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Are You OpenMinded?

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OpenMinded is the first dating site designed with modern relationships in mind, specifically for the many configurations exist outside typical monogamous relationships.

There is a growing trend of acceptance of the subcultures in society that were once considered taboo for being nontraditional. However, just because they aren’t openly discussed or accepted doesn’t mean that these subcultures didn’t exist.

Luckily, this “behind-closed-door” attitude towards certain lifestyle choices is no longer necessary as the stigma associated with open relationships is dissipating; people are becoming much more tolerant and, well, open minded.

From exposés on polyamory, to A&E’s recently controversial Neighbors with Benefits, consensual non-monogamy is on the rise. OpenMinded.com caters to this new wave of alternative lifestyles by providing a safe and judgement-free platform, for those interested in open relationships to connect with like-minded individuals.

Non-monogamous relationships are more common than you might think. It’s the couple next door, or the seemingly normal family behind you in line at the grocery store.

OpenMinded is for anyone who wants to be in an open and honest relationship. Couples and singles looking for open relationships are encouraged to join and forge a community that is safe and stigma-free. Often times, a break from the monotony of monogamy is exactly what a relationship needs to reignite the passion.

Discover yourself as you discover other members of this thriving community of people seeking monogamish relationships, polyamory, swinging, and just plain sexual curiosity.

No matter what type of open relationship you’re seeking, OpenMinded can be your platform to find it. If you don’t find the configuration you are looking for, you have the ability to make your preference a part of the site, because we’re just as open minded as you.


Whether you’re already living a non-monogamous lifestyle or just interested in learning a bit more, OpenMinded is free to join. There are people like you out there, and OpenMinded is the perfect space to connect them.

 

 


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950 Responses to “Are You OpenMinded?”

  1. Yes, life is short, go our and enjoy dating, but be safe while doing it.

  2. I don’t know, but I will try.

  3. Anonymous says:

    I am indian male ,,i am 39years old i want explore my girl friend ,,whose mentality r same with me ,,prefer hindi or urdu or english or korean konwn lady

  4. DowntownLASD says:

    My previous SB and I were into the swinging lifestyle and we indulged with other couples a few times. My current Sb and I will get to this side of the lifestyle eventually; we’re enjoying each other too much right now!

  5. Amanda says:

    We must be open and light mind and let live all his life. Everyone is master of his life and does what he pleases. Excellent article. Thanks for sharing it with us.

  6. Miss_Kelly says:

    Sounds like a great website. I am very open minded and it sounds like it would be easier to find someone who is open minded too and easy to talk to. Honest communication is key into a relationship. And what’s the point in being in a relationship if you cant be who you really are?

  7. Kelly says:

    Sounds like a great website. I am very open minded and it sounds like it would be easier to find someone who is open minded too and easy to talk to. Honest communication is key into a relationship. And what’s the point in being in a relationship if you cant be who you really are?

  8. @Dollface says:

    @Peeps I am definitely ending the relationship. Tonight I saw a side to him I don’t ever want to see again. He bought me everything for the puppy I’m getting on Sunday, but I can’t do this anymore. I will definitely be looking for someone else…. everything he does for me he uses it as a way to try manipulate me into doing stuff I’m not comfortable with or in the mood for. He is VERY manipulative. I hear your warning loud and clear. I’m not going to make excuses for him any longer.

  9. @Dollface says:

    @Josh well I have to agree with there, but you can keep a woman happy. The woman that require more to be happy are the high maintenance ones. There are simple women out there… women who don’t expect much… or who claim they don’t. Bottom line women want to be pampered. We want to feel, desired, pampered and cared for. Men need some probing understanding that an how to display all that most of the time. It’s life. Oh well.

  10. Anonymous says:

    OPENMINDED ABOUT A SIZZLING HOT PETITE BOMBSHELL TRANNY SUGARBABY??? ahahahah BEAUTIFUL WOMEN OF TODAY WERE LITTLE BOYS OF YESTERDAY and I’m an eppitomy of that. lolz

  11. Anonymous says:

    OPENMINDED ABOUT A SIZZLING HOT PETITE BOMBSHELL TRANNY SUGARBABY??? ahahahah BEAUTIFUL WOMEN OF TODAY WERE LITTLE BOYS OF YESTERDAY and I’m an eppitomy of that. lolz

  12. Anonymous says:

    OPENMINDED ABOUT A SIZZLING HOT PETITE BOMBSHELL TRANNY SUGARBABY??? ahahahah BEAUTIFUL WOMEN OF TODAY WERE LITTLE BOYS OF YESTERDAY and I’m an epitomy of that. lolz

  13. Josh says:

    OMG, I guess that’s why people think dating sites / apps increase STDs…

  14. peeps says:

    @all
    Quick question:
    Does anyone know if you block someone on SA they can still see your profile in full? Someone keeps visiting me and I find it annoying is there a way to stop the person from seeing your profile?

  15. peeps says:

    @dollface

    I had said that before…this dude is into CONTROL. Plus, I am sorry, a laptop that is not Apple isn’t that expensive. You can get one at Staples for like $600. This dude is using you for sex. Get on SA NOW and get yourself a serious SD who will take care of your needs. Yes you will have to fuck your SD and he will in turn take care of you. Don’t buy into this platonic sugar daddy bullshit it does not exist, not for 2-3k a month that you said you need.

    This dude you’re with is a manipulative psycho, you’re super young, you can find better men. Don’t say we haven’t alerted you. You’re selling yourself REAL short…and that is YOUR FAULT, not his. You’re the one who accepted this to begin with.

  16. Josh says:

    @MonaLisa and @Lala

    I am not supporting any specific numbers. The numbers should be what both SBs and SDs are comfortable with. But talking down $500 is nonsense.

  17. Josh says:

    @MonaLisa

    “Wow Im surprised that so many people are acting like $500 is low for p4p! I’d be ecstatic if someone offered that much! I am from NJ and the pot SDs around here are awful.”

    NJ is one of the more expensive states to live in. The purpose of some of the participants post is to challenge lower numbers when they are discussed. Most of these parparticipants post as female, but some of them post as male to try to reduce gender bias from their nonsensical assertions.

  18. MonaLisa says:

    @Lala

    I hear ya!!! lol

    I keep reading through comments and everyone else seems to be living a fantasy! Finding real SDs and getting allowances! I need to know which area to start searching in because I will never find a real SD around here.

  19. Lala says:

    @MonaLisa I wasnt going to comment but holy shit I have been dealing with the same thing! I am from Georgia but I have been living in NJ for a few years. I never had any issues until I moved here. The SDs here are so full of shit!!! They try to scam you and make you feel bad for wanting the arrangement or p4p worth it for you. I had one guy that I really liked and we slept together after getting to know each other for a few weeks. Originally he promised $400. Afterwards, he told me to create a paypal account and he will pay me $200 instead because he paid for dinner and the hotel room! He was uncomfortable with handing me cash just in case he was being ‘setup’. I wasnt able to make a paypal account because my bank account wouldnt link up for some reason and he hasnt made any effort to send me the money. He still keeps talking about meeting up again but he keeps saying paypal is the only way he will exchange money! I know Im never seeing a dime from him! And this guy claims to own a company and be worth 10 million!
    Not to mention the MANY other guys I talk to on here that offer barely anything and lay down rules upfront like:

    -Absolutely no allowances!
    -No bill paying
    -No tuition paying
    -No shopping

    If they want an escort, why dont they just get an escort? SA is a lot of effort if youre just looking for a $100 fuck!!

  20. Josh says:

    @Dollface,

    “When you keep the woman happy the man stays happy. It’s simple.”

    That’s bullshit and you know it.

    There’s no way to keep most woman happy for a long period of time. The less the self esteem the shorter that period of time is.

  21. MonaLisa says:

    Wow Im surprised that so many people are acting like $500 is low for p4p! I’d be ecstatic if someone offered that much! I am from NJ and the pot SDs around here are awful. Mostly liars/fakers/scammers. And the many man I have spoken to seem to think that $100 is ‘generous’ for p4p. Allowance is like a fantasy. Absolutely no one is willing to give them. I am not the only SB around here having this problem. Many girls are dealing with the same nonsense. We screen as much as we can and talk to them as much as we can before planning a meetup, but when the meetup happens, they completely change everything. I even met up with one guy who after asking him what his ideal arrangement would be, said, “I’m in no position to be someones sugar daddy. I can’t pay anyone elses bill besides my own. But, I can pay for gas and dinner when we meet up.” It’s insane!
    I have a SD now that I just started seeing and he has yet to do anything for me! Now, I’m back searching for someone who is sincere about being in an arrangement.

  22. @Dollface says:

    @Keke Thank you. :-)

  23. KeKe says:

    @Dollface… glad it’s all cleared up. Good luck to you and your SD!

  24. @Dollface says:

    @Josh Uh huh.. okay Josh. I guess that’s why he’s still around? As well as the first SD I had whom I’m still friends with.. because I have such a bad attitude and I’m such a terrible SB. When you keep the woman happy the man stays happy. It’s simple. I was upset and I was blowing steam. We worked it out he’s taking care of everything and now I’m happy. I express myself as I see fit just as you add your sharp and irrelevant comments. It is what it is darling. Also if someone fucks me over and I feel as I’m being taken advantage of I’m going to post batshit comments…. I was upset and people react when they’re upset… stop always trying to sound like some kind of Ghandi lol. I’m a fucking human. I come here to talk, get opinions and support not play saint ok. I’m not the perfect SB and I’m not the perfect girlfriend but I’m good enough to my man to make him want to stick around and always work things out.

    @Keke I was sick … later on I said I was up for sex… We spoke on the phone about sex when I wasn’t feeling good and apparently I misunderstood what he saying. We took care of that situation as well as all the other things that were bothering me. I’m glad we spoke and cleared things up.

    TheATLSD@ Haha I’m sorry I was getting you mixed up with someone else… whoops.

  25. Josh says:

    @Dollface

    “I give him the best sex”

    When I say women don’t give a shit about sex, we get an uproar of denial.

  26. Josh says:

    @Dollface

    “Please don’t try to tell me how to conduct my conversation.”

    I don’t “try to tell” my dear…I TELL.

    And when I TELL, I am making a point based on the data provided right here on the blog. It is not necessarily for your consumption. It is for the consumption of those who like to read what I write.

  27. KeKe says:

    @Dollface… How is there a misunderstanding? You didn’t feel good/sick and he still wanted sex even though he knew this.

  28. @Dollface says:

    @Hellen Yes I have a gift, bill paying, and vacation taking man..

    He’ll be giving me money though. He even brought up the lap top again after we made up and he told me to pick one out and he’ll get it for me. Which is good because that’s #1 at the top of the list of my needs. :-)

    I’ll save up the cash he gives me and let him take care of EVERYTHING else.

  29. IHF2030 says:

    Some of you women are downright fucking delusional!

  30. @Dollface says:

    @Keke well…. I talked to him and we worked something out so I guess that’s not necessary anymore. Plus if I do find a SD I’m not going to be sleeping with him.

    I had a SD I didn’t sleep with before and he always gave me cash. So I know they’re out there….

    Also I brought up the sex even if I’m sick and that was a huge misunderstanding. I’m still watching things right now but for the time being we settled everything and we’re on good terms.

  31. @Dollface says:

    @Josh We talked he apologized… he’s going to take care of my needs…. he said if I need money just for money ask…. but he’ll take care of my main needs.

    Please don’t try to tell me how to conduct my conversation. I have a right to be upset if I’m feeling taken for granted… things have been smoothed over and I’m not a sugar baby I’m his girlfriend actually. I treat him like gold, I give him the best sex, I’m valuable enough to him, and I’d make a great sugar baby to a sugar daddy. I have a big heart, I’m caring, nurturing and fun to be around…. I can blow off steam here if I so choose.

  32. Anonymous says:

    What a complete load of horse shit.

    A gift daddy is buying you several thousand dollars a month of stuff you want and it’s not benefiting you at all.

    But where the horseshit really gets deep is the premise that the gift daddy is the ONLY sd. We all know you’ve got 3 more allowance daddies you are running at the same time feed you cash.

  33. Josh says:

    @Dollface

    “the men are gems before sex and after they feel they can treat you anyway and not deliver.”

    You have a rich man who is a “gift” daddy. He is NOT going to give you cash. But that does not mean that he is not spending money on you. Now either work with him, or move on, as I suggested earlier.

    And try to cut down on your batshit posts. Forget about your current SD…the more you write the more you reveal that your attitude is not conducive to being a valuable SB to any SD.

  34. IHF2030 says:

    Some women behave like prostitutes then become offended when men treat them like prostitutes, amazing!

  35. KeKe says:

    @Dollface…time to start looking hun.

  36. @Dollface says:

    We just talked and he said he has no problem helping me but he wants a real relationship and doesn’t want it to feel like a sugar one….. looks like I need a sugar daddy then.

  37. @Dollface says:

    I told him I need cash and he seems completely against it. Also he said I had an attitude when I asked him to send money instead of just buying me the laptop. I texted him this “Babe can you please give me money so I can go out to a store, speak with a store rep, have all my questions answered, see it in person and buy it myself?”

    Where is the attitude in that simple request?

  38. Hellen says:

    Dollface, you sound like you have a gift daddy. Those I stay away from since it becomes all about them controlling how, when, where and what you get to spend your money and gifts on. If he was the type of gift daddy who paid your mortgage, car, school, then that is a different story, but some of these guys want to say they will “take care of you” but as time goes on, they want to take care of u less and less, then instead of having a cash allowance that you can depend on, you end up asking for things you need or want, and he can tell you “NO”, which is okay for some things, but if like to have control of my finances. Also a good sugar daddy will gift u things as well as allowance.

    There is an article that I read some time ago and think U might want to read it?

    “””What Kind Of Sugar Do You Want: Sprinkles Or The Whole Cake?””

    As we’re fond of saying: Sugar babies come in all shapes and sizes. So do sugar daddies.

    There are all sorts of sugar daddies out there. Old, young, tall, thin, generous, strict, childlike, wild, conservative – you name it, there’s a sugar daddy who fits the bill.

    But in this post, we’re going to be talking about a very specific kind of sugar daddy – one that many of you have probably encountered at least once or twice along your sugar journey.

    This is the sugar daddy who likes the idea of having a sugar baby but is a little allergic to the idea of a sugar allowance. He offers gifts, shopping sprees, spa dates, and maybe a little cash here and there but balks at the idea of a regular weekly or monthly allowance.

    Yes, we’re talking about the Gift Daddy.

    There are quite a few Gift Daddies on most of the sugar dating websites and we know a few sugar babies who have gotten involved with these sugar daddies. We’ve even met a few ourselves.

    As such, we thought it was prime time to weigh in on the topic of these mysterious Gift Daddies.

    Let’s begin, shall we?

    Deconstructing the Gift Daddy

    The Gift Daddy is one who offers to “take care of you.” To do that, he takes you shopping. He pays for spa days. He foots the bill when you get your hair done.

    But he rarely gives you cash. And a regular, ongoing allowance is something he just won’t go for.

    As such, whenever you need something – you need to ask him first. He knows every little thing you spend his money on and controls every minute aspect of your purchases. He even gets to have a say in where you spend your money and on what, since he’ll be there footing the bill.

    The Gift Daddy is one who will wine and dine you at the best restaurants – but he gets to be there. He’ll treat you to lovely spas, pedicures, massages, and hair salons – but again, you have to go through him. He’ll gift you jewelry, electronics, purses, and shoes – but again, all goods come from him and at his discretion.

    That is the essence of the Gift Daddy. Which brings us to the question…

    Is a Gift Daddy Worth Your Time?

    A lot of sugar babies get involved with Gift Daddies in the beginning stages of their search. After one or two rejections from Allowance Daddies (aka Real Sugar Daddies), the allure of gifts and little luxuries from Gift Daddies sounds quite nice.

    But in our honest opinion – Gift Daddies are a waste of your time.

    Here’s why:

    1. Fake Sugar

    Various sugar babies have various reasons for getting into the sugar game. But all sugar babies can agree on one thing – you want additional money to improve the quality of your life.

    Cash allows you to do this. With regular cash, you can pay your bills, splurge on little luxuries of your choice, and most importantly – save some money.

    Purses and pedicures come and go but smart sugar babies know that a lump sum of saved cash is the best thing they can do for themselves and their future.

    Gift Daddies simply don’t allow this to happen. They “spoil” you by buying you things – but unless those things have great resale value (i.e. Rolex watches, Hermes purses, gold bars), it’s just fake sugar. It’s not providing you with any real wealth. All you’ll have to show for your efforts in the end are some cute clothes and a nice haircut.

    And ultimately, without having acquired any real wealth for yourself, you’ll be left with…

    2. Sugar Daddy Control

    A huge reason why we’re not fans of Gift Daddies is because it really screws up the sugar relationship power dynamic.

    Think about it like this: You ask a real sugar daddy for an allowance of $4,000 a month and since you’re a smart and savvy sugar baby, you manage to save 50% of that every month. In six months’ time, you have $12,000 in your savings account – enough for you to survive for half a year without a sugar daddy if you have to. This gives you options – including the option of leaving your sugar daddy if you need to.

    A Gift Daddy, on the other hand, never gives you the means to be able to leave him. He holds all the sugar, always. He’ll give you some sprinkles on his terms, but you’ll always be left a little hungry – hungry enough to be continuously dependent on him.

    Not a smart road to go down, in our opinion, especially since…

    3. A Real Sugar Daddy is a Gift Daddy Too

    A Gift Daddy doesn’t give you allowance, only gifts.

    A real sugar daddy, on the other hand, gives you allowance and gifts. We have never come across an allowance-giving, genuine sugar daddy who didn’t occasionally take their sugar babies out for luxurious dinners, pamper them with spa dates, and shell out for shopping sprees.
    So why settle for sprinkles when you can have the whole cake with sprinkles atop?

    Ultimately, Gift Daddies are a colossal waste of your precious time and energy. The time you’re spending to meet, cajole, and please your Gift Daddy could be better spent perfecting your sugar daddy search and dating real potential sugar daddies.

    As for those of you currently dating Gift Daddies who are wondering about this question…

    Can You Transform a Gift Daddy into a Bona Fide Sugar Daddy?

    Gift Daddies, although they’re not providing real sugar, can be real sweethearts. You might’ve grown to really like yours and you don’t want to lose him completely.

    In that case, we recommend sitting down with your Gift Daddy and letting him know that while you love being pampered, you’d prefer to have the cash to take care of your affairs.

    Make sure that he knows this. You won’t be coming off greedy nor selfish – you’re simply asking for what you want, like he’s asked for what he wants. Always, always remember that the point of a mutually beneficial relationship is that it benefits both parties. If you’re not getting what you want – well, you’re not really benefiting, are you?

    Don’t be passive about your needs. You’re entitled to receive your end of the deal.

    If he doesn’t want to uphold his part of the bargain – just know that there are sugar daddies out there who will.

    For the sugar babies who’ve had a Gift Daddy or two…

    What are the pros and cons of dating such daddies?

    Are they even worth it?

    And most importantly, is it possible to turn a Gift Daddy into a bona fide sugar daddy?”””

  39. VitesseSD says:

    @Dollface

    “He also promised he would never yell at me.”

    The moment anyone regardless of gender promises that you can be 100% certain they’re a liar.

    Everyone fights, everyone yells, etc. Sure you don’t have to make a habit of it, but never, thats impossible.

  40. @Dollface says:

    @Muah and he just called me screaming and yelling at me telling me I have an attitude and he’s going to drop me like a hot potato because he doesn’t need this shit…. then he claims he asked about the lap top because he was going to surprise me and buy it and send it to me. I remained calm the whole time and told him he misunderstood me and we can talk later because he’s yelling.

    Girls don’t give up the cookie… once you do the challenge is gone. I’ve never seen that side of him before. From now on I’m not having sex. It’s a pattern…. the men are gems before sex and after they feel they can treat you anyway and not deliver.

    He also promised he would never yell at me.

  41. Muah says:

    Dollface, I am annoyed reading what you are writing – like annoyed with the situation. I can totally empathize with you. I would be EXTRA annoyed given how you two met. Guys like that are why I am so mean now hahaha

    PS: Anyone reading this blog – Louis from ND originally from CA is a complete crybaby straight up psycho. You can ask the other women if you don’t believe me lol.

  42. @Dollface says:

    @VitesseSD Exactly I’m going to ask him that! Like go on match.com then lol… I’m thinking that I’m going to make an online wishlist of everything I want have him send it to my address because I don’t like the little hand outs here and there. Which is why I just want money!!!!

    @Muah Girrrrl! I think it’s a guilt trip kind of thing…. they want to get away with giving as little as possible. Seems like a lot of men are using that excuse. No his name is not Louis but I did see a guy named Louis for a while who had the same sob story lol.

    I’m just disgusted that he’d ask me to invest myself into sex even if I’m not feeling good… ummm you should be happu I’m letting you have sex with me when I’m sick or not feeling good! Now you want more? It’s just a very selfish request. I’m starting to lose respect for him.

  43. Muah says:

    @Dollface

    Ugh he sounds like this loser I briefly dated awhile. He would take me on trips and insist on paying for everything but then would accuse me of using him for his money. He was always trying to manipulate me – I am pretty sure he literally said once “I understand babe. It scares me because other girls in the past only focused on money and I only want to be with someone who wants to be with me and not for the money. The money is just an extra benefit that’s comes with dating me.”

    Is his name Louis???? LOL omg

  44. VitesseSD says:

    @Dollface
    If he was looking for a woman who wasn’t at all interested in his money why did he get a SB?

    Ugh, what an idiot.

    Send him on shopping trips for tampons, pads, etc, maybe he’ll cave and give you a prepaid credit card or something.

  45. @Dollface says:

    He then replied “I understand babe. It scares me because other girls in the past only focused on money and I only want to be with someone who wants to be with me and not for the money. The money is just an extra benefit that’s comes with dating me.”

    Then he asked me to let him know what brand, color and features I want in the lap top so he knows what to get me.

    It bothers me that he knows I rather have cash so I can use it how and when I want, but anytime I tell him I need money for something he asks for what then he’ll just write the check or buy it for me…. I rather him give me the cash though.

    I don’t like that he wants me to have sex with him even if I’m not feeling well but he can’t take care of my need for money .. it’s selfish. Give me cash what’s the problem? It’s almost like he just wants me completely dependent on him because he’s been burned in the past.

  46. @Dollface says:

    I texted him this “My thing is I just don’t feel comfortable asking for every little thing…. like “babe can I get new hair extensions before our trip” or “babe I really need a lap top…would you take care of that for me” or “babe I really need to get some new clothes… could I have some money” I’d feel more comfortable with money so I can easily take care of the things I need to take care of…. plus as I mentioned before savings is extremely important to me. “

  47. Hototrot says:

    @KeKe
    “@Hot…Can’t you just talk to him about your concerns vs trying to find someone else? How will you feel if he decides to end things after he finds out about your SD? Or are you hoping this will spur him to take the relationship future? I hope everything works out for you.”

    We’ve already had the talk about our issues. I actually tried to end it a few months back. He’s very charming, convinced me to give it another try. I really adore him, but I don’t see the long term potential in us. Plus, I’m not entirely convinced he’s been exclusive with me.

    If he wants to end when I tell him about another guy, I’ll live with the consequences. I’m a big girl. I can’t live my life out of fear. This isn’t a desperation case. I gave my marriage the old college try and I no longer stay in things that don’t work for me anymore.

  48. Josh says:

    @Struggle

    “he hugged me and said “Thank you for coming into my grandson’s life.” I actually teared up.”

    When the patriarch approves, you know you’re doing something right, at least up until the time of the approval.

  49. KeKe says:

    @Struggle I can imagine the arguing at all family functions with our mates thinking, ” what the hell have we gotten into. Lol

    New blog open for commenting!

  50. StruggleIsReal says:

    @flyR
    Hehe :) You are too kind my dear! Thank you your sweet words. And yes “advise” was “advertise” in disguise. LoL I love the posts you make that talk about how great Sugar can be and is for many. I think it is a good thing for newbies and onlookers to see that very normal and happy, healthy relationships can be achieved here.
    Oh I wanted to tell you, I met GB’s grandfather a couple weeks ago and now have a new crush. He is the most amazing man, 87 and sharp as a nail, off to Switzerland for 13 days with his lady! Incredibly handsome and fit, and has a heart of pure gold. As we were putting them into their cab to the airport, he hugged me and said “Thank you for coming into my grandson’s life.” I actually teared up. Then he called GB’s mom and suffice it to say, he loves me. I was really excited by this because he is GB’s favorite person in the world and now I can really see why.

    @Kenna @All
    Is it now officially time for the blog to start offering baby boy name suggestions? Can we come up with our own “blog name” for the little guy, since I’m pretty sure the real name won’t be revealed here?

    @Keke
    Yeah sister! If we are one big dysfunctional family, I suppose you and I would be sisters. Would Josh be our older brother who is outwardly an a-hole but at the end of the day is a sweetheart who just wants to protect his little loved ones, albeit sometimes a little too much ?
    Haha now I am visualizing us all as an actual family sitting around a huge dinner table. Everyone with their respective personalities. Okay now I am laughing. By myself. :)

    I miss @Sexy. Where is our little blonde pistol? I miss @Chrissy too and her constant humping of things.

  51. Josh says:

    Correction:

    Most blog articles are written by women, and by men EDITED by women.

  52. KeKe says:

    @ALL…. Sorry. I feel asleep. I get up at at 5am for work.

    @Kenna. I was like Georgia. I lost weight (15, 12 pd) in the first trimester with both my kids because I was so sick. Typically you start packing on weight in the late second and third trimester. So don’t worry if you haven’t gained a lot of weight. For your size you will probably only gain 25 pds ( hopefully) but should really stay under 35. Congratulations on a boy! Woo Hoo. You won’t use all the stuff but have fun. I had so many clothes that I would literally change them twice a day. Lol.

    @Georgia…Thank you! I understand. Your focus was on the sexy German. Lol. J/k. Looking forward to pictures and meeting up with you Saturday afternoon or Sunday! I hope he father recovers quickly.

    @Struggle..I work in women’s health so use to be able to get free birth control. Years ago I gave a friend of mines some Nuvarings. Within 3 months she developed a blood clot that went to her chest. It was her first time taking birth control she didn’t realize she couldn’t. It’s contraindicated for her.

    @Josh
    @KeKe, @Struggle

    “Like two elderly sisters who can’t help arguing. Lol”

    As far as gender, each of you are 50% correct. However, as per certain female logical construct being 50% correct makes two women 100% correct collectively. So collectively you may be right.

    Lmao…@Struggle! He admitted we are right! See just one big dysfunctional family :-)

  53. Josh says:

    @Promise

    “That new blog post sounds kinda unfair to the SD.”

    Most blog articles are written by women, and by men surrounded by women. Naturally, they must be biased against men to please women. Otherwise, most women won’t consider them balanced.

    Moreover, the purpose of everything SA does is to egg women on to extract more and more free money from men.

  54. Josh says:

    @KeKe, @Struggle

    “Like two elderly sisters who can’t help arguing. Lol”

    As far as gender, each of you are 50% correct. However, as per certain female logical construct being 50% correct makes two women 100% correct collectively. So collectively you may be right.

  55. Promise says:

    That new blog post sounds kinda unfair to the SD.

  56. flyR says:

    new blog with comments locked

  57. KennaKenna says:

    Yes @Josh you were right. :-)

  58. THEATLSD says:

    NEW BLOG!!!

  59. flyR says:

    @ Struggles Rhythm method – is that Hendrix or Jefferson Airplane

  60. flyR says:

    @ Struggles @flyR
    “I can’t believe you haven’t taken me into your apparent bevy of SBs. You’ve seen my pics and don’t even want to advertise me. :( I am pond scum.”

    I was at the airport , helmet and goggles in hand ready to fly out to meet you (it took a couple days for my heart rate to get back under control after looking at your pictures and reading your email. )

    But just as I was about to fire up the engine my iPhone gave that :you have mail ; burp and there was you email that you were running off to Chicago with Prince Charming . My dreams shattered my heart broken ……. Of course I did not advertise you , I wanted you all for myself. If advertise was what speil check did with advise , you have done wonderfully all by your self .

    For the court jesters if you take a look around and the small sample represented by the blog you’ll see some outstanding women who have found awesome relationships here in the last 6 months and that does not include those who just left quietly like Midwest ( more than 6 months ago) . Notwithstanding all the spitting and nastiness great SB’s often have great outcomes. No guarantee but it happens pretty frequently for both SD and SB.

  61. flyR says:

    @ Kenna – When it comes to baby seat for the car there is only one choice Simpson . They are to folks who make most of the safety equipment for American racers and make a great baby seat.

    Bought one for the nephew and his wife crash tested it with baby onboard…….. Lexus totaled and kid wanting to do that again.

  62. Josh says:

    ‘Tis the time for a new article.

  63. Josh says:

    @Kenna, tell me who predicted the gender weeks ago?

  64. StruggleIsReal says:

    @kenna
    Nevermind! Part of your message didn’t show to me, so I now get it.
    You will be an awesome momma to ypur lil guy! I am so excited for you!!!

  65. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    Email meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the sex right this second! I won’t tell or even insinuate, ever! Okay so whatever you are comfy with. But omg. How exciting!!!

  66. Josh says:

    Congrats on having a baby boy.

  67. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @KennaKenna
    Your friend is right, but it’s still fun to look and buy and your hubby is right to research for those things. We discovered, (even “Ouch” to say this since I can’t believe MY son is this old) 28 yrs ago that safety is the key element for car seats, strollers, even high chairs. Later, what we thought were sound and safe, I had trouble even donating – since rules on the things had changed and ours didn’t comply. Oh well, son has done ok. LOL

  68. KennaKenna says:

    Btw, we found out the sex today, haha! I agreed I’d wait for it to be a surprise, but last minute when the doc asked- he said yes.

    We are getting what hubby wanted so he is already buying baby jerseys online for all his favorite teams haha.

    My new bestfriend brought over a lot of unused designer baby clothes, she keeps telling me to stop buying stuff because I won’t use half of it and hubby is the opposite researching best strollers, baby seats, etc… Very funny as I never thought he’d be this hands on or interested…

  69. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @KennaKenna
    Not to interrupt, but I will tell you I sure did and it wasn’t easy, since I had morning sickness for the entire 9 mos. LOL. I was throwing up in the labor room. LOL. But I had a healthy 8 lb 3 oz baby boy. LOL His “apgar” score was 9.5 or something.

  70. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    No I don’t think it’s contraindicated for me. Although I’m not entirely sure what that means. I have been on BC before and honestly I really don’t like it. I am considering the copper IUD. I hate hormonals. What is your personal opinion?

  71. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @KeKe
    WOW, I like your pics too. LOL
    I forgot to mention that! You are a real sweetie!
    And you make quite the couple with your Honey!
    Thanks for sharing!
    As soon as I get mine back here, I’ll share with you, LOL
    His Dad was admitted to hospital in Savannah, so he’s staying a while longer until he’s sure his Dad is ok.

  72. KennaKenna says:

    @KeKe

    Did you gain most of your weight in last trimester? Random question, I know.

  73. KeKe says:

    @Promise. Good Night.

  74. KeKe says:

    @Struggle fuck the rhythm method. Get an IUD. Is birth control contraindicated for you?

  75. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    You’re right. I should go easy on our little baby @Promise! Night night little one :)

  76. Promise says:

    @Struggle Just wanted senpai to notice me.

  77. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    I would love to think it’s that good! It’s def kegeled. Honest to goodness I make him stay hard in me for a while so I can do them on him. Gosh that sounds bad. He stays hard in me, but there are certain positions in which I can really feel the level of squeezing etc. I will also report that this is our first month of officially doing to the “rhythm method” for birth control. And it absolutely sucks!

  78. KeKe says:

    @Promise
    You aren’t really writing anything. Why do you feel the need to bid adieu for the night?

    @Struggle I was thinking the same thing but I guess it’s like being in the same house but different rooms and saying good night before bed? Lol. We’re all family here. Bickering siblings included!

    @Struggle. Tell me about the tour! We are going at the end of the month.
    Your GB sounds like mines. In NY for a day. Boston the next. Next week Texas. Then Canada This is two or three weeks out of the month I’m like how are you not exhausted!

  79. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “What drugs is he on?!”

    Your kegeled pussy?

  80. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Promise
    You aren’t really writing anything. Why do you feel the need to bid adieu for the night?

  81. StruggleIsReal says:

    My love left early yesterday day around 7am from the house and JUST NOW arrived to his destination. 9 hrs shy of being a two day ordeal, for about 8 hrs of meetings. THEN he has to come back! My babe just smiles and says he loves me. What drugs is he on?!

  82. Promise says:

    It’s getting late for me. Good night every body.

  83. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Thank luv. I am pretty sure they have seen the SEARS tower and the architecture tour / river tour is a great idea. I have wanted to do that since I have been here but would be odd to do as a resident. Plus my house is right on the architecture tour so would be fun to show to my dad and brother.

  84. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @KeKe
    Just sent you an email (foamrock50 at the yahoo place)

  85. KeKe says:

    Oops.. meant Willis Tower (formerly sears)

    Navy Pier ferris wheel

  86. KeKe says:

    @Struggle… River taxi or architectural tour is supposed to be cool. Haven’t been but plan to later this month.
    Millennium Park if you haven’t been already. Willis Tour has the glass ledge that’s cool.

  87. KeKe says:

    Kmpkmp708 at yahoo dot com.

  88. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Pops has a few business meetings here tomorrow. He’s been here plenty of times, but has never really been hosted, if you will. Any tips? He is really a fun guy, loves a good time, is probably less inclined towards humanities. He made the comment that he hasn’t had a “day off in 8 months” and that he will hang here for a few extra days. One great thing is that we live in a lovely place that will just be a nice place to chill, plus the building amenities are very nice. He’s had the cheese- casserole — whoops, pizza– hehe.
    He’s here for a few days. The weather is supposed to be decent (the last time I checked). What should I take him to do ?!

  89. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @KeKe
    Where are you staying?

  90. KeKe says:

    @Georgia… Yeah it’s this weekend! It might be hard to get away. Every fucking minutes seems to be planned. I don’t think I’ll be able to take a car from the group but if someone wants to pick me up? ? :-).

  91. THEATLSD says:

    @GApeach
    Yes she has and yes I would love to do lunch. I have been working a lot but we can work it out.
    I get with her.

    @KeKe. You can’t come to THE ATL and not visit me. It’s law in GA. All visiting SB must have a drink with me.

  92. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @KeKe
    You’re in ATL THIS weekend? Geez time went fast. For how long? Do you still want to meet somewhere?

  93. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @THEATLSD
    Hey, I thought we were going to meet sometime with LadyScarlett.
    Has she said anything to you about this? Things have been rather chaotic at my house lately and I haven’t stopped to chat with her.

  94. KeKe says:

    @ATL…sorry ( so not! Lol)
    @Struggle… Meeting dad and brother! Nice! That sounds like fun and it’s supposed to be nice. Doing anything special while they are here?

  95. StruggleIsReal says:

    @GA
    Hehe nah not lonesome. I have 200 lbs of amazing doggies to keep me company and honestly it’s just fun to be here alone. i am just having some fun catching up here, and also my dad and brother are coming to visit for the next few days (GB returns Fri. afternoon and will meet them. I’m excited! Also I am excited for them to see our place.).

  96. THEATLSD says:

    Damn all that girlfriend talk and I’m at work. Guess I’ll stay seated for a while.

  97. KeKe says:

    I love Game of Thrones!

  98. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Struggle
    Hi there!
    I added the 12 to the Peach when the chaos occurred a few days ago – the one where some SA idiot tried to change the rules to post and all was reverting to the profile name. I just went back and tried to change my profile name to Georgia Peach. Apparently there is already a plain GP… So I had to add a number or 2. The # 12 has some meaning for me, so I use when an occasion appears. LOL. Yes, it can have a lot a meanings. Thanks for asking. Sounds like you might be a bit lonesome, but trying your best to make up for it. LOL. Yes, wine is good. I’m into Moscato lately, but also like KeKe enjoy the Riesling. :)

  99. KeKe says:

    @Struggle not until the end of year :-(. He’s hoping to have his green card by then and be able to tell his company to go fuck themselves. I not sure how I feel about it. I know if it wasn’t for me he would move back no problem. He just learned they want him in a new position. Sound like a great opportunity but he says he’s not that impressed and if he took the offer he would absolutely have to move back for a while. I told him I would visit often so I think he’s more excited about it. All that being said. He’s ALWAYS out of town on business. He wants me to have a girlfriend because he probably feels bad. Lol

  100. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    We wait with bated breath for the response of @Josh.

  101. StruggleIsReal says:

    Okay, just realized that last comment about “me and my dog” could have come off really strangely. I just meant that there would be no sexual for me. Just snuggles with the doggie, maybe throw in some Game of Thrones… nothing weird like that here people. LOL

  102. KeKe says:

    @Keke
    “Like two elderly sisters who can’t help arguing. Lol”
    hahahahahaha @Josh is burning his own retinas right now. @flyR is having a chuckle.

    @Struggle Oh I know. But I’m sure Josh will come up with some fabulously smart ass comment. Hehe

  103. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Thanks for the tip dear. *Orders case of Rieseling*
    Staaaaahp! You’re keeeeelling me. Just me and my dog tonight. Oyyyyy after all this talk! When does your man leave for Germany?

  104. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    “Like two elderly sisters who can’t help arguing. Lol”
    hahahahahaha @Josh is burning his own retinas right now. @flyR is having a chuckle.

  105. KeKe says:

    Lol @Struggle… my Lover is okay with me having a girlfriend. :-)
    He also wants to see me with a girl. Curious mind I guess. Lol

    And I like Reisling.

  106. KeKe says:

    @Keke
    Me too. It’s borderline adorable at this point

    Like two elderly sisters who can’t help arguing. Lol

  107. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Oh damn gina!!!
    Ummmm what’s you’re favorite kinda wine my dear?! Because I’m about to go stock it. hehehehe Oh god. I’m bi too. Good to know for… you know, who knows. LOL

  108. KeKe says:

    @Struggle. You let me get all the way home to the south suburbs! And you do realize I’m bi, rights? We might do more than snuggle 😉

  109. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Me too. It’s borderline adorable at this point.

  110. KeKe says:

    @FLyR and @Josh interactions literally make me laugh out.

  111. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    What are you doing tonight?! Come have wines with me and snuggle!

  112. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ATL
    Yes, and she now talks that way too! hehe

  113. KeKe says:

    @Struggle I’m so impressed I fell out. Lol

    This blog cracks me.

  114. THEATLSD says:

    @Struggles
    “Josh, just leave her alone. Jesus titty fucking christ.”

    Does your mother know you talk that way. 😉

  115. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Don’t act like you’re not impressed. 😉

  116. KeKe says:

    Lmao @Struggle …. titty fucking Christ?! #DEAD

  117. Josh says:

    @Promise

    “Blog bullies shouldn’t get a pass all of the time.”

    I told you she is not going to ignore me. Fucked up thought process my dear. :)

  118. hototrot says:

    @Promise

    “@HoT “Again, why does it matter what stranger does?”
    If it doesn’t matter then just ignore him.”

    Promise, I was talking about me, not him. But you’re right I won’t entertain him any longer. However, I do believe a person should be able to talk freely without an attack on their person. I was a silent reader of this blog a long time ago and it was a lot more fun with cool characters real and imagined. Not right that varied voices are driven from the blog. Blog bullies shouldn’t get a pass all of the time.

  119. StruggleIsReal says:

    … I just love to say “titty fucking” :)

  120. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    Probably, but I haven’t seen it. It was out of the last shreds of my derelict brain.

  121. Josh says:

    @Promise

    “@HoT “Again, why does it matter what stranger does?”
    If it doesn’t matter then just ignore him.”

    She can’t and she won’t. 😉

  122. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “Jesus titty fucking christ.”

    Was that scene edited out of The Last Temptation of Christ?

  123. Promise says:

    @HoT “Again, why does it matter what stranger does?”
    If it doesn’t matter then just ignore him.

  124. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh
    *Smack you in the head emoji*

  125. Josh says:

    @Struggle

    😉

  126. hototrot says:

    Redundant. Again, why does it matter what stranger does? People should worry about themselves, whether I have fucked up thought processes or not, is not of their concern. I thought this was the sugar bowl and unconventional lifestyle. Too much conformity around here. Not sexy.

  127. StruggleIsReal says:

    Josh, just leave her alone. Jesus titty fucking christ.

  128. Josh says:

    @hototrot

    “I said I could make up any identity I wanted on this blog if I was trying to curry favor with people like you.”

    Any you think that the Guru would have believed you if you did?

    Once again, the more you write the more you reveal your fucked up thought process.

    Keep writing so that people clearly know why blog SDs treat different SBs differently.

  129. hototrot says:

    @Hototrot

    “I could lie and say I’m a 19 year old for Minnesota looking for a good time.”

    The more you write the more we learned if your fucked up thought process. Since you think that you can pass for a 19 year-old you think that you have all the time in the world to make up for the “lost time NOT playing the field.”

    Trying to twist my words, I see. Never said I could pass for a 19 year old. I said I could make up any identity I wanted on this blog if I was trying to curry favor with people like you.

    “I am just demonstrating the fucked up thought process of your type of SBs, and why blog SDs treat different SBs differently.”

    I could care less about being treated well by a person I don’t even know. @Josh talks to himself and his opinion actually matters to people? The bizarro world of the internet. LOL

  130. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ATL
    Hahahahah I was honestly confused the whole time about who the fuck she was calling “TheReal” SD. LMAO

  131. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Lainey
    I knew it was our resident biyotch! How are you ? Is the fellow overseas now?

  132. Josh says:

    @Hototrot

    “Question: why do you care?”

    I don’t give a shit what you do or don’t do with your life.

    I am the Guru and I know how to make you spill out your fucked up thought process about men and relationship with men.

    I am just demonstrating the fucked up thought process of your type of SBs, and why blog SDs treat different SBs differently.

  133. THEATLSD says:

    @ONSD … I didn’t realize you snagged her off SA. To find one that “gets it” is a real plus.
    I have to say that your double sugar dating with Sexy was funny but probably very enlightening.
    Or if I put in in 18 year SB language…”OMG like I’m so jeal jeal but really hap for U”

    @Dollface. Good luck whatever decision you make you will have plenty of time to recoup.

    Also, why are u calling me THEREALSD? I
    think I’m missing something???

  134. Josh says:

    @Hototrot

    “I could lie and say I’m a 19 year old for Minnesota looking for a good time.”

    The more you write the more we learned if your fucked up thought process. Since you think that you can pass for a 19 year-old you think that you have all the time in the world to make up for the “lost time NOT playing the field.”

  135. Promise says:

    This song is just so beautiful I really wanted to share it. [http://www.jpopsuki.tv/video/Flower—let-go-again-ft-VERBAL-%2528Full-version%2529/f284bc07e641f73e8ad51d1ca15348ef]

  136. Anonymous says:

    Didn’t even realize it was coming up Anonymous. I typically post and leave. Lol. But I’m certain everyone knows who this is.

  137. hototrot says:

    @Anonymous

    “@Josh gives great advice @HoToTrot. I do understand you two are at odds but many SBs on the blog owe him many thanks for their success.”

    Good for them. But, his “advice” to me is not advice. And I don’t recall asking him a thing. I have never had a hard time getting attention from men. I thought this was a board where people talked of their sugar exploits, the good, the bad, the ugly. He only gets my ire, because he singled me out for drama.

    Let him defend himself. He got in the ring by himself.

  138. hototrot says:

    Anonymous? Do you go by another name?

  139. Anonymous says:

    @Josh gives great advice @HoToTrot. I do understand you two are at odds but many SBs on the blog owe him many thanks for their success

  140. Anonymous says:

    Random: dumbest thing in prenup is reward for each year of marriage. Stupid stupid stupid. With incentives like this it isn’t cheaper to keep her. Running at the first sign of trouble is cheaper. Festered issues 10 yrs from now = COSTLY

  141. Hototrot says:

    What kind of person speaks of themselves in the third person? The @Guru??? Psycho.

  142. Hototrot says:

    If I didn’t say anything, no one would ever know what I’m up to. I could lie and say I’m a 19 year old for Minnesota looking for a good time. I see no value in that. Didn’t say I had all of the answers and that my life is model, but I’m not judging anyone else. But here you are, with your NO CREDENTIALS dispensing advice. Absurd. You’re probably a Hunchback having a laugh at us all for even entertaining you.

  143. Hototrot says:

    Question: why do you care? You’re the reason girls wake up 10 years later talking about, “damn I can’t believe I ever listened to THAT guy. What the fuck was I thinking?!!” Slaying dragons for basement babies everywhere. A sugar baby for every no allowance giving poseur in the America! Keep on with your bad self.

  144. Josh says:

    “As long as you’re neurotic and crazy, he’s great. But once he solves all your problems, he becomes the problem.”
    ― Candace Bushnell, Sex and the City

    Above is a great quote for you from THE book. Since he will not be able to solve any of your craziness and neuroses, he will never become “the problem.”

  145. Josh says:

    @hototrot

    “I already “settled down” for 8 years. I know that experience. I’m making up for lost time NOT playing the field.”

    The more you write the more we know how fucked up your thought process is. THIS is why the blog SDs interact with your type with the way they do.

    You are NOT a man with high libido to make up “lost time NOT playing the field”, and this is NOT Sex and the City. Grow up to your biological age and fine a “yes dear” man.

  146. Josh says:

    @hototrot

    “My IRL man is certainly not the “yes dear” type.”

    This is exactly why you are cheating on him. You need a “yes dear” type to settle down, sweetheart.

    Don’t underestimate the @Guru’s advice.

  147. Josh says:

    @HoToTrot

    Sweetheart, the Ivy-League-bound SBs are even younger than 19. Age has nothing to do with smartness. You are confusing smart with smart-ass.

    Focus on making money through your job/vocation. Stop trying to scam men by pretending to be an “SB”. You are failing, and will continue to fail miserably in sugar.

  148. hototrot says:

    I already “settled down” for 8 years. I know that experience. I’m making up for lost time NOT playing the field. As long as I find those who can play with me, I’ll do as I please. But, what would a no-life like you know. You guess and make hypothesis about other people’s lives. Your advice is best taken by people who haven’t lived long enough to spot your loser type.

  149. Josh says:

    @Struggle

    You don’t was to fancy getting into Madame @flyR’s bevy of SBs just yet. If and when you end up sabotaging your current situation, get in touch with Madame @flyR. She has a great mentorship program available.

  150. Josh says:

    @HoToTrot

    You are 20 years too late to the sugar game. Therefore, you don’t have much time to play around expecting “guy with the discerning eye” nonsense. Find a dumb provider and settle down.

  151. StruggleIsReal says:

    @flyR
    I can’t believe you haven’t taken me into your apparent bevy of SBs. You’ve seen my pics and don’t even want to advertise me. :( I am pond scum.

  152. KeKe says:

    Oops further not future. Lol

  153. Josh says:

    @flyR

    Madame, mommy’s basement, not being able to get a girl, etc., are feminists’ default shaming phrases. If you feel Good using them then knock yourself out. They don’t bother me a bit. Ok sweetie?

  154. KeKe says:

    @Hot…Can’t you just talk to him about your concerns vs trying to find someone else? How will you feel if he decides to end things after he finds out about your SD? Or are you hoping this will spur him to take the relationship future? I hope everything works out for you.

  155. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @flyR – I’ve purchased Montrail, Saucony, Merrell and other “high end” brands for outdoor and exercise shoes…THOSE are usually the ones that give the worst blisters…

  156. flyR says:

    Joshie,

    Your mommy needs to get you out of the basement and exposed to sunshine and fresh air. It will do you good and perhaps allow your to see a little humor. I realize that you are not buying bunion cream for your feet . Warmest personal regards flyR

  157. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “But slipping into Payless shoes may leave you with bunions, blisters , callouses and drooping arches”

    Sweetheart, I am sure it works well as part of the marketing for the girls working under you.

  158. flyR says:

    Re Shoes

    But slipping into Payless shoes may leave you with bunions, blisters , callouses and drooping arches

  159. hototrot says:

    @Struggle
    “Does your IRL guy understand that you are seeing others? I’m not judging, just curious.”

    He doesn’t know that I’m looking. I guess I’m trying to protect my heart by not becoming too overly invested in our relationship. It’s good, but there are some missing elements that have nothing to do with money. He’s good about money. I’m not really trying to increase my take or anything. I will probably tell him if I actually do find someone else and sex happens.

  160. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    Perfect! I definitely can’t wait to hang out!

    @Hot
    Does your IRL guy understand that you are seeing others? I’m not judging, just curious.

  161. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle – unfortunately, Student is not local until tomorrow afternoon…this is the three weeks where I barely get to see her between her classes…I’m hoping to get that way in the near future with her though…I have an industry event I’m debating attending (and making sure wifey can’t attend) so we can get away. When it happens, you and @Sexy will be the first to know!

  162. rembodler says:

    @Hot –
    “…Well you can get 100 pairs of Payless shoes for the price of on Louboutin. For the Payless Daddy that’s a deal. No problem, whatever works. I’m just saying don’t expect Louboutin at Payless prices…”

    Well, if you put it like this, darling…Of course, a woman compares everything to shoes…;-)).
    But let’s say we will talk cars. And I respect you, Hot – so let’s even say you are a Ferrari of women…;-). Should everyone kill himself to drive a Ferrari – how many Ferraris you see on the street?
    All I am saying, there are plenty of new nice swanky cars out there- not Payless shoes… They drive well, they get you places – as well, or maybe better, as Ferrari will. You got my drift?

  163. hototrot says:

    My IRL man is certainly not the “yes dear” type. Yes, I want two men. I never juggled men in my life, except for one affair while married, and I don’t really count that. I’m not wedded to my current and he hasn’t committed, so I don’t feel guilty about it. Perhaps subconsciously I’m looking for something a little deeper in the sugar bowl of all places. A husband? LOL You never know. I might not be the ideal SB, but I don’t need 500 men checking for me, just one.

  164. StruggleIsReal says:

    @flyR
    LoL! I don’t know what but that really made me chuckle.

    @ONSD
    Let’s get together tonight! Hehe I know that’s last minute, just kidding, well kinda. I might hit up @Sexy and see if she wants to hang. GB is out of town so could be a fun girls’ night. If by some freak chance you and Student are around let’s chill!

    @ATL
    Thank you dear! I need to email you for a catch up!

    @GeorgiaPeach
    I see you’re adding “12” after your name now. Is that a statement because you’re a 12 on a scale from 1 to 10, or was that a typo? 😉 I naturally assume the former. hehe

    @Hot
    A man stepping up to take care of a woman with money is simply another way to gain the lead in the mate race. There are various ways to play the game on both ends and everyone responds in their own ways to different things. I too find it attractive when a man assumes the role of provider and protector, but of course that should be appreciated and respected by the right woman.

  165. Promise says:

    I think the blog goddess only listens to Josh.

  166. KeKe says:

    @Josh…a dumb provider sounds heavenly…I don’t think my Lover is one though. How can I figure out this, my wise blog SD’s?

  167. KennaKenna says:

    @Struggle

    “Also, was that “so unless I leave before Labor Day” an unintended pun?”

    Hahahaha. I only just realized that.

  168. Josh says:

    Don’t over-think it. You will blow it up.

    If he takes care of your financial needs, puts up with your bullshit with at least 10 “yes dear” a day, and sticks around, he is dumb provider man.

    Your job is to ensure that you don’t crawl under his skin and make it too uncomfortable for him to stick around.

  169. hototrot says:

    @flyR

    It was a joke referencing an earlier conversation with BasementGuru. But, I think this guy understands sugar. We talked on the phone for about 30 minutes. I liked him, which is always a good start. He’s going through a divorce after 30 years of marriage, so he seems a little edgy about some things. But, that’s OK.

  170. flyR says:

    HELP BLOG GODDESS WE’LL BE 1,000 POSTS BY SUNDOWN CAN WE START A NEW ONE.

  171. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @HoT – @flyR has a point…although I suspect you intended sarcasm directed to @Josh 😉

  172. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @flyR – @Sexy has expressed her approval to me…but I don’t want to speak for her…we both shared some of our lunch experience when we “double dated” Student, me, Sexy and Drummer…and Student liked knowing the other “couple” was in a similar situation…we can’t wait to visit @Struggle and @Sexy in Chicago for a group outing!

  173. flyR says:

    @ HOT – Last minute before first meet is not the time to have him confirm he understands sugar .

  174. hototrot says:

    Well got a date tomorrow. He asked if I had any questions to ask before our date. Couldn’t think of any off the top of my head. Shit!! Should’ve asked the golden question: “Are you a dumb provider man?”

  175. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @flyR – GREAT point about profile pics…one of the pieces of advice I give SBs for profiles is to make the pics augment the text of the profile…and make the text of the profile paint a picture in the SDs mind. Men are visual, every word should paint a picture so the SD sees her, them together…

    If you say “nothing intimate” but have lingerie pics or cleavage pics, you’re sending the wrong message…
    Oh, and there shouldn’t be ANYONE ELSE in your pics!

  176. flyR says:

    “@Sexy has met her…”

    does sexy approve

  177. flyR says:

    @ Struggles
    “@flyR
    Why did you direct that last comment to @Beth? Did I miss something?”

    Comment was a separate comment not directed at her at all Should have inserted a few more spaces. It was a general comment to the universe about the message of “I know my worth” . Reminds me of some the rug merchants in Turkey…….

    Also totally unrelated – regarding SB photos It gets a bit confusing when there are four photos and 5 hair colors each in radically different styles. OK to show some varied looks but totally different hair is confusing . What is the real you.

    The only purposes of clothing in SB photos is a) to demonstrate that you can dress reasonably conventionally and b) to make it easy to visualize what you will look like NAKED, without running afoul of the SA censors and to keep it a little classy. 90% of the time the sd is looking at your photo he is doing the equivalent of when you play with a wrapped gift trying to determine what’s inside.

    Women come with the change gene. They marry or hook up with guys for with the assumption they can change them . The only times you ever hear a guy say I need to rearrange the furniture are a) the tv is too large to carry to the bedroom so we’ll need to put the bed in the living room for the weekend so we can enjoy sex and the game or b) wifey just left with half the furniture .

  178. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    “@Josh…what’s a dumb provider man? I might need to get one.”

    Dumb provider is man who says “yes dear” a lot. 😉

  179. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ATL – no, met with her and talked a bit, but nothing romantic ever happened…parted on good terms with her and will still get an occasional email…cordial…

    Student is from SA…one of three profiles that brought me back to paying here…her profile was the straw that broke the camels back to rejoin, and the only one of the three that mattered…she breaks the mold of the younger generation in Sugar…is disgusted by the tumblr crowd…can’t imagine NOT working for her bills…just wants some college and life mentoring, spending money she can find as a surprise and gifts (she has some wish lists she has shared, I either buy from it to give to her when we’re together, or send her a gift card with instructions on what I was thinking)…oh, and adventurous and submissive to boot 😉

    @Sexy has met her…

  180. gentleman soul says:

    Promise
    Whew finally caught up. Me too !!

    @ PI Wolf

    I would be willing to spend $4k-$8k per month on them, to be my full time lovers.
    PI ,there is an endless procession of SBs for you to work your way through at those reimbursement numbers. Heck ,I would blow you twice/week for $8K and not whine.

    @LadyScarlett
    RE: SD blog..I think most who post there are hobbyists, so those in hobby land are definitely looking for the most ‘bang’ for their buck

    It appears that many posting on that site have hobbied in the past and converted to Sugaring. From that viewpoint we have learned that women are willing to sell their company for what they consider their worth is. The only questions to debate are 1)how much ? and 2) how often ?

  181. KeKe says:

    @Josh…what’s a dumb provider man? I might need to get one. :-)

  182. hototrot says:

    @Josh
    Be a strong independent man, move out of mom’s basement, and stop being a coward with a computer. Best of luck achieving those goals.

  183. Josh says:

    @hototrot

    My apapologies. I have no interest in your respect. You’re way past the wall dear.

    Either be a strong, independent woman without any need of a man whatsoever or find a dumb provider man and settle down.

    Best of luck.

  184. rembodler says:

    @Josh
    Yep, did not notice a typo… Thanks!
    I am assuming that you meant to write: “I suspect if I were to dig into a 30- range it would only get WORSE”?

  185. @Dollface says:

    @TheReal Haha well I see. I’m only saying what he said. He wants to talk about it now so wish me luck everyone.

  186. THEATLSD says:

    @Dollface. If I had a dime for every 18-22 year old that told me they were mature for their age, I would be a millionaire with about 30 dimes!!
    If you are seeing serious red flags then end it but you may want to wait about a week before you do that. You just might do something you regret. As a SD if a SB dumps on me and then tries to come back. Later gater, homey don’t play that game. Good luck with whatever you decide you are young and have a whole life a head of you. (that’s my cliché of the day)

    @Struggles, Hiya Sunshine. Glad to hear ORD is treating you well!!!! (fistbump)

    @ONSD Is your current SB the first one you gave the business card and gift card too? Sorry if you posted if before, I may have missed it.

  187. hototrot says:

    You are nothing special either Josh. That’s why you are on the blog trying to break women down about their opinions. If you were special you’d reveal your identity and then people could ascertain who YOU are. Easy to be bold behind a veil. I’d have more respect for your opinon if you didn’t hide behind the lovely Brad Pitt.

  188. Josh says:

    @Dollface

    “@Struggle Thank you. I actually did bring up finances and he seems totally fine with it… so we’ll see. I didn’t tell him the amount yet though. So far I’m getting a positive and welcoming response.”

    Based on what you have written so far, you have a decent man. Don’t fuck with him too much. Either work with him on his schedule or get out.

  189. Josh says:

    @hototrot

    “But the guy with the discerning eye will notice.”

    Do you know why I ask for SBs profile # when they write nonsense on the blog? To see if the writer can walk her talk. You are nothing especial dear. The best advice for you is to try to fine a dumb provider man and settle down.

  190. hototrot says:

    And it just feels good to take care of someone who wants to take care of me. This is just an emotional standpoint- not money or politics. Some guys don’t care and I try not to fool with those guys.

  191. @Dollface says:

    @Struggle Thank you. I actually did bring up finances and he seems totally fine with it… so we’ll see. I didn’t tell him the amount yet though. So far I’m getting a positive and welcoming response. :-)

  192. Josh says:

    @rembodler

    “Thank you, Struggle.
    Well, truth be told, I suspect a lot of entited SBs are not really SBs. I am only aware of the 20-range and I suspect if I were to dig into a 30- range it would only get worth. What I think it is – ppl who used to be in retail business for their hours treat SA as wholesale, but they still want the retail prices. Some of these “professional SBs” see SA as a threat (Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid) where young hot women will think “FUN” what professional SB views as her rightfull entitled feeder. Hence all these sticker wars, that of course, of course found its way into SA profiles and this blog.”

    I am assuming that you meant to write: “I suspect if I were to dig into a 30- range it would only get WORSE”?

    “Some of these “professional SBs” see SA as a threat (Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid) where young hot women will think “FUN” what professional SB views as her rightfull entitled feeder. Hence all these sticker wars, that of course, of course found its way into SA profiles and this blog.”

    Above is brilliant assessment of the tug of war on this blog. The escorts and rinsers want to keep control of the narrative. @flyR is most likely a madamme–with pros on payroll–writing as a man.

  193. hototrot says:

    Well you can get 100 pairs of Payless shoes for the price of on Louboutin. For the Payless Daddy that’s a deal. No problem, whatever works. I’m just saying don’t expect Louboutin at Payless prices. Some ladies go through the motions and guys don’t notice as long as she provides basic services. But the guy with the discerning eye will notice.

  194. Josh says:

    @rem,

    Most of these women are worthless on SA or off SA. That’s why they insist on monthly allowances because they know that they will be nexted after the first meeting for their lack of worth. But since we are dealing with women, the blame will go to the man that HE was unable to get worth out of her.

  195. Anonymous says:

    Love that analogy @Rembodler

  196. Anonymous says:

    True @Josh but you can’t change a zebra’s stripes. Whether it’s months or years from now they WILL FAIL or do what a lot of women who are natural sabotagers do and live out the rest of their lives in a miserable relationship because they are afraid for people to know they failed. Misery to them comes in the form of bottled up sabotage emotions.

  197. rembodler says:

    @Hot
    I hear you, but. What you are saying you will make my espresso with extra love and ask a $100 for that precious cup. If a man never had espresso before, he will hand you your 100 and will thank you. Once he figures out that he can have 20 cups @ Starbucks, ok maybe not made with as much love as yours was, after all it is a chain…still, 20 cups… And he can also try mocca and frappuccino… Your offer does not seem that appealing, wouldn’t you say?

  198. hototrot says:

    I don’t know about anybody else, but when a man spends money on me, I know he’s for real. Despite many guys not wanting to be valued for their money only, I know money means a lot to them. If he spends on me, I take it that I’m valuable to him. For me, it’s not about trying to get over on anybody. I’m not a money motivated gal, but I do like to be cherished. And when I see that a man is willing to part with what he holds dear, it opens my heart and makes me much more giving an loving. I will prioritize him above all else. Forget girlfriends or anybody else who might take up my time.

    I don’t think some SD’s realize this. They might be getting a bargain with some girls, thinking they’re winning. But they are also being demoted in ways that aren’t apparent. Discounts come with defects.

  199. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Struggle
    You are right… it is a hoot! LOL [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVRzk3VWOKY] I like Toby Keith anyway and this song is great. I love his play on the “Risky Business” scene. :)

  200. BethSB says:

    @struggle yes it does. It makes for adventure. I don’t think that was for me hun. Hahahahaha he should’ve @All to avoid assumptions.

    @FlyR -thanks

  201. rembodler says:

    Thank you, Struggle.
    Well, truth be told, I suspect a lot of entited SBs are not really SBs. I am only aware of the 20-range and I suspect if I were to dig into a 30- range it would only get worth. What I think it is – ppl who used to be in retail business for their hours treat SA as wholesale, but they still want the retail prices. Some of these “professional SBs” see SA as a threat (Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid) where young hot women will think “FUN” what professional SB views as her rightfull entitled feeder. Hence all these sticker wars, that of course, of course found its way into SA profiles and this blog.

  202. StruggleIsReal says:

    @flyR
    Why did you direct that last comment to @Beth? Did I miss something?

  203. StruggleIsReal says:

    It must be said that the best song about Sugar is
    Toby Keith’s “Who’s Your Daddy?”!!
    Hehe I love it!

    My GB and I are always singing it jokingly to each other. It’s a hoot, especially because he’s not the stereotypical SD at all. But we like that dynamic and have fun with it :) Google the video and watch it. So perfect. hehe

  204. flyR says:

    @Beth – great news

    “I know my worth” This is one of the most helpful comments which an SB can put in her profile. It shows that she’s focused on the value of sex in the free market, not her value to you the potential SD.

    If you are looking at SA as an alternative to back page or any one of 10,000 hooker sites you contact her, OK what’s your price? yes or no……. No time wasted on trivial conversation etc.

    There are many other ways to express the proposition that you have financial objectives which you are not going to compromise , in a way which markets your benefits.

    When you go to the post office you buy stamps ( or print your own ) . Very few people pay an extra 50% because the post office is loosing so much money .

    With the exception of student loans I think asking for an allowance based on your master card debt is bad marketing. It infers irresponsible financial management which normally comes with DRAMA and I am not interested in paying for the gifts you got for your looser boyfriend . Better to discuss things going forward which leave you with the cash to payoff the debts. Just my opinion.

  205. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Beth
    That will make @Josh proud! hehe
    Like and Lust are two of life’s best pleasures!! Good for you girl!

  206. BethSB says:

    @Struggle lol thanks love. But it’s like and lust as of now. Hahahaha

  207. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Dollface
    Sweetheart, I think that your widely varied posts about him/your situation are a reflection of you and what is going on in your own life, as you have admitted that you have a lot going on in your personal life. There is nothing wrong with that, and perhaps it would be best for you to take a step back and reassess things. Get through your hormonal moment, really take a look at everything that is going on, and be honest with yourself. Sugar can be a damaging arena for someone who is in emotional upheaval already.

    My final advice would be that if you do end things with him, don’t do it emotionally or in a negative way. You never know if/when you may want to rekindle things. Maybe things in your personal life will simmer down eventually and a very generous boyfriend will sound much more appealing to you.

    I really hope that whatever you are going through smooths out eventually. At your age, lots of transitions tend to take place, and transitions are notoriously difficult. Even GOOD transitions. Keep your chin up dear!

  208. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    Hello and thank you lovely! All is fantastic! Especially now that it is FINALLY warming up here. Sheesh! Longest winter ever. LoL (I’m a winter wimp!)

    GB is away with work for a few days so I’m here for the first time by myself since I moved here. It’s kind of fun :)

    Oh boy, where to have the baby. Yeah, these decisions would require lots of research and consideration and agreeing upon by the both of you. That’s something you both want to feel very comfortable and confident about.

    You’re such a cool pregnant chick to be planning birth and all around hubby’s Patriots games. hehe I honestly think that’s awesome. Keeps life fun and I think it’s fair (and smart) of you. I guess some women would prefer to be more stable and sedentary, but if I have kids, they will be little gypsies like me! hehe

    Also, was that “so unless I leave before Labor Day” an unintended pun? :)

    @ATL
    Hiiiiiii darling!!!

    @Josh @ATL @ONSD
    Yes I have read those blogs as well! I think it’s really smart for SBs to read them to get an idea from the SD’s perspective! Good stuff.

    @Keke
    “@Josh…is this your blog?! It’s very good! Great information!”

    Hehe I was wondering who would be the first to ask that question.

    Also, laughing my ass off over yours and @flyR’s responses to @Dollface. “Gone head and blame the hormones girl” hahaha PREACH!

    @LadyS
    Hi sweets!!

    @Anonymous
    “All this sabotage talk is ridiculous. Women who need to be reminded NOT to sabotage will ALWAYS fail in the end.”
    Hi @Lainey 😉

    @Beth
    Awesome!! Congrats!! Love to hear happy people in like/love/lust! :)

    @Rembodler
    Is your gravatar you vigorously shaking your head “NOOOO” at all the entitled SBs? hehe
    Your blurry head looks handsome, by the way.

  209. Promise says:

    Whew finally caught up.

  210. @Dollface says:

    @Keke Yeah you’re right. He isn’t a fiend but there are some red flags I did ignore. Now there are more. I should just walk away now.

  211. @Dollface says:

    @TherealSD I wouldn’t consider myself immature. The thing he liked about me was that I’m mature despite my age. I’m just at a difficult spot and I have a hard time communicating. I’m extremely confused and I’m going through a lot in my personal life. I don’t like confrontation I’m going to just leave this situation. It’s the best thing to do.

  212. rembodler says:

    @Josh
    Yep, that is the type. On SA for months, always logged in.
    Well, I do not mind them, they are just not there as far as I am concerned. I suspect even if one of them yields, that will not be fun for an arrangement. One night stand, maybe – just get a princess in bed. But I am kinda honest that way, I do not tell them “arrangement” and do a one night stand. This is not cool and once you get older, you have to be cool.

  213. BethSB says:

    It’s been a while since I’ve said anything on a blog, hope everyone is great.
    My job has landed me a great guy, it’s more than an SB/SD arrangement. We’re heading to Panama for a few days before we take the cruise ship leaving from there.
    He’s gorgeous and of course older. I’m so excited about the trip!!!!!!

  214. THEATLSD says:

    @Dollface says:
    “I’ll wait for my period to pass lol and I’ll think about things from both sides more thoroughly. I’m all over the place right now. I need to be able to actually hear my intuition speaking to me not my hormones”

    You could have saved us ALL a lot of time if you started your little rant with that. KeKE is dead on and said what I was thinking. Your 19 year oldness (as in immature) is showing. Which is why I rarely engage with anyone younger then 23 when looking for a SB.

    Where you the SB that lives in the state next to mine? Where quality SD are few and far between????

  215. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Anonymous – @Josh is right…this blog helps SBs realize the sabotage and postpone the sabotage for the longest honeymoon period possible…some extend it into IRL like @Struggle and marriage like @Kenna, but some just enjoy a longer period of Sugar with their SD like @SexyRockstar…

    I, for one, like anything a SB can read that will keep her from sabotage for as long as possible…that’s what makes Sugar fun!

  216. Josh says:

    @rem

    How do these “know my worth” idiots figure out their worth until they go around the proverbial block a few times?

    Me thinks that if they’re really worth what they fancy then they would be snapped up in a jiffy and wouldn’t be active anymore.

    The reality is otherwise. Many of them are logged in day and night telling SDs “I know my worth”.

  217. Josh says:

    @Anonymous

    “XAll this sabotage talk is ridiculous. Women who need to be reminded NOT to sabotage will ALWAYS fail in the end.”

    Women who are not reminded of sabotage will fail much sooner.

  218. KeKe says:

    @FlyR…he was probably taking her to strip club for her enjoyment also. But like you, I would be hesitant to about a stripper as a 3rd in the bedroom… Which we now know he could care less about.

  219. flyR says:

    KeKe …………. it was of course intended for a wider audience.

    I have to confess I missed the 19 and bisexual but still have reservations about the stripper . Perhaps too many nights in biker bars.

  220. KeKe says:

    @FLYR… I’m upset you wasted all your advice on her…smh

  221. KeKe says:

    @Dollface…girl I could throttle you! Am I the only one who thinks this damn girl is all over the place. You painted him as this selfish self centered sex fiend pushing you into a threesome who wanted to play Barbie with you. Now he’s the best sex you’ve ever had ( at 19 how much have you had?..no judgment just wondering ) And you neglected to mention that you were bisexual (ding ding ding)! That’s important shit! Ugh! I just can’t… Gone head blame it the hormones because that shit right there… crazy how much you flipped. Where the fuck is Lainey when you need her!

  222. rembodler says:

    @Lady…
    No one argues the importance of the “money=honey”. I think the contentious point is whether a man equals his money (as Uncommon wants you to believe) or first you define a man and only then look at his money.
    I just hate the newbie SB getting an idea that a man who pays 200/300/400 is a John and be blind to everything else she is getting in her arrangement. It is the person, not the dollar amount, that really matters. That is, unless you are Uncommon, of course.
    SA is not all that different from real dating. I would say go with the flow, listen less to former/current professionals, there are plenty of interesting men on SA who are worth playing with and have a good time.
    Or, as in real life, you can “know your worth”, hang in there and wait for Mr. Right to arrive. Or not.

  223. flyR says:

    @dollface Struggle offered some priceless thoughts and a pretty good assessment of what I think you are facing . However, let’s leave that behind and talk about you.

    My take is that you have serious financial needs ( or believe you do) but don’t have an agreement with the SD which moves you towards resolution. That said, I am stunned to hear you say you are considering at trip with him despite all of the red flags and the incongruence between your needs and what he is providing. Sugar comes in a lot of flavors from mild to wild It is not likely that unless the SD has a huge affinity for you that he will give up the strippers. It sounds like you are the bargain alternative or supplement, available for an all weekend bangfest for the cost of an hour or two of stripper time. I am not saying this to attack you but rather as a suggestion that you seriously evaluate your position.

    I am involved in sugar because I want these things ( fill in the list) and this is the priority ( arrange the list)

    The components of sugar relationships which I find rewarding

    The components of sugar relationships which do not appeal to me

    SA as we speak it here has one meaning , in other worlds, especially flying it has a very different meaning and pronounced essay meaning situational awareness . Far too often the last words on the tape before the crash are the copilot asking Skipper, do you really think this is a good idea?

    In sugar you have to ask yourself the tough questions whenever the situation changes. You went into an arrangement thinking you would be treated like a girlfriend, would receive monetary benefits in addition to travel, dinners etc. There are a lot of women who are thrilled to go to nice resorts , drink great wine , eat great food , do expensive things and even contribute some of their own cash to the fun. A few trips to the strip club and some take-home strippers just add to the merriment. They are in an arrangement of sorts where they get to live far beyond their means and the adventure is all they are looking for .

    From what you say it sounds like you re more in need of a) allowance that you can count on b) a more conventional sexual relationship c) some emotional nurturing .

    Yes I’m going pretty far out on a limb here and perhaps too far. Going somewhere with someone whom you are uncomfortable with who is not going to meet your expectations and expects you to engage in activities that are not appealing is not a step forward.

    You’re all spooled up to confront him , tell him all the issues you have , save your breath. The number of men here who are looking to pay for a confrontational arrangement is pretty minuscule and you probably need to be conversant with whips, chains , raincoats and more . For the other 95% if they wanted to be in a confrontational arrangement the would have either stayed home or stayed with their last IRL girlfriend .

    When a woman says ” I have been thinking ” noting good follows for the man. Usually it means that she’s gotten spooled up , perhaps by her girlfriends , and is ready to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory .

    If you want to try to save the relationship why not focus on what you want . If the relationship is out of balance you are not going to beat it back into balance. You can however potentially motivate the partner to reach a satisfactory position .

    How about

    Hi (we’ll call him George) it’s nice to hear your voice. You sound like you have been working hard. Yes I really enjoyed out time last weekend. But I am troubled, when we first talked I you asked what brought me to sa and I answered that I came to SA for a couple of reasons I wanted to lighten my financial burden of going to school and working so that I could study more and take an additional class, I wanted a mentor and someone I could be very comfortable with, while I love the things we do it’s not accomplishing my goal.

    I hope you understand I am not asking for both the financial support and the very expensive weekend trips. I would be happey if we were just going out to fun places or snuggling back at your place. I’ll understand if this is not something that’s comfortable with you. If that’s the case it is important to me that we part friends. (translated – you’ll never get another one of those OMG blowjobs that causes your Apple watch to beep and blink)

    I am not asking for a response right because you probably feel ambushed now and you probably want to thing about it . If we are together I want it to be free of tension and meeting both our needs and expectations. (if you have planned this in advance there is a bit of your perfume on the underside of his pillow to torment him in the night)

    Regardless of what you say the important thing is that you prioritize and solve your own anger problem.

    lights out

  224. Anonymous says:

    All this sabotage talk is ridiculous. Women who need to be reminded NOT to sabotage will ALWAYS fail in the end.

  225. @Dollface says:

    @Peep Thanks for your insight! As for the material things you’re right but I feel that’s what he thinks I want right now. I’m 19 and not yet in college so he doesn’t have school bills to worry about.

    I brought up the three some idea to him and told him I’d feel more comfortable finding a girl on the site and he told me we didn’t have to do it at all if I’m not comfortable. He said he’s had three somes before and he knows I’m bisexual so he suggested it for me. He told me tonight on the phone that if it’s not for me and if I’d be doing it for him he doesn’t want to do it. He said he only wants to do it if that’s something I want. He made it very clear he’s perfectly fine without a threesome. He said it’s sweet I wanted to make him happy but he only wants to do sexual things together that we both mutually want and are ready for and 100% comfortable with.

    Tonight he asked me in a soft tone after I got some things off my chest that were bothering me… he asked me if I’m still into him like I used to be because I changed and seemed distant. Also when I was with him I left him in the living room to go into the bedroom and lay down. I came down like two hours later and asked him why he never came up and he said it’s because he didn’t think I wanted to be around him. I felt terrible. He looked so dejected and I told him to come upstairs and cuddle with me and watch a movie and his face lit up. Then we layed in bed while I played in his hair and he kissed my cheeks and my hand that he was holding.

    And about the boob job… I actually told him I wanted bigger boobs. He says my boobs are perfect the way they are but if that would make me happy then he’d do that for me.

    I feel like if he was trying to run through me he’d be gone by now…. we already had tons of amazing sex.. we both feel it’s the best sex we ever had. I don’t feel like he’d introduce me to friends, or try to get me to meet his family. Friends he could be trying to show off yes but with family I think that’s a bit more legit.

    I also brought up the texting incident and we got that smoothed out.

    We’ll see how the rest of this story unfolds for the future. I’ll just continue to ask for more money when I need it until I feel it’s the appropriate time to even bring up an allowance. It’s not the right timing.

    I’ll wait for my period to pass lol and I’ll think about things from both sides more thoroughly. I’m all over the place right now. I need to be able to actually hear my intuition speaking to me not my hormones.

  226. UncommonSB says:

    @ATL “He is a realist and trying to get that across to both sides.”

    Exactly. I think he has a humorous, intelligent and fair perspective for both sides to read. It’s clear that as a married man who has been with many SBs over the years, (often multiple SBs at the same time) that it was all a fun and interesting diversion from his ‘real’ life, until he was over it. And he’s fine with acknowledging that it wouldn’t have happened without lots of gifts and money along the way.

  227. LadyScarlett says:

    Ah, I see….well, agree that is the gist of things, especially with the married ones, yes…I really think there are exceptions, though, with the single men. Always open to love, no matter where it is, even in a crazy arrangement. Struggles and someone else I know found a more serious connection by starting out in an arrangement. But, as a general rule, in arrangements, yes, ‘if you’ve got no more money honey, then I’ve no more time’, hehe (:

  228. peeps says:

    @dollface

    Just one last bit of advice: consider how much control you are willing to give up. It sounds like this guy is withholding $ bcs he wants to keep you in line and keeps promising material goods instead. We all know CASH buys freedom, not “things”, so what he is really withholding is freedom in some way. So beware that if you stay with him, the stripper threesome request will only be the beginning. You’re being groomed to be a sex toy (boob job, “sexy clothes”, waxing being the only things he pays for…), which is fine, but consider the price you’re paying for this. This guy doesn’t sound very classy tbh, be careful that you don’t become a bimbo Courtney Stodden type, or you’ll be typecast for life.

    There are some great SDs out there who take on more of a mentorship role and help you through college and/or grad school (as opposed to say, a boob job…). think long-term… looks don’t last. Sex toys are disposable and replaceable, brains aren’t…

  229. VZP says:

    Lots of good stuff here today! Thanks for sharing everyone!

  230. VZP says:

    SDGuru blog is great he should come back. Why is the blog so outdated though? Did he check out on that too?

  231. THEATLSD says:

    @Uncommon
    I do agree with that. It has been said on here many times also, maybe in a little bit different way. He does say that a few other times in posts. He is a realist and trying to get that across to both sides.

  232. UncommonSB says:

    @Lady “And, liked the willie Nelson quote, Uncommon”

    I can’t take credit for the song quote, it was all part of the same post from that SD’s blog. It was on point to see an SD express that 1) SBs, especially when dating married men, shouldn’t ever be expecting an SD to actually fall in love with her vs wanting something casual and transient, and 2) SDs shouldn’t be fooling themselves into thinking SBs, babes as he put it, would date them if there wasn’t sugar involved.

  233. LadyScarlett says:

    Wait, don’t think willie nelson is from Georgia, but he wrote a song about it.

  234. LadyScarlett says:

    Haha, keke, if you are still visiting Georgia you should go to Stone Mountain and the redneck laser show…hehe, they always play some willie nelson songs..it is kind of fun, though (: Usually go once a year…the largest exposed granite rock in the whole U S of A…(even world, I think).

  235. LadyScarlett says:

    Isn’t that the truth, keke…

    And, AtlantaSD, hello! And, liked the willie Nelson quote, Uncommon (:

    What? Someone doesn’t think Willie Nelson is classy enough? I think Willie Nelson is cool fellow(‘Always on my Mind’…he is cool guy). Okay, but am a little southern, and he is from Georgia..so biased a bit, hehe.

  236. KeKe says:

    Blog moderator? That sounds useful!

  237. KeKe says:

    @Josh… it’s really good AND funny!

    @Kenna… sounds like a lot! At least you’ll be in California with your baby during the winter months. That’s nice.

  238. LadyScarlett says:

    @keke, am sure I will be corrected if I am mistaken…but, there used to be a blog moderator here called SDGuru and he have wonderful advice and wrote articles sometimes that he would refer to. Miss his input.

  239. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    “@Josh…is this your blog?! It’s very good! Great information!”

    No dear. That blog belongs to uber guru who used to be the admin of SA blog for a long time, and posted under the SD Guru moniker.

  240. UncommonSB says:

    @ATL I thought that post was a great reality check for both sides of the equation. There are always exceptions, but for the most part, both SDs and SBs go into it expecting casualness and generosity. It is what it is, and to feel jilted because it is not based on love, but rather ‘what do we provide for each other’ seems unrealistic.

  241. KennaKenna says:

    @Keke I’ll be in Hamptons all summer, so unless I leave before Labor Day- we think it’ll be too hard/risky to fly back to Cali. Also, hubby wants to go to ALL Patriots games this season lol- so if I go into Labor on a Sunday- it’s only a short flight to NY from Boston as opposed to flying to Cali…

    But all of that will mean that baby’s first 3-4 months will be in NYC- and NYC house isn’t furnished or anything so would have to do all that. Plus if have to have a nursery on Cali as well for when I fly back- it’s a lot! -_-

  242. KeKe says:

    @Josh…is this your blog?! It’s very good! Great information!

  243. THEATLSD says:

    @ONSD Hopefully I will be around a little more now. There is tons of crap blogs/pages out there.
    More sugar babies blogs to fill their already delusional minds.

    @Josh I’ll check that when I get home. My work server blocks it. But it doesn’t block SA. Go Figure.

    @Uncommon.. I read that part. Thought maybe one of his SB wrote that. :)

  244. rembodler says:

    @Umcommon
    Hahaha…Uncommon. So predictable.
    I am gonna rename you Old Faithful, I think.
    Live a little, Uncommon, play your piano, think beyond a few dollars you can extract from men. Maybe there is still a bit of a soul is hiding there somewhere, not just a piggybank.
    But…it might be too late for that sort of advice,
    I am afraid

  245. UncommonSB says:

    LOL that was a quote from the SD’s post :)

  246. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    “So, like the song says (by Willie Nelson) :

    ‘Bring along your Cadillac, leave my old wreck behind
    If you’ve got the money, honey I’ve got the time…
    And if you’ve got no more money, honey, I’ve no more time’ ””

    The SBs who get respectful treatment on this blog by SDs don’t quote such stuff. They are classier than your kind.

  247. UncommonSB says:

    @ATL I skimmed the SD blog. Not bad! An excerpt from one of his posts, great for SDs and SBs alike.

    “Of course it is a stroke to the male ego to think that all these babes are after us because we look hot. Perhaps we are hot and perhaps these babies are genuinely attracted to men with a little grey in their hair. But we shouldn’t fool ourselves. They are with us for the treatment. End of story. Try to take away the treatment and see if your calls get answered by the babes. And that’s fine…So, therefore, this means the sugar relationships are a mutual ‘usage’ type of thing, or, as we say, ‘mutual beneficial’ arrangement. And as long as we all know it is an arrangement, we don’t really care why they are there. We are there to fulfill a purpose in each other’s life, for the short while that we know each other. Nothing more, nothing less. We give the gifts and the treatment, they give us their attention. It’s nice to be loved. I personally love to be loved and to love back. But sugar isn’t the place to find that sort of thing.

    So, like the song says (by Willie Nelson) :

    ‘Bring along your Cadillac, leave my old wreck behind
    If you’ve got the money, honey I’ve got the time…
    And if you’ve got no more money, honey, I’ve no more time’ ”

    That post was on point!

  248. Josh says:

    This is THE classic…from our own SD Guru [http://sugardaddychronicles.blogspot.com]

  249. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @ATL – BRO, great to see you back, hope it’s an extended stay!

    Thanks for the blog as well, at one point I looked but only found bullshit from the SD side of sugar on blogs.

  250. KeKe says:

    Thanks @ATLSD. I got lucky! :-)

  251. THEATLSD says:

    @KeKe

    Sugardaddydiary
    He writes short blogs about his long history of sugaring.

    Also, glad to see you doing well. I have been reading your posts.

  252. Josh says:

    @Dollface

    “I’m a difficult person to read. I don’t say what I want or what bothers me… instead I expect the other person to know or I tend to let things build up.”

    It is not your fault at all dear.

    Every woman on this earth has inalienable right to blame a single man, a group of men or the whole MANkind for what she feels or does not feel, and for things that happen to her or does not happen to her. The man diddling her vagina is the most opportune candidate for the blame.

  253. KeKe says:

    @ATLSD…what’s his blog called?

  254. KeKe says:

    @Kenna… I’d pick the doctor your most comfortable with. Who seems to be most on board with any birthing plans.

  255. THEATLSD says:

    Hey Y’all been a while.

    @Dollface
    Welcome back. Glad you found a SD but maybe not this one. I had a few things to say but it was
    already said by our fab bloggers. I agree with trying one more time up front and letting him know
    what you want.

    With the exception of one POT SB, I was the one that always brought up the arrangement and asked
    what they were looking for. Alllowance, free lance, go shopping etc.

    @ONSD
    Way to go bro. So glad you found a good one!!!! Patience pays off sometimes.

    I also found a SD blog which I have been reading and is interesting to read his stories.

  256. KeKe says:

    @Kenna…Why is one place better than the other?

    @Doll… you are hard to read! Lol. He sounds like more of a gifting SD. If you don’t speak up, how will he know you rather have cash. Good look!

  257. @Dollface says:

    @STRUGGLE You’re definitely right about that and it’s a turn on for him to it seems. He wanted to take me shopping for makeup and he did last week. He also is going to pay for my hair extensions and for me to get them done before we go to Miami, as well as my waxing. He also wants to take me shopping for sexy dresses, shoes and he even said he wants to buy me a car in the future. He also wants to take me shopping for some hot Brazilian swim suits. He told me if we stay together he’d make my wish of a boob job come true. He actually brought it up when I was with him last week…. he said he’d take care of me while I recover… and he just called me telling me about his day.

    I will tell him about what bothered me because he made me promise not to ever let the sun go dow. on my anger if he ever upsets me because it just festers and grows bigger. He’s not a bad person when he looks at me I do feel like he cares.

    Yeah he isn’t as generous in handing out money but he is okay with spending money on me. I should be more appreciative. I’ll bring up my concerns for an allowance after I weigh everything out… He does tell me he wants to spoil me but I never ask for anything. I guess that’s my fault. I’m a difficult person to read. I don’t say what I want or what bothers me… instead I expect the other person to know or I tend to let things build up.

    Wish me luck everyone!

  258. KennaKenna says:

    @Struggle missed you for a bit, hope you’re well.

    I got back to Cali early this morning, was sooo good to be reunited with him, spent hours in bed but been going through the discussion of where to have the baby ALL day, very exhausting conversation.

  259. KeKe says:

    @Struggle she’s four and a half. I think she would enjoy it!

  260. UncommonSB says:

    @Struggle @Keke

    OMG for me, it feels super complicated to learn as an adult! Playing piano involves understanding music theory, sight reading, two hands playing independent rhythm plus harmony… ugh! I wish I had learned as kid. But… it’s relaxing in a way, can’t help but focus on that and nothing else while I’m practicing :) The lesson music is awful though, totally old school folk and lullaby type stuff from the early 1900s.

  261. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    I am absolutely no expert in the field, but I bet that from what I remember you posting about your daughter (I believe it was), she would take well to it. I know it is often my Friday or Saturday night and gives me great stress relief and enjoyment. I think it would be a good thing to at least encourage.

  262. KeKe says:

    @Struggle @Uncommon I always wanted to learn an instrument. My lover plays the guitar. I want my kids to take lessons. Maybe in the future.

  263. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Uncommon
    I play piano, and will often print the sheet music for some of my favorite normal songs (pop, rock, country, etc) and totally geek out on playing. Something very nice and soothing to me about hearing recognizable songs from the radio played by piano :)

  264. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Dollface
    Good luck! I hope it turns out for the best. Just try to maintain your composure, stick to the point, and really aim to avoid arguing.

  265. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke singing, ” I woke up like this. I woke up like this”.. Sorry I couldn’t help myself. Lol”

    Nice! On a side note, I LOVE discovering new music. Been sluggishly starting to practice piano again (only took lessons for a year, so was never fully proficient, still at the learning stage) and I’m intrigued by bands who manage to incorporate classical instruments into cool rock/alt music.

  266. KeKe says:

    OMG..the shit on TV. Teenage mutant ninja turtles is nothing like what I watched growing up

  267. KeKe says:

    Or maybe you were just born that way

    @Rem…singing, ” I woke up like this. I woke up like this”.. Sorry I couldn’t help myself. Lol

  268. KeKe says:

    @Keke
    Oh, for sure! Just saying, that is a good bit less than previously state, and can definitely be worked towards with your man’s help, if he is willing! 

    @Struggle… We will see. Next time he asks me what I want I’ll say to be credit card debt free. I will report back whether it’s positive or negative. Remember he is not an SD so I don’t want him to think I only care about his money.

  269. rembodler says:

    @uncommon
    I already told you, you have nothing to say. See ur rule #4. You ridicule ppl who do not have gold digging as their primary objective. Some ppl, believe it or not, Uncommon, especially young ppl, just want to have fun. Try to remember, go back 20 years ago… Or maybe you were just born that way?

  270. KeKe says:

    You’re a rad, realistic chick though. I think that’s why everyone hearts you!
    @Struggle… that was really nice. Thank you.

    @Josh… okay. I’m going to leave it alone.

  271. @Dollface says:

    @struggle Thank you for your observations and advice. I can’t wait any longer I want to find out the answer tonight. I’m going to bring up my concerns… before I even talk money I’m going to talk about how I feel about how I feel he didn’t take an interest to the things I showed him… Anyways… we’ll see. I’m not sure what I should even do.

    I really don’t want to get hurt and feel that I was taken advantage of.

  272. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Oh, for sure! Just saying, that is a good bit less than previously state, and can definitely be worked towards with your man’s help, if he is willing! :)

  273. KeKe says:

    @STruggle I’m going from two incomes to one. I don’t want any debt.

  274. UncommonSB says:

    I will not feed the trolls, I will not feed the trolls. LOL

  275. StruggleIsReal says:

    A fair assessment of @Keke, in my opinion, from @Josh.

  276. rembodler says:

    UncommonSB says:
    “I have no idea why some people feel the need to attack an opinion or experience that is different from their own. Insecurity, inferiority complex, boredom? Who knows.”

    Great post, darling. Now if only you could apply this to yourself…

  277. Josh says:

    @Keke

    The blog SDs know men-pleasing women from men-using women. That’s why they interact with female bloggers differently.

  278. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Meh, I suppose we all have our reasons and they are our own. Who knows. I appreciate all of the input really.
    You’re a rad, realistic chick though. I think that’s why everyone hearts you!

  279. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Uncommon
    Oh I didn’t mean to point out that we necessarily have a difference of opinion, but just wanted to be clear and fair. Truth is, yes I have been lucky in my Sugar relationships… very very lucky. I couldn’t possibly disagree with you. I think you have a great outlook and one that is valuable for onlookers to relate to in their own way. Exactly– some will agree, some will disagree, but unless someone is just clearly writing lies or is out to malign someone or a sect, it’s all good if you ask me.

    I am glad you are here to show your experience and views. High five! :)

  280. KeKe says:

    @Struggle… like you the blog SD’s have been extremely helpful. I don’t understand why they dislike some to such a degree. Because I’m new here I feel like I’m missing something. I don’t get it.

  281. UncommonSB says:

    @Struggle Yes, I know we have a few differences of opinion, but overall I agree with most of your posts. And I would never argue with you for having a difference of opinion on a few things. Overall though, we see eye to eye from the standpoint of ‘getting’ it when it comes to recognizing, respecting and cherishing a naturally generous man vs demanding X $$ :)

  282. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Babe, that’s not that much debt! Are you going to present it to your man? I guarantee he will be happy to help you pay that down. I know I would if I was in the place to do so!

    @Dollface
    Another note–
    From my experience, in my situation, my GB really enjoys “taking care” of me. This means that he gets off a bit on knowing he did something for me and is able to feel and be aware of the transaction. Say, for instance, getting my hair done. He loves coming home to me having nice fresh beautiful hair, running his hands through it, and well some sexytime things just may ensue from there, if you catch my drift. It’s a fun power trip that we both enjoy. I love watching the girls at the salon dart their eyes when he insists that I don’t pay, and he enjoys my bratty little reaction from it, and it does make me want to show him how much I care.

    In this way, the transactional nature is really fucking sexy.
    Maybe you could persuade your guy in such a direction, if he is at all inclined? Of course, I’m sure many people won’t feel at all similarly about it, but that was just a note that I thought could make it more of a “fun” conversation than so much like “hey guy, pay for my shit”… LoL.

  283. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Uncommon
    I’m really glad you relate! I will say though that I am not opposed to p4p, for the first couple of meets anyways, but always with the understanding that it will move to allowance after a couple satisfactory encounters. True, my preference would and has been to never really even discuss money in a very specific way– I honestly feel that I have been really simply lucky in achieving this– but I do feel that for most situations, people generally need to be pretty clear with just what they want on both ends, before exchanging anything that would make one feel cheated if the other left unceremoniously and without what they feel is adequate “compensation”.

    Also, most of the blog SDs have been really positive towards me and my experience. Sure, we have sparred some, as one is wont to do on a blog, but in the end, most have really been fair to me, if not exceedingly kind and helpful.

    But I do know what you’re talking about, but at the same time, I haven’t been here that much as of late, but don’t feel the blog has been all that awful lately.

    The bottom line is two happy parties are two happy parties. No one can take that away from anyone. :)

  284. IHF2030 says:

    It seems that princess-diva syndrome is epidemic among women on this site. Beyond that, I think this site works well for certain types of men, and for worse or better, I am not that type.

  285. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “And that irritates the sh*t out of me. I’m really trying to understand why anyone cares what some else does for you.”

    I have no idea why some people feel the need to attack an opinion or experience that is different from their own. Insecurity, inferiority complex, boredom? Who knows. Such is life.

  286. KeKe says:

    @Struggle @Kenna @Lady I relate to your experiences most, which resemble what I’ve gone through and how I approach sugar dating. Just because p4p is not how we roll and we all seem to find naturally generous men, yes, we get slammed here far more frequently than the other SBs.

    @Uncommon…And that irritates the sh*t out of me. I’m really trying to understand why anyone cares what some else does for you.

  287. StruggleIsReal says:

    @PI Wolf
    “I will try to write a long essay on the Art of Mistressing. It will show my mindset and what my wants, needs, and expectations are – as a Patron / Benefactor / SD / Lover / Generous Boyfriend (thanks to the ladies here, for this new term).

    Hopefully, it can be used as a primer of how a Potential Male SD thinks.”

    Let us know when you do this and where you post it! This would be helpful for sure to many newbies and always a good reminder for ANY lady in ANY relationship, really.

    @Josh
    I do have to thank you for saving me from multiple sabotage attempts. The good thing about being drilled with sabotage stuff is that I now really do consider it when I feel the little ugly head raring-up. I have had a couple times where I was like “Holy shit, this is sabotage, you stupid cunt! Shut the fuck up in there and go beg your man to let you suck his penis!” haha It has totally worked, and I have woken up the next morning SO THANKFUL that I didn’t go all apeshit bananas bullshit for no truly great reason.

    I have to also mirror one of @Keke’s earlier posts in which she said that she could basically be fucked into a good mood, any and all of the time. I am the same way, and GB has now learned just exactly what that means. He is all about it now. I think he didn’t really believe it before. I swear to god, it works, for me anyways.

    The man is away for the first time since we have moved in together. I can’t believe how fast you become so accustomed to having that person there all the time, when previously we hardly ever had each other there. Now he leaves for a few days and I’m all “boo-boo” over it, when before I would see him for just a few days and “boo-boo” for weeks on end. Not legitimately “boo-boo”, but you know what I mean. In a way, I am enjoying the missing. It’s good to have space because it gives time to reflect on each other from a distance.

  288. UncommonSB says:

    @Struggle @Kenna @Lady I relate to your experiences most, which resemble what I’ve gone through and how I approach sugar dating. Just because p4p is not how we roll and we all seem to find naturally generous men, yes, we get slammed here far more frequently than the other SBs.

  289. UncommonSB says:

    “Only Johns pay $1-2000 for a weekend away. SDs pay $250′

    LOL. From reading the blog, many SBs stopping by might in fact think this is the perspective of most SDs and all they should ever be comfortable with, which is never going to be a comfortable lifestyle upgrade for many SBs.

  290. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    “I refer to student as my lover, my mistress, but NOT my arrangement!
    We had a discussion about terminology…she prefers that I refer to our times together as dates, rather than meets or encounters…
    I think she would rather call me GB, because she doesn’t refer to me as “daddy” at all.”
    Such a truly sweet relationship. Me likey.

    @Dollface

    From what I can tell, you are in one of the following situations:
    a) He is just completely taking advantage of you and as soon as you mention allowance etc, he will scram.
    b) You have truly not been at all clear with him about just what you desire/ require for this relationship to work. In this case, do just as @ONSD advised and try to be very honest and clear with him.
    c) You are emotionally entangled and don’t actually require the allowance to be with him, but you are feeling frustrated that you let it fall by the wayside. In this case, let him know that you really care for him and that you want to be with him beyond the money, but that you did come into this hoping for some support. Hopefully, if he is of the means that you say he is, and he does care about you, he will be willing to help at least in some way that will please you.

    I met my GB from SA so I do feel like I have some insight here. My gut feeling is that he is just running through you for all you’re worth, and that as soon as you pipe up with more needs, he is going to scoot. My GB is always covering my expenses, in fact he tries to cover all of them, but I omit some just because I don’t feel he should be covering everything and I like to keep a good mind-set about money. I don’t want to become spoiled. Point is… yeah, this guy is being uber stingy, at least compared to my man (and he is not independently, massively wealthy or anything like that.).

    I would summon some confidence, brutally consider your options and the consequences, and if you deem it fit to move forward with a fair shot to let him know what you want and/or need and to give him the opportunity to respond, then do so very respectfully and without demands. Be tactful and kind and just let him know that it would mean a lot to me if he would cover certain things.

    In relationships, one must remember that “once you go there, you can’t go back”. Sure there are exceptions, but once something has progressed or occurred, it is damn near impossible to backtrack and rewrite the story as you wished or hoped it would have been. Staying present and aware and honest is so important. And respectful, always.

  291. SWM43 says:

    Josh: Yes, the website is very much optimized to encourage people to look around and maybe sign up. The website is NOT optimized to facilitate arrangements.

    In the past 3 years, I have had some enjoyable arrangements. I have also had some not work when I think they logically could have. In one case, the SB paid a lot of lip service to mutuality, but I found that if I was forced to stand my ground too much on mutuality—and it was no longer fun.

    Ironically, I was very generous in those early stages with her. I provided an allowance that was escalating. But at some point, I couldn’t really enjoy things because I knew that I had to keep my guard up. Had she been smarter, she would have realized that I could be have been easily and cooperatively milked of resources on an ongoing basis, but she was never able to see that possibility.

  292. VZP says:

    Who should make the first offer?
    I was just advised never make the first offer. But I’m reading here SB should know her worth and spell it out.

    Rookie POT advises an arrangement or allowance is no issue. Request an email providing numbers for negotiations. His schedule is far and few meets between. Maybe 2x a month. With a trip or 2 while out on business. He paid $200 for lunch. He wants to see Pot SB again but wants her to SPELL IT OUT FOR HIM. What should she do? Some how get a number out of him OR Set it herself. This would be his first set arrangement.

    I personally think just send the numbers and go from there. Rather then running around in circles.

  293. Josh says:

    SWM43

    “I do think the Website could do some things to improve some of these gaps of expectations.”

    Unfortunately this site does exactly the opposite. It uses stock photos of good-looking, younger men’s, posts snobbish articles and even send emails to SBs to egg them on.

  294. SWM43 says:

    The sugar bowl is a fascinating view of people. I am surprised there isn’t more written about the lifestyle.

    In any case, the fundamental problem remains in rectifying two contradictory impulses:
    (1) If you take a purely defensive posture and seek to avoid being taken advantage of, the entire process becomes very transactional. Prostitution by another name.
    (2) If you purpose avoid a transactional approach, there is a high probability of being taken advantage of.

    The key solution as I see it is to always focus on mutuality. Tie what you want to giving the other person what they want. This can be done incrementally if necessary.

    A delicate dance for sure. Many SBs are in my opinion short sighted in terms of how they approach these things. As a single person who likes to travel, attend shows, try new things, and doesn’t avoid being out in public with a SB, I think that being with me gives a SB all sorts of advantanges in addition to an allowance. I have also embraced the mentorship role when I see that the SB can benefit from that.

    Unfortunately, in many situations, the SB is more than happy to work up to her side of the mutual benefit without being particularly patient about receiving her side of the mutual benefit. I am very much a gentleman, but I put limits on my willingness to play the role of the fool.

    It is disappointing, but I think that many SB’s simply haven’t thought through the concept of mutual benefit. I do think the Website could do some things to improve some of these gaps of expectations.

    Expectations are not sufficiently defined in terms of the amount of allowance. There are several different archtypes as to how an arrangement can be worked out and “launched”. The site could define these categories, and allow people to self-identify what they are looking for.

    Otherwise, people do get disappointed and drop off when there undoubtedly would be potentially satisfying arrangements out there for them.

  295. LadyScarlett says:

    @online, I agree…there are many types of arrangements.

    But, @Rem, if you are referring to my $1,500 example…we had met before, and it was given in lieu of him having to miss my birthday weekend he had planned(I would have much rather spent time with him), though, but have been given pre-meet gifts before, in past, as well as allowance up-front(some much more than others), but the amount doesn’t really matter, as every arrangement was different, depending on the man and relationship..there is no ‘set price’. my point was that why would a genuine SB run, after a pre-meet gift, or first month allowance was given, unless she never planned on having an arrangement with you, anyway? A smart woman would stick around for the long-term and be thankful she found someone like this(considering the man has already shown his intention and investment to have an arrangement)unless she is a scammer who does that to many men(and, karma will catch up to her, eventually). It is a shame that the scammers have ruined the trust for both sides.

    No one said $300 is unacceptable…people should accept whatever they agree to and feel comfortable with.

  296. Sigma says:

    @All SBs that are looking for an Education/Mentorship into the SB/SD/Sugar Bowl Life:
    Would you be willing to go out with an older gentleman, of average looks, as he takes you out for dinners, drinks, and talks (leading to intimate encounters) as he shows you how the lifestyle of an SB – COULD BE. You will not be compensated for anything. In fact, the introduction and experience, could be considered an Invaluable Education on The Sugar Lifestyle. You should then decide if you are cut out for this or not.

    I am willing to bet, your answer is NO!
    NO MONEY, NO HONEY!

    My answer is YES. Had some experience with this except that his look is above average. Getting attention from a charming successful man makes me feel good about myself. And it’s pleasant spending time with someone who’s willing to pass on his knowledge. I feel I am emotionally compensated this way. I am not really short on money though.

  297. KeKe says:

    @All… I don’t get an allowance ( obviously) but my Lover pays for everything. Dinners, movies, cooking class for us (and best friend). He was even willing to pay for my best and myself to go to Vegas. So not getting an allowance is not horrible either but I’m not knocking the SB’s that do?

  298. KeKe says:

    I recalculated my debt. I have only $7000. Thank you GB. Lol

  299. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Lady – perfect…post the blog as a resource for newbies…just don’t always do it when there’s a discussion about p2p. It will make those same newbies think ALL SDs that offer p2p are just taking advantage.

    I think it’s also a great point to have some SBs that may not have had such a significant allowance, but significant benefits of activities and gifts to input. There is more than one way to get ahead in life!

  300. Josh says:

    *I question is how long they will stay there knowing women’s tendency to royally fuck up their cushy positions in their men’s hearts.

  301. KeKe says:

    Also, I wrote earlier that most men have no qualms asking for what they want…so, while it will oftentimes feel awkward for us to bring up the money issue, men do not view it that way

    @Doll @Scarlet… This is so true! I had mentioned in previous talks that I want to get rid of my credit card debt very early on. After several emails and then texts we were very excited to meet. We had genuine sexual attraction for one another. We closed the restaurant down. Lol. He walks me to the car. We made out. Before he leaves he opens his wallet and hands me several hundreds of dollars. If I was white I would have turned red. It felt so awkward. I would have done him with no money involved. Lol. But he says like it’s nothing, ” For you to start paying your credit cards off”. I was uncomfortable. It didn’t bother him one bet. And he let me know he would help. I didn’t meet him on SA. Your guy should know the deal and have no qualms having this discussion.

  302. Josh says:

    @Rem

    I don’t know how long have you been following this blog but little over a year ago money-for-nothing was all the rage on this blog. We have cut it down significantly, but such talk has a tendency to provide instant orgasms to many SBs-wannabes.

  303. Josh says:

    @peeps

    “a woman is powerless and only in the instance where the man REALLY likes her will he change the terms to her benefit.”

    There you go. A woman who learns how to make a man REALLY like her deserves shit load of money because he will not give a shit about the money anymore. The problem is that the “princess that I am” crowd has no clue how to enter and stay in men’s hearts.

    Case in point, do I ever question who much @Kenna’s or @Struggle’s men give to them? They are sitting in their respective men’s hearts and money is irrelevant. What I question is how long they will stay their knowing women’s tendency to fuck up their cushy positions in their men’s hearts.

  304. rembodler says:

    I think guys present a more balanced opinion. Some want to flash their wealth, some their great deals. Unfortunately, most SBs here are of a “I got a 1500 gift before we even meat” type… I just wish more of the SBs would cond here to say that yes, they only got a “few hundred dollars per date”, but they saw Broadway shows, stayed in nice hotels on the beach in February, went to Fine Art museum and learned a lot about the world they would not otherwise. And yes, “he was a great lay”.

  305. LadyScarlett says:

    @PI, I thought you had a more European viewpoint on the mistress/benefactor thing(from what I have seen and and read in your posts).

  306. LadyScarlett says:

    @online, that is true…however, I posted that for new girls, if they chose to read(considering how the topic was today). I was not comparing men on this blog to that blog, and have not even looked at that blog, since I posted it last time(months ago, I think…)….but, remember it had good tips (on what to avoid, red flags to be wary of, or tactics some use). There are more than a few hobbyists on SA, to be honest, pretending to be real SD’s. It is what it is…Thanks for your feedback, though.

  307. PI Wolf says:

    @LadyScarlett,

    Thanks for your suggestion. I had thought about it for a while, but too lazy to do it. I will try to write a long essay on the Art of Mistressing. It will show my mindset and what my wants, needs, and expectations are – as a Patron / Benefactor / SD / Lover / Generous Boyfriend (thanks to the ladies here, for this new term).

    Hopefully, it can be used as a primer of how a Potential Male SD thinks.

  308. LadyScarlett says:

    Hey, no worries, dollface, and glad to help if I did any…when I was new to arrangements, remember how awkward talking about the financial aspect, especially, having to bring it up(and, it STILL sometimes is, so prefer the man just to do it, but is not always the case, as some men are new to arrangements as well…so, sometimes you have to be very direct/to the point, and is preferable(like Peeps and others said) to have the discussion at the beginning, rather than later….just so there are no misunderstandings or disappointments. Every man and how the discussion is brought up has been different(in my experience, anyway).

    Hope it works out for you, and if not, then you find another situation more suitable soon. Xx

  309. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Lady – you are so quick to continue to point to that blog. Those regular SDs contributing here have continued to badmouth those posers…there are ways that scan artists of any ilk use similar mechanisms to those with better intent. Let’s move beyond that other blog and be productive to those participants here. You can continue to monitor that blog and report when they change tactics. But if it the Same Old Shit there let’s just move on and be productive. Okay?

  310. PI Wolf says:

    @LadyScarlett,

    You are right, in that the girls who are new, do not know how traditional arrangements work. Asians and Europeans understand the concept of the Older Benefactor and his Younger Liaison, who are in a Romantic Relationship (called An Affair), where the Wealthier Individual provides financial benefits to the Younger Lover, and sometimes mentorship.

    The main problem with the Wanna Be SB these days is – their unrealistic inflated sense of self worth and Ego. Where they think that they are worth the asking allowance of Moderate, Substantial or Higher amounts. Look in the mirror first and see – can you match Christie Brinkley in looks? Understand that if you think – you are One In A Million – the reality is you are – One Amongst A Million! How many very good looking women (in The USA) are there? They are all your competitors!

    During my walks around town, I have already spotted at least 10 women that I would like to be my Lovers / Mistresses. They range from mid 20s to mid 40s in age, of different ethnic origin. I saw all of them working in various High End department stores (Bloomingdales, Macy’s, Tiffany’s, etc.). They all look good, in my personal opinion, and I would be willing to spend $4k-$8k per month on them, to be my full time lovers.

  311. Anonymous says:

    @Dollface,

    How old are you?

  312. rembodler says:

    I actually think despite all the squabbles here, this forum serves the purpose. There is a good mix of opinions and truth and myths are represented in good healthy proportion…

  313. LadyScarlett says:

    That is true, PIWolf(I really appreciate most of your input I have read, btw)..I think most who post there are hobbyists, so those in hobby land are definitely looking for the most ‘bang’ for their buck. And, fair enough, if they stick to the escorts or pros who advertise on SA, too, but what about the girls who are new, or do not know how arrangements work, but really are looking for more of a traditional arrangement? I just hate to see manipulation on either side(for the men or women). As they say, knowledge is power, so if you have an idea what to look for or what to avoid, then this helps a little…

  314. @Dollface says:

    @Ladyscarlette thank you

  315. PI Wolf says:

    @Dollhouse,

    You should look for another Lover / Boyfriend / SD. The current one will not fulfill your needs. Next time, make sure your exact financials are agreed to – BEFOREHAND.

    @All,

    Where I come from (and go to play), we have terms for these:
    Me and 2 women – Twin Service
    Me and 3 women – Charlie’s Angels
    Me and 4 women – I will probably die…

    @LadyScarlet,

    As for that site you just mentioned and that particular subject – It is not about how to scam the women, but sharing comments on how to Maximize Results for Money Spent. Which is exactly the opposite of what many women do – Maximize Money for Minimum (or No) Results.

    Alas, the world is a cruel place and the Sugar Bowl is no exception!

  316. LadyScarlett says:

    “Muah says:
    May 5, 2015 at 2:40 pm
    @Lady
    True – Sometimes I worry that girls with higher expectations will think they can’t get what they actually are looking for. There should be a place sugar babies can go to get advice from actual, experienced, successful SBs Aside from like Tumblr – IDK if that even counts lol. However, most people know this blog is quite useless ”

    That is true…even the scam artist SD’s, from usasexguideinfo(arrangements amateurs or not) made fun of this blog for always going off topic from actual arrangements(I noticed this awhile back, when is posted link before).

    I encourage new sugar babies to take a look at that blog, as the men post tips for each other how to ‘scam the new and naive SBs’ as well as the pros. Actually, I remember that I saw several posts of these scammers claiming that the best way to avoid a monthly allowance is to tell the girls that they were burned or scammed by the girl running away…while I know some of the guys are actually scammed, there are also those who know to use as an excuse to get cheaper p4p….

  317. rembodler says:

    @Muah
    The allowance is determined by the laws of supply and demand, but also by chance. It is not impossible to find a rich generous and not repulsive man. Ultimately, the best route is escorting: seeing numerous people until you roll your dice just right. Most successful SBs are just that… I am not saying anything wrong with that, just not all have the right personality for it. That is all.

  318. LadyScarlett says:

    Also, I wrote earlier that most men have no qualms asking for what they want…so, while it will oftentimes feel awkward for us to bring up the money issue, men do not view it that way(unless, he is not looking for an arrangement, anyway, which in that case is better to know now than to waste anymore time), and if he genuinely cares, then he will want to at least want to try and work something out that is beneficial for you both. However, I do notice some of the red flags others have pointed out…and, you and the others are right–if he avoids the talk, or bolts, then at least you tried voicing your thoughts(better late than never).

  319. Muah says:

    @Lady
    True – Sometimes I worry that girls with higher expectations will think they can’t get what they actually are looking for. There should be a place sugar babies can go to get advice from actual, experienced, successful SBs :) Aside from like Tumblr – IDK if that even counts lol. However, most people know this blog is quite useless :)

  320. LadyScarlett says:

    @Dollface, I would just bring it up in a nice way, and see how he responds to your needs, or preferences in an arrangement. I wrote earlier that I interpreted that you did not seem to enjoy his company, though, or that you did not have similar interests(his lack of depth, and disregard for your interest/hobbies).

    The question would be, first…is that even if he offers an allowance you would find acceptable, do you really enjoy spending time with this person? I do not have an arrangement with someone unless I do…yes, I put on my best face for him, but also need to genuinely like and look forward to his company. If not, then it is not worth it…

  321. @Dollface says:

    @Ladyscarlette what would you as a women suggest I do?

    Seems like some of the guys want me to throw in the towel without even bringing up that I need the allowance. I don’t see the hurt in trying… you never know unless you try right?

  322. PI Wolf says:

    @ONSD,

    I always refer to the woman I have an arrangement with as my Lover, or Mistress, or GF, or Sweetheart, or all of these. They are always a woman I am having a Romantic Affair with. The arrangement is always an understanding that we have with one another, in that I provide her with Financial Resources, so that she can have time to be with me, and have something she can carve a path with – in her life – with the hope she will be successful, that she no longer requires my financial outlays (I wish).

    @All SBs that are looking for an Education/Mentorship into the SB/SD/Sugar Bowl Life:
    Would you be willing to go out with an older gentleman, of average looks, as he takes you out for dinners, drinks, and talks (leading to intimate encounters) as he shows you how the lifestyle of an SB – COULD BE. You will not be compensated for anything. In fact, the introduction and experience, could be considered an Invaluable Education on The Sugar Lifestyle. You should then decide if you are cut out for this or not.

    I am willing to bet, your answer is NO!
    NO MONEY, NO HONEY!

  323. rembodler says:

    @LadyScarlet says:
    ”Agreed, but would hate for some of the new or naive girls to take some of it for serious, so is why I stop by, at times, in order to help…”

    Hey, Gentlemen! Let’s all get up and applaud the Lady for all her infinite wisdom and kind help she always, always brings to this discussion !!!(Rem applauds enthusiastically).

  324. LadyScarlett says:

    “Muah says:
    May 5, 2015 at 2:21 pm
    True true, of course I never actually take anything they say seriously haha ”

    Agreed, but would hate for some of the new or naive girls to take some of it for serious, so is why I stop by, at times, in order to help, and is good some other ladies experienced with arrangements(both good and bad experiences they are kind enough to share) help as well(like you and others).

  325. @Dollface says:

    @Ladyscarlette Oh gosh you hit that spot on.

  326. rembodler says:

    Yea, it is funny indeed how some of the “SBs” gets worked up when someone says you can date high quality pretty and intelligent women for a fraction of their escort-based prices…

  327. @Dollface says:

    But it would be stupid to dump him now lol…. dumb dumb dumb I’m definitely getting something more.

    Hair extensions, shopping, whoever Mackenzie is she can have him to herself once I get what I want. Yesterday he already agreed to pay for some other thing I wanted to do.

  328. Muah says:

    True true, of course I never actually take anything they say seriously haha 😀

  329. flyR says:

    @ DOLL as others have advised if you just take the trip for it’s value in excess of the negative impacts of being with him you’ll probably regret it longer than you will remember the trip.

    If you are not looking forward to having sex with a stripper it is time to EJECT

  330. LadyScarlett says:

    @Muah, will share a little secret with you. Some of the ‘SD’s’ who get worked up, are in actuality trying to get you ‘worked up’, as they thrive off of conflict and negative banter…if you get my drift?

  331. Muah says:

    KeKe – Yes, I can agree to disagree. I admit – it makes me LOL how worked up some of the SDs get :)

    @Lady
    I agree!

  332. rembodler says:

    @Muah
    Do not get me wrong – I have nothing against overpriced escorts with attitude. Someone should be separating rich lazy fools from their money… Gets them out of completion for the real thing they have no idea exists…

  333. @Dollface says:

    Yeah I suppose I should just cut him off then right? I’d rather get some money and then bounce. He deserves it for lying anyways.

    We’ll see how this plays out.

  334. @Dollface says:

    I’m never rude to him when I put my foot down about something. I’m just a very people pleasing kind of person and I tend to get taken advantage of. I’ve never been a brat with him or anything like that. I know how to talk to him. I’m just blowing steam here with how bitter I sound. He never see’s that side.

  335. KeKe says:

    Oh good god. Can we not agree there are SD’s of different financial levels who pay what they can afford. And there are SB’s who expect a certain allowance or P4P. Why is one better than the other. It’s what ever the parties agree on and if they don’t agree part ways.

  336. LadyScarlett says:

    I had a sometimes sugar daddy, more like a dating/generous dating scenario a couple years back, but before we really established anything(we had just one date before this)…he was supposed to come to my city for my birthday weekend. He was always going out of town last minute, due to his work, so he sent a gift amount for about $1,500, due to missing what we had planned. It was a nice gesture, and do not think it was expected, since we had not started an official arrangement or anything yet, really. It never occurred to me to run away after this because I figured if he was that generous before we started an arrangement than he just might be a keeper…. :-p

    If someone runs away after getting only $1,000, then they never planned on staying, obviously. Unless, something was said that really put her off.

  337. peeps says:

    @dollface
    I am with @josh. Cut your losses. Move on. NOW. You can’t win this battle. You’re powerless. HE HAS THE $$$$ – he calls the shots. You can’t force him to give you $$$. He’ll make up some excuse and drag you along…if you stay with this guy you’ll get a fresh “I’M A CERTIFIED IDIOT” diploma.

  338. @Dollface says:

    @Josh I don’t think you knew how our relationship is besides the money talk I’m now bringing up. I don’t understand your mocking comments and I never have. I never thought I was so hot hot hot to score him honey. Those were his words not mine.

  339. Muah says:

    Lol, yea that makes sense – Because I would have attitude with a man who respects me, makes me laugh and gives me an allowance. A FUCK TON OF SENSE bahahahahaha.

  340. KeKe says:

    I hold my Lovers hand. :-)

  341. rembodler says:

    @Muah says:
    “…Yes women who value themselves less typically kiss more ass to keep what they think is a good thing”

    Oh that is fine by me. Why would I overpay for an overpriced escort with an attitude…

  342. Muah says:

    But good job on jumping to conclusions, gentleman

  343. Muah says:

    Lol Maybe you should talk to my long term local Daddy whom I see every week. PS: Long distance usually mean less time seeing someone – You realize that right :)

  344. @Dollface says:

    @flyr I’m not trying too hard for anything. I want what I want and I’m going to bring it up. If he’s not with it I’m done. This is only the second time I’ve seen him. Now that I see he clearly needs help and he needs me to break it down in baby talk instead of being a real man and using common sense to know $200 is a joke…. I’m not trying too hard for him. Plenty of times we’ve had disagreements because I didn’t like something and he would pull up his socks. I’m putting my foot down now with the money issue just as I did with other issues.

  345. gentleman soul says:

    @Muah

    Where are all the SDs that I’ve met that give me a minimum of $1000 PLUS all expenses paid (including the occasional round trip ticket) !!???!!???

    That was on TER Muah . Only Johns pay $1-2000 for a weekend away. SDs pay $250

  346. Muah says:

    Oh I don’t hold hands. I don’t think anyone has said that on here actually, not that I’ve seen at least.

    Yes women who value themselves less typically kiss more ass to keep what they think is a good thing :)

  347. Josh says:

    @Dollface

    Sweetheart you fucked up. You had thought that you were so hot that you snagged a bf out of the SD ocean. A high flying CEO mind you…

    Me thinks that you need to move on.

  348. rembodler says:

    @Muah
    Hahahaha…funny.
    Let me give you a bit of your sarcasm back. This blog, for some reason, seems to only attract SBs who are paid hundreds of thousands to hold someone’s hand.
    I suspect that has a lot to do with the anonymity of this blog, but that is just my cynical opinion.
    After having a dozen arrangements it is patiently clear to me that the SB quality is not directly proportional to her allowance ambitions. In fact, my best arrangements were with women who asked less.

  349. KeKe says:

    @Dollface… if you aren’t into women a 3some maybe awkward. Are you expected to participate with her or just him with both of you. The whole scenario sounds like he’s taking advantage of you.

  350. gentleman soul says:

    @Dollface

    He broke my trust now it’s about the money… that’s all I want from him now. If he didn’t have something to hide he would have no need to lie.

    You sound like an Ex already Doll. Cut your losses and run -preserve your dignity . Taking the Money without feeling is hooker mentality . Unless -that is your mentality . If you aren’t having sex with him then make it clear you are going for “the ride”

  351. Muah says:

    @Dollface – I wasn’t trying to be bitchy towards you or make you feel bad. Long ago I was in a similarish situation so I know how annoying it is. Shit is this guy from DC?

  352. peeps says:

    @dollface: RUN

    Are you seriously going to stick to him because of some 5-star hotel vacay? If so then you deserve him. Guess what he got it for free all this time, why will he pay??? I am assuming if you bring up $$$ in the end that is what he will argue: “I got it for free all this time, why should I pay now?”. Also he’s lined up tons of chicks already so girlfriend, GET THE HELL OUT or accept that you are complicit with this. He will kick you to the curb rather fast, is my opinion. Go back on SA NOW and find yourself a new SD…

    If he “loved you” he would not be pushing you to have a threesome with a stripper…sorry…

  353. @Dollface says:

    @Michelle Isn’t that just awful? I always act like I don’t expect money but clearly I do. obviously I’m on seeking arrangement for a reason right? Disgusting. I guess I do have to spell it out.

  354. Muah says:

    Michael, So she brings you to a strip club to spend money on other women… Clever 😛

    It was a bit of both Rem. What a girl wants as far as an allowance is her choice and has been discussed lots of times on every other blog. It seems like this blog only attracts the SDs that pay the lower amounts. Where are all the SDs that I’ve met that give me a minimum of $1000 PLUS all expenses paid (including the occasional round trip ticket) !!???!!???

    Just an FYI – It doesn’t take much to stop traffic. They’ve done plenty of videos regarding women and sexual harassment. A woman doesn’t have to be “hot hot hot” to get attention – she just has to be female.

    I can go out in sweats, tennis, no make up and still get hit on while pumping gas – HENCE why I always get someone to pump my gas for me lol.

  355. Josh says:

    @rem writes “a thousand”, @Muah reads $300. Hmmmm…

  356. @Dollface says:

    I do feel like he’s taking advantage of me and that makes me sick because I didn’t think he was that kind of person at all.

    He claims to love and be crazy about me. *Rolls eyes* I will bring up the money to him. If he doesn’t want to do it then I’ll assume he is trying to take advantage of me.. however he planned a trip for us the end of May and I’m not sure if I should wait until after to end the relationship… I’d feel better like I at least had a great time in a 5 star hotel all expenses paid….

    Really and truly yes I am pissed off because he wasn’t trying to make my trip enjoyable. He seems a little spoiled at times, and theres no real depth to him. If I’m going to stick around with someone who’s not my ideal I’m not making exceptions especially since he isn’t generous. I’m not impressed. Yeah he claims to have been taken advantage of but he’s a successful business man he isn’t stupid. He could just be using an excuse just like those horny college guys who want sex with out commitment who say “oh I’ve been hurt I don’t want a relationship”.

    I’m obviously not going to be a bitch about the allowance thing. I know that’s definitely not the way to getting what you want.

    Also why I want to make this more about money too is because I caught him in a lie texting a girl. I brought it up he denied texting the girl even though I saw her name pop up three times… then after he said it was his nieces name. BULLSHIT. If I’m with someone who’s going to be shady like that I at least want money in the mean while. I need it anyways. I’ll just keep my heart out of it. I’m not even going to bring up that incident again.

    He broke my trust now it’s about the money… that’s all I want from him now. If he didn’t have something to hide he would have no need to lie.

  357. rembodler says:

    @Muah
    Not sure if this was a sarcasm or a question.
    If a question, it was 900 (three remaining dates worth).
    And yea, that “should be a pocket change”, “drop in a bucket” etc. Women who say that are normally the same ones that, if a retail store would overcharge them a few dollars, would make a stink and call for a manger.

  358. Michael1125 says:

    Strange…

    My current SB is the one taking me to strip clubs! (One of the main reasons she gets an allowance!)

    So you spent 10 days with this guy and only got $200?

    You may be my dream girl….

    We should talk!

  359. Muah says:

    Really Rembodler? Someone ran off with a mere $300? Oh wait you said that was payment per meet lol.

  360. flyR says:

    should have read …….. might be SD

  361. flyR says:

    @ Doll Face “””How do I bring it up to him? I always find it harder to bring up money expectations after a relationship has been established but I guess he should feel more comfortable knowing I’m not trying to get a couple thousand and disappear. Plus you’re right he did say he wanted to take care of me financially. You’re right I do need to tell him my needs.”””

    We’re confusing things here .

    Agreement on an allowance or other financial component – should be discussed, meeting of the minds and confirmed BEFORE sex . It might not be down to the last detail but the general parameters .

    Payment of sugar should be part of the discussion but probably not happen until POF …… but before insertion of organic components.

    All of this seem irrelevant with your new sort of high be SD. Certainly not applicable to all strippers but a substantial portion are prone to have indiscriminate sex with more than a normal number of partners. In addition the clubs usually have a pretty high use of drugs which brings along a whole host of increased risk and decreased resistance . In short not where most would choose to find a long term intimate partner such as sugar. Yes I know it was kind of kinky in the movie. The reality is a lot less attractive.

    Were that not enough your sort of SD is sending you a message that this is his playground .

    If you are not comfortable in a threesome this(with a stripper) is not the way to become comfortable. if you are willing you might offer to screen someone from SA who indicates men /women on her profile or meet someone in another venue. There are a substantial number on SA indicating a willingness . HOWEVER, there is always the risk that he will go with the other woman.

    My sense is that you are trying too hard. One of my core beliefs about sugar (with all due respect to those who violently disagree) is that it should not be a win-lose relationship but one where both will look back in 5 10 and 20 years and say yes that was GOOD it was transient but I benefitted from the relationship.

    Hope that helps

  362. gentleman soul says:

    @Dollface
    “How do I speak to him about it without making him uncomfortable?”

    Worry more about how comfortable you feel. Of course be sweet and flirtatious but in the end stick to your comfort level. Most men do not want their women to act pushy or powerful. Smart is good but avoid the appearance of a ball buster.

  363. rembodler says:

    @peeps
    You are an exception. When I started up, i was giving allowance upfront; it always backfired. For example, one person found someone who was more compatible and she actually tried to make our dates as unpleasant for me as possible. Once I said that I do not feel like meeting anymore, she said “Fine, me neither”. It goes w/o saying that cost me about a thousand. Having even one of these experiences… teaches a guy something.

  364. gentleman soul says:

    @Dollface

    ” He definitely has the money to take care of me ”

    @peeps “How “rich” he might be is not necessarily an indication of his generosity” peeps said it for me . In my case ,I enjoy being generous to the extreme but cannot due to So involvement in my finances . The wealth is there but closely guarded . Smart girls do that once they “capture” their ticket to a life of ease . Look at what happened to Donald Sterling -lots of money but the wife got into his biz.(as did the SB)
    “How do I speak to him about it without making him uncomfortable?”

  365. UncommonSB says:

    From an SD’s profile who emailed me, and I politely declined to explore getting to know each other. There’s zero point when their profile states… “I should add that I’m pretty likable and lead a full life surrounded by many friends. Subsequently, I’m not interested in paying for company or anything else. However, I am a generous soul.” LOL

  366. peeps says:

    @dollface

    you’re in a tough spot. Make a mental list of what you want. Present it to him in sweet terms…my sense is he will bolt or try to manipulate you. Others have said it, he is taking advantage of you. You have to also have a second plan. If I were you I’d be back on the site actively looking for a substitute.

    I have learnt from experience here that YOU are 100% responsible for communicating your needs meaning you have to spell out what they are. Many of us women are too “sweet” and “polite” to bring it up hoping the man will “do the right thing”. I have been on dates with men who pretended they had not read my very clear profile and didn’t “get” allowances and also a man I slept with with bcs I felt “connected” to him because it “wasn’t about the money” – there was not offer of allowance at the end so that was that. Lesson learned. Don’t assume men will do anything for you. Some might. But most will take the lowest price if they can. It is what it is.

    Well, if $ is what you need, SAY IT OUT loud. BEFORE you have sex with a man.

    To each their own, you can have sex with or w/o allowance, depending of what you want from this site, but in my opinion initial arrangements are like cement, they are only flexible when they are wet and fresh because the man has ALL the power and he is only as good as the allowance he provides. Once it has dried out it is almost impossible to renegotiate terms because a woman is powerless and only in the instance where the man REALLY likes her will he change the terms to her benefit.

    How “rich” he might be is not necessarily an indication of his generosity. Therefore i am only really interested in a man who ends up making an actual offer, like a business conversation, essentially. It seems crass, but it is necessary to avoid disappointments in the end. Think of an arrangement like a mini business plan: the terms and expectations HAVE to be spelled out before both parties agree on it.

    Also

    @gentleman
    I was a SB who got a monthly allowance upfront and I did not bolt. I actually suggested per meet, bcs I think both parties need at least 2 months before you KNOW you are compatible. He didn’t want it bcs it would feel too transactional. This was actually a bit awkward bcs I found out we were not sexually compatible but I stayed with him because he had given me an allowance for the month, I essentially felt obligated but I wanted to honor the commitment. We have now amicably parted and I am meeting POTs again, but we did that after he also paid in full for the second month. We are still in touch and go out for dinner until the second month runs out but there is no sex. It all depends.

    These cases are the extreme scenarios of something inevitable: that some men are only here for sex, and some women are only here for $$$. it’s best to be careful, always.

  367. Muah says:

    ONSD
    Very true :) Hopefully he doesn’t run, but if he’s does – at least that’s over with.

  368. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Muah – I agree completely…which is why she needs to choose if she wants to continue with him or not…if yes, bring it up politely (which means he might bolt, but at least she can have it end quickly)…if he listens and accepts, she’s good moving forward…but she should make it clear that any added sexual bonuses are happening because she feels safe and financially taken care of!

  369. LadyScarlett says:

    “Muah says:
    May 5, 2015 at 11:39 am
    Even if you approach him politely – if he had zero intentions of actually providing an allowance… he will still run lol.

    Why would you have a 3 some with a guy, who isn’t giving you an allowance – that you met on SA of all places?

    This why allowance should be discussed and agreed upon prior to any intimacy. When a guy lowballs you, even if he doesn’t realize it – it ruins the whole relationship.”

    Oh, that is very true…I thought she met him in real life, and he was more a boyfriend with financial perks(said he would assist her) than someone she met off of SA? Yes, if she met off of seeking arrangements, then he should know better and agree with this…that he is taking advantage..

  370. Muah says:

    Even if you approach him politely – if he had zero intentions of actually providing an allowance… he will still run lol.

    Why would you have a 3 some with a guy, who isn’t giving you an allowance – that you met on SA of all places?

    This why allowance should be discussed and agreed upon prior to any intimacy. When a guy lowballs you, even if he doesn’t realize it – it ruins the whole relationship.

  371. LadyScarlett says:

    “My thing is I feel a little used. I feel like he only wants to make himself happy. I feel like he wants to appease me and do as little as possible to keep me around but no more. We don’t have an arrangement but he said he’d take care of me financially. I spent 10 days with him and as I’m leaving to the airport he hands me $200 for some spending money. He did say if I need more to ask but that is VERY stingy for a man who’s a CEO and best selling author. I’m offeneded. What do you guys think? What is $200? What can that buy? That can’t even buy a family groceries!!! Yes he took care of a $630 bill I had but $200 for spending money?”

    I just stopped by and skimmed the last few posts quickly, so forgive me if I am misinterpreting, but from what I have gathered…it seems like you are new to having this type of dynamic relationship, or the type you are wanting, and this fellow is your boyfriend in a way, but at the same time, you are resenting him and feeling used for him not delivering what you expected as someone who said he would take care of you? I can understand this, as many women are uncomfortable with discussing allowance amounts or what they need, at first. It can be an awkward situation to discuss the financial aspect or amount needed, and you probably thought or assumed he would be much more generous(and, I agree with that), due to his work and accomplishments(CEO and accomplished author).

    With that being said, I understand where you are coming from with this feeling…but, also agree with what others have said, in that there was no discussion beforehand–so, he under delivered instead of over delivered, in your expectations. Of course, it would be much easier if he had given you more than what you expected without having the allowance or financial perks talk…and, you consider him your boyfriend, so to talk about it after the fact, or at least a set amount per month might not be what he had in mind. However, I agree with others in that you should have the conversation of what your financial expectations are, or what needs to be covered every month, and see what he says. And remember…most men have no qualms for asking what they want, so just bring it up in a thoughtful and open manner, and take it from there.

    From what you described, though, it appears that you are not enjoying his company, feel he does not really care about your hobbies and your interests are very different….

  372. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Dollface – Here’s how…get your finances together in a summary form (it sounds like it’s already done, since you’ve said you need $2,520 a month)…say, before you’re naked or at a strip club or even at a restaurant, “I know you’ve said you want to take care of me financially…I’d like to have a conversation about that…okay?” if he balks at it, you may have your answer…if he says, “why, am I missing something?” now you have your opportunity to discuss your needs and where you see his help alleviating your financial worry…he can then choose to say, “makes sense, here you go” or “damn, that’s a lot more than I had in mind” or even “listen, if I’m there, you’re going to have to open up more sexually” – it’s the start of the conversation…

    As far as letting him know you’re open to experimentation, just not the venue he’s choosing, tell him you’re not comfortable with the venue he’s choosing…something like, “listen, I understand your desire for a threesome, and I’m open to it…I just think we’re both better than picking up a stripper for a night…have you considered another SB from SA (since I think I remember you said you met him here)…tell him you’re open to creating a profile on a swinger site together…make it about “US” and he’ll probably be all about it…however…sometimes a guy’s just gotta thing for strippers…but at least you’ll know!

  373. Josh says:

    @Muah

    “Why would some young hottie want to kiss some “sugar daddy’s” butt and put-out, yet not get an allowance? That’s a rhetorical question lol.”

    Rhetorical answer. She shouldn’t.

  374. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Dollface – @Muah has a point…just remember…all that attitude in your post and animosity about the circumstances will MAKE HIM RUN. If you’re not attracted to him, and don’t care, that’s one thing…but…if you do see him as the GB and someone you could be with in a relationship, “tread lightly” is all I’ll say.

  375. @Dollface says:

    @OnlineSD I see where you’re coming from…. Gosh. I rather go on the site and find a third girl… not a strip club. I’m open to experimenting. How do I bring it up to him? I always find it harder to bring up money expectations after a relationship has been established but I guess he should feel more comfortable knowing I’m not trying to get a couple thousand and disappear. Plus you’re right he did say he wanted to take care of me financially. You’re right I do need to tell him my needs.

    He definitely has the money to take care of me and I suppose if he doesn’t want to do $2,520 then he is isn’t trying to hold up his end of the bargain. Then I leave, because I know for a fact he can afford that amount.

    How do I speak to him about it without making him uncomfortable?

  376. Muah says:

    Dollface

    Dear, he’s taking advantage of you. Unless he is a complete fucking moron you shouldn’t have to spell out that you want an allowance (especially if it’s on your profile). I bet if you talk specifics with him he will have a ton of “excuses”.

    I met a guy off of here long time ago, who knew I wanted an allowance – We talked about it a few times. I have an allowance and HAD an allowance set on my profile as well….

    Anyways, so we went to New York together for a weekend – yes he paid for all the basics. No shopping and all I received was like $140. Some chump change for my time. Tolerating all his annoying habits and excessive hair requires an allowance.

    Being a sugar baby means you are on your best behavior, extra pleasant, etra pretty, etc. However, all that extra effort comes at a price. Why would some young hottie want to kiss some “sugar daddy’s” butt and put-out, yet not get an allowance? That’s a rhetorical question lol.

  377. gentleman soul says:

    @Dollface

    I have needs and I already told him before we dated I want my boyfriend to take care of my financial needs

    Doll ,you need to be very specific with your needs –and –what you will provide him with . He has been burned so his idea of spoiling is to dole it out as he sees fit . Be brave,suck it up ,even if you are not comfortable having a grown up discussion . Talk business up front then you can sit back and enjoy the ride . (as long as he honors his pledge to you )

  378. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @gentleman – remember, if it’s tuition she wants, you can get a tax deduction for paying the bill directly (if you can report it that way in your situation)…there’s a lot of collage girls who need $1,000 a month for tuition, but when the offer is made to pay the bill directly will disappear quickly!

  379. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @dollface – is he local to you or did you travel to see him for the 10 days? Did he pay for your drinks/food/entertainment while you were with him for the 10 days?

    See, there is allowance…there are bills that are paid…there is travel compensation…there is a cost to entertainment…there are gifts…these can all play a part in the overall “arrangement” whether it’s as Generous Boyfriend, Sugar Daddy, Rich Boyfriend, Husband, Lover, whatever.

    If you are not completely upfront about your NEEDS, DESIRES and WANTS to make sure things are mutually beneficial, you have no room to complain about what you’re getting from him. If you’ve told him “I need $3,000 a month to feel comfortable about my life” and he’s said, “no worries dear” and this is all you’re getting ($200 for 10 days with him) then he’s not holding up his end of the bargain…

    On the same token…if he’s said “I’ll take care of you” and you haven’t said “I need $3,000 a month to be taken care of” it’s still on YOU for the issue…

    Finally, if you need $2,520 a month AND you expect him to take care of your hair and nails and shopping and everything else, you better be ready to bring a stripper home and play along with his fantasy life, because I’ll bet my last dollar there’s someone else ready to do it for that or less!

  380. gentleman soul says:

    @Josh
    Those who want upfront monthly allowance have only one thing in mind. That is, to get 4-8 times per meet amount and bolt.

    So true . A sweet 19 yr old country girl I had the pleasure of getting to know intimately would not talk $$ before we met . After I put $$ in her purse and asked later to formalize the arrangement (a weekly thing). She demanded $1000 to see her again . It seems she needed that sum to pay semester 1 costs. I told her w could have it saved in one month and do it over and over again all year . It seemed she knew her “worth” ,so she ended up with nothing . She hung around SA on the search for a few months then disappeared . A FB search showed her with her little 19 yr old fuzzy faced BF-who I’m sure did not give her $1000.

  381. @Dollface says:

    Thats true we don’t have an arrangement but he did say to me it’s a mutually beneficial relationship so I’m assuming he still has that sort of mind set.

    I want to have a monthly allowance. I want to put towards savings and have money so I don’t have to ask for things all the time.

    He does want a threesome an d I know that’s what he’s hoping for and I’m not for it. He seems 90% percent consumed with sex sex sex.

    I have needs and I already told him before we dated I want my boyfriend to take care of my financial needs. If I need to go to the salon or buy some new clothes I want to know my man will take care of it. I told him that before we started dating. He knows that. I came to the conclusion that I’ll need $2,520 to be where I need to be at this point in my life. How do I address that with out him thinking I’m trying to take his money and run or something? He claims he’s been taken advantage of in the past.

  382. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @VZP – I refer to student as my lover, my mistress, but NOT my arrangement!

    We had a discussion about terminology…she prefers that I refer to our times together as dates, rather than meets or encounters…

    I think she would rather call me GB, because she doesn’t refer to me as “daddy” at all.

    @ALL – So, am I hearing there would be an audience for mentoring from an “experienced” SB/SD couple? Now, there’s been the concept of a SB School for how to become a good SB…this would then be like the Graduate School version where a newly trained SB gets coaching and mentoring from a more experienced ‘couple’ based on her SD pots? Very intriguing, I must say!

  383. flyR says:

    Doll F In the absence of an agreement you should not expect sugar ( not sure if you met here) .

    You go to a bar and the bartender serves you and tells you that your drinks are on the house. You keep drinking and having a good time with no thought of the tab

  384. UncommonSB says:

    @Dollface $630 (bill he paid) + $200 cash for 10 days of spending time with him 24/7? Hmn. You could have made that working at Circle K, and had your evenings free to focus on your music or spend time with friends. If you’re not okay with it, speak up. If you don’t see eye to eye after a conversation, just end it.

  385. flyR says:

    @ Dollface

    You need to decide if you want a boyfriend or SD or perhaps a generous boyfriend. But your present situation does not sound like it is any of the three…….

    Unless you enjoy naked women ( not a bad thing) or he is trying to promote a threesome I’m not sure why he is taking you to strip clubs.

  386. @Dollface says:

    I’m starting to think I should bring up the idea of an allowance. How would I even do that though when we don’t have an arrangement? He’s my rich boyfriend.

    $200 is not being generous at all. I don’t even know if I should stick around… it’s like he wants more out of me and he’s trying to get away with as little as possible.

  387. @Dollface says:

    Okay so I’ve posted on a couple of these blogs before asking for advice. I had advice with my profile which I deleted not too long ago. I have a boyfriend that I met on the site. Things were great and I enjoyed spending time with him the first time I spent a week at his place. I spent 10 days with him and started to feel annoyed, and a little disconnected from him. I showed him a little peipiece of a song I wrote, and also let him hear an audio of me singing which caught the attention of many music producers. I’m passionate about music but he seemed very aloof and didn’t inquire about my interest in music. He doesn’t appreciate art either which bothers me. We planned to go to the art museum but he made some comments which pissed me off because I don’t want to go somewhere with ssomeone who will complain the whole time so we didn’t go.

    He doesn’t try to take me out to have fun around the city and take me site seeing but he wants to go to the strip club and clubs and just party party.

    My thing is I feel a little used. I feel like he only wants to make himself happy. I feel like he wants to appease me and do as little as possible to keep me around but no more. We don’t have an arrangement but he said he’d take care of me financially. I spent 10 days with him and as I’m leaving to the airport he hands me $200 for some spending money. He did say if I need more to ask but that is VERY stingy for a man who’s a CEO and best selling author. I’m offeneded. What do you guys think? What is $200? What can that buy? That can’t even buy a family groceries!!! Yes he took care of a $630 bill I had but $200 for spending money?

  388. VZP says:

    The ride along idea could be great If a SB/SD coached together.

    What would a SB/SD relationship be called anyway? Labels shhheeesh..

  389. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    Sweetheart read the whole article and act accordingly. OK?

    [http://99u.com/articles/25151/dont-feed-the-haters-the-confessions-of-a-former-troll]

  390. VZP says:

    @Darkhorse I’ve chosen to go the route of two months of sex required before allowance commences

    Nothing at all? P4P?

  391. VZP says:

    @Online thank you. Sorry for that poor experience. I would not ever drink that much. I do get a drink sometimes 2 depending on the vibe on first meets. I drink a lot of water.
    @Uncommon 😉 I gotChu Girl

    @Promise nothing is to heart and I would like to get into his head. So in essences I could be ;).

    @JJ idk how comfortable I would be on a ride along. But a mentor with no sex and no allowance would be a great friend.

    And I’m here now because an the rare occasion I am early rather then punctual. The POT with the 2 hour drive will be about 30 min late. 2 hour parking. I am of course understanding.

  392. flyR says:

    Drinking at lunch – depends if you expect to work or play in the afternoon. I might be a little suspicious of an SB who is a midday workweek drinker but it really depends on the situation.

    Ride Along – Interesting concept.

    Once alternative a mock interview with a cooperating SD or SB as the occasion requires.

    Pilots and race drivers generally get the benefit of early learning with someone sitting beside them either demonstrating or coaching. Then they are off to fly or drive by themselves.

    I am not sure how I would react if a POT SB asked if she could bring Sexy or Peach along for the first meet as a coach . I’m crazy enough to say yes.

    SB also brought one of her girlfriends over for an evening when the fiend was considering trying SA .

  393. Promise says:

    @VZP He just talking about his standards. Don’t take it to heart unless you want him.

  394. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jj – a ride along for a first meet…that would be interesting…how would YOU feel as the POT SB if the SD showed up with another woman he introduced as a “ride-along”?

  395. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @VZP – I’m partially with @KeKe about alcohol at lunch…take HIS lead…if he gets a drink, you should feel comfortable ordering A DRINK…HOWEVER…do NOT order shots, drinks, beer, etc at the first meet.

    I had one lunch meet where I got the bill and there was 70% of the bill consists of drinks…the drinks were more expensive than the entire first meet SHOULD have been at the establishment! There was not a second meet…

  396. KeKe says:

    What would

  397. KeKe says:

    @Jj…what the ride along consist of?

  398. rembodler says:

    @uncommon
    @Uncommon
    Sorry, darling. You forgot the most important one.
    4). If someone on a blog does not like what I am saying, call these people trolls. They obviously are, since they just cannot appreciate how exceptional, wealthy, educated and desirable I am.

  399. Jj says:

    Interesting concept just came to mind!!! Would’t it be great IF an SD could provide a pot SB a “ride a long” on what really happens in the sugar bowl with some of the less than true SB’s just think’n…

  400. UncommonSB says:

    Understanding Trolls – LOL

    1) They’re bored. Trolls lack stimulation in real life, so they seek it online where it’s readily available and easily acquired. A troll’s behavior reflects a deep insecurity, so having someone respond to their words gives life meaning, regardless of how pathetic that is. They learn to find joy in harming and insulting others. If a troll had something better to do, like work or a hobby, they wouldn’t have time to troll.

    2) They want attention. Whatever their motivations (boredom, bigotry, a warped sense of humor), and however they might self-identify online, they all want one basic thing — an audience. They will use anything and everything to get it. They will criticize you, post inflammatory comments, or write remarks just to get a response. Even if you respond in a cheerful or positive way, you’re still feeding the troll.

    3) Any attempt to change a troll’s mind is an exercise of futility. You will never change a troll’s mind, so don’t bother trying. Excited and dramatic reactions encourage them to continue or escalate their bad behavior, to see just how upset you will get.

  401. Josh says:

    @DarkHorseSD

    Since there’s no money involved, those concerned about “feeling like a prostitute”will not feel any such thing.

  402. DarkHorseSD says:

    I’ve chosen to go the route of two months of sex required before allowance commences.

  403. VZP says:

    @Promise as a new SB and a virgin at that he certainly has insulted you. I understand you just see it that way. I feel I am realistic but he is not.

  404. VZP says:

    Hmmm, that’s pretty misogynistic. You are insulting women in general by suggesting that they don’t back up what they assert?

    Only calling out your hypocrisy

  405. Promise says:

    @VZP He’s never insulted me. He’s insulting SB’s that are unrealistic. I’m not one of them.

  406. Josh says:

    @VZP

    “@Josh you talk all that mess but don’t back it up. Are you really a female?”

    Hmmm, that’s pretty misogynistic. You are insulting women in general by suggesting that they don’t back up what they assert?

  407. VZP says:

    @Promise I’m just trying to understand why he is so upset and disrespectful. Are you really ok with all the insults directed towards you?

  408. Promise says:

    @VZP Leave Josh alone.

  409. KeKe says:

    @VZP…I wouldn’t do alcohol at lunch.

  410. KeKe says:

    It takes men to churn out strong, independent women.

    Thank God! It was a required class not an elective! Lol

  411. VZP says:

    @Josh you talk all that mess but don’t back it up. Are you really a female? It’s difficult to understand your angst perspective.

    We all take risks here regardless of our stature.

  412. Josh says:

    @Keke

    “I only passed because some guy had a crush on me and did my work.”

    It takes men to churn out strong, independent women. 😉

  413. VZP says:

    On a positive note I’m getting ready for a lunch date with a POT. We seem to have some potential but I really can’t decide till we meet. Looking forward to it either way and will make the best of it. I know he sure is Woke up to a message asking if I’m ready yet lol. We each have a drive to the location ahead of us.

    @All.Question

    Do you order an alcoholic beverage on a lunch date? I’m not sure I’ll even have an appetite for it so early it just came to mind.

  414. Josh says:

    @VZP

    Interpret as you wish sweetheart. Have a nice day.

  415. KeKe says:

    Still a clueless wannabe SB and no expert. Lol

  416. VZP says:

    Keke..

    I have issues thinking of what to gift. My go to gift when I don’t know what to get is usually a top shelf or specialized bottle of their choice of alcohol. Combine with a small thoughtful trinket with some sort of meaning or inside joke. I’m sure whatever you decide to get him will be appreciated. Unless he’s Josh lol.

  417. VZP says:

    @Josh all of those insults to “wannabe SBs” only because you or rather “wealthy men” above them all have an issue with a small membership ship fee… doubtful and still does not address my comment. You pay a monthly membership fee you (SDs) have a problem with its no wonder an allowance is an issue for some of you. Hilarious!

  418. KeKe says:

    @Promise…maybe. I should give more info. I took wood shop. And I couldn’t even make a decent sanding block. I only passed because some guy had a crush on me and did my work. No. Nothing that requires hands on.

  419. Josh says:

    @VZP

    Thousands of women of all ages sign up on SA every day by spending a whopping ZERO penny to try their luck.

    With an advertised ratio of 1:8, men who pay a pretty penny earn the “privilege” to communicate with these transient women. They have to deal with “princess that I am”, “strong, independent women on walfare”, “it’s my time to get spoiled”, ‘wher are all good men”, etc., types.

    For some crazy reason, these women–paying whopping ZERO dollars for membership–delude themselves that they are as much in control of the situation as they may be in real life or Match dot com.

    Hence the idiotic posts by women who show up as clueless SBs and then magically turn into sugar experts after posting a few comments here.

  420. Promise says:

    @KeKe There are workshops for that. Even if it turns out bad he might find it cute that you at least tried.

  421. KeKe says:

    @Promise. Girl, I’m not crafty!

  422. Promise says:

    Why don’t you just make something? I saw someone make a wallet before and that took about 6 hours. Why don’t you make watch holder box thing for him?

  423. Anonymous says:

    Lovely!

  424. VZP says:

    Why is there such an issue understanding allowance? Why are SBs constantly defending and explaining the manner? Seriously it’s called Seeking Arrangement marketed on SD giving SB an allowance. ..lol.. what a joke. You are SDs are not only supposedly “rich” but also extremely educated “Real Men” ;). Why are you bring schooled here? I’m still so confused how SDs just don’t get it. Or they want a sexy, educated, young woman but to treat her like an idiot.. right .. because she just came here to be treated the same way she has been “unappreciated”.

    @Josh please tell me How do you treat you SB? Do they stay long… wait to you “keep” them long? What is it that you offer exactly if not an allowance, gifts, respect. …??? I’d lover to know how this “really” work oh mighty Guru… as I bow down to the king for peasant answers

  425. Josh says:

    Do you have an asshole?

  426. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh You are becoming irrelevant the further you go down the rabbit (or would it be rabid at this point?) hole.

  427. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “When “go big” means spending under $300 on a gift for significant other, can we safely ass-u-me that we are dealing with a $30,000/year millionaire?”

    There’s nothing wrong with people going big at their own comfort level. However, if you’re referring to the gifts I mentioned giving to past lovers, the only one that was under $300 (just barely) was the sky dive. The pro radio (linked to base camp unit, antenna, etc) w/headsets for a sand rail cost several times that, and so was the acrobatics flight. It’s not about the money though, it was about doing something cool, unexpected and personal.

  428. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    “1) Honesty is not a fetish, it’s a way of life.”

    I am glad that you are clear about that. I was apparently mistaken that you were telling @Keke to lie.

    Or are you more concerned about the cheating aspect of honesty but are pretty loose about the lying aspect of honesty?

  429. Josh says:

    @rembodler

    “Uncommon says: “I like to go big when I have the chance”…”

    When “go big” means spending under $300 on a gift for significant other, can we safely ass-u-me that we are dealing with a $30,000/year millionaire?

  430. Josh says:

    @flyR

    Sweetheart, I don’t let women pick my clothes, EVER. What the fuck do they know about a real man’s style?

    But since you are a women, I am sure they know your taste, and probably do a good job picking out your shirts, blouses, skirts, panties, bras or whatever else…

  431. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “Hmmm, my apologies, but for some reason I had thought that you were into “honesty” fetish.”

    1) Honesty is not a fetish, it’s a way of life. 2) Just saying, YOU brought up the potential wife issue. It hadn’t even occurred to me before that. I simply stated that I didn’t think sports memorabilia would present a problem for those who aren’t into the ‘honesty’ thing.

  432. Josh says:

    @Rem

    ROTFLMAO!!!Hahahahahahaha

  433. UncommonSB says:

    @rem The amount of effort you put into thinking up ways to continuously berate me is amusing. Carry on! It’s entertaining :)

  434. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    “I don’t think it would be THAT difficult to explain a sports related b-day present from ‘whoever’ you want to claim it’s from?”

    Hmmm, my apologies, but for some reason I had thought that you were into “honesty” fetish.

  435. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “But the real question is that if you are not confident enough in your decision process to put 1/4 – 3/4 of a month cost at risk then you may not belong here.”

    Whatever you say madame sweetheart. I am sure that the above works fine for the SBs under your tutelage.

  436. flyR says:

    gifts

    One of the gifts I appreciated the most were a couple of very carefully selected shirts that were a perfect fit and colors. She had a great sense of design and color and even though the relationship ended after a year I still smile every time I wear one.

    I think it is hard to get sports stuff because , for example, the hockey stick may have been from a special game .

  437. rembodler says:

    Uncommon says: “I like to go big when I have the chance”…

    I think we need a male version of the Uncommon – but until someone comes up with a good proxy, I will give it a dab.

    So – Rem writing like male version of Uncommon:

    Me too, me too – I like to go Big! So last month I am stuck in Val Thorens, trying to do million dollar oil deals with Arabs and Russians. I prefer Arabs, but Russians… are mean motherfu**ers, but they have the best girls and they bring them in by planeloads. Anyway, there is no deal, so their lead guy, Prohorov, is mighty upset. He calls the airport in Grenoble and yells at his guy “Send the girls back!” I am – “Look, Mike, it is not their fault we cannot come to an agreement”. He smiles at me, bastard and says: “No drilling for you tonight, Rem…” And I say: “OK – get the girls here, I cannot get enough of that crude sweet…” He: “OK, but you have to give me something too”…
    Well, I already had a margin, so I tell him: “OK, sixteen million – but I pick first!”. He throws a bottle of Beauté du Siècle into the mirror and yells – “You gotta a deal, Rem!”
    So as I said – I like to go Big!

  438. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “What about a hockey stick or soccer ball from one of his icons, mounted in a display case? That’s something he can place in his office, or at home.”
    Good thinking. I am sure his wife will enjoy it as much as he does.”

    Oh darn! I don’t date married men, so didn’t think of that! Hmn… either way though, I don’t think it would be THAT difficult to explain a sports related b-day present from ‘whoever’ you want to claim it’s from?

  439. flyR says:

    “Those who want upfront monthly allowance have only one thing in mind. That is, to get 4-8 times per meet amount and bolt.”

    Far from a universal truth unless your marketing effort is skewed to the pleasure by the hour end of the scale. For the timid a half month allowance lifts it to allowance from p4p at a minuscule risk. But the real question is that if you are not confident enough in your decision process to put 1/4 – 3/4 of a month cost at risk then you may not belong here.

    My guess is that the investment of billable time to replace a SB is probably 2 months allowance (including first meet) if you approach it with diligence.

  440. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    “What about a hockey stick or soccer ball from one of his icons, mounted in a display case? That’s something he can place in his office, or at home.”

    Good thinking. I am sure his wife will enjoy it as much as he does.

  441. flyR says:

    @hototrot “Got a date Thursday. He wants me to choose the meetup place. I prefer the man choose, but OK.”

    You might counter with something casual in X neighborhood would be great or ask him to describe what he would like.

    Allowance v PPM –
    One compromise is the debit card issued on an SD account for the purpose. Amounts can be added on whatever schedule the parties agree to. It avoids the handfull of dollars trading hands . At a minimum the cash is simply dropped into the SB purse rather than counted out .

    I mentioned some time ago that I am a great fan of local museums as a second meet location. Most have a shop offering coffee and wine plus snacks and there’s plenty of opportunity to have a very private conversation by wandering off to an exhibit vs being in a restaurant with inquisitive folks at nearby tables.

    Regardless of the method of delivery of the $ I think that gifts are a fun part of the relationship.

  442. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “Well damn. He already has one. I just saw the one that looks like the one on his dresser. Thought it was just a case. Lol”

    What about a hockey stick or soccer ball from one of his icons, mounted in a display case? That’s something he can place in his office, or at home.

  443. KeKe says:

    enough to make it personal. Even if you don’t have much to spend, you can still come up with something that shows you care enough to put some thought into it. That’s priceless!
    Agreed!

  444. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “the boxes are pretty reasonable. Great idea. Thanks!”

    No problem! Even if it’s $50, my suggestion would be that it should demonstrate how you appreciate his kindness and generosity enough to make it personal. Even if you don’t have much to spend, you can still come up with something that shows you care enough to put some thought into it. That’s priceless!

  445. KeKe says:

    Well damn. He already has one. I just saw the one that looks like the one on his dresser. Thought it was just a case. Lol

  446. KeKe says:

    @Uncommon… the boxes are pretty reasonable. Great idea. Thanks!

  447. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “ummm I’m trying to get rid of debt. I may have to make that a next’s year gift and go with kegel’d pussy with an added strip tease. Lbvs”

    Gotcha. Well, not knowing what your budget is, you can still give an OMG gift for $200 or less.

  448. KeKe says:

    My apologies…Please don’t let me interfere with your worrigasm.

    @Josh…apology accepted!
    @Uncommon..ummm I’m trying to get rid of debt. I may have to make that a next’s year gift and go with kegel’d pussy with an added strip tease. Lbvs

  449. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke I made suggestions, not proclamations :) Do whatever YOU are comfortable with and can afford. I like to go big when I have the chance. I had a very successful extreme sports pro bf for several years… one year I got him a new radio and headsets for his sand rail. The next year I surprised him with his first sky dive. Another guy I dated for a year was a private pilot, so I got him an air acrobatics passenger flight at a local airport. I like to go big whenever possible, for no other reason than I truly love the reaction when someone is expecting a tie or cologne and htey get something AWESOME and personal instead! It’s totally worth every penny :)

  450. rembodler says:

    @Uncommon
    “Private jets… guilty as charged! Caviar… Yuck. I actually prefer healthy mom and pops restaurants with an ethnic flair. Diamonds… Only conflict free, but I prefer designer costume stuff just to be safe. Worship my leather boots… Guilty as charged! I love men who take the scenic route from the tips of my toes to the promised land…”

    Uncommon! So you can pick and chose after all – just comment on the parts where I played into your fantasy…
    Well… keep doing that and we will remain friends!

  451. Josh says:

    That statement is from the long-ass profile of a 43 year-old “SB” who sent me a message to my 100 year-old, $100 million assets, and $1 million+ income profile…especially created for Jeff the Admin.

  452. KeKe says:

    @Uncommon… I hope I can fed ex that shit because I won’t be able to subtly introduce the conversation until I see him again next Saturday. His birthday is the following Saturday.

  453. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    “@Josh.. that’s not special! He can get that whenever he wants it! Lol”

    My apologies…Please don’t let me interfere with your worrigasm.

  454. KeKe says:

    “A REAL MAN DOESN’T LET DISTANCE BOTHER HIM HE GOES AFTER WHAT HE WANTS!!!!!”

    A “REAL MAN” is what a woman fancies at any given moment.

    So the REAL MAN predicts what his woman wants in him in the next 5 seconds from now and become that MAN.

    @Josh…is there a hidden meaning in that? Or just random?

  455. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke And of course follow the gift presentation with kegel’d pussy :)

  456. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “I tried to pay attention when he was explaining how you could tell but….it was boring. Lol. I regret it now. Lol”

    You can subtly lead him into discussing his watch collection again, and ask at some point if he has any ‘perpetual’ ones that you heard about somewhere (say it with a hair flip – LOL) that he has to reset when he hasn’t worn it in awhile :) If he’s one (or several) of those watches and doesn’t have a winder box, he’ll be stoked when you give him his present.

  457. KeKe says:

    @Josh.. that’s not special! He can get that whenever he wants it! Lol

  458. Josh says:

    “A REAL MAN DOESN’T LET DISTANCE BOTHER HIM HE GOES AFTER WHAT HE WANTS!!!!!”

    A “REAL MAN” is what a woman fancies at any given moment.

    So the REAL MAN predicts what his woman wants in him in the next 5 seconds from now and become that MAN.

  459. Josh says:

    “I don’t know what to get him :-(”

    I am sure that worrying gives women orgasms. Otherwise they would not engage in it that much.

    Unless gift giving/receiving is one of their love languages, kegled pussy is more than enough for many men.

  460. KeKe says:

    The number of watches he have is ridiculous. Some real some fake from living in China for so long. I tried to pay attention when he was explaining how you could tell but….it was boring. Lol. I regret it now. Lol

  461. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke Yeah, if he’s a watch connoisseur then he probably has at least one or two that require regular kinetic movement to keep time :) It’s a pain to have to keep resetting the time when you haven’t worn one for a couple of weeks.

  462. KeKe says:

    Winder storage box sounds cool.

  463. VitesseSD says:

    @SouthernSB

    “I keep thinking of them as friends and I’m giving them TMI”

    Yeah, you do have to remember that unlike conventional dating you’re the one selling yourself to him, not the other way around.

    Complaining, talking about personal problems, or anything else thats TMI in the first few dates sends women running for the hills, the situation here is reversed.

    It doesn’t mean that in the long haul men don’t want to know, its just that you should keep it mild at first.

  464. KeKe says:

    I thought of getting black Hawk tickets but he’s schedule is crazy.and hard to pin down. I was thinking of buying the tickets architectural tour to since we said we wanted to do it before he does but it’s not much of a surprise. I suck a gifts. lol

  465. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke Cooking… eh, that’s a tough one without it being a utilitarian gift (i.e. buying a woman a new vacuum is a shared benefit), and gifts should be FUN. If he is a die hard fan of a certain player or team, get him a really nice collectible, preferably signed and certified. Good watches are pricey, no way around it. Perhaps if he doesn’t already have a winder storage box (it keeps moving watch to keep them running while not being worn) it might be a consideration.

  466. KeKe says:

    Hobby cooking
    Sports soccer and hockey
    Collection of watches

  467. KeKe says:

    @Uncommon…Bwaahaa
    @Southeen less is more

  468. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “I don’t know what to get him”

    I LOVE finding awesome gifts for men. What are his hobbies, favorite sports to spectate/participate in, have you noticed that he collects or admires a certain thing?

  469. KeKe says:

    @Josh…What?! The man loves to cook. We are doing that and an architectural tour of Chicago too for our birthday. Mines is the 28th and his is the 30th.
    I don’t know what to get him :-(

  470. UncommonSB says:

    @rem “Where I fly in private jets, rich men shower me with caviar and diamonds, and then worship my leather boots.”

    Private jets… guilty as charged! Caviar… Yuck. I actually prefer healthy mom and pops restaurants with an ethnic flair. Diamonds… Only conflict free, but I prefer designer costume stuff just to be safe. Worship my leather boots… Guilty as charged! I love men who take the scenic route from the tips of my toes to the promised land :)

  471. SouthernSB says:

    Geez what a lack of faith in women. I for one wouldn’t bolt either. I’m just dipping in for this comment, and to say I think what’s scaring the SDs away is I keep thinking of them as friends and I’m giving them TMI. Live and learn, next time I’ll keep the information to a minimum the flirting to a maximum and try to set a meeting as soon as possible.

  472. Josh says:

    @Keke

    “cooking class together”

    Hmmm.

  473. Josh says:

    @Rem

    I don’t know about others but me no like women who have been showered with caviar. If they take shower and change then I’d be OK though.

  474. KeKe says:

    The next two weeks are going to suck! He’s out of town til Thursday night. I leave early Friday morning for Atlanta. I come back Monday. He leaves Monday. We won’t see each other until we take a cooking class together next Saturday.

  475. KeKe says:

    @Georgia…Very long day. My guy is out of town too.

  476. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Josh
    ROFLMAO.
    Thank you.
    Long day. Too quiet. Honey in Savannah a few days.

  477. Josh says:

    @GeorgiaPeach12

    Oh I am sorry. Please allow me to correct myself sweetheart:

    Those who want upfront monthly allowance have only one thing in mind. That is, to get 4-8 times per meet amount and bolt.

    There are few notable exceptions, such as, @Keke and @GeorgiaPeach who assure us that she will not bolt.

  478. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Josh
    “@KeKe
    “@Josh…that’s not true of all. I wouldn’t bolt.”
    Oh I am sorry. Please allow me to correct myself:
    Those who want upfront monthly allowance have only one thing in mind. That is, to get 4-8 times per meet amount and bolt. There are few exceptions, such as, @Keke who assures us that she will not bolt.”

    Excuse me, Guru Josh. I would not bolt either. I suspect there are others here that could also say the same here. 😉 Just to be clear, Sir.

  479. KeKe says:

    @Rem… no but is was funny as fuck! Lol And I don’t think Uncommon feels that we are mere mortals compared to her. Lol
    If nothing else this blog is entertaining.

  480. rembodler says:

    @Keke
    If you did not sense disdain in that you are a better person than me.
    But let me try and rephrase that for you – after all, Uncommon puts her words in my mouth, I can do the same, right?
    “I, Uncommon, would not bother myself with piddly hundreds, like all you here, mere mortals. Where I fly in private jets, rich men shower me with caviar and diamonds, and then worship my leather boots. I make million dollar business deals and I have dogs and guards to keep low class of my sandbox”…
    Is it better now?

  481. KeKe says:

    Lmao @Josh!

  482. KeKe says:

    @Uncommon…if and when people start responding rudely to me for having an opinion I will just ignore them. We are adults. We should be able to talk kindly with one another.
    Yes! It is very much a turn on when he talks of his life but the fact that he wants to share these things with me make such a sweetheart. I love the intimacy we are developing.

  483. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    “@Josh…that’s not true of all. I wouldn’t bolt.”

    Oh I am sorry. Please allow me to correct myself:

    Those who want upfront monthly allowance have only one thing in mind. That is, to get 4-8 times per meet amount and bolt. There are few exceptions, such as, @Keke who assures us that she will not bolt.

  484. KeKe says:

    @Rem…I didn’t sense disdain. Just different life experience. I’m basically a wannabe SB. But @Uncommon hasn’t ever made any condescending remarks about my experiences and she and @Kenna operate on a different level than myself. So why do you feel she is mocking you?

  485. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “Lover talks of all he has done, places he’s been I’m in awe.”

    I also find it so hot when I’m in awe of my lover :) I get off on how fascinating their experience and accomplishments are. Thanks for voicing the dynamic that occurs here, but I don’t want you to get caught up in it. Stay on everyone’s good side… I have a spine of titanium, but would hate for anyone else to start getting picked on and take it personally.

  486. KeKe says:

    Those who want upfront monthly allowance have only one thing in mind. That is, to get 4-8 times per meet amount and bolt.
    @Josh…that’s not true of all. I wouldn’t bolt.

  487. KeKe says:

    @Rem…it’s like FunDude left but you took up right where he left off. Why are you so sarcastically rude to @Uncommon. I have yet to see her be rude to you. Did I miss something?

  488. Josh says:

    Those who want upfront monthly allowance have only one thing in mind. That is, to get 4-8 times per meet amount and bolt.

  489. rembodler says:

    @Uncommon
    Let me quote you:
    “…Well said. I’m not bashing SDs who want pay per meet for a few hundred bucks, just saying that not all SBs who have different expectations are unrealistic or scammers. It’s a totally different sandbox that some of us play in, that’s all…”
    Am I the only one who senses the disdain/contempt to SDs who pay “a few hundred bucks” per date – which would be 99% of people here – despite the “not bashing” qualifier…?
    Uncommon, where do I say that I hate you? Oh, please, do not put words on my mouth. I do not hate, I do not know you from Eve, you are just a web persona as we all here are
    I just find it amusing when you try to pull class on me when you have very little of it…

  490. Josh says:

    @VitesseSD

    “If you were a Sugar Mommy that’d be a different story.”

    For women, free money from men is morale booster, and giving money to men is morale reducer.

  491. KeKe says:

    In my experience with women in general thats not the case. My theory is it causes an inferiority complex, a belief that the man can’t be controlled/fooled, and god knows what else.

    I have never been successful with a woman without hiding most of those things from them.

    @Vitesse inferiority complex maybe but not always from a need to control. When my Lover talks of all he has done, places he’s been I’m in awe. I don’t want to control him. He tells me very casually that I would love Italy. So I say take me. He goes, of course. Lol I do feel pretty damn lucky to have met him and he feels the same.

  492. UncommonSB says:

    *living* my life…

  493. UncommonSB says:

    @Vit

    I’m not sure that I’ve ever stated my value was related to business success? If you’re referring to @rem’s post, that’s all him. He takes every possible opportunity to misconstrue and inject heavy condescending sarcasm into his responses when I comment on anything, even when they are not addressed to him. Something about me makes him seethe and lash out at me constantly, while I’m happily live my life.

  494. VitesseSD says:

    @UncommonSB

    In all fairness to rembodler your value as a SB is not related to your success in business (beyond being well spoken, educated and classy).

    If you were a Sugar Mommy that’d be a different story.

  495. UncommonSB says:

    @rem Haters are going to hate. For whatever reason, you’re a hater. Sending you peace, love and happiness!

  496. rembodler says:

    @Uncommon
    Always make me smile, you trying to pull that “different sandbox” card…yes, we heard about your extraordinary business skills and no, most of us cannot care less about these or think they are worth an extra penny. If I need a business consultant, I will hire one.

  497. VitesseSD says:

    @Kenna
    “Most good SBs want a SD who is more well read, more intelligent, more sophisticated, more worldly, more cultured, more refined than anyone else in their world; ideally someone they can look up to and learn from.”

    In my experience with women in general thats not the case. My theory is it causes an inferiority complex, a belief that the man can’t be controlled/fooled, and god knows what else.

    I have never been successful with a woman without hiding most of those things from them.

  498. KeKe says:

    You ladies are on another level. May I be your apprentice? Lol

  499. KeKe says:

    Hmmmm

  500. UncommonSB says:

    @Kenna “the supervisor at Wells Fargo may work for some SBs as a step up; for others- he may be socially beneath her.”

    Well said. I’m not bashing SDs who want pay per meet for a few hundred bucks, just saying that not all SBs who have different expectations are unrealistic or scammers. It’s a totally different sandbox that some of us play in, that’s all.

  501. VitesseSD says:

    @rembodler
    “Only a woman with extraordinary confidence will think that she is going to get 12 month worth of allowance from you.”

    Interesting take on things, now I have to ponder that.

    When I pick a POT I really want things to work out, my standards are absurdly high so finding someone is not easy. If offering a month of allowance upfront could hurt my chances of things working out with someone who’s issue is low self confidence that sucks.

  502. KennaKenna says:

    @Uncommon
    “It’s not as appealing to be more worldly and have a higher level of business experience than your SD.”

    Omg, yessss! Most good SBs want a SD who is more well read, more intelligent, more sophisticated, more worldly, more cultured, more refined than anyone else in their world; ideally someone they can look up to and learn from.

    So I’ll add something to what @Uncommon said, the supervisor at Wells Fargo may work for some SBs as a step up; for others- he may be socially beneath her.

  503. KeKe says:

    @Online…I get that both parties are feeling each other out so that no one ends up getting scammed. And in my experience ( albeit extremely limited) the less I ask for the more has been given to me.

  504. UncommonSB says:

    @ONSD “she’ll have the confidence to know the SD sees her value and will make sure she doesn’t need to look for added money, affection or mentoring…”

    True, but it’s not simply about confidence when evaluating what an SD’s budget or method of showing generosity is, it’s also about avoiding Johns posing as SDs. Some SBs have a Ross and Target level lifestyle without an SD, therefore a $ per meet that allows her to buy a Michael Kors handbag or pay her car insurance is big time, which is perfectly fine. SBs who already live a Bloomingdale’s and Nordstrom lifestyle without an SD won’t find that sort of thing an attractive option or upgrade at all.

    And on a side note, affection and mentoring do have some value. Just because it’s technically casual doesn’t mean you shouldn’t want to feel genuine affection and admiration. It’s not as appealing to be more worldly and have a higher level of business experience than your SD.

  505. KeKe says:

    I truly don’t like p4p. It has nothing to do with being confident. For me it’s more that I’m not use to someone giving me so much money for my company. I honestly internally cringe every time my Lover gives me money. I’ve even had to tell him he was doing to much. I saw him a couple days apart and he was giving me more cash! (I know bad SB). He finally picked up on it and it usually ends up in my purse. Plus he was giving me money regardless if we have sex or not so it feels less like a transaction. Now that we are officially serious he is more of a GB as Struggle would say.

  506. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @KeKe – it’s a balancing act for BOTH SD and SB in the initial stages of the courtship…both trying to determine if the other is legit…the less demanding both parties are initially, the more smooth the beginning will flow…a SB might get literally screwed…a SD might get scammed or overpay for what he receives…both are looking for the best deal for what they want…

    My longer-term arrangements in the past always started out flexible…

  507. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @rem has it exactly right…the woman with the confidence to understand it’s a two-way street to keep things going won’t care how she gets her allowance and/or gifts, because she’ll have the confidence to know the SD sees her value and will make sure she doesn’t need to look for added money, affection or mentoring…

  508. KeKe says:

    @Rem I feel there is some truth to that. But just like women can be fickle so can men. Just like there are scammer SB’s, I assume and have heard there are fake SD’s out there trying to fuck as many SB’s as possible. Even smart people get con’ed like confident SB’s get used every so often.
    I think if there is genuine chemistry you might accept p4p or gove an allowance.

  509. rembodler says:

    What I am trying to say is that a woman who “knows her worth” – in a true and not in a “beatchie profile” sense of these words – is confident that you will be the one worrying how to keep her.
    And she will be the one who – at some point – will be done with you.

  510. rembodler says:

    @VitSD
    “If you give a girl a month’s allowance early on and she runs she’s doing it for one of two reasons: 1. She could be stupid, choosing 1 months allowance and running over a relationship and 12 months or more of allowance…”

    She is not stupid – she just has no confidence. Only a woman with extraordinary confidence will think that she is going to get 12 month worth of allowance from you. Most women (as perfectly represented in posts above) have no confidence whatsoever and are worried sick you are going to dump them after Date One – that is why they need all of their allowance in advance, so you cannot do that – no matter how lazy and uninspired they are as lovers.
    And since they suspect they probably only going to last a month – why not just take the money and run? And look for another sucker?
    As I said before, the woman who is not like that, cannot care less if you do weekly, monthly or even if you forget once in awhile- she knows you will be back once you sampled her dinners and the allowance that started as X will become X+1/2.
    This is the woman that is worth the allowance. If you find her, you will keep her – but I do not have to tell you that.

  511. KeKe says:

    I don’t like p4p either. But I understand why some prefer it. I think the key is to never rely on sugar. Knowing someone will pay off my debt is nice but if I get tough with myself I can pay it off in a year honestly.

  512. UncommonSB says:

    @Kenna I’m tracking you! We’re on the same page.

  513. UncommonSB says:

    @Jj “Having had allowance arrangements in the past, it has become more the norm for ppm for a number of reasons. Yes, I have had more than one occasion of an SB skipping. ”

    Feeling like you’ve been burned is not obviously a good thing. I understand why some SDs do pay per meet, but it’s not something I’ll ever personally feel comfortable with. I will never consider it. In fact, other than select incidents where someone I’ve dated hands me his card or some cash while we’re out together shopping or on vacation, I don’t like exchanging money at all. This doesn’t mean I don’t expect a generous monthly ‘fun’ budget to be allocated to whatever I choose to spend it on though. I prefer whomever I’m dating to complement and improve my lifestyle naturally from day one, rather than give me cash. And yes, I realize my approach is the exception rather than the rule around here.

  514. KennaKenna says:

    That was just me as Anonymous, sorry- for some reason my name/email fields werent automatically filled in.

  515. Anonymous says:

    I have never done pay per play; I’d just feel awkward if a guy slipped me cash after screwing my brains out.

    But I never needed cash, 2 of my arrangements started with generous surprise gifts before it evolved into allowance. Only one fronted but we’d had already been out several times with make-out sessions, etc. with no demands from me.

    I like to get to know someone, enjoy some dates before being intimate and I think that is part of the reason all my past arrangements/relationships have been 1 year+. I always told POTs I don’t sleep with people I know, let’s get to know each other first- I also never bring up money BUT I maybe shopping and send them a photo of a few items asking them what they prefer to wear on next date from store; usually they end up sending gift card, PayPal, etc.

  516. Jj says:

    @note to self…. remember to double space so site does not cram it into run on paragraph. got it

  517. Jj says:

    @Uncommon… Having had allowance arrangements in the past, it has become more the norm for ppm for a number of reasons. Yes, I have had more than one occasion of an SB skipping. Explaining my position with pot SB’s has allowed for a beginning of monthly allowance allocated in a per meet basis to begin and progress to weekly, etc…
    I tend to be generous with my girl in the gift department and enjoy seeing them have and choose nice things! (note to KeKe, he may enjoy your picking something nice that he enjoys see you in as well). The difficulty is, that of late, the last 5+ years, when transitioning to weekly, biweekly, and their being fully informed of transition; not having achieved monthly of late, the SB’s tend to think it was just a “bonus” of her allowance allowance, and lead me to think that I enjoy treating them with gift, that the bonus is due; I guess. Back to ppm, with an occasional “bonus” for special events; and gifts of course.

  518. rembodler says:

    Really, all this talk of a month vs. pay-per-date…
    Most women who did not care about it either way always turned out to be the ones who you could give two months of advance and get back an unused portion, if any. And I never got my allowance worth with those girls who insisted on “fronting”. My experience with “fronting” is, however, limited as I learned early on not to do it and have yet to regret it.

  519. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Vit – you’re right…if it’s not local to me, asking for a recommendation IS a form of a test for me. You’re right, there are way too many ways for me to find a place that’s casual dining without being a chain.

    I would rather the first meeting be coffee…sometimes it’s a hoot to see her face when I meet her at the “alternative” coffee shop where I still feel comfortable in shirt and tie, but the tatts, piercings and gauges crowd can reveal some trouble earlier on than at the Starbucks…

    Otherwise…when I recommend something that’s casual, and she shows up in a hoochie skirt and tube top…not a good experience for me…

  520. ss1959 says:

    @hototrot: “Got a date Thursday. He wants me to choose the meetup place. I prefer the man choose, but OK.”

    I always invite the POT SB to choose the venue for the first meet to allow her to choose someplace that is convenient, safe, and comfortable for her.

  521. VitesseSD says:

    @HoToTrot
    “it’s always better when a guy chooses. Helps you to know him a little bit.”

    What the guy chooses can easily be a test. If I ask a woman to choose for a first meeting its so she feels comfortable, or because I don’t know the area (even then I have my ways, but if I’m feeling lazy its her choice). What you choose could be a test too.

  522. VitesseSD says:

    @ONSD
    “then, snap a picture of you in your potential outfit and ask if it’s an alright outfit for that place”

    Personally I’d prefer if she just showed up in something appropriate. Asking seems…

    On the other hand, I’d never take a SB to a place that was more than a smart casual dress code on a first date.

    There are some real hole in the wall places with fantastic food out there, seeing a date turn up her nose at a place like that because they’re very casual is a solid warning sign for me.

  523. HoToTrot says:

    @OnlineNewbieSD

    This guy seems somewhat refined. Not the “fun” type. I didn’t pick anything quirky. Don Draper style setting. I love Mad Men. But, it’s always better when a guy chooses. Helps you to know him a little bit.

  524. VitesseSD says:

    @gentleman

    “4 visits /month adds up to apartment rent or car payment-or tuition.”

    I’ll agree that if there is a commitment of x meetings a month its a different deal.

    But 300 and no certainty of future meetings is a different deal.

    There has to be some trust though, and if a woman is the type to run off after getting a month’s allowance, its best to know early on.

    If you give a girl a month’s allowance early on and she runs she’s doing it for one of two reasons:

    1. She could be stupid, choosing 1 months allowance and running over a relationship and 12 months or more of allowance.

    2. She could be a scammer, doing that to as many men as possible, to which I ask, do you want that in your life? Isn’t 1-5k worth it to avoid the drama?

    Not to mention any scammer that regularly fucks POTs and takes their 1 month of allowance is really no different from an escort. Certainly not someone you want to force a relationship with.

  525. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @uncommon – I, for one blog SD, talk of starting from an allowance perspective…but there’s NO WAY I’m fronting a monthly allowance…happened ONCE, she disappeared quicker than a politician’s moral compass…

    I’m comfortable with a weekly allowance…I “budget” that to be what I would be comfortable with in a p2p situation (to start)…if she flakes out after the first time we’re intimate, I was able to have some fun (hopefully)…if she proves she’s interested in the arrangement by continuing to communicate and stretches things into weeks, it increases…when she’s shown the longevity of a “relationship” over a couple of months, then I’m more comfortable giving more or the same with less frequent ‘payments’ (meaning bi-weekly or monthly allowance)…

    It’s just like hiring an employee…you don’t start them at the top of the payscale, or pay them their first month’s pay before they’ve started working…

  526. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @hototrot – For me, choosing the place is important for the SB’s comfort…I like for her to at least give me a more specific location than the city she’s in (even in my area it can be 20-30 minutes across town, so having a location easy for her can be a big deal)…but that also leaves me the research for the dress code of the place (only takes one time for someone to show up looking “professional” – read, stripper)…

    Here’s a GREAT boost for any SB…when the SD recommends a place, go online to their site…see the pictures of what people are wearing, how the atmosphere will be…then, snap a picture of you in your potential outfit and ask if it’s an alright outfit for that place…it will show your pot SD you’re willing to do some work to make things right for him…it might just swing from P2P to allowance?!

  527. hototrot says:

    Got a date Thursday. He wants me to choose the meetup place. I prefer the man choose, but OK.

  528. Promise says:

    Does anyone else hate that show The Doctors?

  529. hototrot says:

    @KeKe
    @Keke “I can’t believe that men are paying 5000 for companionship with sex. Clearly they are but it’s still surprising.”

    I see it all of the time. I live in a high rent area in Manhattan surrounded by big spenders. It’s cheaper than marriage or a serious relationship. And they’re in the driver’s seat. I’d say it’s a bargain really. Back home, that would be a lot of money. Not here.

  530. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “I can’t believe that men are paying 5000 for companionship with sex. Clearly they are but it’s still surprising.”

    Few men have that level of disposable income, but it happens all the time actually. It’s just how most autumn/spring relationships go in real life. 9 times out of 10 when you see a young, beautiful woman out with a significantly older man… he’s spoiling her (paying her bills, shopping, etc), they just don’t call it an arrangement.

  531. KeKe says:

    I can’t believe that men are paying 5000 for companionship with sex. Clearly they are but it’s still surprising.

  532. UncommonSB says:

    @Jj “And therein lies the two sided issue of “guarantee” in adhearance of arrangement”

    Exactly, there is a strong case on both sides for allowance vs pay per meet. An SB who accepts PPM is no risk for the SD, and an SD who offers allowance (even bi-weekly) is less risk for an SB who’s seeking a dependable ongoing arrangement.

  533. gentleman soul says:

    @ Jj
    “…because a monthly amount is not what’s being offered or guaranteed.” And therein lies the two sided issue of “guarantee” in adhearance of arrangement …. hmmmmm just say’n

    It all boils down to trust -who flinches first ? In a weekly arrangement, neither party is out much if the other doesn’t honor that weeks deal. If a Daddy pays in advance for the month ,there is a much larger sum at risk

  534. Jj says:

    “…because a monthly amount is not what’s being offered or guaranteed.” And therein lies the two sided issue of “guarantee” in adhearance of arrangement …. hmmmmm just say’n

  535. gentleman soul says:

    @Uncommon

    “SBs will evaluate the pay per meet $ accordingly, not what it COULD add up to, because a monthly amount is not what’s being offered or guaranteed.”

    True . But –I don’t think many guys will pay $thousands up front to a new Baby trusting that she will uphold her end of the bargain . We’ve talked about this many times . Even @Sexy admitted a guy would have to be crazy to do that -at least at first .

    In your experience Ladies ,have any of you had a Daddy who wrote a check for several thousand on the come ? Perhaps Fly Boy would toss off $5000 as chump change just as I would a few hundred . I would admit that my cup would run over if I inked that deposit . It’s all about money -at least to get in the door .

  536. Ebony says:

    Hi i am new to this site and to the entire SD dating idea and i need serious help please can someone come to my rescue

  537. HoToTrot says:

    I don’t like bargaining sex like it’s product on a shelf. Everyone values their sexuality differently. A exquisitely beautiful girl might give it up for $100 a pop and an ugly hag might not do it for less than $1000. I don’t think either is wrong.

  538. HoToTrot says:

    I don’t get the controversy. Just like you can’t change someone’s physical preference to fit your agenda, a girl has a right to set her arrangement cost at what she feels comfortable. A guy has a choice to either take it or leave it. You’re not just paying for sex, you’re paying for an experience. Want emotionally cheap sex, there’s always the escort option. Remember escorts provide just one function. SB’s have to multi-taskers. Think about it.

  539. UncommonSB says:

    @gentleman “but $300 /visit x 4 visits /month adds up to apartment rent or car payment-or tuition”

    For SBs who are looking for a little help with rent and misc expenses, I agree that $1200 would be significant to them. However, many blog SDs are opposed to monthly allowances and prefer pay per meet. SBs will evaluate the pay per meet $ accordingly, not what it COULD add up to, because a monthly amount is not what’s being offered or guaranteed.

  540. Brandon says:

    Yes

  541. KeKe says:

    My take on the $300/visit. This scenario works quite well for SD/SB . Just like there are practical and up arrangements there are those who need less. Shit some of these females would have sex with these guys if no money was involved.

  542. gentleman soul says:

    @Vitesse

    “I’m trying to think of what you can buy for 300 bucks that’d be worth doing that and drawing a blank.”

    You are missing the point Vit. You are perhaps richer or more generous than the rest of us ,but $300 /visit x 4 visits /month adds up to apartment rent or car payment-or tuition. I’m with Rem on this one . I have never paid more than $300 for Hotties-usually $150 -250. Although now I am struggling mostly due to a lack of freedom to court in public.

  543. UncommonSB says:

    “I’ll agree with the sentiment that 300 for sex with a man 30 years older is not a fantastic offer. Maybe its a good offer for a prostitute, but for a SB? No… I’m trying to think of what you can buy for 300 bucks that’d be worth doing that and drawing a blank.”

    LMFAO

  544. KeKe says:

    @Online… thanks for the insight. Next time he brings it up. I’ll lay it out there and see what happens. I’ll let you and Vitesse know how things go.

  545. Promise says:

    @Josh I know you do not call yourself Guru on SA. XD

  546. rich linda says:

    Yes

  547. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @GP – thanks for the concern…I do purchase at a different location, closer to me than her…but…maybe THAT’s a IRL option for a SD? Buy a bigger than normal gift card at a place because of the hottie behind the counter…hahaha

  548. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @ONSD
    “It’s weird though, when you ask for more than $25 as a gift card at a coffee shop, they look at you funny across the counter”
    Question. Do you purchase the >$25 Gift card at the same place she enjoys her coffee? Just curious, since the staff would likely remember that card and know where she got it. I suspect you are more careful/alert than that, but I am curious.

  549. Natasha says:

    Really love this site,I just need a friend.

  550. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @KeKe – you may find, if he wants to see the statements for the debt, that he is actually ENCOURAGED by the situation with you…think about how some of us SDs have talked about wanting a woman that we can give a hand up to, rather than a hand out…if you have medical and vehicle debt (or school debt) those are more “responsible” debts than bags and clothes and shoes and dinners and drinks for friends!

    As I told student, when I gave her another gift card to her favorite coffee shop “let me know when this runs out…I want to buy you your coffee so you think of me when you’re drinking it…” She looked at me and said, “I’ll make sure it’s MY coffee and not everyone’s coffee”…see…SHE understands…

    It’s weird though, when you ask for more than $25 as a gift card at a coffee shop, they look at you funny across the counter 😉

  551. KeKe says:

    @Vitesse Got it. Don’t over think. He’s definitely not heartless. He’s’so freaking sweet. I had to put my foot down and say no to more clothes for the kids. They didn’t need what he bought and he had just gave me money two days prior.

  552. @VitesseSD says:

    @KeKe

    A guy would have to be pretty heartless to think badly of someone for having debt from medical bills. Same goes for car repairs. Don’t over think it imo, and make it clear you don’t expect him to pay it off all at once.

  553. KeKe says:

    @Vitesse…I know. I know. I also don’t want him to have a bad opinion of me. We have moved from dating to serious. He’s officially my boyfriend. But no it was not all accumulated buying “stuff”. A lot is medical bills and car repairs. I need to get over myself.

  554. @VitesseSD says:

    Also nobody has ever died of embarrassment. The crucial part of your post was where you said he’d pay it off.

  555. @VitesseSD says:

    @KeKe

    “And I can’t tell him because he will demand the statement, look at me like I’m crazy, pay it off (fussing the whole time) and I’ll die of embarrassment. Lol”

    If you didn’t acquire the debt buying shoes I don’t see what there is to be embarrassed about. He’s certainly not dating you for your money. You’d also be far better off with no debt than a few bags and shoes. Your debt certainly isn’t out of this world.

  556. KeKe says:

    @Rem… your welcome. I hope your a hell of a lay too.

  557. rembodler says:

    I am at least 25 years older than all of my SBs that stop traffic.
    Wow…I am hot $hit…simply wow… Thanks, guys…

  558. KeKe says:

    Close to 12K.

  559. KeKe says:

    @Vitesse… And I can’t tell him because he will demand the statement, look at me like I’m crazy, pay it off (fussing the whole time) and I’ll die of embarrassment. Lol

  560. @VitesseSD says:

    @KeKe

    I know its generally rude to ask these things, but how much debt do you have?

  561. KeKe says:

    @Vitesse… I’ve mentioned it when we first started dating. He gives me money. He’s just not aware of how much debt I have.

  562. sexyrockstar says:

    @rem
    I’m a size ten, stop traffic, make men and women drop their jaws and my per date offerings….

    …500 dollars was the lowest I’ve ever been offered.

  563. @VitesseSD says:

    @rembodler
    “Are you telling me a man wrote that?”

    I’ll agree with the sentiment that 300 for sex with a man 30 years older is not a fantastic offer. Maybe its a good offer for a prostitute, but for a SB? No.

    Am I a man? Yep.

    I’m trying to think of what you can buy for 300 bucks that’d be worth doing that and drawing a blank.

  564. KeKe says:

    @Rem… you are married and 20+ years older than your SB’s? How often do you meet in a month?

  565. @VitesseSD says:

    @KeKe

    “I would honestly rather he just pay off my credit card. Which I guess would be considered ” a substantial allowance””

    He wouldn’t have to pay it off in one shot. You could ask him for help with them rather than paying them off. Just mention the debt the next time he offers imo.

  566. rembodler says:

    “$300 a meet for sex with a man 20-30 years older a sweet deal? Usually married at that……lol”
    Are you telling me a man wrote that? Basically, saying something is wrong with the (@above)?

    I know the below will sound pretty bad and I apologize profusely – but I never had arrangements for more than that. And I am into size 2 cute girls that everyone would want, I only want them if they stop traffic (they do).
    wow…Maybe I am just that hot of a $hit. Thanks, mum and dad…

  567. FatB'StardSA says:

    @gtt_envy

    “I still say guys are more delusional and most are looking to pay Backpage prices with the perceived safety of a coed girl vs a full-time “working girl”.

    $300 a meet for sex with a man 20-30 years older a sweet deal? Usually married at that……lol”

    I can see a rich man spending money to have a full time/on call exclusive mistress/gf but if you have to spend an amount where $300 per meet is “LOL” low in addition to the cost of an elaborate date for a SB then you need to talk to a professional. You are probably suffering from low self esteem.

  568. KeKe says:

    @Vitesse… I like fashion. I just felt uncomfortable spending so much on a money on things I didn’t need or was in love with. I told him if I really really wanted something I would let him know. He seemed to understand but I felt like I had ruined an experience for him until he bought the kids something. I would honestly rather he just pay off my credit card. Which I guess would be considered ” a substantial allowance”. Lol I’m pretty sure he would but I need to get over being embarrassed that it’s so high. Lol

  569. @VitesseSD says:

    @KeKe

    “Is there an SB class I need to take? I think I’m missing a gene.”

    Part of it is him wanting to spoil you right? He’s probably assuming you like fashion etc. If thats not what you’re into drop some hints about what you would like. Honestly it could be furniture and he’d probably be cool with it.

    I agree that generally fashion is a bit of a waste, but you’ve got options: electronics (laptop, phone, tablet, TV), appliances, down-payment on a house so you can stop renting, almost everything in this world costs money, figure out what you need or would benefit from most. Then next time he asks what you need, tell him without any pressure, the worst he can do is say no. I’d have a much higher opinion of a woman who asked me for money for an actual need rather than another purse or pair of shoes.

  570. @VitesseSD says:

    @SouthernSB
    “I seem to be having a problem. I can get SBs to talk to me but I can’t seem to get to the first meeting. I don’t know what the heck is going on, but it seems like they are putting me to some kind of test and I keep failing. Can anybody help me?”

    Could you post one of the shorter conversations here (names changed)? Perhaps something will stand out.

  571. @VitesseSD says:

    Incoming wall of text because of how much I had to reply to.

    @Promise @HoToTrot

    @Promise
    “What do you mean my “you bitches”? Do I fall under this label?”
    No you don’t fall under that label. I guess I should elaborate. Any guy can be an asshole, and girl can be a bitch, can be but hopefully isn’t.

    Why I see Joan as a bitch in all this is her reaction of “You should have seen the strange looks I received when that little guy with white hair hobbled out of his nice ride.”

    Yup vicious. Given the circumstances under which she said that, thats a woman I’d avoid.

    @HoToTrot
    “Women are judged by looks first and everything else second. Men are judged by achievement/status first and looks second. Because of this dichotomy, sometimes us bitches are insensitive to how some of you guys feel about your looks. Forgive us for not understanding that you want to be valued for not just your personality but your looks as well.”

    Again, I can see how you would have interpreted my initial post as calling you a bitch, that was unintended and not what I meant, sorry.

    As for women being “judged by looks first and everything else second” I’d disagree, strongly. Outside of dating looks and appearance are not something I’d judge a woman on any more than I’d judge a man on the same criteria.

    I’d also like to point out that men are judged on our looks by women all the time. When a study with thousands of data points shows that over 80% of men are rated as below average in looks (80% of men were rated as being below a 2.5/5), I’d say women are quite judgmental.

    If you wouldn’t date someone who’s obese, you cant call men judgmental for doing the same. There are no lineups of women standing around waiting for men who are poor and obese or unattractive.

    The issue here wasn’t that she found him unattractive it’s that she ridiculed him.

    In response to your later post “But do you want to fuck them?”
    I’ll answer with this question: Would you fuck the guy who played George Costanza on Seinfeld? He’s accomplished, a celebrity, rich, funny, probably has a good personality.

    We’ll go through a list of short fat comedians sometime, you can explain to me about how women from everywhere are dropping their panties for them, and not hot young boy band guys.

    “Porn industry and most prostitution is geared 99% towards men for a reason.” This is true. “Women are objectified more. I’m not complaining. Just stating facts.” Nope thats not why, or true.
    The reason is simple, in this society women are the ones who say yes or no, you benefit from that big time. You force men into unequal marriages, you as a rule can marry wealthier men, and in most circumstances control relationships.

    Think of this line: You’re sleeping on the couch tonight.
    What gender said it?
    That’s control. Porn and prostitution is a release from being told no, without men raping you. Women don’t need porn or prostitution nearly as much because they can always get laid. Its not a question of objectification no matter what feminist rant you’ve been listening to, its an escape and a release. Countries and cultures with the highest rape rates tend to be the ones with the least porn and the most stigma against prostitution.

    Objectification my ass, nobody is saying you’re not a person or that women are not people.

    “We have entire industries in place to make women more beautiful.”
    Women buy makeup, for themselves, men don’t buy it we don’t have the first damn clue about it. Fashion? Men have it too.

    I might as well complain about having to groom myself, sure I do it so I’m attractive, but you women should stop objectifying me!

    Wait your grooming takes longer so you’re being objectified while my grooming time is shorter so I’m not being objectified? Now I’m confused. Does that mean those guys who spend an hour on their hair and tan every day in addition to going to the gym for an hour or more every day to stay in shape are being objectified? Is objectification a question of how much time and resources are spent to make yourself look better? If so I could horrify you with the cost of protein powders, creatine, amino acids, gym memberships etc. My time in the gym > your time doing makeup.

    I guess those are not industries in place to make men more beautiful.

  572. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “@REM

    the perfect man has women willing to pay to have sex with him

    the desired man has sex for free ( or so he thinks)

    the quality man has sex with an sb who is comfortable with him

    the nasty, obnoxious, weird or semi dangerous man has sex with a hooker whose standard is simply returning unharmed

    to compare the rates without the other factors is nonsense”

    Madame talks rates while berating men. Brilliant indeed.

  573. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    “gtt is a man.”

    Do you have a proof?

    The only thing we know that it is someone who claims to be a man similar to @flyR and @FlyGirl.

  574. KeKe says:

    I swear I was thinking, ” I need to channel @Kenna while I’m up in here” lol

  575. KeKe says:

    @Georgia… I don’t need another purse but I should have gotten one. I think he was disappointed when we left.

  576. flyR says:

    rates should have been “rates” as I think the whole exercise is folly because they are simply not comparable

  577. Josh says:

    @KennaKenna

    “@rem I’m confused… Isn’t @gtt a SD?”

    Writes like an SD.

  578. flyR says:

    @REM

    the perfect man has women willing to pay to have sex with him

    the desired man has sex for free ( or so he thinks)

    the quality man has sex with an sb who is comfortable with him

    the nasty, obnoxious, weird or semi dangerous man has sex with a hooker whose standard is simply returning unharmed

    to compare the rates without the other factors is nonsense

  579. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @KeKe
    LOL. You should have gone for the purse. Ask Kenna. LOL

  580. KeKe says:

    @gtt is a man.

  581. KeKe says:

    Okay. What the fuck is wrong with me. Me and my Lover spent an awesome day together. Breakfast followed by a walk up and down the lake. We drive around the city with his top down and then he takes me to dinner at a traditional German restaurant. The whole day, every time we past a mall he asks me if I need anything. Me: No, I don’t need anything (and I truly don’t). So we are up by this “high end” fashion outlet. He asked me again if I need anything. I don’t but I’ve never been so I say let’s go. We went inside Michael Kors, Torry Burch, Prada, Gucci, coach, Aldo. Every store… You see anything you want. Me: No. But inside I’m like Yes, YES, YES!!!.
    I couldn’t do it. I couldn’t spend his money on things I liked but didn’t love just to spend it. The shit was crazy expensive. I know how frugal he is but I could see him getting frustrated with me. I was starting to get nervous and I felt like I was doing some weird female sabotage. We went into Tommy Hilfiger and he basically asked what sized my son wore and starting looking for things. He ended up getting him a way too expensive shirt and my daughter a jacket. I could tell he felt happy that I got something. But they honestly didn’t need the stuff.

    Is there an SB class I need to take? I think I’m missing a gene.

  582. IHF2030 says:

    Alot of women seem to think that they have the keys to Fort Knox between their legs. But, at least that provides some entertainment.

  583. KennaKenna says:

    @rem I’m confused… Isn’t @gtt a SD?

  584. rembodler says:

    @gtt_envy
    “…$300 a meet for sex with A MAN…”
    Darling, that is where your escorting nature comes out. It is just sex for you with “a man”. Any man. I agree – if that is all there is to you…stick with your Backpage ads and entertain “any man” that comes through your doors. Just do not pretend to be something else, as your true colors will show.

  585. flyR says:

    Hot2Trot

    Just kidding …….

  586. flyR says:

    @Remb – Agree – I just find the the the “I’m so hot ” women usually are not. Their librarian, engineering and nursing students are generally more selective, hotter, more adventuresome , more intellectual . Lots of exceptions but this approach has served well for a decade.

  587. HoToTrot says:

    @flyr

    Hot To Trot

  588. gtt_envy says:

    The ones that pick High allowance are delusional.

    I still say guys are more delusional and most are looking to pay Backpage prices with the perceived safety of a coed girl vs a full-time “working girl”.

    $300 a meet for sex with a man 20-30 years older a sweet deal? Usually married at that……lol

  589. IHF2030 says:

    Well, after spending a short time on this site I have come to conclusion that alot of women are downright delusional.

  590. rembodler says:

    @flyR
    I think you should’ve gleaned from my post that I do not disagree. It is just that the selection of 20yo is not unlimited on SA and the best are desired by many (including their young hot classmates). In choosing to be with an imperfect 20yo vs none @all I always- predictably and unfailingly – chose the former.

  591. flyR says:

    is that Ho To Trot or hot to trot

    “”ust got off phone with nice gentlemen POT. Interesting convo. He sounded very dad like. A-sexual. Maybe he might be the no-sex unicorn of SB lore??? I’ll soon find out.””

    Also older POT may not be as comfortable talking about sex with someone he has not met. I would bet on that before the asexual answer.

    @ Rembo – my experience is that the “average” 20YO might fit your description but that the desirable ones are those who do not run with the herd and generally have broader range of interests.

  592. HoToTrot says:

    @SouthernSB

    I’d keep the online conversation to minimum. A few messages than set a date to meet. Keeps the curiosity factor up.

  593. HoToTrot says:

    Just got off phone with nice gentlemen POT. Interesting convo. He sounded very dad like. A-sexual. Maybe he might be the no-sex unicorn of SB lore??? I’ll soon find out.

  594. SouthernSB says:

    I meant I can’t get SDs to meet me. I’m not gay but if I were I’m sure I would have the same problem.

  595. SouthernSB says:

    @all-I seem to be having a problem. I can get SBs to talk to me but I can’t seem to get to the first meeting. I don’t know what the heck is going on, but it seems like they are putting me to some kind of test and I keep failing. Can anybody help me?

  596. rembodler says:

    @flyR
    “…didn’t anybody have sex last night ?”
    Yes. But it was not all that great, I had to do all the work.
    and listen to all that staff 20-somes do when they are with their peers on Friday night (whatever they can recall the next day, that is).

  597. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “All this Sunday morning vitriolic babble………….. didn’t anybody have sex last night ?”

    Don’t you have some SBs to peddle this beautiful Sunday morning, madame?

  598. Josh says:

    @HoToTrot,

    “But do you want to fuck them?”

    That is a separate question.

  599. HoToTrot says:

    No. But, I did the night before.

  600. flyR says:

    All this Sunday morning vitriolic babble………….. didn’t anybody have sex last night ?

  601. HoToTrot says:

    “Look up Jeremy Meeks a felon who had over 100k likes and has now signed multiple modeling contracts.

    Looks trump all!!”

    Insanely gorgeous people will always win. We’re talking about society in general where most people are average at best. We have entire industries in place to make women more beautiful. It ain’t for nothing. Porn industry and most prostitution is geared 99% towards men for a reason. Women are objectified more. I’m not complaining. Just stating facts.

  602. HoToTrot says:

    Nebraska in the house!! I’m originally from the Midwest. I miss home…sometimes.

  603. gtt_envy says:

    Look up Jeremy Meeks a felon who had over 100k likes and has now signed multiple modeling contracts.

    Looks trump all!!

  604. HoToTrot says:

    @Josh

    “As usual you have it ass-backwards. Elizabeth Holmes (and other accomplished women) could look butt ugly but would not be judged by their looks.”

    But do you want to fuck them?

  605. HoToTrot says:

    @Josh

    Referencing my profile? Hahaha Very cute. Sometimes my money, sometimes his money. Does it matter? It’s just dinner.

  606. gtt_envy says:

    Of course as you age and looks fade then it’s stature, wealth, accomplishmennt, and impact.

  607. gtt_envy says:

    I disagree both sexes are judged by their looks.

    I’ve seen many a good looking loser get plenty of tail worshipping the ground they walk on.

    With all of the subsects moving away from gross opulence in the US looks, attraction, and compatibility are becoming more important.

    In sugar $$$$ matters first allowance usually trumps all, but real life a really hot guy who is a low achiever isn’t hurting for attractive women at all.

  608. Josh says:

    @HotToTrot

    How often do you eat at The Carlyle with your own money?

  609. Josh says:

    @HoToTrot

    Women are judged by looks first and everything else second. Men are judged by achievement/status first and looks second.”

    As usual you have it ass-backwards. Elizabeth Holmes (and other accomplished women) could look butt ugly but would not be judged by their looks.

    The reality is that most women have not much to offer to society except their vagina, child-bearing abilities, and possibly good looks to be a playmate.

  610. Josh says:

    @Sugar Baby,

    “I say what I mean, and mean what I say.”

    If you were an accomplished woman (read up Elizabeth Holmes and other accomplished women) then the above would have any meaning whatsoever. Otherwise, you sound like a bad news to me.

    You are decent-looking…still few more years to go. Try to find a dumb provider man and settle down. Sugar is going to be difficult for you unless you read up, and thoroughly soak in, what @SexyRockstar writes, drop your “I say what I mean, and mean what I say” nonsense and are willing to be a great actress to please the SD.

    Best of luck in life!

  611. Jj says:

    @SugarBaby…. Everyone has been hung up on the latest babble between the sexes. Your photos are great and a very good start for attracting attention, but your profile is in serious need of rework, def not revision… rework, like start over and turn it towards the gent you wish to meet. Suggest you seek out assist from SexyRockstar, if you ask nicely, and her blog, Kenna, Online, Struggles. Appears that you are dealing with a second language issue and likely need to tune profile accordingly. Good luck and you will do fine in the sugar bowl. :)

  612. rembodler says:

    @Hot
    I am a pretty good reader, something has to rub off. You do not need to eat cheese doodles or watch Real Housewives to know how it feels. I suspect drinking wine and writing on the blog is a similar time wasting activity and that is what I do now. Once in a while you meat a great SB and when she is (inevitably) gone, she spoils that little fun for you. So you wish you could just watch TV and eat cheese doodles.
    BTW, I respect you showing your real face on the blog.

  613. HoToTrot says:

    @Vitesse
    “I doubt that, the issue here is you’re not seeing how vicious you bitches can be. Imagine if a guy said the following about a woman”

    Women are judged by looks first and everything else second. Men are judged by achievement/status first and looks second. Because of this dichotomy, sometimes us bitches are insensitive to how some of you guys feel about your looks. Forgive us for not understanding that you want to be valued for not just your personality but your looks as well.

  614. Promise says:

    @VitesseSD What do you mean my “you bitches”? Do I fall under this label?

  615. Promise says:

    Do people still eat chips?

  616. HoToTrot says:

    @rem
    @Joan
    Sorry, Istay corrected… I was wrong.Silver Fox SD was indeed driving his Ferrari, except that it all happened in your mind, between the two back-to-back episodes of “The Real Housewives”, when you had to replenish your supply of cheese doodles. You were passing by the mirror, admired yourself and thought
    “oh boy, do I look skinny…” And the story was born. Thank you for sharing.

    I don’t normally like your banter. Not just because i don’t agree. You usually sound like a dim bulb. But, here you actually infused a little wit. I like witty! I don’t agree, but you were actually a fun read here. Perhaps, you know little more about “Real Housewives” and cheeze doodles than you’d like us to know. Projecting? How do you know so much about what house frumps do? Few men on the go know about such things. LOL

  617. rembodler says:

    @Joan
    “…Apparently his offer is similar to your own and some how you’ve taking my rejection…”
    Joan, even if I were to believe every single word you said…Can’t you see that you did not get any “offer”? The “offer” was made to the photos of yours that may have reflected how you looked 10 years earlier and 30 pounds lighter… Once the guy saw u in person, he run, or as you “eloquently” put, hobbled out of there as fast as he could…what “offer” u r even talking about. I wholeheartedly advise to stick to whatever important activities you do, hopefully they are not SA-related…

  618. VitesseSD says:

    @Joan

    “I really don’t know what I did personally to make you feel less than. Apparently his offer is similar to your own and some how you’ve taking my rejection of his offer as a personal attack on your own ego.”

    I doubt that, the issue here is you’re not seeing how vicious you bitches can be. Imagine if a guy said the following about a woman:
    “Her waist was as big as mine, you could see the cellulite on her legs for miles. She claimed to be 30 but obviously hit the wall and could pass for my grandmother, somehow she thought 10 lbs of makeup would fix this, but all it did was make her look like a cheap prostitute who didnt own a mirror. I told her there was no way I would ever pay someone who looked like her for sex, hell she couldn’t pay me enough to have sex with her. No man could sustain an erection with her without viagra and alcohol.”

    Guys come across women like this all the time, but we’re never that vicious about it. Honestly if Josh is right about your age and weight, I cant imagine anyone wanting to pay you anything, but nobody here is tearing you to shreds over it.

    Get some class.

  619. Josh says:

    @Joan

    “I have other more important activities this evening.”

    “important activities”, such as, blogging on Tumblr?

  620. Joan says:

    @rem

    I really don’t know what I did personally to make you feel less than. Apparently his offer is similar to your own and some how you’ve taking my rejection of his offer as a personal attack on your own ego. Please keep in mind that what I seek is in no way a reflection of what you lack. It’s different strokes for different folks put in simpler terms.

    Remember it’s called mutually beneficial for a reason. If it’s not a benefit to me then it’s not going work. This goes for both sides of any arrangement.

    I wish you and your other friend blogger a pleasant day:)

    Thanks for the chat but I have other more important activities this evening.

  621. rembodler says:

    @Joan
    And how exactly are u better than an escort? Seems like both people who measured you up didn’t really see much of a difference… And went on to see escorts: younger prettier and with less of an attitude?
    Thank you for reminding me to take my birth control pill! You, obviously, no longer need these…

  622. Josh says:

    Sweetheart, depending on genes, and your health regimen, you are either close to expiry or already expired. You might want to focus on finding a dumb provider man and settle down.

  623. Joan says:

    “little guy with white hair hobbled”

    What? That’s what he did he hobbled and he had white hair? Was I supposed to write he strode in on very short legs?

  624. Joan says:

    @ Josh-

    I’m not exactly sure where you live but backpage girls in my area are $250-$400 per hour.

    The two offers are the lowest I’ve received. So sorry I’ve had the 3k SD already but he wasn’t married so maybe that’s what I should really seek out. Unmarried men looking for fun and frolic.

    I’m not interested in escorting but the married men that have contacted me are obviously seeing escorts. They’re in sugar to find a cheaper option which makes sense for them, not for me.

  625. Josh says:

    “little guy with white hair hobbled”

    Isn’t it amazing how women have no filter when being honest about men. However, they expect men to honestly lie as to how beautiful their Avon face, and push-up bra boobs, and Gillette smooth skin are.

  626. Joan says:

    @rem

    Are you on some sort of medication? Imports are not all that uncommon where I live which makes low offers from the same “esteemed” gentlemen less than attractive. I live in an area where the beach is a block or two away. In other words the men live a very nice life here by the coast and they tend to love showing off their toys. Problem is the looks, attitude and just plain decent mannerisms are lacking. In general I don’t regular date where I live because the men are far too rude and arrogant. You know money, power and status can do that but for some reason none of them have a personal trainer on staff.

    I tend to do best with “implants” that come from areas with grey skies, bitter cold winters that would love some warming up.

  627. Josh says:

    @Joan

    Sweetheart, if my math serves me right, you are a 35 year-old, chubby woman.

    I don’t know what your allowance expectations are, but your “worth” has been established by two very different men to be somewhere between $250-$350 per meet in the sugar bowl.

    NOW…you can take it or try you luck on BackPage for around $100-$150 per hour.

  628. Josh says:

    @Sugar Baby,

    Are you here to learn or whine?

  629. Joan says:

    @rembodler

    You declining “what he offers” before you even saw him tells me he won’t regret his decision nor should he.

    What wouldn’t I decline an offer that isn’t what I’m seeking. You should have seen the strange looks I received when that little guy with white hair hobbled out of his nice ride. This is a starbucks I always go to and they looked at him and thought wtf? I tried to play it off but it did feel awkward.

    I’m always going to decline what doesn’t work out for me. Why would I meet him just to hear the same exact offer and then go “no thank you”. If anything that seems rude to do to someone.

    There was another married pot that offered $275 but he’s a 35 year old doctor. I also told him that wouldn’t really work out for me. He understood and didn’t take it personally or try to meet me just to say “fuck you”. Maybe I should stick with the younger more mentally stable types.

    A $25 difference for 32 less years and less stomach sounds reasonable:) Maybe I need to contact that other guy back. lol

    Another pot that’s about 53 offers $2500 per month allowance but I have a feeling he’s looking for you to move in and play Mummy Dearest with his two children. I’m just not ready to take on someone’s children in an arrangement. Still he’s pretty cool to chat with but I feel he’s going through some personal issues that puts him on the fence about doing another arrangement.

  630. Sugar Baby says:

    Hey guys,
    I’m a new member to this site. And was wondering if someone can tell me how long it takes for my photos to be approved. I know it says it may take up to 48 hrs…..but I’d like to hear from other members, to know how long each of you waited for approval.

    I really appreciate the help guys ;-). And also…..any advice for me as a “rookie”? Lol (this should be interesting lol)
    Any advice will be greatly appreciated

  631. Josh says:

    I guess @Rem is correct. He messed up with your diet as well. Now you will eat them cheese doodles with impunity because a 67 year-old grumps just played a few numbers on you, that is, establishing your potential market value, showing off HIS Ferrari, showing off HIS beautiful wife, and telling you how “skinny” you were.

  632. rembodler says:

    @Joan
    Sorry, Istay corrected… I was wrong.Silver Fox SD was indeed driving his Ferrari, except that it all happened in your mind, between the two back-to-back episodes of “The Real Housewives”, when you had to replenish your supply of cheese doodles. You were passing by the mirror, admired yourself and thought
    “oh boy, do I look skinny…” And the story was born. Thank you for sharing.

  633. Josh says:

    How many time do we get men showing up and telling stories of their “high standards.” Yes we got @FunDude for a while, but we don’t get such posts often.

    However, women after women come on the blog and tell how high and mighty their “standards” are.

    What’s up with that?

  634. Joan says:

    @Josh lol. He really did that as a “fuck you?” That’s so sad. Why would he take my rejection so personal? His allowance offer isn’t what I’m seeking. Why can’t it just be that we’re not a match and to move on amicably? I’ve never dated anyone married, in their 50s,60s or pushing 70 for that matter. The allowance offer kinda cinched the ” not going to work for me”. I explained my situation honestly so I’m just baffled that he was feeling so low about his self esteem that he needed to do that. He has a beautiful wife since he put her picture on his profile. I just don’t get it.

  635. Joan says:

    @rembodler

    I did see his pictures and yes it was a real Ferrari. Are you saying that because I turned down his offer he pushed to meet me just to say “you’re not worth $300 for 5 hours of sex and time with a married 67 year old?” I would think his ego wasn’t that low to do a move like that. Then again when he met me he said you want to hang out sometime this week and then 5 mins later said the opposite. Now that I think about it again maybe it was an ego ” I didn’t really want you” move. Perhaps I was giving a 67 year old too much credit in adult behavior.

  636. Josh says:

    @Joan

    Women are pretty thick sometimes (pun intended).

    When you refused his offer, he just felt like telling you to fuck off in person, and he showed up in his (or his buddy’s) Ferrari to say fuck off in a style.

    The thick thing is that you somehow felt it important to mention HIS Ferrari.

    Honey…it was HIS Ferrari…you may be able to buy a Ferrari with your own money maybe in the next 50 years.

  637. Josh says:

    I will watch on YouTube.

  638. rembodler says:

    @Joan
    And when u said “Ferrari”, you meant Buick Regal, right? No worries, we know how to read between the lines…

  639. Melissa says:

    Lol! SD put his money on Mayweather

  640. rembodler says:

    @Joan
    Maybe he thought he offered you aplenty. When u turned it down, he had 30 min to spend, to show you that you aren’t really worth all that much. He might not really care what to tell you, just let you sit there and drink your coffee.
    You declining “what he offers” before you even saw him tells me he won’t regret his decision nor should he.

  641. KeKe says:

    @Promise… lol..your so adorable! I really hope you find an SD.

  642. Joan says:

    Well this was a first. I met a pot today and he stated he requires someone with more meat on their bones. It’s the first time I’ve been considered too skinny.

    The odd thing was that I declined meeting him when he told me what he offers. Then he stated he’d offer more so we met up later just to hear “you’re too skinny” as he immediately got up and drove off in his Ferrari.

    I have to say it was the nicest compliment I’ve been given and I’ll avoid yet another low offer from a 60+ yr old married man in sugar.

  643. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Promise – cute…exactly as I’d expect from you!

  644. Promise says:

    How can Mayweather lose in May weather?

  645. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @PI – not wasting my time or money on two past prime fighters in an archaic sport that’s no longer “major”…

  646. PI Wolf says:

    @AdminJeff,

    Thanks for the quick response.

    @All,

    Pacquiao or Mayweather to win?
    Although I root for PacMan, I think Mayweather will win by Split Decision. Then comes all the noise and complaints! The answer? REMATCH!!! Hahaha. More money.

  647. Promise says:

    FunDude is lucky he missed this.

  648. HoToTrot says:

    No too many people posted as themselves anyways, so I don’t think any of us have to worry too much. It got fixed fast.

  649. HoToTrot says:

    I haven’t done a Saturday matinee in a while. Saw that Ben Stiller movie “While We Were Young”. I was instantly attracted to that actor from “Girls”- Adam Driver. Reminded me of my ex husband. Oh nooo, thought I was over that type!

  650. KeKe says:

    And I was thinking… damn we didn’t nail down a day to met up and I don’t have everyone’s email address. Lol

  651. KeKe says:

    Thank God they fixed things. Lol. I’m talking about being masochistic and shit. I don’t need people peeping at my profile. Lol.

  652. Jj says:

    Brutaly honest profiles
    “I’m a great cook, and my BMI showes it; I’m funny and kind, but if my blood sugar drops, I’ll accuse you of not caring and cry till I am fed!!”

  653. Jj says:

    Trust me… if I could have “walked” when the shyiet hit the fan, I most def would… just say’n the 50% shyiet thingy is a killer for the ambitious of mind… can you spell “greed” just say’n and after 41 years… whoda thunk it!!!

  654. Jj says:

    Brutally honest profiles…
    “Really banking on you having much lower standards than me!”

  655. Jj says:

    Brutally honest profiles…
    “Probable not answer your message, but the validation that random strangers think I’m pretty is nice!”

  656. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Jj

    May 2, 2015 at 3:33 pm
    “Marriage is like a video game. Starts off easy, then gets harder, and eventually you go online and find a way to cheat… Marriage is like the IKEA of relationships. Easy to walk into, confusing to piece together, and difficult to exit.”

    Are you still in that same video game or at that IKEA store? If so, all I have is an “Oh my!” for you. I don’t think marriage was ever intended to be easy, it takes work from BOTH parties. I suppose if you marry someone who is not willing work with you and together as a team, then perhaps an “end” is called for. I can honestly say I never saw my marital relationship as a video game or an IKEA relationship and I feel so very sorry for you if you do. If marriage was as easy to exit as it is to enter, I’d still have to wonder how many would take advantage, simply preferring to cheat or stay where they are, dissatisfied and unhappy.

  657. Jj says:

    “Marriage is like a public toilet.Those waiting outside are desperate to get in.Those inside are desperate to get out”

  658. Jj says:

    “Marriage is like the IKEA of relationships. Easy to walk into, confusing to piece together, and difficult to exit.”

  659. Jj says:

    “Marriage is like a video game.

    Starts off easy, then gets harder, and eventually you go online and find a way to cheat.”

  660. gtt_envy says:

    I think it should be using your account it would get rid of the Noise or go to a traditional VBB format with admins where you can post pics, private msg, ban posters etc etc

  661. Promise says:

    There’s already an ad for open minded all over SA anyways.

  662. Promise says:

    What Josh said.

  663. Melissa says:

    Hi everyone!

  664. Josh says:

    Just remove this blog page completely. Post a new blog.

  665. UncommonSB says:

    Woah, missed a lot! Glad I was busy the past couple of days and didn’t have to deal with my profile being linked for the world to see!

  666. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Jeff…it might be s good idea to remove the links to profiles from prior comments. I agree there are some safety and privacy concerns to those clicking through. I’ve even had a bunch of views on my profile, and I’m not actively looking any more!

  667. KennaKenna says:

    @Promise awwww, you are so sweet :-)

    @rem haha, i love your comments, even though now I’m almost going to be in the old category but I can’t disagree- the younger will always have the advantage in this world.

  668. Promise says:

    @HoT I know ss1959 isn’t. Aside from him I think everyone else is.

  669. rembodler says:

    As for “Shoes, lil dresses and handbags”… Reminds me of the dirty looks other women give to that thin gorgeous cutie that strolls nonchalantly thru the mall. Yea, that dress will not look good in size 16… But let’s call her vain shallow vapid and spoiled. Will make the rest of us feel so much better.

  670. HoToTrot says:

    Are all blog daddies from Michigan. Like, seriously! Who knew?

  671. Promise says:

    @Jj I’ve already had 7 new views from quiet readers of the blog, and I’m not feeling that.

  672. Jj says:

    @ Promise/Candie…”ditto” of our concerns… Admin failed to realize the blog goes round the world and I can foresee a shyiet load of fake troll’r profile emails come into play and crushing loads of spam, harassment, abusive trolls invading the blog due to one’s profile lack of anonymity. just say’n

  673. Promise says:

    @Kenna losing you would’ve been the worst.
    @Jeff seriously though can you please delete the comments I made while logged into SA? It makes me uncomfortable having my profile here.

  674. flyR says:

    Quebec Does your profile include an invitation to hold their hand while they take a walk on the wild side……

  675. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Thought it wasn’t going to let me log out to comment anonymously any more!

  676. QueBee says:

    I’m a very open minded sugar baby in the Windsor, Ontario area… but I’m having a hard time finding like-minded individuals…. too stiff!! Relax and enjoy life!! You Only Live Once!!

  677. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – sorry, small screen, no scrolling…

    I didn’t go that far, but the text is all about helping with profiles, not about sugar..

  678. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @HoToTrot – yeah, I looked, I’ll admit it. I checked out all the links…funny part, all SDs were blank profiles, the SBs were their own profiles…

    @Josh

  679. rembodler says:

    I sincerely appreciate the wisdom and the courage of SA folks to promptly admit the move was not all that hot and reverse it. Also, thanks to a bunch of members who posted their concerns and ruminations.

  680. HoToTrot says:

    Wow, got a bit of profile traffic from a number of folks in Michigan. I live in NYC. Hmmmmm? lol

  681. Josh says:

    @ONSD

    My blog profile is 100 years old and has $100 million in assets.

  682. Josh says:

    @flyR: “I was surprised to see that JucyLucy1 through 7 were already taken .”

    Thanks for finally attempting to post as a woman.

  683. Josh says:

    Jeff, now tell us the real reason why the log in feature was enabled?

  684. flyR says:

    @ confused – It was May Day when all the anarchists are in the streets burning and demanding revolution, the conservatives are at their favorite gun shop and the others at the coffee shop watching CNN or shopping .

  685. flyR says:

    Jeff – thanks for listening …………

    You saved a lot of fictitious profiles from being created . I was surprised to see that JucyLucy1 through 7 were already taken .

  686. Promise says:

    @Jeff Thank you. If you ever do decide to change the comments again though I still highly recommend Disqus. They also let people comment as guests. Also if you can could you please delete the comments I left using my SA profile?

  687. [Administrator] Jeff says:

    I certainly wasn’t intending on causing such a ruckus with this change. I’ve enabled guest comments for those of you who would like to remain anonymous.

    Let me know if there are any particular improvements you’d like to see to the blog.

    You can logout by clicking here

  688. flyR says:

    I’m wondering how all of this will work out .

    Keep in mind that comments on the blog can be searched through google.

    The evil in me says that SA was looking to monetize the information posted here by linking it to profiles

  689. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    My blog profile is the worst I could imagine…shortest, fattest, lowest assets and income…that’s how I’ll leave it for now…don’t need the publicity on my real profile!

  690. Confused Sugar Dad says:

    “…Maybe there was some truth to someone carrying on conversations with multiple profiles?”

    Well, then they (=SA) should’ve sorted it out.
    I understand that my boss and my HR person know exactly what I make. But I would be upset if Jane Nobody can click on my profile and gleefully announce that I am not as wealthy as I think I am. It is none of her business.

  691. PI Wolf says:

    Whoever said – Big Brother – is quite accurate. How else could THE MAN scan to find out which SDs have money to burn ? They want to ban CASH, in order to control all our money – which they can take away with a click on their computers – BASTARDS! Prepare for the 888 markings to come, soon!

  692. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Maybe there was some truth to someone carrying on conversations with multiple profiles?

  693. Confused Sugar Dad says:

    @ONSD “…it’s either that or be open to everything now”..

    Amen, brother. However, this requires some degree of sophistication, and honestly, time investment. One cannot but notice how…sparsely the blog is populated today. I just thought the Honorable Jeff[the Administrator] will see the fruits of this change and may…reconsider or at least provide an easy “decoy” profile option for SA members. I am sure, that is completely within their power to do just that.

  694. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @confused – it’s either that or be open to everything now. I’d prefer this!

  695. Confused Sugar Dad says:

    @ONSD
    “…Just create a separate blog profile, like I did to view blog requests for input on profiles..”

    Not everyone is that computer savvy. Nor should they be.

  696. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I guess this will fix the @fundude being accused of being a girl and the proxy bullshit?

  697. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Just create a separate blog profile, like I did to view blog requests for input on profiles.

    Still somewhat anonymous…

  698. ilovecandie says:

    @Confused They should’ve just gotten Disqus. Then they could moderate, block abusive commenters, delete comments. Also we’d be able to post links, pictures, and gifs with way more ease. We’d be able to change our usernames whenever we wanted on Disqus without having to make a new account, and everyone would still know who’s who because of the pictures in the icons. *Sigh* I’m happy I got Kenna’s email, and Sexy’s blog before the change.

  699. Confused Sugar Dad says:

    @Promise
    “I’m very uncomfortable with this…”
    As you should be. You control your arrangements by dispersing the information about yourself to people you know and mostly locally – not to whoever is on the blog.
    If you do not like someone, you block them. Or if you panic, you have an option of deleting your account altogether if you get a sense someone is stalking you. Now this option is gone. Some creep can learn a lot about you through reading your posts – someone you otherwise would never share it with.

    It is OK if SA wants us to log in, be a Big Brother and monitor what we post – I think this is the real reason. But people should absolutely be given an option to scramble their profiles from other users if they so decide.
    Frankly, I am surprised. I expected better understanding of how things work from professional people like SA crew seems to be…

  700. ilovecandie says:

    Seriously though Kenna is MARRIED to her SD, and HAVING HIS CHILD! Also Sexy’s relationship with hers is turning pretty legit. Both were very willing to help SB’s out

  701. ilovecandie says:

    @DS I did have my picture up, but got rid of it as soon as a saw the change because I don’t want creeps coming on here, and finding me.

  702. DiamondSkye says:

    @GeorgiaPeach
    Thanks

  703. ilovecandie says:

    @SD who are you? I feel like you’re Josh, or ONSD.

  704. DiamondSkye says:

    The nosy girl in me would like to see real faces, why I showed mine. But, I see the huge problem in that. Not a very good idea. But, it might keep jerks at bay.

  705. ilovecandie says:

    I preferred Promise. I’m very uncomfortable with this. Also what about the bloggers that got rid of their profiles? Kenna, and Sexy are huge assets that you’re throwing away.

  706. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    Hi DiamondSkye. I’m with you.
    I liked the GeorgiaPeach name too much. LOL
    Just approved, I’m back to her + 12. LOL
    Nice photo btw.

  707. DiamondSkye says:

    Oh well, I have nothing to hide… this is HoToTrot.

  708. Southern Lady1n1M says:

    Ok, pending approval, I’m back to GeorgiaPeach12 now. I have no real secrets here and I do like that name better for this place. LOL

  709. Sugar Daddy says:

    hahaha… Byebye, Blogie.
    All good things come to an end.
    They seriously think people will want to log in with their real accounts…
    Gimme a break.

  710. Southern Lady1n1M says:

    Yikes. Guess I’m back to SouthernLady1in1M.
    And I was kinda liking Georgia Peach. LOL

  711. Sugar Daddy says:

    I think that SA hired a new MBA who came up with this bright idea of only allowing comments after logging in with SA profile. This is a BAD idea.

  712. Southern Lady1n1M says:

    Ok. I wondered what on earth was going on here.
    Whoa. Ongoing conversation and then….zip – Nothing. LOL

  713. Sugar Daddy says:

    This is NOT a good idea to share your profile on the blog. Just ask people to share their throw away email addresses here instead of acting as a go-between.

  714. [Administrator] Jeff says:

    Each day, dozens of members ask for ways to reach out to other members through our blog comments. Whether to start up a relationship, or to continue a conversation in private.

    In the past, we’ve facilitated the connections, private messaging profiles urls to other members. This change allows you guys to view a profile and send a message directly on the website.

  715. Sugar Daddy says:

    Hmmm. Whatever caused them to change the policy?

  716. [Administrator] Jeff says:

    Hey everyone, we’ve disabled guest posting for our blog. Please use your SeekingArrangement account to join the conversation!

  717. ilovecandie says:

    Oooh yes they did…damn.
    Btw this is Promise.

  718. ilovecandie says:

    I think SA just added a new feature. ???

  719. rembodler says:

    @KeKe
    Do not take it personally. I am sure there are 70 year olds somewhere out there that are enjoying their gold anniversary and screwing like rabbits. More power to them.
    If the gent of the said couple will try convincing me that his “old girl” is prettier than that college student sunbathing next to us, I will nod politely. I am a very civil person when I not on the blog. Still, once he is not saying “prettier to me”, his statement will be technically incorrect as the whole wide world out there (including me, politely nodding) will disagree.

  720. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @KeKe and @HotToTrot
    I think you’re both right.
    From age, you can get experience.
    Experience can also bring wisdom.
    It’s how you handle all of it.
    Folks can age and not learn from their past.
    Smart folks age and become wiser based upon what they’ve learned from their experiences in life
    I suspect much of our wisdom as we age is based upon how we were brought up and our environment.

  721. HoToTrot says:

    If you treat a woman like a ho, she’ll treat you like a john. If you think she’s stupid with nothing on the brain but shoes and handbags, she’ll be all that and more and work that angle until she can’t work it no more! Please don’t come here complaining when she does. That’s what you expected, that’s what you got.

  722. KeKe says:

    @Georgia
    “So why are you confused about Shoes and Handbags?”

    I was being facetious. That a person could think that’s all a person could be about at any age. Lol I’d suspect most young women on SA are a lot more seasoned than the average woman in general. Babies to feed, bills to pay etc. I have a more carefree existence than my 26 year old cousin with two babies and a mortgage and no job prospects. She’s gorgeous but shoes and handbags wouldn’t define her.

    Can the church say AMEN!!!

  723. KeKe says:

    I thought wisdom was what you glean from experience .
    @HoT…that’s exactly what I’m saying. I think we are just wording it differently. I agree age alone doesn’t guarantee wisdom but really I’m not trying to get philosophical on a sugar blog. Lol

  724. HoToTrot says:

    @Georgia
    “So why are you confused about Shoes and Handbags?”

    I was being facetious. That a person could think that’s all a person could be about at any age. Lol I’d suspect most young women on SA are a lot more seasoned than the average woman in general. Babies to feed, bills to pay etc. I have a more carefree existence than my 26 year old cousin with two babies and a mortgage and no job prospects. She’s gorgeous but shoes and handbags wouldn’t define her.

  725. KeKe says:

    Hence, whenever someone argues that the almost expired is better, please. I will give you “special”, “different”, “exquisite”, “one of a kind”. Just as soon as you are not trying to me in “better”.

    @Rem…to each their own…My 53 year “old” dick is one of the best I’ve ever had. My pussy stays dripping. Bought a bottle of lube that rarely gets used and I’ve always need plenty during sex. So for you that’s the case. For a lot of blog SD’s that might be the case but please stop calling my 36 yo pussy expired because it isn’t 26 yo.

  726. HoToTrot says:

    I thought wisdom was what you glean from experience. Some people age and others grow wise. The reason I don’t respect people simply for the fact of them being old.

  727. KeKe says:

    With age comes EXPERIENCE

    @HoT…Same difference. Experience can bring wisdom. Depends on the person. My experiences as I’ve aged have given me insight, knowledge and wisdom, I feel. I’m still growing and learning as a woman, mother and partner. I hop each experience helps me some how in the long run.

  728. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @HoToTrot
    “…the 20 something year old women that men are talking about bare no resemblance to me in my 20’s and late teens. And I was late out the gate! This sounds like young women from TV/ not real life.”

    I’m with you. The 20+ women today are much different than I was. It’s a very different world now. I suspect very few virgins by age 20 – men and women these days. Sex is so much more open and with computers, cell phones, endless texting, etc., dating is a different ballgame now too. Girls didn’t call guys in my day – it was inappropriate and not mannerly. Now girls call guys and say things that would make me blush. LOL And yes about the “long lost love” – I have wondered that “what if” a time or two. But I came to the conclusion, based on my faith that indeed, “God has this plan…” and I try to leave it at that – things go the way they are meant to be. It’s not always easy or fun or even logical at times and frequently I want to change or question it all, but I honestly believe that what happens in our lives is for a reason that we may not find an answer too soon, but we just have to accept and move on. So why are you confused about Shoes and Handbags?

  729. KeKe says:

    But, I don’t think one is necessarily better than the other. There’s a season for everything.
    @HoT…Agreed. I don’t think I would date anyone my age because like you I like the idea of an older established man.

  730. Promise says:

    Looking at littles cuddling their Daddy’s after spankings makes me feel warm, and fuzzy inside. :3

  731. HoToTrot says:

    For all of the people who say, “I should’ve married X guy instead of X guy” when I was 25, I ask: who’s to say you’d still be with that guy. There is no guarantee in life. Some girls marry the older established man early on and then turn into cougars 15 years later chasing the young guys they ditched in their youth. Some people do the reverse. But, I don’t think there is a winning formula. Just live life as smart as you can and don’t forget to have fun!! And btw, the 20 something year old women that men are talking about bare no resemblance to me in my 20’s and late teens. And I was late out the gate! This sounds like young women from TV/ not real life. Shoes and handbags? #Confused

  732. GeorgiaPeach says:

    When I was in my 20’s I dated about my age or a little older. OMG, one guy was about 6 yrs older and WOW. But then, later I started dating my husb and he was 4 yrs younger. LOL. I didn’t realize at the time how domineering he was (much like my Dad)but I discovered I enjoyed his authority and attitude and his way of doing things. btw, females have a tendency to marry men similar to their fathers. LOL

  733. rembodler says:

    Do not get me wrong, I understand that when u r trying to sell the product that is oh so close to its expiration date, you have to come up with creative ways to brand it. I am not a hypocrite, I am doing it myself after all, I recognize the challenge. But when I am buying a product, no ismisms in the world will let me overlook the fact that it is…no longer new and shiny. Hence, whenever someone argues that the almost expired is better, please. I will give you “special”, “different”, “exquisite”, “one of a kind”. Just as soon as you are not trying to me in “better”.

  734. HoToTrot says:

    @KeKe
    “With age comes wisdom”

    With age comes EXPERIENCE. Wisdom, sometimes. Maybe. Perhaps. Hopefully. The most mature guy I know is 35 years old. Sage and old beyond his years. I cheated on my husband with him. I don’t think we could’ve ever had a real relationship. He’s way too intense. Lol.

  735. HoToTrot says:

    I dated and married a man my age because he didn’t intimidate me and it was fun. And I’m glad I did, I wasn’t a cynical jaded young woman. I have a very domineering father, so I never needed a Daddy fixture in my life. I date older now, because one, I’m older and two, I’m more intrigued by older established men now. But, I don’t think one is necessarily better than the other. There’s a season for everything.

  736. HoToTrot says:

    My husband who was very child like and so very needy (I loved him once, don’t ask) was a very good dominating Fuck. The best I ever had, really. Humans are peculiar.

  737. HoToTrot says:

    @Keke
    I work in OB and have seen probably over 10,000 couples interact with each other and the man is usually take charge. Answering questions for her, giving me information while she is a Barbie looking at him (literally sometimes) to do so.

    My man is like this. On the outside looking in, he’s a take charge man and it’s not an act. In bed tho… Everything isn’t as it seems.

  738. KeKe says:

    @Georgia…When I was in my 20’s I never would have dated someone 15+ yrs older than me. I felt they tried to treat me like a kid they could teach or train. Now 10yrs later I don’t think I would date anyone my age age or who isn’t 10+ years older. With age comes wisdom.

  739. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @KeKe
    I agree with you about the shoes. You should see my closet. LOL
    @Rem
    I think you just prefer women in their 20’s because you like the young things, so you can teach them. The older ones have too much experience for you. LOL

  740. KeKe says:

    @Rem… you give women in there 20’s too little credit… And women of all ages like shoe’s. Lol

  741. rembodler says:

    The reason I like women in their 20s, they normally do not care about -isms. They care about nice restaurants, make-up, shoes, little cute dresses, designer bags, nails, and so on.
    Did I mention shoes…oh yes.
    If I need -isms (including dominisms or what not) I can just stay at work and listen to my boss bitchin.

  742. GeorgiaPeach says:

    My Dear Sweet, very religious, Mother is probably rolling in her grave as I said that I would live with someone. I have an idea my Dad would not like it either, but I’m just not sure I see the point to it after age 60. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a difficult decision for me, because it would. I’m a pretty religious gal. But the guy I’m seeing now is going thru a divorce and it’s crazy. I’m also helping out a friend in her law office right now, so I’m seeing what a couple goes thru in a divorce. Not that I would anticipate that, but still… at my age now, I don’t want any more chaos or “life messes” if I can help it. LOL

  743. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @GP – that’s the thing with religion, if they want to claim the issue, they do…’marriage’ pre dates religion…it was a business transaction, a government transaction and a succession planning tool…when hearts got involved, the church got involved and it all went to hell 😉

  744. KeKe says:

    @HoT… Or maybe regular life is too boring that it’s not worth yielding power over compared to the job. Lol

  745. KeKe says:

    @Georgia…I don’t plan to get married but like you I would live together.

  746. KeKe says:

    The powerful men I meet now, don’t want to wield the power they use on the regular in their romantic life.

    @Hot…That’s an interesting statement… My Lover is like that. I usually decide what we will do (restaurants, places, activities) in regular day to day interactions. But I’ve found most powerful men do not turn it off in personal relationships. I work in OB and have seen probably over 10,000 couples interact with each other and the man is usually take charge. Answering questions for her, giving me information while she is a Barbie looking at him (literally sometimes) to do so. I was surprised that my Lover is the way he is since quite frankly power men tend to be assholes. I think it’s because he did not grow up as wealthy as he is now. He’s really frugal except with me. :-)

  747. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @HotToTrot and @KeKe
    Funny, I was having a similar conversation with my minister about similar things yesterday. I was covering the office secretary’s desk while she was out for the day and I volunteer there a lot… Sometimes this minister, my age, lost his wife abt 15 yrs ago… he will come out of his office and chat. We were talking about marriage in the Bible, etc and how times have changed, such that especially older folks are finding sometimes, it’s simply not feasible to marry. By this time, there are separate families, assets, etc. and unless there is an air-tight pre-nup, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. At this point, I’m not sure I would marry, but I’d sure as hell live with him (keeping his other “ass-ets” at home with me. LOL btw, there really isn’t much at all in the Bible about marriage, no ceremony or such, very little even discussed.

  748. HoToTrot says:

    SB= Shorthand for Sub

  749. KeKe says:

    So is SA full of Subs? Lol!

  750. HoToTrot says:

    Feminisim, like all -isms, doesn’t have to be this narrow thing. Even the act of being an sb can be an act of feminism. It’s a woman having control over her sexuality and how she chooses to use it. Once upon a time women who had sex outside of marriage, especially when gifts/money were involved, were simply deemed whores. No gray area. It’s not always about hating men. I think that’s where people get it wrong. So it’s not a dirty word for me.

  751. HoToTrot says:

    Agreed.

  752. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @HoToTrot
    “And I’m a feminist (oooh, I know baaad word!)”
    While I agree with some things “feminist” like equal pay, etc. I am definitely a sub. I want my guy to have total control and tell me exactly what he wants and needs. He tells me, I do, as was when married and even on this last date I had. I want to be dominated in the bedrm and a few other places too. LOL

  753. HoToTrot says:

    @Georgia
    Sounds like the old Caveman thing. Bonk his woman on her head, grab her hair and pull her over to the cave for sex. LOL

    Well, in basic terms, yes! The head can’t overrule nature’s wiring. And I’m a feminist (oooh, I know baaad word!)

  754. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @HoToTrot
    “…she will submit. Real alpha’s never have to worry…”
    Sounds like the old Caveman thing. Bonk his woman on her head, grab her hair and pull her over to the cave for sex. LOL

  755. VZP says:

    @Hototrot
    In the face of a true alpha, I don’t care how strong/independent/feminist/blah blah blah a woman is, she will submit. Real alpha’s never have to worry. The others do.

    I couldn’t agree more!

  756. HoToTrot says:

    In the face of a true alpha, I don’t care how strong/independent/feminist/blah blah blah a woman is, she will submit. Real alpha’s never have to worry. The others do.

  757. HoToTrot says:

    I might get dragged for saying this, but so be it. In my experience weak men generally want to control women. The really powerful find it too easy.

  758. HoToTrot says:

    I get you KeKe about the Dom thing. Ironically, the German who stole my heart 10 years ago was a Dom. I was a rather innocent 29 year old and really couldn’t understand his dominance in the bedroom. I always stopped him. Thus, he never go to fully unleash on me, so to speak. As I’ve matured and craved that type of stimulation, I can’t seem to find it anywhere!! lol My current is a force of nature and very dominant in his work life and with me intellectually. In bed? A giver/not a taker. As I’ve come to have more responsibility in life, I just want someone else to take over. Sigh… My first love was very much controlled by his Alpha father, so wanted control in his relationships. The powerful men I meet now, don’t want to wield the power they use on the regular in their romantic life.

  759. KeKe says:

    @Hot… I think old pussy has to find ways to keep old pussy exciting and interesting. Lol

  760. KeKe says:

    Oops, He could do more but I have to respect his comfort level. 

  761. KeKe says:

    @Josh…yep. Getting paperwork in order right now.

    @SS @Kenna… yeah. That was a stupid question. Lol. I had to read it again to understand how dumb it sounded. Lol… I guess what I was referencing is the stark difference between my soon to be ex and my Lover. Neither are naturally into the things that get me off in the bedroom but my Lover always attempts to do the things that take me over the edge. He isn’t naturally inclined to do those things. 12yrs with my soon to be ex and he rarely did. My Lover has even made comments like, “I’m too nice to hurt you Mrs. Grey”. But he still does the “extras” that make me cum hard and my pussy wetter than it’s ever need (TMI…sorry). So I was just wondering but I realize that in reality he just likes to please me. He could do more but I want have to respect his comfort level. Compromise, right?

    Besides ,new pussy is sooo intoxicating

    @Gentlemen LMAO! Speak your truth!

  762. HoToTrot says:

    What about new/old pussy? Can pussy ever be new again?

  763. gentleman soul says:

    @KeKe
    But a couple can make an effort to keep intimacy alive in a relationship with out resorting to sugar if they both care enough.

    True to a certain degree but if you have lost that Lovin’ feeling you can’t get it back . I have a problem with intimacy I have found ,and fresh relationships on a regular basis allow me to avoid it. Besides ,new pussy is sooo intoxicating

  764. KennaKenna says:

    @KeKe

    I agree with @ss- you’re either a Don or you’re not. My husband is very dominant in ALL areas of his life, so I guess it’s only natural that he be a Dom with me, both inside and outside the bedroom.

  765. Promise says:

    @ss1959 Then how do first time parents learn?

  766. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    Yours is a special case sweetheart. Get rid of him and move on.

  767. ss1959 says:

    Trained to be a Dom? That seems so counter-intuitive on so many levels!