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Who’s Your Daddy?

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Ladies (and gents) who embrace the #Sugar lifestyle all know that finding the right Sugar Daddy (or Momma) takes time. The process works something like an interview.

Is he active? Does he favor fashion? Is he the stay at home and watch a movie type- or does he prefer going out for lavish dinners?

Before searching for the right “match” you’ll want to review our list of tried-and-true Sugar Daddy types.

Mr. Suavecito

This guy is the epitome of Mr. Popularity. He’s a bit younger ranging anywhere from his late 20’s to mid 30’s. The world still has much he can demand of it, and his energy level is likely quite high.

His wealth can quickly be seen amongst his collection of material possessions including brightly colored fast cars, pricey toys, beachfront condo’s or his vast walk-in closets lined with the latest designer duds.

When you talk about the newest Louboutin pumps or Balenciaga goodies, he’s in tune to your fashion desires. He knows what’s-what regarding fashion trends. He likely has a personal shopper, and his taste in Sugar Babies includes top of the line, runway envying beauties that don’t mind sharing space on his arm. Your confidence level must be quite high with this guy- prepare to be on-the-go every week!

The CEO

The CEO-type is the typical Sugar Daddy most imagine. He’s in his mid 30’s to early 50’s and he doesn’t necessarily have to be a CEO, he could be: a politician (cue Anthony Weiner), a lawyer, director of an advertising firm (MadMen’s Mr. Roger Sterling) – and the list goes on!

This Daddy worked his way up the corporate ladder and knows what it takes to live a life of luxury. He doesn’t flaunt like the younger Mr. Suavecito; he keeps it classy with refined taste and worldly knowledge. Instead of opting for the shiniest Ferrari on the lot, The CEO goes for a Maybach or Aston Martin. His clothing is always coordinated, and his timeliness is impeccable.

Sugar Babies, nothing upsets your dearest CEO more than showing up late for a date. He keeps a tight calendar, and he trusts that you will keep things punctual and clean-cut at all times. Besides, this guy brings a whole new meaning to taking care of business (if you catch my drift).

Silver Fox

The Silver Fox ranges anywhere from his mid 50’s and beyond. Sugar Babies, this guy needs nothing more than a pleasant day in your company. He’s likely gone through the woes of divorce, marriage(s), children, and jobs. A Sugar Baby becomes more than a piece of arm candy for this guy; a sense of endearment forms.

Of course there are exceptions to every archetype, but hear us out Babies. The Silver Fox is going to have a sense of confidence about him that is hard to find in younger guys. He may become a bit jealous if he catches you making eye contact with younger guys. But you have a sense of youth and a vitality that will draw him closer to you.

If there’s a gift you desire, he will treat you to it. If there’s a funny story you wish to tell, he will listen intently. Your time becomes extremely valuable to him. Some Sugar Babies actually transition from a Sugar arrangement to wife, so treat this Sugar Daddy type with care and respect.

 

Who’s your ideal Sugar Daddy?

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758 Responses to “Who’s Your Daddy?”

  1. Gloss says:

    Hey guys this my first time I’m looking for SD TO HAVE SOME FUN WITH TO NIGHT

  2. Sweet Mia says:

    I need my Silver Fox!!!

  3. Gabs_ says:

    I need help in finding a silver fox. I need helpful tips guys!!

  4. HunniDarling says:

    What woman wouldn’t want the CEO or a Silver Fox? :)

    The issue comes when you trying to filter out the fake ones.
    But, I’m remaining optimistic that Mr. CEO and I will find each other.

  5. NotjustA says:

    The CEO or Silver Fox please. I’ve had my fair share of Mr. Suavecito turned out to be Psycho. LoL.

  6. Inka says:

    Silver fox please!

  7. Sarah_Rose says:

    The CEO and the Silver Fox…love them

  8. Sopheeah says:

    Id like a Mix of all… I like mixed flavours :) haha

  9. SBvirgin says:

    Does it ever work out for a middle aged SB (or maybe that would be SL sugar lady)? I know I cant compete with the young ladies but I do have a lot to offer, eye/arm candy as well as so many other things. Ive never done this before and seriously need help putting together a good profile, the online dating sites seem to be mainly hook ups, if that was what i was all I was interested in I would go to the bar,

  10. Emma944 says:

    Since I am known to be very punctual, can’t wait to meet my CEO :*

  11. LoveLifeAnna says:

    Looking for my Silver Fox <3

  12. Anonymous says:

    I’d love me some Mr. Suavecito 😛

  13. DebieG7 says:

    Wow Mr Suavecito,
    You are not for me.
    Im not the girliest SugarBB and men that are really into fashion intimidate me.

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  15. THEATLSD says:

    @joan and @Sugar baby. The blog regulars have moved over to the new blog. They usually don’t come back over once a new one is up.

    @Sugarbaby. I read your profile. You are sounding too desperate with the whole surgery story. I’m sorry that happened. But you will do better if you leave that out and present yourself in a not so desperate light. Also rewrite what kind of SD you are looking for. Your setting yourself up for the fakes and flakes.

  16. DarkHorseSD says:

    ” Those men that are blacklisted are posted for a reason.”

    Yes, you found the reason.

    “Once a SB signs up she already has shopping, trips to exotic locations and “true spoilage” dancing through her head.”

    Trashy worthless women who don’t get what they want post on those reporting sites.

    Yes, escorting pays better. I invite you to escort for a while and see which you’d charge more for.

  17. Joan says:

    @DarkHorse

    I read those blogs. Those men that are blacklisted are posted for a reason. Anyone can go to those salt blogs or fake sugar daddy blogs and see the exchange and find out why those men appear there. I even talked to one that was reported against my better judgement because I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sure enough everything was true about him.

    He has no intention of offering anything but talking your ear off and promises of some future time that will never materialize.

    He gets off on bragging about his wealth and telling women that if they just stick around long enough to listen to him prattle on that he’ll eventually provide something but not an allowance.

    For some reason I receive a great deal of interest on this site but if I were to date to receive an allowance that’s in the practical range I’d have to basically meet something like 7 different men a month.

    If the allowance is 3k or more then the gentleman appears to desire some type of 102 hours of your time a month unless he’s married. Married SDs don’t have that kind of time to see a SB that much which makes married men ideal.

    Just a bit ago a SD contacted me with a decent 3k a month allowance that he says he never uses. He gets pretty much young college girls to sleep with him for $100 no more than $200 and he rarely does $200. He even claimed to have a threesome the other night and desires unprotected sex.

    Most of those blogs consider guys “salt” or “splenda” when they offer $100-$300 per meet or $600 a month or something like it.

    I think that’s the point. They aren’t pro sugar babies but they’re not dumb either. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to know what an escort makes an hour. So they feel undervalued because they desire spending quality time with a sugar daddy and if he’s giving what an escort makes in an hour but desiring 5hrs or 12 hrs of their time, they feel cheap or cheated.

    That’s really what the salt or splenda blogs are about. So I get their feelings because after speaking to a few gents here my mind thinks well should a sugar baby just skip the long drawn out time wasting episode and go full escort? Straight escorting seems dangerous and scary. I don’t know as Josh said backpage is $150-$250 an hour. In my area it’s up to $450.

    I know Brandon didn’t create this site for escorting but a good number of the members here are using it for that purpose. Sure maybe a dinner is thrown in for good measure but either the member doesn’t want to discuss allowance because has no intention of providing one or in general it’s $100-$300 per meet.

    I also think that the different TV spots on arrangement show the high allowance offer type that give an impression that most men here provide the same. Once a SB signs up she already has shopping, trips to exotic locations and “true spoilage” dancing through her head.

    When she gets the $200 per meet- must have own place because I’m married then she’s thinking wait this guy must be a fake because that doesn’t sound like that high allowance daddy.

    Then you have the men here looking to regular date women but aren’t necessarily upfront about their desire and of course the true fakes that will promise the world and deliver nothing at all.

    Honestly it’s all about perception and in other cases it’s an abuse of the term “mutually beneficial”.

  18. Sugar Momma says:

    Hey everyone… This is my first time doing this.. I need a SD anyone in ATL?

  19. sweetklay12 says:

    I meant suavecito. Hate auto correct sometimes.

  20. sweetklay12 says:

    I’d prefer Mr.Square I to mainly because of the age.

  21. Moonlight579 says:

    I’m having a hard time connecting with anyone on SA. I get a lot of profile views but it seems like once they see my profile or even my other pics they decide I’m not what they want.

  22. Soft says:

    Just waiting to be approved …trust me worth every minuet

  23. Sugar Baby says:

    Hey guys,
    I’m a new member to this site. And was wondering if someone can tell me how long it takes for my photos to be approved. I know it says it may take up to 48 hrs…..but I’d like to hear from other members, to know how long each of you waited for approval.

    I really appreciate the help guys ;-). And also…..any advice for me as a “rookie”? Lol (this should be interesting lol)
    Any advice will be greatly appreciated :-)

  24. Blue says:

    Suavecitos, CEOs, and Silver(gray) Foxes, they’re all unique. It’s the approach that matters and differs. I like to be treated with respect, and honesty. I’m basically just ordinary, so that’s probably the reason I haven’t found any SD for the last what, 7-8 months? Losing hope, but still trying to keep the fire burning. Anyone wanna get to know me better? Or, anyone wanna teach me? Lol. Thanks!

    Blue

  25. Promise says:

    I’m sure that there are some SD’s on the list that are actually dangerous, or are actually “salty”, but the ones I saw didn’t seem like it.

  26. Promise says:

    I actually have to agree with with Dark on that list. Yesterday I decided to (finally) take a look at it, and it looked more like the SB’s that submitted to it were just mad because the discussion wasn’t going their way (or as Josh would say “sabotage”) or because they weren’t getting something right off the bat. So they got pissed, submitted the the blog, and labeled them a “salt”.

    • FortuneCooquii says:

      There’s a blacklist for SBs too. I met a POT for lunch once after my workout at the gym. (I only had soup, whike he had a full meal) He was new and was told about the site by his friend. I was new as well, but found that I wasn’t attracted to him and the language barrier would be a problem, since it was difficult to communicate. He made an offer immediately and I told him that I’d think about it. I actually couldn’t wait to leave. He kept asking me if we should go look for a hotel room now and I would tell him no, that I wanted to think about his offer and get back to him. So, in the parking lot, he wanted a hug, so fine I gave him a hug. But, then he wanted a kiss and tried to stick his tongue in my mouth, so I pulled away. The next day, I tested him for clarification of his offer, but then declined it since I wasn’t attracted to him. Next thing I know, when I googled my cell number, there was my info on some SB blacklist with a lot of BS.

  27. DarkHorseSD says:

    GudjementalSoul: could you check for me on the Blacklists? :)

    True, Blacklists are essentially lists made by scammers and escorts; the dominant source of information comes from the lowest of people involved in these genres. The information says more about the source than the subject.

    SDs might make more informative use of these if there were a reverse lookup enabling retrieval of the reviews of a particular source.

  28. Josh says:

    @Admins

    ’tis the time for new blog.

  29. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @VZP – the only SBs that should worry about a “blacklist” SD are the pros who don’t want to deal with an aware SD.

  30. VZP says:

    @gentleman
    at this time in my newbie rookie status. I would honestly prefer someone who has been here longer. I prefer an experienced SD verses all of the new ones Winging It. In addition though I personally would not be comfortable with an “indoor” SD. Although I’m not clear what that all implies, I’ll assume you aren’t taking me out to experiences new things or going on adventures. Maybe it’s your age rather than your time here. Just a possible irrelevant newbies view.

    There are Blacklist SDs? I think I should know about this. ….

  31. rembodler says:

    @Promise
    U r probably right, but Uncommon has this uncommon tendency to get on my nerves…

  32. UncommonSB says:

    @rem “@Uncommon
    I am so delighted to read your posts…makes me so happy with my situation where I have everything I need right around the corner, no need to fly anywhere or deal with someone bit$ching about everything or using phrases like “not comfortable with expectations on either side during this visit.”
    My only concern is whether it is ok to be so delighted about imaginary SDs making imaginary trips to see imaginary you…”

    I’m truly sorry that you carry so much negativity around with you everyday, and feel it necessary to take shots at me. Hopefully with all of the ‘happiness in your situation’, you will one day become a more pleasant person.

  33. gentleman soul says:

    @ALL

    My profile age is 4 yrs. Do you think that is a negative in attracting Pots ?

    My contact to arrangement % has dropped precipitously in the past 3 mos . We chat a bit on SA ,then email/text, then poof ! My game and pictures are the same–except that I make it clear that I am an indoor Daddy. They say that is no problem up front but it obviously is . I even checked on some SD Blacklists and didn’t find myself LOL . Besides that little issue :

    Do you ladies think an SD is less appealing the longer the profile has been in existence ?

  34. Promise says:

    @rem That sounds mean and unnecessary.

  35. Josh says:

    @ONSD

    While she is at it, @FlyGirl will also tell you that you have a small dick.

  36. rembodler says:

    @Uncommon
    I am so delighted to read your posts…makes me so happy with my situation where I have everything I need right around the corner, no need to fly anywhere or deal with someone bit$ching about everything or using phrases like “not comfortable with expectations on either side during this visit.”
    My only concern is whether it is ok to be so delighted about imaginary SDs making imaginary trips to see imaginary you…

  37. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @DarkHorse – hahahaha…yeah, I guess Practical from an each meet perspective…but Rolex, really, do you think she’d take a Rolex from an SD that said, “that’s more than your Practical monthly times twelve, so I expect us to be active for the next year”

    I’m sure @FlyDude will say I’m too low budget for looking at Practical, and too short-sighted to handle such a high-class piece of gold-digger ass…but…really, listing Rolex as a desire in the Practical category????

  38. DarkHorseSD says:

    Practical from each SD

    What’s so hard to understand ?

  39. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Just saw a profile…listed “Practical” as Expectation that had a laundry list of luxury brands she wants including Hermes, Rolex, Chanel, miu miu…she could go on for days…

    Really, at a “Practical” Expectation?

    She could use some profile help, but I doubt she believes she needs it because she’s being forward with her expectations, because she’ll provide for SD as SD provides for her :$

    Can’t believe some of these profiles! SO HAPPY I’m not looking anymore!

  40. UncommonSB says:

    Woohoo! The POT I talked to yesterday is so excited to meet me that he changed his plans and is flying in this week to meet instead of next week. I made it clear that I’m not comfortable with expectations on either side during this visit. He’s at the older end of my preferred range, but in excellent shape and very handsome.

  41. Promise says:

    @ONSD Yeah I’ve been having that International thing happen to me too! I’m seeing guys from freaking Melbourne pop up.

  42. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @remb – also saw on the initial homescreen they are doing a lot more international profiles on the tabs…I, for one, don’t care about international sugar and get frustrated that only one tab (and sometimes NONE) show local SB profiles…and when they do show local, there are maybe three different between the tabs…very little turnover on the profiles they show!

  43. Jj says:

    @FlyR me thinks you may have “missed” the intent I ascertained from the event(s), or lack thereof… that the “shit”race began for the gent to be, before the race even began!!!! Doh!!! just say’n

  44. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @remb – I have noticed that as well…I did a search and saw like three pages of profiles “online”…saw a new one and clicked through…last login 5 days ago…maybe SA saw how we have been evaluating them against “active” status and changed the way they look at things to look more “busy” than before?

  45. ss1959 says:

    My last wedding cost $50, paid in cash to the City Clerk when she performed the 5-minute ceremony.

  46. flyR says:

    Brides need to have the panic briefing at 1 month, 1 week and 1day before the wedding

    People will remember only a few things about your wedding, did you show up, were you smiling, did he bring the ring, was anybody killed in a fight . Don’t obsess with the trivial, accept that some may be temporarily offended; have a good time.

  47. rembodler says:

    SA login vs.SA online
    Is it a new thing, now there are a lot more profiles that appear as green “online” status; however, once you click on them it shows someone last logged in 3 days ago. Before this was a lot tighter…is it something local or a new feature?

  48. Promise says:

    @Josh Since we’re talking about wedding anniversary celebration now I love the gifts that the Romans use to give.

  49. Josh says:

    Wedding ceremony in Western world must be relegated to the 25 anniversary. The bride must earn the right to celebrate by resisting her sabotage for 25 years.

    The problem with the upfront celebration is that it rewards the woman for her ability to hoodwink a guy into walking down the aisle.
    If she does sabotage it after the big celebration, the children are more likely older and the husband got some pussy along the way. So she earned the right to celebrate.

  50. Jj says:

    Okie!!!!
    ‘Like any bride the week prior to her Big Day, 35-year-old Amber Jones was all ready to say, “I do.” But just days before the wedding, her fiancé suddenly said, “I don’t.”

    Amber describes the mounting tension leading up to their nuptials like a spark here and a spark there — all of which suddenly ignites a growing blaze. “You simply can’t imagine living a lifetime in that kind of heat,” she tells Yahoo Health. Her fiancé “decided to get out of the proverbial kitchen, despite my efforts to remind him we were the best firefighting team around.” ‘

    {{https://www.yahoo.com/health/the-groom-backed-out-days-before-the-wedding-117516936142.html}}

    No way to “begin a lifetime” less you have a totally different motive… doh!!!

  51. Promise says:

    @rem It didn’t. They just don’t use them because the first miscarriage made them so sad that they just decided that they didn’t want to prevent any of their other children from having life like how that one didn’t get to experience it.

  52. ss1959 says:

    @MaddieBlue: “I took a chance that someone eventually got tired of missionary.”

    No kidding! Vanilla is nice, but there are so many other flavors to try!

  53. flyR says:

    “Mr. Rem, much could be said about the others of similar “fame.” Why are the Kardashians famous?”

    The Kardashians are famous because while the world ignites we are obsessed with banal trivialities. KK is like Paris but with even less intellect and class.

  54. rembodler says:

    @Promise
    “…@rem I read that they use to, but after their first miscarriage they decided to leave it up to nature…”
    Promise… You are an intelligent girl… Plz tell me how the use of condoms leads to miscarriage?

  55. Promise says:

    @rem I read that they use to, but after their first miscarriage they decided to leave it up to nature.

  56. UncommonSB says:

    Had an incredible call with a POT tonight (who reached out to me on a traditional site btw), and there are so many parallels in our lives. He lives out of state and is supposed to be visiting me to meet next week. We’ll see how it pans out, but wow, very compatible thus far. He gave me his real name and number to verify, and he’s the real deal. Time will tell…

  57. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @rembodler
    “Could someone anyone please tell me why, oh why oh why should we care about the opinion of an imbecile whose only claim to fame is that his parents never learned to use condoms…”

    Mr. Rem, much could be said about the others of similar “fame.” Why are the Kardashians famous? Please tell me what any of them have done to make this world a better place? As I understand it, “Kim’s” claim to fame is merely a sex tape or such. So? Her mother and siblings are rather “worthless” as well.

  58. rembodler says:

    Reading Yahoo News:

    “Josh Duggar: ‘Being the Oldest of 19 Kids and Counting’ I Believe ‘Every Single Child Deserves a Mother and Father’
    Josh Duggar, eldest son of the Duggar family in the popular reality-TV show19 Kids and Counting, told CNSNews.co….”

    Could someone anyone please tell me why, oh why oh why should we care about the opinion of an imbecile whose only claim to fame is that his parents never learned to use condoms…

  59. DarkHorseSD says:

    “It’s just a pesky little phobia. ”

    For Alice, it was just one pesky little ant…UNTIL!

  60. Denise says:

    Googlevoice works well for me.:)

  61. KeKe says:

    I love Google voice!

  62. MissLady says:

    Yep, long live Google voice

  63. AliceS says:

    Ice Sugar Daddy how come I found out more here about you in one day then over a year in private 0_o

  64. HoToTrot says:

    @DarkHorse
    “Indeed dysfunctionality is highly correlated with lack of a drivers license, even among NYers.”

    It’s just a pesky little phobia. I don’t like being in charge of something that can take someone’s life is all. Cars aren’t even safe for the environment. This country’s dependence on cars is unparalleled in the world and has more than a little to do with the obesity epidemic. Invented no more than a century ago. Not organic to human life. Too many MIS-functioning people who drive for this statement to be a base litmus test of character.

  65. Josh says:

    @FlyGirl

    “No women can think with such clarity.”

    Also, this is a highly misogynistic statement as Elizabeth Holmes and millions of other women are quite capable in theirrespectivec fields of endeavors.

  66. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh:

    “You’re trying too hard sweetie”

    And you are an attention whore, baby :)

  67. Josh says:

    @FlyGirl

    “No women can think with such clarity.”

    You’re trying too hard sweetie.

  68. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “Joshie – Y’all need to understand…blah blah bLai”

    Whatever you say sweetheart.

  69. rembodler says:

    @flyR
    Unfortunately, have to agree on that one. The previous one wasn’t any better, not a big fan of Shrub either. The only good one would be Great; just happened to stick his stick into the wrong mouth. I see no problem with that; but the tightly zipped Puritans will disagree, undoubtedly….

  70. DarkHorseSD says:

    Was the the burger at Cipriani 50% or 75% off?

    It was under $25.

  71. DarkHorseSD says:

    Don’t feel bad. The GV settings have a poor UI and bad instructions.

  72. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @DarkHorse – that very well could have been…and it was at least two phones ago…

  73. flyR says:

    @ rem …….”Every time one does that the bill arrives,10times from what one was expecting, with the explanation why the problem was not solved, but with the assurance they will be happy to keep solving it for another 10times that.”

    It appears you have one of us confused with Obama

  74. DarkHorseSD says:

    Never had such a bug since the early days of GV. Your settings are messed up.

  75. FlyBoy says:

    @flyR:

    there is not better assurance of failure than the overwhelming fear of failure ( that $1 mil of advice)

    That’s nothing but fucking gold.

    Moreover it’s unimpeachable evidence of flyRs gender. No women can think with such clarity.

    Cheers :)

  76. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @DarkHorse – I used Google Voice for a while when I was first getting into the Sugar Bowl, but because it was tied to an email account, which I also checked on my phone, I could not get the phone to stop sending phone calls to my “real” number to the Google Voice voicemail. I even went into the carrier for clarification. It was a known issue at the time, but they did not have a fix for it. Then, I found Hushed. It has worked fine for me, I just need to make sure it is not on the homescreen of my phone, and not on a common page of the apps with something I may pass to my wife to use quickly while I’m driving.

  77. DarkHorseSD says:

    At my age remembering who said what when about cash allowances in the more than one dozen arrangements that have involved allowance over some length of time is beyond me.

    I can say this: if a Strong Independent Male isn’t bringing up allowance, he’s not into you. Guess what if he’s avoiding the first meet? Ok, he’s not into you.

    Sorry. It’s not him. It’s you.

  78. flyR says:

    In the case of V Stiviano it was really a case of hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

    Although Sterling’s wife received $1bil from the forced sale of the Clippers she also wanted to get even with the woman.

    It is a good lesson for SB’s of married men. If you receive gifts they are probably a misuse of community property. The risks are probably pretty minimal until they rise to the level where the wife can afford an attorney to pursue the case. Or is in this case the wife has so much money she can inflict the justice regardless of the cost.

    If there was justice Stivsano would receive $50 – $100 million for putting Sterlings wife in the position to force the sale of the Clippers for $2 bil of which she got half . I believe Sterling bought the Clippers for something under $20 mil when they were in the basement .

  79. DarkHorseSD says:

    I’m not sure why Google Voice isn’t the standard. Maybe folks like getting caught?

  80. DarkHorseSD says:

    Despite being born and living essentially my entire life in NYC, I came to associate lack of driving ability with lack of competence. Indeed dysfunctionality is highly correlated with lack of a drivers license, even among NYers.

    Strong Independent Folks just don’t tend to roll that way.

  81. flyR says:

    @ Struggle “”@flyR
    Can you provide for me a brief synopsis of how/why V. Sticks no must return the gifts given to her? Is she supposed to return in monetary value that much? Or is it actual items? And is she required to do so because she was aware that he was legally married?””

    I’m not sure how it all shook out but

    (CNN)Donald Sterling’s racist remarks cost him an NBA team last year. But now it’s his former female companion who has lost big.

    A Los Angeles judge has ordered V. Stiviano to pay back more than $2.6 million in gifts after Sterling’s wife sued her.

    In the lawsuit, Rochelle “Shelly” Sterling accused Stiviano of targeting extremely wealthy older men. She claimed Donald Sterling used the couple’s money to buy Stiviano a Ferrari, two Bentleys and a Range Rover, and that he helped her get a $1.8 million duplex.

    Who is V. Stiviano?

    Stiviano countered that there was nothing wrong with Donald Sterling giving her gifts and that she never took advantage of the former Los Angeles Clippers owner, who made much of his fortune in real estate.

    Shelly Sterling was thrilled with the court decision Tuesday, her lawyer told CNN affiliate KABC.

    “This is a victory for the Sterling family in recovering the $2,630,000 that Donald lavished on a conniving mistress,” attorney Pierce O’Donnell said in a statement.

  82. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONsD
    I agree! I used it also. Was good for what it was. Kept me from having many people having my number. But still a little sketchy. Wish it could be an online app you can log into.

  83. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle – I use Hushed for the discreet texting/phone…it’s a weird thing to have somewhat readily available to use, without being obvious if the wife picks up the phone because I’m off chasing the dog or something!

  84. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    Good point about sig others seeing the sponsors! Yeah, if I were in a situation where I didn’t want someone to know about it, it would be sketchy to use promoted “privacy” apps and communications programs.

  85. HoToTrot says:

    Typos galore/correction: “My one and only SD, whom I met offline, brought the subject of an allowance up after our first date.” Whew!!

  86. HoToTrot says:

    On the subject of allowance talk. Like I said before my one and only SD who I met offline brought the subject of first after our first date. I was quite surprised by it. He texted me and made the proposition. He’s older and sophisticated, living many years in NYC, he knew the drill I guess. I just wanted an older man who was financially secure and had a great deal of status, but I had no idea how to approach an actual allowance. I was lucky that way.

    Last night, I spoke for awhile to a POT who actually wants to meet at the end of the week. Right away he brought up P4P. I’m not totally against that, but think maybe it’s tacky to bring up $$ before an actual meet. But, I am also glad he brought $$ up too, I would never know how to broach the subject. I’m somewhat shy. Such a tricky thing.

  87. HoToTrot says:

    Add me to the list of those whose never learned to drive. I have a fear of driving. Members of my family (I’m from Kansas) are ashamed of me for this fact. Out of wedlock pregnancy– no problem. Can’t drive!?!!! Sad. One of the many reasons I moved to New York. Now I don’t feel like a weirdo.

  88. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle & @uncommon – you’re right, I don’t think VS would spring for it, although it didn’t seem very “exclusive” when the top end branding placement was a mere $2,000.

    It’s interesting though, the thought of privacy/secrecy/hiding app advertising at an event like this…could pose a problem if the media report on it and a wife sees an app on a SA husband’s phone!

  89. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle – I saw in an online article there was some property that was to be titled back to the wife, a vehicle or two that was to be retitled back to wife, as well as either cash or items that were to be returned.

    Issue #1 – where is V going to come up with the cash to return? If she is anything like the tumblr crowd, money was gone, clothing may not have lasted (or was sold cheap to get cash)…

  90. DarkHorseSD says:

    “I’m a total Neil Degrasse Tyson fangirl. ”

    And yet I get to see and meet him. Because this is how the Strong Independent Male lives – the ones who can afford NYC.

  91. DarkHorseSD says:

    Taking blog advice, I’m having lunch at Cipriani Dolci.

    Don’t see anyone crying here. So far, so good.

  92. rembodler says:

    @flyR
    “Well for some reason we have clients who have been with us for 20+ years….”
    Do not take it personal, Sonny, it’s strictly business (c).

  93. StruggleIsReal says:

    Crap. Autocorrect.
    *V. Stiviano

  94. StruggleIsReal says:

    @flyR
    Can you provide for me a brief synopsis of how/why V. Sticks no must return the gifts given to her? Is she supposed to return in monetary value that much? Or is it actual items? And is she required to do so because she was aware that he was legally married?

  95. UncommonSB says:

    @ONSD I don’t think VS would have anything to gain. New or lesser known lingerie retailers/designers might enjoy a boost from the exposure though. I personally would not recommend that an established brand take the risk, but if you’re up and coming in one of the industries relevant to sugar consumers… go for it.

  96. flyR says:

    for the record the aggrieved wife won …….. V Stivvano has been ordered to return the property (my guess it was the wife’s half of the community property) $2.6 mil

    “Every time one does that the bill arrives,10times from what one was expecting, with the explanation why the problem was not solved, but with the assurance they will be happy to keep solving it for another 10times that.”

    Well for some reason we have clients who have been with us for 20+ years.

  97. StruggleIsReal says:

    *afformentioned

  98. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    I don’t think that VS would spring for anything like that. It’s too big and commercial. I do think other companies would though. In addition to privacy apps and the other after mentioned sectors, perhaps things like money transfer apps and technology, dating websites, communications technologies, sexual accessories, certain cosmetic companies, cosmetic enhancements perhaps, luxury living media, travel promotion media…

  99. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @uncommon – I hadn’t thought about the privacy apps…the lingerie, jewelry, travel was an obvious choice…my question would still be about the perception. How would it be perceived if VS was a sponsor? “Promoting” itself as a sugar item…

  100. UncommonSB says:

    @ONSD “What type of industry/business/brand do you think would play well to the Sugar Bowl?”

    That’s tough one, as many brands would not benefit from the association. Hmn… maybe up and coming ventures like privacy apps, travel clubs, lingerie retailers, flash sale sites for luxury goods, etc would be a good fit?

  101. rembodler says:

    @flyR
    while the real clients call , describe the problem that’s 10 times the size and tell us to solve it and send them a bill.
    Every time one does that the bill arrives,10times from what one was expecting, with the explanation why the problem was not solved, but with the assurance they will be happy to keep solving it for another 10times that.

  102. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I’m intrigued…I just got an email from SA talking about having an opportunity to have my brand featured at the event coming up…an opportunity to put a branded give-away into the gift bags, have the brand listed on the website and tickets to the event.

    For all you SDs out there…if it was YOUR business/brand, how do you think being a part of the giveaways and web presence would boost your perception to your audience? Would you be afraid of the publicity because of pressures about the lifestyle?

    It DID say there would be media exposure to your brand’s support…

    What type of industry/business/brand do you think would play well to the Sugar Bowl?

  103. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @flyR – that’s a great quote “no better assurance of failure than the overwhelming fear of failure”

    I’m serious…that’s great…I’ve seen too many fail in my industry because of that fear of failure.

    I would also say that there can be an equally crippling fear of SUCCESS…what if I land that business-doubling contract/client…those same “what if’s” can kill growth when you start to micromanage things too much!

  104. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD
    Yes, that is exactly what really was cleared up for me (sexual identity v. sexual orientation)!
    The bit where they said “Sexual orientation relates to who you go to bed WITH; Sexual orientation relates to who you go to bed AS”… that really helped me.
    And I agree, I doubt it will open things up here on SA much, if at all, but more just in the broad sense of overall perception and acceptance.

    @Josh
    Aw thank you dear! I appreciate that!

  105. flyR says:

    Joshie – Y’all need to understand that your SA experience is limited in depth and even more limited by your biases, limitations, attitudes, fear, phobias and behavior. Therefore your “global observations” are hopelessly flawed. I meet the same people all the time in business, they are convinced that we are out to screw them and they are snappy, snarley and locked into a circle of failure. The problem usually arose because they mismanaged a project in the attempt to save a few dollars. They want a 30 page contract for us to do $10,000 of work while the real clients call , describe the problem that’s 10 times the size and tell us to solve it and send them a bill.

    Josh there is not better assurance of failure than the overwhelming fear of failure ( that $1 mil of advice)

  106. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    A happy SB with a happy SD is exactly what we need more of. Congrats…and I wish you continued happiness.

  107. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle – I watched it…it opened MY eyes as well to a couple of perceptions I had that are completely ignorant about the community. the way some of the issues were explained about gender identity and sexual orientation was (in my opinion) well done.

    I think trans members on this website are not going to have an “awakening” to activity…but hopefully more people seeing the piece and the other coverage that I am sure will spin-off because of it will help them gain some recognition and acceptance.

  108. StruggleIsReal says:

    Hey guys! I hope everyone had a great weekend!

    Did anyone watch the Bruce Jenner interview? It really opened my eyes a lot to the transgender community and some questions that I had about it. I was impressed with the presentation and hope that it will help us all to understand and truly accept others. I can’t even image such a lifelong struggle with gender identity.

    @flyR
    “One very illuminating question.
    Looking just at last week.
    What is the description of your sugar life

    A – Looking

    B- Stable with at least one meeting during the week

    C- Stable but with no meet

    D-Unstable but did meet

    E- Unstable – did not meet
    
F- Looking to upgrade

    G- Just here for amusement”

    G
    Just here for amusement and sometimes some thought-provoking conversation, and also to just help by offering my input as a female who formerly was searching in the Sugar bowl, experienced a few different things in it, and am now beyond happy with what I have found from it! :)

  109. Josh says:

    @DominantSB

    If you were commenting on something @Erik said then why did you address me? Did he ask my permission to write whatever he wrote?

    AND @Erik is a lot smarter than the snippet you quoted above, the context of which I am not aware of.

    The moral of the story is…address the person who knows the context…unless you just felt like feeling good by addressing the @Guru.

  110. DarkHorseSD says:


    Ok I have sugar problem. Sugar attracts ants. So my question is how to un-attract them to my apartment. I might mention I became their sugar momma unwillingly and I want this arrangement to stop ASAP. I used Raid for ants. Beygon. baking soda. vinegar. special ant glue. etc… aaarrrggghhh AND DARKHORSE LEFT ME ALONE WITH IT FOR BLOG. my heart is broken”

    @Josh, see.

  111. SouthernSB says:

    @Promise-Funny :)!! Pluto is an exoplanet. It means it’s too small to be a real planet but too big to be an asteroid.

  112. Promise says:

    The only EXOplanet I know is a Kpop boy group.

  113. Josh says:

    I wrote…”Every woman has an inalienable right to blame a man, a group of men or the whole MANkind if she does or does not do something or does or does not feel a certain way.”

    Soon thereafter @flyR wrote…

    “If the SB has a bad experience with a bad SD of course she’s over the horizon. And if the SB is simply bad then it’s a reflection of the selection process. Finally , in a doomsday situation the SD has gathered a priceless insight into the flaws in his process or simply that stuff happens.”

    And then she insists that she is a man.

  114. SouthernSB says:

    GeorgiaPeach-The sexiest words a man can say to me are, “I majored in astronomy and physics.” Obviously I’m a total Neil Degrasse Tyson fangirl. Not only should you be proud of your son, you should watch out for all the babes that will be throwing themselves at him, astrophysicists are the flavor of the week right now.

  115. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @FlyR
    You are right. I am very proud of him. Thank you. He is so smart it scares me sometimes that I actually gave birth to him. LOL And yet he has this way of explaining things in the simplest terms that a 2nd grader could understand what an “Exoplanet” is. LOL

  116. UncommonSB says:

    @FlyR Thank you darling! Every once in awhile even a worn out, used up, haggardly old 36 year old (per SD valuation on this blog) makes sense :)

  117. flyR says:

    @ uncommon

    Very sage comments .

  118. flyR says:

    @ peachie – Astronomy and Physics – the world needs more . You are, I am sure, rightfully proud. ….

  119. flyR says:

    am i in trouble

  120. UncommonSB says:

    @DominantSb ” I’m a bit of a sapiosexual. I like a man who can engage my mind in ways that thrill me. ”

    YES! Intelligent, experienced, successful men are where it’s at. Often, they are older, and that’s OK. Sex is sex, and as long as you’re not doing it with someone who is awful or physically incompetent, it’s always fun. But intelligent sex… where you experiment with anticipation, denial, endurance, etc… it’s soooo much hotter, more creative and interesting. Such a shame that most people don’t get that.

  121. UncommonSB says:

    This may sound harsh and clinical, but I typically evaluate an SD on the basis of money/gifts/adventures/mentor opportunities/travel/adventure… generously offered by an SD (never demanded).. vs my time invested/opportunity cost/sexual gratification. If a pot SD’s idea of a good time is meeting at a hotel for X amount, I’ll pass every time.

  122. DominantSB says:

    @Josh, the only time I disagree with @ErikTheRed is where he said women like money. NOPE! Women like security and money begets that. If a woman has a man providing this security for her in the form of a regular allowance which accomodates all her needs and freedom to travel in style, she is staying put. I have a friend who married at 18 to a much, much older Woody Allen looking guy and she gets invited to Ibiza by all sorts of jetsetters since she is a model, a brand and a marketing guru. She is staying put because her hubby built her up to the woman she is today.
    Same for any woman, wife or mistress. Security is fundamental. Do I need to draw you guys a map? 😉

  123. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Flyr
    You might be surprised at what “Peachie” is thinking right now of you. 😉

  124. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @flyR
    “Ah Peachie thinks. All this driving talk is funny and seems foreign. I’m having trouble with the concept of a society where driving is not a basic manskill demonstrated at the earliest possible age.”

    I know it was a crazy situation. However, I should note that my son’s goal at the time was to remain at the university for his undergrad, then head toward Masters and PhD. He felt no pressure to drive since his intent was to remain on a campus for a number of years. He ended staying as an undergrad for 5 yrs, but graduated with 2 BA degrees (Astronomy and Physics) and promptly entered grad school where he was again living on campus and working on his Masters and toward his PhD. I might add that once it was discovered his father had a terminal brain tumor, my son stepped up and promptly got his license knowing he would need to drive back to our home as needed. He has also maintained throughout his college years a GPA of about 3.9. Not bad for a young man who traveled thru hell and back dealing with his father’s illness, a beloved 90 y/o aunt who was also diagnosed as terminal and a grandmother who was on her 9th bout of cancer when she passed last year. Life isn’t always fair, but you deal with it and move on. He plans to teach Astronomy at university level or work in the aerospace industry/NASA. :)

  125. DominantSB says:

    @peeps, the laws of attraction vary from person to person young lady. I have always been attracted to older men. The best sex I have ever had was with a guy over 50. Was that too tongue in cheek? :) Meanwhile my ex had ripply abs and I mommied him the entire relationship though he makes 6 figures. Been busy working, my websites look great!
    I think the guy who is least likely to catch my attention is Mr Suaveito. I love guys who seem to have it all and their energy but the thing is I think Mr Suaveito sometimes gets a bit ahead of himself with a gal like me.
    Example, on normal datign sites is where I dread reading my mail the most. Usually some chiseled hottie with a nice smile reaches out like “Oh, look at me, aren’t I hot? And I’m giving you attention, you lucky girl you.”
    Thereafter typically one of two things happen. He asks for even more pics of me (there are at least half a dozen candid unshopped photos of my face and body). Or he suddenly gives me one worded replies to inquiries like “yea,” and “ok”. Do women actually fall for this drivel? For me personally I smile and think “good thing you’re hot sunshine.” :) I’m a bit of a sapiosexual. I like a man who can engage my mind in ways that thrill me. I saw a great article on huffingtonpost about “12 things to expect when dating a strong woman” by James M Sama.
    Extremely attracted to him/his type. Yes please. :)

  126. flyR says:

    “”Any man who gives a large amount of money upfront will not see the “princess” again until the money is gone, and the princess has a story to sell him.”””

    That’s one opinion, but not corrected for the selection process , the SB or the SD.

    If the SB has a bad experience with a bad SD of course she’s over the horizon. And if the SB is simply bad then it’s a reflection of the selection process. Finally , in a doomsday situation the SD has gathered a priceless insight into the flaws in his process or simply that stuff happens.

    To make the categorical statement that the SB will not live up to her end of the agreement is absurd on its surface.

    A truly insecure SD might break his P4P evening into 15 minute intervals if he is that worried. Kind of like feeding the 15 minute parking meter.

  127. Josh says:

    In the absence of a feedback mechanism, SBs have no incentive to provide much against the allowance they have already received.

    Case in point how many employers pay people upfront amounts? Yes, in certain work segments sign-in bonuses are given to attract quality candidates or because there’s a shortage of certain skillset. But even in that case the salary is still paid after the work has been done.

  128. flyR says:

    Ah Peachie thinks .

    All this driving talk is funny and seems foreign. I’m having trouble with the concept of a society where driving is not a basic manskill demonstrated at the earliest possible age.

  129. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @flyR “@Southern – Where were you when you had Mr Purcell as an instructor”

    It was ME FlyR. I was in Virginia at the time, small city near Blacksburg/VA Tech. 😉

  130. Josh says:

    Any man who gives a large amount of money upfront will not see the “princess” again until the money is gone, and the princess has a story to sell him.

    The best that will happen is that she will agree to ptp (which she was not agreeable to in the past) if and only if the SD assures her that the large amount given earlier was a gift to the princess.

    It is what it is.

  131. Josh says:

    Every woman has an inalienable right to blame a man, a group of men or the whole MANkind if she does or does not do something or does or does not feel a certain way.

  132. flyR says:

    @Southern – Where were you when you had Mr Purcell as an instructor

  133. Josh says:

    month a little bit at the time.

    * The only way a man leaves a woman is when she is not meeting HIS needs; to start off with or at a later date.

  134. Josh says:

    Those who make a big deal about ptp intend to walk away with the SD’s money. Otherwise they would get all the allowance by the end of the month a little bit at the time.

    The only way a man leaves a woman is when she is not meeting her needs; to start off with or at a later date.

    So the SBs with not-so-desirable personal or sexual skills want to hold the SD by his balls because he is now out a large amount.

    Since it’s always a man’s fault if a woman acts certain way sexually or in terms of providing good company, once she has the money she can always bolt with or without telling him.

  135. MaddieBlue says:

    @ss1959
    “I was wondering what percentage of blog members would be familiar with either FL or munches.”
    I took a chance that someone eventually got tired of missionary.

  136. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @SouthernSB
    LOL. I know there were students/kids who felt the same. Not me though, I had my license a few days after my 16th birthday. However, my son decided he was going to be as you wanted. He was to live in the city, take public transportation and not have to deal with the responsibilities of driving and owning a car. He got fooled rather quickly though he did put it off until he was 20. We made him take a refresher Drivers Ed class, failed the test the first time and went back 3 mos later with no extra practice and aced the test. Go figure? He’s now an overly cautious driver who usually scares the crap out of me when I’m with him. I’ve determined the best I can do is take a nap. If he kills me, maybe I won’t know it until later. LOL And yes, the weather is one of the reasons I stayed in GA after husb passed. Winters in mountains of VA can be rough.

  137. Josh says:

    @AliceS

    You’re using my old email address that I have not checked for a while.

  138. SouthernSB says:

    @ss and GP-I dropped out of driver’s ed. class. I was never that interested in learning how to drive anyway since it was my dream to live in the city and take the subway to everywhere I had to go. I mean who needs a car in NYC anyway? How on earth I ended up in the AUG. where you can’t get anywhere without a car is the world’s biggest mystery to me, but I’m not looking to relocate anytime soon, due to the fact that I’m totally spoiled by the weather, and can’t stand the idea of a NY winter.

  139. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @ss1959
    “I got my license way back in the dark ages of the first oil embargo; the halcyon days of odd/even gas rationing. And I was living in a different state at the time.”

    Wow you are old. LOL. Sadly I remember those days too. Sit in line for hours and if you weren’t careful you could run out of gas while you were in the gas to get gas. In THOSE days, you may not have been required to take driving classes (Driver’s Education classes) to get your license. I wasn’t, but I did anyway, so my father could get lower insurance rates. I also took the class through my high school and did NOT have to pay extra for it. Now I think it’s mandatory and you have to pay additional fees for the class. My how times have changed. “Mr. Purcell,” the Boys Phys. Ed teacher taught me and one other student during the summer. LOL

  140. ss1959 says:

    @SouthernSB: “Well thank goodness for google, because until 30 seconds ago I had no idea what the hell a munch was.”

    I was wondering what percentage of blog members would be familiar with either FL or munches.

  141. ss1959 says:

    @Promise asked “@ss1959 Where did you take driving lessons to get your permit?”

    I got my license way back in the dark ages of the first oil embargo; the halcyon days of odd/even gas rationing. And I was living in a different state at the time.

    All of which is the long-winded way of saying that I have no suggestions on this topic. Sorry!

  142. SouthernSB says:

    Well thank goodness for google, because until 30 seconds ago I had no idea what the hell a munch was.

  143. SouthernSB says:

    Frankly, I’m just getting tired of cursing out the scammers. I mean, who could be so stupid to decline my IM and then leave me a message in my inbox telling me how much they want to meet me? WTH? Do they actually think that women lose their minds at the age of 50 or something? I cuss them out and then I report them.

  144. ss1959 says:

    @MadieBlue asked “Would you take your SD/SB to a munch (FetLife) if he/she/they were curious and open-minded? Do those of you in the lifestyle tend to keep it separate from sugar?”

    I think the answer to that question is the same as the answer to the more general question of how much do you integrate sugar into the rest of your life.

  145. VZP says:

    @Dark Horse
    I’m not sure what expect at all on Wednesday. I’m sure I will enjoy his company he said he’s taking me somewhere really nice and is excited to see me again. I do plan at some point though respectfully advising my position in this. It could go really bad i he is against it but my gut tells me he is all for it. I need to find out if an arrangement is attainable with him. If not I will most likely not see him again despite the amazing chemistry He is not an option in my eyes for real life relationship as he has an expiration date in my area 18_24 months and is married. So I will gamble one more meeting be honest and open. Hope for the best.

  146. DarkHorseSD says:

    Alice, in most of life sugar is an ingredient. Like when you make something.

    So here people are confused that it takes Indredients to make sugar.

    Change to Lasagne Baby and people will understand better.

  147. DarkHorseSD says:

    @VZP, very nice. What do you think will happen with Wednesday?

  148. AliceS says:

    Josh i sent to you an email about 2 or 3 days ago. there’s couple of options. you won’t respond because you don’t have old email. you won’t respond because you don’t give a shit. you won’t respond because my email sounded like a strong independent female wrote or you just didn’t even read it. which one is it. I seriously want to change my description. Btw I discovered that I’m here since 2013 OMG. time pass so quickly

  149. AliceS says:

    I’m even ready to put my make up on for this special occasion. Btw Miami guy didn’t say anything since last night. I didn’t send any first messages to avoid him thinking I’m very desperate. and my rapist is offended because I replied day later. his quick sex idea for the weekend and first day didn’t worked out, so he proceeded with his search on SA :)

  150. AliceS says:

    Dark Horsw Now I need to find SD, who will give me some, so I can borrow it to ants lol. I think I have perfect sad story to begin with even before the meeting.

  151. VZP says:

    @DarkHorse $150

  152. DarkHorseSD says:

    * Alice, you skunk! *

    Try lending the ants money. In a few weeks, ask to be repaid. Ta da.

  153. DarkHorseSD says:

    Oh Alice! Have you been hosting again?

  154. AliceS says:

    Ok I have sugar problem. Sugar attracts ants. So my question is how to un-attract them to my apartment. I might mention I became their sugar momma unwillingly and I want this arrangement to stop ASAP. I used Raid for ants. Beygon. baking soda. vinegar. special ant glue. etc… aaarrrggghhh and dark horse left me alone with it for blog. my heart is broken

  155. HoToTrot says:

    @flyR
    Still Trottin with my current SD. Seeing him tonight in fact. I didn’t meet him here. But, I’m still trying my hand on SA.

  156. DarkHorseSD says:

    @VZP, what did the WYP guy bid to hang out?

  157. VZP says:

    @Dark Horse
    @VZP, when are you meeting the guy from the group a few nights ago who was into you?

    As if right now we are looking at Wednesday. Time n location not yet confirmed. He advised when he returns Monday from the weekend he will confirm.

  158. VZP says:

    @VZP
    ” In their minds they think ok on to the next one to avoid the allowance and continue the pay per date”…

    Yep ! PTP regularly is an allowance
    —————

    In my experience pay per date is so minimal It doesn’t touch the amount of an allowance if it did I then in turn would not even bring an allowance up. A rookie mistake on my part.

  159. DarkHorseSD says:

    @VZP, when are you meeting the guy from the group a few nights ago who was into you?

  160. VZP says:

    @Promise

    @VZP “I refuse to settle for less then i deserve. I know and am confident I’m doing my part. Its the low grade whores they would rather have.”
    This sounds kind of cocky.

    Yes it does . There is some bitterness there -some bad juju happened to create this resentment . It’s Ok to set your standards high. Just don’t denigrate those who choose to have different ones .

    It’s ment to be. I have a cocky attitude toward men or rather boys in my real dating life. I do not treat respectable men this way I do not address them or view theM the same as I do some bum ass young ass hot dude who has nothing to offer me but maybe a sexy body. This is why I am now here. I’m much different IRL toward men then I am here. Yes there is resentment and scars but again this does not apply here. I only stated this because of the comment made if they don’t want you IRL why would they want you here? The implication that I can’t maintain a relationship in real life is insulting. I can I just refuse to settle. I refuse to be all an SD deserves to an undeserving man who treats mexperience like shit and doesn’t appreciate me. Also though I am not here to discuss my personal life or IRL dating experiences. I just want to be a good woman to a good man and be ok with remaining emotionally detached. I have little faith in love or the fantasy of society has created or made acceptable for what real relationships should be. I love the sugar concept. I would not approach a pot SD with this attitude because I already know he’s far better then other guy off of some dating site that’s a waste of my time.

  161. KennaKenna says:

    @gentleman

    Yoire right, I have been really busy and that’s why I haven’t been posting but I still enjoy the banter lol.

  162. gentleman soul says:

    @Promise

    @VZP “I refuse to settle for less then i deserve. I know and am confident I’m doing my part. Its the low grade whores they would rather have.”
    This sounds kind of cocky.

    Yes it does . There is some bitterness there -some bad juju happened to create this resentment . It’s Ok to set your standards high. Just don’t denigrate those who choose to have different ones .

  163. Promise says:

    @gentleman soul Thank you.
    @VZP “I refuse to settle for less then i deserve. I know and am confident I’m doing my part. Its the low grade whores they would rather have.”
    This sounds kind of cocky.

  164. gentleman soul says:

    @Kenna

    Sweetie, as the Crown Princess of Sugar Babies I am just wondering –Why are you here still ? You seem crazy busy with your new and old world . I would think you would leave this world behind .

    I always like your posts and comments -but just wondering ?

  165. gentleman soul says:

    Promise says:
    April 25, 2015 at 7:53 am
    I’ve never even been on a date before so I don’t even know what you would say. Also I always give short answers to everything.

    Promise,you just crack me up ! You are a breath of fresh air

    @VZP
    I refuse to settle for less then i deserve. I know and am confident I’m doing my part. Its the low grade whores they would rather have.

    The guys worked this over pretty well so I won’t say much about this obnoxious statement. Nobody “deserves” anything -the just “want” it.

    @flyR
    You sound like the type of man I would like to find here because xyz . While I am looking for much more than just the allowance, the allowance is an essential part of ANY arrangement I will be considering , are you comfortable with an allowance in the x range assuming we are both comfortable with eachother and we met on a x frequency

    This entire post(not all copied) is excellent for you ladies to write down in your little blue book.

    @Rembodler
    @VZP
    ” In their minds they think ok on to the next one to avoid the allowance and continue the pay per date”…

    Yep ! PTP regularly is an allowance

    @Denise
    “There are splenda types offering $100 a day for hours of a SBs time.” They are legit SDs as well. We’re talking about degrees. FlyBoy admits to being uber wealthy and this SD at $100/date is not. But both are Daddies. Daddy A “wants” a 20 yr old 10 model for $250 /week ,but maybe can only “get” a 28+ yr old 7.5. That 7.5 might be very happy with that $250 ,as he is. Don’t knock either him or her
    .
    Still if p4p is something you’re more comfortable with then fine. My SD does weekly as he has done in a past arrangement.

    So –if you only see him once /week then you are doing PTP ? Hmmm, it’s funny how things come around to semantics -eh ?

  166. Promise says:

    @ss1959 Where did you take driving lessons to get your permit?

  167. flyR says:

    as in

    Hot Has Trotted ?

  168. Secret says:

    @FlyR Thanks for the insight. It’s been difficult, as we all go through lows and need help. I’m a very simple girl who would enjoy going to lunch/dinner at 4Rivers. I don’t need all the fancy bells and whistles. Would I like to, yes, but I don’t demand it until my SD would present the idea of going out to a nice place or spending more on me. I’m even happy with $1k right now, as that would help out A LOT. Would I like to enjoy $3k a month, absolutely as I would get a head of the game some, but I will not throw around money ideas and sound greedy. I’m VERY appreciative of anything I would receive (I just don’t want to be low balled either.)

  169. rembodler says:

    @FlyBoy
    Being guarded and qualified is part of my job description. I have not seen your tax returns, so I cannot be sure.
    Regardless, I am off SA and the blog for a while. This was fun, we should do it again.

  170. VZP says:

    @DarkHorse. Thank you for asking about my night. I did not meet anyone from the site. I did meet someone from WYP who set up a second date we had an early meeting at 2 he is kind man who usually contacts me last minute when he is around and simply wanting company.He gave what he did the first time. I has already has plans in the area we met at 5 pm with 2 of my close girl friends. We has a fantastic evening. Started put a fabulous restaurant my girl Co owns and just opened the food is made from Scratch and was so tasty. Where that first bit you take just moves you. We then wenot to a comedy show that had a great turn out and had us 3 laughing even after in ended. We then finished the night at the strip club my girl works at and has for about 10 years. We were treated like VIP I enjoy going to these clubs. I then met up with another group of friends at night club for the last hour and I got a sober ride home. All in all a night well spent with great company and new experiences!

    Next week I have a couple meetings I’m looking forward to with POT. I will be applying some tactics learned from the blog pertaining to allowance.

  171. KennaKenna says:

    Well I didn’t ask about allowance up front and I think I did alright. When you’re with a real SD, he does not give you time to ask that question- he brings up the topic, makes the suggestion/offer.

    I remember with my first SD from SA I was so uncomfortable talking about money, he sensed that and simply took care of me.

    Anyways, different strokes for different folks I guess..

  172. flyR says:

    @peachie “”You make this so easy. What a fun guy you are? Sure you’re not related to the Dr. FunDude? LOL. Well, put me down for an E, F, And ABSOLUTELY a G – for GOOD time here. :) So, next question is “What is description of YOUR Sugar life? Be honest now and don’t combine with 40 sentences, just spit it out Honey. We’re all pretty smart here, Darlin.””

    Looking just at last week. What is the description of your sugar life
    A – Looking
    B- Stable with at least one meeting during the week
    C- Stable but with no meet
    D-Unstable but did meet
    E- Unstable – did not meet
    F- Looking to upgrade
    G- Just here for amusement

    B^2 + G ^3

  173. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Promise “@GP Got an SD?”
    Nope, but a very HOT and sexy guy who wants a 2nd date!
    Dr. Fun can blow it out his… then again, maybe SHE is. LOL
    😉

  174. FlyBoy says:

    @rembodler:

    @FlyBoy
    “…asked would a rich man who knows the ‘value’ of money pay $50 for coffee? I don’t know!…”

    The reason you do not know is probably very simple – it would make sense if you aren’t a rich man you want to play here, just a wannabe…:-). The wannabe is literally…oozing out of everything you write.

    I don’t know is the de facto correct answer. I don’t know what all or even an average rich man will do. I only know about me.

    If I am a wannabe, then it’s remarkable that it took you this long to call me out. Even now you are guarded and qualified … lol

    I cannot be sure though, so let’s pretend that you are indeed a gazillionare. I suppose, I have to agree with what you are saying. People who pay $100 for a hamburger are not paying for a hamburger – they are paying to not see people who are eating the same hamburger across the street for $1.

    Agree!

    Let’s make a deal Josh. This is your blog. I do not want to divert attention from you. How about you continue to do your thing and allow me from time to time do mine.

    You can always dismiss my posts as coming from a very small segment of SA and therefore do not invalidate your advice which is geared toward a larger audience.

    Peace :)

  175. Promise says:

    @GP Got an SD?

  176. MaddieBlue says:

    @FlyBoy
    Not to engage in all the hate your persona seems to attract, but your statement “However, I do know I will pay the price that will preclude the presence of the lower classes next to me. The last thing I want to see is an ugly meltdown over pennies” does not present you in a positive light. You may want people to see you in a negative light – I don’t necessarily see anything wrong with that (to each his own). However, some people prefer to pursue their interests rather than choose a career based on monetary gain (i.e. teachers, public service, etc).

  177. Promise says:

    @Josh What does that quote mean?

  178. Josh says:

    “However, I do know I will pay the price that will preclude the presence of the lower classes next to me.”

    Wow…I mean just WOW!

  179. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Rem
    I’m having a WONDERFUL day. Cloud 27+ for me! I’ll let you all guess why. LOL. Regardless, are you as feisty as your gravi appears? Lions are a pretty “roarin” group of guys. 😉

  180. rembodler says:

    @FlyBoy
    “…asked would a rich man who knows the ‘value’ of money pay $50 for coffee? I don’t know!…”

    The reason you do not know is probably very simple – it would make sense if you aren’t a rich man you want to play here, just a wannabe…:-). The wannabe is literally…oozing out of everything you write.
    I cannot be sure though, so let’s pretend that you are indeed a gazillionare. I suppose, I have to agree with what you are saying. People who pay $100 for a hamburger are not paying for a hamburger – they are paying to not see people who are eating the same hamburger across the street for $1.

  181. FlyBoy says:

    JJ;

    @FlyBoy…@FlyGirl…@Flyshit…@whatever….
    “AMEX with $5k” and “to date, she has only spent $1k so far…” yeah right!!!! And, btw, how would you be able to know if SHE authorized it with “her name on it”… just wondering…… just say’n….

    Most of what is said on this blog, I suspect, is not true. So it’s perfectly all right for you to not believe something I wrote.

    The account is mine. Her card is an additional card. These cards are designed for family members or employees. I can see all her transactions and remaining balance. This makes it very easy for me to transfer money to her, because I am merely transferring money from one of my accounts to another. The fact that the other card has her name is irrelevant.

    rembodler asked would a rich man who knows the ‘value’ of money pay $50 for coffee? I don’t know! However, I do know I will pay the price that will preclude the presence of the lower classes next to me. The last thing I want to see is an ugly meltdown over pennies.

    Cheers :)

  182. sexyrockstar says:

    RE: QUESTION OF THE WEEK

    B. We have been on this two day, sometimes three day (in a row mind you) kick for a few months now.

    I have so much shit in my life right now, that is no longer going to work. It’s going to be a once a week thing, and maybe even every other week.

    We have a very solid relationship, so I’m not scared he will seek others. His life is becoming more busier than mine is even. We both understand this. We both cheer on each other’s success.

    Him and I talk daily.

  183. Josh says:

    “Be honest now and don’t combine with 40 sentences, just spit it out Honey. We’re all pretty smart here, Darlin.”

    ROTFLMAO

  184. DarkHorseSD says:

    Mine is looking to upgrade while continuing to meet with stable people and dealing with tons of unstable people, making looking to upgrade feel like sabotage.

  185. DarkHorseSD says:

    @VZP, how did you do last night?

  186. VZP says:

    A, D, F, G…

  187. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @FlyR
    You make this so easy. What a fun guy you are? Sure you’re not related to the Dr. FunDude? LOL. Well, put me down for an E, F, And ABSOLUTELY a G – for GOOD time here. :) So, next question is “What is description of YOUR Sugar life? Be honest now and don’t combine with 40 sentences, just spit it out Honey. We’re all pretty smart here, Darlin.

  188. flyR says:

    It would also help if the blog mistresses simply rolled the blog over . I know somebody writes the topics but they are ignored. How about the question of the week and roll the blog every Monday morning .

    One very illuminating question.

    Looking just at last week. What is the description of your sugar life
    A – Looking
    B- Stable with at least one meeting during the week
    C- Stable but with no meet
    D-Unstable but did meet
    E- Unstable – did not meet
    F- Looking to upgrade
    G- Just here for amusement

  189. VZP says:

    Just clarifying for this statement

    And @I do always ask if no one wants you IRL, who will want you for IRL + $ ?
    i didn’t imply no one wants me. I refuse to settle for less then i deserve. I know and am confident I’m doing my part. Its the low grade whores they would rather have. I’ve been told it is simple as they can get it cheaper so they do. When i am flexible and non demanding.

    @Josh@flyby
    In regard to expressing “my worth” in comparison to “whores”

    I was only responding to IRL dating. Not the sugar world. I would not approach or express myself in this manner to an SD. I decided to get out of the dating seen and have remained single because I feel what I do have to offer as a female who enjoys catering to a man is worth more then I attain put there. Thus I have come here. As to the whore comment in my experience most men regardless of their stature will take advantage of an easy if quality is comparable. whores do it to make the dollar the not investment.

    @FlyR @Flyboy.
    thank you for the advice I have saved the post and will keep for review. I’m confident I am making the right choices and handling myself appropriately. Obviously I have improvements to make which to me seems acceptable considering my newbie status in the game. I am taking it seriously and plan on applying myself appropriately. Your time and consideration is much appreciated.

    @all who have assisted me and offered advice you are also appreciated. Thank you.

  190. flyR says:

    sexy – sent to blog by mistake pls do not post but fine to share

  191. Jj says:

    @FlyBoy…@FlyGirl…@Flyshit…@whatever….
    “AMEX with $5k” and “to date, she has only spent $1k so far…” yeah right!!!! And, btw, how would you be able to know if SHE authorized it with “her name on it”… just wondering…… just say’n….

  192. VZP says:

    So Josh maybe upgrade your phone or phone plan. I personally utilize my phone majority of the time accessing WiFi to reduce data usage and do not have the issues you are experiencing. Although I have been in your position and can understand the frustration. I’m not sure it necessarily permits you to retaliate with such..um… distress :/

  193. sexyrockstar says:

    @flyr
    I love you. I really do.
    For whatever reason, your email is not in my contacts. Email me. I will also send you VZPs email.

    I miss talking to you.

  194. Promise says:

    @Josh I’m always on here from my phone. I’m on my phone right now. To true.

  195. Josh says:

    AND it hits your (I am assuming that SBs would be affected more thank SDs) pocketbook when using the data plan instead of WiFi.

  196. Josh says:

    One does not have much issue accessing the blog from a computer.

    However when one accesses the blog using a phone, the useless, long-ass posts cause the loading time to increase unnecessarily.

  197. flyR says:

    @Promise
    “Why not talk online how you would in real life? It’s less likely to bite you in the butt later on.”

    For too many the blog presents an opportunity to go to the equivalent of a costume party pretending to be a swashbuckling pirate on speed and zanex

  198. Josh says:

    @VZP

    That sounds like a plan to me.

  199. VZP says:

    @Josh
    I’m curious as to why you are so bothered buy such frivolous post when you apparently so above us all. Shall I say “yes sir” n be submissive to your obvious disappointment bow down and ask “how may I please you master”

  200. rembodler says:

    @Promise
    “Why not talk online how you would in real life? It’s less likely to bite you in the butt later on.”
    Cuz it will be…boring. Also, most of the times the point can be brought across better without covering it with niceties. And irl is where it can indeed “likely to bite you in the butt later on”. So one may as well enjoy the free discussion opportunity internet provides for. On that same note, I am sure a lot of my SA correspondents would not be so curt/dismissive/arrogant and so on if they could not hide behind the internet. I suspect irl they would be a lot nicer and probably respond to me with a sentence that has both the subject and the predicate (and maybe even an object).
    Internet allows people to be rude – which probably would not happen if we all were at a party @your house. But, alas, we are not.

  201. MaddieBlue says:

    @All
    Would you take your SD/SB to a munch (FetLife) if he/she/they were curious and open-minded? Do those of you in the lifestyle tend to keep it separate from sugar?

  202. Promise says:

    @rem Why not talk online how you would in real life? It’s less likely to bite you in the butt later on.

  203. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – the confirmation process I was describing was your advice to avoid the stand-ups…confirm the coffee about an hour before I needed to leave to reach the destination. Be careful not to waste the time traveling for coffee when she has no intention in showing up for the meet.

  204. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Rem
    I pretend nothing here. I got that straight the second I joined in. LOL.
    Yes older than most, but still sexy as hell and doing my own thing. Actually LMAO at these “young folks” here. God help them mature sooner rather than later. 😉

  205. rembodler says:

    *GP

  206. rembodler says:

    @GB.
    Lol, yea, I admit my online persona is a bit…abrasive. Irl I am just a meek clumsy pushover type. Well… That is what blogs are for… Living vicariously. Others pretend to be young seductresses or successful dominatrix…to each their own.

  207. AmusedSD says:

    @rembodler
    “@Denise
    Just leave it… The more you talk, the more your unpleasant personality comes out.”

    Yep.

  208. Josh says:

    Some are vaginal escorts, some are mental escorts and some are both.

  209. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    Yes. Are we having fun yet?

  210. Josh says:

    Where is @FB? We need him to address the long-ass post insanity.

  211. GeorgiaPeach says:

    Good Morning @Rembodler!
    Starting with the pleasantries already I see. LOL
    Another fun day here in SA Land.

  212. rembodler says:

    @Denise
    Just leave it… The more you talk, the more your unpleasant personality comes out. And I do not just indiscriminately claim that everyone is an escort, that is silly. In fact, most female bloggers here are not (well, with notable exception of someone who openly admits being one). I might berate @peeps a bit for her ageist disdain, but I certainly do not think she is an escort or has an escorting mentality.

  213. GeorgiaPeach says:

    WOW, SA Blog folks DO sleep. LOL
    I thought they kept this thing going 24/7. LOL
    Imagine my surprise when I couldn’t sleep early this am and decided to check here to see what was happening. Oh my! NOTHING.

  214. flyR says:

    RE Midwest

    She was the role model for the late 30’s, early 40’s SB, intelligent, nice , sexy , adventuresome ……. Last I heard she was doing exceptionally well and very happy.

  215. flyR says:

    @Uncommon

    My only disagreement is that I think it is pretty rare in today’s culture for adults to date more than a time or two before having sex. Perhaps is some very traditional communities and perhaps younger. Thus, sugar does not really accelerate sex, rather it provides a more stable interim ( or permanent ) relationship which also requires less maintenance. I am not off to meet relatives, we see each other because we want to be together.

    To me the greatest utility of sugar is that we both understand that the relationship is not going lead to marriage, living together , children. It is something to share, appreciate, nurture .

    Most of the near age appropriate women whom I dated were interested in sex just as quickly as a SB on an allowance. Often within half an hour of meetings, probably 80% within a hour of the first flight if not during ( thank god for good autopilots) . but the difference is that they are hearing the midlife clock ticking the 35+ were looking to move in and such within weeks or months.

    One significant difference is that many of the women met in conventional dating are a decade older and more importantly than the physical differences , they have lost much of the take no prisoners enthusiasm of younger women and the positive outlook on the future. I understand it is tough on the woman whose middle management job has been eliminated, she lost much of her savings to the banksters and has some scars from marriage.

    Sugar starts with the premise that this continues only as long as it is the best thing available for BOTH. When that changes either through deterioration of the relationship or other opportunities it ends with a minimum of angst.

    For both it is pleasure until opportunity or need sets us apart. I’ve been thrilled the former SB’s left to hang our their shingle in a little town in the middle of nowhere, fulfilling a dream to be a small town doc, taken responsible positions using their advanced engineering degrees , off to grad school or just met mr forever.

    I usually have the endgame talk early you are in your formative years . Don’t sacrifice something really special for the sugar relationship. When you graduate you’ll probably move away , perhaps not , but don’t build a lifestyle that depends on sugar. Let sugar either lift you to a stabilized level or accelerate your path towards your dreams ( more classes , less low wage work) .

    Of course this runs against those who think the SD betrays his fellow Sd s if he treats the SB well, participates in a relationship where the allowance is just part of the benefit rather than the only benefit. For the SB’s they get to make the choice of what type of relationship they want and test that in the reality of the sugar bowl.

    It’s not surprising that there are so many different definitions of the relationship there are hundreds or thousands of permutations of the mutually beneficial relationship.

  216. MaddieBlue says:

    @Denise
    “I chatted with a man that stated his allowance is 5k per month but starts with 300 per meet (unprotected sex).”
    Some people are unbelievable. I cannot imagine why a man would have unprotected sex (paid or otherwise) with someone he does not know. Beautiful women are not immune from diseases. I always wonder if men like that actually have something and could care less if they spread it around. Rich men are not immune from diseases either. He could have at least pretended to respect you as a person. I’m glad you sent him on his way. Very creepy indeed.

  217. Denise says:

    @PIWolf-

    Thank you for your post.

    Even when I originally signed up to SA most of the SBs with the higher allowances weren’t the early 20 year olds. Some of the women that used to post here were in their mid 40s and that’s when I wondered if I wasn’t old enough to sugar date properly. Does anyone remember MidwestSb finishing up her masters? Even Ebony sugar babies weren’t the norm. I remember one lady that was in her mid 40s that posted here and also had a blog for reporting fakes.

  218. Denise says:

    @Maddie Blue-

    @Denise
    Perhaps you interpreted my question as a statement. I was asking because you were discussing it and I am rather inexperienced. I am not implying that your tactics are flawed.

    —————————————————————————–

    Sorry Maddie I didn’t mean to bite your head off. I sincerely apologized if If I was brash in my response to you.

    Apparently I’m getting use to arguing on here thanks to the three usual suspects.

    Still if p4p is something you’re more comfortable with then fine. My SD does weekly as he has done in a past arrangement. If he gets to a deeper comfort level with me he may just provide it in full. Since I understand how he feels on this, weekly suits me just fine. Per meet? Eh I’ve had offers from$ 300 per meet ( 5k allowance type) down to $100 per day from splenda 60 year olds. I wasn’t interested in the per meet set up so I declined both offers. I’m not sure why I’m offered the least from the highest age bracket but that’s my personal experience. As Uncommon SB stated YMMV.

    I want to state that the per meet types kinda scare me. If they’re offering what they would to an escort per hour like $300 then it tends to red flag them in my mind. Just remembering a few weeks ago I chatted with a man that stated his allowance is 5k per month but starts with 300 per meet (unprotected sex). I declined so fast and blocked his profile immediately because it was like he represented death or something worse. Creepy.

  219. Denise says:

    @FlyBoy

    @Denise:

    Their whole shtick is this; women get fucked for free so if they are ‘paying’ they should get the best. They argue that ‘paying’ more than the price of a cheap whore is for chumps.

    Of course they quickly discover that not only the young hot ones do not go for it, but even the older ‘BBW’ ones too. Sugar is Ms Pretty and Mr Big. The further you get from that the harder it becomes. When a man is nearer to Mr Small then he better spit a tight game and be younger and good looking and and and. Likewise if the SB is not Ms Young n Pretty she will have a hard time in here.

    These facts can not be changed. Therefore those who complain about them should be regarded as the losers of this game.

    Cheers :)
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    This 100%!!! When I read the “cock carousel” I thought wait so they want virgins women and yet want to treat them like garbage? I’m so grateful to not have encountered one of those bitter angry “I hate women” types. I swear if they’re going their “own way” they surely have no issues staying right here with their toxicity. I mean how much fun can a man truly be having if he’s on here posting every day on the hour? Sounds like someone living in their mother’s basement asking if his fantastic four action briefs are on the spin cycle.:)

  220. MaddieBlue says:

    @Denise
    Perhaps you interpreted my question as a statement. I was asking because you were discussing it and I am rather inexperienced. I am not implying that your tactics are flawed.

  221. PI Wolf says:

    Expected Allowance:

    The amount will be different for each woman and her Benefactor. From personal experience, I can state this – Younger Age and Better Looks are not a guarantee of Higher Allowance. Reverting back to my above post, regarding the 40 year-old woman I dated – while she looks decent and had the body of someone in her late 20s – She mentioned to our mutual friends that she would have liked a man to “Wrap Her Up” with an allowance of $5-$6,000 per month (we were no longer dating by that time). Our mutual friends mentioned this to me, with the comments that – she’s dreaming and could not command that price because of her age and looks – if the man is an Asian Man.

    In the same time period, I did meet 2 young Asian ladies (of the same ethnic background as the woman I dated) who were in their mid to late 20s. They had decent bodies, at that age, and very pretty. They were at the same level as Kristin Kreuk (actress) in looks. They both expressed their desire to have one man, to be their SD/BF – to “Wrap Them Up” – with an allowance, From $3,000 to preferably $,4000 per month. They would essentially be my full time GF/SB, as they would live together with me. Of course, marriage is not expected. They want someone who can provide them a good life, while they work on improving their lives (education, skills training, etc.).

    All 3 of these women, are working (like the rest of us) for a living. The 40 year old woman is earning more than the 25+ year old ones. So, they all understand the value of money and the difficulty of earning a high income on your own. Hence the desire for a Benefactor/SD to provide assistance and benefits. The idea of a man and his mistresses (yes, plural) is well understood by the Asians. So, this is not a foreign concept, but one that is well established in our culture. The only problem men has always had with mistresses is – having enough money to afford as many as we want!

    My point is – The higher your demanded allowance, the more time you will have to allocate to the SD. At $5,000 (or more) per month, you should expect almost – anytime he wants to have your company, he expects to have it.

  222. PI Wolf says:

    The $500,000 Mistress:

    A few years ago, I was dating a decent looking woman (about 40 years old) for about a half year. She is petite and has the body of a woman in her 20s. She told me a few stories, of which I have no reason to doubt their veracity.

    Some of her friends are Full Time Mistresses of Male Benefactors. They are fully at the beck and call of these BENEFACTORS, most of which live in a different city, and come to CHICAGO for business and pleasure. The private Get Together is the way these Moneyed Men socialize with each other, both Old and New Money. And only the Mistresses are present. The men are of many backgrounds, Oriental and Occidental. Likewise, their full time mistresses.

    THE ARRANGEMENT is usually $100,000 per year, for 5 YEARS. These Mistresses range in age from 20s thru early 40s, and many of them are in their 2nd or 3rd Arrangement (either with the same, or a different Benefactor). Ethnic backgrounds of the mistresses are a mix of Oriental and Occidental.

    During these private parties, new Potential SBs are introduced to the men. If a woman catches the eye of one (or more) Potential Benefactor, an offer to meet will be suggested by the man. It might take several meets or dates, for an arrangement to happen (or not happen). My female friend was an attendee at one of these private parties. An offer to meet was suggested, which she declined politely. She told me, she will not be a good mistress because she cannot take it, when someone tells her what to do. I can vouch for her insanely headstrong character. It is good that she understands that – being a mistress, the Benefactor is the boss, and you are there to be his personal entertainer … a very well paid, at that.

    So, it seems that potential Mistress Candidates are vetted first by the existing Mistresses, for introduction to the circle of men. The capability for Discretion, coupled with Decent Looks and Body, and the ever so elusive Chemistry – are all what these men (Benefactors or SDs) are looking for. And most importantly – The Absence of Drama from the women!

  223. Denise says:

    @rembolder- Ohh did I make you feel small? Don’t worry you’re the one that needs to keep those mends pumping.

    @Promise- I have no idea why the same men attack women on this blog. I just don’t get the hatred.

    @Georgia Peach- There’s common sense and basic intelligence sometimes those two don’t always go hand in hand. I’ll try flash cards next time:) lol

  224. UncommonSB says:

    YMMV, but in my experience… men who are busy, successful and don’t have the desire or time to take weeks ‘courting’ someone, prefer to save time and lay their cards on the table fairly soon. It’s a ‘give me the baby without the labor’ mentality. They find a woman they are sexually interested in, take her to nice places and act in a generous fashion without having to be asked for an allowance, because they accept that this will make the process go more smoothly. Negotiating allowances with a wealthy man has never been necessary for me. We both go into it accepting that genuine generosity begets genuine generosity, therefore it’s a symbiotic acceptance of the role that each partner plays.

  225. FlyBoy says:

    @Denise:

    Their whole shtick is this; women get fucked for free so if they are ‘paying’ they should get the best. They argue that ‘paying’ more than the price of a cheap whore is for chumps.

    Of course they quickly discover that not only the young hot ones do not go for it, but even the older ‘BBW’ ones too. Sugar is Ms Pretty and Mr Big. The further you get from that the harder it becomes. When a man is nearer to Mr Small then he better spit a tight game and be younger and good looking and and and. Likewise if the SB is not Ms Young n Pretty she will have a hard time in here.

    These facts can not be changed. Therefore those who complain about them should be regarded as the losers of this game.

    Cheers :)

  226. Denise says:

    @Maddie Blue

    I’m not exactly sure why you felt the need to post to me about trusting my instincts.I have a SD:) So I’m all set in that area.

    P4P is the norm now on this site and others like it. If it works for you then it works for you. I was pointing out to one pot SD why there are some SBs seeing multiple SDs at the same time. He’s seeking monogamy but worries that she’ll be running around town with any guy with a couple of hundred to throw her way. I basically told him why a SB might do that.

    There are splenda types offering $100 a day for hours of a SBs time. All in all some SBs have become in a sense escorts mainly because pieces of a full allowance are being given here and there. Can it add up to more than one SD can provide? Maybe. As we’ve read there is a SB that has a 20K allowance but she has to keep I think 7 SDs happy. There’s nothing wrong with a SB seeing multiple SDs nor is there anything wrong with the reverse.

  227. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @FlyBoy @ Denise
    What amuses me is that it takes you both, generally, so many words to say something that most educated folks could say in such fewer words. Now who likes to see themselves in print? Or perhaps hear themselves talk? LOL

  228. Promise says:

    Can’t we all just get along? *sigh*

  229. Denise says:

    Amen @FlyBoy!

    What I find strange is that for all of the men that claim to really value youth in women those same men tend to boast about providing the least.

  230. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh:

    However, you are correct in principle. Finding it difficult to post whorish “advice” under a female moniker, @FlyGirl posts as a man hoping to operate under radar.

    This is what you posted. Since I wrote about allowances, it is clear you consider this “whorish”.

    It amusing that your favorite insult is to accuse a male poster of being a women. And apparently to accuse a female poster (Denise) of being an escort. You have done this repeatedly which enforces the perception of you being a boring and obsessive man.

    I will not guess who you are, I will tell you.

    You are a pathetic little beta. You are a geek but didn’t study a technically challenging subject since your grasp of logic is shaky. You were in the wilderness when it came to dating. Women didn’t want to have anything to do with you. You never figured out why and changed course by learning game, instead you just continued living like a the pathetic beta you are.

    You came into money. Yeah, you discovered sugar and got yourself an SB. Rather than fuck her, enjoy her for a while and move on, your enormous thirst done you in. You fell in ‘love’ and jumped in the toxic pool. Lacking frame and the skills necessary to manage a woman in these strange days; she dumped you. Went to court and raped you, causing you to go mental.

    Now you are on holy crusade against SBs.

    I learn about women every day, but men I know very well.

    Cheers :)

  231. Josh says:

    @rem

    I have been writing pretty short messages for the same reason you mentioned above. There’s no point talking about what the newcomers and usual suspects have been writing in their long-ass messages lately.

  232. rembodler says:

    @ Denise:
    ” I haven’t had sex in years so clearly I can’t be an escort…”
    “…When I’m with my SD…

    Delusional… Again, back to my point – never argue with the Internet personas.
    Ok, darling, you are whatever you want to be… just do not forget to take your meds..

  233. Josh says:

    @Denise

    Did your vagina run out of batteries?

  234. Josh says:

    “I am new to this, but maybe how you deal with the discussion I has a lot to do with the chemistry. Trust your instincts, but don’t ruin the vibe?”

    This is how a non-escort deals with the same issue of allowance

  235. Denise says:

    @ Rembolder

    ” @ Denise
    And do not get me wrong, I understand how you are thinking.
    You think that now you are positioning yourself as a genuine honest SB, who will be exclusive (or at least semi-exclusive) and you won’t have the stigma of seeing several people on the same day attached to you. So – and that is how your thinking goes – “if I charged my clients X for an hour, now I am going to spend 4-6 hours in someone’s company and I am an innocent low-volume (oh, sorry, that is an escort term, scratch that) innocent monogamous SB. So my hour now should be at least 2X times 4 hours… makes it at least – at least – a 1k date”…
    It is just it does not work like that, darling, for a wide variety of reason…”
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    Incorrect again. Look I get that you’re a John but that’s not a surprise on a site like this. I haven’t had sex in years so clearly I can’t be an escort.

    When I’m with my SD I don’t think in terms of “how many hours, time etc”. As long as I have time to get back to work then I would be happy to spend more time with him. We actually hit the hiccup the first week of “time” because it’s all so new to me and not being intimate with anyone for so many years made me nervous.

    My SD provides a weekly allowance on the first day of the week we see each other. After that he can see me as much or as long as he wants a week. I’m not ticking hours or time because it’s not like that. If I was I could make in 3 hours what my allowance is in a week not to mention what he could also save in hotel fees that just in this last two weeks came to a sum of just over $1500 for 4 nights. He has three properties one of which is on the beach and I still opted for a one of those beach side hotels for comfort.

    _____________________________________________________________________________

    Another thing I find funny is how there is always a man creating some new rule for women.

    If she’s not having sex fast enough she’s a TEASE
    If she’s not having sex at all she’s a PRUDE
    If she benefits in any way from sex she’s a WHORE
    If she’s having sex too soon she’s a SLUT.
    If she’s not dropping everything at a moments notice to run around town with some egocentric man baby that needs free attention then oops she’s AN ENTITLED PRINCESS/ BRAT THAT WANTS TO BE SPOILED.

    Maybe that’s why women live longer. Having to deal with all of that nonsense for most of your life you need a few years waving “man” off.

    As usual I elect the “laugh” or “yawn” option because calling any sugar baby an escort is a shaming tactic to put them in their place for the ” I’ll give you something when I get around to it”. If I was an escort I could make what I get in a week in three hours of time maybe less. The rates over where I live are standard $350+ and up. I just don’t have the “stones” to run around with several different men to have sex that I’d probably not enjoy. I would be terrified of the same stories of rape and abuse that shows up in sugar.

    I have a pretty damn amazing SD (In person) and a pretty easy going SS (online only) . If that makes me an escort then I’m doing it all wrong.

    SS= sugar sub.

  236. Josh says:

    FlyGirl

    “@Josh:

    So any SB that wants an allowance is a whore in your view?”

    That’s typical female style of concocting a question of their liking and then answering it. The only thing you bring to the blog is to formulate it by pretending that you are a man.

  237. FlyBoy says:

    flyR:

    I think there is some wisdom to flyboy’s comments with the caveat that they apply to a segment of the market.

    Rather than the trappings of wealth she may be better off looking for the leadership, intellect and decisiveness associated with someone who has the resources to participate and the take charge attitude to proceed.

    Absolutely. There are many different “sugar relationships”. I describe the ones I am familiar with.

    Cheers :)

  238. rembodler says:

    @ Denise
    And do not get me wrong, I understand how you are thinking.
    You think that now you are positioning yourself as a genuine honest SB, who will be exclusive (or at least semi-exclusive) and you won’t have the stigma of seeing several people on the same day attached to you. So – and that is how your thinking goes – “if I charged my clients X for an hour, now I am going to spend 4-6 hours in someone’s company and I am an innocent low-volume (oh, sorry, that is an escort term, scratch that) innocent monogamous SB. So my hour now should be at least 2X times 4 hours… makes it at least – at least – a 1k date”…
    It is just it does not work like that, darling, for a wide variety of reason…

  239. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh:

    So any SB that wants an allowance is a whore in your view?

    Haha! I make no apologies, I am a rich guy who requires the women in his life to look a certain way. That look requires money, so I give it to them whether I met them here or at the local StarBucks. You see, women can not fuck with me and make me do stuff that I don’t to do, like you. I don’t view my interaction with them emotionally. It’s straight forward in my world. I wear a tailored suit, so she should have the dress to go with it. It’s as simple as this! Otherwise we will look strange and attract all manner of bad attention.

    I am not a 55 y/o pensioner who is looking for a 100 dollar whore to fuck in motel 6. I am a 44 y/o successful business man. My industry is dominated by men (Thank God) and my social circle wants to set me up with 35 y/o divorcees.

    SA has been a gold mine of beautiful women for me. These women want to be with men like me. Men who have a fun lifestyle at the top of life’s pyramid. Better yet, strong dominant men who do not bring insecurities and hangups along.

    Recently I came back to SA and had the same experience as before. Met the SB (22 blonde, slim, D cups … the works) on time. Had dinner at a boutique restaurant (that was good actually lol), walked to the party district and enjoyed ourselves until closing. Got a hotel room in the nearby Hilton (I love their app) and went to work. In the morning over breakfast, I gave her an AMEX (pre-paid) with 5K on it and told her to go to their website and register it so they will send her one in her name.

    This has been my repeated experience on SA. Why am I successful? Because the women are here to find me, or one like me. All I have to do is to not fuck it up. When I skyped with this one, I didn’t ask her to show me skin like a thirsty beta. I didn’t mention money. I didn’t mention sex. All I did was create attraction which she was open to. On the date I escalated smoothly since she was very comfortable with me by then. I raised the temperature until the last hour where I began to sexulize the interaction. By last call she was ready to fuck me on the couch in the club.

    I have seen her twice more and she still hasn’t spent more than 1K. SA has been good for me because I accept it’s premise. It’s that simple. I wrote the post to inform SBs that we are here and how to find us. They should listen to the advice because a sugar relationship is very enjoyable if done with the right person.

    You want to continue you war against SBs, go ahead. Nothing will change. The game will always have it’s losers and winners.

    Cheers :)

  240. flyR says:

    The above might be described sugar dating in france

  241. MaddieBlue says:

    @Denise
    What’s your bottom line? I see that the majority prefer a few dates to determine chemistry prior to entering an official “arrangement.” Are you saying that the SB should discuss allowance prior to even meeting the gentleman in person? My current SD and I met over coffee and brunch. There was already chemistry so I actually dreaded bringing up an “arrangement.” To be sure, we were texting the next night and I eventually brought it up. He said he would like to offer me a “gift” the first few times we get together and discuss an allowance from there. It was two text messages- one a piece for anyone who is counting.
    *Before I get bashed by those against p4p – I think this is fair enough. It is HIS money isn’t it? To further clarify, I wouldn’t have fucked his brains out if I didn’t want to.*
    Anyway, the second and third time we met we went on a nice long date and had a lot of fun. Each date ended with “mutual satisfaction” and exhaustion. In the morning my wallet was fat and we were both happy. This morning I met him before he left on a business trip to LA, we had breakfast and he offered me a generous allowance. I am new to this, but maybe how you deal with the discussion I has a lot to do with the chemistry. Trust your instincts, but don’t ruin the vibe?

  242. rembodler says:

    @Denise

    You just perfectly described yourself – an escort who is dabbing in sugar.
    You will always be disappointed with most SDs as it is hard-to-impossible to match getting the stream of money a decent escort ( and I assume you are a decent one) gets from seeing numerous clients from any single person.

  243. Promise says:

    @ss1959 OK!:D

  244. sexyrockstar says:

    I hope everyone is enjoying the weekend!

  245. ss1959 says:

    @Promise: Sorry? No reason to be. It’s kind of cute.

  246. flyR says:

    Most principals have the wisdom to abandon deals that are not moving …….

  247. Promise says:

    @Josh I’m having a lot of TL;DR moments myself. :(

  248. Josh says:

    What’s up with all these women posting long-ass messages today?

  249. Promise says:

    @ss1959 I’m sorry.

  250. Denise says:

    @MissLady
    @@denise, you make it sound so transactional. Sure there are those that are going for the hooker/john experience, but there are also those that are going for the ‘close to normal’ experience as well.

    Yes, ascertain that a SD is at least open to an allowance (which usually flushes out in the messages), do a couple of ‘dates’ see what the chemistry is like and then have a ‘numbers’ discussion if necessary. In my experience, my dates had all been generous after the first meet and even more so by the second. When I asked my current SD why he said it was because I didn’t come to the dates with the expectation of anything other than getting to know him, it showed and it made him want to do more.

    Being a SB is weird enough, I try to make it as ‘close to normal’ as possible but still take the arrangement for what it is, NSA and a good time.
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    Actually I’m not making it transactional. We all know why we’re here. Running around town meeting a bunch of different men isn’t something I find fun or even exciting. I’m exactly the same with traditional dating. If I talk to a regular date and I get a vibe that what I’m seeking doesn’t match with what he’s looking for, sitting across the table with him is a waste of both of our time.

    I’ve never really dated men in the traditional sense because I was bored or lonely. I specifically dated men that I felt had similar common interests or goals in a relationship.

    Sugar dating is no different in that respect. If I don’t know what he’s seeking or what he offers it feels like I’m going out blind.

    Most of the horror stories seem to come from exactly that. These ladies run out meet one man after the other and waste their time playing “regular dating” with men that would typically not get a response on a regular dating site. I also don’t enjoy the “danging bits of possible assistance” after jumping through enough hoops.

    Most of the men that meet a lady know almost instantly if they’re interested. It doesn’t really require 3-10 dates galavanting around town.
    __________________________________________________________________________
    @Rembodier-

    Cold and calculating? Incorrect. My SD clearly knows how much of a cuddle monster I am. Point is he makes me feel safe, protected and adored. Plus the sex is awesome!

    Safe and protected physically, mentally, financially and emotionally. I’m not really cut out for NSA anything normally. The strangest thing for me is how comfortable I am with him almost to the point of forgetting that I’m in an arrangement.

    The one faux SD that was dropped in three messages clearly didn’t desire offering anything but his outdated sex skills. Yes he’s here to hook up allowance free but he’ll never add that tidbit to his profile.

    Also Entitled? Incorrect again. I’m not entitled to anything more than you are which is exactly the point you missed.

    You want to regular date? Then state that. You want to sugar date? Then SUGAR DATE.

    Just a few weeks ago a SD asked me if I was like the other SBs “a professional SB”. He went on to explain the ones that have multiples and just pop around from one man to another all week long. Obviously I’m not but I had to explain why SBs are doing this.

    First there is a subset of SD type that really hates being a provider. Yes the very desire most SBs have makes some men disgusted. So with this type he’s seeking the regular dating disguise. He’s oooh so concerned with a sugar baby really wanting him for him which just creates extra problems when it comes to allowance. In other words he really wants her to want him without the financial assistance because his ego is far too fragile to think otherwise. What he fails to understand is that the freer he is with allowance and spends quality one on one time with his SB, the more she’ll feel for him naturally.

    The moment she has to wait around wondering will be the moment he’ll receive the ” pretend interest”. The financial aspect is the most important thought in her mind and that will be there throughout the entire “event” this SD wants her to sit through. She may be there in person but mentally she will not be in attendance.

    Just think about that one SD inviting a bunch of pot SBs to a gathering with a bunch of men. He had no intention of providing anything. His desire was to look like a stud where all of these women show up wanting to meet him.

    Now think about the cold calculating attitude you have to have to do something like that.
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    Just recently a friend of mine started sugaring. She’s been talking to a Pot and wondered why he was already making so many plans. He wants to go line dancing, gym work outs together, long packed days of fun. It sounds great but what has he failed to even mention? Allowance.

    I told her simply that she should first meet with him for a smoothie or cocoa and work out what they’re both seeking first. There’s no point in starting an arrangement without starting an arrangement. Why would she jump up and run around dating him when the arrangement isn’t even in place? Sounds time consuming and selfish if you ask me.

    It’s obvious that he desires companionship but once again he’s trying to get what he wants and use ” well it’s fun so why should I give you anything for it”. Fun is subjective. If you’re financially struggling then you’re not going to have fun no matter what the activity. You’ll be even more annoyed with the fact that the SD is clearly ignoring the purpose you signed up to the site in the first place.

  251. UncommonSB says:

    @Dark CRE is one of the realms in which I operate. It is a very small world.

  252. DarkHorseSD says:

    I’m actually in commercial real estate and have always seen the guys running to get deals done get their heads bitten off by the sharks.

    But that’s only the viewpoint of a principle whose money is involved, not the workers who depend on generating fees for their mortgages and kids’ tuition.

  253. ss1959 says:

    @Promise, you sound so sweet and innocent, you trigger all my paternal protective instincts.

  254. Promise says:

    @FlyBoy. “A 20 y/o virgin is worthwhile because she can make a great wife,” That made me feel nice.

  255. DarkHorseSD says:

    Well, there certainly are different kinds of rich people, but there isn’t even a rich person for everyone, let alone a rich person in a niche of rich people for everyone.

  256. rembodler says:

    @HoToTrot
    “Rich men understand everyone has a price” – bingo!
    Thus the rich man knows that the price of a grande Americano at Sturbucks is $2.85. And if you try to sell it to him for $50, he will curse you and go elsewhere. He can buy that shop – he just won’t buy that coffee. Regardless, his cute secretary brought it to him already and it is on the company’s tap.
    It is interesting though that an escort and a FlyBoy think alike…;-).

  257. HoToTrot says:

    @flyboy
    “Rich men are not worried about ‘Gold Diggers'”
    In my experience, that has been true. Usually broke men complaining about “gold diggers”. Rich men understand everyone has a price.

  258. flyR says:

    I think there is some wisdom to flyboy’s comments with the caveat that they apply to a segment of the market.

    Rather than the trappings of wealth she may be better off looking for the leadership, intellect and decisiveness associated with someone who has the resources to participate and the take charge attitude to proceed.

    One gem from a friend in commercial real estate – deals are like sharks they are moving ahead or dying. Either move it ahead or forget it and move on. Goes for both sides of sugar too.

  259. UncommonSB says:

    @flyR LOL

  260. flyR says:

    On a good day Joshie reminds me an 18 year old raised in some remote corner of the jungle. Still believes his medicine man, his tribal chief and himself possess the knowledge of the world and the wisdom of the ages. If there is a purgatory Josh will be forced to read all 57,891 of his posts when acquires the wisdom and humility to understand the level from which they were made.

  261. flyR says:

    VZP have you put your profile ID up here , if you have and will repeat I will contact but if you haven’t I would not post . are you in contact with sexy or struggle if so they know how to contact me

  262. Josh says:

    @VZP

    @flyR and FlyGirl will miss you indeed.

  263. VZP says:

    @blogGoddess. Can you please email me FlyR email as requested prior by FlyR… i was dumb and used my personal email for this blog and have not created a throwaway as suggested by OnlineNewbie Yet. Thank you

    Sorry I’m out tonight will get back to this tomorrow have not been able to catch up n read

  264. rembodler says:

    @FlyBoy
    Sorry, I am too lazy to do it and I think you can figure it out…;-). In general (and this is terribly un-PC, I apologize and mean no disrespect to ppl with disabilities, it is simply a comedian-type joke for adults), arguing with Internet personas is like playing in special Olympics – even if you win, you are still a retard…

  265. Josh says:

    @rem

    I don’t talk about Sex and the City as much as @FunDude.

    However, you are correct in principle. Finding it difficult to post whorish “advice” under a female moniker, @FlyGirl posts as a man hoping to operate under radar.

  266. flyR says:

    VZP I realize the pay by date is an emotional struggle for many women ( and it should be) but you might look carefully at the totality of the relationship and see if that brings you more comfort before making an ultimatum or drifting away . A lot of men are insensitive in the delivery of the allowance to the point of some leaving it on the bedside table ( so I have been told)

    One alternative is that he opens a new debit card account in his name and gives the card to you. He is expected to have the money in the account at a time that’s comfortable with you. For the SD it makes it easy.

    Some of you might have noticed some interesting things in the financial world the past few weeks . Seemingly random calls for the elimination of cash and now the NY banks prohibiting the keeping of cash in safe deposit boxes. The banks and the feds don’t want you to have cash. They want it all in and flowing through the banking system. These are the same banksters who brought you the latest crash and who got get out of jail cards from the admn. It’s not likely that they are worried about your best interests .

    High allowance SB’s should also be aware that the banks are required to notify the feds of cash transactions in excess of 10,000 or a pattern of transactions which exceed 10,000 with some industry exemptions retail gambling etc.

  267. FlyBoy says:

    I have never watched “Sex and the City”, not even once. But since you are obsessed with it, maybe you care to tell me what do you mean.

    Cheers :)

  268. rembodler says:

    After reading FlyBoy advice, I am afraid I may need to side with Josh…that is an advice from someone who watched a bit too much “Sex and the City”…:-)))).

  269. FlyBoy says:

    @VZP; I didn’t mean anything by my question. I just thought if you were venting then I shouldn’t waste time typing this.

    The first thing for you to do, is to acknowledge the reality that most men on here are not SDs. This is congruent with the economy and therefore is unavoidable in a mass market site such as SA. Your duty is to come up with a system to weed out the majority of men you will be interacting with. Will come back to this later.

    The second thing for you to do, is drop the talk about your worth. A 20 y/o virgin is worthwhile because she can make a great wife, but an ordinary 30 y/o women is worthless. If you were in the business of selling sex, then your price is equal to the price of a pro in backpage. So avoid talking about your worth.

    What you want to do instead, is ask yourself this question: What would make me happy about the arrangement/relationship? 2K, 3K, or 5K per month. Once you decide what the number is, spell it out in your profile (or early in the communication process) without justifying it. An allowance is a luxury that can not be justified, so don’t try. He is either the allowance type guy or he isn’t. Your job is to learn as quickly as possible.

    I believe the allowance is the best screening tool that exists. An intelligent SB would ask about the allowance form the get go. If she were lucky and found a real SD, then and only then she should consider his other attributes (Height, hair, ethnicity .. etc). In other words she would not become emotionally invested with an “SD” only to find out later that he is a poser.

    A lot of posters will tell you that they will be offended if a pot brought the subject of an allowance too soon. Some will you that they got more because they didn’t discuss that hated subject .. etc. Ignore it all. It’s fantasy and bullshit. Rich men are not worried about “Gold Diggers”, to the contrary they love them. Why wouldn’t we? They are a subset of women who will do whatever it takes to be with us. What more can we ask for?

    I am going to tell you something that will shock you. Not only should you not be afraid to appear as a gold digger, you should wear it proudly. Why? Because the vast majority of ordinary men will walk away form a gold digger, and that’s a good thing. You see the last thing you want to do is go and meet an ordinary man pretending to be an SD. Why?

    Ordinary man pretending to be an SD waiting in the restaurant.

    You arrive all dolled up and pretty. You are all in trying to seduce him .. etc. At the end of the night you leave thinking that you have done good and the allowance will shortly materialize. Anythings is possible I guess, but more likely the man left chocking with resentment. Yep, because you have spent the evening demonstrating to him how women treat men of high status.

    Alas you women are whores for high status men. Just last night in the bar, after talking to this 8 for a few minutes, I had my tongue down her throat and right hand squeezing her tit while the other was squeezing her ass. Did she run away screaming sexual assault? No, she went and sat with her male friend and after an hour came back for a second round after which she give me her digits without asking. Would she have responded positively if I weren’t the guy surrounded by suits treating me like their boss, which incidentally I am lol. The moral of the story is, you girls let the top get away with murder and treat the rest like shit. The last thing you want to do is demonstrate this reality to an ordinary guy.

    Finally, develop an ability to recognize wealth. Look at images of tailored suits. Look at fancy shoes, the mechanical watches … etc. Learn how a rich man looks like these days. Research the top restaurants in your town. You can use them as a screening tool. OMG you like french food, my girlfriend told me about XYZ and it would be fantastic to go try it with you. Give him the URL, wait for his reaction to the $50 appetizer 😉

    etc etc etc. Yes wealth does not guarantee generosity. But generosity without wealth is useless to an SB.

    Happy Searching for an SD :)

    PS: I omitted P4P and other practices that go on in the bowl because I have no direct experience with them.

  270. rembodler says:

    @VZP
    ” In their minds they think ok on to the next one to avoid the allowance and continue the pay per date”…

    You are confusing me… or you are indeed confused. “Avoiding the allowance” and “continue the pay per date” are two very different situations. “Continue pay per date’ – is your allowance, just payed to you in weekly installments. I am not sure, what is the difference between the allowance and pay per date if someone is consistently doing that? The only difference i see is that you can take the allowance if paid in advance and run…why would anyone want to do it?

  271. HoToTrot says:

    @ss1959
    Yes! And it’s very sexy when it’s unexpected. Busy man trying to squeeze me into his hectic life. When not done too often,it’s special.

  272. HoToTrot says:

    I know. @FlyR’s mechanic skills sounded kinda hot!

  273. ss1959 says:

    Does anybody here ever hook up with an ex- SD or SB for an afternoon booty call?

  274. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @FlyR
    Honey, you can come fix my brakes any time. 😉 LOL

  275. flyR says:

    @ Secret – The background you present is way too common today for a number of reasons –

    many jobs are disappearing (technology, foreign outsourcing, imports, internet purchasing)

    we are adding 2-5 million illegals a year to the job market.

    I would sell the positives , not your situation and then make the serious SD an offer he can not refuse. I have an SB whose ego does not need expensive entertaining and there’s some voluntary added compensation in the allowance for that. She’s happy with bbq or takeout dinner at the house or casual restaurant,

    In most cases it is REALLY important that you insulate your SD from the drama in your life. Very few guys are shopping for drama and most of them are looking for drama queens . Most guys also have a “fix-it” gene that makes them want to solve problems. Women like to process problems rather than solve them as a general rule.

    Woman – my brakes are making a funny noise

    Guy – come over a little early on Saturday and I’ll take a look at them

    Woman – my former boyfirend did that once and the dealer charged me to fix it. My hairdresser says I should take it to his boyfriends gas station, My mother only uses the dealers.

    Guy (thinking) – (((( I built race cars during undergrad, managed a team afterwards and worked with Chevy or the early vett program ……. but I am sure the hairdresser is more qualified))

    consumer disposable income is being eaten away by taxes , hidden taxes ( 30% of my utility bill goes to hyper expensive green power plus subsidizing the low income users affected by the charges) , obamacare, regulations) .

  276. VZP says:

    My apologies again. I understand I am often misunderstood when writting. I am never one to stir trouble or be disrespectful in any way. I am here to learn and gain perspective. I promise people love me in person. I have a great energy but am at most “real” & humble. I aM quite the character. I’m not complaining .. well maybe a little. And yes positive feed back makes me feel better ;). I am appreciative to all of you who do respond.

  277. FlyBoy says:

    @VZP: Are you here to complain and thus feel better, or are you really looking for help?

    Cheers :)

  278. flyR says:

    @ VZP “”I’m starting to feel this process is too much like dating irl. I date a pot few dates. He’ll be generous and gift me some cash. Then I say ok we are both feeling eachother let’s make the arrangements determine allowance and then we can be on Mary way…”why do I have to do this part if it’s a fricken given on the site and was known from the start allowance is excpeted…like umm… duh?” .. well when I’m feeling like an escort and I am not one I am not walking that line. I do my part you do yours… but then it’s the whole cop out “you make me feel like an ATM” seriously cause you think pay per date is too much … what a fricken joke. IRL same thing you date you feel eachother the female says let’s take it to the next level he says I don’t want to be in a relationship wtf? Have we not been behaving like we are in one. . I’m growing very tired of this game … of course I am here for an allowance if I wanted to deal with bullshit I’d stay dating IRL I shouldn’t even be placed in a position to have to explain this to a POT if he’s on this fricken site!””

    Some suggestions

    a) Set personal expectation three step plan
    1 – In initial connection ( email or phone) verify that he is looking for an arrangement and prepared to enter into one , and has read and understood your profile

    2- Look for one and possibly two meets to decide if this will work , no compensation other than incidentals

    3- End of first or second meeting commence arrangement. Personally I think it is MUCH easier if the transition occurs the same evening. If it is second meet I’ll offer an early dinner or cocktails either at my place ( with the stipulation that it is without any commitment on either part) or something nearby. Have extended to third for special situation. If both have screened well the first meet is really an acceptance inspection by both.

    I think open ended questions are essential very early in the screening process.

    ‘Looking back what things or characteristics did you like the most about your sugar relationship(s) . What caused problems

    If a first timer I would ask the potential are you comfortable giving (or receiving) an allowance in an intimate relationship and are you sure you can be comfortable with an age gap of X . ( might ask what’s the oldest you have enjoyed dating)

    What would your prior SB say was the best thing about your relationship ? If the answer is money it would be a red flag, not because the money is important but it should not be the first thing UNLESS you feel the same .

    Understand that a virgin or low time SD may have difficulty talking about the allowance, especially in a public venue unless there is some privacy

    prior to the first meet but after you have discussed other stuff and you are genuinely interested
    ” You sound like the type of man I would like to find here because xyz . While I am looking for much more than just the allowance, the allowance is an essential part of ANY arrangement I will be considering , are you comfortable with an allowance in the x range assuming we are both comfortable with eachother and we met on a x frequency

  279. AmusedSD says:

    @VZP
    No. You’re right. An allowance shouldn’t be a surprise. Then you’re dealing with some cheap-ass mo-fo’s.

  280. VZP says:

    Guys it’s isn’t one circumstance it’s all. And I at this time because I am new keep the allowance on the low range I do not have a set amount I did not price myself out its the moment it comes down to it they simply don’t want to give an allowance on top of the spending they choose to spend. It’s frustrating I give them all the room to determine what they can afford or feel us acceptable. In their minds they think ok on to the next one to avoid the allowance and continue the pay per date. I of course continue my search because I belive the idea is in fact attainable. I’m willing to start low n work my way up by proving myself. But I will not give n give n be used then I’m just fool being treated like I would in the real dating world. Here it is just known by all “MUTUALLY beneficial” It shouldn’t be a surprise or taken as insult when it comes down to “business”

  281. AmusedSD says:

    @Darkhorse
    She was fresh out of grad school. Had never done this before. Kept looking away and wouldn’t talk to me. It was pretty clear she signed up on a lark, got cold feet, but didn’t call off the meeting, thereby wasting everybody’s time.

    Nope. She didn’t ask for the money at the end. But, I made clear that the date didn’t go well and we didn’t need to try to see each other again.

  282. AmusedSD says:

    @VZP
    My recommendations other than what you got here is:
    1. Don’t do P4P.
    2. Ask them if they’re *comfortable* with an allowance before you do much talking.
    3. Don’t go past the 2nd date without discussing an allowance

    “I refuse to settle for less then i deserve.”
    “Its the low grade whores they would rather have. I’ve been told it is simple as they can get it cheaper so they do.”

    Well……those two sentences are a bit of a dichotomy, aren’t they?

    Let’s take a look at it. If you’re young and in college, if you were to work 40 hours a week for $10 an hour, that comes out to being $2,000 a month. Take all the taxes out and it gets down to about $1,200 a month. So, in that range, a SD giving an allowance, an occasional gift and being there in case you get a new apartment and need to deck it out, your car breaks down or you have some type of unexpected expense, a monthly allowance of $1,500 – $2,500 actually makes a big difference in your life.

    Let’s say you’re out of college and have credit card bills and school loans to pay off. Well, then you’d probably need $2,500 – $5,000 a month to help out and get ahead. Asking the question, what do you bring to the table to be worth twice as much as a nice, attractive college girl? There can be a lot of answers to that, but the question is do you? And you quite possibly might, I’m not saying you don’t, but no matter how fabulous you are, if you’re asking for $5,000 a month and the guy can get someone very sweet and attractive for $2,000 a month, he’s not going to pay an additional $36,000 a year to spend time with you without it being something *he* considers worthwhile.

    $5,000 a month doesn’t sound like that much, but it’s $60,000 a year. Do you know what kind of person I can get paying $60,000 a year. Or how hard it is to get a $60,000 a year job? If you want a $5,000 a month allowance, that’s what you’re asking for. I’d like to be your girlfriend for $60,000 plus a year. Tax free.

    Then the girls that ask for high, which is above $10,000 a month. They want to get paid $150,000 a year to be the guy’s girlfriend. Some women are worth that. But what percentage? And how many guys are really going to be spending $150,000 and more just to date a girl?

    As Kenna and others have said earlier, if you find the right guy, it’s much easier to start a little lower and as things get going let it gradually be bumped up.

    I have no idea what your circumstances are. I have no idea whether you’re asking the right price and running into cheap-ass bastards or whether you’re pricing yourself out of the market.

    I just point this out, when people go ‘I know my worth’, but I’m losing out to ‘cheap-ass whores’ who the guys prefer.

  283. DarkHorseSD says:

    @Amused…she didn’t even like you enough to ask you for the money at some point? LöL

  284. AmusedSD says:

    @Denise
    “I understand that you felt she put you on the back burner yet needs help but here’s the kicker: When a pot SD wants to “hang out” prior to an arrangement being in place I would assume “time waster looking for arm candy”.”

    She was asking for $500 before we had any type of arrangement or even met. I told her that I would help her if things went well. What part of that says time waster? I didn’t bring up the comedy club before she brought up the $500 in bills that were stressing her out.

    @Darkhorse
    No. I didn’t give her the money. She didn’t ask a single question to me or ask me anything the hour we were together. I was going to volunteer some information, but after awhile, it was comical how she wouldn’t ask me *anything*. Not even something simple like when she was telling me about the concert she went to the night before “…and what was the last concert you saw?”

    I would never try to stretch a 1:00 meeting into an all day affair with someone I had never met. It was an 8:00 show. Probably meet for food beforehand, go to the show and let her hang with her friends after the show at 10:00. Yeah…..no way near an all day thing tried or wanted.

    But you’re absolutely right, if I wanted stress and hassle in my life, I would have stayed married. I did not contact her after the date, deleted everything I had relating to her and blocked her on my phone.

  285. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Hmn. What if it ranges from Lucky to St. John?”

    Negotiable…with DEFINED range.

  286. DarkHorseSD says:

    Also it’s time to introduce body type recognition software into online dating. Include the cropped out portions of the profile pics as input and determine body type.

    Software can also recognize labels and set expectations.

    Scan passports and DLs for age.

    No more self verifications.

    Users that verify through SA get badges indicating.

  287. UncommonSB says:

    “change the allowance names…have them sponsored by stores and designers like Guess, H&M, Marc Jacobs…”

    Hmn. What if it ranges from Lucky to St. John?

  288. rembodler says:

    @VZP

    I agree with DHSD – I also could not tease from your story what exactly happened to you. It looks – and I am just guessing – like you got to the negotiation part and priced yourself out. You can lower your expectations or move on to the next POT. That is what everyone else does here. If you are unhappy that it took a couple more dates than you expected AND you have a set amount in mind, bring it up earlier.

  289. DarkHorseSD says:

    change the allowance names…have them sponsored by stores and designers like Guess, H&M, Marc Jacobs…

    Require girls to select the expectation based on what they CURRENTLY wear.

  290. Josh says:

    Defining a”low grade whores”

    I find it interesting that some SBs find themselves qualified…

    The only person who may qualify is a low grade whore is either a whore or a pimp or a john.

    That said it seems that many women seems to be fine with becoming a high paying whore, if they can demand and get a high amount.

  291. DarkHorseSD says:

    “It’s getting through the mud that makes it difficult.”

    Yes it is.

    “they want act like they have money and can afford it but bottom line they can’t ”

    What can’t they afford?

  292. Promise says:

    @GP I miss him too.

  293. VZP says:

    Idk why merry way is difficult to understand how or why I associated it to the arrangement.. you continue onto your journey of indulging into one another become prosperous. . Isn’t that the dream.. to be happy on your journey together which can only happen once the final step of setting an arrangement is done ..

  294. VZP says:

    You want your cake and to eat it AS DO I ..”MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL” IT isn’t a difficult concept or non of us would here. It’s getting through the mud that makes it difficult.

  295. VZP says:

    Its isn’t just one circumstances To share. Its jus been the general consensus they want act like they have money and can afford it but bottom line they can’t lol.

    And @I do always ask if no one wants you IRL, who will want you for IRL + $ ?
    i didn’t imply no one wants me. I refuse to settle for less then i deserve. I know and am confident I’m doing my part. Its the low grade whores they would rather have. I’ve been told it is simple as they can get it cheaper so they do. When i am flexible and non demanding.

  296. UncommonSB says:

    Very interesting vid a friend shared with me today [http://www.laterceratv.cl/index.php?m=video&v=42643]

  297. DarkHorseSD says:

    @VZP, I’m not very good at reading Woman English. Could you explain in Man English what actually happened?

  298. DarkHorseSD says:

    I typed Merry Way into google maps and didn’t see SA anywhere along the route.

  299. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Darkhorse “Who’s Mary?”
    You are such a hoot!

    Hmmm. Wonder where Dr FunDude is? Perhaps he is “pumping” more than iron and is with his young, blond 23 yr old. LOL He hasn’t been around here very much lately.

  300. DarkHorseSD says:

    I do always ask if no one wants you IRL, who will want you for IRL + $ ?

  301. VZP says:

    Lol @Dark horse… Merry Way …

  302. DarkHorseSD says:

    Who’s Mary?

  303. VZP says:

    I’m starting to feel this process is too much like dating irl. I date a pot few dates. He’ll be generous and gift me some cash. Then I say ok we are both feeling eachother let’s make the arrangements determine allowance and then we can be on Mary way…”why do I have to do this part if it’s a fricken given on the site and was known from the start allowance is excpeted…like umm… duh?” .. well when I’m feeling like an escort and I am not one I am not walking that line. I do my part you do yours… but then it’s the whole cop out “you make me feel like an ATM” seriously cause you think pay per date is too much … what a fricken joke. IRL same thing you date you feel eachother the female says let’s take it to the next level he says I don’t want to be in a relationship wtf? Have we not been behaving like we are in one. . I’m growing very tired of this game … of course I am here for an allowance if I wanted to deal with bullshit I’d stay dating IRL I shouldn’t even be placed in a position to have to explain this to a POT if he’s on this fricken site! … i have an email from a former POT i would love to share with discussing this matter. basically says well after reviewing the spending budget then placing allowance on top of it it isn’t inexpensive and there are cheaper option out there. With the ratio to SD to SB I can see how difficult it can be for woman when there is so much cheaper competition out there.. lol what a joke…

  304. KennaKenna says:

    @Promise get some real life experience. I’m not saying date losers but get out there and experience stuff- my first experience was IRL, he taught me a lot and I’m the woman I am today partly because of him.

    I said all that to say I was young and naive once just like you and if you’re going to continue online, be very very very careful because some men will see innocence, tell you what you want to hear, use you and then discard you.

    So again, be careful!

    Xx

  305. KennaKenna says:

    @Denise

    I completely disagree. If I had brought up allowance talk prior to meeting my man, I probably wouldn’t have made it as far as a first date.

    Even now, I don’t ask unless I NEED, he just provides and offers.

  306. Promise says:

    I’ve never even been on a date before so I don’t even know what you would say. Also I always give short answers to everything.

  307. Secret says:

    @Josh Being independent since I was 17 has taught me a lot about life actually. I have paid for EVERYTHING I own! I don’t receive any assistance from anyone, but sometimes you have to ask for help and let your pride down. I have come to learn that. As I am in between jobs (have been for far too long as no one seems to bite the hook in the job world), luck just hasn’t been on my side lately. I’m hoping something comes along relatively soon. Wish me luck!

  308. MissLady says:

    Josh says:
    April 25, 2015 at 6:56 am
    I have changed my first dinner dates to first coffee dates. It’s better on my schedule to be stood up for coffee than to screw with my dinner plans.

    Nothing worse than having to sit through a long uncomfortable/awkward meal and trying to come up with small talk.

  309. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Josh says:
    April 25, 2015 at 6:56 am
    I have changed my first dinner dates to first coffee dates. It’s better on my schedule to be stood up for coffee than to screw with my dinner plans.”

    Totally.

    Also use the advantage of meeting in a public spot, not inside a place where she or you are already seated, ordering and facing some uncomfortable scene. Some first impressions should last no more than the time it takes to walk away.

  310. Josh says:

    I have changed my first dinner dates to first coffee dates. It’s better on my schedule to be stood up for coffee than to screw with my dinner plans.

  311. DarkHorseSD says:

    AmusedSD, another thing you will find is these SBs with no money, no job, huge tuition bills, $1500 apartments…all have hugely busy lives and social schedules…up to and including jetting all over the world for days or weeks in lieu of pursuing their SD search and their job search. 😉

    Perhaps she is even spending the summer at Caanes. (Cons?)

    Of course, they are new in town, have no friends, family or social connections. Just plans, plans, plans. They do you the favor of not taking much of your time, all at a premium price. After all, they have friends in from out of town and need to spend time with them.

  312. DarkHorseSD says:

    AmusedSD: the other form of scam you fell for with this one – yes, you got two in one! – is the bill stress play. It’s the form where money is requested upfront without really requesting it upfront 😉 a The passive aggressive scam, if you will.

    Anyway, acquiescing to first meeting money demands gets you dates with scammers, plain and simple. If she’s not a grifter, she knows better than to ask for money that early. Naive 18+ years olds how just don’t know better don’t exist – and if they did, why would you want to bring them into your life? Don’t you have enough crap to deal with already? If you don’t, do you want some? :)

  313. MissLady says:

    @denise, you make it sound so transactional. Sure there are those that are going for the hooker/john experience, but there are also those that are going for the ‘close to normal’ experience as well.

    Yes, ascertain that a SD is at least open to an allowance (which usually flushes out in the messages), do a couple of ‘dates’ see what the chemistry is like and then have a ‘numbers’ discussion if necessary. In my experience, my dates had all been generous after the first meet and even more so by the second. When I asked my current SD why he said it was because I didn’t come to the dates with the expectation of anything other than getting to know him, it showed and it made him want to do more.

    Being a SB is weird enough, I try to make it as ‘close to normal’ as possible but still take the arrangement for what it is, NSA and a good time.

  314. DarkHorseSD says:

    AmusedSD: “Right then and there, I was about to call it off. She wanted help early, but her plans were more important than doing something with me.”

    You’ll find when “call it off” flashes even instantaneously through your mind, doing so is the right action to take.

    You ran into a classic form of scam. The plan changer, the delayed meeting, the plans right after…

    In this one, you didn’t get downgraded to a John, you got downgraded to a sucker. If you gave her the $440, the scam worked well for her. If you didn’t, she still had her series of suckers that day she was hauling cash in from.

    You were too desperate to meet her. Late people must be dropped. You also fell for the “I’m already here” line from an abuser. She had a soft touch on the line.

    You got too caught up in the first meeting. Trying to stretch 1pm sushi into late night comedy for the first meeting is a terrible idea. Spending that much time with a new person is a terrible idea. It may have given the scammer the idea you were a good target easily manipulated.

  315. rembodler says:

    @Josh
    Completely agree regarding Denise. Cold, calculating, entitled. Would be a terrible mistake not to next her at the “three message”level.

  316. DarkHorseSD says:

    I had nothing to do with the comment our latest blog SB-scammer Denise referred to. What substances are you on, Denise?

  317. Josh says:

    @Denise

    I feel sorry for your SD. Those who get rid of you through messages are better of.

  318. gtt_envy says:

    @Josh, Great actresses :)

    The sooner SDs realize this the better. They aren’t really into you just playing the game.

  319. Denise says:

    DarkHorse’s comment:

    “@Sexy
    And I hope to fucking God you’re not discussing allowance before you meet. That sounds so gross. “Hey, I have no idea if I find you attractive or if I like you, but I can do 300 pay to play””
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    I understand you’re giving your view from your side of the sugar bowl but I would never recommend a SB to just meet a bunch of random guys from the site without allowance being discussed. Sorry on this I strongly disagree.

    @ Sexy I have avoid quite a few ” time wasters or pretenders” without even leaving the comfort of my home. If he’s can’t discuss what his budget may be or what he’s willing to offer then I would pass on him.

    Even my SD discussed allowance but just didn’t feel comfortable doing so in messages on the site.

    A few members contacted me and just by the way they talked and kept steering away from the allowance discussion I realized they had no intention of offering one. One man in particular laughed because I politely wished him well on his journey when I figured him out within three messages. He then decided to ask a bunch of unnecessary questions because his ego couldn’t handle the ” not falling for it”. He even tried the ” there are hookers and johs here but there are also men like me looking for a NSA relations. It was like did he really believe duping women and trying to make it sound nice was going to work?lol

  320. Denise says:

    Darn forgot to put a line break. Really wish I knew how to quote on this forum

  321. Denise says:

    @Amused SD ( I just read your post)

    {#1 – Tall statuesque blonde who was Homecoming queen. Talked to her and she seemed nice.
    After talking 2-3 days, she said she was *really* stressing over two bills she had. Both of them were about $220, so less than $500 for both of them. We set up to meet for sushi at 1:00 p.m. that weekend. I told her that the amount wasn’t that much, but I normally don’t give out money before meeting someone and knowing whether we were going to work out, but let’s meet and see what happened.

    20 minutes later, I found out a good friend was going to be headlining the comedy club and invited her to go with me that weekend. She told me she had plans that night, but could still meet for sushi at 1:00 p.m. Right then and there, I was about to call it off. She wanted help early, but her plans were more important than doing something with me.

    Saturday comes and at 12:30 or so, she tells me she won’t be down until 4:00. I tell her to just let me know when she’ll want to get together. At 4:30, I haven’t heard from her, after a text, she agrees to meet at 6:30. At 6:15, I text her that I’ll be a few minutes, but not very late. She tells me that’s fine, but she has to meet up with her friends at 7:30. I pick up the phone and say ‘Ummm…..why don’t we just meet another time?’ “Oh. I’m already here.” Needless to say, the date was a disaster.
    But wanting money, not being flexible, putting me on the clock without saying that. There was no way it was going to end up well. … Before that we chatted and the chats went real well. She got cold feet and just didn’t want to admit it. I had to ask her why she wasted my time in even bothering to meet. ”

    I understand that you felt she put you on the back burner yet needs help but here’s the kicker: When a pot SD wants to “hang out” prior to an arrangement being in place I would assume “time waster looking for arm candy”.

    I’m almost fairly certain that if you were offering her a partial allowance or “gift” then I think she would think ooh ok this SD is real.

    As we’ve already read above there are members that have no intention of starting an arrangement and pretty much use the site for regular dating.

    Personally I’d rather spend time talking on the phone with a pot SD to discuss what he’s seeking and start from there. The “let’s date for a while and “maybe” seems a tad cruel because the time she’s spending with you could be spent working, school etc.

    The point I’m trying to make is that you could offer a Comedy Club date after your arrangement has been established.

    Even the whole social situation with a complete stranger seems highly uncomfortable. I’m honestly not surprised she flaked. Had it been me I would have said yes too. Then of course the day of I would have been frantic to the point that I would be dressed ready to walk out the door but stuck in a position of ” can I do this/ no you can’t do this”.

  322. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @rembodler
    Cute. I remember George Carlin from the “Thomas the Tank” PBS television series my son grew up with. Mr. Carlin played “the Conductor” for a few seasons. Cute show, quite educational. BTW, Ringo Star was the first Conductor on the show, then Mr. Carlin, followed by Alec Baldwin. All did a great job. I have the VHS tapes of the series – really need to get them put on DVD’s since likely Collectors items. :)

  323. flyR says:

    VZP

    You simply write a post

    bloggoddess please send my email to VZP

  324. Josh says:

    “I am independent, that’s why it is hard for me to be here in the first place, but I need a helping hand! I need someone to help me get back on my feet after a downfall.”

    Ain’t independence a bitch?

  325. Secret says:

    Thanks to everyone who is responding and helping me, I really appreciate it! :)

  326. Secret says:

    @gentleman and @flyR Of course I reply with sensitivity. I don’t reply with exactly what I am telling you, what I am relaying to you is more of what I am thinking. I am in great shape as I workout out 4-5 times a week. I have my hair down a fitted shirt and shorts- a body picture so you can see that I take care of myself. Then I have a face shot where you can actually see my face. I am looking for an actual SD and mentor, not a boyfriend. Okay so maybe 20 years older not 15. I don’t want to look like I am going out with my Grandfather either..shallow? I am independent, that’s why it is hard for me to be here in the first place, but I need a helping hand! I need someone to help me get back on my feet after a downfall.

  327. rembodler says:

    @GP
    Per Comedian: [Steve Martin: “I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy.”]

    My favorite per Comedian always was:
    [George Carlin: “Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn’t selling fucking legal? “]

  328. Denise says:

    Hello there sugary goodness!

    I’m dreading my “week off” that will arrive some time in the next 14 days:( My SD is the kind of man that I want to be snuggling up to when I’m not feeling so well. Meh.

    Glad to see the blog in a positive swing:)

  329. Promise says:

    @Josh she’ll suffice. X//D

  330. Josh says:

    @Promise

    How about the current one?

  331. Promise says:

    @Josh I hope your next SB really really likes you.

  332. GeorgiaPeach says:

    Per Comedian: [Steve Martin: “I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy.”]

  333. AliceS says:

    @Dark Horse I wanted to say something nice about you but now I won’t.

    /( -_-)\

  334. Josh says:

    @AmusedSD

    I feel better to know that I am not the only “lucky” guy who’s running into such women.

  335. Josh says:

    @ONSD

    What does your version of “@Josh’s confirmation process” entail?

  336. DarkHorseSD says:

    Alice, you skunk.

  337. KennaKenna says:

    @Southern thank you.

  338. KennaKenna says:

    @Josh hahaha.

  339. Josh says:

    I have no need for honesty bullshit in my arrangements. I seek great actresses.

  340. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Alice – I’m becoming more of an equal-opportunity advocate…if you complain about bad SDs, I’m going to share a story about a bad SB…if I hear a story about a bad SB, I’ll probably share a story I’ve heard from a SB at a first meet about how bad a SD can be.

    It IS equal opportunity for bullshit on this site…it is TOUGH…I think @Sexy has it right…for a SB…you should be able to find a good, reliable SD in a couple of months at most. I think, simply because of numbers, SDs who want the “relationship” style of arrangement can expect a LOT longer search (mine took over a year)…for those SDs more interested in the casual arrangement should still be able to find something semi-regular within the first couple of months, but they are probably ALWAYS going to be searching for something better.

    Just my two cents…

  341. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Alice – I was not referencing you specifically…just MY experience with someone who was either not honest about her kids in her profile, or was trying to find ANY reason to get me to part with some cash before we even meet.

    If your profile shows kid(s) and during your conversation you’ve said you have expenses for childcare and travel or work rearranged, you’re establishing yourself in the right ways…a REAL SD will make sure you’re taken care of and in a BETTER place than you were before meeting. Unfortunately, you encountered the other end of that spectrum on this occasion.

  342. AliceS says:

    Newbie all 3 gentleman were aware of me being a mother. if that’s what you meant. I never hide that information. emails were exchaged for more then 3 weeks. finally they offered an precise date and time. though fail to show up. they fly here two or 3 days earlier expecting me to reschedule all. my work. kids etc. so I’m not expecting allowance, I don’t want to have less since I’m on SA
    the whole idea is to have additional finances. for right now I spend on dates not them lol. guess I’m sugar momma

  343. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    sharing email addresses on blog…it takes all of 30 seconds to create a new gmail account…I’ve had about 10 in my year+ on SA, because I’ve had to get rid of problem profiles at times. That’s why I created onsdthrowaway for blog posters…if that gets compromised, I’ll create another one!

    I agree there are problems for BOTH genders on this and any other site…I like @Josh’s confirmation process, it’s saved me from many delays and no-shows and time wasters…There has been two or three times I’ve had to delay on short notice for work or family issues. I know it can happen. But it takes being reasonable and respectful on both sides when something happens.

    What is worse is when I schedule with someone where the profile says “0” in the children section and immediately hear about how much it’s going to cost for childcare to meet…next…

  344. sexyrockstar says:

    @Alice
    That sucks.
    Time is valuable. It’s sad when other people don’t see that. How old are your little ones?

  345. AliceS says:

    Amused just to clarify I never ask for any. thought it’s obvious if we are here, right?

  346. AmusedSD says:

    @AliceS
    Sorry to hear that. No one has the market cornered on jerks.

  347. Eloquence says:

    @ Kenna Kenna

    Thank you for missing me! I miss chiming in at times myself. Lol

    I have ventured into the dating pool again and have the notion that I am wading in the water with swimmie band floats for children on at the moment. But the good news is im actually in the water.

    Any day now I will wander over to sexy’s blog and see what I am missing.

  348. VZP says:

    @DarkHorse
    @VZP, you are doing well on your own. Advice here is poor. You can go elsewhere for worse, or stay on your own.

    Blush.. thank you

  349. AliceS says:

    @Amused i met 3 sd. two didn’t give a shit about my expenses. third payed me half and threw the money at the public restaurant. I hoped I can dissappear or became invisible. all 3 changed time and date just hours before meeting. so I had to spend additional unexpected amounts for nanny since I have kids. guess idiots can be met on both sides

  350. UncommonSB says:

    @VZP “I am a little cautious of providing my email open on here. ”

    I don’t share mine here either, but you can always get a throwaway email from yahoo or gmail… just in case trolls or haters decide to put you on blast in the future.

  351. VZP says:

    @uncommon “Being honest may not get you a lot of friends, but it’ll always get you the right ones.”

    Love this quote. As I am honest to a fault.

  352. VZP says:

    @sexy I just downloaded both kik and Google voice per your suggestion. Last night new to it have to take the time to set it up.

    @flyR..
    maybe this is going over my head but I’m not clear on this statement —
    @vzp you can ask blogmistresses to send me your email by simply making the request here.

    I am a little cautious of providing my email open on here. So in turn I greatly appreciate those who have provided here for me. Thank you

  353. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    It works now, but as I just mentioned, I prefer using kik.

    It’s so much easier

  354. sexyrockstar says:

    @vsp
    On my blog, I made a post about how to send a message to a POT.

    I feel odd to keep referencing it, but there’s a lot of great stuff on there…. Once you get passed all the love shit I post about drummer.

    I prefer talking via Kik then email.

  355. Promise says:

    @Sexy Wasn’t yahoo messed up earlier?

  356. flyR says:

    @VZP “” I send in attempt to reach out to an SD who grabs my attention””

    Just be honest and genuine and responsive to his message. What appealed to you. Is there something in your profile that ties in well with his.

    i.e. ” I see you like to sail. I love sailing, have crewed on both cruises and races on a family friends Sugar 48 ocean racer. Unexcelled forepeak skills .

    Unless the note is from far away or really weird most SD will at least click on the profile so it needs to be good to great

  357. gentleman soul says:

    @VZP
    It’s mostly just bring their attention to my profile and then they choose from there to respond or not.

    That’s all you have to do. If you feel compelled to more personal you might say something relating to their profile showing you actually read it . I always click on someone who even opens my profile if her pics appeal to me .

    @Amused

    Flakes are a dime/dozen and it happens all the time . just because you get to hide behind the internet doesn’t mean manners shouldn’t apply .

    And ladies ,if you ask for a pic from a guy do not go silent if you don’t like it . Close it out with him and tell him something so he can move on . Be nice and say something like “Thanks,you are cute but just not my type ” If an SB writes me or favorites me I try to do that for them .

  358. flyR says:

    @vzp you can ask blogmistresses to send me your email by simply making the request here

  359. VZP says:

    @Amused I would never ask for money ahead of time. I am flexible. I’m sorry for your poor experience. Not cool at all. I definitely would not disrespect your time. I’m always punctual (gotta work on getting there early part per@sexy) And always follow through. Not a flake at all. This is why I say let’s just meet sooner than later so if there is chemistry we can get ball rolling. With the increase of new members to SA in my area I have been running into “posers” or many simply less experienced then I in my short time being here. I also have run into men who are flaky such as your #1 who don’t respect my time. In the beginning I did think that first meetings would be like the sister site WYP with an offer but learned quickly there is diverse view from those here on that. Thank you for sharing.

    I personally feel I need to work on the initial message I send in attempt to reach out to an SD who grabs my attention. I’m not sure what say or how to start. I don’t have some witty pick up line lol. It’s normal just a dull message like “hello. I’m interested in getting to know you.Would you like to get to know one another” (possible reference from profile if available) but I am not confident this the best approach. It’s mostly just bring their attention to my profile and then they choose from there to respond or not.

  360. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @All – just got an email from PA, making it “easy” to find more than one arrangement…”you may already be in an arrangement, but why stop at just one?”

    Seriously…is the number so out of whack that they need to rely on SDs supporting MULTIPLE SBs?

  361. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @vzp – onsdthrowaway at gmail if you’d like a SD perspective…

  362. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Amused – AMEN! I’ve had those interactions…your urgency does not constitute an emergency in my life…ESPECIALLY when we haven’t even put eyeballs-to-eyeballs!

  363. sexyrockstar says:

    @vzp

    Guitargoddess1989

    At

    Yahoo

  364. AmusedSD says:

    @VZP, here are my last two encounters.

    #1 – Tall statuesque blonde who was Homecoming queen. Talked to her and she seemed nice.
    After talking 2-3 days, she said she was *really* stressing over two bills she had. Both of them were about $220, so less than $500 for both of them. We set up to meet for sushi at 1:00 p.m. that weekend. I told her that the amount wasn’t that much, but I normally don’t give out money before meeting someone and knowing whether we were going to work out, but let’s meet and see what happened.

    20 minutes later, I found out a good friend was going to be headlining the comedy club and invited her to go with me that weekend. She told me she had plans that night, but could still meet for sushi at 1:00 p.m. Right then and there, I was about to call it off. She wanted help early, but her plans were more important than doing something with me.

    Saturday comes and at 12:30 or so, she tells me she won’t be down until 4:00. I tell her to just let me know when she’ll want to get together. At 4:30, I haven’t heard from her, after a text, she agrees to meet at 6:30. At 6:15, I text her that I’ll be a few minutes, but not very late. She tells me that’s fine, but she has to meet up with her friends at 7:30. I pick up the phone and say ‘Ummm…..why don’t we just meet another time?’ “Oh. I’m already here.” Needless to say, the date was a disaster.
    But wanting money, not being flexible, putting me on the clock without saying that. There was no way it was going to end up well. … Before that we chatted and the chats went real well. She got cold feet and just didn’t want to admit it. I had to ask her why she wasted my time in even bothering to meet.

    #2 – Nice girl. We had been talking for 2-3 days and she just texted me out of the blue if I would send her money. What? “I need $100 to get my car window fixed.” I told her that I didn’t send money to people that I hadn’t met, but offered to meet her for lunch as early as the next day. She needed the money that day and stopped talking to me. She was really cute and we had gotten along real well before that point, but I was okay with that.

    And seriously, $100 is no big deal. But I’m not sending money to someone I haven’t met. It’s that simple.

  365. gentleman soul says:

    @flyR
    There’s a lot of SD’s who don’t care (or even prefer) that you don’t own designer stuff. A classy, intelligent, fun, freshly scrubbed young woman who can rock a pair of jeans or a simple dress is always in demand. She probably attracts a better class of prospects, especially if FRIEND is part of your vision for the relationship.

    I am in that group ! Nothing turns me off faster than a profile pic rocking a spray of dollar bills on a chic wearing Louboutins and a Chanel purse . Give me that cute coed in a sundress with perky boobs and a Crest smile any day .

    @Southern
    Hey @Kenna-In case you didn’t get it, congratulations on your marriage and may you have a forever love affair with your new hubby.

    Amen Sister ! Enjoy the honeymoon ,for in 2 yrs you might be back with a profile.

    @Uncommon

    “Being honest may not get you a lot of friends, but it’ll always get you the right ones.”

    Don’t confuse honesty with bluntness though. Nobody wants to hear strident demands,like the profiles that Capitalize terse statements like “DONT WRITE IF YOU EXPECT SEX”

    @VZP
    “beware of advice”

    An article is one person’s approach ,here at the blog you get one person’s opinion X 20

  366. Josh says:

    The most important thing a person can get in their life is mentorship accompanied with opportunities. Sometimes such mentorship comes directly from their family sometimes who school and the other times College and colleagues.

    There are two types of advice on this blog one that feels good the other that’s equal to money in the bank. You need to know which one is which. If you can’t then good luck.

  367. DarkHorseSD says:

    “rembodler says:
    April 24, 2015 at 11:04 am
    The SB profile: mid-30s, pudgy no face photo, wants “substantial”, NO SEX.
    Do you need any further proof that The American Dream is alive and well…”

    Must type over 70 words per minute

  368. DarkHorseSD says:

    @VZP, you are doing well on your own. Advice here is poor. You can go elsewhere for worse, or stay on your own.

  369. rembodler says:

    The SB profile: mid-30s, pudgy no face photo, wants “substantial”, NO SEX.
    Do you need any further proof that The American Dream is alive and well…

  370. VZP says:

    Or anyone here that would be open to providing an email for direct contact so I don’t annoy everyonemail else here. The last thing I want to be is an annoyance. I’m just curious and attempting to apply myself best I can.

  371. VZP says:

    @flyR..
    i have so many questions. I think I’m doing fine learning the ropes on my own. As you said beware of advice. Which I am but it also gives me in site or other perspective. I can choose to follow the advice or ignore either way bad or good I find it beneficial.
    @all.. this obviously isn’t the best place to go to with questions or “advice”. Are there any recommendations as to where is a good place to go. I understand there are blogs such as @sexy has but are there any other types? Where there are multiple views as in here with a mix of SB & SD.

    Thank you all

  372. DarkHorseSD says:

    ONSD: the only question they ever ask is “what kind of arrangement are you looking for.” (With optional clause ” and how much can you offer.”)

    Which blog do they read to copy and paste that from?

  373. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @flyR – Agreed…but don’t then have stripper pole pics in your profile!

    Modesty and imagination can go a long way to close the deal with a pot SD!

  374. UncommonSB says:

    @flyr I think one of my favorite quotes sums up what you said quite nicely… “Being honest may not get you a lot of friends, but it’ll always get you the right ones.”

  375. flyR says:

    @Online –

    great to hear you are having fun

    my only friendly amendment to your note would be to put NO SEX in your profile if that’s what you’re demanding. For 95+% of the SD Arrangement = SEX in some form or another so you are left with 5% of the market . There are probably a number of SD who would consider great oral sex to be enough for a variety of reasons ( Billy Clinton), however for the majority that’s not true.

  376. SouthernSB says:

    Hey @Kenna-In case you didn’t get it, congratulations on your marriage and may you have a forever love affair with your new hubby.

  377. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @flyR – you warn against people giving advice…as the last sentence of advice?

    I think a lot of what you said is spot-on…
    don’t be revealing with pics and say “no sex”…don’t be revealing with pics and expect much more than p2p is where I would expand!
    put SOMETHING in your profile that will speak to your audience, without revealing personal details…when you send a message, COMMENT and maybe even QUESTION the SD about something in HIS profile – THAT will put you 100yards ahead of your competition!
    make sure you avoid the “entitled” language, “bitter” language, etc. It will turn off most SDs!

  378. KennaKenna says:

    @ONSD and @Elaine thank youuu!

  379. flyR says:

    @secret “@gentleman I will not dress in Gucci or prada, as I cant even afford those items. I will show up in a nice dress or outfit from Express. I portray myself as confident, my age, and tell exactly what I a wanting (at least men say they like when a woman tells them what they want). I’m just confused, I’m no Barbie, fake, plastic, or splenda. I am me and will not change for anyone. Maybe I need to be half naked in my pictures and slap on a crapton of makeup so I look more appealing :/ Ugh so frustrating… I am really in a bind an just want a helping hand along with a great friendship!!”

    Gentleman offered some great advice. A few modifications “”will not change for anyone.”” is a bit strident, sounds like IBM before they became irrelevant. Better to think and act ” I will not compromise my core beliefs nor not be the genuine me.” Being “in a bind” is quite frankly your problem and a point of weakness. The way forward , as Gentleman noted is to focus your marketing on the specific segment of SD’s that fit with the genuine you.

    You used a keyword in your description friend . As you might have gathered here there are SD’s who look at the ideal relationship as having a significant “friend” component while other, more prolific posters, appear to be simply looking for a low cost, submissive sperm dumpster.

    There’s a lot of SD’s who don’t care (or even prefer) that you don’t own designer stuff. A classy, intelligent, fun, freshly scrubbed young woman who can rock a pair of jeans or a simple dress is always in demand. She probably attracts a better class of prospects, especially if FRIEND is part of your vision for the relationship.

    As others noted pictures are important. Most men are looking at a) the face is she pretty, smiling etc b) the body – we are visualizing what you will look like NAKED but that does not mean that showing more skin is better. A little mystery is good but you want to make it clear that you are not hiding any major “defects”. Can not overemphasize the need display a look (and background) that resonates with your target market. Obviously the photos should compliment your best features. If you are looking for an SD who needs discipline then a sterner look might be appropriate – but as a friend noted ” if I wanted angry and mean I would have stayed home”.. Braless under a nice silk blouse can convey a great message.

    Yes it’s important that you be able to explain what you want but more important that you explain in a way that reflects your sensitivity to what the SD is seeking ( or will realize when you bring it up).

    Final bit of advice – beware of those giving advice

  380. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle & @Sexy – spent most of yesterday with student…now I’ll only get to see her once or twice over the next three weeks…I’m already missing her :( she’s a cuddler and it was wonderful to spend the day with her!

  381. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – congrats girl…you and your man are now OFFICIALLY in a honeymoon period 😉

    I guess having the big ceremony gives you a reboot on the honeymoon period too…just like your relationship…it comes full circle 😉

  382. VZP says:

    Well that went over my head but I like spankings

  383. DarkHorseSD says:

    TGIF…Totally Gonna Ignore Females

  384. UncommonSB says:

    @Elaine Looks like I’ll never be one of the cool kids around here. I’m crushed, really :)

  385. Josh says:

    You go to work in a short skirt and HR tells you that you need to go home and change into something below the knees.

    Do you come back to work or quit because “I am me and will not change for anyone”?

  386. Josh says:

    @Secret

    “I am me and will not change for anyone.”

    Does that mean that you are a strong, independent woman?

  387. AliceS says:

    Dark Horse once I get till the 3rd one. I wouldn’t waste my time for the 4th with him. and I still have nyc sd in contact for over a year. guess I’m doing not that bad. 😉

  388. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    How is KA going by the way?

    Do you think that you would be able to save on tuition in near or distant future?

  389. gentleman soul says:

    Secret says:
    April 23, 2015 at 4:45 pm
    @gentleman I will not dress in Gucci or prada, as I cant even afford those items. I will show up in a nice dress or outfit from Express. I portray myself as confident, my age, and tell exactly what I a wanting (at least men say they like when a woman tells them what they want). I’m just confused, I’m no Barbie, fake, plastic, or splenda. I am me and will not change for anyone. Maybe I need to be half naked in my pictures and slap on a crapton of makeup so I look more appealing :/ Ugh so frustrating… I am really in a bind an just want a helping hand along with a great friendship!!

    Well Secret, you want what you want. a lot depends on your target market of younger guys . They can attract the 9-10’s (as in Fun Daddy perhaps) and maybe you are an 8. IDK -maybe you are a 10 . But guys pick up on attitude .If an SB Pot hits me with all these demands and limitations I am turned off . Scantily clad pics are not going to seal the deal for me . Most girls who don’t do physical have the hottest pics on their profile. All I want to see in a pic is that the SB is nicely shaped and not obese. A little decolletage is nice but nipples don’t need to be standing at attention . Be yourself but perhaps expand your age group. Most Daddies are probably 20+ yrs older than you so your are screening out that large group. After all ,are you looking for a BF or just a nice arrangement where you get some $ and “mentoring “?

  390. KeKe says:

    @Uncommon…Josh doesn’t speak for me. Please feel free to share. Lol. Me and Lainey talk about our crazy diva little girls. Talking about my son lead to a very informative discussion with Vitesse and Muah and early education that really eased my mind. AND @Guru hooked me up with Khan Academy (BJ owed) when we talked my son’s issues one night.

  391. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Dark
    “Sweetie, the articles are just there to keep the posts per page under 2,500.”

    Truth!

    @Elaine
    Hey there!!!

  392. NubianSB says:

    @Kenna
    Haha…I have no clue what the going rate is. I’m in the same boat as you…didn’t know there was a going rate. If you find out please let me know haha

  393. Elaine says:

    @Common

    Hush girl!
    Don’t you know it is the Guru who decides who is credible and can talk freely without comment about coming from a famous, very affluent family, huge allowances, top salaries, insane shopping spree’s and getting a new car twice a month?

    Don’t you dare showing to be independent, succesful AND in sugar at the same time, that is only allowed to a chosen few! 😉

    @Kenna, congratulations, I wish you both a great future! (and I was not referring to you dear!)

  394. Josh says:

    And don’t you be pretending to be making huge financial deals at work and then come here for sugar. Does not compute.

    You can come here as Sugar Mommy and discuss such stuff. That would make sense.

  395. Josh says:

    Wrong site. That shit goes on your Facebook page to collect 3,456,704 Likes when you wake up in the morning.

  396. UncommonSB says:

    Holy cow! One of the most heated, stressful work days in years just wrapped up tonight. 15 hour day. Major battles among partners in a deal, my side had a to force a total renegotiation of all contracts, or we were fully prepared to go to war. We were in the right, no question. Helps that one of the principals on our side is a brutal litigator. We won, but I’m beat up!

  397. Josh says:

    Hahahaha

  398. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Gudinne says:
    April 22, 2015 at 11:56 am
    There are significantly more than three types on this site that I can see in the limited amount of time I’ve been on the site.”

    Sweetie, the articles are just there to keep the posts per page under 2,500.

  399. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Josh says:
    April 23, 2015 at 6:53 pm
    @VZP

    Are you here to argue or learn?”

    Couldn’t she be here to be spanked?

  400. KennaKenna says:

    @Dark

    Haha… You are too much lol

  401. DarkHorseSD says:

    @Kenna, what is the going rate for an SD in NYC to do an Appraisal of the going rate for an SB in NYC?

    Credentials upon request.

  402. KennaKenna says:

    @Dark maybe.

  403. DarkHorseSD says:

    @Kenna, disguised as a hooker?

  404. VZP says:

    Random.. i just discovered SA comes in an app n just downloaded see how that goes. … but…If my app is on n open to much I might look to desperate might have to rethink this.. since now I feel I might have to stay off for a little while

  405. VZP says:

    @Josh
    never argue I’m huge on learning as much as I can. I do like to give perspective aswell as gain it.

    My apologies if I come off as argumentative. My experience in messaging tells me sometimes I come off that way but I am not at all. I am humble and open.

  406. sexyrockstar says:

    MY LAST FEW POSTS WERE FOR
    @SECRET
    NOT
    @PROMISE

    sorry love

  407. Josh says:

    @Promise had no business being in the sugar bowl at this time. If she insisted with the kind of photos and profile she has she’s going to hook up with a guy who is going to treat her like a cheap w**** and that’s not going to do end up nicely for her.

    So either she does what it takes to be a classy SB or back out for right now.

  408. Josh says:

    @VZP

    Are you here to argue or learn?

  409. KennaKenna says:

    @Dark

    A lurker on the blog emailed me for advice, she literally asked me what was the going rate for per meet in NY as her pot is uncomfortable giving out a monthly allowance up front.

    I was clueless lol… I said I will ask a NY SD on the blog… Maybe Nubian knows? I didn’t even know a “going rate” existed for SBs unless she is an escort in disguise…

  410. Promise says:

    @Sexy I’m confused. Which one of my comments are you responding to?

  411. VZP says:

    Such a fine line perusing sex verses allowance. Against prostitution … getting paid to have sex… where is the line really. For me it’s all on how you handle the situation.Theoretically you actually have such chemistry with the POT that you have sex because it comes about naturally because you want to please him. Not hey I like you I think I can sleep with you but hown much will you pay me then I’ll be more then willing cause money talks to females who just sell the puss… of course he isn’t gonna stick around he wants you to want to be there for him not just then money show him that n then the money will and should come. Giving it up easy n quick I feel puts u in that danger zone of being used yourself so where is the line … i think everyone has different takes on this as everyone has their own criteria that they are looking for in each one.

  412. DarkHorseSD says:

    What makes Alice think she’s going to get a second date?

  413. flyR says:

    “”What if he asks for sex on the second date. and later run away leaving without giving the allowance. is it rape?”” fraud perhaps

  414. rembodler says:

    While an intelligent man can theoretically hook up with AliceS when he is drunk and/or horny, monthly allowances are normally given in a sober state.

  415. sexyrockstar says:

    I’m waiting for @Josh to bring back:
    Are you here to complain

  416. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    I didn’t have sexy pictures, flirted pictures or anything. I have tattoos and I’m not thin either.

    I had two SDs and two POTs that never made it to me calling them my sugar daddy within a month.

    So yeah. Idk. I don’t take shit from anyone (as you can tell by my posts) maybe if you ask @josh real nice he could help you out until I’m free

  417. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    A POT may find you annoying.
    I own a shit ton of designer stuff but that’s because men gave them to me as gifts.

    I’m a tomboy yet super beautiful. so, no you don’t have to change for anyone but you must be willing to compromise. I am willing to help you tho. After the weekend.

    @Alice
    You made me laugh. Love you.

  418. AliceS says:

    if sd have a verbal agreement with sb that she supposed to meet him 4 times per month for any reason and she fails, but keep the money he can sue her and he will win. that what happened couple if years ago. i doubt any court will listen sb complaining about lack of allowance after sex. unless she call it a rape :)

    time for bed for me. ttyt

  419. UncommonSB says:

    oops ‘your’

  420. UncommonSB says:

    @AliceS If you’re verbal contract has a money for sex provision, it’s considered prostitution. That’s like a drug dealer turning someone in for stealing his heroine.

  421. AliceS says:

    You can get back up to 5000 in small claims court. it’s enought that you had verbal agreement.

  422. AliceS says:

    UncommonSB according to law she can. it’s breaching the verbal contract

  423. AliceS says:

    Oh :) 5 years? women in ny must be challenged in some way, needing that much time. not trying to offend real victims if we have here any. but think after five years she can’t even remember his name, nor his penis size. what she wants testify after 5 years in court

  424. UncommonSB says:

    @AliceS Getting scammed does not = rape. If an SB asks for a monthly allowance, and then falls of the map… should she be sued for theft?

  425. Josh says:

    In the Fucked Up States of America, say in NY, a woman has around 5 years to decide if any given sexual interaction with a man was rape or not.

  426. AliceS says:

    @UncommonSB assume like it already happened. Only one part fulfilled their promises other not. then what? how you react.

  427. UncommonSB says:

    @AliceS Debating at what point an SB should secure whatever funds, gifts, etc that you are comfortable with before having sex vs what an SD should expect to give you before expecting sex… is like the ‘chicken or the egg’ argument. Highly contested opinions on both sides.

  428. AliceS says:

    Hi Josh 😉 I just wonder in which category such scamming is. if it’s not rape or stealing. what is it then. 😉

  429. Josh says:

    @AliceS

    Hahahaha

  430. AliceS says:

    Promise how you call it then? if she takes allowance but runs away without sleeping with him.And backwards.

  431. Promise says:

    @AliceS if you willingly have sex with someone it’s not rape. It’s rape if someone forces you to have sex with them against your will.

  432. AliceS says:

    What if he asks for sex on the second date. and later run away leaving without giving the allowance. is it rape?

  433. KeKe says:

    Thanks! @Nubian

  434. Promise says:

    Do independent people even really exist? I mean we all depend on someone for something.

  435. Secret says:

    @gentleman I will not dress in Gucci or prada, as I cant even afford those items. I will show up in a nice dress or outfit from Express. I portray myself as confident, my age, and tell exactly what I a wanting (at least men say they like when a woman tells them what they want). I’m just confused, I’m no Barbie, fake, plastic, or splenda. I am me and will not change for anyone. Maybe I need to be half naked in my pictures and slap on a crapton of makeup so I look more appealing :/ Ugh so frustrating… I am really in a bind an just want a helping hand along with a great friendship!!

  436. NubianSB says:

    Hi Keke…ooohhh i love those lips :-)

  437. KeKe says:

    @Nubian… Hi!!

  438. NubianSB says:

    Josh says:
    April 22, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    Don’t we love strong, independent women on welfare?
    ————————————————————————
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    I haven’t read anything here yet but scrolling and this caught my attention. @Josh, you crack me up!

  439. Josh says:

    @Secret

    “I do not take sh*t from anyone though.”

    Does that mean that you are a strong, independent woman?

  440. Secret says:

    @sexyrockstar I am fun and flirty. I do not take sh*t from anyone though. I let guys know what I want upfront rather than sounds like I’m stupid. I don’t want the arrangement where you would look at us and say “how the hell did that old guy get that young attractive girl, oh I know..pay to play” I don’t want that. I want someone near my age around 15 years older.
    I always meet in public. I’ve only gone on three dates off here as guys are shady after I share my picture. Which I wait until they do first and many don’t like that, so I never hear back. We’ve gone to 2 lunches and 1 dinner, to nice places. I never talk about money during messages, I wait until he brings up the matter, then we discuss what’s appropriate. Perhaps I don’t have half naked pictures which is why guys are like next. I have real unedited pictures. I do take the lead and message men. I am mature and respectful when I do, with a hint of a playful side.

  441. VZP says:

    @FlyRThey are a team I’m not sure how sticky but I agree only because the one I went to meet advised to keep how we met and this site under wraps.

    @struggles
    I have been asking myself the allowance question. I’m really not sure. I think he would be generous, it’s possible I could be accept that. I would need to speak with him more I suppose to see what potential he sees here. I just haven’t made any moves at this point. Kicking back. A few messages here n there. But in honestly I am not very materialistic and would prefer an allowance. At the same time I try to keep perspective.

  442. flyR says:

    VZfP It could get sticky if they are all in the same office

  443. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Sexy
    Have a fun time love! And I am not at all surprised that he isn’t tired of you. Doubt he ever will be. Oh and will text you in a bit. In a rush right now to meet GB’s gramps! eek

  444. StruggleIsReal says:

    @VZ
    Good! I’m glad you let him know that the way he did things was inappropriate. Hopefully he will move forward with a better approach. Sounds like you have handled things. Good on’ya.

    Would you see the “good guy”/friend regardless of whether he offered an allowance or not? Or only with allowance ?

  445. KeKe says:

    @Sexy..Have fun girl!

  446. sexyrockstar says:

    @vzp
    I use a Google voice number. I also have kik. I don’t do “endless” emails or “hours” of phone conversations.

    I have a pretty good screening process.

    @all
    Date with drummer tonight. You’d think he’d be annoyed with me after being with me for 8 days. Not spending two days with him. Just a simple date, comedy thing . Sleep over.

    I’m so busy this weekend.

  447. gentleman soul says:

    @secret
    I have met up with a few men and on their profile says one thing or they appear as one thing…when we have met in person (at a public place) they look different (in a bad way) or they change what they are exactly wanting or their budget goes down significantly I don’t take bullcrap very well

    One possibility is that you do not appeal to them on the “higher end” of allowance ,and are offering you what they think you are “worth ” to them. And I agree with you that many do not represent themselves well -on both sides of the genitalia

    @Struggle
    The CREEP was trying to look cool is all. Please do explain how it is otherwise.
    Yep ,he was trying to be Mr Big anow his homies what a “fixer” he is .

    @Sexy
    And I hope to fucking God you’re not discussing allowance before you meet. That sounds so gross. “Hey, I have no idea if I find you attractive or if I like you, but I can do 300 pay to play”

    OTOH ,it isn’t a bad idea to know that either one of you aren’t wasting their time. i.e., a guy might have a $1800 budget but has to put Practical ($3000) since there isn’t a place for it . If SB Pot is fixed at $2500 and 1800 won’t work then why waste time on an expensive M&G ?

    @Maddie

    @gentleman soul I was already chatting with other men on the site, but I wasn’t expecting to have so much chemistry with him. I don’t want to be rude to the others, but I can’t think of something they can offer that he cannot. On the other hand, nothing about this situation is predictable.

    Tell these “men of interest” that you have agreed to an arrangement at the moment but that you will keep their info. I’ve frequently heard back from a flake when her arrangement fell through . It keeps the door open .He will keep looking and may still be available later . You don’t shut any doors .

  448. VZP says:

    I prefer to just meet ASAP to determine chemistry. I’ve exchanged endless messages spoken on the phone for hours to meet and have no real chemistry. Also as safety precaution providing a number can lead to being tracked or your phone hacked it isn’t that difficult to do even with protection on your phone. I can see the perspective of the “desperate” view on it. I just don’t see it that way or feel that way. I understand it was directed to Maddie and her particular situation. I’m not upset and am calm I just caught that in there and desired more on that point from an open perspective. I agree though that if in an arrangement activity on the site sends the wrong message and should honestly be for the most part non existent. I would take offense if my SD continued to be active and I openly advised I would not for him Or due to him rather. Out of respect. If I find on that sticks I would be done taking chances in the field.

  449. sexyrockstar says:

    @vzp
    Typos happened. Lol. See?
    God damn cell phones.

    I think you also Need to remember is her SD wants to be exclusive.

  450. sexyrockstar says:

    @vzp

    That post wasn’t for you. Calm down.
    If you’re constantly online, it does make you look a bit. Hmmm. Desperate.

    Most SDs here will agree.

    For someone like Maddie, WHO IS IN A CURRENT ARRANGEMENT, staying and remaining online could hurt the new arrangement.

    And why would you wait that long to exchange phone numbers? I won’t even go on a date with a guy if I can’t speak to him over the phone. Google voice is a lovely thing.

  451. KeKe says:

    “You ddon’t even look like the type that gives BJs”

    @Kenna…Really? Because men having been telling me for years these lips look made for sucking d*ck. Guess that’s part of wanting to corrupt me. Lol

  452. VZP says:

    Auto text and typing from my phone makes me look stupid with all those Grammer errors … smh….

  453. MaddieBlue says:

    @sexyrockstar I have now, but I may not in the future (if need be). It seems a bit easier to cut ties when there aren’t random or awkward texts still being exchanged.

  454. VZP says:

    @Sexy
    Constantly logging into the site will make you look desperate and cheap.

    Seriously?

    I am constantly active. I keep on my inbox. I personally do not give put my phone number until after first meeting. I am not desperate or cheap. I enjoy my time on here. I update my profile n photos regularly as well to keep fresh. Of course when I has someone steady I spent less time on here. But I don’t see any issue being active on the page and keep my option open. Also I constantly review SD profiles to learn from them. Research….. now it’s like oh ok since people think like that I have to not be active as a front? … idk seems a bit judgemental considering what the site is for.

  455. sexyrockstar says:

    @Maddie
    Constantly logging into the site will make you look desperate and cheap. Why not just exchange phone numbers with the others?

    Keep in Touch. no need to sabotage your new arrangement. You’re right, any new arrangement is uncertain, but doubting and Second guessing will annoy him.

    Breathe. Calm down. Feel free to let ‘ all these other guys’ know that you met someone.

  456. MaddieBlue says:

    @gentleman soul I was already chatting with other men on the site, but I wasn’t expecting to have so much chemistry with him. I don’t want to be rude to the others, but I can’t think of something they can offer that he cannot. On the other hand, nothing about this situation is predictable.

  457. sexyrockstar says:

    @Josh
    You have mail btw
    And did I miss somEthing? Who is Riley?

  458. Josh says:

    By the way, SA does not give a shit what I write, so you are alright. :)

  459. Josh says:

    @Riley

    “@Josh
    Please don’t encourage the site to recruit fewer women interested in attractive men. The lack of super attractive men here makes my life easier here and creates a fair market. Yes, I pay allowances but not what I will have to 20 years from now.”

    Hmmm, that’s interesting. My apologies for being totally blinded of the presence of younger, not-too-attractive SDs.

  460. sexyrockstar says:

    @secret
    If nothing but fake men are contracting you, then you may be the problem.

    Re-vamp your profile and pictures.
    Make sure you’re fun and flirty ; not sexual and whatnot in messages.
    Message men that attract you, don’t wait for them.
    Make sure you’re not wasting time, learn how to screen these men.
    Be willing to share one more picture of yOurself. but, ask them for pictures of them first.

    Where are you having dates? Coffee is fine, but really try to get a dinner/lunch date.

    The way SA markets these men is annoying. There are sexy older men on here, but many are. um. Heh. Not attractive.

    And I hope to fucking God you’re not discussing allowance before you meet. That sounds so gross. “Hey, I have no idea if I find you attractive or if I like you, but I can do 300 pay to play”

    My first few dates naturally set the tone on what I want and expect. I go to nice places, I dress like a super model, I arrive early. The website already sorta does the allowance talk for you. Under expectation.

  461. FlyBoy says:

    A tweet by WallStreetPlayboys:

    Gold Diggers:

    Broke guys “worry about them”
    Rich guys *love* them

    Now you know who you’re talking to on the “internet”

    Couldn’t have said it any better.

    Cheers :)

  462. VZP says:

    The “creep” has been educated on the matter. I discussed it with him. He new at it and obviously not on the level we all who intend on being successful in the Sugar world. He was wrong now he knows. Hopefully others won’t be placed in the situation I was. I really did just get lucky this wasn’t a dangerous situation and always try to use my better judgment.

  463. VZP says:

    @gentleman
    The “creep” was setting up his pal,since he knew about SA

    His friends had/have no idea about SA. They were pretty sweet and honestly seemed to “need” the distraction and we’re obviously pleased to have it. These guys spend most of their evenings together after work. The routine I suppose has become boring. I was a nice change for them. They were definitely curious as to how or were us females came about. I avoided it with vague answers. It’s obvious he was trying to set his friends up but his friends didn’t behave in that manner. I just really cliqued with the one. Now I wish he did know ahead of time it would make moving forward easier for me. Now if I chose to see him again”the good one” I suppose I’ll just have to keep on gaurd and see how it goes. After all it should ideally come about naturally, an arrangement per say. After spending the time I did with him it seems, naturally, won’t be an issue. Our chemistry and ideals were exceptionally on point. So ya the creep was trying to set his friend up. Well it worked for the most part and also shows that something great may come of this situation after all… I’m honestly still on the fence considering I have other pots on the stove lol 😉

  464. StruggleIsReal says:

    @gentleman
    I’ve no problem with people setting up others, but should NEVER happen on first meet, especially from an online connection, ESPECIALLY from this site! The CREEP was trying to look cool is all. Please do explain how it is otherwise.

  465. UncommonSB says:

    @gentle “If they do these things they are keepers and will not be cast aside”

    If a woman is willing to sacrifice, go far above and beyond the call, giving 100% to spend time with a man who cannot (or will not) offer the same in return… you’re darn right she’s a keeper! No argument there.

  466. Secret says:

    Who doesn’t look like the type that would give BJ’s?

  467. Secret says:

    @Josh Hindsight, it’s funny! When you’re in an arrangement, at least give the decency to say “hey, next week is going to be the last week”. No?

  468. gentleman soul says:

    @VZP
    @struggle
    I’ll follow that advice. But the pot creep was actually very supportive of his friend n I. He pulled me aside n said hey my friend really likes you so don’t tell him how we met….???…

    The “creep” was setting up his pal,since he knew about SA

    @MaddieBlue
    I met a SD and we hit it off really well. I was so nervous, but he made me feel very comfortable the first few dates. Oh, and the sex was amazing. Do any of you SB ever keep looking/dating if you find a SD that fits what you’re looking for?

    Maddie ,why in the world would you do that ? All that will happen is you will find another SD or two who “might” be better(richer,more generous ,etc) which will screw up your Arrangement in progress . The exception to that is the hooker technique of working multiple Daddies (Johns) at one time .

    @UncommonSB
    @Josh “She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work”
    Wow, who are these women? Maybe ones who don’t have any other options, if they’re willing to go through some insane cross country obstacle course, only to be cast aside immediately following the act.

    If they do these things they are keepers and will not be cast aside

  469. UncommonSB says:

    @Elaine Email sent.

  470. Promise says:

    @Josh That’s what I wanted to say, but I didn’t want to be mean. XD

  471. Josh says:

    “You ddon’t even look like the type that gives BJs”

    😉

  472. Josh says:

    “it worked out great until his wife had yet another baby and he disappeared.”

    ROTFLMAO!

  473. Secret says:

    @Sexyrockstar I’m not sure why honestly. Perhaps I am being too picky and don’t want a prude? I have met up with a few men and on their profile says one thing or they appear as one thing…when we have met in person (at a public place) they look different (in a bad way) or they change what they are exactly wanting or their budget goes down significantly. I cannot deal with people who lie about things. I’ve been in one arrangement before and it worked out great until his wife had yet another baby and he disappeared. Then you have those that just want a travel partner to travel once a month..I cant go away that often for that long. Then you have those that are old and prudes. Enough of my rant….
    I’m genuine, honest, confident, fit, playful, caring, appreciative, and most importantly beautiful inside and out. I don’t take bullcrap very well nor do I take a guy being rude or wanting all the control in the relationship. Equality is important. Am I wrong for thinking this? You can go to my profile and more of what I am about and let me know what to enhance?

  474. Promise says:

    @FunDude Has your 23yo 36yo friend said anything to either one of you about your relationship so far?

  475. KennaKenna says:

    @KeKe

    Work that “innocence” girl. You don’t even look like the type that gives BJs, it must have been a shocker to your SD when you started talking.

  476. Promise says:

    @Josh IDK Someone decent looking with a good sense of humor, and good hygiene. Kenna’s man has a charm about him though.

  477. KennaKenna says:

    Thanks guys! He doesn’t have any chiseled abs or insane muscle definition but he is hot. I still can’t believe I’m married- ahhhhh!

  478. Josh says:

    @Promise

    What’s 10 in your opinion?

  479. Promise says:

    Kenna’s man is definitely an 12/10.

  480. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    “@Kenna… I have the innocent look down to a science.”

    There you go.

  481. StruggleIsReal says:

    Kenna is gorgeous and her man is totally hot.
    I have dated a man IRL (non-Sugar) right around his age previously as well, and other than my current man, he was THE HOTTEST THING EVER.
    A man who takes care of himself, stays decently in shape, is successful (doesn’t mean he has to be a billionaire) and presents himself well at 50 is prime specimen.

  482. KeKe says:

    @Kenna… I have the innocent look down to a science. It makes the men want to corrupt me and they always underestimate me. By the time they figure it out, they are too in love to care. Lol

  483. Elaine says:

    Hi @ all Sugars,

    Everybody ok?

    @ Uncommon, I would like to talk to you off-line, would you mind? My mail is elainesablog at google mail.

    @Promise, you better get out of the sugarbowl dear, you will either get hurt or jaded, and end up with a twisted look on relationships. You seem too sweet for that!

    @ Josh says:
    April 22, 2015 at 6:28 pm
    Iron Rule of Tomassi #3 [Author of The Rational Man]

    “When a woman makes you wait for sex you are not her highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It’s sex first, then relationship, not the other way around.

    A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you. She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work – women who want to fuck will find a way to fuck.

    The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable and wants a relationship first is the same girl who fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break just half an hour after meeting him.”

    ——————————————————————————–

    “A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you”
    This is spot on.
    Amen!

    And c’mon ladies, we all know it is…
    Nothing is gonna stop us if we are REALLY into him!

    And IMO, a clever SB who wants to be -and remain- successful, will do the same for her SD. (Or at least give him the impression she would….;-) )

  484. flyR says:

    Beyond funny that they have Anthony Weiner as their CEO/politician SD.

    Without his indiscretion and stupidity he would probably be the NY mayor today with Huma as the city’s first lady . Stupid is such an understatement in both referring to him and to SA’s inclusion of him

  485. UncommonSB says:

    @Kenna Oh, and your man is handsome indeed. You make a beautiful couple!

  486. UncommonSB says:

    @Kenna Thank you so much! Not sure what a ‘dominant looking’ woman typically looks like though :)

  487. KennaKenna says:

    I just want to say @Uncommon is gorgeous, not all all what I imagined. I don’t know for some reason I was thinking very dominant looking lol.

  488. rembodler says:

    SA blocking:

    Rem never ever blocked anyone on SA. But was blocked multiple times. Rem is a polite civil person. He never says anything rude. Even when a 50yo woman emailed him (his profile explicitly says his age range that is…nowhere near), he patiently replied “Thank you for your interest, but… blah blah blah. Hope things will work out for you here”.
    Whenever a woman blocks Rem for writing “Hi, How are you”… he can almost palpate, how enjoyable is must be – to do that, just block the hell out of a sucker. Fortunately, he never lowered himself to that.
    It is pretty tempting though – just to be rude. Set up a date with her – and cancel the very last minute, when she is on her way. Not even say “sorry” – it is admitting your guilt, never do that. Just tell her – “something came up”.
    I know you guys know what I am talking about…Again, never done this myself – had it done to me more times I care to remember…And still – Rem loves women. And when they are honest, caring, sensitive, vulnerable – God bless them. Rem will do anything for them, they can eat him for breakfast and some.

  489. KennaKenna says:

    @PI thank youuu for your kind words.

  490. PI Wolf says:

    @Kenna,

    Congratulations – to both you and The Guy !!! May you both be happy, through thick and thin. And may you have a long journey together!

  491. KennaKenna says:

    @Promise sure, email me!

  492. KennaKenna says:

    @Uncommon yes but my man is almost 50, that’s too old for some of the SBs. He doesn’t look it though and pics don’t do him justice. I was very very pleasantly surprised when I first met him.

  493. UncommonSB says:

    @Kenna Good for you! Your story is a testament to the existence of attractive, single, older men on this site.

  494. Riley says:

    @Josh
    Please don’t encourage the site to recruit fewer women interested in attractive men. The lack of super attractive men here makes my life easier here and creates a fair market. Yes, I pay allowances but not what I will have to 20 years from now.

  495. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Kenna
    OMG. WOW.
    Thank you for sharing.

    Come on ladies… you have two choices; if the baby isn’t a boy, duh, it’s a girl. LOL Josh was just trying to make a “funny.” Well, I laughed Josh.

  496. KennaKenna says:

    @Keke is a cutie, she looks very innocent…

  497. KennaKenna says:

    @Keke

    Lol good point. Btw, I emailed you back.

  498. KeKe says:

    @Josh. What does that mean?

  499. Josh says:

    @Kenna

    Always remember: It’s a boy unless it is a girl.

  500. KeKe says:

    @Kenna be surprised. It will help you push better. Lol

  501. VZP says:

    @Kenna What an amazing story. You are truly blessed. Congratulations. Best wishes to you on this new journey in your life.

  502. Promise says:

    @Kenna Is it ok if I email you too? I’ve been so curious about him since I started reading on here.

  503. KennaKenna says:

    @Josh

    He wants a boy, I want a girl but we really don’t know what gender the baby is as yet. He said if we don’t get a boy, we will go again lolol- I don’t know if he is joking about that though.

  504. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    You are so welcome.
    I am so happy to ask you because I KNOW you have all the answers, Oh Mighty Guru. LOL

  505. Josh says:

    @KennaKenna

    “@GPeach we are still deciding.”

    Stop lying. Just say it. It’s a boy.

  506. KennaKenna says:

    @GPeach we are still deciding.

  507. VZP says:

    @sexy
    just curious because you’re knowledgeable, have great tips and support. How long have you been doing this?

  508. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh LOL

  509. Josh says:

    @GeorgiaPeach

    Thanks for asking me another question. It’s a boy.

  510. KennaKenna says:

    @Keke lol no BJ… I did grab his hard cock that was bursting through his pants though. I honestly wanted him from the time he kissed me on th cheek.

    He is hot, and dresses immaculate at all times. He looked like he walked right out of a GQ magazine.

    Email me kennakenna267 at gmail and I’ll see if you agree with me.

  511. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Kenna
    Thank you for sharing. That is just the sweetest thing ever. Obviously he just didn’t realize until later how much he really did want and need you. He sounds like a really good guy and I suspect he’ll make a great “father” too. When will you know the baby’s sex or do you want to know?

  512. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    “And I had thought that you would never ask ME to comment on @Kenna’s sugar life…as they say…better late than never!”

    LOL. Actually, I don’t think I did ask you, but was merely implying that you might respond due to my curiosity of how they met. But, thank you. I do appreciate it and I don’t think I have ever been bashful… well, maybe once. LOL

  513. KennaKenna says:

    @GPeach

    Yes, we met on SA and I sent the first message, he took a while before he saw it but I referenced something in his profile and asked a question about it. He said he responded because he had never seen a profile like mine and I asked a question he wanted to answer.

    We ended up talking for hours. Our first date was at a seafood restaurant in the city and he gave me his business card and told me to google him to make sure he is real. We then had an oyster eating contest and I won of course… I made the first mover, or at least hinted that I wanted him to kiss me… We ended up driving around in the back of a cab making out for about 20-30 mins.

    We never once discussed allowance, he just took care of things. I ended things with him a few months in after I found out something about him and his ex; he fixed the problem and asked for a “do over” and we redid the whole first meet thing and have been together ever since.

  514. KeKe says:

    @Kenna…BJ first date. I don’t know why I thought you were too prim and proper for that. Lol. I think it’s all the princesses that Josh throws around. Lol

  515. Josh says:

    @GeorgiaPeach

    “You don’t have to answer, I’m just a bit curious as I wait for Josh to comment on my question to you. LOL”

    And I had thought that you would never ask ME to comment on @Kenna’s sugar life…as they say…better late than never!

    @Kenna met her SD through SA. He pursued her like a gentleman would. They had a magical first date…surf and turf dinner, gay waiter, live music…all capped off with a blowjob. @Kenna can fill in any gaps in the details.

    Never be bashful about asking for my comments on @Kenna life. I am only eager to obliged in a most timely fashion.

  516. MaddieBlue says:

    @StruggleIsReal Thank you for that. Maybe I should of started dating again IRL to get my feet wet again.

  517. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Kenna
    Curious. Did you meet your husband SD here on SA or another arrangement site? Did he pursue you or ? How was your first date? You don’t have to answer, I’m just a bit curious as I wait for Josh to comment on my question to you. LOL

  518. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    Haha “Awww hunny, would a BJ make you feel better??”
    I have and will totally use this, again and again. Jesus, guys are honestly so easy.

    @Maddie
    If you are happy and allowance is flowing and sex is enjoyable, yeah, stop the search. If you are still communicating with others and are just not sure you want to cut it off just yet, to give this more time to make sure it sticks, then just lessen the frequency of contact… tell them you have exams or whatever. Just pull bad a bit and see how this arrangement goes. Then in a week or two make a more concrete decision.

  519. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    “@Josh I’d lay money on it…”

    You are talking to the wrong person about laying maoney. Talk to @flyR. She is into such shit.

  520. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh I’d lay money on it that most woman would not go through all of that just to be shoved into a closet afterwards. Take a poll. And no men are not a utility, they complement my life as I complement theirs.

  521. sexyrockstar says:

    @maddie
    Then deactivate the profile.

    @Alice
    I hope that helps

  522. KennaKenna says:

    @Dark

    I was curious about it lol, haha.

    On a whole different note, I’m here dealing with a husband who is pissed and yelling that he can’t get the hockey game he wants because we’re in NY and have to wait until Rangers game is over. I asked him if he wanted a BJ until Rangers game is over, he said no he just wants the game lol.

    And the Rangers are in OT now so he’s yelling even more, not at me but just pissed.

  523. MaddieBlue says:

    @sexyrockstar Yes, and I am happier than I expected. – This is where that “waiting for the other shoe to drop” moment is coming from.

  524. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    Sweetheart, obviously man is just a utility in your life. Don’t feel defensive just yet. Men are basically utility in most women’s lives. Women consider a man as a toy (his dick, fingers, tongue), clown, gofer, sperm donor, emotional puke bag, ATM, retirement plan or a combination thereof. 😉

    The paragraphs above are emphasizing what a woman would do if she wanted to fuck a specific man and NOT what she would do if she wanted to get laid by a utility man.

  525. sexyrockstar says:

    @maddie

    Are you two in an arrangement? If yes, are you happy with the terms?

  526. MaddieBlue says:

    @KeKe I just don’t know if it’s a “waiting for the other shoe to drop” moment.

    @sexyrockstar Thanks. He wants to be exclusive. I don’t want to be rude to the other guy that contacted me last week about meeting on Friday though.

    @Josh Not exactly sure if that was directed at me. If so, I wasn’t looking for him to make me feel comfortable, he just did. Am I wrong for being a bit apprehensive? It was the first time I had met someone in person on the site. I was in my head a bit too much I suppose.

  527. sexyrockstar says:

    The “good” was an auto correct mistakes. But qualities of a good sugar baby when it comes to POTs:

    – being able to send messages and carry on a conversation
    – tailoring your profile to the type of SD you want
    – having classy/sexy (not trashy) photos to help (not totally eliminate) the salts/photo collectors/the wham bam thank you mam not contact you
    – showing up early/on time to POT dates
    – not come off entitled – doing this will win huge brownie points with the MAJORITY of the POTs (small percentage of men on here are those paypig) doing this will also eventually lead to bigger allowances
    – understand it’s a MUTUAL BENEFICIAL arrangement. Both parties need to be happy
    – not waste Time with the scum bags on the site.
    – be able to properly negotiate allowance
    – constantly put effort into yourself. Remember, there will always be a younger, hotter chick. Stay on your game

    ….. just a few examples

  528. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work”

    Wow, who are these women? Maybe ones who don’t have any other options, if they’re willing to go through some insane cross country obstacle course, only to be cast aside immediately following the act. If you really need to get laid, you typically don’t have to go much further than the closest lounge or nightclub, flirt for five minutes, and drop the hint that you’re horny :)

  529. Josh says:

    *The Rational Male

  530. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Secret says:
    April 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm
    I have been on here for close to a year and have not found a genuine, real, supportive, non-controlling guy. I need help with a nice set up to get this appreciative SB get back on her feet. Ideas?”

    “Non-controlling” as in a guy who will give you tons of money for virtually nothing.

    Details please…

  531. Josh says:

    Iron Rule of Tomassi #3 [Author of The Rational Man]

    When a woman makes you wait for sex you are not her highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It’s sex first, then relationship, not the other way around.

    A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you. She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work – women who want to fuck will find a way to fuck.

    The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable and wants a relationship first is the same girl who fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break just half an hour after meeting him.

  532. sexyrockstar says:

    @maddie
    Once I’m in an arrangement, then yes. I stop looking.

    “I met a SD”
    AKA you met a POT.
    Then you two decide to get into an arrangement with each other. Then POT becomes your SD.

  533. KeKe says:

    @Maddie…if you found what you are looking for, what is the point?

  534. AliceS says:

    I can’t. I want to know the secret. what good sb means. and I didn’t finished my 1000 puzzles yet

  535. AliceS says:

    MaddieBlue i can’t answer it I never met the real one..

  536. DarkHorseSD says:

    Alice you should be in bed. (Asleep)

  537. DarkHorseSD says:

    “On another note, I just looked up “pay pig” and financial dominatrix and I can’t stop laughing at this… Wow… Are they men on SA that are like that?”

    Yes Kenna…see you are already on your way out of your first marriage. Congratulations!

  538. AliceS says:

    UncommonSB I saw their add. never watched the movie itself. though description sounded familiar to it.

  539. MaddieBlue says:

    From what I am reading on the blog you all seem very knowledgeable about this. Quick question… I met a SD and we hit it off really well. I was so nervous, but he made me feel very comfortable the first few dates. Oh, and the sex was amazing. Do any of you SB ever keep looking/dating if you find a SD that fits what you’re looking for?

  540. UncommonSB says:

    @AliceS “its like 50 shades of Grey?”

    Not at all. That is quite possibly one of the worst examples of healthy kink.

  541. KennaKenna says:

    @Uncommon yes I know, my hubby(sounds so weird lol) is a Dom after all.

  542. AliceS says:

    No need to slap just define it

  543. AliceS says:

    sexyrockstar define good sugar baby please

  544. AliceS says:

    UncommonSB its like 50 shades of Grey?

  545. UncommonSB says:

    @Kenna There is a HUGE difference between the cliche, which is typically about pain, humiliation, degradation and feminization. The realm I play in is the sensual side, which focuses on intellectual stimulation and even using the same toys and devices that a vicious Domme might use, but instead using them to control a man’s sexual experience with teasing, building endurance, exploring sensitive areas of the body, and discovering the line right before pleasure becomes pain.

  546. sexyrockstar says:

    @secret
    Why do you think you’re having trouble? a good SB should Find an arrangement in less than two months

  547. KeKe says:

    @Sexy…I sneeze and fart all the time! So embarrassing. Thankfully those usually don’t stink. Lol

  548. Secret says:

    I have been on here for close to a year and have not found a genuine, real, supportive, non-controlling guy. I need help with a nice set up to get this appreciative SB get back on her feet. Ideas?

  549. KennaKenna says:

    @Uncommon Phew! To be honest, for a second I was thinking that’s the kind of Dom you were. Good to know I’m not the only one who finds it bizarre.

  550. Josh says:

    50 years old, no wife, no kids, sounds like you won to me

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7EfMzdQ08]

  551. Josh says:

    How to Deal with SBs who got Boyfriends

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWrUnSrSCx4]

  552. UncommonSB says:

    @Kenna The pay pig thing is one of the most ludicrous things I’ve ever heard of. For whatever reason, there’s a serious humiliation fetish that those men have. They actually WANT to be treated like sh*t. Not my thing at all.

  553. sexyrockstar says:

    Sometimes when I sneeze, a fart comes out.

    No body talks about that kind of shit (pun intended) so figured that I should.

  554. KeKe says:

    @Kenna Congratulations! I’m very happy for you and your husband!

  555. KeKe says:

    @Sexy…Your blog was hilarious. I actuality live in fear of farting around my Lover. My farts are the serious nose hair burning, eye watering/bulging, you think something crawled upside me and died kind.

  556. KennaKenna says:

    @KeKe yes I got married. :-)

    @Sexy thank you :-)

    On another note, I just looked up “pay pig” and financial dominatrix and I can’t stop laughing at this… Wow… Are they men on SA that are like that?

  557. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Sexy Check your email! I immediately regret having sent it! hahaha

  558. VZP says:

    @sexy
    awesome post lol you’re silly woman but yet The struggle is real for real. I did learn most of that during my early 20 serial dating days… i wasn’t courageous enough to start this then wish I would have though considering all the wasted time on IRL dating ugh phew … almost 30 and FunDude had me scared my life was over lol just for a moment he got me there but I’ve been reassured I also look really young no one ever believes my age when I tell them…

  559. StruggleIsReal says:

    @VZ
    Okay, I’m a little more comfortable with that. Just tread carefully, as it seems you are intent to do. :) Hey, maybe it will be a good thing to come of it all!

    @Sexy
    SO. REAL. LMAO!!!
    OMG. I must email you. I cannot cannot say what I need to say to you on here. You might want to use it for a stand-up bit though, coupled with some of what’s in your blog-post…. LOLOLOL

  560. KeKe says:

    @All Hello my blog peeps
    Why are we congratulating Kenna? Did you get married @Kenna?

    My Lover is definitely the silver fox. With the grey hair and all. The description fit him perfectly.

  561. VZP says:

    @struggle
    I’ll follow that advice. But the pot creep was actually very supportive of his friend n I. He pulled me aside n said hey my friend really likes you so don’t tell him how we met….???… i was so confused but whatever he’ll find out the truth if it moves forward cause I’m a horrible liar I’m honest to fault :/.. but they do work closely and spend most of those down time together which I why I think the pot did what he did to spice things up for them. All in good fun type of thing he just handled it horribly. So idk but I’ll remain on gaurd.

  562. sexyrockstar says:

    The struggle……
    …. is real.

    Bawhahaha.

  563. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Sexy
    OMG bahahahaha!!!! Your blog post! Hahahahahahahaha Dying!

  564. StruggleIsReal says:

    @VZ
    Maybe don’t *completely* ditch the possibly promising “friend” of the creepo just yet, but don’t dig in too much with him. Keep at arm’s length and perhaps observe lightly to see just how close of “friends” they really are. If you felt genuine chemistry with him, I’d hate for you to throw that away completely because of a douche.
    There are times where a guy will meet up with a group and may never see certain members of that one-time group again. If he is fairly decent friends with him though, or even business associates, I would just tread carefully. The original POT obviously has an ego thing going on, and might be royally ticked off if he realizes that you and his friend/colleague have something going on.
    Just be careful. Use your best judgement and intuition.

  565. sexyrockstar says:

    Kenna! I’m so happy for you :)

  566. MaddieBlue says:

    Hi! Newbie here… TEST POST

  567. KennaKenna says:

    @eloquence

    Thank you, missed your blog presence!

  568. sexyrockstar says:

    @vzp
    I just made a super funny, yet serious post.
    Lol. I’m so stupid.

  569. VZP says:

    @sexy
    Great for new sugars. welcome to the bowl

    THANK YOU!

  570. sexyrockstar says:

    @vzp
    No. Nothing happens. When you make a comment, it asks for your name, email, website, and then comment. I just added my URL in the website section

  571. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    My SD is the CEO/a young silver Fox.

    He’s not yet 40.

  572. VZP says:

    @sexy lol girl I was a head of you was checking it out before you said to. I didn’t realize clicking on someone’s name took them somewhere. Does mine do that? IM wondering what info one would receive by clicking my name…do you see my email associated with this user name? Can SD see my profile?

  573. Promise says:

    Of the 3 types SD’s listed here which one do you guys think you are?

  574. sexyrockstar says:

    @vzp
    if you click on my user name, it will link you to my blog. I reblog a bunch of stuff and post my stories, advice, and all sorts of shit.

    Great for new sugars. welcome to the bowl.

  575. james says:

    definatly silver fox, i like my daddies to be a big daddi… cuddles and more cuddles :)

  576. tia says:

    sighz im still looking for my sugar daddy :(

  577. VZP says:

    @sexy that’s why I’m coming to this. I’m glad that there is a place to come for feed back. I’ve definitely made my rookie mistakes and will probably make others. I suppose how else aM I to learn but through experience. On that note besides this one event I have not found myself in any dangerous situations Thankfully.

  578. Eloquence says:

    @ Kenna

    I am a little bit behind on sending you congratulations. Very, very, happy for you. So with no further adue, this ditty goes out to you.

    The girl remind me of a marriage how a woman is at a man’s beck and call, the diversity and the happiness that goes into breaking all the rules and going with the flow :)

    Of course, no link…but youtube: Fall Out Boy Vevo “Uma Thurman”

  579. sexyrockstar says:

    @vs
    I said hey common sense OR get out.

    I seriously hear so many horror stories, See new SBs get taken advantage of and oh good. I just just reblogged a story from tumblr that this chick seriously did dumb shit and she got flat out taken advantage of.

    When I started in this, I wish I had someone telling me to not be retarded LOL.

  580. VZP says:

    @flyR
    that is my view and take on it. That is how I’ve been handling it. I was just curious because @dark horse asked so I took it as an implication of opposite. Thank you for the reassurance.

  581. gentleman soul says:

    @Promise
    @gentleman Something that’s treated like a dating relationship. YES ! That is what I want.
    I had no clue people liked vaginas this much. Penises and mouths love vaginas . A connection between a vagina and a penis can calm a lot of anxieties . You should try it sometime . But you should start with an experienced loving Daddy who can teach you how it is done .What is your cell # ( ; Seriously ,I talk to a lot of girls enjoying the Gentle Touch that their 1st experience was horrible because their partner was an equally inexperienced and selfish boy who just took his own pleasure . They can’t believe it can be so amazing .

    @GP

    ” maybe she(Promise) will find a nice, patient man that she will be better able learn from and not be taken advantage of because of her youth and inexperience.
    Ditto!

    @VZP

    Should I be asking? I thought that to be rude

    Only ask if you are planning on sleeping with him . Tit for Tat .

    GeorgiaPeach iquor any day. LOL

  582. DarkHorseSD says:

    @L, we are all jealous of Kenna and thrilled to see her ruin her life by marrying a rich man she can take to the cleaners when her muffin can’t cut it no more with the guys.

  583. Melissa says:

    @Josh
    That’s exactly why I want to try barre. It’s supposed to be great for toning and flexibility

  584. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Promise “@GP But I really don’t like younger guys.”
    I didn’t mean that to be taken quite so literally. What I mean that is you have to find/meet the right guy that fits your needs and wants, while keeping your own values and standards.

  585. AliceS says:

    Yes I see you’re back too. Dark Horse with no pants!

  586. VZP says:

    @Dark horse your distinct thoughts from an SD perspective would be valued immensly.

    @VZP, I was thinking about “I ended up having great chemistry with one of his colleagues and there seems to be promise for feature arrangments.” when I asked about money…

    One of his colleagues and I hit off right away. The immediate chemistry everyone hopes to find. And although he is not on this site or in sugar world. He was naturally caring generous and considerate. He n I spent most of the night chatting and he expressed helping me with anything I may need help with as an SD would. He and I have great potential to turn into something ideal. The experience itself though has put a damper on it for me now after discussing here. I have lots to think about. I do now feel it might be best to just move on as suggested by @struggles For obvious reasons she also stated since he is friends with the creepo. I’d rather not be a fool.

  587. Josh says:

    @L

    “Why are we saying congratulations to kenn? As if marriage really means anything to the people on this site!”

    Do you have a different idea as to what to say to her?

  588. L says:

    Why are we saying congratulations to kenn? As if marriage really means anything to the people on this site!

  589. flyR says:

    @ VZP –

    For many of us demanding money for a first meet is a non-starter. Not because we are cheap but rather because it is the reverse of the process. Imagine a store charging you a cover charge to enter the store to buy merchandise no more favorably priced than the competition. That does not mean that I will not offer to pay for a sitter and some gas money if a long drive but the difference is between a demand and an offer.

    Take another example , an architect wants our client’s business. They suggest lunch or breakfast . I will generally offer to pay but will be surprised if they do not insist on paying. It may sound too commercial but at a first meet you are there to sell sugar.

    On the other side of the argument, if someone is trying to compromise you the first thing they will often do is offer a gift. Just get you to accept something of value. When you demand or accept something at a first meet you may be compromising your bargaining position.

  590. DarkHorseSD says:

    I see THAT SKUNK Alice is back.

  591. DarkHorseSD says:

    I have significantly distinct thoughts about VZP’s experience from ones mentioned here, some in opposition to the advice given and assumptions made.

    Just staking my claim while not getting around to articulating.

  592. Promise says:

    @Josh LMAO You just reminded me of a Torah Cents video. XD

  593. Josh says:

    Don’t we love strong, independent women on welfare?

  594. Promise says:

    @GP But I really don’t like younger guys.

  595. DarkHorseSD says:

    @VZP, I was thinking about “I ended up having great chemistry with one of his colleagues and there seems to be promise for feature arrangments.” when I asked about money…

    Thanks for giving a full answer as to the money.

  596. Josh says:

    @DarkHorseSD

    Correct…30% of men 20-34 are still marrying. :(

  597. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    “That’s fantasytalk. Feminism has broken the collective backs of special guys. It’s all hook up now.”
    Perhaps true to some degree, but Josh what I was referring to was that maybe she will find a nice, patient man that she will be better able learn from and not be taken advantage of because of her youth and inexperience.

    Yeah, I know it’s all about the “feminists” these days. Perhaps this is part of your lack of “beer” these days. LOL. BTW, nasty stuff. I never did acquire a taste for that drink. Give me the liquor any day. LOL

  598. DarkHorseSD says:

    ” Feminism has broken the collective backs of special guys. It’s all hook up now.”

    Hmmmmm. I wonder. I suspect there’s far too much mangina still, but that may not be in conflict with your thesis.

  599. Fundude says:

    @Josh

    Correction, SOME MEN.

    Considering only 30% of men between 20-34 are married, not all men are moving mountains for vag.

  600. Josh says:

    @Promise

    “I had no clue people liked vaginas this much. 0-0”

    Sweetheart men would move literal and proverbial mountains for a little vagina action. Vagina has the tendency to make men do dumber things in life, such as, getting married.

  601. Josh says:

    @GeorgiaPeach

    “until you that find special guy you can connect with.”

    That’s fantasytalk. Feminism has broken the collective backs of special guys. It’s all hook up now.

  602. Promise says:

    @Josh I’m not just looking for college assistance. I’d like mentoring too. And who knows if I meet the right SD stuff could happen.
    On another note I had no clue people liked vaginas this much. 0-0

  603. VZP says:

    @Dark Horse SD

    @VZP, how was the money?

    Do you think it appropriate to expect money on a “first” meeting? I’ve found some SD are supportive of this but others not so much. And if so how much would be appropriate? I’ve been lenient on this point only because I’ve received such mixed opions. I try not have the mind set of “expecting” money up front. It’s my understanding the money comes once things get rolling. Although many are generous and give me cash as a courtesy. I don’t ask. Should I be asking? I thought that to be rude

    Side note though since my experience lastnight was what it was I did ask for some cash from the one who set the meeting up he gave me $100 I was “fine” with that. I also enjoyed a pleasant Thai meal and drinks on them so… idk… should I raise my “expectations”…

    Yup total rookie here… learn as you go right?

  604. Josh says:

    Exercise is for toning. Exercise is not for losing weight. I am on a diet regimen now. Let’s see how long I can keep it up. I think that one of the most important things is that currently I am off beer. 😉

  605. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Fundude says:
    April 22, 2015 at 12:59 pm
    See allowances by 18-21 year old ladies who are willing to have intimacy at 250/meeting. I have gotten these offers.”

    They also provide the service of not taking a lot of your time.

    Top end SBs.

  606. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Promise
    What @Josh said, what @Melissa said and likely what others will say.
    Yes, this can be a rather “entertaining” and “amusing” place, but with your recent comments, you have a lot more living to do as a very young college student. From what I’ve seen thus far, this site should only be inhabited for those who are mature, strong-willed and can take the verbal abuse that no doubt happens here at times. You appear to be a sweet, kind, gentle young lady. You just need to date – a lot, until you that find special guy you can connect with. I wish you well and you have my email. Please feel free to contact me any time. :)

  607. Promise says:

    I’m not gonna give up that easy.

  608. Melissa says:

    @SBs
    Has anyone tried Barre fitness?

  609. Josh says:

    @Promise

    “@Josh Please don’t give up on me. T~T”

    There is no point wasting many SDs’ time with those parameters. Of course, you may stick around here as often as you want just like many inactive SBs and SDs do.

  610. Melissa says:

    @Promise
    Again…what Josh said

  611. Promise says:

    @gentleman Something that’s treated like a dating relationship.

  612. Promise says:

    @Josh Please don’t give up on me. T~T

  613. KatPaw says:

    @FlyR
    Hiiiiiiyyyyyyaaaaaaaaa!!!!

  614. gentleman soul says:

    @Promise
    @gentleman Sex is something that scares me. I really want to wait till I tie the knot to lose my (vaginal) virginity. Do you think toys or BJ’s will suffice?

    Promise ,you have cut your market down to 1% of the SD population . We’ll see what the other SDs say about their needs. I need/want the full package including no condoms . Obviously that arrangement involves maturity ,good birth control ,and STD testing. If it’s any consolation many college age girls in my area state “no sex” . And I notice that they are still active on the site for months until they cancel their Profile . I’m not saying that you couldn’t find a guy who will be satisfied to pay you an allowance in return for only bases 1 -3 ,but it is unlikely.

    What do you see as a realistic Sugar relationship with Daddy ?

  615. Josh says:

    @Promise

    “@gentleman Sex is something that scares me. I really want to wait till I tie the knot to lose my (vaginal) virginity. Do you think toys or BJ’s will suffice?”

    Sweetheart, I did not want to say it before before I did not have compelling reason to do so. Based on the above, this site is not for you. Get a loan for your studies, and move on from sugar.

  616. flyR says:

    @ promise “@gentleman Sex is something that scares me. I really want to wait till I tie the knot to lose my (vaginal) virginity. Do you think toys or BJ’s will suffice?”

    depends on finding the right SD for what you want .

    Probably 90% no but you only need 1
    probably a married man whose wife is not skilled or willing at the skin flute (as a former SB used to say) . Might also be another Bill Clinton who wants to say ” I did not have sex with that woman” (although in Clinton’s case he was lying as the definition of sex in the deposition did include oral sex)

  617. Fundude says:

    See allowances by 18-21 year old ladies who are willing to have intimacy at 250/meeting. I have gotten these offers.

    Interesting times especially consider the older SBs demanding much higher numbers.

  618. Fundude says:

    @Peeps

    Im closer to a swimmer body than a ridiculous sized bodybuilder. Not too much muscle.

    @All SBs

    I wouldn’t be talking shit about the older SDs because that level of disdain will become obvious in interactions. It won’t lead to a long term allowance.

  619. flyR says:

    “What is not believable is why a sane “man”, while allegedly living in/around second largest US city, would/could hire a couple of unproven girls from 100 miles away, off SA to risk ruining a 50-person party”

    Actually I “live” in a very rural area about 150 miles from the big city, but am there on business much of the week and keep an apartment there .

  620. Promise says:

    @gentleman Sex is something that scares me. I really want to wait till I tie the knot to lose my (vaginal) virginity. Do you think toys or BJ’s will suffice?

  621. gentleman soul says:

    @gtt_envy

    SB sex will never compete with real life relationship sex. The passion, emotion, and burning desire to be with that person is not there (especially on the SB) side.

    I believe the opposite is true -for me anyway . If your SO is singing your song and making your heart flutter why risk disappointing /destroying her for the sake of a hot roll in the hay ?

    Most of us are here because our SOs aren’t doing it for us .

  622. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “mommy”

    Since @flyR likes to talk about my “mommy” a lot…let’s turn up the heat until @flyR’s supporters start calling it “unfair”.

    When you were conceived, was your father still able to get it up or did they use a turkey baster on your “mommy”?

  623. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “I have also found a great maid through SA”

    That I can believe…because most SBs make the amount maid would make and switching from waitressing to being maid is comprehensible.

    What is not believable is why a sane “man”, while allegedly living in/around second largest US city, would/could hire a couple of unproven girls from 100 miles away, off SA to risk ruining a 50-person party. Maybe he lives in Holiday Inn every single night.

  624. gtt_envy says:

    Kenna*

  625. gtt_envy says:

    SB sex will never compete with real life relationship sex. The passion, emotion, and burning desire to be with that person is not there (especially on the SB) side.

    So, the sex is usually just renting a hot body. My current is good, but my long-term gf is better because of the emotion and passion.

    She doesn’t have a pistol grip vagina and the libido of a Energized bunny like my SB though.

    @Peeps, for most women you are spot
    on…..not many 20 somethings into banging 50+ yr old guys even with a allowance.

    Always anomalies like Jenna etc, but definitely not the norm Just like single SDs not the norm.

    Good luck sugaring!!

  626. DarkHorseSD says:

    @VZP, how was the money?

  627. flyR says:

    @gentleman – “If I meet a Pot who grabs my hand and says “you are SOOO cute thanks for meeting me she would be 100 yards ahead of the next SB in line.”

    very true

    also add

    Be genuine inconsistencies are red flags

    Leave the scars from others at home – we are not here to take the burden of your mistakes

  628. flyR says:

    Just to annoy Joshie – I have also found a great maid through SA

  629. flyR says:

    joshie – “Need a fake story?…Better Call @flyR.”

    I’ll add this to the $10,000 challenge – or is that beyond mommy’s allowance

  630. DarkHorseSD says:

    KennaKenna says:
    April 22, 2015 at 9:05 am
    @peeps I disagree completely. Have you seen my hubby- approaching”

    Just when I’m ready to give up sex Kenna comes along.

    I’m sure it’s frustrating. The blog is no longer controlled by escorts and scam artists doing a how to on everything that arrangements aren’t and hooking is. Only a few at the fringe try to push their way in now.

    Does it reflect the real world? NO! The “real world” is so loaded with scammer and escorts it’s completely inefficient to get through it and no longer a viable avenue.

    Do I hope IRL like ONSD is doing will pan out? Yes I hope so.

  631. VZP says:

    I wasn’t really serious about the ticket. It was a smart ass comment to the creeps nature. I have had my parking tickets paid for if received during the date but they offered. I understand this. It was just in regard to him and the experience. Off the wall.

    I did say something to him about how he handled this situation. He is aware I am unhappy about it and knew then. He did not get my attention that evening and the other girls were more into keeping my company rather then his. I don’t imagine he had much fun sitting on the side while the rest of us enjoyed each other’s company.

  632. gentleman soul says:

    @Promise
    What do SD’s like in an SB?

    What can you do to appeal to an SD ? Be yourself -because you can’t fake it for long. Make an effort to “fancy up” when you are meeting Pots and certainly when seeing your Daddy. And ask him what he wants from you . But up front assume he wants #4 in the above answer . You can’t ever go wrong overdoing the friendly loving .

    If I meet a Pot who grabs my hand and says “you are SOOO cute thanks for meeting me she would be 100 yards ahead of the next SB in line.

  633. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “A few years ago I was two days away from hosting 50+ neighbors for a traditional july 4 bbq dinner when my servers/food prep announced they were going to vegas . SA came to my rescue .”

    Need a fake story?…Better Call @flyR.

  634. Josh says:

    There are “needs” and then there are “wants”.

  635. flyR says:

    @VZP – At the very minimum he owed you the truth about the group vs private dinner. There are a number of explanations for what was happening but no excuse for bringing you in cold. A few times I have taken pot to recreational business functions but always with advance discussion of who would be there and the program.

    Pay for the ticket – no . For an existing SB I have paid her ticket when she was trying to help me with something .

    A few years ago I was two days away from hosting 50+ neighbors for a traditional july 4 bbq dinner when my servers/food prep announced they were going to vegas . SA came to my rescue . I found two college students in a joint ( double your fun) profile , talked with them enough to sense that they were not professionals or trailer trash and hired them . Both had catering experience including some impressive places. They were awesome, the neighbors love them . They came from 100 miles away so there was no long term potential. I have also used SA on occasion when I needed photographs of something across the country in a hurry or just someone to visit a site and gather some information. Again all of this discussed openly up front.

    @ Promise ” what do SD’s like in an SB”

    great question, I assume different people will answer totally opposite, but the essence is want something that is missing

    Personal checklist
    attractive
    intelligent
    NICE
    sensual
    comfortable with arrangement and enjoy the sex
    looking for something in addition to financial
    reliable
    positive
    FUN
    non smoking
    no hard drugs
    doing something worthwhile with their lives and with the allowance
    NO DRAMA

    Others may be looking for the opposite

  636. gentleman soul says:

    @Promise
    What do SD’s like in an SB?

    LOL Promise ,you crack me up ! And are so sweetly naive . My kind of girl !

    We all have different needs but first and foremost 1)physically attractive ( each has our own taste) -visual is first 2) agreeable personality (non argumentative ) ,3)sex appeal ,4) willingness to be physical (sex yes but touchy feely ,kissy ,huggy) and 5)enough brains (not stupid)

    The bottom line. Act like you are the luckiest girl in the world to have met and be in the company of –US ! If you are like peeps -fake it. If you are like Kenna -be yourself. That’s pretty much it . I don’t want a mensa member who will discuss feminine studies in the 21st century . I just want you to adore me ,fuck my brains out on cue, and have a great time .

  637. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    Hey Darlin, thank you so very much for clearing up all that stuff about wedding anniversaries. From what I know thus far about Kenna, she really doesn’t need an “anniversary” or any other real occasion to “spend (her) respective man’s money.” LOL. From what she’s said, she does ok with that now and he’s quite happy with it too. I also didn’t get the idea that she/new husband are going to advertise their recent wedding a great deal, but reply more on their “big fake wedding” date as their official one, to their friends/family. :) Perspective Sweetie.

  638. KennaKenna says:

    @GPeach Thank you!

  639. Josh says:

    Only a woman can come up with a two anniversaries “worry.” And only other women and empathize with such “worry” of hers.

    Let me clear it up for you. You have:

    1. A real marriage date.
    2. A big fake wedding because strong, independent women want to dress up and spend their respective men’s money.
    3. An anniversary of the real marriage, year after year because the strong, independent wife wants to extract ever-expensive gifts from the man, and strong, independent women want to dress up and spend their respective men’s money.

  640. Gudinne says:

    There are significantly more than three types on this site that I can see in the limited amount of time I’ve been on the site.

  641. VZP says:

    @struggles@sexy
    @Sexy is a smart bad-ass who won’t stand for a-holes. She gets a lil fired up- and she will back it up- and that’s one of our favorite things about her, among many. She doesn’t want to see anyone getting hurt, including you, other SBs, and SDs as well. She draws a hard line against slimeballs, but she is very understanding and realistic too. So her frustration with you is only her frustration that someone perhaps younger, even more impressionable and new than you to all of this, will get really fucked with by this guy or someone similar.

    There’s not a thing wrong with that at all. Pretty awesome in fact. Thank you for the concern. And for being as open and honest with me. I came here for exactly that.

  642. Josh says:

    Mirror Selfie Models [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAL_Lx2Bm1w]

  643. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Kenna
    I’ve had a rather busy week, but I did manage to see that you are now a “married lady.” Congratulations to you both. I am sure you now have a VERY happy husband – in more ways than one. Plus you’ll have “two” Anniversaries now to celebrate!

  644. StruggleIsReal says:

    @VZ
    No problem! I’m really glad you came here to get some insight. That is exactly the kind of thing this forum is/should be for.

    Also, I appreciate that you shared your experience honestly, even though it was a less than stellar one, because others may read it here and be able to gain and understanding of what is and isn’t acceptable, not even just in Sugar. That situation could easily apply to a real-life situation as well.

    @Sexy is a smart bad-ass who won’t stand for a-holes. She gets a lil fired up- and she will back it up- and that’s one of our favorite things about her, among many. She doesn’t want to see anyone getting hurt, including you, other SBs, and SDs as well. She draws a hard line against slimeballs, but she is very understanding and realistic too. So her frustration with you is only her frustration that someone perhaps younger, even more impressionable and new than you to all of this, will get really fucked with by this guy or someone similar.

  645. Josh says:

    Dating a Feminist [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RPIPkZRbrk]

  646. Josh says:

    @Promise

    “What do SD’s like in an SB?”

    First and foremost…pleasant personality.

  647. MissLady says:

    Wow, that experience of vzp is creepy

  648. Promise says:

    What do SD’s like in an SB?

  649. VZP says:

    @sexy… that’s a bit harsh. Get out n get some common sense. It was a first time thing for me that I have now learned from. My safety is always a priority. If I felt in danger I would have left. I’m glad he left me honestly the gentleman who did buy me dinner were some pretty awesome people not like him at all. And not in sugar world. I took it as making new friends at a bar during happy hour as I would IRL. I am still learning so I don’t agree I need to get out of sugar. My experience so far besides from this has been exceptional in comparison to dating IRL. I’ve learned so much and am still growing into this. I can next him and move on no problem because I am doing alright and have other pot SD on the horizon. I know it takes time it’s a process especially when some can only manage to see me 2x a month. I plan on applying my lessons learned, be selective & patient. Maybe I’m not cut out for this but for now I’m confident that I am. I’ve gained nothing but praise thus far aswell so the ego stroking from dates is also helpful and inspiring.

    I do appreciate all of you. Really I do and am taking your advise seriously.Thank You.

  650. KennaKenna says:

    @Josh I keep telling you I’m not a princess; princesses do not get on their knees lol.

  651. StruggleIsReal says:

    @VZ
    Thank you for answering that. I did address the age part of it in my last post. If you were super young I would be even more concerned. Very young girls would be more likely to not heed any of this advice and continue with the creep. I imagine that you won’t, considering your age, which brings with it some experience, even if not in Sugar, and also your responses seem to indicate that you “get it” now.
    Location, mainly to get an idea of what kind of environment you are/were in, and also just to be aware of that kind of situation in case I happen to hear/see something like that from any other bloggers etc in the same/ similar region, which would likely mean he is a legit predator and not just a scummy douche trying to look cool. In which case, he should DEFINITELY be turned into SA and possibly more…

  652. VZP says:

    Aahh.. yes… thank you I really appreciate it. @struggle

    I also don’t drink much and decline shots I’m not easily pressured. I’m usually driving an hour for any meeting. I just didn’t know how best to handle the situation at the time. now I am seeing the bigger picture here.

  653. rembodler says:

    I think ppl misunderstood what I was trying to say. If peeps were to simply say she does not see anyone who reached ripe George Clooney age, I would have absolutely no problem with that. I have a problem with her seeing someone, taking his money and despising him at the same time.
    If she only wants to date ppl her age, that is quite alright. I do not see anyone past 25, I think it is quite alright.
    To put it in perspective, if I were to say I will
    see 30yo for a minimal allowance cuz they are low quality, that will be similar to what she said.

  654. sexyrockstar says:

    @vsp

    You need to get out of sugar or get some common sense.

    It’s disturbing how you don’t see that this man is a potential danger.

    of course you felt comfortable. it’s in public. He was nice. Friends were nice. But he left you alone. Smh

    You have no idea how many girls are more concerned with getting money vs. Their own safety. Don’t turn into one of those girls.

  655. VZP says:

    @strugglesreal
    why ask age and location? Just curious. I did provide.

  656. StruggleIsReal says:

    @VZ
    Okay, I’m glad you’re at least not super young, so you probably are able to hold your own better than most 20 yr olds would.
    I see, as far as his friends not being aware. This guy is a total creep, trying to up his cred by using attractive (I am assuming) young ladies like yourself to make himself look cool, without your knowledge, and by pressuring you to consent. Sure, he didn’t rape you, but his tactics reek of what @Sexy alludes to– date rape, etc. Get the girl there, pressure her into something and make her feel vulnerable. Surround her with a group of people who are “all doing it too” so it “seems fine”. Sauce her up on some alcohol, hey why not pop a rufie in there for good measure?

    I’m glad you are nexting him. Be cautious of his friends too, simply because they are attached to him. Someone who will behave this way is also someone who will have no problem dragging your name through the mud. Just move on from the whole thing entirely, without causing a stir, I say. Say you’re exiting Sugar, as it isn’t for you after all, and you are focusing on other things. Don’t bruise his ego too badly directly because he may retaliate. I would report him, but I might give it a little time so it doesn’t seem to be connected to you.

    I am just advising you as if I had been in that same situation. That’s what I would do for myself.

  657. UncommonSB says:

    @VZP You’re definitely lucky nothing happened. Best case scenario… his game is to come on SA posing as an SD so that he can trick pretty girls into hanging out with him, while not ever intending to get into an arrangement. He wants to boost his image with his friends by having a harem show up, making them think he gets ‘all the ladies’ all the time. Total loser and fake. Next.

  658. VZP says:

    I agree with on all counts @sex y

    But I was comfortable with the other men and in a safe public environment. He wasn’t even around most of the time. as he left to a meeting that came up n joined us after dinner for drinks with the other 2 who also brought other friend male n female along with them. So it ends up being about 8 of us in the end just hanging out at bar then we all went our separate ways. His colleagues were not POT SDs. They were thrown off as much as I was n were respectful made the best of it. It was weird for all of us. he is definitely not a good one or one to trust. I won’t be making the same choices again. Now that I have other perspective from all of you. Which is why I posted. I honestly wasn’t sure if this is something that happens regularly in this world. Now I know and am grateful it didn’t turn for the worst.

  659. Josh says:

    I find it interesting that more than one older SDs has claimed to be better in pleasing the younger women. I TOTALLY AGREE if that’s your fetish. But such pleasing is NOT coming from the shear (Viagra?) hardness of your dick. It is coming from knowing and working the sweet spots. A younger man can do that as well.

    The problem is that most younger men don’t know that women don’t get satisfied through vaginal intercourse, and need non-vaginal stimulation before, during and after sex, such as, sweet-talk, nipples, neck, clitoris, etc., etc., etc.

    But that is the second step…

    The first step is the entry fee, which starts from dinner at McDonald’s all the way up to thousands of dollars monthly allowance. The younger men get to have the lower entry fee, the older men are required to pay the higher end.

    ‘Tis what it ’tis.

  660. sexyrockstar says:

    …. he brought you to a date. Other men…. Random girls coming. one was smart and left. hhhmmmm.

    You know what? Don’t report him. date rape isn’t an issue. prostitute rings aren’t real.

    You were comfortable with a man who didn’t feel a need to tell you about what/how this date was going to work.

    But, he has zero potential to be dangerous because nothing happened to you, right?

  661. Josh says:

    Sarcasm? Nah!!!

    Every strong, independent woman knows that…I am just the messenger.

  662. VZP says:

    @Josh lol sarcasm at its best 😉

  663. Josh says:

    @VZP

    “I got pulled over on my hour drive to meet him and got a speeding ticket… should he pay for it?? Lol from idk”

    Of course…

    Also, if you stopped at a convenient store within two hours of the date, decided to steal some candy, get caught by the police, and are in jail, then he should pay for the lawyer and the bail.

    The rule is that as soon as a man is in your life, even remotely, all of your problems of omission or commission are HIS problem.

  664. VZP says:

    @sexy
    You need to report him to SA. You said you’re new to this. I’d hate for something bad to happen.

    Report him for what exactly?

  665. Josh says:

    Most women don’t get sexual satisfaction through vaginal intercourse with younger guys, unless those guys put a lot of effort to make it happen.

    SBs should be here for decent company, decent time and allowances from the older men, and NOT to get sexual satisfaction from the same.

  666. VZP says:

    I got pulled over on my hour drive to meet him and got a speeding ticket… should he pay for it?? Lol from idk

  667. Dazed-SD says:

    PS, @ peep,, and us in shape old guys, who’ve been doing this a long time, we can do things to you the young bulls haven’t even figured out yet ! LOL
    Why because we want too ! :)

  668. VZP says:

    I’m not defending him at all I just didn’t feel threatened or unsafe. I was just caught off guard as I obviously should have. I was trying to be professional amongst his colleagues. In this case it did turn out well. I just wasn’t sure how to process all of it. I really do appreciate all of your input and concern.

  669. Dazed-SD says:

    @Online,, hey brother, glad to hear you found a good one ! Me too, after a dry spell. :)

    @peep, I don’t take offense to what you wrote about us “Old” guys, what I don’t like is when people take broad brush strokes at any body. So by your logic, I could say, any women under the age of 30 sucks in bed ! why, because I’ve been with a couple of 20 something’s here in the sugar bowl, they pursued me, and they sucked in Bed, so from that I can draw that all 20 something’s suck in bed ? But I’ll bet 10 bucks, @struggle, @kenna, @ Lainey would argue with me about how they perform,, think so ? Well, the women in their 40’s are really the best, because 20 YO suck.

  670. KatPaw says:

    @Josh
    lmao Smartass.

  671. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna is definitely the ideal story of quintessential Sugar done perfectly. All SBs should take notes. I think it is safe to say that she/her relationship set the “gold standard” for Sugar.

    @Kat
    Pleasure to make your virtual bloggie acquaintance :)

    @Sexy
    Girl, I would LOVE to come watch you “bomb”/ own the mic! I think this would be a perfect hangout, don’t you @ONSD & @Keke?! And you’re damn straight we will laugh!

  672. Josh says:

    @KatPaw

    “@Josh
    ahhh good to see you haven’t changed any.”

    I am glad that you are “good to see” that. 😉

  673. VZP says:

    I agree I am nexting the guy I initially went to meet. But his colleagues were just as confused as I was. He also pulled me aside and advised me not to say how we met or through which particular site. These guys were just being courteous to me but also found themselves enjoying my company and were glad in the end that I stuck around. I am in MN I’m 29 … the 4 men were mid 40s early 50s.

    I think I will keep my business to myself n keep my circle just mine. Thank you for that.

  674. sexyrockstar says:

    @vsp
    You shouldn’t have to wait to walk away when something bad happens. you need to do it before.

    You’re fucking lucky nothing bad happened. Stop trying to defend this POT.

    You need to report him to SA. You said you’re new to this. I’d hate for something bad to happen.

  675. Josh says:

    *If SA stopped using stock photos of tall, chiseled, 30ish men…and only showed stock photos of 40ish and OLDER men, then there would be a lot less SBs on the site, and the paying membership would be a lot better served.

  676. KatPaw says:

    @Kenna
    I’ve always had the hots for older men myself and you describe the extra reasons why perfectly.

    @Josh
    ahhh good to see you haven’t changed any. Lol 😉

  677. sexyrockstar says:

    @vsp
    That’s creepy.
    That’s scary.

    You being new, once you saw another SB leave that should of been a sign. plus, there’s a revolving door of girls meeting them. that’s fucked up.

    The fact he didn’t tell you before hand means he knows it’s wrong.

  678. KatPaw says:

    @Struggle
    We are both very open minded and it wouldn’t work with out the honesty, trust and loyalty. This kitty is just needing a little more sugar in her life right now. Lol oh and pleasure to meet you I’m a oldtime blogger starting ohhh wow 2 years ago now.. I think… lol

  679. StruggleIsReal says:

    @VZP
    I don’t like the sound of what is going on there. You should know in advance what you are getting into. Fair enough, if he had made you aware previous to it all occurring, but your intuition was kicking in with making you feeling uncomfortable. I say, in those situations, politely excuse yourself, and if you still feel inclined to, again politely explain that you simply weren’t comfortable meeting a group of people when you were not prepared for that ahead of time. Red flag.

    My sense is that he and his buddies are seeing what they can encourage/pressure you and other ladies to do with the whole “group hangout” thing. I would be wary, as I would think they are not so much interested in a true arrangement and likely not offering an allowance, etc.

    And, he left you alone. He does not care about your comfort, privacy, or safety. MAJOR red flag! That alone is enough to NEXT this guy.

    Do not stay in touch with the other girls you met. If anything, tell them that you have decided against Sugar and you are focusing on your studies, dating IRL, your career, whatever. You do not need your name and likeness being passed around by males and females alike. Circles are MUCH smaller than you think. News travels fast. I hope you didn’t use your real name. How old are you? Or at least, if you are uncomfortable with stating that here, an age range would do. And where / what region do you live in?

  680. Josh says:

    @KennaKenna

    There are many reasons why you are a princess and other are not. 😉

    The first rule of successful sugar…LOVE OLDER, RICH MEN of all sizes and libidos!!!

    SA has this idiotic fetish (SB duping strategy) to show tall, chiseled, 30ish men’s stock photos to mislead SBs in thinking that they can get decent allowances from the same.

    So the SBs continue to waste SDs’ time shooting for tall, chiseled, 30ish (or 40ish the most) men while leaving a lot of money on the table.

    @FunDude has decisively debunked the delusions of some SBs through his “blunt” posts, refusal to pay allowances, and then bagging a 23 year-old blonde who is into him sans allowance. Where will that lead? Who knows…but the fact is that tall, ripped, 30ish men are NOT paying allowances. Sorry ladies…wake up and earn your princesshood like @KennaKenna has.

    If SA stopped using stock photos of tall, chiseled, 30ish men…and only showed stock photos of 40ish and men, then there would be a lot less SBs on the site, and the paying membership would be a lot better served.

  681. UncommonSB says:

    @VZP Yikes! That would not fly with me, at ALL. He set you up to be introduced and perceived to a group of strangers in a way that you had not consented to. That’s the equivalent of making a date with an SD and when he shows up, you’re waiting with some girlfriends who all expect him to pay for the group dinner followed by taking you all on a shopping spree. What he did was weird, slimy and totally disrespectful.

  682. VZP says:

    We all had one drink and ate in the VIP lounge where other hotel guest were also (semi public)then went to a restaurant and bar. His colleagues were unaware of what he was doing or how or why. We discussed it over dinner. But I do agree I was upset and suspicious. I could have existed at any point but so curious as it was first for me. They were all very respectful in the end. No pressure. It was fun but yes could have gone very bad at which point I would have just easily taken a walk. I’m just not sure about making friends with this female. I like to stay in my own lane I’m not worried about her.

  683. sexyrockstar says:

    @struggle
    @onsd
    It snowed early morning. But it’s gone now.

    By law of averages, I should be bomming (totally fucking suck) at a open mic soon. Id like for that to happen around you guys because at least you’d laugh.

  684. VZP says:

    I recently declined an older SD who said he was 57 but looked older then my 75 year old grandfather. But I didn’t decline because of his appearance alone but mostly because he is not experienced. If I’m going to be with a much older man I feel he should be an experienced SD otherwise it’s to risky and I’d have to teach him when I know so little have so left to learn. He creeper me out a little bit honestly. I did tell him this & felt sorry. I’ve just ran into a lot of “newbies” lately and am really not seeing any benefit to attempting an arrangments with them. In some way I fear or suspect a “poser”….but if the chemistry is there it’s kinda hard to deny but when it ends I feel dam I wasted my time on that one.. learning as I go and it’s no easy task being in this new world but I’m confident.

  685. Melissa says:

    @VZP
    Uh…sweetie…that story just sounds all sorts of wrong. You are worried about the girl?! I think you need to reevaluate

  686. LadyScarlett says:

    @VZP, It sounds like this man has arranged with a few women from site, or wherever, in order to have a bit of a seeking arrangement party(or, in blunt terms, to pimp the girls who showed up to his colleagues and friends). It was not a date…if you are okay with this dynamic, or ended up liking one of the men, then fair enough, but I was waiting for the story to include a bad outcome..kind of scary to meet a big group of men, who you do not know, in a hotel, with drinks involved…Especially, in that he did not tell you of this before meeting–very shady. I would have been mad at that, and left as soon as i saw what he was doing. I would not be concerned with making friends or not with the other girls…you are worrying about the wrong thing here…

  687. VZP says:

    3 hours of sleep & working a 12 hour shift today… worth it

  688. StruggleIsReal says:

    @KatPaw
    Very cool! That is awesome that you guys are open-minded and open with each other! I enjoy hearing happy people from all sorts of relationship structures.

  689. HoToTrot says:

    to add: the sex might be amazing, but that’s not the general reason for going for an older man for lots of women. That’s just icing.

  690. KatPaw says:

    @LadyS
    meeeeeooooowwwwww prrrrrety lady, How are you doing? Yes Still in North Carolina and plan to stay…. Still haven’t found the right SD several close calls. Lol

  691. VZP says:

    Hello all. I had quite the experience lastnight. I made arrangements to meet up with someone from the site. With the impression it would be a casual meet n greet, drinks, food & check out that chemistry. Well I found myself in the VIP lounge of the
    hotel with a group of him n his co-workers. This was a bit uncomfortable for me as polite as
    they all were. It was a first for
    me. Normally privacy and or discretion is a priority in first meeting in my experience so far. I made the best of the situation, set my nerves aside. I ended up having great chemistry with one of his colleagues and there seems to be promise for feature arrangments. The one I was there to meet though, well, he left me alone with his colleagues I joined them for dinner. Then he advises us though text the we will be expecting another female to join us. She bailed on site lol. As new and weird as this situation was becoming I was eager to meet another female from the site. I was kinda bummed she didn’t stick with it. She missed out. After dinner he rejoined us for drinks. At this point he advised 2 more females
    would be joining us. We all ended
    up having a great time over drinks. My concern here I guess is…. one
    of the females expressed keeping in touch in regards to experiences
    through the site. I myself have
    just started this journey at about 6 mounts in. She is fresh It was her first meeting. I gave some
    polite suggestions but am not sure I want to hold her hand through
    this. She is the bottom line… my
    competition, we are the same type
    of female same features,look,attitude… I’m confident and trusting in chemistry that I understand we each would not have the same chemistry with the
    same man. I’m not sure how to proceed. Am I wrong? Should I
    become “friends” with her? How would this be beneficial for me if I did?

    Weird date weird circumstances but I stuck with it enjoyed myself kept good company and now may have found myself in a great position. I wanted to run I’m glad I stayed. Fingers crossed for an arrangement.

  692. Promise says:

    @Kenna Aside from FunDude I’ve never been into huge muscles myself. I’m more into “Soccer bodies” if that makes sense.

  693. HoToTrot says:

    @gentleman soul, I don’t want to speak for @peeps, but I think she was talking pure aesthetics. I find older men more attractive for a myriad of reasons, but if we’re talking purely physical beauty all by it’s self? Youth usually wins. If women can accept that a man finds them 90% attractive because of their youth and beauty, how come older men can’t accept that they’re status and experience is the main reason they’re sought after? You can’t have it all.

  694. KatPaw says:

    @Struggle yes I am very happily married. I guess I’m the “lonely housewife SB”. My hubs and I are in an open marriage we don’t lie or hide stuff.. We both belive humans are not ment to be sexually monogamous but you can have a life partner throughout it. Sugar is a turn on for me so it’s a win win it sexually turns me on and helps my family. The hubs is turned on by me being with other men as well so it makes our bedroom life more exciting. We have our “rules” and we talk to eachother about others we are speaking to ect…

  695. gentleman soul says:

    @Rembodler

    Why waste time and money on someone who is loathing u… Beats me. Go date younger boys and split the bill…

    LOL Good one !

    @peeps
    you’re all so upset by my comment that older guys are not on a purely physical level as attractive as younger men????? That is called nature…I have also said that men only have to focus on accomplishments and status and they will over the younger men easily that way because women care more about security than sex

    You know peeps ,I get it. We(men)don’t appreciate older women sexually ,so why shouldn’t you women ? Our ego is such that we often feel that our “stuff” is better that the competition’s. Many SBs tell me (and other sds) that they like being with older men over age appropriate boys because we are 1) richer ,2)more mature, 3) better lovers -to name a few. So your taste is for younger age appropriate guys . Go for it ! We all are seeking that which we want. That’s a little redundant but it’s simple . If I like 27 yr old Asians from Hokkaido –then that’s my thing. If you like young boys -hardbodies -who ejaculate in 20 seconds -that’s your thing . I know ,I know –just sayin ” I’m sure there are boys who can hold it in for longer -hopefully until you get your nut too .

  696. KennaKenna says:

    @peeps I disagree completely. Have you seen my hubby- approaching 50 and fine as fuck!

    I don’t know if most women prefer younger men but I certainly do not. They have never done it for me personally but I can only speak for myself.

    When I think about all the crushes I’ve had over the last decade, they have always been significantly older than me. I don’t think there’s one guy in his 20s I’d give a chance to, they are just not my cup of tea.

    Money aside, older men exude confidence, patience and sophistication so naturally, it’s quite mesmerizing. Maybe it’s just my luck, but I’ve always had great lovers- attentive to my needs and invited on me climaxing multiple times before them while my peers have complained about their “same age” lovers giving a few pumps, rolling over and falling asleep.

    Physically, I love salt and pepper hair- it drives me insane lol. Chiseled abs and defined biceps are not my cup of tea. Don’t get me wrong, being in shape is important but Abs and muscles do nothing for me.

    So yes maybe I am the exception to the rule but I am genuinely attracted to older men and their cocks.

  697. LadyScarlett says:

    rembodler, do not make it too obvious who you are….hehe 😉

    Hey Alice, how are things? And, hello, katpaw (((: Are you still in NC, katpaw?

    hototrot, there have only been a couple of ‘male’ posters who are causing all this bashing noise, really, and understand where you are coming from, but seems things are more positive today, so that is a nice change (:

  698. StruggleIsReal says:

    @KatPaw
    So you are married and a SB at the same time? No judgement, just interested in the dynamic as it isn’t the usual one.

    @Alice
    Nice gravatar! Is that you?

  699. StruggleIsReal says:

    @HoToTrot
    No worries. That is understandable. And for the record, I like @peeps and most of her posts. I understand her feelings and yours as well. I just want us all to find ways to express ourselves without being inadvertently disparaging to others due to the actions of *some*, not all. :)

  700. KatPaw says:

    @ Alice not quite that long sweetS. Moved to North Carolina back in August and been kinda off radar since then.

  701. Promise says:

    I told y’all that peeps is nice. She just worded it wrong. :)

  702. KatPaw says:

    Hmmmm so actully went through and read some post….
    younger girls are just plain stupid when it comes to guys… some out grow this sooner then others.
    I personally don’t care how tall a man is. I’m just just under 5’8″ and my hubs is shorter then I am. I personally have always had a thing for older men. My last experience With a young SD well let’s just say I’ll be sticking to older men!

  703. HoToTrot says:

    Oops accidentally erased a part of my original post. Meant to say: @Struggle and @ONSD forgive my newness, I have only been reading the blog for a few months…

  704. HoToTrot says:

    few months. However, I will have to go back and read previous months/years, because I haven’t seen what you’re talking about for the past several blog posts. I’ll just take your word for it. Just looking for some balance of perspective here. Just seems so one-sided as of late. When anyone new or refreshing comes it just seems they’re drowned out by these one-note folks. Not just boring but not very representative of what’s actually going on in the real world. I spend most of my life not online, so that could influence my beliefs.

  705. AliceS says:

    Katpaw you’re alive :) yaaaay it’s been a while like a year or so :)

  706. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Oh, I should also clarify…it was also @Sexy looking at MY profile, @Kenna with encouragement, @Lainey even with her perspective, @ATL for the support of the IRL concept and @Dazed for another guy struggling in a similar fishing pond…

    This community CAN be good for the SB or the SD to refocus and find what they are looking for…it can also be a source to push someone OUT of the Sugar Bowl, but I would contest those that leave the bowl because of interactions on this blog are probably not really Sugaring and are more escorting/johning at the fringe of “real” Sugar.

  707. StruggleIsReal says:

    Aw @ONSD! Thank you for that!

  708. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @HoToTrot – @Struggle is right, she did reprimand those of us SDs that were belligerent, as much or more than she did to @peeps recently.

    In fact, I would say her comments when I was one of the SDs going off about low quality and inflated expectations and horrible SBs is one of the main reasons my attitude changed from ranting to “let’s find another way” and drove me to look at IRL options and ignore the drivel I was finding on SA…which also gave me time away to let my current SB “student” join and hit my radar, connect and make me now a happily sugaring SD!

    She’s happy I’m happy…but…I’m happy because she made me open my eyes and change my perspective!

  709. StruggleIsReal says:

    @HoToTrot
    It seems you have either not been paying attention, or to my knowledge, you haven’t been around for that long/very much.

    I have many times told the dudes to cool it with the bashing and disparaging language.

    Pretty sure most, if not all, of the following vet bloggers would attest to this (a couple haven’t been here for a minute so may not see this).
    @Josh, @ONSD, @Sexy, @Lainey, @Kenna, @LadyS, @FlyR, @FunDude, @ATL, @Midwest, @Southern, @YGBKM, @GAPeach, @ErikTheRed … Surely there are some others but there are a handful off the top of my head.

    I have addressed those who I took issue with directly and boldly… And moved on. No need to keep beating a dead horse.

  710. KatPaw says:

    Meow to the blog it has been a loooooong time… nice to see a couple familars… hmmm
    3 categories interesting. I thing it all depends on the MAN the type of SD he will be.
    Diamond ha those are very very far between.. but that is also dependent on what each SB is wanting in her arrangement.

    I hope all are sugarrrrrrrrlisous!

  711. AliceS says:

    Maybe she’s not aware of it. she’s do focused on what she hates

  712. Shernaine says:

    That is a great read.
    There should be one with a selection of the three above. Being new in this . Each person has a sense that drives them and each has an expectation from the other. Mutual understanding should be of great importance

  713. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    I just saw a profile (one that sent a message asking for help)…the revision included something along the lines of…

    I HATE X, Y, Z…judgmental people…T, U, V

    (where the letters were a string of things she did not like in the relationship)

    I’m torn, because if you hate all these things, why would you also include judgmental people? Isn’t listing all your dislikes being judgmental?

  714. AliceS says:

    Morning all :) I decided to read comments today :)

  715. HoToTrot says:

    I can’t recall a long lecture following any of their posts by you. Are the men more sensitive and need of protection? Seriously.

  716. HoToTrot says:

    @Struggle, you point out @peeps for rude bluntness. But you should be bold enough to site the specific men that do it too– and to a a far worse degree I might add. Not just vague generalities. Just sayin…

  717. StruggleIsReal says:

    @ONSD speaks the truth here.
    Figure out what you want. Look for it. Ignore the other annoying stuff- the fakes, the flakes, the ridiculous ones. Get yours. Enjoy it. No need to insult others.

    For the *most* part, women don’t come here as often as the guys do to “bash” SDs / the male population.
    Speaking respectfully and objectively is one thing. Being rude and cruel is quite another. There are certain ways to conduct oneself that allow for all parties to speak truthfully and objectively, even about otherwise controversial matters.

    Also, I consistently see other consistent, quality blog SBs back up the guys here and offer various perspectives, and I participate in that myself. If you go back to the last blog, you can see that I made reference to something that proves exception to @peeps’ more blunt post. No offense to you peeps, but I felt your post was just plain rude and degrading to many of the men here in Sugar, and in life in general. It is no different than how a few key male bloggers here consistently “bash” women. I’d prefer we don’t stoop to that level.

    Using stigmatizing language and lacking tact in expression of one’s thoughts and experiences only leads to the offending party looking bitter, silly, ignorant, etc. And yeah, it does give way to debates that are more destructive than constructive.

    I am really hoping this blog commentary will get back on a more positive trajectory. One in which we all share experiences and don’t feel the need to constantly shame others for what we personally do not find appealing. Especially avoiding the day, after day, after day posting of the same thing which you are annoyed with.

    Be happy people. Don’t just choose it. BE IT.
    I just lost a loved one that taught me that. Find the good, get busy being stupidly happy about it, and shut the fuck up about the rest. Do like a dog– kick some dirt over that shit, and move on!

    @ONSD
    Yes! Would love to, for sure! I am leaving town later this week for work then back towards the end of the month, then have family coming in first week of May. Maybe we can get something together for mid-May?! Maybe when it finally gets WARM hehe! (Is this the longest winter ever or what?!) I know I keep saying this, but I’m so happy you’re so happy!

  718. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Struggle – are you still interested in a Chicago gathering? Student said she was so nervous when we went to lunch with @Sexy and drummer, but she loved it…we’re game to get to Chicago for something!

  719. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Looks like I missed a heated debate on the other blog…but it takes too long to load, so I’ll just say this from the brief commentary on this post:

    If us SDs get to bash women for their foibles as they age, @peeps and other SBs can certainly bash men for our own…

    However

    it all comes back to finding the right mix of sexual attraction and financial commitment. If it’s a formula like (SB Looks + age difference + married premium) * the inverse of SD Looks = Monthly Minimum Allowance + Gifts + entertainment FINE

    If it is less clinical and it’s about the sexual attraction between two people and the need to make sure both are taken care of in their own way FINE

    If it’s something else completely FINE

    I tend to think (now that I’ve found student) that there is SOMEONE out there for EVERYONE. It’s just a matter of your ability to stay strong in your foundation, hold to what you desire, let yourself be open to possibilities and LISTEN…what have I been told over and over? oh, yeah, you’ve got two ears and one mouth for a reason…use them in that proportion.

  720. rembodler says:

    lol@peeps. Ok, darling, I will agree with you – on one condition
    Next time one of our 37 Internet years young SB will come here to preach how men prefer her to a 20 year old chick like you – and I will tell her she is full of BS, used goods, “this is called nature” and so on. And that the only reason she has any success are men who are…we should call them “short on funds at the moment”? please support me on this, will you darling? Will you?
    The hypocrisy of women…

  721. HoToTrot says:

    @peeps: You told NO LIES! You betta preach…

  722. peeps says:

    You’re all so upset by my comment that older guys are not on a purely physical level as attractive as younger men????? That is called nature…I have also said that men only have to focus on accomplishments and status and they will over the younger men easily that way because women care more about security than sex. Is that so controversial? That we don’t want to see your dick pics esp. if you’re 55 years old? I didn’t realize men had such thin skins…

    I find it odd that the blog and guys like Josh bash women constantly and when we point out something that is so obvious – that esp. if you’re married, the majority of women 30, 20 years younger would not be with you without an allowance, y’all get mad??? Why not go back to the “real world”? Try ANY non-SA dating site and see how that works….just WHAT is the advantage of a married man 20-30 years older other than financial security and the mentor role???

    I am speaking the truth here…I don’t see why anyone should get mad or offended by this.

  723. Josh says:

    @SA_or_NA

    Leeching the host is one level of exploitation. To leech and to have disgust for the host is very sad.

    How different it is from not only exploiting a girl by pimping her on the street, but also thrashing her on daily basis just because she is a whore?

  724. SA_or_NA says:

    The ideal SD is one that will give lots of money and let himself be completely manipulated by the SB who, instead of working and finding her own way in life, would rather be a leech on another who, for various reasons of his own, accepts the arrangement.

    There are numerous symbiotic relationships between parasites and hosts in nature. This is yet another one.

  725. Josh says:

    Sandman comments on women like @peeps

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQnBfVAMK_k]

  726. GeorgiaPeach says:

    Wow. Slow night here. LOL
    SB’s and SD’s are busy on a TUESDAY night? LOL
    Oh well.

  727. Josh says:

    @Promise

    “She likes sex too.”

    Almost every woman “likes sex” when sun, moon and stars are in a perfect formation. Some women are a bit more into sex.

  728. Promise says:

    @rem peeps is a nice person. She likes sex too.

  729. rembodler says:

    @Josh
    I used to do that too… 25 years ago. Nothing wrong with it. It is just that the woman who thinks that Mr. Pitt and Mr. Clooney are only hot cuz they are stars and millionaires will be disappointed with any other men in this age group. Unless she is as good @ acting as said gentlemen. she will provably screw up. There is nothing more hurtful to a handsome old man than even the slight hint that he is only as good as his wallet. And if his wallet is nice, even nicer than his package, well… There is more of “peepses” where she came from, does not take a week to replace with a new or better model.

  730. Josh says:

    @Rem

    The younger, in-demand boys are a bit smarter. They take them to McDonald’s and then split the bill. 😉

  731. Josh says:

    5′-9″is fairly tall for a female.

  732. rembodler says:

    @peeps
    U r a perfect example of a person who should not date older men. If u were dating me, I would probably picked up on your resentment/contempt immediately and nexted you without any hesitation. There are plenty of women out there who do not feel like you. Why waste time and money on someone who is loathing u… Beats me. Go date younger boys and split the bill…

  733. TaylDrea says:

    Well usually I hate to categorize people but in that case I would answer with #2 for me.

  734. WCSD says:

    @Flyboy – I don’t think short actors are motivated by their height to get into that field, I just think that in general short people have bigger personalities to get themselves noticed as someone my height does not have that issue. A big personality is something all successful actors have, and therefore people of a shorter stature have naturally honed that skill throughout their life. The question about Clooney is why did he become a top actor? And yes I think height had something to do with it. Not 100% of course, but it influences. Can a 5’8″ person play in the NBA? Sure they can, but someone 6’8″ is probably more influenced by their height to make a career choice in that field…

    As for your engineer friends not getting laid…well that is engineers for you (and me being one of them). Again, that career field attracts more introverts, and people who don’t have the social skills of other career choices (think of a car salesman…do they have the same personality traits as your engineers in general??). I definitely agree that women make wrong choices on what attracts them at different times, but hey, if they aren’t all begging to get in bed with me, they must be making the wrong choice right!!

    Some people blossom in high school and their ‘heyday’ is for those 4 years. Others blossom in their 30s, others 40s, and others even later. I’d choose my life and ‘blossom’ at 35 and have years and years (working on 6+ right now) for fun rather than trading it for fun in high school or right out of university for the short span that those tattooed low lifes will get…

    Life is a slow, long race. Sometimes you are behind…sometimes ahead. If you are lucky you might go from right behind to getting head!

  735. Promise says:

    @FlyBoy That’s not a nice thing to say. :(

  736. FlyBoy says:

    Mr. Suavecito

    When you talk about the newest Louboutin pumps or Balenciaga goodies, he’s in tune to your fashion desires. He knows what’s-what regarding fashion trends.

    Fashion trends …. That’s gay … lol

    Cheers :)

  737. FlyBoy says:

    @WCSD;

    @peeps – all (ok most) actors are short. The reason they can be ‘larger than life’ on the screen is because they grew up with ‘short man’s syndrome’ where they had to be larger than life to make up for being the shortest guy in their peer group. Which makes them a natural to get into that line of work…

    I’m 6’4″ so I could never be an actor…

    John Wayne was 6′ 4″.

    It’s a myth that “shorter” guys are motivated by their lack of height. GClooney is a top actor because GClooney is a top actor, nothing more and nothing less. Men do not care how tall another man is, only that he is a stand up guy or skilled in what he does.

    Women on the other hand discriminate against guys for many reasons not just height. I have working for me a bunch of 6’+ engineers who can’t get laid if their lives depended on it. Why? Well apparently because they are educated, intelligent, hard working guys with highly paid jobs. These are considered minuses in this day and age. The women are “hooking up” with the losers that have neck tattoos .. etc. My boys have to wait 10 years until the sluts get their fill of the cock rodeo and are ready to “settle” for them.

    This unfortunate situation produces a lot of bitter guys, but bitter guys don’t became world class talent. Most likely they will withdraw away from society or scream at it every chance they get.

    For the record I am 5′ 9″; so average lol.

    Cheers :)

    PS: From the other blog.

  738. UncommonSB says:

    My sweet spot falls between older CEO and younger Silver Fox. Old enough to know better, and young enough to keep up :)

  739. Denise says:

    Made it to spot #4! Well the description for Silver Fox seems to be close but he’s younger than that. He does have a nice sexy salt and pepper beard creeping in that I just adore:)

    Ohh I’m just now remembering they used to have a wishlist on this site. I suppose they ended up getting rid of it at some point.

    Any who… time to get ready!

  740. Promise says:

    Congratulations Kenna!
    The first one originally reminded me of FunDude until I kept reading.
    @FunDude How much do you know about fashion labels?

  741. LadyScarlett says:

    Heya, struggles, just emailed you back (: Glad to see you, and was just wondering how the big move went. Looks like things are going well…

    Muah, defo think there are more than three types…

  742. StruggleIsReal says:

    Hm, my former SD, now GB, is definitely a mixture of all three, plus some of his own attributes that apply specifically just to us.

    He’s the age/looks/desirability of Sauvecito, but without the showiness of his resources. He wanted me exclusively right away, but with past SBs, they were definitely sharing space on his arm for a short time, and not much publicly.
    He’s the work-style of the CEO and ironically has the confidence of the Silver Fox. With me, he is fully generous in every way, and then some. With past SBs, his style was more cut & dry like the Sauvecito and CEO.

    Decent takes on a few of the various types of SDs out there, but those interested in engaging in Sugar should also understand that like my guy, some are mixes of several types and of course, not everyone can be fully pegged with a general description. But not a bad starting point to understanding, I suppose.

  743. MistressChief says:

    Lots of good information here! I’ll definitely have to keep these in mind. I never would’ve thought that there would be younger SD’s lol

  744. Muah says:

    Only 3 eh…

  745. rembodler says:

    Rem was here