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“It’s over.” Ending a Sugar Relationship

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One tricky topic I’d like to discuss is the proper way for a Sugar Daddy to end a Sugar relationship. Unfortunately, there is no easy or straightforward way to do it. Depending on the type of Sugar relationship, this should be handled differently. Let’s consider the different types of Sugar relationships, and how to end them when necessary.

Not Needing NSA

No strings attached arrangements should be the easiest to leave—as long as you made this exit strategy preference clear in the first place. Thousands of people are looking for NSA relationships on SeekingArrangement, and this arrangement type is recommended for beginners. Why? It requires the least amount of commitment, and you’re less likely to be uneasy when the arrangement comes to a close.

ending nsaTry this: Make sure your SA profile clearly states you are into no strings attached relationships. During your first encounter, it should also be made clear that things won’t get serious, and that you want them to stay that way.

Never break things off in a private place. When it comes time to end an arrangement, take her somewhere fun and explain that you’ve enjoyed the arrangement, but must bring it to an end. Clearly refer to your profile and how upfront you were about the situation. Things should go smoothly since you were never looking for anything serious, and chances are that if she agreed to it, she wasn’t either.

Separation from Short-term

“Short-term” could mean a week or a month, but a connection was made and you saw this Sugar Baby on a regular basis. By regular, this means you were texting, sending emails, and rescheduling the next date during your last date. Maybe you aren’t vibing, or you found someone new. Either way, you should end the arrangement earlier rather than later.

ending itTry this: Schedule a meet, but bring her to a show. Take her somewhere elegant, where she can enjoy the experience, but where you aren’t forced to make meaningless filler conversation. After the show, give her a reasonable allowance, and explain that it’s time for you to seek something different.

Leaving Long-term

So you found yourself in a long-term arrangement. Perhaps it was with a kept Sugar Baby, or maybe it was an extended extramarital affair. Most long-term relationships come to an end because, well, everyone is a little picky, right? Most importantly, you want to keep the girl from going crazy, causing a scene, or contacting your wife.

ending long termTry this: If you aren’t happy with your arrangement, don’t keep it a secret! Drop hints first — it’s never okay to be all about her one day, then extremely cold and disinterested the next. When you are ready to end it, treat her to a nice dinner, and buy her those Chanel glasses she can’t stop talking about. Explain to her why the arrangement needs to end and be sure to gift her with a generous allowance so she’ll have funds to make ends meet until her next arrangement.

Arrangements will come and go, just like any relationship; it’s normal. But arrangements don’t need to end on terrible terms. If issues occur on SeekingArrangement after you have ended things, the “Block this member” feature on a user’s profile may be your best friend. And please don’t hesitate to report a member or contact our Customer Support Team if needed.

How do you typically end a Sugar relationship?


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542 Responses to ““It’s over.” Ending a Sugar Relationship”

  1. Dovetail says:

    Who cares about the location when ending a relationship? I don’t need you to take me to dinner to break up with me. Honestly I do not appreciate dramatically dancing around the issue. Just be honest and to the point about it. No severance pay please. I’m not a street hooker and I don’t need someone making me feel cheap. If I was with you in the first place it wasn’t about your wallet, that was just an added perk. But the whole severance pay thing is like a slap in the face.

  2. Josh says:

    @Dirk

    SA does a great job of egging these SBs to demand stuff from SDs as well.

  3. Dirk says:

    It is so obvious this was written by a woman with an bad case of entitlement. Take her someplace elegant, buy her chanell glasses, give her a generous allowance Get real, when girls want to end it they just block you and dont respond. So if a woman wants to end it are you going to say “give him the best sex ever for free, fuck him really good and give him a BJ to hold the poor guy over” No wonder there are so many overweight unattractive nieve girls on here who think you are going to give them 500 for meeting for lunch. Im done!!!

  4. Devin Spicer says:

    I want off of this scam website you can’t message unless you pay please delete me cause there is no button for me to do it myself

  5. Cryptic Anomaly says:

    For me it would be the same with a “normal” relationship or SD/SB, I wouldn’t want to be given bad news when I am somewhere in public or just after they have done something special for me to try and supposedly make it easier for me to handle or to relieve themselves of guilt.

    Just send me a text, an email, it doesn’t matter over is over and I would prefer to get the bad news alone and at home.

  6. tsBlonde says:

    It can be a difficult thing ending an arrangement but you need to remember that it’s only an arrangement and it’s enviable that things are going to end at some point in time.

  7. Alexis says:

    Rachel,
    Thank you for trying to help. It’s appreciated; however, ever since I opened this profile I have always made it clear that I don’t do P2P or married men. No one READS profiles though lol. They just write based on my pics… which yes, are decent and well-clothed.

    It’s just my region. They are broke, so P2P is something they can actually swing… ONCE haha. I had heard this from many SBs before, but I honestly didn’t believe it. I thought they were just whining. Nope, the poor babies weren’t just whining, my bad.

  8. Rachel SB says:

    @Alexis – If you are running into more guys that are into P4P, revamp your profile. I might be reading too much into your comment, but if the ratio leans towards P4P guys then there is something in your profile that leads them to believe you are game for that. Make it clear that you are NOT. You will always get people that don’t read your profile and just reach out to you based on your appearance, but it shouldn’t be a reoccurring theme.

  9. Alexis says:

    “I have enjoyed getting to know dozens of other guys who like to pay for play. Sadly, most of them are NOT Sugar Daddy material though as they want a new girl almost every time.”

    Like so many “SDs” on here, hehe.

  10. abaddon says:

    The best way to end an arrangement is to help the SB find a replacement for you. Just a thought. Introduce her to a friend. The problem is that most SDs are too timid and they stay in the shadows. I have enjoyed getting to know dozens of other guys who like to pay for play. Sadly, most of them are NOT Sugar Daddy material though as they want a new girl almost every time.

  11. SugarySpicey says:

    Rachel, I agree completely! The difference in the bowl: marketing, research, and diligence.

  12. Rachel SB says:

    To all the ladies with the questions about how to start. A WHILE back when Midwest, NYC SB and I were on here they saved some blogs on the best practices for all aspects of the sugar world (profiles, staying safe, how to tell the fakes/flakes from the real SD’s and more).

    My advice:
    1. Check the archives… E V E R Y T H I N G is in there.
    2. Don’t expect handouts.
    3. Show that you ARE committed to being a SB and doing the work first.
    YES it takes time to go through the archives, but, when you ask for specific help we are more than willing and happy to help. We were all new once and remember how daunting it was.

    Think of it this way. If you don’t take the time to understand and learn the sugar world, what kind of time and energy will you take to learn and understand your SD?

    Another way to think of it – If I’m going to hire you as lets say my assistant, I would expect (or verified via past experience) that you know how to be a proficient assistant right? I shouldn’t have to teach you bit-by-bit how to be an assistant (how to do an expense report, book fare, use excel, word, powerpoint or anything else related to said job). I might however have to show you how my company varies from others.

    This isn’t something that should be a whim.

    Study the archives like it’s your part-time job (obviously separately from your full-time job), learn from them! We will be here to help fill the gaps…. but you have to earn that help.

    I may sound harsh, but I’m only helping you. You will learn a TON!

    Enjoy the sugar bowl! :)

  13. Shaunessy says:

    I think leaving her with something to hold her over is a good gesture, A lot of SBs probably would use blackmail as a way or getting every last penny you have before you leave them high and dry ..those of course are the ones that typically are the ones who are greedy, asking for way too much in the beginning .sad.

  14. Alexis says:

    @Ddear

    Nice part in your hair hun.

  15. Alex says:

    Is it wrong that as a SB, I will only enter an arrangement if we get along as real friends and secretly hope to fall in love with a SD one day?

  16. Ddear says:

    @alexis It’s not any less true just because it’s not your personal experience…

  17. Elisa Day says:

    You guys just made my day… 😀 it took me 45 min to read all the comm., but it was worth it :DD

  18. Kms2014 says:

    “Ddear says:
    September 17, 2014 at 6:06 pm
    @alexis “Yes, you’re in the wrong place if you don’t wish to provide sexual interaction which is part of any arrangement just as it’s part of any “normal” relationship. Do you think a man would just pay you to simply exist?”

    But dDear…if you read some of Alexis’ other posts, they say she wants a 40 year old virgin SD, so go figure 😉

  19. Josh says:

    @Ddear says:

    “mine does :/ so…*cough* not that I enjoy not having sex for the past 3 months.”

    In Total Recall there was a chick with three boobs. 😉

  20. Ddear says:

    @alexis “Yes, you’re in the wrong place if you don’t wish to provide sexual interaction which is part of any arrangement just as it’s part of any “normal” relationship. Do you think a man would just pay you to simply exist?”

    mine does :/ so…*cough* not that I enjoy not having sex for the past 3 months.

  21. Sugarbabe says:

    Of course the goodbye allowance is something that is provided, the whole reason to be in a SD/SB relationship is the allowance which the SB relies on… the SD can have the SB replaced faster then the SB can find another good legit SD… so many flakes and fakes on this site with wannabe SD’s makes it tougher to find a true SD

  22. Josh says:

    Good for you Kid. 😉

  23. Analog Kid says:

    @Josh ……….I learned from the best !

  24. Josh says:

    “I am juggling five to six girls at a time in the pre-qualification stage”

    Sounds like the SA testimonials page to me. LOL!

  25. Karlie Reed says:

    Thanks for that @ gentle(man) soul. After being with my SD for 3 years he was killed in a hit and run a year ago. It killed me but I guess along the way I’ll be ok.

  26. Analog Kid says:

    One of the other points to make regarding SD’s bailing out once the M&G becomes apparent ……… if they are anything like me I am juggling five to six girls at a time in the pre-qualification stage and I only have time to meet one or two ………. so a couple fall off the list.

  27. Analog Kid says:

    When I first started using this site my MO was to leave any of the serious discussions to our first meet as well as be pretty loose with who I shared pictures with. I feel I know much better these days as I now for the most part lay it all on the line during our initial e-mail discussions. I’m a P4P guy only so that all gets spelled out up front.

    In addition, I’ve somehow become a little paranoid about sending real pictures so in many situations I’ll send fake ones initially (unattractive guys ) just to feel the POTS out a bit. Lastly, if I do send real pics, the permissions are revoked as soon as I see they have looked at them.

    The point is ….. none of this makes me less of a gentleman . It’s just the longer I linger around this site the more I see some of the pitfalls.

  28. Fancy says:

    Thanks Alexis, I am learning the hard way.

    I appreciate your input and am always optimistic for a good outcome.

  29. Alexis says:

    “…it seems like all the potential SD want to do is email, then they run away when you ask, politely, for a face to face. Makes me think they are not what they say they are.”

    Yes, there are a lot of them here that apparently have just come to talk to beautiful women online, poor (literally lol) things.

    “Any constructive advice is appreciated…”

    I’ve found that creating a set of guidelines on here of things you will and will not tolerate helps a lot. If they’re not moving the interaction offline, move on. But believe me, you’ll do a lot of moving on.

  30. Elaine says:

    @ Josh

    Wel even in Eastern Europe they could see the difference between an empty and my —
    -long- profile!
    Even in case they wouldn’t understand one word English!

  31. Josh says:

    As the programmers, the pofile approvers maybe sitting in Eastern Europe.

  32. NC Gent says:

    Fancy – a lot of SBs and SDs poof when it comes time to meet face to face. A large number of reasons as to why…. lied about relationship status; really don’t have the income; sent fake pictures; were never serious; just looking for a pen pal, etc etc… you can drive yourself crazy trying to figure out why.

  33. Elaine says:

    *profiles

  34. gentle(man)soul says:

    @Fancy

    You answered your 1st 2 questions yourself :
    1) don’t limit your options until you have an agreement
    2) don’t expend time and/or money if you don’t have an understanding
    3) Pots who can’t meet in public are married and can’t ,or frauds . Ask him how he recommends getting to know each other .If you are OK seeing a married man ask him what will work for him . If he doesn’t respond at all -delete !

  35. Fancy says:

    Elaine,

    I had the same thing happen to me last night, with the empty profile. I agree completely, why are you out there trolling, with no bait??

    What would be the positive of this, there are too many ways to “hide” already.

  36. Fancy says:

    New to the site, hard to get past the email stage. When I did, shame on you the first time, the second time shame on me. Will always get the business done up front.

    First “SD”, using the term loosely, wanted me to get off the site before we even had our first face to face. Not going to happen til an arrangement is in place.

    Second “SD”, again loosely used, asked me to drive over 100 miles to meet for lunch, not even offering to pay for gas or tolls. I spent more on those than he did for my lunch. Again, shame on me for not asking up front, but come on guys, a true gentleman would have at least offered, I would hope.

    One more question, it seems like all the potential SD want to do is email, then they run away when you ask, politely, for a face to face. Makes me think they are not what they say they are.

    Any constructive advice is appreciated……

  37. Alexis says:

    Angela, except for the usage of caps… thank you for saying that.

    I think what a lot of our wonderful blog SDs don’t quite “get” is that when you ARE assertive and bring up arrangement/allowance, most of these jokers jet like bats out of hell lol.

    Again, the problem is that the quality of “SDs” on this site is poor. I would say that it’s probably declined? I don’t know though as I’ve never been on this side of the sugar bowl before. I can definitely say the quality of “SBs” has in fact declined since I first came here a couple of years ago.

  38. Josh says:

    “1)Starbucks ,2) hotel parking lot ,3)Neiman Marcus lingerie isle , 4) Walmart auto parts isle”

    5)Just Paypal me the money already.

  39. gentle(man)soul says:

    @ Meet and greet

    Ideas from the ladies please ? OK- I will concede that most Pot SBs want to be treated like a Princess and that the arrangement will follow standard dating lines. That is ,you meet at a 5 Star restaurant,get wined and dined ,get a gift basket ,roses ,and $200 as a party favor-right ?

    In reality most SDs want to encourage the trip to a local Hotel as quickly and painlessly as possible . Outrage aside ,I am serious . If you don’t believe what I am saying then you are deluding yourselves and will seriously limit your access to lovely long term Daddies . This falls under the category of helping the SD help you So –my question .

    If an SD can not date in his local community because he is married and take you out for a nice dinner ,where or what is the next best acceptable Meeting scenario to get the arrangement going ? Examples are 1)Starbucks ,2) hotel parking lot ,3)Neiman Marcus lingerie isle , 4) Walmart auto parts isle

  40. gentle(man)soul says:

    LovelyLatina says:

    I met a guy who I actually liked, I spent time with him,and never got an “allowance” or anything..but when I did ask for help I needed immediately, he gave me $100 lol.

    Did you have sex with him LL ? If you did without discussing the “arrangement” 1st then it is on you . If you did not have sex then $100 is a nice treat on top of the dinner/drinks -whatever. Say thank you and get down to business with him. For most SDs , allowance kicks in when both parties get what they want -if you know what I mean .

    @Angela

    You are absolutely correct ! SDs know what the deal is here . If you are not assertive then some users will try to take advantage . You do the business up front . Many young women find it hard to be assertive ,especially with older men . The negotiation might be difficult and intimidating but you have got to be your own advocate .

    @duxdeluxe

    Good for you man ! There should be plenty of lovely ladies who will line up to make you happy .

  41. Josh says:

    @Kirsten

    Do you know the genius who decided to send this email broadcast to all of the SBs?

    “But, I really need those shoes,” said every Sugar Baby ever.

    September marks fashion month, it’s time to dress to impress.

    “How can you live the high life if you do not wear the high heels?” – Sonia Rykiel

    Get Daddy to gift you the latest looks by Donna Karan, Michael Costello, Betsey Johnson, Erin Fetherstone, and Georgine. Don’t miss out!

    New York Fashion Week
    September 4 – 11, 2014

    London Fashion Week

    September 12 – 16, 2014

    Milan Fashion Week
    September 17 – 23, 2014

    Paris Fashion Week
    September 23 – Oct. 1, 2014

  42. Josh says:

    @Angela

    How old are you, and how old is the SD who is trying to get laid for free?

  43. Josh says:

    @LovelyLatina

    “but when I did ask for help I needed immediately, he gave me $100 lol.”

    Instead of taking it as a whining opportunity, hit him again with another monetary request. That’s all.

  44. Angela says:

    CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CLUE SOME OF THE “SUGAR DADDYS” THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ARRANGEMENT! NOT JUST A DATE WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET LAID FOR FREE!
    THANKS

  45. flyR says:

    @ Lovely Latina “but why are we on this site on the first place? I just think he wasn’t filling his role as a SD, when I gave him all the SB benefits you could need lol.”

    You walk into your favorite bar and viola before you can adjust to the light your glass is filled with your favorite beverage and caviar delivered to your elbow. The scene is repeated …….. Do you hold up your hand and say STOP this is too much free stuff.

  46. flyR says:

    @duxdeluxe

    Having dated someone IRL with MS I understand fully where you are coming from. Enjoy it , savor it and don’t look back.

  47. Alexis says:

    lol $100… that’s so sad.

  48. LovelyLatina says:

    I guess I just really want to experience a true SD/SB relationship.

  49. LovelyLatina says:

    Not at all. I was being pretty serious, I met a guy who I actually liked, I spent time with him,and never got an “allowance” or anything..but when I did ask for help I needed immediately, he gave me $100 lol..I just thought it was a joke. I would never want anyone to think I’m using them for their money…but why are we on this site on the first place? I just think he wasn’t filling his role as a SD, when I gave him all the SB benefits you could need lol.

  50. Beach_Girl says:

    Hello Sugars! It’s been a while,
    Hello to all the newbies 😀

    Hello to all 😀 how is the sugar world treating all of you?

  51. Josh says:

    “But, I really need those shoes,” said every Sugar Baby ever.

    September marks fashion month, it’s time to dress to impress.

    “How can you live the high life if you do not wear the high heels?” — Sonia Rykiel 

    Get Daddy to gift you the latest looks by Donna Karan, Michael Costello, Betsey Johnson, Erin Fetherstone, and Georgine. Don’t miss out! 

    New York Fashion Week
    September 4 – 11, 2014

    London Fashion Week

    September 12 – 16, 2014

    Milan Fashion Week
    September 17 – 23, 2014

    Paris Fashion Week
    September 23 – Oct. 1, 2014

  52. Josh says:

    And Carnac the Magnificent predicts that you’re not in your drinking age, pretty good with photography and really miss being your daddy’s princess? 😉

  53. Josh says:

    @LovelyLatina

    Please allow me to get the clarification.

    Are you saying that:

    Actual sugar daddies allow themselves to be “used for their money”?

    In other words, if a sugar daddy does not allow himself to be used for his money then he is not an actual/real/genuine sugar daddy?

  54. LovelyLatina says:

    Haven’t had an actual sugar daddy and I’ve been on this site for a while now.Seems like the men I meet don’t actually want to be sugar daddies..first, they want to make sure they’re not being “used for their money” LOL.

  55. Josh says:

    FuckingSD says:
    September 15, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    Out of 5039485 messages 5039484 were written by Josh.

  56. Josh says:

    Here is my latest joshism wisecrack: 😉

    If you want to be royally mind-fucked, hook up with a princess that she knows she is (because daddy told her so).

  57. Josh says:

    Check this out. 30 year-old, white, 5′-5″, bachelors degree. This SB wants the man to tire himself to please his princess. Anyone who tries to arrange with her will be royally mind-fucked.

    About Me

    I consider myself to be an intelligent and beautiful girl inside and out! I am very compassionate, sweet, kind, considerate and respectful. Everything about me is “real”! Having conversations that are interesting and engaging stimulate me. I’m intrigued by a man that is able to unlock the sensual and seductive beauty within me. I love to stay active by working out, skiing, skating, swimming, boxing etc. I will conquer any challenge that’s put in my path and “Never Back Down”! In addition, I love to dance because it’s the way I am able to express myself sexually. If you are the lucky Daddy I would be more than happy to be your private dancer! “You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.” Mae West

    What I’m looking for

    I’m looking for a man to compliment me in every way! My ideal man is someone who is extremely ‘HOT’ physically. I’m absolutely intrigued by a man who will do everything in his power to please me! There has to be a dynamic physical attraction that will gravitate me towards you and leave me wanting for more. You must be adventurous, know how to pamper and spoil this insatiable beauty and be ready to experience the time of your life! If the desired arrangement requires me to travel, I would be more than happy to do so. You definitely won’t be disappointed if you meet me 😉

  58. Josh says:

    @yougottabekiddingme

    “Yeah, right. Dump his ass.”

    Unfortunately then the problem would be solved, the victim status would be no more, and the whining opportunity would brutally murdered. 😉

  59. Josh says:

    I believe that you received it last Wednesday.

  60. Josh says:

    Will one of the SBs post the email you received from SA to demand high heels from sugar daddies?

  61. Josh says:

    @Duxdeluxe

    I envision a queue of SBs from Miami to San Francisco to provide you whatever you seek. 😉

  62. “RSD says:
    September 15, 2014 at 5:37 pm
    @Josh, I think nurturing others is part of human nature and, depending on one’s disposition, can be quite compelling and make one feel needed, loved, etc. At the end, one of our strongest biologic drives is caring for our offspring and mates. So the SB finds someone who is objectively speaking a parasite but makes her feel needed (it appears that he’d be starving and homeless without her, so she feels special keeping him around).”

    Yeah, right. Dump his ass.

  63. Duxdeluxe says:

    At the risk of being inundated by gold diggers let me cop to being one of those SDs willing to pony up $ without sex. My circumstances are somewhat unique. Never needed a sugar relationship before. Been married 25 years. Ego is healthy and intact. Then I got MS and my world got turned on its head. Can no longer walk so my days of strutting into a hotel bar are behind me. What I crave though is the dance of unraveling a deep connection with someone witty creative and fearless. My days of skiing and rock climbing are behind me so now the thrill comes from email or skype. When I have the opportunity to meet a SB my want is some passionate kissing. In truth though the notion of paying thousands a month for such a low maintenance relationship is nuts but for something truly extraordinary. ….. I’ve got to spend my money on something

  64. Josh says:

    @RSD

    That elaboration is right on the money.

  65. RSD says:

    @Josh, I think nurturing others is part of human nature and, depending on one’s disposition, can be quite compelling and make one feel needed, loved, etc. At the end, one of our strongest biologic drives is caring for our offspring and mates. So the SB finds someone who is objectively speaking a parasite but makes her feel needed (it appears that he’d be starving and homeless without her, so she feels special keeping him around).

  66. Josh says:

    flyR will willingly contribute. 😉

  67. SouthernSB says:

    😉

  68. SouthernSB says:

    In return to contributing to my Mini Ricky fund I will dress in frills and walk on your back.

  69. Josh says:

    @RSD

    I disagree that those men are leeching. They are projects these women willingly acquire and fund. 😉

  70. RSD says:

    @Josh, many of these women have plenty of guys IRL who leech off of them financially and sexually, like parasites. Then they imagine some guy might shower them with gifts and let them parasitize them.

  71. Josh says:

    “Any of you wonderful daddies want to contribute to my Mini Ricky fund?”

    This is tantamount to the cold reality that women have no hesitation asking total stranger men for whatever WITHOUT having any intention to reciprocate in any meaningful way. 😉

  72. Josh says:

    “Any of you wonderful daddies want to contribute to my Mini Ricky fund?”

    This is tantamount to the cold reality that women have no hesitation asking total stranger men for whatever. 😉

  73. Josh says:

    @SouthernSB, I don’t think so dear.

  74. RSD says:

    @Jazmine, “Where can I find a sugar daddy”
    Answer: on Seeking Arrangement or anywhere I suppose

  75. Josh says:

    @SouthernSB

    That’s a true statement. 😉

  76. SouthernSB says:

    Any of you wonderful daddies want to contribute to my Mini Ricky fund?

  77. SouthernSB says:

    @Josh-you are so mean!! LOL

  78. Josh says:

    @Jazmine

    Good timing. I saw some good ones on display at Nordstrom.

  79. Jazmine says:

    Where can I find a sugar daddy.

  80. Josh says:

    Texas’ economy is good. You should not have much problem.

  81. sweetie says:

    Thanks, everyone for the encouragement. I’m certainly interested in moving there, hopefully with a job lined up.

  82. RSD says:

    @sweetie, if you like big cities and warm weather, Houston’s your place :)

  83. RSD says:

    @Josh, the saliva test tests for antibodies to HIV found in saliva, not for the actual virus. Blood tests are similar except that they look for antibodies in serum.

  84. Josh says:

    @Karen, wouldn’t it be like falling for a bisexual?

    @sweetie, I hear you. Houston would be great then.

  85. Karen says:

    Well my “SD” never broke it off..just stopped speaking to me..but I got the hint LOL..I have not tried to contact him or blow up his phone, but I did find something very interesting out..it always amazes me that we live in such a small world. One of my friends asked if he could see a photo of my Sugar daddy since I never showed him one, yet I always talked about him..so I long into S.A and show him his photos..my friend says surprised “PLEASE TELL ME THAT’S NOT HIM”…I panicked (Usually when he knows one of my guys..it’s not a good thing LOL) …he said to me “that’s my friend’s boyfriend”..my heart sunk a little..I said, “who is she, are you sure they’re together” …he said, “you mean HE”..I met him at a Gay club a while back..his boyfriend introduced him to me.

    I still haven’t heard from the SD, but I’m quite shocked. I spent a lot of Intimate time with this man, and it seemed like things were getting serious, but I guess I was wrong..while I have nothing against gay men, I feel kind of grossed out. He never told me he was gay..and now that I think back, everything makes sense..from how he acted intimately to the stories he told me…yup, I fell for a gay man.

  86. sweetie says:

    I know about NYC and Boston, but I want warmer weather.

  87. Josh says:

    Don’t know how big is Brazilian community is in Houston but there’s huge one in/around NYC.

  88. Josh says:

    Houston is cool. :)

  89. sweetie says:

    There’s a Brazilian community there and an internship I’m interested in.

  90. Josh says:

    Of course dear…

    I forgot that all women have the inalienable right to blame what happens, or does not happen, to them on one man, a group of men or the whole MANkind?

    😉

  91. SouthernSB says:

    @Josh-you know if the men would just act like the guy on “The Bachelor” or at least treat them like “the princesses they are” (thanks Disney) and weren’t such jerks they wouldn’t be complaining. It doesn’t matter that they are 50, wear a size 20 and live with their 15 cats. All women are princesses dog on it!!!

  92. Josh says:

    “bunch of women who are going to do nothing but sit around and talk shit about men-and let’s face it within ten minutes they will be talking shit about men-and bashing whichever person it was who just got up to go to the bathroom.”

    Seems like a universal phenomenon I guess. 😉

  93. Josh says:

    SouthernSB

    Another reason to have female blog friends. If they said something behind your back, you can read it. LOL!

  94. Josh says:

    “These women are actually educated women with earned income to support themselves just fine.”

    To me, if a woman earned it, then gosh darn it, she may spend it any which way she wants. 😉

  95. SouthernSB says:

    Princess parties for grown women, diva parties, and the Red Hat Society are exactly the reason I have no female friends (current blog company excluded of course). I just can’t see the point of hanging around a bunch of women who are going to do nothing but sit around and talk shit about men-and let’s face it within ten minutes they will be talking shit about men-and bashing whichever person it was who just got up to go to the bathroom. No thank you, I had enough of that when I was currying my daughter to and from all the activities she was doing up until the day we sent her off to college. I’ve come to the conclusion that these are the women who either peaked in HS or their best days was sorority row.

  96. Josh says:

    What do you wanna know about Houston?

  97. sweetie says:

    Josh “Yes dear. Whatever happened to the Portuguese-related decision that you had to make?”

    I didn’t apply in the end. Too many loose ends, not enough time, and not in the mood for more loans. Actively pursuing portuguese-related opportunities in the US. Anybody familiar with Houston? I’m looking at it as relocation option.

  98. Kms2014 says:

    Yougottabe…I see what you mean. And agree most of these types of women are career and financially independent–as well as most single, since the married ones with children don’t have as much time to place princess anymore 😉

    The thing is…Honestly, don’t even mind the women who want to partake in this little fantasy, of being called, princess. To each their own…it never was a ‘turn-on’ for me, even in my 20’s..Have had a couple of exes call me that(but, they were not from US, so assumed it was a cultural thing…like, if they called you princess it was because they had so many other women that they did not want to make the mistake
    of calling you by one of the others’ names, hehe). Anyway, like mentioned, if someone wants to dress up in tiaras and have princess parties, then more power to them, but as you mentioned, seems like the theme with that type of woman is a ‘mean girl’, reality show (‘The Bachelor’…shoot me), gossipy, frilly froo girlie type. Am too old for being around that sort of thing, and hate reality tv. Although, those British fancy dress parties were fun…but for very adult reasons 😉

  99. Josh says:
    September 15, 2014 at 6:55 am
    “It’s really bizarre to me that women entertain things like princess and diva parties.”

    Free money is like drug for men as well as women. The common thread among most, if not all, of these women is that the money they waste is never their own, hard-earned variety.”

    These women are actually educated women with earned income to support themselves just fine.

    I blame The Housewives of this region and that region, The Kardashians, and Snooky!

    I don’t watch tv, but anytime I happen to come across these shows playing somewhere, I’m in disbelief that women at large subscribe to that mentality. Like I said, it’s not my experience with most of the women I encounter.

  100. Josh says:

    “Sometimes she’d say things so shocking I could only nod my head in agreement”

    Attitude is kinda sexy on the catwalk but only if women can learn to prevent spillage from one part of their life to the other. 😉

  101. Josh says:

    “It’s really bizarre to me that women entertain things like princess and diva parties.”

    Free money is like drug for men as well as women. The common thread among most, if not all, of these women is that the money they waste is never their own, hard-earned variety.

  102. Josh says:

    “last thing you wanna do is anger a group of princesses”

    Correct…and the best way to avoid that is by choosing not to deal with them. 😉

  103. “Was that a real party, ygb? Had a friend who used to want me to go to the Sex and the City movies dressed up as my faourite character. While also strange, not as creepy as a princess party for adult women :-/”

    Yeah, true story. I’m not sure if the attendees knew they’d be wearing silly princess hats, but they sure walked the walk, and talked the talk. I think they were all out of hats by the time Id gotten there. Or maybe they’d had too many Skinny Bitch Margaritas to notice I hadn’t been christened.

    The host was the prima donna of the princess. Sometimes she’d say things so shocking I could only nod my head in agreement (last thing you wanna do is anger a group of princesses).

    I’ve heard of Sexy in the City parties, and Diva parties but I’ve never attended. There was a group of women who used to come into the restaurant where I worked. They called themselves “The Dinner Divas”. They were the most obnoxious group of people Ive ever encountered. They would try to recruit me every time they visited, saying they needed up and coming divas. No, thank you!

    It’s really bizarre to me that women entertain things like princess and diva parties. It’s not something most of my girl friends are into.

  104. Josh says:

    @RSD

    It’s a good one for quick results. Curious about the results though as it is testing saliva, which is not considered an HIV carrier.

  105. Josh says:

    Another first…

    A 32 year-old viewed my profile. So I clicked on her profile. Looked interesting…so I tried to send a message…got this on the screen:

    This user is not interested in dating Sugar Daddies. Sorry, you cannot communicate with this user

    What kind of idiotic message is that? Sounds like text written by a programmer in Eastern Europe. 😉

    I then went back to the profile to see that she is only into SMs.

    Well SA needs to change the language to be more indicative of what’s going on instead of the language that reads as if I was hit by a 2×4.

  106. RSD says:

    @Josh, last SB I slept with asked me point blank about STDs. I showed her results of a recent HIV test for life insurance and she showed me her recent Pap smear and culture results.

    I’m considering asking SBs for oral swab HIV tests. It’s $40 at Walgreens and the answer appears in 20 min. I need a tactful way of making someone swab her gums.

  107. RSD says:

    I think I will start employing three criteria for monthly allowances: intimacy, exclusivity, and reliability.

    Intimacy: no point giving a monthly allowance if we’re not comfortable being intimate

    Exclusivity: SB is free to look for other SDs but there is no point giving a monthly allowance to someone who is still considering her options

    Reliability: No point giving a monthly allowance to someone who doesn’t have a proven track record of showing up as promised and on time

  108. Josh says:

    There’s always a first…just got asked by a coed for full panel STD results before anything happens.

    I have a feeling that she had ass-u-med that I wanted to go bb with her.

    Or maybe she is super freaked about STDs as I am. Who knows… :)

  109. Kms2014 says:

    “And what is it with these royal princess parties? Kms, you’ve spent time in England…any word on that?

    I was invited to a friend’s not-so-surprise birthday party, and every girl there was wearing a princess birthday hat (birthday girl wore an actual tiara). There were princess decorations everywhere. The host and birthday girl donned princess heels, and the birthday girl had a princess button with some ridiculous princess quote. The whole thing was pretty effing creepy, actually. All but one (maybe two) of the attendees were single…and seemingly desperate. Most of the night was spent discussing “reality tv”, gossiping and one-upping one another’s wish lists and guy stories. We finished out the night watching Beyoncé videos. One knew all the words. Thought she was gonna cry at one point. Her voice started cracking, and her bottom lip trembled a little. Didn’t know whether to hug her, or tap her on the shoulder, and tell her to pull herself together. Poor thing.”

    Was that a real party, ygb? Had a friend who used to want me to go to the Sex and the City movies dressed up as my faourite character. While also strange, not as creepy as a princess party for adult women :-/

    Well, most Brits are sick of the royals and their excesses, hehe. Or, they are posh and love them. It just depends on their politics. But, they did love their fancy dress parties. These parties would go on all year long, and were very similar to American Halloween parties, except they were themed…come dressed as a cowboy fancy dress paaaaties…come dressed as your favourite country fancy dress, ect. They were pretty entertaining, though. However, never did I hear about any come dressed as your favourite princess fancy party. The British aren’t into that sort of princess silliness, really, that I noticed. Fancy dress up parties to get drunk and let the reserved British person get the corn cobb out of their bum and let the freak out of them for awhile–yes. Princess parties…no. 😉

  110. Josh says:

    @sweetie

    “Hi, Josh! You remembered the portuguese?”

    Yes dear. Whatever happened to the Portuguese-related decision that you had to make?

  111. :).

    There…that’s better :).

  112. Sometimes I just want a text happy face. You know…a simple smile. That kool-aid man smile is too much some times.

    Let’s see if one of these works…

    :) :-) :). :-).

  113. @kms

    Got your email. Will message tomorrow.

    Rest well :)

  114. Sometimes women are crazy out of their minds with this princess complex.

    And what is it with these royal princess parties? Kms, you’ve spent time in England…any word on that?

    I was invited to a friend’s not-so-surprise birthday party, and every girl there was wearing a princess birthday hat (birthday girl wore an actual tiara). There were princess decorations everywhere. The host and birthday girl donned princess heels, and the birthday girl had a princess button with some ridiculous princess quote. The whole thing was pretty effing creepy, actually. All but one (maybe two) of the attendees were single…and seemingly desperate. Most of the night was spent discussing “reality tv”, gossiping and one-upping one another’s wish lists and guy stories. We finished out the night watching Beyoncé videos. One knew all the words. Thought she was gonna cry at one point. Her voice started cracking, and her bottom lip trembled a little. Didn’t know whether to hug her, or tap her on the shoulder, and tell her to pull herself together. Poor thing.

    But yeah, if I had to be a princess, Id be Princess Jasmine from Aladdin maybe. Else, I prefer being a succulent wild woman. Ya know…


    -Bathe naked by moonlight (This is lovelier than you can imagine…alone or with a partner.)
    -Practice extravagant lounging (As if you’ve no place else to be, but please do not lose your job due to practicing extravagant lounging.)
    -Buy yourself gorgeous flowers (Do not pretend they’re from a lover or mystery admirer. ‘Cause that’s just crazy)
    -Invent your life over if it doesn’t feel juicy
    -Be delicious
    -Eat mangoes naked and lick the juice off your arms
    -Discover your own goodness
    -Be rare, eccentric and original
    -Paint your soul
    -Investigate your dark places with a flashlight (shed some light on things…the crisis is often created in your own mind)
    -Weave your life into a net of love
    -Tell the truth faster
    -Celebrate your gorgeous friendships with women (no tiaras, please)
    -End blaming
    -Dress to please yourself (look good, feel good, exude contagious energy :))
    -Be inwardly outrageous
    -Seek out other succulent wild women
    -Encourage the sharing of mutual treasures
    -Let your creative spirit rush, flow, tumble, leak, spring, bubble, stream, dribble out of you. ”

    Yep :)

    I think that this attitude is significant in loving and understanding yourself in its fullest capacity so that you may then be equipped to share yourself with others. There are some things for which sugar can not compensate or resolve.

  115. sweetie says:

    Hi, Josh! You remembered the portuguese?

  116. Texas says:

    @Josh lol “sperm jacking”… made me laugh because that happens often!

  117. Jacob says:

    There are actually several possibly ways that a guy legitimately making only $100k or less income on tax return can consistently afford a $3k-5k/mo for an SB:

    1. He is paying the current SB on a payroll or 1099; i.e. the $40-60k/yr paid out to the SB is not will not be coming out of his own income. The SB can be a business expense of a business that he owns.

    2. He already has his house paid for, no more mortgage payment. Or he owns an apartment building and finances it only for cash-flow benefits; his net cash flow from the building is positive (i.e. he pays negative amount for housing expense). The typical $3-5k/mo that normal upper middle class family pay for housing can be redeployed for sugaring.

    3. He owns significant amount of assets that can be depreciated for tax purpose. For example, buildings on a 27.5yr schedule, every $1M worth of structure he owns and depreciates on tax forms results in $36k tax shelter. That add up fast and drastically reduces the person’s / businesses’ taxable income. For someone owning as little as $5M depreciable assets, that’s nearly another $180k/yr available cash flow that can be spent on anything including the SB but is excluded from his $100k income.

    These are just some straight forward examples. There are many creative and perfectly legal tax reducing methods. Those techniques are also helpful when one is facing potential sperm-jacking or divorce-rape, and therefore prefer lower nominal Adjusted Gross Income.

  118. Alexis says:

    “My preteen daughter says she wouldn’t ever want to be a princess because she would be the center of too much attention.”

    Smart young lady

  119. flyR says:

    The ad preceding hers was from Swedish twins both in grad school in LA looking for one gentleman. Probably more reasonable aspirations

  120. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “What’s interesting is the 6K girl had a sub average picture”

    So that would mean that she had a a below average picture?

    “had graduated from high school but seemed to be stalled out.”

    Oh, no collage? Bummer!

  121. RSD says:

    My preteen daughter says she wouldn’t ever want to be a princess because she would be the center of too much attention.

  122. Alexis says:

    “Every girl wants to be a princess. So SD’s should stop fighting it and embrace it. Call them “princess”; it costs nothing and may make them happy.”

    Yuck, I seriously would disqualify anyone who called me “princess”. Really, that’s just one thing that just makes me cringe. Do these girls have esteem issues or what? Damn, I’m so glad all the Disney shit was banned in my house while growing up. I would irritate myself if I was like that. But then again, I wouldn’t even know it I guess.

    Also, do any of these girls realize just how STRESSFUL and CONSTRICTING the life of a princess really is???
    Yeah, yeah… probably not.

    *sighs*

  123. flyR says:

    What’s interesting is the 6K girl had a sub average picture, had graduated from high school but seemed to be stalled out.

  124. Josh says:

    The first requirement to be a princess–who would be unquestionably appreciated by a man–is to be super hot. Watch any Disney movie and you will find the most beautiful girls they could find for the role of the princess.

    This fundamental given is somehow lost on the real life princess-wanna-be’s. 😉

  125. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “But the converse question is what percent of SDs would like to be a king with a big harem that continually receives the hottest young women from all the provinces and neighboring lands?”

    You will find a few. However, there is a big BUT involved. That is, these SDs would not be wishing to make it happen on a shoestring.

    The converse is not true in the princess-wanna-be crowd. Their wish is joined at the hip to doing next to nothing for the SD.

  126. RSD says:

    But the converse question is what percent of SDs would like to be a king with a big harem that continually receives the hottest young women from all the provinces and neighboring lands?

  127. RSD says:

    I read a study once that 10% of women would truly want to be a princess (as in a real one). On SA it is probably 50%.

  128. RSD says:

    Josh, no, the girl is quite down to earth and not the least bit conceited, though quite attractive.

  129. RSD says:

    flyr, take up this SB and sign her up for “collage”

  130. Josh says:

    @RSD

    Wanting to be a princess and asserting the phrase “the princess that I am” are two different things.

    I bet your friend does not go around and demands people to treat her certain way because “the princess that I am” :)

  131. flyR says:

    This was too funny not to share. From LA

    Hello LETS see if we are seeking the same things:) First thing first I’m not a escort service, so If that’s what your looking for I’m NOT the one for you so no wasting your time or mine thank you!

    Ok so I need to have a level of connections and chemistry to enjoy the experience of getting to know one another. So When we establish are connection, I would like to go on a couple of dates at first.

    For my time on the dates five hundo each date.

    I would like the frist two dates to be like we are on a regular date so we can see if we are on the same page and like each other .

    Right now I’m not looking for love, just looking for someone who can enjoy and help me, and I enjoy them and help them back.

    As for monthly support 6k would be my cost of living per month,

  132. RSD says:

    @Josh, I ask SBs next to nothing these days. I rarely get meaningful answers and if they’re not wanting to open up they will just feed me lies, which I will recognize immediately as lies, which then leads to them being categorized as liars in my mind which never helps.

    In all fairness, the SB I met today was a bit like me in that she volunteered tons of what would be objectively considered less-than-flattering stories about herself, presumably all true. I liked her so much more as a result of her honesty.

  133. RSD says:

    Text I got today from an IRL friend (16 years younger, known her for 5 years): “I like that you call me princess, no one else ever has.”

    Every girl wants to be a princess. So SD’s should stop fighting it and embrace it. Call them “princess”; it costs nothing and may make them happy.

  134. Josh says:

    Ask too many questions and the SBs disappear. 😉

  135. Josh says:

    True. Not my demographics. So I don’t care. 😉

  136. Kms2014 says:

    I see what you are saying but RSD did a good math example, as the general rule, if the SD is being honest about his income. It is nothing personal, but as I am older, it is safer to be more risk averse, and gambling(wasting time) on someone making $100,000 a year might seem snooty or harsh, but is not good for my long-term goals, or feeling safe…am only looking at a certain bracket and was given this advice by a very smart lady that said the same thing as, RSD. If I was 21 again, then a young single guy making $100,000 a year might be more of an investment. But remember, am not dating the retirees, anyways, Josh….Am dating under 50’s and under 40’s..well, that has been what I have done so far, so they were in the midst of their careers, and not close to retirement yet. If I did date a retiree, would we go out on Wednesday? Isn’t that senior discount day? Hehe, just teasing 😉

  137. Josh says:

    Sugar is NOT a straight-line expense. An SD does not have to be engaged in sugar month in and month out. It is certainly not true for me. Luckily, I have other venues available to me.

    But whatever. Again I was exaggerating to make a point. That’s all. And yes, it goes without saying that everything being equal a 55 year-old with $200k income would have a lot more disposable income than an SD with $100k income.

  138. RSD says:

    $100K/year comes out to $6-7K/month post-tax. No way they can afford “moderate” unless they inherited some sum of money and are blowing it on sugar.

    I’ve always been honest about income and assets, and I attract the whole spectrum of SBs, from rinsers to gems. Since my profile is hidden, I select whom I message.

  139. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    I know that you’re a smart cookie. But most SBs have no freaking clue what they are doing anyway. Of course every situation is different, but a 55 year-old reporting $100K/year income “technically” has more disposable income than a 45 year-old or a 35 year-old, as the mortgage is potentially paid off.

    But whatever…yes? 😉

  140. Kms2014 says:

    “RSD says:
    September 14, 2014 at 3:48 pm
    @KMS, I think also the liars don’t know how to lie. If the guy makes $25K per year, or $0 for that matter, he assumes that if he made the whopping sum of $100K/year he could easily afford an SB. He also looks around his equally unsuccessful friends and family and figures that if he made $100K they’d all worship him and all the girls he knows would want to be his. So he can’t imagine how $100K wouldn’t be enough.”

    Hehe, think that is very true, in regards to the scammers–yes! Good point, RSD (:

  141. Kms2014 says:

    Meant go* much higher…but they probably ho much higher as well.

  142. Kms2014 says:

    But, that is just my opinion and what I look for. Have had someone be more generous with a lower income compared to someone with a higher income. But, on average, for what my requirements are, the odds are better for higher net worth and incomes.

    Yes, Josh, would agree that most men understate their income here…I would as well, if I were an SD. But, not too much lower…think the scam artists probably ho much much higher. If someone lists their net worth as over 10 million but writes like a teen, or not very well-spoken, then you usually can tell….

  143. Kms2014 says:

    That might be true, but would not meet someone who listed $100,000 as their income, as that percentage they have allotted for allowance amount would be too low. It is a gamble how generous they would be and that income is too low for what would be my requirement. That is why the odds are in your favour to go higher.

  144. Josh says:

    I am not buying this income reported on SA business.

    If I made $1 million or $5 million per year, do you really think I am going to put that amount of money down on SA to alert and attract the sperm-jackers?

    SA has no business asking me for my income and net worth, but they do it anyway. So my reported income and assets are in concert with what I am willing to pay and what kind of SBs I am trying to attract.

    And I know my math mighty fine. Thank you. 😉

  145. gentle(man)soul says:

    @KMS
    ” You would think if the man lies about offering moderate allowance, then he would lie about his income, too, hehe.”

    In the end it really doesn’t matter what he’s “worth” , it’s all about how much he is willing to offer you . I wouldn’t even bother looking at that ladies ,just go on your M&Gs,and see what comes up . I doubt there are many guys here who think they have a prayer of getting a free ride . But they can throw out a low ball offer and get some takers . Some SBs are grateful for what they have .

    And the other issue is disposable income . An SD can make $3 Mil/yr but be cash poor . I have several friends who are in that boat . They make 3 but spend 4 . A guy making $100K might spend $25K on the ladies and save in other areas .

  146. RSD says:

    @KMS, I think also the liars don’t know how to lie. If the guy makes $25K per year, or $0 for that matter, he assumes that if he made the whopping sum of $100K/year he could easily afford an SB. He also looks around his equally unsuccessful friends and family and figures that if he made $100K they’d all worship him and all the girls he knows would want to be his. So he can’t imagine how $100K wouldn’t be enough.

  147. Kms2014 says:

    I think you can have just as many for frenemy types later in life, like a friend I had reconnected with years ago…she was even more hateful to me the second time around(although, not noticble at first) :-/ You do not see it, at first, but the back handed compliments and talking behind one’s back..and cattiness? In my thirties, I just don’t have time for that nonsense. Life is too short and think older women who are not like that just do not have the tolerance or nativity that you do, in your 20’s(at least in my experience), and just dump these types faster than the younger, more tolerant years.

  148. RSD says:

    @KMS “You would think if the man lies about offering moderate allowance, then he would lie about his income, too, hehe.”

    These men don’t know math either lol.

  149. RSD says:

    @KMS, I agree, but a lot of these 20 year olds have mostly female frenemies and “age-appropriate” boys trying to get into their pants. True friendships tend to come later in life.

    Which somehow reminds me that yesterday I found a picture of the boy my last short-term SB fell for and left me for. He’s a pimple-faced 20 year old super-nerd. Although it does feel weird getting dumped for him, she hopefully made a good decision :) There is no happily-ever-after with me.

  150. Kms2014 says:

    “Honestly, so many SDs list their incomes as $100K but are offering “moderate” allowances. The math simply doesn’t add up, and an SB who didn’t learn enough math to figure that has only herself to blame.”

    You would think if the man lies about offering moderate allowance, then he would lie about his income, too, hehe.

  151. Kms2014 says:

    @RSD…have a couple people I share this with and they do this sort of relationship as well…am happy for them, and only get encouragement and help with questions, from them both. If someone is like that, then they are just a mean girl…and you don’t need to be involved in sugar to have mean girlfriends(do they ever grow out of that mentality–no, just ended a ‘friendship’ with one not long ago, and she is not involved in this lifestyle.) as you get older, then your circle of friends grows smaller but hopefully you get rid of the frenemy types, who always try and bring you down. So, only surround myself by kind people who want the best for you…not fake or opportunistic people(either men or women).

  152. RSD says:

    @Me “…most guys on here like to pretend they have money and try and get the woman in bed asap”

    Honestly, so many SDs list their incomes as $100K but are offering “moderate” allowances. The math simply doesn’t add up, and an SB who didn’t learn enough math to figure that has only herself to blame.

  153. RSD says:

    I had an SB a few years back and she told me her half-sister had an SD who paid her rent and bills but she supposedly didn’t sleep with him. She always believed the “didn’t sleep with him” part until she started sugar dating and realized that was just a polite way of her sister presenting the relationship. This is what coeds are telling each other–that they’re getting money for just being adorable.

  154. Alexis says:

    How sad that people would treat one another like that; especially, one would think women would be on each others’ “sides” more than anything else in this world, but I guess not.

  155. RSD says:

    I think the majority of SBs have at least one friend/confidante who knows about her sugar dating or who actively egged her on to find an SD. The dynamics can be complex, with the friend hoping it doesn’t work out to shatter the SB’s ego, or at least hoping she finds an SD worse than (i.e. paying less than) the one she has so she feels more special. My guess is that most of the time both exaggerate what they receive and play down how much they put out, which contributes to the illusion that sex is not a requirement for a sugar relationship, and henceforth the frustration expressed by so many new SBs.

  156. Alexis says:

    @Josh

    I see, ok. It all sounds so unorganized and unplanned… but very well.

  157. Josh says:

    @Alexis,

    As I corrected myself earlier the dynamics of the Matrix are diffrrent. But keep in mind that these girls are not sugar dating exclusively AND based on my information they may not have the whole Matrix clued in today but they do have at least one confidant involved.

    So the gossip aspect is not readily relevant but the habits from regular dating are definitely carrying over.

  158. gentle(man)soul says:

    @Texas

    Not having transportation for some is a deal breaker,particularly in my smallish town . Many SDs want uncomplicated liaisons with their SB . Married men do not want to drive around town with a hot young lady for all the world to see .Getting a cab involved is just another thing to worry about . And cost is not the only factor to consider . If you live in NYC or other urban metropolis then cabs are a fact of life though .

  159. Alexis says:

    @Josh

    Thank you for trying to explain. I just still don’t “get it” since I don’t really see how the Matrix becomes involved in the sugaring process. I mean… I thought most of these girls keep this part of their life a secret from others. That’s the impression I’ve gotten from most SBs.

    *shrugs*

    Whatever, it really hasn’t been an issue for me. I was just trying to understand their reasoning. Thanks for the reminder that I need to once again stop trying to do this lol.

    @Elaine

    “I am not so sure it will work out well for SA on long terms.”

    It will. It’s a simple matter of supply and demand.

    @Texas

    You better change something and you better change it quickly. Your attempts are costing you more than your eventual gain, using your current procedures.

    @Me
    “…most guys on here like to pretend they have money and try and get the woman in bed asap”

    More than I care to even count, but there are ways to protect yourself from these types.

  160. RSD says:

    @Texas, maybe share your profile number so we can see your profile

    @gentle(man)soul, yes we’re on for our $200 date :)

  161. flyR says:

    @ Texas

    As another posted , suggest something within walking distance or a short bus ride (unless you live in a really tough neighborhood).

    If the pot wants to meet somewhere else offer that you do not have a car. At that point he should be agreeable to either finding a closer place for you or taking care of the cab ride.

    Telling someone that you do not have a car should send the message that funds are tight (or it is a condition of your parole jk) and it’s time for him to solve the problem either by coming to you or taking care of the cab.

  162. Josh says:

    “If the guy won’t cover your cab fare then he is a tightwad and you do not want him anyway .”

    Bingo! He is your $30,000/year millionaire you want to stay 30,000 feet away from. :)

  163. Texas says:

    @Josh
    It makes sense, I cannot get what I don’t ask for. Im not sure I know of the profile you posted but I get your point.

  164. Josh says:

    Logic 101:

    Don’t blame men to be only after sex if all you have to offer is sex (along with silly promises that don’t make sense.)

  165. Josh says:

    @Texas

    “Im just saying that I havent found someone who has offered money for a first date yet.”

    And you shall not. Men are not going to offer such things. RSD is an exception.

    “I personally have a problem asking for money from anyone so I dont make it mandatory for money to be given to me in exchange for my time on a first date.”

    Well, don’t make your “problem” his problem. This falls into one of the women’s “he should know” classics. Get over it.

    “I was simply stating that the girls who do so are lucky.”

    No they are not lucky. They are asking for it and not meeting those who don’t provide such compensation. They are also screening out very good potential SDs as well.

    I shall not give any money for meet and greet unless a girl is as intriguing as the one whose 10 point profile I posted on September 11, 2014 at 10:18 am. I will still no offer anything but if she asked I will pay her just to meet. 😉

  166. Texas says:

    @RSD
    You are a very kind person, I know if that was me I would have been very grateful as well. People sometimes dont realize how their actions impact others. Im more of the type of SB that would rather have an allowance than fancy shopping and whatnot. Not because Im opposed to all of that, who would be? lol but because I need the financial help more than I need the extra stuff.

    @gentle(man)soul
    haha I think youre right, I need to work on being a little stronger with this type of stuff. Im still learning. Its a process

  167. gentle(man)soul says:

    Texas says:

    @gentle(man)soul
    I feel bad asking the pot SD to reimbursement. I dont want them to think Im ungrateful or anything.

    No ,there is a big difference between asking for an allowance just to meet vs to get reimbursed for your costs. You need to stand up for yourself and require reimbursement . If the guy won’t cover your cab fare then he is a tightwad and you do not want him anyway .

    You need a guy like RSD .I need to meet a guy like him LOL .He is going to give me $200 to meet too .

  168. Josh says:

    @Me

    “I have a lot of love to give, to the right man.”

    Most SBs on SA claim the same that they are looking for the one/right/real SD to make a very happy man.

    But you need to understand the ground reality. These men are not here because they want your “love”, my dear. They are here because they are love-fucked by their existing significant other, or they have given up on the whole love thing with women.

    gtt_envy is an exception on the blog who has a pretty good thing going but he still likes to dip into coeds for reasons of his own.

    The ground reality is that SDs are either here for fun times with coeds or sex or both.

    So if you are not able to articulate what “fun” you can provide outside of sex (99% of SBs seem to fall in this category despite the existence of silly words and jargon in their profiles), you will have to provide sex, and THAT would be your value proposition.

  169. gentle(man)soul says:

    @Me
    ” So no wonder women are holding back when it comes to sex because it is an equal partnership ”
    Um–that would be a NO. Where did you get the idea that it is an equal partnership with me ,Me ? you sound a little deluded about what sugar life is all about .

    The ideal SD promoted by SA is this altruistic caretaker Zillionaire who thinks nothing of shelling out bucks galore to set you ladies up for life . And when you are substantially impressed by his magnamity then you will put out ? Get real .
    An SD can be a normal guy making ends meet ,but can provide an agreed on amount of allowance in exchange for services that you agree to . One doesn’t have to be “rich” to offer $1500/month for you to spend time with him -no ? Or is that not good enough for you ?

  170. RSD says:

    @Texas, I had a first sugar date today, gave the girl $200 for her time and she later texted me, “thank you so much for the surprise.. You’re so nice! It’s going to help me more than you know!” Just getting that text showing sincere appreciation was worth more than $200 to me. All I wanted/got was a hug, which is standard for my first dates. So don’t generalize, everyone is different.

  171. Texas says:

    @gentle(man)soul
    I feel bad asking the pot SD to reimbursement. I dont want them to think Im ungrateful or anything. No worries about the Chanel dress lol, I dont own anything of the sort well except maybe in my dreams ! lol

  172. RSD says:

    @Me, “I just can’t trust people on here,” then find the ones you can trust. SA opened my eyes to human nature, let it open yours also.

  173. Texas says:

    @Josh
    Im just saying that I havent found someone who has offered money for a first date yet. I personally have a problem asking for money from anyone so I dont make it mandatory for money to be given to me in exchange for my time on a first date. I was simply stating that the girls who do so are lucky.

  174. gentle(man)soul says:

    Texas says:

    To anyone getting paid on a first date I give props to. I have been on a handful of dates now and I have to pay for my own cabs( because I sold my car to pay for school last semester) anyways, It gets expensive. On average I pay $30 bucks a date. Most of those guys I didnt hear back from, and I was left even more broke than before.

    Bummer ! You could ask the Pot to meet within walking distance of your area and if he resists then ask him for cab fare. I would not insist on prepayment but he should reimburse you. Try to give him an idea of what the sum will be . SDs should shoulder 100% of the Meeting costs ,although not to include the Chanel dress that you bought to look good ,mani/pedi/, hair coloring, massage to be relaxed ,etc .

  175. Josh says:

    Feeling like a fool once in a while is a part and parcel of dealing with women.

    I am not in sugar to take advantage of anyone. But I am not in it to feel like an idiot on a regular basis either.

  176. Me says:

    Scary really. I just can’t trust people on here. Liars and over exaggerators. I have a lot of love to give, to the right man. I just want mentorship, peace and no complications. I am really creative and I want to set my own company up, so I need the investment for that, but most guys on here like to pretend they have money and try and get the woman in bed asap … So no wonder women are holding back when it comes to sex because it is an equal partnership this type of arrangement and because the males are usually substantially older, wiser, more experienced and financially secure, they should be the ones “leading” the way and making the woman feel like she is wrapped up in security, whatever the nature is of the arrangement. That way, the woman will find it so easy to show her respect and gratitude towards the man. But if the man is clingy, plays mind games, lies and constantly tries to “bed” her, before paying up, then he might aswell go find a prostitute as there are a few on this site quite willing to open their legs for a Prada handbag.

  177. Josh says:

    @Texas

    I don’t understand what you are suggesting.

    1. Don’t agree to the first meeting without some kind of compensation?

    2. Since most guys won’t pay for the first sexless date, are you saying that it is better to plan for sex on the first date?

    These questions are coming from a guy who does not plan to have sex on the first date. 90% it won’t happen anyway because of the Matrix I talked about earlier. But for me if it happens, it happens. But if it does happen then it would be with arrangement and money exchange in place.

  178. Josh says:

    @Texas

    I don’t understand what you are suggesting.

    1. Don’t agree to the first meeting without some kind of compensation?

    2. Since most guys won’t pay for the first sexless date, are you saying that it is better to plan for sex on the first date?

    These questions are coming from a guy who does not plan to have sex on the first date. 90% it won’t happen anyway because of the Matrix I talked about earlier. But for me if it happens, it happens. But if it does happen then it would be with arrangement and money exchange in place.

  179. Texas says:

    To anyone getting paid on a first date I give props to. I have been on a handful of dates now and I have to pay for my own cabs( because I sold my car to pay for school last semester) anyways, It gets expensive. On average I pay $30 bucks a date. Most of those guys I didnt hear back from, and I was left even more broke than before.

  180. flyR says:

    Sex and the first date

    Vast difference between commitment to no sex on first date and no sex expected or promised on first date.

  181. RSD says:

    Well the site is essentially promising easy sex to men (who can afford it) and easy money to women. It doesn’t surprise me that people are here to get what they want and not give in return. Many people are like that in real life.

  182. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    “I am not so sure it will work out well for SA on long terms.
    I would say they are shooting in their own foot with this strategy, they will lose the quality in favour of the quantity.”

    Negative. Horny men and delusional women are aplenty. As long as SA stays out of trouble with the law, they will do just fine. 😉

    “Unless they want to end up as a regular dating site….Shrugh…”

    I don’t see any indication that they will. Brandon is no dummy.

  183. Josh says:

    Correction: The Matrix operates a bit differently in the sugar situations.

  184. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “Her advice on identifying your target market was priceless and also applies if you are running a lemonade stand or Apple.”

    My bucket list contains how to learn to run Apples. I would be grateful if you can kindly expand on the process of running Apples.

    “There’s no law that says a creative SB can not have two profiles.”

    Yes there is one. THOU SHALT NOT DELUDE THYSELF.

    Most SBs are having problems with one profile and this wise guy is suggesting them to have two. 😉

  185. Elaine says:

    @Alexis

    I am not so sure it will work out well for SA on long terms.
    I would say they are shooting in their own foot with this strategy, they will lose the quality in favour of the quantity.

    Unless they want to end up as a regular dating site….Shrugh…

  186. Josh says:

    @Alexis

    There is nothing straight (no pun intended) about women’s interaction in their “romantish” encounters with men. For most women every such encounter must be handled through silly games developed and/or approved by her respective Matrix, consisting of mom, wisecunt girlfriends and others.

    Even though she knows within first 30 seconds of meeting a man if she is going to eventually sleep with him or not, she must play silly games to keep her head up when she reports back to the Matrix.

    Another reason is that if she did sleep with him on the first date after having determined that she will sleep with him eventually, the whole gossip opportunity, spanning 1-7 days, is brutally murdered. The Matrix does not like that AT ALL.

    The Matrix must be clued in as to when she is going to sleep with him, and the Matrix must be allowed to teased her and make her blush for that period of time.

  187. flyR says:

    Awesome advice from Elaine – one friendly amendment

    Lot’s of people think it is critical to spend an hour on your nails before meeting one POT but that it’s not important to edit, speil and spell check the profile.

    Her advice on identifying your target market was priceless and also applies if you are running a lemonade stand or Apple. There’s no law that says a creative SB can not have two profiles.

    on mentors

    From the SD side the spectrum of SBs’ runs from “I’m just doing this for the drug money” to ” I would like a mature gentleman in my life and all the better if some financial benefits come with it.” again it’s product differentiation.

    There are some SB’s for whom fancy dinners and being seen in the right places is fine (of course a little cash helps) others very wisely note that they are fine with very low profile meetings and fancy stuff is not particularly valuable, they are looking for help, perhaps in pursuing their dreams.

  188. Alexis says:

    @Josh

    D’oh

  189. Alexis says:

    Yes Elaine, it is. This is a business though. The main focus is to be profitable, so I agree with their marketing techniques.

    It may not work out really well for all of us though, but it’s working out great for SA.

    Speaking of which, I’m starting to see more and more SBs on here that seem to think this is just a regular dating website. I remember there were always those that mistakenly thought so but now the numbers are climbing. And on the SD side, I’m seeing more and more broke guys pretending to be successful.

    Oh well, both sides just have to do more digging now I guess.

  190. Josh says:

    @Alexis and @Elaine

    Duh! 😉

  191. Alexis says:

    You know, I do wonder when SBs say “no sex on the first date” do they mean absolutely zero sexual interaction or just no intercourse/penetration.

    Also, what’s so different between a first date and a second or third; especially, when a lot of times those dates are just days apart?

    If anybody could enlighten me, it really would be appreciated.

  192. Elaine says:

    @Alexis

    Because that is the result of the quantity focussed SA marketing strategy attracting a certain type of SBs.

    @Josh

    Because of the quantity focussed SA marketing strategy.
    I make sugar sound as hard work instead of easy money.

  193. Alexis says:

    SA’s marketers are too smart to post the type of advice that Elaine did.

    No, I am not saying Elaine is not smart, but she has nothing to lose in this scenario by posting that advice (which again, was great advice) to SBs.

  194. gentle(man)soul says:

    @Josh -you crack me up ! And good advice
    @Elaine-beautifully done !

    @RSD

    I’m very clear to pots I meet that there would be no sex on the first date but after that we’d meet in my apartment for all future meets. My unspoken rule is that on the second date I’d anticipate sex, on the third date I’d expect it; if not, I’d dump them saying that we lacked chemistry. I’m not going to demand sex; it should just happen, not be forced. If the girl doesn’t want to come to my apartment on the second date, she can look for another SD; I offer what I offer and she can take it or leave it.

    Well said ! I agree with everything except the part about no sex the 1st date .

    My collage girl (er -college) flunked the RSD test . M&G was public. Made it very clear that sex was desired. 2nd date was on the books- got a text-” No sex-no spending the night-full pay expected ” NEXT !!

    Moral of that story for all new SBs is –NEVER tell your pot SD that Sex is not on the table (unless it isn’t ever). Leave the possibility open for romance leading to the bedroom .My pot could have kept the date by saying”While I prefer to get to know you a little better before we have sex, let’s see how things go tonight ” Like RSD ,I would have entertained her, been gentlemanly ,and made some clever passes giving her the opportunity to feel the love, maybe throw a kiss or a rub into the mix, and keep the ball(s) rolling .Obviously ,if there is no attraction at all then the deal is off .

    Married SDs do not have weeks of “dating” to soften up an SB to feel comfortable about sex. I believe the correct term to play in this game is “shit or get off the pot “

  195. Elaine says:

    When I have to stop sugaring because I have passed my expiration date, I might start an Aunt Elaine on-line Sugar Advice and Matchmaking Service! 😉

  196. Josh says:

    @Kirsten

    What does it take for SA to post useful advice similar to the one Elaine did above?

  197. Alexis says:

    Elaine, that is wonderful advice for a SB. You really out-did yourself.

    I don’t know why so many women come here with uppity attitudes and think they just “deserve” things because they have a vajayjay. It’s weird to me.

    Yes, women (young & thin) are scrumptious; however, if a woman doesn’t meet my needs, there are just too many women in the world not to move on to one who will.

    Simple math! Oh yeah but there I go again with math.

  198. RSD says:

    @gentle(man)soul, and yes, the SB who got pregnant from her “ex”-fiance really expected that I would see her through her pregnancy and after childbirth. I don’t know what I do that makes these girls feel so secure in the relationship.

  199. RSD says:

    @bella8553,

    Josh and Elaine gave you great advice. You need to sort out what you’re looking for, and make it clear what you are expecting and what you are offering. If you’re not offering sex, then make it clear in your profile or in your first message to a pot. If you’re looking for sex after a certain number of dates, then make that clear, and make it clear what you expect also.

    I’m very clear to pots I meet that there would be no sex on the first date but after that we’d meet in my apartment for all future meets. My unspoken rule is that on the second date I’d anticipate sex, on the third date I’d expect it; if not, I’d dump them saying that we lacked chemistry. I’m not going to demand sex; it should just happen, not be forced. If the girl doesn’t want to come to my apartment on the second date, she can look for another SD; I offer what I offer and she can take it or leave it.

  200. RSD says:

    @Elaine, “The ones that are able to ‘keep’ an SB, are mostly the ones who very well know what they expect from their employees that go home with a net salary of say 5000$. So in this case you have to always be aware that it is HIS party, Your profile needs to communicate that you totally understand that. Don’t talk about yourself, talk about what HE gets out of ’employing’ you.”

    This truly describes the type of sugar affair I am looking for. Just like I expect my employees to show up on time and eager to work every single workday for what I pay them (rare and believable illnesses/emergencies exempted), I expect an SB to show up regularly, on time, and eager every single meet. It’s my escape and I give them a predictable monthly salary expecting their company predictably. If they are unpredictable, I will feel like I am paying for nothing, and it will unravel quickly.

  201. RSD says:

    @gentle(man)soul, “Would that be pregnancy terminations ? Or relationship ? or both ?”

    Typically, cancellations/rescheduling, showing up late, etc, which lead sooner or later to me dumping them. I think they assume at some point that I am attached and would not dump them and then they start acting up.

  202. RSD says:

    @Elaine, that is by far amazing advice for a new SB. Every SB should read your post and tailor their profiles and search accordingly!

  203. Elaine says:

    Well, it is not rocketscience…

    One word; Focus!

    1. Focus on what makes you interesting for pot. SD’s.
    So before making a profile, think about your strenghts, and what makes you stand out of the crowd.

    2. Focus on what kind of man would be interested in what you are offering.
    I know what I am worth too, but if a pot. is not searching for your type of SB, you will have no worth for him whatsoever.
    A chubby SB has no need to contact RSD, an older SB has no worth for Gentleman. Not because they are not good pot’s, but because they are looking for something else.

    3.Focus on what kind of SD you would find attractive, not financial wise but physical. The (expected) sex must be a pleasure, not a task! If you know you don’t like bald or chubby men (which for example is my problem) no use to even meet.

    4.Focus on what you would like to find in an SB profile if YOU were that dreamed SD.
    And start thinking where it fits with what you want to offer:
    You only want sexual encounters (p4p) in exchance for money?
    Your text and pics need to make this clear. Short text and lots of bikinipics would be reccomanded in this case.
    You are looking for an SD that wants to spoil you with gifts and travel?
    Make clear you are very much appreciating this, without the “princess” or “deserve” word…and without sounding entitled.
    Or an SD that will mentor and help you with your carreer? Make sure your intelligence shows in your, longer, text, in flawless English. A nice face pic will do. (No selfie in a messed bedroom)
    You want a long term arrangement with monthly allowance? Be clear about that in your profile and don’t waste your or their time. Realize your profile has to stand out and can’t be less as perfect! With perfect pics.
    BUT!! do realize that you need to be an SDs ultimate fantasy to achieve this status! The available SDs are few and very demanding.
    Which is quite normal!
    The ones that are able to “keep” an SB, are mostly the ones who very well know what they expect from their employees that go home with a net salary of say 5000$.
    So in this case you have to always be aware that it is HIS party,
    Your profile needs to communicate that you totally understand that.
    Don’t talk about yourself, talk about what HE gets out of “employing” you.

    5. Focus on making this perfect profile and selecting, or making, the right pics.

    6. Focus on contacting your “dream” pots.
    There is hundreds of thousand female profiles, if you want to find your perfect SD, start approaching THEM! They are never going to find you!
    Don’t go for quantity, but for quality.
    Search profiles that interest you and you think could be interested in yours, read them well, and contact them with a message that refers to what you find interesting in their profile. You can’t find anything interesting? Search
    further!

    7. Focus on getting the skills to be a sex goddess.

    Does this sounds like hard work?
    Well it is!

    Succesful sugar is NOT getting money thrown at you by eager millionaires, only
    because of your existence or because you are “worth it”, you want to have “fun”, you are a “princess”, you are “outgoing”, you are “young”, or “hot”, ore make nice “armcandy”.

    And last but not least:
    Sugar is not for everyone, it can be very damaging, do realize that and only enter in the sugarbowl if you are ready for it.
    Not because you are desperate!

    So far, Aunt Elaine 😉

  204. Alexis says:

    “Wow, feel like this is an interviewing process now.”

    It is. It always is, at least with a good quality SD/SM.

    “I know my worth as a woman…”

    That couldn’t be more obscure. Most SBs are women, nothing really too special about that. You’ve got to bring more to the table than JUST being a woman.

    “I do understand and know why we are all here, and have went on two dates with POT which they ask me that old considerable question after the date was over will I spend the night with them, my response to them was I am no escort. I’m not going to have sex with them on the first date.”

    No discussion of allowance? No agreement on a pay-per-meet amount? If no, you need to learn to filter the guys better, so you don’t keep wasting your time like this.

    “I’m not going to have sex with them on the first date.”

    If an agreement has been created by the end of the first day and they have already handed you some cash, then why not? I really hope you change your mind about that. What are you going to wait until?… the second date? or third? Seriously, what’s the difference between first, second, or third date? Someone who seriously intends on creating an agreement isn’t going to wait around until you’re “ready”. Hell, a SD/SM can get all that stress for free. 😉

  205. Josh says:

    Olà sweetie. :)

  206. sweetie says:

    Hello, all! How is everyone doing?
    I see some new faces around. Welcome!

    Ursus, how old are you and why Ursus? … if you don’t mind me asking.

  207. Josh says:

    Yippe!!!

    I got “validated” by a young chick who called me “handsome man with nice, well kept teeth.”

    Did she say that because she is expecting money from me? Bummer! :(

  208. Josh says:

    Most women suck in sex.

    Most women think that they are doing a good job or men would be complaining.

    Most men have bare minimum expectations from women in the sex department.

    Most men don’t complain because for them horrible sex is better than no sex.

  209. Josh says:

    THAT, my dear, is the holy grail of attracting, getting and keeping a right SD.

    Next question for Josh Guru?

  210. Josh says:

    What do you have to offer (other than sex) to a potential “right SD”? 😉

  211. bella8553 says:

    @josh

    Wow, feel like this is an interviewing process now. I know my worth as a woman as I am sure plenty of men know there worth here. I want a mentor and mutual beneficial for both parties. I do understand and know why we are all here, and have went on two dates with POT which they ask me that old considerable question after the date was over will I spend the night with them, my response to them was I am no escort. I’m not going to have sex with them on the first date. So how can you find the right one for you when majority of the men want to just have sex with you for a free meal they paid for?

  212. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “Actually I had the disappearing room happen in Carmel at a very highly rated place.”

    I hear you. Maybe where you live Motel 6 is considered high class, but where I live Motel 6 still gets 1-2 stars.

    Or maybe you are using a computer from the 80s. You gotta be careful with them suckers. They have a habit of messing with hotel reservations. 😉

  213. Josh says:

    The first communicatuon I get from this 20 year-old, whom I contacted, is that she works all the time and is dealing with a lot.

    Forget panties hitting the floor and all that jazz. She’s giving me her shit test (guilt version-part 1) long before I am anywhere close to her panties.

    Who the fuck cares? I am mot here to meet up with someone who works a lot and a has lot going on. I am here to have some sexual as well as non-sexual good time with fun girls.

    Which plant these SBs live on? I am sure that the air they breath has pot mixed into it. 😉

  214. Josh says:

    @bella8553

    “are there any tips in picking out the right SD for you?”

    I can give you a variety of responses. But first things first. What do you have to offer to a potential “right SD”?

  215. Josh says:

    @Laura

    Tienen algunos SDs finas en Nordstrom.

  216. bella8553 says:

    I’m new here and have been reading all of you guys comments. I’m new to the SB lifestyle, are there any tips in picking out the right SD for you?

  217. gtt_envy says:

    @Elaine and @KMS, first off Elaine I’m younger than you!! Believe it or not there are Women who want $$, which is relative, but aren’t willing to be with someone their dad’s age. They just want to have fun, do fun things, and if they can get their car note paid and rent well that’s awesome!! I’m under 40! So, often I don’t have to give much at all. I’ve never given over $1500/mo anyway. I’ve met woman that are all about the $$$$ and I obviously won’t click with them at all. I click with women who want a younger, hip, in shape, fun guy who pays their rent, takes them on daycations, and is current. Different strokes for different folks 😉

    @KMS, These aren’t SB’s anymore these were girls that in the past were and we had monthly allowances, but for various reasons we don’t hang out much. When we do it’s just “Hey, what’s up? How have you been? Wanna catch up this weekend?” “Dinner, drink, etc?” sometimes it’s me texting them other times it’s them texting me like the girl tom night. It may it be because of the past, or they quasi like to be with me, or just need a little help whatever it is they are fine with $250, dinner, drink, a sweet card, and a night of good sex with toys etc.

    My normal SB arrangements always start off as 1-3 nights a month $1250/mo, weekend getaways, dinner, drinks, concerts, gifts, so much more usually $2500-$3000 in total expenditures. They often turn into just friends that we bang every couple of weeks which works for me 😉

    Also remember the locale this is the south think Alabama/Georgia not LA or NYC. $1000/mo here is solid very few college students are making that when your choice of jobs are malls, sin industry, and retail.

    I totally understand if I were in a big city my way would not work nearly as well good for me I don’t 😉

  218. Laura says:

    Xoxo donde encuentras un SD así? Da el truco !!

  219. gentle(man)soul says:

    @RSD

    Unfortunately, I think my respectful treatment sometimes is misinterpreted as a sign of need or desperation, which in turn makes SBs think they can get away with anything, and that has led to a number of premature sugar terminations.

    Would that be pregnancy terminations ? Or relationship ? or both ?
    Yes ,I know it’s hard to believe but nice guys get walked upon and taken advantage of .

  220. gentle(man)soul says:

    @flyR
    I want a “baby” who will grow up and be independent, not one who wants to be dependent
    @Ursus
    very rewarding friendships that give me back the good feeling of knowing I can be of help.

    Altruism abounds ! Cue the epic music ,sound the cymbals, and show corn fed girls skipping through the meadow. If my daughter were an SB I would want flyR. Ursus sounds nice too .

    Now ,(cue the villianous organ music) if you want your daughter to get some life long sexual skills and not just a Chanel purse collection -you know who to call .Teach ’em how to fish –right ?

    My college prep course begins tomorrow ,so we shall see how quickly my student learns .

    @Elaine

    Karlie would not be treated as a disposable by yours truly either . She even said when the money was low —-she stuck by her man . Wait ?! Hmmmm Karlie –sounds so familiar —Naaah ,couldn’t be ? My Karlie ??

    And Dear Elaine , I would be lucky to have a girl like you –even at a stiff $250 /per .

  221. RSD says:

    I can see how a courtesan would have significant appeal. I had one SB whom I would describe that way. She had a bit of experience over the years being an SB and she knew how to treat a man with respect and consider the particular demands (and benefits) of being with a wealthy, successful man. It didn’t last more than a few months before she turned up pregnant though. But in general SBs do need to realize that I am not their pimple-faced 19-year-old bf and am used to being treated with (and also treating others with) a certain level of courtesy and respect. Unfortunately, I think my respectful treatment sometimes is misinterpreted as a sign of need or desperation, which in turn makes SBs think they can get away with anything, and that has led to a number of premature sugar terminations.

  222. Ursus says:

    I’ve never commented on the blog but the currently ongoing discussion is too interesting to pass.
    I’ve been on both ends, meeting a SB that was on the site just for the physical part and never took money from me, and handing in money to girls that were in dire straits and never touching them.
    I tend to look for smart girls, never the “shopping kind”, and have had a couple of great experiences in the site. I truly believe in helping each other, and this does not mean giving money only. It could mean getting them a job, or getting a struggling artist help with getting to know people that can help her realize her dream.
    Yes I have had several platonic relationships, where I’ve taken care of travel and expenses, but no other money ever changed hands. They are very rewarding friendships that give me back the good feeling of knowing I can be of help.
    As for ending a relationship, I prefer texting, its less intense that a meeting, but still allows for exchanging views until all things are clear.

  223. flyR says:

    Actually I had the disappearing room happen in Carmel at a very highly rated place.

  224. Josh says:

    After putting out with her projects for a decade she gets a bright idea that she wants to put out for “Substantial” allowance. 😉

    Demographics is 27 year-old, mixed ethnicity, 5′-1″.

    About Me

    I’m an entrepreneur. I’m highly intelligent and have an immense amount of life experience. I am not a typical sugar baby. In fact I am not a sugar baby. If money could buy my love I would have been bought a long time ago. I am just here to find someone of the same caliber as me. Who is single because they choose to be because they too are “picky”, like myself and too busy with work. I need someone who understands business like I do, or better and to be financially secure because it reflects a mans drive and passion. So I will be waiting for you to connect with me because maybe you’re having just as bad of luck finding someone the usual ways. Im spiritual. Business minded. Humorous. Laid back. Unbelievably positive. Active.Fit.Sexy. Risk taking. Strong headed. Intuitive. Empathetic. Drama free. Bisexual and so much more…. People tell me I resemble Tila Tequila and Jennifer Lopez and Eva Mendes. So if you like that type than you will have no problem looking at me 😉 I’m not the fake bimbo type. To be honest I make great arm candy. My boyfriends in the past have made mentions of how they love how often people’s head turn and how both women and men strongly desire me.

    What I’m looking for

    What I want depends on what it is you have to offer. If we meet and we only have a friend vibe than that is what I would like to be. If we meet and I feel otherwise well then we can take it from there. Or maybe we will meet and we can become business associates and I could gain a mentor… If I’m lucky you will be a mixture of all three… I’m open to it all. My career is my number one priority and I need to find someone who relates to that and supports my vision. I want to meet a man who appreciates my hard work and passion and nourishes my career and goals rather than drain my time, energy and money like others have in the past. I desire a real connection with someone who wants fun getaways that don’t come with the drama and stress of the common relationship.

  225. Josh says:

    “I have had too many bad experiences with some of the computer booking services to chance that on a SB unless I checked in a couple hours early to make sure the room was really there.”

    I hear you. The above will continue to happen if you continue to choose 1 stars and 2 stars motels. 😉

    Next time try 3+ stars hotels and you results would be much better, and if you stick with 4+ stars you shall not have bad experiences.

    Capisce?

  226. Josh says:

    And as far as hitting the jackpot as a courtesan, maybe it requires more efforts as a lot of SBs are willing to make?”

    I will donate $1 to the Princess Syndrome Foundation for every SB who can spell courtesan and donate $1 for every SB who can spell college. 😉

  227. flyR says:

    ”The return on sugar, if invested properly in education, is far higher than the return on sugar spent on nails, yet another bikini, and the latest Hermes purse. Plus, I want a “baby” who will grow up and be independent, not one who wants to be dependent for life.””

    Of even greater importance is that the SB who is not obsessed with trinkets is likely to be a much more interesting and sensually aware young woman. I’m not talking about the woman who would like one of something but rather the kardashian breed of I am what I buy.

    I feel for the married SD who need to get hotel rooms and such. Too many years of traveling and I would just as soon never see another hotel door unless it is on a beach or European city. It also changes the economics. I have had too many bad experiences with some of the computer booking services to chance that on a SB unless I checked in a couple hours early to make sure the room was really there.

    When I was in undergrad school there were a number of coeds who had a weekly dinner with Aunt Mildred. As my cousin prez of her sorority explained there were a couple of women who bridged the gap which SA now does between gentlemen and young ladies.

    My sense is that it is really a supply and demand driven issue. In small towns with large liberal universities there’s likely to be more SB’s than SD’s and the cost of living is much lower. A $250 evening is the equivalent of three days at McDonalds and takes care of half of the rent on a very nice 2br shared apartment. In San Francisco it doesn’t go very far.

  228. Elaine says:

    Mmmm, I suppose Karlie is not treated as an disposable, easy replaceable body by her SD
    Just a guess…. :-)

    And as far as hitting the jackpot as a courtesan, maybe it requires more efforts as a lot of SBs are willing to make?

  229. gentle(man)soul says:

    Karlie Reed says:

    I’ve stuck to my SD even when their wives were suspicious or when the money was low. Even when he told me I have to stay clear, he kept calling and coming over. His excuse was he couldn’t get enough of me. I would never drop my sugar daddy, only if he needs the space.

    Good for you Karlie ! Your SD is a lucky man !

    @KMS
    Oh Sweetie, You protesteth too much ! You and I could probably try an IRL relationship -just an affair . Money would only contaminate the growing affection .

    I forget -do you have a current SD ?

  230. Kms2014 says:

    Medicine? Your posts are amusing and make me sad for your SBs…and easy to tease–that is all 😉 You really are not a match for my wits to get into a banter type scenario…sorry.

    Nope…a bad boy has some redeeming or sexy, albeit naughty qualities…or, is sexy bad but just misunderstood. Who is a 60 something guy who brags about making his SBs, who he even admits are probably professional escorts pay back $300 or get back on a gravy train, at cheaper prices, a bad boy, on a blog? Really? Hehehe!

  231. Karlie Reed says:

    I’ve stuck to my SD even when their wives were suspicious or when the money was low. Even when he told me I have to stay clear, he kept calling and coming over. His excuse was he couldn’t get enough of me. I would never drop my sugar daddy, only if he needs the space.

  232. gentle(man)soul says:

    @Josh

    I appreciate your sardonic wit ! I am the current dogsbody or “bad boy”

    @KMS

    I’m just handing you back a little of your own medicine . Don’t take it too seriously My Angel

    @Elaine

    A true courtesan is the top tier of Sugarhood. It is a good gig if you can get it . I suppose you could say that all SBs aspire to hit this jackpot of all jackpots . Good for you Elaine !

  233. Elaine says:

    @ gentle(man)soul

    Well it is not to hard to know more about escort prices, just Google..
    And it was not my words I copied and pasted from the original post.
    “Paltry”…, didn’t even know the word, but again: …Google! :-)

    And no, it is not attitude, it is knowing that you are offering something rare.
    I am my SDs trustee, their friend, their courtesan, their mistress.
    And fortunally there is still enough SDs on this site looking for what I am offering.
    And whealthy enough to be able to afford that kind of luxury.

    And no, that is not being entitled, because I agree, entitlement is not going to land you any SD.
    Some bloggers have seen my profile, and I think they can confirm I am selfconfident but not entitled.

    “A true Courtesan, as a yacht, a plane or a classic car, is not a cheap hobby, thus I am not for everyone … I do realize that.”

    And my SDs do too. 😉

  234. Kms2014 says:

    Not if he and I spoke for long periods of time and it was not meant or expected to be a sexual type relationship. Would I feel bad taking money from someone, if the illusion was that I would eventually become sexual with them, and I then did not(knowingly)–yes, I would, but that wasn’t the case in that particular incident..although, very rare, yes. Do you not feel bad making your SB pay back $300? That is actually pretty comical…hope you are joking…I’ve loaned that to friends before, and haven’t been paid back..no big deal. Is $300 really that big of a deal to you? Like I said the other day, spent that at the vet the other day. If that were you, guess you would have had the dog put down, since he cannot pay you back?

    If you are getting off on my insults, then will stop…some men like that sort of thing but is just my
    personality. Grown up love is quite capable under the age of 50….or even under 40. Or, under 30. Not going over 50 anytime soon…so, sorry to burst your droopy balls bubble.

  235. Josh says:

    @gentle(man)soul

    “Josh seems to be the only guy not sucking up . Somebody has to be the dogsbody I guess .”

    Come again gentle? I don’t know what you’re referring to. 😉

  236. gentle(man)soul says:

    @ KMS
    Soulman, you could go ahead and offer to give me the lump sum of $12,000 just to have coffee with you, and would still say ‘no’. Have been given more than that, as an occasional lump sum for past school loan help, from an out of town SD that I never even became intimate with as he was just a mentor. Gentleman do exist on this site…

    Gentleman = sucker KK ? If you can rinse a guy without working for it why not ?Don’t you feel a eensy weensy bit bad taking money for nothing ?

    Waiting on my SB I loaned $300 to. We are working it off at $50/pop. Is that wrong ?

    @KMS

    No matter how much you insult me I am in it for the long term . I know you secretly hunger for the challenge of some gentle soul . (grownup love )

  237. gentle(man)soul says:

    Kms2014 says:

    GenuineSD…wish you would post more often…we need more classy SDs on blog ):

    There you go, thank you K ! Your wish is my command -A spate of posts ( : Josh seems to be the only guy not sucking up . Somebody has to be the dogsbody I guess .

    It’s good for you guys to hear a more realistic POV in addition to the guys spending $600/night on a room . For those of you not finding an SD you might consider getting down from that high horse and be more creative . If you help a Pot SD figure out how to make things work together it can be a win -win arrangement .

    My former SB I had a 1 1/2 yr arrangement with was more Ahhhh inspiring for you ladies . I truly loved her and spent about $ 35,000/year for her . Money and sex was never mentioned after the M&G and sex was part of that 1st meeting .I paid her by the visit , would have trusted her to pay monthly but the cash flow worked better that way (Working with the SD as above ) I gave her a flat sum per week and since she was interested in taking care of things We stayed in $50 hotels that she booked.She was frugal and preferred to keep more money than stay in a fancier hotel(working to make things work for the SD) She was a college Senior when we met at a prestigious Ivy League School so she was not some low rent hooker. (Not that there is anything wrong with low rent hookers LOL .)

  238. Kms2014 says:

    Soulman, you could go ahead and offer to give me the lump sum of $12,000 just to have coffee with you, and would still say ‘no’. Have been given more than that, as an occasional lump sum for past school loan help, from an out of town SD that I never even became intimate with as he was just a mentor. Gentleman do exist on this site…

    By the way, not sure where your blog name, ‘gentleman-soul’ derived from, since you appear to have neither–perhaps, as an oxymoron of some sort.

    Speaking of monkeys….have seen baboon’s bottoms, at the zoo, with more gentleman tendencies than what you write about here, displaying what you are :-/

  239. gentle(man)soul says:

    @Elaine
    “Even an escort would cost more($250), and she surely will not be a “steaming hot”* 20 something, “chitchatting” and “hanging out” with you for that price.

    And bragging over getting it for”a paltry $250″ is even worse, it is class less.”

    Elaine ,how do you know escort demographics ? HMMM ? I agree bragging over a heady sum such as $250 is tasteless ,but see below .
    a “paltry” 250 ? No wonder ladies who have that attitude have trouble getting SDs (present company excluded I’m sure )

    Just met a Super cute 19 yr old college(American sp ) freshman . For a simple canoodle and free sexual and life training with a hot gentleman she will be scoring $100/week for 4 yrs. If she provides great company maybe raises will be in her future . There is usually no free ride ladies .

    RE: Truly wealthy SDs (only a handful on SA)

    If money is no object ,then sharing boatloads of lucre with an adorable SB would be amazingly satisfying . Most SDs have a budget –some larger than others .

  240. Kms2014 says:

    GenuineSD…wish you would post more often…we need more classy SDs on blog ):

  241. Elaine says:

    @ flyR:

    “With all due respect to Josh, I would not go to a hotel room to meet an sd whom you can not find on linkedin, google or similar unless you have had a couple long meetings and discussed his need to be a man of mystery.”

    I would NEVER go to a hotelroom with a non traceable SD!
    I did this once, with the very first pot I met (call it a lack of experience) and even though it turned out fine and I found out the same evening who he really was, I would never do that again.

    ONLY SOME married guys (most of SA) are not going to expose themselves until they get to know and trust the SB (maybe never)

    OTHER married guys ONLY want to go to a hotelroom with a an SB they know and trust….

    None of my married SDs ever tried to hide who they were.
    They trusted me. And i trusted them
    And with reason.
    Because those LT relationships were built on confidence, friendship and intimacy.
    Not only “hotness”, or sex or money.

  242. Kms2014 says:

    You can always dream that little dream, soulman, with your hopes too high, but balls sagging too low(for my tastes, anyways).

  243. gentle(man)soul says:

    Kms2014 says:

    I don’t even get the $250 p4p? Isn’t p4p supposed to be a larger sum, so that the women don’t feel as bad about the ‘hit it and split it’ type thing, or the occasional meets?

    Honey ,at $250 /pop I will make you my one and only ! That is $12,000 /yr for having invigorating conversation ,having multiple orgasms per session ,and being THE only SB to receive all that mentoring from such A Gentle Soul. XOXO

  244. gentle(man)soul says:

    Sorry for the string but catching up on previous posts

    @KMS
    I believe I am falling in lust with you . Lets trade contacts so we can insult each other privately LOL
    @Josh
    You crack me up !
    flyR says:I’ll generally read the profile before opening the message. If the sender is 100 miles away or has other disqualifying characteristics I do not open the mail.
    In Brazil ? Sure ,but some hot SBs list a distant city but are traveling through my area ,so I have made some good contacts that way .

    @KMS
    What the hell kind of mother would encourage her daughter to take up with a married man? I don’t know any mothers like that, unless her mother was a mistress herself
    Blog friends have scored both mother AND daughter SBs off SA at the same time. Of course I think it is disgusting !! THe mother would be WAY too old for me .

    @flyR
    One of the earliest was a sweet girl who was a very late bloomer in high school. Mercilessly teased for her lack of breasts and boyish frame. Junior year at ivy league school she was working in prestigious museum as a volunteer when the director became infatuated. Two years later she came back to the west coast one of the most beautiful and polished women around, socially far ahead of her classmates, even those who attended other prestigious schools and did the full sorority deal.
    SO ,the moral of the story is : If you are flat and scrawny date a nerdy museum director .

    @Angie
    I know this was my first experience as a sb, but it made me wonder… Is this how it works? was I meant to sleep with this guy on the first/second date even without an arrangement?

    Hell yes ! What do you expect ? Seriously ,you need to get THE Arrangement down 1st . But sleep with him shortly thereafter –absolutely !

    flyR says:

    With all due respect to Josh, I would not go to a hotel room to meet an sd whom you can not find on linkedin, google or similar unless you have had a couple long meetings and discussed his need to be a man of mystery.

    Crazy man ! married guys (most of SA) are not going to expose themselves until they get to know and trust the SB(maybe never )

  245. Elaine says:

    @RDS

    “I couldn’t do $250 P4P, I’d feel bad for the SB.
    I want someone whom I can treat with respect and who will treat me with respect also. I don’t need love and admiration, but respect should be a requirement for both SBs and SDs.”

    Well, that is exactly what I meant with the “monkeys vs peanuts”.
    Some here are proud to “get it” at $250.
    And then complain about the quality of SBs…

    But how can you expect respect when you don’t treat others with respect?
    How can you expect a SB to not treat you as an “transaction” if you do treat her as a “bargain”?
    That is respectless!
    Even an escort would cost more, and she surely will not be a “steaming hot”* 20 something, “chitchatting” and “hanging out” with you for that price.

    And bragging over getting it for”a paltry $250″ is even worse, it is class less.

    * Steaming hot…
    Really!?
    Do adult, succesful businessmen in the US really use these words to describe a beautiful women?
    Where I live only 15y old adolescents do….

  246. RSD says:

    Aw KMS, but you probably know that on SA we get what we get not what we deserve 😉

  247. Kms2014 says:

    You really deserve a nice, quality SB, RSD…you seem to really care about the girl’s well-being and the one SB you used to have.

  248. RSD says:

    @flyr, I do prefer an SB who “invests” her allowance into a better future for herself, as opposed to one who uses it to live in the present. The return on sugar, if invested properly in education, is far higher than the return on sugar spent on nails, yet another bikini, and the latest Hermes purse. Plus, I want a “baby” who will grow up and be independent, not one who wants to be dependent for life.

  249. Josh says:

    “Rant off.”

    For little bit at least.

  250. RSD says:

    @Elaine, I couldn’t do $250 P4P, I’d feel bad for the SB. Some profiles are obvious for selling sex, others can be more subtle. I want someone whom I can treat with respect and who will treat me with respect also. I don’t need love and admiration, but respect should be a requirement for both SBs and SDs.

    @KMS, I don’t know what professional matchmaker finds mistresses. I’ve thought of trying IRL sugar dating again, but with people I know there are further complications to worry about, and I’m more likely to end up with girls who want happily-ever-after with me.

  251. FlyR says:

    @kms. Let’s compare a year of $3k sugar to one low budget Obama campaign dinner . The $36k dinner ticket doesn’t get me into the reception a table for 10 would.

    My $36 k sugar pays about 60% of her tuition at a top 10 B school. It will save her a couple hundred thousand in debt service. She’ll have more time to do worthwhile projects . Her comment about the social cost of being a SB – my typical Friday night would be beer pong and the guys watching ball. Expected to provide sex and close the door on the way out.

    Back to the Obama dinner. We went big time and took the table $360k. Why. Because we expect 10-50 times the cost in benefits, nobody at the table gives a rats ass about the taxpayers. Our $ 360 will get a couple of strategically placed words in an rfp or a call over to doj which will result in another call from dc to the local office suggesting that harassment of our client is career threatening or to lighten up on a contract. Taxpayers loose again.

    The moral of the story is that sugar is an investment in the future of good people. Ok if you are funding a crack habit you deserve what you get and the hope that you doc can cure it.

    Rant off.

  252. Kms2014 says:

    I don’t even get the $250 p4p? Isn’t p4p supposed to be a larger sum, so that the women don’t feel as bad about the ‘hit it and split it’ type thing, or the occasional meets? That is why I never did the p4p thing, on SA. So many guys on site are focusing on many women, giving them each, I thought, larger sum than $250, but spreading the amount across all these rotating women….instead of that, preferred the guy who focuses on one or two SBs, then gives an allowance to her, instead of ‘spreading the wealth’ amongst a harem of ladies…

  253. Elaine says:

    @ RSD

    “I don’t get so many take-my-money-and-run types as other SDs describe (it has happened, but it is very infrequent”

    Exactly, and there is a reason for that!
    You make a decent offer and you get decent reactions from clever and accomplished girls.
    Who wouldn’t even look at $250 (really!?) P4P proposals.

    And yes, of course there will always be worthless types of people on sites like this.
    Like the “princesses who deserve to be spoiled” types , but you are clever enough to weed most of them out I guess.
    A good reader will trace the indications already in the picture and profile…

  254. Kms2014 says:

    Was just teasing about inflation 😉

  255. RSD says:

    @KMS, well, I have not adjusted for inflation, because you can live as well of $4K/month now as you could five years ago.

    With my “gem” SB, her tuition and rent went up every year, and I took care of the rise in tuition and rent and she got the same amount of disposable cash at the end. Later, as the twice-a-week arrangement kinda fell apart and we were seeing each other pretty much all the time, the $4K went by the side also. She got a credit card and spent whatever she wanted and there was zero correlation between sex and money, especially considering that that’s when the sex dropped drastically. I guess she did better with strict expectations in regards to sex.

  256. Kms2014 says:

    I wasn’t referring to you with the validation thing, RSD 😉 Think you seem like a nice enough SD…just, is hard to find a genuine connection, and age/looks type that you see combination, all in one, it looks like. Which, makes you selective….is not a bad thing as long as what you seek is realistic. And, there are questionable ladies on site, yes, so makes the selection process more trying. You could, maybe, go to a professional type matchmaker for a mistress and pay a fee to have someone found for you?

  257. Jacob says:

    “You, my friend, are a couplefewsomemany decades too late to find many women receptive to your givings. You’ve missed the boat. The ship has fucking sailed.”

    Another example illustrating how easily the female brain is washed by propaganda repeating the boilerplate mainstream lies of her time. Why do you think women with professional degrees, like engineers, doctors, nurses and lawyers, have much higher rates of taking several years off for child bearing than the liberal arts nobodies and non-degreed women? Because they can afford to, thanks to the husbands they are able to catch, and they choose to focus on their children despite their own earning potential being much greater than the no-body and spiteful busy-body sisters. That’s one of the fundamental reasons why wealthier families are getting wealthier, whereas poorer families are spiraling down into generational poverty.

    Are people really that dumb as to believe in the Marxian linear progression theory when it comes to gender relationship in society? Do you really think human history “evolves” from male-dominated to female-dominated just once, and you just happened to be lucky to witness it first hand in the past few decades (out of a human history of thousands of years)? Unlike witnessing the first iPhone, with iPhone 2,3,4 . . . 6 . . . to follow along with iPad and iWatch, and iPod, Mac, AppleII before it (practically infinite number of milestones to be wintessed) there are only two genders in the world! You really think you are so special as to witness that once in a history transition?

    Human history rhymes in cycles, including gender relationship. Women attained very high social status in late Roman and late Classical Greek periods, then their demographics collapsed. Ancient Greeks were replaced by the more “robustly multiplying” Romans; Romans were in turn replaced by barbarians. In Western Europe, we are already witnessing the replacement of Christianized ex-Barbarians (Germans, Franks, etc.) by Muslims with a much more oppressive views towards women but reproduce efficiently. I suspect the process is similar to what the ancient Greeks recognized as cycles of human society, Kyklos: tyranny, oligarchy and democracy/ochlocracy in cycles . . . simply because the population can not stop themselves from abusing the system and turn it into a degenerate form. It’s only a matter of time.

    Likewise, the contemporary religion of women being able to have or enjoy identical life schedule as that of men despite a much more front-loaded biological reality (advantage early on, disadvantage later) is a false god. Ship already sailed? How is that female sailer’s life of wasting the prime years on cock-carousal giving it away for free then spending the rest of her life with a bunch of cats turning out? Is validation through narcissistic admiration of one’s own sh*tty unfeminine attitude really worth the hardship and trouble in the long run?

    As a father of a pre-teen daughter, I will be encouraging my daughter to get married and have babies between 18-24, then take out about 10yr for the kids before pursuing her professional degrees in the mid-30’s with the biological task and mother experience already behind her. Professional fields like engineering, doctors, dentists, nurses and lawyers all require continuous practice in order to advance. It would be pointless to have a decade-long interruption in the middle of a career while the student debt pile up due to ongoing interest (or lack of return for a decade if I pay for her schools entirely then having to rebuild from scratch again due to knowledge obsolescence and decade long hole in the CV). With babies behind her, she will also have the drive to seek academic and professional validation because she would be less distracted by sexual validations from men who throw all sorts of praises and gifts at her.

    You heard it here first. I suspect this new life schedule for women will be talked about much more openly in 5-10 years. The noises we hear now about where the men went, troubles with menopausal women, and even legalizing polygamy are only the beginning of backlash against 2nd/3rd wave “feminism.” We in the western culture either come up with a solution that will get the young women off the cock-carousal in their reproductive prime years and get them focus on being good mothers, or we will be replaced by a fundamentalist muslims or other religious fanatics on a demographic scale. That would be the dawn of a new Dark Age, not just for women.

  258. Josh says:

    Kms2014 is drinking the good stuff this morning. 😉

  259. RSD says:

    @KMS, in all honesty, I did not come to SA to pay for sex. Sadly, over 5 years I struggle not to let it get reduced to that.

    With my first IRL SB, I had this crazy urge to take care of her (mentor her and support her), and I did the first for a few weeks until we ended up in bed (no quid-pro-quo, no mention of money at all), and then I let the financial support flow. She never asked, I just gave, and I gave plenty. I loved taking care of her and she loved me and being taken care of by me. And yes, the sex was beyond awesome, but it was not even remotely a cash-for-sex deal.

    Once that ended, I wanted the same thing again, someone I’d take care of and she’d adore me and the sex would just happen naturally and be awesome. But I was completely disappointed. Basically 90% of SBs here are looking either for a John or an idiot to rinse, and the sex goes from horrid (me faking an orgasm just to get it over with) to mediocre to occasionally decent. It is too easy to turn the whole thing into a cash-for-sex deal, but I find little satisfaction in that.

  260. Kms2014 says:

    RSD…you do not adjust for inflation?

  261. FlyR says:

    @rsd. If I were advising your $4k. SB #1. Would to make sure that you are never wanting . It’s not that $4k sd are so rare but that they usually come with string – physical or mental. You sound like the exception.

    you might offer a little more about what creates value

  262. Elaine says:

    @ No Josh

    No absolutely not! It was not referring to looks.

    It is a way of saying that you get what you pay for.
    My SD used it in reference to the correlation between paying decent salaries and getting good employees.

    But I find this a quote that counts for sugar too.

    The coed who gets “a paltry $250″, is not very likely to make one extra step for her “SD”…

  263. RSD says:

    “Pay peanuts and you get monkeys”

    Well, there is some wisdom to these words in the sense that if you change what you offer you will attract different types of people.

    However, I have offered the same thing now for five years: $4K/month (yes, up front monthly allowance) in return for meeting twice a week. It’s not peanuts in terms of arrangements out there, but it’s not extreme either. I don’t get so many take-my-money-and-run types as other SDs describe (it has happened, but it is very infrequent), but I have gotten a wide variety of types of people, from extremely smart and accomplished girls who respect me and put in effort to make things work, to complete worthless losers who deserve to starve.

  264. Kms2014 says:

    The girls seem to be offering their pretty monkey at a deep deep discount…

    Never understood why a man would seek validation from women, much less on a site where he pays them for sex. I say pay for sex(no offense here, but that is the context, in which it was made)…I mean, the way I look at a man and what kind if person he is and how he carries himself, treats his family, how he communicates with others…and most importantly, his confidence level and security in himself. This has nothing to do with SA, really, as this is all character traits. Not saying this person is bad for seeking this validation, but what good does it do to seek it with women who are looking to be paid, at hooking up in hotel room? Had a SD say that to me once, when we asked each other what we were looking for, he said, ‘validation’. Although, he was being honest, it made him look very insecure to me….which, is not a trait women find attractive..or a trait men find attractive in women. With that being said, $250 is almost free 😉

  265. Josh says:

    @Elaine,

    “As my SD says:
    “Pay peanuts and you get monkeys”
    He is a wise man…”

    Did you just call some pretty coeds, monkey?

  266. Pandora says:

    Show up, be nice and offer him candies politely k…

  267. Alexis says:

    “Sadly it appears the SA programmers keep changing both the new and old site and stuff that worked yesterday is a mess today -”

    Seriously lol, I’m not getting messages until they are 12, 16, and 22 hours old.

  268. Elaine says:

    “Maybe I’m getting greedy IDK… (probably) sometimes I think we all want that smoking hot 20′s something to say “I don’t want your money I just want you!!”

    Good news for you GTT!
    If they sleep with you, hang out with you, and chit chat with you, getting “a paltry” $250, it is practically the same as saying this!

    Gosh, you really have found yourself some bargains..

    @RSD

    “Simple test that an SB likes me is if they want see me three times more than agreed without wanting a penny more. Those three were like that, others would try to suck money and sucker their way out of meets.”

    You have a point here, and I think a real SB, who feels appreciated, and attracted to her SD, should pass this test without any problems.

    Hmmm, don’t know, but I have this feeling GTT’s “SBs” will not.

    As my SD says:
    “Pay peanuts and you get monkeys”
    He is a wise man…

  269. Josh says:

    “I know I will be your ATM machine, but at least use wording that acknowledges I’m human.”

    😉

  270. RSD says:

    I’m really not looking for genuine feelings from an SB at all at this point. What I am looking for appears no easier to find–someone with a brain who can speak/write proper English and who can carry on a conversation about something besides alcohol/drugs, the latest rave, and relationships/sex. I’m looking for a “college student” not a “collage student” and an SB who wants “an SD who will spoil me the way I deserve to be spoiled,” not the SB who wants “a SD that will spoil me.” I know I will be your ATM machine, but at least use wording that acknowledges I’m human.

  271. Josh says:

    @Gwen

    Women are so used to the double standard in common courtesy it is not even funny.

    Practically speaking, this article sucks, and since you have your expectations of chivalry from men built so high you don’t even realise the silliness of what you just wrote above. 😉

  272. Josh says:

    @gtt_envy

    Good points. This is why men need to learn to get over themselves.

    Since men choose not to, or may not even know that it is even an option, the horror movie plays over and over and over…

  273. RSD says:

    I don’t disagree with anything you say. I’ve had two SBs who wanted me to leave my wife and be with them, and the age differences were 4 and 10 years. Other than them, I’d say it was nothing more than a business deal for anyone else, even though some liked me more genuinely than others. Actually there was another one ten years younger than me who got super clingy.

    Simple test that an SB likes me is if they want see me three times more than agreed without wanting a penny more. Those three were like that, others would try to suck money and sucker their way out of meets.

  274. gtt_envy says:

    @RSD, you touch on something I’ve brought up many times it’s that “Real, emotional, legitimacy” we crave along with hot sex with a beautiful woman. Regardless of who will admit it we want that ego stroke a bit “She is really with me, she really likes me, she really is attracted to me” that’s why so many guys go to the dreaded land of “I like you so much can we be together for real?” and usually that ends with the SB bolting.

    20yr dare I say 30yr age gaps are serious business for all but the most debonair, charming, and successful men out there.

    I was thinking today…..I have 3 girls that at anytime I can txt them and say “Hey, wanna hang out this week?” Which means hotel and sex…..they don’t text me for money out of the blue, but when we hook up there is definitely the prerequisite amount paid. All are in college and normal. As good as it makes me feel that I’m good enough that they will sleep with me, hang out with me, and chit chat with me for a paltry sum $250 (lol) it’s still $$ changing hands, so I’m not that good, cool, or worth sleeping with on my merit only they still want a little perk. Even though they swear I’m great in bed and they miss me tons.

    Maybe I’m getting greedy IDK… (probably) sometimes I think we all want that smoking hot 20’s something to say “I don’t want your money I just want you!!”

    With that said I am a hanging with the cute, artsy, sexy little freak on Sunday night to make myself feel better for missing that 1 SB who knocked it out of the park.

    Happy sugaring!!

  275. Gwen says:

    This was a good article, I wish more ‘sugar daddies’ would read it! Very professional and sincere as written, however, I have only had SDs text and end the arrangement, or not answer at all. I have only broken off arrangements because they were unbearable, and I do this by ceasing contact. Maybe I don’t have the ‘balls’ to break it off, but personally, I have enough tact to just move along. Next!

  276. flyR says:

    Sorry for the multiple posts – once you have had a couple of sugar relationships you can bend the rules because you have a better grasp on the situation ( situational awareness) . If you have been in a lot of situations with high alpha males you can also bend the rules based on your experience. However, for the 20 YO newbie SB the rules should be the rules.

  277. flyR says:

    With all due respect to Josh, I would not go to a hotel room to meet an sd whom you can not find on linkedin, google or similar unless you have had a couple long meetings and discussed his need to be a man of mystery.

  278. flyR says:

    @angie – First think of SA as fishing with bait , not flyfishing where you have to set the hook on the fly .

    It’s fine to let the profile dangle out there . There will be a lot of chummers and such who will leave multiple emails etc. Occasionally open your mail, discard the trash and hope to find one worthy of responding to.

    You might write a little more in your profile about process. That you expect to meet for coffee to see if there is interest, for lunch or dinner to see if there is an agreeable arrangement. You can always accelerate the process but it is still good to define the process in a way that discourages the “I need to get laid tonight” crowd.

    Before stepping into a hotel room you should have made the decision this is someone you feel comfortable with, you have defined the boundaries of sex perhaps in general ways and have settled on amounts and timing .

    If you are totally comfortable with the person I think it is ok to proceed to consummate the arrangement without the cash in hand but if there is the slightest doubt it should be in your purse before your panties hit the floor. But if you are here it is probably not the first time you have dealt with men-follow your instincts and if there is an imbalance in power be more conservative.

    I disagree with the advice to stick with verified SD’s . When the first started pushing the service I took some time to look into it and came away with the impression that it is a ripoff that adds little to the SB safety and exposes the SD to some significant risks. I am still waiting to hear from the company as I wrote to them a couple years to ago to tell them their privacy policy had some obvious serious editing errors. The essence is that if an SD gives them any information it is their’s to do with what they please, forever and with no recourse if it is wrong.

  279. Josh says:

    @DominantSB

    Whatever. Yawn!

  280. DominantSB says:

    @Josh – Huh? ‘Most SBs work $8/hr jobs…’ is painting the field with a rather broad brush, don’t you think? I mean seriously, unless you live in BFE or have absolutely no marketable skills, only cashier/retail type jobs pay that low.

    @Angie – Just bear in mind that SDs will lie to you repeatedly, even the ‘good’ ones. They may claim to be single, but are really married. They’ll give you fake names, fake numbers, fake emotions and a whole slew of other omissions and inaccurate information. Expect nothing less, and you won’t be disappointed or unprepared. It’s okay, as long as you do not settle for any arrangement that doesn’t satisfy YOUR needs, and they hold up their end of whatever agreement you’ve negotiated. Have fun with them, don’t take them too seriously, and enjoy the benefits of the arrangement. As long as you don’t compromise on the aspects that make it work for you, you’ll never be taken advantage of. When it ends, they are simply another notch on YOUR belt!

  281. Josh says:

    Angie

    Monthly arrangements are not common. Even if your SD agrees on a monthly allowance he will pay you in installments. The reason is simple. Most SBs work $8/hr. (minus taxes) jobs and are not used to getting thousands of dollars without working for it for weeks.

    So when they do, they disappear. Regardless of how “honorable” you think you are, yiu are not getting upfront monthly allowance.

    The SDs who are attracting honorable SBs need to tell me where they live so that I move there and start paying monthly allowances. 😉

  282. Angie says:

    Thank you guys, I also realised I should have read: How to: Meeting a POT sugar daddy, before posting my questions 😉 It makes me understand a bit more.
    Yes both of you are right. And YES DominantSB I will, brush him off like piece of lint and don’t sweat it. haha I will keep that on mind.

  283. Midwestsugardaddy says:

    @Angie The coffee or lunch date thing is normal. Never do a hotel room until the arrangement is in place. I get pics from my sugar baby but we have an arrangement and also have sex regularly. She trusts me.

    Google this guys, check out his Facebook, and his number via privacy star. Do your research first. Is he verified on the site? Most real people are verified. I would be careful with this one.

    My girls get an arrangement before we have sex. I pay half prior to the first sexual experience. I also take them to dinner. Lol. Once I establish that she is reliable, she gets the allowance in a monthly installment. It works for me.

  284. Josh says:

    @Angie

    You have a couple of options:

    1. Post your profile number here so we can determine if you are attracting losers because your profile is written for losers. You might want to put your pictures back on so that we know what kind of assets you are working with.

    2. You should delete your profile and move on. Being a successful SB is not as easy as posting your pictures and some text and SDs would start showering you with money, and not to forget montoring, as promised in SA’s cheesysimos ads.

  285. DominantSB says:

    @Angie – Whether or not you should delete your profile is really dependent upon your reasons and/or expectations for dipping your toes into this realm.

    If you’re gonna stick around you’ll need thick skin. Don’t take everything to heart, because the men certainly don’t. And certainly don’t EVER do anything you’re not comfortable with. The key is to figure out what you want and need to make an arrangement ‘mutually’ beneficial. If a potential SD is not what you are seeking, or if he pressures you, brush him off like piece of lint and don’t sweat it. Being with an SD is supposed to be a fun experience, not something that makes you feel bad or uncomfortable.

  286. Angie says:

    I am just about to delete my profile from SA, but decided to ask some questions before I do it, at least I should try and understand how this works…
    So, a sd contacted me, (this has been my first sa experience)then we moved on to text messages, in one of his text he suggeted we could go for lunch, coffee or hotel room and champagne… I said no to the hotel room… I agreed to lunch but he took me for coffee instead… We met for about half an hour, not enough time to get to know eachother and feel comfortable around someone, I did not mention anything about money and he did not mention anything about an arrangement, he texts later that day saying how lovely it was to meet me and that we should meet again soon… again in his text he mentions a hotel room… I told him straight that coffee for half an hour was great but that there was no way I was going to go to a hotel room on the second date, besides there was not arrangement discussed, he then replied saying that he understood and that we could meet a few more times until I feel more comfortable and that he would give me an allowance per meeting, after that he started asking me to email him pictures of me, I already emailed him a few before we met in person (normal pictures, nothing naughty)but he asked me to email him some more, obviously pictures of me naked… I just stop replying… To me it was such a waste of time. I know this was my first experience as a sb, but it made me wonder… Is this how it works? was I meant to sleep with this guy on the first/second date even without an arrangement? is this the way is done? Was I being to complicated? Did I expect too much thinking it was just like a normal date, getting to know eachother, feel comfortable then move to the next level, have a good time with and arrangement involved…I don’t know how a sugar daddy should be, but to me that guy just wanted some sex and sexy pictures for free. Am I wrong?
    Another question is: What should really be discussed on the first time you meet?
    Sorry to bore you with my story everyone but I would like to give sa a try before I give up. I have already deleted my pictures though ;-(

  287. Josh says:

    @Sexy Kitten

    You don’t “socialize” here, per se.

    You can either get your sugar questions answered or you fight. 😉

  288. Josh says:

    @RSD

    I kinda disagree with that assessment. If you look at the profile of the SB I posted earlier, which contains 10 reasons why she considers herself amazing, you have many elements of what makes a woman potentiality a “gem”.

    I am not saying that everyone’s definition of “gem” would be the same. But either that SB is bullshitting big time or she’s got it at least to be my “gem”.

  289. Sexy Kitten says:

    How do you socialize on this site? I am fairly new to it…

    This was a great blog by the way….really interesting.

  290. RSD says:

    In my experience, gems are not easy to spot apriori. It’s like a novice trying to pick out a diamond from a stash of cubic zirconiums. It’s not until weeks and months go by that their sincerity becomes obvious.

  291. RSD says:

    @gtt, I feel for you. Those gems are not easy to replace.

    I’m kinda suffering sugar malaise. I want a personal connection and something that feels real, but I recognize how rare that is. I don’t feel like I have the energy to meet dozens of people to find that.

  292. Josh says:

    “I’m a collage student”

    I have seen this spelling so many times that I have started to consider it the “British” spelling.

  293. gtt_envy says:

    Hotwire? You have no clue what hotel you are staying at!! Very hit or miss for me. Often Hotwire customers will post based off of their booking experience what 4 star or 5 star hotel is being booked in the area, but in major cities it can change often. I like to know where I’m staying before I book. I know some love it :)

    As far as break ups and farewells……..out of all of the SB’s I’ve had only 1 I really miss and think about with any regularity. She wasn’t the best at everything from a sexual standpoint, but her personality and genuine nature was over the top. Felt as real as any relationship with a 18 year age gap can feel. We talked like Bf/Gf, we held hands, we joked, no pressure ever felt so natural. She never brought up money except in the beginning never a emergency, never a OMG moment, sucks she moved :(

    We talked this week and I forgot how much I miss her…….I need some SB therapy. I did hang out with another girl we had been talking for months she was heavier than she described, but fun. Nothing to write home about, but the proverbial “Hay was rolled” :) good times just not great. Not someone I would want to hang with weekly or anything.

    I need to login me thinks!! To answer the blog questions I always end digitally with a small gift and blame work related projects 100’s of miles away.

  294. RSD says:

    Profile: “I’m a collage student”
    Ugh, our colleges need better admissions standards

  295. RSD says:

    @Jacob, interesting you bring up the issue of her mother, which is a long story in and of itself. She did tell her mom about me rather early on (unbeknownst to me at the time) and the mother was poisoning the relationship, telling her that it would not work, that I was just using her, that I didn’t care about her, etc. It was hurtful for her to hear because she was pretty in love with me and her mom’s words just hurt her. The issue kept coming up as to whether I really cared about her or if she was just a “conquest” for me (an SB isn’t exactly a conquest, but whatever). Eventually I broke up with her and we got back together under condition that she never ask about my feelings again; she concluded that I genuinely liked her at that point and never really questioned it after. She then told me all this about her mom a long time after the drama.

    Of course after I had paid for four years of med school tuition and all her living expenses, her parents (she later told her father also) didn’t criticize me or the relationship, so I don’t think by the time she moved into my apartment her mom was poisoning things. However, by then she thought she found herself a fantasy multi-millionaire boyfriend from facebook (well, he was real, but that it would work was a fantasy–he was a complete jackass who mistreated her), and she ended up getting depressed (laying in bed sobbing endlessly) and that killed sex.

    As for her walking through the floods, she wasn’t gonna get paid at the time. She really wanted to see me more than the two times a week I allotted her, but I was very disciplined about not letting the relationship get out of hand (after my experience with blog SB, where if I saw her six times a week instead of seven I’d get drama). The clinginess was hard on me at the beginning; she would hold on to me and not let go when we said goodbye because she was gonna miss me, and I was just not that clingy. Later I warmed up to the genuine feelings and developed my own genuine feelings for her, but that was about two years later.

  296. DominantSB says:

    @KMS Why the (:

  297. flyR says:

    There was some speculation that posting of a profile number for comments here was really trolling for sugar. There might be 30 SD’s looking at this blog and 30,000 in the us .

  298. Kms2014 says:

    Hey, DominantSB…welcome back (:

  299. Kms2014 says:

    Oh gosh…ygbkm…that was soooo funny (:

  300. Josh says:

    “Sadly it appears the SA programmers keep changing both the new and old site and stuff that worked yesterday is a mess today”

    Dumb and dumber?

  301. flyR says:

    Sadly it appears the SA programmers keep changing both the new and old site and stuff that worked yesterday is a mess today –

  302. Jacob says:

    This one is probably drug-free. I made that requirement quite clear on 1st date. Btw, I did not take the earlier one to $650/night hotel rooms; nor was she heroine addict anyway, just a pot head who experimented with harder stuff one time in a year and threw her own life away as a result.

  303. flyR says:

    The decks of the sugarship are awash in blood….. must be Friday .

    Hopefully there will be some relief over the weekend and we’ll turn the amps down by Monday.

  304. Josh says:

    @Jacob

    “Thanks Josh for suggesting Hotwire; $630 room for $250, sweet!”

    I told you… $250/week is a great price. 😉

  305. Please, Jacob, don’t worry as to if Ill ever find an SD. Worry about why your $650 hotel room overlooking the city only yields you desperate drug heroine addicts, and know in your heart that she’s genuinely repulsed by you.

    And so you know, the SDs I come across find me quite lovely. I don’t care to appeal to you.

  306. Jacob says:

    @ChickSugar
    Not saying you were bragging at all. I was not even paying attention to who was asking for profile review. I was merely pointing out that posting profile ID here can potentially be an effective marketing tool, whether intended or not. Perhaps many people don’t even realize that. Gotta go. Hope you all have a wonderful Friday evening and a fun weekend!

  307. Jacob says:

    LOL, any wonder why gottabekidding can’t find an SD? No amount of profile improvement can help that kind of atrocious personality find an SD.
    Have to go. 2nd date with this hot SB is taking place in a little over half an hour. I like this room overlooking the city. Thanks Josh for suggesting Hotwire; $630 room for $250, sweet! 😉

  308. Nefertiti says:

    “A SD is supposed to give a going away allowance!?” A true one would. It’s sort of like severance pay.

  309. “Jacob says:
    September 12, 2014 at 11:32 am
    LOL. Post at 11:05am illustrates why it is a bad idea to take advice from some/many women: they have no qualms about making up sh*t on the fly and presenting the misleading information as if it were truth. Here is the medical definition of menopause:

    Menopause is time in a woman’s life when her periods (menstruation) eventually stop and the body goes through changes that no longer allow her to get pregnant. It is a natural event that normally occurs in women age 45 – 55.

    The etymological origin is from the word “menarche,” which means menstruation.”

    [sighs]

    What an f-tard.

    Thank you, SunshineOfMyMenses, for enlightening me. Do tell…what would women do without tampons and your coveted wisdom?

    Lemme make myself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and ponder that one for a bit.

    For the love of someone’s holiness, somebody, ANYBODY, buy this man a pony. That’s really all that’s missing from this circus he propagates as truth.

    Try evolving a few decades, JakeShine. You are a prisoner of your own time-warped half-truths, far-fetched fantasies, heroine addicted SB realities, and rapidly inverting penis (but surely your balls are firm). Save yourself from your own psychosis before “manopause” kicks in and exacerbates your already debilitating condition.

    You, my friend, are a couplefewsomemany decades too late to find many women receptive to your givings. You’ve missed the boat. The ship has fucking sailed. No one (except for that one heroine junky you bagged) is subscribing to your agenda. Why not have yourself a Milk of Magnesium cocktail with a twist of prune, and get rid of that heavy load of bullshit you’re carrying around.

    It just occurred to me that tampons were quite possibly intended for people to plug their ears when moronic soothsayers start singing tunes of testosterone hungry nonsense.

    And to think youve been plugging the wrong hole all this time.

    You’re doing it wrong, Jacob. You’re doing it wrong. Get it together, friend.

  310. flyR says:

    @Chic Sugar – The request to moderator to share email with a specific person usually provides some very personalized advice from both sides. Sadly Midwest and others have departed

  311. ChicSugar says:

    Okay flyR.. Thanks for the “various” advice.. Thought this was a friendlier bunch seeing as others got advice here but note taken I’ll try another route.

    And Jacob.. Never even thought of that. Seems like a lot of work just to get some feedback.. I’m probably better off leaving it be if you think I’m bragging LOL

    You all are fun. Take care

  312. Johannie says:

    Thank you all for a good read.

  313. DominantSB says:

    Odd mano/menopausal topic…

  314. Josh says:

    @yougottabemakingstuffup

    Correct. That’s why it is called MANopause. In the olden days it used to be called “pause o man”, but to make it a fancy shmancy jargon, Dr. Whatchamacallit renamed it to manopause.

    Forgive Jacob on that. He doesn’t know all those details. Ok sweetheart? 😉

  315. Jacob says:

    Regarding posting profile# for critiquing, Josh may have touched upon a very effective method: cloning your existing profile and ask for critiques to the clone, then delete that clone profile shortly afterwards. Of course, that would help if one is bragging about her profile and using an excuse to get more eyeball time. LOL.

  316. Jacob says:

    LOL. Post at 11:05am illustrates why it is a bad idea to take advice from some/many women: they have no qualms about making up sh*t on the fly and presenting the misleading information as if it were truth. Here is the medical definition of menopause:

    Menopause is time in a woman’s life when her periods (menstruation) eventually stop and the body goes through changes that no longer allow her to get pregnant. It is a natural event that normally occurs in women age 45 – 55.

    The etymological origin is from the word “menarche,” which means menstruation.

  317. flyR says:

    ““What the hell kind of mother would encourage her daughter to take up with a married man?”

    continued – By way of background when I was married I never messed around or even flirted. However, I have known a number of women whose lives were truly enriched by their relationships with married men at critical times.

    One of the earliest was a sweet girl who was a very late bloomer in high school. Mercilessly teased for her lack of breasts and boyish frame. Junior year at ivy league school she was working in prestigious museum as a volunteer when the director became infatuated. Two years later she came back to the west coast one of the most beautiful and polished women around, socially far ahead of her classmates, even those who attended other prestigious schools and did the full sorority deal.

  318. flyR says:

    getting advice from folks here

    listen to the various folks, if you sense that someone has something to offer in a personal exchange of thoughts/advice you can ask the moderator to share your email contact with the person with whom you want to communicate. If you want profile advice you would then send them your profile number or enough information for them to search ..

    If you are thickskinned you can put your profile number here but the signal to noise ratio is very low.

  319. flyR says:

    ““What the hell kind of mother would encourage her daughter to take up with a married man?”

    I’m not a great fan of young women with married men but what too many young women call dating – dutch treat booty call is probably a step down from dating an appreciative married man.

  320. stfu with your nonsense already.

    “Manopause is a powerful force that hits men between the ages of 40 and 65, as declining testosterone collides head on with the cultural pressures men feel… pressures like having to “man up,” to be strong, powerful, even invulnerable, to hide emotion, and to always be able to perform sexually. This is hard to pull off as fears of mortality creep in. To further complicate matters, men struggle to understand their feelings and often won’t communicate them. It’s easier to ignore or deny their symptoms. That’s when their confused and unexpressed feelings bubble out as irritability, moodiness, anger, hypersensitivity, even depression. This behavior is destructive and can lead to huge problems for men and the women who love them.”

    First of all, get your terminology right. K, princesses?

  321. Josh says:

    Well Jacob is drinking the good stuff again. 😉

  322. Jacob says:

    NPR did an interesting piece on manopausal women a couple weeks ago, essentially recognizing that manopausal women are like teenagers due to the hormones. Perhaps the main stream media, and society at large, are starting to recognize the crisis on the horizon: people who escaped boundary setting 2-3 decades earlier during puberty now struggle against the boundaries being set against them at the time of manopause. It used to be a less of a problem due to either people mostly died around the time of manopause, or most manopausal and post-manopausal women being their husbands’ or families’ responsibilities. Now with the 50% divorce rate “independent” generation reaching manopause and their indulgent parents shuffling off the mortal coil, it’s becoming a societal problem when the adult teenagers run smack into the wall and realize they can’t get away with having fun at other people’s expense any more.

  323. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    Must you respond to Jacob’s “boring” posts when you know the end result of such response?

  324. Kms2014 says:

    It was not in my circle, Alexis….but, am living in conservative south, so not many mothers here dream of their daughters to have married men affairs, especially for money. Would still argue that is not the norm here for mothers to encourage their daughters into being with married men…do many mothers want their daughter’s to marry a wealthy or educated man…yes, in certain social circles, yes. Are their mothers that encourage their daughters to become ‘sports groupies’, or something like that…yes. Still more the exception than the norm.

  325. Jacob says:

    SD’s are more likely the ones letting their capital work for them; SB’s are more likely the ones making money with their own labor and therefore time. While the SD’s time is likely worth much more than the SB’s, the SD is also likely to be less likely to be pressed for making money by using time: A person making $200k/yr is far more likely to be able to afford vacation time than a person making $20k/yr, despite 10x per hour wage.

    Not all, but often SB posts suffer from the following two potential defects:

    1. often being posted by SB’s or wannabe SB’s who are not finding SD or enough SD’s to fill her schedule / budgetary needs;

    2. attempt at fictional writing or selective story telling that are designed to enhance her own sense of self-worth and mislead both SD’s and other SB’s: making the former measure up to imaginary competition, and making the later lock themselves out of the market so the fictional writer / selective story teller can haev less competition.

  326. Alexis says:

    The so-called “pimping” of daughters is quite common in the US. Apparently, it’s more common than some people care to admit.

  327. Kms2014 says:

    I just visited Salem, Massucussets a few months ago, and your witch hunt scenario was very off. It is amusing, if anything, since it was a very young lady that started the witch rumours there 😉 Maybe, you should read more history and post less poo poo theories, hehe.

  328. Alexis says:

    “Alexis, actually, there are a couple nice, real and honest SBs on this blog, who helped me along with a few things before…their advice was very good and realistic.”

    I haven’t met too many nice, real, and honest SBs (particularly honest), so I’m sorry to have missed that.

  329. Kms2014 says:

    Alexis, that might be true but not the general rule and is more the exception(in US, anyways). Sure, many families want their daughter to ‘marry up’, but that is different. Unless, you are speaking of certain other countries, where, yes, pimping of your daughter to support the family is quite common. However, as far as RSD and his lady, am pretty sure they were both American and she was a college student, so not being pimped by her mother, as far as what was interpreted by me…but, who knows.

  330. Kms2014 says:

    Alexis, actually, there are a couple nice, real and honest SBs on this blog, who helped me along with a few things before…their advice was very good and realistic. They got tired of SBs not listening to their advice, though, or asking the same questions over and over, even when they had answered several times. So, doubt they help anymore because most girls do not listen, anyways. And, to be honest, think a real SB is more likely to post on blog, than a real SD(not referring to all but as a rule)as most of them would be more concerned with their career. If a SB is doing well for herself, and women do like to
    ‘share’, then I can believe that more. Also, what successful man wants to post novels or care what others think of him, on a blog. They are more concerned with making money…just my two cents.

  331. Alexis says:

    “What the hell kind of mother would encourage her daughter to take up with a married man?”

    A mother who needs money. Too often, I meet young ladies whose mothers view them as just yet another way to bring an income into the house.

    There are more than a few on this site whose mothers have put them ON here to do so.

  332. Jacob says:

    LOL. Whatever the daughter told the mother in that case, the mother had a copy of the key and therefore was presumably having frequent access to the place.

    “Witch hunt” was a regular occurrence in religious societies for thousands of years. The vehement reaction to “sour grapes” speaks volumes. LOL.

  333. Kms2014 says:

    I meant, men were accused as well. And please, no starting up the history of European witch hunts..no one wants boring history lessons today.

  334. Alexis says:

    “Basically, what I’m wondering is, Is there any EXP HONEST SB’s or even SD’s that would be willing to help me with my profile, pics, and furthermore help me out or ‘mentor’ me in DETAIL the right way’s and most effective ways to go about my entry into this world?”

    and you’re paying how much for this? hehe

    Any “honest” SB will screw you up with bad advice, and any HONEST SD/SM really doesn’t have time for something like this.

  335. Kms2014 says:

    Sour grapes? What the hell kind of mother would encourage her daughter to take up with a married man? I don’t know any mothers like that, unless her mother was a mistress herself, which is doubtful. I doubt this girl told her mother about, RSD…she would have probably been ashamed, or at least left out the part about him being married. They were both each other’s dirty little secret, most likely. Mothers want the best for their daughters and sons, unless they are horrible parents. Where do you get this stuff…oh wait, out of your poo hole, I forgot.

    Oh yes, as far as witch tests…in Salem, Massachusetts, anyways…it was the boredom of young girls who needed some ‘excitement’ and started accusing an older woman of being a witch, first, which started the whole thing. Then, there men accused as well. Some people need a lesson in law and history, it seems 😉

  336. Jacob says:

    @RSD

    Thank you for sharing the mini-sagas of your past SB’s. Do you think it might be possible that your “gem” SB was simply in dire need for funding when she walked through the rain storm and flooding keeping her appointment? Women are often willing to do anything and everything, literally coming through fire and high water; men are prone to read more into their actions. Men are the romantics, women are the realists, on the instinctive level. Men do have the help of logic to to restrain themselves from their own silliness.

    Alternatively, if she was really into you, the mother’s influence may well have been the cause of her distance after you let her move into your secret apartment. Younger women are very susceptible to influence from their friends and “advisers,” and she probably didn’t have a good circle of winners to begin with. Older women are especially good at sour grapes, translating their own jealousy about what they can not get into something not good for the others who can get it. It was quite possible that not only did the mother make her feel terrible about sleeping with you, but also talking her into testing you to see if you’d still sticker around and support her if she cut off sex, silly loaded questions like “but does he love you just for sex or really love you for you?”; they don’t seem to realize that men love women who love/respect us back and share with women who share their lives with us, not manipulative b*tches, so the destructive test itself is the problem. It’s like the ancient “witch test” that older matrons devised for getting rid of younger competition: throw the young women into the water, if she doesn’t drown, she is a witch; if she does drown, oh, well, mission accomplished.

    Which brings up an interesting point about the morality of destructive tests and human behavior. We have talked plenty about female self-destructive behavior in relationships. I propose, it is not unique to women, but to almost all people who are brought without proper boundary conditioning by their parents and surroundings. I have noticed that similar problems also exist for men in the sub-prime market (where yield is higher); the type of expected behavior after extending small favors to them is drastically different from what we’d expect among upper echelons of the society, where we have not experienced hunger and had boundaries set for us properly when we were young therefore we are used to behaving gentlemanly and expect the same for others; the most rewarding collaboration awaits those of us taking a longer term view, because we have been through numerous rounds of repeating games of prisoner’s dilemma with the same small group of participants. For those at the less fortunate end of the spectrum, longer term view perhaps is simply not an option. They play the classic one-off prisoner’s dilemma, where both parties have to settle for the sub-optimal solution. They are used to counter parties who did not have set boundaries, so ravenous dog-like behavior is expected from both.

    We set boundaries when dealing with children, so they don’t grow up to be losers; we set boundaries for our pet dogs, so they don’t endanger us or our children. Some people grew up without parents or other elders to set those boundaries for them. The typical pretty woman may well have those boundaries start leaking badly by the time of 12 then demolished completely by the time 15-16 simply because they are pretty and people spoil them, literally spoiling them!

    I don’t mind handing out ropes to people I don’t like, so they can hang themselves. However, for those I care about, I don’t feel comfortable with giving them extra lengths of rope or giving them shovels for them to dig a grave for themselves.

  337. Josh says:

    “Is there any EXP HONEST SB’s or even SD’s that would be willing to help me”

    What’s up with “HONEST” SBs? Don’t you think that there are many honest SBs here? 😉

    How about SDs, do you think that there are many honest SDs here?

  338. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “Princesses serve the vital function of illuminating the preciousness of others.”

    Phew, that’s just too easy to understand. Care to convolute a bit more?

  339. Ravin says:

    I’m new to both SA and the Sugar LifeStyle. I have read just about EVERY entry and reply on this blog as well as couple others. Basically, what I’m wondering is, Is there any EXP HONEST SB’s or even SD’s that would be willing to help me with my profile, pics, and furthermore help me out or ‘mentor’ me in DETAIL the right way’s and most effective ways to go about my entry into this world? Obviously, I know the basic dynamic’s of how this works, but a lot of those intricate details weren’t mentioned. Additionally, I realize that every SD/SM-SB arrangement is completely different. So perhaps private emails/messages would be more proper for this? Help, please :)

  340. Jaglet says:

    Where on earth do I find my profile #? I’ve looked everywhere and I can’t find any reference to it at all.

  341. flyR says:

    @jaglet “I can see where many of them have been active, but have not read the sent message, and some I can see where they did read but haven’t responded.”

    Check to see if those who have been online looked at your profile. If no then either they are not interested or there is something in your summary that stops them.

    If they read your profile but did not respond then more likely it is something in the profile. It might be your location, expectation, or something else in the profile.

    Do some test marketing , change some words.

    As a general rule I will reply to someone with an expectation on range above mine but not two. You might change to negotiable.

    Consider the market . One of my favorite profiles had something like …. I am very open minded and then a few sentences later don’t write if you are a stupid conservative

    Is the profile too blunt. Don’t sound like a hooker if you are not a hooker.

    Make the profile consistent. Understand that 95%+ of the men here expect intimacy in a sugar relationship.

    You can ask the moderator to share your email with one of the people here and then ask them for comments on your profile or you can put your profile number here and invite comments and brutal criticism from the mob.

  342. g says:

    “Give her a present and a generous allowance to SHUT HER THE FUCK UP”
    – Sounds like the worst advice I’ve ever heard.

    If you give them shitloads of money, they’ll continue to press you for more and try to exploit the situation.

    I’d tell them that things weren’t going well, I was struggling for money and as much as I’d love to, I can’t continue to maintain the lifestyle that they deserve…. Or I’d start being boring/unappealing so they’d get bored and leave me.

    Treating a chick to a great time and splashing cash isn’t the way to get rid of them.

  343. Jaglet says:

    Thank you thank you so much everyone! I appreciate all of the quick and detailed responses. Common sense pretty much already lead me to all of the provided answers, but I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t something I may have been overlooking. I definitely think my profile stands out about the “competition” and when I indicated that I sent out several “howdy”‘s I didn’t mean that was basically all I did. I’m good at communicating, “breaking the ice” and being sure to only attempt to connect with those whom I see a possibility in their profiles that there may be a connection (and focusing on that in my communication).

    @Kms2014 Fortunately I didn’t get bombarded with any of those fakes or scammers at all. I didn’t receive any messages period until I initiated contact myself, and as mentioned that went well for the first few days altho it didn’t lead to any mutual matches.

    Again I appreciate everyone’s help and I feel confident now that all is well and most likely the only reason I am not receiving any responses is due to all of the reasons each of you kind souls listed. I wish all of you a great night and a wonderful Friday!

  344. Kms2014 says:

    Oh yes, Alexis made a good point…think the non-paying members are that plain blueish colour, on new format and paying members are the orange colour premium…do they still have diamond members?..not sure about that.

  345. Alexis says:

    Hey Jaglet,
    I don’t know what type of area you live in (metro, burbs, rural), or I could probably respond better; however, I will suggest that you may have written more than a few who weren’t paying members. It’s hard to tell on this newer version of the site who are paying members and who are not. Usually, when messages go unread it’s because they just couldn’t read them (nonmembers).

    Another consideration would be that some SDs/SMs get a lot of mail and just haven’t gotten around to yours yet… if they even ever will since they just may not have interest upon viewing your profile first.

    I always view a profile before I decide whether or not to read a message. It saves me time. I can imagine that I’m likely not the only person who does this.

  346. Kms2014 says:

    Am tired…sorry for all the errors…hope you can decipher it somehow! Hehe

  347. Kms2014 says:

    Hi Jagket,

    Of course you can ask here, and this is the place to ask… (:

    Yes, as an SB, you are correct–you can send and receive an unlimited amount of messages, once your profile has been approved. Have you received any messages from SDs yet, that you did not send? Usually, when you first join, one gets a bombardment of the fake SD’s, mixed with a few real ones…then,mas time goes on, it just depends on the the person’s profile and location, as to how many
    messages they get.

    This site is different to most other sites, in that the men get many messages, so the fact they do not respond to you is probably because they are busy, if they are real SD, or they just get too many messages, so unless your profile caught their eye, then they will not respond because sometimes. Sure, it would be nice, I guess, if they said, ‘thanks, but no thanks’, but due to the demand of true SD’s and supply of so many SB’s, on this site, then it is pretty common for the man to just ignore the message, if if he does read it. Don’t take it personal, as you have to grow a thicker skin with this site, but it makes you stronger person, really, of you look at it in a positive way…also, did not mention this, but the men here can oftentimes get very generic messages, from the ladies, so try and make yours witty or catching his attention, and different than the rest (:

    Feel free to ask any questions here…

  348. flyR says:

    I’ll generally read the profile before opening the message. If the sender is 100 miles away or has other disqualifying characteristics I do not open the mail.

  349. flyR says:

    Re – messages and responses

    great question

    I get two types of messages – those that seem to be sent randomly from distant places and little compatibility . Most have very generic messages. Almost never reply .

    Other messages are from SB who meet criteria, have found something in my profile that resonates and have noted it in their reply.

    A simple Howdy does not demonstrate that you have read the profile . Understand that there are people here who are soliciting email addresses, engaged in desperate searches or clueless.

    If you don’t take the time to focus the communication and to demonstrate that there is a reason why there is compatibility the probability of a reply is very small.

  350. Jaglet says:

    Howdy everyone! I am fairly new here and I realize this may not exactly be the place to inquire, but I can’t find anywhere else to ask so I’m gonna intrude and see if any of you kind souls can straighten me out. I have a dilemma, I think, with the messaging system. It is my understanding for SB’s (me) with an approved photo and profile that the messaging system is unlimited and open for sending and receiving. I also reviewed what the messaging system availability is for SD’s of different membership types. When I first became a member a few weeks ago I sent a few messages and received very timely replies. I would say since about my second day here I haven’t received the first reply, and I find that kind of unusual. I generally don’t message anyone who doesn’t seem to present themselves in their profile with enough courtesy to respond and say “thanks, but no thanks”. Considering I have sent 32 messages to various individuals and received no replies at all is strange. I can see where many of them have been active, but have not read the sent message, and some I can see where they did read but haven’t responded. I in no way expect I am going to receive a reply from every one, or even half of them for that matter…but for it to be none at all since those first two days and considering the volume of “howdy”‘s I sent out I feel like something is wrong and that I should ask. I appreciate any advice anyone can offer, and in the future where I might should look for assistance if posting here isn’t appropriate.

  351. flyR says:

    @Elaine – The comments from real SB’s are valuable as guidance for other SB’s and also food for thought for SD’s.

    Hopefully the SB’s question about sexless sugar got her feedback that she was on the wrong site unless she wanted to be a professional rinser.

    I have no problem with a self proclaimed SB who has the honesty to say in her profile that there’s no sex involved.

  352. flyR says:

    Princesses serve the vital function of illuminating the preciousness of others.

  353. Josh says:

    The princess’ tag is “Cash Magnet.”

    Then she wonders why no quality SDs ever contact her. 😉

  354. Josh says:

    A day laborer’s daughter getting picked up as a prince’s princess is fine and dandy.

    However, “the princess that I am” has got to go. 😉

  355. RSD says:

    *take care of her

  356. RSD says:

    When I love a girl I just want to take her of her like my little princess.

    Sadly, instead of enjoying it, the princesses end up sabotage their own princesshood :/

  357. RSD says:

    I don’t know, not all princesses are bad. Just the ones who take an SD’s money and don’t put out.

  358. Josh says:

    Dear Mr. Brandon,

    Is it possible to ban the word “princess” in SA profile?

    I suggest that you establish the Princess Syndrome Foundation, and enact a mandatory $1/month donation from SDs to the Foundation’s funds. These funds should be used to treat the princess syndrome, specifically among the SBs and generally among women at large.

    You see, I have seen various princess themes in SB profiles but “My daddy said I was a princess!” was the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back. The daddies who are kings are more than welcome to continue to call their daughters. However, those day laborers who call their daughters princess are causing long-term emotional damage to those precious girls. The real princess would be exempt from the Foundation’s work, and could be recruited as the Foundation’s ambassadors to tell the fake princess to stop deluding themselves.

    A concerted medical effort is needed to treat the girls who are already affected by the princess syndrome, and more importantly the epidemic needs to be nipped at the bud by educating parents to refrain from calling their daughters princess.

    Yours Truly

    PS: Those SDs who may be concerned about the $1/month donation are hereby advised that the $12/year investment will provide you huge dividends in reducing the expected allowances from the rehabilitated princess.

  359. Josh says:

    Rhetorical question:

    If you choose to share your profile here, then does it make sense to create a fake profile with all the information posted exactly as your real profile and post that number here?

    Why do I ask?

    If you attracted people who you don’t want to see your profile, then you can just delete that profile and continue on with your real profile.

  360. Josh says:

    @Sweetpie kitty,

    “@ Josh
    I from South America but i grow up in Japan”

    If you are trying to engage in sugar life in English-speaking countries, you will have to improve your English. Otherwise, unfortunately it may be difficult to land high end SDs.

    If you are comfortable posting your SA profile blog SDs and SBs can advise you how to improve it.

    Best of success in the sugar world!

  361. Kms2014 says:

    That saggy balls comment seems to have struck a nerve….Yes, sassy is a nice way to describe what I am 😉 Have had adult sex a couple times, but haven’t gone over the age of 49 yet…I’ll let you know when I am decide to skip over a couple decades, and report on ball sack firmness…it will be at least another decade, though.

  362. gentle(man)soul says:

    @KMS

    LOL I like you K . You are sassy and It would be fun to show you what grownup sex is all about . Isn’t there a dance step called bark like a dog ? OOps ,that is walk the dog —or is that a yoyo move ? I forget .

    I am actually quite liberated . All of my ladies and multiple wives have lived work free with my pleasure and indulgence ,enjoying the good life until they figure out that I have very little in that firm scrotal sack .

  363. Kms2014 says:

    Time warp 😉

  364. Kms2014 says:

    You mistake my pleasure at teasing, John-like SDs as inflaming anger. It is too easy and fun to resist teasing you…perhaps, not all women over 30 lack a good sense of humour? Who knows 😉

    Your antiquated views are quite entertaining, though. It is like a time wrap erupted with phrases like, women’s place is in the kitchen and on my ball sack 😉

  365. Sweetpie kitty says:

    @ Josh
    I from South America but i grow up in Japan

  366. Kms2014 says:

    “Thank you K ! And with tight scrotal sac too boot ( : You are just too easy to inflame LOL It’s like lobbing cotton balls to Mickey Mantle. Seriously here’s how it works . Men fall for a woman they have been having good sex with . Women have to have to fall for a guy 1st to have good sex .”

    That is benefit of having exceptionally small balls…less sagging as you age 😉

  367. NC Gent says:

    I agree with you Happily Jaded — it should be as easy as — hey this isn’t working for me anymore – thanks for the great times and I wish you the best — but in reality, when I have ended sugar relationships, it has been just as ugly and dreadful as ending a non-sugar relationship, with one exception. People claim these relationships are NSA but they seldom are — most people get attached emotionally when they are having fun together and being intimate. NSA is largely a myth IMHO.

  368. HappilyJaded says:

    I thought that the SD/SB relationship was supose to be simple. Shouldn’t ending it be just as simple. All the extra stuff seems too much, I mean I do understand that sometimes you have to deal with some crazys and maybe these tip would help with them. But why would you even get into this type of realationship with someone you know you’ll have a hard time with down the line?

  369. Elaine says:

    Well, if you having something interesting to say, a long profile is ok.
    For me it works fine.

    As long as it stands out, it is fine, look at the profile Josh just published.

    When you use words like “Princess”, “me” and “I” all the time….
    You will NOT find any intelligent, class SD.
    Don’t use cliches, EVERYONE likes to have fun! instead try to answer Josh’ question: Why are you fun to be with!

    Try to place yourself in the shoes of an SD and immagine what you would like to read in your pot. SBs profile!

  370. gentle(man)soul says:

    @KMS

    “since you are such a sweet, caring and selfless old man 😉

    Thank you K ! And with tight scrotal sac too boot ( : You are just too easy to inflame LOL It’s like lobbing cotton balls to Mickey Mantle. Seriously here’s how it works . Men fall for a woman they have been having good sex with . Women have to have to fall for a guy 1st to have good sex .

    @Josh

    How was the sex after she had a change of heart ? Great !! It’s always good when I let the big dog eat . She just thought she wasn’t in the mood . More disordered female logic.

    Sweetpie kitty says:

    i want to know why lots Sugar Daddy in the site SA ask for the first meet for sex ??? is you say not sex they say i can’t meet with you… is you say yes they will meet with you …… WHY?

    Because we want sex ,not marriage or love

    they say first meet sex and say they can have free sex outside and dont need to pay , they say scort and prostitute ask for money for sex
    why too expenssive per meeting

    Whaaaat ?
    i need tips and help please

    Most guys seek an SB to have sex with. Many also want smart,interesting,funny ,etc ,but s-e-x is a sure thing .If you take care of a man’s sexual needs he will likely stay with you a long time . Most SBs seek some form of compensation .SDs should not expect a free ride . Do not fall for that unless you want a boyfriend .

  371. flyR says:

    Profiles

    We’re a visual society. Looooong profiles are seldom going to work unless you absolutely capture the reader.

    Before writing your profile read some magazines that feature a large number of very effective ads. I love the energy of so many of the tech ads – simple, fun, effective

    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication

    you + me = your wildest fantasy

  372. Josh says:

    When you read cliches in SB profiles…ad “on your dime” and see how it reads. 😉

    Cliche: I like to try new things

    Read: I like to try new things…on your dime

    Cliche: Love to travel
    Read: Love to travel…on your dime

  373. ss1959 says:

    In the category of crazy SB profiles:

    Tag line = “If you want me, buy me.”

    Occupation = “Professional princess”

    About Me = “I’m the best, and well aware of that. You need me.”

    What I’m looking for = “Show me what you’re worth and give me what I want.”

    Yeah, I don’t think so.

  374. Josh says:

    @Gay Bloggers,

    “There’s only one logical answer for Josh’s continuing PIW responses – he’s gay and gets a hardon every time I post.”

    What is your take on a man who calls a straight man gay — a dumb statement or a bigot statement?

  375. Josh says:

    Here is an interesting profile I just ran across:

    About Me

    The top 10 reasons I have been rated as amazing:

    10. I am a firm believer in the benefits of lingerie instead of “comfortable” underwear.

    9. I tend to not nag or complain because chances are I am oblivious to and really don’t care about the “small stuff”. Besides, complaining is hard work and chances are you won’t change so why waste my time and try your patience.

    8. You will be excited to take me out in public and your friends will probably be jealous, because yes I always should look put together or at least just rolled out of bed hot, which ironically takes more time than nonbedded hot.

    7. You will never have to compete with me…unless we go bowling and in which case, it’s on.

    6. You will be surprised when I kiss you unexpectedly, a little too passionately and more than likely in unexpected places, in front of unexpected people.

    5. You will never see me roll my eyes at you, because I respect you. If I didn’t I wouldn’t be wasting my time with you.

    4. You will see me smile and laugh far more often than I frown and definitely more often than I cry.

    3. You will find yourself thinking seriously about my observations on life and current events, random events and as always celebrity gossip, because I am well informed and intelligent.

    2. You will never hold my purse at the shoe store. You will never even be at a shoe store, unless you’ve determined my shoes are inappropriate and have decided to buy me new ones.

    1. You will never hear the most dreaded words ever, “I’m not in the mood”.

    Those are some of the top reasons I’ve been rated as amazing, I have references and am more than willing to present a portfolio. So go ahead send me a message, I don’t bite…unless you want me to.

    What I’m looking for

    The arrangement is open for negotiation depending on our individual wants and needs.

  376. Josh says:

    No problemo, Elaine. That saves me time as well. 😉

  377. Elaine says:

    Well let’s forget about it, I am back to the “AnswerQuestionsOnly” mode.

    Don’t want to waste mine and others’ time by argueing who is “wrong” or who is “right” here.

  378. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    Those are expressions of ground reality made in a matter-of-fact to harsh language.

    I tried to expand on it but the small screen is not helping.

    More later…

  379. Elaine says:

    @ Josh

    On FlyR who is “talking to little girls, who can’t think for themselves, and not grown-up women.”

    …And what exactly are these texts adressing women as?
    Just some random text found only in this blog topic.

    “I agree, Josh. Women can’t control their relationship-destroying behavior. I don’t blame them any more because they can’t help it. It’s like handing glass to a two year old–they will break it and are not to be blamed.”

    “They key to good SB behavior is for it to be easy to dump them and leave them penniless and screwed. That way they stay on their best behavior (though that behavior may not be all that good, it will still be their best).”

    “All women-savvy men know that women proactively sabotage their relationships/arrangements, and have their own systems to protect from it.”

    “SBs are like itinerant construction workers . They work when they need the money and take off to play when they are flush .”

  380. Josh says:

    I don’t know what you are asking me to agree to disagree on? :(

  381. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    You know now why I consider flyR’s posts as dumb and dumber. 😉

    He tries to post fancy stuff but when you carefully read his posts, they are mysogenistic, racist and anti-gay.

    Most of his writings addressing women are as if he is talking to little girls, who can’t think for themselves, and not grown-up women. :(

    I have identified such characteristics of his posts in the past but now I just call them dumb and dumber. That makes it easy for me to do so.

  382. Jorgen says:

    There are serial sugar babies & serial sugar daddies. There is no need to do anything other than stop texting if you need to end, both will move on and we all know it. Thats the reality up here, like it or leave it. I’m a serial sugar-daddy – because I’m not just going to hold one person up, equilibrium is off if one does that. Sorry, I just put higher value on money than the character of people up here – both men and women.

  383. flyR says:

    @Elaine “But I really don’t understand your negative attitude to certain people who are saying reasonable things. Like Flyr for example.”

    Elaine, it took me some months to understand the issue and I hesitated to post but da keyboard made me do it.

    There’s only one logical answer for Josh’s continuing PIW responses – he’s gay and gets a hardon every time I post. Sorry Josh but my love is exclusively devoted to women. I know you are repulsed at the thought of what’s “down there” as you say and when you do stray over to the fair sex it is in a fully protected , isolated mode for their two hours in the hotel room. For me that hookers not sugar. Yes I know there’s no great dividing line only shades of pink. But as the great Supreme Court judge noted ” I can not define porn but I know it when I see it.”

    Sorry Josh but I think women are the most wonderful creatures put on the earth. Some are like a priceless Ferrari Testa Rosa that will empty your wallet and then break your heart. Others like Mercedes and never let you down.

    If you always look at the stars you’ll occasionally step in some dog droppings but if you always keep your eyes on the gutter you’ll never know the stars exist.

  384. Elaine says:

    @Josh

    You know I like you, even though you have some really weird ideas about women in general.
    But I really don’t understand your negative attitude to certain people who are saying reasonable things. Like Flyr for example.

    @Alexis

    “Also, SDs (and again SMs) are those who SBs really should want to read as they are the ones who you’re marketing to. Learning their likes, dislikes, and reasons for coming here would be key to being successful on a site like this.”

    Couldn’t agree more, only that info from most SDs here on blog is quite single minded, and thus only suitable for the type of SBs they are after.
    BTW, the exact kind of SB they always complain about here ….

    Ehm…did I already mention “self fullfilling pr……..s”?
    …Yeahhhhh, I did!

    So, back into my “OnlyAnsweringOnQuestions mode” now!

  385. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    “Like Flyr (one of the reasonable SDs here) said”

    Elaine, Elaine, Elaine. I consider you one of the most intelligent female bloggers here. It’s unfortunate that a lady of your intelligence finds flyR as a “reasonable SDs”.

    Do men have to talk dumb shit to be considered “reasonable” even by intelligent women? Then what to make of the rest of the womenfolk? :(

  386. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    A detailed response to your post will require a larger screen to type. 😉

    However, please allow me to be the first in your life to tell you that, based on women’s handling of relationships, the “wisdom” you quoted about queen, king, maid, etc., is idiotic.

    It is sad that this and other silly pieces of “wisdom” are drilled into women’s head to their own detriment.

    Listen to when “sage” Robin Thicke says, “this man is not your maker.”

    Liberate yourselves from what a male idiot says, does not say, does or does not do. You will be a happier human being of the female kind.

  387. Alexis says:

    Personally, I like the blog the way it is now. SDs (and SMs) are the paying members of the site and should be treated with respect.

    Also, SDs (and again SMs) are those who SBs really should want to read as they are the ones who you’re marketing to. Learning their likes, dislikes, and reasons for coming here would be key to being successful on a site like this.

  388. Alexis says:

    “But the blog police keeps very silent as, apparently very young (“> 25 is old!”),very experienced and successful, extremely beautiful and bisexual SBs, looking for 40+ virgin SDs, calling $ 4,000 income per month peanuts (Miss World turned brain surgeon?) share their wisdom.”

    Gracious, this is getting like “Telephone” lol.

    I never, never said $4K was peanuts.

    *sighs*

  389. GenuineSD says:

    @Kms2014
    Thank you. An epic soap opera and Phd in all things not to do in sugar…
    but a great time for a while… the ending was just…..gruesome.

    Ending ? Well, assuming I’m doing the ending and the relationship has lasted a while, a gentle ending is the way to go. I’m keenly aware that the allowance is usually more than play money, so a severance is usually a kind way to help someone you’ve shared much good times with… on one occasion and advance notice was the better way to go…

  390. Kms2014 says:

    Hey Genuine SD (: Am sorry about your arrangement….but am glad to see you back on blog (:

  391. GenuineSD says:

    Greetings all!
    Nice to see a couple of familiar names. Well, for those that remember the request for advice a month or two ago, you all were right…
    I’m back in search of the perfect arrangement once more… Thanks again for the help and support…

  392. Josh says:

    @Sweetpie kitty

    Where are you from?

  393. Elaine says:

    @ KMS “Why don’t women ever post here much anymore ):”

    Because it makes little sense to go against the general SD opinions here.
    Most only talk about their repeating self fullfilling prophecies, without much self reflection.

    (“Treath your woman as a queen, and you will be the king. Treat her like a maid, and you will be the maid’s man”)

    I’ve often tried to go against it,but could spend my time better.
    I”ll stand by my good intention to only post if advice or assistance is requested, and that’ll be it.

    Those SBs who speak honestly about their sugar experiences are called “fantasy writers”.
    (But the blog police keeps very silent as, apparently very young (“> 25 is old!”),
    very experienced and successful, extremely beautiful and bisexual SBs, looking for 40+ virgin SDs, calling $ 4,000 income per month peanuts (Miss World turned brain surgeon?) share their wisdom.)

    So what is the use?

    Like Flyr (one of the reasonable SDs here) said:
    “For the same reason you don’t go to an Oakland Raiders game wearing a San Francisco jersey – too many hoodlums”

  394. SuzieQ says:

    So it is Over…. A tex would be fine or a e-mail.
    As we say in Philly ***Keep It Moving***

  395. Sweetpie kitty says:

    i want to know why lots Sugar Daddy in the site SA ask for the first meet for sex ??? is you say not sex they say i can’t meet with you… is you say yes they will meet with you …… WHY?
    they say first meet sex and say they can have free sex outside and dont need to pay , they say scort and prostitute ask for money for sex
    why too expenssive per meeting
    i need tips and help please

  396. flyR says:

    @KMS “Why don’t women ever post here much anymore ):”

    For the same reason you don’t go to an Oakland Raiders game wearing a San Francisco jersey – too many hoodlums

  397. sobeceo says:

    Why is this based as “Take HER somewhere… HER this that” lol. I guess, Sugardaddies are the only ones to break off an arrangement.

  398. flyR says:

    The alternative goodbye requires a friend, preferably with an Irish/ Bostonian accent

    Hello, is this Mz Twinkle Toes ?

    yes, who’s this ?

    Charles Bitter, I’m from the IRS and we are looking into a number of cash transactions, checks and suspicious business entertainment expenditures of Josh Inc. If you know anything about this we would like to have you come to our offices for a little chat. Do we have the right Mz Twinkle Toes?

    In all seriousness, it’s not a sign of weakness to be honest with people, especially when it is non destructive. Most guys have heard the three most feared words in a woman’s vocabulary – I’ve been thinking . ………. It’s ok to simply say to a sugar partner you’re great, but this is not working.

  399. This is yet again another unrealistic approach to ending a sb/sd relationship. Simply text and/or call to say you want to end the arrangement. If the SD is generous he’ll wire her an allowance for the unexpected ending of arrangement. This whole buying flowers and having dinner…common cut the bullshit, no one has time for that.

  400. Josh says:

    Cause and effect sweetheart…cause and effect…

    This is why I talk about proactive sabotage of relationships by women.

    Unless a man grasps this concept and anchors it in his thought process, women will continue to have a field day with cause and effect. Your post is no exception. 😉

  401. Josh says:

    “some men” do all kinds of things in your posts. 😉

  402. Kms2014 says:

    Some men treat their wives like maids…and the men that want young ass? They just want variety and wife can be perfect, but they have just grown tired of having sex with her. Look at that gtt guy. It can have nothing to do with the woman. Certain men just want young poonanny, or validation, or many many women…philanderers abound. That is nothing new. Then, there are others that do not have the supportive wife at home and want another woman to spite her, or have a companion that really listens to him and understands. It is never so black and white. I think there are a lot of men who want a woman they can talk to that isn’t their wife, because she will not judge him and he can be more candid about what he wants to say, or if he has fantasies that his wife will not do…all kinds of scenarios there.

  403. Josh says:

    “Xoxo should be run off the blog and banned from the site as well.”

    @Kirsten, what is your take on this?

  404. Josh says:

    @Kms2014,

    All that does not make sense. When a man marries a woman he is NOT treating her like a maid but gets the same treatment of “I am not in the mood” after a while.

    THAT’S why most of the married men are here looking for young ass to “have it their way.”

    Again, the cause and effect is totally an alien concept for women. What can I say? 😉

  405. Josh says:

    @Kms2014,

    All that does not make sense. When a man marries a woman he is treating her like a maid but gets the same treatment. THAT’S why most of the married men are here looking for young ass.

    Again, the cause and effect is totally an alien concept for women. What can I say? 😉

  406. Kms2014 says:

    I mean, don’t complain if your SB poofs on you, or doesn’t want to be with you anymore, if you are just treating her like the hired help.

  407. Kms2014 says:

    He is right, though, Joshua….wasn’t it Elaine that said, treat your mistress like your maid and you will be treated like an employer, and have a maid…if you treat her like…oh, I forgot. Maybe, she will correct it tomorrow. Can’t remember again, but good saying (: anyway, the gist is don’t complain if you treat your SB like she is not special to you and just hired poonanny.

  408. Josh says:

    flyR never disappoints… 😉

    Gives a business example to his imaginary SB but then goes, “if you treat it like just a business transaction then don’t expect more than a business transaction.”

  409. flyR says:

    “”3)do not ever let them have an excuse not to take care of you by paying them in spite of poor service . Sugaring is not to be confused with marriage . “Take care of” means different things to different people””

    I’ve been blessed with some great SB’s and a few losers. With the good ones there’s been a relationship that was kept level because both parties recognized the value.

    It there was even a cancellation or rescheduling it was acknowledged that it was an imposition and something special always followed. Probably not for the married SD’s but I have really appreciated an SB who went out of her way to find a couple of perfect shirts for me – just the right size and color and very high quality.

    On the occasion that MZ flake announced over drinks that she was not really in the mood and would like to go home early I asked her what she would do if her maid decided she was too partied out to clean but asked for the check because she wanted to go to vegas for the weekend. The principle’s the same.

    I think it works both ways – if you treat it like just a business transaction then don’t expect more than a business transaction.

  410. Josh says:

    I agree with Kms2014.

    I write a lot of women-related BS. However, I try not to insult SBs personally unless they start it first. If any SB believes that I insulted her without provocation then I apologize. 😉

  411. Josh says:

    @RSD

    If hotel does not work for you, it does not work you. 😉

    For me,

    1. I don’t care if anyone sees.
    2. I use alias with SBs and real id with hotel.
    2. I specifically tell the hotel staff NOT to talk to me when checking me in. That eliminates the possibility that they will use my name in their conversation 10,000 times, as was taught in the guess services training.
    3. I don’t check in together with the SB. This eliminates the possibility that they want to enter her information in their system along with mine. I don’t know who these women are. I don’t want their biographical data to be entered next to mine ever.
    4. I check in as single guest.
    5. I request king size bed, which I prefer.
    6. I then give the room number to the SB.
    7. Only one SB used to ask me to pick her up from her house. The rest used their own cars to restaurants and then followed me to hotel.
    8. Also, only one SB ever invited me to her house. One of the reasons was that she was the only SB who was not living with housemates. So I used to meet her at her house.

  412. Kms2014 says:

    Why don’t women ever post here much anymore ): You boys should behave for a bit at least, so new SBs are not scared to be insulted and will post.

  413. Kms2014 says:

    “3)do not ever let them have an excuse not to take care of you by paying them in spite of poor service . Sugaring is not to be confused with marriage . “Take care of” means different things to different people . My dear SB last year was “not in the mood “for love making . I saw her once/week and expected to enjoy our usual romance .I was sorely disappointed and horny since I was monogamous with her at that time . I explained that I was not in the mood for allowance either ,even though I drove 2 hours to see her . Her mood changed .”

    Can’t imagine why you ever had an SB ‘poofing’, canceling dates and disappearing on you problem, since you are such a sweet, caring and selfless old man 😉 would tease you more, but you are not worthy of my material.

  414. RSD says:

    @Josh, I tried a hotel for a short while. The problem was the increased chance of getting caught. I have about 90-120 min for sugar meets, so I stay close to home, and hotels close to home are asking for people to see me entering or leaving. Also, I found hotel reception desk people staring too much at me and SBs–mostly young men envious that I was going up with some hot girl who was out of their league. My third concern was that out of town visitors who come to visit me or people I work with may run into me at these hotels. So after about six weeks of trying a hotel, I rented another apartment.

  415. Josh says:

    I response to my question as to what makes her a fun companion (outside bed) she responded that she likes to try different kama sutra positions. Really!!! Is she trying to divert the conversation to kama sutra positions now? 😉

    I sent her back to the drawing board to come up with a different “non-sexual” fun characteristic/skill that she possesses.

  416. Josh says:

    gentle(man)soul says:

    “My dear SB last year was “not in the mood “for love making”

    What was she in the mood for during the allotted time then?

    “Her mood changed”

    Did she perform as she usually did, or was there any difference?

  417. RSD says:

    I agree, Josh. Women can’t control their relationship-destroying behavior. I don’t blame them any more because they can’t help it. It’s like handing glass to a two year old–they will break it and are not to be blamed.

  418. Josh says:

    “life with a woman is impossible.”

    And that’s with the fact that (exception duly noted) men are pretty low maintenance creatures for the most part. :(

    And believe it or not, I really don’t blame women for what they do either. (Exceptions duly noted) individual woman doesn’t really have much control over her actions.

    If I don’t blame an individual woman for her follies, who is the culprit?

    …to be continued. :)

  419. RSD says:

    gentle(man)soul, I always saw your approach as a bit harsh, but in all honesty, I have implemented a bit of your approach

  420. Josh says:

    If you want NSA, have a good hotel strategy.

    I use Hotwire. I don’t book the room until it’s confimed that she’s either nearby or is already sitting across the table in a restaurant. This way I ensure that the hotel money is not wasted.

  421. RSD says:

    @Josh, “That’s kinda what I had guessed”

    Yes, because women are so predictable. In all honesty, what is perhaps sad is that I let SB move into my apartment knowing that she would ruin everything. Basically, I handed her the ultimate shovel, as the normal being nice and reliable and giving a monthly allowance weren’t enough for her to screw things up. She thought–and even made me wonder–that there could be happily-ever-after together, so I handed her the keys and let her make things work (in which case I’d leave and be with her) or ruin everything. So she grabbed the shovel and started digging.

    Reality is that I still think of her very dearly. I am very bitter that she abused me for a year and four months, but she was amazing for two years, and I still give her credit for that. Plus, she does genuinely love and adore and admire me and truly thinks I’m the best guy on earth. I am definitely not, but the genuineness of her feelings deserves credit. So we still text every day and talk a couple of times a week or more. She thinks that we can still work out things and be together happily ever after. I care about her dearly and would take a bullet for her anytime, but see her as living proof that life with a woman is impossible.

  422. gentle(man)soul says:

    SB economics: (ladies ,these ideas might be shocking )
    1)only provide “fun” money for them to spoil themselves. Do not become a significant part of their support

    2)Pay by the visit -you eliminate the pain RSD went through-prepaying and being stuck

    3)do not ever let them have an excuse not to take care of you by paying them in spite of poor service . Sugaring is not to be confused with marriage . “Take care of” means different things to different people . My dear SB last year was “not in the mood “for love making . I saw her once/week and expected to enjoy our usual romance .I was sorely disappointed and horny since I was monogamous with her at that time . I explained that I was not in the mood for allowance either ,even though I drove 2 hours to see her . Her mood changed .

    4) never forget that this is a business arrangement and both sides must produce as agreed .

  423. Josh says:

    It was the dumbest mistake of my whole life letting her move in. It was a license for her to abuse and torture me. Even a gem can be ruined by a simple act of kindness.”

    Alas, millions of men will make the same mistake in September 2014 all around the world. :(

  424. Josh says:

    “woman’s intuition about relationships”

    There’s no such thing. If there is, then it’s pretty much fucked up to be worth anything. 😉

  425. Josh says:

    In my twenties, I moved into my girlfriend’s apt. It was easy for me to move out. I would NEVER give key of any residence to any woman. As I said ealier, I would never let them come close to any of the properties I own. If I am renting a place they are more than welcome to visit, at most overnight and leave in the morning.

    That said, I love hotels to meet SBs.

  426. RSD says:

    @Josh, “Unless a womean is professionally trained and certified in relationship counseling, and has demonstrabl track record, listening to relationship help from women is basically waste of time, money and effort.”

    It is amazing how people keep talking about a woman’s intuition about relationships, but they are completely clueless. A lot of people I know know about my sugar life; the women have an amazing incapacity to comprehend anything about my behavior or that of the SBs’.

  427. Josh says:

    @RSD

    That’s kinda what I had guessed. 😉

  428. RSD says:

    So basic advice from experience:
    -do not sign leases for SBs
    -do not give SBs key to your properties
    -do not let SBs move into your properties

    They key to good SB behavior is for it to be easy to dump them and leave them penniless and screwed. That way they stay on their best behavior (though that behavior may not be all that good, it will still be their best).

  429. RSD says:

    I had three SBs who had the key to my apartment, but in those cases I wasn’t seeing anyone else. I pretty much cornered them and took my keys back without giving them much choice.

    The first SB who had a key (blog SB) lasted six weeks and I broke up with her after she became exceedingly clingy and wanted to leave her hubby and move into my apt. I took her to lunch, broke up with her, and took my key back.

    The second SB, I was with her for seven months, I rented her her own place across town, and she met at my apt (so I technically had two apartments in my name at the time). When I broke up, I dropped by her place (with much trepidation) late at night and got my key back. I didn’t really trust her to have my key once I broke up with her over texts. She stayed at her place another month and then moved out and I broke the lease on the apartment she was occupying (costs 4 months’ rent to break a lease).

    The third SB (the “gem” SB who walked through flooded streets to see me) had her own place for the first two years, during which time she met me at my apartment. Then she moved into my apartment and it was a complete disaster. Somehow she ended up with one key and her mom with the other and me with no key. She felt secure and sex went out the window. After a few months of putting up with it, I pretty much broke up with her while she continued to occupy the apartment for another year till school ended, at my expense of course. I saw her on and off through that year and had a couple of other crummy sugar affairs. I made it clear that I was not renewing the lease on that apartment even if she stayed in town after school, and she left the state for residency after she graduated med school. It was the dumbest mistake of my whole life letting her move in. It was a license for her to abuse and torture me. Even a gem can be ruined by a simple act of kindness.

    After she left, she took all my furniture and everything else (with my half-hearted consent), and I got rid of the apartment. I then rented a newer, more expensive place and got it furnished. Will see how that goes, but I doubt I will give away keys easily. And the building is not easy to get into. I prefer one exclusive SB to juggling several, so getting caught by an SB is not typically my biggest worry.

  430. Josh says:

    The above question was for RSD.

  431. Josh says:

    Agreed with gentle. Personally, I would never take an SB close to my properties let alone giving them a key.

    I don’t know if you allowed them to live in, but I am curious if any of your SBs gave you any grief moving out and/or giving the key back?

  432. gentle(man)soul says:

    My private apartment was in a locked building and the car park was underground in a guarded lot. It was very difficult for anyone to see if I was home or to drop by . I felt totally secure with multiple babies coming in and out. The hot tub was a little in the public view but behind a locked gate. I entertained ladies after dark anyway . There is no better way to break the ice with a new baby like taking a glass of wine to the Tub in a bathrobe,jump in naked ,and snuggle while things heat up

    After a breakup it was easy to make myself unavailable and difficult to get to . Never gave anyone a key -Yikes ! Besides ,they would need a key to the building and the apartment .

  433. RSD says:

    I prefer break ups over text. But sometimes SBs have had a key to my apartment so I had to meet them to get my key back.

  434. Bella says:

    I feel the same as the rest of u. Don’t take me anywhere tell me through text or email!

  435. RSD says:

    @lawyer Paying specifically for sex may be prostitution according to the law, but paying someone to spend time with me privately with no explicit mention of sex, regardless of whether it occurs or not between two consenting adults, is not prostitution.

  436. gentle(man)soul says:

    @ Fat B

    I know there are no “real” SD’s on the blog but I am curious to know how many of you would be willing to pay Xoxo $5K for a date? How many would consider paying $20K for two dates?

    Um ,that would be a no. And I am a “real SD Fatty ) ; sniff .

    @XXX

    She has a good point about super loaded guys . Some might make multiple millions/yr and to them $5K is an ego trip to impress a girl .

    I prefer to impress my ladies with my non- saggy or wrinkly ball sack and virtuoso performance in the sack . Money is great but someone has to take care of the ladies’ needs

  437. Alexis says:

    “Alexis, you are right, I apologise.”

    Thank you very much. It’s all good.

    “I am very curious of your virgin SD seeking, though. It does interest me a bit…have you been able to find any?”

    Yes, when I first got here there was a guy but as I’ve said on the blog before, I let him go since I was not what would have been best for him, nor he for me as he was also looking for something more emotionally-bonding.

    “Are you looking to take their virginity, or just be around their innocence? Can you give the details?”

    Around their innocence? lol No, it was more about sexual compatibility.

    Again, being a virgin was not required, only ideal. It’s just as short stature was not required, but preferred.

  438. Josh says:

    “take their virginity” sounds straightforward but “just be around their innocence” sounds kinda complicated.

  439. Kms2014 says:

    No no…a sugar daddy 40 year old virgin, like Alexis wants. Not a female virgin 😉

  440. Jacob says:

    I’d run in the opposite direction as quickly as I can, and it’s not because she is a virgin. LOL.

  441. Josh says:

    Rhetorical question:

    If you happen upon a 40 year-old virgin, would you look to take their virginity, or just be around their innocence?

  442. Kms2014 says:

    Alexis, you are right, I apologise. I am very curious of your virgin SD seeking, though. It does interest me a bit…have you been able to find any? Are you looking to take their virginity, or just be around their innocence? Can you give the details?

  443. Alexis says:

    “You sound like what feminism “should” be. That’s to help raise the condition of women by enabling them to take care of themselves and not let anyone (men or women) take advantage of them.”

    Thank you Josh, since that’s quite important to me. It’s how I was raised.

    “This isn’t just a blog for SDs or men pretending to be SBs seeking 40 year old sugar daddy virgins(haha)…”

    Nor is it a blog where SBs need to attack the femininity of other SBs simply because they don’t subscribe to the same viewpoints.

  444. Kms2014 says:

    Wait, FB…don’t men with foot fetishes need lovin, too? 😉 If she sent a pic of her feet and that made him ‘happy’, then she did do something to earn her money, yes?

    I dated a guy with a foot fetish once….he was really cute younger Kazakh guy. I will not go into the details, unless anyone wants to know! but it isn’t as weird as some think. He just hated women who wore sandals and didn’t have their toenails painted, or nasty looking feet. He thought I had cute feet and toes….He didn’t obsess about them, but enjoyed looking at them.

    Xoxo, if she has nice feet, might have made that man’s day 😉 did she say she asked him for money before meeting? I missed that part…thought she said he offered?

  445. FatB'StardSA says:

    Escorts, Prostitutes, and Johns, and scam artists are not allowed to use the site. The policy is clear:

    “Report anyone who asks for money upfront and before meeting in person.”

    This includes SB’s such as Xoxo who advocate asking for money in order to send pictures of their feet in addition to taking money from someone they have not met. Xoxo should be run off the blog and banned from the site as well. The SB’s who are looking to provide such “services” have plenty of opportunities to work as cam girls and don’t need to pollute SA with their presence.

  446. Kms2014 says:

    I don’t know how old or what this girl looks like, but think a lot does have to do with luck, or who you come into contact with. Just like in regular life. When I first joined a couple years ago, had some similar things happen with money being sent before meeting, and am not a rinser….It does happen. And for someone so wealthy, would think $4,000-5,000 would just be a piss in the bucket for them 😉 hehe

    Also, the original question was do platonic relationships, on SA, exist?…much like does Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. Have had a platonic arrangement or two…they were very short, though, but they exist. There are circumstances where it could work, long term, but would be hard for me to wait that long, if I was attracted to him, sexually. If girls are just looking for the companionship type arrangements, then their best bet is to look for older gentlemen or men who are married, but not really looking to consummate their cheating, sexually. Although, not sure how long that can last either. Some men on SA just want to be a mentor or know that they are helping a young lady start her career or get through college–with no sex involved. Much likened to him donating to a charity, but more personal and with conversations going on between the two. These are probably rare, yes, and takes luck and a man not seeking the escort type, I would imagine as well. Am sure they pick educated women with aspirations and goals they want to see through, most times. It is similar to a man or woman signing up to be a mentor or big brother or sister. Do they want to have sex with theses young people–hopefully not! But, they do want to see them succeed in life and help them along with their goals. SA can be more than just money for sex, if you are selective, have more to offer, and are patient(that is that you also possess the fundamentals to be noticed on site, to begin with, but that is obvious).

    Xoxo experiences and tone of her posts sounded pretty sincere to me…she did not do it in an over the top, or bragging way. The women that are just seeking to use men for money with no sex involved because they are leading them on or rinsing them…well, am very against these women and they are not SBs or mistresses…they are something else.

  447. Josh says:

    @Jacob and @Kms2014

    Take it easy OK?

  448. Jacob says:

    “So why harass an SB for just telling her experience?”

    Not harassing at all, but merely pointing out her selective telling of the story pretending what’s extremely unusual to be the norm, and essentially attempting to gas-light inexperienced SD’s. The specific SB’s join date is hidden, so it’s safe to assume that she has been around for quite some time, say a couple years or more. In that time span, the grand total of “freebie” amounted to $4-5k, and mostly due to one irrational SD who is likely mentally ill sending her $4k without meeting her. Now, if that’s the sort of return ($4-5k in a couple years, and largely thanks to one freak incident) that new SB’s should aspire to, I’d recommend the new SB to quit the site and find a normal job instead would pay more for her time and effort. Of course, for the specific SB, that $4-5k is not her entire return. Her normal experience is having arrangements that are intimate and rewarding for both partners.

    Gas-lighting both new SD’s and new SB’s doesn’t help the sugar bowl environment.

  449. Josh says:

    @Jacob

    “For men making less than median income, having a LTR is probably the least expensive way of obtaining sex. He would have very little on the hook for child support or alimony. It is actually the rational _women_ who would avoid LTR with such a man.”

    Your use of data is interesting to say the least.

    Men having NO income are currently fed through women, who have state as their SDs.

    If men stopped having LTR with women the economic price would end up being the same, nullify the currently effective laws, and the emotional price would be manageable.

    Women may then vote the current laws down because the current laws may be detrimental to them as they would be bankrolling their projects during and post relationship.

    Other crazy women-serving laws maybe enacted. Who knows.

  450. Jacob says:

    @Josh

    We were not talking about the odds of someone locking down a billionaire after the having already met a billionaire, but the odds of anyone in the world being able to lock down a billionaire.

    If you want to talk about the odds of anyone in the world being able to join my program specifically, yes that odds would be 6-12 out of billions. However, there are probably millions of men capable of offering what I’m offering. Just checked, there are 3.44 million High Networth Individuals in the US. Yes, that is 1% of the population, a tiny percentage. However, a billionaire is less than 1% of the 1% (there are only 1500 in the whole world). There are 2-3 orders of magnitude between the two, just like the difference between a random average guy vs. a High Networth Individual willing to run a program like mine (say 1 in 10 HNWI).

  451. Kms2014 says:

    If a man offers money before meeting, and the woman is interested in the man, then what woman would not take that? A woman who is not on a sugar dating site, most likely, but if she is on SA or an SB/mistress, then yes, she probably would take it. This is not christianhookup.com, or something….Just like a man would take up the offer of sex before even meeting, most likely. And can attest that some men do send money(quite a bit sometimes, too)or offer money before meeting, and like RSD said, it is likened to throwing a quarter to a needy person, if they are wealthy. Four thousand might be preposterous to one Sd, while not a big deal to send for another. It does not make them insane…. If they want to send that much to an SB, then is their business. And, have had platonic arrangements myself. Every sugar reality is different, so why harass an SB for just telling her experience? This blog space is very unfriendly to SBs now, and do not think the rinsers were the only ones chased away but good quality SBs who can/could help guide the new girls, too, if they need advice. Plus, there were some funny SBs with good humour, too. This isn’t just a blog for SDs or men pretending to be SBs seeking 40 year old sugar daddy virgins(haha), yet pick on women if they seek platonic relationships and tell them they should have sex right away with no condom.

    This ‘us against them’ mentality on blog does get old. Congrats on chasing many women and other bloggers(real SDs) away. Of course, certain women do not care about that and ignore or challenge such men themselves, since it can be amusing, but does get old 😉

    XOXO, please do not leave as we need more SB input on blog these days (: If women start posting more, then the background negativity will not be heard as much.

  452. Josh says:

    @Jacob

    “@Josh
    I’m not planning meeting 7 billion people. More likely meeting just a few hundred (and potentially getting intimate with only a small fraction of them) over the next couple decades, so it’s more like 6-12 out of a few hundred.”

    Your use of the concept of “odds” is odd and flawed. 😉

    The 1500 billionaires you cited don’t choose their mistresses by going through all the human pooulation either.

    They have their filters and you have yours. And based on your writings the comparable “odds” are lower in your case. Kapisce? :)

  453. Jacob says:

    For men making less than median income, having a LTR is probably the least expensive way of obtaining sex. He would have very little on the hook for child support or alimony. It is actually the rational _women_ who would avoid LTR with such a man.

    For men making 2x median income or higher, the rationale for LTR with women in romantic context is dwindles and is gradually overtaken by risks under the current family laws. However, LTR in terms mother, daughter, ex-spouse and co-parenting partner may still be okay.

    Once 10x median income/asset is passed, pro-actively choosing co-parenting LTR may actually make sense as it is quite affordable, and it serves as an effective antidote to being suckered into marriage. Men have emotional and biological needs; being rich and vulnerable is a terrible place to be under current family laws and having to face the myriads of wannabe rinsers out there.

  454. Josh says:

    @FatB’StardSA

    “@Blog SD’s

    I know there are no “real” SD’s on the blog but I am curious to know how many of you would be willing to pay Xoxo $5K for a date? How many would consider paying $20K for two dates?”

    This non-real SD would not do any such thing unless I am several orders of magnitude richer.

    Currently, I am getting what a man needs and wants at a much lower price point so why should I spend more?

    That said, men are not always rational when it comes to women. If they were, they would deal with women much differently than they do today, starting from foregoing most kinds of long-term relationship with them. 😉

  455. Jacob says:

    “I have dated men who have a listed net worth of 50-100 million+, income over 1 million.”

    If someone with a net worth of 50-100mil is only making a little over 1mil/yr, he is incompetent. 1-2% yield is way too low for someone at this level.

    I remember Josh having some choice words for the follies on WYP. LOL. Offering something for nothing immediately brings out the worst in a woman; you run an extremely high risk of becoming her mark even if she had no previous intention of rinsing you. $100-200 may not mean much for you, but for the girl it may well be her entire day’s worth or more in the labor market.

    @Josh
    I’m not planning meeting 7 billion people. More likely meeting just a few hundred (and potentially getting intimate with only a small fraction of them) over the next couple decades, so it’s more like 6-12 out of a few hundred.

  456. Josh says:

    @Xoxo

    Your post now looks like what was commonplace to read before the blog space was neutralized from SB-controlled to what it is now. 😉

    “(Josh, you are not included in my writings..)”

    Dang…now I am in trouble. LOL!

  457. Josh says:

    @Alexis

    You sound like what feminism “should” be. That’s to help raise the condition of women by enabling them to take care of themselves and not let anyone (men or women) take advantage of them.

  458. Alexis says:

    Well not much one can really say to someone who has made the passive-aggressive move of starting a bunch of crap in a post and then claiming that it will be her last post on the forum lol.

    C’est la vie, I hope it’s a true move. What an awful attitude.

    I still stay firm on my stance that it is an awful thing to take advantage of someone just because you can.

  459. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Lula

    SA policy:

    “Report anyone who asks for money upfront and before meeting in person.”

    It is there for a reason. If that is misogynistic then so be it.

    @Blog SD’s

    I know there are no “real” SD’s on the blog but I am curious to know how many of you would be willing to pay Xoxo $5K for a date? How many would consider paying $20K for two dates?

  460. Alexis says:

    “If a guy does not even know how you look like then it’s a different thing. And as you noted, he may have some issues.”

    It’s not really a different thing. He would have still been the same man he was. He could have had my pic and then likely offered me more. The issue wasn’t me. It was him.

    “But good looking women–heck good looking men–get things in this looks-based society that not so good looking people don’t.”

    I’ve tried to never take advantage of that because I was taught to earn what you get in life. Trying this SB stuff out was as close as I ever came to allowing myself to take advantage of my looks. I feel better EARNING things though. Even with my looks, any MA I would have gotten into would have been based more around what I could PROVIDE, not just my appearance.

  461. Freeroamin says:

    One of my girls previous SDs told her he couldn’t afford it anymore – I like that and will probably use it myself when the time comes

  462. Lula says:

    seems like a lot of you SDs are just a teensy bit, kinda, sorta… misogynists?!

    *shrugs shoulders, stares awkwardly at the floor*

    Peace and love <3 (and respect)

  463. Xoxo says:

    Some of you on here are odd for how you think SDs should work. $110 for a first meeting is strange to be upset over like you are robbing him.. If you have an issue with accepting allowance, maybe being a sugar baby isn’t right for you. Typically, $300-$500 for dinner alone is the norm and I do not ask, they offer. Do you think the mentally insane fill up Whatsyourprice.com? That is allowance before you ever touch them and is simply for dinner. While there are many reasons, they are giving money because they appreciate the SB’s time and want to give a gift (their words). So you are saying that SB’s who receive gifts before she lays a hand on him makes her a horrible person? You are focusing that she MUST have sex with him before gifts occur and that is the sad part to me. Sounds like some of you are focusing on the wrong part of the sb/sd relationship and sound worse than me.

    Outside of 2 early SDs, I have dated men who have a listed net worth of 50-100 million+, income over 1 million. Giving thousands before meeting or even on the first date is not insane to me or shows mental illness. They clearly have a different view of money and more cash to blow than the average Joe, so I think it is silly to insinuate women are deplorable for accepting such money on a sugar daddy site. A SD of mine spent over 5k on our first date together and I later spent the week at his 16 million dollar mansion. A close friend of mine received 20k after only 2 dates and another friend was given a pair of Loubs at dinner, before any touching had even occurred! Ladies, there are real SDs on there and you are worth the allowances. Don’t settle. Don’t let some of these commenters tell you that it is disgusting to accept allowance when you are on a sugar daddy site. Some of you scare me for the fact I can practically see the hatred of women dripping from your posts. (Josh, you are not included in my writings..)

    Anyways, that is my contribution and will not be commenting anymore. So Sweetea, you can find platonic SDs, SDs who will give money simply for photos of your feet, or you being a dominatrix and urinating on them. There are so many different type of SDs out there to cater to. Good luck :).

  464. Josh says:

    If a man/woman is eccentric enough to only go on sugar dates when all his/her conditions are met, then who to say s/he can’t?

    Based on what Jacob has written about the kind of woman he is looking for, the chance of a woman making it are 1:billion–as he is looking for at most 6 women. More power to our resident uterus man. 😉

  465. RSD says:

    I think it is very possible (though rare) for an SD to give out thousands of dollars without sex or even meeting. Remember the rinser documentary? There can be a number of reasons such as fear of meeting, getting caught, STDs, pregnancy, blackmail, etc. Plus, you have to take into account the fact that money is worth different things to different people. $4k/mo is not a significant amount of money to me but will change the life of a young jobless student. And for someone a couple orders of magnitude richer than me, $4k for a few texts or phone calls would be like me giving a quarter to the needy. Yes, as pointed out, people that rich are exceedingly rare, but they do exist.

  466. Josh says:

    @Alexis,

    If a guy does not even know how you look like then it’s a different thing. And as you noted, he may have some issues.

    But good looking women–heck good looking men–get things in this looks-based society that not so good looking people don’t.

  467. Alexis says:

    “Well, it’s kinda like the girl who sends herself flowers at work to feel special compared to the other girls who got no flowers.”

    Yes yes, I believe so.

    I had a gentleman offer me a very small amount of money ($110) to come to his business to meet him. He didn’t even know what I looked like, which I did think was kind of sweet, but I didn’t feel right about taking money just to meet the man and passed. I mean it was pretty obvious (at least to me) that the guy had some type of desperation or other sad issue. What kind of woman would I be if I took advantage of that? No way, can’t do it. I’ve got to live with myself.

    Really now, it’s certainly not very classy to rinse a desperate/lonely/other sad type of guy on here and even LESS classy to brag about it if you did.

    Do unto others…?

    *shrugs*

  468. flyR says:

    “”””””There were SB who were just friends with, and just enjoyed being around each other. I became a member and the only relationships that I see are ones that involve sex, which I am not interested in. So, can someone please inform me if I am in the wrong place?””””

  469. Jacob says:

    There are about 1500 billionaires in a world of 7 billion people; i.e. 1 in more than 4 million. Most lotteries have better odds than securing a billionaire SD. V happened to be a “lottery” winner.

  470. FatB'StardSA says:

    ^^^ excuse the bad grammar!

  471. Josh says:

    Jacob,

    I have seen her old pictures. She’s fine. Not super hot.

    Regardless of how hot she was and how often she was sleeping with Sterling…millions of dollars?

  472. Josh says:

    “Seems like you are so horny you are eager to kiss ass to a profile.”

    Hahahaha! If I were horny, I would be on a different site.

    There are reportedly 2.3 million SBs on the site and I have seen significant number of SB profiles, which are hotter than Jay’s.

    Again the point is not whether I am horny or not. It is irrelevant as Xoxo and I are never coming into anu arrangement.

    The point is that since Xoxo has not posted abnoxious message attacking anyone, she should not be called names.

  473. Jacob says:

    Do you actually believe what Sterling and V said about their platonic relationship? V used to be quite hot, and quite a model material, as her pile of photos from her modelling career showed.

  474. Josh says:

    Jacob, the point is not if she received $4000, that is, $2000+$2000, as she acknowledged earlier. The point is, with that body and reasonable face a woman CAN pull it off.

    If anything, she is lot better-looking than Sterling’s mistress, who both parties “claim” did not have sleep with each other.

    Mr. Sterling’s mistress received hundreds of thousands, if not millions, from the guy who allegedly claimed that he could easily get blow jobs for $500.

    Rinsing is an art. Even savvy SD, such as, gentle are not immune from it. 😉

  475. Jacob says:

    Josh, I have seen hot bodies in photos that turn out to be all rinkly in real life or attached to so-so faces. Slow down, Josh, and breathe 😉

  476. Josh says:

    Jacob, are you telling me that Jay’s body from the profile is not hot enough?

  477. Jacob says:

    “Any woman with that level of beauty and youth will get “some” takers. ”

    And you are jumping to her defense before even seeing a clear head shot of her. LOL. IMHO, soon enough some enterprising young girl with that kind of pronounced thigh gap will put up a sign in Time Square saying “kiss me for $20; cheeks only”; she might just become a millionaire in one month standing there, assuming she doesn’t get arrested by NYC cops for not paying the city for a street vendor license first. It would only take 5 cheek peckers per minute; there are enough male tourist flow in Time Square for that. That’s the power of mass market appeal.

    At $4000 from a single payer, some nuts are loose in that guy’s brain.

  478. Josh says:

    Now the real question is where SweaTea stands in the level of hotness. If she is as hot is Xoxo she “may” get some takers. If she isn’t she won’t. Simple as that.

  479. Josh says:

    @FatB’StardSA

    I am neither sending her any money nor meeting her anytime soon. I am not into texting or even sexting. I prefer to meet in person and get the arrangement going. She is hundreds of miles away. Even though she claims that she prefers long distance arrangements, I am not into long distance arrangements. Guess who pays for SBs travel expenses?

    The point is that Xoxo has posted without calling anyone names. So she should be extended the common courtesy as well. That’s all, my friend. 😉

  480. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Josh

    There is always someone desperate enough to fall for it and someone without ethics ready to exploit the situation. Feel free to kiss her ass. Maybe she can text with you for $4K.

  481. Josh says:

    Now 6 hour phone conversation is a red flag though. A man staying on phone for 6 hours. Something questionable there. 😉

  482. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Jacob

    Most people would be ashamed to take advantage of such a SD but it’s no surprise that there are SB’s out there who actively look for such people. I guess everyone is fair game.

  483. Xoxo says:

    @Jacob, I mentioned in a previous post that I forgot about the beach house SD. He was not factored into the estimate. Plus, it is an estimate off the top of my head. Sorry that I don’t take random blog posting seriously….

  484. RSD says:

    @Blue, care to explain what “unavoidable circumstances” refers to exactly?

  485. Jacob says:

    “I have gotten about 4-5k from SDs without touching them. I am currently talking to a SD who has given me 4k without meeting him… Not sure why he is distant and never seems eager to meet yet throws money, but they are out there. Had a guy give 1k with no sex. Had another randomly give me $ for my car repairs when he lived across the country and we never met. Another guy gave a $300 gc to say sorry for missing our first date.”

    “I forgot to mention another SD who gave an allowance with no sex. I spent a week at his beach house and he never once touched me. It was a special and rare arrangement, for sure. Each phone call we had before we met was 6 hours long. I spent time with his son, even met his ex-wife and employees at his company.

    Concerning the SD who recently gave me 4k, he is the opposite of that last arrangement. He said he is “low maintenance”, so I know a strong emotional connection is not his goal, neither is sex. I wish we could become more like my previous arrangements, but I will respect his boundaries and not act like a clinger :(. I have had sexual arrangements and I have never been the one to suggest being platonic.”

    hmm, $4k + $1k + car repairs + $300 + that beach house 6hr talker = $4-5k. Perhaps that beach house guy talked multiple 6hr sessions, showed her to the ex-wife, son, and employees and then took money from the SB? LOL.

    So, now we have the real story: “I have had sexual arrangements” is the norm; the big splashy claim about $4-5k without touching anyone was mostly due to one guy who gave $4k. Care to guess who that unicorn guy might have been? A mentally challenged person / Asperger’s? The real dad who saw his daughter on the site while browsing for his own interest?

    At least the pretty girl is not doing what I thought she was doing to achieve her original claim: going to 30-50 dinners and rinsing potential SD’s for $100-200 a pop.

  486. Carmen says:

    Sweetea, there are guys out there that aren’t looking for sex. I’ve actually had a few contact me and let me know ahead of time that sex would not be part of the relationship. They were looking for more of a cuddle buddy I guess. There are some lonely guys out there that just want some company. But they are the exception to the rule. I’d say most guys want sex at some point in time.

  487. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Xoxo

    I also said you were scum. In case you missed that part.

    Have a nice day :-).

  488. Blue says:

    I don’t know if it’s really easy to end or leave “someone.” As for someone like me, I don’t think I need to address anyone I’ve been with as “sugar” or what because they’re people too; they’re not brands that we have to label them. In my experience, it was tough because I got quite close to him, and I felt so comfortable and so easy whenever I was with him. He’s probably one of those guys who knows how to anticipate things in the right time. Things had to cut off between us because of some unavoidable circumstances. Nonetheless, it’s hard to say or force yourself to feel okay especially when you are too soft inside. As for me, I’m quite the emotional kind of guy so yeah, that’s probably the reason why I felt that way. But there’s more to life, and God knows how thankful I am for that chapter in my life :)

  489. Xoxo says:

    @Josh. Majority of my arrangements were actually long distance (California, NYC, Florida). I prefer it that way. I make sure I am the one traveling to them once we are in an arrangement. I don’t want them burdened by my distance.

    The 4k SD even states that he wants someone who will text him during the day.. So I guess that is his ideal form of entertainment! He never even flirts or takes the bait which makes me confused! :p

    And also, to any women out there, I never straight up ask for that “free” allowance. My profile is direct enough on allowance though.

  490. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “Even better is the fact that I tell SBs that that’s how I got rid of all their predecessors but they still cannot help but sabotage the arrangement. It’s just innate to being a woman I suppose. My gem was called so because she went a full two years before actively sabotaging things but she did it nontheless.”

    All women-savvy men know that women proactively sabotage their relationships/arrangements, and have their own systems to protect from it.

    But “Proactive sabotage” is not in the vocabulary of a common man.

  491. Josh says:

    @Xoxo

    I would give you good allowance if I were nearby but unfortunately I am 700 miles from you.

    “Free” money is only reserved for a short time for girls who can entertain me other than sex, but sex will have to follow sooner or later.

    PS: If you are entertaining me then it’s not “free” money. You deserve it. 😉

  492. RSD says:

    @Xoxo I actually believe the key to platonic relationships for you is what you said–that you’re not the one to insist that it be platonic.

    A girl insisting on platonic before the guy even brings up sex is totally obnoxious.

  493. RSD says:

    Even better is the fact that I tell SBs that that’s how I got rid of all their predecessors but they still cannot help but sabotage the arrangement. It’s just innate to being a woman I suppose. My gem was called so because she went a full two years before actively sabotaging things but she did it nontheless.

  494. RSD says:

    Yeah I don’t think I can pull the money card with a straight face, good an actor as I am.

    I’ll have to stick to letting each SB dig her own grave. Just sit back, be nice, put some limited money on the table and they will actively ruin it so bad that they’re ashamed of how they treated you when you break up with them. About the most they’d beg for is a chance to redeem themselves. Works every time.

  495. Josh says:

    @gentle(man)soul

    “3) The Money Card : This is by far the best even though underhanded. You tell her your finances are in a slide and you can not afford her allowance anymore.”

    I could not pull it off. The SB was getting on my nerve by constantly demanding more monthly allowance. I tried to use the money card and got, “Don’t lie to me. I know that you are loaded.”

    The only thing she knew about my finances was my German car, my taste in food and my choice of hotels (nothing spactacular, just 3-4 star hotels). She did not even know my real name. 😉

  496. RSD says:

    @Josh, I met one girl from the site who wanted to do it 20 min into the first date. She wanted revenge against her bf who went to see his parents for Xmas without taking her.

    Another example is my ex-SB who wants a continued arrangement just to feel like we are still together, so I proposed $2.00 per month. I went to see her for her birthday and gave her $4 for July and August. She can’t possibly be accused of sleeping with me for money.

  497. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “Well, it’s kinda like the girl who sends herself flowers at work to feel special compared to the other girls who got no flowers.”

    Hmmm, so that’s what was going on when this girl received flowers and no one could figure out who sent them?

  498. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “stories of SBs offering sex and not asking for anything, which I have experienced also.”

    And what were the circumstances of that happening?

  499. RSD says:

    In all fairness, stories of SBs getting money without sex should be balanced with stories of SBs offering sex and not asking for anything, which I have experienced also.

  500. RSD says:

    Well, it’s kinda like the girl who sends herself flowers at work to feel special compared to the other girls who got no flowers. Some people make up stories of SDs giving them money for just being. There was a girl at work who claimed that older men paid her $1,500 for just having dinner with them. Problem with these stories is that it has to be sexless in the sotry, otherwise people would label the girl and look down on her. Odd thing is that everyone assumed she’d give more than her company, but no one could prove it, so she went on feeling extra special.

  501. Alexis says:

    “Ive never had a SD who gives me sort amount of money… I WISH..!!! but i have heard the same story from XOXO from other SB’s Before.”

    We obviously have some SBs who have taken their failure to hook a SD in without sex, personally. They probably initially came here because of the stories of some other SB who failed to hook an SD in without sex who “elaborated” her experience. This then causes them to create stories of their own to tell other pot SBs. All of this creates an endless cycle of poor girls coming here thinking they can get money just to exist, then creating BS stories to compensate their “failures” when this is unachievable.

    On and on and on…
    Guess it’s like a competition thing.
    *shrugs*

  502. RSD says:

    I think my new system (which I have implemented pretty much since 2010) is rather simple. First date is meet and greet only, somewhere public, nothing physical. It allows for the common situation in which I think the SB is awesome when we first meet but I wake up the next morning and change my mind.

    After that, we meet in private (my sugar apartment). It’s not worth the risk of getting caught and people gossiping to keep meeting in public. Sex would be anticipated on the second date and expected by the third.

    Hypothetically, if by the third date there is no sex, whether it is my decision or theirs, I would declare the arrangement lacking chemistry and move on. But this actually hasn’t happened. If I kept them for a second or third date, I slept with them.

  503. Josh says:

    I will not prepay unless I get some entertainment out of a particular meeting. As RSD wrote above, if sex does not happen sooner or later then there’s something wrong with the “arrangement”.

  504. gentle(man)soul says:

    Prepaying : Some people call it investing in a long term proposition.

    I will meet with a Pot several times but no money exchanges hands until the full arrangement begins . I am happy to treat for drinks and dinner but that is it .Every outing beyond the bedroom is risky to me ,and a waste of valuable time. Is that wrong ? So insensitive .

    I have prepaid existing SBs several times who had fallen on hard(er) times . All have stiffed me .You would think I’d learn but some girls have perfected the art of rinsing .

    @Fat B

    ” If you find a SD like Xoxo claims to have then you are taking advantage of a mentally ill individual.” Too funny and true !!

    I have a Pot I am meeting for dinner tomorrow night .We have already discussed our attitudes towards sex and she reserves the privilege of sex until after the first date. I am not counting on it but I bet the panties will drop. If not there is always another day .It is fun to talk about sex to get both parties on the same page ,and to stimulate some excitement . And I’ve gotta tell you I am excited !! She is 20 and seems excited also .

  505. Josh says:

    If a woman is not going to have sex with you, all she is saying really is, “you are not good enough for me.”

    The definition of “good enough” will vary from woman to woman.

  506. Josh says:

    “She already is -where do I send money XXX ?”

    Me too me too. Just dying to send you money Xoxo. No touching needed dear. OK sweetie?

  507. RSD says:

    Also I should say that my stories are from five years ago and I’m much wiser. I’d drop girls like that like hot potatoes. They’d never make it to a second date.

    But I do now pay for a first date, just so I don’t get guilted if I don’t want a second date, and also to set the tone that I pay and I set the terms of the relationship.

  508. RSD says:

    I’ve definitely given money to SBs without sex under many different situations. However, it’s always short-term while I decide if I really want to sleep with the SB or not, or a one-time or short-term thing out of pity/charity. There is no rational way an SB can milk me long-term without sex, not because I am always specifically paying for sex, but because if we are not having sex after a few dates there is something seriously wrong with the relationship.

    Probably the longest I’ve supported an SB without sex was these two roommates I was with for six weeks. They were very entertaining and fun, so I stayed with them, but I avoided sex because I was worried about what they were really up to. Then I found out they were heroin addicts, dumped them, and thanked God for giving me the intuition not to have sex with them.

    Another time I had an SB for maybe 3-4 weeks whom I really liked but never slept with because she was married. Religiously, sleeping with a married woman is a problem (do not covet thy neighbor’s wife). Of course, coveting thy neighbor’s husband was fine.

  509. sugardoll says:

    FatB’StardSA says:
    September 9, 2014 at 4:22 pm
    To all of the SB’s out there looking for a platonic arrangement:

    If you find a SD like Xoxo claims to have then you are taking advantage of a mentally ill individual.

    SB’s like Xoxo and sugardoll and other who prey on the mentally ill or weak are the scum of the earth.

    Have a nice day :-).

    Ive never had a SD who gives me sort amount of money… I WISH..!!! but i have heard the same story from XOXO from other SB’s Before… So i asked her.. how does she could get them.. ? cuz one of the best i had was giving me $500.00 per meet, with no sex until the 3rd date, (i didnt say touching). Ive never had one who gives me something for nothing. Just wondering where those SD’s are.

  510. sugardoll says:

    Jacob says:
    September 9, 2014 at 4:15 pm
    Ok, I have to admit, I gave my ex-SB/GF more than $5k after the sex part ended. However, that was because she and I had been going at it for nearly a year and half, and she was facing real hardship after our thing ended, so chalk that up as humanitarian aid. I wouldn’t do that for just some random stranger regardless how good looking that person is or what skill / sob-story she might have.

    My kind of SD… lol

  511. FatB'StardSA says:

    To all of the SB’s out there looking for a platonic arrangement:

    If you find a SD like Xoxo claims to have then you are taking advantage of a mentally ill individual.

    SB’s like Xoxo and sugardoll and other who prey on the mentally ill or weak are the scum of the earth.

    Have a nice day :-).

  512. Jacob says:

    Ok, I have to admit, I gave my ex-SB/GF more than $5k after the sex part ended. However, that was because she and I had been going at it for nearly a year and half, and she was facing real hardship after our thing ended, so chalk that up as humanitarian aid. I wouldn’t do that for just some random stranger regardless how good looking that person is or what skill / sob-story she might have.

  513. gentle(man)soul says:

    @XOXO

    ” I have gotten about 4-5k from SDs without touching them.”
    Oh ,I know ! You are a lawyer ! A hypnotist ? Both ?

    @Josh

    @Xoxo,
    You need to post your profile id for us to see your assets, and more importantly write a book on how to make that kind of money from SDs. You will be a millionaire in no time. 😉

    She already is -where do I send money XXX ?

  514. Jacob says:

    We have finally found Beck’s SB. LOL!

  515. sugardoll says:

    @Xoxo,

    You need to post your profile id for us to see your assets, and more importantly write a book on how to make that kind of money from SDs. You will be a millionaire in no time. 😉

    True, she should share, i havent found one yet to give me more than $500.00 per visit, without sex. But looking for a true and valuable one now.. Not willing to spend my time for crap $$ 😉

  516. Josh says:

    @Xoxo,

    What is your skillset to extract that kind of money from SDs without letting them touch you. I am a fan!!!

  517. Josh says:

    @Xoxo,

    You need to post your profile id for us to see your assets, and more importantly write a book on how to make that kind of money from SDs. You will be a millionaire in no time. 😉

  518. SweeTea says:

    Xoxo Thanks, just needed to know if those types of relationships actually existed.

    @Josh says- thanks for the laugh!

  519. Xoxo says:

    Sweetea… I have gotten about 4-5k from SDs without touching them. I am currently talking to a SD who has given me 4k without meeting him… Not sure why he is distant and never seems eager to meet yet throws money, but they are out there. Had a guy give 1k with no sex. Had another randomly give me $ for my car repairs when he lived across the country and we never met. Another guy gave a $300 gc to say sorry for missing our first date.
    My friends get a couple hundred in gc without meeting, so it is possible…. Just don’t get your hopes up.

  520. Josh says:

    @SweeTea

    Also, how are your belly dancing skills?

  521. RSD says:

    SweeTea, you need to think seriously about what it is you’re offering an SD. Unless you’re offering something, you will find few if any buyers. Few relationships lasts without sex, and sugar ones are hardly an exception.

  522. Josh says:

    @SweeTea

    I am assuming that you are an SB. What’s your age, enthnicity, hotness index, etc., please?

  523. Alexis says:

    SweeTea,
    Yes, you’re in the wrong place if you don’t wish to provide sexual interaction which is part of any arrangement just as it’s part of any “normal” relationship. Do you think a man would just pay you to simply exist? Face it sweety, as women we are just not that special lol.

    Notice the word “mutual” in the “mutual arrangement”. 😉

  524. SweeTea says:

    Completely off topic, but, can someone please help me understand if I am just holding on to a fantasy. Before I joined this site I read all kinds of blogs and comments about how there were so many different types of relationships on the site. There were SB who were just friends with, and just enjoyed being around each other. I became a member and the only relationships that I see are ones that involve sex, which I am not interested in. So, can someone please inform me if I am in the wrong place?

  525. FatB'StardSA says:

    I guess calling the SA blog staff a group of idiots is a problem now :-).

  526. FatB'StardSA says:

    It seems my posts are being removed :-).

  527. gentle(man)soul says:

    Girl technique :

    POOOOOOOFFFFFFFFF !!!! I cannot count the number of times an SB has done this to me . And they have the nerve to pop back up always when they are needing money. I’m sure the high class Ladies of the Blog are exceptions to this generalization. SBs are like itinerant construction workers . They work when they need the money and take off to play when they are flush .

  528. gentle(man)soul says:

    Saying Goodbye(The Male Side)

    1) Honesty -brutal and insensitive “I’m just not into you ” is damaging to the ego and generates anger at being rejected

    2)Poof -stopping all communication is low class and leaves loose ends (so to speak ). The rejected party always wonders what happened and definitely knows he is not into you . It is Ego blasting plus no opportunity for saying goodbye . There is always that hope that he still loves you and had an emergency hemorrhoidectomy or something to explain why he would do such a thing .

    3) The Money Card : This is by far the best even though underhanded. You tell her your finances are in a slide and you can not afford her allowance anymore. ” Honey I care deeply for you but I can’t afford allowance ,but I would still like to see you ” This leaves the door open for future resumption of activities and leaves her ego intact, the best of both worlds ! She thinks she is still attractive and desirable to you ,and generates sympathy for your situation. “Poor darling, of course I would like to still see you ! ” NOT !! She will run since the gravy train has left the Station .

    4)The Discovery Card : “Darling , my Wife has discovered my secret phone and is looking for you . I have to back off to keep you safe —but I will call when the coast is clear ” This is a deeper version of # 3. No money is one thing but drama is potentially worse .She is gone and glad of it .

    5)Combo Discovery default : She will run faster than it takes her text to get back to you . And still she thinks you care about her ,so her ego is intact .

  529. sugardoll says:

    Amoreeee mio!! back to SA.. lol.. lets see what i get now!

  530. Josh says:

    Hello mi amor. How’s life?

  531. sugardoll says:

    for me it can disappear…. idgaf… well depends if the allowance was really significant… at least let me know i wont count w my next one. lol

  532. Josh says:

    DON’T VEER FOR DEER

  533. Elaine says:

    -BE CLEAR, DON’T JUST TRY TO DISAPPEAR!-

  534. Josh says:

    This is why women call men simpletons who think using their little head.

    The answer is FAT CHANCE. All these niceties are for men to offer and women to consume.

  535. sugardoll says:

    how does a break up works with a SD?! is that a relationship in sort of a way?! im confuse… last time i saw a SD we just stopped texting each other.. thats it.

  536. sugardoll says:

    Shit, i lost my previous post.. how is everybody?

  537. NC Gent says:

    I also love the parting gift allowance…. so conversely, if the SB dumps the SD because she finds another SD, is the SB supposed to give the SD free sex until he finds another SB? If not, seems like a double standard to me.

  538. NC Gent says:

    I thought you just stopped paying her and she stopped showing up? Right? Am I missing something here?

  539. Josh says:

    “A SD is supposed to give a going away allowance!?”

    Correcto! Because based on the blog logic and the SB profiles, the SB is the princess to be perpetually rescued, and the SD is the creep unless he keeps on redeeming himself by paying up.

  540. Johnnie says:

    The only way one should break up with their SD or SB is by email, phone or text. Anything else would be super rude. The last thing I want to do is show up somewhere and get blown off by the SB. Save me the trouble and just tell me, or just stop answering my requests. Same difference. There are more of you on the site so the sooner I know, the quicker I can find a replacement. Jeez!

  541. Alexis says:

    Oh geeze, more of this “take her somewhere” crap lol. PLEASE don’t take me somewhere if you’re going to remove yourself from our interaction. Just send me an email or text!

    Why do I have to get ready, drive somewhere, and think everything’s great only to have to be canned lol. That’s such a waste of time and VERY awkward.

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