “tanning” places and tip them an extra hundred to make sure you are completely and totally worn out

        it is like eating before you go to the grocery store it is how you avoid coming home with a bunch of stuff that you should not have purchased and then eating most of it shortly after you get home

        the next bit of advice is instead of looking at as an adversarial situation (you Vs her each trying to get the “best deal”) instead simply ask yourself if it seems too good to be true or too easy….if it is simply too good to be true and seems to easy then it is and move on (like you did recently)

        as others have stated on here before a girl knows if you “worthy” probably not long after you meet if not before you meet from your profile and your back and forth emails ect……if she has to “think about it” or “have your generosity convince her” move on she will never want to sleep with you…..if the only common interest you have with her is you have money and she wants money….move on…..if you cannot find a way to have a discussion about things that you would want to do on at least the next three dates (besides take her nice places and spend money on her) you have no common interest move on

        last bit of advice is be realistic with your potential arrangements…..if you are looking at a girl and thinking that back when you were her age she would have wanted nothing to do with you….and now 20 years later the only thing that has changed is you are 20 years older and you have more money in the bank well it is not going to happen…if you still have zero in common with her (other than the finances), you are still a fashion disaster, out of shape, have poor hygiene, you are still not that worldly or sociable or educated…..well either work on yourself first and try again or shoot lower (and shooting lower is really not something to aim for)

        if all you have to offer is money then all you are going to find interested in you is those that seek your money and they will often be looking to do as little as possible to get it

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Yay! Good for you! :-)) I’m glad the advice you received was helpful.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Former good advice except for the Asian tanning nonsense.

      • Anonymous says:

        Forget about Asian suntanning salons. Take trips to Germany if you have shortage of pussy in your life.

      • @Jay

        The Asian Tanning suggestion helps him to think with his big head once he gets to the date. I sometimes masturbate before I going into situations where I need to think rationally or show a little restraint. Am quite often hyperstimulated, so it’s really necessary sometimes. It means fewer thoughtgasms and sharper focus.

      • ***Addendum***

        You can simply rub one out, and not risk being caught up in a human trafficking and prostitution sting, as sometimes happens with Asian “Spas” and such.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I have no problem with him taking the edge off just not at one of those parlors. 1) Most of the women are there through human trafficking 2) Those places get raided all the time. The last thing you want to do is to get caught up in some sting operation.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I really have to refresh the page more often :-))

      • Ha. Yeah, I got a flyer on my car window for one once. Went to the website…seemed way sketchy. I know a guy who goes to one almost every week for a one-hour foot massage. Are guys really into that? Going to a parlor to have only their feet massaged for an hour?? This place is in a mall. The guy says it’s legit. Tried to get the juicy details, but he held firm. Ha.

      • Anonymous says:

        At the least, it’s been empowering and made me remember its a man’s world.

        What the f^*#?

    • Traveling Man says:

      My experience was completely the opposite, lots of fantastic evenings!!

  112. Anonymous says:

    Has anyone had a bjs only arrangement?

    • Had a pb&j arrangement once. Pretty creamy.

    • Anonymous says:

      So you gave the man bj’s and he gave you pbj’s?

    • Anonymous says:

      I’ve had a bj arrangement and he paid for the luxurious apartment (for 1 year), but most SDs on S.A will want the full deal, with the bj, of course :)

      • Ha.

        Let the backlash begin 😀

      • Anonymous says:

        Sound like an arrangement I’d try. Hopefully there is a bj obsessed man out there who would be into this one. Of course I’d do it for at least half an hour straight. Better than platonic, right?

      • Anonymous says:

        ANYTHING that does not involve pussy or asshole is a good thing.

      • Anonymous says:

        After all a hole is a hole…

      • Anonymous says:

        Not really. Many girls don’t have much problem if they suck your dick (if they are into it of course) or if you play with their holes with your hands or tongue.

        Most of them have problem with dick entering their pussy or asshole. THAT’s what they classify sex.

      • Anonymous says:

        They got their sex education from Bill Clinton’s sex education class.

      • Anonymous says:

        Sex is pretty much intercourse so yeah. The rest is either foreplay which still can lead to ejaculation, and playing with toys either by yourself or someone else still isn’t sex.

      • elaine says:

        My God… But really?

        “Most of them have problem with dick entering their pussy or asshole. THAT’s what they classify sex.”

        “Sex is pretty much intercourse so yeah. The rest is either foreplay which still can lead to ejaculation, and playing with toys either by yourself or someone else still isn’t sex”

        Now THIS is exactly what we call “American Hypocrite” in the rest of the world!
        You Americans really have some seriously messed up ideas about sex…..

        “I didn’t have sexual intercourse with that woman”
        The whole world wetted it’s pants of laughter after that text.
        In the US a president saved his ass with it. LOL

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes I have. Apparently the guy had a fetish of that, and was kinda embarrassed about it but I made him feel comfortable, and the arrangement lasted 8 months.

      The allowance was 2.5k for at least 6 meet ups per month, maybe more. So pretty reasonable too.

  113. Anonymous says:

    When you gotto go, you gotta go.

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVCGruTB3A]

  114. Anonymous says:

    About Me
    I’m a fun outgoing 18 year old. I’m tired of dating guys who can’t even afford to take me out to dinner.

    What I’m looking for
    I just want a guy who is funny and easy to talk to.

    • Dovetail says:

      My standards will never be this simple.

      Are you:
      Intelligent? Can you keep up with me in conversation?
      Dominant but not arrogant, with an understanding of the difference?
      Self-sufficient, looking for someone to walk beside you, instead of someone who will either carry you or walk beneath you?
      Emotionally and mentally available, as well as physically?
      Look for quality, over quantity, or whatever is available to you?
      Open minded?
      Able to have a meaningful relationship, but without expectations?
      NOT marriage minded, and looking for someone to marry and have children with? (It’s not that this is something that I’m permanently closed off to, but if you start your relationships with the subconscious assumption that the person that you are seeing is going to be “the one” fairy tale, please move along.)
      Un-entitled, without the assumption that your success or financial balance automatically makes you God’s gift to woman, or that because of these things, the woman you meet “owes you” something? (It is what it is, it will be what it will be, and me having a coffee and a conversation does not mean that a relationship will follow, or intimacy will follow, or that we are a match and now “dating”, etc. You should get my drift.)

  115. Anonymous says:

    Is anyone still using Hushed for texting?

    • Uh huh

      Sometimes there are text delays, slow image processing, poor call reception. There isnt an exact time stamp for messages…only gives approximate minutes, hours or days ago a message was sent or received. Sometimes miss calls while trying to access.

      I keep the app on a separate screen. It’s password protected. Be sure to control notifications through the privacy settings on your phone. If you disable notifications, youll have to check back periodically to access messages periodically. Not sure if there is a way to disable the actual tone that sounds when a message or call comes through other than to set your phone to vibrate. I also disable access to my photos and contacts.

      Havent come across a better service yet though.

    • THEATLSD says:

      I started using Text Free App. No issues so far.

      • The T3xtfree app info page lists ad-free texting for an additional 5.99. Are there ads in your texts?

      • THEATLSD says:

        The ads are not in the text just in the app on the top. Has not bothered me and not any worse them most apps with adds. Been able to send and receive pics with no issue. I did not let the app have access to my contacts. I keep that separate for obvious reasons.

  116. Promise says:

    Is anyone doing anything for Halloween?

  117. Anonymous says:

    Actually, the recent blog post from that letstalksugar.com “are my expectations too high” getting a good message across to aspiring SBs. There’s a lot to be said about the following and should be a lesson to SBs to be real, open minded and genuine – vs. thinking SDs exist solely to treat her ‘like a princess’ without thinking what she is really bringing to the table.

    Above all, you need to treat finding a Sugar Daddy like any other dating experience. A real connection is worth much more to a POT than someone faking it to get in his wallet. Establishing a rapport, going on several dates, and actually caring about him are some of the key ways to get the most out of an arrangement.

  118. Riviera Undercover says:

    Do you have WhatsApp?
    No credit :(
    You can send an email but i wont b able to download it, send me £20 to top up and i will xx

    Strange she’s online with SA…

    • Kore says:

      @Rivi ..The UK seems to be leading in scam force?

      Tell her you can wait until she finds free wifi. -_-

      But it’s all scam tactics to start with (like spam mails written in poor grammar). Some take the bait. That’s how they filter out less guillible people.