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Glasses, glasses everywhere, for every drop you drink (Part I)
  • Posted Aug 12, 2014

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For a woman new to the glamorous life, the high-end dinner table or cocktail party may seem impossibly complex. However, not every elegant diner who seems preternaturally at ease with fancy dining paraphernalia learned her skills at finishing school. In fact, most ladies—and their gentlemen, too—learn the difference between a grapefruit spoon and a caviar spoon, or between a tumbler and a highball glass, by experience and study.

We’ll leave it to you and your companion to decide where best to practice, but below is a primer on the many different kinds of glassware designed to bring out the best in your wine. Keep those pinky fingers extended, ladies!

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Every element of a wine glass is there for a particular reason.

Nice stems

Just about every glass meant to hold wine has a stem. These may be tall stems in relation to the bowl, as in sherry glasses and champagne flutes; or they may be stubby, as in port and madeira glasses. Most glasses for standard red and white wines, however, have a stem length roughly equal to the height of their bowls.

Cocktail glasses sporting stems include those for martinis, with their signature cone shape. Another spirits glass is just for grappa and has a unique and charming bubble shape at the bottom of its bowl for this strong brandy that must be kept cool to remain palatable.

Actually, keeping wine and spirits cool is the reason for stems in glassware. You don’t put ice in wine or in a martini, for example, but these drinks must remain at a relatively low temperature to provide their ideal taste. The stem allows an imbiber to hold on to the glass and sip at her drink while not making it undrinkably warm from the heat of her hand.

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Champagne flutes keep the bubbles flowing.

Glass class

If a glass has a wide mouth and a 1-to-1 bowl-to-stem length, it is probably for wine. The larger of such glasses usually hold red wine, and the smaller white wine.

Very small stemware is for dessert wines such as port, “standard” sweet, and sauternes as well as the aforementioned madeira and sherry.

Narrow stemware such as tulips and flutes are intended for sparkling wines, since not as much of the liquid is exposed to the air. This helps keep bubbly … well, bubbly longer. The best sparkling wine glasses incorporate a single notch near the bottom to create a steady stream of intoxicating bubbles.

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The madeira glass is perfectly designed for this dessert wine.

Miscellaneous glasses

Alsace and hock glasses have very long stems when compared to their small bowls. It would be best practice to just ask your sommelier or a bartender to demonstrate use of these specialized pieces of glassware. (Remember that cocktail creation specialists grow tired of the making the same old thing and may jump at the chance to show off some little-used but impressive part of their mixological repertoire!)

Read Part II: Glasses for spirits


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340 Responses to “Glasses, glasses everywhere, for every drop you drink (Part I)”

  1. Nuria Smith says:

    Nice collection of Glasses,I must say. According to me any celebration would not be completed,if the proper glasses as per the drink and event would not be provided. Like your efforts to describe such things about the Glasses. Keep sharing.

  2. good info thanks for posting it

  3. I csn not read any messages and i tried to upgrade it wouldn’t let me

  4. Alexis says:

    Ok mom

  5. I’m on to you, sweets 😉

  6. Alexis says:

    “As a matter of fact! I think that…

    Miss Millie= Alexis=You, my love.”

    No, pumpkin

  7. “Josh says:
    @yogottabedisappointingme

    There’s a subtle difference between measly second and millisecond. There’s an “s” in the former. ”

    Ok, weirdykisses.

    On to part 2, I suppose.

  8. Josh says:

    Since Sir SunShineSD is seeking a maximum of six uteruses, a more apprpriate blog id is Jacob/2.

  9. […] the first part of this series, we discussed the design and function of the many kinds of wine glasses one might encounter at […]

  10. Josh says:

    @yogottabedisappointingme

    There’s a subtle difference between measly second and millisecond. There’s an “s” in the former. 😉

  11. Jacob says:

    Jacob was not a Prophet. Jacob the Israelite was a Patriarch. The Father of the Twelve Tribes to be exact.

  12. “@yougottabestalkingme”

    Bahaha! You’re funny, babe ;-p. I actually looked because your comment wasn’t there moment before I posted.

  13. Josh says:
    August 19, 2014 at 9:37 am
    @yougottabestalkingme

    “Awww…look, sweets…we posted at the same time up there.

    Soulmates”

    Maybe so in the measly seconds. Not even close when we’re talking Plank time, babe.”

    “…in the measly seconds”. Now that’s what I call romance.

    Thank you, creator of all things created, for creating the millisecond allowing my beau and me to bask in the impermanence of our loveship.

    You are a considerate god. I humbly thank you for your generosity.

  14. Josh says:

    @yougottabekiddingme

    “Regarding the trinity plus beck?”

    No yougottabekiddingme sweetheart. The the whole dang song and her markups on the song are a source of inspiration for rhetorical questions.

  15. [Raises hand eagerly gesturing to be called on.]

    The creator of all things created would answer that the uterus in the mere essence of its purpose was innately envious…of itself.

  16. Josh says:

    @yougottabestalkingme

    “Awww…look, sweets…we posted at the same time up there.

    Soulmates”

    Maybe so in the measly seconds. Not even close when we’re talking Plank time, babe.

  17. Josh says:

    “What would you ask if you had just one question(why)?”

    Just one question:

    1(a): O the Creator of all things created, did you create uterus first or envy first or both within the very same Plank time?

    1(b): What was Plank time called before Plank discovered it?

  18. “Josh says:
    August 19, 2014 at 9:22 am
    Needless to say Kms2014 has opened a can of pearly worms…and/or…an everlasting spring of rhetorical questions…”

    Regarding the trinity plus beck?

  19. Kms2014 says:

    Blog legend has it that Beck finds it uncouth to offer anything less than $1,500 for a strictly dinner date that he will spend $2,000 on for food and drink…arrangement allowances are in the $20,000-25,000 range, per month…..(;

  20. Awww…look, sweets…we posted at the same time up there.

    Soulmates

  21. Kms2014 says:

    Ygbkm….I like, Beck, though….do you know of his legend? He was interesting guy(writer/whomever he was).

  22. Kms2014 says:

    Sorry, I should not have…will go back into hiding(or behaving, again).

  23. Josh says:

    Needless to say Kms2014 has opened a can of pearly worms…and/or…an everlasting spring of rhetorical questions…

  24. Or!

    If seeing meant that you would have to believe, would you believe in all four of my identities, plus Beck?

  25. Ha! That’ll be the title!

    Home is where the uterus is.

  26. Josh says:

    I am just another stranger (bullshitter) on the bus, I guess. 😉

  27. Kms2014 says:

    Yes, yes, very good! you are a much better songwriter than I, Josh….

  28. Josh says:

    home = uterus?

  29. Kms2014 says:

    This song was released, in 1995, so the young people will not know of it, or those outside of US 😉

  30. Kms2014 says:

    Josh has a point again…what if God were amongst us, in the blog, and we did not realise, except for the ‘subtle’ hints we are given each day 😉 does anyone remember the Joan Osborne song, ‘One of Us’? What if the words went like this instead…what if God were on of us, on the blog like one of us…it made me think….

    “If God had a name what would it be(could it be…SunshineSD, sunshineofyourlove, sunshine4you, to Jacob(Jacob is biblical??)
    And would you call it to His face(hopefully not)?
    If you were faced with Him in all His glory(we face it daily on blog)
    What would you ask if you had just one question(why)?

    Yeah, yeah, God is great
    Yeah, yeah, God is good
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

    What if God was one of us?
    Just on the blog like one of us!
    Just a stranger on the bus(Porsche Macan)
    Trying to make Its way (to 10 million)home

    If God had a face
    What would it look like?
    And would you want to see(no, please, God, no)
    If seeing meant that you would have to believe(would I need to believe in all four identities, plus Beck?)
    In things like Heaven and Jesus and the Saints(and baby farm Utopias)
    And all the Prophets(baby mamas)

    Yeah, yeah God is great
    Yeah, yeah God is good
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
    What if God was one of us?

    Just on the blog like one of us
    Just a stranger on the bus(Macan)
    Trying to make His way home
    Just trying to make Its way home(and drive us crazy at the same time)”

  31. “Josh says:
    August 19, 2014 at 8:29 am
    @yougottabeblamingmen

    “Chicken or the egg?”

    No need for any “reason”. Just use your inalienable right to accuse one man, a group of men or the whole MANkind for anything. It’s all “legal” and protected by the common law. ”

    “yougottabeblamingmen”…ha…cute, babe.

    Are rhetorical questions no longer the most stimulating source of your erection, my dear?

    I’m not blaming men for anything. I’m just saying that the pot* can’t call the kettle black*.

    *This comment, by no means of the interpretive imagination, should be taken as a claim or reference to race or drugs. Nor should it be interpreted to refer to black people cooking pot in a kettle.

    You’re welcome.

  32. Kms2014 says:

    What do you think it would be titled, ygbkm? Do tell?

  33. Josh says:

    “she had to work for my businesses just to get laid by me.”

    That sounds mighty horny to me.

  34. Dearest Almighty Blog Gods,

    Please bless SunshineOfYourJacob with his very own thead.

    In the name of Heyzeus,

    ygbkm

  35. Josh says:

    @yougottabeblamingmen

    “Chicken or the egg?”

    No need for any “reason”. Just use your inalienable right to accuse one man, a group of men or the whole MANkind for anything. It’s all “legal” and protected by the common law. 😉

  36. Jacob says:

    LOL, Josh, contrary to most people’s increased sex drive when in desperate situations or facing environmental pressures, I find my appetite for sex and dating wane severely when I do not have the extra free cash flow to float another mommy – baby pair at more than 10x national average child support; why risk condemning all three people to misery. What would be frontal lobe control for most smart people is apparently hard wired into intuition for me. My ex-wife used to joke about me panicking when we didn’t hit some inflated montgly revenue goal, so she had to work for my businesses just to get laid by me. Guess I was the one engaging in denial of sex, accidentally. LOL. At least I was working 100+ hours a week myself back then to make those self appointed goals.

    When I am interested in dating and that extra cash flow reserve having not yet matched to a new mommy – baby pair, a dozen or two meals at decent restaurants a month is not a problem.

  37. Kms2014 says:

    Love a good laugh with my morning coffee. The blog always delivers, in that aspect 😉

  38. Jacob says:

    I didn’t know there is a loyalty / loyalty issue involved in platonic dinners. LOL. When the relationship becomes exclusive for both by agreement after being together for a while, of course I’d stop screwing around, and even prevent myself from getting into potentially compromising situations, like getting high or getting drunk with other members of opposite sex. This discipline for statistical risk avoidance is something that many women are not
    good at. IMHO.

  39. Could be that “These hoes ain’t loyal,” because y’all “Got hoes in different area codes.” Chicken or the egg?

  40. Josh says:

    “I travelled and had a in person interview with every girl I talked to I would have to quit work and would be broke.”

    SunShineSD can’t go broke. He breath money in, breath money out. Actually his is the literal golden shower girls store in their Loubs.

    SunShineSD currently diggin’ cellars under all his properties for million wine bottle collection, which would be putchased at discount thanks to FlyR’s money saving ideas.

  41. Jacob says:

    Only 1 of the 5 was counted towards the dozen+ first dates. 2 of the 5 were actually very short meetings because her work place is very close to one of my properties and her home us very close to another. I count every face to face time as the woman’s opportunity to convince me why she deserves an arrangement from me.

  42. Jacob says:

    Ack, auto correction produced typos on the phone in prev post.

  43. Jacob says:

    @gtt
    Not deliberately looking for saints or virgins. So long as there is no drug addiction (say more than two joints or blunt per week / month) and no steady BF or funk buddy that she sees more than once every other month, that would be fine. BTW, a 20 yo that I saw recent may actually be a virgin or near-virgin pretending to be very experienced. I didn’t have sex with her despite date count going to 5. She was interesting to talk to, but eventually I decided there were just too many other problems to take her on as my responsibility. Cute and sweet girl nonetheless.

  44. Josh says:

    “LOL. No woman (young or old) has refused an invitation from me for a 2nd date yet.”

    SunShineSD no ageist. He interview young (legally 21 year-old) as well as old (almost 22 year-old).

  45. Josh says:

    Even God rested on the seventh day. But SunShineSD don’t need no rest. SunShineSD supa interviewer. He keeps going n going n going…

  46. gtt_envy says:

    @Jacob, you don’t really believe the drug freeness or the boyfriend free status do you? Weed is so common it’s crazy!! As far as BF’s show me a 22 year old that doesn’t occassionally hookup with a hot guy and I’ll call BS on that 9/10.

    As the song goes “These hoes ain’t loyal!!” :)

  47. flyr says:

    @Jacog – I rely on the phone conversation as the primary screen. Much more room to learn the good as well as the bad.

  48. Jacob says:

    @gtt
    I have to have dinners anyway. I enjoy trying out new restaurants and seeing different towns, especially those popular for renters in the exact same age demographic as the SB’s that I’m interested in dating. Conversation with a live person across the table delivers much higher bandwidth than texting. I’m don’t want my SB to develop a skype habit with me.

    Of course, not everyone I contact gets a dinner invitation from me. A couple dozen texts messages are enough to establish interests, career, drug-freeness and boyfriend-freeness. I don’t want to have any allowance discussion archived.

  49. flyr says:

    Being of an older generation my skypeinity remains pure

  50. flyr says:

    For me it is way too exhausting to go on a bunch of dinner dates. Would rather put more care into screening ( for their benefit as much as mine ) via email (off SA) and phone. I lapse into a Rogerian “interview” mode on the phone. It’s 10x better than text .

    Probably 1 in 4 meetings results in a relationship but behind that are probably 100 profiles seriously viewed (vs window shopping) 25 email exchanges . 10 called 3-4 meetings , 1 relationship (also probably 1 this is not going to work as a relationship but let’s get naked anyway we’re adults.

  51. gtt_envy says:

    @Jacob, if you became a texter, snapchatter, instagrammer, skyper, or other lol you could save the time of all of these intereviews you do. I talk everything from allowance, dates, hobbies, likes, dislikes, pics, often sexy pics, sex, everything before we even meet face to face.

    So, meeting is more like a confirmation of what we both think we will like in the other. Granted you still don’t know if you will click, but if I travelled and had a in person interview with every girl I talked to I would have to quit work and would be broke.

    This has worked about 90% of the time. July was 9 different girls Sex or at least “fun” with every single one on the first date because of the use of technology and 2 “made the cut” as you say. I’ve slowed down this month and am only talking to 2 new girls while having 2nd dates with the 2 that made it from July. Date with one Thursday, another next Tuesday, then the 2 from last month on Sunday and the following week 😉

    Technology makes it so much easier! I’ve had weeks I Skype with 10 girls and have fun with 2. Embrace 2014 imo 😉 technology and being current with what apps many early 20 soemthing use makes this so much easier!!

  52. Jacob says:

    I don’t pay people for attending first date either, nor do I spend $1000 on first date dinners. Typical nice local restaurants in the SB’s towns cost about $100-200 for a dinner for two. A reasonable amount of expense for meeting someone for the first time, and a reasonably positive experience for the SB too.

  53. Jacob says:

    LOL. No woman (young or old) has refused an invitation from me for a 2nd date yet. So when I say I will be the deciding factor, it’s a statement of fact 😉 BTW, I never let my date sit through a first dinner with someone who is not interested in her; I’m always very interested in the young woman’s life, regardless whether I eventually grant her an arrangement or not. I’m a very good listener. Most of my ex- sex partners still want talk my ears off. LOL.

    No, Josh, I’m usually more interested in sex than conversation, but it’s the first date we are talking about here.

  54. nicegirl says:

    ok, ok, ok…. give me $1,500 after the insult and I suppose I could leave with no hard feelings.

  55. nicegirl says:

    Come on… on your #2. You are not the only person deciding. Does she not have a say? So you are saying that if you ask her out for a second date she will say yes? I am not so sure unless you are purposely choosing women with very low self esteem.

  56. Josh says:

    Gems from the grandmsater of bullshit…

    “Beck says:
    April 13, 2013 at 10:34 am
    Apologies for causing a consternation. Regarding the $1500, I always felt that it would be uncouth to gift the dinner companion less than what the dinner would cost.

    I would actually settle for someone I can talk to.”

  57. Jacob says:

    “What would your reaction be if in the beginning of the dinner your “candidate” said “I just want you to know that most SD’s don’t make the cut to take me on a second date”?”

    I would:
    1. compliment her for her selectiveness;
    2. assure her that I will be the deciding factor on whether there will be a second date between the two of us.

  58. nicegirl says:

    …Lets just agree to disagree. It works for you and that is what matters in this instance.

  59. Jacob says:

    Nice girl, I treat the 1st date dinner as an extended coffee. It takes more than a few minutes for the two people to warm up to each other and talk about certain topics. I don’t think any woman has been turned off by conceited (but respectful) men, yet 😉 In direct personal interaction anyway. The only way in which I have lost women has been my putting them on pedestals after in long term relationships for a while, and putting up with their crap. Nice girls are attractive, nice men are not 😉 Nice men may as well be shrewish women and harpies in terms of attractiveness to the opposite sex.

  60. nicegirl says:

    I don’t disagree. However, this is not a typical dating scenario. What would your reaction be if in the beginning of the dinner your “candidate” said “I just want you to know that most SD’s don’t make the cut to take me on a second date”? My guess is that you would tell her to take her cute conceded self and leave. It just sounds terrible.

  61. Jacob says:

    The real ratio is something for me to know 😉 It’s generally a good idea at any stage of dating to be able to get across that any given date might just be her last date with you.

  62. nicegirl says:

    “I usually make it quite clear at the dinner that most candidates won’t make it to the 2nd date.”

    Wow – that sounds terrible. Why don’t you just have a quick coffee so they don’t feel like they sat through a dinner with someone that had no interest in them. That is humiliating I think. You should consider a better “prescreening” process which will save wasted time, money and hurt feelings. Honestly, telling a woman that most candidates won’t make it to the second date sets a terrible tone for the dinner AND sounds so conceded – that would turn me off immediately regardless of what you looked like or impression I had of you up to that point.

  63. Josh says:

    “I usually make it quite clear at the dinner that most candidates won’t make it to the 2nd date.”

    😉

  64. Jacob says:

    @RSD
    I avoid disappointing them by making it clear ahead of time that nothing more than a dinner interview is expected. I go to their town for 1st dates, so their time investment is minimal besides dressing up decently for a dinner at one of the top local restaurants that they always wanted to go, something that a typical young woman enjoys doing anyway. I usually make it quite clear at the dinner that most candidates won’t make it to the 2nd date.

  65. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “How do you let so many girls down without hurting their tender feelings?”

    Shhh… 😉

  66. RSD says:

    Jacob, last time I went out with a large number of SBs to see who I liked was about five years ago. I’m so reluctant to try that now, because I realize that it does hurt SBs’ egos when they go out to dinner with me, show interest, and then never get asked out to a second date. Some will keep texting, others get upset or surprised, etc. How do you let so many girls down without hurting their tender feelings?

  67. Josh says:

    “I used to claim I’d try anything once, but by now I think I have.”

    OK so the girl has tried double penetration and does not want to “try” it again. So what?

  68. Josh says:

    I am concentrating on ignoring some people so don’t distract my ignoring.

  69. Josh says:

    Hey Kirsten, I didn’t email you neither.

  70. Josh says:

    Hi SouthernSB I did not email you today. So I am not expecting no email from you.

  71. Kms2014 says:

    Hey southern, I just emailed you back. Have not been online much this afternoon.

  72. nicegirl says:

    @Josh
    “Let there be no part 2 of this largely useless blog topic. Amen!”

    Lets let Sean finish his thought on glassware with Part II – it might be enlightening ;o)

  73. nicegirl says:

    @Flyr – WOW she sounds fun. I think a reply email is in order ;o) She is a little young to claim she has tried everything though.

  74. flyr says:

    Initial email arrived unsolicited from someone not far away

    From the profile of a 23 yo

    I’m very sensual & kinky and love to try new things. I used to claim I’d try anything once, but by now I think I have.

  75. Josh says:

    O Heavenly Father!

    Let there be no part 2 of this largely useless blog topic. Amen!

  76. Jacob says:

    Awww, that’s so schweet. The blog family misses me. LOL. I’m busy today and on the phone most of the day going from location to location. Will be going on vacation with the kids and ex-wife later in the week, so busy wrapping up a few “imaginary” SB appointments for when I come back, as well as filling in for the one lunch slot I do still have before leaving. KMS’ cited article on blind test and MRI brain scan is actually quite thought-provoking, but elaboration will have to wait for later in the evening when I have time in front of full size keyboard.

  77. SouthernSB says:

    I never text due to the fact that I am the last living human being who doesn’t own a smartphone. BTW, KMS2014 you have mail.

  78. Josh says:

    I am not a big fan of restaurant food, and in this sleepy neck of the woods I have to drive one hour to meet anyone.

    I am a big fan of texting. So it works for me.

  79. Josh says:

    MidwestSugarDaddy

    “@Josh, You and KMS agreeing on something?? Lol. The world must be flat.”

    For the common good, I guess 😉

  80. Kms2014 says:

    @midwest, I actually like, Josh, when he is behaving 😉

    I am not sure imaginary interviews with imaginary women count for certain people, though, hehe….

    I agree with the texting thing, however, it is the men who have wanted to text, mainly, in the past…I am not a fan of it either.

  81. MidwestSugarDaddy says:

    @Josh, You and KMS agreeing on something?? Lol. The world must be flat.

    I am in the middle on the wine thing. I think some aged wines taste better, but it is a moneymaking industry with incentives to buy aged wine. My 23 year SB likes wine. We stick within the middle range of the shiraz wines, for the most part.

    Jacob is smart for doing the interview thing. All the young babes want to text all day long. I can’t stand the texting all the time. Texting is for setting up meeting times and hot pictures sent to me from my SB.

  82. Josh says:

    @Kirsten,

    “@Josh He has access, maybe he is choosing not to post.”

    Maybe because you hurt his feelings? 😉

  83. Josh says:

    On the eighteenth day of August in the year of our Lord two thousand and fourteen, God descended down to the First Heaven (with his free will of course) and asked Sir SunShineSD to cut his bullshit on wine.

    Without lifting his head Sir SunShineSD responded, “shouldn’t you be focusing on filling up the 6th floor for me, so that I don’t have to engage in the wine snobbery to impress the other floors’ girls?”

    “Now go back and get to work,” he said.

    God promptly and meticulously tucked his tail between his legs as only He Himself could, and ascended to the Seventh Heaven with the speed as only He Himself could.

  84. nicegirl says:

    That is an interesting article. I definitely falls in with the placebo effect and is amazing how our minds are influenced by suggestion. I will say that I am surprised these were wine experts that failed the test. They tend to have a trained palate for the flavor profiles in what they are drinking – but bitter is bitter no matter how you taste it. After glass 2 or 3 who cares, at that point I don’t believe you can discern the difference between good and bad – your buds are a little numbed. I have had a cheap glass of wine next to a moderately priced glass and the better wine is much smoother with a better finish.

    I would think that spirits would fall in this same test – top shelf vs it’s cheaper counter part.
    I love a good Sapphire martini and have been served other Gin when I have ordered Sapphire. I can always tell the difference. Let’s see what they say in Part II!

  85. Kms2014 says:

    For those who are interested…is funny, but often the experts cannot even tell, so there is some truth to what Josh says, actually….However, I do love my wine (:

    If someone is interested, the article is called, ‘You Are Not So Smart’: Why We Can’t Tell Good Wine From Bad, DAVID MCRANEYOCT 28 2011, 10:02 AM ET, The Atlantic.
    Read it from, ‘The Atlantic’, but had a friend tell me there was a book or something written by, David McRaney, as well as youtube videos of wine connoisseurs thinking there was no difference between their nice wines with the cheap ones.

    Here is a portion of article:

    You-Are-Not-So-Smart-199×300.jpg”The Misconception: Wine is a complicated elixir, full of subtle flavors only an expert can truly distinguish, and experienced tasters are impervious to deception.

    The Truth: Wine experts and consumers can be fooled by altering their expectations.

    You scan the aisles in the liquor store looking for a good wine. It’s a little overwhelming — all those weird bottle shapes with illustrations of castles and vineyards and kangaroos. And all those varieties? Riesling, Shiraz, Cabernet — this is serious business. You look to your left and see bottles for around $12; to your right you see bottles for $60. You think back to all the times you’ve seen people tasting wine in movies, holding it up to the light and commenting on tannins and barrels and soil quality — the most expensive wine has to be the better one, right?

    Well, you are not so smart. But, don’t fret — neither are all those connoisseurs who swish fermented grape juice around and spit it back out.

    Wine tasting is a big deal to a lot of people. It can even be a professional career. It goes back thousands of years, but the modern version with all the terminology like notes, tears, integration, and connectedness goes back a few hundred. Wine tasters will mention all sorts of things they can taste in a fine wine as if they were a human spectrograph with the ability to sense the molecular makeup of their beverage. Research shows, however, this perception can be hijacked, fooled, and might just be completely wrong.

    In 2001, Frederic Brochet conducted two experiments at the University of Bordeaux.

    In one experiment, he got 54 oenology (the study of wine tasting and wine making) undergraduates together and had them taste one glass of red wine and one glass of white wine. He had them describe each wine in as much detail as their expertise would allow. What he didn’t tell them was both were the same wine. He just dyed the white one red. In the other experiment, he asked the experts to rate two different bottles of red wine. One was very expensive, the other was cheap. Again, he tricked them. This time he had put the cheap wine in both bottles. So what were the results?

    The tasters in the first experiment, the one with the dyed wine, described the sorts of berries and grapes and tannins they could detect in the red wine just as if it really was red. Every single one, all 54, could not tell it was white. In the second experiment, the one with the switched labels, the subjects went on and on about the cheap wine in the expensive bottle. They called it complex and rounded. They called the same wine in the cheap bottle weak and flat.

    Another experiment at Cal-Tech pitted five bottles of wine against each other. They ranged in price from $5 to $90. Similarly, the experimenters put cheap wine in the expensive bottles — but this time they put the tasters in a brain scanner. While tasting the wine, the same parts of the brain would light up in the machine every time, but with the wine the tasters thought was expensive, one particular region of the brain became more active. Another study had tasters rate cheese eaten with two different wines. One they were told was from California, the other from North Dakota. The same wine was in both bottles. The tasters rated the cheese they ate with the California wine as being better quality, and they ate more of it.”

  86. Josh says:

    I am sure that those who pay 20% annual premium on aged wine are no dummies.

    One of these days I am going to purchase a 2 year-old vrrsion and a 20 year-old version of the same wine and taste them Gary Vanerchuck style.

    At the time I must have a wine-loving SB to comsume most of the wines and/or to take the bottles home with her.

    Only then I will know what the brouhaha about aged wine is all about.

  87. nicegirl says:

    “Most of them ordered Zinfandel or Pinot Grigio”

    I was strictly a White Zin drinker until I met a man that loved wine. He had an amazing collection of beautiful wines that he would keep until they were at their best to drink. He taught me quite a bit about good wines and gave me the opportunity to try different things. I was amazed at how good a nice bottle of wine really could taste. I had always thought that “real” wine was awful but that was because I did not know what I should be ordering – I was having a $5 glass of house wine… never a good choice. He was also the one that taught me how to properly hold a wine glass… ;o) I think he enjoyed sharing something that he truly enjoyed with someone that appreciated it.

  88. Josh says:

    *buddy bloggers

  89. Josh says:

    I think Jacob and flyR should post together as biddy bloggers. flyR posts “sensibler” posts as secomd fiddle to Jacob.

    After providing useful info a how to get your wine cheap, flyR will turn around and advise how to over-pay for SBs. 😉

  90. Jacob says:

    Well, I don’t want to sound like a man whore. The dozen+ was referring to dinner dates, not sex with that many women in a month and half. LOL. I just find interviews over dinner more efficient than hours of texting.

  91. flyR says:

    @Jacob “dozen dates with different women this month”

    Impressive

    In addition to the appreciation in wine over time there’s the ability to buy at substantial discounts through wine clubs (winery specific) and special events, not have to worry if a modest restaurant has the wine you want. There’s also an advantage in buying directly in that the wine has not been trucked around the country and left in hot warehouses.

  92. Jacob says:

    Of course, Zinf and Pinot are not suitable for decade long storage. I don’t find the need to teach people what good expensive wines are on first dates, especially since I’d be paying at restaurant 3x-5x marked up prices. When the dozen+ number is whittled down to much smaller numbers for 2nd and later dates, and then the finalist gets to meet my wine collection when sustained arrangement starts, she can learn the in’s and out’s of various good wines that age well.

  93. Jacob says:

    More than a dozen restaurant dinner dates with different ones in the past month and half alone. Most of them ordered Zinfandel or Pinot Grigio, both are reasonably sweet. Nobody ordered any ice wines, which would be even more sweet.

    Check out the price difference between 10-20yr old wine vs. 2-3yo bottles from the same winery, and you will realize that letting them sit in a naturally 55F basement produces something like 20% per year in value appreciation! A $20-30 bottle of wine can rise to $200-300 after 10-20 years. No income tax or excise/property tax to pay on that either. I’d be stocking them even if there were no girls.

  94. Josh says:

    @Jacob,

    “Most girls in their early 20′s prefer sweet wines.”

    How many “girls in their early 20’s” have you really dated Jacob? I am confident that you have dated at least 2. 😉

  95. Josh says:

    So far I have only dated one 20-something who liked sweet wine. The rest liked red tarty wines.

    I did date one barely 21 who was into whiskey sour. 😉

  96. Josh says:

    You have got to be that committed to alcohol to get a wine cellar going. I am not. To me alcohol is something I consume whenever I feel like it. I let the liquor stores do the storing. 😉

  97. Jacob says:

    Not all wines are tart. Most girls in their early 20’s prefer sweet wines. Certainly a lot sweeter than beers.

    As for being expensive, yes wines at restaurants are expensive for what they give you . . . but that’s just paying for the rent on the table and retail space like the rest of the dinner, plus the storage cost (including likely high loss rate to the owner). That makes stocking wines at home in the wine cellar all the more favorable.

  98. Josh says:

    I never order these bottles of wine. My dates can order glasses of wine all they want but I ain’t sharing no tarty female drink to ruin my taste bud. I am fine with water or ice tea or maybe light tasting beer.

  99. Josh says:

    For me, wine is a tarty female drink which they enjoy when a man is paying for it.

    I amuse myself when servers bring these artificially expensive bottles of wine and serve them first (of course) to clueless women to taste.

    They have no fucking clue what they’re tasting. The look on their faces when they give their nod of approval to the server is simply PRICELESS.

    I am sure that when the server goes back to the kitchen he high fives his colleagues with a burst of laughter.

  100. Josh says:

    @flyR

    “Now we have the foking energy gestapo roaming the blog”

    Dumb.

    “The energy required to run the cellar for 10 years would fly AF-1 about 5 inches .”

    Dumber.

  101. Jacob says:

    Yes, some of the 20-25 years old wines are the best 😉

  102. nicegirl says:

    All this Boones farm talk has made me thirsty – I am off to get a Latte and enjoy this beautiful weather we are having. Have a great night ladies and gentleman ;o)

  103. nicegirl says:

    @Kms – I live in NY and only beer is sold in grocery stores (maybe wine coolers too but I am not sure), Soooo I suppose I will need to go to my local liquor store and see if they have it. I love that carbonated water and sugar are the top two ingredients LOL. I will let you know and also what inflation has done to this “wine” over the years.

    Yes, What glass would you put Boones in… Tumbler with ice perhaps ;o) I like that being part of series II.

  104. Josh says:

    It’s nice to see apple wine as one of the ingredients. 😉

  105. Kms2014 says:

    Boones farm Apple Wine Blue Hawaiian(bright blue wine, mind you).

    Ingredients

    Carbonated Water, Dextrose, Fructose, Natural and BATF Natural Flavors, Apple Wine, Less than 1% of: Potassium Citrate, Potassium Sorbate to Protect Flavor, Sorbitol, Gum Acacia, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Sucrose Acetate Isobutyrate, Sulfiting Agents, F

    Directions:

    Serve very cold.”

    Should say “serve with lots of ice…lots and lots of ice”. As far as what glass to serve in? Perhaps, in part II of this series? 😉

  106. Kms2014 says:

    Nicegirl, if you are in the States, then Kroger still sells it, apparently(just looked, hehe).

  107. SouthernSB says:

    Oh, I know what you mean. We have a bottle of seven yr. old Veuve Clicqot that we have been saving to drink when my daughter graduated from college. She’s graduated and we were suppose to have a party, but the girl has three jobs, a fiance’, and a baby, so she never has time. Not only that, I’m afraid that the champagne has turned to mildly expensive vinegar by now.

  108. SouthernSB says:

    @RSD-I and all of my sisters and my unofficially adopted cousin have had permission to drink according to whatever was the law of the country or state we were living in at the time. We were a gaggle of Army brats, so whatever was the law on the economy was the law in our house (I think it was the law on base too, but that was back in the 70’s when things were different) and not one of us became a lush and we all know our limits.

  109. nicegirl says:

    Now I wish I had tried it when it was fresh! I did not carry it on the plane it was in my checked luggage and to my relief it made the trip unbroken.

  110. SouthernSB says:

    Apfelwein I remember that! Here’s the thing you don’t really drink it, you inhale it…LOL!! It’s like Yager but with a apple aftertaste. I left Germany in 1980, I had just turned 16 years old. By now your bottle of Apflewein has probably concentrated down to pure rocket fuel. I’m surprised that they let you on the plane with it, post 9/11 and all.

  111. nicegirl says:

    @RSD – that is your choice of course but there is a difference between enjoying a drink and “drinking”

  112. RSD says:

    This blog subject is of no interest to me. I keep all meets strictly substance-free. I never drink myself and I am very clear that meets will be alcohol free. I don’t need any substance to enhance my enjoyment of my time with an SB. And I don’t need someone claiming I took advantage of her because she drank too much.

  113. nicegirl says:

    @SB

    I was in Germany about 10 years ago and brought back a bottle of Apfelwein… Do you suppose it is any good? I still have it! My guess is no :o)

  114. SouthernSB says:

    It could be worse. We could be talking about MD2020, something I remember from Jr. High in Germany that I never drank. I was myself acting like I was sophisticated at 15 while drinking Liebfraumilch.

  115. nicegirl says:

    I remember Boones Farm too! That and peach Schnapps (I wonder what would be the proper glassware for Peach Schnapps on the rocks) LOL and yes, that was my first intro to wine and it took years to enjoy a good red. Kms, We should go to our local liquor stores and see if we can find it. It might be regional… not sure though.

  116. nicegirl says:

    @Southern
    “After a certain amount of carats even a diamond looks gaudy and tacky, (ie: any Kardashian)and you have to store it in a vault for fear of getting robbed. Who in their right mind would want a diamond so big they can’t even wear it?”

    This is so true… the woman that cares about the size of diamond for resale is called a gold digger.

  117. Josh says:

    Of couse the above is a rhetorical question. 😉

  118. Josh says:

    Every time FlyR posts on the blog, the collective IQ of the blog goes down by:

    1 point?
    10 points?
    100 points?

  119. Josh says:

    Now, if you’re Liz Taylor then…

  120. Kms2014 says:

    “Josh says:
    August 17, 2014 at 1:35 pm
    When I mentioned diamonds of different sizes it was assumed that all the C’s were the same for both idiotic pieces of rocks.

    I wonder how many women buy diamond of more than one carat with their own money. ”

    Hmm, if a woman has the means, like Liz Taylor did, then am sure they buy many. She was such a pretty lady, In her younger days….I heard Burton bought her a 33 carat diamond at one point? Have seen the hope diamond…it isn’t as big as you imagine it will be….

  121. Kms2014 says:

    “flyR says:
    August 17, 2014 at 1:02 pm
    Wines and sugar would have been a better topic than wine glasses.

    Many younger drinkers are happier with sweeter wines (I can still remember the bouquet of Boones Farm)”

    @flyr, is Boones Farm still around?…I remember that from high school days, lol.

  122. Josh says:

    When I mentioned diamonds of different sizes it was assumed that all the C’s were the same for both idiotic pieces of rocks.

    I wonder how many women buy diamond of more than one carat with their own money. 😉

  123. Kms2014 says:

    With that being said, never had cared too much for diamonds(will take them, of course, hehe)….but love gemstones, like emeralds and sapphires the best (: They look even prettier with little diamonds surrounding them, though….

  124. Josh says:

    As far as women and taste, if your woman tastes stronger than you like then put her on the water treatment.

    That is, she washes herself several times a day with plain water. With mild soap if she prefers.

    The strong smell will go away after a few weeks. No pharmaceutical products required.

    Experiment and report. 😉

  125. Kms2014 says:

    But like Southern said, Josh, you either tell people it is fake, or have it locked away only for special outings. It is quite dangerous to go around with a 5 carat weighing down your hand. A woman I used to know wore a 4 carat to the gym often, and it was so tacky looking…not to mention the larger the diamond, oftentimes, the less clarity it has…unless, it has been ‘clarity enhanced’…which, is a way to get a bigger, but cheaper diamond to look like it has less inclusions.

  126. Kms2014 says:

    Women, like a fine wine, only get better with age…hehe. Saw that on an SD’s profile a time or two. Some men’s taste vary…on wine and women 😉

  127. Josh says:

    SouthernSB

    “Who in their right mind would want a diamond so big they can’t even wear it?”.

    Those who know that 5 carats diamond fetches more money when sold than a 1 carat diamond.

  128. SouthernSB says:

    @Josh
    “I also know that many (all?) women prefer a 5 carats diamond over a 1 carat diamond.”
    After a certain amount of carats even a diamond looks gaudy and tacky, (ie: any Kardashian)and you have to store it in a vault for fear of getting robbed. Who in their right mind would want a diamond so big they can’t even wear it?

  129. flyR says:

    Wines and sugar would have been a better topic than wine glasses.

    Many younger drinkers are happier with sweeter wines (I can still remember the bouquet of Boones Farm)

  130. nicegirl says:

    That is not only super romantic but very thoughtful. Little things like that are what make someone feel very special. I hope those acts have been returned to you.

  131. flyR says:

    thanks

    I think it is also nice to have a bottle of wine that was associated with a prior fun evening. ie Sharing a bottle of what we drank on our first intimate evening on her birthday.

  132. nicegirl says:

    Triple AMEN ;o)

  133. SouthernSB says:

    @flyR-Amen and AMEN!!

  134. flyR says:

    “as long as no energy is wasted” .

    Now we have the foking energy gestapo roaming the blog

    The energy required to run the cellar for 10 years would fly AF-1 about 5 inches .

  135. SouthernSB says:

    @Nicegirl
    It is sexier to show off your wine cellar than a fridge full of micobrews to a hot new SB I would image. A beautiful bottle of wine does indeed compliment the food it is served with and many people enjoy a good wine pairing with their meal. I know I do!

    I also like the idea of aerating a bottle of wine. Nothing is better than drinking a good glass of wine after it has had time to breathe.

  136. nicegirl says:

    @FlyR

    “Having something because you enjoy it is very different from having something because you think it impresses others. Probably the best example is the army of pretty boys in Hollywood driving high performance cars. Unfortunately they are low performance drivers who buy for show and really belong in yugos or similar. When they do try to drive fast the results are predictably messy.”

    I agree!!! and I love the “Yugo” reference LOL

  137. flyR says:

    Joshie – we understand you don’t like good wine, the taste of a woman, emotional involvement with sugar. That’s fine, to each his own and that leaves more of all for those of us who seek such things. Like or dislike is neither good or bad – its personal preferences.

    Having something because you enjoy it is very different from having something because you think it impresses others. Probably the best example is the army of pretty boys in Hollywood driving high performance cars. Unfortunately they are low performance drivers who buy for show and really belong in yugos or similar. When they do try to drive fast the results are predictably messy.

  138. Josh says:

    Jacob, as long as no energy is wasted, good for you. I don’t care for wine. It’s all tarty shit to me. Tarty piss is more like it? 😉

  139. Jacob says:

    Josh, that particular part of the basement is naturally around 55F year-round as it is positioned below the depth of natural exterior frost line and not a heated part of the house. No energy is spent on maintaining temperature; the huge thermo-mass of the liquid in the bottles keep each other at the right temperature when the collection is large enough and stored densely enough.

    I agree, Nicegirl 😉

  140. Josh says:

    I also know that many (all?) women prefer a 5 carats diamond over a 1 carat diamond.

    To me it’s the same fucking overpriced stone, just bigger. 😉

  141. nicegirl says:

    @Jacob
    “When I have to allocate some room in my basement for alcohol, I’d rather stock those appreciate in value than those depreciate rapidly. A decade old bottle of wine stored properly in the 55F basement tastes better and is of much higher value than a 2yr old bottle from the same winery.”

    It is sexier to show off your wine cellar than a fridge full of micobrews to a hot new SB I would image. A beautiful bottle of wine does indeed compliment the food it is served with and many people enjoy a good wine pairing with their meal. I know I do!

  142. Josh says:

    When basic needs are met, people come up with all kind of pompous shit to tell others off. 😉

  143. Josh says:

    @Jacob,

    “A decade old bottle of wine stored properly in the 55F basement tastes better and is of much higher value than a 2yr old bottle from the same winery.”

    Now that’s a lot of wasted energy for 3,650 days to get some incremental “taste” out of an idiotically tasting product. 😉

  144. Jacob says:

    @Josh
    When I have to allocate some room in my basement for alcohol, I’d rather stock those appreciate in value than those depreciate rapidly. A decade old bottle of wine stored properly in the 55F basement tastes better and is of much higher value than a 2yr old bottle from the same winery. A decade old can of beer, well, that may not even be suitable for steaming mussels 😉

  145. Josh says:

    Or eight!

  146. Josh says:

    And I don’t give a shit if I posted 7 in a row. LOL!

  147. Josh says:

    By the way, my salad tastes exactly the same if I ate it with one fork or the other, thank you. 😉

  148. Josh says:

    Coming back to the topic of wine, I never quite understood why I would want to ruin the taste of my steak, chicken, lamb, veggies or even pizza with some idiotically, tarty tasting wine?

  149. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    “I just could never settle for less. Here is the thin line between prostitution and sugar for me.”

    The great thing about sugar is that there are many thin/fine lines to choose from. 😉

  150. Josh says:

    @yogottabebangingme

    “Are “harpies” people who play the harp? Eye heart harp music”

    The term is often used metaphorically to refer to a nasty or annoying woman. InShakespeare’s Much Ado About Nothing, Benedick spots the sharp-tongued Beatrice approaching and exclaims to the Prince, Don Pedro, that he would do an assortment of arduous tasks for him “rather than hold three words conference with this harpy!”

    Courtesy: Wikipedia

  151. Josh says:

    I don’t do multiple id’s. It would be too risky to dilute Josh.

    AND do you really believe that Josh needs such sock puppets? 😉

  152. Josh says:

    “Sir SunShineSD” is more appropriate. 😉

  153. “Josh says:
    August 16, 2014 at 9:17 pm
    “Sir Josh”

    Hahaha!”

    Hehe ;-p

  154. As a matter of fact! I think that…

    Miss Millie= Alexis=You, my love.

    Which is kinda like having a threesome with yourself. Talk about keeping it local. Who needs frequent flyer miles?

  155. Josh says:

    “Sir Josh”

    Hahaha!

  156. “Mystery solved:

    MissMillie = yougottabelickingme. ”

    No no, really! Don’t sabotage this true potential. I mean, I know that you’re set against dating blog girls, but this one might be the one. Besides, please give me more credit than to think Id need to create a fictional character to syphon your love and money, and big, juicy, long and girthy ego.

    Give the girl a chance.

    Miss Millie…

    Please share with Sir Josh, a little more about yourself and admiration of him.

    You, my lady, have everyone’s full attention.

  157. ” Who are the denizens of the basement, sub-basement and sub-sub-basement? respectively 7th, 8th and 9th levels of Hell counting down from the Garden level? Wives refusing sex? harpies? and control freaks that specialize in picking up thugs and projects?”

    Are “harpies” people who play the harp? Eye heart harp music.

  158. Josh says:

    Mystery solved:

    MissMillie = yougottabelickingme. 😉

  159. No kidding.

    You might just have yourself a true admirer, sweets.

  160. Josh says:

    @MissMillie,

    Hmmm…now come clean and tell me that you are kidding, right? 😉

  161. Jacob says:

    LOL. 6 levels under the garden, that sounds like something coming out of Dante’s book instead. Is that what “the Wife Store” really is? Hell? Who are the denizens of the basement, sub-basement and sub-sub-basement? respectively 7th, 8th and 9th levels of Hell counting down from the Garden level? Wives refusing sex? harpies? and control freaks that specialize in picking up thugs and projects?

  162. MissMillie says:

    Just want to say-
    Josh, I read nearly all your posts, on various topics and based on the opinions and knowledge I’m reading, those two things all by themselves, well, you have my complete attention dear sir…xo

  163. Please, Blog Gods…can the next topic be titled “On the nth day, God said, ‘Let there be light,’ and along came Sunshine”?

  164. And on the 7th floor was Sunshine’s very own garden where from his very own rib, he created woman…

  165. Josh says:

    Jacob

    Your informatin is incorrect. 6th floor was indeed visited by SunShineSD to seek the REAL Ms. Universe because he kept rejecting all women on all of the floor.

    On the 6th floor God made an appearance and bowed to SunShineSD and apologized that He was simply not able to meet SunShineSD’s expectations.

    Then SunShineSD positioned himself on the throne and God gave him a foot massage. 😉

  166. “Kms2014 says:
    August 16, 2014 at 5:50 pm
    @ygbkm…is that post you pasted part of the cruel punishment? Because the men must read it, too…Hehe”

    Torturous indeed. My eyes are bleeding.

  167. Jacob says:

    Because cost of reproduction is high for women. Women are genetically programmed to constantly looking for upgrade. Here is joke reflecting this:

    ============
    A brand new store has just opened in New York City that sells Husbands.
    When women go to choose a husband, they have to follow the instructions at the entrance:

    You may visit this store ONLY ONCE! There are 6 floors and the value of
    the products increase as you ascend the flights. You may choose any item
    from a particular floor, or may choose to go up to the next floor, but you
    CANNOT go back down except to exit the building.

    So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband.
    The 1st floor sign on the door reads:
    Floor 1: These men have jobs.
    The 2nd floor sign reads:
    Floor 2: These men have Jobs and Love Kids.
    The 3rd floor sign reads:
    Floor 3: These men have Jobs, Love Kids and are extremely good looking.
    “Wow,” she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.
    She goes to the 4th floor and the sign reads:
    Floor 4: These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and help with Housework.
    “Oh, mercy me!” she exclaims, “I can hardly stand it!”
    Still, she goes to the 5th floor and sign reads:
    Floor 5: These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Gorgeous, help with Housework and Have a Strong Romantic Streak.

    She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the 6th floor and the sign reads:
    Floor 6: You are visitor 31,456,012 to this floor.
    There are no men on this floor.
    This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please.
    Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.

    To avoid gender bias charges, the store’s owner opens a New Wives store just across the street.
    The 1st first floor has wives that love sex.
    The 2nd floor has wives that love sex and have money.
    The 3rd,4th, 5th and 6th floors have never been visited.

  168. Kms2014 says:

    @ygbkm…is that post you pasted part of the cruel punishment? Because the men must read it, too…Hehe 😉

  169. “Jacob says:
    August 16, 2014 at 12:09 pm
    @RSD

    Women are not evolved to live up to obligations. That’s why men had to invent patriarchy and eternal damnation to keep female hypergamy games in line; apparently, not even ostracizing in the current life was not enough to keep women from taking what she already has for granted then keep looking for / demanding more (often much to the detriment of the individual woman herself, but it’s the genes exploiting the woman and her surrounding society, so no point blaming the woman either). For thousands of years, societies had to either invent very cruel punishment or invent stories of cruel punishment in after-life to put a lid on the games that hurt both men and women but the woman is compelled to exercise due to genes, just like men are compelled to seek out women and have sex for no rational reason. LOL.”

    Why, God? WHY?! Whyyyyyyyhyhyhyhyhyhyyyyyyyy?!?!?!?!

  170. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “After I dumped them they kept texting me that they needed money for “food”.”

    It’s sad, but much “preferred” to those who text such messages before you have even met them.

  171. Josh says:

    I can’t talk about others but my cardinal rule of sugar dating is that rooming is out of the realm of the arrangement, especially if the property belongs to me.

  172. Jacob says:

    Hahaha, $2/mo to stay yours, she is definitely not for the money all right. The girl is genuinely in love with you. Or at least infatuated with you. Ironic isn’t it, if you stop shuffling through the unreliable local unworthies, she might just think less of you as a man and sabotage your relationship. LOL.

  173. Jacob says:

    @Elaine
    Women in their early 20’s can have many orbiters nowadays. The whole thing can be quite chaotic. Sometimes she may just be having a more exciting offer from a different orbiter for a weekend day that the unlucky SD has prepaid. If the SD is not offering drugs and has already prepaid, the new offer from the local drug dealer for the same afternoon is just that more exciting. Especially if she can get away with it and keep the prepayment from the SD. It’s not that she prefers sex with the drug dealer to sex with the SD, just prefer drugs over everything else when starvation is not a concern. Very short time horizon thinking. Really sad, yes, but for a different reason.

  174. RSD says:

    Aw Elaine, what you said is very heartening. Yes, many SBs do genuinely like and care about their SDs without being in love with them; a nice friends-with-benefits kind of arrangement. In my experience, quite commonly there is excitement and anticipation early on, but after a few months, the excitement wears off, a sense of financial and relationship security sets in, and that’s when cancellations rise. Some SBs don’t cancel because they’re genuinely emotionally attached to the SD and seeing him can be the highlight of their life. Other SBs don’t cancel, not because of attachment, but because they’re worried the SD will wander off with another SB. The latter are rather realistic, at least when it comes to dealing with me.

  175. RSD says:

    Well, Josh and Jacob, things with her were perfectly fine for two and a half years, but then she moved into my “secret” apartment where she felt secure, realizing I didn’t plan on dumping her till the end of her four years of school. And then everything changed. Yes, she still spent a lot of time with me, mostly because she genuinely loved me, but her sex drive disappeared, and the relationship degenerated into an effective marriage with spiraling financial costs and diminishing returns in bed. It was really disheartening to see that happen, because if I had hopes for love and happily-ever-after with anyone, it was completely dashed. The last year together was spent fighting constantly, and I had multiple break-up attempts which she was consistently able to foil. At the end, she had to move far away, as required by her further education. Technically, she is still my SB–she wants to remain so–but since I felt jipped last year, we have a token arrangement where I give her $2/month and she can still feel mine. I did go visit her for her birthday recently, and I might see her a few times through the year during various vacations. But I truly hope she finds a nice man and settles down, because there is no future for any woman with me. That having been said, I am close with her and we text every day and talk frequently, perhaps because we both feel lonely in this world and both know that we genuinely care about each other.

  176. Elaine says:

    Sugarstories like RSDs, about SBs cancelling all the time make me feel kinda sad….

    Sad for the SB that is selling her body, and consideres meeting her SD as an unpleasant task.
    And sad for the SD, being intimate with someone who wished she was somewhere else.

    Call me old fashioned, but I will never understand how people, both SBs and SDs, can enjoy this kind of sugar.

    Due to his busy schedule I couldn’t meet with SD last month, so now we are going to meet next week, and I am much looking forward, and even realized myself I have missed him.

    And no, it is not a love relationship, it is an arrangement.
    And no, it is not p4p, thus money, that makes me want to meet.
    In fact, it was me proposing this extra opportunity to meet and it was a happy surprise for him.
    I just genuinely like him and enjoy his company, we have fun and I find him very attractive, so why on earth should I ever want to avoid meetings or cancel them!?

    I just could never settle for less.
    Here is the thin line between prostitution and sugar for me.

  177. Jacob says:

    Agree with Josh there, RSD, a woman like that, never missing an appointment for 4 yrs, even walking a mile in flood and freezing rain to make a date, that is someone worthy of a long term contract. A co-parenting contract or moving to different country for a marriage, or shield away assets for two years in off shore locations before marrying her so the perverse incentive for her to divorce you can be limited. Heck, for someone like that, I might even be willing to risk going through a divorce and post – divorce support arrangement again like I did last time in hopes of running out the clock on
    life.

  178. Jacob says:

    Sugar relationship doesn’t have to be short. Granted, with a lot of assets on the line does make it harder for the man to engage in “spanking” and other irrational behavior to counteract irrational behavior from the other side. Perhaps that’s why thugs with nothing to lose are sexually appealing to young women before the biological clock starts ticking. OTOH, it is easier to maintain proper power balance in a sugar
    relationship than in a marriage due to the lack of perverse incentive completely disarming the maN

  179. Josh says:

    @Kirsten

    You need to bring FB back. 😉

  180. Josh says:

    @flyR you need to go drink what you were dribking earlier. You’re lapsing back to dumb and dumber posts. 😉

  181. flyR says:

    I don’t think the “every woman” really fits the population.

  182. Josh says:

    No RSD. It’s not necessarily malicious. It is what it is. Many of them would not do it if they could help it to keep their lives intact. 😉

  183. RSD says:

    @Josh, “Unless you are able to “spank” her physically or verbally”

    Isn’t it just easier to get another SB than to stay and fight for what I feel entitled to in the “relationship”? Granted, the next SB will probably last just a few weeks before pulling the same shananigans, but that’s why most sugar is short and bittersweet. But eventually you run into the gems who can make it last.

  184. RSD says:

    I wonder if they sabotage it to create drama so they feel wanted/needed.

  185. Josh says:

    *ABLE to “spank”…

  186. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “Is that wrong?”

    Unless you are unable to “spank” her physically (not recommended) or verbally, she would not take you seriously. Either you’re not “man enough” (it will get to it sooner or later) or in this very case “passive agressive” (she’s being nice to you to have used a psychological term). 😉

  187. Josh says:

    It’s interesting to read about relationship sabotage in various contexts.

  188. RSD says:

    Well, oft-canceling SB thinks I’m “passive-aggressive” for not saying anything earlier and to her face (I texted her my complaints about the constant cancellations). But I really don’t want the one hour a week (or every two or three weeks) to be spent arguing. Is that wrong?

  189. RSD says:

    @ Jacob, “be cordial and give them enough ropes to hang themselves.”

    My expression for this event is that by being nice, I give them a shovel to dig their own graves. All I have to do is stand back and watch the girl dig. Sadly, every single woman does it if she thinks she can get away with it. And oddly, they don’t see that tons of women before them did the exact same thing to me and ended up dumped. They all think they’re somehow different.

  190. Josh says:

    @RSD

    @Josh, marriage would ruin it even with her.”

    You maybe right. But when people give examples of successful marriages, you will find such women in those examples.

  191. RSD says:

    @Josh, “Before anyone goes berserk, these are the marriage material women who are the exception rather than the rule.”

    Well, they’re like that when they’re courting you. Once you’re married and have two kids with her, no woman will be like that.

  192. Jacob says:

    @RSD

    Women are not evolved to live up to obligations. That’s why men had to invent patriarchy and eternal damnation to keep female hypergamy games in line; apparently, not even ostracizing in the current life was not enough to keep women from taking what she already has for granted then keep looking for / demanding more (often much to the detriment of the individual woman herself, but it’s the genes exploiting the woman and her surrounding society, so no point blaming the woman either). For thousands of years, societies had to either invent very cruel punishment or invent stories of cruel punishment in after-life to put a lid on the games that hurt both men and women but the woman is compelled to exercise due to genes, just like men are compelled to seek out women and have sex for no rational reason. LOL.

    Whatever you have lend/given a woman should be considered a sunken cost in the business parlance. Your prepayment for no-show should be considered a personal loan without collateral to a dead-beat with sub-500 credit score. Taking some time out away from her and letting her starve for a few months is the only way you can get back at her for her betrayal of your trust. If you want to restart an arrangement with her, you have to give her a new slate without previous debts. It’s just like the bankruptcy protection process. There is no point condemning her into debt slavery (unless she wants to earn your trust back); it’s your decision whether to grant her a new credit facility after time-out. Don’t make her problem into your problem.

  193. Josh says:

    “WOW! For whatever it is worth, you don’t sugar arrange with such woman. You marry her. ;)”

    Before anyone goes berserk, these are the marriage material women who are the exception rather than the rule. 😉

  194. Josh says:

    “Maybe this works for loser guys with no life,”

    Unfortunately most women’s magazines coach women to find loser men.

  195. RSD says:

    I’ve heard SBs say that women’s magazines recommend making guys wait for a date (i.e. be late) or cancelling on them, because it makes them miss the girl and aggravates them and makes them think about the girl more. Maybe this works for loser guys with no life, but as for me, if I’m sitting there waiting for someone to show up thirty minutes late, the only thought going through my mind is, “I should dump her and find someone who can be on time.”

  196. Josh says:

    “she parked her car somewhere and walked two miles in floods and torrential downpours to see me. She was twenty minutes late and soaked through completely in cold rainwater.”

    WOW! For whatever it is worth, you don’t sugar arrange with such woman. You marry her. 😉

  197. RSD says:

    @Josh and flyR, I’d normally be happy to eat it up as a cost of doing sugar, but I’m kinda indifferent towards losing her, so I have no particular impulse to be very generous.

    My one SB who lasted four years was so good about showing up, rain or shine, come hell or high water (literally). One time the city was flooded and her car got washed off the road by flood waters. She didn’t have her cell phone to reach me to pick her up in my SUV, so she parked her car somewhere and walked two miles in floods and torrential downpours to see me. She was twenty minutes late and soaked through completely in cold rainwater. But she made it last four years with me, which is no easy task.

  198. RSD says:

    Sweetnsensual says: “he gives me sugar without much in return other than my company and lots of kisses. We’ve been out together over 6 times now.”

    I’ve been there several times, especially in the old days (i.e. 5 years ago), meeting SBs time and again without wanting sex. Usually it was because I’d find them entertaining, fun and attractive but I’d see something risky about them and didn’t want to have sex (e.g. I’d worry she’s a pro, on drugs, into high risk crap, etc).

    I think if that is the situation, the only cure is more trust and transparency otherwise he will move on. Or perhaps he’s totally impotent and even Viagra won’t help him. But in my experience, without sex, sugar never lasts.

  199. flyR says:

    RSD She’s not seeing your “twice for free” she’s making up for her absence. You should be disappointed that she did not suggest the makeup sessions. It is a huge red flag and perhaps one of he reasons she ended up in a desperate situation.

  200. flyR says:

    RSD General rule – it’s better to be helping an SB take a step up from a good place to a great place than to drag them out of the gutter. (I know it sounds harsh) Of course there are exceptions.

    A compromise position is to go makeup paid makeup paid and then proceed either per session or paid after proving

    RULE 1 – Business, streets, racing , sex Don’t reward bad behavior while expecting change for the better

  201. Josh says:

    @RSD,

    Sorry my friend. You must eat that money as the cost of doing sugar. The other possibility is to catch up, before switching to P4P.

  202. RSD says:

    Thank you Elaine for your suggestion. But let’s say at the end of this month SB is two meets behind due to cancellations and I want to switch to P4P. Does she see me twice for free next month and then resume payments? Most SBs would go nuts and I’d hear endless sob stories of how broke they are and how much money they need right this moment.

  203. Josh says:

    Sensible post from FlyR??????????

    I guess FlyR is drinking what Jacob has been drinking today. 😉

  204. SouthernSB says:

    flyR-LOL

  205. flyR says:

    I think Elaine has the perfect solution.

    @ southern ” u and the 50 yr. old; obviously angry woman who can’t accept the fact that she isn’t 21 any more.”” There are many very sexy 50 yo women. However, nothing depletes a woman’s attractiveness faster than anger (OK meth , crack and heroin)

  206. Elaine says:

    @ RSD

    “I’d recommend switching monthly allowance to per-meet as soon as 2 cancellations in 2 consecutive months, unless she makes up for both.”

    I am against P4P, but in this case I find it justified as a test.
    You will know exactly what she is up to when she DOES respect the meetings without any excuses, only when she gets paid every meeting.
    When trust is restored you could go back to every 2 weeks, and if that goes well, back to monthly.

  207. SouthernSB says:

    FlyR-Except for the issue of your taxes and 21 year old women making their own decisions, I happen to agree with both you and the 50 yr. old; obviously angry woman who can’t accept the fact that she isn’t 21 any more.

  208. RSD says:

    Josh, Jacob, nicegirl, flyr–thank you for your comments. I think everyone is in agreement here.

    Flyr, you make us proud!

  209. SouthernSB says:

    KMS-Check your mail.

  210. Jacob says:

    Ironically, you may just have made her pussy tingle more than her husband ever did in the past decade 😉

  211. Jacob says:

    LOL! Wish I were there, just to see her expression after you said that. The hamster in her must went into hyper-drive.

  212. flyR says:

    RSD – You probably do not want to entrust your tender parts to someone who is that unlucky .

    Missed meetings – Most SD’s are here because they do something valuable enough to generate the disposable income. If we were to list 10 things that kill sugar relationships cancelling for less than a real reason probably is close to the top of the list. Personal attitude is that the cancelling party has the obligation to make it right. If it’s an allowance and the SD cancels then the field is still level (assuming the date was not a trip to Paris for which she has packed). My advice to an sb on an allowance is that if she cancels she should go out of her way to make something good happen.

    There was a brief news blurb that people are happiest when they have surprises in their life. Although these relationships have a commercial aspect a little human kindness and surprise goes a long way.

    One thing that prolific writer and I agree upon is no sugar pre meet. I thought the solicitations had ceased but last night’s mail brought a tale of woe along with the question if we talked and felt comfortable would I send cash so she could leave her looser boyfriend (this was an unsolicited first note) She failed to note if the cash was for drugs or bail money for her live in boyfriend.

    MORNING RANT
    Totally unrelated – was at a business/ political event earlier this week and stuck at a table with a somewhat angry 50’s yo very liberal woman (I avoid politics in social situations, especially business related) when out of the blue she went on a rant about SA and young 21 year old “girls” with older men and how the girls were incapable of making good decisions.

    The wine made me do it ” mam what I have learned over dinner is that you expect 15 year old girls to have sex, that they MUST be provided abortion without parental notification, free birth control in college, not lectured about the consequences of teen pregnancy, at 18 mature enough to be given the right to vote on how much money the government takes from me and where they send young men to die; but you don’t think a 21 year old college student can make an intelligent decision about her sex partner.”

    Her husband tried to hid his smile but I got the distinct feeling he’s out there looking for a nice SB.

  213. Jacob says:

    @RSD
    “Most overestimate my attachment at some point, only to be dumped. They somehow take my niceness (I’m nice to everyone) as a sign of weakness or attachment.”

    We in the higher positions in the business world understand that if you really hate someone’s guts, be cordial and give them enough ropes to hang themselves; treat everyone nicely until the moment you give them the pink slips and then have security escort them from the building, so that the fired don’t get a chance to steal business secrets from you. Young women in their 20’s, heck even late 20’s or 30’s or any age never having sat in the executive suite, don’t understand that.

    There is also the reptilian part of her brain that provides instincts that were evolved before civilization. The cavemen did not have hired security or even law, or assets to be sued in a law suit, so the loud-mouth bad-ass not caring about offending people or getting sued had evolutionary advantages back then instead of being tossed into jails. Sex and sexual attraction have many instinctive and primal components. At some point, you need to court her reptilian brain, not just courting her frontal lobe telling her what’s good for her. Unfortunately, sometimes we men in leadership positions have to be assholes for a while just to keep our women content and feel secure, so they don’t play their hypergamy game of taking your resources for granted and then looking for dangerous assholes to appease their own reptilian brains.

  214. nicegirl says:

    @RSD – I am speaking from the SB side (so it many not count to you). I would say if someone cancelled 4 times out of 9 meetings it is a deal breaker. You clearly are not getting what you are seeking. It seems that the continual cancellations would create some tension during the times that you do actually meet. She should at the very least offer an alternate time and day for the cancellation.

    “Change the allowance schedule. That is, she gets 1/4th of the allowance every time she meets. That WILL significantly cut down on cancellations.” I do agree that this would be a better way to offer the allowance. Pay a portion at a time instead of the entire amount up front.

  215. Josh says:

    “I’d rather pay an allowance and have it work.”

    Alas! That’s EXACTLY what the last guy who tied the knot in a church, synagogue, temple or city hall was thinking too. :(

  216. RSD says:

    Thank you Jacob and Josh for the advice.

    I’m not at all emotionally attached to her. Yes, she’s hot, but she’s easy to replace in my life, as are all SBs. Most overestimate my attachment at some point, only to be dumped. They somehow take my niceness (I’m nice to everyone) as a sign of weakness or attachment.

    I suspect this particular SB cancels due to a combination of playing games, not caring, having other men/SDs, family drama, etc. But none of that should be my problem.

    In my experience with unreliable SBs, paying them per-meet doesn’t solve the problem; they still keep canceling and rescheduling. Mostly it is a symptom of lack of discipline and being stuck in middle-school-type games, as opposed to lack of interest or need or having multiple SDs.

    As for multiple SDs, years ago I worried that SBs on this site would be juggling multiple SDs and expose me to risk of disease, drama, etc. Over time, I realized it’s hard enough for them to find one SD, never mind multiple, so I stopped worrying about it. Plus, condom + Guardasil + vasectomy provide pretty good protection against issues that can arise from an SB having multiple SDs. However, Jacob is correct, a pro can juggle multiple clients. However, the pros tend to keep their SDs happy, since they are their best/most reliable customers, and they do tend to keep appointments pretty regularly.

    As to what I will do in this case, I already texted her about the issue and told her that I will be looking for someone who can offer a more steady and reliable arrangement. In the meanwhile, I have a SB I met once almost a year ago who left town who is returning and expresses interest in an arrangement, so that may be a real possibility. Downside to her is that she has a super busy schedule for real (school plus two jobs), so I worry about her ability to stick to a schedule over a semester or two. But on the plus side, she is very intelligent and accomplished, and that counts for a lot for me. I will find it hard to continue things with current SB because I hate to constantly have to keep count of meets and money and crap, and demanding that we meet a certain number of times, etc; I’d rather pay an allowance and have it work.

  217. Jacob says:

    @Josh
    Just water, holy water for clarity 😉

    That 22yo motorcycle specialist with a graduate degree sounds interesting. Check her tattoos for possible gang affiliation. Be mindful that her world is likely to have extremely lopsided male-to-female ratio. You probably don’t want to be bankrolling her riding cock carousel on a bunch of losers . . . the proverbial joke about marrying a whore that fucks you like a prude would not be pleasant. LOL. But her last sentence shows potentials; perhaps she is just coy because her photo is online and might be visible to her friends, in which case she is actually a girl with a decent head screwed on her shoulders. Give her a try, but don’t expect too much from the get-go.

  218. Josh says:

    Hmmm, Jacob is on a roll…what have you been drinking instead of coffee this morning?

  219. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    “She sounds like an interesting lady,”

    Indeed.

    “Josh…Hope you emailed her (:”

    Maybe, maybe not. The following is motivation spoiler. :(

    “Nothing physical. Let’s just meet and have a good time! Maybe later things can change ;)”

  220. Jacob says:

    *need to have coffee; too many typos. LOL

    @RSD
    Because of the likely non-reciprocated emotional attachment, it is the man’s responsibility to decide whether the woman is worth the devotion of his time and resources that can be easily spent on a different woman. Woman controls sex; Man controls relationship.

  221. Josh says:

    “Men are the real romantics in this world when it comes to relationships; women are often mercenaries…”

    Hmmm interesting. 😉

  222. Jacob says:

    In case anyone of the fairer sex is offended by the last sentence, here’s another way of looking at it: a typical woman tend to treat a relationship with a man more replaceable than vice versa. It is a biologically driven imperative: the man leaves his seat on the Titanic life boat for his wife and children, whereas the woman would need to leave his husband behind and find a replacement as quickly as possible after hitting the shore, in order to keep the children alive. Men suffer from oneitis towards their mates much more than women do; women may suffer from oneitis towards their children. Love and devotion is often a one-way street: parents love children and would lay down their lives for the latter, but the opposite direction children willing to lay down their lives for the parents would be odd; Likewise for a man towards the woman of his love, and woman towards her child.

  223. Josh says:

    * and when she has purchased a more reliable car using your money.

  224. Josh says:

    @RSD

    Change the allowance schedule. That is, she gets 1/4th of the allowance every time she meets. That WILL significantly cut down on cancellations.

    Or you can try to survive through the excuses when all the relatives who usually die have died and all the vacations are taken and you have a good knowledge of the birthdays of all the significant people in her life. 😉

  225. RSD says:

    So if you were meeting with someone once a week, how many cancellations would it take for you to end things? Let’s say over a 9 week period, aunt “dies” one day, father’s “birthday” falls on another, “car breaks down” yet another day, and “cruise vacation” with a “friend” falls on the following week. To be fair, one of these four cancellations she made up on another day. Also, to be more specific, she gets a monthly allowance for four meets per month. Just want to see people’s opinions as to how they would handle the situation.

  226. Jacob says:

    @sweetsensual

    Another reason could be the gentleman is still married and prefers to observe the letters of his marital vow; kissing is not sex or adultery. One former POTUS even pushed the line just beyond oral sex. For all we know, the “generous gentleman” could be committing arousing but not-sex experience with you to his memory to be relived while having obligatory sex with his wife to keep her content. What you have there is unusual, but don’t worry about whether it is “normal.” So long as both of you enjoy what you get out of it, who cares about “normal.” “Normal” is over rated 😉 OTOH, if you are not satisfied with merely a lot of kisses, you can give signals inviting him to do more, or even trading him in for someone who’d be more aggressive. Don’t worry about what will happen to him; plenty other SB’s will gladly take up his offer.

  227. Kms2014 says:

    “Josh says:
    August 15, 2014 at 7:34 pm
    From a 22 year-old graduate degree holder.

    “I am a motorcycle technician. Harley and honda certified. I race motocross.”

    She sounds like an interesting lady, Josh…Hope you emailed her (:

  228. Elaine says:

    Hey Josh, that would be a great topic!

    Funny or interesting parts of profiles!
    Of course WITHOUT any names or profilenumbers or other things that would lead to the actual profile.
    Only if it is a SB or SD.

    Dont know if that is allowed privacy wise. But it could be interesting, AND funny at the same time.

    Remember we once had a topic about sugar “bloopers” (dont know a better name at the moment but hope you know what I mean) and it was hilarious AND interesting!

    C’mon, let’s make this blog raise a smile at our faces every now and then!
    I am done with non topics, fighting and namecalling!

  229. flyR says:

    @sweet – he might be waiting for you to take things into your own hands out of awkwardness and perhaps guilt over your age.

  230. Josh says:

    @Sweetnsensual

    It’s not normal. Enjoy while it lasts.

  231. Sweetnsensual says:

    Hi all, I’m pretty new to the sugar world but I’ve quickly found a generous gentleman. It’s strange though that he gives me sugar without much in return other than my company and lots of kisses. We’ve been out together over 6 times now. It isn’t what I expected. Is this normal?

  232. Josh says:

    From a 22 year-old graduate degree holder.

    “I am a motorcycle technician. Harley and honda certified. I race motocross.”

  233. Josh says:

    From a 39 year-old married SB.

    “One more thing, my husband does know I am on this site. He is willing to allow you my time. If you are not willing to respect him and meet him after we have determined we would like to start a relationship, then do not bother to contact me.”

  234. Josh says:

    I think that I have a decent idea about part two.

    Erase “part 1” from the title of this blog and call the day. 😉

  235. “flyR says:
    August 15, 2014 at 5:49 pm
    Hopefully Part II of the topic will be on the proper temperature for serving your SB.”

    Hot enough to eat without burning your mouth.

  236. flyR says:

    Hopefully Part II of the topic will be on the proper temperature for serving your SB.

  237. Jacob says:

    There is no “superior” “multi-city” or “diatribe” in the agenda. Different people have different interests. I only address the issue when asked. If the content is not to your liking, please move along to the next post, just like I would do when reading many comments that are of no interest to me. Different people have different interests in the sugar bow, which should be inclusive for all of us.

  238. Jacob says:

    @Josh,
    Thanks for the suggestion, but I really have no desire for female pen pals across long distance. Did that in my teens, may do that again in my 60+, but not right now. Part of the appeal of SA is not having to put up with hour-long texting sessions before sending out a dinner invitation with nearly-100% chance of accepted when dealing with women more than a decade and half younger. I can get honest answers on all aspects of her life much more quickly when talking face to face; why waste time texting when I can get to her town within a 15min to half hour drive and meet her for dinner. No need to ascertain the vintage of photo either when the person can be sitting across the table shortly.

    @flyR
    Yes, as I mentioned before, social acceptance of sugaring is about where online dating was a decade and half ago.

  239. Kms2014 says:

    @southern, exactly 😉 If I had to sacrifice myself and how others view me, just so they can get a break on blog, from that boring diatribe, then so be it. (: Mission accomplished, really.

    Southern, mailed you back (:

  240. SouthernSB says:

    Nooooooo…..please…..no more baby making, 20x over the child support rate talk! I’ve finally gotten to the point where I have turned into an official sexy playstation thanks to nature’s birth control and I just can’t put up with more talk of pseudo-superior offspring in multi-city utopias.

  241. “Until we find such a unicorn, it’s better to leave the blog posts to the disinterested parties, so none of us in the sugaring bowl itself feel alienated.”

    That’s an interesting approach, but I think that having experience to relate to would be ideal.

    Perhaps a “panel of our peers” of various demographics and sugar experience could be something to consider. In which case, FlyRs suggestion might serve SA well. Perhaps even a rotating guest panel of peers that changes out after some time to keep ideas fresh, and allow other members of to contribute. You could introduce or unveil the newest guest panel at a sugar affair maybe–airfare and ticket on SA, of course :).

    Or maybe your staff could take topic requests from members on an open (topics only) thread, or via email? I made a few suggestions a fewsome threads back (albeit heated suggestions). One of those suggestions was to write about thrifty or practical shopping, so that ladies can look nice for themselves and potentials without spending ridiculous amounts of money. At first glance, it appeared that “Beauty for Every Budget” was headed there, but ultimately disappointed.

    “> Although I think some topics about (sugar) etiquette would be helpful!

    Like what areas of etiquette? I’d be very happy to write on that topic!

    Sean”

    Elaine’s comments echo much of my thoughts regarding sugar etiquette. Further, perhaps writing about how to appeal to, prepare and adapt to the occasion. Various occasions. How to develop yourself to attract the person who appeals to you. As it pertains to the “Glassware” thread, some helpful suggestions (having decided on glassware and libations) could’ve been how to order a drink, or good go-to drinks, how not to get wasted, or how it doesn’t matter what you drink, just don’t order a Jaeger Bomb.

    As for topic space and chat space, I agree with Elaine. A chat space might be more conducive to open discussion. Or perhaps better distinguishing what should be a blog topic or a tip would help. It seems, though, that segues and deviations are natural progressions…most specifically when what everyone ultimately wants to talk about is sex and money…and, of course, the spaces in between.

  242. Kms2014 says:

    😉 Glad to see you as peacemaker, Josh…It suits your actual sweet personality better that many do not see, on blog (: xxoo…hope I do not ruin your blog rep now 😉

  243. Jacob says:

    @flyR
    Excellent idea on the double limiter.

    @Elaine
    Thanks for the suggestion. I learned in recent years that part of being wealthy should be having the time to enjoy it; otherwise, personal relationships suffer. I have actively scaled back businesses that would take up too much of my time in the past 20+ months, shifting to businesses that can auto-pilot aside from me making critical decisions at intervals. 50x national average is do-able even now but at 50x most recipients would lose all incentive having independent career pursuits; idle minds and idle hands are devil’s workshop.

    There is also the non-negligible risk of me suffering from oneitis again and marrying the next girl, in which case having my career peaking too early can be devastating in the long run, like Robin Williams and Dave Foley; frankly devastating to their children and ex-wives too when that early peak cash flow can not be sustained. So reserving some headroom for continued exponential growth is a good thing, just like many big Fortune500 corporations manage their earning growth beating estimates by a penny or two every quarter for decades, making shareholders happy quarter after quarter. Life for a man is a marathon, not a 100meter sprint. Having a little slack time is exactly what’s needed in life now between steady relationships.

  244. Josh says:

    @Kms2014,

    That settles it then I guess? 😉

  245. flyR says:

    @Southern “gtt-envy-There are always newbies reading who need the advice, and for the most part, they don’t want to go back to a blog post from two years ago to get it.”

    This is the ME generation. “Any advice given to others is like used toilet paper because I am so special I deserve unused advice.”

    In all seriousness much is the same, the eternal questions. However, I do think one change is the result of a combination of Brandon’s aggressive marketing focused on college age and the economy.

    With the same profile (some very tiny changes) I get a lot more blind contacts and favorites. I think there also some downward drift in expectations (both stated and acceptable below stated)

    Sugar dating seems to be gaining more social acceptability among younger women.

  246. Kms2014 says:

    Thanks, Southern (: Just got home, so will respond straight away….

  247. Kms2014 says:

    Josh, I appreciate the concern but I really have no desire to speak with him off blog, thanks. Am just going to ignore him.

  248. SouthernSB says:

    Hi KMS- You have mail.

  249. Josh says:

    Kms2014,

    You know I like you. Please don’t try any harder than you already have to get moderated by SA. It won’t be fun not seeing your posts on the profile.

  250. Josh says:

    Jacob, you know I like you, yes? I even like you grand scheme, which I am eager to hear more about-only practical implementation and NOT theory though.

    But keep in mind that Kms is expert in getting under people’s skin. That’s her blog expertise. LOL!

    She is very nice in person though. I suggested earlier that you communicate with her in private but you didn’t care for that. That’s totally you choice. But I would suggest that you reconsider.

    I don’t want either of you to be moderated by SA. That would take away something from the blog.

  251. Josh says:

    “you will be able to pay even 50 x the average child support in the future!”

    Now that’s funny shit. Maybe not to Jacob but to Josh and Elaine, at least. 😉

  252. FlyR says:

    I like the idea of a new blog every 10 days or 600 messages with a daily limit of 7 posts or 1,000 characters per poster

  253. Elaine says:

    @Josh

    Agree!

    I suggest KMS and SunnyJacob to just stop talking to each other.
    Agree to disagree and move on guys! :-)
    This is leading nowhere, and is boring for newbies.

    Kms, I know you are a lady, ignore him and show your class by placing yourself above this. Concentrate on “you know who I mean”, surely far more interesting! 😉

    JacobSunshine you state to be a whealty businessman, you should not even have time for this shit! Use the time you are wasting on this blog to your
    business, and you will be able to pay even 50 x the average child support in the future! :-)

  254. Josh says:

    Folks. Pleaee talk meaningful stuff. It does not mean that what is meaningful to one blogger must be similarly meaningful to one or more bloggers.

    What I am suggesting is that please go read some of these posts and, as a reasonably intelligent person, assess if these posts have any meaningful content.

    Even if that content has some comedic or satarical value then I am good with that. But if it does not then why do it?

  255. Jacob says:

    Kirsten’s appearance among the comments yesterday should have given you a hint about the truthfulness about my earlier statements; i.e. my old username is not under any ban, and whoever posted under “SunShineLoveForYou” was not me.

    KMS, we already knew you were not “well established”; now you are showing us that you are not very smart either. What a disappointment 😉

  256. Kms2014 says:

    Stop antagonizing, ‘Jacob’, or you will have to go through the rest of the names in the Bible, due to you being blocked with all your new sunshiny names already that did not allow you to post 😉

  257. Jacob says:

    BTW, KMS, please note what you did was yet another attempt at Libel, as your statement made a clearly false claim about my action/behavior. Looks like you are just begging to be kicked off the blog.

  258. Jacob says:

    BTW, at my current station in life, I don’t even serve alcohol on first or second dates, much less slipping in any pills. On the other hand, some unscrupulous vendors trying to sell over-priced weekends are known to slip pills/drugs into their clients; so it might be a subject that you are familiar with.

  259. Jacob says:

    Those meds are only for the blog ankle biting dogs. In case you did not notice, the link was via an Ad. I put in google search for “calming pills,” intending to find whatever is the latest fad in the PsychologyToday world, but luck would have it that google served up calming pills for dogs! Quite fortuitous.

  260. Kms2014 says:

    Okay, sorry…could not resist 😉 Will behave again, hehe.

  261. Kms2014 says:

    Do those blog topics also come with a Starbucks gift-card code for two extra shots of espresso, in your latte, due to propensity to cause extreme sleepiness/boredom? 😉

  262. Jacob says:

    LOL, let’s fantasize about that for a moment; here are some topics that I’d write about:

    How to keep the sugar flowing even after stopping putting out;

    How to stay sexy to your daddy during breast-feeding;

    How to keep a man, or at least his wallet/ATM machine for decades or for the rest of your own life.

    LOL. You asked 😉 These are advanced sugaring topics. Due to grades inflation, what used to be a Master’s degree in RS (MRS degree) is now a Doctorate degree in Sugaring.

  263. Kms2014 says:

    ‘Jacob’ says:

    “What do you think I’d be writing column after column if I were to take over the blog authoring? LOL.”

    LOL, indeed! Hahaha!

  264. Jacob says:

    If saving staff time and cost were a concern, it would actually be easier to just leave the blog article as “Earth Date MM.DD.YYY” then let the various commenters from different perspectives to hash out their own conversations, perhaps with a limit to 10 posts per day from any one poster. Such a limit would actually cut down on noise and squabbles, raising signal-to-noise ratio.

  265. Jacob says:

    SA already provides a “Tips” section on the right hand side of this page for frequently asked questions. If anyone is interested in putting together another FAQ, there are thousands of web hosting companies willing and eager to host for you for a few dollars a month.

    It would be a terrible idea to have an actively sugaring person who is not a hermaphrodite taking over the blog writing itself. Sugaring is a diverse world, yet everyone has his/her own agenda. What do you think I’d be writing column after column if I were to take over the blog authoring? LOL. Likewise for anyone else, male or female. Until we find someone who is both male and female, both 22 and 60 (and 35 too! at the same time), sugaring from both sides, wanting the entire spectrum from one-night-stand to 3mo/6mo to 3yr-5yr to marriage to co-parenting, everything from non-sexual rinsing to hosting group orgies together, etc. etc.. Until we find such a unicorn, it’s better to leave the blog posts to the disinterested parties, so none of us in the sugaring bowl itself feel alienated.

  266. Elaine says:

    @ Gtt-envy,

    Well actually in the 2 yeats I am here, I have seen some changes….
    I guess half of the readers here is new and
    searching for info, a lot of them will be discouraged because it is very hard to find, because so scattered througout the different topics.

    @Southern,

    Thank you, but I just repeated some questions that come up every time. :-)
    And my sugar reality is such a niche that it would not be interesting to most anyway.
    (Oh…and not to forget, it is all fantasy accoording to some 😉 )

    And anyway I think a forum and chatcafe would be much better.

    The regulars can chat (and fight 😉 ) as they like without
    confusing newbies and info seekers.
    Info can be easily found back by topic/question.
    And SA employees can do more important things (like checking new profiles) because they don’t have to think about new topics to come up with :-)

  267. Kms2014 says:

    I even ask those same questions still myself, as every arrangement is different, and every man handles it differently, as some men are new to lifestyle, so the way things are approached could be completely opposite of how a previous arrangement was handled…depending on how flexible each person is. So, is always good to have ‘refresher’ courses or continuing Ed., just like in many jobs…and informative articles could be very helpful to both new and old members, in my opinion (:

  268. Kms2014 says:

    I like, Elaine’s ideas….


    Like the always upcoming questions about how to ask for, or hand over allowances in an nice and respectful way.
    How to act if it is time to say goodbye.
    What to expect and how to behave at first meet, first telephone call etc.
    Why it is of very bad education to poof, so how to end things in a decent way
    before poofing.
    Why timewasting is very disrespectful.
    Why SBs should not ask advances and SDs should not ask for testdrives.
    Why SBs and SDs should both “invest” in time to get to know each other.”

    Have emailed with a couple of new girls from blog, on occasion, in the past few months and the most common question they asked is, ‘how to bring up the allowance issue, and what to say?’ And, ‘how should I accept these funds/allowance amounts and in what way?”. Even though SA has touched on these two issue, various times, there still seems to be question, or the old blog topics are hard to find? Like southern said, they probably will not go back two years.

    While exchanging real and truthful experiences is good, many times the newbies do not get their questions answered or are wary of asking, due to the blog posts being off topic, or there is a disagreement and the newbies questions are lost in the ‘debates’, hehe 😉

  269. Josh says:

    In any group of people, there are experienced, newbies and in between.

    As this space expands, it’s in the best interest of everyone involved that there is open and truthful exchange of ideas and experiences.

    Brandon has gone to the dark side, dont know what’s up with SD Guru, and SA-employed blog writers are pretty much clueless. They write as if they are writing for Match dot com.

    So the onus is on the eexperienced folks to share real experiences in a truthful manner and the newbies to learn and cautiously participate in the space.

  270. nicegirl says:

    @Southern SB

    ” gtt-envy-There are always newbies reading who need the advice, and for the most part, they don’t want to go back to a blog post from two years ago to get it.”

    So true, very good point

  271. SouthernSB says:

    gtt-envy-There are always newbies reading who need the advice, and for the most part, they don’t want to go back to a blog post from two years ago to get it.

  272. SouthernSB says:

    @Elaine- I like you topics. Maybe they should put you in charge of writing the blog for a while.

  273. gtt_envy says:

    At this stage what is informative to us? US, being those that have been doing this for years has anything really changed?

    We all have our own budgets, life circumstances, and ideals when it comes to this.

  274. Elaine says:

    There is such a lot of more interesting topics to come up with.

    I think the problem is that the employees of SA are probably not SD or SB themselves and then it is hard to understand what would be informative for us….

  275. Elaine says:

    @Sean

    I think a forum would be much better to start with.
    In that way SA doesnt have to search for new topics all the time, and it would be much easier to search on topic, or ask questions, for people searching certain answers or information.

    Even the most interesting blog topics are hardly giving any info people might be searching for. Because mostly it is immediately going off topic.
    I am not saying there isn’t any interesting info to find, but it is too scattered and hard to find.

    For the bloggers who want to chat off topic you could create a sort of chat
    cafe.

    If you decide to go ahead in the actual format :
    I do appreciate you attempt to blog about etiquette, but I would keep it much closer to the sugarworld.

    Like the always upcoming questions about how to ask for, or hand over allowances in an nice and respectful way.
    How to act if it is time to say goodbye.
    What to expect and how to behave at first meet, first telephone call etc.
    Why it is of very bad education to poof, so how to end things in a decent way
    before poofing.
    Why timewasting is very disrespectful.
    Why SBs should not ask advances and SDs should not ask for testdrives.
    Why SBs and SDs should both “invest” in time to get to know each other.

  276. Alexis says:

    “Yeah, I think that maybe some useful etiquette would’ve been more helpful.

    I do drink, and I do appreciate a glass that best suits the beverage. Even with non-alcoholic beverages, though.

    One time I went to a casino in Atlantic City with some friends. They gambled, I danced with stranger-friends on the dance floor. Had a fun and sexy blast. During a dance floor intermission, I went to the bar and ordered a Maker’s Manhattan up (it’s one of my stiff drinks of choice if I’m in the mood for a subtly sweet sipper). It came served in a plastic Dixie cup :(. For that I would’ve thrown back a whiskey neat, and salsa-ed my way back to the dance floor.”

    Uhhh all right lol. Thank you for sharing I guess?

  277. Kms2014 says:

    “I think there should be an open forum where there is not an actual “topic” at hand. I have seen that suggested among the bloggers and it might keep these specific threads more on track with the blog topics SA is having you create – JMHO”

    @nicegirl…yes, agree with that (:

  278. Sean Hoade says:

    Thanks, nicegirl! You live up to your name.

  279. nicegirl says:

    @Sean… maybe if you wrote from your personal voice it would have been better received. More humorous, maybe the “Keep those pinky fingers extended, ladies!” was an attempt but who does that with a spirit glass – that is more for tea time ;o) Just a thought.

    I think there should be an open forum where there is not an actual “topic” at hand. I have seen that suggested among the bloggers and it might keep these specific threads more on track with the blog topics SA is having you create – JMHO

    PS.. We don’t all think you are a “Who-ever wrote this POS article is a self important poor wannabe twat.” 😉

  280. Sean Hoade says:

    Elaine says:
    > Wahaha, who came up with this topic? LOL

    Hey, I came up with it! I thought it would be useful for Sugar Babies to be familiar with different glasses and their functions, since SBs are not always upper-class women exposed to this information. It doesn’t matter if THEY drink or not; it just matters that they feel comfortable in the SD’s more rarefied dining and drinking atmosphere.

    > Although I think some topics about (sugar) etiquette would be helpful!

    Like what areas of etiquette? I’d be very happy to write on that topic!

    Sean

  281. Kms2014 says:

    650 S FTW….an Aussie who is an Atlanta Braves fan, moving from NY to London? That is interesting mix. London is great, but no baseball fans there, really …): I got into Chelsea FC over there, though…hehe, where they eat their prawn sandwiches and sip champagne..not sure if it is the right glass, however, hehe.

  282. flyR says:

    @650 “Who-ever wrote this POS article is a self important poor wannabe twat.”

    Amen

  283. flyR says:

    @sexyrockstar – That’s the wonderful part of old cities- old restaurants that have stood the test of time. Still miss the little family Italian restaurants in Boston, some in San Francisco, but rents have gone up so much that most have closed. In some of the Boston places the house wine came from a barrel in the basement.

  284. marla says:

    @DesertSB

    Care to elaborate? I’m kinda new ’round these parts, and I find myself both humored and confused. What’s your take?

    I second that!!! I am curious…..

  285. sexyrockstar says:

    Omgggg if you see boy George, give him a hug for me. I love him. Haha.

  286. 650S FTW says:

    Moving from NY to London

    :-)

  287. sexyrockstar says:

    Well if you’re ever in Chicago….you let me know

  288. 650S FTW says:

    I saw Greg Maddux PITCH though what a day (had to endure Zambrano the day before)

  289. 650S FTW says:

    LOU in Lincolnwood, but I hear you. I love Wrigley… like my old beloved ancient Adelaide Oval, classic, fun and beautiful.

    I am a Braves fan from Perth, go figure

  290. sexyrockstar says:

    650S-
    I go all the time. I have season tickets. One of my former Sds never went to a have, so I treated him to one on his birthday. There are much better pizza then Lous. I love pizza….the mom and pop places are the hidden gems.

  291. 650S FTW says:

    flyR – here here, my best friends in West Aussie own about 10 wineries…. tough business but FUN

  292. 650S FTW says:

    Sexyrockstar – Cubs games and beer… I went there twice – 10 years back to see my hero MADDUX pitch…. JULY 4 weekend 2004 to be exact

    what a perfect weekend… add in Lou Malnati Pizza etc = JOY

    MY wife was a Chicago lass, Chicago is fun, she was NOT !

  293. 650S FTW says:

    When I lived in Tokyo in the 90s we had parties where we drank Chateau D’YQuem by straw from the leFt and guzzled Crystal from a bottle in the right

    Who-ever wrote this POS article is a self important poor wannabe twat.

    BUT DON’T QUOTE ME NANCYBOY

  294. sexyrockstar says:

    Josh-

    I’m a classy woman. Born and still living in Chicago….I actually drink beer….Old Style to be exact. I saw my grandparents drink it when they took me to cubs games….my parents drink it when they took me to cubs games. Old style is my style. I don’t care what anyone else says about it.

  295. flyR says:

    You would be surprised at how many really fine winemakers struggle to survive while the mass marketers prosper.

    Great winemaking is part art, part farming and much luck. Drought, too much rain, heat, freezes, bugs and disease are constant threats.

    I have no quarrel with those who dismiss wine for they help keep prices down for those who do like their wine.

  296. Josh says:

    @sexyrockstar

    I see you’re passionate about wine.

    But for whatever it is worth, wine can disappear from the face of this earth and no one may notice, except the high profit-margin wine makers and wine industry writers.

    Beer, vodka, whisky, tequila, etc., now that’s the real stuff. I only drink beer.

    I am not into hard liquor. So pdiddy can go fuck himself.

  297. Josh says:

    *punch of dumb and dumber…

  298. Josh says:

    flyR never fails to deliver a one-two ounch of dumb amd dumber. For example:

    “I think you would do far better quietly inviting some of the more intelligent and articulate women to contribute”

    Dumb…

    “A better topic would be the right glass to use when your are in the horizontal position but still wanting to enjoy a good red wine”

    Dumber…

  299. flyR says:

    @Kirsten – I do not know the qualifications for blog writer but it’s bush league, and not in a warm fuzzy way. I think you would do far better quietly inviting some of the more intelligent and articulate women to contribute in exchange for say a year of premium membership 4 tickets to the next party.

    I’m far from an expert on etiquette but before worrying about stemware a trip to the used book store or amazon for Letta Baldridge’s book would be a much better investment for a young man or woman. There’s also a lot of wisdom here, especially from some of the women who wander in and out of the blog.

    Let’s hope this is the last discussion of socially correct stemware. A better topic would be the right glass to use when your are in the horizontal position but still wanting to enjoy a good red wine

    You would do far better with them .

  300. sexyrockstar says:

    Someone also made a joke about an under aged SB having their pop in a fancy glass. The other day, I had an older gentlemen ask for sprite in a rocks glass with a twist. I looked at him like he was a psycho path. It’s against my restaurants liquor licence to put anything non alcoholic in a glass made for an alcoholic beverage.

  301. sexyrockstar says:

    Oh…wine. as a bartender, I see men and women of all ages order some cheap wine, expensive wine, and wine in the middle. There have been times that I ran out of certain glassware, so I pour it into another glass. But white wine…NEEDS a stem. As mentioned before….it’s to prevent the wine from getting warmer. I also find finger prints on my glass gross, looks unclean. It also bothers me when people put ice in their white wine.

  302. “Alexis says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:40 am
    @yougottabekiddingme
    Oh joy, true! lol

    I dunno. Seems to me like it could have been a brief article with a lot of pictures and simple descriptions of what was used when and how.”

    Yeah, I think that maybe some useful etiquette would’ve been more helpful.

    I do drink, and I do appreciate a glass that best suits the beverage. Even with non-alcoholic beverages, though.

    One time I went to a casino in Atlantic City with some friends. They gambled, I danced with stranger-friends on the dance floor. Had a fun and sexy blast. During a dance floor intermission, I went to the bar and ordered a Maker’s Manhattan up (it’s one of my stiff drinks of choice if I’m in the mood for a subtly sweet sipper). It came served in a plastic Dixie cup :(. For that I would’ve thrown back a whiskey neat, and salsa-ed my way back to the dance floor.

  303. “Kms2014 says:

    @ygbkm…chipotle margarita? Hmm, who knew? Will have to try one, but only if they still have it from a pre-made batch (:”

    It’s the best kept secret! The also have Corona and Modelo. The location closest to me stopped serving alcohol by mandate relates to proximity to a church and school. Maybe they could get away with wine. You know…since Jesus drank it, and all.

    There is also a restaurant with a Chipotle-style concept for Italian food. They use to sell wine for $4 a glass, but then alcohol sales started to make up too much of their revenue for whatever license they have. Now their wine is less than $2 a glass. Ha.

  304. Alexis says:

    @yougottabekiddingme
    Oh joy, true! lol

    I dunno. Seems to me like it could have been a brief article with a lot of pictures and simple descriptions of what was used when and how. Tsk tsk but me and my eternal silliness.

    Plus maybe I’m biased since I don’t drink; especially, wine which makes me nauseaus – yuck. Just looking at this pic made me nauseated.

  305. Kms2014 says:

    @ygbkm…chipotle margarita? Hmm, who knew? Will have to try one, but only if they still have it from a pre-made batch (:

  306. @Alexis

    Brace yourself. Per the title, this topic is merely part one…of a sequel? Trilogy? A syndicated series?

  307. Alexis says:

    Oh these articles lol. It seems like they are getting worse and worse. Honestly now, what is the purpose of these things? They always appear as if they have been thrown together in the last ten minutes prior to being “due”.

    Sighs
    I know. I’m always asking too much.

  308. Elaine says:

    @ Josh

    A very big part of so called life “luxuries” is based upon pretentious nonsense dear….

    Ask the man who’s avatar you are using! 😉

  309. Josh says:

    The whole wine industry is based on pretentious nonsense.

    How is that to divert the discussion in a different but more practical and “meaningful” direction? 😉

  310. “Keeping total alcohol delivered per drink relatively constant helps both the bar tender and the customer keeping track of how much alcohol the customer has had.”

    Kind of, SS. For the bartender, it’s more portion control (glasses per bottle) in relation to cost and minimizing oxidation from opened bottles.

    I was at a high end steak house last week, and watched the bartender pour every single glass into a measuring carafe, then into the glass. I was pretty surprised, actually. When I worked as a server and bartender, I could pretty accurately gauge a pour by eye, which is pretty much industry practice. Cocktail drinks were measured by count. My boss could point out an over poured glass from across the room. But he’d also use a measure to pour cocktails. It makes sense for some of the scotches which neared $40 per ounce, but even then…give the people a splash more, no?

    Measures are also used for consistency in taste. I eat at Chipotle now and then, and I can’t help but order a Margarita with my meal. Chipotle’s margarita is actually one of the best Ive tasted, despite being poured from a house made batch. It’s well balanced, and it only costs ~4 bucks. BUT THEN! On my most recent visit, the location I visited had upped it’s game a little, seemingly so. Their margarita was not poured from a pre made batch, but from a fancy new bar rack they’d added behind the service line. I hesitated to order one, mostly because I already had an anticipated taste on my palate, and wasn’t sure how this would turn out. This was Chipotle, after-all. The cashier went to “find someone” to make my drink. The girl she found hurried out of the back, and tripped over to the “bar” to pour my drink…with silver measure in hand. Score! The Chipotle Margarita Gods must’ve done an inservice training to pass along the secret perfect formula that Id come to love and long for :D. Absolutely effing wrong! Worst margarita Ive ever drank in my entire legal life!!! :( There was too much of this and not enough that, too much of that and not enough this. Wtf happened, Chipotle?! Why have you so brazenly ruined my life?! (Actually, it was just my dinner that was ruined…technically, my drink…which I ordered to complement my dinner…which was vital nutrition at that point…in my life. So yes, the claim stands!). I’m hoping that only this particular Chipotle has switched to the schmancy bar model. It’s located in a business district, so maybe the idea was to appeal to business folk in the area. Maybe the ingredients changed a little which altered the taste. I much prefer the house batch mix.

    Anyway, I guess my point is, the usefulness and practicality of the tool–stem, measure or otherwise–is largely contingent upon the user :).

  311. flyR says:

    I’m trying to decide if SA is going to be selling wine glasses, a book on etiquette or someone’s on serious drugs.

    Life would be simpler if they just turned the page as if it were the log of the Starship Galactic Sugar and noted the date the new subject started. Half the topic writeups have them shooting themselves in the foot.

    Jacob – thanks for enlightening us as to the proper glass for coke.

    As Khloe notes a white served slightly chilled should not be fondled. Unfortunately too many folks take the offer (or near requirement) that white come with an ice bucket which is way too cold and kills much of the enjoyment.

  312. Jj says:

    “OH!!! good grief!!!” CB

  313. Jacob says:

    LOL. Yes, some restaurants do serve Coca Cola in a proper Riedel glass. Not stemware per se but a genuine Riedel glass specifically designed for Coca Cola, tapering top to focus the fizz at the drinker and extra interior volume where the usual stem would be.

  314. Khloe says:

    Graphic contains a faux pas …. no holding white wine by the bowl. As white wine is served slightly chilled it is recommended that the imbiber hold the glassware by the stem. In vino veritas!

  315. Elaine says:

    @ Josh,

    Well isn’t that funny then?

    At least now they know in which glass their coke will be served in that fancy restaurant 😉

  316. Josh says:

    @Elaine,

    If you read profiles of under-21 year-old SBs, almost all of them them list their drinking preference as “social drinker”. 😉

  317. bobonbnbnb says:

    So funny – an entire article written about stemware and the lead photo shows the drinkers holding the glass by the bulb ( bowl) Fricking typical.

  318. Elaine says:

    Wahaha, who came up with this topic? LOL
    Thanks to SA marketing strategy, a big part of the SBs is not even ALLOWED to drink alcohol, by law! 😉

    Although I think some topics about (sugar) etiquette would be helpful!

  319. Jacob says:

    I always thought the long stems served two purposes:

    1. avoiding heating the bulb and its liquid content with hand

    2. so the server can use less of the expensive liquid; what little liquid is there is made to look greater in volume. A glass of wine is made to take up as much exterior frame volume as a beer stein, but actually delivering 1/4 to 1/2 the interior volume. Wine has 2x to 4x the alcohol concentration compared to beer. A Martini glass is even more extreme in lack of interior volume for its exterior frame, as both vodka and vermouth have 4x to 2x the usual alcohol content of typical wine. Keeping total alcohol delivered per drink relatively constant helps both the bar tender and the customer keeping track of how much alcohol the customer has had.

  320. BrownSugar_Vy says:

    I’m very new to the blogs, so I have nothing to compare it to but I find myself confused as well.

  321. @DesertSB

    Care to elaborate? I’m kinda new ’round these parts, and I find myself both humored and confused. What’s your take?

  322. DesertSB says:

    Woah. Perusing the blogs for the first time in over a year, and I must say… the a major shift in PR strategy is almost comical. Total 180.

    • Kirsten says:

      Hi @DesertSB – we recently hired a bunch of new people so I think that is what you are seeing. Every blog writer chooses their own topics and has a different voice so you are bound to see blogs on everything from sex to dining. Thank you for your input though!

  323. Besides… How much can be said about glassware? And to think this is only “Part 1”.

    Surely there has to be a fight…I know you like it rough now and then. We can make up again later, babe. I’ll shower you with my sweetest kisses ;).

  324. Damn it!

    I’ll do a better job of remembering which terms of endearment you are averse to.

  325. Josh says:

    Now my turn to say damn it.

    Just when I was starting to appreciate your flirty gesture s, you went back to poo and asshole?

    Oh well, the flirtiness ends sooner or later. :(

  326. “Josh:

    Why art thou damning it, @yougottabebangingme?”

    Well, a couple of reasons…

    1. I never get to recycle my virginity. How do you get so lucky, asshole?

    2. The sooner you stop posting…well…don’t you have better things to do anyway?

  327. Just noticed your post, Joshiepoo…

  328. Five paragraphs on stemware…yet a feature photo with people holding the glass by the bowl.

    Whatevs. Drink how you wanna, I guess.

  329. Josh says:

    Why art thou damning it, @yougottabebangingme?

  330. Josh says:

    Virgin blog! Yippee 😉

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