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Breaking Up with Sugar

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Extravagant trips, closets stuffed to the ceiling with couture, limitless credit–it’s hard to fathom leaving the highly addictive world of Sugar. Though for some of us, a peak is reached, the party is over, and it’s time to go sugar-free.

Here are a few considerations before swimming out of the Sugar bowl:

Keep Strong Bridges

We suggest strengthening the bridges you’ve built, not burning them!  When it comes to saying goodbye to your Sugar Daddies/Mommies, remember its not a break up with that person, but with the lifestyle they’ve helped give you.

Just because you are giving back the credit card, doesn’t mean you have to give up the mentorship or networking knowledge that has developed along the way.

A Budget

You Are Gonna Need This. Unless you are a CEO or business owner with a fabulous residual income, you’re going to need a job when that allowance stops being deposited. You probably have shoes in your closet that cost as much as a single paycheck, so cutbacks to your spending is key.

Learn to budget necessities first such as bills, food, gas, etc and then put aside a certain “spending” amount for when a shopping craving comes on strong. Your financial choices, much like a diet, should be essentially organic, not overly indulgent.

Come Clean

We can’t hide our past. You were a Sugar Baby. Yes, delete your sugar-related social media accounts, deactivate your profile, seal that chapter away, but don’t pretend your experience never happened. You’ve made great memories, dined at the finest restaurants and looked darn good doing it!

Whether you start dating someone serious, make new friends, or get asked why you have an endless Louis Vuitton collection, never fear the judgments of your Sugar lessons and adventures. You got into the Sugar world for a reason and you are getting out for a reason. Your life, sugary or not, is always to be lived on your terms.

Have you ever tried to to leave the Sugar lifestyle? What was the hardest part?

 

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1,345 Responses to “Breaking Up with Sugar”

  1. Hcris says:

    Ainda sem experiencias para contar ….

  2. J says:

    PS random chick i don’t think I’m better than you we are all equals here

    But I am better off genetically and in life

  3. J says:

    I have issues with my body….I enjoy what I eat, don’t count calories, and have a great and strong body I surf daily and when I can’t surf run several miles

    My life > your life
    :( aw

  4. J says:

    Omg girl I bet men find you so annoying and uptight! Pin the type of person you could learn from and aim to be more like me… Your words show how low ball your life is…..

    You’re still caught up in me…do you ever think about anything bigger than yourself
    I was over this petty argument days

    My life is great I already have an amazing new job, potential pots, time with my beautiful family
    I don’t wish you any harm but at the same time I want you to look at yourself and realize how pathetic you are and that you need to grow up and BECOME A BETTER MORE DIGNIFIED PERSON Im not even trying to insult you but you’re interesr in my life is boring and you seem weak you wouldn’t make it into my group of friends in a million years

    PS WHY ARE YOU OBSESSED WITH THE IDEA OF SUCKING DICK

  5. J says:

    Just imagine me twerking my butt like Miley to my victory song im really really hot is the only lyric I can recall

    You know why I win “girlfriend” because I’m happy and you obviously hate life.

    THE END

  6. J says:

    Lol p i g big word girlfriend
    I win give up
    Ha ha

    Next time keep your mouth shut you rude hollywood blvd tramp
    I’m really really hot

  7. J says:

    I wrote this quite awfully. I hope what i was trying to get across is evident…my pal took care of me because I wanted to put all my energy into studying and travelling

  8. J says:

    i had a man taking care of me because i was putting my attention on my studies.

    I wasn’t being paid for anything, but because you look at me like that you that’s your perspective because that’s your reality

  9. J says:

    All the troubled souls in this world..I find the woman they judge others hardest for giving a man fellacio probably feel that sex is something dirty…you wouldn’t be judging me unless you were judging yourself for the same thing

    My little social scientist friend, I hope you are able to come back from whatever it is you did to yourself that in turn made your outward view on others so cold and mean…God forgives everyone, even prosututues 😉

  10. J says:

    Trying to persecute me*

    I hope you find yourself and become more human my dear girl I get a sense that you feel bad about yourself and the world we live in.

  11. J says:

    The fact that you think you’re being paid shows how little connection you have to your heart I think you probably feel useless and need to go find some self love or religion maybe

    I don’t feel bad for myself I feel bad for you poor baby I think your insults are a reflection of your own self value

    you obviously get down for a few bank notes you reflect how you feel about yourself so clearly in your words trying to persecute mean

  12. sugar baby fed up lol says:

    then i’m a frigid person just because i use my brain? i really don’t want to read anymore all your brainless answers lol

    i have to clear, also, i’m not here for a meeting because all these dumb girls will write stupid arguments against me. it’s just a social experiment to me

  13. J says:

    Former Abercrombie and Fitch model, ex lifeguard, and former competitor in the us open of surfing two years ago also im bilingual must I go on….

  14. Jjprincess says:

    Fyi not only am I in training for cor and the rafting company I also have 26 english students that I will begin teaching next month and I was also offered a bartending job last night

    SO BITCH PLEASE IM NOTHING LESS THAN AMAZING AND YOURE A JERK GOSH IM GLAD PEOPLE LIKE YOU DONT EXIST WHERE I LIVE

  15. Jjprincess says:

    Actually I’m not at all sorry I never have to apologize anyway i shouldn’t have paid you any attention

  16. Jjprincess says:

    Sorry for calling you a bitch but really you write quite tactlessly

  17. Jjprincess says:

    I’m not useless either just because I don’t work doesn’t mean I don’t add value to this world in other ways

  18. Jjprincess says:

    Sugar baby you sound like a frigid cold bitch like my stepmother you have no heart must suck to live like that

  19. FlyR says:

    I seldom disagree with flybouy but I have 2 issues……………….

    His alpha with game has simply differentiated the product and most likely he’ll end up with the SB wanting to give free samples.

    The other area is in the need for a fancy dinner for a first meet. It woks for some , especially those who see their worth and success defined by what people give them and buy them. There’s a time and place for everything . Yes a lot of women of all ages lust to go to places they aspire to be identified with. You have a deal with the door man at the Mondrian or other hotel that gets you and your date to the front of the line and that counts for a lot.

    But there’s a lot of very intelligent women who are just as dazzled by a man who plans an intellectually stimulating evening . Perhaps a dinner at the art museum , a long walk in the garden. For others putting them in the right seat of the airplane and departing into the sunset at 200 feet off the water and seeing a new world adds a new dimension. A pullup and then zero G pushover usually either seals the deal or fills the barf bag. Thankfully mostly the former. Before the days of the TSA a return under the Golden Gate Bridge had something like a 99% success rate.

    What’s special to one woman is boring or embarrassing to another .

    The wise SD looks carefully to see what buttons are pushable. Reliance on the Alpha mode is somewhat of a one trick pony . Col John Boyd visualized the most effective tool in the SD tool kit, the OODA loop. Not surprisingly it is also the most lethal weapon in the aspiring SB toolkit. So much so that it is prohibited under the Geneva convention. Most people make decisions in the “it’s all about me mode” rather than reality. What Boyd teaches is that the winning strategy is given by the other party . In addition to changing air and land warfare Boyd has significantly affected the way political candidates act.

  20. Jjprincess says:

    I don’t want it to end. Waaaah waaaah waaah (imagine my pretty blue eyes full of tears) :(

  21. Jjprincess says:

    I think I may go hungry. There’s no welfare in costa rica either that or im going to drown in the Rapids because that’s the best job I’ve found so far.

    Trustafarian to sugar baby to white water rafting guide? Is it possible…oh please fairy godmother send me another.

  22. Jjprincess says:

    I met my SD off the website two years ago he broke up with me and I truly do care about him so I showed him the website so he can help other girls. I know he truly does enjoy helping.

    However my last allowance is in a few days and I’ve never really got started in the real world. Once my parents cut me off I met my sugar daddy and now I’m 21 and not sure I know how to work to support my self! Oh no.

    Xo
    Life with out sugars gonna be bitter…

    But I know I’ll find a really nice handsome loving boyfriend if I want I just hate the idea of having a work schedule and having tobe serious! It’s not going to be good………ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

  23. Sugar Baby says:

    Sugars do not ultimately have to break up- some end up having a serious relationship. This is not prostitution so why would sugars hide their past? except you are married lol

  24. cryptic anomaly says:

    Hi Karikari,

    Would love to chat with you my email is crypticanomaly73 at g mail dot com

  25. Karikari6 says:

    Wow this couldn’t come at the right time. I just ended my SD relationship and a part of me hurts but the other other part is telling me that it was time to move on from this to find someone else who can mentor me in the right path for my future.

  26. CucumberOnLids says:

    CucumberOnLids:

    You are doing the right thing! My only advice for you is a slight change in the language. Don’t say that your time is valuable and you don’t want to waste it. Say, the opportunity to meet a real SD is so small that the last thing you want to do is be with a fake when the real deal arrives!

    In other words, you don’t want to be smacked by the opportunity cost!

    Cheers :)

    As usually FlyBoy you’re always spot on:) Thank you as you’re absolutely right.

  27. Anonymous says:

    Leaving a sugar relationship should be easy but if no one read the Rules first. huummm.

  28. FatB'StardSA says:

    This will be my last post on the blog. I am going the attention whore route and announcing me departure from SA activities on the blog.

    I am sure that some will be happy to see me leave the blog, and some will be sad. For those of you who don’t care I can only say go fuck yourself as I don’t give a shit about you either.

    It is nice to see that there is a new cast of blog characters. While of lesser quality than in the past I am sure these bloggers will be able to offer half-assed advice to those new to SA.

    My final advise to any SB or SD new to SA. When you are unsure of how to act during a meet, what to write in your profile, or how much allowance to ask for or give, think of the Morton’s salt company and how they manage to sell salt at a premium price. Everything will be clear to you then…

    Have a nice day :-).

  29. FatB'StardSA says:

    While a casual reader of the blog would assume that FlyBoy is an idiot, I think he on on the right track with his advise. Let me expand on FlyBoy and RussianSB’s SB tips…

    Step 1: Only meet POT SD’s who offer to meet at expensive restaurants for long dinners. Successful men have a lot of free time and love to spend their evenings talking to strangers. I recommend asking for a cash gift as well. It will help you avoid salty SD’s.

    Step 2: After you have been on the site for 6 months come back to the blog and bitch about how every SD stops communicating with you after 2-3 messages. If you are black play the race card at this point.

    I would give more tips but you can easily find more of FlyBoy’s advice on any random SB Tumblr blog.

    Good luck SB’s!

  30. Goddess says:

    @FlyBoy I like the way you think, thanks for the perspective :)

  31. FlyBoy says:

    CucumberOnLids:

    You are doing the right thing! My only advice for you is a slight change in the language. Don’t say that your time is valuable and you don’t want to waste it. Say, the opportunity to meet a real SD is so small that the last thing you want to do is be with a fake when the real deal arrives!

    In other words, you don’t want to be smacked by the opportunity cost!

    Cheers :)

  32. FlyBoy says:

    @MultiplePersonalities:

    You keep proving to the worldnthat you are a pathetic beta. Go back to telling us how women mind rape you.

    Cheers :)

  33. FlyBoy says:

    RussianSB:

    Sure, if man not going to provide sugar, and use that site to find free dinner companions – he is timewaster. So, I prefer dinner over coffee – spending 500$ for dinner each time with new girl will made him think about what he really wants after few month of such dating :)))
    By accepting coffee meetings – you attract average Joes to that site , ladies. Then don’t biotch about quality of members here.

    This advice is gold.

    Don’t go on a coffee meet, it’s stupid. Use the dinner as a tool to screen the pots. Each and every SB should hit the web and find all the fancy restaurants in her area. You should have one of each, Italian, Japanese, French .. etc. Check out their menus and make sure they are expensive.

    Then, when you are talking to the pot, casually ask what their favorite cuisine is. If they say french, scream, oh my god I know this french restaurant that my girlfriend ate at and she says it’s grand! Take me there, please, pretty please.

    Note, you are not being an entitled princess. You are merely suggesting a high end restaurant that is patronized by high end people which the pot is claiming to be. Also, you are showing him that you are comfortable in that environment. Which a real SD would appreciate.

    If they yes, then go and enjoy yourself. Alas, most likely, they will come back with a lame excuse. If so, then go ahead and ask straight on; if you can’t afford a high end meal, how can you afford an SB?

    This is a universal tactic. It will work in a big city (Super expensive restaurants/high allowances), or a small town (Mid range restaurants/lower allowances).

    Cheers :)

    PS: Sorry about the double post!

  34. Josh says:

    @FlyGirl,

    You keep proving that you are a woman. Keep it up. 😉

  35. FlyBoy says:

    RussianSB:

    Sure, if man not going to provide sugar, and use that site to find free dinner companions – he is timewaster. So, I prefer dinner over coffee – spending 500$ for dinner each time with new girl will made him think about what he really wants after few month of such dating :)))
    By accepting coffee meetings – you attract average Joes to that site , ladies. Then don’t biotch about quality of members here.

    This advice is gold.

    Don’t go on a coffee meet, it’s stupid. Use the dinner as a tool to screen the pots. Each and every SB should hit the web and find all the fancy restaurants in her area. You should have one of each, Italian, Japanese, French .. etc. Check out their menus and make sure they are expensive.

    Then, when you are talking to the pot, casually ask what their favorite cuisine is. If they say french, scream, oh my god I know this french restaurant that my girlfriend ate at and she says it’s grand! Take me there, please, pretty please.

    Note, you are not being an entitled princess. You are merely suggesting a high end restaurant that is patronized by high end people which the pot is claiming to be. Also, you are showing him that you are comfortable in that environment. Which a real SD would appreciate.

    If they yes, then go and enjoy yourself. Alas, most likely, they will come back with a lame excuse. If so, then go ahead and ask straight on; if you can’t afford a high end meal, how can you afford an SB?

    This is a universal tactic. It will work in a big city (Super expensive restaurants/high allowances), or a small town (Mid range restaurants/lower allowances).

    Cheers :)

  36. Josh says:

    @CucumberOnLids

    “If escorts are here under the radar they’re probably seeking a 5k per month allowance. Someone that skilled in pleasing men the way they do should probably be higher than the average allowance desire.”

    That’s what you are trying to do. 😉

  37. FlyBoy says:

    IHF2030:

    Value/price is determined by supply and demand. And since there is a huge over-supply of sugarbabies and a very limited number of real sugardadies, it seems that a lot of women on this site flunked economics 101.

    I don’t know if the girls flunked economics 101, but I am sure you passed by cheating. That is the only logical explanation to your economic illiteracy.

    Not all prices are elastic! Indeed the vast majority of prices are inelastic. The price inelasticity in sugar is born out of the need to meet critical minimums. Those minimums are set by the size of the local economy and the generosity of the local men.

    A woman, is many things, but a commodity, she is not. To illustrate this, let me give you an example from real life;

    Two men go into a club. Man A is a swaggering alpha who spits mad game. Man B is an insecure beta with zero game. The club is split down the middle, half men and half women.

    Who do you think will get traction with the girls? A or B. Now let’s change the environment by the making the club split 80/20 girl/boy. Would the outcome change? The answer is a big fat NO.

    Just because there are many women, they will not become easy. They will always go for the alpha. Likewise, in the sugar bowl, they will always chase after the whale.

    Therefore, the correct conclusion from the imbalance between SBs and SDs is this: many SBs will be frustrated in their search for an SD, not that prices would come down.

    Cheers :)

  38. Kane92 says:

    But.. for the best SD i did have in my experience(s) , When our 9 months was up it really was , he even sent me allowances times he didn’t see me …still best in my book and it wasnt the amount alone, the things he said in our emails” youre on top of it ” “I love how quick you commute-love that sht” haha boy..this is a computer engineer making 200k a year ,we didnt spend much time 2-3 hours twice a month…miss him but i learned a lot along the way.

  39. Kane92 says:

    I wouldn’t say its hard to say goodbye to 1200 shopping sprees because that , to me ?…is superficial ..The only reason I became a sb is purposely for tuition and to leave campus out of town here and there…I understand that there in fact are SBs on here to gain red bottoms and Chanel bags…kudos what a goal…if i am lowering my morals for anything it has to be purposeful..not because mom and daddy missed a few gifts on Christmas..I always felt like that drew too much attention . A contradiction to discretion..i suppose.

  40. CucumberOnLids says:

    I don’t know how someone can hold a conversation during sex. That takes some skill.

  41. CucumberOnLids says:

    Just received another can we meet for 100-200 for 10-30 mins. He’s also married. It must be a hard day in business if today is the “just need to get off as quickly as possible day. Maybe I’ve been doing this all wrong.

    I’ve also gotten the much older gent of stay with me all day and overnight for $350.

  42. Goddess says:

    Oh geez, how do you multitask during sex? My face tingles from kissing alone. And haha, team player all the way, we might be onto something with the bagina beans. Market it to prospective SBs. :)
    LOL hottotrot1, I don’t know, what’s there not to love about a sophisticated man gently tugging at your hair? I think all arguments would end there haha.
    See you guys on the new blog! Looks like a goodie. Speaking of which I have to blog for my business today :)

  43. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @cucumber – could you imagine if I met with every one of the messages I get that stated an hourly rate? Or every one that had a list of services with prices? Or every one that lists “massage” “entertainer” or “independent contractor” as her occupation? My businesses would fold, my life would be over and I’d be a destitute loser!

    …does it sound any better coming from the SD side?

    Didn’t think so…@Charlotte has it down…if you can’t wait through the douchebags and scum for the first couple of months, you’re going to be disgruntled and disappointed. You have to be ready to catch the ONE SD that strikes your fancy whenever that happens. You have to be proactive and contact those that meet YOUR criteria (someone above said they don’t send any messages — big mistake in my mind, a classy approach will win an interested SD)…

    I do NOT believe there are more “john” profiles than “escort” profiles…however…those two categories are the two MOST ACTIVE profile types on SA…which means…you’ll get more contacts from those two types of profiles than you will from the “real” SB/SD…THAT’s why you need to be proactive, productive, contributing people or your sugar karma will suck the sweetness from you and you’ll turn into a bitter hooker/john for the rest of your “sugar” experience!

  44. Jaybird923 says:

    @Hot You keep coming up with excuses. When there’s a will there is a way. Simply learn to sign. Multi task

  45. Charlotte says:

    @Hot

    Oh la la!

  46. hototrot1 says:

    @Jay

    I don’t talk with my mouth full.

  47. Jaybird923 says:

    New blog is up!

  48. Jaybird923 says:

    @Hot If you’re not multi tasking during sex, you’re not doing it right. lol

  49. Charlotte says:

    @YGKM

    Thanks. You are very pretty as well.

    I would suggest adding aphrodiacs into bagina’s, maybe we can cheat his lust into love?

  50. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. Your efforts did not go unnoticed. Good little Padawan.

    @ Goddess a SD younger then you is called a Sugar Boy or Generous Boyfriend. (Via Struggles)

    @YGBKM. My sassy little friend how about changing your Gravatar to the angel wing
    picture?

  51. hototrot1 says:

    @YGTBKM

    What’s a bagina bean?

  52. hototrot1 says:

    @Jay
    “Hot you talk to him while he’s banging you of course. Share a funny anecdote, ask him what’s his opinion on the situation in the Middle East, tell him about the new book you’re reading, etc. He’ll hunger for more than your pussy in no time.”

    That’s some serious multi-tasking!! Lol

  53. Jaybird923 says:

    @LAdy I sure would. So nice of you to share

  54. Jaybird923 says:

    @Hot you talk to him while he’s banging you of course. Share a funny anecdote, ask him what’s his opinion on the situation in the Middle East, tell him about the new book you’re reading, etc. He’ll hunger for more than your pussy in no time.

  55. MissLady says:

    *brings out the popcorn* want some jay?

  56. yougottabekiddingme says:

    It’s all about the bagina bean, hototrot. It’s all about the bagina bean…

  57. hototrot1 says:

    @Goddess
    “It might be more the fact that there was too much cerebral energy between you two and less of the fun and frolick. When you notice things going in that direction, dial it back like how I did that kegel joke in the midst of what seemed to be a disagreement. Sure, I’ll discuss stocks and dividends with you but only if you ask. ”

    Ooooh, I tried so very hard to do this last night. I already know the no-go-zones with him. We’ve been seeing each other for 8 months. But, he blindsided me with this play invitation. I like Fugard, but I would never watch that type of thing with him. I know how he thinks. I didn’t know what we were going to say. All the things I love about him, I hate about him in a way. I’m impressed with him about most things, but some topics he should just leave alone because he is completely out-of-touch. Or at least find a like minded person to discuss them with. We all have our out of bounds. He was pushing my buttons. Plus, we’ve got some other issues I won’t go into on this blog, so there was some hidden aggression there. I think he gets off on the fighting, I don’t at all. But, you’re perfectly right: tuck it in/keep it light.

    Sad part is, prior to the play we were talking about lingerie shopping together. BooHoo.

    Btw, glad you’re finding some traction on here. I got a message today from a Dom. I’m not sure I’m the gal for that. Hahaha

  58. hototrot1 says:

    @gentleman soul

    “If you see married men and want to keep them for awhile, crank up the E intensity . Make us fall in love as well as lust for you . Make us hunger for YOU and not just your pussy . Just sayin’”

    How does that happen with no time allotted outside of bedroom?

  59. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @Goddess

    We need a plentiful stock of baginas to get production going. Thanks for being a team player ;D.

  60. rembodler says:

    gentleman soul says:
    “…But you have to act like an SB and not a Pro…”
    An SD who cannot tell an escort from an SB either is an idiot or does not care.

  61. Goddess says:

    haha made my first sugar date from the site. Wow, I am one lazy SB when it comes to effort on here. He also happens to be younger than me and seems pretty nice. I prefer older but this might turn out alright, I need to date more and work less anywho. If all else fails, I want in on the bagina beans.

  62. yougottabekiddingme says:

    Pretty, pretty Charlotte…look at you :).

    We’ll make him fall in love by swapping out his regular coffee beans with bagina beans! 😀 He wont know why he loves us, he just will.

  63. yougottabekiddingme says:

    “@escorts

    A talented emotionally connected ,sexually liberated SB could easily make $5K + /month seeing 3 or 4 SDs . If you are working the numbers then you are crossing the line into Pro life. But you will have to allot 3 or 4 nights(days) to accommodate the schedules of all those Daddies. Get married men who can’t spend the night and you can hit it for an hour here an hour there . But you have to act like an SB and not a Pro .”

    What the…

  64. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL You should proud of me I’m showing such restraint today. I’m letting the SDs handle things You’re all doing a fine job:)

  65. Charlotte says:

    @YBKM

    Any plans for making them fall in love?

    If Bagina coffee doesn’t sell, we can live on his income and wohoo.

  66. yougottabekiddingme says:

    ” Sex without emotional involvement is short lived . That is why we are continually seeking new babies. If you see married men and want to keep them for awhile, crank up the E intensity . Make us fall in love as well as lust for you . Make us hunger for YOU and not just your pussy . Just sayin’”

    Copy that :).

  67. Goddess says:

    hottotrot1, like you I am a thinker. I prefer someone charismatic, easy going, maybe even funny as a companion. It’s nice to have down time from thinking. My guess is legit SDs have this same frame of thought as well as SBs. It might be more the fact that there was too much cerebral energy between you two and less of the fun and frolick. When you notice things going in that direction, dial it back like how I did that kegel joke in the midst of what seemed to be a disagreement. Sure, I’ll discuss stocks and dividends with you but only if you ask. Otherwise I rather keep things light and fun.

  68. gentleman soul says:

    @escorts

    A talented emotionally connected ,sexually liberated SB could easily make $5K + /month seeing 3 or 4 SDs . If you are working the numbers then you are crossing the line into Pro life. But you will have to allot 3 or 4 nights(days) to accommodate the schedules of all those Daddies. Get married men who can’t spend the night and you can hit it for an hour here an hour there . But you have to act like an SB and not a Pro .

  69. THEATLSD says:

    @Hot
    “I need a calm man ASAP! Or someone that calms me down lol”

    Looks like you and cucumber were made for each other.

  70. hototrot1 says:

    Opposites can attract but it won’t last! There has to be more in common than not.

  71. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. Ok I thought you had sent a new one today.
    My helmet needs cleaning :)

  72. rembodler says:

    @Cuc
    “If escorts are here under the radar they’re probably seeking a 5k per month allowance. Someone that skilled in pleasing men the way they do should probably be higher than the average allowance desire”

    You wish, Cucumber, you wish…

  73. Goddess says:

    Anonymous, there are a lot of creeps on these sites for sure and they probably have been members for a long time so they know when they see fresh meat. No idea sine I haven’t been trying really to meet anyone since I created this one. I have had some friendly back and forth and that’s it.

  74. gentleman soul says:

    @Cuc
    For many of the married SDs companionship is something they aren’t really seeking.

    True . Unfortunately married SDs have to be accountable to their family “back home” and generally don’t operate in a vacuum. So time and exposure is precious(and money). We don’t refer to “the warden” for nothing . So why get married at all ? That is a discussion that has been beaten to death . So my advice to SBs wanting the “relationship” package –do not see married men . We want the biggest bang for the time we are allotted -which usually means a roll in the hay . Sex without emotional involvement is short lived . That is why we are continually seeking new babies. If you see married men and want to keep them for awhile, crank up the E intensity . Make us fall in love as well as lust for you . Make us hunger for YOU and not just your pussy . Just sayin’

  75. hototrot1 says:

    The last Anonymous was me. So pretty out today, even though I’ve got a bit of the blues. Have a date with current interest tomorrow (fingers crossed). Got into big fight with current off/on well- now definitely OFF! A shouting match during intermission at an Athol Fugard play- about politics. The play was political. Everyone stared at us. We were like the halftime show. I didn’t even get to see the rest because I walked out on him. So embarrassing. It was like I was watching myself and him in disbelief. An out of body experience.

    I need a calm man ASAP! Or someone that calms me down lol

  76. Anonymous says:

    @Cucumber

    Nice breakdown. You state your claim and give provide lots of detail for thought. I see no fault in what you’re saying. I never thought of that before. There’s so much talk about escorts but very little about the john phenomenon. And I agree with you, I think there are more of them! Just as hard for a John to transition into sugar as it is for an escort.

  77. Charlotte says:

    @Cucumber

    You writing reminded me of a JOHN whose use name was JOHN who invited for tea in a luxury palace, which turned out to be ” too busy” invited me his room for my tea. And somehow he had champagne and french macarons in the room.

    I said I didn’t have must time, and accepted tea as I had an hour break from school.

    He told me to ” show ” him ” my skills” so he would be convinced to ” hire ” me as a sb.

    I ate macarons, had the tea, thanked him ran away.

    When you make a new profile, they bombard you in messages, trying to find a way to take advantage of your naivety. It get’s better by time.

  78. Goddess says:

    Darn, I can’t make a dirty joke about kegels in response to Cucumber’s comment LOL.

  79. CucumberOnLids says:

    @Jo

    @Cuc

    “I swear it appears I should just be a by the hour escort.”

    That’s exactly it sounds like you actually ARE and just trying to break into sugar for easier business along with the possibility of hitting it big.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________
    If that were the case the last place I would be would be is on a sugar site. Seriously?

    I’ve been off and on SA way before you decided to even post. Many of the profiles I see are the same ones I see when I first logged in. Point is I was too busy to even waste time meeting “maybe”. Even the kind gents I spoke to told me of their escort/massage place background. It’s incredibly rare to come across a man on this site that hasn’t seen escorts unless he’s single and has conventional good looks which is why the site doesn’t say NO JOHNS it’s says NO ESCORTS. Duh.

    I mean who do you think pays for the monthly services here? The problem is that some Johns don’t know how to stop being Johns. The other issue is that many don’t enjoy the mutually beneficial aspect. It’s more about “how little can I give to receive” and they’ll stay on this site hoping to find that deal.

    For many of the married SDs companionship is something they aren’t really seeking. They may have time but they’re after numbers of women so they’re trying to see how cheap they can get laid. I don’t fault them for what they desire. That’s not my complaint. I fault them when it comes to time and a string of lies or deception.

    If the answer is going to be no it’s best to get there. The whole maybe I can convince her if I pretend …. someday or ..in the future is irritating.

    Could you imagine if I met every single one of these men? I’d have to quit my job. lol. It’s time consuming as most will contact you and just talk about themselves for hours.

    Now that 8-1 ratio doesn’t really exist mainly because the average SB that joins that has any type of social life, job, going to school has only so many hours in month to meet with a few fakes. After awhile these ladies get tired of going out on dates with men that have no intention of starting a reasonable arrangement so they abandon their profiles.

    When I joined the site in the past I received maybe around 5 messages. When I joined this time my inbox was filled with about 30-50 different SDs all too eager. I remember a time when SBs would join and state ” no one is messaging me”. Arrangement sites are thinning out because once most SBs get here and are offered $100 or $200 to meet they either do the multi-daddy game running around from one to the next, they keep waiting or they leave.

    If escorts are here under the radar they’re probably seeking a 5k per month allowance. Someone that skilled in pleasing men the way they do should probably be higher than the average allowance desire.

  80. Goddess says:

    Ha, my guys were not that old but I guess when you’re 22 anything over 30 is. I really like this yacht broker from around the way but he seems emotionally unavailable. And he’s “frugal”. Drives an old VW. I wonder if I can get used to that, haha.

  81. gentleman soul says:

    @anonymous was me .

  82. Charlotte says:

    @Goddess

    A fairy tale where snow white gets married with charming prince’s father or grand father?

  83. Anonymous says:

    @Promise

    How are you angel ? My screen is 18 to 29. Ironically my current sb is near 50 and looks as good as any 20 yr old. But there is something about the age–too much world knowledge and not enough naivete . I like the younger, naive-enough hottie who stares and says OMG when the clothes come off .LOL

    MILF -in my mind is -her ! middle aged(40 -50) mother and hot

  84. Goddess says:

    Oh I have to add that if you find the right guy it can be like an absolute fairy tale, so hard to believe some of these men worked as hard as I am currently. Breaking up with sugar is sort of getting back to reality and realizing at some point you need to get your own thing going, either with an SD or independently. Sort of like the nice glamorous vacation coming to an end.

  85. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL Yes my Lord I’m sure. It’s from last night not today. :)

  86. CucumberOnLids says:

    @flyr- Cucumber – Am I correct that the proposal for the afternoon quickie was prior to any meet other than Skype ?
    ————————————————————————————
    After we skype chatted. I did the same with my last SD. What’s wrong with skype?

  87. Goddess says:

    oh isn’t JohnnyNOC oh so pretty? OK, back on topic, I would have liked to marry one of my SDs but he was not in that place the same time I was. His friends and he loved me and well, it was great. He was a little misogynistic but he always made it damned funny like he did everything and was never that way with me, always respectful apart from the occasional butt grab and I’d give him a stern look, LOL. It is so darn nice to reminisce. I can say Chicago was amazing too but unfortunately had a crazy ex with keys to his place and I wanted to live but omgosh what a wonderful person, sad we couldn’t continue.
    I was flattered I was the one gal that my first SD was willing to settle down with but not in my time and well I was a brat about these things.
    I have to admit, I have relatively decent men vying for my attention but a mentor/business financier SD would be pretty darn amazing. Work is life nowadays and I have an insanely strict budget is the main reason.

  88. Charlotte says:

    Josh
    “@Charlotte

    “Mother nature’s mistake to grow us older than 32 and younger than 18.”

    I guess you mean to say “mens’ mistake” that they look for women of certain age range?”

    No, I really meant mother nature.

    We want to be young, perfect and perky. If we could enjoy our imperfectionning bodies, we wouldn’t come across with stupid taboo’s to make bed room boring. Experience comes with age afterall and they know what feels how. (Heard some conversations of mom with her friends).

    And men I talked with on SA, were seemed to annoy because they were getting sexually invisible to their wives, or cannot stand ” every week’s duty night”.

  89. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy Okay if you insist. I’ll leave you alone I’d never want you to violate your principles … a woman over 25 how would you live with yourself afterwards. lol I’ll get my kicks from somewhere else can’t have that on my conscience :)

  90. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay I got nothing. You sure you didn’t send it to your boss.

  91. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    Lol, Jay – one more post like that and I may need to break my rule about not dating anyone above 25.
    However, I have to tell you that my current SB is extremely jealous and even my flirting on the blog could be enough reason for her to next me. Given that I am quite fond of her, I will have to pass…:-)).

  92. Josh says:

    @Cuc

    “I swear it appears I should just be a by the hour escort.”

    That’s exactly it sounds like you actually ARE and just trying to break into sugar for easier business along with the possibility of hitting it big.

  93. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy LMAO “Thank you for your kindness” Well done. I get a kick out of interacting with you. Feel free to interpret it as genuine. :)

  94. Josh says:

    IF @flyR were are man she would be an awesome freind-zone material.

  95. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    I will take what you said as genuine and thank you for your kindness…

  96. THEATLSD says:

    @Burpless Cucumber says:
    “Hmm Haven’t had that with a bf in years.”

    Well that explains a lot.

  97. rembodler says:

    @flyR
    Oh you, flatterer…
    Now you will be the favorite of all the SBs on the blog as they undoubtedly feel that not only they fit the age group, but also you suave description. I am getting a tad jealous, oh flyR….

  98. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy lol But it’s you I want. Can’t you tell? I thought it was obvious. Remmy baby, have pity on me,do not let me die in despair.

  99. MissLady says:

    Yes don’t be holding out Jay!

    @flyer but it was such a wonderful quote!

  100. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    No worries, Jay. flyR wants you bad…

  101. Jaybird923 says:

    @online check your messages

  102. rembodler says:

    @flyR
    “@rem – I’ll disagree on the MILF’s but it is in the eye of the beholder.

    There are some incredibly sexy , hardbelly mid 30s women around with awesome bodies , minds and skills. The only thing they lack…”

    Sorry, I got bored and stopped reading. Please, have them, have them all. As you said, to each his/her own.

  103. Josh says:

    @Charlotte

    “Mother nature’s mistake to grow us older than 32 and younger than 18.”

    I guess you mean to say “mens’ mistake” that they look for women of certain age range?

  104. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay & @ATL – if you’re psychic about blog, bring me in on it..

  105. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL When you see this comment check your email. It didn’t take long and she’s not very smart. I’ve once again proven that I might be a little psychic lol

  106. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @flyR – sorry…didn’t know it was proprietary… You mention it enough on here I thought it was available for public distribution 😉

  107. flyR says:

    Cucumber – Am I correct that the proposal for the afternoon quickie was prior to any meet other than Skype ?

  108. flyR says:

    @ Miss “@onsd I’m of that camp…she who finishes first finishes me best” you are not supposed to be sharing that information with the unwashed

  109. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @cucumber – there are some commenters that would agree with your altered choice of lifestyle…

    He’s a douchebag…PUA…showed his colors…but, if you have that attitude with a REAL pot SD, you’ll be underscoring HIS complaints about escortish profiles on here!

  110. flyR says:

    @rem – I’ll disagree on the MILF’s but it is in the eye of the beholder.

    There are some incredibly sexy , hardbelly mid 30s women around with awesome bodies , minds and skills. The only thing they lack is the patience to teach selfish men the path to the garden of ahhhas

  111. CucumberOnLids says:

    So update:

    The one that I passed over showed his true colors this morning. Started asking me to get naughty on cam for free. Lol nope.

    Then said it’s a shame I can’t “host”. I hate when people use that term because it sounds like a john. He’s offering $500 per meet then drops it down to $400 because you know wow hotels. Then contact me today with a quickie. I’m thinking wait what? First I don’t just invite people over to my home as I haven’t had a man over since 09. Also why would I have quick sex with anyone much less an SD that I barely chatted with on skype for 20 mins.

    So I go well my place is gated and private and where I live you can’t cough without someone noticing. I just don’t think that would be appropriate.

    He tried to give me that ooh it’s hot and then we can meet up for Friday for all day. So get this.. I said well maybe I even supped myself up to think hmm maybe this would be hot. Sexy quickie fun? Hmm Haven’t had that with a bf in years.

    So then he goes ooh I”m not paying $500 a meet for that. I thought wait if it’s all the same then it’s all the same right?

    This man said $140and then on Friday $500 lol Now he had limited on his profile so I told him what he offers isn’t what I’m seeking. He said he can provide what I seek but with his fake age he should be able to find a SB by now. It just doesn’t make sense.

    I said well if all you want is sex why not go hire an escort. “Ohh I want a connection” Riiiight. You trying to have a 20 min quickie but you want a connection? LMAO!

    He said look I just don’t have alot of time today you know the wife and kids bit.

    Right.

    So I joke just to see if he’d put his foot in his mouth and say well what about $200. He goes ooh well that would be for 45 mins. Lol A john has been spotted please exit stage left with your cheap sex for money deals!

    I even threw the well if you’re going to provide the same in the same week do $500 today and then $140. Nope I’m not paying $500 for 20 mins.

    I mean where do they get this $140 from anyways?

    Then he said well this will not work out. Hmmm I’m so disappointed that I didn’t hook up with some over the hill hooker shopper. AWW life is so difficult now. pfft!

    Typical bait and switch tactic. I swear it appears I should just be a by the hour escort.

  112. flyR says:

    @ FBoy ” Bitches don’t fuck bitches”

    applied to sugar
    When someone stands around winning “Life is so unfair” they only attract people with the same beliefs……… losers.

  113. Promise says:

    “How does a 20 y/o virgin know about marriage between SDs and SBs?!!”
    Talking to you people.
    “If you don’t want people to discover your proxies, then make sure they are realistic.”
    This is rude, and unnecessary.

  114. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy So you can only be hot if you’re in your only twenties? Why didn’t anyone tell me? Where are my cyanide tablets? I must end it now

  115. flyR says:

    @Online flying

    You got some good advice from Flyboy

    Much better to get your pvt but also make sure that you get a real pilot as an instructor. Not one of the accountant types that the FAA loves. The ideal is the old freight dog or acro school.

  116. rembodler says:

    I have to honestly disclose I’ve never met a MILF who was not in her early twenties. If she was not, she would not be a MILF.

  117. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – hahahaha…yeah, that would fit that crowd…for SURE!

  118. Jaybird923 says:

    she’s just an unwed teenage mother.

  119. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online Yummy Mummy sounds so creepy. Like a term the ABF/ANR crowd would use.

  120. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – yeah, I’d seen definitions online before, I was really looking for bloggie confirmation…so…the 18yo should be a yummy mummy, rather than a MILF?

  121. MissLady says:

    Like the article said, I always thought of an milf as a mrs Robinson type woman

  122. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online @Lady [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILF_%28slang%29]

  123. MissLady says:

    I always thought it was an older woman with kids, someone that had teenagers. But when I think about commercials or social media it encompasses any woman that has kids..

  124. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online yeah it’s sort of like the word BBW misused. It was originally intended for older hot mom but now everyone who pops out a kid uses it. One someone say MILF I see hot mature lady not an 18 year old.

  125. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – that’s interesting…never considered that…I had a new profile hit the first page of my search today…she was 18 and holding herself out as MILF…so that leans toward the first of my definitions (a woman of any age who has had a child (or children) that is desired by men.

  126. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I think it’s a middle aged woman 40-50 (with or without kids)

  127. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Okay, here’s a “serious” question…when one sees MILF, what is your definition?

    Is it a mother (meaning any age woman who has a child) that the man wants to fuck…

    Is it someone’s of your mother’s generation that a man wants to fuck…

    Is it something else?

  128. Jaybird923 says:

    @YGTBKM thank you it took a lot of courage. :)

  129. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @Jaybird

    I admire your bravery. lol

  130. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @Jaybird

    Bahahahahaha! Oh god, it hurts! Come onnnnn ;p.

    It’s nothing explicit…forgot to asterisk lol.

  131. Jaybird923 says:

    @YGTBKM lol A good surprise. I was expecting horrible. It is craigslist after all

  132. Jaybird923 says:

    @YGTBKM I’m afraid of what I’ll find when I open that link.

  133. yougottabekiddingme says:

    Or you could just do this…

    [http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/hmb/4804063853.html]

  134. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I like you…you have the exact mindset I enjoy as it relates to “training” and “practice” 😉

  135. Jaybird923 says:

    I’d set unrealistic goals just for the practice sessions lol

  136. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online He has no reason to be embarrassed. I would enjoy being there in person watching him would be a major turn on for me. The whole point of training is applying what you’ve learned. I’d want to make sure my training was working. ;))

  137. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – there is always the Kiiroo couples toy I just shared…it included a male fleshlight device…that could be the incentive, remote watching rather than having you there for the experience? A little bit of embarrassment that he has to “do it himself” because he couldn’t get you done in the right way? I think that would be a decent training regimen…

  138. Jaybird923 says:

    Right not write

  139. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – RE: clubs and “free” entrance – at many clubs, if you’re a hot young woman, you’re going to get in free anyways…clubs know THAT is what will keep the men paying top dollar to enter…it should be similar for SA, but I think they have focused on quantity of women rather than quality of women…and the discounting of membership to SD have allowed in many who would be considered “undesirable” to the more traditional SBs active on here.

  140. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online LOL “she who finishes first finishes me best” Love it. and you’re write more sessions would be to much of an incentive to resist. How about solo “practice sessions” where the SB watches and instruct you “Not so fast SD.. slowly.. there you go” LMAO

  141. MissLady says:

    @onsd I’m of that camp…she who finishes first finishes me best

    Here, here

  142. MissLady says:

    @jay lol during my clubbing days I never went to the ones that let people in free till a certain time. you know there’ll be a bunch of riff raff there don’t you don’t want to interact with.

    I used to hate getting the girls together and they say ok, where can we get in free at??

  143. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – corrective action would have to be added sessions, wouldn’t it? But, then, there’s too much incentive for SD to “be quick” about things, for added meets, right?

    I’m not sure…especially since I’m more of a “take my time” guy…I think it’s @flyR that always talks about being a gentleman and letting her finish first…I’m of that camp…she who finishes first finishes me best 😉

  144. MissLady says:

    Yes if the event was exclusive it would probably be better and I agree about the sb paying. Matter of fact I think when I try sugar again I’m looking for something where the sb has to pay as well

  145. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online First I was being serious I didn’t expect that reaction to Sb having to pay lol during my clubbing days I never went to the ones that let people in free till a certain time. you know there’ll be a bunch of riff raff there don’t you don’t want to interact with. Same thing applies here. Quality over quantity.

    Second lol I would love to see the doctors face. And also I couldn’t think of an appropriate corrective action. Any ideas?

  146. MissLady says:

    @jay and @onsd track and trending on thrust counts, blinking lights when new records are set, tightening when the fella needs a little help to get across the finish line…oh the possibilities

  147. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – it’s funny, because I was telling Student I needed to plug in the time we were together as physical activity, since I’m not using my phone on my hip for “steps”…she said, “no, this is extra-curricular, not regular exercise”

  148. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – hahahaha…yeah…I can already see it…news story of 25yo at hospital with 58yo man, “but, doctor, she told me I needed to get in at LEAST 100 more thrusts this week”!!!!

  149. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – hahahahaha…SB pays…hahahahaha…you’re on a tear with that one!

    But, I think you’re right…when there’s mention of a “press area” and requests for attendees to address the media it’s going to move many from the “this is interesting” category to the “hell no” category pretty quickly…then, asking for corporate sponsor opportunities for gift bags for attendees that will get publicity – now it sounds more like an adult film convention than a sugar meet-and-greet event…

  150. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I freaking love it lol We could have weekly meeting to evaluate your performance. “If we look at last weeks number you’ll notice a drop in performance this can’t continue. Hopefully next week we’ll see some improvement. otherwise I’m afraid corrective action might be needed.”

  151. Jaybird923 says:

    I wouldn’t go to this party even if it was free. I’d go if it was a real upscale exclusive Masquerade and not a publicity stunt. There would have to be no press, Phones, cameras, etc. had to be checked before you could enter. And the sugar babies had to pay the same amount as the SDs.

  152. @Charlotte says:

    @YGBK

    Well said. Perfectly said.

  153. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ALL SBs – want to know if your SD is exclusive? Think he could stand to lose a few pounds or get into a little bit better shape? I’ve got your solution…and it can provide you some added stimulation as well!

    [http://www.bondara.co.uk/blog/bondara-news/sexfit/]

  154. yougottabekiddingme says:

    re: breakups

    I get that it’s ideal to end communication, move on with your respective lives etc. I guess my point is that if a sugar relationship is something youll be ashamed of later, then maybe shouldnt be doing it. I dont share myself with anyone who I think would bring me shame. Sure…endings, in most cases, are inevitable. When I look back on that relationship, I want to be able smile, not recoil in shame or disgust.

  155. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ATL – here you go…

    [http://shop.platinumstages.com/NEW-Hitch-Pole_p_376.html]

  156. MissLady says:

    Lol @atl, spot has been removed and mine fits better…

  157. MissLady says:

    I will look those up onsd

    I wonder how many serious sd’s actually attend those things

  158. THEATLSD says:

    @ONSD I saw it but could not link to it on my iphone. I lost it now, can you repost it.

    @misslady is that a Monica Lewinsky dress?

    Im off to make sugar money talk to y’all later

  159. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – as a SB, I might believe there are no more spots, since they are significantly discounting to SDs there may be more than a 10:1 ratio…

  160. THEATLSD says:

    @jay ..thanks
    @ONSD I received the same. Will interesting to hear how it goes.

    To the lovely and talented BLOG goddesses and writers can you please post another meaningless and poorly written blog. This one is taking to long to load.
    With much LOVE THEATLSD

  161. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I saw a message the other day that said it was sold out and that there was a waiting list

  162. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ATL – did you see my hitch accessory I shared with you for the pussy wagon?
    any comments?

  163. rembodler says:

    @Charlotte
    18-22 is the college age.
    This is simply a practicality.

  164. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ATL – NY Party must be struggling…saw an email for 50% off the VIP experience…maybe this will be a bit of a “wake up call” for marketing efforts at new members?

  165. THEATLSD says:

    @promise
    “@ATL Most likely just a fake SD account.”

    NO my naïve, lost little friend. It was real, it’s called sarcasm. She was trying to protect her identity because of her career. Which I totally relate to.

    @ONSD
    “Where’s @Chrissy – someone said “hump day”…we need to know if she’s broken in all her new office furniture yet ”

    You took the words out of my mouth!!!!!

  166. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL I really wish we still had to up vote feature. Well said indeed

  167. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – there’s living vicariously…then there’s remotely living…

    [http://we-vibe.com/we-vibe-4-plus]

    or, for a mutual remote experience…

    [https://www.kiiroo.com/product/onyx-pearl-couple/]

    The wevibe4 is a LOT of fun to remotely control…I’m very tempted to take the next step with the kiiroo…

  168. MissLady says:

    Lol @jay, I try to keep tight control over my alter ego and very rarely let her out in polite society…..shit happens *shrug*

  169. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ATL – well said…

  170. MissLady says:

    @onsd after I looked at the site I had to rethink it, I can’t turn down a roller coaster and it didn’t look no worse than that!

    Yes, who’s humping?? I need to live vicariously through someone for the time being…lol

  171. THEATLSD says:

    @Charoletteeee,
    “Thanks for clarifying, I was mistakenly started to presume people wanted to date under 23-22 years old girls”
    This has been talked to death on here also. The 25-32 age range is the respect age. Those SB seem to have mature enough to fully understand the game but are not yet jaded or carrying baggage the older SB have.
    I personally do not engage with anyone under 21 unless their birthday is close. I want to go out to bars at night not walk around the mall. ONSD myself and most SD have figure out through trial and error what works for us. The 18-23 SB are easy enough to get, do mostly to their naiveness and the tumblr/SA marketing effect. I enjoy the company of women and want to have intelligent conversation, sense of humor and be fun in the sack. I do not want to be constantly reminding them to put down the phone, if I want to be ignored and have a phone take priority then I will stay home.

    So many SB assume so much, that is why they have a hard time getting a decent SD.

  172. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady but my mind usually goes to the other version of humping lol

    I’m shocked I thought you were a Lady … apparently it’s a misnomer lol

  173. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Where’s @Chrissy – someone said “hump day”…we need to know if she’s broken in all her new office furniture yet 😉

  174. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss – at 100ft. open air would be like riding in the back of a pickup truck…more hair disaster than anything else…

    although the aircam is a bit more “open” than the icon from glancing at the sites…think of an airboat, just 100ft. off the water 😉

  175. Jaybird923 says:

    @Charlotte My specialty was couture formal/evening wear. It was my creative outlet. I love the artistry of designing one of a kind pieces that’s made especially for that person. I never wanted to see my work mass produced.

  176. MissLady says:

    Lol @jay, I loved that commercial campaign…but my mind usually goes to the other version of humping lol

  177. MissLady says:

    Open cockpit, that high in the air??? I would need Xanax first

  178. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady Every time someone says hump day now this is what I think of. lol
    [www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlFg-a1AJCU]

  179. @Charlotte says:

    @Jay

    It sounds like you are more into couture than into ready to wear.

    I honestly have no design base, only happen to know some outsourcers of some designer ready to wears like armani or D&G and main non asian out sourcers of retailers.

    So thinking about a low margain good quality line, with a little ” paris” script on the adressbook.

    But having no base neither in selling department nor in design doesn’t help much.

  180. MissLady says:

    Most entertaining day already!! Happy hump day

  181. Jaybird923 says:

    @Flyboy @Online Boys and their toys :) You guys are nuts. The only way you’d catch me in one of those things is if I was chloroformed and strapped in without my knowledge.

  182. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Fly – aircam looks like it would be fun!

  183. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Fly – Thanks! I appreciate the advice on the license…I’ll do some more research, there are a number of private schools in the area…I was thinking the same thing about all the lakes and rivers and woods in Michigan…

  184. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Charlotte – thanks for the reminder…I had seen the message, but hadn’t responded…I just sent you a message 😉

  185. Jaybird923 says:

    @Charlotte Don’t be sad. I must decline your offer. I’m a great designer but I’m to much of a control freak to do it for profit. I tried it after college but I kept turning down people because they were the wrong body shape for the type of designs they wanted. Or because I didn’t like their fabric choice.

    All I kept thinking is that when people ask who designed it they would say me and my reputation would be ruined before it started. That’s why I concentrated on the merchandising part of degree. I occasionally make things for people who give me complete control from fabric to design.

  186. FlyBoy says:

    OnlineNewbieSD:

    My only advice is to not get the “Sport Pilot” licence. If you are going to go through training, then continue on and do the “Private Pilot” licence. This way, a huge market of used and new airplanes open up to you, otherwise you are going to be stuck with only LSAs.

    ICON is beautiful little toy! I have a toy similar to it:

    []http://www.aircam.com/[]

    I love flying mine! A jet is cool for getting from A to B quickly. An aerobatics airplane is fun to thrash around. But nothing is more fun than flying an open cockpit doing 60 mph, 100 feet above the swamps of Florida. Man that’s fun!!!

    Cheers :)

  187. @Charlotte says:

    @ONSD

    Thanks for clarifying, I was mistakenly started to presume people wanted to date under 23-22 years old girls.

    Lying about age is in women’s genes, we claim to be older when we are younger the way around when older. Mother nature’s mistake to grow us older than 32 and younger than 18.

    And about the second thought, I actually never watched porn but will google porn actresses to get an age range in head.

    And I sent you an e-mail but it was a bit late as I was out, I am sorry for making it so late.

  188. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Charlotte – although…second thought…it SHOULD NOT surprise you about that age with the sex question…who are the most popular porn actresses? those who can pass for “barely legal” for the longest period of time…It’s the “Girl’s Gone Wild” phenomenon…

  189. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Charlotte – on the contrary…I usually hype that 23-27 age as prime time for SBs…be that looks or actual age.

    If she’s over 18, there’s nothing LEGALLY wrong with her being a SB for someone of any age…@Josh checks ID before sugar flows, which is a great idea if you’re dating under 21…I have made it a point to make meet #2 for drinks when she says she’s 21 and I question her age. If she gets carded, I watch the servers reaction to her ID…if it’s a look of disbelief, I’ll ask to see what the issue is…if it’s a “why did I ask for this” look, I’ll know she’s significantly older than 21. Be HONEST for fuck’s sake!

  190. @Charlotte says:

    @Jay

    You haven’t replied to my business proposal yet… :(

    Ça me fait de la peine.

  191. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ATL – no, haven’t made it to Chicago yet…I was supposed to have a training update this spring, but haven’t gotten the confirmation…and with family stuff happening the rest of this month and most of July, probably not till fall now :(

    @Fly – I saw that furniture and you were the first person I could think of that might appreciate it…serious question for you…I’ve been considering a sport license for a hobby with a few ultralight clubs around and many small airstrips (grass mostly) to get a little adventure…THEN…I stumbled upon the ICON A5 [http://www.iconaircraft.com/index.html] and thought…damn, that looks like a lot of fun! I know this is a toy to you, but…thoughts?

  192. @Charlotte says:

    What is this obsession about 20?
    This age obsession makes me wonder if some people are looking for teenager-looking girls at legal ages to avoid pedophilia related crimes…
    Really.
    Why do you mind age if she is good looking.
    Women do their best between 25-32 as many people say, but after 23 it is a shaming age on this blog.

  193. rembodler says:

    @Fly
    I never asked you anything. Perhaps except to see you tax returns.
    I do not find you interesting or entertaining. What you think about my character is not relevant. Anything else you care to say?

  194. FlyBoy says:

    You are Welcome, darling! :)

  195. Jaybird923 says:

    “Bitches don’t fuck bitches; bitches fuck men”
    Straight and simple. If want to fuck bitches, don’t be one them

    @FlyBoy Hats off to you again my friend. Another gem of a phrase. lol

  196. FlyBoy says:

    You ask what do I mean by “Man the fuck up”!

    Ok, let’s take a look at your post:

    “…Have you ever been catfishes?”
    many many times. Women get very creative with their photos, as if they are never going to see you in person. They say “athletic”. They have a nice face (or, at least, they used to). And, of course, they are told by their girlfriends they look 20.
    I go thru, I smile, I pay for dinner. When she says “So, what now?”, I say “Well, let’s think about it”. When she texts me back in an hour, how much she wants to go forward, I say something formal and polite like “Sorry, I am still getting over my marriage”.
    You lose some, but than you win some. And sometimes you win big.

    Ok, we all know you are lying! You have not met “many many” SBs, let alone have been catfished by “many many” SBs.

    So, why are you lying? Are you lying to get something – a low life behavior by the way that is practiced by both sexes. The answer is of course, NO.

    So, again, why are you lying? You are lying to ‘feel’ good. It’s just another opportunity to put women down.

    Well, doing things to feel better is most certainly a feminine behavior. If what is being done – lying in your case – is inappropriate, then it is bitch behavior.

    In summery, “Man the fuck up” is merely a reminder for the universal law which every man should know! To wit,

    “Bitches don’t fuck bitches; bitches fuck men”

    Straight and simple. If want to fuck bitches, don’t be one them.

    Cheers :)

  197. FlyBoy says:

    Promise:

    Marrying your SD/SM is incredibly wishful thinking. It happens, but very rarely.

    How does a 20 y/o virgin know about marriage between SDs and SBs?!!

    If you don’t want people to discover your proxies, then make sure they are realistic.

    Cheers :)

  198. FlyBoy says:

    OnlineNewbieSD:

    Thank you sir :) I am planning on building a new hangar and that type of furniture will be a great fit for its offices.

  199. Jaybird923 says:

    Marrying your SD/SM is incredibly wishful thinking. It happens, but very rarely.

    @Promise I Agree :)

  200. Charlotte says:

    @mensan333

    Thanks. It is true a SD can open doors into a new world for a young woman,man. However, one shouldn’t rush into thinking there are only billionaires on SA.

    It is highly possible that an upper-middle classer takes care of his SB better, as SA’s marketing policy deludes girls into finding millionaires by “oh there are only multi millionaires here! Oh only designer clothes here! Oh only fine dining here!”.

    Blog comments give a better idea about reality.

    On this notice SA should hire Josh, Onsd, atlsd and keke for explaining reality lol.

  201. Promise says:

    Marrying your SD/SM is incredibly wishful thinking. It happens, but very rarely.

  202. Jerry T96 says:

    Would anyone else besides me would eventually like to marry their sugar daddy/mama someday?

  203. Mensan333 says:

    @Charlotte

    I agree that there’s nothing that needs to be “hidden”; the world is changing for the better. Sexual liberation is the norm, only the backward minded would object against women empowering themselves here. Why date 50/50 with some drunken bro-ster when you could experience the high life with a powerful executive or a worldly engineer or a daring entrepreneur?

    Leaving the sugar world can be difficult though. You will likely have to come down to the harsh world of pre-sugaring, unless you are actually able to hunt down a real life millionaire. Do keep in mind that it’s much easier to get rich bf (or SD) as a SB than as a normal girl; because SDs know there’s no obligation to the SB, whereas the regular girl could be the future-wife. A SD can have hundreds of SBs but can only afford maybe 3 wives/ex-wives before his assets gets diluted too much.

  204. JohnnyNOC says:

    Apparently it can hurt someone who used to benefit from your company,
    when you say „I’ve had fun and all, BUT I…“
    However, they should also be reasonable and understand that we have lives outside
    our spending/adventurous travelling. Maybe I just want to be independent and self-sufficient for some time, maybe for the rest of our careers. Is there something wrong with that? NO!
    Don’t feel obligated to explain yourself once they state „I thought you were happy, I bought you [insert list.]“

    I totally agree with AngelaSA. Have no regrets and no need to deny your history of sugar fun, You learned many new social skills and gained much experience in life!

  205. Goddess says:

    I should have said my *new* comfort zone. Most of the men I met were absolute gents and larger than life characters. Santa Barbara and Chicago were my favorites :)

  206. Goddess says:

    I loved reading this Angela, made me reminiscent of some good times that could not have been had if I stayed in my comfort zone.
    I think to some degree I have broken up with sugar, I’m no longer emailing different guys to see who’ll reply, I wait for them to approach and they do. I’m totally focused on work (hello, you need to find a job like the lady said) and my first business launched with two more projects to be completed by the weekend. I met some extraordinary men you know? It was great and grand and in part it was because I never threw myself outside of my zone of comfort and they respected that. Honestly though now, who knows. I have been working too hard and ready to hire people to do the jobs I don’t wanna do. :)

  207. Promise says:

    @ATL Most likely just a fake SD account.

  208. Jaybird923 says:

    Just did a search on SA to look at newest SB
    One has her age as 115. I stop at 101.

    Plus she lacks in spelling “descreat”

    @ATL lol At that point does 14 years really make a difference? And cut her some slack maybe that’s how the word was spelled when she was a girl.

  209. THEATLSD says:

    @Promise
    Just did a search on SA to look at newest SB
    One has her age as 115. I stop at 101.

    Plus she lacks in spelling “descreat”

  210. Ms. Temptation says:

    Good night all.

  211. Ms. Temptation says:

    Yup Georgia is a little out of my neck of the woods as we say around here. However, I can make it to Florida in 2 hr 20min if I fly out of buffalo. I love that airport!

  212. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL We’ll I figured if I looked average they might actually read my profile instead of just looking at my pictures. I was optimistic that when we met they would remember I have a personality also… They didn’t lol

  213. THEATLSD says:

    @ONSD. Have you had any Chicago meets with the other bloggers?

  214. THEATLSD says:

    @Temptation
    The distance thing is an issue. Give it some time it can take up to a few months to find someone.

  215. Ms. Temptation says:

    I had one really great message from someone today but distance will be an issue for me. Damn.

  216. Ms. Temptation says:

    I keep getting booted out of blog. Screw it, I am going to eat cake, have a glass of milk and go to bed. Maybe I will wake up to a better day tomorrow. Lol

  217. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay
    “It was a failed experiment.”

    LMAO at work.

    @Promise. You have missed some good convos on that subject. I usually don’t search any over 43.

    @Temptation. Hello. How’s it going for you. Have you had any more hits. Everyday is a potential Friday.

  218. Melissa says:

    @ATL
    I’ve been good. Just keeping myself busy while the SD is away

  219. Ms. Temptation says:

    Hello all
    Someone please tell me tomorrow is friday! Lol

  220. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @struggle, @Kenna others with traveling lovers…found another toy that looks interesting…

    I’m interested in opinions on this interactive distance toy for couples from SD and SB!

    [www.kiiroo.com/product/onyx-pearl-couple/]

  221. Jaybird923 says:

    My last SB looked better in real life then in her pictures.
    @AtL The reverse catfish. I’ve intentionally posted mediocre pics online before. It was a failed experiment.

  222. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy You are so much nicer than I originally thought you were. You’re so sweet xoxo

  223. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Promise – not really a cut off on age… The oldest I’ve had an arrangement with was about 5 years older than me, a recurring event affair…

  224. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    “…Have you ever been catfishes?”
    many many times. Women get very creative with their photos, as if they are never going to see you in person. They say “athletic”. They have a nice face (or, at least, they used to). And, of course, they are told by their girlfriends they look 20.
    I go thru, I smile, I pay for dinner. When she says “So, what now?”, I say “Well, let’s think about it”. When she texts me back in an hour, how much she wants to go forward, I say something formal and polite like “Sorry, I am still getting over my marriage”.
    You lose some, but than you win some. And sometimes you win big.

  225. Promise says:

    Do any of the SD’s have a cut off age?

  226. THEATLSD says:

    @Melissa. Great minds. How have you been?

    @Jay. I was catfished on body but not face with my very first meet.
    My last SB looked better in real life then in her pictures.

  227. Melissa says:

    @ATL
    Exactly what I was thinking

  228. Jaybird923 says:

    @all This is what we have been reduced to discussing. Changing light bulbs. You guys are supposed to be my entertainment.

    I have a question. Have you ever been catfished? If the answer is yes, what happened and how did you handle it?

  229. THEATLSD says:

    How many SA sugarbabies does it take to change a lightbulb?

    Zero she will have SD Hire someone to do it.

  230. Jaybird923 says:

    @IHF One to call the handy man to come do it. An SA Sugarbaby is to high class to do manual labor.

  231. Melissa says:

    @IHF
    Zero

  232. IHF2030 says:

    How many SA sugarbabies does it take to change a lightbulb?

  233. THEATLSD says:

    #winningtheproxywar

  234. MissLady says:

    Which brings up a point, where has everyone disappeared to??

  235. MissLady says:

    Lol @melissa it has been kinda slow…I will have bring my horns out of storage lol

  236. Josh says:

    @CucumberOnLids

    I hope you go easy on the poor SD(s) so that they don’t run away from SA or sugar altogether.

  237. Melissa says:

    @MissLady
    Instigate..the blog seems to be boring today and I’m in need of entertainment lol

  238. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “I have met @flyR. He is very much a man, and one who is very happy in his relational life. @Josh’s continuous suggesting that he is a woman is so funny.”

    Equally funny that it comes from a woman who believes that @Josh = @FunDude = @GeorgiaPeach = @Latin = @Rembodler = @God Knows Who Else. 😉

  239. Jaybird923 says:

    @cucumber Congrats! Glad things have taken a turn for the better. Hope all goes well.

  240. CucumberOnLids says:

    I’m so glad I didn’t retreat from the sugar bowl. Finally spoke to the real deal! We chatted for three hours and I already can sense his honestly and down to earth vibe. We’re having dinner this weekend and he’s already promised to gift me for my time. He’s the second SD that has that no nonsense relaxed essence my past SD was the first.

    Ohh and there’s more. He’s handsome, love the facial hair and he has a business mind that just sings to me. I really love the way this man’s mind works! It’s refreshing.

    I spoke to another Pot today and he’s also pretty easy going. I missed out on dating him because I was already in an arrangement with my first SD last month. Now I’m free to date him so we’ll see. So far what he seeks and what he offers is more than reasonable:)

    Yah! Just had to get through the frog fog!

    Did anyone just love that blackout last night? Talk about bad timing.

    So far things are looking up:) I’ll report back how things went:) **keeps fingers crossed*

  241. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy Oh. Well that didn’t come up when I searched for “petname birdy”

  242. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    “Birdy (singer)
    Wikipedia › wiki › Birdy_(singer)
    Jasmine Lucilla Elizabeth Jennifer van den Bogaerde (born 15 May 1996), better known by her stage name Birdy, is an …”

  243. Jaybird923 says:

    @LAdy go for it. It works out well for me lol

  244. MissLady says:

    ….I wonder if it’s my turn to instigate

  245. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy Not hanging out with the younger generation is a conscious choice. I always preferred the company of my elders… That’s why I enjoy our banter so much :))

    And I googled it before you suggested I do so. It’s mostly links about how it’s a good name for a female dog. Remmy, did you not mean the name to complimentary? Was this your way of implying I’m a bitch? I hope I am mistaken. I would be deeply hurt if that’s the case since I hold you in such high regards.

  246. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    Well, maybe you should hang out more with younger generation, but I guess, that is the luxury that SDs have more of… :-)).
    Just for fun, google “Birdy” and see what comes out on top.
    on top…:-)).

  247. Jaybird923 says:

    @Georgia Have a safe trip

  248. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Hey Folks,
    Taking a trip to VA to chk on my dear old Dad. Will be off here for a few days. Please continue with your delightful conversations. ATLSD, I do hope you succeeded in taking care of your plumbing issue. Joshie, I’ll miss you and everyone else. :) Smile folks – things will get better and it takes far less muscles to smile than to frown. :)

  249. Jaybird923 says:

    @Remmy You think so? For some reason that seems like an old lady’s nick name to me. “Ethel and Birdy have been fast friends since their first day at the nursing home”
    I do like how you ended your last post… Babes is totally acceptable to me :-))

  250. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    U probably meant “more geriatric”?
    If you are less geriatric than Birdy…you are underage and should not be on SA, babes…

  251. Promise says:

    I’m back.

  252. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem LOL Remmy I was not offended. That being said I must object to the petname Birdy. I don’t believe I care for it. Remmy baby I would appreciate your coming up with something a little less geriatric.

  253. rembodler says:

    @Birdy
    Well, I was not referring to that particular case, just in general, to such calculations as an exercise in futility. :-)).
    And do not be so offended with “nexting”, even I never said you are/were, again, purely hypothetical. Some times we are being nexted, the other times we next them. All in all, nothing wrong with it. Just liberates you to find a new opportunity to increase your assets while having fun.

  254. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL I know the SDs lie. I just wish he would’ve done a better job at it. If lied and listed my income at $200,000 I would’ve have offered a $1500 allowance after I have been with the SB for a bit and I’m confident that she’s not a Tumblr/Instagrm SB. I would increase it over time.

    On another note Why do I need to Expand my horizons?

  255. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem Of course Remmy (That’s what I plan on calling you from now on, hope you don’t mind) I am entertained. And you never read what I write correctly. I was not the one nexted but the one doing the nexting. I didn’t like his personality.

  256. MissLady says:

    Lol @gentleman I thought there was no such thing as an unhappy sd!

  257. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay As ONSD Stated most SD lie about they income and net. I did when I first started and didn’t have a clue. I was afraid of gold diggers and blackmailers. I’m more informed now.

  258. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    I am not really sure these calculations are of any use, unless u r entertained. An SB can realistically count on a month of allowance from a starter SD. Just because someone can afford to support you does not mean they will support you, given the variety SA offers. Do u really care why someone nexted you – because they run out of money or simply decided to move on?

  259. gentleman soul says:

    @MissLady
    Lol @jay hmmm I wonder if it would help if sb’s had to come with 2 solid references?? Or does that mean she’s been run through…

    I like it ! There should be references from a happy SD-in detail. Oh-I forgot ! Actually TER and Escorts dot com already has them

  260. Jaybird923 says:

    Hey, a collage gal has got to make it somehow…
    @Lady lol true

  261. MissLady says:

    @onsd @Jay & @Miss – if you can get SD to write you a letter of recommendation, I’m sure you COULD use Sugar as a job on your resume…would be more “real” than this shit

    Hey, a collage gal has got to make it somehow…

  262. MissLady says:

    Good luck dash, hope you stay and share your chronicles!

  263. MissLady says:

    Lol @jay hmmm I wonder if it would help if sb’s had to come with 2 solid references?? Or does that mean she’s been run through…

  264. MissLady says:

    Yes onsd it is a job! Background checks, cost benefits analysis, P/E ratios, quarterly dividends/bonuses, performance reviews, gold digger prevention conferences….

    @jay smart move!

  265. Jaybird923 says:

    @DASH Welcome! And good luck with POT SB

  266. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online SD Reference letter: To Whom it may concern, SB has been a valuable asset to me and I hate to see her leave. She has been instrumental in helping me alleviate stress. She enthusiastically takes on whatever role is required of her without complaint. And is always willing to drop everything to help out when I need a hand … lol

  267. Dashing says:

    Hey Sugar Peeps

    Well… I’m back into the sugar world. I had been here a year or so back and having another go at it. Career plus new business seems to be the catalyst for making me look for some kind of escape.

    Hope everyone is well. I met one person yesterday I am hopeful of. She is a good mix of maturity and chaos. Beauty, spirit and brains… but it’s very early yet. We will see!

    Dash

  268. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay & @Miss – if you can get SD to write you a letter of recommendation, I’m sure you COULD use Sugar as a job on your resume…would be more “real” than this shit!

    [www.today.com/money/fake-diplomas-sale-online-doctorate-degrees-deceit-t24806]

  269. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Miss & @Jay – I’ll say it over and over again…sugar is a job…on both sides of the arrangement…that’s why SB gets an allowance and SD gets distracted by SB’s work 😉

  270. flyR says:

    % of income –

    Really irrelevant

    Case 1 SD has 80% LTV loan on large house, 3 kids in college and a wife who thinks shopping and body sculpting is an occupation. High income zero disposable 5% might break the bank

    Case 2 – SD has zero debt , kids gone substantial assets but low yield 200% of income might be just fine especially if he is not worried about his estate.

    Typical private school in LA is $2-$4 k per month plus “voluntary” gifts. Good friend was worried about getting his kid into exclusive school. They suggested he donate a building…….. this was a preschool.

    As online notes – stated income is usually determined by working backwards from the intended result. If I want freebies from gold diggers I’ll play billionaire , if I am looking for more grounded probably substantially understate.

  271. Jaybird923 says:

    I swear, after all the analysis that has to be done sb’s should be able to put business analyst down as job skills lol

    @LAdy I updated my resume last week to include it

  272. Jaybird923 says:

    @Gentleman He offered me $4,000 a month and his income is listed as $200,000

    @online I definitely smell a rat he says he needs discretion and in the same paragraph gives his job tittle and where he works( not the name of the company but the location) and the bragging about all the luxury items he has/likes (major turn off.) It felt like someone who was trying to hard to convince me.

  273. MissLady says:

    I swear, after all the analysis that has to be done sb’s should be able to put business analyst down as job skills lol

  274. MissLady says:

    Another slow day in the neighborhood

  275. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – the profile is where you try to connect with your target demographic…if you’re NOT looking for the overt gold digger, you understate things…if you ARE looking for a gold digger, you probably overstate things…the dance happens in the messaging…can you smell the rat? is it obvious he’s under/over stating things? are his lines straight out of the PUA guidebook? is he asking for too much/little for the amount he’s offering? etc etc etc…

  276. gentleman soul says:

    @Jay
    @online Since you’re a numbers guy what percentage of your income do you think an SD should spend on sugar? I say 10%. I received a generous offer today but it was 24% of his income which I think is ridiculous. I turned him down but I had to resist the urge to give him financial advice.

    Sugar is an addiction and some guys who can’t afford it spend much of their disposable income on it . I think 10%(disposable net ,not gross) is a reasonable amount for a serious hobby . Many men spend that on golf, offshore fishing ,etc . Serious Sugar Daddies concentrate on Pursuit of pussy at the expense of most other things . So a Daddy who grosses $500,000 nets $ 295K after taxes and should be able to afford $30K /yr for Sugar. So you are looking at $2000/month allowance leaving $1000 to provide gifts,dining,travel . Your 24% example might be a guy who nets $125000 and imprudently spends the same on Sugar. Maybe he is single,has no debt ,and lives frugally. So he can blow off $30K/yr on pure pleasure .

  277. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I didn’t turn him down because of that. Money isn’t high on my list. I simply didn’t care for his personality.He’s a braggart. And there were other inconsistencies. I was just curious. I would lie about my net worth but not my income if I were an SD.

  278. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – don’t look at his profile Income number and think it’s his actual Income…he could put his sugar budget on there, so he’s offering you a deal at 25% of what he budgets. He could have liquid assets that he uses for this, or a company expense account he uses for some of his sugar. He might not have any expenses either…just because you expect a mortgage, car payment, private plane crew, yacht crew, house staff to be expenses that eat into his income doesn’t mean he has those expenses! If he has lived within his means and has no debt, he could be living on very little of his actual income, freeing up more for sugar…

    Here’s the thing…10% sounds like a nice number, but, it’s up to the offer, your “spidey” sense about the b.s. he’s throwing at you about his profile numbers, your personal investigation into him, etc.

    Don’t sell the offer short, he could be pulling from many pots to live the lifestyle 😉

  279. gentleman soul says:

    @MissLady
    Hmmmm @gentleman cause junk photos are vital…..lol you might get a pass

    Thanks Sweetie. Must use a wide view lens Ahem !

    @KeKe
    Who is getting sued for $2M?

    That guy is worth $hundreds of millions. If you are that rich you are a target for every shakedown artist around .

  280. Jaybird923 says:

    @online Since you’re a numbers guy what percentage of your income do you think an SD should spend on sugar? I say 10%. I received a generous offer today but it was 24% of his income which I think is ridiculous. I turned him down but I had to resist the urge to give him financial advice.

  281. Charlotte says:

    @ONSD

    I will mail you thanks.

  282. Charlotte says:

    @ONSD
    Oh meeting your SD overseas is something else, Europe is a like a big country but composed of small countries. Travelling inside Europe is somewhat safe excluding countries like Romania or Bulgaria etc.

    It isn’t hard to take a train to turn home, no currency problems etc.

    I wouldn’t travel to meet with someone in a place to which I am totally stranger.

    I started to google your recommodations. Also my friends know I am travelling with ” with my busy boyfriend-alike”. Also got an international call card for my phone.

    But I trust him, he is a very nice person.

  283. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Shar/Char – some added tips for overseas travel that are often forgotten:

    Have your own copy of a map of the area you’re visiting…mark things like airports, hotels where you’re staying (and maybe a few others you can afford if things go sour), American Embassy (if you’re going to be close to any)…it’s okay to jot down the phone numbers for those places as well so you can easily call if needed.

    Make sure you have photocopies of your identification stored securely but accessible in case your identification goes “missing”…may also be a good idea to scan and place on an encrypted USB drive that is hidden in your carryon…

    I recommend you find a carryon that is mobile friendly, rather than fashionable (meaning, you can grab and RUN, rather than pull awkwardly)

    If you want more tips onsdthrowaway at gmail

  284. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Shar/Char – I would consider the following blog as one resource to prepare for a potential bad journey…

    [http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-ways-for-women-to-stay-safe-when-traveling-alone/]

    Also, I will say buying fake identification that will pass TSA security is on the FBI’s watchlist…it is not as difficult as it sounds…

    If you’re traveling WITH SD, that’s a bit different than traveling to MEET SD…especially when it’s a FIRST MEETING!

    If you’ve already met him, “know” him, and have spent time with him…travel is something to consider…I think @ATL and I were focused on the SB who is traveling overseas for a FIRST MEET.

    Consider the tactical pen and the discreet handcuff key in any travel event…EDC gear that is TSA friendly can be discreet and save you from many problems! (oh, EDC stands for Every Day Carry)

  285. Charlotte says:

    @ONSD

    I follow your advices on safety, thanks.

  286. Charlotte says:

    @FlyR

    Travelling with a stranger can be dangerous in most cases, but if you both are travelling you will have his real identity unless you are ” dating” with class A criminal who can cheat passport chips.

    While confused, as a stamp of my stupity after flying out to meet my SD, I am flying an east asian country for second meeting, in less than a week time.

  287. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Sharo-lette – It’s not “stupidity” to WANT it to work out…it’s naivety…as I said, if you’ve traveled before to the area proposed by the SD (so you’re familiar with the “shady” parts), you’ve traveled SOMEWHERE with a SD (because there are different expectations for travel with a SD than a bf or family or friends) and you’re ready, willing and able to handle the trip on your own if need be (meaning, decide to stay somewhere without him, or get yourself back to the airport and change flights to get home, all without receiving anything from the SD) you will probably be fine…

    I’d look into self-defense and “prepper” gear that is EDC and TSA compatible though…because people ARE taken every day…a sexy young woman commands a high price in the sex trade! Minimum would be a good tactical pen (and some training in proper use), discreet handcuff key, read some blogs about solo travel safety (because you are in essence on your own – especially if SD turns out to be a dud)…

    Just be SAFE, trust your “spidey” sense, and PREPARE to be on your own!

  288. flyR says:

    @ Sharo – There was a time when many of the girls working in the biker bars of Daytona and Tampa had literally been drugged and kidnapped from Canada .

  289. flyR says:

    Posts relating to the topic are rarer than virgins on SA

  290. Sharo-lette says:

    “@Sharo-lette. Could traveling to met a SD the first time work. It can and I know for a fact it did but that’s more rainbows and unicorns. There is some wise old SD here saying it’s not smart. We didn’t get where we are in life being stupid.

    “@Charlotte – I’m with @ATL on this one! First meet FOREIGN travel is nucking futs…UNLESS…you’re a seasoned traveler to that area, have traveled with a SD before, will be meeting them publicly and have the cash ready to take care of yourself while there or to bug out at the first sign of an issue!

    Have you seen Taken? You DO realize that shit ACTUALLY happens? The sex trade has even hit the Midwest pretty hard with abductions in parking lots of major retailers after tailing people through the store!”

    @ATL after reading @ONSD’s comment I was going to say maybe I was living under the rainbow then read your comment about unicorns and rainbows.

    Where do I get stamped for my stupidty?

  291. flyR says:

    Remember the mistress wifey war goes both ways.

    Sterling’s wife , not satisfied with her $1 billion share of the proceeds from the sale of the clippers went after Sterling’s trashy girlfriend and all the money he gave her ( cars condos etc I think it was something like $5 mil)

    The whole disgusting story raises the question if wifey and the girlfriend conspired to destroy Sterling or it was simply two vengeful women.

    My racing partner advanced the theory that you should never have sex with someone crazier than yourself. With Sterling that left him with considerable latitude.

  292. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Must be a very busy week…light on conversation yesterday and so far today!

  293. Jaybird923 says:

    Good Morning to all my SA Friends Hope everyone has a fantastic day today.

  294. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @ONLINESD
    Of course, there will be a new topic. Josh is THE Guru here, right? LOL

  295. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – I was thinking it…but since you said it, it should be posted in the near future, right?

  296. Josh says:

    ‘Tis time for a new article.

  297. Josh says:

    E – Get off here , say goodbye.”

    Wouldn’t that be special, Madame @flyR? 😉

  298. flyR says:

    JDoe – Thanks for sharing the story with us. I’m sorry you had to go through this but what a great way to end it without being at his place .

    Now you have a real life story to share with your next pot……. I feel funny bringing this up so early in the conversation but I invested quite a bit of time and effort in a gentleman who it turns out never intended to fulfill the purpose of the site. I just want to be sure that you are comfortable with an allowance being part of the relationship.

    Good luck in the future …….. you did great

  299. flyR says:

    Re Man the Fuck Up…….

    @Josh, who writes, “How does a man “Man the fuck up” when he has 3 under-age children whom he does not want to put through a custody battle, and/or does not want to give them up to his mind-raping wife?”

    A – The odds of your situation being all her fault and zero your fault are about the same as winning the lottery.

    B- To have a great SB you have to be worthy of one or a great BS artist . You need to park the anger and guilt in the closet and learn to react to life without trying to punish others for your problems.

    C- If you are just relying on your dollars go for a good hooker, you’ll get better mileage and they are professionals in dealing with the wounded.

    D – Look for an SB whom you are comfortable with. It sounds like you need a friend more than sex.

    E – Get off here , say goodbye. All you are doing is feeding your anger.

  300. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    LOL.
    Speaking from the “older lady’s viewpoint”… ROTFLMAO.
    Hey, you’re talking about the male issues; some OLDER ladies also have problems, why do you think they are coming out with the female version of that little blue pill? Particularly as many (NOT ME) women age, many things are not what they used to be for them, either. The entire story just amuses me to no end. It almost sounds like the old story of “Who’s on First,” i.e., which mistress came first, who’s there now, where’s the wife, etc. LOL

    @TheATLSD
    Sir, did you get your HOME plumbing problems repaired? Seemed to be quite an issue for you last night. 😉

  301. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL We do?

  302. THEATLSD says:

    @ temptation. Your welcome.

    @Reb. I had a feeling that might be where he was going. Seems a lot of SD are coming over here for the FWB instead of the real reason.

    @Sharo-lette. Could traveling to met a SD the first time work. It can and I know for a fact it did but that’s more rainbows and unicorns. There is some wise old SD here saying it’s not smart. We didn’t get where we are in life being stupid.

    @Jay we need to expand your Horizons.

    I’m out, totally whipped.

  303. hototrot1 says:

    @Cucumber
    “Maybe he expected her to just die of natural causes since they aren’t really all that young for this kind of drama to begin with.”

    I know you were being serious here, but I burst out laughing just now! Because it’s probably true…

  304. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh I’ve been feeling bad all day because I thought that was the situation you were in.

  305. Josh says:

    @Downtown

    The scenario was hypothetical. Thanks for the indulgence. :)

  306. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay & @MissLady – thanks for the vote of confidence and laugh…offline for a bit, but I should be back tonight…

  307. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online don’t even say that word. In this format I won’t be able to minimize it.

  308. MissLady says:

    Lol you might be safe from that onsd

  309. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @MissLady – I just hope this doesn’t produce the same proxy discussion that tends to follow agreement and compliment to ideas!

  310. MissLady says:

    Lol obi wan you are getting quoted a lot today…

  311. MissLady says:

    And they say older women don’t have a chance…

  312. Jaybird923 says:

    I miss being able to edit “He should sue them”

  313. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @cucumber – wow…over promising and under delivering…very good padawan! 😉

  314. MissLady says:

    Lol no one wasn’t counting on Him living that long, she wanted to be in his will…

  315. Jaybird923 says:

    I blame the pharmaceutical companies. Maybe he should them for putting him in this situation. All that Viagra and Cialis how’s a man to resist a hot 67 year old babe.

  316. CucumberOnLids says:

    How many mistresses did the man have? I think the problem with this man is that he allowed these women to get too involved with his life. He couldn’t just enjoy their company. Now in this situation she did save him from another lawsuit of 3mil from his previous mistress. I mean the guy is apparently over promising and under delivering. He should stop promising these women that he’ll leave his wife. Maybe he expected her to just die of natural causes since they aren’t really all that young for this kind of drama to begin with.

  317. MissLady says:

    And I will add to jay’s summary, his other, other mistress is suing him also…

  318. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Verbal contracts…what a clusterfuck! I pity the old man in defending this…it may be best to settle for something, especially now that the affair is public…

  319. Jaybird923 says:

    For anyone who doesn’t want to read the article. Here’s the summary. 67 year old mistress is suing 88 year old lover because 72 year old second wife refuses to divorce him. Because she was also his “assistant” for 6 years she feels she should be compensated with $2million for the “work” she did outside the bedroom.

  320. MissLady says:

    Hold the f up….I didn’t get past the second paragraph 67 year old mistress and an 88 year old lover…?!?!?

  321. MissLady says:

    I almost forgot about that lawsuit comment, guess he will come back later

  322. Jaybird923 says:

    here is the link to the story
    [http://nypost.com/2015/06/06/mistress-sues-her-ex-lover-for-not-leaving-his-wife/]

  323. Jaybird923 says:

    @Keke he said to stay tune for updates but never came back to fill us in.

  324. DowntownLASD says:

    @Josh, who writes, “How does a man “Man the fuck up” when he has 3 under-age children whom he does not want to put through a custody battle, and/or does not want to give them up to his mind-raping wife?”

    Definitely a shit sandwich there, to be sure. I would say this: if this is indeed your situation, and you’re here having discussions with men and women who are engaged in Sugar relationships, you’re not investing your time wisely. “Man the fuck up” might mean putting this shit down for a stretch and seeking the help of a therapist, a lawyer, or both. Sorry if that sounds harsh. But a man in his power with a wife like yours might sometimes offer to show her the door if she’s so unhappy, and then deal with the fallout. Regardless of how she is showing up, you need to be a rock and totally dependable. Being here lessens your dependability.

  325. Keke says:

    Who is getting sued for $2M?

  326. Keke says:

    @GP….ah thanks! It’s one of my favorites.

  327. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I know…maybe you are the counterpoint to my advice today so @Josh is satisfied he can still easily pick out those “other than desirable” 😉

  328. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady I apologize in advance for any surge in duck lip photos. lol I hate seeing those pics I wonder who started that trend.

  329. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online I try to be helpful and you call me an instigator :)

  330. Ms. Temptation says:

    @online
    thank you will give that some more thought. I can see how description paints a picture.

  331. MissLady says:

    Nope @onsd, I need a sarcasm sign flashed at me a la Big Bang theory….

  332. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @MissLady – must read sarcasm…sorry…I forgot the obligatory lol or whatever at the end of that line 😉

  333. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @KeKe
    New Barbie doll gravi. I like. Looks just like you!:)

  334. MissLady says:

    @jdoe you handled that nicely.

    @jay watch the duck lip photos quadruple cause they don’t read sarcasm lol

    @onsd, what’s a little more bad behavior gonna hurt lol

  335. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Temptation – make the SD see himself if you get descriptive in what you say…along the lines of:

    You’ll love to guide me around the dancefloor whether it’s the waltz or swing

    Or

    You’re the type that sees a vacation as a way to experience something exciting between our time alone together, scuba, para sailing, kite boarding then the comfort of a private cabana to relax and catch our breath…or not!

  336. Ms. Temptation says:

    @ATL
    Thank you so much for you advice on my profile. I have made most of the changes suggested. Very helpful!
    @Online
    I wonder if I should say more in terms of what I am looking for in an SD. Will give that more thought. Thank you for your advice.
    Thank you to others for catching my typos. Have corrected those as well.

  337. KeKe says:

    @ATL. .. kmp kmp 708 yahoo… :-)

  338. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – you’re such an instigator 😉

    Don’t encourage bad behavior…there’s enough of that already!

  339. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Charlotte – I’m with @ATL on this one! First meet FOREIGN travel is nucking futs…UNLESS…you’re a seasoned traveler to that area, have traveled with a SD before, will be meeting them publicly and have the cash ready to take care of yourself while there or to bug out at the first sign of an issue!

    Have you seen Taken? You DO realize that shit ACTUALLY happens? The sex trade has even hit the Midwest pretty hard with abductions in parking lots of major retailers after tailing people through the store!

  340. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I know, sometimes I feel like a broken record on the profile stuff…

    @Josh – I’m not sure giving advice like this will hurt the process…the pros that remove the language from their profile will not be able to help themselves in messages, or, at the first meet she’ll pull out her mobile card reader for her first month’s allowance and you’ll be able to RUN!!!

  341. Charlotte says:

    @THEATLSD
    “@Reb and any other SB that is offered for you to travel to an unknown entity. First your nucking futs. Second you need to turn the tables. Ask the SD to fly to your city get a nice hotel room and you will show him around the city. If he balks then probably a scam.”

    Maybe SB can fly out, if it isn’t a major fly out, supposing she would know the local lannguage have enough cash to return home etc.

    But meeting in a neutral country /city, staying in diffirent hotels, checking flight confirmations, keeping it short like for a day/night are musts.

    Best way to learn about a person is to travel with.

    And if things aren’t going well, you aren’t stuck visiting around a person who you don’t like.

  342. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady. No you are most definitely wrong. Duck lips are still in. Ask any of the SDs and they’ll tell you. If you see a profile that don’t include at least one duck lip pic and one bathroom pic, then you know she’s a Pro for sure.

    Make sure to add them Lady I would hate to see you miss out on a great SD because you didn’t read your handbook.

  343. Jaybird923 says:

    @Jdoe You are welcome. I have a six sense about peoples intentions. I think I might be a little psychic. You live You learn. Next time you’ll know what to do. Good luck with your search. :)

  344. JDoe says:

    @Jaybird923/@THEATLSD/@flyR and everyone else who gave advice, I just wanted to let you all know how it turned out re the pot SD that invited me to his place this Friday, although we hadn’t discussed an allowance.

    I text him yesterday morning and said we had so much fun together on our meet that we never got a chance to discuss an allowance, and asked that he call me whenever he got a chance so that we could discuss it before I went to his place this Friday.

    I received a reply this morning saying “I’m sorry, I was hoping for a fwb situation and thought that’s what you were looking for.”

    I came up with a couple of smartass replies, but ultimately said nothing and decided I’d better just stop talking to him. Honestly, I got a pretty good laugh out of the whole thing, if nothing else.

    Thank you all again for your input and suggestions, they were very helpful!

  345. flyR says:

    It is doubtful if a serious hooker is looking here for advice… However, unknowing pure as the driven technovirgin SB’s may casually use the term to their detriment.

  346. MissLady says:

    @jay, *drops my geisha handbook and picks up sugar baby book*

    And here I thought duck lips were so 2001…..

  347. Josh says:

    Random advise to women to better their profiles is detrimental to SDs’ welfare. For example, telling whores to not use “hun”, “looking for real SD”, etc., in their profiles makes it difficult to filter out whores.

  348. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady yes that’s what they are used for. Didn’t you get the Sugar Baby 101 handbook? It’s right after the section on duck lips.

  349. Jaybird923 says:

    I Just saw gentleman soul’s comment lol we thinking along the same lines.

  350. MissLady says:

    Lol @ jay, so that’s what they’re used for?? Ok let me go practice and I will reevaluate my statement

  351. MissLady says:

    Hmmmm @gentleman cause junk photos are vital…..lol you might get a pass

  352. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady How else are we to get half naked pictures of ourselves without having to explain why we need them?

  353. gentleman soul says:

    @MissLady
    How about banning mirror/bathroom pictures!!

    Where else are we guys going to do our junk photos ?

  354. MissLady says:

    How about banning mirror/bathroom pictures!!

  355. gentleman soul says:

    @ONSD

    Always has good advice and seems to be a kind soul. I appreciate you man .

    The Serious SD seekers I agree are Pros or SBs who have unfortunately been hassled by the pretenders. The bottom line is -put your best profile foot forward and deal with the good ,bad,and the ugly . Anytime you insert negative or snippy comments into the text it reflects badly on you -not the dirtballs

  356. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    to all the SBs working on profiles…

    I now believe that anyone listing “Serious SD only” is a pro…I was glancing through profiles, since no one seems to be online commenting today, and every one I glanced at that said “Serious only” screamed of escort/entertainer pics and text…which means one of two things:

    1. There are a lot of pros on SA (I think we’ve already beaten that horse enough)
    2. There are a lot of newbies on SA who are getting profile advice from the pro tumblr crowd

    So, to differentiate yourself from the crowd of what SDs will ass-u-me are the pros…eliminate that from your text!

    Oh, and I cannot say this enough…DO NOT have a messy room (or bathroom) in the background of your mirror pictures!!!!!!

  357. Josh says:

    @FlyGirl

    Let’s hear your specific female version…

    How does a man “Man the fuck up” when he has 3 under-age children whom he does not want to put through a custody battle, and/or does not want to give them up to his mind-raping wife?

  358. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online yes there was. hopefully the conversation picks up. It is Monday maybe everyone else actually has work to do.

  359. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I thought it was you, but after like 5 minutes of scrolling without finding it, I just did the generic “thanks” 😉

    There was a bit of conversation over the weekend, huh?

    Are things going to continue to scroll, or are we going to be quiet during the day today (probably, since I seem to have some time to kill and talk)

  360. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online You are quite welcome. It was sound advice and worthy of being repeated simple and to the point no need for explanations. :)

  361. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Fly – a boring conference call means I found something for you!

    [www.motoart.com/products/beds]

  362. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Thank you to the person citing some of my past advice…I missed the discussion around @Temptation’s profile…I had a suggestion for her (and probably for @ATL’s new pussy wagon)…a way to prove your ability 😉

    [shop.platinumstages.com/NEW-Hitch-Pole_p_376.html]

    @Temptation – you’re on your way…remember that men are visual…the more your profile helps him “see” things about you or him being with you the quicker you’ll attract him…just make sure you’re painting the picture for your target SD, not the assholes and douchebags!

  363. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ATL
    “Lastly, instead of thus use ‘Ergo’. Just kidding please don’t do that.”

    Hahahaha

  364. gentleman soul says:

    @Reb

    Sorry,others answered this already.

    The thing is,if one is still hawking the site there are constant temptations to distract Sugars from their chosen one . So I do think it is a good idea to inactivate the account,make it invisible so there isn’t that time sucking need to keep checking messages. I can’t help myself . I will respond to cute girls contacting me and I will sign them up even if I have a good SB already . Out of sight /mind is necessary for me to focus. It is like standing in a room where some game you don’t give a damn about is on the TV . Every time a play elicits a roar I am staring intently at the action . It’s terribly distracting . Cute girls talking to me elicit that same response . It’s Pavlovian . If one SB is good 2 or 3 are better even if I don’t have the time or money to spend on them . So I have to turn the account off .

    @Bareback sex

    Yes ! I should’ve included that as a deal breaker. Even better is a (already)pregnant hot young girl . No need for birth control since somebody else made the down payment .

  365. gentleman soul says:

    @CucumberOnLids
    My initial approach to getting details out of the way online was working to avoid the nonsense.

    I agree Cuc . I try to resolve all the issues up front so I(we) won’t waste time and money . Important points for me are 1)attraction 2) money, and 3) sex . If we agree on those points then I will meet them and go from there . A Pot has to fess up to her willingness to have sex with her Daddy. Obviously there has to be a level of attraction for her to go to bed with him .(or else she is an escort bedding for money) And if she is willing to consider me given my allowance offer then we are good to go .

    Here’s a red flag
    SB:I’m specific about what I will/not do
    me: what will you do/not do ?
    SB: you go first
    Me:well ,I expect romance with my Baby
    SB:no answer

    No wonder she is still looking

    @Reb
    This current SD is jumping the gun a little too quickly. He keeps mentioning how if we work out, I will have to delete my SA account asap. The problem is, I have been on SA for years. My account has helped me since I have a huge blocked list for the scammers and time wasters. I am hoping if I do delete it, I can get it back reinstated :/. Ugh. My past SDs never insisted I deleted my account. I would just not sign in.

  366. Jj says:

    … …. … …. .. just off the “wire”… .. …. … .. Breaking news!!!! Ms Lady Lover, suing here paramour for $2M for not divorcing his wife!!! More as this develops!!!!

  367. THEATLSD says:

    @ keke I just tried emailing you. It rejected. What was your email again.

  368. MissLady says:

    Lol @jay, I’ll take notes!

  369. THEATLSD says:

    @Keke are you reference the AFF party?
    If so, my bad, it happened in March. I miss read the info. They have pictures from the party. Sorry.

    Speaking of party’s, the big SA hoot n nanny is this weekend. Anybody going?
    If anybody goes including you non-posting lurkers give us an update.

  370. THEATLSD says:

    @Temptation overall it works just needs to be reworded.
    This line should be the last line of ” What I’m look for” instead of “About Me”
    I am looking to enjoy your company and enrich your life.

    In “What I’m looking” for you need to break up the subject matter.
    After “fun” start a new paragraph.

    We SD don’t want to hear about your challenges in life, that’s drama, Homey don’t do drama. Edit the next paragraph to something like this.

    “I long to be more submissive in a relationship, I enjoy and often feel relieved to have someone else take the reins and control of a situation. This can be an energizing moment for me in a relationship psychologically and physically. ”

    The last items, if they are important to you can be listed instead of paragraph.
    Prefer a nonsmoker.
    Discretion is a must, I will respect your privacy as should you should mine.
    Private photos unlocked upon meaningful communication.

    That’s all you need there, the “be creative” line is worthless the trolls and p4p guys are still going to send you messages.

    As for the part about preferred single SD. You said you were open to others if it was right. Most married SD will just move on after reading that. Since you are open to it under the right conditions then you can leave that to be determined during the get to know you stage.

    You need to bring your “A” game, you are battling 20-30 year olds. You need to show not only that you are in good shape but you can drip eloquence.

    Lastly, instead of thus use “Ergo”. Just kidding please don’t do that.

    You are in between two bigger cities, are you willing to go to either one, that’s where the money is.

  371. Jaybird923 says:

    @Lady LOL was thinking the same thing. I have a meeting to get to at 11 how much do you want to bet all the good stuff happens while I’m away from my computer.

  372. MissLady says:

    Well, well this looks like a good day to take an in-office holiday *sits back and grabs the popcorn*

  373. FlyBoy says:

    Josh:

    Please give examples of a, b and c in the Western world.

    So, what are you trying to say? There are no men left in the Western world!!! If so, then you are very wrong.

    Look, DowntownLASD is telling you what I told you before; there is no solution to your problem except you manning the fuck up. That’s it, simple and straight forward. Man the fuck up.

    Cheers :)

  374. Josh says:

    @DowntownLASD

    “It’s really very simple: if a man a) is solid on who he is and doesn’t compromise that, b) is resourceful and has access to power, and c) doesn’t really NEED a woman for anything, none of those mind-rape examples would ever happen.”

    Please give examples of a, b and c in the Western world. 😉

  375. Keke says:

    @ATL…when is it exactly , the party?

  376. Catcher 22 says:

    @Karen: Your “extreme broken record syndrome” reply to @FunDude was the wittiest post here in many days :-).

  377. StruggleIsReal says:

    @DowntownLASD
    Yes. Great points.
    Both sexes inherently try to exert control over the other. Basically all people inherently try to exert control of others, regardless of sex and level of relationship. It happens everywhere and in every which way. Identifying it and not feeding into it is the way to stand one’s own ground. If someone is unable to see his or her own folly in these destructive power-plays, it’s time to take responsibility for her/her own self and politely exit the relationship. Unless someone is being seriously physically threatened, this is completely possible for all parties. If someone is being seriously physically threatened, there are some measures that can be utilized, but I know that those don’t even quite offer true safety. I really feel for those people.

  378. DowntownLASD says:

    @Josh

    Man’s mind is raped many different ways:

    1. Learn about his past and his weaknesses and use them against him as opportunity presents itself.
    etc.

    If you’re referring to a Sugar relationship, or an otherwise short-term, recreational relationship, I don’t see how any of this is a problem so long as both people are having fun (i.e., sex). Once a problem arises, it is the man’s job to end the relationship, quickly and honorably.

    If you’re talking about long-term committed relationships, I would argue quite emphatically that NONE of the “mind-rape” scenarios happen when there’s a man, living in his power, in the relationship. A man who is not in his power basically hands his balls to his woman at the door and allows this shit to happen to him. Because of the inherent superiority of women over men in all things “relationship,” men easily fall prey to women, but the blame for that is on the men for failing to be MEN.

    It’s really very simple: if a man a) is solid on who he is and doesn’t compromise that, b) is resourceful and has access to power, and c) doesn’t really NEED a woman for anything, none of those mind-rape examples would ever happen.

  379. Reb says:

    ATLSD and Misslady: Thanks. I did not know I could deactivate it. I thought I could only delete it forever! It has been awhile.. lol.

  380. Apples says:

    Ms. Temptation – another typo in your tagline – it should be ‘A breath of fresh air’ :)

  381. Josh says:

    @cuc

    “I think I’d do better to charge for matchmaking services and also counseling for relationship past pains.”

    That’s funny shit right there. Hahahaha

  382. Ms. Temptation says:

    Well folks
    I am signing off for tonight
    off to work in the morning.
    Any feedback on my profile would be appreciated.
    Thanks in advance.

  383. THEATLSD says:

    @temptation. The Blog clock is California time. I just checked your profile. It’s a definite improvement. You do have a typo. Aspects is spelled wrong. I will read it again. I’ll post again later I have a plumbing deal at home. UGH!!

  384. THEATLSD says:

    @All. AFF IS HAVING a swingers party in Jamaica. Who’s in?

  385. Ms. Temptation says:

    @ATL
    I am okay
    It is pouring rain here and I just had one of those oh shttt moments, thought I left the sun roof of my vehicle open. Good news I did not thank god. Lol
    Also looking at blog time of entries I am three hours ahead of that clock.
    Wondering if you could or others on the blog could give me an example of what I could say in terms of what I have yo offer an SD.

  386. THEATLSD says:

    @Polegirl akaMsTemptation
    How’s it going, EH? How r tonight and how may I be of assistance.

    Also, you can always post a question, I will see it and respond eventually.

  387. flyR says:

    @rem

    “@flyR
    If an SB wants me to close my SA account, it is always for an exchange for an exclusivity.
    I have done this twice, when I was absolutely sure that the offer was genuine, which it was.
    However, one should either do it or stand the ground, not do it and say so.
    The version of saying you will and not going through with this I find morally reprehensible.

    agree 100%

  388. rembodler says:

    @flyR
    If an SB wants me to close my SA account, it is always for an exchange for an exclusivity.
    I have done this twice, when I was absolutely sure that the offer was genuine, which it was.
    However, one should either do it or stand the ground, not do it and say so.
    The version of saying you will and not going through with this I find morally reprehensible.

  389. flyR says:

    RE : potential SD wants you to close your account

    That’s a pretty clingy request at the very start of a relationship unless there is an exclusivity
    bonus. Middle ground if you want to provide some comfort is to explain that you have some folks blocked etc but that he can see when you have been on and as long as your relationship is going well you will not be searching. you can always figure out if someone has been on.

    I would be a little worried if the guy is that insecure. usually it is the other way around .

  390. flyR says:

    @cucumber – I’m not a fan of discussing much of anything using the SA messaging system. Too porous and too enduring. Better for an email or phone discussion.

    If I am interested in someone and they seem to be attractive and interested I’ll casually mention pretty early in the discussion that I am not looking for anything weird, painful or similar. That usually advances the conversation in a positive manner or brings forth some precious intelligence.

    One reply was , “not to worry hun, if the sugar is right nothing’s off limits” this is a great three strike answer. Hun = 1 strike, anything goes = 1 strike and 2 in the same sentence is a 3rd strike.

  391. Ms. Temptation says:

    @Jay
    Thanks for letting me know about the messages. Okay I will hang out for a while. He offered to help me with a few other issues regarding my profile. I am only able to join blog in the evenings.

  392. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Dr.Fun
    “@Georgia The other problem was I stayed out to about 6AM with my gf. Unfortunately, my workout today suffered immensely lol”

    Dear Doctor, I would have thought you would have gotten your “workout” with her. Geez, 6am? Aren’t you a bit old for that? LOL

  393. FunDude says:

    @Karen

    I specifically left the blog to see if the reason for it being a “broken record” was myself. Since removing myself for over 1 week, I haven’t seen any change in topics or types of comments.

    The only difference is there are more SDs that aren’t beta simps and have been standing up against some of the SB bullshit.

    @Flygirl

    Why would they give “discounts” if tons of SDs were signing up? Also, why give “discounts” to SDs when they are supposed to be rich?

  394. Jaybird923 says:

    @temptation he’s been popping in and out all day he left a couple of messages for you scroll up and you’ll see them

  395. Ms. Temptation says:

    Good evening all. I am now logging in under this name instead of polegirl as ATL convinced me last night to change my profile name. Where is that helpful fellow???? Lol

  396. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem Well good for you and all your experience “converting” women who were already down to do whatever it was you asked for in the first place. lol God I loathe these games men and women insist on playing with each other. If she answered with a straight yes you probably wouldn’t her anymore. She broke the rules :(

  397. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    …well…see… as a man, I always thought that converting a bashful “maybe” to an enthusiastic “yes, yes YESSSS!!!!” is a part of my job description. After one converts a few of maybes into a yes…his personal experience tells him exactly the opposite of what you wrote.

  398. FlyBoy says:

    You wrote
    “1) Many SDs not renewing their subscriptions to SA, hence the need for a “discount””

    That’s not a general commentary on discounts. That’s a specific information that can only be known by an insider.

    Nobody writes nonsense except you, no matter what name you hide under.

    Cheers :)

  399. Jaybird923 says:

    @REM Pax? let’s agree to disagree. I honestly don’t believe this is a maybe question. This is something you know already. If she said maybe I would thank her for meeting with me and wish her luck on her search.

  400. Karen says:

    Fundude says:

    ‘Plus this blog is basically becoming a broken record anyway lol. I figured I’d take some time off to see if any different topics or ideas came up in the last week or so.’

    Funny comment coming from someone with extreme broken record syndrome LOL!!

  401. rembodler says:

    @Jay – fair enough.
    In all honesty, in my many past arrangements, no one ever discussed the “specifics” until later. The only people who did (“I am always safe, babe. Yes, and oral too, Hun – you can get XYZ through oral, don’t you know that?”) were obviously escorts and one should be able to figure them out before investing any time and effort.
    And, I would not bank on what someone says when they want to secure an arrangement with you. Most women – not escorts and not as no-nonsense like yourself – will likely give a favorite female answer – “Maybe”. And then what do I do – do I pressure her? Do I forgo someone who is probably just a bit shy? So I think my plan of “wait’n’see” isn’t all that bad…

  402. Jaybird923 says:

    @REM you are always adding extra words to what I say. I said in the beginning not on the first meet. And I see nothing wrong with discussing these things. You are already discussing money, any how often you meet for “intimacy”,etc. Why is it so hard to discuss sexual preference.

    The whole point of these arrangements is to bypass all the stupidity that are associated with traditional relationships. What so hard about saying “I like to have sex without a condom and that’s something I would like to do with you once we get to know each other and build some trust. Is that something you would consider?” She’ll either say yes or no. And you’ll know if this is the right relationship for you. Why invest months only to discover it’s a deal breaker for her.

    Who knows maybe this one of those issues where my opinion differs dramatically from most women. This is how I would prefer it to be handled I can’t speak for how others will react.

  403. MissLady says:

    oops, that was for rem

  404. MissLady says:

    @jay, oh ok, I just had issue with a “No” meaning she’s showing escort tendencies.

  405. rembodler says:

    @Jay and @Lady
    I have no idea why you think I am arguing that. I am not.
    If you tell him from the get-go “it is safe sex only, into the sunset” and he is happy with it, I see no problem whatsoever.

    @Jay – “These are things that should be discussed in the beginning of an arrangement. Not respectfully broached after a couple of months.

    Jay, do not be ridiculous. These are exactly the things NOT to discuss in the beginning of an arrangement. Do you state it “in no uncertain terms’ to your potential irl dates too, when you first meet in the coffeehouse? I normally don’t.
    I am not gonna ask you what positions you allow etc. It will be creepy, rude and ten thousand other things – including potentially illegal. An arrangement is a relationship and it either evolves…or it does not, at some point we are either compatible in the bedroom or we are not. If you have a way to figure it out on your first date in the coffeehouse, I take my hat off to you…

  406. Jaybird923 says:

    @REM No one said it should. If having sex unprotected is a necessity for you it makes no difference why it’s not going to happen all that matters is that it won’t. No one’s asking you to give up your needs because she has a valid reason. What I took exception to was the assumption that she’s an escort because she says no.

  407. FunDude says:

    @Georgia

    The other problem was I stayed out to about 6AM with my gf. Unfortunately, my workout today suffered immensely lol

  408. FunDude says:

    @Georgia

    Just busy getting ready for MBA and work stuff. Plus this blog is basically becoming a broken record anyway lol. I figured I’d take some time off to see if any different topics or ideas came up in the last week or so.

    @Flygirl

    Yeah they are offering “discounts” out of the goodness of their heart.

    The rest of the stuff you wrote was nonsense that doesn’t need to be addressed.

  409. rembodler says:

    And just to bring my point closer to home…
    If you want an X allowance and a gent says: “I am unable to afford that much” instead of “I am unwilling to provide that much” – does it matter to you? No. So why should it matter to me if you are unable or unwilling to do something that I want?
    It should not.

  410. MissLady says:

    @jay says: There are plenty of guys who won’t have sex without a condom no matter how long they’ve been with you. Every one has a right to do what is best for them. These are things that should be discussed in the beginning of an arrangement. Not respectfully broached after a couple of months

    to add to that, the fear of being suckered with a pregnancy ….

  411. MissLady says:

    @rem no argument from me, I’ve seen guys express the same request and will not do unprotected no matter what. Like you said, it’s ‘discussable’ and depends on the two people involved…

  412. Jaybird923 says:

    @REM I did listen to you. And I stand by what I said. It makes no difference if it’s a boyfriend or an SD. And some women can’t use birth control pills so this might be another reason why. To just assume she’s an escort because she doesn’t want to have unprotected sex is ridiculous.

    There are plenty of guys who won’t have sex without a condom no matter how long they’ve been with you. Every one has a right to do what is best for them. These are things that should be discussed in the beginning of an arrangement. Not respectfully broached after a couple of months.

  413. rembodler says:

    @ Miss Lady

    I did not say you have to agree to it…
    All I said, the subject should be “discussable”, not “Since it is an arrangement. it is an unquestionable “no”.
    As for the reasons…I think it is up to a gent to decide whether you having a “legitimate” reason of a pill intolerance or a more general concern “I do not trust him as far as I can throw him where he last had his idck wet” is of any importance. If it is something he wants and you are unable rather than unwilling…does it make a difference?

  414. MissLady says:

    Aww man @ATL and here I thought a cut out bikini pic was going to be acceptable for a new profile pic! *kidding*

  415. MissLady says:

    @rem or it could just be about birth control…..*not all women adapt to the pill well*

  416. IHF2030 says:

    Good to see delusional sugarbabies are as entertaining as ever.

  417. THEATLSD says:

    @polegirl
    If you are out there. Look at Miss Lady’s Gravatar. That is what your profile pic should look similar too. You can leave your Gravatar pic as is though.

  418. MissLady says:

    @Reb, if you deactivate, there’s a little checkbox that asks you if you want to retain your messages and stuff

  419. rembodler says:

    @Jay and @Lady
    As always, it is women who do not really listen carefully to what a man says. Men normally get blame for it…
    I said – quoting myself – “…a gent patiently waits a couple months before respectfully broaching the subject with her and gets a flat unconditional denial…”
    If you have a BF and he asks you this, will you tell him: ” Sorry, Sugar, I do not want to put my health at risk with a partner who isn’t monogamous to me”. This means you assumed he is not. Means – serious trust issues. Means – Why fall over oneself trying to convince you… Why invest more into someone who is obviously a dead end?
    Time to move on.

  420. THEATLSD says:

    @Reb you can hide or deactivate your account without actually deleting it. This POT sounds very possessive. You need to tread lightly.

  421. FlyBoy says:

    FunDude:

    1) Many SDs not renewing their subscriptions to SA, hence the need for a “discount”

    How do you know? Are you SAs owner?

    FunDude:

    2) SBs becoming largely worthless in terms of looks/age/weight/etc to warrant an allowance

    I wonder why you would make such a stupid statement which can be easily refuted by logging into the site.

    FunDude:

    3) SBs demanding an allowance before considering intimacy

    If you need a woman to ‘consider’ having sex with you, then I shall officially downgrade you from beta to gamma.

    FunDude:

    4) SBs asking for ridiculous sums of money compared to 90% of SDs offering at most 1K/month.

    Sugar is for gentlemen, not poor working class men.

    Cheers :)

  422. Reb says:

    This current SD is jumping the gun a little too quickly. He keeps mentioning how if we work out, I will have to delete my SA account asap. The problem is, I have been on SA for years. My account has helped me since I have a huge blocked list for the scammers and time wasters. I am hoping if I do delete it, I can get it back reinstated :/. Ugh. My past SDs never insisted I deleted my account. I would just not sign in.

  423. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem Maybe she’s not an escort and just doesn’t want to put her health at risk with a partner who isn’t monogamous to her.

  424. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Yo @Dr FunDude
    Welcome back?
    Trip, patients, or just completely wrapped up in blond, sexy, athletic, sweet… GF?

  425. Jaybird923 says:

    @Fundude You’re back with the same diatribe I see. so I won’t ask what’s new

  426. MissLady says:

    Happy Sunday everybody!

    @rem, did I read that right, if a girl doesn’t want to do unprotected, she’s showing escort tendencies??

  427. FunDude says:

    A lot of intelligent SDs are posting these days. They are basically reiterating to the SBs the reality of the game.

    SA is unfortunately supporting unrealistic expectations of the SBs. This is largely leading to:

    1) Many SDs not renewing their subscriptions to SA, hence the need for a “discount”
    2) SBs becoming largely worthless in terms of looks/age/weight/etc to warrant an allowance
    3) SBs demanding an allowance before considering intimacy
    4) SBs asking for ridiculous sums of money compared to 90% of SDs offering at most 1K/month.

    Ergo, the problems will remain on this website due to the stupidity of the blogs. There should be more blogs explaining the SD perspective.

  428. rembodler says:

    flyR says:
    June 7, 2015 at 2:15 pm
    “…guess about 20% of SB profiles say no unprotected or safe only. If that is a deal breaker than putting it in the profile is probably the smart thing to do”

    I second that, although I have yet to see a profile that talks about it.
    My personal opinion, unless she is an escort and just posing as an SB, unprotected sex should be something that is discussed, as with all normal couples who engage in sexual activity. Again, only my personal opinion – if a gent patiently waits a couple months before respectfully broaching the subject with her and gets a flat unconditional denial – she, in all likelihood, is an escort. I would text her to next her.

  429. THEATLSD says:

    @cucie
    I don’t get these guys dumping their baggage on you. When I’m with a SB i want to forget all that shit, escape or have sex.

    If i want to dump on someone I’ll pay a shrink. Plus shrinks are cheaper then SB.

  430. CucumberOnLids says:

    Thank you @flyR and @hottotrot-

    My initial approach to getting details out of the way online was working to avoid the nonsense. Actually the very first message I received was from a fake and I sussed out his intentions in three messages flat. This was how I met my first SD. Once I decided the “well ok I’ll meet first” that’s when I started having problems. So going forward I’m doing the discussions early on if they have a problem with that then it’s probably because they aren’t seeking an arrangement. My real SD had an issue discussing details on the site but a phone call fixed that.
    The rest? Passing them right by.

    Thanks for everyone’s input even if it didn’t come across as pleasant as I hoped.

  431. flyR says:

    @ cucumber – yes it is really important to identify expectations and non-negotiable issues early .

    Am not at all sure of the % but guess about 20% of SB profiles say no unprotected or safe only. If that is a deal breaker than putting it in the profile is probably the smart thing to do. The married SD will probably see it as an asset

  432. Jaybird923 says:

    @Flyer no she did not. Some people are so classless. That meet would have ended as soon as the words left her mouth. How embarrassing

  433. flyR says:

    some suggestions for early conversations

    I’m very new to this, in your past relationships have you discussed allowances before the meet for coffee or during?

    If you walk into a Mercedes showroom the first thing the salesman is going to do is try to figure out if you are a tire kicker or seriously interested in something more than a free test ride. Same for the folks showing real estate………… wants, needs, capabilities, decision process……. generally you want to ramp up wants and needs before talking specifics but there is no reason to do anything if you feel there is a lack of capability or intent.

    Slight deviation from that would be first time SB – probably a good idea to go on a few casual meets for coffee , even if improbable but seeming respectable , if for no other reason than the experience. You still want to filter, you want to be nice. You might even ask – You sound nice but I am not sure about the (age difference or something else ) I don’t want to waste your time. if he says he would still like to meet for coffee that’s fine as long as you are sure you can say not if it is not a match.

    if I am not interested in pursuing things further at the end of the first meeting I’ll say so at the end. Something like I really enjoyed meeting you and you are a special person but I don’t think we are a good match. It saves having to think about sending a note or calling. One of the classics was the young woman who called to the waitress, across several tables – hey bitch, you fucked up my order …..

    Like most things in life looking for perfection in sugar is the enemy of progress. Approach the search professionally ….. it helps me to keep track of conversations, if I wish I had asked something I’ll write a note to that effect. just like I would if I were interviewing prospective employees or calling customers.

  434. hototrot1 says:

    @Cucumber
    “My last SD was younger, non married, no children so he had a more light carefree easy going nature.Some married with children types are the same way but everyone isn’t going to be ooh nice especially if they feel they are in a position of power over women now when in the past they had none at all.”

    My unmarried 70ish guy is like being with a young guy in a way. He’s never been married. Just long term relationships. He’s carefree and a lot of fun. A man I dated (non-Sugar) before him was 21 years older. He said he didn’t want to date women his age because of x, y and z and proceeded to do every thing he said women his age did!! He was a real piece of work! Still trying to erase his sorry butt from my memory. Baggage galore. Yuck. Sorry you’re having these experiences. You’ll be able to weed out the time-wasters and crack pots in no time- nothing educates like experience.

  435. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @TheATLSD
    Awe, you think or do you know from experience? LMAO.

    What those Kellogg brothers were thinking in the late 1800’s is beyond me. LOL [https://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/23/1331075/-The-Strange-History-of-Corn-Flakes?detail=emailclassic] Interesting read if nothing else for trivia value. LOL

  436. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cucumber It’s your life. If you want to work for free helping men through their problems, it’s your prerogative. I would love to see you come on here and post about how you found a great SD who appreciates you and treats you well. I wish you the best of luck and hope it all works out for you in the end.

  437. hototrot1 says:

    @Cucumber
    “These are men with full past lives that in general are going to have some serious baggage be it good or bad. It’s one of the reasons men desire younger women in general so they too can avoid the baggage of someone their own age. Everyone has something wrong with them but you have to find out what is “far too much work” or ” ok so you have OCD I can probably handle that”. It’s really not something you can help.”

    So right. Lots of people running from themselves. Looking for new pastures to soil. hehe I don’t mind your negative stories. It’s not all tea and crumpets out here. I also like other people’s “happy” stories. Everyone’s experience is appreciated by me. Keep doing you.

  438. THEATLSD says:

    @GP
    “ous doctor as a way to stop people from masturbating”

    Doesn’t work;)

  439. Jaybird923 says:

    @FatB Surprisingly not the first time I’ve heard that piece of advice. My father and Uncles were fond of giving other men with marital issues that advice but they never followed it themselves. And hopefully the other guys didn’t either.

  440. CucumberOnLids says:

    Jaybird923 says:
    June 7, 2015 at 12:05 pm
    @Cucumber Good God that was a depressing novel. Why are all you interaction always so negative? Maybe you need to take a break from sugaring and re-evaluate. This lifestyle doesn’t seem to be working for you.

    They aren’t depressing but they are real. Taking a break? Why. I can’t help other people’s true intentions, their past issues, dramas etc. People are people and to think that every one you meet on this site will behave favorably is unrealistic. The reviews of this site and similar ones like it aren’t all that different really. I’ve probably talked to more men in the last two months than I ever did regular dating in the span of 5 years.

    You have to take into account these aren’t 20-30yr old men. These are men with full past lives that in general are going to have some serious baggage be it good or bad. It’s one of the reasons men desire younger women in general so they too can avoid the baggage of someone their own age. Everyone has something wrong with them but you have to find out what is “far too much work” or ” ok so you have OCD I can probably handle that”. It’s really not something you can help.

    Once you remove layers of pleasantries you tend to get below the surface to the issues that people may or may not have. It is what it is. If it’s depressing you just skip my posts. I’m not here to just post the sunny happy go lucky experience but post REALITY.

    My last SD was younger, non married, no children so he had a more light carefree easy going nature.Some married with children types are the same way but everyone isn’t going to be ooh nice especially if they feel they are in a position of power over women now when in the past they had none at all.

    There’s also the issue of “is she with me for the money and some men take a direct approach of trying to be as abusive as possible because they despise women the desire the comforts they can provide yet at the same time want to show women “look what I have!”. It all seems to be a delicate balancing act between concern and your own needs being met.

    So yes positive and negative will be posted. I will continue on my journey and post my experiences.

  441. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Interesting Trivia:
    “Corn flakes cereal is a staple on breakfast tables all over the world. Today it is marketed as a healthy part of a balanced breakfast. But corn flakes were originally invented by a fanatically religious doctor as a way to stop people from masturbating.”

  442. THEATLSD says:

    @GP
    She had nothing. So I moved my virtues on.

    @cucie. I agree with Jaybird you need to learn how to sus out the fakes and flakes and also just end the conversation when it gets weird end it and move on quickly.

  443. THEATLSD says:

    @Cucie

    I’m trying to use the force to move your hair out of the way.

  444. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Crap, “SO, what did she have?”

  445. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @TheATLSD
    Begging the question, “she what did she have?”

  446. THEATLSD says:

    Well I had a POT SB named patience and she told me she never had sex.

  447. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Cucumber
    I can think of a lot of “virgins” LOL
    Virgin Margarita, Virgin Bloody Mary, Shirley Temple.
    Virgin Mary, Virgin Joan of Arc, Virgin Emily Dickenson, Tim Tebow… list goes on. I had no idea about many of these. LOL

    There is such a saying “Patience is a Virgin.”
    Though most of us have heard the saying as, “Patience is a Virtue.”
    The meaning is that patience is something we have to work hard at, but if we look at virtue that can also mean chastity or virginity.
    Have you read in books where the mother’s tell their daughters to stay away from rogue’s and to “guard their virtue.” (I think it’s from The Franklin’s Tale in Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales.) In modernized spelling, it’s “Patience is a high virtue, certain.”

    Ok, so who is “Certain”? Or perhaps the real questions are: Where did the saying ‘Patience is a virgin’ come from and who was Patience?

  448. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cucumber Good God that was a depressing novel. Why are all you interaction always so negative? Maybe you need to take a break from sugaring and re-evaluate. This lifestyle doesn’t seem to be working for you.

  449. CucumberOnLids says:

    @ ATLSD I thought patience is a virtue? Not a virgin:) hehehe

  450. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @TheATL
    Naw, I like Edward Lewis too, but perhaps I should change to Vivian Ward – but then, Julia R is so perfect for that roll at that time – no competition. She was made for that role. Of course, Richard Gere is still what one my age might say, a “dream boat.” LOL

  451. CucumberOnLids says:

    @THEATLSD- See it changed because you had the “force” behind you:) hehe

  452. THEATLSD says:

    @cucumber

    Chillax babe. It takes a minute for the Gravatar to update. Patience is a virgin.

  453. THEATLSD says:

    @GP

    Maybe I should change my name to Hoke Colburn or Boolie Werthan.

  454. CucumberOnLids says:

    Darn I can’t seem to get my avatar to update.

  455. CucumberOnLids says:

    testing 3

  456. CucumberOnLids says:

    testing 2

  457. CucumberOnLids says:

    testing

  458. CucumberOnLids says:

    @Reb – I too went through something similar but I typically don’t waste time meeting because why meet someone that clearly doesn’t desire what you do?

    I actually changed my rule one time and it was probably the worst eight hours of my life that I’ll never get back. Not only did the fake get annoyed with me asking what his budget was , he used a shame tactic of ” you’re asking me for money and you haven’t even met me”. I thought wow the way he worded that made me feel incredibly rude and too goal oriented.

    I kept putting pressure on the ” well I need to know if we’re looking for the same and what’s your ideal arrangement etc”. I kept being met with vague answers like ” well I’d love a sb to be with me for the rest of our lives”. I was thinking huh? Can’t this man answer a simple question about what he truly seeks? Surely he kept pushing for dinner as if that was his true desire ( to regular date nothing more).

    When I met him lie after lie after lie. I think I was surprised that a man at his the esteemed age of 70 could always come up with a brilliant excuse. He was not only clinging but he attempted to kiss me on a base meet. Thanks to my catlike reflexes (lol) I managed to dodge the face plant.

    Another fake tries the ” well we will talk about allowance after meeting” when in reality he finally spills the beans on “I offer limited”. I even went as far to ask him why was he playing a bad game of tag? He’s so local to me that I can honestly be at his front door in less than 10 mins. Problem? After he gets off of work he can’t seem to meet. I asked him are you married? Nope. It took 2.5 weeks of playing “meet tag” to finally have him come clean that he lives with his 35yr+ daughter. Ahh could have said that earlier!! I think the problems is that he may live with her not the other way around.

    Funny I actually turned down legitimate offers from men that wanted to “get started” because it had too much of an escort vibe about it. Now I’m thinking I shot myself in the foot because the others that want to monopolize your time “figuring things out” seem to have nothing to offer at all.

    Another pot took three weeks to finally state that unprotected sex being off the table is a deal breaker and if I was his gf wouldn’t I have unprotected sex with him anyways. This is the one that states he travels alot but can’t seem to drive 15mins in my direction for my comfort for a basic starbucks meet. The man traveled almost 2 hour past my home in the opposite direction but stopping in my area to meet is (too far for him).

    Ohh and I spent 12hrs talking to one man that was clearly lying about his age when he uttered the word “negro” and decided to use the “n word” to make a point. I actually felt like ooh god do I really have to have him sit through “Amy Schumer Generations!” A facility that helps elderly relatives get the correct social skills to help their blatant racism so they can get along in the modern world.

    He actually has this crazy notion that some young AA woman will regular date him in their 20s when he’s 70. When I tried to reason with him he just got loud and started ranting about how he can outrun any 25 year old. I just thought umm ok.. I felt like I was volunteering at an old age home because there was nothing I could do to help the man but listen to him go on and on about when he was in his 20s. I would have felt rude otherwise so I just said “ok you’re volunteering your time at a senior retirement center today”. That was the only thing that helped me not see him in the negative light when I realized how much work he put into lying.

    I agree the “I’ll fly you out” is a sham. If you can’t find women in your state something is wrong. Also the “I’ll be in your area next month, two months from now etc” In general this is another time waster that wants to talk you to death as a meeting will never take place.

    I feel like I’m a therapist and not a SB. I’ve been listening to men and their hangups, relationship problems and giving advice.

    Another pot contacted me and as a married man thinks shopping and travel is great to offer to what he calls a “mistress”. Allowance? Ohh no.

    Another pot wants me for a threesome.Sorry not bisexual, it would great if you asked that first instead of assuming all women are naturally bi.

    I could go on. I receive alot of attention no matter what site I’m on. It’s just weeding through what sounds safe, sane and normal is the problem.

    My last SD was great but made an issue over something small so he ended things. Everyone else that’s contacted me is just all over the place with what they seek. What annoys me most is how long it takes to get them to speak up about their situation. One man contacts me with “how was your weekend now I block him as he asks that same annoyingly base “pay me attention” question every week like clockwork.

    Ohh just yesterday I was contacted by a really handsome pot that stated he was seeking what I was. Once we start talking by phone he goes into “ohh no I just finished law school and can’t afford a SB”. I’m sitting there thinking what was the point in messaging me? He says well “you’re the first person attractive woman to respond to my messages’. Lol really?

    Another wants to keep in contact (not an SD) because he feels my club hopping knowledge is invaluable as he just recently moved to the area and desires social connections to the nightlife.

    I think I’d do better to charge for matchmaking services and also counseling for relationship past pains. There are some men that have been hurt so bad that any woman is fair game for their revenge. I’m annoyed with the time wasting but I feel for their past hurt. I keep thinking maybe some kindness will help in repairing some damage that happened to them in 1962 or whenever.

    Still none of this is helping me!

  459. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @THEATLSD @Jaybird
    Hey! I’m still back on “Driving Miss Daisy”
    The more I think about that one, even though I said it, the funnier it becomes to me. Sorry, but it brings up a lot of variations and ideas in my head. LOL Course, now I am searching for Edward Lewis. :)

  460. THEATLSD says:

    @JDoe. Let’s us know what you do and the outcome.

    @Reb and any other SB that is offered for you to travel to an unknown entity. First your nucking futs. Second you need to turn the tables. Ask the SD to fly to your city get a nice hotel room and you will show him around the city. If he balks then probably a scam.

  461. rembodler says:

    @Reb
    The “I will fly you out” arrangement is “almost always” a sham.
    There are exceptions, I am sure…

  462. Reb says:

    “Having NO discussion of the allowance is…unusual. If I want to secure an arrangement, I always spell out the terms in the end of the first date or inquire in the follow-up text whether my POT SB is interested in the arrangement and wants to discuss the terms.”

    It reminds me of the time I was too nervous to bring up allowance. I planned on flying out to him for the weekend. His profile listed moderate and he ended up offering a “minimal” allowance. He said he wanted a coach ticket so he could spend more money on other things for me. His amount for 4 days: $500. I was floored. I hung up that phone so fast and blocked him. I always bring up allowance asap so I don’t waste weeks talking to someone with a different outlook.

  463. Aaliyah_XO says:

    No edu.mail in the UK :(

  464. hototrot1 says:

    Was there a blog up on gay SDs and SMs or did I dream that?

  465. hototrot1 says:

    A porn movie? hahaha I really liked “On Golden Pond” though, 3 legends, 1 movie.

  466. Jaybird923 says:

    @Hot well it is high brow compared to most of the stuff they make today.

  467. hototrot1 says:

    @ATL

    “On Golden Blonde” eh?

    Mr. Forks it’s nice to know your taste’s aren’t high brow in all things. LOL

  468. Josh says:

    *typically idiots.

  469. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh You should only expect the best from me. :)

  470. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL On Golden Blonde lol I’m learning so much about you.

  471. Josh says:

    @Jay

    1. @JDoe asked for SB opinion so I was not going to give mine.

    2. The women who ask for SB opinon are typical idiots. So I was not going to waste my time.

    3. She received decent advice.

    4. Madame @flyR provided decent advice so there’s no need to whoop her ass for her earnest effort.

  472. THEATLSD says:

    @Hot. the most erotic movie for me is. “On Golden Blond”.

  473. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL goodnight and thanks for the entertainment :)

  474. THEATLSD says:

    I’m out. I got the emails. See ya tomorrow Good job SB

  475. Jaybird923 says:

    forgive the typos I was on multiple devices at the same time trying to figure this out

  476. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay yep. You should have

  477. hototrot1 says:

    What’s the most erotic movie you ever saw? For me it’s a movie called “The Lover” from the 90’s. About a poor French girl who gets involved with a Wealthy Chinese aristocrat in 1930’s Vietnam.

    Anyhoo, I’m sure everyone is sleeping now. Next time.

  478. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL I can’t believe how much time I wasted lol I was digging deep for nothing always go with your first choice lesson learned

  479. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    TheATL
    Nope. I had no clue which one is you.
    If you would like to email… foamrock50@yahoo. I’d welcome the opportunity to view you again. 😉

  480. THEATLSD says:

    @jay. You won?
    @Hot gets second and a consolation prize

  481. Jaybird923 says:

    Jay_bird923 yahoo

  482. THEATLSD says:

    @hot you were to excited.
    @ GP I thought you knew. I have visited your profile and you mine. I guess you didn’t realize it was me.

  483. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL It is isn’t Julia Roberts is from Georgia

  484. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. What’s your email to send your prize?

  485. hototrot1 says:

    Sorry for the cursing and the double posting (??)

  486. hototrot1 says:

    F*ck, I was just about to type SM!

  487. hototrot1 says:

    F*ck, I was just about to type SM!

  488. Jaybird923 says:

    You better not tell me it’s edward lewis from pretty woman because I dicarded a long time ago thinking it was to obvious

  489. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Steel Magnolias

  490. THEATLSD says:

    @GP that was funny. But no.
    @Hot. Your on fire.
    One minute left to play

  491. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL I’m still researching I’m going to get no sleep. 90’s romantic comedy main characters name is perfect for sugar

  492. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    One More try
    Driving Miss Daisy

  493. THEATLSD says:

    @hot it Jays game but u can play

  494. hototrot1 says:

    Am I allowed to guess?

  495. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. Come on babe. Not one guess

  496. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @THEATLSD.
    I have no clue then. I don’t know your profile name.
    :(

  497. THEATLSD says:

    @pole YW

  498. polegirl says:

    Goodnight all
    thanks@ATL for all you help and feedback tonight.

  499. THEATLSD says:

    And the SB that know please don’t answer. Thanks

  500. THEATLSD says:

    It’s a name of the main character. And it makes a lot of sense in relation to the sugar bowl.
    U better hurry I have to hit the sack soon.

  501. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @TheATLSD

    Ok…
    “Life As We Know it” OR maybe
    “The Internship” ?

  502. THEATLSD says:

    Early 90’s

  503. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    30 days in atlanta

  504. THEATLSD says:

    My profile name and blog name are not related.

  505. hototrot1 says:

    The movie ATL I was thinking of was a black movie. I don’t think ATLSD sounds like the kind to name himself for an “urban” thriller. Lol I could be wrong…

  506. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL well I did say it was to easy to be right lol

  507. THEATLSD says:

    Romantic comedy

    No GP

  508. hototrot1 says:

    I can’t believe people actually like “Citizen Kane”. I have loved some of the slowest moving movies ever made, but I can’t abide by that- and I adore Orson Welles. Had to watch it for a film class years ago. Still want those 10 hours back! I love the stories stories surrounding it though. That it was about Hearst and his affair with Marion Davies and rosebud was his name for ill na na. And that Orson made it to piss Hearst off.

  509. THEATLSD says:

    @jay. No on the ATL thing. That was a disappointing first guess. Think classic old school gentleman. ( not black and white era). The main actress is from here.

  510. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @THEATLSD
    “The ATL is a 2006 American drama film, and the feature film directorial debut of music video director Chris Robinson.” Is this the one?

  511. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL It’s not that ATL movie that came out a couple of years ago is it? That seems to easy I have to be wrong.

  512. flyR says:

    @ Jdoe Sounds like your are talking in the practical range. You could keep it light by suggesting you resolve it before you take advantage of him… … Keep it light and fun.

    Only you can make the judgement if he is a haggler or generous, a lover you would accept without an allowance

  513. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL I need a clue what’s the genre or era of the movie?

  514. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. Of course. Go for it.

  515. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL if i can figure out which movie your name comes from do I get a prize?

  516. polegirl says:

    @Georgia
    A Younger SD would be okay
    I was talking with a POT SD via messaging and at the end of the conversation he told me that I was rather intense. I think it was my being saved in a snow storm wnd drinking beer in a strange guys truck story thst did it. Lol I am only chronologically a certain age.

  517. THEATLSD says:

    @GP. That’s a good point. Struggles has a GB not a SD. You can’t be a SD that young it’s a federal law.

  518. THEATLSD says:

    @pole that is better. most names are silly which is fine. Just stay away from the implicating ones.
    Speaking of movies my profile name comes from a movie very few SB get it.

  519. hototrot1 says:

    @ATL

    Oh, you don’t want to get into a movie quotin’ contest with me! I drive my friends and family crazy. For some reason I quote Robert De Niro in “Cape Fear” and every thing from “The Color Purple” the most. But, I know lots of obscure stuff too. Reason why I made my college quiz bowl. A lot of stupid knowledge.

  520. hototrot1 says:

    …and “It’s a Wonderful Life” cause everyone must see IWL atleast once in their life!

  521. THEATLSD says:

    @hot. I walk around quoting movies all the time. My brain is full of useless info like that.
    I have not had a SB or Pot that gets that part of me. Maybe some day.

  522. hototrot1 says:

    Miss @Pole

    It doesn’t have to be so intensive. Watch “Goodfellas” and all 3 “Godfathers” and you’re good to go.

    “Good Fellas” “The Godfather” “

  523. polegirl says:

    Ms. Alluring was not available so I went with Ms. Temptation. Lol

  524. THEATLSD says:

    Off topic. @Lady Sage if you are lurking out there. I sent you an email you may not recognize the name.

    @Lady Scarlette you too

  525. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @THEATLSD
    “You are going to have tobrush up on this stuff if you want a SD.”
    LOL Either that Sir, or she needs to contact Struggles – she has a “younger than she is” SD. LOL

  526. hototrot1 says:

    I’m a huge movie buff. Old to new. I have a movie quote for every occasion. The night I met my current interest, I was at a table full of lawyers. Afraid it would be nothing but lawyer talk, I started talking about movies. No more lawyer shop for the rest of the night from anyone. Solved that!

  527. THEATLSD says:

    @ Pole when u find a SD u better at least know who Don Cherry is.

  528. polegirl says:

    Bwhaaa lol
    I am even worse when it comes to understanding sports. Lol

  529. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. I love old movies.

    @pole no not Michael Kane. It’s an Orsen Wells movie. You are going to have tobrush up on this stuff if you want a SD.

  530. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    Definitely no hockey honey
    refocus ATL please.
    Lol

  531. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    I think Ms. Alluring is growing on me.
    oh Micheal Kane. Lol
    Actually my father use to call me rosebud:)

  532. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL are you a classic movie buff or do you just really love this one

  533. THEATLSD says:

    @pole. Here it is. “Hot hockey Honey”

  534. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. Took me .00001 second to make the connection.

    @Pole. Greatest movie ever made. Google then rent it.

  535. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL Citizen Kane? Wow that’s an old reference. My clever friend you made the connection between rosebud and that movie pretty quickly it took me a minute. lol

  536. THEATLSD says:

    @Pole. I found it, your idea combined with one I just found. Canadian Dreamcumtru

  537. polegirl says:

    No who is citizen kane?
    Lol

  538. THEATLSD says:

    @Pole. I’m guessing you are a fan of Citizen Kane.

    How about Ms. Alluring

  539. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    I’ve got it!
    how about “canadian red rose”for a name

  540. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    How about rosebud for a name. It has personal meaning to me or maybe ping .

  541. hototrot1 says:

    @Jay
    “@Hot since this is a Sugar website and the majority of women are here for financial aide. I made an educated guess that money would be a motivating factor for making bad decisions. But I’ll amend it to include don’t make hasty decisions for any reason :))”

    Sugar or no sugar people are still people. I’ve made lots of bad decisions regarding men without money being a part of the equation. People don’t like the effort it takes to do something right. But, I see your point. Thanks for the amendment.

  542. Jaybird923 says:

    @Hot since this is a Sugar website and the majority of women are here for financial aide. I made an educated guess that money would be a motivating factor for making bad decisions. But I’ll amend it to include don’t make hasty decisions for any reason :))

  543. hototrot1 says:

    @flyR

    “I think it is a good strategy for either one to ask the other during a pre first meet phone or email exchange – How did you and your prior reach an agreement on allowance.”

    That’s a good one. I might use that. A little piece of “business” incorporated into the “getting-to-know-you” part of the date. The POT will have to show his whole hand then.

  544. JDoe says:

    @Jaybird923, I am looking forward to the sex, but the allowance is also important. I figure most men would like to find a SB that will also want/enjoy the sex, but maybe he is thinking that since I want it too that an allowance is unnecessary? Hopefully not.

    @flyR, well, now my profile says “practical” but when he first messaged me, it said “negotiable”. His profile says “practical”. I want to avoid saying too much, but I like the idea of saying something about the expectation of having another chance to discuss the arrangement. We kind of quickly made a plan at the end of the 1st meet and he suggested his place, to which I responded “sure!” But, it wasn’t until after the fact that I thought “well, crap, now when are we supposed to talk about the allowance?”

    I thought about maybe going over there and then bringing it up before things get too heated but, like you said, I don’t think that’s fair. I think I’ll just text him that I’d like to get it sorted before Friday and hope for the best! If it works out, great. If not, I’ve definitely learned a few valuable lessons!

  545. Jaybird923 says:

    You can also choose to be unfair and get almost started and then start the negotiations when he is vulnerable .

    @Flyer lol Josh is going to jump all over you for that bit of advice.

  546. flyR says:

    as a follow on note

    I think it is a good strategy for either one to ask the other during a pre first meet phone or email exchange – How did you and your prior reach an agreement on allowance

    You do need to ask yourself if the SD is interested because of your unique attraction or the proposition of getting budget sugar. If the latter you may have a problem.

    Having said all of that it is your call on what you think you should do. I have had a couple of relationships start faster than expected with no firm agreement. I asked myself what would I have been willing to do rather than when do I think I can get away.

    You can also choose to be unfair and get almost started and then start the negotiations when he is vulnerable .

  547. hototrot1 says:

    @Jay

    I don’t always think people make bad decisions because of the lure of money. Just like people marry quickly to appease themselves and others, I think people just get tired of the treadmill and want their SD NOW! Dating is tiresome. But, the point I’m making isn’t really important. Lesson: don’t make hasty decisions for any reason. You’ll soon regret.

  548. THEATLSD says:

    @POLE. yea the name part can be hard. If seen really stupid ones.

    Give me a minute I’ll give u some ideas.

  549. flyR says:

    @Jdoe

    1- What does your profile say. If you would be comfortable with the minimum of that range then you just need to confirm

    2- If you had no range then you probably want to write or call with something like
    “This progressed much faster than I had expected …. I had just assumed we would have a few social meetings. I wanted to get to know you and you to know me before discussing allowance….and I think it would be unfair to you to discuss just prior to celebrating the start ( which I look forward to )….. I apologize for not bringing this up during our meeting ….. you were so charming i was distracted.

    option 1 – Although my aspirations were higher, I really want this to work and would be Ok with a allowance of X

    option 2 – Do you want to meet for coffee to discuss or have another idea….

  550. Jaybird923 says:

    @Jdoe I agree with Rembodler do not go over there without having this discussion first. Not to be pessimistic but I see this ending badly and you back on the blog complaining about being taken advantage of. Get precise details before meeting. if he’s evasive than just walk away.

    Don’t let the lure of money influence you into making bad decisions. (but since you wanted to have more sex if an allowance isn’t mandatory and you like him… go for it)

  551. JDoe says:

    Thank you @Jaybird923 & @THEATLSD! @rembodler, thanks for the perspective. I’m (obviously) new to all of this, so I’ve been taking a “wait and see” approach, so I don’t come off too aggressive. But, from what I’m hearing, the allowance normally would have already been discussed. He has only been in one arrangement before, so maybe it’s just that we’re both figuring it all out. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, for now. But since we didn’t meet on Tinder, I’m hoping it’s not a surprise to him that I’m expecting an allowance.

  552. THEATLSD says:

    I’m waffling a little. Yea JDoe if he does not bring up an agreement before next meet. You should suggest that you would rather meet at a restaurant. Pick one that is moderate price and somewhat upscale and see how he reacts.

  553. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    lol okay
    Your comment about the next section what am I offering. Can you give me an example of what anSB might say here. By the way I found coming up with the name the hardest part lol.

  554. rembodler says:

    @JDoe
    having NO discussion of the allowance is…unusual. If I want to secure an arrangement, I always spell out the terms in the end of the first date or inquire in the follow-up text whether my POT SB is interested in the arrangement and wants to discuss the terms.
    If it looks like someone is consciously avoiding talking about an allowance – well, he might think he is a very hot dude and you will spread your legs regardless. I suggest you break the news to him that you won’t – if you won’t.

  555. THEATLSD says:

    @pole. Last part shud be. “For the meet”
    Also glad u took an engine out. But save that for a conversation. I want sexy not mechanic.

    @JDoe. That should work. If he starts wigging
    out on that. Then you spidey sense should be going off.

  556. Jaybird923 says:

    @JDoe don’t tell him you’ll discuss when you get together. It is not a 2nd meet. You’re going over there for one purpose and that’s sex. A second meet doesn’t happen in his home. If you noticed what ATL said he usually has a nice lunch or dinner for a second meet.

  557. THEATLSD says:

    @Polegirl
    I figured you were into pole dancing, it’s popular now. But it has to much implications and SA is full of escorts and strippers.

    Yes your age is going to be a factor and since you are in management you to take your profile picture up a notch. Put on LBD or a sexy but tasteful dress or skirt with HEELS and take a full body shot. Leave your face off or blur it. This will show you are sexy and in shape.

    I get you are trying to show you are
    multifaceted but some of that can be left for

  558. JDoe says:

    @hototrot1: “Not have an allowance in place before going to someone’s house would spoil the mood for me, but that’s me.”

    Good point. I probably wouldn’t be able to enjoy myself at all if we didn’t settle everything beforehand. That’s no fun for either of us!

  559. JDoe says:

    Thanks, @polegirl & @THEATLSD. I took @Jaybird923/@THEATLSD’s advice and changed my profile to reflect my expectation.

    What about something like what @Jaybird923 suggested, while incorporating @THEATLSD’s suggestion that we at least have a plan to discuss it on the 2nd meet: “We had so much fun on our first meet, we never got around to discussing an allowance! If now is not a good time, you can call me when you’re free, or we can talk about it when I get there on Friday if you prefer :)”

  560. hototrot1 says:

    @ATL
    “@Hot. Wow. Kunta kenta hit on you. I thought he was gay? Guess not.”

    John Amos was Kunta Kente. Ben Vereen was Chicken George. He might be gay, but he wasn’t today. Wink.

  561. hototrot1 says:

    @ATL

    “@Hot. Not knowing what fork to use is a deal killer for me.”

    We all have our quirks. I have many. But, the fork thing? I guess I’ll get a youtube tutorial. lol

  562. hototrot1 says:

    @JDoe
    “What I’m struggling with now is wondering when is the best time to bring up the allowance? I don’t want to wait until we meet up again, because I’m assuming we will be getting to know each other more intimately (I’ll be going to his house) and I don’t want to spoil the mood.”

    Not have an allowance in place before going to someone’s house would spoil the mood for me, but that’s me. If you met on SA, I don’t see how this conversation can be awkward. Awkward is the devil’s playground. He’s not awkward about asking you to his home for a little getting-to-know-you-time.

  563. THEATLSD says:

    @Hot. Not knowing what fork to use is a deal killer for me.

  564. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    Thanks eh
    great feedback thank you
    Picked polegirl as I am into pole dancing but not a stripper correct.
    Certainly can shorten sections and be more precise.
    Was trying to convey that I can be many things to someone and am versatile in that way should I just say that then? My age works against me so I was staying more general on purpose. Maybe need to rethink that though.hmmm

  565. THEATLSD says:

    @Hot. Wow. Kunta kenta hit on you. I thought he was gay? Guess not.

  566. hototrot1 says:

    @ATL
    “Just checked your profile no offense but you need to seriously change it and your name.
    First, Polegirl implies you are a stripper.”

    I thought the same.

  567. hototrot1 says:

    @ATL
    “to make sure they are really legit and know which fork to use”

    I have been to lots of black tie and still don’t know which fork to use. ha I’m a hopeless bumpkin. I wonder I’ve ever judged. Hmmm? Oh well, ignorance is bliss. ha

  568. hototrot1 says:

    I got hit on by Ben Vereen (my grandmother loved that one!) and a 21 year old kid today on my way to an audition today. Life is strange but good. Lol

  569. THEATLSD says:

    @Polegirl. Welcome back EH

    Just checked your profile no offense but you need to seriously change it and your name.
    First, Polegirl implies you are a stripper. You have run on paragraphs that need to be broken up. You need to shorten the “What you are looking for” section and be more precise on what you are going to bring to table for the SD.

  570. THEATLSD says:

    @JDoe
    For second meet I usually do a very nice lunch or Dinner so I can spend more time with the Pot SB to make sure they are really legit and know which fork to use:) if that goes good that’s when the arrangement talk happens and I usually bring it up.

    I would not go to his house without having an agreement in place or you two have agreed to
    talk about an agreement.

    This POT maybe legit but you have to protect yourself there are mang scammers out there.

    I agree with Jaybird if you are good with practical then list it.

  571. polegirl says:

    Hello all
    @JDoe
    I would have something allowance wise in mind and agree that once there are indications of a match then the arrangement details including allowance should be open for discussion. Just my thoughts….

  572. JDoe says:

    Thanks, @GeorgiaPeach12. I am definitely open to input/suggestions!

  573. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @JDoe
    What Jaybird gave you is great advice, but if any SD’s are hanging around now, their advice has also been wonderful; specifically, Josh, OnlineSD, TheATLSD, plus several others are wonderful to help SB’s with more info. Plus it helps to get their perspective on this allowance issue too. Good Luck!

  574. Jaybird923 says:

    @JDoe No Problem and good luck! Also in the future if you know you want practical don’t put negotiable on your profile. It’s misleading.

  575. JDoe says:

    Thank you, @Jaybird923!

  576. Jaybird923 says:

    “I’m looking forward to seeing you tomorrow! I want to avoid talking business and get straight to the fun part if possible :) Are you ready to discuss an allowance?”
    @Jdoe I wouldn’t phrase it that way Maybe something like “We’ve been having such a great time getting to know each other that we haven’t gotten around to discussing an allowance. If now isn’t a good time for you give me a call when you’re free.” :) And I wouldn’t wait until the day before get it out of the way now.

    One of our blog SDs Online has a great piece of advice about discussing allowance/intimacy. “If she brings up allowance I bring up intimacy If she’s upset about my bringing up intimacy I’m offended by her bringing up money.” (that’s not verbatim but close enough)

    In the future if he’s discussing intimacy on a first meet you should feel comfortable discussing an allowance.

  577. JDoe says:

    I’m hoping to get some advice from experienced SBs:

    This is entirely unrelated to the subject matter of this blog (in fact, it’s essentially the opposite as I’m just now entering into an arrangement).

    I have been talking to a pot SD for about 2 weeks now. He messaged me initially and we sent (quite a few) long e-mails back and forth before talking on the phone. After speaking on the phone, we decided to meet in person to see if there was any chemistry.

    We met at a local coffee shop this past Thursday and hit it off right away. The conversation was easy, we had a few laughs about the business-like situation we were in, and we also talked about our sexual needs/wants. I was fine talking about this, because part of the reason I want to be a SB is that I want to have more sex in my life. I specifically did not bring up any allowance (most of the information I read about 1st meetings said not to talk about money right off the bat) and he did not mention it either.

    By the end of the meeting (date?), he told me he was ready to see me the next day if I was available (!), but I am at the tail end of the quarter and could not because I am studying for finals. We set up a date for a week out and he joked that I was going to torture him for the next week, and that he might need a few pictures to hold him over. Within ten minutes of leaving, I received a text saying “it was fun meeting you, I can’t wait to get my hands on you ;)” I replied saying I was looking forward to seeing him again.

    I text him a photo of me this morning in my panties/tshirt (pjs) and said “hope you have a good day!” just to make sure I keep his interest. He text back saying “looking very hot!”

    What I’m struggling with now is wondering when is the best time to bring up the allowance? I don’t want to wait until we meet up again, because I’m assuming we will be getting to know each other more intimately (I’ll be going to his house) and I don’t want to spoil the mood. My plan is to text him the day before (if he has not mentioned it yet) and say something along the lines of “I’m looking forward to seeing you tomorrow! I want to avoid talking business and get straight to the fun part if possible :) Are you ready to discuss an allowance?”

    Is there a better way that I have not considered of bringing up the allowance? He’s listed “practical” on his page, and I have listed “negotiable’, but something in the “practical” range is what I want. I do not want to get intimate with him before discussing the allowance, especially if this is going to happen on the 2nd meeting. I want to be sure we are on the same page before taking that step.

    Sorry for the long post! Thank you all in advance for your help! :)

  578. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Josh
    ONLY Child support is what he pays – no other support to her.

  579. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @ Josh
    Yep. He sure is.. and Mom stays after him about it too.

  580. Jaybird923 says:

    @Georgia No need for apologies

  581. Josh says:

    @GeorgiaPeach,

    Is your friend paying child support (and possibly some kind of support to the bitch)?

  582. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Jay
    Sorry. That’s what I get for taking a nap and then trying to jump back in here. LOL

  583. Jaybird923 says:

    @Georgia Glad you agree with me but that’s not what he meant by me being the only one. We were discussing another situation :)

  584. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL No plan needed I’ll gladly follow you to the dark side (Is that what they’re calling Atlanta now)

  585. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    *Suit – sorry. Long HOT day here

  586. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    THEATLSD says:
    “@Jay. True but you are only one.”
    No Good ATL SD; Jay is NOT the only one. I work in a law office. I see both sides all the time. Men do get screwed – and more frequently than many realize. It’s not fair. I have a neighbor now where I live that has been battling a “parental alienation” suite for over 3 yrs now. His former female “partner” (they were never married) has convinced their 13 yr old daughter that she really doesn’t “need” daddy, yet when child was 10 yrs old, she wanted to spend time with Dad, so Dad brought suite against the Mom, so that Mom would be forced to comply with court ordered visitation. Silly GA courts – my friend is STILL in court fighting this and he hasn’t been with his own daughter in about 3 yrs now. So, YES, It ISN’T FAIR to Men when it comes to a lot of legal issues.

  587. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay it’s all part of my plan to bring you over to the dark side.

  588. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem @ATL Thank you guys for being so accommodating xoxo

  589. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. Duly noted;)
    There are always exception to the rules.

    @Keke. Is that you in your Gravatar?

  590. rembodler says:

    @Jay…Ok
    I will make sure next time an appropriate disclaimer is included…:-)).

  591. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL @Rem In the future I would appreciate if you’d include an addendum that says except for Jay/ or only Jay :)

  592. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL Feel free to add it

  593. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. True but you are only one.

  594. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh I have empathy for real issues that effect men. you want to talk about how unfair the family courts are to men when it comes to fathers rights we’ll talk. You want to discuss the unfair division of assets in divorces we’ll talk. but nonsense about men suffering because women nag them and they can’t decorate rooms in their houses I’ll pass.

  595. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem @ATL that comment is not true if you look back I was the first/only SB who didn’t take her side. I said she let greed influence her into making stupid decision. And that I didn’t fee sorry for her and hopefully she learned her lesson.

  596. THEATLSD says:

    @Promise. I literally just got your gravatar. I see your legs now. Optical illusion and I don’t do drugs.

  597. THEATLSD says:

    I do believe that PWA needs to be added to the Urban Dictionary.

    @Rem. that last statement is so true.

  598. rembodler says:

    @Josh
    One good example of this would be a recent case where SB posted name, address and a phone number of the SD who, according to her, cheated her of the money. All female posters followed her post with suggestions to SB of how to get her revenge.
    I think if the reverse were to happen (a SD would post the same information about an SB) the female collective would not care what is that the SB had done – they would be outraged and immediately flag the post as “inappropriate”.

  599. Josh says:

    @Jay

    As I told you before, the Guru does not write stuff helter skelter. Making light of men’s relentless mental abuse by women proves my point that female collective lacks empathy for men’s issues. So carry on and make more funny phrases to prove my point. 😉

  600. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Lucky sun is out for you Hot, it’s already 86 deg here in Hot’lanta. :)

  601. Jaybird923 says:

    @Georgia Duly noted. I’ll keep that in mind.

  602. hototrot1 says:

    The sun is starting to come out. Yay!

  603. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Jaybird923 says:
    “@Josh You’re using shaming language. That’s not nice”
    Hi Jay! Yes, but Josh is “the Guru” and he’s more about the facts as he sees them and the facts are not always “nice” in his world. LOL

  604. StruggleIsReal says:

    I have met @flyR. He is very much a man, and one who is very happy in his relational life. @Josh’s continuous suggesting that he is a woman is so funny.

  605. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh You’re using shaming language. That’s not nice.

  606. Jaybird923 says:

    @Flyboy Why thank you my friend. I could’ve kept going, but I decided to leave out the bit about congress passing the “Give Back Act” (laws that would force woman to return the balls that were voluntarily handed to them) and the United Nations sending Good Will Ambassadors to different countries to bring attention to their plight. But I decided that was overkill. :)

  607. Josh says:

    @FlyGirl joins Madame @flyR in showing total lack of empathy for men.

  608. FlyBoy says:

    “Pussy Whipped Anonymous (PWA for short)”

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    Gold Medal goes to Jay :)

    Cheers :)

  609. hototrot1 says:

    The only person we can control is ourselves. When we master ourselves we are happiest. You can’t make anyone treat you good. Just love yourself and others will see the value in you. I learned that the hard way. I know it sounds a like a trite little facebook declaration, but it really is true.

  610. StruggleIsReal says:

    Wahh wahh wahh

  611. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay – I do agree that if someone is being treated badly or they don’t like the way they are being treated then they should up and leave. Don’t get me wrong there. I was more talking from a “General Society” point of view.

  612. Jaybird923 says:

    @Flyer You liked that huh? :)

  613. flyR says:

    @ Jay “Pussy Whipped Anonymous (PWA for short)”

  614. flyR1990's says:

    Joshie – What I find pathetic is men claiming to be hopeless victims of their own lack of manliness, courage and leadership.

    These men seem to be those who idolize charlie sheehan and late night TV with its vacuous content. But a day does not pass that i do not give thanks to their existence as it puts so many women out there looking for something different in sugar and in real life. The movement seems to be centered in the liberal cities where the popular cultural blames white men for all of society’s problems. “Unfair” seems to dribble from the brains of supposedly intelligent men without conscious thoughts of the stupidity of their statements.

  615. Promise says:

    @ONSD If you make a bunch of posts today, and wonder if you’re talking to yourself again you probably will be this time because I stayed up all night watching a live stream, and I’m only going to bed now. Hope you have tons of company while I sleep. d’.’b

  616. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic I won’t argue with you. You get a free pass today luv. Let me just say that maybe I am desensitized to it because I’ve witnessed it often enough that I don’t see it as abuse. Instead I’ve developed a general disdain for the individual who allows themselves to be treated that way.

    We teach others how we want to be treated and what we are willing to accept. You should put a stop to it in the very beginning or be able to walk away. Try as I might I can’t summon up any sympathy. Especially when they almost always use the same excuse. “Why do you stay?” “I love her/him.”

  617. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay- What he described was Mental and emotional abuse.

  618. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic Don’t try that PC double standard nonsense with me. What he described wasn’t a man being emotionally and mentally abused. And no I wouldn’t consider it abuse if the situation was reversed

  619. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Polegirl – Discretion comes in different forms. First and foremost there is the obvious neither one of you will want anyone to know that your are in an arrangement. If he wants discretion for any reason chances are he will want all or most of the time spent together to be in privacy especially if he is married.

    @All – The Charlie Sheen quote makes me think of a “Disclaimer” in some brothels they will tell you that what you are paying for is “Room Rental” and that what happens between you and the woman is between the two of you, this leaves it up to the women to charge for extras at their own rate etc. Extra’s being anything beyond oral and intercourse. So in other words Charlie is dodging the prostitution part and claiming the money if for something else.

    @Jay – What is the difference between a woman who is emotionally and mentally abused and a man who is emotionally and mentally abused? Oh yes, when it happens to a man it is called “hen pecked” and he is a “pussy” and when it happens to a woman she is a “victim of domestic violence”.

    @Kidding Me – I always see Sugar ending like a business agreement. When the “Client” ie the SD stops wanting to pay the provider ie the SB. I used to believe or want to believe in the idea that some women think of where it’s this man helping a woman like some kind of benefactor but seriously that is nonsense in probably 99.9% of sugar relationships. When the money flow stops that is it. They depart and the SB would never contact the SD again and vice versa unless the money were to re-start.

    I was in a strip club once and this poor bloke literally gave all his money to the woman dancing on the table for him. I was watching and so got to see the show for free. Anyway, soon the time ran out and he showed her his wallet was empty, she could not get off that table quick enough. That pretty much wizened me up good and proper, not that I expected her to keep dancing for free but she could have been a little nicer about it.

  620. Josh says:

    Madame @flyR never misses a beat ridiculing men and their sexual orientation. :(

  621. THEATLSD says:

    Eeeeeccchhhooooooooo

  622. flyR1990's says:

    MGTOW = is that like Jenner

    Cutting off your balls to prove you never used them

  623. THEATLSD says:

    @Reb

    That whole thing is weird. I never actually went to one of those party’s. At the time it sounded creepy. Be careful

  624. Reb says:

    THEATLSD: He actually mentioned that movie and said it wasn’t like that… I never saw it before.

  625. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh you’re right maybe I should get some sensitivity training. Do you know any “mind rape” survivors who can help me better understand?

  626. Josh says:

    Not all men are mentally, emotionally, and financially strong to stand up to relentless passive agressive and aggressive women. Moreover expecting them to devise proactive strategies against the women collective is unfair.

    Your mocking of men’s mind rape is insensitive.

  627. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh Also sure MGTOW will gain more traction and they’ll be discussing mind rape on Good Morning America. Charities will be set up to help get men counselling and maybe some shelters so they can escape the abuse. They’ll have groups where they can talk to other victims…. Pussy Whipped Anonymous (PWA for short)

  628. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh I think I embarrassed her. She left after I explained the whole plant thing.

  629. Josh says:

    Whosoever wants to respond to it. 😉

  630. Josh says:

    Yes…some men do already. I did not invent it. As a matter of fact, you may not have read all those female shenanigans together in one place before either.

    Just wait a few more years. as MGTOW gains more traction, such usage of the term will be more widespread. 😉

  631. Jaybird923 says:

    Why did you decide to retire @hello?

    @Josh are you asking her a question or are you asking me why I retired her?

  632. Jaybird923 says:

    @JOSH No one calls your examples rape either but you. Most people call it being whipped, a pussy, or pussy whipped to name a few.

  633. Josh says:

    The female mind rape of men scenarios I have mentioned are not just “controlling” behavior patterns. They are exercised to break a man emotionally, socially, mentally and financially.

  634. Josh says:

    Why did you decide to retire @hello?

  635. Josh says:

    @Jay

    Sweetheart, men “rape” women in certain way. Women “rape” men in other ways. The man-controls-woman scenarios you have indicated have never been called “rape”.

  636. Jaybird923 says:

    those last 2 post were me I accidentally deleted my email address so my gravatar didn’t show up.

  637. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh Thank you for clarifying Rems thoughts that makes perfect sense and I have no problem with that.

  638. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh you are really horrible of making logical comparisons. How is a woman being physically violated equal to a man who allows him self to be hen pecked. You must have done horrible on that section of the SATs.

    Now if you said would you have no sympathy for a woman who allows her man/husband to control 1) what she wears 2)who see can talk to 3)when she can go out 4)etc. etc. I would tell you the same thing I have no sympathy for her either.

  639. Josh says:

    @Jay

    @Rem’s simplified version.

    1. If you want to stay as anonymous as you wish, he has no problem offering you P4P only.

    2. If you want more meaningful sugar relationship, he needs to know exactly who you are as he is willing to share exactly who he is.

  640. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    I can’t claim that something is or is not happening in all those corners. I don’t have a fair knowledge of every other house on every other street of every other… Etc. If that is truly happening, that sucks.

  641. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem No need for apologies. I want to understand where you are coming from. Maybe rephrase it for me :)

  642. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “@Josh
    Woah. Someone raked you over bad”

    Sweetheart, this movie is played in every other house on every street in ever city in every country in the world. Now go ahead and deny it. I expect it. 😉

  643. rembodler says:

    @ Jay
    Sorry…

  644. Josh says:

    Jaybird923

    “Any man that’s weak enough to allow him self to be treated that way deserves what he gets. I have no sympathy.”

    Hmmm…interesting. Would you condone the following statement then (I certainly don’t)?

    “Any woman that’s dumb enough to allow herself to be raped deserves what she gets. I have no sympathy.”

  645. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “@Josh
    Woah. Someone raked you over bad”

    Sweetheart, this movie is played on every other house on every street in ever city in every country in the world. No go ahead and deny it. I expect it. 😉

  646. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh Thank you for going through so much trouble to educate me. I know several men in that situation now I have a term for it. Any man that’s weak enough to allow him self to be treated that way deserves what he gets. I have no sympathy.

  647. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    Woah. Someone raked you over bad :-(

  648. Jaybird923 says:

    @Polegirl You’re Welcome and good night

  649. Jaybird923 says:

    @REM I believe I am a reasonably intelligent woman but for the life of me I can’t figure your last post out. I’ve read it several times and I’m still confused.

  650. Josh says:

    @Joy

    Man’s mind is raped many different ways:

    1. Learn about his past and his weaknesses and use them against him as opportunity presents itself.
    2. Make up shit in YOUR mind and accuse your “captive” man that those are his ideas/actions.
    3. Remember his fuck-ups and use them against him as opportunity presents itself, weeks, months, years, decades later.
    4. “Resolve” issues today, only to be rehashed as opportunity presents itself.
    5. Put him on spot as opportunity presents itself.
    6. Learn about some shit happening to some woman 10,000 miles away and try to shove some guilt into your “captive” man.
    7. Insist that he should live by fucked up ideas cooked up by your mother or girlfriends or some mouthy bitch in your circle.
    8. Have no respect your “captive” man’s personal space.
    9. Monopolize every room of the house.
    9. Alienate his friends and isolate him from them.
    9. etc., etc., etc.

  651. flyR1990's says:

    @Polegirl-

    There are a lot of picture collectors, kids in mom’s basement use them for the self pleasuring. When someone just asks for the pictures without any communications they are doing you a favor and telling you to ignore them (95%) . The evil ones send you a slightly edited form mail feigning interest.

    I think it is fine to say in your profile that the personal pictures are reserved for cases of serious interest. You may also want to have three levels of pictures public private very pg and some that only go via email. I would assume that anything you post on SA has a half-life of say 2 billion years. Of course never use a photo that has enough of a face to be recognized or that’s been posted anywhere else if you want to maintain your privacy. Posting your booking photos may limit your market.

    The discussion of what personal information to share when there is very serious interest has large , vocal advocates in both camps. Personal feeling its that if someone really wants to blackmail me they are going to get my id but more importantly I’m not really attracted to a potential SB who is ready to be intimate with someone she does not know and can not verify their existence. There are some who don’t want their SB to ever be able to find them but that’s a pretty tall order in today’s world , more importantly it filters out the SB looking for a relationship where trust is a substantial component.

    I think it took a week or so for a couple of young computer enthusiasts to breakopen the story of the fleet of FBI owned airplanes conducting surveillance, the patterns they flew, the shell companies, photos of the aircraft with the equipment hanging off the side, document the home address of the DOJ executive who forged the company documents, identify some of the frequencies being monitored by some and the fact that other were acting as cell towers but capturing all of the information

  652. polegirl says:

    I am going to say goodnight. Thank you to @jay@ATL@yougot who answered my questions so respectfully. Much sppreciated!!

  653. rembodler says:

    @ Jay
    All I am saying that you have to balance your “privacy concerns” with the trust your SD has to have in you to part with a chunk of change. It is Ok not to trust me with your personal info – as soon as I can pay you per meet and can quit anytime. That is why pay for play is there – you can pretend to be whoever you want and I can to pretend to be whoever I want – as soon as we both agree on the amount and what should transpire when we meet.

  654. THEATLSD says:

    @DowntownLASD
    Your welcome DUDE! I’m probably closer to David (sugardaddydiary blog) style but your stories and history are fascinating and I’ve definitely taken some notes.

    Would love to see you post more here.

    Would

  655. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem Who’s your last post directed to?

  656. rembodler says:

    I see. So P4P is “demeaning”, and she does not want the money upfront. So are you telling me she will take a personal check in the end of the month? Mb we should ask the OP about it.

  657. flyR1990's says:

    The line ” I don’t pay women to have sex with me , I pay them to leave is 1990-‘s Dick Morris ( close advisor to then President Bill Clinton) . I think it was monica who disclosed that While Clinton and Morris discussed the deployment of troops into danger she was kneeling under Clinton’s desk and Morris’ visitor was sucking on his toes in the nearby hotel.

    That lead to the reporter’s outraged question ….. Mr Morris did you really pay that woman $500 to have sex and No I paid her to leave when we were done.

    Both of them are a prime example of what is either not sugar or the sick end of sugar.

    Hopefully sugar includes a genuine appreciation of the partner, not as a life partner but as a partner in an adventure.

  658. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh you explained how paying them keeps you from getting mind raped. But I still don’t think I have a clear understanding of what mind raping a man entails. Don’t you have one of your nifty videos?

  659. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    Thanks for your thoughts on safety along the lines I have been thinking. As for pictures that is what I thought and added a comment previously at the end of my profile to discourage the picture collectors.

  660. Jaybird923 says:

    @REM I want to believe you Rem.I really do, but I strongly suspect you’re not telling me the truth.

    And you’re adding more than I actually said. I didn’t tell her to lie about her name or be evasive. Nor did she say she wanted money upfront. She just wants to keep the two worlds separate.

  661. THEATLSD says:

    @polegirl
    As for pictures. Do not unlock unless you get a decent message with request. There are lots of picture collectors and fappers on here.

  662. THEATLSD says:

    @Pole.
    Share, what you feel is safe. General area you live for planning purposes unless you plan on hosting or want to be picked up. times you would be available for meets. Giving your real first name to me is not to big of a deal.

    I used to pick up my first SB at her house. She had no car but could not host. My last one hosted at her place but she always drove herself or took über to our other meets.

  663. rembodler says:

    @Jay
    “So you’re telling me that you give all your POT SBs Your full name real phone number and place of employment? That you don’t try to protect your privacy?”

    Of course I do. I have nothing to hide… And if I seem evasive…they will think I have something to hide. Which I do not. If your name is fake, and your phone is fake and you are evasive and you want money upfront…mmm, I have a few other dates this week.

  664. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Night Folks.
    This Peach is gone for the evening.
    Sweet dreams all!

  665. polegirl says:

    I have a question about private pictures. Mine are face shots as my profile pic pretty well speaks to my body type. I often get requests to share private pics without so much as even a hello or any message. Personally, I find that creepy. Thoughts?

  666. Josh says:

    @Jay

    1. Learn to love your own company; in solitude as well as in a crowd.
    2. Find a young woman with an on-going need for X.
    3. Her need for X must be more important than your attraction to her.
    4. She should be interested in you merely to the point of meeting her need for X through you.
    5. Every time you meet her, as soon as her need for X is met she should be itching to leave you.
    6. Since she has no interest in you, you are not her emotionally “captive” man.
    7. Since you are not her emotionally captive man, she has no interest in raping your mind.
    8. If her interest in you increases more than the satisfaction of her need for X through you, you amicably dump her ass to protect yourself form getting your mind raped.
    9. Find another young woman with an on-going need for X.
    10. Repeat steps 2-9.

  667. Jaybird923 says:

    @Rem I told her not to give her last name. I didn’t say anything about making up a name.

    So you’re telling me that you give all your POT SBs Your full name real phone number and place of employment? That you don’t try to protect your privacy?

  668. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL True :) If she forgets when she sees the text she’ll remember. Just make sure you text back that you’re willing to be jumped in a joking manner in case she tries to back pedal afterwards. That way you have an escape and it won’t be awkward between you.

  669. rembodler says:

    @Jay… No I just find it kinda… Disingenuous.
    “Let me give you my fake name and a phone number. And please give me $3000 cash to start the arrangement. It is my safety at stake here, how dare you question it!”

  670. THEATLSD says:

    @Jaybird
    Exactly. Then hope she remembers it. 😉

  671. Jaybird923 says:

    @REM Also why do you always have me being dumped in every scenario?

  672. polegirl says:

    @ATL
    yes that is helpful as well hmm interesting what does mot have to he shared.

  673. polegirl says:

    @yougot
    thank you
    my privacy and personal safety are very important to me and I cannot put a price on these. Suggestions on how to communicate this to an Sd other than saying it straight up.

  674. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL good luck! Hopefully she’s a little drunk, and she’s lost her inhibitions and she’ll text you back that she thinks you’re hot and she wants to jump your bones lol I’ll keep my fingers crossed (please forgive the run on sentence)

  675. THEATLSD says:

    @Polegirl
    The first meet is a get to know each meet. Should be short and in a public place. You are making sure he what he says and you are not getting catfished. It is not common to talk terms on first meet. That comes at 2 or 3 meet.

    Also, none of my SB have known where I work or really live. Only one knew my whole real name.

  676. Jaybird923 says:

    @REM how is protecting your privacy fake. I didn’t tell her to lie about who she is. What part of my advice do you object to?

  677. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @polegirl

    What Jay said!

  678. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay. No descion yet. I have a few days. She is out drinking tonight so I’m going to send her a nice birthday message and see how she responds.

  679. rembodler says:

    @Jay @polegirl
    oh okay I think I get it. Don’t give any personal information out.(last names, where you work,etc.) If you haven’t already create a dummy email address that is only used for sugaring. Get a burner phone or download one of the aps such as google voice that will allow you to communicate with SDs with giving out a phone number that can be traced to you. Don’t go to place that you frequent, or that are to close to where you live or work for meets.

    If you pull any of these tricks and you find a decent but smart guy and he figures out you are all fake, he will dump you like hot potato. Be ready for that too.

  680. polegirl says:

    @Jaybird
    thank you for your reply you nailed it in terms of some of my concerns and your suggestions are helpful. Had not hear of google voice good to know.

  681. Jaybird923 says:

    @polegirl oh okay I think I get it. Don’t give any personal information out.(last names, where you work,etc.) If you haven’t already create a dummy email address that is only used for sugaring. Get a burner phone or download one of the aps such as google voice that will allow you to communicate with SDs with giving out a phone number that can be traced to you. Don’t go to place that you frequent, or that are to close to where you live or work for meets.

    If the issue is you don’t want anyone to see him with you because you’re married etc. Then look for some one who’s close enough to meet by car but not in the same town/area as you. Or you can just let them know you’re an indoors only SB. so no dinners, shows,etc.

  682. polegirl says:

    Okay second question, SDS What issues must be discussed at the coffee date stage in negotiating an arrangement in your view or opinion?

  683. THEATLSD says:

    @Polegirl
    Discretion is a large and understood part of this world. Most SD should understand that.

  684. THEATLSD says:

    Promise says:

    “They’re a pair of legs wearing thigh high socks.”

    Could have fooled me. It’s like a Rorschach test.

  685. polegirl says:

    @jaybird
    Protecting personal information and creating a safe zone for myself in terms of other aspects of my personal life. Maybe I did notvask my question well..

  686. Jaybird923 says:

    @polegirl first Welcome to the blog. Second- What does being discreet have to do with negotiating an arrangement? Can you explain what you mean?

  687. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh before you answer the first question. How does a woman rape a mind?

  688. polegirl says:

    Hello all
    I am age wise an older SB trying out the sugar world. I have been pleased with responses to my profile but am open to constructive feedback. I do have some questions for SBs and Sds if folks think they can help. First question, if an SB requires a level of discreetness and privacy, then any suggestions when negotiating an arrangement?

  689. Jaybird923 says:

    @Josh how does paying women protect your mind from rape?

  690. Josh says:

    A more realistic version would be: “I pay women to ‘hopefully’ protect my mind from rape.”

  691. Josh says:

    @GeorgiaPeach,

    It is one of the most idiotic statements about prostitution out there. Madame @flyR repeats it often, which is a sure-shot reason that it is a pretty stupid statement. It suites Charlie Sheen though.

    I would probably say something along the lines of “I pay women to protect my mind from rape.”

  692. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Josh the Mighty Guru
    How do you feel about that Charlie Sheen comment”
    “I don’t pay women to have sex with me. I pay them to leave.”
    Is this how you feel too? :)

  693. rembodler says:

    $$$$$$ says:
    June 5, 2015 at 9:04 am
    To quote Mr Charlie Sheen – “I don’t pay women to have sex with me. I pay them to leave”.

    In this interpretation it does sound pretty offensive. However if you are willing to look beyond political correctness, there is some truth in that. I would re-phrase it to say “the allowance allows one to go back into his life without feeling guilty”.
    While this has been said million times, not all SDs are here because they are old, ugly and cannot get women without some sugar. Some people are just aware of multiple reasons as to why they shouldn’t have a girlfriend who is 25 years younger and still talks about her high school as if it was yesterday (it was the whole three and a half years ago). However, if these are exactly the women one is attracted to…then SA is a bliss.

  694. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL so what did you decide to do about your POT’s birthday are you going with a gift card? Or did you decide on something else?

  695. Promise says:

    They’re a pair of legs wearing thigh high socks.

  696. THEATLSD says:

    @Jay
    Yes that is s good point. $$$$$ oh BTW….

  697. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL In this case he might be trying to distract the reader from the whole herpes thing.

  698. yougottabekiddingme says:

    *and by “never fall”, I mean in the sense of falling and crashing…like ending in a hurtful, bitter, vengeful or regretful way.

  699. yougottabekiddingme says:

    “@promise
    …BTW, what exactly is your gravatar??”

    I thought it was some sort of stuffed animal or babydoll.

    It’s kinda creepy. lol

  700. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @downtown

    I can understand that relationship dynamics change. It’s hard for me to imagine, for my own companionships, situations like you described. Im quite patient and deliberate in my approach, and have been nicely paired in healthy companionships. Id say for me, the end of companionship has been more “fizzle out” than “fall apart”.

    It could be, though, that some of the hangups many people have arent really issues for me. Im a pretty quick read of people, and analyze relationship dynamics, compatibility and potential pretty well. Read a person, analyze the relationship, decide on my investment, recycle investment and ROI…every time we meet, continue until dynamics change, reevaluate. When it comes time to withdraw and reallocate your investment, you walk away knowing that you shared and profited well. I neither lie to myself nor fall folly to wishful thinking. I do, however, take what I want, and fly with it. When it’s time to let go, I want to watch it soar…in the least, drift…but never fall.

    Might seem mushy, but that’s how I build companionships.

  701. THEATLSD says:

    @Promise
    Any SD that puts his wealth and net worth in the Profile narrative is suspect to me. Either total narcissist or a scammer.

    BTW what exactly is your gravatar??

  702. THEATLSD says:

    @Reb
    “*Has anyone heard of these clubs?”

    Yes. When I lived in NYC they were brought to my attention by some Wall Street guys I knew.
    Watch the movie “Eyes Wide Shut” with Tom cruise. That movie will enlighten you. Remember, life imitates art.

  703. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Promise
    He is doing the right thing by sharing his situation. No, I would not hook up with him, because I don’t have or want herpes. But a LOT of people do have it. He is kind and smart to come right out with it.

  704. Jaybird923 says:

    @Promise No he doesn’t want to waste his time. If it’s right there in black and white you can decide right away if you want to move forward and take the risk. Why go through all the trouble of messaging back and forth, setting up a first meet, liking the person only to find out that this is a deal breaker for her. Any woman contacting him knows the risk and are willing to take it.

  705. Promise says:

    However shouldn’t this be something you save for a first date?

  706. Promise says:

    @Jay I’m hoping he ends up with someone who has herpes because there are some very desperate ladies on here.

  707. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @Jay

    Second that.

  708. Jaybird923 says:

    @Promise I respect the fact that he’s open and honest about it and isn’t risking peoples health by not telling them.

  709. Promise says:

    MOTHER OF (insert higher being here)!!!!! NO..NO NO NO! JUST NO! “About Me: Truth… I’m not a billionaire. I do have herpes. I am very wealthy though, with a net worth in excess of $10M, and an annual income of $700K. I own 2 homes, 4 cars, and have a very comfortable life. I was a high ranking executive at a record label in Los Angeles for many years. I’m now an independent television producer living in Boston. I have a creative personality, more akin to an artist than a businessman. Informal. Casual. Open minded. In fact, if you saw me at Starbucks, you’re more likely to think I was an aging rocker [I’m 57], as opposed to a seasoned businessman. I’m also extraordinarily fit for a man my age. I lift weights and hit the treadmill everyday. I’ve been following that routine my entire adult life, and it’s still paying off. Lean. Muscular. I take pride in my physique. Oh yes, herpes. It’s never been a big deal to me. And I’m completely open about it. I’ve had it since my early 20’s. When you’ve had herpes for a long time, outbreaks are exceedingly rare. I haven’t had a single outbreak since starting a daily dose of Valtrex 10 years ago. BUT… Even in the absence of outbreaks, it is possible to pass on the virus. If you’ve read this far it’s likely because you also have herpes, or you’ve assessed transference as a relatively low risk in a case like mine. “

  710. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @DowntownLASD
    Hi there! Are you one of the married guys, like TheATL and ONSD?
    Just curious I suppose. Married SD’s bring a bit of a different perspective to the conversations.

  711. DowntownLASD says:

    @yougottabekiddingme You got that right it’s rare. At least it is to me. I dunno. Maybe it’s just me, but when my arrangements end, one of us wants to get away from the other as fast as possible. Mistakes made, new chapters in life beginning — both of these don’t lend themselves very well to continued communication. I’ve never had an arrangement end on such a good note that we have stayed in touch. Most of the SBs I’ve met move on fairly quickly, either to their next SD or to another phase of their lives that have no room for the old guy with the wallet.

  712. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic No possible about it definitely sexual

    @YGTBKM pretend you’re crying that usually makes people uncomfortable enough that they’ll leave you alone.

  713. yougottabekiddingme says:

    Im gonna get kicked out of this cafe soon enough. Lol

  714. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @Cryptic

    LOL! Yes.

  715. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Kidding Me – Topless photo standing in front of yacht with SD’s thumb up her arse – Artful, possibly sexual.

  716. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Kidding – Unofficial policy change obviously.

  717. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Jay *squishy huge hugs*

    @ Kidding Me – The second profile had good lighting I guess lol. To me it suggests they either aren’t vetting the pics like they used to or there has been a policy change somewhere.

  718. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @Jay

    Sorry. Again.

  719. yougottabekiddingme says:

    Possible example…

    Topless photo with thong up arse: Non-sexual, Possibly Artful
    Topless photo with thumb up arse: Sexual, Possibly Artful

  720. Promise says:

    Disqus got a new feature.

  721. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @cryptic

    Im not so sure.

    Likely falls under the subjectivity of the “Artful and non-sexual.”

  722. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic I’m so blushing right now. Thanks for the lovely compliment xoxo

  723. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @FlyR

    :)

  724. flyR says:

    @youg….. ” A good friend shared that in her country, when a sugar relationship ends after being well maintained, the benefactor finds reward in having enjoyed a lovely lady while helping her blossom into a successful woman upon whom he can still smile. ”

    It is much more common in than the conversations on the blog would have you believe

  725. cryptic anomaly says:

    @KiddingMe – The first one was fully topless, public photo. The second profile was nude except g string breasts fully exposed, arse as good as exposed given it was a g string. The second profile was the private pics.

    Yeah I read up on the rules for photos too and it would seem that these would have to be in breach.

  726. yougottabekiddingme says:

    Public photos can include…

    “Houses, Cars, Yachts are allowed if you’re present in the photo.”

    Ha

  727. flyR says:

    BTW I do agree 100% with H@nn on listen to your gut – situational awareness, don’t do anything stupid.

    While the exchange of sugar is traditionally done prior to intimacy there may be a good reason to skip that step….. You have done your homework and decided he is the one you want ….. you have agreement on something that is acceptable to your……. you are going to trust him with your body and soul…… somethings it makes sense to break the rules , especially if he did not expect to have reached an agreement at this moment.

    The secret is not to avoid risks but don’t take stupid risks if you are going to bend the rule have a good reason (other than someone talked you into it)

  728. yougottabekiddingme says:

    Nude with parts concealed? Or full on nude?

    Per SA photo guidelines:

    “Private photos can include

    Photos must include yourself.
    Artful and non-sexual nude photos.
    Topless or nude photos where genitals are covered.”

  729. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Kidding me – I didn’t think they were allowed at all, but the first one I saw was the main public pic. The second one was private.

  730. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Jay – Oh yeah she is natural and beautiful. Like you xx

  731. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @cryptic

    I dont think nude pictures are allowed in public photos. Not sure about private photos.

  732. flyR says:

    @H@nnnn “””Then you will come across a large majority of the guys who will message you as a new SB. They’ll ask for sex and offer you a certain amount if you come to their place. DO NOT GO TO THEIR PLACE. If you are interested in that kind of thing, meet in a public place, go back to a hotel room, get the money before you do anything sexual and LISTEN TO YOUR GUT INSTINCTS. If something doesn’t seem right but you don’t know why GTFO. That goes for meeting guys who say they’re happy to wait as well. Your safety should always come first.
    As for men being boring in bed – try someone a little different from who you would normally pick.””””.

    couple of comments

    “Never go home with prospective SD ” Although I tend to agree that it is somewhat risky, stop and think forward …………. Thursday night and you met your GF for dinner to discuss your seeking SD stories of woe , despair and disappointment …… about the potential SD who seemed nice but wanted you to go home with him,,,,,,,,, outrage …… then you move to the bar after dinner to continue sharing stories and drinks. You’re horney, the guy in the corner is getting cuter with the passage of time and drinks …………….. half hour after you danced with him you are walking out the door to go home with him .. The guy is thinking wow the other guys working in the kitchen will never believe my luck……. Risk is relative.

  733. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic Does this one have nicer boobs?

  734. yougottabekiddingme says:

    Re: post-sugar shame, breakups etc

    @downtown

    “I wouldn’t be who I am had I not met some of the outstanding women I’ve met along the way.”

    I feel the same way about my companionships. Though I do understand that while one may feel this way, it might not necessarily translate well to a new partner or society at large.

    I suppose, too, that it depends on the type of relationship you had. A good friend shared that in her country, when a sugar relationship ends after being well maintained, the benefactor finds reward in having enjoyed a lovely lady while helping her blossom into a successful woman upon whom he can still smile. And the lady is ever so gracious in her gratitude, albeit humbly so.

    Actually…

    This is the same friend I mentioned earlier…the one whose partner has met her former benefactor.

    So maybe this, too, is a rare example.

  735. cryptic anomaly says:

    A SB just granted me access to her private photos and they were nude ones. So that is two profiles now. I’m not complaining as such, just always thought that was something they wanted to avoid on here. Any other SD’s noticing nude pics appearing on profiles?

  736. Charlotte says:

    I am sorry for typing mistakes.

  737. Charlotte says:

    @Reb
    I don’t know but once a SD pot invited me something like this. But said he only needed a parther to enter and if I wanted to went out once he is inside he didn’t mind.

    And you seem to attract strange gente.

  738. Reb says:

    *Has anyone heard of these clubs?

  739. Reb says:

    I started talking to this guy and he said he is a member of this club in New York. 20-30 people meet at this resort and pay a membership fee. It is very private. He says it is NOT swinging, even though it is obvious people trade partners… He says it is different because women choose? I don’t know. I think he has an issue with that term being “low class”.

  740. yougottabekiddingme says:

    “Nothing is worth losing really good cookies.”

    That’s what I’ll tell ’em :D. They’ll likely stare at me blankly, and ask me to leave anyway. Lol. Cant win ’em all.

  741. Jaybird923 says:

    @YGTBKM Then don’t do it. Nothing is worth losing really good cookies. :) Beside I don’t have abs I workout just enough for a flat stomach but not enough to develop abs. So I couldn’t accept your challenge any ways

  742. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @Jay

    Actually, I dont think I should risk it. Id really miss the cookies here :(.

  743. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @Jay

    If you share the joy of your privileged abs, I will spread the joy of my privileged laughter…as Im being escorted out of the building, and asked not to return. Lol.

    Bring on the Gravatar, girlie! Challenge accepted??

  744. Jaybird923 says:

    @YGTBKM Go for it. Spread the joy :)

  745. yougottabekiddingme says:

    @cryptic

    Party pooper ;p.

    @Jay

    Lol. Sorry.

    Panera Bread wants to know why Im laughing. Think I should tell them?

  746. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic Well that’s unfortunate. I was seriously considering going next if it worked with her. I could use some privilege lol

  747. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay – I can’t speculate on what would never happen!

  748. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic I know. It was super weird and funny. I was hoping she would go into further detail. but you’ll do. So if you stick your privilege inside her does it make her privileged squared?

  749. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay – She was trying to have a go at me. The partial quote she used was from me but of course she missed the main part of the text that explained why I said the last 2 lines.

  750. Jaybird923 says:

    @YGTBKM LOL WTF?

  751. cryptic anomaly says:

    @kidding me – You gotta be kidding me!!

  752. yougottabekiddingme says:

    “So you know where to stick your PC Diatribes about fairness and equality and whatever other nonsense you people dream up.”

    I only dream of you, dear anomaly. Will you stick your privilege inside of me? And if so…would that make me privileged squared (p²)? I sure hope so.

  753. Jaybird923 says:

    @Hot LMAO that is all

  754. A.C. says:

    I rarely get to the point where things “get weird” when we break up. If you get too emotionally attached, it’s like “real dating.” If that makes sense to anyone?

  755. hototrot1 says:

    I was married for 7 years and right up until the last day of my marriage, my husband I had sexual relations. And we HATED each other by that point. A strong word, I don’t feel that way about him now. But, I did then. I guess I hadn’t really been married long enough for it to turn sexless. Of the SA men I’ve talked to, that’s been the chief complaint. So strange to me. I’m not even a sex-crazed person. I enjoy it very much, but it doesn’t rule me. But, then again my ex was a stud. Even when I stopped loving him, I loved a “part” of him. hehe Took me a year to realize me and his “part” were really, truly over. lol

  756. CucumberOnLids says:

    ” @Struggle

    Your money gains you access to girls you would not have access to otherwise. No shame in that. Everyone has a set of cards. Fucking play them and enjoy the booty!”

    Truth!

  757. DowntownLASD says:

    @ THEATLSD — please don’t flatter me, good grief, I’m just some dude trying to get through life like the rest of us. LOL But I definitely appreciate the nice words you wrote above. I hope that what I write helps others the same way it helps me.

  758. FlyBoy says:

    Hot, SA is indeed a pussy paradise! The average girl on here is taller, thinner, smarter and far more educated than your average American girl. And, since this is the USA we are talking about, the girls come from all ethnicities. So if a man can’t find what he wants on here, he is probably gay, into a deranged fetish, or just simply isn’t cut out for this environment.

    If you think my last point has to do with money, then you are right and wrong. Money is part of it, but not even that important. Anyway I’ll write more later, for I have to go now!

    Cheers :)

  759. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic Maybe that’s why she’s on here… to find someone willing to help her correct a botched boob job. Of course there’s an email I would never joke about something like that 😉

  760. StruggleIsReal says:

    Ha, thanks guys! @gentleman @Hot @ATL @Josh

    Embracing reality and working with it is really worth it. Leave the delusionals to themselves. Have a laugh and move on to the perhaps fewer, but worthy prospects that have their heads on straight.

  761. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ Jay – Well the boobs were fake and poorly done, hers, not yours. There better be an email there too!

  762. Jaybird923 says:

    The scent and talk of free money excite and galvanize women like nothing else.
    @Josh Like Chum to sharks? lol

  763. Josh says:

    @Struggle is on a roll. 😉

  764. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic You’re against topless photos? Oh No! Please don’t open the last email I sent you lol

  765. THEATLSD says:

    @Struggles
    “Your money gains you access to girls you would not have access to otherwise. No shame in that. Everyone has a set of cards. Fucking play them and enjoy the booty!”

    Possibly the best statement ever made on this blog.

  766. Josh says:

    The scent and talk of free money excite and galvanize women like nothing else.

  767. hototrot1 says:

    @gentleman soul
    “Fuckin’ A No struggles here. Thanks for needy ,broke, beautiful women !”

    Fuck yeah! Enjoy. Wink.

  768. hototrot1 says:

    @Struggle
    “Age, appearance, body, personality, status, breeding, wealth, intelligence… And more. These are all variables that factor into one’s desire for another and desirability to others.”

    So correct. We’re all in some way or another are looking for some piece of our missing puzzle piece. Something we’ve alway wanted or never had. Or had once, but lost. Be it beauty, money, sex whatever. Demonizing or praising one over the other is senseless and will drive you MAD. LOL

  769. cryptic anomaly says:

    On a different note just saw my first topless photo on here, always thought that was against the rules. Another step down.

  770. hototrot1 says:

    I’m starting to realize I couldn’t post a lot of my post about English a French mores of earlier eras because I think this site blocks any reference to s e x work. I suppose for legal reasons. Well, I can’t support my ideas without those words. I’ll just say that the SB/SD thing hearkens to another era. And that’s what makes it sexy for me.

  771. Typical SB says:

    I have no interest in coming for my SD. I am highly motivated in leaving from him again and again.

  772. hototrot1 says:

    @Struggles
    You are making too much damn sense here! lol I agree with what you have to say as well @Gentleman Soul.

    I have no desire to use anybody. If a man wants a big boat and has a means to get it, it’s not a crime for him to buy it. He doesn’t need it, he wants it. Sugar is a want not a need. I don’t see where it needs to be entirely logical.

  773. $$$$$$ says:

    To quote Mr Charlie Sheen – “I don’t pay women to have sex with me. I pay them to leave”.

  774. gentleman soul says:

    @Struggle

    Your money gains you access to girls you would not have access to otherwise. No shame in that. Everyone has a set of cards. Fucking play them and enjoy the booty!

    Fuckin’ A No struggles here. Thanks for needy ,broke, beautiful women !

  775. StruggleIsReal says:

    I will also note something peculiar by actually quite similar to the point so just made.
    My GB is younger than me. I do NOT date younger than me, as a rule. I prefer around 10 yrs older than me, at the least. I would not have given him access to me if he had not “fanned his feathers” from the start, so to speak. His age is/was a “demerit” to me. But he compensates by being extremely generous and he takes care of me. Now, I am in love with him deeply, and I would never demand anything from him (though he still gives generously). I would not have had access to him, his resources, and his background if I did not bring my given-set of cards to the table. I am realistic about what those are and I don’t feel ashamed about it.
    My point is that access is a beautiful thing and one should not be ashamed or frustrated by utilizing it. Don’t undervalue it. Use it.

  776. StruggleIsReal says:

    This conversation is tired. Revisited so often and it’s quite simple, on both ends.

    Each partner looks for things in the other. Where one lacks in one area (or more Han one area), one may be able to “overcompensate” in another to help mitigate their figurative dating sum.

    For instance, say a girl is tall and has an amazing body, a less than attractive face, but she presents herself on point and has a killer personality and comes from a wealthy background. She may likely score the same guy who the girl with an okay body but beautiful face, great personality, and upper-middle class background would.

    Age, appearance, body, personality, status, breeding, wealth, intelligence… And more. These are all variables that factor into one’s desire for another and desirability to others. Everyone values things uniquely. While there are some general presets that most have in common, it’s up to each individual to put his/her best cards on the table and judge what he/she feels merits his/her time, intimacy, and resources.

    Also, people are looking for varying levels of relationships and that also changes the dynamic of what one wants and requires. A hot girl with a shot personality is probably great for a couple hours but maybe not for more of the “girlfriend experience”. Etc etc

    To anyone saying that a girl would date you anyways yet she demands an allowance in order to be with you… Sweetheart, you are kidding yourself. She is being “nice” to you and trying to play into your ego. She doesn’t want to emasculate you by telling you point-blank that she would never date you or especially go near your penis if you weren’t providing some immense satisfaction for her, in this case in the form of an allowance. There is nothing wrong with this. I absolutely believe that love can and does blossom within many of such relationships. But don’t be silly. Thins are what they are. Your money gains you access to girls you would not have access to otherwise. No shame in that. Everyone has a set of cards. Fucking play them and enjoy the booty!

  777. gentleman soul says:

    I seek an SB who will treat me like a love interest and not a John. That is part of the illusion I seek . I am lucky to have had several I felt “love” for . But there was never a question of taking it to the next level . But then again I am not single . I think sugaring would be more difficult emotionally if I were single . As it is I know there is no future beyond the present .

    Escorts are extremely risky in my part of the country. LE is all over it and the quality is very poor- high volume in and out -so to speak .

  778. Charlotte says:

    @Rem
    @Charlotte

    Do not get me wrong – it does not mean that any idea labeled “liberal” is necessarily wrong. If you ever been in a country like China, India or Russia, you would be very thankful for emission control that is exercised here or in Europe. Same with smoking.

    Totally true. But emission/ smoking control has more spacio-temporal benefits than to stop global warming.

    Very very good point though.

    Also sometimes you just have to represent things more dramatical than they actually are to rise local attention.

  779. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic When it no longer makes sense for you. You shouldn’t do it. Brothels are legal where you are. So if an occasional release is what you’re looking for go for it. It has to be cheaper and less effort than sugar.

  780. rembodler says:

    @Cecilia
    “…90% of sugar daddies do not give more than a 1000 a month in allowances in the US…”
    …and they are still overpaying…:-))).

  781. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Cecilia – That is interesting. If you believe the hype SD’s are a never ending money source.

    @Gentleman – I’m only 41 so still a realistic age as it were. I do understand what you are saying though. I guess the point I am making is everything has it’s value and I am not seeing much value in this anymore.

    @Jay – I’m just finding the women who want a more relationship feel to Sugar for lack of a better word to be around a man they have chemistry with which in itself lends to the theory that they would date him anyway. What I am getting at is they blur the lines themselves. Brothels are looking better and better lol .

  782. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic If I was on a sugar website where the whole premise is to pay him I would, if I was on a traditional dating website I wouldn’t. Maybe I should rephrase my comment to “Resent having to give an allowance to the woman who is into you.”

  783. gentleman soul says:

    The “love me” convo is interesting because we all want to be appreciated for ourselves . But in the end older(age inappropriate)SDs have to pay an allowance to even get in the door with a young SB . So money is always an issue in that relationship. I know some of my SBs 40 yrs my junior “loved” me ,but I had no illusions that they would view me as an IRL date or SO. If I stopped the allowance it would generate a difficult but very predictable outcome .

  784. Cecilia says:

    90% of sugar daddies do not give more than a 1000 a month in allowances in the US…

  785. Charlotte says:

    About sexual messages,

    Reread your profile as if you were to date yourself, do you see a provocative young girl, who uses vague terms to draw attention?

    Or do you have too explicit photos? Anything you wouldn’t wear in public or around someone who you wouldn’t get intimate is explicit.

    If none of these above applies you are getting your share what SA has the most. Probably.

    Don’t try to be femme fatale who turns heads but doesn’t lead into bedroom. It is a dangerous game.

    Also, in all honestly, reconsider, you want him as companion and his “extras allowences etc”, but don’t get intimate, this means you aren’t really looking for chemistry ( chemistry is all about hormones). Don’t you think it is a bit misplaced to judge men for asking for intimacy before setting “chemistry” as you don’t mind to have “chemistry” to get his extras.

    @Crypic

    I like my SD pot, I really enjoy exchanging mails, talking on phone after his meetings. When we are together it is even better. So hard for to ask for allowence. I cannot.

    But he says I make his life better and for this reason he wants to make my life better. He is just ” covering” the time I could work instead of working.

    And for extras shopping and all, it is really he wants to see me in a particular fashion so we can go enjoy his end of places spontaneously.

    From my conculsion the more you care about him (SD) as person the more you get appreciated as a person( SB). So you won’t get this p4p kind of arrangement.

    Thanks SA blong for having all my ” drama” for enjoying my time better with Daddy.

  786. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay – When did I say I resented the woman who is into me? Just why should I have to pay her? Let me flip it around. Jay, you find a guy you really like, he likes you too. BUT despite him liking you he wants to be paid to spend time around you. What would you do??

    @Gentleman – P4P is also a mindset though. Probably less pretend than usual Sugar. Never done it so don’t know but I have noticed the SD’s into it are a lot more straight forward.

  787. gentleman soul says:

    @Cryptic
    I do get the SD’s who keep it P4P as it removes all the complex emotional/intellectual stuff and keeps it a simple business transaction.

    (Sighs) P4P is just a shorter payment schedule, no different than a monthly allowance-just weekly -or daily . THe potential emotional entanglement is the same . Unless P4P is one girl and done -then on to the next one .

    @Jaybird923
    Got to love this bit of stupidity. “The first meet is to make sure she’s not a pro. Once I know for sure she’s not the first thing on my agenda is to treat her like one. And If she balks, well fuck her. There’s more women than men so I’ll just move on.” yes genius the women who won’t balk are the pros you don’t want.

    Yes, besides ,how do you know if the Pot is Pro ? Appearances are deceiving . Unless she is quoting 15/30/60 min prices.

  788. Promise says:

    The overweight model from back when we had Disqus is gonna be on.

  789. Promise says:

    I’m watching Steve Harvey right now, and the episode preview made me think of @FunDude. XD

  790. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic I think you might be turning into a diabetic. No more sugar for you. lol you’re a walking contradiction. You won’t bother with the woman who’s not into you and you resent the woman who is. Time look at real life options my friend.

  791. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Struggles – The peacock analogy is very true. A man who thinks being seen with a woman is some kind of status symbol, that is what his reward is and the SB’s who are with him are rewarded well in turn. Those men are pretty rare though I would say.

  792. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Jay – That is the thing, I wouldn’t even bother with a woman who didn’t like me in anyway at all. By “Into” I don’t mean she is mad about me etc I mean like on any level. I’m kind of coming to the end of my interest in Sugar I think hence my current mindset.

  793. Jaybird923 says:

    @Online My comments weren’t directed at you. Just a general question

  794. Jaybird923 says:

    @Cryptic To want an allowance to be around someone you like and would be around anyway is greedy, cold and manipulative in my opinion not to mention “Double Dipping” as she would also be benefiting from dinners and gifts etc not to mention his company which she also enjoys.

    I don’t get this logic it’s only okay to give an allowance if the woman is not into you? Is this some type of sadist thing? If she’s suffering it makes giving an allowance easier? Like she’s actually earning it? lol

  795. cryptic anomaly says:

    @ONSD – I take everything into account in the end. Mostly I compare what she expects to what brothels etc are charging and go from there. So if I were to try and put it into an equation it would be something like this,

    My Attraction to her x Her Attraction to me x Chemistry x Fun Value x What she expects x Simplicity of arrangement x what I am willing to spend =

  796. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Hot – It seems we are pretty much saying the same thing here. That to try and make this about anything more than sex is to make it complicated and confusing for all.
    Almost like it becomes a game of pretend for both parties.

    @ONSD – That is what I keep coming back to. I don’t like to feel like a sucker or be taken for one. So if a woman wants a rich boyfriend type to show her around, spoil her but not get an allowance that is fine because she likes him anyway. To want an allowance to be around someone you like and would be around anyway is greedy, cold and manipulative in my opinion not to mention “Double Dipping” as she would also be benefiting from dinners and gifts etc not to mention his company which she also enjoys. I’m getting closer and closer to MGTOW Red Pill status and that is why I am probably getting more cynical, I was also speaking to a woman earlier who was a little confusing and wants a man she has chemistry with, would date anyway but gives her money as well. That entitlement attitude pisses me off.

    @THEATSLD yes I take an interest in world politics as well as culture in general, I like knowing why and how things work. No headaches but some nose bleeds lol

    @Jay – It is an interesting oxymoron, to treat her like a whore you have to ensure she is not a whore. Not sure what difference it would make if all you want is P4P anyway. Maybe it is because I am a man Jay but if I need assistance I don’t look to women to help me, I don’t sell my time, sex and affections to do that. I guess the point I am really making is why should I have to pay someone to be with me at all? ESPECIALLY if she actually liked me?! That entitlement thing again.

  797. THEATLSD says:

    @Struggles
    “Basically the seasoned man who enjoys caring for his woman is a peacock fanning his feathers”

    Great analogy!!

    “Is she aware you are interested and is she reciprocating?”
    Pretty sure she is on both sides, I think most women have that radar turned on. We see each other about once to twice a week and interact nonchalantly on a social media site but seems to be some innuendoness going on.

    As for Downtown that is not the blog I posted, this is a different blog with his real life experiences also, I have been reading downtowns blog for awhile. LA area is such a different animal in this world it make for a good read.

  798. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jay – I wouldn’t…I’m talking through some questions…If I feel there’s acting going on, I’m out…

    My question was more for the other SDs…do they have a set figure in mind that would be a ceiling for someone who was obviously not attracted, but entertaining?

    And, I do like to talk about the “formula” for allowance at times…it’s something that rattles around in my head anyways.

  799. Jaybird923 says:

    @ATL it depends. If we recently met and we are on speaking terms but not the have lunch or grab coffee type colleagues I would find it weird and wonder why is he getting me a gift. If this a new “friendship” a birthday call/text would be more appropriate and you can use it as an opportunity to move your “friendship” to the hanging out stage.

    You call/text her happy birthday she responds with a thank you(if she’s a classy Broad)and you say how about I get treat you to lunch /a cup of coffee for your B-day. If she agrees you’ve just successfully transitioned your relationship and you know she’s comfortable with you. If she declines/ makes excuses then you know not to waste your time any further.

  800. StruggleIsReal says:

    Oh, and hi @Latin :)
    I won’t be going to the party in NY. Not my bag ‘o chips. I’m glad to hear things are great with you! All is well here (with me) too. Are you getting any Sugar lately?

  801. StruggleIsReal says:

    Some women are genuinely attracted to older, established men partially *because* of the money and stability that comes with it. Basically the seasoned man who enjoys caring for his woman is a peacock fanning his feathers. There is definitely something very sexy about that. *Usually* this is found in older men (for obvious reasons), and these men could even be only marginally physically attractive. It’s not so much to the point that they must “pay” for someone to “be with them” , but that the money, lifestyle, and braggadocio is part and parcel of their allure.

  802. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ATL – if it is not out of the realm of possibility, get it for her…it solidifies you as a benefactor (if $25 is what would be “normal” maybe do $50, it’s not too far out of “reality” but shows you have more interest)

    If you think she’s getting close to the “pitch” for sugar, you could always get her a card with an offer for a birthday drink, dinner or something? Wait…maybe that’s a bit much…

  803. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ATL
    What is the level of your interaction at this point? Is she aware you are interested and is she reciprocating?

    On another note, who is @DowntownLASD? Is that the guy with the blog that was mentioned recently (I read it a while back.)?

  804. Jaybird923 says:

    @online If she is on the site for for assistance and also happens to be attracted to older men then it’s a win win for both parties. She gets the help she needs without having to pretend to be attracted to him and he gets a companion who really can’t keep her hands off of him.
    On the flip side should she be punished with a lower allowance because she’s actually attracted to you? Is the woman who has to close her eyes and pretend you’re someone else when she’s with you deserving of more for her pain and suffering? I don’t understand why you would want to give less to someone who actually like you.

  805. THEATLSD says:

    @Latin welcome back. Did you move? I checked your profile and you have a different location listed now?

    @ALl some of these “drive by posting want help SB” are suspect. Since we don’t know we keep helping. The argument for a forum is seems be solidified on a daily basis here.

    @hototrot…you really need to read Alexis de Tocqueville’s “Democracy in America”.

    @Cryptic…you really have an accurate handle on what’s going on in the U.S. That good to see and know that folks outside of here get it.
    BTW, do you get headaches since you are upside down? :)

    @All especially SB. My IRL Potential POT SB has birthday this week. I was thinking of getting a gift card for her birthday. It would be for something related to her job and probably not out of the realm for her clients/trainees to give her a little something. It would be a small amount maybe $25.00 for like lulu lemon. Question, would this come across creepy stalkerish or seen as a nice gesture.

  806. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @hot & @cryptic – great continued conversation!

    I REALLY like cryptic’s posited question, because it DOES get to the crux of the issue that @FunDude talks about with the way an allowance is calculated in sugar…

    If the woman is TRULY more attracted to older, established men (specifically HER SD) does she “deserve” a higher allowance, regardless of other qualifiers (like looks, body, etc)?

    Is there an amount of money the SD is willing to spend to be with someone that might not be into him, but is entertaining/acting enough?

    Also, @Josh the 10:1 ratio that is on SA now is for the NY event, not the entire site (I think)…

  807. Jaybird923 says:

    Got to love this bit of stupidity. “The first meet is to make sure she’s not a pro. Once I know for sure she’s not the first thing on my agenda is to treat her like one. And If she balks, well fuck her. There’s more women than men so I’ll just move on.” yes genius the women who won’t balk are the pros you don’t want.

  808. hototrot1 says:

    Somebody is blasting Teddy Pendergrass in my apartment building. I”m not mad, takes me to really happy times as child with my folks and my extended family. Family reunions. Summer and the good barbecue daddy smoked all night into the morning. Anyway I’m just talking to myself. My day will start NOW.

  809. hototrot1 says:

    *a woman who fucks a man “out of her league”.