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The Saga of V. Stiviano
  • Posted Apr 16, 2015

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Her court-side presence was the envy of every aspiring Sugar Baby, but the saga of V. Stiviano is one that’s ending in tragedy.

It’s the fear of every spoiled Sugar Baby: having to give back all the perks. The truth is that V and Donald were in a romantic relationship, whether or not they admit that to his wife. Then why is she responsible for returning the gifts he gave her?

For most would-be Sugar seekers, this would never be the case. In this particular instance, the items and money were gifted while Sterling was still legally and financially bound to his wife, meaning everything he gave Stiviano was only half his to give.

While this is cause for concern in the Sugar Bowl, you shouldn’t be worried about your own Sugaring. V and Donald had a major falling out, namely when that racist little snippet hit the media, costing Sterling his ownership of the Los Angeles Clippers. As long as a Sugar Baby doesn’t cause damages resulting in million dollar losses, she should be in the clear.

It’s apparent that Donald was not on Stiviano’s side in this matter, likely because the recording she may or may not have leaked cost him his livelihood. There is one way for both parties in a mutually beneficial relationship to avoid a debacle like this one. Making sure that you never negatively affect one another in a Sugar relationship is the most important thing you can do to end on good terms. It’s mutually beneficial for a reason, and when one side isn’t benefitting, the relationship is sure to end in a trail of Dior mascara covered tears.

“The truth is that everything that I have, you’ve given me from your heart without me begging or asking or throwing myself all over you,” Stiviano said. Regardless of the nature of their arrangement and the vengeance of his wife, this point holds true, yet she is still indebted.

In this case, there’s not much that could have been done since in the eyes of the law, everything Sterling gave Stiviano was not entirely his. Our advice? Tread lightly when dating a high caliber (and potentially married) man, and be sure to never piss off his wife. Perhaps a recording of Donald expressing his undying affection for V would have been a better leak than the one that ruined Sterling’s less than sterling reputation.

What do you think of this debate? Was Stiviano wronged?


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834 Responses to “The Saga of V. Stiviano”

  1. BethSB says:

    @Kenna congrats babe. Marriage is hard work, stay focus babe. Xoxo so happy for you.

  2. Shernaine says:

    Why would one disgrace the person who helped or fed you or was nice to you

  3. PI Wolf says:

    Congratulations, @Kenna !!

  4. SouthernSB says:

    Chongratulations Kenna!!! Trowing metaphorical rice your way…

  5. Promise says:

    There’s a new blog, but just incase case I’ll say this again. Congratulations Kenna!

  6. SouthernSB says:

    @Promise-Starbucks also has smoothies and Tazo, but your probably already know that since I haven’t been on the site since this morning.

  7. FlyBoy says:

    John Wayne was 6′ 4″.

    It’s a myth that “shorter” guys are motivated by their lack of height. GClooney is a top actor because GClooney is a top actor, nothing more and nothing less. Men do not care how tall another man is, only that he is a stand up guy or skilled in what he does.

    Women on the other hand discriminate against guys for many reasons not just height. I have working for me a bunch of 6’+ engineers who can’t get laid if their lives depended on it. Why? Well apparently because they are educated, intelligent, hard working guys with highly paid jobs. These are considered minuses in this day and age. The women are “hooking up” with the losers that have neck tattoos .. etc. My boys have to wait 10 years until the sluts get their fill of the cock rodeo and are ready to “settle” for them.

    This unfortunate situation produces a lot of bitter guys, but bitter guys don’t became world class talent. Most likely they will withdraw away from society or scream at it every chance they get.

    For the record I am 5′ 9″; so average lol.

    Cheers :)

  8. Denise says:

    Congrats Kenna!

    I’m so excited for tonight!! Can’t wait til snuggle up with my beau.

  9. KennaKenna says:

    NewBlog?

  10. StruggleIsReal says:

    Don’t send pictures of your dick to a girl unless she has asked for it, or at least made it very obvious that she would like one.

    An unsolicited one is just SO off-putting and even if that thing is immaculate, is a turn-off. A lot of the process to turn on a woman is to “build desire”. Make her ask for it. Even then, maybe act reluctant. Make her beg for it.

    For me anyways, I have to be very much mentally turned on by the person to want to see the peen in photo form. Then, I hate to be harsh, but you better hope that thing isn’t odd looking in photo, because if not it can be a distraction to disengage me from the turned-on stage.

    I will say, for me, with my guy… oh yeah!! Photos, videos, yes please… that thing is fucking perfect and instantly electrifies me. That is with a VERY intense bond though– sexually, emotionally, and mentally.

    He is very young and very fit, true.

    However, in the past I have enjoyed photos of only one other dick, and it was on a 50 year old, super-hot, fit man (who I dated IRL, not Sugar).

    I’ve seen other dick pix, all of younger men than the 50 yr old, and only the previously noted two were the ones I found to be a turn-on.

    One has to be realistic too. If you have oddly shaped stuff, just decline to send photos for “privacy concerns”. In person, she can’t sit there and judge it for however long she wants.

    So, go figure.

  11. LadyScarlett says:

    “rembodler says:
    April 21, 2015 at 1:40 pm
    @peeps
    As a rule, women are not interested in male genitalia. For most of them even the live erect penis is just a matter of self-validation (=he loves me/he loves me not).
    As for the electronic version…I suggest u send a photo of your Bentley. If you have one, of course.’

    hehe… 😮

  12. Promise says:

    @Josh “Starbucks sells quite a few combinations of carbs, sugar and/or fat. So you can pick your own coffee-less poison.”
    This was kinda dark. :)

  13. Jj says:

    huuummmm!!! back on the farm, I recall that the most valued “bull” in the arena was the prized bull with the largest “dangling” sack!!!! just say’n!!!…

  14. LadyScarlett says:

    Or, they just wear big black elevator shoes like Tom Cruise does…..

  15. WCSD says:

    I’m 6’4″ so I could never be an actor…

  16. WCSD says:

    @peeps – all (ok most) actors are short. The reason they can be ‘larger than life’ on the screen is because they grew up with ‘short man’s syndrome’ where they had to be larger than life to make up for being the shortest guy in their peer group. Which makes them a natural to get into that line of work…

  17. WCSD says:

    @gentleman – “,I totally love every naked aspect of a beautiful girl’s body-inside and out . Mars and Venus I guess ”

    Depending on the girl…some are just horrid. But I’d say I’m much more appreciative of a woman’s body (seeing past any perceived flaw) than they are themselves. But we all have insecurities when we look at ourselves in the mirror (damn, are my balls too low now?? Why did I not notice that before? They don’t get in the way when I sit in my Bentley though…)

  18. peeps says:

    @fundude
    @Peeps

    I wouldn’t say that my junk doesn’t compare with other guys junk.

    So to make that assumption is ridiculous lol

    Well bottom line is: having intercourse with a much older guy on a purely physical level is NOT the same as having intercourse with a young(er) guy. What makes older men more attractive is the bank account, the position in life and so forth. The physical aspect is where older men (let’s say 45+) lose so there is no point for them to focus on that. Focus on your accomplishments and your budget lol.

    No matter how hard a 50 YO guy works out, he is not going to look as good as a 30 year old and erections won’t be the same.

    George Clooney looks like a grandfather now. What makes him attractive is the package, the money and the lifestyle, NOT the purely physical aspect. If he were a school teacher, he would NOT be as “hot”. Btw I have seen him in person – he’s short and *really* not all that.

  19. Dazed-SD says:

    @All, been away enjoying sugarland, thought I’d stop in and say Hello to all and Congrads to Kenna,, job well done woman ! 😉

    Now @peep, you are painting with a broad brush stroke here,,I’m 54, workout 3-4 days a week, watch what I eat, limit the booze intake,, and let me tell you, no ball sag and erections still point to the ceiling, no drugs needed ! LOL (can’t believe I just wrote this reply) LOL

  20. gentleman soul says:

    @peeps

    we do NOT consider pics of “junk” to be a “treat”

    There is a reason it’s called junk.

    OTOH ,I totally love every naked aspect of a beautiful girl’s body-inside and out . Mars and Venus I guess .

  21. KennaKenna says:

    @Struggle check your email!

    @Erik thank you!

  22. ErikTheRed says:

    Congratulations Kenna!

  23. FunDude says:

    @Peeps

    I wouldn’t say that my junk doesn’t compare with other guys junk.

    So to make that assumption is ridiculous lol

  24. KennaKenna says:

    Thanks guys! :-)

    I still don’t feel any different lol!

  25. peeps says:

    @gentleman

    I’ll pass thanks. Female lesson 101 – we do NOT consider pics of “junk” to be a “treat” lol…

  26. gentleman soul says:

    Congrats Kenna !!

  27. rembodler says:

    @peeps
    As a rule, women are not interested in male genitalia. For most of them even the live erect penis is just a matter of self-validation (=he loves me/he loves me not).
    As for the electronic version…I suggest u send a photo of your Bentley. If you have one, of course.

  28. peeps says:

    CONGRATS @KennaKenna!!!

  29. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Kenna
    Aw congratulations! As always, I wish you and your growing family all the best! Such exciting times for you!

  30. KennaKenna says:

    Guess who is a married lady?!?!?!

    @Josh check your email!

  31. gentleman soul says:

    @peeps

    “Balls drop for one thing. Also, much older men (55+) just aren’t going to get hard-rock high up erections like the younger dudes without drugs, so there is no point is showing off. ”

    I beg your pardon peeps . What is your email? -I want to send you a treat I’m quite sure my junk is exceptional.

    WCSD
    @gentleman – dick pics – Have any of you SDs received naked pics from pots (unsolicited)?

    A few ,but usually disappointing . The almost naked sexy pics that crack me up are the SBs who post them on their profile ,then state that sex is not an option . WTF ?? are they thinking ? Talk about prick teasers

  32. peeps says:

    @misslady

    Balls drop for one thing. Also, much older men (55+) just aren’t going to get hard-rock high up erections like the younger dudes without drugs, so there is no point is showing off. The men who get younger women assume that they are virile because they are with a younger women but the reality is that you can’t deny nature. Although women value security over sex, a much older man doesn’t have to show off on that regard because he is always going to lose. A bigger sugar budget will win on this website every time! Put you package away please…

  33. MissLady says:

    Lol @ peeps and packages! And what changes about it other than the hair color??

    There are a lot of male exhibisionist out there.

  34. peeps says:

    @gentleman

    In my experience ALL men who request additional pictures and want to “exchange” photos (i.e. dick pics) on this website are picture collectors with NO intention of seriously meeting anyone or entering an actual arrangement. When they ask for your number and then “hey do you have more pictures”…it’s another one of those…

    Also, the man’s “package” is not really important since what we’re trading for the most part is youth for money and the older guys just can’t compete with the younger guys when it comes to genitalia, sorry:((( I’d rather not see that if you’re 58 years old…this website for the most part is about compromising youthful attraction for $omething else on the women’s end.

  35. Josh says:

    @Promise

    Sweetheart I have no idea what you are talking about. You will have to quote what you are referring to.

  36. WCSD says:

    @gentleman – dick pics – Have any of you SDs received naked pics from pots (unsolicited)? I have, and some of them (shudder) I don’t even like to think about the pain it put me through.

    I’ve always scratched my head on sending those at random? Who does it actually work with? It must work with someone, or else people wouldn’t do it…but wow I can’t imagine that as being my best selling point.

  37. Promise says:

    @Josh you described the other options in such a horrible manner. XD

  38. Josh says:

    @Promise

    Why say dark?

  39. Josh says:

    I am sure some do, but I have never read any woman appreciating the photos. They would be infinitely happier if the man sent photo of Benjamins.

  40. gentleman soul says:

    UncommonSB
    For the comedy lovers, today a friend reminded me of this skit about guys who send pics of their package

    Too funny ! For the Sugar Babies out there –do you like dick photos from your dudes ? Should all SDs insert a dick photo in the private photo section on SA ?

  41. Promise says:

    :(
    The attraction wasn’t there. :(
    @Josh Wow you are dark.

  42. UncommonSB says:

    For the comedy lovers, today a friend reminded me of this skit about guys who send pics of their package [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbrP5S_KojA]

  43. gentleman soul says:

    @Struggle
    Someone who withdraws sex to a degree that is abusive, in my opinion, should be treated the same as someone who cheats on his/her spouse, rendering many of the perpetrator’s otherwise legal rights null & void.

    A lot already said on this,but Why on God’s Green Earth would anyone opt to get married anymore ? Once you marry your assets become co-mingled ,and if Hubby brings all the assets to the party , Wife will take 50% with her on the exit .

    @Promise
    Wish me luck!

    Good luck Sweetie ! SBux sells H20,juices ,tea ,etc. You can find something trendy that will test your Pot’s wallet. Big Bucks !!

  44. Josh says:

    @Promise,

    Starbucks sells quite a few combinations of carbs, sugar and/or fat. So you can pick your own coffee-less poison.

  45. FunDude says:

    @Peeps

    What the hell is that over your tits? LOL

    @Josh

    I saw that video before. Good for the guy hitting her back.

  46. FunDude says:

    How is are the bloggers doing today?

  47. flyR says:

    @ promise yes juices tea water

  48. peeps says:

    @promise
    An emoji of an alarm clock

  49. DarkHorseSD says:

    SB translations: “Looking for someone real.”

    “Looking for someone who pays.”

  50. Promise says:

    POT later today. Does Starbucks sell anything other than coffee? I don’t drink coffee.

  51. DarkHorseSD says:

    Hi Josh! What did you make for breakfast?

  52. Josh says:

    I wish @Denise’s SD luck.

  53. Bria says:

    i Hate racisim

  54. Promise says:

    Wish me luck!

  55. Denise says:

    Has anyone tried other arrangement sites? Prior to meeting my wonderful SD I pretty much signed up to several just to see what was out there. One site in particular almost doesn’t feel like an arrangement site at all. Remember I told you about the one guy that just went on and on about his 9 figures lol. A few others from that same site send me the most random text messages.

    I just checked my text inbox and apparently just yesterday I received ” Hey I’m at a baseball game with my son”. I’m think umm when did I ask ?

    It’s like someone is attempting to create familiarity where these isn’t any. Creepy.

    The next one was “hey”. I can’t for the life of me remember where that “hey” came from. Another guy from the same site wanted to send me paypal for phone sex. I already told him umm no thanks plus paypal can’t be used for adult entertainment. It’s like couldn’t he just call a phone sex line?

    Then there was the ” call me NOW!”. I responded with no thanks. He came back with some wonderful profanity reducing me to a walking hole.

    I realize I need to close that profile. There’s way too much loserdom there.

    In other news it’s week #2 with my SD:) YAH! He’ll be on my side of town tomorrow night:) I can’t wait!! I’m dying to do a WD marathon with him since he hasn’t seen the show yet.

  56. kitten says:

    I’m pretty sure I’m posting this in the wrong place but could anyone here lead me to someplace I can get some sugar baby advice.

  57. Promise says:

    @peeps what’s on your nipples?

  58. Josh says:

    MZ. Independent is a Deceived Eve

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F99OY-Xovl0]

  59. Promise says:

    @Uncommon You just reminded me of this response video about Sharkeisha. [https://youtu.be/dRmAx34w-Nk]

  60. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh I’ve seen a few videos like that before, with women initiating physical aggression. It’s sad every time. Whether you’re male, female, drunk, sober… I can’t think of any justifiable reason other than to defend yourself. It reveals lack of emotional discipline and a volatile mindset. Each and every time I’ve met anyone like that, there is a correlating pattern to how that instability is carried throughout most areas of their lives. They tend to think it’s their god given right to run around hitting people whenever they get upset with them, a drink spilled, someone looked at their partner, etc. They’re constantly ‘teaching someone a lesson’ when in fact they should focus inward. I always stay as far away from those types as possible. Too much drama, too much negativity.

  61. KeKe says:

    @Lady… him slapping me or rather my ass. Lol

  62. Promise says:

    @Josh no. Just the sound of skin slapping.

  63. MissLady says:

    @keke, wait I thought you liked the slaps…lol

    it’s good that he can see you guys have a good thing going.

  64. Josh says:

    Did you want to see teeth flying out of their mouths?

  65. KeKe says:

    @Lady. . I think so too or rather I hope so.. He told me to slap him if he suggests taking a break again because I make him so happy. I told him to let’s enjoy the now and see where it takes us. He’s such a planner though.

  66. Promise says:

    @Josh It didn’t seem like they hit each other that hard.

  67. Josh says:

    Maybe he finally has got some pussy action going…I guess he was too tired of this shit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e5GoVciKZA]

  68. MissLady says:

    lol @dark ok, I see the distinction.

  69. GeorgiaPeach says:

    Hmmm. The good Dr. FunDude must be working out in the gym this evening with his 23 yr old blonde. LOL. Been too quiet tonight.

  70. MissLady says:

    Awwww @keke, sounds like you guys will be able to work it out and come to common ground.

  71. DarkHorseSD says:

    “MissLady says:
    April 20, 2015 at 6:48 pm
    lol @ dark, is that for her to show her intentions and if she’s serious?”

    That’s so she doesn’t have to make an effort to show her intentions or act serious.

  72. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    WHERE do you find all these sites/videos? LOL
    You (and Dr Fun) have this amazing way of finding all this “stuff.” LOL

  73. MissLady says:

    @struggles
    Yep! That’s what I meant.
    I guess I don’t see why anyone should lose property or access to kids if they cheat, if it is just an emotional contract. I mean, am I wrong in believing it is a legal contract? How do people lose their own property if it’s not? Sorry… I am confused and admittedly clueless about this.

    oh ok, I get what you’re saying. The legally binding party varies from state to state and that part is just to do with property splits/alimony/child support at the dissolution of the marriage, but there are no ‘state’ requirements that state what you ‘must do’ within a marriage. They just state what your options are when you dissolve the marriage (if no prenup exists)

  74. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Struggle
    “@GAPeach Oh for sure. And that’s a wonderful thing, but how do people not simply look around and see the reality… that people and relationships change and evolve ?”

    Life happens. Things change due to circumstances beyond your control. We age – some better than others. He may “see” you differently, just as you may view him in a different light, due to those changes. Outside influences – parents (they age, become ill, etc. and require more of your time, etc) If you have kids, well, there is always something with kids. We realized that once I became pregnant, my sleeping days were essentially over for my life. You Always worry about your kids. My Mom was 90 on her deathbed and she was worried about me. Those things will influence your marriage, your relationship with your husband, as well as your own being and your attitude toward yourself and your spouse. I’ve always heard it was so easy to get married – it’s the divorce that’s difficult. LOL.

  75. KeKe says:

    I cried a little today. I know he wants to be with me though. He just doesn’t want to add more stress to my life. He’s always thinking about me and my kids. He’s so sweet.

  76. Josh says:

    Especially for @FunDude

    Look how many teeth she was showing when she was about to punch him. Then see how much of a shock did she get when she was punched.

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pKjnKhAYZc]

  77. KeKe says:

    He’s not happy with his company. They are sending him back to Germany in December. We have grown feelings for each other and he feels like all the stress of his job is spilling over. Oh the plus size he has an awesome job back home and I said we can visit.

  78. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @KeKe
    Oh no!

  79. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Keke
    Oh no! I hope he’s not! Why do you think that?! :(

  80. StruggleIsReal says:

    @MissLady
    “And to my knowledge a person doesn’t lose their rights in a divorce, just their property (sometimes) and access to kids (sometimes) are those the rights you mean?”

    Yep! That’s what I meant.
    I guess I don’t see why anyone should lose property or access to kids if they cheat, if it is just an emotional contract. I mean, am I wrong in believing it is a legal contract? How do people lose their own property if it’s not? Sorry… I am confused and admittedly clueless about this.

    And LOL @ the Holiday Inn bit! haha

    @GAPeach
    Oh for sure. And that’s a wonderful thing, but how do people not simply look around and see the reality… that people and relationships change and evolve ?

  81. MissLady says:

    why do you think he’s trying to ditch you?

  82. KeKe says:

    Lol @Josh

    @Lady.. wax for real!

    OAN…I see my Lover tomorrow aftee 2 weeks. Meeting up after work. Damm I’m excited but the amount of effort to get cute after 10hr on the job. .. He better be glad he’s worth it. Plus I think he’s trying to ditch me :-( . Got to remind him what he will be missing. …

  83. MissLady says:

    or would that be more of a variable rate ‘pussy’ cd?? what’s the maturity on that deposit??

  84. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    Have someone in mind for DH? LOL

  85. MissLady says:

    lol @ dark, is that for her to show her intentions and if she’s serious?

  86. Josh says:

    Wet or in any condition?

  87. DarkHorseSD says:

    I’m going to need two month’s pussy upfront from now on.

  88. MissLady says:

    lol @ GP

  89. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @MissLady
    Come to think of it, I don’t think we were ever in a Holiday Inn. We honeymooned at Hilton Head Island and God knows we screwed like those rabbits any and everywhere else, including the room next to his Mom (at his house) and a few years later in the adjoining room to my parents when we all went to the beach, but never at a Holiday Inn. LOL.

  90. Josh says:

    Men are Failing Us?

    [http://articles.philly.com/2014-02-05/news/47009371_1_three-women-northern-liberties-two-women]

  91. MissLady says:

    @GP exactly! You’re screwing like rabbits in the beginning, then life happens and someone starts to drop the ball and the other party is left wondering what the heck happened.

    also…you’re welcome lol

  92. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @MissLady.
    All I got is LMAO. Thanks. I needed that today.

  93. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Struggle
    Also when you get married, it’s likely that you/your guy honestly believe you will always feel the same, your libido will remain high and things will remain as “perfect” as they have been while you’ve dated or been together. Reality sets in soon thereafter – sometimes perhaps a few months or even a few years after the kids. Time changes your body, not always how you’d prefer it. Things happen. I’m not sure a marriage “contract” would make a whole lot of difference, except maybe in the beginning. Just my 2 cents though.

  94. MissLady says:

    let me also add, that I have never been married….but I did sleep at a holiday inn

    *anyone please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about the technicalities of the marriage license/et al*

  95. MissLady says:

    because of the license and state requirements for a marriage to be recognize. The rights/benefits of the spouse(s) are what are legally enforceable. Sex isn’t a right….(by law lol). And to my knowledge a person doesn’t lose their rights in a divorce, just their property (sometimes) and access to kids (sometimes) are those the rights you mean?

  96. MissLady says:

    I might add, because a woman still has the right to say no (in the US) and even if she’s married say no to her husband (it can be considered rape if taken too far), she can’t be compelled legally to have sex.

  97. StruggleIsReal says:

    @MissLady
    Oh okay, thanks for that info.
    But if it is just emotional and not legal, why is there a legal ceremony? And why is it that when a person cheats and is caught, many of his/her legal rights are relinquished?

    Sorry, I am truly clueless about it.

  98. MissLady says:

    @struggle, unless I’ve missed something there is no legal marriage contract, just the vows you take (or the biblical covenant that’s between man and wife). For most people it’s an emotional commitment, for others it’s a partnership/business contract. The sex clause or even the lifestyles section of a prenup is just to state what your ‘expectations’ are, not what you’re legally required to do and are not really enforceable, it just lets the other party know under what conditions you would choose to seek a divorce for and just lump it as ‘irreconcilable differences’.

  99. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Josh @MissLady
    I really find it dumb that there isn’t some sort of “fill in your needs/ requirements” format to the typical legal marriage contract. Something that forces both parties to clearly consider the book ends of at least the foreseeable potential issues that can and do commonly arise in marriage. It shouldn’t be left to a pre-nup, but at least it can be addressed with one. If I ever marry, I will totally do a pre-nup, for both his and my sake. Even if we don’t marry and do have kids, we will do a legal agreement as well, that basically will probably look a lot like a prenup.

    Marriage seems really fucking dumb to me. Not the “idea” of it– I am into the “idea” of being with one person forever– but the legal joke and scam that it is at it’s most common and basic level (without extensive prenup).

    Just logically, it is hard for me to understand how anyone who remotely enjoys sex could go into a legally binding agreement with another person, which excludes sex with others outside of that person, knowing that said person could easily retract sexual fulfillment, and you have no legal recourse to remedy the lack of sex situation.

    To me, that is just nuts. I can’t wrap my head around it.

    Someone who withdraws sex to a degree that is abusive, in my opinion, should be treated the same as someone who cheats on his/her spouse, rendering many of the perpetrator’s otherwise legal rights null & void.

  100. MissLady says:

    @josh, agreed to everything with the exception of not as many men asking upfront…

  101. Josh says:

    @MissLady

    “…goes both ways”

    There aren’t as many men asking for upfront pussy as there are women who are asking for upfront allowance. Those who ask for upfront pussy to “show you are worth it”, you next them. The same way prudent men next the women who insist on upfront allowance to “show you are serious.”

  102. UncommonSB says:

    @gentle “@Uncommon You are operating from a position of honor- that you will indeed hold up your end of the bargain.”

    Exactly, and I would never ask for a huge allowance upfront with a stranger. That too would feel transactional as well. I need to first establish that we’re compatible (kink is not for everyone) and attracted to each other. A few substantive email exchanges, followed by a phone conversation, and meeting a few times for drinks and/or dinner. If I don’t find you physically or intellectually appealing by the end of the 1st date, I call it quits, thanks for dinner, best of luck to you. Going on a 2nd date means that I’m starting to like you, so we’ll touch upon how the logistics might take shape. No expectations from either party yet. If we agree it’s a go, then at that point he will have learned from our discussions that it’s not about cash for me. It’s casually dating the type of man who is financially capable of doing nice things that cost money, naturally covers the cost of our experiences together in any number of ways, and of course expects that I can and will do some damage at a kink retailer :)

    We wouldn’t be moving forward if his total monthly sugar budget is (for example) less than the tab at City Hall last night with friends, because it wouldn’t be compatible.

  103. Josh says:

    @MissLady,

    I just googled. I am glad that the prenups now have sex clauses. Lesser chance of sabotage.

  104. MissLady says:

    @Josh, yes, some do have those clauses in there, that sex must occur x times a week or something to that affect….

  105. Josh says:

    MissLady

    “Yes, it’s called a Pre-Nup, heck some are even doing Post-Nups…”

    I am not sure that pre-nups have sex clause(s). Even if they did, state statutes would shoot them down as soon as the woman made a stink about it.

  106. MissLady says:

    @Josh, let’s add a few words to yours…

    Any fool who gives upfront ‘pussy’ will ‘leave with a wet ass’. It is straightforward part of the “alpha male ass hat”. If a ‘man’ can get pussy without doing anything for the ‘woman’, it is a validation that ‘he’ is a ‘stud’ who gets stuff “just cuz the alpha he is”.

    …goes both ways

  107. MissLady says:

    lol @ keke, she said she is a ‘new’ version….she looks like wax….

  108. MissLady says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “So tell me, what does the contract say about sex? Or does it say anything at all? Is there anywhere that holds either partner legally required to, within reason, fulfill his / her spouse’s sexual needs?”
    It does not, but it should. It is claimed that marriage started out to protect women. But it has turned into a full-fledged women-serving scam in western countries.

    Yes, it’s called a Pre-Nup, heck some are even doing Post-Nups….

  109. KeKe says:

    Isn’t it time for a new Vanna White?

  110. Josh says:

    I find it humorous that SBs don’t like per meet allowance because it feels “transactional”, don’t want to take allowance at the end of the week/month, but insist on getting allowance upfront.

    Any fool who gives upfront allowance will lose the money. It is straightforward part of the “princesshood”. If a woman can get money without doing anything for the man, it is a validation that she is a princess who gets stuff “just cuz the princess I am”.

    Doing anything for that money is detrimental to the pricesshood. The more she provides against that money, the more it undermines her princesshood. Therefore, fiscally and psychologically, she would try to stiff that beta/mangina/nice guy/whatever SD, and will look for another fool.

  111. MissLady says:

    lol, go with the white, all else fails pack a back up pair of pants in your purse or something

  112. sexyrockstar says:

    I have these super cute white pants but with my luck.

    White pants + being a female = asking for disaster

  113. Josh says:

    @StruggleIsReal

    “So tell me, what does the contract say about sex? Or does it say anything at all? Is there anywhere that holds either partner legally required to, within reason, fulfill his / her spouse’s sexual needs?”

    It does not, but it should. It is claimed that marriage started out to protect women. But it has turned into a full-fledged women-serving scam in western countries.

  114. MissLady says:

    lol, well damn, no maxi skirt with boots?

  115. sexyrockstar says:

    Everyday beautiful. But I’m bloated. My dumbass ate like a fat kid and I’m bloated.

    So, jeans will give me a muffin top. Plus for whatever reason, it got way cold. Ughhh I’m so done with leggings.

  116. MissLady says:

    tough one. Is it ‘everyday ordinary beautiful’ (like jeans and silk flowy shirt/blouse semi low neckline) or slacks, slight heels and a fitted blouse kinda beautiful??

  117. sexyrockstar says:

    Off topic:
    Wtf should I Wear tonight?
    Why is it that I can dress for sugar daddies, but a comedy open mic?

    I need to have the “yes I’m naturally this beautiful, but no, not dressed up for you mofos”

  118. MissLady says:

    @gentleman soul
    There’s something sexy about a wad of cash.

    AMEN….and can we add: nice stilletos, la perla/agent provacateur lol

  119. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    A POT who would not be willing to eventually give allowance is not worth my time.

    At the end of the day:
    Trust is earned, not given.

    Works both ways. If anYthing in the arrangement makes you uncomfortable, don’t do it. That is for both SBs and SDs.

    I think let’s talk sugar has GREAT advice. I love Brook to death. But, sugar isn’t a one -size-fits-all kind of thing. Take/ask advice for your current situation. Every arrangement is different.

  120. gentleman soul says:

    @Promise
    I honestly never thought about working up to a monthly allowance until recently because other SB’s (and I believe a Let’s Talk Sugar video too) kept saying don’t agree to because they’re most likely scams.

    Sweetie, you sound so nicely naive and sweet . Stick with the PTP with a nice Daddy and the trust will develop. All of my SBs over the years have agreed to the weekly Sugar .Not one ever asked for advance payment . They were not Pros(except one) and appreciated -and counted on -getting a pocketbook full of money every visit . There’s something sexy about a wad of cash.

  121. MissLady says:

    Not always @promise

  122. MissLady says:

    Pay per date starting out doesn’t bother me for 2 reasons, I don’t feel like I’m under any obligation to him had he given me an allowance upfront (I’m a weird duck, if I give my word I stick to it), and it gave me time to establish my trust level with him. Plus, mine always found cute ways to pass it to me. It could mysteriously show up in my purse, land in my back pocket when he tried to cop a feel or be in my cup holder after he walked me to my car.

  123. Promise says:

    I honestly never thought about working up to a monthly allowance until recently because other SB’s (and I believe a Let’s Talk Sugar video too) kept saying don’t agree to because they’re most likely scams.

  124. gentleman soul says:

    @Uncommon

    You are operating from a position of honor- that you will indeed hold up your end of the bargain. Once the hand shake is done you are on . Unfortunately all of us experience cheats (in Sugar universe) who do not do what they said they will . Many SDs ,myself included , have trusted SBs and have gotten stiffed. SBs have also experienced this-not getting paid the allowance agreed on . It’s an equal opportunity business -the cheating in the Bowl. This creates the mistrust that we have about giving an allowance for services not yet rendered . Over time that trust can be earned on both sides . @Sexy has a practical outlook-“I never mind a per date arrangement at first. Any woman who thinks a man will hand her a huge allowance right off the bat is nuts.” Amen Sister !

  125. UncommonSB says:

    @rem “Everytime I paid biweekly, “fronted”, advanced etc. I lost money. Whoever insists on anything like that will be nexted. No exceptions.”
    I’m sorry to hear that you’ve lost money or been scammed. That sucks and I understand how it can jade anyone’s ability to trust others moving forward. If you feel that the risk of doing things that way is not worth it, so be it. I only take to Vegas, or lend to friend, what I’m prepared to lose.

    “Women do not like pay-per-date for one simple reason: they have no self-confidence. ”
    Perhaps that is the case for some, but I personally don’t like to show up with my hand out or charge an entrance fee at the door. I’m not into the transactional nature. It kills my lady boner if we’re both calculating the cost/hour every time we have fun together 

    “Pay-per-date keeps the game honest, although nerve racking.”
    It’s not worth it to me at all if it’s nerve wracking. I’m in it for the casual fun and new experiences, enjoying a scenic detour from the traditional dating world.

    “if you are as good as you say you are, why worry?”
    Define what ‘good’ means to you? I’m pretty sure we all have our own definitions of what is ideal and good. I am what I am, which may not or may not be what you consider good, and we may not fit the profiles of what each other seeks. I don’t think that would make either of us ‘bad’ necessarily, just not compatible.

    “Don’t you have a long waiting list, so you can provide your services to the next poor “patient” without interruption of your income flow?”
    Several thinly veiled insults in that statement, but to summarize my position… I do not rely on sugar a source of income. It is not tied to my livelihood at all.

  126. DarkHorseSD says:

    Any SB that feels strange about per date is welcome to receive the entire allowance at the end of the month, or week.

  127. KeKe says:

    Singing, “I hope that you’ve been checkin’ me
    I know what you’re talkin’ bout
    You got me trippin’ on my own feet
    You got me buggin’ boy
    You bring me so much joy
    You got me open boy
    And I’ma save my stuff for you”

    Song stuck in my head. Lol #SoRandom

  128. sexyrockstar says:

    I never mind a per date arrangement at first. Any woman who thinks a man will hand her a huge allowance right off the bat is nuts.

    @promise
    If you read my whole blog, you’ll see how I feel about arrangements when it comes to moving from per date to monthly allowance.

  129. Promise says:

    @Josh you would throw me to the SJW’s?

  130. Promise says:

    @All ;P

  131. rembodler says:

    @Uncommon. Everytime I paid biweekly, “fronted”, advanced etc. I lost money. Whoever insists on anything like that will be nexted. No exceptions.
    Women do not like pay-per-date for one simple reason: they have no self-confidence. They know they are just one text away from being “ex-SB” and that is kinda scary, once u start relying on sugar. Also, that means they always have to be on top of their game. Again, scary. Pay-per-date keeps the game honest, although nerve racking.
    But, Uncommon, plz tell me this – if you are as good as you say you are, why worry? Don’t you have a long waiting list, so you can provide your services to the next poor “patient” without interruption of your income flow?

  132. Josh says:

    If you do have the urge to talk about crazies, then create a Tumblr blog and go to town.

  133. StruggleIsReal says:

    @Promise
    What @Melissa said @Josh said.

  134. StruggleIsReal says:

    I am not learned at all on the laws of marriage and divorce (I most likely will do neither. I will only marry if it is important to my significant other that we do. I am not *against* marriage, but I do not personally want it. If I ever do acquiesce to marriage, I will be doing a LOT of research about it all!).

    So tell me, what does the contract say about sex? Or does it say anything at all? Is there anywhere that holds either partner legally required to, within reason, fulfill his / her spouse’s sexual needs?

  135. Melissa says:

    @Promise
    What Josh said

  136. Promise says:

    @Josh ;P

  137. ErikTheRed says:

    Oops, brain fart. The two reasons given above were the same reaosn.

    Reason #2:
    If the relationship ever becomes a long term one, she can have a professional pursuit that she can be proud of and can keep herself busy, instead of getting bored and start sabotaging relationship with me 😉

  138. Josh says:

    @Promise

    Stop communicating with crazies and skip blogging about it here. Thanks

  139. ErikTheRed says:

    Degree is just another asset. For most assets that generate 3k-5k/yr, I would not pay more than 30-50k. (Yes I can consistently generate more than 10% on the bulk of my holdings.) Now, that 10% return requirement is for enterprise without requiring much of my time and attention. If I have to study for it 10 hours a week, the return has to be much higher; i.e. the purchase price has to be much lower. That’s why it makes no sense for me to get into any degree program. Other people may well have very different opportunity cost.

    I’m willing to sponsor an SB’s degree program for two reasons:

    1. Her opportunity cost for her time may indeed be low or even negative (see below)

    2. Helping her personal pride and keep her out of bad company. The actual statistical opportunity cost for a young woman in her early 20’s may well be only a few hundred dollars, especially if her alternative use of time is hanging out with losers and using drugs (negative opportunity cost). However, offering a few hundred would be insulting, while offering several thousand may lead to her financing of drugs for the bad company. The school and degree program serve as a set of golden handcuff for her own good in the long run.

    To be honest, if I can find a really smart SB with real drive, I’d rather finance her business ideas.

  140. Promise says:

    Also if you’re vegan, like chicken nuggets, or have a peanut allergy he doesn’t like you.

  141. Jj says:

    Dom…* if you really believe that bullshyiet… I have some land here in South Florida you really really need to take a look at!!!! just say’n….

  142. Promise says:

    Can’t believe I’m still talking to this dude that’s mad that I don’t like raw eggs.

  143. ErikTheRed says:

    Inflation would only further accentuate the previous conclusion: monetary inflation is not a random event; every instance of new money creation is monetary injection into a specific sector / specific enterprise. Inflation has a long track record of benefiting the rich far more than the poor because the former has far higher percentage of asset in capital assets whereas the latter spend far more on consumables. The real life experience seems to indicate that the past 4 decades of inflation has accrued almost the entire societal productivity increase to the top 1% and top 10%, leaving near – zero to the next 50%, and worse than zero for the rest. If future inflation is to be taken into account, that would be all the more reason to hitch one’s wagon to the top 1% or top 10: his future income and support payment is far more likely to be able to keep up with inflation than someone making only median income would be able to.

  144. DominantSB says:

    @Jj actualy the dollar is back up in recent years. Inflation is inevitable but the standard of living for millenials is low due to the recession. They are the hardest hit.

  145. DominantSB says:

    Here is also why I think monthly payments (paid weekly or biweekly on an agreed upon date) is quintessential vs the pay-per-date for both parties.
    1:steady influx of income on predictable days lessens unnecessary communication between both parties (especially relating to money which is a bit tacky ergo should be brought up by the SD rather than the SB). That way once that “less than comfortable” conversation is out of the way you can focus on what’s REALLY important, having fun!
    2- propensity of wealth aside, having a weekly payment of 1k goes a lot further than unpredictable $500 per date payments. Less stress on baby means less stress on daddy, it’s a win win scenario where there doesn’t have to be allocated time slots because she’s worried about where and when she’s going to get her next payment. I have exact dates I pay my programmer so we can focus on work rather than fret about work vs pay. I paid more than intended but it’s worth it for the knowledge and piece of mind in the end. “You get what you pay for” is true. The more you invest in your baby, the more she’ll invest in you and if all of her bills are being paid due to steady cashflow, she has more playtime with daddy rather than having to fit him into her schedule with her 2 other daddies.
    3- It is just easier and simpler especially if you hit it off with someone (and you KNOW if you hit it off with someone within the first two dates). I think this simplifies things a great deal and makes it feel more natural and less transactionary.
    4- Honesty and generosity begets honesty and kindness. It’s a sure fire formula.

  146. DarkHorseSD says:

    “You very seldom see foreign students wasting their time on politically correct majors”

    Biased sample. They are escaping the horseshit that would keep them in a cafe into their mid-30s like their peers.

  147. Jj says:

    Erik, you forgo the idea of ‘monetary inflation’ in your hypothesizes… just say’n… a mulliun is not a mullion of yesteryear!!!!

  148. DominantSB says:

    I like @ErikTheRed, he’s a numbers guy and explains why sugar relationships are great for college age women when the chemistry is there. Well stated! :)
    Hopefully men understand the practicality of it rather than be terribly guarded on this journey. It’s a rainy Monday for me but hope everyone’s disposition is sunny! :)

  149. Promise says:

    @Sexy The SB Masterpost that you reblogged.

  150. LadyScarlett says:

    flyr, I do not know why anyone would want a masters in contemporary feminism, unless they are teaching a college course, in Cali, but is teaching business or maths a politically correct degree now? The difference in having a masters from undergrad, in my state is about a $3,000-$5,000 pay raise, per year. It is not much, but something..It increases a bit more, with a PhD.

    In certain other countries, teaching is a bit more respected as a career and not just a low paying job. And, education in general..some public school districts in US will lay off teachers, and cut certain programs that were business related, instead of overpaid administrators, when the budget is tight, then have issues of classroom overcrowding where there are not even enough desks..In the country overseas I taught, they focused more in business courses as a career pathway, which was more beneficial to the student wishing to focus on that at Uni.

  151. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    What are you talking about?

  152. flyR says:

    “““In the US, or at least in many states, advanced degrees are rewarded with higher salaries for teachers and administrators, so, yes, the financial gains aspect might be part of it, and is a plausible explanation in my opinion”

    You can see the impact in many very liberal college towns . The young woman with a masters in contemporary feminism is at the head of the line asking me if I want nonfat or regular in my latte,

    You very seldom see foreign students wasting their time on politically correct majors unless they are young revolutionaries wanting to go back home and lead from the rear. Most are in engineering, medicine, business, sciences etc.

    The culture shock of going from ultra political correctness to fundamentalist Muslim is yet to be felt on this side of the pond.

    FD is right – The financial future for many docs is pretty grim. One of the missions of Obama care was to neuter the political power of physicians who typically supported conservative causes. I see more and more of the really good doctors simply restricting their practices to cash patients. Others offer a concierge service where you pay an annual fee for a package of benefits (phone answered, rapid appointment scheduling , etc) Reminds me of the old Soviet Uniion saying ” they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work”

  153. ErikTheRed says:

    LOL! Yes, the numbers are illustrating the importance of locking down “other people’s money”: a $2000-4000/mo child support for 20 years would increase the median life time income by 50-100%! A $1M divorce settlement would also double a median life time income. Neither incur taxation, like wages would.

    The importance of working for realistic goals instead of wasting the best years on losers while waiting for the Billionaire Prince riding on white unicorn pooping skittles 😉

  154. MissLady says:

    Hmmm 33 billionaires here, but I didn’t filter out the women. Even one 31 year old outlier

  155. Josh says:

    Princess are always “tryen” new things with OPM.

  156. Josh says:

    @Erik

    Princess don’t worry about insignificant things like money. 😉

  157. KennaKenna says:

    Hope everyone had a great weekend!

  158. ErikTheRed says:

    In the US, nearly half the entire population over the age of 15 have less individual income than $25k/yr. Think that for a moment. It means nearly half the population have total life time earnings less than $1M per person per life! Before counting divorce settlement or child support.

  159. Promise says:

    Just realized I put on my panties inside out last night. T-T

  160. Promise says:

    @Sexy and @Josh Read the part that mentioned profiles. Learned that I’m most likely a “Lolita SB”.

  161. Promise says:

    There’s my favorite gravatar. :)

  162. LadyScarlett says:

    ““In the US, or at least in many states, advanced degrees are rewarded with higher salaries for teachers and administrators, so, yes, the financial gains aspect might be part of it, and is a plausible explanation in my opinion”

    Generally to teach you need to complete a 1 year program after a BA/BS. You do not need a doctorate to teach children. Even if she had stayed in school for higher degrees, its not impossible to date in college, in fact the place is one of the best places to date out there. Outside of challenging programs like medicine and law school there is no reason not to date.’

    @vitesse, I am not going to address most of what you address to me, as most of it is rude and meant to be insulting(you seem to have an issue with me, so fair enough). However, you lost my point…my point was there is financial and advancement incentive to get advanced degrees for teaching, in some cases…I used to teach college and high school, as well as A-levels overseas. Overseas, advanced degrees were not rewarded as much with financial gains, but in US they are. It helps if you want to advance into administration, too. This is not the case as much overseas, since Principals and higher level administration are often brought in from the corporate world, especially, if the school is not performing well. Also, in US, teaching is not viewed as a respectable career choice as much as it is in other countries, which is why it is not surprising, when it is often looked down upon by others(often, due to what they earn).

    I do not really care to argue if someone’s medical degree, or law degree left them less time to date than a teaching degree, or someone who is teaching while going back to school.. That is irrelevant and probably pretty obvious if you are only basing it on the degree alone, but will say unless you have actually taught school, you have no idea how many nights one stays up making lesson plans, and grading, plus going to school(and, the financial pay is not that great, so one must really love to teach to justify the work). Besides, I did not read where this woman did not date in college, but was making a point that there is a financial incentive to get an advanced degree.

  163. KeKe says:

    500K in debt. Jeez!

  164. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    I don’t like the Islamics marketing. Im just showing the future result of feminism, particularly in Europe.

  165. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    My stock discussion wasn’t real tips but to see if anyone can have an educated discussion on the topic int his blog lol.

    Fortunately I have no debt and a significant amount of assets due to a trust with parents.

    However, I am looking at the MBA due to the cost/benefit analysis of switching. The concerns for lowered salaries under Obamacare without any tort reform, considering people attempting to go after personal assets, is one of the major reasons I am looking at the MBA.

    @Gentleman

    I sometimes have medical students rotate through my office. This one female med student is going into primary medicine. She has 500K in debt and is getting an MPH.

    She will likely have to get some neurosurgeon to marry so that she can stop working and have him pay off her 700 to 800K debt after she graduates from residency.

  166. flyR says:

    @ darkhorse ” miss the married income tax deal a worthless spouse brings. It’s the only thing I miss about being married, but I miss it. ”

    That’s like missing a Yugo because you could deduct the towing bills.

  167. SouthernSB says:

    There are only 7 male billionaires in the state of Georgia. That is pretty slim pickings for any woman with an agenda.

  168. Promise says:

    Some guy got genuinely mad at me for saying I don’t like raw eggs.

  169. Promise says:

    Poor Dark.

  170. DarkHorseSD says:

    I miss the married income tax deal a worthless spouse brings. It’s the only thing I miss about being married, but I miss it. 😛

  171. KeKe says:

    @MissLady…you must have stayed in the loop. Because Madison outside of the downtown/UIC med center area is straight hood! Lol

  172. Promise says:

    Happy Memorial Day!

  173. Josh says:

    @gentleman

    I don’t know about the future but medical specialists still make serious money. General practitioners definitely don’t.

    The point I was making was that a professional, such as, doctor is a great candidate to extract alimony from.

    Due to the nature of the profession, it would be very difficult to work off books, work under the radar or skip country and practice his profession.

  174. gentleman soul says:

    @FunDude also asks for stock advice on this blog. So I don’t really know why exactly he is going for an MBA.

    Who knows ? I used him to make a point in general ,not about him personally. Hopefully he is the exception rather than the rule . The Wall Street Journal had an article about the top Medicare payments tp Physicians and the top guy was a Cardiologist who made something like $24 Million that year in question running a medicare mill. An Opthalmologist was second in the $20 Mill zone . So older Docs who own/run a large practice catering to Medicare/Medicaid can bank some buck . Docs now are not scoring that kind of dough .Most are marrying other MDs and living off their dual incomes .

  175. Josh says:

    @gentleman

    @FunDude also asks for stock advice on this blog. So I don’t really know why exactly he is going for an MBA.

  176. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    Hmmm, you seem pretty impressed with fundamentalist Muslim marketing.

  177. gentleman soul says:

    @Vitesse

    Really rich usually marries really rich.

    The take home message with this from the”rich” POV is do not ever marry down financially .This applies to SDs out there who are in the $1 million/$200K range as well. Most highly successful men do and end up dividing their assets and income when the inevitable(almost) end comes . Date young beautiful women ,have an arrangement ,but never sign that certificate. If you have an equal and the end comes ,you both part with with your ass(ets) intact.

    @Josh
    @FunDude is much younger than I am, belongs to a profession, which is a magnet for gold-diggers…
    Medicine still has some panache to the uninitiated ,but those in the know realize that a life of wealth is no longer a given. A Doctor graduates from Med School/Residency 10 yrs after his peers in other professions ,with $300 K debt,looking to a career making $250,000. This is not a prescription for a life of ease . Also ,Docs work their asses off at all hours of the days and nights for what amounts to $10 /hour. Why do you think @FunDude is going for an MBA ?

  178. MissLady says:

    @keke visited a time or two and used to date someone that lived there

  179. FunDude says:

    These boys are very ready and willing to end feminism:

    {{https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=41&v=sxaKacEJ43Y}}

  180. Gi11ette says:

    Never done this blog thing…

    I’m nosy, how are you able to look at each other’s profiles?

  181. HoToTrot says:

    *meant to add: and they don’t attack me. It’s a respect thing.

  182. HoToTrot says:

    I have been in relationships with married men. I have dear friends who have refused to talk to me about said relationships. I respect their position and continue doing what I do. We all have our reasons, but I wouldn’t belittle them for that.

  183. HoToTrot says:

    Just read the blog. Not cool @Sexy. Obviously she @Uncommon hit a place of insecurity. Shoulda just let it go and stand strong in YOUR truth.

  184. Nico says:

    Just read the blog. Not cool @Sexy. Obviously she @Uncommon hit a place of insecurity.

  185. sugarNspice says:

    Sorry perhaps is the wrong thread…I remember a few months back one of the girls was giving advice on improving profiles and I was wondering if someone could point me to her…cool rockstar woman with solid experience..

  186. UncommonSB says:

    @Flyr “Can not recommend Krav Maga too highly especially for women. Great equalizer and fantastic workout. Most dojos are a great break from the narcistic clubs”

    I’ll look into it, see if there’s a dojo within a 10 min drive. I know others who practice Krav Maga and also recommend it highly. On a side note, gi is definitely not the sexiest workout gear, but it sure is functional for sparring. Haven’t stepped foot in a club since I opted not to renew my LA Fitness membership in 2011. I have more fun mixing it up with fitness boot camps, martial arts, pilates, HIT runs around my neighborhood, and various DVDs. My schedule is chaotic, so figuring out ways to incorporate things randomly works best. Right now I’m on my 2nd week of this round of P90X. Have completed it three other times over the past five years, and it’s hard for the first few weeks each and every time… hard like “holy sh*t, I have to pause this half way through, try not to not puke, and talk myself into making it through” hard. Always get results though :)

  187. KeKe says:

    @MissLady…What do you know about the chi? :-)

  188. Josh says:

    @Sexy

    Good luck with the new gig. :)

  189. Flyr says:

    @uncommon. Can not recommend Krav Maga too highly especially for women. Great equalizer and fantastic workout. Most dojos are a great break from the narcistic clubs

    A woman does not need to win only to discourage, gain space or time

  190. MissLady says:

    @uncommon, I just can’t do MMA have never been able to enjoy it, guess it’s a tad bit too brutal for my tastes, but I can watch boxing lol

  191. UncommonSB says:

    @MissLady I love MMA and boxing. I’ve taken extended classes in various disciplines of martial arts over the years, from self defense classes to Brazilian jujitsu to kickboxing to Filipino Kali weapons training, because I think it’s awesome and a functional option for fitness training. Not only do I appreciate the commitment that it takes to excel and compete, but it has definitely instilled a calm confidence when dealing with conflicts and threats in all areas of my life. I can let a lot of things slide, but if you physically touch me in an offensive way, it will likely end badly for you if I’m put in a position of having to defend myself. Knowing that I can ‘go there’ when forced to do so, makes idle threats feel less threatening.

  192. MissLady says:

    Hope you nail open mic

  193. MissLady says:

    Back to sugar
    So he tells me whatever my heart desires, right now it’s desiring some tickets to the mayweather vs pacquiao fight, he manages that when they go on sale and I will be a happy sb

  194. sexyrockstar says:

    Speaking of city….

    @keke
    Come to my open mic tomorrow.
    I’m working on new material.
    North side :*

  195. sexyrockstar says:

    Btw. I said you’re sounding crazy and bitter.

    You had said not nice things about married SDs. A few blog SDs are married, kekes married, and my SD is married.

    I’m not into blog drama. It’s over.

  196. MissLady says:

    @sexy that was a south side Chicago move, be more Madison ave lol. Her opinion is/was no worse that the fat comments (anyone over a size 10), the old hags, or myriad other distasteful stuff. You’re usually more hospitable loo

  197. BethSB says:

    So, a Japanese scientist is now making artificial meat from human feces.

  198. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke At the end of the day, I just would never consider trying to very personally shame or pick on someone for having a different opinion than mine. This is coming from someone who has called me crazy, bitter, etc.. and yet I’ve directed absolutely nothing similar in return. All because I stated that I don’t cheat, why I don’t cheat, and don’t want to date anyone who does. Whatever.

  199. sexyrockstar says:

    It’s really nothing bad. It’s not like it was

    THIS GIRL IS A BITCH, GO ATTACK HER.

  200. KeKe says:

    Okay I’m going to agree with Uncommon on this. You must have wrote that blog while you were still very heated because I feel using her name is beneath you. I haven’t read it ( but oh I will ) but I’m thinking you could have made your point without using het name. Just…damn. lol

  201. sexyrockstar says:

    Yeah, that I’m more blunt and you (odd being a DOM) beat around the bush.

    You instead politely attack.

    That’s all.

    I’m done with disagreeing with you

  202. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar The only lesson you’ve taught me, is that we tolerate and treat others who disagree with us entirely differently.

  203. KeKe says:

    @Sexy… but her name though. Hahaha…

  204. DominantSB says:

    @EriktheRed bingo, way to simplify things. The simpler the better. By the way, do you know that moment when you’re finally going to have some “special alone time” and your programmer skype calls to talk business? Yea…that just happened. :( Can’t win…the moment is lost.
    Goodnight world, I’m going to curl in a ball now and concoct an experiment revolving sonoluminecsence since that’s about as much gratification as I can offer myself in between work, LOL.
    Hope everyone had a happy weekend! Mine was fun, game of truth or dare had me smearing a banana in my hair (don’t ask).
    Ciao for now! xoxox :)

  205. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    Nah. If they really wanted to, they’d come on here, found what I posted and then called her out.

    I actually gotten two “fan mails” saying thanks for that post.

  206. KeKe says:

    ROFLMAO…like seriously! #DEAD…I can’t. Ya’ll about to make me change my gravator.

  207. Promise says:

    @KeKe Oh yeah! XD

  208. sexyrockstar says:

    @uncommon
    Please, don’t flatter yourself too much.

    There’s a valid lesson in my post there. There are girls who enjoy being a sugar baby, yet get hate mail on tumblr.

    What if someone was constantly trying to beat you down for your kink? A lot of these girls are young.

    Now, both you and I have strong personalities and would tell our haters to go fuck off.

    It’s a lesson in the content of our disagreement. That’s all.

  209. KeKe says:

    Wait…we using names. .DAMN. LOL

  210. KeKe says:

    @Uncommon…I would guess the blog is about a general attitude people have…I can’t imagine Sexy would care enough about an individual who doesn’t feed, f#ck or pay her bills to devote a post just for them. Lol. I mean most of what anyone writes comes from personal experience anyway. So if you did inspire her consider yourself a muse os7 sorts. :-)

  211. MissLady says:

    lol @keke

  212. Promise says:

    @Sexy I feel you should have at least censored her name before people start coming on here just to harass her.

  213. KeKe says:

    You previously said “oh, it’s like being black” when trying to understand an example or post.

    Only a black person would say that.

  214. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar I inspired you to write a post on tumblr about me? Wow. That’s incredible that you got so fired up about me voicing a different opinion than you have on that topic. Oh well, guess we’ll never be BFFs :)

  215. Josh says:

    Once you read @Sexy’s blog post here what you learnt from it.

  216. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    There was something I reblogged about a sugar baby master post. Go through those links AFTER reading my whole blog

  217. Promise says:

    @KeKe examples please.
    @Sexy I’ll check in out.
    @Josh Thank you for the advice.

  218. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise

    On my tumblr, I have a post about the types of pictures and what not should go in your profile.

    Arocknrollsugarbaby

  219. KeKe says:

    It wasn’t by how you wrote, but what you wrote about would clue someone in. :-)

  220. Josh says:

    @Promise. Go outside in nice sunny days and take a lot of selfies in different clothes. Some of them will be OK to post.

  221. Promise says:

    @KeKe I’ve been called an Oreo before because of the way I talk. Lol

  222. KeKe says:

    @Promise….ALL of us. Lol

  223. Promise says:

    I wonder. How many of you knew I was black before seeing my profile?

  224. VitesseSD says:

    @Erik
    “IMHO, for a member of the 400mil+, if marrying well financially is important, setting the goal at the top 0.2~1% or top 0.003% is much more realistic than the top 0.00003% ;-)”

    Oh, no question of that at all, but even there, her best bet is to try to be in the same circles as billionaires, if she is her odds of landing someone with XX million+ are way higher.

    Its very much a case of going where the fish are.

  225. sexyrockstar says:

    I only help with profiles if they are willing to talk over kik.

    For whatever reason, yahoo on my phone is shitty.

  226. Promise says:

    @Josh Yes. It’s quite sad I know.

  227. Josh says:

    @Promise

    Are you telling me that you don’t have anyone around you with two hands to take your photos outside?

  228. UncommonSB says:

    @Dark “Those SB blogs…they teach you”
    I would recommend that no one takes lessons from SB blogs. That’s like being a cheeseball who regurgitates tired lines and PUA game nonsense. It makes me laugh. Just be yourself, regardless of how popular or unpopular your perspective may be (barring the mask we must all wear with the general public to maintain our livelihood of course). Figure out what you want, lay your cards on the table… and then cross your fingers and remain hopeful that when you ‘think’ you’ve found whatever it is you seek, the people you surround yourself with are also being honest with you.

  229. Josh says:

    TorahCents is very religious though. Wise and witty nonetheless.

  230. Josh says:

    She even raps…

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHVCAAulxUM]

  231. Promise says:

    @Josh Thank you senpai! 😀
    The only rooms in my house with good lighting are the kitchen, and a spare bedroom, but they’re both a mess all over. Also I think I need to find a way to look older because when most people first see me they think I’m 15.

  232. DarkHorseSD says:

    Those SB blogs…they teach you to write “You seem refreshingly real.” when you are thinking ‘I can tell you are my kind of Mangina.’

    Right?

  233. Josh says:

    I found her channel. She is indeed hilarious yet profound.

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlZl9hzhlQE]

  234. ErikTheRed says:

    Top 1% of worldwide would have much lower threshold than top 1% of the US. The High Net Worth Individuals (defined as net worth over $1m excluding primary residence) count is 3.5mil, or almost exactly 1%. Whereas the HNWI count for the world is 12mil, less than 0.2% of world population.

    An intermediate level between HNWI and billionaire club is the Ultra High Net Worth Individual, with cutoff line at $30mil net worth excluding primary home. There are about 200k of those in the world.

    IMHO, for a member of the 400mil+, if marrying well financially is important, setting the goal at the top 0.2~1% or top 0.003% is much more realistic than the top 0.00003% 😉

    Incidentally, while looking up some of those numbers, it just dawned on me that for an 18-24yo, a subsidy of $4000/mo would in itself put the girl among the top 1% for her age group in terms of take-home pay!

  235. UncommonSB says:

    @VitesseSD Interesting contributions. I may not agree with every single statement, but at least they all seem to come from a rational place. Refreshing.

  236. Josh says:

    I love this woman. I could never have been able to concisely articulate my opinion on the “strong woman” bullshit like she did. You go girl!!!

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWU98P_aEI]

  237. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    “I already said I went out on dates with a 31 y/o female recently. Not “randomly” ageist.”

    I read that…and if I recall correctly, you found her to be bitter? If you did, then we agree. The operative phenomenon is bitterness and not age.

    “Also, you don’t care about having children, so its not as big of an issue for you.”

    Reminder…this is a sugar website. 😉

    “If its just for short term relationships, then a well kept, attractive 40 y/o who isn’t crazy might be a decent pick.”

    Again, craziness is the operative phenomenon over age.

  238. flyR says:

    @ sexy —— of course

  239. VitesseSD says:

    @ErikTheRed
    I was talking about the top 1% worldwide, not in america, there’s a huge difference.

  240. VitesseSD says:

    @DarkHorseSD
    “I mean like satisfying the property of superposition and stuff like that.”
    Well if you want to start defining stuff.

  241. VitesseSD says:

    @Erik

    She was in the right circles. If the wife had passed away she might have had a shot. Given long enough he’d have given her a few million. There are possibilities. She’d probably have been in his will.

    “The 400mil+ number came from dividing 7B by 2 then by 7 (average life span 7 decades, worldwide), which is roughly half a billion in each decade for each gender.”
    I did my estimate factoring in the increased pre infant mortality under 15 bubble, and the boomers, but yeah my estimates are off.

    I really dont have the accurate numbers to give you on this, its all ballpark rough estimates, it could be off by a factor of 10 or 100. However even if I’m off by that much, its still way better odds than a lottery.

  242. DarkHorseSD says:

    Not satisfying

  243. Josh says:

    @Promise,

    Checked out your profile. You look beautiful. :)

    You do need photos with better lighting though.

    See if @Sexy can help you with your profile.

  244. Josh says:

    @ErikTheRed

    “Correction: the cutoff line for top 1% income at 50yo is $350/yr or so. The over $1m number is cutoff line for top 0.1% at 50yo.

    Phew!!! you got me for a second there. 😉

  245. Josh says:

    The older women thump their chests for being sexually better than their 20’s selves. YES, I agree that, they may be better for THEMSELVES since they may know what gets them off, but they are NOT sexually better for men.

  246. DarkHorseSD says:

    “VitesseSD says:
    April 19, 2015 at 5:15 pm
    @DarkHorseSD

    I’m not sure you understand the meaning of the phrase ‘non-linear’.”

    I mean like satisfying the property of superposition and stuff like that.

  247. ErikTheRed says:

    Correction: the cutoff line for top 1% income at 50yo is $350/yr or so. The over $1m number is cutoff line for top 0.1% at 50yo.

  248. ss1959 says:

    @Promise, I mean we are located relatively close to each other. I’m in a neighboring town to you, assuming the location on your profile is accurate.

  249. Promise says:

    @Josh “Also, women in teens and twenties are hornier than the older women.”
    Yup! Sexually frustrated 20yo virgin right here. :,)

  250. FunDude says:

    I already said I went out on dates with a 31 y/o female recently. Not “randomly” ageist.

    Also, you don’t care about having children, so its not as big of an issue for you.

    If its just for short term relationships, then a well kept, attractive 40 y/o who isn’t crazy might be a decent pick.

  251. Promise says:

    @ss1959 What do you mean?

  252. Josh says:

    It’s not a matter of being honest of dishonest about it. Everything being equal, would I chose 21, 31 or 41? Definitely 21.

    However, I am not going to randomly diss 31 year-olds and 41-year-olds for trying their luck with men in sugar or real life. And unlike some who have sworn off older women, absent 21 year-old, I would go with 31 year-old if everything is equal between her and the 41 year-old.

    Why go for a younger woman? The less “experience” a woman has with men, less drama she brings to the table. Also, women in teens and twenties are hornier than the older women.

    If that “nuance” is ageism, then sure I am an ageist.

  253. Promise says:

    @Josh I ship you. :3

  254. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    They would approve of you banging 51 y/o fatties and giving them allowances while kissing their asses.

    Good job Josh.

    You really showed me.

  255. ErikTheRed says:

    According to the article on TheAtlantic, the cut off-line in the US for top 1% income for the same age group in the US is about $130k/yr at 30 yo, $250k/yr at 40yo, and just over $1m/yr at 50yo.

  256. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    “The ladies at Jezebel would be proud of you Josh.”

    It does not work that way my friend. The “ladies at Jezebel” would never be “proud” of me. I am too opinionated of a wrong kind. 😉

  257. VitesseSD says:

    @FunDude

    Yeah good for Josh.

    In the mean time, I’ll just keep being honest about what I’m looking for and tell the truth when topics regarding looks, weight and age come along.

  258. ErikTheRed says:

    V.St did not marry a billionaire, nor was she at any time close to marrying a billionaire. Sleeping with a billionaire is a much lower standard than marrying one. She probably would have been better off spent her time trying to marry even a “lowly” 10milnaire than f*cking around with athletes and the ancient.

    There is a lot of overlap between scions of the 1% and being iin the top 10% in looks. These two are not independent variables: due to similar selection already taking place in previous generations (and or nutrition/diet advisors and cosmetic surgery)

    The 400mil+ number came from dividing 7B by 2 then by 7 (average life span 7 decades, worldwide), which is roughly half a billion in each decade for each gender.

    I

  259. ss1959 says:

    @Promise, we’re almost neighbors!

  260. DarkHorseSD says:

    ” To make matters worse, I have a couple of devices with keyboards on them. ”

    Then I guess I can’t count on you for the whole f^ck iOS thing?

  261. VitesseSD says:

    @DarkHorseSD

    I’m not sure you understand the meaning of the phrase ‘non-linear’.

  262. FunDude says:

    Good that you clarified things Josh.

    Im happy you’re not an “ageist, lookist, etc”.

    The ladies at Jezebel would be proud of you Josh.

  263. VitesseSD says:

    @Josh

    You sure you’re not a proxy? You sound pretty female there.

    Just sayin.

  264. FunDude says:

    The religion of peace is teaching lessons to the worshippers of the cross in how to be properly “peaceful”.

    Thank you religion of peace. Hope they explain to me better the terms of jiyza in the future.

    I don’t think the religion of peace is a big fan of feminism either.

    {https://vid.me/I2yU}

  265. Josh says:

    @DarkHorseSD

    “What does ‘cognitively challenged’ mean?”

    Duh!!! ROTFLMAO.

  266. DarkHorseSD says:

    “The math really is inaccurate at these levels. Theres too many variables.”

    Surely there’s a non-linear equation to explain it all?

  267. VitesseSD says:

    Yeah 50 million would probably be a more realistic number, and in certain parts of the world you cant go more than 100 feet without bumping into a man with that kind of money.

    As I said theres too many variables when it comes to a gold digger and a billionaire, but as for men who’d make sure neither she nor her children would have to work a day in their lives? Theres plenty of those.

  268. DarkHorseSD says:

    “For the cognitively challenged bloggers.”

    What does ‘cognitively challenged’ mean?

  269. DarkHorseSD says:

    “sexyrockstar says:
    April 19, 2015 at 5:02 pm
    When discussing allOwance (which this is an arrangement site) obviously the cash/gift aspect is a part of that.

    When the “IM NOT AN ATM” is on their profile, its the equivalent of “no sex, plaontic SDs only” – at 10k a month sugar baby.”

    Do what I do when seeing such a profile from my side. Block the member. Read another profile.

  270. Josh says:

    For the cognitively challenged bloggers.

    @FunDude is not my alter ego. He lives nearly thousand miles away from me. However, since you are cognitively challenged, if you are convinced that @FunDude = @Josh, then please do me a favor. If you have any problem with what @FunDude has written, address it to him, and if you have any problem with what @Josh aka @Guru has to say, then address me. I will respond accordingly.

    @FunDude is much younger than I am, belongs to a profession, which is a magnet for gold-diggers…so his dating realities are much different from mine. More power to him.

    @FunDude is ageist, weightist, lookist, and God knows whatever else “ist.” I am not an ageist, weightist and lookist for the most part. I like all kinds of women, and have been told by at least one of the very intelligent bloggers that my criteria for women’s looks are “questionable”.

    @FunDude is NOT an SD. He is looking for a girlfriend to “potentially” settle down with. I have no interest in settling down with any women. That’s why I am in the sugarbowl.

    @FunDude has problem with giving allowance. I don’t. I don’t believe that a woman needs to be in certain age group, weight group, and a looker of the umpteenth degree before she gets allowance. In my scheme of things, ALL SBs regardless of looks, age, weight, etc., get allowance. The amount depends entirely on what the two parties can agree on.

    @FunDude is too much into men’s rights stuff. I am not. Men should go to hell as far as I am concerned. Why? Because men do all kinds of dumb and dumber things when it comes to pussy. And I am not going to “fight” for dumbos’ rights, which they have been giving up year after year by not fighting against feminists. If you have not noticed, feminists pretty much politically represent the pussy.

    I have dated women of all ages…from 18 all the way to 51 (or was it 53?) Note: The 51 year-old turned out to be just as delusional as 41, 31 or 21 year-olds would be. So I did not continue with her. Also, I like “meatier” women.

    So why the hell I write whatever I write? It is simple…I have one asshole, the side effect of which is that I have a non-stop supply of opinions. To make matters worse, I have a couple of devices with keyboards on them. 😉

  271. DarkHorseSD says:

    “e you get to tell me very explicitly about how you want to fuck me up down and sideways, while I’m supposed to listen and play along…..But as soon as i bring up money, it’s all “Wow, You should want to be with me for me, not my money :(” BRO! I’m 21 and fine AF. why THE FUCK would I want you for you…..WHEN YOU’RE OLD, SMALL DICKED, NARCISSISTIC and ALSO MARRIED. Fuck outta here.”
    Xxxxxx
    Ok, young lady, if you are bringing up money when asked for sexual favors…drum roll to bad news…you are a hooker.

    If you were an SB, you’d be deleting the message thread and answering messages from other guys.

  272. VitesseSD says:

    @FunDude
    “I am lost on your 1:100 ratio for women to get a billionaire. That seems way off, even with the “multiplier” effect.

    Also, don’t most children of billionaires marry other children of billionaires? This would leave out the vast majority of women.

    Really rich usually marries really rich.

    Ergo, the changes are extremely low for a female to marry a billionaire if she isn’t already from that type of family.”

    Part of that 1:100 is coming from the aspect that educated first world women have a better shot generally speaking. People generally marry whoever’s around, and when they share schools, universities, social circles, go to the same events etc, its natural that these ties form. These ties would also form regardless of wealth if a woman stayed in the right circles.

    Female athletes, models, etc do marry into money as well, largely because they’re in the right circles.

    BTW after looking at population statistics I’m seeing that its not 400,000,000+ women in their 20s, its 400,000,000+ PEOPLE in their 20s, cut that in half for women. You also have to divide those numbers again for looks, so 1/10 have the looks to pull it off. So maybe 20,000,000 women have the age, and looks to marry a billionaire. Reducing again for education, you’re looking at a potential pool of 200,000 women. Theres probably about 40k billionaires and male offspring (of whatever generation) in the world. Do the math yourself, it doesnt seem to add up, but its all right there.

    The math really is inaccurate at these levels. Theres too many variables. I will say I doubt theres any SBs on this forum who can name and recognize every billionaire who lives in her city/state (same goes for most people), which makes it harder to land a billionaire doesnt it?

    Its really not impossible at all. Hard, but not impossible. If a woman who looks like Stiviano can do it… (and blow it) well.

  273. sexyrockstar says:

    When discussing allOwance (which this is an arrangement site) obviously the cash/gift aspect is a part of that.

    When the “IM NOT AN ATM” is on their profile, its the equivalent of “no sex, plaontic SDs only” – at 10k a month sugar baby.

  274. FunDude says:

    Another nice video from the religion of peace to teach the “worshippers of the cross” whose boss:

    {{https://vid.me/I2yU}}

  275. DarkHorseSD says:

    ErikTheRed says:
    April 19, 2015 at 4:44 pm
    @Vit

    Agree with you in principle. However the “billionaire” line is too high by an order of magnitude or two. A Billion in today’s dollars can buy a lot of lawyers service to make sure inheritance from parents not coming up as marital asset in case of a divorce. $100mil or $10mil is more than sufficient to take care of the financial aspect of a happy marriage. Even in Mahattan, a person claiming to be a billionaire is more likely a fraud than being honest. Heck, even Donald Trump pretended to be a Billionaire for decades while struggling in and out of bankruptcy courts.
    Xxx
    Well, there’s more than 20 guys in Manhattan spending like billionaires 😉

  276. MissLady says:

    @Dark hmmmm, how to answer that one based on some of the comments throughout these blogs….

    But no, the intent of a SB is not to be a business prostitute, but I guess they have to go by the cues they’re getting from who they’re dealing with.

  277. DarkHorseSD says:

    …F^ck iOS…

    Or are we just teaching women how to be good business prostitutes?

  278. DarkHorseSD says:

    @misslady,sexyRS…how about teaching women not to be stupid enough to blow the real deal by bringing up money, no matter how often they face disappointments with sexual demands (from idiot men who blow a good thing with a great gal doing that) ?

    P.S. F^ck iOS.

  279. DominantSB says:

    For as long as I can remember I have always been attracted to older men, but now I don’t really know, I’m sort of just waiting for an “ah-hah” moment if that makes sense. A part of me wants to say, “just pretend you don’t speak English so we can get this show on the road baby,” *wink wink*. But I do miss sex in the interim, I guess my psych professor was right, sex is a human need, and I thought she was exaggerating.

  280. ErikTheRed says:

    @Vit

    Agree with you in principle. However the “billionaire” line is too high by an order of magnitude or two. A Billion in today’s dollars can buy a lot of lawyers service to make sure inheritance from parents not coming up as marital asset in case of a divorce. $100mil or $10mil is more than sufficient to take care of the financial aspect of a happy marriage. Even in Mahattan, a person claiming to be a billionaire is more likely a fraud than being honest. Heck, even Donald Trump pretended to be a Billionaire for decades while struggling in and out of bankruptcy courts.

  281. DarkHorseSD says:

    ” most just date the nearest loser.”

    I’m ready to volunteer to be the nearest loser.

  282. MissLady says:

    @Sexy @Dominant
    Didn’t have the catfish issue in person when I was looking. Most told on themselves during the chat part, married at x age, divorced for y, would not equal the Z they claimed to be. Most always lied about their age for some reason

  283. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    There are plenty of billionaire daughter’s like there are billionaire sons.

    Often, billionaire daughters are very attractive. Donald Trump’s daughter, Paris Hilton (even though she’s a slut that her grandfather cut off), etc.

    Billionaire children and grandchildren are most likely to marry each other since they go to the same schools, social events, etc.

    Also, since half of the grandchildren are WOMEN, they will necessarily be marrying men NOT other women.

  284. Promise says:

    An interesting lube that’s sold in Japan.[http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/04/18/new-magic-powder-turns-any-liquid-into-flavored-lubricant-also-perfect-for-thickening-up-curry/]

  285. DominantSB says:

    Hahahaha @sexyrockstar. The only times I got catfished they were about 30 years older than they were in their pics but bless their hearts, in their minds I was lucky to have them, by george!

  286. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    I would never dump a wife if she got “old”.

    If I got to marry her when she was young and she produced a group of children for me, then I would expect to have to keep her until death.

    The problem is when the female is already older and expects me to spend all my resources on her like when she was younger.

    Don’t see the benefit in that.

    I see that you agree with that analysis.

  287. sexyrockstar says:

    Thanks love.

    I only slept with men I’m actually attracted to, but I’ve had a few POT dates that totally catfished me. Like I wanted to say “get the FUCK out of here”

    I’ve politely excused myself from catfished dates.

  288. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    I was on the website for a few months looking for some kind of “arrangement”. Just didn’t feel anything longer term was worth it.

    @Vit

    I am lost on your 1:100 ratio for women to get a billionaire. That seems way off, even with the “multiplier” effect.

    Also, don’t most children of billionaires marry other children of billionaires? This would leave out the vast majority of women.

    Examples recently include:

    1) Donald Trumps daughter and Kushner marriage
    2) Clinton’s daughter (Clintons are worth 100s of millions with top political contacts) with the son of a HF manager.

    Really rich usually marries really rich.

    Ergo, the changes are extremely low for a female to marry a billionaire if she isn’t already from that type of family.

  289. DominantSB says:

    By the way when it comes to the money vs sex argument this is outside of my jurisdiction. :( I’m just the “fun girl” who’s waiting for her programmer and had 15 mins to spare.

  290. DominantSB says:

    @Vitesse, shenangigans. I think it’s more about the woman herself than looks in a real SD/ SB relationship that isn’t really short lived. When I see coupled relationships looking for a third the girls are relatively normal looking except for the occasional bombshell.

  291. MissLady says:

    lol @sexy, I’ve read yours too, nice stuff *wink*

  292. sexyrockstar says:

    @miss lady
    I think I reblogged that.
    It’s the truth. Lol.

  293. MissLady says:

    let me put up a disclaimer: this is not intended or directed at any individual!

    I just find it interesting to see all the viewpoints, takes on sugar.

  294. VitesseSD says:

    @sexyrockstar
    “If women are only valuable based on age/looks or whatever, then what’s the deal with women not looking at men if value by their bank account.

    Because, let’s face it. Just like not every man wants to get married, not every female wants to either.

    Why would it be bad if a SB gave everything SD wants. Respect, intimacy, etc. And when it comes to arrangement stuff, all of the sudden men turn into “I’m not just an atm”

    I never would treat a sd that way, but bitch, yes you are. Just like the SB is viewed as a young hot pussy.”

    I came to the conclusion quite a while back that women do want men for their money. Men do want women for sex. It just took me a while to realize that this isn’t bad.

    The critical point is that the person has to want you for more than just that. I don’t want to be just a wallet any more than you want to be just a vagina.

    I don’t think I’d ever leave a woman because she was too old. I cant speak for other guys but I believe they’re the same way. But if I break up with a woman in 10-20 years for whatever reason, I’m not going to go looking for a woman who’s 40. Sorry, not gonna happen.

  295. ErikTheRed says:

    @Sexy,

    Nothing wrong with having a baseline requirement, including one on asset/income level. In face, even for conventional dating, that would be a good idea, perhaps adding a requirement about cap on debt before marriage making debt obligations commingled, for those who can not afford to pay off the new spouse’ debt. Marriage is an arrangement too.

    The complaint about being treated like an ATM machine is not about the need for money, but about the money grabber bot delivering anything in return. Nobody having enjoyed a fabulous dinner at a fancy restaurant complains about being treated like an ATM machine when the bill arrives; paying the bill for high quality service rendered is par for the course 😉

  296. DominantSB says:

    Hi guys *waves hello*
    To be honest I do have a higher than average IQ and as stated before “less compromising” than most. But that is in my personal belief systems, my code and essentially all the things that make me a decent human being. That does take an incredulous measure of strength especially when you’ve heard “you should be a model” several dozen times in your life.
    I think essentially these sugar things should boil down to chemistry. Where both parties feel complete and happy. Whether it’s conversation, outdoor adventure, kink, sex, or just having a travel companion. I think a man will pay if he sees real “value” in you and your friendship. Unless he’s like my bestie who is trying to teach me the perils of not choosing to be the stepford wife, teehee.
    But you know when I need him most, just to listen he’s there so though he lives in a 10 million dollar mansion, I don’t feel he owes me anything. He gave me a shot and I decided it wasn’t for me.

  297. MissLady says:

    strolling through tumblr:

    SB Problems….

    How come you get to tell me very explicitly about how you want to fuck me up down and sideways, while I’m supposed to listen and play along…..But as soon as i bring up money, it’s all “Wow, You should want to be with me for me, not my money :(” BRO! I’m 21 and fine AF. why THE FUCK would I want you for you…..WHEN YOU’RE OLD, SMALL DICKED, NARCISSISTIC and ALSO MARRIED. Fuck outta here.

  298. Josh says:

    Before people get their panties in the bunch, realize that @FunDude is NOT an SD.

    He just likes to post on the blog like many other non-SDs do. The only difference is that the rest of the non-SDs were active SDs in the past.

  299. VitesseSD says:

    @Erik

    A few points. Its not less than 2000 billionaires, not by a long shot.
    I’d estimate 5-10x that.

    Also for every 60+ or married billionaire they probably some have children the right age to get married. These are not counted as billionaires also, and act as a multiplier (Say 3+ kids on average being conservative, so (1 for the parent + 3 kids), yes half are female but count grandchildren, so a minimum 4x multiplier.)

    You’re also looking at this like its some sort of lottery. Every woman no matter how young or old, attractive or ugly has a shot. By worldwide standards european and NA women are considered attractive. A peasant in africa does not have the same odds.

    The thing I find most annoying about the “Occupy” type protests is those idiots dont get that they are the 1%. Count the rest of the world and they most certainly are among the 1% most educated and wealthiest of the world. Someone from outside that 1% has severely reduced odds of landing a billionaire.

    so lets look at more realistic numbers, 10k billionaires, 4x offspring multiplier.
    40k possible billionaires. For your 400,000,000 women. Apply the 1% filter for education and wealth.
    4 million women.
    You’re now looking at 1:100 if all the women who could qualify tried, most just date the nearest loser.

    No your odds of landing a billionaire are much higher than winning a lottery.

  300. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Why would it be bad if a SB gave everything SD wants. Respect, intimacy, etc. ”

    Nothing, if it happened that way. Then when it doesn’t, men say they aren’t just ATMs.

  301. DarkHorseSD says:

    “If I were a female in my mid 20s up, I’d be trying to marry a billionaire, not be a SB.”

    That’s how you become a female in her late thirties with no one.

    Please, Erik, there are more than 20 billionaires in Manhattan looking to get married to the right woman. In the meantime there are way more than that keeping hot women – including the more than 20 on their way to marriage.

  302. rembodler says:

    @flyr
    I do like your posts and one if them (to do with describing allowance as a part of an arrangement) was a pearl.
    But after reading your last post, I am starting to lean towards the sentiment that was previously expressed here: you are XX…

  303. sexyrockstar says:

    Question:
    If women are only valuable based on age/looks or whatever, then what’s the deal with women not looking at men if value by their bank account.

    Because, let’s face it. Just like not every man wants to get married, not every female wants to either.

    Why would it be bad if a SB gave everything SD wants. Respect, intimacy, etc. And when it comes to arrangement stuff, all of the sudden men turn into “I’m not just an atm”

    I never would treat a sd that way, but bitch, yes you are. Just like the SB is viewed as a young hot pussy.

    There’s always younger hotter women, but there’s always a richer man.

  304. VitesseSD says:

    @FunDude
    “Determination of BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate) usage is through the Harris-Benedict equation. This is often determined in the ICU when writing TPN scripts.

    {{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris–Benedict_equation}}

    This gives you the most accurate measure of total kilocalorie usage throughout the day.

    The rest sounds good”
    Yeah thats the part that was hardest for me to nail down when writing this out. Knowing how many calories someone else needs is not my forte. Thanks :)

    “Make sure you get enough protein to avoid looking like this:

    {{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor}}”

    Its sad that we live in a world where a doctor has to remind people to eat protein.

  305. SugarDiva says:

    I do not feel bad for V. Stiviano! Not only did she lose all her money and gifts from Donald Sterling, but she lost ALL credibility to ANY man she has ANY kind of relationship from this point forward! I have been in a Sugar relationship with a married man before and I still know things about him that I am taking to the grave even though we are no longer together! She may not have liked what he said(I SURE DON’T!)but it was TO HER, not the world! Shelly Sterling is extremely vindictive and I think she should have only gotten HALF of her things back since she owned HALF but NOT anything that was considered a gift!

  306. ErikTheRed says:

    1 in 200,000 if every billionaire is waiting to get married. In reality, I doubt even 20 of the less than 2000 are: the overwhelming majority of the less than 2000 are either 60+, or married already. Of those not yet married, most probably don’t want to get married by that stage of their lives. That makes it 1 in 20,000,000 odds, not a winning strategy :-)

  307. Josh says:

    @SouthernSB

    “@FunDude and @Josh”

    Are you fucking kidding me? If you have issue with @FunDude address him. I you have issue with me then address me. Thank you.

  308. ErikTheRed says:

    Historically men and male animals provide the genetic diversity for evolution to take place, whereas women and female animals did the selecting. Humanity evolved a harsh environment where intelligence carried an evolutionary advantage. If food were always plenty, the women would have selected for something totally whimsical like the big tail of the peacock.

    That being said, although for every generation a far higher percentage of women reproduced than their contemporary men did (due to women’s hypergamy, as evidenced by the common Mitochondrial DNA progenitor “Eve” is more than twice as old as the common Y – chromosome DNA progenitor “Adam”), the presence of other men/males is extremely important to the survival of the species / colony / society, even if they are not reproducing themselves: maintaining and building the society through logical coordination without too much interference from “feelings”! Artificial wombs may indeed spell the end of the need to raise the entire human woman: most women conceived may well be kept in The state of a clump of cells, to be harvested one and a time when fertilization is paid for by someone then implanted into the artificial womb.

  309. DarkHorseSD says:

    @ATM, there are lots of reasons people don’t give a shit. I’d need more info on the situation.

  310. MissLady says:

    lol @ Fat or maybe your SMV wasn’t high enough.

    Passing through to see what’s new in the Sugar World…..nada I see.

  311. FatB'StardSA says:

    @DarkhorseSD

    I don’t remember anyone gave a shit when my 20 year old ex GF was dating me at 30 either. Maybe my GF are too ugly…

  312. DarkHorseSD says:

    “FatB’StardSA says:
    April 19, 2015 at 3:20 pm
    @DarkhorseSD

    Could be. I am happy with the result though.”

    Me too.

  313. FatB'StardSA says:

    @DarkhorseSD

    Could be. I am happy with the result though.

  314. FatB'StardSA says:

    @SouthernSB

    Other than self important bloggers writing about this crap I don’t know where all of this age shaming is taking place. Why do guys on this blog give a shit about some “Margin Trantor” videos is beyond me.

  315. FunDude says:

    Make sure you get enough protein to avoid looking like this:

    {{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor}}

  316. DarkHorseSD says:

    @ATM, that makes your GF too old for anyone to care that she is taken.

  317. FunDude says:

    Determination of BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate) usage is through the Harris-Benedict equation. This is often determined in the ICU when writing TPN scripts.

    {{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris–Benedict_equation}}

    This gives you the most accurate measure of total kilocalorie usage throughout the day.

    The rest sounds good

  318. DarkHorseSD says:

    Erik, it’s 1 in 200,000

  319. SouthernSB says:

    @FunDude and @Josh-we really don’t care!!! Seriously we don’t!! I don’t care if you think that no woman over the age of 25 is worth anything sexually, or if you want to date 22 yrs. old for the rest of your lives. We don’t care if you want everyone over the age of 30 to fall off the face of the planet. I don’t care if you think that every woman who is over the age of 30 is doomed to marry bald, ugly, poor, overweight men with no education. You know what? It isn’t true, and if you two would stop hating on women so much and get control of your oversized heads and over inflated egos, you would see that women start giving women more credit. I for one don’t give two shits what’s going on in the sugarbowl. I don’t care if obese, collage attending women are asking for substantial or even high allowances, I don’t care if 30, 40, 50 or 90 yr. old women are doing the same. It really doesn’t affect my life and in the long run it doesn’t affect yours so why are you two clogging up the board with all this shit? Sugar is suppose to be fun, but the way you two complain you make it sound worse than going to the dentist without Novocaine!! Geez day, after day, after day, the same old crap….give me a break already. This was the board I use to come to when I was sick of the news feeds to have a little fun and cheer myself up. Now I’m spending my time on Tindr looking at ho hauls, because right now looking at their cash and the results of their booty surgeries is way more fun than reading this mess all the time.
    BTW, before you even go there. I am communicating with two different POTS right now, so as usual I am totally messing up the curve.

  320. FatB'StardSA says:

    My GF is 12 years younger than I am. The only age shaming I experienced was my ex SB talking shit about my GF because she was “old and not as sexy as I am” and then “only interested in me for my money” (quite the complaint from a SB).

    Most people don’t give a shit who you are fucking unless it takes money out of their pocket (as was the case with my ex SB).

  321. DarkHorseSD says:

    FunDude says:
    April 19, 2015 at 11:08 am
    @Dark

    That is probably the dumbest statement I have ever heard.

    If anything, with artificial wombs, it will be the extinction of females rather than males.

    Who do you think will invent all the technology and run it? Women?”

    Artificial wombs would add the freedom from carrying the child to the freedom from baring males.

    I’ve previously stated there will be modest numbers of males bred for purposes such as “amusement.” Plenty other reasons we can’t anticipate.

    How many males are running to surrogate females to breed them a child they can raise on their own?

  322. FatB'SardSA says:

    *the closest case of age shaming

  323. ErikTheRed says:

    LOL! There are less than 2000 billionaires in the world, which also has 400,000,000+ women in their 20’s, that is 1 for 2,000,000 ratio! Before we exclude 90+% of the 2000 who are probably either over 60 years old or married or have no intention of marrying. Good luck landing one of the few dozen most eligible bachelor’s in the world. A lottery ticket has better odds :-)

  324. FatB'SardSA says:

    My GF is 12 years younger than I am. The closest case of she shaming I experienced was my ex SB talking shit about my GF because she was “old and not as sexy as I am” and then “only interested in me for my money” (quite the complaint from a SB).

    Most people don’t give a shit who you are fucking unless it takes money out of their pocket (as was the case with my ex SB).

  325. DarkHorseSD says:

    They are women. Unnecessary comes with.

  326. VitesseSD says:

    @DarkHorseSD
    “older women end up spending so much time in the gym that they gave zero time to date”

    Maybe some do but its unnecessary.

  327. VitesseSD says:

    @All
    @FunDude would you mind giving your thoughts on this?

    For those of you wondering what I do for weight loss, while I could write a book explaining all the hows and whys, I’ll give you the details of a good diet you can go with.

    Step 1 Figure out how many calories a day you need

    For an average man that’s 2000 to 1800. Subtract 200 =1600 Calories a day.
    Go to a caloric requirement tool, find your maintenance requirements for your desired weight given your height/gender and subtract 200

    Step 2 Eat these calories from foods that have a low glycemic index.

    The short version of that is:
    Meat: Good
    Fatty Meat: Good
    Cheese: Good
    Fruit: Good
    Starchy Veggies: Bad (Think potatoes, carrots, corn)
    All other Veggies: Good
    Sugar: Bad
    Flour: Not Good (small amounts are unavoidable in modern diets. Don’t eat a whole pizza.)
    For health reasons feel free to exclude fried foods etc, but you do not need to exclude them for weight loss reasons, they will however chew up your calories fast.

    Step 3 Eat all your meals for a day within a 6-8 hour time-frame.

    Lunch at noon, Supper between 6-8. No food or beverages other than water at other times. Anything else (snacks/drinks) between noon and 8 is fine.

    Odds are you will feel hungry once a day for a brief period before lunch, drink a bottle of water, it’ll go away. If you like to drink a stimulant in the morning, learn to love it without cream and sugar.

    No heavy workouts ever, no workouts in the morning.

    Do this and weight will fly off you. When you get to your ideal weight up your daily calories to your maintenance calories (keep adding calories until your weight becomes stable at your desired weight).

  328. DarkHorseSD says:

    VitSD, what about what I said isn’t true?

  329. DarkHorseSD says:

    I’ve had SBs texting me “How was your weekend?” Since last night…ITS NOT FUCKING OVER YET!!!

  330. Josh says:

    @VitesseSD

    “If I were a female in my mid 20s up, I’d be trying to marry a billionaire, not be a SB.”

    Shhhhh!!!

    “Being realistic, maintaining weight is 99% diet 1% physical.”

    Correct.

  331. Josh says:

    @sexyrockstar

    “It’s like how when couples fight, once it’s worked out, the woman should never bring it up again when they have their next disagreement”

    Totally agree…

    However, how many women do you know what do just that?

  332. VitesseSD says:

    @DarkHorseSD
    “the older women end up spending so much time in the gym that they gave zero time to date.”

    Not true at all.

    Being realistic, maintaining weight is 99% diet 1% physical.

    When I was bodybuilding and I’d start a cutting phase I’d always reduce what I was lifting by about 50%. I’d do cardio, but no more than 3 times a week, 45 minutes each time, with reasonably low intensity.

    If you’re dieting properly to lose weight, your body does not have the nutrition to heal itself through all the minor injuries you constantly get from working out. It becomes very very easy to injure yourself. Sitting on your ass is better than going for a run, getting an injury because you’re weak, and needing to stop your diet to heal properly.

    For someone just focusing on maintaining their weight, I cant imagine needing more than an hour and a half a day of training. for someone trying to lose weight, I would think 2.5-3 hours of cardio in 45 minute chunks would do it

  333. VitesseSD says:

    @sexyrockstar
    “Dude. You guys make me want to kill myself.
    I’ll be 26 this year. Omfg.
    I only have a few months in sugar left. Holy damn.”

    You can do it until whatever age you stop getting good money for it really.

    But be real, every time you switch guys you’ll be older and you’ll get less on average, and at some point you will be too old to get married to a wealthy guy. Since you’re a woman you’d be losing out on being on the winning side of the biggest scam in history. The sugar would be over by then too.

    If I were a female in my mid 20s up, I’d be trying to marry a billionaire, not be a SB.

  334. sexyrockstar says:

    @flyr
    Would you spoil me once I hit 30? I promise I’ll still look beautiful and rock your world.
    @fundude stopped being my sugar daddy years ago.

  335. sexyrockstar says:

    Doesn’t matter if you’re male or female. Young or old.

    Being negative in about past relationships and bringing it to new ones, is annoying to the other person.

    I wouldn’t want a “broken” partner. I shouldn’t have to feel I need to fix them. I want someone who will want to focus on what they have vs. Dwell on the past.

    It’s like how when couples fight, once it’s worked out, the woman should never bring it up again when they have their next disagreement

  336. DarkHorseSD says:

    @GP – great, so in 100 years women will walk their male human pets they breed so the pets will keep wanting to hump their legs.

  337. FunDude says:

    Intelligent Black Woman discusses why men avoid “strong” women:

    {{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWU98P_aEI}}

    @FLYR

    Possibly but I doubt it. I see many older ladies on SA as well.

    The number of highly attractive, non crazy women in their early to mid 20s are quite finite in supply.

  338. DarkHorseSD says:

    “LA’s westside is filled with very undesirable women with what would be considered to be great bodies and faces. Underneath there’s a high pressure vessel filled with toxic substances.”

    FlyR you do have your moments. You had another earlier, but not being a woman I can’t remember it offhand.

  339. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Dark
    Haven’t you seen the newest thing?
    Pedometer, take 12k steps a day, lose 100 lbs in <3 mos. LOL More time for the guys.

  340. flyR says:

    “””So you are honestly arguing that men aren’t more biologically attracted to women in their 20s rather than 30s (with all things being equal)?”

    Not at all . What I am saying

    a) There is pretty strong evidence that great women over 35 can be VERY successful here

    b) The “market value” may not reflect biological attraction because there is an excess of supply at the lower age group.

    If 2/3 rd s of the population prefers red wine and the prices reflect the preference over white the relationship can change if the is a bumper crop of red wine grapes around the world, a change in exchange rates with Aus and Chile etc. Reds may be cheaper

    The most essential thing in the world to you is the next breath of air. But you don’t pay anything because the supply appears endless.

  341. DarkHorseSD says:

    @vit the older women end up spending so much time in the gym that they gave zero time to date.

  342. sexyrockstar says:

    (Starts singing)
    Cannnnn
    Anybodyyyyy find me meeee
    Somebody tttoooo love.

    (drum beat/piano beat with hands)

    Ooohhhhhh

  343. sexyrockstar says:

    I’m so glad I’m smart.

    Someone out there will love me.

  344. FunDude says:

    @FlyR

    So you are honestly arguing that men aren’t more biologically attracted to women in their 20s rather than 30s (with all things being equal)?

    Why do all of the studies refute your argument.

    The SBs in their mid to late 30s can still be successful with guys 15 to 20 years older than them if they:

    1) Keep in good shape
    2) Have a good attitude towards men

    How often is that?

  345. flyR says:

    @ Sexy – not to worry but please don’t leave before Joshie puts up the cash……. you’ll be the the one called to judge

  346. flyR says:

    @ FD

    At the risk of stirring up trouble in the over 30 SB ranks I think on of the major differences between 22 and say 37 is that many of the 37 yo are single and looking because they were in relationships which crashed for any number of reasons. What’s not on the market are the 35 YO who take great care of themselves and are great partners (often better than their mate) .

    For me one of the turnoffs of older is the high % carrying the poison of prior unsuccessful relationships rather than the condition of their bodies. LA’s westside is filled with very undesirable women with what would be considered to be great bodies and faces. Underneath there’s a high pressure vessel filled with toxic substances.

    Having said that there are also a substantial number of 35 yo , knock your socks off beautiful, sexy and fun to be with women on SA although most leave this blog shortly due to the toxic conversation their success in the sugar bowl.

    What baffles me is why there is such an obsession here denigrating women’s chances of success here based on their age without any other knowledge. My perception from having used SA for some time and having started sugar outside of any organized venue is that due to market conditions (the oversupply of 18-23 YO s) has substantially depressed allowances among that group. The difference between actual and theoretical values may be reflective of being in an area with a large number of college students at many schools.

  347. Josh says:

    The real question to ask is as to why @flyR and @FlyGirl are posting as men?

  348. Promise says:

    @FunDude good news for me. 😉

  349. sexyrockstar says:

    Dude. You guys make me want to kill myself.

    I’ll be 26 this year. Omfg.

    I only have a few months in sugar left. Holy damn.

  350. Josh says:

    I have no clue what @flyR is talking about. Only a women would remember what insignificant something happened 10,000 of my posts plus tens of thousands of other bloggers’ posts ago.

  351. FunDude says:

    Correction: I was very happy.

  352. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    Great analysis.

    Also, I have NO benefit in starting a fight with the 36 y/o and truly hope she doesn’t start in with shaming language about our age difference.

    But I am a realist who can tell there is a GOOD chance she will attempt this if given the opportunity.

    I have no need to “shame” her or fight with her. There is no benefit to this. I am also not jealous of her or angry that she is dating a 30 y/o guy.

    I am very happy the 30 y/o guy is dating her at 36 y/o.

    She is the one giving off the vibe she wasn’t really happy about her situation. She seemed to have a frown on her face and left early with her boyfriend.

    I am VERY happy that night and showed it. I stayed out until 2:30am or so.

  353. FunDude says:

    Another article confirming my comments that men of ALL ages prefer women in the 20-25 age bracket.

    {{http://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10}}

  354. VitesseSD says:

    @LadyScarlett
    “‘appeared’ to be? Hmm, interesting fact based and scientific assessment of her, or you are just too intuitive for your own good”
    Well, try this experiment.

    Go stand in front of a baby. Glower at the baby. The baby will start crying. The baby seems to understand upset quite well. It appears to the baby that you are upset.

    “She was definitely upset and wanted to limit the market for the successful guys in their 30s to force them to date women in their 30s.
    (oh, so she went from, ‘appeared to be upset’ to ‘definitely upset’, by her facial expressions…interesting!…that must be it,”

    Keep glowering at a baby or child, and it will become certain, again its not difficult for any well adjusted human to recognize emotion.

    “And, her hypocrisy was ‘evident’ in her face?”
    I’d call it hypocrisy if she’s with a man 6 years younger than her, but spends her time glaring at him.

    “You do realize that marriage and kids are not everyone’s forte’, right? And, that it is not always the case that it has anything to do being against marriage, just that it is not for everyone.”
    Marriage as a whole is almost universally in a woman’s best interests and almost never in a man’s best interests.

    “it might also be because many people are waiting until later in life to marry”
    Actually, thats just the go to party line to keep women calm about the fact that men are generally refusing to get married.

    “if many more men are waiting until later in life now…then not everyone is going to get paired off by 30, right?”
    Wrong, women get married younger than men. An unmarried woman at age 36 does not have the time left to date men, find an appropriate man, be with him long enough to get to know him and be sure he is suitable, get married, spend a year or two together as the honeymoon phase to create the good memories that’ll hold the couple together for life, before having 2-3 children. That stuff takes time.

    You’d say someone who’d never been to class and didn’t start studying until 5 minutes before an exam was probably going to fail the exam right? Thats a failure. A woman in her mid 30s with no potential husband and no children cannot pull her shit together in time.

    “In the US, or at least in many states, advanced degrees are rewarded with higher salaries for teachers and administrators, so, yes, the financial gains aspect might be part of it, and is a plausible explanation in my opinion”

    Generally to teach you need to complete a 1 year program after a BA/BS. You do not need a doctorate to teach children. Even if she had stayed in school for higher degrees, its not impossible to date in college, in fact the place is one of the best places to date out there. Outside of challenging programs like medicine and law school there is no reason not to date.

    “What person sitting next to a ‘super hot’ 23 year old would even care about the ‘plight’ of this 36 year old woman, or how she came to be in such a ‘settling’ ‘state’? How miserable are you?”
    I doubt he cares beyond being annoyed at being pestered by women like her.

    “I guess I will be called an … angry feminist now”

    Well if the shoe fits.

  355. FunDude says:

    @FLYR

    LOL about calling out Josh. Hope he takes you up on the offer.

    The “chart” is a rough estimate of sexual market value. The data actually shows a peak around 20-23, therefore, it was a little misleading if it is reading 14.

    There is also a difference between sexual market value and marriage market value. That is a whole other discussion that I won’t get into today.

  356. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    Another good post. I just took my 23 y/o to the weight section today. I have been encouraging her to do weights rather than just elliptical and running.

    All the hottest ladies definitely add weights into their workout.

    I also agree with your analysis of sexual market place value. That is why women benefit from marrying YOUNG.

    They definitely SHOULD stay in shape.

    The 40 y/o Medtronic rep from my place was also from the “woods”. She is very hot for 40 and keeps in top shape with nice big fake boobs.

    @Lady

    I only called him “chubby” and “beta” as descriptions to show that she was “settling”.

    Time will tell about my “intuition”. However, her innuendos about age were very obvious to me.

    I have no problem with the 36 y/o as long as she stays friendly and doesn’t attempt to shame the 23 y/o I am dating out of “dating” me.

    I wish her luck and I hope she is truly happy with her dude.

    I hope I am totally wrong in my analysis on her.

  357. flyR says:

    note on the chart

  358. flyR says:

    Vit – Joshie was challenging some of my factual comments some time ago (perhaps 10,000 of his posts ago) I made a genuine offer to have a couple of well respected SB’s here stand in judgement, we would each put up $10K judges get $1 K and winner gets balance. If I won I would donate half to charity. Joshie claimed it was unfair (sounds like a 12 year old for feminist) , Also Josh knows through others that I am what I represent I am .

    Women’s sexual value – I did not read the stuff but did not on the chart that the peak was at about 14 which is probably true if perverts and others obsessed with molesting children are included .

    @ FD – Mid 30s should be a part of your life when your need to add sugar is about at its lifetime minimum, especially with a professional background. Enjoy

  359. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Vit
    Thank you. I appreciate your input and yes, you are right about the weight. I’ve been a “stress” eater on the run for many years, with sadly, excuses to use it. Between taking care of “everyone else” I’ve let me go. After I lost my husb in late 2009, I realized I had to take back “me” and I am working it. It’s just a slow process since I went through the loss of my Mom last June and I’m now dealing with an 86 yr old father who is 400 miles away and an extremely difficult younger, bitchin sister. Ain’t life grand? LOL. Regardless, I know it’s time I took my life back if I want to have a man in it with me. It is funny from what you and Dr Fun have been discussing. When I first started “looking” around, all I wanted to date were guys about 4 to 6 yrs younger than me. My husb was 4 yrs younger, so why not. I quickly learned that men younger than I am now, had no interest, I had to change my way of thinking and take that second look at older men. Funny, these older guys are looking better all the time, even as my weight goes down. LOL. 😉

  360. VitesseSD says:

    @GeorgiaPeach
    “As one of her best friends, I blame this man and his “1970’s arrangement,” because he took advantage of my young friend during a time in her life where she should have been seeing much younger/single men with more of a future.”

    I’d blame him for it too. Its also one of the reasons I’d never have an arrangement with a woman who’s in her ‘last chance to find a man and have children’ years. Its just wrong in my opinion. Its far better to have an arrangement with someone around 20 and make sure its over by 25, its a nice memory for both, no harm done, and she doesn’t have to worry about student loans etc.

    This is unrelated but you’d said:

    “So where oh my are you placing all the females above 30 yrs old? What is “our” place in your new world?”

    I know this wasn’t addressed at me, but I’d like to put my two cents in.

    The idea that a man who is 40 is more desirable than a woman who is 40 is not in and of itself a horrible thing.

    There are a few things to keep in mind here. Older couples often say that when they see the spouse they’re in love with they still remember them on their wedding day etc. There is a huge pile of memories there keeping you in love/lust with the person. If you first laid eyes on someone when they were past their prime, you will never remember them at their most attractive.

    There is not a widespread complaint by women that their husbands don’t want enough sex. The reverse is not true. This means men are sexually attracted to their wives regardless of age (though not regardless of obesity etc).

    If anyone is benefiting from men being more “valuable” at older ages its women who staked their claim and married their man when they were both young, and held on instead of getting a divorce.

    Older unmarried women have to settle. Honestly its not as bad as its made to seem either. Considering how often women are obese compared to men, I’d say at any age looks and obesity matter more than a few years or even a decade. A woman in her 50s 60s is unlikely to get a wealthy man her own age, but if she gets into really good shape, what’d be called the body of a 20 year old for example, she should have no trouble finding a working class man around her age.

    A very large part of why older men retain their value is because they stay in shape, nobody is forcing women away from gyms.

    This woman is 45
    ]http://teamfitbody.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Melissa_Jackson-380×570.jpg[
    BTW, for the record, thats too thin and muscular to be attractive (contests do that regardless of gender), but its still a hell of a lot better than an obese woman, and it proves theres no limit to how in shape a woman can be regardless of age.
    Women need to stop doing yoga and start doing weights and cardio.

  361. Josh says:

    Who’s the troll?

    Those who write coherent sentences or those who stir shit just because they can?

  362. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Vit
    I’m with you. It takes 2 to cheat and either sex can be guilty. I’ve seen both but the one what hit me the hardest concerned one of my best friends.

    She went through a very long relationship, in what today would be termed today as an “arrangement.” He was multi-million “wealthy,” well-known in the small farm community, as was his wife. Yet, he chose to take up with my girlfriend who was almost 25 yrs younger than he. She fell hard for him and lost sight of the “no potential for a future with him.” She knew he would never divorce his wife – he had far too much to lose, and yet, she hung on to him, never dating anyone else, for the entire time of her “younger” years.

    He did provide for her as much as he could get away with ($$, gifts, etc.) but he broke her heart and her future. She couldn’t let go and see the world for what he was doing to her. As they all aged, he found himself with a “disease” and ended in a nursing home, at age 85 or so. My friend continued to sneak in to see him, trying not to get caught, though it’s likely others knew of their affair.

    I learned to despise that man for what he did to my friend. Of course she could have removed herself from him, but by then, he had her so wrapped up in their “what could be,” she couldn’t let go. Now at age 66, her life is a mess. She never married nor had children. She recently had a nervous breakdown and has been on a “suicide watch” by her family and closest friends. Her “special friend” you ask? After his wife realized how costly the nursing home was, it was decided that more $$ could be available if he was cared for at home. He died a couple years ago. Wife got everything.

    My friend had no idea what she was getting into at about age 22 and by the time she realized how far she was into this guy, it was too late for her. So, who do I blame for all this? As one of her best friends, I blame this man and his “1970’s arrangement,” because he took advantage of my young friend during a time in her life where she should have been seeing much younger/single men with more of a future. He didn’t provide her with the things the gentlemen (like ONSD et al) discuss here and it was obvious that he didn’t see any future with her, except when she could yank down his pants.

    Damn, I need to write a book. LOL

  363. LadyScarlett says:

    Sorry, know it is not proper thing to ‘feed’ the troll, but am rained in, so I will engage the fundude troll persona for a moment…

    “FunDude says:
    April 19, 2015 at 10:43 am
    The 36 y/o is fine with her dating a guy 6 to 7 years younger than her but she appeared to be quite upset with me dating a female 12 years younger than myself.
    (‘appeared’ to be? Hmm, interesting fact based and scientific assessment of her, or you are just too intuitive for your own good(well done for such a man of logical facts, hehe…especially, considering she was with someone younger than you, so doubt she was ‘too’ upset, if she was upset at all..lol).

    Her hypocrisy was evident in her face. She was definitely upset and wanted to limit the market for the successful guys in their 30s to force them to date women in their 30s.
    (oh, so she went from, ‘appeared to be upset’ to ‘definitely upset’, by her facial expressions…interesting!…that must be it, then 😉 It is always interesting ‘stuff’ to hear someone who trolls the blog daily and tries to ‘force’ everyone to engage in his annoying and boring rants, and always posts dumb anti-feminism articles that no one cares to read, is viewing all these scary little women who are trying to ‘force’ such ‘alpha’ men as yourself to ‘like’ and date them, hahaha…because, you know, ‘forcing’ someone to like you has always worked for like everyone before, like always…hehe).

    And, her hypocrisy was ‘evident’ in her face? are you sure she just didn’t need to find an excuse to disengage conversation with you, as I am sure real life conversation is so much more enjoyable than your blog ‘fun’ personality….or, she could have just needed a bowel movement that you misinterpreted as her disgusted looks towards you 😉

    When I asked the 23 y/o female I am dating about the 36 y/o as to why she is still single and has no kids at 36 years of age, she told me she had mostly “short term relationships” that didn’t go anywhere.
    (so, wait…I thought you were against marriage and the ‘rape’ of it all? Perhaps, she read the blog and decided it was not worth the trouble…hehe. You do realize that marriage and kids are not everyone’s forte’, right? And, that it is not always the case that it has anything to do being against marriage, just that it is not for everyone. Also, you are the same age as this woman, right? Why are you unmarried with kids? Hypocrite much? If she isn’t married by 36, like you, it might also be because many people are waiting until later in life to marry…yeah, and especially, if many more men are waiting until later in life now…then, if the population of men to women is still about equal(in US about 1.05 males/female or 1.00 males/female), then not everyone is going to get paired off by 30, right?)

    The 36 y/o was a teacher who has been out of school for at least 10 years. Therefore, there is no excuse about her need for more education like a physician or some other plausible explanation.
    (In the US, or at least in many states, advanced degrees are rewarded with higher salaries for teachers and administrators, so, yes, the financial gains aspect might be part of it, and is a plausible explanation in my opinion).

    When I hear this stuff, its all red flags for me. It sounds like she slutted it up big time in her youth and is looking for some beta chump.
    (Stuff again?(you sure do like the word ‘stuff, btw)..At least you admit it is not ‘facts’ but ‘stuff’ you have imagined in your head once again. Sounds like more ‘ass-u-me’s’ stuff…. 😮 ).

    From the interaction, you could clearly see she felt like she was “settling” for the 30 y/o chubby beta dude.
    (Ass-u-me’s again, or just the miserableness of being you, in your head again? What person sitting next to a ‘super hot’ 23 year old would even care about the ‘plight’ of this 36 year old woman, or how she came to be in such a ‘settling’ ‘state’? How miserable are you? ): And, are you not the one lecturing us all on the evils of women ‘shaming’ men on their bodies for not being perfect and buff…yet, here you are, ‘chubby’ and ‘beta chump’ shaming this poor guy that you do not even know…).

    She was probably upset that I wasn’t dating her rather than the 23 y/o and I am sure she would use every shaming tactic possible to get the 23 y/o to dump me.
    (ass-u-me…again. Your paranoia and self flattery that she would rather be dating such a ‘fun’ guy as yourself…or, try to get the 23 to ‘dump you’, might have everything to do with your person and character(lack thereof)..in fact, I would say to run from you, due to everything, except the age difference..Just because you are boring and annoying.)

    Fortunately, the 23 y/o I am dating isn’t that stupid to fall for that bullshit.”
    (well, a sucker is born everyday! 😉

    I guess I will be called an old BBW and angry feminist now…really, can you at least be an interesting blog character that is not like a broken record replayed daily?…blah.

  364. Promise says:

    @Josh If you’re curious I made my religion speech about Pagan beliefs. I imagine some of my peers walking out.

  365. Promise says:

    @FunDude You and VitesseSD are saying so much stuff I think I should write down.

  366. Promise says:

    @VitesseSD e47fd12c
    My profile is crap. XD

  367. FunDude says:

    @Promise

    I notice its not the younger women who are in their prime that are the ones who are angry feminists (unless they are obese or unattractive in other ways).

    Its usually the ladies who have started to age out and become “angry” that men of their equivalent age who are successful can attract SMART younger ladies who aren’t bitter.

    Within the last week, I had at least 3 ladies willing to date me that were 10 years younger. There is a 25 y/o female from my place of employment that was at the bar on Friday night as well. She was very nice to me and cordial. She has dropped hints that she was interested in dating as well.

    The only women I have experienced this “hostility” from are the older spinster ladies. They are often the ones who attempt to use words like “creepy” or “robbing the grave”.

    They also try to rationalize that men are “afraid of older women” because they are “smarter” and more “experienced” and “won’t take shit like younger women”.

    Who wants to date someone who “doesn’t take shit” and won’t be nice to them?

    Crazy.

  368. Promise says:

    They moved to Hong Kong recently because of his job, and she got more hate for it because she moved across the world for a man.

  369. Promise says:

    @FunDude that sounds a little similar to what happened to the YouTuber I mentioned yesterday. A little over a year ago she posted a Valentine’s Day tutorial. However her tutorial wasn’t the typical one. In hers she showed her viewers how her husband likes her to look (how he likes her hair, makeup, clothing.) because it’s V Day, and it’s a way for her to show she loves, and appreciates, him. After posting it Feminists were mad at her for dressing just to please a man, and in the video she used the term “trophy wife” as a joke. Feminists didn’t take it that way, and shamed her for it. Even though she was a Feminist too!

  370. VitesseSD says:

    @FunDude
    “Here is a study from an article that confirms that women cheat more than men”

    Disgusting story, but I’m not shocked. Its very much in line with what I’ve seen. They also seem to miss that men actively try to ignore and hide affairs that their wives have to avoid the cost of divorce.

  371. DarkHorseSD says:

    Cheating and Sugar:

    Pussy runs 24/7

    Money runs out

    Who’s cheating more????

  372. FunDude says:

    @Georgia

    Women over 30 should realize their decreased value on the SMP and “settle” accordingly.

    This is a very difficult concept for many women. They have decided they never need to “settle” and just bitch and moan about there being “no good men” around.

    The 40 y/o spinster should be looking at the 53 y/o fat dude rather than the 35 y/o physician who is in good shape.

    Unfortunately, the 40 y/o spinster will adamantly refuse to date the guy at her actual SMP level. She will often attempt mind games to basically force the man she wants to “have to date” older women.

    I see this all the time with shaming language.

    Who do you think are the ones who are saying older men who date younger women are “creepy”?

    The 23 y/o female doesn’t find it “creepy” at all. She is more than willing to spend the night at my place.

    Her 36 y/o friend is the one who would be the first to call it “creepy”

  373. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    Very good post.

    Here is a study from an article that confirms that women cheat more than men:

    {{http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1211104/Think-men-unfaithful-sex-A-study-shows-WOMEN-biggest-cheats–theyre-just-better-lying-it.html}}

  374. VitesseSD says:

    @Promise

    Could you link your profile? I’m curious about what you look like.

  375. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @the Good Dr. FunDude
    So where oh my are you placing all the females above 30 yrs old? What is “our” place in your new world?

  376. VitesseSD says:

    @FunDude

    Yeah I can relate. I wasn’t considered relationship material until more recently, when I was younger I just accepted that things would change later. Now I’m thinking, no, you didn’t want me then, why should I let you near me now?

    @All

    Something interesting. With all this talk of cheating, its amazing to see how many women are acting like its a male problem.

    When I was in my late teens/early 20s I spent the majority of my free time in the gym. I was a 10 (was, not am). Unless you were in a similar situation you would probably not believe how many women are cheaters.

    Almost universally women refused to date me or be in a relationship with me because “I was a player” I’ve never cheated on a woman, but the facts didn’t matter. I looked like I could whore around, so I wasn’t relationship material. At the same time women in relationships fucking threw themselves at me. Being raised the way I was I turned them down when I was aware they were in relationships. Boyfriends, engaged, married? All of the above have thrown themselves at me in bulk when I was younger.

    The one serious relationship I had in my early 20s ended with her cheating on me.

    Obviously this type of crap seriously impacted my perception of how faithful women are. I honestly don’t believe for one second that its a question of men are cheaters and women are not. I don’t believe its the other way around either.

    There are a few reasons you hear about married men cheating more often. Sometimes its because women hit a wall where their looks go downhill. Many women become incapable of cheating with anyone attractive, because anyone attractive will tell them to get lost. This doesn’t happen with as many men. Another thing to note is that if/when a woman cheats it’s still not in a man’s best interests to get a divorce. In general you only hear about cases where a woman was caught cheating if someone got shot, the rest of the time the man keeps his mouth shut to avoid making public the humiliation of being with a woman who cheated on him.

    This moral high ground by women is bullshit. Unless they have never cheated (and no ‘I was young and stupid’ is not an excuse), they are no better than any other cheater.

  377. GiGi says:

    Hi all! This blog truly has a colorful bunch and I have been thoroughly enjoying the back and forth.
    I will say when it comes down to it, there is someone for everyone.
    Young women…older women…young men….older men….married….unmarried, who cares about the differences between the two! If you are in search of something specific, you shouldn’t feel as if you need to explain these requirements to anyone, it’s your life. If you are happy in your current arrangement why be critical of someone else’s?
    Different strokes right?
    I’m a 42 year old SB(sugar babe…no longer a baby), and I’ve had a good experience on this site despite my age. I’ve had a handful of meet ups that all resulted in the SD’s desire to go further(I’m taking my time) thus proving that there are exceptions to the rule and not every woman past 36 is satly, delusional, or no longer sugar worthy.
    Everyone has different needs and I would never shame a man who was in search of a younger woman, or throw judgment at a married individual who was in search of something more.
    We all deserve to find what we are looking for even when what we are looking for differs from popular opinion.
    I wish everyone much luck in their search .

  378. FunDude says:

    @Dark

    That is probably the dumbest statement I have ever heard.

    If anything, with artificial wombs, it will be the extinction of females rather than males.

    Who do you think will invent all the technology and run it? Women?

  379. FunDude says:

    @Sexy

    I am dating the 23 y/o girl. The 36 y/o female is her “friend”.

    We were out at the bar downtown called the “Woods”. You probably know the place.

    We didn’t discuss these issues but just had small talk. The closest we got the age issue was when she started asking my age and how we came to know each other.

    You could tell by the body language and tone of her voice, there was a significant issue she had with our relationship.

    It is none of her business to make those judgements but does that ever prevent women from talking shit?

    I honestly believe she will attempt to sabotage things between the two of us by the typical older female shaming tactics.

  380. DarkHorseSD says:

    @vit, there is reaction to every action. The reaction to men not needing women and funding women will be no more men in 100 years.

  381. FunDude says:

    @Georgia

    Im trying to help the younger ladies understand the realities of biology and the sexual dimorphic species that humans have always been.

    The truth that I speak is a problem for feminism due to the inherent conflict that has arisen between them.

    Biology and Feminism can’t work together.

    Lying to women in their 20s about having “all the time in the world” isn’t a good thing. Feminism lies to women in their 20s by telling them:

    1) Forget about marriage in your 20s, look at your career and fuck around with the “fun guys”.
    2) Obesity or Age doens’t affect your SMP
    3) There should be no “double standard”. Women who get pumped and dumped by tons of men are equal in value to women who had very few sexual partners.

    These are all biological lies that can’t be changed, regardless of propaganda levels. This is the major reason why the birth rate has collapsed.

  382. sexyrockstar says:

    @fun
    If you are just dating these girls, why are you even talking to each other about the other?

  383. Promise says:

    @GP Dem legs tho.

  384. Promise says:

    @FunDude I’m sending blessings your girlfriends way.:(

  385. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Dr FunDude
    When I first saw your comments here earlier this morning, a wild thought crossed my mind. I saw you as a “Proud Peacock,” male of course. Strutting around the barnyard, your colorful feathers (i.e., plaid shorts, I suppose)trying to entice all the females around. Of course you were after the younger, skinny ones. LOL. I don’t know the age for breeding young peacocks, but I suspect you would know all about that potential. Anyway, that’s how I see you now… A very Proud Peacock strutting his stuff. LOL

  386. FunDude says:

    The 36 y/o is fine with her dating a guy 6 to 7 years younger than her but she appeared to be quite upset with me dating a female 12 years younger than myself.

    Her hypocrisy was evident in her face. She was definitely upset and wanted to limit the market for the successful guys in their 30s to force them to date women in their 30s.

    When I asked the 23 y/o female I am dating about the 36 y/o as to why she is still single and has no kids at 36 years of age, she told me she had mostly “short term relationships” that didn’t go anywhere.

    The 36 y/o was a teacher who has been out of school for at least 10 years. Therefore, there is no excuse about her need for more education like a physician or some other plausible explanation.

    When I hear this stuff, its all red flags for me. It sounds like she slutted it up big time in her youth and is looking for some beta chump.

    From the interaction, you could clearly see she felt like she was “settling” for the 30 y/o chubby beta dude.

    She was probably upset that I wasn’t dating her rather than the 23 y/o and I am sure she would use every shaming tactic possible to get the 23 y/o to dump me.

    Fortunately, the 23 y/o I am dating isn’t that stupid to fall for that bullshit.

  387. Promise says:

    @VitesseSD I don’t wear glasses. The contacts I have are colored ones.

  388. Josh says:

    @VitesseSD

    Great posts keep them coming.

  389. FunDude says:

    @Vit

    Unfortunately, your analysis is spot on for a large segment of females.

    Almost every female I have dated in her 30s follows the mold that you describe.

    An interesting event from Friday night:

    I met up with the a “friend” of the 23 y/o that I am dating. Her friend was a 36 y/o female who was dating some beta short chubby guy who was around 30 y/o.

    I could see the anger in the 36 y/o’s face when she saw that I was dating the 23 y/o. It was almost palatable but she didn’t say anything due to knowing I wouldn’t tolerate any bullshit.

    You could see she would be the type to talk shit about me dating a female 12 years younger due to her insecurity and jealousy over the situation.

  390. VitesseSD says:

    @FunDude
    “However, they know the truth. When I’m out with the 23 y/o at the bar, the older ladies appear very angry that I am “picking such a young lady” rather than the 36 y/o female.

    They often attempt to complain to the 23 y/o old to shame her out of the relationship despite her being very “emotionally, physically, intellectually and sexually” attracted to me.

    This is to attempt to force me to date older women.”

    The truth is in the whole ‘best years of my life’ line you hear from time to time. For a woman the best years of her life are her late teens and 20s. For a man his best years start when he’s established himself financially.

    The hypocrisy is that women want to spend the best years of their lives having sex with strangers and dating losers, then expect men who are entering their best years to welcome them with open arms.

    If a woman didn’t give a man the best years of her life why should he give her the best years of his? It wouldn’t be bad if a man and a woman got married young and stayed together through life, but divorce essentially steals the best years of a man’s life, the thing that makes it the best years of his life is mainly money. Being established, having luxuries, a nice house, a family etc.

    Women want the benefit of their youth, to have sex with anyone they want and shitty boyfriends, to essentially keep the best years of their lives to themselves, they then want a man to marry them, give them children, and the man’s assets, and thus have/steal the man’s best years as well, all without the man.

  391. FunDude says:

    @Dark

    Can you refute any of my assertions that I have linked from?

  392. VitesseSD says:

    @flyR
    “Joshie
    You did not reply to the questions about frequency or your use of the term “putting out”
    Does your mother know you are here……… Most young men leave your vocabulary behind somewhere around the 12th grade putting out down there etc.
    You’re wasting your time here as you need professional help or more contact with the real world.“

    This is a prime example of why most of the SDs on the blog are convinced that flyR and FlyGirl are females posing as males. I have never heard a straight grown man use a pet name like Joshie to refer to another man, ever.

    “Does your mother know” again, not something I hear men say.
    The same goes for “Young man” or “Young men”. Men tend to think in terms of if he’s a man he’s a man, not a young man. Thats a female thing.
    “ you need professional help” Never, in my entire life have I ever heard a man say this. Women are the ones who are convinced you can fix anything if you just talk long enough. Psychology and therapists are mainly a female obsession.

    Just about every line of what you said screams “I’m a woman” so it’s no shock that men here think flyR is female is it? flyR sounds like every female teacher I’ve ever had lecturing me about something she didn’t approve of.

  393. VitesseSD says:

    @Promise
    “Got my first pair of contacts a few days ago. I’ve tried 3 different ways to get them in, but still no luck. :'( any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.”

    Some women look really good with glasses… profile link?

  394. DarkHorseSD says:

    Feminism makes older women higher earners than their SMP. When the values cross, they are no longer sugar date-able.

    And f^ck iOS.

  395. FunDude says:

    Funny conversation concerning female SMP and wife level. This one is more of a joke:

    {{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU#t=115}}

  396. FunDude says:

    Terms like “robbing the cradle” or “you can’t have anything in common due to your 12 year age difference” are common complaints of the OLDER women.

    Didn’t know a 23 y/o woman was still in diapers.

    Amazingly, I get along with her very well and have many topics in common. I actually find my conversation and interactions with her far more pleasant than with equivalent 35 y/o females.

  397. FunDude says:

    @Dark

    Feminism has made many older women delusional as to their declining SMP.

    In China, women who are 27 and older are specifically older that they are “leftovers” if they aren’t married.

    Due to feminism in the West, women never hear about these truths.

    Feminism tries to make biology non existent. They are attempting to get rid of all of the short comings women have on the SMP including:

    1) Obesity
    2) Age
    3) Used Status

    Biology can’t be changed but the feminist propaganda campaign is going full force in the West.

    Ergo, older women remaining delusional.

    However, they know the truth. When I’m out with the 23 y/o at the bar, the older ladies appear very angry that I am “picking such a young lady” rather than the 36 y/o female.

    They often attempt to complain to the 23 y/o old to shame her out of the relationship despite her being very “emotionally, physically, intellectually and sexually” attracted to me.

    This is to attempt to force me to date older women.

  398. Gia says:

    On the 7 guys a week girl. Let’s stop it with the bashing/ sour judgments. if this was a guy with 7 girls a week no one would say anything. If she’s drop-dead gorgeous, even the most “self-respecting” guy would grovel to be in the waiting list to replace the guy who can no longer take the strict weekly schedule.

    Guys are competitive. The less available she is the more desirable she is otherwise they fear clinginess and suspect she doesn’t have a life of her own .If they know about her schedule, they’d like to see or at least hold out hope if they can be the last man (out of 7) standing. Or maybe they’re all too dumb to not catch on that no-strings does not automatically = exclusivity.

    I imagine the most attractive woman in the world can attract almost anyone she wants. So the most attractive SB would be smart to date half/half. 3 or 4 guys are Eye candy for herself, and the others fall on the average/generic side. That way the average looking guy who is just as shallow as the extremely handsome guy is more likely to ask himself “when is the next time I’m going to date a hottie like her?” He’s less likely to drop out and more likely to go all out and impress her. She has a healthy replenishment every now and then should these guys eventually get bored, fed up and move on to the next one.

    I applaud her for stamina and making it work. So many fakes and flakes on SA with the attention span of a goldfish! I myself couldn’t do this only because I like travel and the routine would wear on me. Then again, it is in NYC–not very boring.

    This is ideal for a student or unemployed beauty who would otherwise stand on her feet all day and get hit on & gawked at by cheap guys at work nonstop. Let someone else in need have that job. You just sit there and look pretty.

  399. FunDude says:

    Roll’s analysis of the male vs female SMP crushes Susan Walsh’s feminist rebuttal:

    {{http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/final-exam-navigating-the-smp/}}

  400. DarkHorseSD says:

    Fun, will look at the science tonight…remind me.

    I just offered zero allowance, but normal dating to an aged out mid forties SB (39 in Internet years) who’s obviously still trying the 5+ SD/wk turnover method.

    No response, of course.

  401. FunDude says:

    I linked to Susan Walsh who is basically a feminist blogger attempting to debunk this data. I find her analysis amusing considering the data is flawless in its analysis of SMP.

    She basically says it “can’t be true” because well she doesn’t want to believe it.

    The comments essentially crush her perspective due to the data being irrefutable.

  402. FunDude says:

    But I still enjoy SA to determine SMP values in the free market.

    The sugar market is basically a sexual marketplace economics course in the real world. Very fascinating stuff.

  403. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    Im not signed onto SA anymore. Having too good of a time dating this girl.

    Considering I don’t pay anything to “hang out” with her, I can’t see the value proposition in paying allowances at this moment.

  404. FunDude says:

    General data from the SMP (sexual market place) can be summarized below. Of note, this is for the GENERAL POPULATION.

    Men who are on sugar dating sites would be significant more wealthy than the general male population ( less than 5% of ALL men make >100K), so the numbers actually GREATLY UNDERESTIMATE successful male SMP.

    However, general conclusions can be made:

    1) Women in early to mid 20s command significantly higher SMP value than equivalent men from early to mid 20s
    2) Men are equal in SMP to Women arund 28
    3) Men in their 30s SMP is significantly greater than equivalent females
    4) 35 y/o males have equivalent SMP value as 23 y/o females

    This should put some pause on some of the ladies “expectations” about the “loser” SDs on this website.

    Maybe you better think before you demand substantial or moderate allowances. Hell, even for lower level allowances.

  405. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    “Just worked out with my 23 y/o girlie. Had a good time.”

    Hmmm, so you came to SA to look for a workout buddy?

  406. FunDude says:

    Also, more interesting stats include:

    1) Number of men 6 foot and taller are 14.5% of the population
    2) Number of men with >100K in ALL age groups= 5%

    I would post an article from “Evan Marc Katz” who discuss this issue but blunts the effects due to his readership being mostly women from 35 to 55.

    He can’t be overly critical of older women’s value due to his readership boycotting him over this issue.

    But the data doesn’t lie.

    This is also congruent with data out of the University of Michigan concerning this issue.

  407. FunDude says:

    Notice how this data doesn’t take into account assets/income.

    Male marketplace value is directly correlated with that finding.

    Ergo, the value of the data UNDERESTIMATES the value of successful men.

  408. FunDude says:

    Male vs Female Sexual Marketplace value based upon research:

    {{http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/10/31/relationshipstrategies/conclusive-data-male-vs-female-sexual-market-value/}}

    Just worked out with my 23 y/o girlie. Had a good time.

    Tuesday will be squats, biceps and triceps with her.

    Today we did chest, incline, biceps and triceps, and shoulder shrugs.

  409. DarkHorseSD says:

    That would be BiOS

  410. melabanana says:

    I still don’t understand men who seek love here. Am I missing something? Does the word “arrangement” mean more than what the dictionary says?

  411. L says:

    @DarkHorse I think what’s her face may be a pathological liar. How empty must her life be that she confides in and answers SA blog posts 24/7. She’s so happy and so smart, she thinks for herself. Right.
    Shouldn’t she already be enjoying her rich future hubby who will undoubtedly cheat, replace, repeat or use her up like Hefner?
    Will always hold doubt that any of her elaborate anecdotes are true and not just exaggerated blog entertainment.
    Hell, most people on here are in that boat. Except for maybe that bitter fatbastard guy who sometimes posts on here.

  412. Josh says:

    “OK what is this iOS and why does everyone want to fuck it? Is it bi?”

    Hahahahahaha! Good one @SouthernSB

  413. KeKe says:

    Lol @Southern!

  414. KeKe says:

    Good Morning SB’s / SD’s !!

  415. SouthernSB says:

    OK what is this iOS and why does everyone want to fuck it? Is it bi?

  416. DarkHorseSD says:

    There is a new SB profile in the Midwest that claims to be an iOS Tech Support Dancer. Perhaps she could help with my iOS issues. I need more than sex. :(

    P.S. F^ck iOS.

  417. Promise says:

    @Southern Thank You!

  418. DarkHorseSD says:

    Marketing

  419. SouthernSB says:

    Why on earth do they have profiles of people who haven’t logged in for years in the featured profiles?

  420. DarkHorseSD says:

    Perhaps NYC is a nuclear furnace of sugar, or even a black hole of sugar.

    Density so high, gravitational forces overcoming nuclear, electrons forced out of their quantum orbits smashing into nuclei.

    Runaway sugar reactions spoiling typical sugar recipes.

  421. Promise says:

    @Josh Thank you.

  422. DarkHorseSD says:

    @FunDude… Any dip in the rate of conception for males or BBW sightings?

    @What are people’s Expected Allowance…what are your parameters?

    @Any more hope for the Lesbians?

    {Advancing Sugar Science post by post.}

  423. Josh says:

    Or one of the competitive products?

    [http://www.amazon.com/Lobob-Soft-Contact-Insertion-Removal/dp/B00012FJ9O]

  424. Josh says:

    @Promise

    Maybe you want to try something like this.

    [http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DSQeQzG5Svw]

  425. Denise says:

    Wow the term “putting out” sounds old. If a man sees a woman as “not putting out” usually he feels entitled to her body. When I hear about a woman no longer wanting to have sex with her bf/husband I first think “how’s the relationship outside of sex?”. Then I wonder if everything is fine there did anyone give birth recently? Fine there? Last I think how is the sex?

    It’s one thing to have great sex with someone it’s another to be used as a masturbatory hole. “Putting out” makes me think of a “male” that is seeking to masturbate into anything including but not limited to a crunchy sock vs a man having sex with a woman.

  426. flyR says:

    Joshie

    You did not reply to the questions about frequency or your use of the term “putting out”

    Does your mother know you are here……… Most young men leave your vocabulary behind somewhere around the 12th grade putting out down there etc.

    You’re wasting your time here as you need professional help or more contact with the real world.

  427. Promise says:

    Got my first pair of contacts a few days ago. I’ve tried 3 different ways to get them in, but still no luck. :'( any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

  428. PatientlyWaiting says:

    @Sexy Show this to drummer. LOL {{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x4bfHllX2A}}

  429. PatientlyWaiting says:

    @Josh @UncommonSB RIGHT!
    @Sexy they even do Sweet Child o’ Mine. Their vocals are shakey on it but the rest is good {{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUP0lBoi_6Y}} We KNOW how you love Guns n’ Roses

  430. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    I don’t know who may be an attorney in here, did I say “Allegedly” enough to cover my ass in that response to Promise? LOL

  431. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Promise
    The girls they are talking about are the ones in the YouTube video that Lainey, aka PatientlyWaiting posted: {https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1boUYB9LFJY} It’s a trio of young girls: [http://thewarningband.com/]

    And “V Stiviano” was allegedly the mistress of the “former” LA Clipper’s owner, Donald Sterling. If you read the article above, it will explain how Ms. Stiviano was sued by Mrs. Sterling for $$$$$$$ and items that her then husband “allegedly” gave to Ms. Stiviano. Apparently/Allegedly, Mr. Sterling and Ms. Stiviano had an “arrangement” of sorts and that’s why SA chose to post the info here. Hope this helps.

  432. Josh says:

    Promise,

    “@PatientlyWaiting

    @Sexy thought you’d like this {{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1boUYB9LFJY}}”

  433. FunDude says:

    Taking it easy tonight. Was out till 3AM last night and then had my 23 y/o hottie sleep over at my place.

    @Promise

    Good job on that issue.

    @LadyScarlett

    Any woman that takes an “arrangement” really isn’t a moral paragon to discuss who is a “cheater” and who isn’t.

    The hypocrisy of used goods SBs yapping about “cheaters” is always amusing to me.

  434. Promise says:

    @Kenna I think it was for the best that no one intervened.

  435. KennaKenna says:

    Woah! I missed a lot.

  436. Promise says:

    @Josh What girls?

  437. Josh says:

    When those girls finally become famous and go on a US tour I would like to see their concert.

  438. Promise says:

    @FunDude I finally took the time to watch that Red Pill persons video on Feminism. After that, and an incident with a female YouTuber I greatly admire, I can definitely say I’m not a Feminist.

  439. sexyrockstar says:

    @lainey

    I love those girls!
    So much talent

  440. Promise says:

    I still have no clue who V Stiviano is.

  441. UncommonSB says:

    Almost done with my seasonal shopping… today has been dedicated to all the things I can buy for the summer without having to try them on. Swimsuits, handbags, shoes, dresses, accessories, etc. Saves sooo much time to day take a day each season and knock it out online, then only go in store for the things where tailored fit is more of a concern.

  442. UncommonSB says:

    @PatientlyWaiting Those kids rock! Good for them to be so young, self aware and obviously so committed and determined to pursue their passions in life!

  443. DarkHorseSD says:

    Did someone say Lesbian marriage?

  444. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @ONSD
    “@GP – No need to get your panties in a bunch, hun… Wasn’t attacking you at all. Telling a story”

    Well Sweetie, my panties aren’t in a “bunch” since I rarely wear any, but thanks for not attacking me. I’m sure you feel you’re a part of that old cliché of “it’s always the man’s fault” (and “NEVER” the woman’s). I wouldn’t say that. I’ve always tried to see both sides of an issue – which I can make sense of them. Sure my late husb and I had issues. I don’t think we’d be human if we didn’t. He was absolutely one of the most controlling men I have ever met and the words “male chauvinist” fit him to a “t” but that doesn’t mean I would have looked elsewhere and to my knowledge neither did he. We did go to several counseling sessions and not because I threatened him or such. He knew we were going through a rough patch and thought it might help both of us. (No, it wasn’t about sex issues.)

    So, if there was “…No way in hell there would be an admission there could be ANY, problem let alone a sexual issue…” – is that coming from you or her? Who would be willing to let the other stray from their vows in order to not be embarrassed if there really is a sexual issue? That’s what I don’t understand. I guess I was brought up differently. If you have a problem, you get help, you fix it and you move on. You don’t pretend a problem doesn’t exist just because the neighbors might find out. Does your wife believe that you continue to live in such a perfect world that nothing bad will ever happen? Gee, who led her down that path and in this day and time? There are psychologists on every corner now and it’s almost an “in” thing to be seeing one.

    I’m really not picking on you. I’m not. I just don’t understand how a situation like yours (and others here, no doubt) occurs. It almost sounds like an easy excuse to have a mistress, “because my wife won’t put out.” I will tell you that if I had thought there was a “physical” issue in my marriage, I would have started with both of us seeing a medical doctor and asking a lot questions. He may not have liked it, but I would have been asking his doctor and hoped he would be asking mine. And for the record, if there had been another lady in my husband’s life, he would have discovered quickly that I wouldn’t be there waiting for him. No, I’m not above anyone else here, like Uncommon said, it’s just how I was raised and what I believe. I took my marriage vows seriously with the intent to keep them until I died, and I expected no less of him.

  445. PatientlyWaiting says:

    @Sexy thought you’d like this {{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1boUYB9LFJY}}

  446. PatientlyWaiting says:

    @LadyScarlett I think having and exclusive SB is more important when a man is married because of the fear of transmitting unknowns to wife

  447. Josh says:

    Sandman Does Elizabeth Holmes…

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akg_46_NZpk]

  448. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Promise
    I’m not sure it’s safe, yet. Need to ask Dr. FunDude since he seems to think that the appropriate age is 23. LOL

  449. UncommonSB says:

    @rem I respect your right to feel anyway you feel about kink. I am not above reproach, and in fact enjoy intelligent debate. How else do we learn or grow, if not from engaging with others who can introduce us to new and even adversarial perspectives? In business, I never hire ‘yes’ people, I work with people who will give me their honest opinion when they see something I do not. It is my prerogative to decide what to do with their insight when it differs from mine.

  450. Josh says:

    @rembodler

    “One can say that you are a bottom feeder, taking advantage of (and money from) lonely and desperate people who have been abused and need medical treatment and not you “kink”.”

    Are you sure about that? I have read repeatedly on this blog that most of the sub SDs are high powered businessmen, attorneys, etc., who want DOMs for stress release. 😉

  451. LadyScarlett says:

    Why doesn’t anyone give the men a hard time, when they say they want an exclsuiveSB, who is not seeing anyone else, or they cannot trust her, so will kick her to the curb? I see no difference in what Uncommonsb said, and why I took up for her. She also said seeing an unattached SD as her preference was more due to a trust issue, not that she was better than anyone? Where did she say what she did was the moral high ground, and beyond reproach…just generally curious, if I missed something here?

  452. rembodler says:

    @sexy – Thank you for your kind words :-).
    I actually would rather we talk about SBs… As a whole, SA community is not looked upon kindly from the outside. We should at least try to not give each other hard time and pretend that “unlike your $hit, my $hit is the one that smells with roses”. Cheating or “married but looking” or (even single) 50 yo. men being with 20yo, the “perverted” S&M types “that should be institutionalized”, the swingers, the nudists – all of this is not very accepted and your neighbors, the Smiths, will not give you a hand if they only knew etc… @Uncommon, I am not attacking you, just your pious belief that what you are and what you do is beyond reproach. One can say that you are a bottom feeder, taking advantage of (and money from) lonely and desperate people who have been abused and need medical treatment and not you “kink”. Not that I think this myself, but one can easily make such an argument, if they so desire.

  453. Promise says:

    Is it safe to come out yet?

  454. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “Even when I was getting a divorce we were having great sex 2-4 times a week, initiated by both.”

    Hmmm…I guess lesbian marriages are different?

  455. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar I have never fought with you, just taken your insults like a champ without returning them in kind. It takes two, and I’m fine with you being the sole contender and default winner of whatever personal attack battles you choose to engage in.

  456. sexyrockstar says:

    But im off, taking kids to dinner. They’re done with dance stuff. Music stuff. Long day.

  457. flyR says:

    someone “cheaters (when wives put out with a reasonable frequency, say, at least few times a month).” a few times a MONTH ?

    REASONABLE FREQUENCY / “””PUT OUT””” surely you jest and “put out” as in accept with the enthusiasm of a wet dishrag – no thanks. Even when I was getting a divorce we were having great sex 2-4 times a week, initiated by both.

  458. sexyrockstar says:

    If you want to keep going with your god-like-my-shit-dont-stink attitude, go ahead.

    But I’m done fighting. fighting over the internet is like winning the special Olympics. Even if you win. Well. You’re still. Special.

  459. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar It’s okay, keep going. Anything else you’d like to call me while you’re at it?

  460. LadyScarlett says:

    I did not take what she said that way at all…but, that was my take. She is always direct and no nonsense, in her posts…

  461. sexyrockstar says:

    @lady

    If @uncommon dropped her “I’m better than everyone because I have morals” act, @Josh wouldn’t have to stop giving her an ‘unfairly’ hard time

  462. sexyrockstar says:

    @lady

    If @uncommon dropped her “I’m better than everyone because I have morals” act, @Josh wouldn’t have to

  463. Josh says:

    @Promise,

    My apologies about the “r” word.

  464. Josh says:

    @batshit’s style of blog “contribution” is to stir shit err stand up, on behalf of whomever.

  465. Josh says:

    @sexyrockstar

    “I’m also awesome because I can sing twinkle twinkle little star in four languages.”

    You are awesome regardless. :)

  466. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Sexy – student said she was nervous about the lunch, but she liked it A LOT…she would be VERY INTERESTED in doing it again sometime…next time you’re local, let me know!

    And, if we get a Chicago gathering together, I think shed be game to meet with me!

  467. LadyScarlett says:

    It is more fun to ignore Josh most times, hehe…but, he was unfairly giving uncommonSB hard time, so I made an exception ;-p Thank you for your concern, patientlywaiting(Josh).

  468. PatientlyWaiting says:

    Its me “Lainey” btw. Name is ode to me being all my lonesome right now. LOL

  469. PatientlyWaiting says:

    Why is it that @LadyScarlett always talks DIRECTLY to @Josh but claims she is “ignoring” him? Even when she is not called upon she mentions him. I don’t get it.

  470. sexyrockstar says:

    I’m also awesome because I can sing twinkle twinkle little star in four languages.

  471. LadyScarlett says:

    did RussianSB leave? ): She is so funny…

  472. Josh says:

    @Sexy is awesome. Why? Because I know that her man is happy with her.

  473. LadyScarlett says:

    @sexy, it is the different kind of dom, hehe 😉

  474. Josh says:

    I have problem with men who are deadbeat (unless their are disabled), physically abusive (regardless of excuse/reason) and cheaters (when wives put out with a reasonable frequency, say, at least few times a month).

    Women continue to pretend that sex is an optional activity, which ain’t. If they told their to-be-husbands that sex is a totally optional activity from their end, most men would not come into marriage with them.

    @ONSD is an honest man who CANNOT be considered a “cheater” when he has had sex 7 times in 5 years and 2 times in last 3 years. Judging him–and yes that’s what @UncommonSD did–as a “cheater” is ludocrist.

  475. sexyrockstar says:

    @lady

    @Josh doesn’t have a problem with me. I’m naturally dominate.

  476. LadyScarlett says:

    No, Josh..that is YOUR contribution and namesake, all day, at least 12 hours a day 7 days a week(since I started posting and your were harassing sugar spicey…it is ALWAYS someone you are insulting and pestering).

    I happen to think she is being unfairly attacked by you, and your dipshit shit stirrer extraordinaire, lol. And, dont tell me you do not give her a hard time because she is a DOM…You do not like doms..

  477. Josh says:

    @OnlineNewbieSD

    “@uncommon’s form of judgment is passive-aggressive…just like the religious right likes to do to claim discrimination against their religion…it’s bullshit to try to claim she’s NOT judging those she denegrades, not looking down on those who are HONEST about the situation and doing the best they can for the situation they’re in, insulting those who pay for the site (I also believe there are significantly more married guys than single – by whatever means)”

    I agree with that assessment. @batshit just found an opportunity to stir shit.

  478. Josh says:

    @batshit. Your sole contribution to the blog is to stir shit. Carry on.

  479. LadyScarlett says:

    but onlineSD, what are your thoughts on the SB’s who have more than one SD, or juggling a few and not being honest? I only saw her mention that was not for her. And, I have had a married SD before, so am not saying that I agree, but that I did not take umbrage of her comment as a put down or judgement of what I have done….I know another girl who will only see the single SD’s…It is a preference, like anyone else’s. Some on here have taken it too personal. Just my opinion looking at it objectively..

  480. UncommonSB says:

    @ONSD Let me remind you… “@gentleman has a HUGE point…I’ve had SBs in the past that had a bf, or a husband…but I KNEW…and every SB I’ve had KNEW I was married. As I’ve said to a couple of pots over my search “I’m okay with you having a bf/hubby, but you need to tell me if you’re looking for someone else. It’s MY CHOICE if I want to continue to be involved with you if you’re going to potentially be with someone else…just like I’ll tell you if I’m looking for another SB and it would be YOUR choice at that point to continue seeing me…our arrangement is on CURRENT TERMS, if those terms change, our arrangement will certainly change”

    I’ve ended arrangements in the past because I found out something else was happening…it’s about the trust…if I can’t trust her, there’s no place for her…”

    I basically agreed, and called a spade a spade.

  481. Josh says:

    WTF [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdX7L9u4O_0]

  482. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar Fetlife is a very interesting place to get an overview of kinky possibilities and understand how extreme things can get, but it’s not really my crowd. As far as limiting my options while others are getting laid and paid… I’m 100% okay with being selective and forgoing options that don’t genuinely appeal to me anyway.

  483. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @uncommon’s form of judgment is passive-aggressive…just like the religious right likes to do to claim discrimination against their religion…it’s bullshit to try to claim she’s NOT judging those she denegrades, not looking down on those who are HONEST about the situation and doing the best they can for the situation they’re in, insulting those who pay for the site (I also believe there are significantly more married guys than single – by whatever means)

  484. LadyScarlett says:

    Also, I do not think uncommon judged anyone else, but just made a point about some of the men being hypocritical about wanting their SB to be exclusive to them, while they are married to someone else who is not informed of their SA activities. She seems pretty direct and fair..and never name calls anyone like joshfullofshit does(or me, hehe). And, i like a perspective from a dominant, too. So many men on here have a problem with that dynamic, which is a shame, as her posts are often very sensical and logical, without rudeness or name calling.

  485. sexyrockstar says:

    @rembodler
    You’re fantastic. You can say that in a nice way. I can’t. Lol. As I said about @uncommon: she’s limiting her pool of SDs. While her competition is getting laid and bills are getting paid.

    @uncommon
    Have you tried FetLife? There’s this bar in Chicago that has girls spank men. I’ve been there and it was awesome.

  486. LadyScarlett says:

    Call me batshit all you like, dipship, as when you disagree with me, then that probably means I am making sense or being fair, since you just do not care for anyone who is a dominant, as a female, and is why you give uncommon a difficult time. Open your small minded viewpoint, but at least I am not a coward who hides behind other blog identities to get my point across.

  487. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh The site is for anyone who wants to join and benefit, single people included… caveat emptor with all of the liars, scammers and fakes though. I didn’t accuse anyone of anything, I stated my opinion on the topic. So what? I like to have honest, transparent relationships and call a relationship quits when I know that it’s no longer possible to do that. I obviously have a strong opinion about it, I draw a firm line in the sand. I don’t care if you (or anyone else) draws your lines in a different place, or if you have no lines at all. It’s your life, live it however you think you should.

  488. LadyScarlett says:

    @Josh, leave uncommon alone, as i just stated, any site has it’s share of ‘married’ men. At least many on seekingarrangement are honest about it, so she can skip over their profile, whereas, in real life and MANY other dating sites, married men are all over the place, pretending to be SINGLE.

    Also, Josh, you are against married men cheating yourself, so why do YOU support the site. Hypocritical….

  489. Josh says:

    Ah joy…@batshit is here to ensure that shit makes it into the spots missed by @UncommonSB. :(

  490. rembodler says:

    @uncommon
    I just find it hilarious that someone who is certainly in the minority here thinks that she has the “moral ground” to teach and proselytize. You are very ready to judge others, based on your own narrow mind, but if others will judge you, you will scream “bigots!”

  491. LadyScarlett says:

    By the way, I have heard there are many married men masquerading on match.com as ‘single’ men…at least many who are married on SA, are being honest about it. The worse ones are the ones that pretend to be single, in my opinion. They just screw everyone over, in that situation.

  492. Josh says:

    *but you DON’T have problem benefiting from a site that is supported by those people who you consider cheaters.

  493. Josh says:

    Majority of men are not here to “cheat”. Majority of men don’t want to have long term relationships with women for reasons of their own. The niche segment of SDs you are comfortable are NOT here because the quality of women her is better. They are here because they don’t want to deal with you or any other woman in real life relationships.

    Clarity of thinking is a bliss…which most women don’t get to experience…as they tend to enjoy the other bliss…of ignorance.

  494. LadyScarlett says:

    “UncommonSB says:
    April 18, 2015 at 1:54 pm
    @Josh “How about YOU pay and the two of you enjoy?”

    LOL. That sounds silly coming from an SD. Are you going to launch into an argument that upends the entire premise of this site now?

    Josh says:
    April 18, 2015 at 1:59 pm
    @UncommonSB

    “LOL. That sounds silly coming from an SD. Are you going to launch into an argument that upends the entire premise of this site now?”

    Ah, finally your came around. Better late than never. This site is run through the sponsorship of “cheaters” my dear. If here were no married + unmarried cheaters, Brandon Wade would be working for some tech company.’

    Hmm, without stirring a hornet’s nest like reaction here, as I am not judging anyone, but there are enough single and divorced men on this site, so that one would not have to partake in anyone taken, if they so choose. Sure, there are plenty who lie about being single, but that is on them, and not the individual going into the arrangement.

    Also, i will say in many circumstances(not saying anyone here), but the most common well-known lie given by many married men is that the wife will ‘not put out’. I have heard that one so many times, and is a well known way to get sympathy sex from naive young women. I have always had many male friends, and even years ago, before I sugar dated, I met a man in real life, who at first told me he was ‘divorced’, then the truth came out he was really ‘separated’, then when I ended things, he called and begged me back, telling me how he really was married still, but his wife was so cold to him, so he ‘had’ to cheat. I did not believe anything he said at that point, but months later, his wife,(who had never been separated, from him), called me, as she said she had found my number in his phone. She wanted to know about our relationship, and went on to tell me that she was under the impression they had a great marriage, but he had been cheating on her for years, and begged her back every time she found out. She said they had just had a baby, too, and had a very active sex life(almost everyday, in fact).

    So, there are two sides, his, her’s, and the truth’s.

    There are just so many men that chase pussy, in various ages, flavours and colours, no matter how much their wife ‘puts out’. Is this not a well known fact? sheesh…

  495. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    @Josh I have never misunderstood that the majority are likely here to cheat,

    I think I am almost done going in circles with you. I put “cheater/s” in quotes for a reason. I don’t think that most are cheaters. It is YOU who are accusing them to be cheaters…but you have problem benefiting from a site that is supported by those people who you consider cheaters.

    If it were not for these SDs, who for whatever reason ended up here, this site would be no more. So if you have a niche fetish or point of view, then so be it…but I would suggest that you are a bit more careful with your “c” word.

  496. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh I have never misunderstood that the majority are likely here to cheat, but I have met some great guys who were single, busy and simply wanted casual fun like myself. Neither demographic changes the premise of the site, which is that men who search here are comfortable with being the party who pays.

  497. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    Pissed and throw me out

  498. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @GP – No need to get your panties in a bunch, hun… Wasn’t attacking you at all. Telling a story.

    Of course wife would be passed and their me out, because it’s NEVER the woman’s fault the relationship fails… Not even shared responsibility…

    Doesn’t matter I’ve confronted her about lack of sex, said I was sick of doing it myself, said I’d have to find someone to help me out with it…

    Also, counseling on sex sure isn’t gonna happen… No way in hell there would be an admission there could be ANY, problem let alone a sexual issue… You don’t talk about that, not with your spouse, not with your family and certainly not with someone who might tell you there is validity to the complaint.

  499. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    “LOL. That sounds silly coming from an SD. Are you going to launch into an argument that upends the entire premise of this site now?”

    Ah, finally your came around. Better late than never. This site is run through the sponsorship of “cheaters” my dear. If here were no married + unmarried cheaters, Brandon Wade would be working for some tech company.

  500. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “How about YOU pay and the two of you enjoy?”

    LOL. That sounds silly coming from an SD. Are you going to launch into an argument that upends the entire premise of this site now?

  501. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    “@Josh.. that toy is all about the man!”

    That toy exists to make women unnecessary. If she is interjecting herself into the mix then she has something to gain, but is not willing to pay for her own enjoyment. She insists that he pays for it.

    It is very typical of women in general who want to get married and have children, and somehow convince themselves that the man is the main beneficiary of the marriage.

  502. Josh says:

    @Josh “MAN-PAYS-AND-YOU-ENJOY”

    @UncommonSB: “No. The man pays and WE enjoy.”

    How about YOU pay and the two of you enjoy?

  503. sexyrockstar says:

    Women can cheat as well.

    There are SBs who have boyfriends. those boyfriends are not giving them what they want: finciancal choices.

    But they still love their boyfriends.

  504. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Jj
    I do hear you. I dated a gent last fall who was in a loveless marriage for over 35 years. He finally called it quits and they divorced several years ago. I had to laugh when he told me he was a real “slut puppy” after he left her. He said he fucked about every female he could get his hands on that would have him. LOL. He said he had since calmed down and was more selective. But he’s not ready to settle back to a marriage either, since he’s enjoying his freedom of choice. And you know, I agreed with him. If he’d stayed with a wife that long, who would not put out for him, he should be able to do as he wishes now and with whom.

  505. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @KeKe
    You’re a pretty smart cookie for your age. LOL. Yes. I agree, men are pretty basic in most cases. Keep them sexually happy, keep your appearance reasonable, keep them well-fed emotionally and figuratively and I would suspect things would work out. But if one thing goes off, particularly the sex thing, they go wandering off. LOL

  506. Jj says:

    My sugar relations are not considered as “cheating” in my view, but as an extension of anyone’s need for intimacy. I do not look upon this as an “affair” as I treat my lovelies as friends and do not “reward’ them for sexual pleasures…, but seriously enjoy assisting and sponsoring their dream and ambitions. I like to have them better to have met me than to not have had our paths cross. I put up with a lame marriage for 30+ years… and the soon to be finalized divorce is after 41 years of bliss”ters!!!! just say’n!!!

  507. KeKe says:

    @Georgia.. Yet these same girls would be devastated if he cheated. Call him names. What do you think is going to happen. I want to shake them. Women and men don’t think the same. Damn they haven’t figured this out yet. We are mid to late 30’s. I hope I don’t offend the blog SD’s but men are pretty f#cking basic. Feed them, f#ck them. You can probably get away with not feeding them. Lol

  508. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Jj
    So having an SB or an affair is a compromise from a wife who won’t put out for her husb and the husband who goes looking elsewhere for the intimacy the wife won’t give him?

  509. Jj says:

    “…by coming to me as a cheater…” AND it is not “cheating” the marital relationship from which the gent… ie cheater… is seeking relief, by her not maintaining the marital intimacy relations!!! just say’n it happened to me just after two children and “poof!!!!!!

  510. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @KeKe
    I don’t understand that either. I was always available for my husband. I could not imagine why I wouldn’t be and I have a difficult time understanding why. I have a neighbor that is in a similar situation. He complains to me that his wife won’t “put out.” He sleeps in the other bdrm. She won’t have sex if there are kids in the house. Geez. Shut the door and lock it, turn up the tv or get a sound machine. I don’t understand. I tell him she needs to see a Dr and they need a counselor to work this out between them. This is her second marriage, his first. It sounds like she may be working toward a 2nd divorce. He’s 7 yr younger than she is and he is really good looking. I don’t get it.

  511. KeKe says:

    Oh @Promise sorry. Lol

    @Uncommon…I want one! I seriously want one.

  512. KeKe says:

    @Georgia…I hear over and over my coworkers complain about not wanting to have. They have no good reasons, honestly. I’m tired gets..tiring! Most guys only take a few minutes. Lol. We all have a few minutes to spare. Lol

  513. Promise says:

    :’)

  514. Promise says:

    It’s hard being a sexually frustrated virgin, and reading on here. Long story short: I just found out what a WeVibe is.

  515. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke I’ve only had a chance to use it with one man so far. Cost of toy $1,000, but his reaction when I had him cuffed to the bed and used it on him… priceless:)

  516. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @ONSD
    No, Darlin, my comment was NOT directed specifically to you. I’ve never personally been involved in your type of situation. My parents were married for over 63 yrs and certainly had their share of ups and downs. My Dad had his moments of drinking and gambling when they were first married and this was my Mom’s second marriage after her first one abused her while she was pregnant with my older, half sister. My parents did not have it easy, neither of their parents wanted them to marry, neither had an education, poor families; and together they produced 2 more daughters. But I saw them work together to survive even with their ups and downs. I watched my father care for my Mom thru over 8 different cancer episodes and I watched as he held her hand as she died last June. I also saw her face thru all that. And I was also there as my husb took his last breath after a 2 yr battle with a brain tumor. So, quite frankly ONSD, you can screw a duck for all I care. But I will bet that if your wife discovered you have an SB, you will be out on your ass in heartbeat and you will certainly get to “pay” then. But we’re only hearing your side here, what about the spouse we don’t hear from. Has anyone here been in that situation, designated as the one who “doesn’t put out for her husb or wife”? That’s what I mean by hearing from both sides. Again, as Uncommon said, to each his own.

  517. KeKe says:

    @Josh.. that toy is all about the man!

  518. KeKe says:

    Bet it’s pretty handy with some of your SD’s. You like them up to 15yrs older right? I bet they really enjoy it. I might need your email address :-)

  519. UncommonSB says:

    @KeKe It is :)

  520. KeKe says:

    @Uncommon…that looks fun! Lol

  521. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “MAN-PAYS-AND-YOU-ENJOY”

    No. The man pays and WE enjoy.

  522. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke “why are you throwing away high quality items away if they were bought for you? What is your kink?”

    There are some things that I keep, but not many. Anything that has fluid bonded with them, and isn’t 100% sterilizable (and often even if it is) I offer to give to them before tossing.

  523. Josh says:

    UncommonSB

    “I’ve also always had higher than normal testosterone levels, which may very well be a huge contributing factor to my youthful appearance, high libido and logical (vs emotional) approach to business, sex and relationships in general.’

    I am pretty sure that MAN-PAYS-AND-YOU-ENJOY is pretty “logical” approach. Many women have variations of such “logic”.

    For example, force him to buy a bigger than needed house so that when he is kicked out during divorce, the house goes to her and the mortgage responsibility goes to him. Very very “logical” indeed. 😉

  524. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – hahaha

  525. KeKe says:

    Lol @ Josh… Her husband is also a business owner who does very well. He has a lamborghini. While she is works 41 hr away (has a 2 yr in daycare full time) because she has to have her own. But complains she want to finish her degree. So f#cking backwards.

  526. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh Here’s just one example dear. A $1,000 purchase that has zero use for me personally, other than to tease, edge or overstimulate a man with it. venusformen.com/store/

  527. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    Let’s try it again…for shits and grins. Let’s see how it reads. 😉

    “As far as the kink/fetish things go though, nearly everything purchased is for the man’s specific benefit…It’s an expensive realm, and I like high quality and high tech stuff.”

  528. Josh says:

    UncommonSB

    “As far as the kink/fetish things go though, nearly everything purchased is for the man’s specific benefit.”

    Of course. Duh!!! My apologies. 😉

  529. KeKe says:

    @Uncommon… why are you throwing away high quality items away if they were bought for you? What is your kink?

  530. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “Regardless of how strong or dominant a woman tries to portrays, the man should still pay her and the bills…fascinating shit indeed. Oh wait, it is part of the kink/fetish.”

    No, not seeking someone to cover my overhead. As far as the kink/fetish things go though, nearly everything purchased is for the man’s specific benefit. I also don’t reuse anything between partners. Unless it’s lingerie or something along those lines… I offer to give the men I’ve dated the various items we’ve accumulated together when things end, or I throw them away. So no, I’m not going to date a guy who can’t afford to play with me in this way. It’s an expensive realm, and I like high quality and high tech stuff.

  531. Josh says:

    @KeKe

    “It’s also helps couples stay connected. *ugh* I was thinking I wish I could trade husband with you.”

    Business opportunity to match such spouses? :)

  532. KeKe says:

    How thee f#ck can you be with someone you care about and don’t have sex on the regular. It’s nuts! One of my coworkers was complaining. She said all her man thinks about is sex. Me: When was the last time you had sex. Her: Two weeks ago. Me: O_o
    She says she’s tired. I told her to roll on her ass on her side and let him get it while you she sleeps and will probably enjoy it. Like WTF… what you won’t do another chick will. Insanity! Sex isn’t just about the physical release. It’s also helps couples stay connected. *ugh* I was thinking I wish I could trade husband with you.

  533. Melissa says:

    @ONSD sounds happy with sugar and he is not neglecting his family or work so carry on :)

  534. Josh says:

    Regardless of how strong or dominant a woman tries to portrays, the man should still pay her and the bills…fascinating shit indeed. Oh wait, it is part of the kink/fetish. 😉

  535. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar “You assume that they are taking money away from the family, leaving kids behind, and all that other stuff.”

    I assume nothing and have not stated anything like that. They may be wonderful men in every other way, but by coming to me as a cheater, I will never be able to trust them or want to become intimate with them. I could care less if you have a gang bang with married men every week, do whatever makes you happy. However, I can state why that would make ME feel bad, like I was setting the bar too low for myself, and not personally attack anyone.

  536. Josh'sProxy says:

    To each their own. If he isn’t happy in the marriage then I say go for it as long as the home is taken care of and wife stays happy. If not then get a divorce.!

  537. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @GP – if that is directed to me…I KNOW the situation. In high school I heard the arguments about him keeping it in his pants…heard him ADMIT it wouldn’t happen again. I was in college at the time of the separation, I saw the credit card bills, addressed to the PO Box from discovery, saw the note from his attorney demanding an equal split of debt to avoid a custody battle, even though there was nothing to link my mom to the debt.

  538. sexyrockstar says:

    Btw, I didn’t mean to come off as talking shit about drummers wife, if anyone had that opinion. She’s not my wife to bitch about. I just know that both her and him are unhappy.

  539. sexyrockstar says:

    The way you talk about the married sugar daddies is disrespectful. You assume that they are taking money away from the family, leaving kids behind, and all that other stuff.

    Like I said, not every married sugar daddy is the same.

  540. GeorgiaPeach says:

    Two sides to EVERY story.
    His side… AND Her side.

  541. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar “You’ve mentioned that women who sleep with married men have no morals.”

    When exactly did I state this? I’ve stated how I feel about things, not how anyone else should feel. If anyone feels ashamed, that’s on them.

  542. sexyrockstar says:

    Or like sugar babies with model looks yet bring nothing to the table

  543. sexyrockstar says:

    Well, onlineSD and I are friends in real life, and my sugar daddy is married.

    You’ve mentioned that women who sleep with married men have no morals.

    So. I have a problem. I’m not ruining his marriage. His wife is. she constantly self sabbatoges.

    You’re making yourself SOUND crazy. Much like these ugly SBs who demand a huge allowance.

  544. sexyrockstar says:

    Lol @ pussy paradise.

    I wish SA was more of a ATM paradise.

    I hate the messages I used to get from men with
    “Not comfortable with allowance”
    “Don’t treat me like an atm”
    In their profiles.

    Their first few massages are normally:
    “Do you do anal”
    “Are you a bad girl”
    “Send me nudes”

  545. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar If you choose to take my opinions (which have never been directed at you) as a personal affront and reason to be disrespectful to me, that is your choice.

  546. sexyrockstar says:

    @uncommon
    You’re young, only in your 30s, but you sound like a bitter old woman.

    Yes, outside of a sugar arrangement, you’re successful. You don’t need a SD. But yet, you’re on an arrangement website. No sugar daddy…..

    By not choosing to be with married men, or at least, being closed minded about it, you are limiting yourself. There are plenty of “single” men in here who are attached.

    I suggest you try Fetlife or something.

    You’re alloWed to have an opinion, but it’s turned into shit talk. As a “sugar baby” or whatever YOU think you are, you should at least be able to say “get it girl and sugar on”

    Trying to shame these married sugar daddies too. Ugh. It’s sad.

    You’re over there judging while I’m having orgasums non stop and my bills paid for and a man who sends me good morning text messages.

  547. UncommonSB says:

    @rem “Please do not use yourself, by your own definition uncommon to define things”

    Everyone uses their own morals, values and life experience to define the world around them. Your world is obviously quite different than mine, but neither of our perspectives is more valid than the other.

    @PI “And the biggest reason against Marriage is – most people should not be marrying because they are doing it for the wrong reasons!”

    I agree that most marriages result in people being miserable. There is a slim chance that a couple can work out to grow together, rather than apart, but it’s a very slim chance. That’s why I’ve never accepted a proposal, because I was smart enough to recognize this in my early 20s and never bought into the hype. However, also I live in the US, where it is legal to divorce. So if either party is not upholding the vows and promises they made to each other, it can end fairly quickly. Yes it’s stressful, complicated, etc to divorce, but everyone survives it.

  548. PI Wolf says:

    @UncommonSB,

    I see that you prefer UnMarried Men, which is your prerogative! But you also imply/state that a woman that has an affair with a married man (regardless of sugar involvement) is contributing to the breakup of the marriage. While this could be true, I posit to you this – It is the legality of DIVORCE that is the cause of the breakup of marriage.

    I grew up in a country where divorce is not legal or allowed. Marriages still break up but there is no fighting and stealing or split of property, because there is no divorce! Naturally, they can not marry other people again. So, what do they do? They go through a very expensive process of ANNULMENT of the original marriage contract! Only the wealthy can afford to do this.

    In my own personal opinion, which is worth 2 cents – The cause of divorce is MARRIAGE. If people do not get married, they will not have a problem with divorce. The Marriage Contract is a legal document, and is not worth the paper it is written on – UNLESS you are a woman who is after the man’s wealth! Why marry, when you can divorce later on – when either party changes their mind? A couple that will stick with each other through thick and thin, will do so, irregardless of whether they are married or not!

    And the biggest reason against Marriage is – most people should not be marrying because they are doing it for the wrong reasons! ‘Nuff Said!

  549. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @GP – I will address your question even though it is under false pretense…I am NOT like my father, I do not accrue debt or neglect my family or juggle multiple women simultaneously…but if I had a son and he loved his wife (or his husband for that matter) but was not getting the physical needs met, if he was doing it like me – yes, I would approve. Just as, if I had a daughter who was married and not getting her needs met from her husband (or wife). It’s all about the HOW to me. Don’t neglect your family, don’t over spend your means, don’t lose track of the work that put yourself in a position to sugar…

    NOTE: My daughter would be the SM, not the SB…if she knew about my life, she would realize the power of being in charge – and she’ll have the money as long as she works like I demonstrate.

  550. ShyLilly says:

    @All Hello everyone! I tried to post on the 16th but I see it didn’t go through. First post needs to be short and sweet maybe?

  551. rembodler says:

    @uncommon
    U r welcome to disagree with my definitions, as soon as you look at your own name here- uncommon. Please do not use yourself, by your own definition uncommon to define things.
    I am talking about SA Vulgaris types, a married SD and 20-some chicks, not niche players

  552. Promise says:

    @Josh the one for mentally impaired people.

  553. UncommonSB says:

    @rem “Part of the problem are the definitions. If someone is not comfortable to be with a married man, they are looking for a boyfriend. No harm in that. It is just that some people do not consider it a SD/SB relationship.”

    I disagree with your definition. Seeking something casual while being single (not married and cheating) and SD/SB relationships are not mutually exclusive. I’m not seeking a boyfriend. I’m too busy to manage (or offer) what a full time relationship entails. Nevertheless, I don’t date broke men, even casually. There is a ton of kinky stuff I want to try, and whoever I’m dating will pick up the tab. Match is not exactly the place to be upfront about that.

  554. DarkHorseSD says:

    Back to what’s actually happening…

    I’m in contact (text, voice and Appraisal) with an early 20’s European doing an internship in NYC for 400/mo plus stipend from school and government sponsored bank loans.

    She’s supposedly spending the weekend hanging with friends in town instead of her sugar search. (Claims she’s yet unclaimed.)

    How’s that math work out in NYC?

  555. DarkHorseSD says:

    “To the man who has it and is willing to give without being insecure about it, SA is indeed a “Pussy Paradise”.”

    To the man who has it and is so insecure he is willing to give without being wise about it, ummmmm…I haven’t had that experience…but I hear SA is a Pussy Paradise for them.

  556. DarkHorseSD says:

    “That is an abject lie.”

    Don’t be so harsh on yourself. You get the attributions to your quotes right about 50% of the time. What are you “ON”, by the way?

  557. FunDude says:

    I should say “all” but a lot of SDs feel that way.

  558. FlyBoy says:

    @FunDude

    “Why do all the SDs believe flyboy is really flygirl?”

    How do you know what “all” the SDs think, unless you are them .. lol

    Cheers :)

  559. FlyBoy says:

    @FunDude:

    @Josh

    Sounds like flyboy and you are getting together very well like usual lol

    For the record, I like Josh. I think he should move on from whatever triggered his anger and join us. There is but one thing to do these days and that is to enjoy the decline.

    Happy hunting :)

  560. FunDude says:

    Why do all the SDs believe flyboy is really flygirl?

  561. FlyBoy says:

    DarkHorseSD:

    Weeks before re-joining SA membership, @FlyGirl has declared many times that she (pretending to be a male) knows exactly how to partake into “a paradise full of hot pussy.”

    That is an abject lie. I said my experience with SA from a couple of years ago has been very good. You and others (or is that redundant) said, Ah true but SA has changed and is a different place than it was. It is now full of flakes, tramps and fakes.

    I held on until I had a “real” recent experience. That’s when I posted that SA is still a “Pussy Paradise”. Alas, my view of SA was tainted by all the negativity on the blog that I was pleasantly surprised when I met the SB.

    To the man who has it and is willing to give without being insecure about it, SA is indeed a “Pussy Paradise”.

    It is what it is. Men climb to the top, and women fuck the top. You don’t like it, go back to arranged marriages.

    Cheers :)

  562. FunDude says:

    @Georgia

    Sounds like they are making the MCAT more female centric with its recent changes. Pretty pathetic.

  563. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @ONSD
    So, question… as a “son like a father,” do you think your son will follow in your footsteps of being a “cheater” or having “Sugar” and does that bother you or perhaps I should ask, should it bother you?

  564. FunDude says:

    One of my favorite videos about equality:

    {{https://www.facebook.com/RedPillPhilosophy/videos/vb.357141774325371/925996857439857/?type=2&theater}}

  565. FunDude says:

    @Josh

    Sounds like flyboy and you are getting together very well like usual lol

  566. Josh says:

    We used to have “business” meetings on 5th avenue sidewalks… 😉

  567. Josh says:

    Casino does not do much for me except free non-alcoholic drinks, and the sound of someone winning. The last time I went to Vegas, I spent a big fat zero cent on gambling but up to hundreds of dollars a pop for concerts and events.

  568. DarkHorseSD says:

    @Josh, with current weather in NYC, I can sit at an outside table in certain locations in NYC and partake in a paradise full of hot pussy.

  569. DarkHorseSD says:

    ONSD, there are people who can visit a casino and have a little fun. Then there are people who can’t leave the casino to save their lives. Different people.

  570. Josh says:

    DarkHorseSD

    Weeks before re-joining SA membership, @FlyGirl has declared many times that she (pretending to be a male) knows exactly how to partake into “a paradise full of hot pussy.”

  571. DarkHorseSD says:

    FunDude, some medical related things have come up in the last 24 hours which could be up your ally to comment on.

  572. Josh says:

    @FunDude

    “Interesting how women want to fuck more after you already have another woman with you.”

    Some call it “social proof”.

  573. DarkHorseSD says:

    Actually, I didn’t assert what is actually happening on SA. FlyWheel declared what is actually happening. I was mistaken to buy into that premise to the extent my comment used only his quote without clarification.

  574. Josh says:

    @Promise

    The “r” word? What are you talking about?

  575. FunDude says:

    Out to 2:30AM last night partying in downtown Western Michigan. Getting ready for Chicago.

    Out with my 23 y/o chick. She came back to my place to sleep until this AM and then has to go out to a wedding today.

    Met a bunch of people from my place. Interesting how women want to fuck more after you already have another woman with you.

    How is everyone’s day in here?

  576. DarkHorseSD says:

    “How do you know what “is actually happening on SA”?”

    By using it, interacting with and meeting large numbers of people, asking lots of questions, and accumulating all the answers experiences and data into a coherent picture.

  577. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @uncommon & others – when I am at home I am completely engaged in the home life, and is not that there’s tension between us, there’s just a lack of intimacy.

    My father was a cheater, he went into debt to support his women (and there were many), spent time away from family, failed to keep promises with us kids, was caught and continued, etc. I SUGAR, it doesn’t take away from what supports the household, family will never take priority over family (or business for that matter).

    Sorry, I can’t scroll to make sure I address all the differences in me versus my father…but it’s different. It may be extra-marital, but it does not take away from me in the marriage, it makes me better in the marriage (like @Sexy stated)

  578. DarkHorseSD says:

    @Josh, so some bisexuality has to enter into the equation for sugar to work for a lesbian?

    I really wonder, with this enormous propensity for sugar (almost necessary for survival in NYC amongst young women,) how lesbians fare and manage.

  579. FlyBoy says:

    @DarkHorse:

    The depth of knowledge about what is actually happening on SA garnered by non-participants is truly extraordinary.

    Unless you own SA; How do you know what “is actually happening on SA”?

    Cheers :)

  580. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – yes the attorneys I do not respect know that I do not respect them. I trust their legal work, but do not respect the way they manage their business. I do not tell people they should get a different attorney (like I would do if I did not trust the work), but I will tell them the issues they may encounter in dealing with them outside of document prep or representation.

  581. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh:

    “Your style is 100% female. Deny it all you want.”

    My “style”, huh! lol

    Cheers :)

  582. DarkHorseSD says:

    “FlyBoy says:
    April 16, 2015 at 5:26 pm
    After a year and half – too much work :( – absence from SA, I came back early this week. ”

    The depth of knowledge about what is actually happening on SA garnered by non-participants is truly extraordinary.

  583. Promise says:

    @Josh Don’t use that word either. :(

  584. Promise says:

    @FlyBoy Don’t use the “r” word. :(

  585. Josh says:

    @FlyBoy

    Ah…like a true feminist, facts don’t bother you.

    “No you shouldn’t be surprised since you are here 24/7 and have surly seen me express the same sentiment.”

    Just like true feminist, first accuse various independent male and female bloggers to be my proxy and then claim that I am here “24/7”.

    “1. YOU chased off RussianSB. A beautiful and interesting participant.”

    I like @RussianSB, and have liked her ever since I have been on this blog. I had actually asked @FunDude to go easy on her. Unless of course, your retarded mind believes that @FunDude = @Josh.

    “2. YOU continue to be obsessed with putting women down that it is making all of us look like a bunch of fucking losers. Case in point, recently you started portraying SBs as cheap hookers who fuck many men during the day (look up the SB with 7 SDs).”

    @KennaKenna brought that up, not me. Unless of course, your retarded mind believes that now @KennaKenna = @Josh as well.

    Your style is 100% female. Deny it all you want. :)

  586. FlyBoy says:

    @FuckingCrazy:

    Should I be surprised that the resident mangina makes a comment refuting my statement and FlyGirl jumped right in to agree with the resident mangine?

    No you shouldn’t be surprised since you are here 24/7 and have surly seen me express the same sentiment.

    Let me put to you in simple English that even a retard like you can understand. YOU are the one who is bringing the blog down.

    Just a couple of recent examples:
    1. YOU chased off RussianSB. A beautiful and interesting participant.

    2. YOU continue to be obsessed with putting women down that it is making all of us look like a bunch of fucking losers. Case in point, recently you started portraying SBs as cheap hookers who fuck many men during the day (look up the SB with 7 SDs). Of course this is so far from the truth that refuting it would be silly. However, if someone reading the blog believes it, then what does that make us? Cheap fucking johns. Thank you retard.

    Your presence here is so toxic to blog that it is simply amazing that it continues. Oh, I forgot, its YOUR blog.

    Enjoy :)

  587. Josh says:

    DarkHorseSD

    “The devasting effects of Mangina can be observed in many places, at many times, in many ways.”

    And you can see those manginas repeatedly uttering “yes dear” when they are together with these ungrateful women.

    The marketing of “trophy wife” to the rich men and “getting and keeping the girl” to men in general have been exceptionally successful phenomena in the western culture.

  588. Josh says:

    @DarkHorseSD

    I met a lesbian couple last night. I have been chatting with one of them for a while. The bisexuality did not come into discussion until at the last minute she asked me if she could bring her girlfriend along. Note: When I checked her profile back, she does have “Men, Women” in the Interest in field. My standard comeback on “can I bring my friend along” situations is to ask for the other girl’s photos. I liked her photo so I agreed.

    They came to dinner. I liked both of them but liked the friend better than the primary girl. I did not come out and say that. I want to see if I can get something going with the primary girl. There may be a threesome in the horizon…who knows?

  589. DarkHorseSD says:

    “I am amazed at the number who are constantly winning about their husbands while they spend the money, hang out with girlfriends or chase the metrosexual guys. Most of them have very hard faces and lines from years of scowling although they have the best bodies surgery can make. ”

    The devasting effects of Mangina can be observed in many places, at many times, in many ways.

  590. Josh says:

    Should I be surprised that the resident mangina makes a comment refuting my statement and FlyGirl jumped right in to agree with the resident mangine?

  591. FlyBoy says:

    @flyR:

    “”It would be nice to feature SA blog from time to time. Now THAT would help the sugar cause””

    Actually I think that what passes here is much more negative than the typical arrangement.

    Absolutely!

    Cheers :)

  592. DarkHorseSD says:

    Is the question “what arrangement are you looking for” copied and pasted by the escorts from the Tumblr site?

  593. flyR says:

    “”It would be nice to feature SA blog from time to time. Now THAT would help the sugar cause””

    Actually I think that what passes here is much more negative than the typical arrangement.

  594. Josh says:

    Like anything of this nature, the success or failure of SA TV will depend on how they do it.

    It took a long time to get sexual relations outside of marriage accepted by general public. It will take some time to get older man-younger women mutually beneficial relationships accepted by the society.

    If it is done with tact, it will benefit us. If not, then the results cannot be any worse than talk shows debacle.

    It would be nice to feature SA blog from time to time. Now THAT would help the sugar cause. 😉

  595. flyR says:

    SA TV – While a TV show , something like sex in the city dealing with arrangements could be OK, I imagine they will be able to avoid class and go for trampish.

    I doubt that it will result in much of a decline in the number of quality SB’s for a number of reasons.

    The prevailing hookup environment of most college campuses where sex is expected ,

    most young women are more socially advanced than their male contemporaries,

    the economy is not doing well and we can not continue with 1 tril deficits

    technology eliminating a lot of administrative jobs which have traditionally gone to recent
    grads

    jobs being outsourced to foreign countries reducing intern opportunities
    and

    the quasi legalization of perhaps 5 million illegals who compete for the part time jobs
    traditionally held by college students (in and out burger being a great exception)

  596. Josh says:

    @rembodler

    “Any one woman…would get boring sooner or later. Ask Josh.”

    I am not sure why you pointed to me for confirmation. Please elaborate. Thanks

  597. flyR says:

    @ Sexy- Just a note of caution that hopefully is not be applicable to your situation, frequently when someone goes from married to divorced or separated they suddenly see the whole world opened up and split with the person whom they have been having an affair with.

  598. PatientlyWaiting says:

    @UncommonSB I don’t know. I think its hard to judge someones character simply on cheating because there are so many more components that go into that besides character

  599. PatientlyWaiting says:

    DarkHorseSD says:
    April 17, 2015 at 9:27 am
    GP why provide what is not asked for? If Kenna wishes to make the major decisions in her relationship based on the poll results of blog weirdos rather than good sense and relationship skills, let’s not deny her that.

    This made me laugh. Do you not realize ALL of Kennas decisions are based on blog poll? That she wouldn’t even still be in her relationship if it was not for the blog? Lol

  600. KeKe says:

    It’s really hard to feel guilty about cheating when the person cares so little for you, that you doubt they care.

  601. rembodler says:

    Part of the problem are the definitions. If someone is not comfortable to be with a married man, they are looking for a boyfriend. No harm in that. It is just that some people do not consider it a SD/SB relationship. If I were truly single, I would look for a stable of SBs. Any one woman…would get boring sooner or later. Ask Josh.

  602. KeKe says:

    Love you too Sexy!

    Okay… I think we get stuck in a rut and it’s easier to not rock the boat at home and seek what we are missing elsewhere. I always wonder how little does my husband care if I can do overnights without question. I had a boyfriend for a couple years and he didn’t notice. I should have left. I didn’t have the guts. I planned to do the same thing this time. And then I meet my lover… See I’m not divorcing my husband because of him but I see that this man stayed with his wife for 26 yr (Cheated here and there) now at 52 ( 53 next month) he’s found happiness with me. This is nuts. I don’t want to be in my 50’s before I’m happy. Kids know when things are off. They sense the distance and dysfunction. Clearly I can not knock a cheating SD but it’s so much more to it than just sex. It’s hard to live with an emptiness that yearns to be filled. Some people can find that outside there marriage and still give the family what the need. And sometimes as my daddy would say, ” Its cheaper to keep her”

  603. Melissa says:

    So the quality of SBs and SDs on SA will be declining again soon. SA is apparently having a casting call for a new television series. Like really?! This is the dumbest thing ever….no quality SD/SB will participate (not that they should). All this ‘show’ is going to do is misrepresent the lifestyle and dilute the quality of sugar on the site…yet again. Who ever thought of this idea should be fired like yesterday. C’mon SA get it together. Its going to be a shit show.

    OK rant over

  604. UncommonSB says:

    @Keke Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion or contribution to a topic. What we’re not entitled to, is having everyone agree. I don’t claim to be the authority on anything. I just state my opinion, as we all can do.

  605. Josh says:

    She is hilarious

    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFjDvbDsyyg]

  606. sexyrockstar says:

    @keke
    LOVE YOU. MISS YOU

  607. Keke says:

    Am I allowed to jum into this conversation being a married SB with a married SD?

  608. sexyrockstar says:

    …. looks like my last post didn’t go through.

    I don’t feel comfortable putting drummers personal life on here, but what I can say is that he is taking steps for a divorce.

    He deserves to be happy. With or without me.

  609. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar “But the act could only last for so long before the kids would pick up on it. So, we broke up.”

    Exactly. Kids can understand and survive divorce if it’s handled responsibly and amicably. However, teaching by example that staying together with lack of intimacy and cheating… that will fuck them up.

  610. sexyrockstar says:

    @uncommon
    What if both mom and dad don’t love each other yet stay with each other?

    I have two kids myself and dad and I tried to make it work. Failed. I respect him and he respects me. we stayed together because it was convenient for us.

    But the act could only last for so long before the kids would pick up on it. So, we broke up.

    We co- parent very well because our focus/priority is the kids.

  611. UncommonSB says:

    Kids pick up on a LOT more than we think.

  612. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar “Hurting a family?
    What hurts more, seeing mommy and daddy fight due to each other’s unhappiness?
    Or
    Them getting divorced because they are unhappy?”

    I think the more appropriate question would be… What would I consider a good role model for a child to have?

    Someone who lives their life with integrity is the best role model a child can have. A parent who does everything possible to repair damage and solve problems, yet admits failure and remains honest, loving and respectful through it all. I’d rather witness affectionate interactions between my parents to build my personal foundation of what I perceive as ‘love’ vs having my dad disappear for late nights and business trips (sarcasm) and witness how they just put up with each other.

  613. Josh says:

    @ONSD

    Interesting observation. Do you show your disrespect towards them? 😉

  614. UncommonSB says:

    @ sexyrockstar “How old is your SD”

    My last SD, which lasted over a year, was 10 years older. I broke it off btw. I reactivated my profile a couple of months ago and pop in and out to check messages. I’d say my sweet spot for men that I find attractive has always been 10-15 years older, SD or in real life. I find it challenging to date men my age. I’ve been working since age 15, and have come a LONG way. I’m now a principal of a company, fully support a disabled mother and have two homes/mortgages. Most men my age aren’t on my level with personal life experience, much less being someone I can hold intelligent conversations with when I want to contemplate business decisions.

  615. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – I have to disagree slightly with you…I’ve been sitting here challenging myself because I wanted an example before I responded.

    I have at least 3 attorneys I TRUST, but do not respect. I cannot think of a single person I respect, but do not trust.

  616. Promise says:

    @Josh THAT’S BEAUTIFUL! ;~;

  617. sexyrockstar says:

    @uncommon
    Hurting a family?
    What hurts more, seeing mommy and daddy fight due to each other’s unhappiness?
    Or
    Them getting divorced because they are unhappy?

    Not hearing the fights vs. Hearing them fight?

    OR

    daddy is happy because he is happy. it’s not like he says
    “Sorry can’t make it to your soccer game because my mistress needs me”

  618. L says:

    “Flyboy” @11:45 am. I hate group B as well. The site runs rampant with them. Just wastes of time in my book. They are predominantly in the “negotiable” group

  619. sexyrockstar says:

    @Josh
    found a new club in the city to do shows at :)

    I’m on beast mode right now.
    If drummer and I end things, I’ll stop meeting SDs online. Can’t have my picture floating around. I’m going to be famous.

  620. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar “Being with a married sd is no different than being with a single sd.”

    We differ here. I don’t have to hide or sneak around. I like to play spontaneous dominant games that simply cannot be done with the restrictions of having to hide it. I also don’t have the guilt of knowing that I’m purposefully participating in potentially hurting someone on a really deep level or breaking up a family.

  621. sexyrockstar says:

    @uncommon
    How old is your SD

  622. sexyrockstar says:

    @rem
    I was just asking.
    Believe it or not there are a ton of girls who ask me for help and I shake my head.

    No. Not all young girls are stupid. I just simply asked what’s your age limit and why.

    @uncommon
    Drummer provides me so much more then dollars. You have no idea. Being with a married sd is no different than being with a single sd.

  623. Josh says:

    The core element of any relationship is RESPECT. Period! However, respect is a two-way street.

    RESPECT takes its roots–first and foremost–from accepting people as they are. You may choose to come closer or go apart…still respecting each other.

    Love, honesty, communication, empathy, trust, etc., come next. They can be empowering if mixed with bi-directional respect, and they can be detrimental to either or both parties, if the respect in not bi-directional in nature.

  624. UncommonSB says:

    @ONSD “I’m sorry you have such trust issues”

    No, I’m a realist. I understand and accept that the world is full of cheaters. Case in point… you. I do my best to avoid being part of the deceit. It’s not unavoidable, but I at least try to stay away from the nonsense and deal with honest people.

  625. UncommonSB says:

    @sexyrockstar “Hello dear. I’m pretty sure you think I’m a shitty person for sleeping with someone else’s man. But, I’m not.”

    I could care less what you do. It’s your life. We all have our own unique set of values. If you choose to date cheating men, and you get what you want out of it, have fun with it. Get your money honey, because they can offer you little else of value. If it makes you feel good, do it.

  626. rembodler says:

    @flyR – my profile is explicit for my age range
    @sexyrockstar

    “Johnny was a peculiar guy
    Brought up on love and the reasons why
    But the reasons why ought not to be said
    And so I’m left hands held to my head”…

    You are welcome to hold me in contempt/despise/loath. You are also also welcome to think that 18/19 yo are… what is that you said…oh – “…don’t know any better. Thus, having to spend/provide a minimum allowance while getting what they (I presume you mean “you”) want”.

    Are you really an SB guru, no… really?

    It is no more insightful than saying “The men who provide higher allowance are better”.

    I honestly cannot care less what women in their 30s think as to why men like me pursue 20-somes. If they think it is because the 20-somes are gullible and cheaper… I will let them have their delusions. Something along the lines of how “an experienced’ woman brings so much more to a relationship. I certainly read it somewhere… maybe on this blog.

  627. Josh says:

    @Sexyyyyyy!!!

    How is my favorite rockstar? :)

  628. sexyrockstar says:

    @flyr
    Email me love. I lost yours. Stupid technology :(

  629. flyR says:

    REmbodler – I assume your profile notes that you will NOT entertain any woman over X .

  630. flyR says:

    @ sexy “”But he would never because I would never make him feel unwanted”

    I have no idea of the stats or how you would get them but looking at my friends who played outside their marriage

    A. 70% were unappreciated, disrespected, cutoff , unwanted.

    A lot of days I’ll do a very early breakfast and then take a break midmorning to my favorite coffee shop on Montana in Santa Monica. It’s about the time the trophy wives are getting out of their spinning or yoga class. I am amazed at the number who are constantly winning about their husbands while they spend the money, hang out with girlfriends or chase the metrosexual guys. Most of them have very hard faces and lines from years of scowling although they have the best bodies surgery can make. My guess is that a lot of their husbands are here on SA or simply hiring an assistant at $10K over the going rate.

    Thankfully there also a number of women who are happy, smiling

    B. 30% were simply stupid jerks

  631. KennaKenna says:

    @PI point noted! We’re going to do it in a couple weeks instead of MDW because I really do not want to be showing and still want the day to be special, and not look pregnant when photographed(will be 18 weeks so crossing fingers).

  632. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @uncommon – I’m sorry you have such trust issues…I wish you luck in sugar, because trust issues that big will be difficult to overcome to keep things positive, regardless of his marital status.

  633. sexyrockstar says:

    @rembodler
    How old is too old for you.
    And why?

    There are only men who like the 18, 19 year olds because they don’t know any better. Thus, having to spend/provide a minimum allowance while getting what they want.

    Not saying that is you. just wondering.

  634. rembodler says:

    If ur profile says “30” I am not interested. Even if u look 18.
    If u deceive me by saying you are 25 to go on a date, and I see u r 36 (and I will see that), I will have to take an emergency call during our lunch and u will finish it alone.
    As soon as you are honest and say in your profile u r 36, I respect that. I just never click on it. I know, I know – I will never find out what is that I am missing. I am OK with that.

  635. PI Wolf says:

    @Kenna,

    If he wants a small legal ceremony first. DO IT and say YES! The reason is very simple (In My Opinion) – He wants the kid to be LEGITIMATE, and NOT A BASTARD. That is a very high sign of Self Repect, Respect to You and The Child !!!

  636. sexyrockstar says:

    Jjjjoooosssshhhhh.

    I love you
    ((Big hugs))
    How’s my favorite daddy :)

  637. sexyrockstar says:

    @Georgia
    If drummer does get divorced and him and I are together….

    If I’m loving on him and provide him with everything, he will give it back and then some.
    If I do that and he cheats; he’s a mother fucking punk.

    But he would never because I would never make him feel unwanted

  638. Josh says:

    Hahahaha. That’s why like FB around…

  639. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Fat
    I’ll be 62 next week (I cannot believe I just said that); I look 50, but sometimes wish I was 22. LOL Problem is that many of my “bones” sometimes tell me I could be 75. LOL

  640. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    I made a post about how my purse cost more then your rent and how there are Pokemon cards on it.

    I also have two Pokemon tattoos. I may be a hot bitch, but Pokemon is my life

  641. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Sexy
    Thanks for sharing. I do appreciate your candidness.

  642. sexyrockstar says:

    @FAT
    I’m 25 but I Look 24 😀

  643. FatB'StardSA says:

    @UncommonSB

    My Skype chat would also show I am not as attractive to women as my Gravatar is.

    Have a nice day :-).

  644. sexyrockstar says:

    Drummer is not around my kids for them to even know him.

    I have many friends. even if I had a traditional boyfriend, my kids wouldn’t even be around him unless things got real serious.

  645. FatB'StardSA says:

    @UncommonSB

    My Skype chat would reveal I am not delusional enough to believe I look 15-20 years younger…

    Have a nice day :-).

  646. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Sexy
    I am curious though. What you do tell your children about Drummer? OR do you tell them anything about him?

  647. sexyrockstar says:

    As I said:
    Not all married SDs are the same.
    But, don’t preach.

    Sugar is sugar. If anything makes someone uncomfortable, then move on.

  648. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Sexy
    I see where you are coming from. I do. But I think part of the issue that Uncommon has and I doo, too, at times, is that some of the SD’s come across as if they are “entitled” in some way to sleep around, have SB’s etc simply because their wives won’t “put out” for lack of a better term. I was brought up to try counseling, etc doing my best to work things out when there was a problem with my guy. But I do see what you are saying and if the wife truly is a piece of “shit” or whatever, then, I get it and the reason for a married SD to have an SB.

  649. Promise says:

    @Sexy yeah :3

  650. UncommonSB says:

    @Fat As unbelievable as it may sound, I speak the truth. I have nothing to prove, but I certainly can. Bring it. Whereas a quick Skype video chat would contradict the naysayers instantaneously… what will your live video stream reveal?

  651. sexyrockstar says:

    @uncommon
    Hello dear. I’m pretty sure you think I’m a shitty person for sleeping with someone else’s man. But, I’m not.

    He doesn’t get respect at home.
    His love language is physical touch:not just sex, but the hand holding, arm touching, and whatever. His wife hasn’t done that in years.

    Thus causing him to doubt himself. After attempts way before he ever met me, he finally just threw in the towel.

    This kind of home life can really hurt a man. He can become less productive at work, be less friendly, and be in a cloud of doubting themselves.

    A married SD may have kids, and chooses to put up with said wife for them. a great dad would be upset if he couldn’t tuck his kids in at night. a divorce would quickly lead to the whole “see the kids every weekend. ” his role as a FATHER now is way more important then his role to his wife.

    In comes the sugar baby.
    A woman who is there who RESPECTS him, caters to his love language. Gives him everything he needs to stay emotionally strong.

    He’s happy again. He starts doing fantastic at his job. Starts making more money due to being in a better mood. Just like a SB, he gets a sense of self worth again.

    I understand that married men who cheat are peices of shit, but what about their shitty wives? A wife needs to continue to help provide for the household, love on their husbands, cheer them on. BOTH PARTIES NEED TO RESPECT EACH OTHER IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK.

    Why bash a man without looking into the root cause? we all know shitty women. sometimes those are the ones who get married first.

    I refuse to be a bad lover. If I’m doing my job, and a man is still cheating….. then he’s just another stupid fucker.

    Does drummer spend money on me? Of course. Does it take away from the household? No. A man should never take away from his kids in order to provide for a sugar baby.

    Not all married sugar daddies are the same.

    (Mic drops)

  652. FatB'StardSA says:

    @UncommonSB

    It shows now. Your photos may look 15 years younger after some “enhancements” though…

  653. sexyrockstar says:

    @promise
    Did you make a Pokemon reference?

  654. UncommonSB says:

    @rem “And when i wake up and go straight to the mirror – it shows.”

    Perhaps by the time I’m 45, it will show. However at 36, I’m appalled by the laugh lines, crow’s feet and brow creases that people several years younger than me have, whilst I do not. Not sure if it’s hormones, avoiding the sun my whole life (I never purposefully tan, because I’m naturally tan, and always wear sunscreen when outdoors), or being vegetarian for 20 years… most likely it’s a combo of all of those things. But nevertheless, I’ve been lucky. No botox or other ‘help’ either thus far. I have nothing against cosmetic stuff, I just don’t want to change anything until there’s a reason to do so.

  655. rembodler says:

    @UncommonSB
    “… 36, but with zero wrinkles, weight fluctuates between 120-125lbs, same size 4 since high school (so not a haggardly big girl).”

    As Gregg House, MD says – “Everybody lies”… I want to believe that I am the same that I was in my 20s… everybody else tells me that… students mistake me for their new peer, when I enter the anatomy theatre to teach them… I was asked to show my ID when I was buying that bottle of vodka…
    It all is truth, nothing but truth so help me…But no, as my profile says, I am 45 this year. And when i wake up and go straight to the mirror – it shows.

  656. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    I honestly don’t know if that’s the case or not Josh. It sounds like they are trying to make Drs more human, since “bedside manner” has not been a Dr’s forte for some time. I’ve had Drs talk and act as they were a “god” and only they had the right answers – this as compared to the old “Marcus Welby” idea that we are all human. I am interested in Dr Fun’s take on this though because of his fuss about his high scores and how they didn’t seem to help him very much when he applied for scholarships/grants, etc. I have a distant cousin who got about a 32 or 34 on an MCat and is now in med school at VCU – he’s trying to decide what specialty he wants, though his prior goal was to be a Pediatrician, things have changed in his outlook. We’ll see. I don’t know that it was the MCat scores, but society that will do the feminist thing on this.

  657. Josh says:

    @GeorgiaPeach

    Sounds like it is another feminist victory geared toward giving women leg up by working “soft” skils testing into MCAT.

  658. Promise says:

    I’m waiting for a wild FunDude to appear so I can stare at his gravatar. 😉

  659. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @FunDude
    The med school entrance exam just got 3 hours longer. [http://fortune.com/2015/04/16/mcat-test-doctors-longer/]

    “Revamped in an effort to make doctors more human, the new MCAT test is seven and a half hours long. For 25 years, the Medical College Admission Test has remained mostly the same despite the vast advances in medical research and technology.

    That changes Friday when the Association of American Medical Colleges rolls out its new, longer MCAT to the estimated 85,000 wannabe doctors who will take the exam this year.

    Counting breaks, the new test will take seven and a half hours to complete, more than three hours longer than the old version, and will cover a broader set of disciplines than in the past. The new test has no essay portion but will include a new section on psychology, sociology, and the biological foundations of behavior. The overhauled exam will require test takers to demonstrate how well they can apply knowledge as opposed to simply measuring how skilled they are at memorizing it.”

    So, how do you think you’d do on it NOW?

  660. Promise says:

    We’re all in this together.
    -High School Musical

  661. rembodler says:

    @DHSD
    I did not say “Putin killed no one”.
    I said he did not kill anyone (specifically, the previous czar, Mr. Eltsin) to become one himself.

  662. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “Depends on how old you are. If you are over 35 and are still horny, then good for you… Spending too much time with a man is a sure recipe of getting annoyed and collecting disgust against him. Most women’s minds are toxic dump of things that should have been dealt with, and forgotten long time ago.”

    Ah, but I am not most women my dear. I am in fact old by blog standards… 36, but with zero wrinkles, weight fluctuates between 120-125lbs, same size 4 since high school (so not a haggardly big girl). I’ve also always had higher than normal testosterone levels, which may very well be a huge contributing factor to my youthful appearance, high libido and logical (vs emotional) approach to business, sex and relationships in general. I can compartmentalize them all, and have been told for years that I think like a man. I also like to be the dominant one in my relationships, it just took many years of denial before the acceptance phase, since it’s not traditional to be a woman who prefers this.

  663. DarkHorseSD says:

    Reading about honesty and transparency is awfully funny.

  664. Vic says:

    @gentleman soul

    Well said:”It is easier to be honest before the fact”..helps my dilemma..being married and all:)

  665. Josh says:

    @UncommonSB

    “I never lose the desire to have sex,”

    Depends on how old you are. If you are over 35 and are still horny, then good for you.

    ” but when I’m disgusted, annoyed, etc with my partner… I’d rather masturbate than touch him.”

    Spending too much time with a man is a sure recipe of getting annoyed and collecting disgust against him. Most women’s minds are toxic dump of things that should have been dealt with, and forgotten long time ago.

    “It’s the beginning of the end, and I end the relationship shortly thereafter.”

    Good for you. Most women do just that. But some stick around because they don’t want to go through another round of hypersex to entrap another man.

  666. DarkHorseSD says:

    Ummmm..Putin didn’t kill anyone?

  667. DarkHorseSD says:

    GudgementalSoul – so a boatload is well more than 7, right?

  668. Josh says:

    Women stopping to have sex and women cheating on their husbands are two challenges that belong in pretty much opposite ends of the spectrum.

  669. UncommonSB says:

    @ONSD “I’m not sure we’d get past a message or two if we were local enough to find each other in a search”

    True, being married is a non-starter. You may be an amazing person to be platonic friends with, but I could never be attracted to a cheater. I’ll always think that if you can lie and deceive your partner in life, you can sure as hell find justifications to start lying to me at any point. You may swear up and down that you never have sex with your wife and not seeing other SBs, therefore we’re pseudo monogamous, and I’m thinking… yeah, okay. It can’t be overcome.

  670. UncommonSB says:

    @Josh “this woman says that “meaningful relationship” is not based on “superficial things like sex””

    That’s ridiculous. I can’t speak for why a lot of women’s sex drive takes a nose dive, but when it happens to me… it’s because I’ve lost interest in general with my partner. I never lose the desire to have sex, but when I’m disgusted, annoyed, etc with my partner… I’d rather masturbate than touch him. It’s the beginning of the end, and I end the relationship shortly thereafter.

  671. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @uncommon – I’ve confronted wife about lack of action…told her I was sick of doing it myself and if she wasn’t going to do it I’d have to find someone who would…she may have laughed it off, and would probably be PISSED to find out I have, but, it’s the reality…

    I’m proud of the fact you have your standards and you’re not going to compromise those…it’s a sign of a strong woman…although, I’m not sure we’d get past a message or two if we were local enough to find each other in a search…

  672. Josh says:

    On 11:53 this woman says that “meaningful relationship” is not based on “superficial things like sex”. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_MlRswvpoI] I wonder how many women feel like that about sex.

  673. VZP says:

    Test test trying to comment not seeing them

  674. VZPhoenix says:

    I’ve never commented. I catch up and review the blogs. I find them helpful. I have been trying this out for about 6 months now. Still working out the kinks and learning the ropes.

    Today I am commenting in regard to an older blog now closed to comments “3 Tips For Negotiating An
    Allowance”
    @Peeps thank you so much for your comments. I was beginning to feel wrong and alone in this world. You have helped reassure me that I am on the right track. That I should not let the dirty competition out there deter me.

    @Josh thank you for having her back and providing perspective from both sides.

    I would copy and paste the comments but it’s mostly all of them lol. I just need to say thank you and I wish there was a “support group” blog of some sort for us newbies to reach out to.

    Given the amount of time I have been active on SA. I would say things are going well for me. Patients is something I need to work on but is only internally.

  675. UncommonSB says:

    “What I didn’t know didn’t hurt me -until I found out”

    Imagine how it would feel it were your wife with another man or two on the side. The crux of the issue is dishonesty and betrayal of trust. I don’t knowingly put myself or anyone I’m seeing in that position. I’d call it trying my best to live (and date) with integrity. I can consider an open SD/SB relationship, but only if all parties involved are transparent with all partners. If deceit is involved, I’m out. Come what may when being honest, but I’m willing to face the consequences of sharing my feelings and actions head on. I ended a 3 year relationship with a wonderful and successful man who wanted to marry me, because I knew he couldn’t meet my needs sexually in regards to kink. So I don’t care how much a married SD is offering, he’s simply not the ‘kind’ of man whose character I find appealing.

  676. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Melissa – exactly. When you take care of someone…THAT’s the commitment…if I’m giving allowance, paying bills, buying gifts, etc. THAT’s the commitment…and my expectations are as expressed…each can choose to accept the terms, attempt to renegotiate along the way or decline to continue…if something changes along the way, renegotiation is inevitable!

  677. peeps says:

    @rembodler

    You’re right, 2 months is the do or die cut off for SBd/SDs. I am almost at 1 month starting second month now, that is why I am trying to find someone else…the chemistry isn’t there to sustain long term.

  678. Melissa says:

    @ONSD
    That sucks! But that’s why you have sugar :)

  679. rembodler says:

    “Everybody lies”
    Dr.Greg House, MD.

  680. peeps says:

    @OnlineNewbieSD

    That’s irrelevant if you’re having sex with your wife. The wife has the trappings and the power. The bottom line is, if you’re not offering commitment you can’t demand it from someone else.

    I have also told POTs that while I am ok with them being married while I am single now (and I consider myself single if I have a SD because the relationship does not overtly lead to commitment). If I start dating someone I really like who has serious LTR potential in the real world, I will drop them, because – unlike them – I can’t be unfaithful in a serious relationship.

  681. gentleman soul says:

    @Uncommon @gentlemen People can demand anything they want on either side. It doesn’t mean they will get it, or that they are guaranteed transparency.

    So true, so we should ass-ume that our sugar relationships are not what they seem . Assume the worst,hope for the best . At the end my dear Sb of 1 1/2 yrs was seeing three of us . What I didn’t know didn’t hurt me -until I found out . Then she was out of there . She had to find another handful of SDs to provide her the $30 K

    @OLSD f it were happening at home, I wouldn’t be in sugar…

    That is pretty much all married SDs problem . The best way to ruin a good sex life is to get married .

  682. rembodler says:

    @peeps
    I think initially a complete NSA (whatever u do outside the hours you are seeing me is none of my business) is reasonable. After a couple of month- if we are there and still going strong- I would expect an honest discussion of who else is involved in this relationship besides the obvious players, what kind of protection we use or not use going forward, blood tests if so desired etc.

  683. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @uncommon – I understand your position…if it were happening at home, I wouldn’t be in sugar…I could HONESTLY tell a SB that I’m exclusive, in the last 5 years my wife and I have had sex 7 times, and that includes a weekend where we had sex twice…we’ve had sex twice in the last three years…

  684. UncommonSB says:

    @gentlemen People can demand anything they want on either side. It doesn’t mean they will get it, or that they are guaranteed transparency.

  685. gentleman soul says:

    @SouthernSB

    “Do something extra special for him tonight and promise him that you will never ever forget your ring again, and that should fix things up pretty handily” Sounds lovely but a BJ should do the trick ..

  686. gentleman soul says:

    @peeps

    “So I can’t be completely honest”

    Honestly,it is hard to be honest . peeps ,you have every right to run your life the way you want it to be . No point in judging .

    “I tell them they are married therefore they can’t demand exclusivity” Au contraire love,they are the ones paying so they can demand anything they want . But you have the ability to say “no ” In the end ,you want to treat them as you would want to be treated .

    I can’t be honest with my wife but I demand – and give honesty in my sugar relationships . It is easier to be honest before the fact .

  687. UncommonSB says:

    “our arrangement is on CURRENT TERMS, if those terms change, our arrangement will certainly change”

    I agree entirely with being transparent with everyone, including your loved ones. The hypocrisy of this statement coming from a married man who cheats on his wife (meaning without her knowledge) is not lost on me though :)

  688. SouthernSB says:

    @Kenna-Oh no, forgetting the ring is a huge no no!! Even though you honestly forgot it not having it makes you open to advances from other men. You have to understand how he feels, the idea of other men just trying their hand with you because you aren’t wearing your ring. Not only that not wearing your ring, in his subliminal mind, means that you don’t care about him enough to remember and that just shoots at the heart. Now I know none of this is true, but this is what men think, whether you want them to or not. It’s so complicated and silly. Do something extra special for him tonight and promise him that you will never ever forget your ring again, and that should fix things up pretty handily. But whatever you do don’t argue, it isn’t worth it.

  689. peeps says:

    @gentleman soul

    Re: attachment and exclusivity.

    I laugh when married men write to me saying they are looking for an “exclusive” arrangement. I tell them they are married therefore they can’t demand exclusivity. I have told SDs that I am also looking for a serious partner NOT on this site and that I am also dating (although not having sex) men in the real world and that no amount of money will buy exclusivity because unless it’s a ring on my finger, it’s not worth it. This – I have told them – is a temporary situation for me. “SB’ing” is not my career.

    I am looking for a second SD so I can drop my current but I won’t do that until I have the deal in place with the second and have slept with the second once just to be sure the chemistry is there. I have been talking to 4-5 and there are 3 that MAYBE could become #2…there is one I particularly like who is away, another I have a lot in common with who is on a business trip and another who wants something more casual but we haven’t met. However, regardless of how well the first meeting went, unless *they* make me a offer I am still with one person only.

    Yes I will have to lie to the POTs and say that I have already ended things with my current when I haven’t. But I have found on this site that interest and closing the deal are very different things. So I can’t be completely honest. The best SD is the one who delivers, not the one who talks.

  690. KennaKenna says:

    @gentleman

    I don’t think he’s insecure(maybe just a control thing$ and he is not quite a billionaire yet.

  691. gentleman soul says:

    @Kenna

    “I don’t get the big deal- thinks he just want to exude his control.”

    Insecure billionaire huh ? Who’d have thought ?

  692. KennaKenna says:

    So baby is growing but I am not. I just want a cute bump already!!! But on plus side, less weight to lose.

    I go to doc every week so I fully expected and accepted that he wouldn’t be able to make every single appointment because of course he is busy working. He ended up calling me on FaceTime and talked to me and doc the whole hour lol.

    And then he noticed I wasn’t wearing my engagement ring, I honestly forgot it on the sink at home but apparently that isn’t a good enough answer… He asked “Did you forget your phone?, Did you forget your purse? Did you forget your lipstick? No right?”

    So yes he is livid. I don’t think this is sabotage though- I honestly missed it from my finger after 5 mins in the car and kept rubbing my finger the whole way but did not want to be late for appointment.

    I don’t get the big deal- thinks he just want to exude his control.

  693. checkeredcab says:

    I’ve ended arrangements in the past because I found out something else was happening…it’s about the trust…if I can’t trust her, there’s no place for her…

    funny how married men who are cheating on their wives are all about the TRUST and NO LYING allowed or there is no place for that horrible sugar baby because she is not telling you EVERYTHING, and she is not even one of the ones who took the vow to stay faithful. how ironic. LMFAO!

  694. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @gentleman has a HUGE point…I’ve had SBs in the past that had a bf, or a husband…but I KNEW…and every SB I’ve had KNEW I was married. As I’ve said to a couple of pots over my search “I’m okay with you having a bf/hubby, but you need to tell me if you’re looking for someone else. It’s MY CHOICE if I want to continue to be involved with you if you’re going to potentially be with someone else…just like I’ll tell you if I’m looking for another SB and it would be YOUR choice at that point to continue seeing me…our arrangement is on CURRENT TERMS, if those terms change, our arrangement will certainly change”

    I’ve ended arrangements in the past because I found out something else was happening…it’s about the trust…if I can’t trust her, there’s no place for her…

  695. gentleman soul says:

    @UncommonSB

    “I don’t think it should be his business who she goes home to or her having other SDs either.”

    There are degrees of NSA of course ,but it is his business to know what his exposure is in terms of STDs,wacko BFs,etc. All SBs should be entitled to knowledge of her SD’s partners as well. I make it clear to my SBs that I am married .

    An example :SD#1 was busted by SD#2 seeing the same SB because of jealousy.

  696. rembodler says:

    @DHSD
    The King= rich SD
    The Dogs= his money
    The Fox= young pretty and money hungry SBs
    The hunter = middle class SD who has to use means other than money to secure high quality SBs
    Hope it helps.

  697. rembodler says:

    Dear SouthernSB. Forgive me, but your notion of Kings is somewhat outdated. Modern Kings have other ways and “off with his head”, while still used, might not necessary be common. Mr. Putin (a czar of Russia) did not have to do it; neither did the Sultan of Brunei.
    But as Josh will undoubtedly point out, we digress. Me too, I would rather talk about young and available women than rich men.

  698. DarkHorseSD says:

    Who’s the king the fox the hunter the dog?

  699. FlyBoy says:

    @SouthernSB:

    @Remb-Everyone knows how the King became the King. He offed the last king in the war against the old monarchy. No king becomes king without 86ing the old king.

    Funny you said that! As a matter of fact we did kill a thriving industry and replace it with something new.

    Cheers :)

  700. SouthernSB says:

    @Remb-Everyone knows how the King became the King. He offed the last king in the war against the old monarchy. No king becomes king without 86ing the old king.

  701. UncommonSB says:

    “I get very attached to an SB I have sex with for an hour or two weekly. But in the end I have to go home to my wife and family. How attached should we get ?”

    I think if an SB has a married SD, she should be okay with this perspective. It is what it is. In turn, I don’t think it should be his business who she goes home to or her having other SDs either. And for the record, no, I don’t juggle multiple SDs and don’t date married men in any capacity.

  702. gentleman soul says:

    @KennaKenna
    Wow, I met a SB last night, nice girl but being with 7 guys to get 20k month is never good no matter which way you look at it.

    Sweetie ,she’s an escort . That’s what they do.

    How do you build something with someone 4 hours per week, I’m assuming that they don’t trxt/talk much when apart.

    Kenna,you are confusing your great experience with what most guys are looking for . We want to get laid on a regular basis with someone we can feel attached to in some NSA way . And someone who is not banging boatloads of other guys . SA is not Match or POF. It is purely and simply a hookup site for most people .

    I get very attached to an SB I have sex with for an hour or two weekly. But in the end I have to go home to my wife and family. How attached should we get ?

  703. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Dark – love it…

  704. Josh says:

    Poetic indeed.

  705. DarkHorseSD says:

    Just heard the CDC has found the more money you have the better you sleep.

    The more you sleep with me the more money you have. 😉

    FunDude?

  706. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @DH & @rem – Another good test is when they schedule the coffee (first) meeting for about a week out and then disappear from the conversation (even though the profile is constantly online)…

  707. FlyBoy says:

    @rembodler;

    Fair enough.

  708. Josh says:

    The above is in response to @rembodler’s comments about king, hunter and foxes.

  709. Josh says:

    Now that’s some deep shit to ponder over.

  710. FlyBoy says:

    @Josh:

    @FlyBoy is a woman posting as a man for whatever reason.

    What a sad little clown!

  711. rembodler says:

    @FBoy.
    I guess, my point is that pretty much any woman can be secured with enough allowance. A King does not have to be very good at hunting a fox, that is what his dogs and servants are for. A commoner hunter has to be very good at hunting a fox. They both can hunt down the same fox, but I am not very interested in how a King did it, just how a hunter did. I will be interested to know how a King get to where he is; just not him bragging about hunting a few foxes down.

  712. Josh says:

    @FlyGirl

    “There is nothing uglier than a woman acting like a man”

    We agree here. 😉

  713. FlyBoy says:

    @rembodler:

    I think it is fairly easy to figure out a professional from a (highly desirable) SB.
    I would also venture a guess, that, while not unimportant, allowance is not the major element in securing the later vs. the former.
    I suspect a FlyBoy character will disagree with this notion.

    Why “venture a guess”? Why don’t you tell us *your* real life experience with SBs.

    For the record here again is my position:

    1. Allowance.
    2. No allowance; is ok as long as one is clear about it.

    Many of the men, as they themselves report on the blog, are vague about the allowance. They do this, I suspect, for one of two reasons:

    A. They want to use the possibility of an allowance to game SBs.

    B. They hate being here and having to ‘pay’ for it, but they have no other choice. They understand their situation and are willing to ‘pay’ but they don’t want it to be in their face. The end result is they adopt the ridicules position that a pot SB has to assume all the risk and wait until they give her without her talking bringing up.

    The last group is the only one that earns my contempt. Why? Because I despise weak men. Emotions are for women, period.

    There is nothing uglier than a woman acting like a man, except a man acting like a woman.

    SBs are advised to avoid group B like the plague. They are little insecure men no SB can satisfy. The easiest way to discover who they are is to bring up the allowance early.

    Cheers :)

  714. Promise says:

    Btw to anyone that was curious I never gave me speech on Thursday because we ran out of time. My teacher talks a lot.

  715. DarkHorseSD says:

    GJ ! Love it !

  716. rembodler says:

    @DHSD. Some of my tests are fairly discrete and I will be uncomfortable sharing them at the public forum. Although, I suspect, if I were a bit more blaze and just blurted it out (and not ended up moderated) you would say, “but, of course/duh”.
    I guess, the obvious one, someone who is used to be payed by hour will have hard time letting go and will feel underpaid “in real time”.

  717. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Promise – I wouldn’t classify the guys that are with the tumblr girls as SDs, they’re really GJ (gullible john) because they’re NOT getting a relationship with the guy, they’re getting cash for spreading their legs…there’s a difference, even if it is subtle.

  718. Josh says:

    @rembodler

    @FlyBoy is a woman posting as a man for whatever reason.

  719. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Dark – that’s why I would never look at profiles that hadn’t been active for over a week (and it got down to 24-hours in some cases) and I would even focus on the ones that were relatively “new”, because you’re right…if she’s been a member since June of 2012 and her profile text still says “I’m a 18yo collage student” even though her profile details now say 21…she’s got to be an escort!

    @Kenna wouldn’t let those kind of details go without being updated…and when I’ve given feedback on profiles, I’ve often included the fact there is NO REASON to say your age in the text, since you’ve got it in the profile details…

  720. Promise says:

    @Southern I’m honestly surprised some of them even have SD’s.

  721. DarkHorseSD says:

    Remb tells us your methods.

  722. rembodler says:

    I think it is fairly easy to figure out a professional from a (highly desirable) SB.
    I would also venture a guess, that, while not unimportant, allowance is not the major element in securing the later vs. the former.
    I suspect a FlyBoy character will disagree with this notion.

  723. DarkHorseSD says:

    Interesting and quite serious new flaw in the SA website.

  724. DarkHorseSD says:

    SB Membership is irrelevant. Active SB Membership is relevant.

    An escort will be Active on SA continuously for 5 years.

    A Kenna will be Active on SA one month out of every 18 months.

    The Survival Bias of trashy profiles is so high, it devastates the searches results.

  725. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Kenna
    Hey, will give you another chance for another nice, beautiful, appropriate dress, SHOES, a few flowers and all his attention in a most romantic way. I’m sure he’ll be most appreciative too. And then, you’ll have 2 anniversaries. LOL. I had 2 engagement stories… one we told our parents.. and the other one. LOL

  726. KennaKenna says:

    MDW- Memorial Day Weekend

  727. KennaKenna says:

    @peeps yes that’s one of his reasons too. He didn’t tell me but he is probably somewhat worried because I’m epileptic and anything can happen through childbirth even though doc said he’s very confident everything will go smooth.

  728. DarkHorseSD says:

    “I’ll do what he wants, ”

    I don’t know what MDW means, but ‘yes dear’ serves well and cheaply in relationships.

  729. KennaKenna says:

    @Dark lol. I was a NYC girl up to a few months ago and have met that type– but I never even thought about it like that. My rule was always to let him end the date- I would be available 98% of time and be that girl that asked him to stay 5 more minutes when he’s about to leave(until I started sleeping over then I would ask for one more round before we both went to work).

    How do you build something with someone 4 hours per week, I’m assuming that they don’t trxt/talk much when apart.

    But yes I know that type very well. My man found out an SB from 4/5 years agowas taking guys to the apartment he was paying for lol… A swanky Park Avenue pad…I still laugh at that lol

  730. peeps says:

    @kenna

    I think he’s right…you know, when it comes to hospital visits when the baby is born…he is not only the father but your (legal) husband and therefore protector…he can tell the nurses and doctor “I am her husband”… and make decisions that impact your and the baby’s well being. That’s when it really matters to be married, I think. (Although I have never been married).

    In that case “fiancée” could be interpreted as you are only getting married because he got you pregnant…which is not the case…not that it’s anyone’s business…

  731. KennaKenna says:

    I’ll do what he wants, but before MDW so I won’t be really showing. Well now, I’ll have two anniversaries- two sets of flowers and presents

  732. DarkHorseSD says:

    Kenna, by the way, going back to the time for anything else comment…

    Every one of these girls, with no job, brand new to NYC, no friends, social contacts… Has an absolutely busy and full schedule, always off to something else…

    Suspicious?

  733. SouthernSB says:

    It’s hard out there for a SD, but I still think the Tumblr girls are hilarious.

  734. DarkHorseSD says:

    Apparently the word “Arrangement” means appointment or booking for sexual services. 😮

  735. DarkHorseSD says:

    SD: What type of relationship are you open to?

    SB: An arrangement. When we arrange to meet at our convenience, enjoy each other time and have mutual benefits.

  736. DarkHorseSD says:

    Weirdo @DarkHorse also agrees with weirdo @Josh, @GP and @Melisa

  737. Promise says:

    “Do you guys think it’s important to be married before baby comes?”
    In my opinion yes, but I’m an old school thinker when it comes to that stuff.

  738. Josh says:

    Weirdo @Josh agrees with weirdo @GeorgiaPeach.

  739. Promise says:

    Read an interesting piece on raising the minimum wage to $15 for fast food workers.

  740. Melissa says:

    @Kenna
    I don’t see why there is any hesitation. You don’t need to understand why. He wants to get married, you’re engaged to him, you’re still getting the big day DO IT.

  741. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Dark
    I think Kenna needs to follow her heart and the genuine request of her SD. If he wants to get married in a simple ceremony before baby gets here and it would please him and she’s ok with it, then she should. Not make a big deal out of it.

  742. Lana says:

    On blog post: It’s coming up on the 1 year anniversary of the “event”
    When I first saw and fell in love with V’s must-have visor!

    All right guys if ever you’re in Houston and you see a woman with a visor to block this blazing sun, *wink wink nudge nudge* make the first move. 😉
    I’m probably the only one who still wears it nowadays.

  743. DarkHorseSD says:

    GP why provide what is not asked for? If Kenna wishes to make the major decisions in her relationship based on the poll results of blog weirdos rather than good sense and relationship skills, let’s not deny her that.

  744. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Kenna
    At your SD’s age and perhaps the way he was brought up, it may be very important to him to be married. I was wondering about that issue since you said early on that he wanted to be married before the baby got here. If it pleases him, I’d do it – who will it harm? And he’s promised you the big affair in Feb anyway. And he’ll feel that your baby is “legal” without a possible “stigmatism” of being a bastard child – he may have issues with that…

  745. DarkHorseSD says:

    Luck? I’m someone’s Monday night and someone’s Friday night lately.

    Just delusionally looking for better.

  746. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Do you guys think it’s important to be married before baby comes?”

    No.

  747. DarkHorseSD says:

    Kenna, I’m not understanding your logic.

    4hrs…that’s generous by the standards in NYC.

    The girl you met with after my date last night could easily be my date from last night 😉

  748. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – there could be a perception thing he has with the ‘illegitimate’ label because it was before you were married, but that would happen anyways, since you weren’t married for at least 9-months before baby is here (in my opinion)

  749. Catcher-22 says:

    Donald Sterling and Shelley Sterling. = EXHIBIT A. and. EXHIBIT B in the case for Class Warfare.

  750. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – I AM very happy…sometimes I have to remind myself it’s only been a couple of weeks…I’m still hoping she’ll actually continue to talk while she’s at home and we’ll go right back to things as we’ve had when she comes back for the summer semester…I’m getting her a phone so we can “play” while she’s at home for three weeks…Here’s hoping it’s as fun as you’ve said!

    Haven’t seen @ATL or @Dazed in a while…hopefully that’s because they’re sugar busy and happy?

    Can try to send some sugar luck to @Dark, but it seems he gets his already, just in a different way than I’m looking…

  751. KennaKenna says:

    Do you guys think it’s important to be married before baby comes?

    He keeps saying we should have a very small legal ceremony before baby gets here MDW but I really don’t understand urgency. I don’t want to sabotage and he said I’ll still get “my big day” next winter but I still don’t understand.

  752. Catcher-22 says:

    V = Blood Sucking. LEECH

  753. KennaKenna says:

    @ONSD

    You sound really happy- I’m sooo happy for you- send some good sugar look @Dark’s way.

    And again thanks for WeVibe suggestion- it is the best! He comes home today— ahhh I’m soooo excited!

  754. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – it is NOT uncommon for a SB on SA to put a time limit on get togethers…it is a red flag to me, and usually a deal-breaker because it SCREAMS escort…

  755. Josh says:

    SBs used to talk about Loubs as if they were selling at Payless.

    The resident mangina misses those days and reminds us from time to time that many SBs left the blog because the format changed.

    I do miss the frequent cum talks though.

  756. KennaKenna says:

    @Dark

    4 hours really? Wow- only 4 hours a week? I hope you guys don’t run into any SBs like that- as I said she was VERY attractive.

  757. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Dark – I’m not sure about that…she is a bit inquisitive, but she is offended by the flash and show of the Tumblr-crowd…I think it actually works against her a bit, because I temper my giving so that she doesn’t feel like she’s being treated like that…instead of a fistful of Benjamins, a gift of a box of teas with some cash hidden among the teas, a coffee blend that would go well with her type of cream and some cash rolled into the coffee bag closure…some clothes off her wish list…a gift card to one of the places she has a wishlist because there was a special and she didn’t have enough selected to meet the special (VS panty deal)…she’s happy, I’m ecstatic…next week we’re going to see each other almost every day (it’s exam week and she’ll be back home for three weeks before the summer semester starts)…

  758. DarkHorseSD says:

    “Josh says:
    April 17, 2015 at 8:11 am
    Little over a year ago, this blog used to look like Tumblr blogs. 😉 ”

    It sure did.

  759. DarkHorseSD says:

    Example the other day of an “SB” who wanted to get together. The discussion was she was going to spend the night after we had drinks and dinner.

    She’s new at this and mentioned she had to get to class at 8pm before we met up. Of course she lost track of her story and she
    lost the date.

  760. Josh says:

    Little over a year ago, this blog used to look like Tumblr blogs. 😉

  761. DarkHorseSD says:

    Josh, MANGINA is completely killing it for the decent, legit guys.

    The tanning session appointment is inevitably mentioned just after the guy cums. Before that, she had all night to spend with him.

    You suck at being an “SB”.

  762. DarkHorseSD says:

    ONSD, it won’t be long before you will need to find another pre-Tumblr SB.

  763. Josh says:

    “I have a tanning session in 15 mins.”

    I have stopped making appointments with SBs when they have to be “somewhere” right after me.

    My requirement is that they need to have at least one hour of gap between the time she leaves my company to be wherever she needs to be.

    The reason it came about was when they would be habitually late with me and then MUST be on time to the appointment after me.

    Here I expect the resident mangina to point out that it is me and never the SBs.

  764. DarkHorseSD says:

    Kenna, come on. 7 dates @4hrs each (being generous) is 28/hr/wk of “work”. A lot of that “work” occurs during meals. And YOU don’t understand how someone could have time for anything else? 😮

  765. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Josh – hahahaha – yeah, they are! Yesterday I was with student and she said, “I’ve been reading more blogs about sugar…I feel so dirty now even being a part of this after reading what some of these other girls do…pictures of manicured nails with $100 bills spread out like cards…stories of how easy it was to get stuff from guys…you don’t feel I’m like that do you? I know I can be a bit of a brat, but I’m not like THAT, right?”

    It was ADORABLE, since she’s shared a couple of wish lists with me and appreciated a couple of off-list gifts (like tea and coffee) that were because I was listening and compiling her “likes” into something for HER.

    I told her NO, her “brat” was actually just cute to me, as long as it stayed at this level…

  766. KennaKenna says:

    @ONSD @Dark

    I don’t understand how she has time for anything else in her life. I’m so weird I wouldn’t be into a SD who is okay with me having someone- I like to belong to ONE person and let them have 100% control so even if I could stomach the multiple SDs, the dynamic doesn’t work for me.

  767. Josh says:

    @DarkHorseSD

    They’re reading Tumblr.

  768. DarkHorseSD says:

    I got that, Southern. Deep.

  769. SouthernSB says:

    @ss1959-What is she, a SB or a Supreme Court Judge?

  770. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Dark – I bet they make an app for all that juggling that must be done for the schedule to work out…

  771. DarkHorseSD says:

    Exactly, ONSD, the pool is loaded with ones trying to do 4 and 5 meets a day. A little bite, quickie and done… “I have a tanning session in 15 mins.”

    What is amazing is how consistent it is across them all. Like they are reading some “how to” web sites 😉

  772. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Dark – I was giving her the benefit that she might spend lunch through breakfast with each guy…but…you’re right…I had someone contact me that through the first 5 messages after we decided to meet for coffee couldn’t remember what day, or time, and then wanted to know how long I thought coffee would last…yeah, she’s probably stacking and packing for the hourly crowd!

  773. DarkHorseSD says:

    This dinner mooch from last night has no job, a 2000$ apt, and fancy clothes (the pants were fancy too.)

    In he supposed midst of a job search AND an SD search, she is taking off on a 5 day trip to South America.

    That’s true dedication to make life work when you’re in your mid 20s just starting out. 😉

  774. DarkHorseSD says:

    ONSD, “Work”? Are you kidding me. Work is an 8+hr shift on your feet for $140 gross.

    You’ve all left out the Afternoon + Evening SD = 14 slots/week

    10 SDs with time off run in parallel.

    Changes, alternate requests for time, etc… There is a “white” lie for every scenario.

  775. BethSB says:

    KennaKenna says:
    April 17, 2015 at 5:29 am
    Wow, I met a SB last night, nice girl but being with 7 guys to get 20k month is never good no matter which way you look at it.

    Very attractive blonde girl but sugar is her full-time thing(she literally said she has designated nights for each one of them, that’s why she can’t have 10). It certainly made me wonder if that’s sugar or…. Now I just feel so lucky to have someone so great here.
    ………………………………………….

    That can never be healthy. Not good at all.
    I can’t imagine having so many guys all at once. That’s insane.

  776. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @Kenna – I believe there are a significant number of profiles on here living that same type of life (multiple SD, up to one per night each week)…I agree with you, Sugar should not BE life…Sugar should ADD TO life. That would be difficult, if one of her SD decided to move on…or wanted more than one night in a week…or wanted to take her on a trip…What if she looks for a replacement after losing one and the “new guy” could only make Thursdays work when she lost her “Monday Man”? Seems like WAY TOO MUCH work and trouble to deal with!

  777. DarkHorseSD says:

    Ok, F^ck iOS yet again..

    Anyway, still wondering what is out there for the lesbians.

  778. DarkHorseSD says:

    KennaKenna says:
    April 17, 2015 at 5:29 am
    Wow, I met a SB last night, nice girl but being with 7 guys to get 20k month is never good no matter which way you look at it.

    Very attractive blonde girl but sugar is her full-time thing(she literally said she has designated nights for each one of them, that’s why she can’t have 10). It certainly made me wonder if that’s sugar or…. Now I just feel so lucky to have someone so great here.
    xxxxxxx

    Yet that type of operation is very commonplace (I’ve met more SBs than you have. 😉 )

    None of our blog SBs opted for the high money, multi guy scenario, even the younger ones, however the batshit crowd didn’t report in. Yet I know the bulk of what you find on a search of SBs is that.
    KennaKenna says:
    April 17, 2015 at 5:29 am
    Wow, I met a SB last night, nice girl but being with 7 guys to get 20k month is never good no matter which way you look at it.

    Very attractive blonde girl but sugar is her full-time thing(she literally said she has designated nights for each one of them, that’s why she can’t have 10). It certainly made me wonder if that’s sugar or…. Now I just feel so lucky to have someone so great here.

  779. DarkHorseSD says:

    Was Yogi Berra a sugar baby in his day?

  780. Josh says:

    @ss1959

    ROTFLMAO!

    There you go…it’s a man’s job to provide her what she wants, which she does not know that she wants until she has it.

    However, brave yourself for the accusation of misogyny due to the act of quoting that verbatim.

  781. ss1959 says:

    Quote of The Day: “I’m not exactly sure what I’m looking for in terms of an arrangement, but I’m the type of person who knows what she wants once she has it.”

  782. KennaKenna says:

    Wow, I met a SB last night, nice girl but being with 7 guys to get 20k month is never good no matter which way you look at it.

    Very attractive blonde girl but sugar is her full-time thing(she literally said she has designated nights for each one of them, that’s why she can’t have 10). It certainly made me wonder if that’s sugar or…. Now I just feel so lucky to have someone so great here.

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  784. FunDude says:

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  785. BethSB says:

    They were bad together from the beginning. I swear people’s chemistry radars malfunction at times or they’re just oblivious.

  786. GeorgiaPeach says:

    @Josh
    I’m with you on both counts. It sounds like Sterling is now doing what he’s being told to do, no doubt from the possibility of dementia or such creping in and Stiviano must be one Capitol “Bitch”

  787. Josh says:

    I have no sympathies for Sterling. Based on what I have read so far, he is a certified ass.

    However, Stiviano is an idiot and deserves to lose every single one of Sterling’s pennies.