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How Not to Sugar
  • Posted Jul 25, 2014

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Breaking into the Sugar Bowl is like entering a whole new dating game, where you create the stakes and the benefit is all your own. Arrangements are like snowflakes: each one is unique. Building a relationship on your terms is choosing your own adventure, but that should never mean compromising your values.

The sugar world is new and exciting, but not without a few common faux pas. Sugar stereotypes exist for a reason, but the root of a mutually beneficial relationship is much deeper than the monetary gain. When two people enter an arrangement, attraction and common ground should be some of the first things that first pique your interest. Starting your sugar experience should be a smooth transition, and all Babies and Daddies should avoid some common mistakes.

The First Meeting

The intricacies of an arrangement can be defined by individual and couple needs, and that should be openly discussed before the initial meeting. One thing is certain: an arrangement is not a one time thing. A first time meeting is no different from a first date. The goal is to see if you can develop a relationship with this person. Once the relationship takes off, funds and intimacy are a natural progression.

First Date Don’ts

1. Neither money nor sex should be exchanged on a first date. Deciding whether to pursue an arrangement with someone might take a few dates, and both people should be comfortable enough that the finances and attraction become second nature. Receiving or presenting a gift on a first date is okay, but should not be expected.

2. Do not agree upon pay-per-meet arrangements. Sugar is not a transaction, it’s a lifestyle. Creating a mutually beneficial relationship means each persons needs are met, and there is no way to meet those needs on a pay-per-meet basis. Don’t sell yourself short with a one-time meeting. The point of an arrangement is to enhance one another’s lives, much past the first date.

3. Don’t be desperate. Finding the right counterpart in an arrangement requires patience, just like finding a spouse. Desperation does not look good on anyone. There is no way to find an arrangement in the midst of desperation. you’ll end up settling for someone who might not be a perfect fit.

4. Sex is not part of the arrangement. From the first date and beyond, sugar does not have a sex requirement. Being in a committed relationship in which two partners take care of each others’ needs can constitute intimacy, but only as a natural progression. The closeness of sex should be experienced out of desire, never obligation.

A new light needs to be shed on sugar. The future of mutually beneficial relationships is in the hands of our members, and participating in safe and fulfilling sugar is a fundamental belief.

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874 Responses to “How Not to Sugar”

  1. Josh says:

    Since I signed up for this site I’ve read nothing but whining comments from men”

    That’s what I say. Too many whining men hang out here. 😉

  2. Phoenix says:

    This made me giggle a little. There’s always going to be stereotypical people on this site (escort,john), doesn’t mean you have to fall for it. Use your other brain, and don’t mistreat or insult SBs,your expected to uphold your end of the arrangement if she’s giving you her attention and time. Don’t see how people pay for sex, something you can earn along with trust. Since I signed up for this site I’ve read nothing but whining comments from men who KNEW what they signed up for and the risks. Are your rules and needs more important? No find common ground be assertive and walk away respectfully if it feels wrong.

  3. Josh says:

    *Unless you belong to the primary demographics…

  4. Josh says:

    @MarielDi

    Unless you are out of the primary demographics men look for in Puerto Rico, you will run into challenges.

    Pay per meet is the most common arrangement type, thanks largely to the rinsers on the site who take older men for fools and play all kinds of games once they get the large allowance up front.

    Now you have three choices:

    1. Up your game to find better quality of SD.
    2. Move somewhere else ouside of the island.
    3. Bail out of sugar and make money somewhere else.

    Best of success with sugar.

  5. MarielDi says:

    I can totally relate to this article, i have had very bad luck on this website because all of them want to meet me for a 1 time thing, I am not having sex with them anymore, and they all want a pay-per-meet arrangement. I am looking for something more than that… But most of these guys see me as a sex-toy that works for them and use me whenever they want. I’m tired of it. Sometimes I think I’m not attractive or smart enough, but you know what… I am, but it is soooooo hard to find the right man for me, specially here in Puerto Rico where people think that earning 50K a year makes you rich, so they are all cheap, and it sucks. Any advice?

  6. Josh says:

    @GaySB,

    And when Elaine says “make sure yours stand out!”, she is referring to your profile. OK? 😉

  7. Elaine says:

    @GaySB

    No experience as male SB, but I can tell you, the same happens to us, female SBs too….
    Try to not email randomly, but select profiles you think could be attracted to yours. And make sure yours stand out!

  8. Josh says:

    GaySB,

    I cannot help you from the point of view of sugar in gay relationships, but my general understanding is that unless you’re an above-average 20-something white coed, you’re going to face various challenges.

    So the best thing is to assess the return on your time investment at SA. Then either commit yourself to make it happen or bail out.

  9. GaySB says:

    I’ve been on this site a few months. I’m not saying I’m not being frustrated, but I email guys, they click on my message and don’t bother replying. I have no clue what’s going on.

  10. “Josh says:
    August 14, 2014 at 2:04 pm
    @yougottabelickingme

    “Fireworks for sure. Don’t take the bait, girls.”

    Damn it!”

    Ha. Uh huh…Im on to you, sweets.

  11. Josh says:

    @Josephine

    Are you a sugar momma looking for SBs?

  12. Josh says:

    @yougottabelickingme

    “Fireworks for sure. Don’t take the bait, girls.”

    Damn it! 😉

  13. Josephine says:

    Hello fighting people, why so aggressive?
    I’m from Belfast Northern Ireland.
    I didn’t read all the comments too much aggression, where has the sugar gone?
    Maybe being 51 years young has taught me life needs more sweetness and love, if that is expressed in a physical way too many seem to think that is wrong, just my opinion.
    Discussions around Lovemaking seem to lead to too much aggression.
    Smile and relax your world just might improve :)

  14. Fireworks for sure. Don’t take the bait, girls.

  15. Josh says:

    @Confused

    @whineygirl was devoid of sexual advise from elders, so she as some excuse.

    Haven’t one of your aunts, mother, grandma etc., (every family has one female sexual big mouth) told you not to mess with well-fucked man?

    Note: I am currently under FB’s very daring dare. So watch out and speak only when spoken to. 😉

    Let the fireworks begin. Hahahaha

  16. nicegirl says:

    @Confused – I wonder the very same thing ;o)

  17. Confused says:

    fathom* I apologize.It was auto-corrected.

  18. Confused says:

    So is Josh a writer here? or a troll of some sort? I am truly confused. Is he paid by the site? I cannot phantom someone spending all those months responding to comments from an article.

    Truly curious.

  19. Josh says:

    “an engagement ring should cost 3-6 months salary”

    This is tire kicking to see if you would be good for 50% of your salary for 240 months. Kick her on her rear end now or ask your doctor which really cool depression medicine is good for you.

  20. 42SWM says:

    “It seems that men calculate worth by monetary value, while for women it’s more composite. HOWEVER, because men can only seem to understand worth in dollars, it seems that women apply an amount for which she thinks the man’s investment would demonstrate his acknowledgment and recognition of her worth. So the dilemma sometimes becomes chicken or the egg in a sense.”

    There is a lot of truth in there, which is how that trope about an engagement ring should cost 3-6 months salary got started.

    One of the things I observed as a married man was that my wife either couldn’t or wouldn’t engage in evaluating things in a compartmentalized way. Everything was always tied to everything else. So if I would say something like “from a financial standpoint, my job is more important to us than your job” she would take it as “my job is more important than yours” and the end result would be predictable.

    A lot of problems in economic analysis result from either concluding economics is the only thing that matters or conversely that non-economic factors make the economics better. We have social programs and safety nets for non-economic reasons, to give people a chance to get back on their feet. Such programs are necessary to avoid significant social problems, but they do not actually help the economy.

  21. I’m really not sure where men are encountering so many women who supposedly do not enjoy sex. Every woman I know, even older women, even my mother and…wait for it, wait for it…my GRANDMOTHER…still enjoy sex.

    Could it possibly be (like someone said earlier, maybe Kms) that she just doesn’t enjoy sex with you (for any given reason)?

    And as it pertains to sugar…

    Does general courtship not apply? Does one’s desire to be courted, even in sugar, make her a rinser or prude? Some of you men act as if women should line up to have sex in exchange for the weekend surf and turf special.

    I can imagine that it can be hard to distinguish sabotagers from rinsers from genuinely lovely ladies who would blow your mind without question should she find you benevolent in your own sharings. It can be equally difficult to distinguish between men of similar sorts.

    Contrary to FatBstard’s comment that once the money is gone, it’s gone…I think it’s the sense of trust and self worth that’s invaluable. This is for men and women. I think that the money is secondary when someone (guy or gal) feels deceived, baited and switched or rinsed. Replacing these invaluables isnt comparable to replenishing disposable income. Even replenishing the lost money doesn’t compensate for the sense of feeling robbed in other ways.

    Quite the paradox. It seems that men calculate worth by monetary value, while for women it’s more composite. HOWEVER, because men can only seem to understand worth in dollars, it seems that women apply an amount for which she thinks the man’s investment would demonstrate his acknowledgment and recognition of her worth. So the dilemma sometimes becomes chicken or the egg in a sense.

  22. So, every now and then, the posts on the thread appear numbered…like with numbers beside each post. Is this a thing? Why don’t I see numbered posts all the time?

  23. Josh says:

    @yougottabekiddingme

    “@Joshie, love…

    I’m trying to take a nap.

    ~yougottabelickingme”

    Sweetheart,

    You’re gonna have to wait on the licking part until I stop posting on the blog, which may never happen. 😉

  24. Josh says:

    @yetanotherwhinnygirl

    “Josh, you write the same negative crap in almost everything you write so it isn’t a secret you are trying to hide. I think it is funny when you try and back peddle about it.”

    The blog archive is my witness that women whinier than you have come, gone and have become part of the blog history before making me “back peddle” on what I write.

    If YOU think that YOUR whining can make me back peddle then I should just throw in the towel and start chasing blog SBs, which FB believes is never gonna happen. LOL!

  25. Josh says:

    There you go FB. 😉

  26. FatB'StardSA says:

    “2. I will NEVER make an arrangement with a blog SB until I have decided to stop posting on the blog. ;)”

    “So maybe when I have decided to say farewell to the blog, and we happen to be closer, then I may try.”

    I don’t believe you can go one day without posting on the blog much less leaving the blog entirely.

  27. Joshie, love…

    I’m trying to take a nap.

    ~yougottabelickingme

  28. Josh says:

    “My life really started when I married ny husband”, Nancy DVis Reagan. What a gal! 😉

  29. Josh says:

    Oops. Did not know that you were Hillary phobe. How about Nancy Reagan then? 😉

  30. nicegirl says:

    @Josh

    ““you have stated time and time again that they are generally worthless human beings which generally means dislike.. am I wrong?”

    If you consider Cheryl Sandberg, Marisa Mayers, Hillary Clinton and millions upon millions of productive women around the world as “worthless human beings” then that’s your problem not mine.

    I write what I write in certain specific context. If you choose to read it in a broader context then that’s your problem and not mine. ;)”

    You really told me!!!! Thank you for clarifying how twisted your words are. I am not in your little mind to decide how your repetitive words should be interpreted. I read it as it is stated… over and over and over and over again. Josh, you write the same negative crap in almost everything you write so it isn’t a secret you are trying to hide. I think it is funny when you try and back peddle about it. If you want to have a passionate affair with Hillary Clinton than go for it! She is only really good for sex and babies anyway…(your words not mine).

  31. Josh says:

    @nicegirl

    “The “awwww” thing is just annoying. You know that don’t you???”

    If you dislike “awww” then take it up with yougottabefuckingme. 😉

  32. Josh says:

    @nicegirl

    “you have stated time and time again that they are generally worthless human beings which generally means dislike.. am I wrong?”

    If you consider Cheryl Sandberg, Marisa Mayers, Hillary Clinton and millions upon millions of productive women around the world as “worthless human beings” then that’s your problem not mine.

    I write what I write in certain specific context. If you choose to read it in a broader context then that’s your problem and not mine. 😉

  33. Jacob says:

    @Elaine,
    I’m open to operating on hypothetical assumptions proffered from others on specific issues, if they make no material difference to the argument.

  34. nicegirl says:

    The “awwww” thing is just annoying. You know that don’t you???

  35. Josh says:

    Is this time for a group “Awww” yet?

  36. Elaine says:

    @ “Jacob”

    August 12, 2014 at 9:40 am
    “Elaine, your domicile in Europe may not have kept you apace with the reality facing the young generation in the US.”

    Ah, so with your blog identity now you have also changed your mind?

    Not so long ago you were convinced I was the alter ego of KMS, and must be living for sure in the USA because I referred to “Bloomberg” as a way to check my SDs?

    Let me think…..there is a name for such syndrome…..
    …Split personality? :-)

    You’re hilarious SS!

  37. Kms2014 says:

    @nicegirl…Josh, minus some of his posts meant to push buttons, is pretty good guy 😉 And, Josh, according to FB, then I should pay you for arrangement, yes? Hehe…Josh, might be too expensive for me….he has picture of Louboutins as avatar, so know he has expensive taste!

  38. nicegirl says:

    @Josh, ok that is vague enough to being agreeing with me ;o)

  39. Josh says:

    @nicegirl,

    I like my women “by prescription in limited quantities.” 😉

  40. nicegirl says:

    @Jacob. I will tell you for a fact there are no “slum” housing in my town that I pay taxes for. Furthermore, there may be lower income kids in the school district but not from a drug laden slum. I just think you are talking from a certain demographic not broadbased

  41. nicegirl says:

    @Josh… I think you like what you get from girls but you have stated time and time again that they are generally worthless human beings which generally means dislike.. am I wrong?

  42. Jacob says:

    Things change in the mid to late 20’s, but in the 18-24 age group, you have to go to see it first hand how many hot girls from nice families show up at parties thrown by those shady characters, where drugs are served and dangerous sex are had. Let’s face it, the most important draw for women that age (or almost any age) is not long term security but how the relationship makes her stand out among peers (the same reason why housewives keep up and try to outdo the Joneses). Local drug kingpin is practically a smaller version of JFK or Bill Clinton or something; “that’s where power is.”

    Every single nice town in the suburbs are required by law / federal tax-redistribution to allocate some number of units into affordable housing as well as accepting busing of kids from nearby slum cities into their nice public schools. It’s a condition for taking DOE money whenever over-priced public school buildings are built.

  43. Josh says:

    @nicegirl,

    What made you think that I don’t “like” girls? Why would I be wasting my time on SA then? 😉

    Most of my posts have to do with why/how women proactively sabotage “relationships”, and why men should not attempt to have “relationships” with women in the current context of the fucked up laws in the western world.

  44. Jj says:

    “Oh good grief!” ‘Charlie Brown’
    …Jacob….SunShineSD…..’Beck’……perhaps the “Beck persona” has, yet again, infiltrated anew!!!! just say’n….
    “The Doctor is NOT in!” ‘Lucy’

  45. nicegirl says:

    @Josh… you might need to start “liking” girls in that case. She might kick your ass.

  46. Josh says:

    @FatB’StardSA

    “Why not have an arrangement with her then?”

    1. Too far. At least 1,200 miles away. If she were local I would have tried if #2 below did not apply.

    2. I will NEVER make an arrangement with a blog SB until I have decided to stop posting on the blog. 😉

    That said, she is pretty smart and has a goofy sense of humor, which I like too. So maybe when I have decided to say farewell to the blog, and we happen to be closer, then I may try.

  47. nicegirl says:

    @Jacob, what you are saying is crazy… I imaging what you are describing is demographical not segmented by age group alone. A hot 20 something living a comfortable life in the burbs, or a nice part of a thriving city is more than likely not going to find a scary drug dealer ex-con hot… sorry

  48. Jacob says:

    Elaine, your domicile in Europe may not have kept you apace with the reality facing the young generation in the US. For young male, drug dealing is the shortest path to becoming attractive to women in that age group! Most young attractive girls dating thugs (including drug dealers), bosses and professors do not need to sign up with SA. The latter two have been doing that for decades if no over 100 years. The fear of sexual harassment lawsuits have shifted some traffic to SA. Thugs, drug dealers, gang bangers etc. etc. have been getting all the kitties they want in the decade. . . far more so than perhaps even the sex, drugs and rocknroll culture in the 70’s. The ones pulling the hottest 20-24yo girls are usually somewhat older than the kitty donors themselves, by a decade or so, as they are the local drug kingpins, not yet incarcerated or killed.

  49. FatB'StardSA says:

    “I don’t know why Kms2014 plays down her looks. Maybe because she compares her today’s looks with her 20-something look. But she is gorgeous.”

    Why not have an arrangement with her then?

  50. nicegirl says:

    @Josh. Maybe it is because she is a humble person. That in and of itself can make an already attractive person that much more attractive.

  51. Josh says:

    I don’t know why Kms2014 plays down her looks. Maybe because she compares her today’s looks with her 20-something look. But she is gorgeous.

  52. nicegirl says:

    @Josh… Are you kidding? I am not too surprised. I suppose even prisoners need a sexual outlet while behind bars. That might be a privilege given for good behavior.. cyber sex.

  53. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Kms2014

    “I guess, you just get off on being the blog troll joke. Have fun with that, but would be nice to post in peace without your stalking my comments daily.”

    Since we are all into statistics on the blog I would be interested to know your percentage of blog post vs mine.

  54. FatB'StardSA says:

    A 40 year old Sofia Vegara would knock 90% (I get to use made up statistics too) of 20 year old women out of the water.

    A 20 year old Sofia Vegara would knock a 40 year old Sofia Vegara out of the water as well.*

    “You have no idea of what I look like, or what I offer…”

    This is true.

    “…so why all the vitriol?”

    We are all fair game on the blog!
    * I am assuming that Sofia Vegara has not had extensive plastic surgery in her later years.

  55. Josh says:

    @Jacob

    “I heard that one before, but never experienced it first-hand. Perhaps it’s time to show her that you can still pull in girls much younger than yourself, and get her excited about you. Perhaps have to divorce her first though. SA is a great tool for rehabbing after men lose their edge after spending too much in committed long term relationships where the emasculation of men turn the women off. IMHO, your “sabotage” theory may have a lot to do with husbands losing control in the post-modern marriage 2.0 environment and wives hating them for it. Women do not want to be mothers to their husbands.”

    Now this is non-toilet seat and interesting analysis. 😉

  56. Elaine says:

    @ FatB’StardSA

    “Strange that you and Kms2014 easily find young men willing to pay you and even younger men to date you. ”

    Hmmm,…yes I agree, following your theory it is unusual indeed…
    So we must be very exceptional than!!!! :-)

    Thank you for having put this under my attention again!
    I will immediately raise my allowance after this great discovery!

    Thanx…but really; thanx!

  57. nicegirl says:

    Kms… LMAO…

  58. Kms2014 says:

    Seriously, these age debates are getting so old. If it was such a hindrance, then I wouldn’t be in this lifestyle, but there is a niche market for men who want my age, so deal with it, fatty.

  59. nicegirl says:

    @FB… “How does a woman date a guy in prison. Just show up at prison’s dating department?”

    I thought there was a dating website for that… no? ;o)

  60. Jacob says:

    “Most, if not all, of those 22 year-old women have 22 year-old men as their projects.”

    That is certainly a possibility. However, time spent with the 32, 42, 52, 62 and 72 old men is still time unavailable to the 22yo project.

    “Most of the 42-72 year-old kitties have decided that they are pretty much set in marriage/relationship and don’t need to put out. That’s why most of those 42-72 year-old men are on SA.”

    I heard that one before, but never experienced it first-hand. Perhaps it’s time to show her that you can still pull in girls much younger than yourself, and get her excited about you. Perhaps have to divorce her first though. SA is a great tool for rehabbing after men lose their edge after spending too much in committed long term relationships where the emasculation of men turn the women off. IMHO, your “sabotage” theory may have a lot to do with husbands losing control in the post-modern marriage 2.0 environment and wives hating them for it. Women do not want to be mothers to their husbands.

  61. Kms2014 says:

    I guess, you just get off on being the blog troll joke. Have fun with that, but would be nice to post in peace without your stalking my comments daily.

  62. nicegirl says:

    @Jakob: “On SA, for the most part:
    An average 32 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.
    An average 42 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.
    An average 52 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.
    An average 62 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.
    An average 72 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.

    Is this true? Come on… maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. If the age is true, isn’t “above-average” when describing anything a pretty subjective thing? Your above-average and FB’s above-average are more than likely too completely different above-averages!

    While youth is important, I do believe most men would also like something between the ears otherwise time spent will become boring quickly.

  63. FatB'StardSA says:

    “How does a woman date a guy in prison. Just show up at prison’s dating department?”

    Read up on marriage proposals and death row inmates and you will find out.

  64. Kms2014 says:

    FB, you obviously are bothered by me, or you wouldn’t obsessively insult me(and other older ladies) almost daily. I even posted a quote by you expressing your feelings on how a 40 something Sofia Vegara would knock many 20 something’s out of the water. You have no idea of what I look like, or what I offer, so why all the vitriol? You seem to have something personal against me.

  65. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Elaine, Kms2014

    “In 2010 there were 30,672,088 females in age group 18 to 24 years in the USA.
    How many of them have a profile on SA… 1% – 2 %?

    Mwah….I think enough “kitties” left for all those 18 to 24yo old (xbox playing and drug dealing) guys…” How do you know who those “kitties” are dating IRL?

    “The average age people marry is close within their age range, so your Jacobian theories are no better than the sunshine theories, lol. When I see young couples out, almost all appear to be the same age…if you are speaking of affairs/or marriages, behind closed doors, with money involved, then the age disparity is greater.”

    You are dealing in the average population, which implies women who are average in appearance. The site is geared towards attractive younger women and SD’s can see what those women are interested in.

    It is sad when people try to use statistics without understand how to use them.

  66. Josh says:

    “try dating a guy in prison.”

    Hmmm,

    How does a woman date a guy in prison. Just show up at prison’s dating department?

  67. Kms2014 says:

    The average age people marry is close within their age range, so your Jacobian theories are no better than the sunshine theories, lol. When I see young couples out, almost all appear to be the same age…if you are speaking of affairs/or marriages, behind closed doors, with money involved, then the age disparity is greater.

  68. FatB'StardSA says:

    I think I am going to try an experiment and sign up as a gay SB. I bet I will have hundreds of offers from 20 year old SD’s. Maybe it’s time I changed teams and got pampered myself!

  69. Elaine says:

    In 2010 there were 30,672,088 females in age group 18 to 24 years in the USA.
    How many of them have a profile on SA… 1% – 2 %?

    Mwah….I think enough “kitties” left for all those 18 to 24yo old (xbox playing and drug dealing) guys…

    “Superjacob” will have a busy time rescueing them all those females from the horrible perspective of having fun and sex with their peers!

  70. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Kms2014

    I didn’t get upset when animal planet showed an episode on mermaids so why would I get upset about your fantasy blog posts. Life is short. If you want to fuck young good looking guys then go for it and sign up as a Sugar Momma or just be a Sugar Momma in real life. I have a feeling it is quite easy to find a guy who will let you take care of him in real life, if not try dating a guy in prison. You can get multiple BF’s without any of them knowing!

  71. Jacob says:

    @Elaine,
    At 22, most attractive young women are not interested in most of their peers, but only a select few among their peers. Since most 22yo men do not have that kind of leadership quality, 22yo attractive women dating older thugs, bosses and professors are quite common.

  72. Josh says:

    *why SA works for men…

  73. Josh says:

    @Jacob

    “@Josh,,

    For every 32, 42, 52, 62 and 72yo man hanging out with a 22yo, two things happen:

    1. a 22yo man is not getting the kitty at the same time, unless they are engaged in a 3-some.”

    This is why I used the term “warm toilet seat logic, theories and statistics.”

    Most, if not all, of those 22 year-old women have 22 year-old men as their projects. 😉

    “2. a 32, 42, 52, 62, or 72yo kitty is being ignored at the same time.”

    Note: I want to leave 32 year-old men and women alone in this post because people in that age group are pretty transient in their lives.

    Most of the 42-72 year-old kitties have decided that they are pretty much set in marriage/relationship and don’t need to put out. That’s why most of those 42-72 year-old men are on SA.

    “As you can see from the typical sugar dating age spread, at 22yo, the woman’s “market value” is quite a lot higher than that of a man of her own age.”

    Does not make any sense in the context of SA. You’d better have some money to play SD-SD.

    Note: My original post about why SA works for me is in the context of SA. Don’t go in and out of Sugarland from post to post.

  74. Kms2014 says:

    FB, your ageist rants are getting boring. No one cares! Blah, blah, blah…you say the same diatribe everyday because it bothers you sooo much that Elaine and I still attract arrangements. Get over it.

  75. Kms2014 says:

    So, ‘Jacob’ is SunshineSD….hmm…why this new persona, SunshineSD?

  76. Elaine says:

    “No worries KMS, no need to express sour grapes on that you can not attain anyway. If the man from 16+ years ago could have delivered financial security for life for you, plus his time commitment, in exchange for raising your own child, as was proposed in the plan, well, you would not be wasting time here on pointless personal attacks instead of working on your “well established” career.”

    Ehhhh……”Jacob” it was?
    How long before he starts his (20 x average!) babytalk?
    Wahahaha LOL

    Let’s take a bet how long he can resist! 😉

  77. Josh says:

    C’mon, stick with Jacob. I want to see where this persona of yours goes. 😉

    Please don’t mix it up with SunShineSD. I still like your gameplan. But it’s like a broken record on the SA blog.

  78. Josh says:

    @FatB’StardSA

    “Guys will lower their standards when it comes to having sex. When it comes to actually providing for a woman they are very picky.”

    Very true.

    On the other hand, women will continually attempt to increase their “standards” when it comes to having sex, and will assert that they loooooooooove sex, “just not with you.” 😉

  79. Jacob says:

    No worries KMS, no need to express sour grapes on that you can not attain anyway. If the man from 16+ years ago could have delivered financial security for life for you, plus his time commitment, in exchange for raising your own child, as was proposed in the plan, well, you would not be wasting time here on pointless personal attacks instead of working on your “well established” career.

  80. Elaine says:

    “Nobody would deny that an average 22yr old man is more attracted to an average 22yo woman than vice versa”

    Where does this information come from???

    As far as I know most young men and women feel VERY attracted to peers.
    Few young women genuinly fancy older men.
    Some only because they get money or gifts from them.
    These are so called Sugarbabies. 😉

    And I think Elaine, Kms2014, ygtobkm, NSANA (or whatever she uses) are not going to even WANT an allowance from Jacob! :-)

  81. FatB'StardSA says:

    Guys will lower their standards when it comes to having sex. When it comes to actually providing for a woman they are very picky. Unless you are young AND attractive you are going to have a hard time on the SA site as a SB.

  82. Josh says:

    I “love” how Jacob just ass-u-me-s that his assertions are undisputed. 😉

  83. Josh says:

    @Jacob,

    “Nobody would deny that an average 22yr old man is more attracted to an average 22yo woman than vice versa; yet, no 22yo man would infer from that he is undesirable at all.”

    Please allow me to correct your warm toilet seat logic, theories and statistics in the context of SA.

    I am sure that one of the SBs will tell me how she received tens of thousands of dollars from one, but an average 22 year-old man does not hang out on SA as SDs.

    Maybe he is OK with getting his share of the kitty by being a project for 22 year old women. Who knows?

    On SA, for the most part:

    An average 32 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.

    An average 42 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.

    An average 52 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.

    An average 62 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.

    An average 72 year-old man is more attracted to an above-average 22 year-old woman.

    Also, I have no clue what an 82 year-old man is more interested in. Maybe to see if he can double up on Viagra 100 mg and not die in the middle of the act with an above-average 22 year-old woman…

    or skip the Viagra dilemma and hold hands with another 82 year-old. I have no clue.

  84. Josh says:

    @NC Gent.

    Do you think that the blog SBs will pass up the opportunity to respond to Jacobian theories? 😉

  85. Jacob says:

    I don’t think there is even much disagreement here:

    Some blog ladies:
    1. women want sex too;
    2. people/women are turned on to a different degree by different partners in bed.

    Me:
    1. yes, there is a biological reason behind why women want sex too (sometimes even more than men of their own age for sex with opposite sex of the same age): in teen years, hormones hit girls before they hit boys; after mid to late 30’s, testosterone levels rise in women (just as they drop for men), so it would not surprise me if beyond a certain age women actually desire men of their own age more than vice versa.
    2. men repeating “men will have sex with any women” are simply subconsciously counting out the women they do not want to have sex with; otherwise why do married men pay to be on this site instead of getting milk for free at home. Yes, people/men-and-women are turned on to a different degree with different partners in bed.

    As you can see, there is no disagreement between the two sides. The (some) blog ladies know it instinctively, and I arrive at the same conclusions through logical deduction and evidence. Both sides are arguing against the assumption that women don’t want sex with anyone while men want any and all forms of sex with anyone, a false but common assumption that is probably derived from interacting with or pursuing almost exclusively women in their 20’s and experience very lop-sided supply-demand in non-sugar environment due to very low testosterone levels among women in their 20’s; mother nature’s way of making her gate-keep sex and reproduction during her most fertile years.

    BTW, even women in their 20’s want to have sex; the man just have to lead and give her reasons to want him.

  86. Kms2014 says:

    No one here is interested in Jacob/Sunshine’s baby farm, much less having anything to do with him on a personal level….plus, he is too old for me, lol!

    “People who boast about their I.Q. are losers.”

    -Stephen Hawking

  87. NC Gent says:

    It is best to ignore the trolls, flamers, shiza starters. They tend to go away if ignored.

  88. FatB'StardSA says:

    “I would also avoid sex with (never mind giving allowance to) those having IQ under 85, or under 110 but act like genius in their own minds and have a tendency to pontificate their poor logic.”

    I guess Elaine, Kms2014, ygtobkm, NSANA (or whatever she uses) are not going to get an allowance from Jacob.

  89. nicegirl says:

    This is so ridiculous it doesn’t even warrant a discussion… does it?

  90. Jacob says:

    I tried to be comprehensive and count 75+% of adult women in as sexual beings, instead of counting them out as most men do when they repeat “men just want to have sex with any women” (when they are really only thinking of 25% of adult female population or even narrower). It seemed to have triggered some pre-conceived notions and deep seated insecurities. Nobody would deny that an average 22yr old man is more attracted to an average 22yo woman than vice versa; yet, no 22yo man would infer from that he is undesirable at all. He would just go about his self-improvement that would make him more desirable in time.

  91. Josh says:

    I will just enjoy the “show” reading what SunShineSD had missed in his treatise. LOL!

  92. Jacob says:

    At age 10, girls are far more likely to be attracted to boys than vice versa.

    Some 70+ women are still attractive. Most women however can only manage to be more attractive than men of the same age than their own desire for vice versa in narrower window than 10-40: more like 15-35. 20 years out of an 80 yr life span. Beyond that, they are not all undesirable per se, just like a 25 yr old man is not undesirable per se, but her/his own desire for the opposite sex _of the same age_ exceed vice versa.

  93. nicegirl says:

    @ Jacob, I can’t believe I am going to say this but Josh is right…

    “I don’t agree with most what you say. I am sure you will soon get an earful from genius females with IQ under 110 and $35k/year millionaire women soon.”

    Minus the stupid female comment of course!

  94. Elaine says:

    @Jacob

    “It would not surprise me at all if women in their 40′s, 50′s, 60′s and 70′s want to have sex with men of their own age more than vice versa. Ironically, men are so far removed from thinking them as sexual beings that we do not even consider their existence when talking about male demand vs. female demand.”

    Oh really?
    Women in their 40ies are in the same “non desirable” demographic age group as women in their 70ies?

    Gosh…. so does that makes the “desirable” demographic ago group running from 10 to 40 then?
    I mean, what’s in 30 years of age difference anyway?

    Kind regards,

    A better knowing, 40+, 140+, 35000+, not sexually to be considered, female being.

  95. Jacob says:

    “most women are searching for Mr. Right.”

    That’s what men are conned into believing. The search for Mr. Right is not a innate biological drive, but behavior under previous social structure that rejected women behaving otherwise. Read up on “female reproductive imperative” and “AFBB” (alpha fux, beta bux): she finds a man with genes that other females would like (it can be as whimsical and absurd as a giant tail like the male peacock) in order to maximize the chance of her male offsprings (50% of her offsprings, statistically speaking) first when she is young then find a beta male who is willing to support the raising of someone else’ child later, if she can get away with it. The ostensible search for Mr. Right may well lead to divorce-raping Mr. Right under current law as the finishing touch (the ultimate form of rinsing, I suppose). The rise of “hookup culture” and “polyamory” is reflective of this societal transition, very much enabled by compliant betas to their own detriment.

  96. Josh says:

    @Jacob

    I don’t agree with most what you say. I am sure you will soon get an earful from genius females with IQ under 110 and $35k/year millionaire women soon.

    The reason? Your post has so many holes that they will feel right at home ripping it apart or use it as a “male perspective”. 😉

  97. Jacob says:

    “the number of women a man abhors sex with would be pretty small.”

    That’s what most people think at first glance, but not necessarily true upon closer examination:

    Most men abhor having sex with female under the age of 18 due to moral and legal ramifications; Most men also have a practical upper limit on most women, be it 65, 55, 45, or 35. These two requirements by themselves filter out the majority of the female population (female life expectancy being close to 85).

    I would also avoid sex with (never mind giving allowance to) those having IQ under 85, or under 110 but act like genius in their own minds and have a tendency to pontificate their poor logic; assertive men (even without the substance to back it up) may be hot in the eyes of some (if not most) women, but assertive women (esp. without substantial factual knowledge to back it up), well, that is not hot to most men or women (most women do not like assertive women either in private setting, even lesbians; most women hate other women who are competitive anyway despite their outward tendency to band together against men). Yes, whipped men do exist, and they have their right to enjoy their preferred sugar too, but it’s a very niche market for those trying to market a service.

    Another group I would avoid are wannabe elitists, the proverbial $30k/yr income “millionaire”: making less than 200% of average household income but look down upon other average Americans for their shopping and living habits. Those candidates are just too high maintenance, with an attitude problem that causes themselves difficulties in life financially and socially, which you’d have to fix at high cost to yourself yet diminished return to them, whether in normal dating or sugaring. There are plenty other down-to-earth girls who do not make their own lives more difficult than they have to be.

    Those having flimsy grasp on reality, liking to twist reality for arguments’ sake, etc. etc. are obviously to avoid (I’m trying to avoid the more charged adjectives like “psychotic” or “crazy”). After all, none of us want a false rape or sexual assault charge thrown our way.

    Notice, up to this point, we have not even touched the issue of beauty, for which a “6+” requirement means eliminating 60% of whatever demographic.

    After all these filters are done, only a tiny minority of the female population is left as eligible/desirable at all; that’s before comparing to the cash value of the allowance itself. So it’s no surprise that for an average SB, it takes a while to find an SD.

    Sex demand from male for female in the same age group is much higher than vice versa among the college and 20’s crowd. Such lopsidedness is not generally true for the other age groups. There is a reason why historically in almost all cultures, it’s the parents of the daughters that have/had to give a dowry in marriage. There may be evolutionary reasons why women in their 20’s have low testosterone: they are the gate keepers on reproduction. For the other age groups, which constitute the bulk of human population, gate keeping is irrelevant. It would not surprise me at all if women in their 40’s, 50’s, 60’s and 70’s want to have sex with men of their own age more than vice versa. Ironically, men are so far removed from thinking them as sexual beings that we do not even consider their existence when talking about male demand vs. female demand.

    We are only turned on by those we find hot; that’s a truism for both sexes.

  98. Ricky says:

    @drg and Josh: Could not agree more. What I do enjoy at this point of my life is the ability to recognize these ploys very, very early on and react accordingly. What’s sad from a man’s perspective is they need to get fleeced a few times before these realties sink in.

  99. Josh says:

    @drg

    There is a name for such women: “rinsers.”

    Unfortunately way too many women fall into that category at SA and similar sites. Their purpose in life is to get money for nothing from men. :(

  100. drg says:

    All I can say is, if you are a gal, please don’t ask me for things before we have even met. I’ve had this happen to me a few times, and it is a major turn-off. An arrangement is all about a stress free partnership for me, so texting me that you are desperate to pay your rent before we have even met is going to make me run. An arrangement is ALL about comfort and compatibility for the guy and gal. It is completely inappropriate to start asking for things until a mutual connection has been forged.

  101. Josh says:

    Why does SA work for men?

    There is a fake demand for women in the real world. Most men want to bang multiple women and most women are searching for Mr. Right. This compounds the problem of fake demand.

    SA works for men because the men-to-women ratio is in line with the imaginary number of women they wanted to bang in real life, and most women here are not looking for their Mr. Right.

    If the men-to-women ratio goes significantly down then this site would be kaput. 😉

  102. Josh says:

    Men need sex so much thst yhey are willing to pay for it.

    Women “need” sex so much that they have to get it for free from some specific guy, and at time must get paid for that “need”/”love”/”desire”. 😉

  103. Alexis says:

    @Josh
    “Regardless of what kind of sugar arrangements you are in or are interested in, I admire you clarity of thought about the sugar space.

    Please post more often as time permits.”
    That’s so nice of you to say, thank you. It seems pretty simplistic to me.

    @Zack
    “Is it unreasonable to want to be desired for more than just money? I’d like to think this isn’t the right site for just “transactional” ambitions. Relationship and “click” matter, too. At least for some. Yeah, I’d like something longer term.”
    No, it’s never unreasonable to “want” something. What may be unreasonable is who or where you want it from.

    @nicegirl
    “I am in a relationship with a man that enjoys my company in and out of the bedroom. We enjoy spending time with one another. It is truly unfortunate that others cannot accept that some men do like women for more than just sex.”
    This really perplexes me because I could have SWORN you were the one who wanted eclusivity from potential SDs, strange.

    “Women can be great company to other women, children and elderly, but unless there is business, non-profit, religious, etc., reason is involved then sans sex women are horrible company. 😉

    The primary reasons men in the wstern world tolerate women are sex and children.”
    This was perfectly clear to me. It’s a shame that it’s become so for men here. I hope that at least eventually there will be some type of societal shift to alter this. Until this, women will be just as miserable as they make men.

  104. nicegirl says:

    and the wheel keeps spinning… round and round and round and round…..

  105. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    “Is it possible to abhor sex with certain men(past or present),”

    Yes it is possible. BUT the number of women a man abhors sex with would be pretty small.

    “yet crave it with others?”

    Yes, with a tiny number of men.

    “Hmm….does that mean sex, in general, is despised,”

    “Abhor”, “despised”, “hate”, etc., are too strong words. I don’t know if I have ever used such words to describe women’s lack of proactive interest in sex. If I did then I was wrong. Such words are typically used by women to quickly take the argument into the realm of ridiculousness.

    “or the person with whom the sex is being had, is the issue?”

    Again, that number would be big for women and small for men.

    “Does someone hate all mexican food because they hate Taco Bell? Or, is there a good tex mex place down the way that hits the spot just right…”

    Going with your food reference men like tex-mex regardless of where they can get it. Women will look for the one outfit that “hits the spot”, only to resent the very outfit when sabotage kicks in; sooner or later. 😉

  106. BrownSugar_Vy says:

    Aaaaand KMS takes this round.

  107. Kms2014 says:

    Is it possible to abhor sex with certain men(past or present), yet crave it with others? Hmm….does that mean sex, in general, is despised, or the person with whom the sex is being had, is the issue? Does someone hate all mexican food because they hate Taco Bell? Or, is there a good tex mex place down the way that hits the spot just right….

  108. Josh says:

    @Ricky

    “I would never suggest women as a whole do not enjoy sex but there are plenty that do not.”

    It would be ludicrous to suggest that every single woman on the face of earth abhors sex. Some may as well enjoy it more than men. However, most don’t.

    Then why do those who don’t enjoy sex claim that they do?

    The reason is simple. If they claimed that they don’t enjoy sex then they will have really hard time attracting a man. 😉

  109. Kms2014 says:

    @KMS “In my opinion, women who view sex as a transactional experience, with someone whom they do not have a true sexual attraction to, probably do not ‘perform’ as well….”

    I would beg to differ. I know women that get off on the p2p as much as the guy and the money is a side bonus. Personally, I enjoy sex enough that if I even considered sleeping with the man, I’ll make sure to enjoy myself when it’s time for the deed to be done. I’m not really into p2p, as I’m married and already do that on a regular basis.

    @lucyanna, I get what you are saying, but you missed the part about, and I was focusing on…’with whom they do not have a true sexual attraction to’…If it is only about the money, and no attraction to the man, then I seriously doubt she performs at her best, or enjoys herself fully. Just my opinion….

  110. Ricky says:

    @ Nicegirl …………… No offense taken. I’m simply after passion and nothing more. I have had zero problems finding what I seek on this site.

  111. Josh says:

    For rinsers P4P = prostitution. 😉

  112. Josh says:

    Do not worry, I always play “hard to get”, legally. 😉

  113. Josh says:

    Yes, it is re-interpreted “rape” and I have been wise enough so far to not get me entangled in such scenario.

  114. nicegirl says:

    @Josh. the way you describe it – that is rape that the woman would be prosecuting you for wether you see it that way or not. So walk away if you are not being openly received… That was my point.

  115. nicegirl says:

    @ Ricky, I was not trying to insult you, it was just a question. I wondered what the thought was from the mans prospective on a P4P type of arrangement.

  116. Ricky says:

    @ Nicegirl ……. every single sexual encounter I have ever had in my entire life was all about pleasing the woman. Remove that and I might as well just pleasure myself watching porn.

  117. Lucyanna says:

    @Nicegirl and @Josh

    There is a huge difference in No and ‘hard to get.’ I can play hard to get without saying no, and that man knows what’s happening.

    @KMS “In my opinion, women who view sex as a transactional experience, with someone whom they do not have a true sexual attraction to, probably do not ‘perform’ as well….”

    I would beg to differ. I know women that get off on the p2p as much as the guy and the money is a side bonus. Personally, I enjoy sex enough that if I even considered sleeping with the man, I’ll make sure to enjoy myself when it’s time for the deed to be done. I’m not really into p2p, as I’m married and already do that on a regular basis.

    I don’t remember who said it, and I’m to lazy to look again, but women begin producing more testosterone a lot sooner than you think, and that’s why women in their 40’s are considered to be in their sexual prime.

  118. Josh says:

    *she was vilolated.

  119. Josh says:

    Unless a woman is will to write an affidavit that “whatever happens between me and him is part of sexual tension, and should not be taken in any legal context whatsoever”, I am not willing to expose myself to some random woman’s whims, who could change her mind several days after the fact, that whe was violated.

  120. Josh says:

    Sorry. Too much legal exposure for me. If woman cannot decide if she wants it or not, I am NOT going to risk going to jail for her bullshit.

  121. nicegirl says:

    Sometimes playing hard to get is more about the build up of sexual tension between two people. The more they resist and let that tension build the more explosive the sexual encounter can be. This is assuming they have good chemistry to begin with.

  122. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    I prefer to take things on face value. For example, if a woman says no, that’s no for me. I am not goig to second guess if the no may have meant yes. Too risky, legally speaking.

  123. Kms2014 says:

    Women might pretend they are not interested or disinterested in sex….as a hard to get tactic, of sorts. Just like they act aloof with men, at times, even if interested. Most men prefer a challenge as it awakens their primal instinct to ‘win’. Not a game, but makes things exciting….However, most women I know lurve sex just as much as men….that is why we were made to orgasm as well. Pleasure for both sides 😉

  124. Josh says:

    @Kms2014, if you’re an exception then please don’t rub it in to those who aren’t. 😉

  125. nicegirl says:

    I agree with Kms, most women perform better when they are comfortable with their partner and passion is there. Not sure that can be achieved easily if you meet, pay her then fuck her. May I ask, since you pay them each meeting is that meeting all about your sexual needs? or do you please your partner in return?

  126. Kms2014 says:

    In my opinion, women who view sex as a transactional experience, with someone whom they do not have a true sexual attraction to, probably do not ‘perform’ as well…..In arrangements, I think if you take away the money aspect, per meet, and make the relationship feel spontaneous, and have true sexual desire for your partner, and know what you are doing, then….are those too many factors. Seems simple, but then again, I rarely have bad sex, so don’t understand this boring/bad sex buisness. When I was younger, I didn’t know what I was doing as much, but if you have a kind man, who is willing to teach or share experiences, then….this is just my viewpoint. I can respect that there are different arrangements that works for others’, but p2p just seems so businesslike….

  127. FatB'StardSA says:

    Looks like we are back to GPS posts. The cycle continues.

  128. Kms2014 says:

    Well, I shouldn’t say more testosterone…just feels that way, lol. I think women make less as they age…but the drive is certainly higher.

  129. Ricky says:

    @ Kms2014 ……..I’ve met all kinds here and the one’s I stick with absolutely enjoy our time together. I would never suggest women as a whole do not enjoy sex but there are plenty that do not. Thankfully I think those in in the minority on this site.

  130. Kms2014 says:

    I love sex…in my opinion, from what some of my female friends tell me, then they do as well. One of my female friends called me the other day, in tears, because her husband has been refusing sex with her….he might be having an affair, or has lost interest in her sexually, but think if she truly hated sex, then she would be happy–she didn’t sound happy.

    Perhaps, it is more the over 30’s set, as we have more testosterone! Lol! But, still loved it in my 20’s, so dunno…

  131. Ricky says:

    @ Josh ……this is why I only consider p2p as it limits my exposure. I stopped trying to figure out what goes on in a woman’s head decades ago and have no interest in “working” with them in the hopes things reach a comfortable/fulfilling level for both of us. In a SD/SB arrangement they get one chance and if they are not rocking my world ……… I’m out.

  132. Kms2014 says:

    Oh gosh…rolling my eyes, lol! Most women hate sex, most women sabotage, most women ‘derka, derka, derka, derka!’–insert any false notion you wish. Hahaha! 😉

  133. Ricky says:

    @ Sweetie ….. if it is lackluster for her she is frigid and that’s all there is to it.

  134. Josh says:

    “Ricky, it takes two to tango. Give it a few tries and see if it gets better. If it’s lackluster for you, it probably is for her, too. Talk about it, tell her what you like, ask her what she likes etc.”

    @Ricky, and make sure that you live up to your end of the “bargain” regardless of what. Otherwise, you would be violating her.

    The truth is that most women are NOT interested in sex (exception exists) bit they WILL NOT acknowledge it. Acknowledging that fact tremendously reduces their marketablility. 😉

  135. Josh says:

    @Ricky

    It seems that you did not get the memo.

    If a woman makes an appearance few feet from the bed the arrangement money is due. 😉

  136. sweetie says:

    Ricky, it takes two to tango. Give it a few tries and see if it gets better. If it’s lackluster for you, it probably is for her, too. Talk about it, tell her what you like, ask her what she likes etc.

  137. Josh says:

    *Women are master victim players and have been getting away with it, for waaaaay too long.

  138. Josh says:

    If a woman was sitting on the beach, in her car, in her home, etc, and someone violates her, it’s a legal issue. He/she/they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of law.

    Similarly, if a man is sitting on the beach, in his car, in his home, etc, and someone violates hm, it’s a legal issue. He/she/they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of law.

    If a woman makes an arrangement and the man scams her, it’s not the same thing. He should be identified and blacklisted from the sugar community.

    If a man makes an arrangement and the woman scams him, it’s not the same thing. She should be identified and blacklisted from the sugar community.

    However, I doubt that there is any mechanism or even interest from SA in doing so.

    Women are master victim players and have been getting away from it.

  139. Ricky says:

    Regarding “test driving” ………. suppose a SD/SB arrangement reaches the point of intimacy and for whatever reason, it simply doesn’t click for the SD. (I think we have all been in relationships that are fantastic UNTIL they reach the bedroom). What is he supposed to do? Stick around just because the SB might feel scorned? For me ……… I’d run for the hills ASAP. In these arrangements there can be zero tolerance for an underwhelming intimate experience.

  140. Kms2014 says:

    @nicegirl…oh yes, I forgot 😉 FB also thinks all woman, on SA, are desperate for cash…and do not have a career…

  141. nicegirl says:

    @Kms, it is only the woman’s body that is worthless. The man’s body has value because it has to “make the money” :)

  142. Kms2014 says:

    I’m sorry, should have said, you mean someone’s body and state of mind(feeling violated) has no worth to you. Stay away from SD’s who regard you as nothing but a commodity…or, less than one, since you are worth less than money in their equation, as your vagina is still in tact, once they are ‘done’ with you 😉

  143. nicegirl says:

    There is a place for all interests here, not everyone is going to fit into the same round hole. If you are looking for p4p, a purely sexual arrangement with a hot 20 something, a companion for loneliness, a romantic arrangement that is desecrate, etc. If you look you will find another that is looking for the same.

  144. Kms2014 says:

    Yes, because someone’s body is worthless and only money has value. What a nonsensical point you make–yet again.

  145. FatB'StardSA says:

    “Is easier to replace money than a woman being scammed for sex, and then he poofs on her, after the ‘test drive’.”

    A SB’s vagina does not disappear after being scammed for sex. When the SD is scammed the money is gone. If it was so easy to replace money then you would not be on the site would you?Stay away form any SB who has GPS.

  146. Kms2014 says:

    @Ricky, yes agree with that, most definitely. In fact, the less I have to talk about money/allowance(if at all), the better….it ruins the mood and such. I meant, at some point, if both people agree they want to proceed, is best to get the expectations part over with, so that later on, there are no misunderstandings and only enjoyment for both involved. If you have to continually bring things up, or ask what the relationship is/should be, from either party, then probably is not very romantic for the man or woman.

  147. Ricky says:

    @ Kms2014: Totally agree. It baffles me to see so many people treating these arrangements like a dating site. Perhaps it’s just human nature and the unease in which people cannot fully express themselves to the opposite sex until they get to know them. IMO the only way to succeed in getting what you want out an arrangement is be as up front as possible. I’m not suggesting everything gets spelled out in the first e-mail/chat exchange but certainly over the first face to face. I always make the first encounter a simple one over coffee or tea. If I like the SB and I feel she is worthy of my hard earned cash I’ll let her know I want and expect. If that differs from what she wishes then we part ways and we both move on to the next possible suitor.

  148. Kms2014 says:

    The best arrangements are where the expectations are clearly made, from the beginning….to stay in a state of ‘getting to know each other’ or ‘figuring things out later, once the relationship has been more established’, is not the best scenario for the woman, or man, really, in the long run. Even if both parties have the purest intentions, things can get confusing and misunderstood, in those types of scenarios…only, due to personal experience do I say this. In theory, it sounds great to let things progress naturally, but in arrangements, this natural progression might be interpreted differently from each individual, so there is room for confusion. Am a proponent of laying everything out on the table and it being like a regular relationship, but with clearly defined expectations, from both parties…of course, anything extra each person gives in the relationship….well, is like regular dating in that if both people give above and beyond, and are looking to please their partner, then it is a win win. However, in arrangements, I feel there must be a baseline to start with, so that trust is given. Is easier to replace money than a woman being scammed for sex, and then he poofs on her, after the ‘test drive’.

  149. nicegirl says:

    For a long term sugar relationship to be successful both parties should feel like their expectations are being met and hopefully exceeded. The SB should be getting to know the SD and really understanding what it is that he needs and what he is looking for out of the arrangement (beyond the obvious). The if the SD is happy and feeling like his needs are being met and hopefully more, then he should be generous and make the SB feel cared for and taken care of. For me it should begin organically with no pressure.

    I have been in an allowance type of arrangement and the true “pampering” type. I prefer the pampering over a set allowance, Just my personal preference.

  150. 42SWM says:

    “I think every relationship will have different needs and desires. Being totally upfront is key so there is little room for disappointment. No one can put an actual time on when you should be intimate. However i don’t think there should be pressure applied to hop into bed simply because a benefactor is giving sugar. Things should flow naturally if there is true chemistry.”—Sbsundae

    @Sbsundae:

    Why is only one person receiving sugar? Why shouldn’t the allowance flow naturally if there is true chemistry?

    So long as the SB isn’t also pressuring for sugar, I agree. However your statement isn’t very mutual.

    Things a SD should be willing to do:
    (1) Be patient to see if there is real chemistry between the two individuals (i.e. spend enough time with the SB to get to know them)
    (2) Pay for the expenses of dates while they figure things out

    Things that a SD should not be asked/expected to do unless there is a mutually beneficial arrangement:
    (1) provide an allowance
    (2) provide gifts outside of normal dating type gifts (i.e. flowers)
    (3) spend time doing things that the SD doesn’t enjoy doing with someone they aren’t sleeping with.

  151. 42SWM says:

    @nicegirl, deception is definitely a two-way street but the prototypical douche SD is more easily (and quickly) weeded out than the “rinsers” Josh talks about. Paradoxically, the worse rinsers say so many of the right things, and thus it takes multiple meetings to be weeded out by an SD constrained by chivalry who makes a genuine attempt to see things from the other persons point of view.

  152. nicegirl says:

    @42SWM
    “Bottom line, sugar will be reduced to P2P unless both sides are both smart enough and dedicated enough to make it otherwise. Ironically, many SB’s who say that they are opposed to P2P ultimately drive things towards P2P by demanding their sugar without regard to the concept of mutual benefit.”

    Very well stated. I shouldn’t be surprised but I am for some reason when I see that there are so many SB’s that expect to be spoiled by a man but don’t intend on a sexual exchange. I do think it is better if there is a mutual attraction or it won’t last for long and the sex can’t be good for either of them. When I first got on SA I received more messages for P2P or from men that were really not in a financial situation to be an SD. I know the deception is a two way street which makes both sides much more cautious.

  153. 42SWM says:

    Sugar works best when both parties treat the other to more than the minimum, i.e. SBs treat the SD as more than a wallet and SDs treat the SB as more than a sexual object. However, this does presume a certain baseline. Are there men out there trying to trick naive ladies into intercourse without any intention of sexual intimacy? Sure, but those guys know that they are being douches. What about the converse? Women who try to get as much money from a guy knowing that they have no intention of ever giving the guy what got him interested in the first place. She may even be sincerely self-righteous about it, where the male version knows that he scum.this does get back to game theory/prisoners dilemma.

    The optimal outcome is when both sides give the other what they want. However, worst outcome is to give the other side what they want with the other side not reciprocating. This leads to the negative outcome of both sides backstabbing the other.

    Thus the only way to avoid a “transactional feel” to things is if both sides only assert their wants why providing for the wants of the other roughly simultaneously. When one side pushes their wants without also providing for the other side’s wants, it will force the non-pushing side to either be taken advantage of, or to be more explicit about the need for mutual exchange.

    Bottom line, sugar will be reduced to P2P unless both sides are both smart enough and dedicated enough to make it otherwise. Ironically, many SB’s who say that they are opposed to P2P ultimately drive things towards P2P by demanding their sugar without regard to the concept of mutual benefit.

  154. Elaine says:

    My God, what is it that so many people on this site don’t seem to understand in the word “mutual” as in “mutual beneficial”?!

    I am really shocked by the 70% SB reacting this way to a very reasonable sounding SD as Obiwantuan!

    And it only strenghtens my thoughts about the real numbers of serious SB and SD on this site. A very big part is pro’s, tirekickers, frauds and flakes, on both sides.

    And no FatB. that is not complaining, as long as I can find what I am looking for I don’t complain.
    It is just a simple conclusion, and not only made by me.

  155. Josh says:

    @nicegirl

    “You are an absolute idiot…”

    That’s debatable.

    What’s for sure is that you’re in a “relationship” where your xbox player is not able to pay your (maybe his own) bills and you’re on SA to seek an older fool. 😉

  156. 42SWM says:

    Josh is right in idenyifying the double standard. Also, there is a difference between saying a SD is only looking for sex and saying that the sugar and sex are linked if the arrangement is to be mutually beneficial.

  157. Ricky says:

    I have been on this site for about four months now and am currently involved in two identical arrangements. Both are p4p and the only thing we do is meet each other and bang away a few times per month each. No dinners, no dates, no gifts ……… just p4p. I have communicated with probably (15) women over the course of four months and all but one were eager to begin the same arrangement. The one that was not was under the impression she was somehow worth …. and was holding out hope for some dope to give her $5K per month in an allowance. It’s of my opinion the arrangements I am involved in and will settle for nothing less are in abundance on this site. In fact I don’t even portray any illusions to the women that I respond to anymore. I lay out what I want, what I expect and what’s in it for them. The end result ? The line starts around the corner …………

  158. nicegirl says:

    You are an absolute idiot…

  159. Josh says:

    What would happen if I posted a message for SDs similar to:

    I am new to this site and I want to find an SB who respects me for who I am, sleeps with me, and does not demand money until I am emotionally ready to give it to her?

    The SDs would first give me a belly laugh, then give me an electronic slap, and will tell me that there’s no such thing as play without pay.

    However, day after day, week after week and month after month SBs ask similar questions, and they are emphatically responded to by scores of SBs and some clueless SDs alike.

    What’s up with that?

  160. Josh says:

    @Obiwantuan,

    The oft-repeated reference to escorts is a calculated smoke and mirrors created by the overwhelming majority of rinsers here at SA.

    Yes, the 27 out of 35 (which means 77%) of them who wanted thousands of dollars from you for a platonic “relationship” are rinsers who have no intention of engaging in any mutually beneficial arrangement.

    They take older men for a fool and then cry bloody murder when their bluff is called.

    Thanks for sharing the data.

  161. Obiwantuan says:

    Correction, only 27 said I was crazy.

  162. Obiwantuan says:

    I have been on SA for a month now and finally found two arrangements that I wanted. I was interested in actual dates before heading back to my place for sex.

    I contacted and traded messages with 35 women on here. I did not contact anyone who mentioned on their profiles they wanted a platonic arrangement.

    Two of the 35 were actually interested in going to dinner, a show, or doing something they normally could not afford. They are both gorgeous and although they asked for a modest allowance I offered more than they asked for just because I liked them and would of felt guilty. They obviously did not do the research that I did when I decided to get into this, maybe this was foolish of me but I feel good about it.

    Six of the women were only interested in meeting at my place for sex. Although they were all attractive, its just not what I wanted.

    Twenty-eight of the women I traded messages with, although they ALL said they wanted a mutually beneficial arrangement to satisfy both our needs in there profile. They all expressed shock when I mentioned I would expect sex during the arrangement after we had gone out a couple of times to get to know one another before beginning the arrangement. They all told me I was a jerk for not treating them like a lady and told me a real SD/SB relationship is I give them thousands per month for an allowance and shopping and in return they would have dinner with me…LOL how is this beneficial to me?

    I can honestly say there are two truisms on this site…
    1. Women are here for money, every single one of them will want this without exception
    2. Men are here for sex, unless that part of them no longer functions.

    Arrangements would be so much easier if everyone understood those two things, you can always add on to those two truisms to make your arrangement better but its very unlikely you will get an arrangement without both!

  163. Josh says:

    Yet another blogger who makes her appearance by taking a pot shot on Josh. Yawn!

  164. Ambrosia says:

    I am convinced after reading most of the blogs on SA that Josh is a sub that “tops from the bottom” who likes to be humiliated and also gets off on arguing with women.

    I think the SB who have taken on Josh and argued with him should be compensated for their time.

    Josh you have been a naughty naughty naughty little boy. You are also rather insecure and dull. I wonder why the women humour you as they do? You both love and detest them don’t you?

    So sad.

  165. Josh says:

    Rhetorical question:

    How many heterosexual men and women feel perfectly alright to visit a homosexual blog and try to tell them how their lifestyle should be like?

  166. BrownSugar_Vy says:

    Well, this sure has escalated quickly from my last visit.

  167. Josh says:

    I am a very smart woman, I graduated from a good college”

    Why a “very smart woman” graduated from “a good college” needs to resort to sugar?

  168. Josh says:

    Let’s look at Nicegirl’s sugar situation.

    She is “in a relationship with a man that enjoys my company in and out of the bedroom. We enjoy spending time with one another.”

    The question is: Why is she looking for sugar then? 😉

  169. nicegirl says:

    Why would I withhold sex from someone I care about and enjoy being with? Sounds like your situation not mine…

  170. nicegirl says:

    @ Elaine, We are dealing with a passive aggressive man who has been hurt in the past so believes that all women do that same as his past situation. I don’t know that I have ever encountered anyone quite like it… Did you interpret his words different than I did? I am a very smart woman, I graduated from a good college and I do in fact understand the English language… Am I missing something from words like “The primary reasons men in the wstern world tolerate women are sex and children.” Sounds pretty straight forward to me.

    You can’t reason with crazy

  171. Josh says:

    @nicegirl

    “I am in a relationship with a man that enjoys my company in and out of the bedroom.”

    Withhold sex for six months and then report how much he enjoys your “company.”

    Next! 😉

  172. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl

    Thanks for the direct quote. You have no ability to interpret what I write. So I would appreciate direct quotes in the future.

    That said, what I wrote and what you interpreted are miles apart. 😉

  173. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    I respect your ability to arrangement with the choice SDs.

    However, your assessment of women’s “smartness” is lacking. 😉

  174. Josh says:

    Above is the classic example of the conversation many man-hating women constantly have in their head.

    The man closest to them continues to get heat for the wrongs he doesn’t know that he committed or ever even thought about committing. 😉

  175. Elaine says:

    @ Josh @ Nicegirl

    I really se no reason why Nicegirl should’t find an SD, or is not fitted to the sugar lifestyle!

    She seems like a nice and smart lady who’s thoughts not seem to differ far from mine, so why not?

  176. nicegirl says:

    I am in a relationship with a man that enjoys my company in and out of the bedroom. We enjoy spending time with one another. It is truly unfortunate that others cannot accept that some men do like women for more than just sex.

  177. nicegirl says:

    Josh says:
    August 8, 2014 at 3:56 pm
    @Nicegirl

    “She is looking for a man that enjoys her company besides only in a sexual capacity.”

    Women can be great company to other women, children and elderly, but unless there is business, non-profit, religious, etc., reason is involved then sans sex women are horrible company. 😉

    The primary reasons men in the wstern world tolerate women are sex and children.

  178. Josh says:

    “who thinks women are put on this earth to have sex and babies period (I believe those were your actual words).”

    Another figment of someone’s imagination. Never said that. 😉

  179. nicegirl says:

    Josh… I could care less what you think of me and I have nothing to prove to you. You are the one that is clueless on women and life in general. So please continue to give advice, I just hope that the SB’s you are giving advice to realize you are a self professed woman hater who thinks women are put on this earth to have sex and babies period (I believe those were your actual words). You have no respect for women therefore you believe any woman that expects to be treated respectfully must be living in a dream land. I honestly think you are delusional. Please stop bringing me up in your crazy posts. I don’t want to be associated with you and I will do the same. Thank you!

  180. Josh says:

    @Lucyann

    Nicegirl has no clue what the sugar lifestyle is all about. She whines about things she has not understanding of AND I doubt she has had, has or will have any SD in her life.

    She should be on Match to try to get a rich guy, and squeeze his balls to perform according to her beck and call.

    Sugar is not for her. 😉

  181. Josh says:

    @Sbsundae

    “No one can put an actual time on when you should start getting allowance. However i don’t think there should be pressure applied to get any kind of allowance simply because a woman is hopping in bed with a man.”

    I would totally agree with you if the above is equally true?

    However women have not qualms about getting favor for nothing from men. Only when women are asked to reciprocate, that’s when the hell breaks lose, God is called to intervene, standards and morals are brought up, etc., etc., etc. 😉

  182. Sbsundae says:

    I think every relationship will have different needs and desires. Being totally upfront is key so there is little room for disappointment. No one can put an actual time on when you should be intimate. However i don’t think there should be pressure applied to hop into bed simply because a benefactor is giving sugar. Things should flow naturally if there is true chemistry.

  183. nicegirl says:

    I am not sure that I have actually. My point was not directed at me personally, Just an observation of SA in general and agreeing with Elaine’s statement about the fine line.

  184. Lucyanna says:

    @nicegirl

    I think you have just had different experiences then me. There are plenty of guys looking for transactional meetings, but they are easy to weed out because they are usually upfront about it. And I know other women that have used those to ensure their bills get paid. A friend of mine has a regular guy that she sees for this reason, but still enjoys the lifestyle that an actual sugar relationship can give her. But there are PLENTY of men that want everything that sugar has to offer.

  185. Lucyanna says:

    @Elaine
    ABSOLUTELY! That is the line between them. I think that is a very good distinction.

  186. Lucyanna says:

    @Josh
    I definitely agree with you. Women tend to become complacent. I constantly harass my friends for this very reason. There is no reason to not still treat your husband the way you did the day after you married him and if there is then maybe you shouldn’t be married anymore.

    What exactly do you mean by ‘Sabotage’?

  187. Elaine says:

    “Why on Earth would you want to spend time with a man that you don’t want to have sex with? Even if he’ll pay your bills, it’s not worth being miserable over.”

    I very much agree, and I think here is also the line between sugar and prostitution !

  188. Josh says:

    @Lucyanna

    “I do all kinds of things for my husband to get what I want, just like most of my married friends.”

    That’s the way marriage should be. However, after X period of time women start acting as if since 50% of his stuff is legally theirs, they don’t need to actively please him anymore.

    Sabotage is thus firmly in place and it becomes a matter of time before…

  189. Lucyanna says:

    OK, so I went through and read some of these comments and holy cannoli people!
    The idea that a sugar relationship is just sex for money isn’t completely ridiculous. Ladies, stop lying to yourselves. Why on Earth would you want to spend time with a man that you don’t want to have sex with? Even if he’ll pay your bills, it’s not worth being miserable over.

    As a married SB, I can definitely say every marriage is at least some kind of sugar relationship. I do all kinds of things for my husband to get what I want, just like most of my married friends. In sugar we make choices about who we will spend our time with and what we will do to get what we want.

    I want a man that enjoys the activities I do, things my husband won’t do with me, but I’m damn sure not going to spend my time and effort on a man who I don’t want to have sex with, that’s just sad.

  190. Josh says:

    The chick on this blog is HOT!

  191. Josh says:

    “What would you say to a SD who is looking for a SB that enjoys his company without the financial aspect? Probably tell him to sign up for a dating website.”

    I missed this angle. This is why I call FB the quickest SB bullshit detector. LOL!

  192. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl

    “She is looking for a man that enjoys her company besides only in a sexual capacity.”

    Women can be great company to other women, children and elderly, but unless there is business, non-profit, religious, etc., reason is involved then sans sex women are horrible company. 😉

    The primary reasons men in the wstern world tolerate women are sex and children.

  193. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Nicegirl

    Wait till FlyR goes off his medication and starts posting. You may reconsider following his advise after that.

    “She is looking for a man that enjoys her company besides only in a sexual capacity”

    What would you say to a SD who is looking for a SB that enjoys his company without the financial aspect? Probably tell him to sign up for a dating website.

    @Alexis

    “It seems to me that some SBs on this site should be on regular dating sites. I really don’t mean that offensively, but it just seems like there’s so much emotion stirring around here on the part of the SBs as if this were “regular” type of dating. As if they want it ALL – looks, personality, AND money. I mean come on lol… really now. Just where does all of this entitlement come from?”

    I find it odd that the older SB’s who have an easy time finding arrangements with multiple younger, attractive SD’s also moan about the low quality of men on the site. You would think they would be singing the praises of SA to everyone. I guess they expect a site filled with billionaire Brad Pitt clones who are looking to give an allowance because they cannot find a woman their own age IRL.

  194. Zack says:

    Alexis,

    Is it unreasonable to want to be desired for more than just money? I’d like to think this isn’t the right site for just “transactional” ambitions. Relationship and “click” matter, too. At least for some. Yeah, I’d like something longer term.

    Just a thought.

  195. Josh says:

    @Eloquence

    “@ Josh

    Nothing new UNDER the Heavens”

    Why would anything new be under the Heavens? Just because a female exercises her wishful thinking, must the Heavens oblige?

  196. Josh says:

    Since Nicegirl would not discuss standards, would Alexis or anyone else like to indulge in what common “standards” are out there so that we may discuss/debunk them for everyone’s edification? 😉

  197. Nicegirl says:

    Did my last comment sound ungrateful and rude? The person that answers “yes” is in the first option of thinkers here and if your answer is “no” then you are in the second option of thinkers here.

    I believe that is why there is so much bickering on this blog. Option 1 thinkers are not willing to believe there are other ways of living. Believe it or not there is more than one way to tie your shoes, even at Walmart.

    Have a great night everyone ;o)

  198. Nicegirl says:

    Josh, I can’t speak for others standards as they vary based on each individual person. I will not share my personal standards with you so that they can be challenged and I be told that I am naive or clueless for my “standards”… or some other highly intelligent form of deflection that you are very successful at I must say.

  199. Josh says:

    Nicegirl

    Let’s discuss some of them “standards”, which are? 😉

  200. Eloquence says:

    @ Nicegirl

    And the Heavens opened and spoke

    @ Josh

    Nothing new UNDER the Heavens

  201. Nicegirl says:

    There are definitely two channels of thought here. Either a woman needs to be completely at the beck and call of the SD in order to successfully navigate the sugar world. This includes your main care is the $$ you would be receiving regardless of the man offering it. If he offers it then it is your obligation as a dutiful SB to gratefully accept it and then fall to your knees and… well do the duty you have been paid to do. OR you are a woman that has self respect, standards and self worth ( these things will make you look like you feel entitlement). You seek an arrangement where there is mutual respect with each person getting and giving in the relationship… She is looking for a man that enjoys her company besides only in a sexual capacity.

    If you believe that the second option is not possible or a fantasy of wishful thinking then that is your opinion to have. However, there are plenty of women that engage in the second option successfully, it just takes a little time and patients to find. Thank goodness for options, they do make the world go round don’t they?

  202. Josh says:

    @Eloquence

    Thanks for posting a comprehensible thought. See it’s not as hard as ot seems. 😉

    Based on what I understood, and seconding Alexis’ comments, I doubt that you will ever have an SD. If you did land one, you will drive him away.

    You are ripe for arrangement sabotage. 😉

  203. Josh says:

    @Alexis,

    Regardless of what kind of sugar arrangements you are in or are interested in, I admire you clarity of thought about the sugar space.

    Please post more often as time permits.

  204. Alexis says:

    I just don’t comprehend why terms like “standards”, “God”, and “desperate” even come up. Why is this made all so much more complex than it need be? Hmmm, if a guy comes into my (X) shop as long as he’s not atrocious in behavior, why wouldn’t I sell my service to him?

    It seems to me that some SBs on this site should be on regular dating sites. I really don’t mean that offensively, but it just seems like there’s so much emotion stirring around here on the part of the SBs as if this were “regular” type of dating. As if they want it ALL – looks, personality, AND money. I mean come on lol… really now. Just where does all of this entitlement come from?

    In all actuality though. These attitudes are the reason why arrangements even exist in the first place. I suppose though that this statement will go spffffffft right over some of the SBs heads.

    Oh well :)

    *Makes a hobby out of talking to walls.*

  205. Eloquence says:

    Keep in mind… It goes both ways… Why would I want to give a man my best if they approach me as if I’m disposable. Not saying that’s happening, I’m just saying… Why would a woman desire to give her all to a man that treats her s disposable item simply because other women have chosen to lower their standards. I feel that is a “tirekicker”. Simply because a man has money…does not make him “God” and does not make the woman “desperate” irregardless of the woman’s circumstances.

    Personally, I certainly am not about to behave or act in a desperate manner regardless of what I have in the bank to “appease” a man. I would ignore him as quick as I would being a millionaire or as quick as I would being a pauper. That is not fiction, that is reality.

  206. Nicegirl says:

    @FlyR, basically if you don’t agree with what is being said, or are not being antagonistic then you are dumb. I tend to agree with your comment… which makes me dumb according to others on this blog ;o)

  207. Josh says:

    @FlyR

    “I think I like the board when more of the discussion was focused on helping”

    This board is still “focused on helping” those who genuinely seek help.

    It may not be as “focused” on tolerating wishful thinking, AND may not be as tolerating to the dumb bloggers anymore. 😉

  208. FatB'StardSA says:

    @FlyR

    “I think I like the board when more of the discussion was focused on helping”

    I don’t care what you like. Just wanted to be clear. Feel free to start your own blog where you can moderate the posts.

  209. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Kms2014

    I don’t care, you keep responding to me. 50 year old SD and a 35 year old SB (close to your age I think) is not far fetched for an arrangement. A 30 year old SD and a 35 year old SB? You know my opinion on that scenario.

  210. flyR says:

    It’s like there’s an underground conversation going on here now that the crowd has moved on. I wish SB’s would relax, think more about what’s important for them, what they bring to the relationship and look for a good match. It’s a big tent.

    “Older” SB – Why not, the perfect solution for the suddenly liquid nerd whose relationship experience is limited.

    Other SD’s live in fear of the Monica like stalker SB who subconsciously is driven to try to destroy the SD’s marriage.

    I think I like the board when more of the discussion was focused on helping.

  211. Elaine says:

    “Just to clarify the quote you are posting. A SD finding a SB who is 15 years younger than him would make sense to me if the goal was to create the illusion of a “real romantic partner”.
    Having a SB who is the same age or older than the SD is dumb. The SD should be looking for a GF in that case”

    Well seen the networth and income of my actual and former SDs, I wouldnt describe them exactly as dumb…..

    These are very succesfull and well known businessmen with enough selfesteem to not need to show off with arm candy, but also such a busy (and married!) life to not want teenage- or “leave your wife and lets have babies” drama.

    They are on this site because there is no better alternative, but they are not looking for a young sugarbaby, they want an experienced LT mistress.
    Age is not such issue, of course body and looks are important, but brains, chemistry and confidence are as much.
    And they are of all ages actually.

    Strange enough, as I told once before, there is more “old” SDs having issues with my age, as younger ones….

    Off course it also needs another approach to get in contact with them, that is why it is difficult to give advice here.
    It is only a small niche I am talking about.
    My profile pic is not revealing anything and my profiletext is long.
    So useless for most of SBs to use as an example.

    Me too could show you the emails.
    But why should I care? :-)

  212. Nicegirl says:

    @FB “Not every 20 year woman is attractive (including those on the SA site) so obviously a beautiful woman over 30 would be more desirable from that point of view. I don’t think every SB over 30 is automatically more interesting than a SB in her 20′s and I don’t think it is true that I will automatically have a better connection with an older SB either. There are plenty of superficial, uninteresting older women out there.

    All good points and I agree with you, thank you for giving my your prospective.

  213. Kms2014 says:

    A few years younger isn’t a big deal…especially, if they assume you are younger than they are. Why do you care, anyways? I could show you emails from men much younger than a few years, if you really wanted. If you were a woman, on SA, and you had offers here and there from men closer to your age…then, would you pick much older, or those who you have more in common with, who are usually closer in age? My most recent arrangement was with a man who is 49… Is that crazy?

  214. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Kms2014

    “There are a few dumb men here and there, then ;-p”

    You and Elaine seem to have found all of them.

  215. Lucyanna says:

    I think this blog post is a general guideline. Personally as a SB, sex is as important as any other part of the relationship. I can’t imagine continuously seeing someone and not want to have sex with them. I would never want to spend so much time and energy for someone I wasn’t genuinely attracted too. Sugar is what you make it, but I’m going to have to agree with some of the men, sex is a must.

  216. Kms2014 says:

    There are a few dumb men here and there, then ;-p

  217. FatB'StardSA says:

    “Having a SB who is the same age or older than the SD is dumb. The SD should be looking for a GF in that case.”

    This will not apply to 20 year old SD’s of course.

  218. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Kms2014

    Just to clarify the quote you are posting. A SD finding a SB who is 15 years younger than him would make sense to me if the goal was to create the illusion of a “real romantic partner”.

    Having a SB who is the same age or older than the SD is dumb. The SD should be looking for a GF in that case.

  219. Alexis says:

    “The concept of generosity is alien here. Surely you’ve seen the comments. No? It seems that an ideal arrangement here is one where an SB is given $200 for a date that she spends $200? preparing for? This shit is bananas.”

    $200??? What are you getting for the date, another sugarbaby? lol

    Anybody who spends $200 preparing for a date has their priorities in life seriously messed up.

  220. Alexis says:

    @Nicegirl
    “This blog is not meant to be a meet and greet. It is meant to enlighten and speak your mind.”
    You don’t say! Dang, and here I thought it was a family reunion.

    “Warmer? Well, for starters I would want to attract a man that actually likes and values a woman. I am not sure I have seen that often on this blog.”
    I haven’t seen not one woman-hater here, only men defending themselves. Which I find very unfortunate they have to do; especially, under these circumstances.

    “I can’t remember the last time I actually entered a Walmart but I am pretty certain I would never compare myself to a door greeter there or the men I am attracted to the patrons of my hometown Walmart.. Have you seen the pictures of a typical shopper? Scary ;o)”
    I’m sorry. Should I have chosen some upscale store so that it would be more understandable for you? The point is that we, as sugarbabies, are salespeople. A successful salesperson treats a potential patron with respect, courteousness, kindness, and warmth. Everyone else goes out of business.

  221. Kms2014 says:

    “FatBastardSA says:
    October 4, 2013 at 10:00 am
    @sweetie

    Age requirements for SB’s depend on the fantasy the SD is looking for. Some want the illusion that the SB could be a real romantic partner which means the SB needs to be able to go out and do the things (like drinking) the SD would want to do with a GF.

    I am not sure if SB’s have these problems. Many profiles from young SB’s claim to want chemistry but I don’t know if that is just a ploy to avoid having intimate relations for as long as possible :-).

    I am a bit of a pig so for me age is secondary to how sexy i think the SB is. I hate to agree with Pricey Spicey, but Sofia Vergara would be not loose out to many 20 year olds I think.”

  222. FatB'StardSA says:

    Bad editing!

    @Elaine

    What response are you looking for? I already told you that I don’t believe much of what you write, and you don’t care what I think.

    @Nicegirl

    “I would be interested in comments on what is more important to an SD – a young 20 year old body that is ok looking who is still figuring out who she and what she wants is OR a well put together woman over the age of 30 that is physically attractive and knows who she is and what she wants.”

    Not every 20 year woman is attractive (including those on the SA site) so obviously a beautiful woman over 30 would be more desirable from that point of view. I don’t think every SB over 30 is automatically more interesting than a SB in her 20′s and I don’t think it is true that I will automatically have a better connection with an older SB either. There are plenty of superficial, uninteresting older women out there.

  223. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Elaine

    What response are you looking for? I already told you that I don’t believe much of what you write, and you don’t care what I think.

    @Elaine – “I don’t have amazing looks, c’mon, I am 45!”

    I have seen many 45+ yr old women that are much more attractive than a 20 something. Your confidence is what makes you look amazing… I am sure you do have amazing looks

    @Nicegirl

    “I would be interested in comments on what is more important to an SD – a young 20 year old body that is ok looking who is still figuring out who she and what she wants is OR a well put together woman over the age of 30 that is physically attractive and knows who she is and what she wants.”

    Not every 20 year woman is attractive (including those on the SA site) so obviously a beautiful woman over 30 would be more desirable from that point of view. I don’t think every SB over 30 is automatically more interesting than a SB in her 20’s and I don’t think it is true that I will automatically have a better connection with an older SB either. There are plenty of superficial, uninteresting older women out there.

  224. Elaine says:

    @ fb

    FatB’StardSA says:
    August 6, 2014 at 9:52 am

    “Elaine
    You seem to have no trouble finding multiple SD’s who are younger than you and willing to fly you to meet them. Maybe you have amazing looks/personality which makes it easy for you to get an arrangement. Many SB’s have a hard time getting any messages much less meeting a SD. The best advise you could provide would be to give other SB’s your profile so they can see what it takes to get a SD to notice them.
    I don’t believe anything you write but others are free to disagree.”

    Well frankly my dear….I don’give a damn.

    But it is funny though, each time I respond on your nasty accusations with a reasonable and honest answer I NEVER hear you back again…
    What is it you want, serious answers and discussions or just trolling around because you have nothing else to do as annoying people?

    Elaine says:
    August 6, 2014 at 11:01 am

    @FB

    “I dont have amazing looks, c’mon, I am 45!
    I have given some SB my profilenumber already.
    As I have also tried to help others with their profiles.
    But that is very difficult, because then it reflects my personality, and not theirs.
    Even tried to help another SB in financial difficulties by presenting a very wealthy ex SD to her.
    More I cannot do, they have to follow it up themselves in line of the expectations risen.”

  225. FatB'StardSA says:

    “Brittany…no of fence but in your picture…you look soooo young! Like a young teen…”

    Come to daddy Brittany… :-).

  226. Josh says:

    @brii

    Please read Elaine’s and Alexis’ comments for how to approach sugar and what to do from SBs vantage point.

    Then read RSD and gentle(man)sd and NC Gent to read what SDs are up to.

    Read FatB’StardSA for laser-focused BS detection.

    Savor on whenever SD Guru decides on sharing his wisdom.

    The rest is enterainment. 😉

  227. brii nikkolette says:

    oh my goodness…i came on here to learn what to do and what not to do & got lost in an irrelevant argument….thanks for the help..lol.

  228. Ah, c’monnn…everyone loves the produce aisle! Might find yourself a free sample now and then. They do go quickly, though.

    I can relate to being happy without the widely held notion of love and relationships. It’s possible to have and create little bits of love and happiness in many ways.

  229. Josh says:

    @Ricky

    Sad but true . :(

  230. Ricky says:

    @Josh .. amusing how most if not all women would somehow classify you as some sort of lost soul who simply needs the right woman in your life to get all of your “issues” remedied. What’s sadder yet is most men also harbor these preposterous ideals.

  231. Josh says:

    @Eloquence

    Sweetheart, I am way past wishful thinking stage of my life. I have been “in love”. I have been out of love. I am extremely HAPPY with my life and sugar keeps it exciting whenever I am up to it.

    So if this woman is in the sugar space, I will indulge. If she is in the grabbing my ball realm then I am NOT interested.

    😉

  232. Eloquence says:

    @ Josh…

    Even better …. “May your feet be quickened as you run right into her!”

  233. Eloquence says:

    @ Josh

    I hope you run across a woman who loves you for who you are exactly the way you are and realize she is perfectly happy standing next to you in a produce aisle *** picking out whatever your favorite produce is ***… as would she be sitting next to you at a linen draped table of your choosing.

  234. Josh says:

    @Eloquence

    Chapman provides a great set of tools to work with. He also has languages for hate. Chapman makes money by selling to both men and women.

    As a matter of fact I sent a copy of the book to my niece who was creating havoc in her husband’s life.

    I really have no interest in “love” with a “special” woman anymore. Women generally have no respect for men. They are basically trying to find a man who literally and figuratively opens doors for them.

    Most women do a great job of loving their children. But they generally don’t know how to love a man. They know how to use him. They can hate him very well though. Which happens very often. 😉

    All SBs are “special” to me as long as we are in a mutually beneficial arrangement. 😉

  235. “Eloquence says:

    @ Josh

    And your contribution comes across fluid as well. Considering you are the first blogger (please correct me if I am wrong) who first introduced the sage advice to other bloggers to look into Gary Chapman’s book to begin with. Do you feel that your representation upon blog shows your love language? Do you find your statements versus your commentary gives clear guidance?”

    [Listens intently. Awaits reply]

  236. Eloquence says:

    @ Josh

    And your contribution comes across fluid as well. Considering you are the first blogger (please correct me if I am wrong) who first introduced the sage advice to other bloggers to look into Gary Chapman’s book to begin with. Do you feel that your representation upon blog shows your love language? Do you find your statements versus your commentary gives clear guidance?

  237. Ricky says:

    27-35 is the magic range for me. Older than that and they become too set in their ways or as Josh mentioned ….. their life experiences have left them shot to pieces. Younger than that and it’s just the same old story of boredom on my part teaching another kid how to bang. Been there, done that too many times…….

  238. Elaine says:

    The young have other shit in their head to deal with Josh!
    Some 20 somethings have more reasons to hate men as other 40 somethings.

    We all have shit in our head, at any given time or age, only the reasons change.

    But the young are surely easier to impress 😉

  239. Josh says:

    The oldest women I have been with was 43. She was awesome in looks and sex. I basically don’t have age preference from the looks point of view.

    My lower age preference is due to the fact that the more relationships they sabotage the more shit they have in their head against men, and the more frustrated they are with life, men and the world.

  240. NC Gent says:

    @Nicegirl — I prefer SBs in their late 20s to late 30s. The hottest SB I ever dated was 34 at the time. For me, it is very difficult to find an SB in that age range that looks great and isn’t a complete trainwreck. Therefore, I ended up with a younger SB that is mature for her age. It looks like the larger metropolitan areas have more women in my desired age range, but there are very few near me.

  241. Elaine says:

    @ Thank you Nicegirl.

    I look ok, but it is different of the natural beauty of young girls of course.
    But like you said, it is the appearance and selfconfidence that make heads turn.
    When I was young, I was insecure and nobody ever asked me if I was a model.
    Now at 45 they ask me if I HAVE BEEN a model, haha.

    Even for topmodels, if they are not completely styled, hair done and in the make up,dressed in sweat pants, most people don’t turn their head.

  242. Kms2014 says:

    FB feels that way about certain older women 😉 He likes to give, Elaine, and other older SBs a hard time, but seems he agrees with what many of the older gals have been saying, anyways…if you look good for your age and take care of your body, then age does not matter as much.

    FatBastardSA says:
    October 4, 2013 at 10:00 am
    @sweetie

    Age requirements for SB’s depend on the fantasy the SD is looking for. Some want the illusion that the SB could be a real romantic partner which means the SB needs to be able to go out and do the things (like drinking) the SD would want to do with a GF.

    I am not sure if SB’s have these problems. Many profiles from young SB’s claim to want chemistry but I don’t know if that is just a ploy to avoid having intimate relations for as long as possible :-).

    I am a bit of a pig so for me age is secondary to how sexy i think the SB is. I hate to agree with Pricey Spicey, but Sofia Vergara would be not loose out to many 20 year olds I think.”

  243. Nicegirl says:

    I would be interested in comments on what is more important to an SD – a young 20 year old body that is ok looking who is still figuring out who she and what she wants is OR a well put together woman over the age of 30 that is physically attractive and knows who she is and what she wants.

    I feel like this is an interesting topic and by some of the posts maybe 50/50? not sure but curious.

  244. Nicegirl says:

    @Elaine – “I don’t have amazing looks, c’mon, I am 45!”

    I have seen many 45+ yr old women that are much more attractive than a 20 something. Your confidence is what makes you look amazing… I am sure you do have amazing looks

  245. Elaine says:

    Yes, I understand 😉

    I do have to add that with these 2 it feels like arrangements for the first time.

    With my former SDs it felt different, and I would never have considered to have another SD at the same time, even if that was never been discussed.
    Because it was much more of BF/GF relationships, where the only difference was that they “kept” me.

  246. Nicegirl says:

    @Elaine, I understand what you are saying. The SD’s contacting me were looking to sleep around with many and that was something I was not comfortable with. To each there own. I was not critiquing you with my comment. It was just my personal experience.

  247. Elaine says:

    And btw, I never said it was an EASY task, I have had my portion of timewasters and tirekickers and poofers too!
    Like anybody else her!

  248. Elaine says:

    @nicegirl

    The exclusivity issue in my case is that they are both long distance, so we can meet only around 1 time per month for few days.
    Them being married, they don’t expect me to be exclusive, because they arent either…..

    But this is also for me the first time I am having 2 SD at the same time.
    So it is not about messing around with a lot of different partners, not for them and not for me.

  249. Elaine says:

    @FB

    I dont have amazing looks, c’mon, I am 45!
    But I turn heads because I know how to present myself very well.
    And that has nothing to do with budget btw.

    I have given some SB my profilenumber already.
    As I have also tried to help others with their profiles.
    But that is very difficult, because then it reflects my personality, and not theirs.

    Even tried to help another SB in financial difficulties by presenting a very wealthy ex SD to her.
    More I cannot do, they have to follow it up themselves in line of the expectations risen.

    I have in former topics given advice about pics, dressing, profiles etc.
    As I did to Ann.

    But I”ll repeat some:

    -STAND OUT, IN YOUR OWN WAY.

    -DONT MENTION MORE AS 5 TIMES “ME” OR “I” IN YOUR PROFILE

    -DONT PUT DARING PICS IN YOUR PROFILE AND COMPLAIN THAT ONLY JOHN’S REACT.

    -CHECK OTHER FEMALE PROFILES AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD ATTRACT YOU IF YOU WERE A SD. YOU”LL BE AMAZED ABOUT THE LOW QUALITY OF MOST.

    -BE INTERESTING, A HOT BODY IS EASY REPLACEABLE

    -BE FASCINATING AND INTRIGUING, A HOT BRAIN NOT!

    -REALIZE THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU BEING THE PRINCESS, BUT HIM THE PRINCE

    -DON’T BE ENTITLED

    -DON’T TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DO NOT LIKE, YOU CAN SELECT YOURSELF WHEN THEY START MESSAGING YOU.

    -DON’T ACT AS A GOLDDIGGER, AND YOU WILL NOT BE TREATED LIKE ONE

    -DON’T RELY ON YOUR LOOKS, A SERIOUS, SELF CONFIDENT AND SUCCESFUL BUSINESSMAN DOESNT NEED ARM CANDY TO BOOST HIS SELFESTEEM. THE ONES WHO DO, WILL ALWAYS WANT NEWER ARMCANDY.

    -FIND A SD YOU FEEL PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED TO AND ENJOY THE SEX. LACK OF ENTHUSIASM IS A BIG TURNOFF AND NO MAN WILL LIKE TO KEEP YOU AROUND IF YOU THINK YOUR STUNNING PRESENCE ALONE IN BED IS ENOUGH. LEARN HOW TO BE GOOD IN BED.

    -WHEN YOU MEET IN A FANCY PLACE, DRESS LIKE YOU BELONG THERE

    – YOUR DRESSES THIGHT ENOUGH TO SHOW YOU ARE A WOMAN AND LOOSE ENOUGH TO SHOW YOU’RE A LADY

    -NEVER, EVER MAKE YOUR SD FEELING ASHAMED TO BE SEEN WITH YOU. WELL, UNLESS HE WANTS TO MAKE A FOOL OF HIMSELF. HUGH HEFNER, NEED TO SAY MORE? 😉

    -AND WHEN THE TIMES HAS CAME TO MOVE ON, DONT CAUSE DRAMA OR THREATEN OR BLACKMAIL HIM. IT WILL BOOMERANG BACK AGAINST YOU.

    -BE DISCRETE.

    -BE PATIENT.

    So, these are my 10 (…uh..) commends :-)

  250. Nicegirl says:

    @Kms @Brittany. Hopefully that isn’t a profile pic. It is hard to tell in the tiny thumbnail but the t-shirt doesn’t help.

    I agree with whoever made the statement to Brittany about her approach being how NOT to sugar.

  251. Nicegirl says:

    Unlike Elaine I did not find it an easy task to find an SD when I first started looking. I am picky and was looking for someone that was a choosy person as well. I found that exclusivity was my main issue with many SD’s I exchanged emails with. We seemed to hit it off but the minute I suggested that they not sleep around with lots of other women the communication stopped. I really felt surprised that this was a turn off but it certainly was. I am glad that I said that up front because it is important to me and I would rather move on than settle for someone that could potentially cause me harm. It also made me wonder how successful could these men be if they have all of this free time to screw around with all of these different ladies. This might be good for some but not for me :(

    My best advice if you are looking for something long term is to take your time, be selective and find someone that you genuinely like and enjoy spending time with.

  252. Kms2014 says:

    Offense*

  253. Kms2014 says:

    Brittany…no of fence but in your picture…you look soooo young! Like a young teen…

  254. FatB'StardSA says:

    ^^^ or it will be a “transactional” arrangement.

  255. FatB'StardSA says:

    @ygtobkm

    “I take my previous recommendation back, FB. You should wrap your penis in whatever you did when you scored that (verified) hottie. And keep applying it this time so that this one stays around longer.”

    She was not worth the allowance. The novelty of being around a beautiful woman who is a bitch wears off very quickly. I am semi-retired from SA so there is no desire to keep a SB around longer.

    “*Disclaimer: I have never had an SD, and have thus been deemed unqualified to give advice.”

    Makes sense to me but perhaps I am in the minority. Why not describe your own experiences instead? Here is my advise to SD’s (I have stated this before):

    If you want any kind of connection find a SB you could date if you were 20-25 years younger. Offer her a reasonable allowance (she will probably take it). Enjoy while it lasts! Anything that deviates from this will require you to be very successful and offer a big allowance.

  256. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Elaine

    You seem to have no trouble finding multiple SD’s who are younger than you and willing to fly you to meet them. Maybe you have amazing looks/personality which makes it easy for you to get an arrangement. Many SB’s have a hard time getting any messages much less meeting a SD. The best advise you could provide would be to give other SB’s your profile so they can see what it takes to get a SD to notice them.

    I don’t believe anything you write but others are free to disagree.

  257. Josh says:

    Sure Elaine. Your–and hopefully if Alexis decides to dish out–advice would be very beneficial to SBs in general and in your and hers age groups in particular.

  258. Elaine says:

    @ Ann,

    If you are an older SB, I think you profile has to stand out more.

    Now it is similar to a million other female profiles.
    Scroll through other female profiles, and figure out how you could distinguish yourself from them!

    There is space for us, older SB!
    Our (yes, I am “old” myself) advantage is that most of the picture collectors and cheap p4p basterds don’t fill our mailboxes with their crappy messages.
    The ones who do, are mostly serious SD, looking for LT relationships, based upon more as a easy replaceable hot body alone.

    @ fatB.

    Well actually, after having been flewn in by my (younger) pot. we have just decided we will start an arrangement.
    So I have 2 LD benefactors now, who both dont require exclusivity because married themselves and very busy.

    In fact, haven’t been without one since the moment I came to SA, so maybe my advice can be valuable to other, new SB?

  259. Josh says:

    @Eloquence

    Good decision NOT to give advice.

    Absolutely nothing personal but a general observation below…
    clueless SBs giving clueless “advice” (more like chatty brain farts) to clueless SBs is NOT in the best interest of anyone involved in sugar.

  260. Josh says:

    @yougottabeshittingme

    “Disclaimer: I have never had an SD, and have thus been deemed unqualified to give advice.”

    Disclaimer…wow!

    Believe it or not, this is a sea change from six months ago when clueless rinser SBs used to harass SDs on the blog.

  261. Eloquence says:

    and… to clarify for the record… We wound up in the grocery store AFTER he had taken me to dinner spending $200-300 on dinner. I wouldn’t advise taking your date to a grocery store for an official first date. :)

  262. Eloquence says:

    hahaha… Well I was on a date once and wound up in the produce aisle with my date picking tomatoes out in a hot pink mini dress and had a ball doing so. Of course, we had also known each other for years… Who says you cant have it all? You actually can! :) (then again… I am not giving advice…)
    However, it is the “out of the norm” adventures that make the memories special because I cannot recollect ever doing that prior.

  263. “Brittany says:
    August 5, 2014 at 10:13 pm
    IM LOOKING FOR A SUGAR DADDY.I JUST CANT DRIVE OR DO WEEKENDS..JUST WANNA KEEP A SECRET FROM MY OTHER HALF…ANY TAKERS?”

    Hi Brittany,

    I’m pretty new to this place, too, and I don’t have much experience with which to advise you. But I think your post might be a classic example of “How Not to Sugar”. :/

    You might consider visiting some of the “How To” posts and links on the site, and trying a different approach. Then again, what do I know?

  264. “About Me

    Very honest and open minded…give 100% to whatever I strive to do and whomever I am with. I am a giver and I love to please and make sure the person I am with is satisfied in all aspects of a relationship…physically, mentally and emotionally. Hobbies are reading, shopping, traveling; esp to the beach. Fine dining and excellent wine, hiking and exercising.

    What I’m looking for

    Looking to spend time with a gentleman who knows how to treat a lady. Someone who is kind, considerate, thoughtful, and affectionate. I love the simple things a romantic man can offer….unexpected texts, compliments and surprises. I enjoy making sure my man is spoiled just as much as I enjoy being spoiled. Love giving back rubs…massages and making my man feel like he’s the only one in this world. I know I don’t fit the typical age bracket of a SB on this site but take a chance I promise you won’t regret.”

    Edited*

    About me:

    [I love making my man feel like he’s the only one in this world. Making sure the person I am with is satisfied in all aspects–physically, mentally and emotionally–is what I strive for in a relationship. I enjoy many hobbies from reading, hiking and traveling, to fine dining and relaxing on the beach. I’m a tiny package with a lot to offer, and would love to explore some of your interests and fun ideas as well. ]

    What I’m looking for:

    [Someone who is kind, considerate, thoughtful, and affectionate. I love the simple things a romantic man can offer….unexpected texts, compliments and surprises. Looking to spend time with a gentleman who knows how to treat a lady, and appreciates all the surprises she has in store for him.]

    *Disclaimer: I have never had an SD, and have thus been deemed unqualified to give advice. I do, however, think this reads a little better. Your own words just rearranged, pruned and adlibbed a little. All the best to you, Ann :).

  265. Brittany says:

    IM LOOKING FOR A SUGAR DADDY.I JUST CANT DRIVE OR DO WEEKENDS..JUST WANNA KEEP A SECRET FROM MY OTHER HALF…ANY TAKERS?

  266. Josh says:

    @Ann

    Shorten your about and what you’re looking for.

  267. Ann says:

    Ann

    43 • Greenville

    A small package but aren’t those always the best?

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    Occupation educationMarital Status MarriedChildren Prefer Not To SaySmoking Non-SmokerDrinking Social DrinkerLifestyle Expectations Negotiable 

    About Me

    Very honest and open minded…give 100% to whatever I strive to do and whomever I am with. I am a giver and I love to please and make sure the person I am with is satisfied in all aspects of a relationship…physically, mentally and emotionally. Hobbies are reading, shopping, traveling; esp to the beach. Fine dining and excellent wine, hiking and exercising.

    What I’m looking for

    Looking to spend time with a gentleman who knows how to treat a lady. Someone who is kind, considerate, thoughtful, and affectionate. I love the simple things a romantic man can offer….unexpected texts, compliments and surprises. I enjoy making sure my man is spoiled just as much as I enjoy being spoiled. Love giving back rubs…massages and making my man feel like he’s the only one in this world. I know I don’t fit the typical age bracket of a SB on this site but take a chance I promise you won’t regret

  268. Ann says:

    @josh or whomever will offer help I need some serious lacing of my profile I have alot to offer just need advice on how to make it more SD friendly.

  269. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Nicegirl

    “I am not sure if you have heard of fish pedicures. These tiny fish nibble the dead skin off of your feet and make them soft and smooth. You might want to try dipping your cock in and seeing if they will nibble… This could become an addictive habit if it works! ;o)”

    My cock is already being nibbled on. Money is a great aphrodisiac.

  270. “FatB’StardSA says:
    August 5, 2014 at 6:56 pm
    The best looking SB I had (for a very short amount of time) was men’s magazine material (verified) and made a living off of her looks. I don’t think she ever spent $200 to get ready for me. All of the other SB’s I met put as much effort to get ready to see me as they did to go to the grocery store. The very wealthy, sexy, 30 year old SD’s may get different treatment from SB’s on the first meet but that was my experience.”

    I take my previous recommendation back, FB. You should wrap your penis in whatever you did when you scored that (verified) hottie. And keep applying it this time so that this one stays around longer.

    As for the grocery store look…

    Unless I’m planning on having a party in the produce aisle, I don’t put in much effort into prepping for the grocery store. Going on a date that way seems a bit complacent. At the same time, I’m not going to dress up like Im on my way to a men’s magazine shoot to meet a date over tea. Balance and occasion, I guess.

  271. “If my cock could catch fishies I would not have used the site. If the fishies were looking for cock they would not be on the site either. Money is the key ingredient here.”

    Maybe you should wrap a couple hundred dollar bills around it. Lil camouflage trick…bait and switch, if you will.

    @Nicegirl
    “I am not sure if you have heard of fish pedicures. These tiny fish nibble the dead skin off of your feet and make them soft and smooth. You might want to try dipping your cock in and seeing if they will nibble… This could become an addictive habit if it works! ;o)”

    Nicegirl might be onto something here, FB. Maybe they’ll mistake your cock for your big toe. I say put it in, and give it a shot. But just the tip, of course.

  272. Josh says:

    The bottom line is if an SB is attracting SDs and vicw versa.

    SDs are having a ball. SBs are whining.

    Se est la vie at SA.

    😉

  273. Nicegirl says:

    @FB. “If my cock could catch fishies I would not have used the site. If the fishies were looking for cock they would not be on the site either. Money is the key ingredient here.”

    I am not sure if you have heard of fish pedicures. These tiny fish nibble the dead skin off of your feet and make them soft and smooth. You might want to try dipping your cock in and seeing if they will nibble… This could become an addictive habit if it works! ;o)

  274. FatB'StardSA says:

    @ygtobkm

    “As for your cock…

    Throw that worm on a hook, and catch all the little fishies you can. I think it might be bluegill season right now. I dunno…I don’t fish much.”

    If my cock could catch fishies I would not have used the site. If the fishies were looking for cock they would not be on the site either. Money is the key ingredient here.

  275. FatB'StardSA says:

    The best looking SB I had (for a very short amount of time) was men’s magazine material (verified) and made a living off of her looks. I don’t think she ever spent $200 to get ready for me. All of the other SB’s I met put as much effort to get ready to see me as they did to go to the grocery store. The very wealthy, sexy, 30 year old SD’s may get different treatment from SB’s on the first meet but that was my experience.

  276. “@yougottabemassagingme

    Sometimes you do write sensible stuff. In doing so you shatter some of the SB myths that were commonplace here six months ago.”

    Quite possibly…

    but I’m not saying that women don’t spend this sort of money preparing for a date. Nor am I saying that men don’t enjoy, desire or prefer whatever look said women spent said money to achieve.

    I’m saying that I don’t. I would rather present myself in a naturally sexy, well kept, moderate maintenance fashion that can be turned up or down. I went on a regular date not too long ago dressed moderately, and the date went really well, so we decided to continue to the next destination–dancing at a higher end club. It took me 5 minutes to turn my look up, and about 17 seconds to for him to close his mouth after his draw dropped to the floor. After that we were good to go, and surely he didn’t expect me to look turned up all the time. Going all in as high maintenance sets a bar that has to be maintained and then some, and well…to be honest…not only gets to be expensive, but it’s also too much work to keep up a facade.

    I guess you can liken it to the expense of cooking dinner. You don’t buy new pots and pans every time you cook. Most of the utensils and spices you already have, so why start from scratch. If you did, you’d find it quite expensive. It’s most ideal to use the ingredients you already have, adding new key notes here and there.

    “So note the frame of mind you wrote the above post in and contribute positively.”

    My frame of mind, sweets, is subjective to the situation, which may or may not be to your dismay. I do still love you, all the same ;).

  277. Josh says:

    @yougottabemassagingme

    Sometimes you do write sensible stuff. In doing so you shatter some of the SB myths that were commonplace here six months ago.

    For example, the $200 preparing for date myth. Your last post also disproved that such arrangement is a wash. It’s not a very good arrangement but it is NOT a wash either.

    So note the frame of mind you wrote the above post in and contribute positively.

  278. “I only take arrangement advise from a SB who can actually find a SD.”

    That’s a good motto. I can’t really say that I’ve tried much to find a sugar daddy. Meh. Maybe I’ll just hang around here a little longer to get slapped around and have makeup sex.

    As for your cock…

    Throw that worm on a hook, and catch all the little fishies you can. I think it might be bluegill season right now. I dunno…I don’t fish much.

  279. “Well, not the ideal situation. But women spend that money on themselves whether a man is involved or not.

    Isn’t that better than spending $200 looking good for yourself, which you’re going to do anyway and not get paid for?

    Women won’t stop using all that crap on themselves to please themselves and to show off to other women. Why use men as the escape goat?”

    I get what you’re saying, and it makes some sense. But when the amount that’s shared doesn’t justify the amount spent to receive it, one and/or the other needs reconsideration.

    I personally think that spending $200 to prepare for a date is a bit much unless it’s an initial investment or if the date is of extravagant nature or requires attire you don’t have. After an initial date, expenses for said extravagance or attire should be picked up by the gentleman. For example, a dress for a formal occasion.

    When I worked as a manager, I got a seasonal wardrobe allowance because my boss wanted me to present a certain way, and understood that it can be costly to do so. No, I didn’t demand compensation for preparing for the interview, but I also didn’t spend $200.

    I think if a girl has to spend $200 every time she goes on a date, she’s doing it wrong.

  280. Nicegirl says:

    Reincarnated blogger? This blog is up and down in ONE day, I think it is bipolar. You confuse being an angry woman hater as being “real” I think you are a coward who likes to try and make others feel bad so you can feel better. Life isn’t that bad is it? I am guessing you are under 5’6″ just a guess, but I am close.

    Unfortunately, saying things that aren’t nice just don’t feel that good to me. Darn!

  281. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl

    Either you are new or were posting as a different blogger.

    If you are new how would you know what this blog has quickly become?

    If you are a reincarnated blogger then you know as well as I know that BS SBs are promptly called out this blog. Forget about the la la land blog from prior to six months ago.

  282. “Josh says:
    August 5, 2014 at 2:56 pm
    @yougottabebangingme

    I have no clue what you wrote about the nature of the intimate moments but at least you tried. Thank you for that. ”

    It’s ok, babe. I should’ve used that pickaxe, but at least you tried. Thank you for that. I do enjoy our makeup sex.

  283. Josh says:

    It seems that an ideal arrangement here is one where an SB is given $200 for a date that she spends $200? preparing for? This shit is bananas.”

    Well, not the ideal situation. But women spend that money on themselves whether a man is involved or not.

    Isn’t that better than spending $200 looking good for yourself, which you’re going to do anyway and not get paid for?

    Women won’t stop using all that crap on themselves to please themselves and to show off to other women. Why use men as the escape goat?

  284. Nicegirl says:

    Oh how sad this blog has quickly become. I just don’t understand the need to try and make others feel bad or try to get them angry. There are a few on this site that never have any positive input… I always thought it was the ladies that liked to stir up the drama, not on this blog :o)

    Pull the log out of your own eye before pointing out the thorn in mine. That is my quote of the day. Oh, I am sure I will get some smart assed comment back and I will chuckle as I read it.

  285. “Why wouldn’t you be warmer towards the SDs here? Without their willingness to be generous we would have no potential market in which to profit.”

    The concept of generosity is alien here. Surely you’ve seen the comments. No? It seems that an ideal arrangement here is one where an SB is given $200 for a date that she spends $200? preparing for? This shit is bananas.

    What I’ve observed is actually more of a Walmart mentality, actually. Quantity over quality. Men looking for cheap goods. Women who sell themselves short of quality arrangements.

    Id rather the solitude of my warm cove sans bananas.

    Id rather a local market or eclectic boutique. I would think that most would. UNLESS…theyre looking for something cheap and easy that they plan to dispose of without regard (This applies to both SDs and SBs). OR…if their preferred stores are closed and won’t let them in, and they just can’t wait any longer…BUT THEN cheap goods regret sets in as soon as you discover the crappy quality of your settlement, and you suddenly wish you hadve waited and been more selective because you would’ve enjoyed your preferred selection better.

    Happy shopping :).

  286. Josh says:

    @yougottabebangingme

    I have no clue what you wrote about the nature of the intimate moments but at least you tried. Thank you for that. 😉

  287. Josh says:

    The SBs who post here are struggling with finding SD.

    The SDs who post here are active at different levels.

    However, that does not prevent the SD-lacking SBs to render useless advice (mostly taunts and shaming though) to SB-full SDs.

    Strange but true! 😉

  288. FatB'StardSA says:

    @ygtobkm

    “Here’s the thing. You haven’t figured out the art of compensation. ”

    I stopped reading after this line. I only take arrangement advise from a SB who can actually find a SD. This excludes yourself, Elaine, and Kms2014 from giving advise.

    @Random blog SB’s

    “First, I wouldn’t fuck you with a borrowed pussy, let alone my own. K?”

    “I would say thanx, but no, thanx.
    Thank God I don’t need to service cocks of bastards like you…..”

    Both of you are obsessed with my cock or riding my cock for some reason. It is obvious you both want it bad!

    Have a nice day!

  289. Josh says:

    Brandon Wade,
    Founder
    Seekingarrangement.com

    Mr. Wade,

    Would you please hire Alexis as a writer and brand messenger? Doing so will do wonders for your company and, more importantly, the brand.

    Yours Truly

  290. Nicegirl says:

    Ygbk

    “Hehe. Well, pumpkin kisses, I can try to tell you, but it would require that you tap into that oozy gooey center of yours ;-p.”

    Get the pickaxe out… it will be deep deep dive for the oozy gooey center!

  291. Nicegirl says:

    @ Alexis

    “This blog is so hilarious lol. One thing that does hit me though is how ungrateful the SBs who post here are.”

    This blog is not meant to be a meet and greet. It is meant to enlighten and speak your mind.

    Why wouldn’t you be warmer towards the SDs here? Without their willingness to be generous we would have no potential market in which to profit.

    Warmer? Well, for starters I would want to attract a man that actually likes and values a woman. I am not sure I have seen that often on this blog.

    “This is like walmart greeters clawing at patrons as they enter lol. It just makes no logical sense. It does explain to me though why so many SDs who contact me are defensive, suspicious, and skeptical. Thanks, if nothing else – I’ve at least figured that out.”

    I can’t remember the last time I actually entered a Walmart but I am pretty certain I would never compare myself to a door greeter there or the men I am attracted to the patrons of my hometown Walmart.. Have you seen the pictures of a typical shopper? Scary ;o)

  292. “Josh says:
    August 4, 2014 at 5:22 pm
    @yougottabekiddingme

    “Some of the most intimate and meaningful moments Ive experienced have been non-sexual. I’ll go even further to say that some have been intensely intimate non-sexual experiences with strangers or people Id just met.”

    Awww (obligatory), that’s sho shweet. May I ask what those intimate and meaningful moments entailed? ”

    Hehe. Well, pumpkinkisses, I can try to tell you, but it would require that you tap into that ooey gooey center of yours ;-p.

    So, it would take giving you a bunch of background story to get a complete understanding of what I mean. In short, though, these have been intimate moments of candid and genuine sharing, reception, empathy (and/or desire, in some cases) and felt understanding. Some have been exchanges where language barriers existed (foreign and otherwise), and the only real way to communicate was through nonverbal expressions. Demonstrating that you recognize, understand and/or desire someone by these means can be immensely intimate. I recently had someone recall a moment like this that we shared briefly (not to be confused with a quickie) some months back. She said she just wanted me to know that she appreciated that exchange. Which I actually already knew, because Id felt it, and appreciated it as well. It was very much a reciprocal exchange (though she was the intended recipient, the reward is cyclical) that took minimal physical or verbal effort.

    Hope that gives you an idea, and wasn’t too mushy for ya! I’m somehow imagining a look of disgust or cynical disbelief on your face. Haha. If you’d rather, I can come up with a hardened, more jagged edged explanation for ya? I do know what turns you on ;-p.

  293. “This is like walmart greeters clawing at patrons as they enter lol. It just makes no logical sense. It does explain to me though why so many SDs who contact me are defensive, suspicious, and skeptical. Thanks, if nothing else – I’ve at least figured that out.”

    In fact, this kinda inspires me to get a job as a Walmart greeter just so that I can claw at patrons. Of course I wouldn’t state my agenda in the interview, and will likely be fired immediately. But then maybe I’ll make “The People of Walmart” series, and become famous. THEN! Id come back and host my very own Sugar Affair, and invite all of you…yep, even the grumpy ones :). It would a free party so long as you come wearing claws of some sort. Those who come without claws will be clawed away without mercy!!! Meow? :/

    Y’all will come to the party, right?

    [crickets]

    Perfect! 😀
    K…let me google map the nearest Walmart!
    Party over here, party over here…

  294. “This is like walmart greeters clawing at patrons as they enter lol. It just makes no logical sense. It does explain to me though why so many SDs who contact me are defensive, suspicious, and skeptical. Thanks, if nothing else – I’ve at least figured that out.”

    Hmmm…I prefer to avoid the Walmarts of both the real and sugar worlds.

  295. Alexis says:

    This blog is so hilarious lol. One thing that does hit me though is how ungrateful the SBs who post here are.

    Why wouldn’t you be warmer towards the SDs here? Without their willingness to be generous we would have no potential market in which to profit.

    This is like walmart greeters clawing at patrons as they enter lol. It just makes no logical sense. It does explain to me though why so many SDs who contact me are defensive, suspicious, and skeptical. Thanks, if nothing else – I’ve at least figured that out.

  296. Josh says:

    @Ann

    Please post your id if you want critique on pictures. Otherwise you may copy-paste the profile here.

  297. Ann says:

    Hoping some seasoned SD’s or SB’s can help me out here. I’ve not had much luck on the site and I’d like some positive constructive criticism of my pics and profile. I’m not in my twenties but I don’t think I look like I’m in my forties either.Thanks for reading my post in advance!

  298. Josh says:

    FatB’StardSA

    “What makes you think that is the case?”

    She has no flipping clue FB. But since you asked, she’ll concoct some shit. 😉

  299. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Nicegirl

    “I have a suspicion that you are more of a voyeur here than an actual SD living vicariously through others.”

    What makes you think that is the case?

  300. Josh says:

    Do you think that such idiotic statements bother me a bit?

  301. NS&N."A." says:

    @josh
    … in your head… it boils, and boils…:):)

  302. Josh says:

    Hmmm, so all the crap just boiled down to Almighty Dollar or Pound or Euro, etc.

    Thank you. 😉

  303. NS&N."A." says:

    @Josh
    > for a distinguished financial reason your brain can’t fathom, Dummy; stick to that dreamdoll of yours. Full stop.

  304. Josh says:

    @NSAFUCKINGIDIOTIC “A” PERIOD.

    “Are you aware that you can still be personally sued — collectively — for using a “b”word against ladies whom you don’t know, who might turn out to be lawyers or professors in search of a non-marital serious relationship and reliable communication with like-minded gentlemen whose posts/profiles they’ve found here?… ladies who have never been addressed with insulting words in their daily lives as they have never done anything to deserve it? — who would therefore take the insult at its face-value and respond accordingly in ways that would divert your SD investment in flabbergasting directions?”

    First if all, why would such “distinguished” ladies be lurking on this blog if all they wanted was to look for “a non-marital serious relationship and reliable communication with like-minded gentlemen.”

    Do you write/talk such crap in your daily life or are we the “lucky” ones to have the “honor” to read through your alphabet diarrhea?

    Talk sense and be taken seriously. Talk crap and be prepared to face the music. 😉

  305. NS&N."A." says:

    @ who debated my profile
    … what are you guys saying?… what’s all this typical preposterous back-stabbing?… I’ve written in a last-before-This-Last post: enter NS&”N.A.” in the Member Text box (last category under Seeking side left of any profile’s page) – it’ll take you to a drop-down Member Name where you can enter this code name which is my real one. Anyone can be found that way. May I see your sour faces, too, Sirs? I have no need to hide myself because I would only meet doubly-triply-verified individuals as per my profile’s own verifiable assertions, I’m on numerous sites meeting most extraordinary individuals just for social fun.

    @FatBSD: Be very specific in your statements. Are you aware that you can still be personally sued — collectively — for using a “b”word against ladies whom you don’t know, who might turn out to be lawyers or professors in search of a non-marital serious relationship and reliable communication with like-minded gentlemen whose posts/profiles they’ve found here?… ladies who have never been addressed with insulting words in their daily lives as they have never done anything to deserve it? — who would therefore take the insult at its face-value and respond accordingly in ways that would divert your SD investment in flabbergasting directions?

    Below is the SA excerpt that generated this blog; throughout the blog it is apparent most women agree while most men here try to contradict it. Doesn’t this excerpt sound like SA policy? Personally, I would never dream of posting on a social medium that promotes any kind of indecent relations — I do believe in this article’s validity and agree with the comments of some bloggers here based on my personal and professional knowledge.
    SA: “Sex is not part of the arrangement. From the first date and beyond, sugar does not have a sex requirement. Being in a committed relationship in which two partners take care of each others’ needs can constitute intimacy, but only as a natural progression. The closeness of sex should be experienced out of desire, never obligation.”
    I can see how the above depiction of human relations can interfere with some creepy figures’ self-serving “mentoring”… Good-bye, have a nice day, and watch out for the “overweight, the johns&joshed, and the smugly surelyugly, you 19 year-olds!

  306. Nicegirl says:

    @Eloquence – thanks for sharing that cute and funny video. She is adorable.

  307. Nicegirl says:

    @Josh… what was that? I don’t understand arrogant ignorance

  308. Eloquence says:

    but it’s “all about that bass” (not base)…….kinda like fishing…

  309. Eloquence says:

    Please allow me to interrupt the regular scheduled blog show with a commercial.

    Youtube: Meghan Trainor vevo: “all about that base”

    This one is for you Fatty and for the “B” word you used. I’m just going with the flow here.

  310. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl

    “I am pretty sure I speak for all of the “SB bitches”… 1. That we are not “bitches””

    Please allow me to excentuate the shit women in general utter and the wonder why they are “misunderstood.”

    If I were to say: ‘I am sure I speak or all the “blog men”… 1. That we are not “men”‘.

    Someone will hit me with a proverbial 2×4 and demand that I talk sense.

    But the blog character Nicegirl thought that the sentence made perfect sense. And women insist on “communication” to do what? Listen to utter nonsense? 😉

  311. Nicegirl says:

    @Josh… to warm and fuzzy for you? ;o)

  312. Josh says:

    @yougottabekiddingme

    “Some of the most intimate and meaningful moments Ive experienced have been non-sexual. I’ll go even further to say that some have been intensely intimate non-sexual experiences with strangers or people Id just met.”

    Awww (obligatory), that’s sho shweet. May I ask what those intimate and meaningful moments entailed? 😉

  313. Nicegirl says:

    @FB

    “@The blog SB bitches
    Say what you will about how fat and disgusting I am, but we all know that all of you would be servicing my slimy doink if I offered you an allowance. Have a nice day :).”

    I am pretty sure I speak for all of the “SB bitches”… 1. That we are not “bitches” 2. You get what you give in this world. 3. We have standards in dating… Self proclaimed slimy doinks do not apply.

    I have a suspicion that you are more of a voyeur here than an actual SD living vicariously through others.

  314. FatB'StardSA says:

    @Elaine says

    “When I told him I was ready to prove my profile number, and everything else I have ever stated here on blog, to another blogger of his choice, he never responded.”

    What exactly are you going to “prove” to another blogger? Why do you have to go through another blogger to prove anything?

    @The blog SB bitches

    Say what you will about how fat and disgusting I am, but we all know that all of you would be servicing my slimy dork if I offered you an allowance. Have a nice day :-).

  315. “Elaine says:
    @ ygbkm

    Even doubt he is ANY kind of daddy! ”

    I think you might be right, Elaine.

  316. Some of the most intimate and meaningful moments Ive experienced have been non-sexual. I’ll go even further to say that some have been intensely intimate non-sexual experiences with strangers or people Id just met. As it pertains to sex, I enjoy sex most when my partner has an understanding and appreciation of the intimacies that are not sexual. I think it definitely makes for a deeper connection.

    As for marriage and sex…

    I don’t think that lack of desire for sex means lack of respect, or that a couple isn’t still intimate in some of the same ways described above. Nor does it necessarily mean that they aren’t attracted to, and satiated by each other in other ways. I do think that when sex is a desire or need for either partner, that the other needs to either provide it, delegate it or allow it to be outsourced…if they wish to stay together…without deception.

    On the other side of the coin…

    I think that non-sexual intimacy is just as important in relationships. There are cases where the partner might be receptive to and stimulated by sex, but disconnected from other intimacies. These are the situations where one ends up being accused of “emotional cheating”.

    These, I think, are the men who are willing to share in companionship that doesn’t involve sex maybe. Either they get enough of it, have plenty of access, have had enough or they realize that sex alone doesn’t fulfill the desire for the type of intimacy that you experience from a deeper place.

  317. Nicegirl says:

    @Elaine, @ygbkm, At least he correctly advertises himself as a fat bastard. There should be no surprises with a name like that ;o)

  318. Elaine says:

    @ ygbkm

    Even doubt he is ANY kind of daddy! 😉

  319. “If you where of any value as a SB…”

    pfff…who the flip are you? GoldenTip Daddy?

  320. Elaine says:

    @ NS&N.”A.”

    You know what is so annoying?

    His RoyalPainInTheAss FB is always challenging SB’s, hoping to irritate them to a level where they give up their privacy by sharing their profilenumber here. His preferred method is saying things like: “you don’t even have a profile” or by stating “you don’t dare to publish it”

    Must be a subcatagory of the annoying “pic collectors” …, a “profilenumber collector”!

    Wonder why he never has publiced his if it is so important to know?

    When I told him I was ready to prove my profilenumber, and everything else I have ever stated here on blog, to another blogger of his choice, he never responded.
    He is not only a fat-, but also a coward bastard!

  321. lance says:

    A Sugar baby or what ever type of sigar you seek, either on the giving and recieving meaning both equal both! That is the difference, A Sugar baby is actually a lifestyle that a lot enjoys living. This is no way the same as prostitution,I have known many sugar dadies and babies and hands down they have the best relationships ever! no, drama, no strings, unless you two want that:) bottom line this is a lifestyle for us sugarbaby’s male or female. Have a great experience!

  322. FatB'StardSA says:

    @ygtobkm

    “FatBstard, sweets…

    The only thing you demonstrated by that post is that you can count to three.

    Anything else you wanna add?”

    I like to mentor SB’s so the fact that you have learned how to count to three because of my post means a lot to me.

    @NS&N.”A.”

    If you where of any value as a SB you would post your profile and show everyone what they were missing. We all know this will never happen.

  323. Josh says:

    *in a long run?

  324. Josh says:

    “In the long run, buying prostitutes seems to be an even more expensive way of paying for sex than via marriage, divorce and child support.”

    Why would one want to go for prostitutesin a long run?

  325. Kms2014 says:

    “Thanks for the clarification. So being flown to a new benefactor. . . would be considered SEX, right? and if he pays, that’s sex-for-money, right? If the flight crosses state borders, that’s interstate trafficking, right? Thank you for the clarification hehe.”

    I love how you take my past posts, and twist and turn them to attempt to make me look like something I am not. Not that it is any of your business, but all my past arrangements have been ‘long-term’…longer than three months…which, is considered long-term, according to this site, yes? I am not flown all over the world for various men, but did have a long term arrangement, where I was flown to the city he was working in, occasionally…he worked all over the world, since he worked for a big firm and there were offices all over. If a man has career where travel is part of his job, then you are correct….no, his meetings with you will not be steady as he is not looking for a convenient college co-ed down the street that he can see once a week, as he is rarely home. Please, stop using my words out of context to suit your crazy rants.

    You speak of physical intimacy. And yes, you are correct, in that if a wife starts refusing physical and emotional intimacy, then is a sign of distancing oneself and, perhaps, losing respect for their partner….it seems.

  326. Alexis says:

    And now I’m talking to myself lol. Pffft, forget it not even worth the time to fix that. Ya’ll get what I mean. 😛

  327. Alexis says:

    @Alexis
    No, I don’t allow any of what you’re speaking of (nerves hit, getting insulted) to occur to me. Thanks though for letting me know I hit a nerve with you. I would apologize but it was to be expected as I’ve noted your nerves often get hit on these blogs. I have full faith that you will eventually outgrow this though and I wish you the best of luck in overcoming this challenge.

  328. Kms2014 says:

    From psychology today…the site where I got an armchair diagnosis for certain bloggers, hehe.

    “Intimacy doesn’t mean having a sex life that rivals 50 Shades of Gray. Of course, true intimacy is much sweeter that that. It is an exchange of tender energy between two people who love each other deeply. The intimacy that you exchange with a loving partner can turn bad days into good ones and make your troubles seem much smaller. Without it, your ability to take on the world can be greatly compromised.

    The most important intimate moments are those that happen outside of the bedroom. Reaching your arms around your partner’s waist and giving a squeeze when he or she is working away in the kitchen or around the house is very endearing. Holding hands while you are walking into a store or going out for a stroll together in the park is a bonding experience. There are countless ways to be intimate, and most of them aren’t sexual.”

    If people want to use the word intimacy, in regards to ‘pay for play’ or arrangements where the two people do not really know each other on a higher level, then I think sex is a better term to use….Intimacy is a better terminology used for those in long term arrangements, relationships, marriages, close friendships…ect., in my opinion.

  329. Nicegirl says:

    … Lets move on from this controversial topic… not sure why it is so controversial but it clearly is.

  330. Kms2014 says:

    Along with looking up the actual definition of intimacy, one might also choose to look up maturity.

  331. Kms2014 says:

    Wow…must have been some truth to statement for someone to respond so quickly and nastily.

  332. Kms2014 says:

    I agree with nicegirl…intimacy, in life and definition, is more than just the act of sex. In fact, intimacy is more often than not, used to describe a very close friendship and sharing intimate details of one’s past and present, with someone you are close to.

    Also, if you think what nicegirl said was insulting, then you haven’t read the blog much. There are some proper rude men on here….

    If someone feels that intimacy or refusal of is a statement of someone not being worthy…that sounds like someone who needs validation constantly, which is another sign of a narc.

  333. Nicegirl says:

    @ Alexis…

    Looks like I unintentionally hit a nerve. PS… If I wanted to insult you, you would have been insulted.

  334. Alexis says:

    @Nicegirl
    I’m sorry but all I can do is lol at your statement. I don’t think you realize how silly you sound.

    More seriously though, I’m sorry to learn that you grew up in a household where it was acceptable to insult others. That’s very sad. Keep in mind that the insults one throws at another often reflect how they feel about themselves. Your statement tells me that you likely feel shallow and lacking of life experiences. Honestly that’s really more than I wanted to know about you at this time lol, but it’s all good.

    @SunShineSD
    “For people in age groups that still enjoy libido, refusing intimacy in what is presumably a sexual relationship spells disgust and antipathy towards the person; i.e. “you are not worthy of intimacy from me.” ”
    Exactly!

  335. Mystique says:

    @SunShineSD…thanks for your insight. I appreciate it.

  336. Josh says:

    @whitneyw

    “Women like security and men like approval.”

    The guru has spoken. We can kiss the ring and sit quiet until spoken to. 😉

  337. whitneyw says:

    Oh, you crazy internet… Here, let me help you:

    Women like security and men like approval.

  338. Nicegirl says:

    @Josh

    The topic was intimacy…
    Got it. 😉

  339. Josh says:

    Sex = Shallow

    Gifts galore, allowance, etc. = Not shallow.

    Got it. 😉

  340. Nicegirl says:

    @Alexis – “To me there is absolutely nothing intimate about spending time (nonsexual) with someone.”

    A comment like that makes you seem either shallow or that you have had very few life experiences if your most intimate moment was having sex. You should google intimacy.

  341. Alexis says:

    @Nicegirl
    “Does there have to be more?”
    Yes, there has to be more. If you will notice I was speaking about myself and what I found indecent.

    “I say to each their own and who are we to judge what would prompt someone to pay for companionship of any kind or the woman that would take money to provide such companionship…”
    Thank you for sharing your opinion.

    “Spending time with someone can be more intimate than sex”
    Thank you again for sharing your opinion. Personally, I just don’t see anything more intimate than sex. To me there is absolutely nothing intimate about spending time (nonsexual) with someone.

  342. Mystique says:

    Hi All,

    This conversation has been very enlightening. I have one quick, simple question. What is up with the “favorite” distinction? Is this as useless as the “wink” that recently went away. I have had some interesting people reach out, and I have a few meetings scheduled, but tons of people “favorite” me without even saying hello. What’s up with that?

  343. Kms2014 says:

    “John says:
    August 3, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    KMS 2014 your comment is irrelevant, the topic is payment for sex. Women need money, guys will pay women in order to enjoy their bodies. Medical conditions, gossip, hero worship of Derek Jeter do not have a bearing on the discussion at hand. And you make my point for me. As soon as the the hard facts of payemnt for sex for WHATEVER reason are the topic, the conversation takes a turn to a different, unrelated topic in an effort to deflect your possible distaste for the whole concept of money for sex.”

    Really? You brought up the Jeter…not me 😉 You seem upset….I am an older SB, so my target market is the antithesis of what you want, or what I seek. You see arrangements one way, I look at them and handle them differently. To each their own.

  344. NS&N."A." says:

    @ygtbkm
    Thanks for virtually boxing the ears of that FatBstard on my behalf… why should I answer to someone who 1. is Bastard, 2. is Fat(?!), 3. is Wrong (thinking I’d EVER care to impress 1.,2.). And 4. – ad infinitum: he obviously wallows with the limited-ones, why is he addressing me?….
    @ygtbkm
    “I don’t see where your NS&N.”A.” address is posted, but sincere and witty people are my kind of people.”
    Then we might ponder the initiative to launch an online Witty Ones’ Club right on this site sometime soon. :) (Strict criteria for admittance of course, it’s likely SA would love the additional fees.) Yes, virtually aeons away from the foul-mouthed-uselessly-moneyed-sour-faced-wackily-dangerous-ones. Personally, I am here for only one male profile that impressed me. But there are clearly two distinct trends – the Decent and the Lowly – that divide the posted profiles into very “interesting” and “worthless” in the male section as well as the female section. I see Josh’s, FatBSD, etc as worthless to me because I’ve never interacted with their kind. I get great messages from relaxed intelligent well-meaning men and women who certainly would belong in an SA Witty Ones’ Club:)!:)
    If you enter NS&N.”A.” under Member Name in Search it will take you to my SA profile/email, let’s communicate more.

  345. NS&N."A." says:

    @ygtbkm
    Thanks for virtually boxing the ears of that FatBstard on my behalf… why should I answer to someone who 1. is Bastard, 2. is Fat(?!), 3. is Wrong (thinking I’d EVER care the impress 1.,2.). And 4. – ad infinitum: he obviously wallows with the limited-ones, why is he addressing me?….
    @ygtbkm
    “I don’t see where your NS&N.”A.” address is posted, but sincere and witty people are my kind of people.”
    Then we might ponder the initiative to launch an online Witty Ones’ Club right on this site sometime soon. :) (Strict criteria for admittance of course, it’s likely SA would love the additional fees.) Yes, virtually aeons away from the foul-mouthed-uselessly-moneyed-sour-faced-wackily-dangerous-ones. Personally, I am here for only one male profile that impressed me. But there are clearly two distinct trends – the Decent and the Lowly – that divide the posted profiles into very “interesting” and “worthless” in the male section as well as the female section. I see Josh’s, FatBSD, etc as worthless to me because I’ve never interacted with their kind. I get great messages from relaxed intelligent well-meaning men and women who certainly would belong in an SA Witty Ones’ Club:)!:)
    If you enter NS&N.”A.” under Member Name in Search it will take you to my SA profile/email, let’s communicate more.

  346. John says:

    KMS 2014 your comment is irrelevant, the topic is payment for sex. Women need money, guys will pay women in order to enjoy their bodies. Medical conditions, gossip, hero worship of Derek Jeter do not have a bearing on the discussion at hand. And you make my point for me. As soon as the the hard facts of payemnt for sex for WHATEVER reason are the topic, the conversation takes a turn to a different, unrelated topic in an effort to deflect your possible distaste for the whole concept of money for sex.

  347. Kms2014 says:

    Famous people gossip, and unfortunately have a friend who is avid baseball fan of his….anyway, Mr. Jeter has many reports out there that he has ‘the herp’, and has even spread it to many hollywood ladies. So, the girls, potentially might leave with more than those charming gift baskets. The gift that keeps giving…..

  348. Kms2014 says:

    “John says:
    August 3, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    OMG you people KILL me. Sugar baby is another name for prostitiute, get over yourselves already. Good lord. It is sex for money, nothing else. Don’t get me wrong, I like it. Getting to bang a 19 year old who needs 500 bucks for rent or food is awesome. LOVE the site.”

    What a swell guy 😉 lol!

  349. John says:

    @ Josh I agree. 97% of the time guys pay for sex from girls, PERIOD. The 2% we don’t need to discuss because we know what I am referring to. The 1% remainder is just a lucky night, one night stand. Derek Jeter leaves his girls a gift basket containging signed baseballs, bats, jerseys, etc the next morning. Are those items “worth” as much to him as say $2, 3, 5 or 10K to most of us? No of course not, but it is PAYMENT. It has been that way and will be that way for a long time.

  350. Josh says:

    SD and SB who supposedly live in the same city travelled 600 miles each to meet for ten minutes…

    That’s a script for a Hollywood movie already. 😉

  351. John says:

    OMG you people KILL me. Sugar baby is another name for prostitiute, get over yourselves already. Good lord. It is sex for money, nothing else. Don’t get me wrong, I like it. Getting to bang a 19 year old who needs 500 bucks for rent or food is awesome. LOVE the site.

  352. Kms2014 says:

    By the way…think it is extremely rude and low brow to put any kind of allowance offer or ask me what allowance I am seeking, in a first email. Never bothered with men who cannot even be troubled to inquire my name or learn more about each other…and actually meet, first….before the talk of allowance is brought up.

  353. Kms2014 says:

    @nicegirl…I remember when I first signed up for site, I got a few emails..and still do, occasionally, where the men are looking for me to drive to them? And, they are offering these really low allowance amounts to boot…not that I ask, but they put them in their emails to me. They are just looking for the newbies and thinking they are naive, I reckon. If I am bored, will mess with them a little 😉 if not, then DELETE….delusional chaps, they are…hehe

  354. Kms2014 says:

    No worries (: Some men are very good at hiding their true intentions. Some, are just being cautious as well…It is hard, as is hard to know until you really speak to them and see their face. Some women use the skype option, and I have a few times as well… just to have a quick conversation to see if you both click and that the other person is what they seem to be.

  355. Nicegirl says:

    I agree with Kms on the 6 hour drive. He probably thought you were a bit desperate if you were willing to drive that far… not say you are, but you were probably sending that signal with agreeing to driving that far.

  356. NeferetDes says:

    @nicegirl @Kms2014
    Thank you both so much!!! You have really helped out :)

  357. NeferetDes says:

    Exactly. That is why I pick a place and time I know will be busy. I take other precautions too. But I definitely appreciate your advice and comments :)

  358. Kms2014 says:

    @neferet…the best advice I can give is to screen a potential relentlessly, and do not waste your time meeting, unless you are sure he seems legitimate…and ask questions on here, anytime (: Is very hard being new on here…I remember not knowing what the protocol should be. If I get any sort of bad vibe, or feel like the guy is not putting my safety or comfort first, at anytime, then in my opinion, is best to cut him and put in the reject pile.

  359. Nicegirl says:

    @NeferetDes. I also want to remind you that you are talking to complete strangers. You should be very cautious on where you are meeting. You never really know who it is on the other end of the computer screen. Please be careful.

  360. NeferetDes says:

    Thank you both. I seriously will screen better.

  361. NeferetDes says:

    Actually my profile does state that, that’s what kills me…I’m guessing either they did not read my profile or they assumed I would be dumb enough to just go with it. Lesson has been learned. lol

  362. Kms2014 says:

    I wouldn’t drive six hours, even if a man was meeting me halfway….the man should arrange travel for you or come to you, especially, for the first date. Six hours is quite a drive….

    @neferetdes, The fact that he expected you to drive to him…it really doesn’t surprise me that he then expected you to be intimate right away. Not a gentleman move, from the beginning. Watch out for any type of red flags, even in emails. People tell you who they really are…even in the tiniest details sometimes. It is hard being new on this site, as I got scammed…even if you are very savvy, it can still happen, occasionally…

  363. NeferetDes says:

    @nicegirl Yes I realize this mistake now. lol According to him he was in southern Texas for a meeting and so we both traveled to the halfway point, since again according to him it would be the only time he could meet until September since business called him to California. He ensured that whether or not we continued with everything that he would reimburse me for my travels. Which he did not. Clearly it was all a lie. He supposedly lives in my city but I doubt that as well.

    I am new to this but perhaps after these few bad experiences I won’t be so naive anymore. Thank you for your opinions and advice :)

  364. Nicegirl says:

    @NeferetDes, “Yes I have tried to discuss this prior to meeting but the few I have met have always insisted that it is only to be discussed in person.”

    Maybe you should put something on your page that says the general parameters such as how you want the arrangement to go. Don’t be too specific but if you don’t want a pay 4 play then say that. I do think men want to decide the finical part in person because they want to meet you before they divulge that info. Just confirm you are not meeting for a one night stand if that is something you are not into.

    You will meet awful people, however, you will meet some amazing successful men that add value to your life. I am not only referring to financial value either. ;o)

  365. Nicegirl says:

    @NeferetDes… “I drove 6 hours to meet ”

    What??? I hope he too drove 6 hours and met you half way!!!! That is your first mistake. If a man is unwilling to meet you in the middle for the initial meeting then it is his loss. What would you have done if it worked out? That seems like an extreme distance between the two of you.

  366. NeferetDes says:

    @nicegirl Yes I have tried to discuss this prior to meeting but the few I have met have always insisted that it is only to be discussed in person. Perhaps that should be a warning there. I agree that ‘per meeting transactions’ are not ideal, well for me that is. To me they make things awkward, but perhaps that is me.

  367. NeferetDes says:

    @Nicegirl

    Oh no! I had literally sat down with my coffee when he started in. I drove 6 hours to meet him and I spent perhaps 10 minutes with him when he started in. When I flatly said no, well he started with the insults and I left. I thought even if we decided to not follow through with an arrangement, we could at least at like mature adults, finish our coffee and go our separate ways.

    It was very surprising, he was very polite in his messages. I’m definitely going to employ a more difficult screening from now on. :)

  368. Nicegirl says:

    @NeferetDes – I personally do not like a money exchange and for me it should be something that never needs to be discussed after the first meeting. Find someone that upfront (before you meet) is looking for a monthly allowance situation. If it works out and you like one another he can either deposit money directly into your account on a schedule that he is comfortable with or give you a debit card that has money loaded on it. I am sure there are loads of other options but these are two that might make you feel comfortable with it.

    Some ladies are fine with a per meeting transaction, I just have never been attracted to that because I like longer term arrangements where we get to know each other, not one time meetings.

  369. Nicegirl says:

    @NeferetDes – “One said, yesterday, he must sleep with me that day in order to rate my skills before we made an arrangement…this was all said in a coffee shop…not very discreet or respectful if you ask me. Even worse he offered me $100 for my time, if he decides I’m not want he wants in bed…needless to say I walked out.

    What a looser!!! I would be so upset and offended. I hope you didn’t have to spend too much time talking before his true intensions came out. That is an awful experience!

  370. Nicegirl says:

    @Alexis, “There has to be more. There is no way I could accept money from a man just for talking. That’s just something one human being does for another. Yes, it can be part of an arrangement but if that’s all there is to the arrangement – gee that’s just awful IMO.”

    Does there have to be more? I say to each their own and who are we to judge what would prompt someone to pay for companionship of any kind or the woman that would take money to provide such companionship… Spending time with someone can be more intimate than sex

  371. NeferetDes says:

    Do not misunderstand me, I got through several messages with these men and discuss a wide range of things but the few men I have met have seemed to be truly different in person. It makes me question if the next will be a true SD or not, since it seems there are plenty of pretenders (SD and SB).

  372. NeferetDes says:

    This is where I have been having issues.
    I have tried to explain to the SD that contact me that I would not be against intimacy if it is something that interests us both after we have gotten to know one another. But these few that I have talked to and actually met in person want to either demand sex before entering an agreement.
    One said, yesterday, he must sleep with me that day in order to rate my skills before we made an arrangement…this was all said in a coffee shop…not very discreet or respectful if you ask me. Even worse he offered me $100 for my time, if he decides I’m not want he wants in bed…needless to say I walked out.
    I have tried to tell SD when we exchange messages that I wouldn’t mind intimacy eventually. But I will not have it demanded of me. I also try to discuss our “must haves”, allowance expectations and schedules plus other expectations. But I have found many of them refuse to discuss these terms with me expect in person. I have only met three men from here and in public and they seem like different men in person. They all argue that sex is a must and only offer a range from $50-100. regardless of what my profile says and then they insult me more when I disagree to this…I am new to this but I know that a Sugar arrangement is not an escort service. But perhaps they expect me to go for whatever because I am new? I would appreciate any advice on how to pick these men out from the real SDs please.

  373. Alexis says:

    @Josh lol that’s so sweet.

    @Jj I wouldn’t be happy with that “needle”. In fact, I’m glad it *is* a needle. There has to be more. There is no way I could accept money from a man just for talking. That’s just something one human being does for another. Yes, it can be part of an arrangement but if that’s all there is to the arrangement – gee that’s just awful IMO.

  374. Jj says:

    @Hinkley…@Alexis… I have “heard” that type of social arrangement is out there,but so extremely rare that it is doubtful to be true less it be an elder gent who just wants conversation company. May as well be as looking for the proverbial needle in the haystack as most all arrangement progress toward intimacy. just say’n

  375. Josh says:

    @Alexis

    What did we do to deserve a couple of very sensible SBs to post sensible thoughts for a change?

    Note: Lest one of the delusional SBs interprets it othetwise, the above is a compliment.

  376. Alexis says:

    @Hinkley: I’m trying to figure out where the sugarbaby fits in there lol.

    “well i cant seem to find a guy that doesnt require sex. all of them require sex for the arrangement. now i find that me registering to this site is pointless because i might as well be a prostitute unless you find me someone that isnt willing to have sex but have a mutually beneficial arrangement .”

    How is it that so many girls come here with this mentality? I don’t get it. What do they think “mutually beneficial” means? As a woman, I just find this so frustrating because it makes us look so dumb lol. It’s also so arrogant and delusional to think that someone is just going to give you thousands of dollars a month just to exist.

  377. Josh says:

    “If FlyR in impressed by her then were will know for sure that her posts are worthless.”

    FlyR is our litmus test for worthless posts indeed. I wonder who will be our benchmark for worthless posts if/when FlyR stops posting? 😉

  378. Josh says:

    @HoneyButter

    There’s nothing wrong with your approach dear. Best of success.

  379. HoneyButter says:

    I don’t really see much wrong with this blog.. I’d like getting to know someone before making the commitment. Even if it’s a SD/SB thing i’d like to be compatible with them don’t u think?

  380. “FatB’StardSD says:
    August 1, 2014 at 12:06 pm
    yougottabeshittingme thinks “NS.N.”A.”” is brilliant so that is one strike against her. Stupid posts are two strikes against her. If FlyR in impressed by her then were will know for sure that her posts are worthless.”

    FatBstard, sweets…

    The only thing you demonstrated by that post is that you can count to three.

    Anything else you wanna add?

  381. FatB'StardSD says:

    yougottabeshittingme thinks “NS.N.”A.”” is brilliant so that is one strike against her. Stupid posts are two strikes against her. If FlyR in impressed by her then were will know for sure that her posts are worthless.

  382. @NS.N.”A.”

    Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful replies. I appreciate the Venn Diagram concept of third input in seemingly black and white ideals. You touch on some pretty big concepts of which I suppose one must have some sort of fundamental understanding to appreciate. I find you brilliant.

    I don’t see where your NS&N.”A.” address is posted, but sincere and witty people are my kind of people. My address is yougottabekiddingme2014 at gmail. It’d be great to talk with you.

  383. “Don’t listen to sour grapes yougottabeshittingme either. We like to slap her around because she proactively asks for the same by posting wild fiction and word gymnastics.”

    I am a grape of the sweetest most succulent variety. Open your mouth, and I’ll show you.

    Your slaps, by the way, are flaccid and laughable at best.

    You do come up with some pretty great names for me though. Thanks for that.

    yougottabeshittingme

  384. FatB'StardSD says:

    “I think this blog is great, but I won’t have anymore time for blogs;”

    At least there was some good news in the post. Why do people write like this on a blog? Is this what liberal arts students resort to in order to convince people that they are intelligent?

  385. NS&N."A." says:

    @Josh

    What level of intelligence does it require to read my responses to Kms2014 that the write-up was just a copy paste from Amazon?

    Oops:) well. your Amaz. review sounded so much like you… anyone would think… :)

  386. Josh says:

    @NS&N.”A.”

    “doubts have been expressed that the women who sound intellectual on this site would be one and the same fictional individual.”

    “did you use the grand charms of the doll before handing it lovingly to your daughter? (No need to reply to me.)”

    What level of intelligence does it require to read my responses to Kms2014 that the write-up was just a copy paste from Amazon?

    If age was NOT an issue women would not have come up with the fucking nonsense of “it’s not polite to ask a woman her age.”

    How “intelligent” one needs to be to suggest, “Someone here said women have an expiration day. I think that was invented in the US by cosmetic surgeones [sp] to compel men and women into atrocious “enhancements””

    Whoever is paying “really well” (self-proclamation) to this fictional character to write whatever she writes outside of this blog is an idiot. 😉

  387. NS&N."A." says:

    @ all bloggers
    Last night I read through this almost-500 message section, and it made me laugh so copiously at times that I thought I should give back to this motley society by posting my own take on the whole matter, as a detached amused witness from another cultural space. Sorry for not referencing your exact code-names, I’ll address generically the main topic & comments:
    1. SunshineSD, it’s a pity you got so much bashing for feeling the way any normal male is supposed to feel in any normal country on Earth: wishing to copulate only with the female who chooses you of the many to carry your progenity is a basic healthy animalistic wish, an instinct like that of a lion or wolf. You don’t want a she(bitch)wolf, you want a lioness, or more? My respects to you … if you Truly have what it takes to deserve being the king out there.) Unfortunately you’ve been – transparently! – crazed and over-crazed by your past experiences, so the way you formulate your wishes comes across almost as “criminally” calculated, stirring all the primordial fears and all the bristles in female witnesses. You see, I come from a folk culture that documents “female deviousness as being superior to that of any belzebub” — definitely above that of any regular guy’s planning. I personally stayed away from that (mysogynist? truthful?) depiction, since I am very religious — but to me it’s interesting to see how here, in the USA, the most educated and gifted women level their ground with men by using their intelect and fists “GI Jane”-style, while the less-educated females grow into and use with men precisely that time-honored instinctual deviousness of legendary women… no wonder tons of US men prefer girls like Treasured here who seem more manageable (☺!)… while attractive well-meaning attorney girls scream all alone from the rooftops…. To end my point, SunshineSD, you’re likely to meet one “young innocent” whose instincts will read through your planning, get you the baby and your allowance for the rest of her life, it’s being done everyday. That unless you’re playing revengeful deviousness yourself, having had a vasectomy and pretending to wish a baby all along when in fact you just wish to pray on as many bad & good girls as possible just because you can…. It’s known that a woman who genuinely wishes a baby loves the potential father and gives all of herself…. That’d be emotional theft, SB, deceiving her to give you what she should give to another well-meaning one. But you do appear pretty blunt to me…, so I think you’re really well-meaning in your troglodite manner…so, good luck and watch out, read some ancient literature besides the “What Women Want” portion in the grocery store magazine.
    2. Talking about suspicions of deviousnes: doubts have been expressed that the women who sound intellectual on this site would be one and the same fictional individual. I don’t think that’s true, their temperaments seem different judging by their styles… but what do I know? Anyway, that’s a positive point: ladies, I suggest we cooperate in scouting others like us and kindly inviting the SA managers to create a “virtual estate” just for the decent upper-educated members, apart from all opportunists. I’m on this site for a decent goal that’s stated in my profile. I should not be ashamed, but I do feel my voice should not have to intersect with that of types I’ve never associated with. As a pro-argument for education-based segregation: common wisdom has it that Match.com is the romantic option while SA is for the conniving materialists, or worse… in reality I shut down some preposterous Match encounters realizing that it’s a libertine “girl-friend”-recycling pool. For the entire history of humanity, beautiful women have been priced (bride price, chivalrous protection, maintenance, etc) for their not giving themselves “freely” (their virtue) and not for sleeping to the right and the left – the way Match men are expecting — in the name of confused liberal theories. SA is surely a conservative-type social medium of a social-hierarchy kind:). So I’m hoping in future the SA strategy will allow us to occupy our proper virtual boxes in this hierarchy of matching arrangement interests. This way self-assertive girls like Treasured, will not have to cross voices anymore with others’ philosophical streaks, and US men – poor abused souls — will finally know which direction to go for either healing or more sinking.:)
    3. Someone was asking i.e. “can anyone define what’s a real SB and what is not real?”. And someone else compared women to cars, I think it was still our popular SunS. A modern day definition would be: leasing a car knowing that you can buy it – or not – after e.g. 3 years; if you prefer to replace it with a new one, that’s easier and cheaper than if you were to commit. That is why a contract is needed – in legal marriages it is called a prenup or ketuba or who knows what in many other ancient conservative traditions. You don’t want to sign it, move into the “treasured” section where it’s all negotiable and fast like any bad-for-you-fast-food. This definition doesn’t apply to me, as I’ve lived differently and if I were a car I would be a brand-new antique☺ I guess, but I think it fits the US black & white scene. In a recent article about SA the writer was “fearing that this SA marketing is worse than promiscuity”. No, dear, it’s likely the end of the promiscuity and confusion that have started in the 50s….
    4. Personally I don’t care about age. Someone here said women have an expiration day. I think that was invented in the US by cosmetic surgeones to compel men and women into atrocious “enhancements”. In other cultures it’s different, for instance ancient Egyptians thought that the most beautiful woman was “one who was not split by the child-birth”, the Greek beauty goddess was depicted as mature and motherly. (Regarding the value of grown-up women in the eyes of other cultures’ beholders, I’d love to make you smile by telling you a known saying from that ancient culture I mentioned before…but it may be too bold for some gentlemen here.) On an elegant-note, years ago the French chose Catherine Deneuve – then 40 – as the most beautiful woman in France, recently in a survey she (now 60sh) still topped as the most desirable mistress for men 20-90 or so…. Wonder why?
    I think this blog is great, but I won’t have anymore time for blogs; do contact me on my NS&N.”A.” address if you wish to exchange further views; I am rather alone in Texas, would like to make sincere witty friends that make me laugh, to me this is a social medium like any other. Really, why any tensions and vitriol? each of us will find its own either here or elsewhere.

  388. NS&N."A." says:

    @Josh But I didn’t have extra money to buy a woman’s doll outfit, so I chose to give Inflatable Judy to my daughter “as is”.
    Wow J…. you haven’t told the people yet: did you use the grand charms of the doll before handing it lovingly to your daughter? (No need to reply to me.)

  389. Josh says:

    @AvaDark,

    Aren’t you a sweetheart! You’ll do well in sugar. 😉

  390. Josh says:

    @Kms2014

    “or woman is upset about something, so it turns her off.”

    Many women are upset most of the time or at least feigning upsetness to some end.

    If being upset puts women out of pocket, then it’s not the same for men. A sexually normal man has to be sweating, shaking, can’t-even-speak mad to shut down sexually. 😉

  391. AvaDark says:

    @Kms2014
    I promise I am real, not a ghostwriter, although writing is one of my pursuits. I like to think I have at least a reasonable degree of talent, and maybe I do if I can successfully masquerade as Josh! 😉
    @Josh
    Thank you for the welcome and the always thorough response. I enjoy following your comments through the threads. You certainly keep the conversations rolling!

    @youvegottobekiddingme and @Josh
    Everyone has an opinion and different experiences. I enjoy reading the good, the bad, and the ugly, and taking everything with a grain of salt. Without the contrast, there wouldn’t be a conversation! And also, a community is just a group of people who are trying to manifest something from a similar basic idea. However, the ideas and the opinions morph into something different for everyone along the way. Dysfunctional or not, I’d still consider SA a community, and I’m still happy to have found it.

    <3 to All!

  392. Josh says:

    @AvaDark

    “I am coming in to SA with a lot of sound advice in my ear, patience, and perseverance,”

    Those are key ingredients.

    “knowing that the rewards far outweigh the effort.”

    Bingo! This attitude will take you far.

    “I appreciate that SA has an active blog/comment community.”

    We prefer to talk real happenings in the sugar world instead of fiction yougottabeshittingme and a few others try to promote here.

    “Even moreso than the initial blog topics,”

    The blog topics are written by clueless SA employees who may never have been active in the sugar life themselves ever. So don’t pay much attention to them.

    “I’m looking forward to continuing to be a part of the SA community on the road to a sweeter life! <3 Love to all!"

    Don't listen to sour grapes yougottabeshittingme either. We like to slap her around because she proactively asks for the same by posting wild fiction and word gymnastics.

    Best of success!

  393. Kms2014 says:

    It is…lol!

  394. Josh says:

    No I am not that creative. But I also thought that it was hilarious. 😉

  395. Kms2014 says:

    @Josh, hehehe…did you ghostwrite that review? 😉

  396. Hinckley says:

    Heeeere’s Johnny!

  397. @AvaDark

    Please do not mistake this place for a community. The concept it foreign here.

  398. AvaDark says:

    I am a new SB, but was introduced to the Sugar culture about a year ago by a friend. I am coming in to SA with a lot of sound advice in my ear, patience, and perseverance, knowing that the rewards far outweigh the effort. I haven’t found my arrangement yet, and while I am searching, I appreciate that SA has an active blog/comment community. Even moreso than the initial blog topics, the follow-up comments from SD’s and SB’s alike are tremendously insightful.
    @All – Thank you for your honesty and frankness and for being willing to share your stories, frustrations, and ‘happy endings.’ I’m looking forward to continuing to be a part of the SA community on the road to a sweeter life! <3 Love to all!

  399. Josh says:

    @Kms2014, the above post is in response to your BOB comment.

  400. Josh says:

    Here is one of the reviews of Judy Inflatable Doll from Amazon…

    I bought this a while back and it’s a great product that even makes for a great gift! You see, I found myself in a pickle because my daughter Lacey’s 5th birthday was coming up and I needed to find a perfect present. I didn’t know what she really liked, since the court only allows me to see her once every other month.

    I knew she liked dolls, though. But I couldn’t just get her ANY doll, since my ex would probably give her some Barbies. I needed to go BIG. And for my money, it just doesn’t get any bigger than “Inflatable Judy”! When I inflated “Judy”, she grew to life size! She was taller than my ex (and in better shape too, I must add).

    Now, I gotta mention that clothes are sold SEPARATELY for this doll. That’s probably why it came so cheap. But I didn’t have extra money to buy a woman’s doll outfit, so I chose to give Inflatable Judy to my daughter “as is”.

    You should have seen the looks on everybody’s faces when I pulled up to the party, opened the passenger door of the Escort, and pulled out “Inflatable Judy”! The kids all seemed surprised, and the parents were real mad because they knew I got Lacey the biggest gift. I said, “Hey everybody, heeeeeeere’s Judy!!!” Then my ex ran up and slapped me upside the head. Probably because Inflatable Judy was at least 10 times the size of those stupid Barbies! I sure showed her how to pick out a “real” present!

    Now, I can only give this product 4 stars because, like I said, the clothing is sold separately. Also, I didn’t get to see how much Lacey liked the doll because my ex called the cops to enforce that jerkball restraining order she has out on me. Some gratitude, huh? Anyway, I recommend this product to anybody who’s looking for a high-quality doll that can inflate to life size. Just don’t go showing it off in front of the whole neighborhood: a woman’s jealousy knows no bounds when she meets “Inflatable Judy”!!

  401. Nicegirl says:

    @Miffs, if the money is an issue you should not be here. If you are finding that you are having to literally “ask” then you are meeting with the wrong SD. That is a question you should never have to ask and if you do… move on.

  402. Kms2014 says:

    Women can get a BOB, Josh…which, is better than some men. Used some just for you, hehe. But, really….I think many women are fine with waiting and being selective, but it sure isn’t fun for all of them 😉 most women love sex just as much as men….if you think otherwise, then you have been with the wrong women, or woman is upset about something, so it turns her off.

  403. Kms2014 says:

    Quite rare*

    And meant, ‘Miffs’, not ‘Muffs’…

  404. Josh says:

    @Danielle

    Anyone who uses the word “masses” is pretty much an elitist; overt or closet. 😉

  405. Kms2014 says:

    “Miffs says:
    July 31, 2014 at 11:25 am
    well i cant seem to find a guy that doesnt require sex. all of them require sex for the arrangement. now i find that me registering to this site is pointless because i might as well be a prostitute unless you find me someone that isnt willing to have sex but have a mutually beneficial arrangement .”

    Muffs, there are all kinds on here….have had arrangements before that did not include sex, or there was a long period of waiting for there to be natural progression before sex. These types of arrangements are quite area, though, as most men, whether in regular dating or arrangements, do want sex 😉 The key is to find someone you are attracted to, and wants things to progress naturally, not feel transactional….and be the type of relationship that adds value to both his life and yours (:

  406. Josh says:

    @Miff

    On a different note, stop asking for money. Since you will remove one element of the equation, you will kot feel like a prostitute.

    Problem solved. Next? 😉

  407. Josh says:

    Re: Men and sex…

    Sex is man’s need like air, water and food.

    Sex is a discretionary activity for a woman. I have known women who had not done it for months and were fine with that.

    Some men can handle that. Most can’t.

  408. Josh says:

    @Miffs

    “well i cant seem to find a guy that doesnt require sex. all of them require sex for the arrangement.”

    Duh!

    “now i find that me registering to this site is pointless because i might as well be a prostitute”

    You need to move on dear. Sugar is not prostitution AND with this image of sugar in your mind, it’s not for you. 😉

  409. Nicegirl says:

    @Miffs. I have been offered arrangements for things other than sex before. It is rare but it does happen. Are you prepared to be a spanking partner for someone… that is the type of non sex arrangement you might find.

  410. Miffs says:

    well i cant seem to find a guy that doesnt require sex. all of them require sex for the arrangement. now i find that me registering to this site is pointless because i might as well be a prostitute unless you find me someone that isnt willing to have sex but have a mutually beneficial arrangement .

  411. Hinckley says:

    @Alexis I would never. All I want in life is a nice cave, a good book, and a fast toy ;p

  412. Josh says:

    “the nice, sweet, naive young women”

    😉

  413. Josh says:

    @NS&N.”A.”

    “(Is this how you always write “weirdo”?… never mind:)…)”

    Ah the spelling anal-izing SB!

  414. musemeNYC says:

    I rejoined this site, after having a couple of experiences back in 2010. I can tell you this – It has gone downhill completely!

    Everyone single one of them either refuses to meet me, or ends the date quickly. It is so obvious that dudes are just using this site to prey on naive young girls.

    The site says – if you are an ESCORT, do not use this site…..They need to quit with the horrible sexism! They need to say – if you are a JOHN, you will be reported to the authorities!

    This blame the female crap – less than 1% of women would ever accept money for sex, over 50% of males have no problem paying for it….this negative attitude towards arrangements is because of the johns, not the nice, sweet, naive young women who being preyed on. And that wording about escorts just perpetuates, even attracts the undesirable males.

  415. NS&N."A." says:

    @Josh WTF!!! I guess I was drinking Brandon’s Kool-Aid all along. I had thought that 70% of the SDs were looking for connection, 20% were providing mentorship to SBs, and 10% were perverts and wierdos?
    @NS&N.”A.” Nice to know that you comprehend what you write.

    It’s hard not to comprehend that 100% are looking for connection.
    (Is this how you always write “weirdo”?… never mind:)…)

  416. Alexis says:

    @ Hinckley… never underestimate the healing power of a good cave.

  417. Hinckley says:

    I was thinking I would read (most of) these comments as a sort of introduction to the schools of thought on this site but my eyes have glazed over, two fifths of the way down the page. Now I am torn between facetiously laughing, closing my laptop, and running a bath, or giving up on humanity and finding a nice cave.

  418. Alexis says:

    My goodness this article threw me for a loop with #4 lol. I think, yes, it’s just the site owner(s) attempting to legally protect himself/themselves. Sex is obviously an expectable portion of this lifestyle. To think otherwise is naive or delusional.

  419. Danielle says:

    I’d say this, a man invites a woman out, he should never stiff with half the bill. If a woman instantly goes into cash talk, walk. Be a gentleman despite the nasty obvious, keep on track and look harder.

    I myself find a man who knows what he wants, what he’s after and how to ensure his investments are secure to be quite the conversation. Driven needs should not dictate a meeting but for the love of sex lets be adults. A guy hounding for sex is just as bad a woman looking for a foolish SD.

    I’d like to use a phrase that’s stuck with me for years. First impressions last a lifetime, if your impression is to be first, waiting half a lifetime is the last worry on your mind.

  420. Danielle says:

    Think these sites please the masses. Despite recent events covered by the news, I find the conversations I’ve had with SD’s seems to be on point. Don’t get me wrong, I have a child and yeah, I like sex too, but can’t I enjoy companionship in all facets and still behind closed doors be the freak chick in the photo?

    I can take out my jewelry and “paint” on a face of sophistication when need be but being uptight prevents “natural progression”. Oh god look at the women on here, wow they must desperately need cash or some crap. How about no. Lol. Not for the price of my body.

    I enjoy these sites because you get to meet different people, hear different stories, and yes, enjoy a benefit or two. Would selling oneself be called such if more women used the phrase empowered by my womanhood?

  421. Josh says:

    there are those that only see women as weak little creatures who can only survive through marriage or being an SB”

    I am not one of them. I believe that women can and should lead their own lives amd not get into a “relationship” with a man unless they are either sabotage free naturally or have gone thru a coaching program that makes them sabotage free.

    The recommendations for men would be to be violence free, deadbeatness free, cheating free, etc.

  422. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    ‘Josh may not have realized how correct he was when he added “very expensive baby sitter” part’

    Of course Josh just posts random stuff without realizing much of what he writes. 😉

  423. Kms2014 says:

    FlyR says, It’s ironic that the two choices presented are loveless marriage or struggling single mother. Deferred, selective breeding and relationship maintenance are not seen as answers.”

    RSD says:
    July 29, 2014 at 9:35 am
    “Well, flyr, those hidden taxes are needed to subsidize those who are too old, ugly, or self-righteous to become SBs.”

    “Nicegirl_2013 says:
    July 29, 2014 at 9:51 am
    @Flyr… I am not suggesting those are the only two options of life. However, they are common ones. At times this blog is so fucking black and white is isn’t even funny.”

    Nice girl, you cannot talk about common topics that actually interest SD/SBs because certain people want to only speak or use blog as their own sounding board because no one listens to them in ‘real life’. And you are right, there are those that only see women as weak little creatures who can only survive through marriage or being an SB, lol. Is pretty sad, really, as there are women, on SA, who are in this lifestyle for perks and fun, not desperate for rent. As well as there are women who are gorgeous and would never even think of being on this site, or getting married for money. There is so much grey, in life and am always amused by those who only see black and white, due to their own damaged past.

  424. Josh says:

    RSD

    “Well, flyr, those hidden taxes are needed to subsidize those who are too old, ugly, or self-righteous to become SBs.”

    States are the biggest sugar daddies out there. 😉

  425. Jj says:

    “Oh good grief!!!” ‘Lucy’ “the doctor is in”

  426. Jj says:

    No prob SShine…. but you have a bad link,it’s owner, and you’ve got the other dude!!! I found him too!! Very interesting chap!!

  427. Jj says:

    SunShiney……. “Jj, there is also a 5th reason…” just keep me the f**k out of your “plan/idea/scheme/schematic”… ok!!!

  428. Josh says:

    @flyr

    “For the SD all of this is GOOD NEWS as there will be an endless supply of new SB’s but a sad note for our society.”

    One of the sad notes for our society is that you are allowed to opine. 😉

  429. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Flyr… I am not suggesting those are the only two options of life. However, they are common ones. At times this blog is so fucking black and white is isn’t even funny.

  430. RSD says:

    Well, flyr, those hidden taxes are needed to subsidize those who are too old, ugly, or self-righteous to become SBs.

  431. flyr says:

    @Nicegirl “Either stuck and a loveless cruel existence of a marriage or divorced and struggling to pay the rent. “”

    A lot of the angst comes from changes which have occurred in our society and unrealistic expectations.

    We live in a world where most of the folks on TV, whether they are in a sitcom, reality show or news broadcast shout at eachother, avoid problem solving behavior and seem to have an endless stream of money. Try to name a TV program where the good guy is a white professional male who works hard and is a good provider or a mother (who may or may not work out of the house) is is a happy nurturing mother. Lived happily everafter is not a movie ending.

    Sadly much of what’s called entertainment is being produced by some of the most dysfunctional people walking the earth.

    It’s ironic that the two choices presented are loveless marriage or struggling single mother. Deferred, selective breeding and relationship maintenance are not seen as answers.

    Compounding the squeeze are the thousand bites taken out of the budget by hidden taxes.

    Your apartment rent is boosted by 10% – 20% by the requirement to include low or moderate income units at bargain prices, your utility bills are padded 10%-30% with green programs and then discounted rates for those who can’t afford the higher prices.

    For the SD all of this is GOOD NEWS as there will be an endless supply of new SB’s but a sad note for our society.

  432. Studio says:

    wow, this place has really gone downhill in my absence.

  433. flyr says:

    One of the explanations for the rapid growth of SA and other similar sites was the note on today’s news that 35% of families have a debt collector looking over their shoulder.

  434. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @RSD – I also believe that divorce is so common that young women are trying very hard to not end up like their mothers – Either stuck and a loveless cruel existence of a marriage or divorced and struggling to pay the rent. Both scenarios are terrible and a lesson learned by children.

  435. RSD says:

    Sunshine, I wish you luck. As I said, to each his own and I really don’t come here to judge what each person is seeking. I wouldn’t take the risk you’re taking but again (hence my recent vasectomy), but I hope it works out for you.

  436. RSD says:

    Nicegirl, thank you for your comment.

    One thing I’ve seen again and again is that many SBs I’ve met come from divorced parents where the father went through what I did and the marriage ended in divorce, a tumultuous life for the kids, and often abusive step-fathers or mommy-boyfriends. Invariably the children come to believe that had the father and his mistress been more discreet, all that would not have happened. And these SBs want that not to happen to the SD’s kids. They are trying to save for another what they could not save for themselves.

  437. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @RSD – I was annoying, obnoxious, mean, evil, and selfish; my sight, smell and voice bothered my wife. I would ask her how it is possible for God to create one person (i.e. me) who had every single bad quality known to man and not a single good one; she would have a blank stare and simply say, “I don’t know.”

    This is so sad to read but a reality in so many peoples lives. Trust me RSD, this is not only on the men that feel this way. Women can also become emotionally starved by their partners not due to children but due to careers. With the miracle of the internet even the saddest and loneliest person can find a connection that can fill a void if they look hard enough.

    I am glad that you have found something that makes you happy. Most people just decide to accept their fate and walk through life being miserable assholes or bitches. ;o)

  438. RSD says:

    SunShine, custody battles are often over the child. Rich couples who are both wealthy and educated get divorced all the time and fight endlessly over the child, not over a few hundred dollars a month.

  439. RSD says:

    SunShine, you had a unique experience with your ex-wife and divorce. Trust me, you’re playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun trying to have more babies with other people.

  440. RSD says:

    Sunshine, you romanticize having a baby with someone. Read my experience. Much more likely that she will use the baby as a weapon to torture you till you die. Plus you see the baby as a shared commodity, while she may see the baby as all hers and just demand more and more child support (why do you think custody battles are such a norm?).

  441. Jj says:

    “Oh good grief!!!!” ‘Charlie Brown’

  442. RSD says:

    Well, Josh, once we had kids, particularly after the second, no sex for eighteen months. I turned into an instant demon–I was annoying, obnoxious, mean, evil, and selfish; my sight, smell and voice bothered my wife. I would ask her how it is possible for God to create one person (i.e. me) who had every single bad quality known to man and not a single good one; she would have a blank stare and simply say, “I don’t know.” She hogged the babies in bed to night (at much danger to them–many falls plus the risk of SIDS) while I was squeezed out of the marital bed.

    After two years of this, my fate was sealed when I met a beautiful, charming and extremely intelligent (valedictorian of a top professional school) lady three years my junior who saw me as an angel, handsome, sweet, and lovable. The sex was intensely passionate, we did so many things together, and shared such a deep friendship. Of course I didn’t marry her because I knew at the end she would be just like my wife (subtle signs started to show after a few months). I showered her financially, not because she even once asked, but because it gave me deep pleasure to take care of her. And she used that to make a very successful life for herself. Once that ended, I got on SA…

  443. Josh says:

    @RSD

    “After what happened to me in my marriage once we had kids”

    This is what I try to collect specific data for from whoever is willing to share.

  444. RSD says:

    I’d have to agree that SunShine’s desire to impregnate SBs is disturbing to me, but to each his own. When I had an SB turn up pregnant and claim the fetus was mine, she had to do prenatal DNA testing (of course it wasn’t mine), then I got a vasectomy so this nonsense would never be repeated. After what happened to me in my marriage once we had kids, i am never again allowing a woman to hold me hostage because she delivered some alleged child of mine.

  445. FatB'StardSD says:

    Food, shelter, and sex are the requirements of life. Money can buy you all of them!

    FatB’StardSD

  446. expatsugarbabe says:

    hahahahahahahahaha
    This blog post is hilarious.
    How many different ways must the SA people desperately claim that this site is not about money and sex? Give me a break. Money and sex are the number one and two reasons why people are here. I’ve been at this for two and a half years. I’ve met some very interesting men during that time. Most of the time, things work out well. But don’t you tell me “Do not agree upon pay-per-meet arrangements.” You don’t know how BUSY some of these guys are! Part of it is because of my location, and the guys in my area are constantly traveling internationally. Sometimes “pay-per-meet” is the only option! Sugar fersure IS a transaction, c’mon! Even standard relationships are all about transactions. Whether you are dealing with friends, lovers, family, clients, colleagues… Life is a series of transactions. As long as there is mutual benefit, I don’t see the problem.

    P.S. I don’t like this idea of withholding sex for any reason. This is just an extension of why so many marriages fail. If you want to do it, do it. Forget this SA moralizing nonsense.

  447. Kms2014 says:

    Is funny how someone who wants to impregnate(in theory) women all over the world, and then have children at their disposal, in various towns, by many different mothers without marrying any of them, and wants to see them(theoretically), occasionally, and not live with any of them, thinks I am a bad mother, lol! No court would respect that. Hehe

    Hi Demi, thanks for sharing your story…there are all types of men, on SA…and some seek more than just a hot body. I think, a benefit of the older SBs is that they attract less p4p ‘John’ type Sds(sorry Josh), than the younger girls probably do….

  448. Josh says:

    @NS&N.”A.”

    Nice to know that you comprehend what you write.

  449. NS&N."A." says:

    Re: yougottabekiddingme’s 7/28
    You seem to be a philosophically-sane one… you know the quote: “… in an insane world the healthy ones will be considered sick…”:)

    and your surrealist reflection of 7/27:
    The black & white vision is moving; and black&white is so typical of the American scene… In some places in Europe, you’d have noticed – let’s say – a 3rd sheet of paper, red with both black and white letters saying: “I have everything I need and want, and still I have All the energy for everything I’ve always wanted”. A different perspective bred into people.
    Looking through the multitude of profiles here and on any site is an exercise in reading through souls — real literature about the Great Void of the 20th-21st c….. and I was just thinking moments ago how some men are mistakenly trying to fill with “women” (ever “more”, ever “younger”, ever “sexier”, ever “nsa”) their personal intellectual voids that they failed to fill on their own for their own emotional self-growth…. Some individuals are so multi-faceted one entire lifetime isn’t enough to know them, yet how can people grow into that shape if their tv-served food for thought is so often toxic… I’m trying to imagine the voices of many of these tired daddies and they sound like the echo of a tin box: same dull repetitive sounds… Dramatic (pathetic) just as they’re pleading for “no drama”. Nothing that can deserve the music of love… something they maybe have never had and they’ll never have – not in this rhythm!
    Time to read the women’s section, could it be that the male’s inbred void is a female fault here?
    By the way, the only absolutely great email I received is from UK, my thanks to the site owners for going international, it’s helped reassuring me that I’m not psychotic:).

  450. Josh says:

    I am not please that SunShineSD calls Kms2014 a whore. I dont think that there was a need for that. What that means is that Kms2014 finally managed to get under his skin, which she has an on-going fetish of. 😉

    That said, legally-speaking, calling a woman a whore is NOT as bad as calling a man a John. The former is a horrible practice. However the latter has legal connotation.

    Women on this blog have a habit of frequently addressing men as John.

  451. 42SWM says:

    I heard someone say in a youtube video that conventional dating is prett much dead. Do people out there think that sugar dating is contributing to a dearth of conventional dating?

  452. SunShineSD says:

    How I go about it? Why would I want to tell you that? LOL. What you do / have done is certainly illegal based on what you have said. Frankly, if the DSS gets wind of what you do, it’s a clear case for taking custody from you, and justifiably so for your son’s sake!

  453. Demi says:

    I haven’t got a lot of time to read all the comments (and the time difference) but Nice Girl got it right….my SD is relatively normal and as you say is looking for discrete, attractive and NSA and I am -3 years so it is very well true!!! I can have a conversation with him and enjoy the bedroom where his wife does not. He is a normal nice bloke. Not an oil painting but with so many other quality features he is attractive TO ME. I met some weirdos and those that I just couldn’t sleep with. Has my inbox been inundated with men tripping overthemselves, no, so my age is a barrier but those men who what an entire package then I fit the bill.

    I am considered very attractive for my age and regularly exercise and run rings around women half my age. I am well groomed, however, I am realistic that I cannot command top dollars and nor was what this was about for me.

    I am posting because its making a quality difference in my life…giving me traction if you will.

    Demi

  454. Kms2014 says:

    Yep, ygbkm, this is beyond f-upped….think I will go back ignoring this horrible person. It is just pathetic what he says and how he behaves.

  455. SunShineSD says:

    “Wow. We’re killing children in “self defense” now.
    Call me what you want, but these rants are atrocious. I really don’t care to be a part of this anymore.”

    Yes, Virginia, even violent criminals are the children of some mothers. Unless you want to roll over and play dead the next time you are faced with violent criminals, the skills and tenacity for justifiable self-defense are quite necessary.

  456. I’m actually trying very hard to follow 42SWM’s advice and show restraint.

    “IMHO, children are not generic commodities. Unconditional love for one’s own children may not extend to other people’s children at all. Part of a man’s job in defending his women and children may well involve shooting and killing someone else’ children in justifiable self-defense (everyone is someone else’ child).”

    Wow. We’re killing children in “self defense” now.

    Call me what you want, but these rants are atrocious. I really don’t care to be a part of this anymore.

  457. SunShineSD says:

    BTW, I did not address you today either, but those posses of yours kept asking me questions.

  458. And IM the psychotic one?

    Pfff

  459. SunShineSD says:

    As for bullying and harassment, that goes on here by the alleged SB against SD’s almost every day. I usually put up with such nonsense to a significant degree, but not when the same bullying and harassment were extended to women who dared to sympathetic views on my endeavors.

  460. SunShineSD says:

    Sugarcube,
    Thanks for your input. IMHO, children are not generic commodities. Unconditional love for one’s own children may not extend to other people’s children at all. Part of a man’s job in defending his women and children may well involve shooting and killing someone else’ children in justifiable self-defense (everyone is someone else’ child). Likewise, part of a man’s job in teaching his children is to teach them avoid initiating aggression against others yet be able to effectively defend themselves against aggression, including the use of all legal means when necessary.

    I did not make a threat to anyone in any legal sense. I simply made a warning/ultimatum that if I’m further aggressed upon, I will take an active interest in ensuring the well being of a child unrelated to me (and his classmates) that may not be to the liking of the mother who was aggressing against me and women expressing interest in becoming my partners. If I were to take such action, I’d think the parents of the said classmates (also underage children) would actually appreciate me.

  461. Sugarcube22 says:

    “SunShineSD says:
    July 28, 2014 at 5:48 pm
    That’s why I don’t bring it up unless someone disparages it.
    Trust me, I’m busy working on it. LOL. The process does take time, as I do not wish to rush anyone into it before she is ready.”

    I have been waiting for days to post here and share some sugar experiences but all I hear about are fights with some guy threatening a woman on blogs kids even though he claims to want to help children out and build all these families? I think I will pass on posting here again if men are saying they will out and basically stalk women and kids. This is a weird blog that is supposed to be for arrangement topics not bullying and harassment for people who act like 8 year olds.

  462. SunShineSD says:

    That’s why I don’t bring it up unless someone disparages it.
    Trust me, I’m busy working on it. LOL. The process does take time, as I do not wish to rush anyone into it before she is ready.

  463. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    From my side I have no interest in interfering with your business. I am just kinda fatigued hearing about it. I’d rather see you in action. 😉

  464. SunShineSD says:

    I usually put up with other people’s fictions and marketing material; it’s their own business . . . unless they proceed to disrupt my business.

  465. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    One needs to believe other bloggers at certain level. Otherwise…

    When I came to the blog, it was fantasy writing galore. At least now we talk within the realm of “possibilities” but of course it is up to individual bloggers as to what they believe.

  466. Josh says:

    I have to disagree with the bloggers who think that either Elaine or Kms2014 are lying about their sugar arrangements.

    I have not seen Elaine’s pictures but I know that she put a lot of effort to please her SDs without the unnecessary drama. So to secure small nunber of targetted SDs shoukd not be a problem for a lady so dedicated to please her man.

    Kms2014 is gorgeous and has an interesting sense of humor and I am sure that her men appreciate that.

    Excluding these two, I am sure that the other sugar grannies are struggling big time. Unfortunate but true. :(

  467. SunShineSD says:

    @Josh

    How do you know the picture is not 10yrs old? How do you know the picture is not showing someone else?

    What puzzles me is that, we are told that the advantage of dating older SB is that they are mature and discrete . . . then we are shown and told that they behave like teenage girls and send pictures of men to strangers. I typically meet the friends of my 20-something SB’s/GF’s in person, but if one of them send pictures of me to strangers online, I’d feel quite uncomfortable with that. Those pictures can sit in hard drives for years waiting for face recognition software to mature.

  468. Kms2014 says:

    @Josh…thank you…but, you know my grammar and sentence structure is too horrible to be SS, lol!

  469. Kms2014 says:

    The thing is, I never said I was that great looking, and do not think I am….and, to be honest, you do not have to be a perfect 10 to have an arrangement. In fact, the site mainly markets to girl-next-door college co-eds. If some of you think you have to be under the age of 30 and a complete bombshell, in order to receive decent arrangement amounts, then you are mistaken. I have nothing against younger women…and think it is normal that everyone has their own taste. Most do want younger but there are enough for some who fancy closer to their age, too…at least in my experience. So what? Why does this bother certain people so much? Geesh…get over it, already.

  470. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    “The high-start-but-declining value curve of the typical women and the low-start-but-rising value curve of the typical men have already crossed each other in the 30-35 age range. Of course there are statistical outliers, but not as many as liars. LOL!”

    You could be very creative if you just talk normal stuff and lay off you baby farm for a while. 😉

  471. Kms2014 says:

    “FatB’StardSD says:
    July 28, 2014 at 2:24 pm
    This is comical. There are websites telling SB’s how to get a SD because of the competition. Younger good looking SB’s have a hard time finding a SD yet we have blog posters who easily find attractive normal SD’s who are younger than they are. Is it no surprise that they have never given their profile number? The house of cards would collapse right away!”

    But yet, as you know, Josh and others have seen my picture, and did not mention my horrible hideousness, lol! You just are truly a bastard. Have a good day 😉

  472. SunShineSD says:

    @Fatty @Treasured

    The fake blog characters all share the same inability to understand statistics. When you tell them that winning the lottery is extremely long odds, they tell you: there is _someone_ winning the lottery every week, as if that were an counter-argument at all. LOL. You both are correct, any man in his late 30’s and beyond with a modicum of success and not ugly can easily find gaggles of women of comparable age. The high-start-but-declining value curve of the typical women and the low-start-but-rising value curve of the typical men have already crossed each other in the 30-35 age range. Of course there are statistical outliers, but not as many as liars. LOL!

  473. SunShineSD says:

    Eloquence,

    “Omg…How do you even know if any of the guys have met her son?”

    KMS claimed to introduce his son to everyone of her SD’s and BF’s in her earlier post.

  474. Eloquence says:

    Omg…How do you even know if any of the guys have met her son? Before the blog.. I was very open that I had offspring, besides its hard to avoid when your speaking to someone on a phone and they hear “mommy”.

  475. 42SWM says:

    Ladies, this is the chance to show that you are individually and collectively the better man!

  476. SunShineSD says:

    @Josh,

    Good catch. The plan/offer is still in place if and when the pregnancy takes place. I’m just not in the habit of rushing people into it. It’s not a transactional exchange. I need time to get the candidate vetted. The girl has to want it to get it.

  477. SunShineSD says:

    @Jj,

    I have been quite busy with the site itself. I’m not at all trying to pick up anyone on the blog, having previously stated that I’m philosophically against getting involved with anyone on the blog.

    I have my specific reasons to post to the blog. Compared to the real life responses, I was quite surprised how much bashing I was getting from the blog SB characters for what is to any common sense a great deal/offer (perhaps too sweet of a deal in the eyes of some blog SD’s). I had yesterday off from my work and sugaring/dating schedule, so I pushed up the pace of the arguments to see the responses from blog characters. They were exposed as animated fictional characters.

  478. Oh lord…just noticed the resurrection.

  479. “FlyR…can survive in the wild with nothing but his wits, fair trade organic coffee, and nuts.”

    Hehe…impressive. I like it :).

  480. SunShineSD says:

    @ygtbkm

    Yes, there is indeed a difference between constructive criticism vs. slander. Since you insisted on asking, here’s why I put forth the constructive criticism:

    Drug: you/she even invited me to use some drugs, just like you/she would market to SD clients/victims;

    Whore: you/she recommended finding SD’s who would fly the SB’s across country for a weekend for a few thousands, “the downside, pay is not steady.” In other words, interstate trafficking of prostitution;

    Exposing minor to potential sexual predator: since she/you insisted that the under-age boy meets the clients/johns.

    See, while you/she are fond of throwing nonsense charges of “threat” that you/she don’t even understand, what she/you is doing is actually threatening the life of a minor, along with her classmates.

  481. SunShineSD says:

    Glad I’m not the only one who noticed KMS and ygtbkm are two characters animated by the same person; probably more characters are animated by the same . . . That must be why he hides behind the anonymity of computer screen and animate a gaggle of characters to bash everyone in the sugar bow.

  482. SunShineSD says:

    Wow! My being away for a day, the blog is over-run by sugar-granny characters. How many of them are animated by the same person anyway?

    Let me try on the usual line tossed at me for a change: Nobody cares about your sugar-granny ventures. Please take it to your own blog, along with the collection of fake characters.

    LOL. Tongue firmly in cheek of course, regarding “sugar-granny.” Hehe.

  483. FatB'StardSD says:

    Four posts in a row. I am on a ROLL baby!

  484. FatB'StardSD says:

    This is comical. There are websites telling SB’s how to get a SD because of the competition. Younger good looking SB’s have a hard time finding a SD yet we have blog posters who easily find attractive normal SD’s who are younger than they are. Is it no surprise that they have never given their profile number? The house of cards would collapse right away!

  485. Victoria says:

    Sigh. After scanning through this horrifically monotonous thread, I’ve simply concluded the following:

    @Josh is compensating with his big ego, for something else.

  486. FatB'StardSD says:

    People cheat on their spouses without an arrangement, and last time I checked an arrangement is not some guarantee that a SB won’t talk to the wife or try to blackmail someone. I don’t know why a older SB would any more honest or discrete than a young SB.

    @Kms2014

    “Then, what is the point of SA, in that theory? Lol!”

    There is none. That is why there are regular dating sites or Ashley madison for those who are married. If you are a REALLY weird/ugly/unpleasant successful guy then you will have to pay an allowance to someone your own age.

  487. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Elaine

    “Accoording to some here that MUST mean you are an abnormal, 47 years old, ugly looking guy with a lot of kinks.”

    If he is a successful man paying someone his own age to date him then the above is probably true.

  488. Treasured says:

    I said “any kinks”… Meaning without any weird stuff, sexual or non sexual, going on.

  489. Elaine says:

    @Treasured

    Yes sure… must have misunderstood.

    “BUT, I have YET to see with my own eyes a NORMAL, 35-45 years old, average looking guy (I am not even saying beautiful) without any kinks, PAYING an allowance to to woman same age as him (+/- 3 years). I guess it depends on what you are looking for. If it is just a good time, with an extra bonus of nice hotels and posh food – yes. If you want to be taken care of financially – I believe it, when I see it.”

  490. Treasured says:

    “WTF!!! I guess I was drinking Brandon’s Kool-Aid all along.

    I had thought that 70% of the SDs were looking for connection, 20% were providing mentorship to SBs, and 10% were perverts and wierdos?”

    Joshy, NO. You got it completely wrong!

    SDs here are to pray to the beautiful, smart, sexy woman, and open their wallets just for the pleasure of her company (sex free, of course, you would NEVER offend your Goddess with such a low offer), and to throw diamonds for a small smile from her 😀

    Also, since every SB IS a Goddess, stupid SDs do not mind that other SDs are giving her similar offerings 😀 :p

    Silly, silly man! :p 😀

  491. Treasured says:

    Elaine.

    You just proved the point yourself:
    “Maybe he is afraid to pick up a random 30 something that wants him to leave his wife and want to raise a second family with him?”

    He want DISCRETION. He is married, and wants some fun on the side.

    You didn’t get my message at all. I said, I think SDs DO prefer more mature girls for a long term eventually. BUT. No one without any sceletons in the closet (age, looks, kinks, wife 😉 ) would PAY an allowance to someone, he can get for free ( I. e. thousands of other free, smart, beautiful, available women).

    Your SD wants discretion (which is the most of the cases). Some want kinks. Some are dead ugly/fat/gross. Etc. etc. etc.

  492. 42SWM says:

    @yougottabekiddingme: Good luck. I like your approach.

  493. Josh says:

    @Nicegirl_2013

    “I suppose I am the most butch feminine woman then.”

    That’s when the guy had to say: “Frankly my dear I don’t give a damn.” 😉

  494. So, I have a second date with a gentleman I met out a few weeks ago. We met on SA a couple of months ago, spoke on the phone and exchanged some infrequent but contemplated emails. Neither of us has had a relationship with anyone from this site. He had given up after a series of misfits, and Id just about thrown in the towel after the second of less than remarkable meets which was the longest movie ever…with his own personal garbage disposal-like sound effects of devouring an entire bin of popcorn, slurping down about 64 ounces of Mt. Dew? or was it Dr. Pepper?, AND THEN slurping down half of my poor little cocktail. He was so handsy youdve thought he was an octopus. Ugh.That experience paired with a number of off putting messages from unfavorable men, and 2 months of exposure to blog love had me headed for the hills.

    Anyway, he was very patient and understanding of my hesitancy, and kept contact with brief yet thoughtful and non-pressuring emails which I appreciated.

    We met at a tapas restaurant and thoroughly enjoyed our meet. Aside from physical attraction, we made a really nice connection through one of the most intimate conversations Ive ever had with someone Id just met. Intimate in the sense of sharing our thoughts, who we are, and what we desire and value in companionship. We did not discuss money or sex.

    For me, it’s important to establish a desire to share without pretense, and to like a person removed from monetary and sexual incentives. His attentive listening, succinct observations, and sharing of very personal details of his life revealed the type of substance I appreciate in a person. I was also surprised to learn of his humble beginnings, and the adversity he overcame in becoming the successful man that he is. We both left with a felt understanding of the other. It was refreshing.

    Ive appreciated the short notes he’s dropped over the weeks since our first meeting, and I feel at ease going into a second meeting. While giving and sharing in companionship is something that comes quite naturally for me, and while I’ve learned to be a gracious recipient of gifts of all sorts, I’m not exactly comfortable discussing monetary aspects in this context. I have no urgencies in this matter, and I don’t want the topic to feel pushed or of primary importance. So yeah, I suppose these things can be discussed with tactful consideration in due time. I’m looking forward to seeing him again.

  495. Elaine says:

    @ Poor Adventurer

    Accoording to some here that MUST mean you are an abnormal, 47 years old, ugly looking guy with a lot of kinks.
    You are really PAYING an allowance to a woman same age as you (+/- 3 years).!?!?

    Thanx for sharing! 😉

  496. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Josh – Really??? do you really believe that. I suppose I am the most butch feminine woman then.

  497. Josh says:

    If a man thinks that he can “communicate” with a woman of any age then either he is too feminine or she is too masculine.

  498. Adventurer says:

    As a 47yr old SD, I have to agree with Elaine’s thoughts. While the 20 something have a certain physical appeal, IMHO they attract mainly those interested in p4p. Whereas I see an SD/SB relationship to be more than a quickie in a hotel room and frankly what am I going to discuss with someone 25 yes my junior over dinner. Yeah I could do it once or twice but it has no ongoing appeal to me.

  499. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @FB wrote: “Tell us about your arrangement. Do you have a 20 year old male model SD with a $5K/month allowance?”

    First, I don’t kiss and tell. Those details are private and I don’t believe this is the right forum to discuss it. You are exaggerating the topic. This was not about a 20 yrd male SD paying 5K for a 40 something SB… BUT, it is not out of the realm of possibility ;o)

  500. FatB'StardSD says:

    gtt_envy claimed I was a delusional 50 year old who thinks I can still get 20 year old women to date me. I figure why not since a 40 year old SB can get a 30 year old SD to pay them.

  501. Elaine says:

    @Nicegirl_2013

    You know, you are right!
    It just irritates me a lot to be called a liar, with no reason whatsoever.

    So I leave the discussion and the blog for what it is for a while.

  502. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Nicegirl_2013

    Tell us about your arrangement. Do you have a 20 year old male model SD with a $5K/month allowance?

  503. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Kms… then don’t “feed” into his s**t for awhile and see he looses weight! Then he will become SkinnyB’stardSD.. or he might just loose interest.

  504. Kms2014 says:

    “Nicegirl_2013 says:
    July 28, 2014 at 10:34 am
    @Elaine, why the need to prove anything to strangers on a blog? You know who you are and what is happening in your life. If someone doubts that they can go F themselves. Just my opinion.”

    Exactly, FB lives to get a reaction out of people…it is pretty entertaining sometimes, and just too predictable lately, with his material, though. don’t feed the troll! hehehe(that was for you, midwestSD 😉

  505. Kms2014 says:

    “It is obvious to everyone except certain blog SB’s. A successful (we can assume a real SD is successful) average looking guy will not have a problem finding someone to date him who is the same age. He would not have a hard time finding a mistress his own age either.”

    Then, what is the point of SA, in that theory? Lol!

  506. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Elaine, why the need to prove anything to strangers on a blog? You know who you are and what is happening in your life. If someone doubts that they can go F themselves. Just my opinion.

  507. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Treasured

    “BUT, I have YET to see with my own eyes a NORMAL, 35-45 years old, average looking guy (I am not even saying beautiful) without any kinks, PAYING an allowance to to woman same age as him (+/- 3 years).”

    It is obvious to everyone except certain blog SB’s. A successful (we can assume a real SD is successful) average looking guy will not have a problem finding someone to date him who is the same age. He would not have a hard time finding a mistress his own age either.

    “Kms… It is not JUST matching pictures. It is face identifier. So those can be different pictures.”

    Face matching software is freely available. Setting it up to search the web would be a bit more work. They use this stuff to look for football hooligans using a criminal picture database for example (with high quality mug shots used as the reference image) but it would be much more difficult to search the web to match such images.

  508. Elaine says:

    @ Treasured

    I said I would prove everything I have ever stated on blog (without unrevealing i.d. of course) so anyone who feels challenged is welcome to contact me.

    Feel free to believe what you like if the truth is so threatening.
    I felt the same when I was young (22) and lost my then BF (35) to an “older”woman (37).
    Had no clue why he would prefer that “old corpse” to my youth!
    Only later I understood and had to admit she was a fascinating, experienced and beautiful woman.

    Look at this positive though!
    It means that you too can still be desirable at 40+ :-)

    My actual SD (yes, attractive, 51!) would never date women more as 10 years his minor.

    If the answer interest you I will ask why he doesn’t date around free and “keeps” me as his mistress, ok?

    Oh wait!
    Maybe he is afraid to pick up a random 30 something that wants him to leave his wife and want to raise a second family with him?
    Or get blackmailed or other emotional drama?
    Just doesn’t feel enough connection for a LT relationship with a much younger girl?
    Loves the selfconfidence and good sex that comes with age? (No,he has no kinks)
    Doesn’t have to feel uncomfortable and can present me as a colleague without raising any eyebrows if we are seen together in public or meet people he knows or does business with?

    And yes, he is a minority, but not as much as is predicted here!

  509. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @kms – Thank you ;o) I will be sure to tell my PT you said so – lol

  510. FatB'StardSD says:

    @SunShineSd

    “Am I threatening you – absolutely not, I have no personal interest in the squabble. But don’t count on there not being someone involved (father of the child, boyfriend,sugardaddy, or just friend) with a Phd in advanced kinetic based motivational therapy.”

    You better be careful. FlyR has disarmed a drug crazed gunman in his own home and can survive in the wild with nothing but his wits, fair trade organic coffee, and nuts.

  511. Kms2014 says:

    Nicegirl2013..,,you have a very nice tummy, by the way (:

  512. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Josh – I hope that the truth lies somewhere in the middle!

  513. Jj says:

    FlyR…”more cynical as they age”… That’s what I have experienced in my neck of the woods and likely due to the assh*le duds that permeate here….sad very sad….

  514. Josh says:

    @Treasured
    Treasured says:
    July 28, 2014 at 8:12 am
    Elaine. Regardless of age, race, appearance. 70% of SDs on here are looking for a regular good FUCK.
    Other 30% want a regular good fuck, with kinks 😀

    The difference between them all is the price they are willing to pay.

    With time, being human beings, they DO tend to loose their original purpose of coming on here, and start wanting a “relationship” (of course, if you are good at good fucking). And that is where they start getting screwed (and, unfortunately for them, not in the intended sort of way: D).
    Well, poor poor SDs. All the better for SBs like ME (well, retired now 😀 )”

    WTF!!! I guess I was drinking Brandon’s Kool-Aid all along.

    I had thought that 70% of the SDs were looking for connection, 20% were providing mentorship to SBs, and 10% were perverts and wierdos?

  515. Kms2014 says:

    @treasure, my last SD was 49… The man I am seeing now is 34. He isn’t bad looking…and no kinks. He likes redheads, I guess.

  516. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Treasured – “BUT, I have YET to see with my own eyes a NORMAL, 35-45 years old, average looking guy (I am not even saying beautiful) without any kinks, PAYING an allowance to to woman same age as him (+/- 3 years)”

    It does happen and the main reason is they are looking for maturity, discretion and sexual attraction.

  517. Kms2014 says:

    Actually, if some of the younger hotter girls knew what some of us older gals get/have gotten in arrangements, well I can see how that would make them doubtful or mad/upset, because, of course, if I were in my 20’s again, and had been in this lifestyle(at that time), then I would think the same thing, lol! I mean, at the end of the day, how can anyone prove anything on a blog? Believe what you want and take what you will. FB could be some pimply 22 year old skinny kid in his mother’s basement, hehe. It’s just a fun blog to share experiences and read about other people’s experiences as well.

  518. Treasured says:

    Kms… It is not JUST matching pictures. It is face identifier. So those can be different pictures.

  519. Treasured says:

    Kms, I actually DO agree that a lot of SDs prefer 30 year old to a 20 year old long term. I am 30 next year, and believe me, I commanded much more in everything from my SDs, than younger counterparts 😉

    BUT, I have YET to see with my own eyes a NORMAL, 35-45 years old, average looking guy (I am not even saying beautiful) without any kinks, PAYING an allowance to to woman same age as him (+/- 3 years). I guess it depends on what you are looking for. If it is just a good time, with an extra bonus of nice hotels and posh food – yes. If you want to be taken care of financially – I believe it, when I see it.

  520. Eloquence says:

    This is my 2 cents.

    However, a fantastic quote is at the end of the video for the love couple on blog.

    Youtube: “Speak Life” by TobyMac.

  521. Kms2014 says:

    Yes, that is true…but I know that the particular picture I shared wasn’t on any other site, so couldn’t be picked up. But hey, you are right, treasured. I do not usually make a habit of that…

  522. Treasured says:

    Elaine…. If it is just “fancy” I happen to agree with a Fatty – there are a LOT of single women, past 35, good looking, smart, in search for just sex/relationship/family: you name it, who DON’T need to be paid.

    It is like there is an apple tree in your garden, you go and pick up the most wonderful juicy for free, or you go and BUY identical apple?

  523. Kms2014 says:

    Treasure, I don’t know about Europe as I know there are tons of hot Europeans, russians(Eastern Europeans), in London, anyways….but, I know some men would find me not ‘worth’ $1,000, while others, would see me worth much more as a companion, and not just sex. My last SD said he preferred an arrangement with an ‘adult’ woman because he had been with much younger girls and found that he bored with their conversation and they were not ‘as into’ the sex. This is just what he said(his words, not mine). Also, and I am not bragging, but I am often assumed to be much younger than my age, so perhaps that helps. I dunno….I suppose, if you have more to offer than just looks or a hot body, then certain men, who are not overly concerned with age and looks…and just want attractive and fun to be around, then it works out. I never said my SD’s were extremely hot and sexy? FB likes to exaggerate.

  524. Treasured says:

    Kms, do you know that there is a face identifying software? Basically scan a picture and it searches the internet for the parameters… Sharing ANY details is a no-no thing for a SB.

    SDs discussed with me family, business, private account details, even deals which were being made (guess I could have sold that info to competitors 😀 )… Trustworthiness (well, at least at keeping secrets) is utterly important.

  525. Elaine says:

    @ Treasured

    Maybe because they find us attractive?

  526. flyR says:

    Rotund Bastard is off on another baseless rant. The 40 year old may be very willing to play in sugarland because it allows freedom from expectations of permanency.

  527. Elaine says:

    @ FlyR

    You are right, but since this blog is meant to be informative, I want to encourage the older SB’s as well.

    I mean how ignorant can one be to think I am inventing everything I have posted…
    There is a consistency in my posts, I am naming ups and downs, struggles, experiences, doubts and worries…

    And why should I invent anyway?
    What use would it have?
    Why stating I have no profile, or no SD, without knowing anything?

  528. Kms2014 says:

    Yep, we both shared pics….he didn’t really care because it wasn’t a pic anyone could identify his name with. But, you are right…I should not have done that.

  529. Treasured says:

    Kms – your SD was OK for you to share his pics???!!!
    Even if mine would have been, I NEVER shared names/pics/any hints.

  530. Kms2014 says:

    Josh has seen a picture of my most recent SD. Ask him if you want to know if he is ‘ugly’. I don’t really care what others think…but, I think discretion is pretty common for most arrangements, yes?

  531. Treasured says:

    “The only thing I would like for you (or Kms2014) to explain is why your sexy, wealthy, and intelligent 35-40 year old SD’s need to pay you an allowance.”

    Discretion? No one around? Certain kinks?

  532. Treasured says:

    Fatty… WELL…. Perhaps it depends on where she is from 😀 I am speaking by my European experience 😀

    Maybe in the USA she is considered top girl? 😉

  533. Josh says:

    @Treasured

    “Joshy… I am starting to feel you have a point”

    Good for you, I guess. 😉

  534. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @FatB… I think your answer lies in the last statement. Typically women become more open to experimentation as she gets older and more comfortable with herself. She is usually better untuned with her partner…

  535. Kms2014 says:

    FatB’StardSD says:
    July 28, 2014 at 7:14 am
    @Elaine

    Nobody believes that you and Kms2014 have a SD.”

    Elaine, please disregard FB…he is not only a fat bastard but probably a lonely troll that has few friends. While his comments can be amusing, at times, they are purely meant for ‘bastardly’ insult value. He insults everyone on blog. Who really cares? It is just a blog troll.

  536. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Elaine

    Treasured thinks the woman in the SA video can only get $1K/month. She is better looking than 1/2 of the SB’s on SA and MUCH better looking than the girl from Nashville.

    The only thing I would like for you (or Kms2014) to explain is why your sexy, wealthy, and intelligent 35-40 year old SD’s need to pay you an allowance. Does an attractive, wealthy man have a hard time finding an attractive successful 35-40 year old women to date without an allowance? Do you not see how obvious it is that what you write is nonsense. One possible answer is that your SD’s are REALLY unattractive (as many blog SB’s have stated that all of the SD’s on SA are unattractive) in which case you should warn older SB’s of the dangers of looking for SD’s of the same age. Another answer is that you perform sexual acts that most SB’s will not do.

  537. flyR says:

    @ Sunshine

    I have enjoyed your posts, until recently.

    Even hinting that you will do something destructive and selfish is extortion unless done for purely legitimate defensive purposes.

    The childish Naw Naw your attorneys can never touch me are the last words a lot of people have spoken before leaving for the hospital or a more permanent residence.

    Am I threatening you – absolutely not, I have no personal interest in the squabble. But don’t count on there not being someone involved (father of the child, boyfriend,sugardaddy, or just friend) with a Phd in advanced kinetic based motivational therapy.

  538. flyR says:

    Re Older Women – Elaine – don’t fight the doubters, just enjoy the spoils. There have been a number of older, very successful SB’s on the blog . Most have wandered off due to their successes and changing interests. The key is being likeable and sexy , not just fuckable. Unfortunately (based on my limited but multi year sample) too many women become more cynical as they age. However, there are lots who simply become much better partners in bed, on the road, on vacation.

    Interesting study

    “At least that what a new study published in the journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin says.

    Live Science reports the study, which found that men tend to be more sexually attracted to women who are responsive and show interest in them during a date.

    Women who were responsive during a first date were rated higher on the qualities of femininity and sexual attractiveness by men. In addition, the study also found that men were much more interested in beginning a long-term relationship with these same responsive women.”

    Nonresponsive women ranked low in the study.

    The results were the exact opposite when the study looked at women’s attraction to responsive men. Women tend to be less attracted to men who are more responsive during a date.

  539. Elaine says:

    @ FB,

    As stated before, even if I have nothing to proof to “Your Narrowminded Fatness”,
    I have no problems proving everything I have ever stated on this blog.

    Ask any blogger of your choice, and I will send prove of how wrong you are in your limited thinking.

    Probably then you still not understand because you are apperently living in another sugarworld, where age and location decide the “price” you are willing to pay.
    I remember your commends after the NY party.
    Something like; “No way that girl from Nashville is going to get $4000 a month”.
    …No?
    Why not?
    Because YOU don’t think she is worth that?

    I can list a lot of expensive things that I don’t think are worth their price.
    But still a lot of people fancy and buy them.

    Maybe it is just too much for your understandings that some men first want to be stimulated in the big head?

    PS. Not because I give a damn about your petty commends, but to encourage the “older” SB’s who come to this blog for information.

  540. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Elaine, very well said and
    completely true. There is something to be said for a woman getting better with age. Some SDs don’t want a woman with her own mind and her own interests so let them find the 20 year old that can barely tie her shoes… but she might look very hot trying!

  541. SouthernSB says:

    KMS-You have mail

  542. Treasured says:

    Elaine. Regardless of age, race, appearance. 70% of SDs on here are looking for a regular good FUCK.
    Other 30% want a regular good fuck, with kinks 😀

    The difference between them all is the price they are willing to pay.

    With time, being human beings, they DO tend to loose their original purpose of coming on here, and start wanting a “relationship” (of course, if you are good at good fucking). And that is where they start getting screwed (and, unfortunately for them, not in the intended sort of way: D).
    Well, poor poor SDs. All the better for SBs like ME (well, retired now 😀 )

  543. Treasured says:

    Re advice video…. Girl speaks sense, but with the way she looks, it is 1000 per month or p4p 😀 She is pretty, but kinda looks… basic?

  544. Elaine says:

    @ Demi

    See?

  545. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Elaine

    “Some SD on this site are not as such looking for a young, hot and easy replaceable body, but for an interesting female companion in their own interest sphere and age group.”

    I think you are on the wrong blog. You need to write this stuff on [img]www.match.com[img]. I doubt you have a profile there either. Have a nice day :-).

  546. Elaine says:

    @ Demi

    Yes, please do.:-)
    Only beware that they are not going to believe you, because some narrowminded here think a woman over 30 is ready for retirement and cannot possibly be attractive.
    Let go get an proper allowance!

    But believe me I will tell you from my own experiences here, you can and you will! 😉

    Some SD on this site are not as such looking for a young, hot and easy replaceable body, but for an interesting female companion in their own interest sphere and age group.

    And you will also find young SD approaching you.
    It is mostly the 60+, or the ones with low selfesteem that want the “arm candy” that find you are too “old”.

    The others will just find you attractive or not, depending on taste, not on age.
    After all, that is just a number.

    There is a lot of very attractive 40+, and a lot of very unattractive 20+ too…

  547. Treasured says:

    Oooopssyy!

    😀

    All my ex SDs suddenly got very active. Offering me trips to Ibiza (2 separate), South of France or anywhere in the world 😀
    Also, my fiancee is out of the country, so, me being a bad girl I am, and also a very bored girl, decided to meet the ONLY SD in my country (well, genuine anyways). And, obviously, with about 10% effort I have scored him.
    And now he wants to continue and have an arrangement!
    And for me it was just a little game.
    Oioioioioi! How do I tell him I am not really interested now? 😀 Or, maybe I don’t want to tell him, and want to play him a bit? 😀
    Decisions, decisions 😀

    Joshy… I am starting to feel you have a point 😀

    As to resident blog crazies – I love them 😀 “Chomps on popcorn and awaits reactions” 😀

  548. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD wrote on July 27, 2014 at 8:56 am

    “@Josh
    …There is no guarantee I will necessarily have any more children than the one biological and one adopted that I currently have.”

    What’s up with the rent-a-womb + rent-an-expensive-bilological-nanny scheme at 15 times national average then? 😉

  549. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Elaine

    Nobody believes that you and Kms2014 have a SD.

  550. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @MSD – I would have passed out before I posted my first entry here playing your drinking game

  551. MidwestSugarDaddy says:

    I am playing a drinking game. I do a shot each time Sunshine mentions womb, carry my baby, 15x national child support average, or Xbox player. I also drink a beer every time KMS says hehe I am completely obliterated right now!

  552. 42SWM says:

    @FB: Great clip and well chosen.

    @All: Is anyone aware of a movie where a character was expressly stated to be involved in a sugar arrangement?

  553. Elaine says:

    @ Sunshine

    “If I have to let her son’s classmates and teachers know what a drug whore they have in their midst in order to get her to stop insulting women who are interested in genuine co-parenting partnership with me, that would be fine too.”

    SORRY!?

    Can somebody tell me my English is not good enough, and I have misunderstood this!?
    Otherwise this man realy needs help….

    Such a wealthy, succesfull businessman saying things like this?
    Have nothing else to do?
    I would really start doubting if my SD’ would be spending so much time on this rubbish!
    They spend their time in boardrooms, not on blogs!
    Come on man, get a life!

    Please, both stop this senseless, useless boring and annoying discussions!

    Sunshine ; Go and multiply!
    Kms; Show us the lady I know you are and stand above this!

  554. Jj says:

    FBS…SD I am of the thought you may be correct in your assessment, and also think the “Beck” has returned with his “creative writing project” to spoof the blog yet once again….. he had so much fun before…… to less than amusement of everyone

  555. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Demi

    Posting some real experiences would be helpful to other SB’s in your age range as a lot of SD’s are looking for much younger SB’s (30 years younger). Out of curiosity what age range do you have for your SD?

  556. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Treasured

    I think that ygtobkm and Kms2014 are the same person (PriceySpicey would be my guess), either that or they both have the same mental illness.

    The Shakespeare impersonators are probably one person as well.

    I think SunShineSD is unique. Boring 90% of the time but unique. He has upped his game in the flame war though.

  557. Jj says:

    SunShiney….. “IF”…..”my attempt at building genuine long-term co-parenting arrangement” is truly your intent, then why, oh why are you trolling the blog for ‘dates/candidates’and not on the SA site researching, investigating, perusing, lovelies from all about the world?????? that you could fly to your liking and interview in person. You’re not gaining anything but negative attention here and enough already!!!! again, nuff, nuff said, just say’n…..

  558. Treasured says:

    No no no no no!

    Kidding me and Sunshine, please DO NOT take your conversation to private 😀 I just got comfortable in my bed and have my snacks handy 😀 After Game of Thrones, this is the next best drama 😀

    The perfect scenario to continue, if you, guys, would actually make up and Sunshine would get his dream of “rent a womb” come true 😀

  559. Demi says:

    Why thank you for making me feel welcome. As an older woman and first time I thought I should share.

  560. “Disclosing non-privileged information is certainly legal.”

    There is a difference in disclosing non-privileged information and slander. And, please, Sunshine, no novels on slander.

    Please just let refrain from involving people’s children in your rebuttals and attacks. And please stop making excuses for your action in doing so. There are none. And please realize, Sunshine, that there is quite a difference (both legally and morally) between disputing someone’s ideas, and compromising someone’s livelihood. Can these things not be kept separate with compromising of livelihood kept off the table completely? I think it’s only civil, and quite necessary. Moreover, I think that personal information that one shares within this space should be regarded as privileged, not used to blackmail and harass or further exploit them. It’s really petty and quite ruthless. These things are shared generally for relating to or providing perspective for others, not to be exploited. This is likely one of the very reasons there are such facades here…because clearly, sharing parts of your true self leave you vulnerable to attacks–not from newbies with empty profiles, which you’d think would be the case–but from people who have an established presence in the space, and with whom there ought exist more of a camaraderie? These things are matters of principle.

    If you would like to discuss this matter off blog, you’re welcome to email me. It’s really not fair to keep subjecting everyone else to hostility. It’s not only off putting, but permeates the entire atmosphere and everyone’s desire to participate.

    yougottabekiddingme2014 at gmail dot com

  561. Josh says:

    @Treasured

    I have my set of suspicions. 😉

  562. Josh says:

    “So much anger and despair these days. I’ll second the suggestion that Josh and his two most frequent targets should take it to email.”

    Some things never change about flyR. 1) Idiotic posts and 2) desire to boot Josh off blog. LOL!

  563. Treasured says:

    Fatty, is it only me, or someone else is dying to know, if all the blog crazies are the same person or are they completely different individuals?

    For one, you can definitely be entertained on here 😀

    “Takes the popcorn” 😀

  564. Kms2014 says:

    “Yes, we know, you have done plenty of that defamation and libel regarding my attempt at building a genuine long-term relationship with woman. Where shall we begin?”

    One more thing before bed…yes, the judge will ask to see the defamed party, then you can bring into court the imaginary women and children, I allegedly defamed…you can make sock puppets to represent them or your straw figures that you speak of so much, lol! Night.

  565. Kms2014 says:

    Anyway, enough is enough. Am off to bed…too much crazy for one day(lifetime).

  566. flyR says:

    Notice to parties at WAR

    The rules of the courtroom are irrelevant when the aggrieved party retains Guido

    Mutual Assured Destruction only works when the other guy wishes to continue living. The Russian leaders loved their vodka, their blonds and their perks more than they loved loved the Soviet cause. Unfortunately the fundamentalists don’t work that way

  567. Kms2014 says:

    And besides, what you speak of now is defamation of character, as you are so versed in the law.

    “Defamation” is a catch-all term for any statement that hurts someone’s reputation. Written defamation is called “libel,” and spoken defamation is called “slander.” Defamation is not a crime, but it is a “tort” (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong). A person who has been defamed can sue the person who did the defaming.

  568. Kms2014 says:

    “SunShineSD says:
    July 27, 2014 at 9:36 pm
    “a menace of bodily harm, such as may restrain a person’s freedom of action.”

    As you can see, disclosing truth is not a threat in the legal sense by any stretch of imagination.”

    But, you see, there is no case to begin with, as I am not a prostitute, lol! Your case is over before it started…what shall you tell others, even if you did know me personally, which you do not. That I am on SA? That isn’t against the law, Einstein.

  569. “Did you actually read the article cited from a rag found at a shrink’s waiting room? So you have exhausted the depth of your content too, eh?”

    I’m quite familiar with the DSM, and recognize psychotic behavior when I see it.

  570. noun
    1. a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course; menace: He confessed under the threat of imprisonment.

    Wikipedia…your favorite source:
    A threat is an act of coercion wherein an act is proposed to elicit a negative response. It is a communicated intent to inflict harm or loss on another person. It can be a crime in many jurisdictions. Threat (intimidation) is widely seen in animals, particularly in a ritualized form, chiefly in order to avoid the unnecessary physical violence that can lead to physical damage or death of both conflicting parties.

    Some of the more common types of threats forbidden by law are those made with an intent to obtain a pecuniary advantage or to compel a person to act against his or her will. In all states, it is an offense to threaten to (1) use a deadly weapon on another person; (2) injure another’s person or property; or (3) injure another’s reputation. [1]

  571. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Demi – Hi Demi, I am new to this and the blog… hope to see you here again ;o) better topic possibly :)

  572. Threat

    noun
    1.
    a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.
    “members of her family have received death threats”
    synonyms: threatening remark, warning, ultimatum More
    LAW
    a menace of bodily harm, such as may restrain a person’s freedom of action.
    2.
    a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger.

    It doesn’t take a law degree…

  573. ““Pathetic.”

    Yes, you are.”

    Funny…that’s just the type of response that article said you’d come up with. Good work confirming the given.

  574. SunShineSD says:

    Back to content-free ad hominem attack again, I see.

  575. Kms2014 says:

    “Demi says:
    July 27, 2014 at 9:08 pm
    My first time in the sugar bowl at 45!!! Anything is possible and let me tell you I wish I had of thought of this years ago. I find it very rewarding in lots of aspects and if people frame this in a different way a lot of stigma would be removed. As a newbie (and probably my last only because of my age), actually ‘liking’ your SD is what its all about. If you don’t thats when the lines are blurred. My two cents worth.”

    Hi Demi, there are a few of us older gals on here…don’t let the crazy argument steer you away from blog. Welcome (:

  576. Kms2014 says:

    As long as you read up on the definition of cray cray, lol!

  577. SunShineSD says:

    correction: I made no such threat. Read up what the legal definition of threat is.

  578. SunShineSD says:

    @ygtbkm

    “I’m talking about your threats against her child and his classmates.”

    I made such threat. Read up what the legal definition of threat is. Letting them in on the truth is not threat to them. In fact, her exposing underage child to prostitution client is a threat to the child.

    “And your self proclaimed “truce” is a crock of egotistical rubbish.”

    The truce was agreed to by both parties. You are quite the naughty pest stirring things up, aren’t you?

    ““I’ll not corrupt the mind of your child and his innocent classmates, if you don’t challenge my views regarding my imaginary women and children…””

    Letting them in on the truth would not be corruption of their minds. There was nothing imaginary about the women KMS bashed for expressing sympathetic view to my plan.

    “Pathetic.”

    Yes, you are.

  579. 42SWM says:

    For the more dramatically inclined, THIS IS THE END by the Doors also seems appropriate. G’nite

  580. 42SWM says:

    Go to YouTube and type in the following:

    The Looney Tunes Show “Thats All Folks” Episodes 1-18

    You will get a sequence of “Thats All Folks”

  581. I’m talking about your threats against her child and his classmates.

    And your self proclaimed “truce” is a crock of egotistical rubbish.

    “I’ll not corrupt the mind of your child and his innocent classmates, if you don’t challenge my views regarding my imaginary women and children…”

    Pathetic.

  582. Demi says:

    My first time in the sugar bowl at 45!!! Anything is possible and let me tell you I wish I had of thought of this years ago. I find it very rewarding in lots of aspects and if people frame this in a different way a lot of stigma would be removed. As a newbie (and probably my last only because of my age), actually ‘liking’ your SD is what its all about. If you don’t thats when the lines are blurred. My two cents worth.

  583. SunShineSD says:

    “Anyway, can we change the topic…this really is so boring to everyone and awkward, like niceSB said earlier. Am sorry everyone that I wasted time and your blog space arguing with a complete nutter to the nth power!”

    Typical KMS attempt to have the last dig in while engaging in hypocritical grand standing. The person simply doesn’t have discipline or self-control. I love those easy contestants in court, likely another drugged out nutcase that will be found contempt of court and thrown in jail from a civil case!

  584. Kms2014 says:

    @42, I don’t think they allow straight links to youtube or websites on here….where is Zack, when you need him? He posted youtube videos all the time but in a way that was always approved, lol!

  585. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @42SWM… boy would I like to see your post!!!!!… sooner than later :)

  586. Kms2014 says:

    It’s a stinky dead fish about 7 days old now, 42SWM 😉 hehe

  587. Josh says:

    FB,

    Yes I tried to calm down the psychopath but it backfired even more. LOL!

  588. 42SWM says:

    Random observation: Several hours ago, I tried to post a funny “that’s all folks” montage from YouTube with Porky Pig, Bugs Bunny, and several other fun WB characters in the hopes of burying what was already a stinky fish.

    7 hours later, my comment is still awaiting “moderation” while the fish continues to rot. It is interesting to me that an outside link to something becomes automatically suspect, while nothing is done to clear the now rotting carcass of fish off the counter.

  589. SunShineSD says:

    LOL, Josh, unfortunately for her, I do not tolerate other people’s fetishes at the expense of my women and children. It doesn’t even matter how hot she is, so long as she is not carrying my baby or with intention to do that in the future or having done that in the past, she is not gaining anything at the expense of my women and children. That’s my standard response to every pretty face asking for a discount or special favor; shuts up the pretty faces sent over by the various suppliers and customer companies rather quickly.

  590. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Josh

    “@SunShineSD

    I think you need to talk one-on-one with Kms2014 thru email. She is a sweet (and gorgeous, mind you) young lady. She likes to get under people’s skin from time to time though. That’s one of her fetishes. ;)”

    Communicating by email worked really well with you and Pricey Spicey from what I remember :-).

  591. Kms2014 says:

    Please, gosh, no Josh…do not encourage that…I don’t talk to crazy. He really is quite mad. And, perhaps dangerous, as what man threatens a woman and her kid?

    Anyway, can we change the topic…this really is so boring to everyone and awkward, like niceSB said earlier. Am sorry everyone that I wasted time and your blog space arguing with a complete nutter to the nth power!

  592. FatB'StardSD says:

    We had the same issue with Josh and Pricey Spicey with endless accusations about threatening someones children. It seems Pricey Spicey has underwent mitosis and produced ygtbkm and Kms2014 and we have the same problem with SunShineSD.

    Oh the humanity!

  593. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS

    SA per se is not the indicator. You are a prostitute because you promote your line of business of drug-enhanced weekends at several thousand dollars a pop being flown across the country.

  594. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    I think you need to talk one-on-one with Kms2014 thru email. She is a sweet (and gorgeous, mind you) young lady. She likes to get under people’s skin from time to time though. That’s one of her fetishes. 😉

  595. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS,

    I do not hide computer screens. You are the one hiding behind computer screens promoting your prostitution business while bashing everyone else with different interest in the sugar bowl.

    “And, am sure you threaten and sue a lot, like the little tyrant you are ;)”

    Let me get this straight, you threatened to sue me, and now you accuse me of suing other people a lot? How does your logic work? Did you go to the same law school of imaginations as ygtbkm?

  596. Kms2014 says:

    Am I a prostitute because I am on Seekingarrangement? Aren’t you on SA, lol! Seekingarrangement is not illegal to be on, is it? What sort of threat are you trying to make here…please, detail your plans, so I have them outlined.

  597. Kms2014 says:

    Thanks, ygbkm….he really is unstable and is a bit scary.

  598. Kms2014 says:

    No, you hide behind your money and your threats, behind an anonymous computer screen, while you make a total ass of yourself. And, am sure you threaten and sue a lot, like the little tyrant you are 😉 You should be proud of yourself…what a great father figure to imaginary children you will be!

  599. Kms,

    Sunshine is dangerous and seemingly unstable in thinking that his “warnings” are justified responses to his plans regarding imaginary people.

    If I were you, I would contact a lawyer and file a restraining order against Sunshine. This would restrict him from coming in contact with you or anyone associated with you…directly or indirectly. These things aren’t taken lightly when children are involved.

    His behavior is predatory and sociopathic. This is evidenced in his boko haram style “nuclear weapons” style “negotiation”. Keep it up, Sunshine, and you’ll find yourself restricted from having contact with any children, including YOUR own. So go ahead and waltz into a school and implement your “warning” and see how quickly the world police shoot down your mission.

    Seeking Arrangement, blog gods, Guru…it’s probably in the best interest of this site’s already tarnished image to make appropriate interventions. In the least, “warning” Sunshine about his blatant threats.

    This can not be permitted to continue.

  600. SunShineSD says:

    Thanks, ss1959. Best of luck with your latest venture.

  601. SunShineSD says:

    LOL. Why are people who have never paid court fee to sue anyone so fond of making random empty legal threats?

    Why am I versed in the law? Because I use the law to defend myself as well as assert my rights often, usually without having to ask the court to impose a settlement. Knowledge of the law is handy in seeking a favorable out-of-court settlement.

  602. sweetie says:

    Jay “I would prefer some subtlety, romance if you will. The flat out pay to play is just too crass.”

    Totally agree.

  603. ss1959 says:

    @SunshineSD

    The first arrangement lasted only a few months before we agreed to part ways. The second was a bit over a year. The third was about 7 months and then she decided to move back south. The 4th and newest I hope will last the 2 years she’s in grad school,but of course we’ll have to wait and see.

  604. Kms2014 says:

    “@ygtbkm

    In legal speak, statement of disclosure intention is not a threat at all. KMS may want to talk to her “good friend” before libel against me; perhaps the “good friend” will give her $200. LOL.”

    Since he is so ‘versed’ in the law, probably means he has been to court for this type of thing before. Some people hide behind their computers making ‘threats’, as in regular life they are nothing but smarmy cowards.

  605. SunShineSD says:

    @ss1959
    That’s a impressive track record. Keep up the good work! May I ask how long did they typically last for you?

  606. ss1959 says:

    I’ve had 4 SBs. Well, actually I just started an arrangement with number 4. The first was short-lived as we soon found out we were very incompatible sexually. Live and learn.

    But in all 4 cases we agreed on the terms of the arrangement going in, and in all 4 cases I simply either gave my SB her allowance the first time I saw her each month, or in one case deposited it into her bank account at the beginning of each month. I never had an SB poof on me after getting the allowance.

    It did take a while at the beginning, when I first started corresponding with potential SBs, to figure out how to tell the escorts from the SBs, but it soon proved easy to tell the difference.

    I actually still hear from all of the 3 previous SBs. One has finished college and moved to go to grad school. Another finished school and is in her first real job, and we chat a lot about the challenges of corporate life and office politics. The third just moved to another part of the country. The 4th, new SB and I have hit it off well, right down to having complementary sexual kinks, and correspond multiple times throughout the day.

    I did take some bruises from potential SBs along the way, and learned some lessons the hard way. I once gave some fairly expenses gifts to a pot after a couple of casual meetings and had her then poof on me. But overall this has been a wonderful experience for me.

  607. SunShineSD says:

    @ygtbkm

    In legal speak, statement of disclosure intention is not a threat at all. KMS may want to talk to her “good friend” before libel against me; perhaps the “good friend” will give her $200. LOL.

  608. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    @Kms2014… no worries… sorry about this virtual argument you are caught in :( – awkward for everyone.

  609. SunShineSD says:

    KMS, you are the psycho who intimidate other women on blog and expose your own underage child to your prostitution clients in real life.

    @NiceGirl,
    Sugar is indeed what you make of it. Enjoy what whatever you do in the sugar bowl, and be tolerant of other people’s preferences. Make good use of your time, so you don’t become bitter like some used up psycho whore on this blog wasting time bashing everyone else with different preferences in the sugar bowl.

  610. SD Guru can you please email SunshineSD to stop threatening Kms as I believe that is a violation of the blog and the law.

  611. Kms2014 says:

    I do not have ‘Johns’ you raging psycho. Go ahead with your threats as I will report you and have a good friend who is a partner at Latham and Watkins.

    Nice girl, I am so sorry your first blogging experience has to be with this going on. Just ignore the crazy psycho, who threatens women and children on blog.

    Anyway, there are many aspects of these relationships that are a grey area….

  612. SunShineSD says:

    LOL, you are just making up things as you go, as usual. “Rent a womb” is your theory, not mine. Real womb rentals are available for about $25k for 10-12 months of work. That is obviously not what I’m seeking. I want the whole package in a genuine relationship.

    I do not solicit prostitution at all, under any circumstances. I was not the one expressing admiration for drug whores charging several thousand dollars for a weekend; you were! I’m sure your son’s classmates and teachers will be thrilled to find out where your admiration lie. Exposing your son to your John’s can lead directly to losing custody, regardless whether your loser ex-husband want to contest custody or not.

  613. Nicegirl_2013 says:

    I am new to this blog… and blogging in general actually! I think that all of these relationships are so different and the expectation of each person is different. Some may expect to have sex and some may genuinely want companionship and if sex happens then it happens. This is just not as black and white as it is being stated. However, it is my opinion if as SB takes money for a “date” that is prostitution…

  614. Kms2014 says:

    Lol, aren’t you on SA soliciting and trying to ‘pay’ for women and girlfriends, in order to rent a womb(theory)? I have nothing to hide as my past arrangements have been relationships and real, and my son met one of my past boyfriend/arrangement as we were a couple and would sometimes go to dinner. What you are threatening to do is against the law as evidenced, in the term used, ‘shred me’ and I wouldn’t want to find out. You are a little coward hiding behind your computer making threats at a woman and child. Wow…yes, I am sure that will bring you lots of applicants! Good luck with that, psychopath!

  615. SunShineSD says:

    Oh, stop bitching. You are fine so long as you keep the truce and refrain from harassing me and women interested in becoming my partners. If you keep harassing us, you will be taken to task via every legal means.

  616. SunShineSD says:

    Both charges that you are making would be false. Shredding you by disclosing to the public what you do would be entirely legal. You see, there is a huge difference between the court of law vs. the court of public opinion. It’s the latter that you have to worry about. I’m not at all worried about being known as the man who has a tendency of being White Knight. Heck, may even get me more applicants.

  617. Kms2014 says:

    SD Guru can you please email SunshineSD to stop threatening me as I believe that is a violation of the blog and the law.

  618. Kms2014 says:

    Then they will be happy to know you are a ‘John’ and uterus collector.

    “I do not try to upset people for petty reasons like you do, but when it comes to people getting in my way, I do shred them when necessary. You do not want to find that out.”

  619. SunShineSD says:

    There is no such right as keeping everyone in the dark if you are a prostitute. LOL. Any disclosure would come under simple First Amendment rights.

  620. SunShineSD says:

    If you have any rudimentary understanding of the law, you’d understand that information disclosure for which one is under no obligation to keep secret does not constitute threat to injure.

    You are just proving your own ignorance, like usual.

  621. Kms2014 says:

    Threatening people over the Internet is illegal in the United States. The crime of Threat by Instrument of Interstate Commerce is punishable by up to five years in prison. Conviction of this crime can also result in up to three years of supervised release and a fine of up to $250,000.00.

    Federal law 18 U.S.C. § 875(c) states: “Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.”

    The Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) investigates complaints of online threats. Every day, people in the United States send angry email messages for a variety of reasons. What many do not realize is that what they send via email or post on someone’s Facebook or Myspace, can land them in Federal prison.

  622. SunShineSD says:

    KMS,
    Stop projecting. You were the one who kept trying to put the last word in and telling the other party not to address you again. I do not at all mind you follow up my comments with yours. Nobody “wins” those arguments.

    No, you are not capable of making me angry. However, do not break the truce. Just because I’m not angry with someone doesn’t mean I wouldn’t make someone’s life miserable for clear business and strategic reasons. I do not try to upset people for petty reasons like you do, but when it comes to people getting in my way, I do shred them when necessary. You do not want to find that out.

  623. Kms2014 says:

    No, I did not stop because I am scared of you or your empty threats…You have no idea who I am and it is just crazy you would even think to do such a thing, even if you did know me. I am stopping because arguing with you is senseless and a waste of time. Is entertaining how angry you get sometimes, but really isn’t fun for others on the blog who actually want meaningful conversation that has to do with blog topics. I know you like to get the last word in and feel like you ‘won’, so whatever floats your boat, but the blog has spoken and we all want you to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine, sunshine.

  624. SunShineSD says:

    ygtbkm, appreciate your attempt at verbal gymnastics. The latest parsing seems to indicate that there is no disagreement of substance between you and I.

  625. SunShineSD says:

    Have a nice and relaxing evening, Southern babe.

  626. “Sunshine, You are the kind of person that background checks don’t protect against. I am so utterly sickened by you.
    And to think that you believe women would want to line up to give birth to your offspring?!
    I really wish someone would sew your asshole shut, and feed and feed and feed and feed and feed you all your bullshit until you explode.
    You ought be arrested for those comments. To say the least.”

    “Is threat of violence is really better than threat of non-violent disclosure? Where do people get the idea that threat of physical violence is even legal? More than a little hypocracy, perhaps?””

    Pardon my use of metaphors, Sunshine. Clearly, there’s no thread strong enough or long enough to sew up the gaping orifice from which your verbal excrement falls. I did, however, see a sign down the street for free manure, and I suppose that would serve the purpose in the literal sense quite well. Taken, of course, that you have a hunger for such knowledge.

    “Really? Perhaps you should look into building a genuine relationship with an SD who would offer you a genuine relationship package like I do, so you do not have to be so concerned about being exposed by accident or by deliberate action. That’s one of the reasons why I offer my SB’s genuine relationship, so that she would not have to be embarrassed at all if found out by others. I always introduce her to my family and friends as Girlfriend.”

    Thank you for your kind suggestion, Sunshine. I am not at all interested at this time. And by “at this time”, I mean ever.

  627. SouthernSB says:

    Well it was a fun and interesting day to say the least. On the east coast it’s 9 and I’ve been on the computer all day. I’m calling it quits and am going to sit on my couch, drink camomile and watch Jewelery TV. Night all.

  628. SunShineSD says:

    @Southern,

    First thing first: I was not planning on outing KMS per se. just like all the nuclear weapons that the US and Russia possess: so they do not have to be used! thanks to the Assured Destruction Doctrine that has kept the planet at peace among major powers for the longest time ever in recorded human history! The threat was simply a negotiation device, to shock both parties into realizing what’s at the stake for all the petty squabbles; as a diplomatic device it worked very well as KMS and I have finally reached a truce immediately after the card was flashed.

    No, I would never “out” anyone who has a relationship with me via SA; in fact I go out my way to create alibi for them even for the first meeting.

    Secondly, questions regarding me being outed. My ex-wife knows about my baby making “plan”/”aspiration.” She was actually willing to help me raise the child if my ex-SB/GF’s baby had been mine and if the ex-SB/GF did not wish to raise the baby herself. There is nothing to out me about my SA activities. I do not pay any SB fee for access to her vagina; I ask what her needs are and I help her accordingly, just like between normal boyfriends and girlfriends. After being with the same person for extended time, there might be an allowance (just like I gave my wife when we were still married, per advice from the marriage counselor), but that is not dependent on sex or frequency, but simply dependent on whether there is an ongoing dating relationship. So there is nothing to out me about my activities here.

    Why did I choose SA to be my dating venue of choice? Because this is where I can find a young woman for whom I can make the most difference in her life in the long run, picking her up at a moment of her vulnerability, intercepting her on the start of a slippery downward spiral, and put her back on track to career success or her biological destiny with children raised in proper middle class environment.

  629. SunShineSD says:

    The legal department at SA probably welcomes the presence and offers of genuine long term relationships by SD’s, as that would help counter-balance some of the transactional-leaning comments. Both the marketing department and the legal department probably prefer less bickering on the blog. Arrangements are what you make of it.

    Rest assured, I don’t start fights.

  630. SouthernSB says:

    @flyR-Please take me with you.

  631. flyR says:

    It’s time for a vacation

  632. SouthernSB says:

    Really SunShineSD would you like it if someone threatened to “out” you and your activities? Do your parents know that you pay money for your “girlfriends.” How would you feel if your ex-wife and kids got wind of you co-parenting plans? What if one of your former SBs just went all over and posted that you’re not only an ass but you’re cheap too, what if that got around to all your friends? How would you feel when you went to the club? Really it doesn’t matter at this point who started it, you need to be the bigger person and finish it by letting the whole thing go. Also, I think I can speak for the majority when I say, we are all tired of listening to you wax on about your hypothetical plans to populate the country with you “superior” offspring.” We get it. You are better than we are because you are rich and can string two sentences together, and you would go ahead with your plans except every woman just so happens to be a drugged up, menopausal and got knocked up by her equally drugged up boyfriend.

  633. Jj says:

    Hey Guru! of all blog Gods incarnate. Don’y you think it is high time you “fired a shot across the bow” of this endless bull’shyiet’….. as you had cautioned me on one occasion………..PLEASE!!!!!

  634. Jj says:

    SunShine…. really you say you are an adult individual of means and it would behoove you to take the f*n thing elsewhere where you can elaborate and control the input/output of debate. But the endless bickering you are creating here on an info blog isn’t doing you or your plan any favors; it is likely driving potentials away from your idea. May I suggest once again; take it off this blog, have your own blog and when anyone makes reference, kindly direct said individual to said blog………….easy and get over it already.

  635. SunShineSD says:

    @Jj
    Thank you for the input. I do not bring it up unless someone else is critiquing it. Some critics have an uncanny way of bringing it up. LOL.

    In any case, without getting into the details of my plan again, a genuine relationship of mutual acceptance on the most fundamental level is one way out of the difficulties many are facing.

  636. SunShineSD says:

    “Sunshine, You are the kind of person that background checks don’t protect against. I am so utterly sickened by you.
    And to think that you believe women would want to line up to give birth to your offspring?!
    I really wish someone would sew your asshole shut, and feed and feed and feed and feed and feed you all your bullshit until you explode.
    You ought be arrested for those comments. To say the least.”

    Really? Perhaps you should look into building a genuine relationship with an SD who would offer you a genuine relationship package like I do, so you do not have to be so concerned about being exposed by accident or by deliberate action. That’s one of the reasons why I offer my SB’s genuine relationship, so that she would not have to be embarrassed at all if found out by others. I always introduce her to my family and friends as Girlfriend.

    Is threat of violence is really better than threat of non-violent disclosure? Where do people get the idea that threat of physical violence is even legal? More than a little hypocracy, perhaps?

  637. Jj says:

    SunShine…….. I think you have witnessed more than one comment on here of the tiring of your endless “reruns” of your “plan”. Ok, it’s your plan and stick too it, but please; for the people who come to this blog seeking advice and direction or just simply to vent their trials of sugar dating, take it off blog–create your own blog regarding the plan, and direct all of interest to it specifically and live free and be happy. Nuff already, nuff said, just say’n

  638. Kms2014 says:

    Exactly, so shut it.

  639. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    “You can’t do anything except continue to make a fool of yourself, sunshine. So, do shut up.”

    Be careful now, we just started the truce a few seconds ago.

  640. 42SWM says:

    Yeah, the Founders were afraid that people would misconstrue the right to property to mean that everyone should be given property (smart people those Founders), so Jefferson “changed it” to the pursuit of happiness.

    While the pursuit of happiness is just great as a political aspiration, it is a horrible prescription from a psychology standpoint.

    Funny how John Locke was considered radical for his day, but in the modern era classical liberalism is downright conservative.

  641. SunShineSD says:

    @KMS
    “let us all love on and drop it (:”

    Good, let’s both make honest effort keeping the truce this time.

  642. Kms2014 says:

    You can’t do anything except continue to make a fool of yourself, sunshine. So, do shut up.

  643. SunShineSD says:

    @ygtbkm

    “You made a threat against a child. You threatened to intrude into someone’s life, and compromise the well-being of a child’s mind. There is no greater low. And there is no defense you can offer to excuse your behavior.”

    No, it was a clear warning so I do not actually have to do it, even after her repeated attempt at disturb the state of mind for me and for women interested in what I have to offer. Consider that a humanitarian diplomatic policy trying to avoid escalation.

  644. “42SWM says:
    July 27, 2014 at 4:17 pm
    @YGBKM:

    Yes. It is a shame that John Locke’s the rights of life, liberty, and property were transformed into life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence.”

    Ah. I didn’t know that bit of history.

  645. Kms2014 says:

    “I really wish someone would sew your asshole shut, and feed and feed and feed and feed and feed you all your bullshit until you explode.”

    Lol, that would be a huge explosion, indeed….

  646. Kms2014 says:

    Move on…I meant 😉

  647. Kms2014 says:

    Your comments did no such thing except embarrass yourself, sunshine. Now that everyone has said their peace…let us all love on and drop it (:

  648. Sunshine, You are the kind of person that background checks don’t protect against. I am so utterly sickened by you.

    And to think that you believe women would want to line up to give birth to your offspring?!

    I really wish someone would sew your asshole shut, and feed and feed and feed and feed and feed you all your bullshit until you explode.

    You ought be arrested for those comments. To say the least.

  649. 42SWM says:

    @YGBKM:

    Yes. It is a shame that John Locke’s the rights of life, liberty, and property were transformed into life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence.

    Thanks for your kind words above by the way. Finding myself a bit glum, I took the weekend off to focus on work and to stay low-key. I took the opportunity to hit the reset button, and I am confident I achieved my objectives.

    To everyone above seeking to extinguish a certain flame war, I would humbly suggest that pursuing happiness is kind of like pursuing the end of online flame wars–they are both goals that one can’t really pursue directly.

    When I have difficult clients, I use what I refer to as client ju jitsu and let them deplete themselves of their own energy. Feed not a fire.

  650. You made a threat against a child. You threatened to intrude into someone’s life, and compromise the well-being of a child’s mind. There is no greater low. And there is no defense you can offer to excuse your behavior.

    I can’t deal.

  651. SunShineSD says:

    @42 @ygtbkm

    Correct, happiness is the byproduct of pursuing and gradually attaining some worthy goal. When the end result is achieved, human nature would demand something else.

  652. SunShineSD says:

    Besides, if my comment makes her stop doing things that might embarrass her 16yo son, it would be all for the better. hehe 😉

  653. @42SWM

    I agree completely. My adopted philosophy is “Don’t pursue happiness, create it.” Else, the pursuit never ends.

  654. SunShineSD says:

    Slander, corruption, malicious lies and sickening were all KMS was doing when she was “commenting on” and mis-characterizing my plan for a genuine co-parenting arrangement with willing women.

  655. 42SWM says:

    Two of the oddest things in life are happiness and time.

    Time is the one thing that the rich can’t buy or invest to get more of (although the rich can take more time off, I don’t know many who do). While you can attempt to manage your calendar, the best and worst things in life are surprises, and even the most successful and powerful of people can’t truly control their day. In some ways, I had more control over my day cutting lawns or washing dishes as a teenager than I do as professional person. Big client has an emergency tomorrow, and it will become my emergency. Heck, the President of the United States can’t control his own calendar either—events can steamroll the best laid plans.

    Happiness is the one thing that can’t be effectively pursued directly. None of the happy people I know ever really tries to be happy. I have never seen anyone put together an action plan to become happy, follow the plan, and achieve happiness. Most other things can be achieved using that methodology, but not happiness. Happiness simply doesn’t work that way. What happy people do is engage in meaningful pursuits and meaningful relationships. In some cases, they appear to lose themselves in concern for others and seem to find the greatest joys.

    There is some psychological magic in the beatitudes. The people who are the most successful in dealing with stressful situations appear to be able to place themselves as small pieces into a larger mosaic.

    I totally agree that sugar dating, romance generally, etc. isn’t going to make an unhappy person happy. Those are activities I pursue when happy, not things done to alleviate unhappiness. It is my current state of grumpiness that is inducing me to put certain things on hold. Peace!

  656. SunShineSD says:

    @ygtbkm

    Thank you for the extensive comments. Let me first assure you that there was no viciousness intended to your earlier comment that you mentioned. The reference to animal behavior was simply a comparison study on how paternity uncertainty is handled by other animal species, not at all an insult to anyone. I don’t think I ever talked about dogs, but did reference wolfpacks, where only the alpha male and female reproduce, but alpha female often allow other male wolves in the pack to urinate on her rear end, so as to create a sense of them can be the father of her pup too in case the alpha male gets killed or just recruiting the help of other males in the pack in general. By contrast, among lion prides, the new alpha male kills all existing pups so that the lionesses in the pride can enter estrus again and be available to him. Whereas at the other end of the extreme, the pair-bonding birds usually have half the eggs not sired by the male bird, and he doesn’t know anything about it. So much for “love birds.” LOL. As you can see, I have no particular disrespect for Lions, Wolves or Birds. Just a scientific comparison. Women trying to pull off a polyamory network with herself at the center pooling resources from multiple men seems to be trying a alpha-female wolf strategy. I’m simply not interested in becoming a beta male wolf genetic dead end. Unlike the hapless male bird, I can resort to DNA test, even pre-natal DNA test. And of course, I have no intention of killing anyone else’ baby. I even prefer leaving abortion decision to the woman and her one-night-stand accident/mistake partner; it’s simply a decision they have to deal with. Then I decide to sponsor anyone at all. Fairly simple and morally unambiguous approach, I’d think.

    As for the run-in’s with KMS, she was incessantly insulting my plan by mis-characterizing it with all sorts of sordid names relating to things that I have no intention of doing. I corrected her multiple times yet she persisted on the vile propaganda against my plan. Then some other poster dared to write some sympathetic comments, KMS immediately insulted them, and insulted any and all women who would consider the genuine co-parenting plan that I offer. All for what? Just because she is probably too old to be reproductive. That’s all. As her citations from PscyhologyToday diagnosed, my plan simply brings up unbearably painful memory to her regarding her own failed marriage to a loser and being left alone to raise a child and having to resort to sugaring to make ends meet, and probably resulting in drug dependency too. As a defense mechanism, she has to insist the grapes that she can not have sour. I had been patient with her for many many weeks. Finally, enough is enough. If she insists on insulting me, my potential partners and our future children, beating us all over the head with a verbal 2×4 everyday, I will buzz saw her offensive implements. If I have to let her son’s classmates and teachers know what a drug whore they have in their midst in order to get her to stop insulting women who are interested in genuine co-parenting partnership with me, that would be fine too.

  657. @Jay says:

    “I keep hearing the terms, “real sugared daddy ” and “real sugar baby” and ” real SD/SB arrangements” . Would someone please define these terms. What, in fact, is real and what is not real in this virtual world!”

    “I also recall reading somewhere that in a poll of men who frequent prostitutes, that sex is not the sole reason they go. This is born [out of] the Japanese tradition of Geisha. Sometimes a man just needs to show off some arm candy
    Sometimes he wants a confidant. Maybe he has needs that wifey just doesn’t fill.”

    It’s really hard to tell, Jay. The concept of real as loudly projected seems convoluted at best. I think that anonymity adds another degree of reality as the distance between the person and the persona tends to widen, and you can never be too sure which parts of the two you’re getting.

    This place somehow feels like the Twilight Zone Where the Wild Things Are, where there are no rules and everything is fair game. While everyone projects this happiness in the attainment of sugar, I can’t help but recognize deeper voids which are somehow manifested in anger, delusion, pretension and false elation.

    Your comments about wants and needs are interesting, and remind me of something I recently came across but have hesitated to share until now. Mostly because acknowledging the human condition doesn’t seem to be welcome here? Josh, Oprah Winfrey is not in the building. Nor is her money.

    Anyway…

    I was walking to the lab the other day, and way up on the 4th? floor of this building, I noticed something written on two huge sheets of paper. One was a sheet of white paper with black print, and the other was a black paper with white print. On one read, “I have everything I need and nothing I want.” On the other read, “I have everything I want and nothing I need.”

    I don’t know why, but i immediately thought of this blog and everyone here. I think that figuring out where we fall along this dichotomy and duality is the challenge. How is it that we come here and elsewhere in search of these things we either “want” or “need” yet are still not happy once we attain them? Of course, this is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. I do, however, think that there is a certain regard that should be considered in the trial and error, triumph and failures of human relationships and interactions.

  658. flyR says:

    So much anger and despair these days. I’ll second the suggestion that Josh and his two most frequent targets should take it to email. It’s like trying to enjoy dinner with a couple arguing at the next table. At least there’s no blood flowing here.

    I’m still more comfortable with the allowance, sometimes paid in halves rather than one lump . But when it is a student’s rent money the single payment may be best. Although P4P may be the better option in a majority of cases, I tend to look for sb’s who are not just there because they are out of cash. For both parties, it’s important that there be a common set of expectations and hopefully each adds more.

    I have clients who pay us by the billed hour (I manage not to feel bought), by the month and by the project. It’s all about fairness. As a side note 80% of our business is done on a handshake and 90% of our problems with clients where there is a written agreement the 20%.

    I think the times and the relentless promotion of SA as vehicle to monetize respectable muffins (former SB description) have changed the composition of SB’s and the discussion here. Mostly for the worse. The last 6 years have devastated the net worth and liquidity of many young college grads and there is a growing realization that the few remaining taxpayers are going to have an immense burden carrying the combined load of the doubled national debt and vast increase expenses.

    Sugar will endure, the internet allows searching . The question is if someone will look at the unoccupied battlespace in the market and come up with one or two similar services that offer something better.

  659. “@ygtbkm
    KMS removed all rules of engagement when she repeatedly launched Ad hominem attacks against me and against women who would be interested in becoming my partners, and by consequence the children we may have in the future.”

    I’m sorry, Sunshine. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Ad hominem attacks against theoretical women and children who do not and may never exist?

    Your theory is no more valid than that of the Flying Spaghetti Monster until you put it into practice. Your current sample size of one mother and two children is too small to validate transferability.

    You seem to respond viciously to anyone who has a differing or varying position. I remember giving a very thoughtful and objective response to your baby theory (I actually tried to explore your thoughts and reasoning). I also, shared some of my own philosophy on partnership as a gesture of vulnerability to empathize with your alternative view. You, in turn, took that gesture (similarly to what you’ve done here) and viciously attracted it, making some reference to being pissed on by dogs and tricking men into raising illegitimate children? There seems to be no reasoning with you outside of agreeing with you.

    To be honest, Id really like you to put your plan into action (Will any willing and “suitable” ladies please accept his invitation?). And, please, I say this not because I wish to watch you fail, point, laugh, and spout I told you so(s). I really hope your plan works out for you, the women and innocent children you bring into it. I do, however, think that you should consider other’s input, not as attacks, but as possible outside perspective of challenges you might not have otherwise considered. Surely there are no Utopias that remain so. That doesn’t mean that people shouldnt try to create them. So by all means, go for it. The key is realizing and accepting that unanticipated outcomes happen (this is the case in many marriages and relationships…loveships, business relationships, friendships and otherwise), and adapting and moving along with this partner, or starting from another place with newly gained knowledge from experience.

    It’s one thing to learn from and build upon the outcomes of others, but it does your mission no justice to assault someone based on their experience of unanticipated outcomes. Most specifically when you don’t have a full picture of that person’s story. No one signs up for love or marriage to fall out of it. These are not isolated experiences, and I will dare to say that everyone here has a story of their own anticipated outcomes which may or may not be the same as the next person’s. Yes, it’s most ideal to plan and build a foundation to minimize and avoid these outcomes, but everyone experiences them to some degree, despite “planning” and best intentions. You have shared some of your own. So this, Im sure–despite your convictions–you know to be true.

    I know that feeling the need to constantly defend something you’re passionate about can be frustrating, upsetting…and exhausting. You might consider, Sunshine, referring readers to whichever topic/thread contains the most concise and comprehensive account of your theory so that it’s not a recurring, heated and divisive topic on every thread.

  660. Jay says:

    I also recall reading somewhere that in a poll of men who frequent prostitutes, that sex is not the sole reason they go. This is born
    Ne out by the Japanese tradition of Geisha. Sometimes a man just needs to show off some arm candy
    Sometimes he wants a confidant. Maybe he has needs that wifey just doesn’t fill.

  661. Jay says:

    I believe that the spectrum of what people seek and want is very broad. Getting back to the original article that spurred this blog, I kind of agree. I would prefer some subtlety, romance if you will. The flat out pay to play is just too crass.

  662. SunShineSD says:

    See, here’s the difference between us:

    You are just into dishing out groundless personal attacks, and expect to get away with it, because once upon a time you were cute and could get away with such nonsense.

    Whereas me, well, I was never born as a pretty flighty girl. Everything I have I had to earn it, so I’ve developed skills for coming to conclusions with introducing evidences and sound logic.

  663. FatB'StardSD says:

    @ygtbkm

    “And I find it funny how you men carry on about how a woman should (as if she doesn’t) seek a man who can adequately support her and her child…”

    I think many woman do not seek a man who will support her and her child. How many of the blog SB’s have kids? All the SB’s on the blog have younger sexy BF’s IRL (or can easily get them) so they are not looking to find SD’s for intimacy, they are looking to get financial support. How many SB’s have BF’s IRL? They are not looking for a relationship and only want financial support. I would rather these SB’s find a SD who knows their situation and supports them then rely on the nanny state to take care of their kids.

  664. NS&N."A." says:

    Josh says:
    July 26, 2014 at 8:32 am
    @NS&N.”A.”
    Do you comprehend what you write?

    I fully comprehend myself (and you), Josh:). I get paid – really well – for what I write, outside this funny site.

  665. Kms2014 says:

    Sorry, should have just said…my mistake.

    You can’t argue with crazy

    –any sane person

  666. SunShineSD says:

    Yes, I can be quite details oriented and methodical. That’s often the difference between success vs. failure and winning vs. losing in life.

  667. SunShineSD says:

    I never thought about whether you are stupid. It was only after you launched into ad hominem attacks labeling me as “insane” and “crazy” did I tally up and flesh out a case why you are “insane” and “crazy.” If you’d like me to make a case study on why you are “stupid,” I can certainly do that for you, KMS.

  668. Kms2014 says:

    “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

    ― Mark Twain

  669. SunShineSD says:

    *leaving her in the lurch over all these years.

  670. SunShineSD says:

    @ygtbkm

    You have to forgive KMS for her bitterness over her loser of an ex-husband leaving over in the lurch all these years.

  671. SunShineSD says:

    @ygtbkm

    “And I find it funny how you men carry on about how a woman should (as if she doesn’t) seek a man who can adequately support her and her child, but will fight tooth and nail to keep from supporting her after she leaves. Please help me understand.”

    It’s easy: you are lumping together entirely different men. Men are individuals just like women are. I never fought with my ex-wife regarding her support from me. I’m paying multiple times what the court specified in divorce decree when granting us the divorce; to be specific, I’m paying her about 15x the national average on child support, or more than 20x the national median. No court would ever mandate that from me.

    “And Sunshine, spare us the novel, please. We know that your hypothetical plan allows for the support of all 6 of the mothers you never intend to marry.”

    There is nothing hypothetical for the woman that I’m already supporting as the mother of my child. There is no sex involved between she and I nowadays, just in case you are wondering. Being the mother of my child, and raising the child well, is quite sufficient for that kind of support from me.

  672. SunShineSD says:

    @Fatty @Josh

    Thank you. I prefer to label those thoughts/conclusions as “Unusual Insights,” which most people just never thought about when going through their daily grind, but would quickly come around to share my view if they pause and think for a while.

    In real life, the Unusual Insights are finding remarkably good reception, among both women and men that I shared the ideas.

    Am I in a hurry to raise a whole bunch of kids? Of course not, as much as I love kids and welcome them. I too enjoy the moment, after putting risks to rest. The safety net / golden parachute is there for the woman when she is ready and so inclined.

  673. Kms2014 says:

    “SouthernSB says:
    July 27, 2014 at 11:39 am
    @Josh-Women don’t have an “expiry” date, that is just a myth perpetrated by men who refuse to see beyond the fact that women don’t stay 22 forever.”

    Ain’t that the truth! Hehe, lol!

  674. Kms2014 says:

    Ygbkm…don’t worry, I laugh at certain insane posters showing narcissistic rage. It just validates what I have said all along, and proves my above stated points even more so.

  675. And I find it funny how you men carry on about how a woman should (as if she doesn’t) seek a man who can adequately support her and her child, but will fight tooth and nail to keep from supporting her after she leaves.

    Please help me understand.

    And Sunshine, spare us the novel, please. We know that your hypothetical plan allows for the support of all 6 of the mothers you never intend to marry.

  676. SouthernSB says:

    @Josh-Women don’t have an “expiry” date, that is just a myth perpetrated by men who refuse to see beyond the fact that women don’t stay 22 forever.

  677. SunShineSD says:

    @ygtbkm
    KMS removed all rules of engagement when she repeatedly launched Ad hominem attacks against me and against women who would be interested in becoming my partners, and by consequence the children we may have in the future. I simply could not leave the challenge unanswered or let her adverse propaganda campaign to continue.

    Some of my words may have come across a little harsh, but rest assured I do not hate her; nor was I even angry when writing them. I’m a believer in Blitzkrieg and Credible Mutually Assured Destruction: rapid deployment of firepower and credibility to use them in order to reach quick conflict resolution and minimize casualty in the long run. It’s the humanitarian approach to conflicts that can not be avoided.

  678. *hypothetical theory regarding your aspirations of child rearing with multiple women

  679. Josh says:

    I agree that SunShineSD does make excellent points in that general area.

    Other than that…;)

  680. Sunshine, I hope you feel better about yourself now. Is nothing off the table here? To make attacks against one’s child is an atrocity. And for what, to shame or discredit her character? To validate a hypothetical theory of your own? These are delicate matters, and you should really be ashamed of yourself.

  681. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Josh

    As crazy as SunShineSD is (or his posts make him seem) he has an excellent point. A woman (who is not a relative) who does not consider you as the potential father of her children is NEVER worth investing in. This point of view is not popular with many of the blog SB’s. I was always nice to my SB’s but I never really cared about them beyond giving them an allowance.

  682. Josh says:

    @SouthernSB

    “@Josh I could say the same thing applies to women.”

    No you can’t. Women have what SunShineSD refers to as “expiry date”, men don’t.

    When men do get to similar expiry date, they are not sexually interested in women and the whole argument is moot. 😉

  683. SunShineSD says:

    “There you go, making up things that are so far off from the truth…anyway, ”

    Nope, just summarizing what you told us.

    “I’m done addressing you.”

    You promised that many times before, but couldn’t stick to your promise, probably due to your psychological problems after years of drug use and hardship in life after getting pregnant with a loser and giving birth to the child then without getting adequate help from the loser.

    “You are a very horrible person, and have shown your true colors to everyone on here.”

    My colors were clearly explained to you earlier: you get back exactly how you treat me.

  684. SunShineSD says:

    “Everything you say is once again, crazy and false.”

    Really? So you don’t have a 16yo son after all? and you never had SD’s? What are you? a fictional character? Please keep your story straight.

  685. Kms2014 says:

    There you go, making up things that are so far off from the truth…anyway, I’m done addressing you. You are a very horrible person, and have shown your true colors to everyone on here.

  686. SouthernSB says:

    Talking about happiness…if a man is not happy and thinks that a woman is going to make him happy, he is fucked.
    Josh says:
    My advice about happiness is to find predictable thing(s)/activity(ies) that make(s) you happy. Then engage women as needed. You’ll be happy. 😉

    Sex is a man’s need. Get it as/when needed. Sugar is the best way of getting it.

    You don’t marry food. Why would you marry a woman and have her ruin your sanity?

    @Josh I could say the same thing applies to women.

  687. SunShineSD says:

    Southern, KMS started ad hominem attacks and hitting below the belt. I’m fine with changing from boxing to kick boxing if that’s what she wants.

  688. SunShineSD says:

    Shot-gun marriage to a loser after getting pregnant with him was an even more insane/crazy decision, that apparently did not work out either.

    Thank you for pointing out there are horrible and crazy people on the blog, and you are it! You keep bashing everyone who is not into overpaying for your pussy for a drug enhanced weekend, regardless whether other people prefer less commitment in their relationships or being open to more commitment in their relationships. You are the egomaniac and harbors a rage against your own son and baby-daddy, yet have decided to project those rage at strangers on a blog.

  689. SouthernSB says:

    SunShine, you are fighting below the belt. Ad hominem attacks look very unattractive and petty.

  690. Kms2014 says:

    I really have no idea what you are talking about, in regards to my past and my son. I was married, when I had him. Everything you say is once again, crazy and false.

    I actually agree with Ava, in that there are some horrible people on this blog, and usually do not do any psychoanalysis mumbo jumbo on others, but is pretty obvious in your case….your ego and rage is very obvious on here.

  691. SunShineSD says:

    @Southern,
    I was quite willing to grant a 48 hour truce, but hey, the 2×4 insists on coming back to meet the buzz saw.

    @KMS,
    All right, let’s talk about “crazy” then:

    Which part of having high standards and requiring sincerity on women that I would engage is “crazy”? As compared to you who hawk your pussy to the highest bidder despite having a 16yr old boy living at home? Do you really want to lose custody of your son?

    Perhaps you do harbor resentment towards him, and his father, a loser who had no ability or intention of raising his child therefore someone you should never have slept to begin with, much less getting pregnant with, or keeping the child. Those were indeed crazy decisions on your part. Crazy decisions that have apparently led to psychological problems for you: that you would think citing mumble jumble from magazines that you find in a shrink’s waiting room is suitable for posting to a blog or enhance your credibility.

  692. Kms2014 says:

    Southern, am trying to ignore the crazy loon 😉 is typical of narcissist’s reaction to accuse you of being narcissist, once you have called them out on their behavior. It is very typical behavior. From the same psychologytoday article.

    “The reason that feelings of anger and rage are so typically expressed by them is that in the moment they externalize the far more painful anxiety- or shame-related emotions hiding just beneath them. When they’re on the verge of feeling—or re-feeling—some hurt or humiliation from their past, their consequent rage conveniently “transfers” these unwanted feelings to another (and see here my PT post “Anger—How We Transfer Feelings of Guilt, Hurt, and Fear”).
    The accompanying message that gets communicated through such antagonistic emotions is “I’m not bad (wrong, stupid, mean, etc.), you are!” Or, it could even be: “I’m not narcissistic, or borderline! You are!” (Or, in slightly milder version, “If I’m narcissistic, or borderline, then so are you!”) And if the mentally healthier individual has no clue as to what provoked their outburst in the first place, such a sudden explosion is likely to make them feel not only baffled but hurt, and maybe even frightened. But what cannot be overemphasized here is that narcissists…”

  693. SouthernSB says:

    @KMS2014&@SunShineSD-You two need to establish a 48 hr. truce in this war for humanitarian reasons.

  694. RSD says:

    As far as up-front monthly allowances, it’s a gamble. Most SBs will hold up their end of the bargain, only because they will need more money in a month. But many won’t. But as in any gambling, the house always wins. And I don’t let the SB dictate the terms; I state what I offer and what I expect, and she can take it or leave it.

  695. SunShineSD says:

    correction: the above policy is not just for women. Many men are the same way, especially among the lower to lower-middle income demographics.

  696. SunShineSD says:

    Exactly, Fatty. Many women have that hungry mean streak. I prefer to use small treats/rewards to test out how a woman reacts. If she bites viciously, I won’t give her the big prizes.

  697. MidwestSugarDaddy says:

    The discussion has been robust on this blog topic. It does seem like there is a race to the bottom on sugar. I am a monthly allowance type of guy with the right person. I have done the PPM style once, but the girl and the experience was a bit too transactional for my tastes.

    The amount of girls you really need to sift through is quite daunting if you are looking for a real sugar baby. The work can be worth it, but the process seems much more drawn out with the flood of the PPM daddies, sugar babies, and escorts/frauds. My current arrangement has been pretty good, but she is on a short leash, as all SD’s and SB’s should be until you really get comfortable. I can see why the average relationship is only about 3 months.

    Josh and Sunshine, you two should really hash out your battles via email. I like you guys and some of your points, but you two are clogging the blog up. KMS, this advice is for you too. Lol.

  698. SunShineSD says:

    @Josh

    No need to worry about the unhappy children complaining. There is no guarantee I will necessarily have any more children than the one biological and one adopted that I currently have. If they do come, it will be one at a time, well spaced out along the time line, with sufficient opportunities to make modifications to the plan if necessary. The risk of having babies is a natural consequence of having sex between two fertile people, just like having accident is a natural consequential risk of driving on the road even if no accident is intended. When you are so well prepared, like amusement park bump cars, a bump can actually be fun instead of being a disaster.

    I prefer to be mindful of the risks and plan ahead to turn risks (if they happen) into opportunities. With the downside covered in a put option already purchased, I can enjoy the moment of current fun better; probably same for the intelligent woman too.

  699. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Josh

    “The more “nice” the man acts, the more she is going to scam you.”

    Being nice is fine, being a pushover is a death sentence. Once a woman thinks she can take advantage of you it’s over!

  700. Josh says:

    gtt_envy

    “I can go for my issues with being with younger women when I have great GF”

    You need that for sure.

    “you can go to help heal your hate for a whole gender………other than using them as a vehicle to get off then toss ;)”

    Since your have lost all your posse to gang up on me, you have just changed your style to criticize me. That’s all.

    I have no hate for women. If a woman become the President of the United States in 2016 or whenever, more power to her, I will respectfully address her as “Ms. President.” She’d better no hob-nob with Oprah and her posse though, which alas she’d not be able to.

    If a woman becomes the richest person in the world, by EARNING, more power to her as well. 😉

  701. Josh says:

    Talking about happiness…if a man is not happy and thinks that a woman is going to make him happy, he is fucked.

    My advice about happiness is to find predictable thing(s)/activity(ies) that make(s) you happy. Then engage women as needed. You’ll be happy. 😉

    Sex is a man’s need. Get it as/when needed. Sugar is the best way of getting it.

    You don’t marry food. Why would you marry a woman and have her ruin your sanity?

  702. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    “One way to avoid the hard-nosed negotiations is simply listening to her, finding out what are her needs, say, rent, car payment, school, etc., or desire to go on vacation or designer bags/shoes, then offering to pay for what she needs/wants, just like what one with much higher income would do for the other in a conventional dating relationship. It’s better than asking her to set a price on herself anyway.”

    When you take time off concocting silly theories, you fill that block of time with silly advice-giving. The more “nice” the man acts, the more she is going to scam you.

    Women and relationship DO NOT–I repeat DO NOT–mix. You engage them to do what you want done, such as, temporary company, partying, sex, children, whatever. Let them be and don’t take them too seriously. You will be a happy man. 😉

  703. gtt_envy says:

    Joshy, you dish out far more than anyone else here, so don’t play the victim now lol. We can go to therapy together 😉 I can go for my issues with being with younger women when I have great GF and you can go to help heal your hate for a whole gender………other than using them as a vehicle to get off then toss 😉

  704. SunShineSD says:

    @Josh
    “With your insane requirements of “perfection” in your women, you’d better by prepared to pay insane amounts.”

    LOL. I hear you. I’m quite willing to take an imperfect woman, so long as those imperfections are things that I can change for the better later. The already perfect women are probably taken already 😉 Things like difficult past life, even whatever she had to do previously, so long as there is no disease or criminal record resulting from that past, are things that I can change easily for the better for her.

  705. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    You have alot of time at your hand to come up with the fucked up theories, which no one is buying. Especially, when those theories only apply to at most half a dozen women who “may” bring their uterus to be impregnated with your seed.

    I would love to see the expressions on your wrinkled face when one (possibly all?) of your experimental child tells you on your face, “you’re one messed up dude!” 😉

  706. SunShineSD says:

    @42
    Taking some time out when you are not comfortable with the ongoing process is a good thing. I took over a year of hiatus after I realized that the SB/GF that I was seeing for over a year and half had been lying to me and manipulating me, both after and before she got pregnant with one of her loser friends; it really helped clearing the mind.

    One way to avoid the hard-nosed negotiations is simply listening to her, finding out what are her needs, say, rent, car payment, school, etc., or desire to go on vacation or designer bags/shoes, then offering to pay for what she needs/wants, just like what one with much higher income would do for the other in a conventional dating relationship. It’s better than asking her to set a price on herself anyway.

  707. Josh says:

    *that she is powerless against

  708. Josh says:

    SunShineSD

    “@Josh
    Free money from a man is the sweetest thing a woman can have in her life. ;)”

    “So shower her with plenty if/when she delivers what you want from her. LOL. It’s only money.”

    You only do that when you know that she is genuinely interested in you AND has the humility to acknowledge that powerless against the desire for free money AND that she is not doing you a favor AND that she is not going to sabotage the relationship even after getting the free money. It takes a special kind of woman to shower the free money and not feel like a fool at the end, after having been played as one.

  709. Josh says:

    @SunShineSD

    ‘Men who care about genuine relationships and willing/able to pay a high price for such a relationship, like myself, are a tiny minority . . . so rare that some even consider such willingness “insane.”’

    With your insane requirements of “perfection” in your women, you’d better by prepared to pay insane amounts.

  710. SunShineSD says:

    IMHO, the decline in SB quality (and perhaps SD quality too) has to do with the fact that we are now in the 6th year of a major economic decline/stagnation. Six years of hard knocks can do a lot of damage to one’s self-esteem and moral rectitude. Someone listed earlier about the different types of SB’s (some in the latter categories are not really SB’s) and gradual transition:

    1. Seeking a well established BF, using sugar requirement as screening tool;
    2. Soft Sugaring;
    3. Hard Sugaring;
    4. sex-for-money; bona fide whoredom
    5. Scammers, or having brain so damaged by hard drugs, that can not even fulfill a sex-for-money agreement. That road eventually lead to petty crimes, major crimes, jail time and early deaths.

    As genuine SD’s, I think we have some moral obligations to take the girl off the carousel while she is still in the early stages before hardship eventually damages her beyond repair. No, such damage is not due to sugaring; without opportunities in steps 1, 2, 3, she would just head straight to step 4 in the progression like human society has been run for thousands of years. SA and sugaring just give the girl some extra opportunities in the early stages of difficult circumstances.

  711. SunShineSD says:

    @Fatty

    ““…the importance of fucking only potential fathers who can provide substantial support in case baby happens.”

    I think this should be taught to every young woman.”

    Agree. That should be a cardinal rule taught to every young woman, along with the Bismarckian insight: only fools learn from their own mistakes, whereas smart people learn from those of others.

    “This is getting nasty, but I like it!”

    Well, I was not trying to be nasty. I just turn into a buzz saw if someone fancy themselves as 2×4’s hitting people over the head all the time.

  712. SunShineSD says:

    @Josh
    “Free money from a man is the sweetest thing a woman can have in her life. ;)”

    So shower her with plenty if/when she delivers what you want from her. LOL. It’s only money.

  713. SunShineSD says:

    “And, I find nothing wrong with prostitution. We all whore in one way or another. Would make things much easier for girls with the right intentions, if prostitution would be legalised in USA. ”

    Agree. The main reason why it is illegal is because nearly half the voters understand that if prostitution were legalized, the price would collapse, along with the “price” and power of vagina in general in the contexts of wives and girlfriends. Men who care about genuine relationships and willing/able to pay a high price for such a relationship, like myself, are a tiny minority . . . so rare that some even consider such willingness “insane.” Almost all men at least go through a phase where generic pencil sharpener would suffice; it takes maturity and economic success to grow out of that phase. Most men fail to accomplish one or the other.

  714. Josh says:

    Most, not all, are.

  715. Treasured says:

    And marriage/relationship counsellors told you, that all romantic relationships with women were fucked?

  716. Josh says:

    Consulting with marriage/relationship counselors. 😉

  717. Treasured says:

    Joshy, that makes me want to give you a big hug and a kiss on your nose 😛

    I do wonder, what kind of research did you do? 😀

  718. Josh says:

    @Treasured

    “Josh, just a question.
    I am curious.
    In what way did woman hurt you so much, that you are the way you are?”

    Personal experience, research and a lots of observations of wives/gfs of decent men that women proactively sabotage relationships.

  719. Josh says:

    @Elaine

    The projected net worth of the ladies above is anywhere from $40 million for Julianne Moore and $150 for Demi Moore.

    Even a million dollars properly spent on diet, health and wellness coaching can do wonders. Self discipline does not hurt either.

    99% of women dont have self discipline and/or money to achieve what the women cited have.

    By the way, do you know that Demi demanded spousal support from Ashton even though she had more money than him? Even the money she has is largely due to her divorce settlement with Bruce.

    Free money from a man is the sweetest thing a woman can have in her life. 😉

  720. Treasured says:

    Josh, just a question.
    I am curious.
    In what way did woman hurt you so much, that you are the way you are?

  721. Treasured says:

    “Only a minute minority of SBs on this site would honor their end of the bargain if given upfront allowance.”

    Joshy, unfortunately, I tend to agree.
    And, I find nothing wrong with prostitution. We all whore in one way or another. Would make things much easier for girls with the right intentions, if prostitution would be legalised in USA.

    But, just FYI. Not ALL girls take the cash and run. I never had an arrangement, where I was paid for play. A month in advance on my bank account was the deal. Always. Did it make me feel less like a prostitute? No, not really. Just like a damn expensive one 😀

  722. Elaine says:

    Well….if menopause has the looks of Christy Brinkley, Demi Moore, Julianne Moore, Sharon Stone, Courteny Cox, to name some…

    I think some volunteers will be found…. 😉

  723. Josh says:

    @gtt_envy

    “@Josh, definitely I am the broken one.”

    Well, wait for rehab sessions when your oh-so-perfect gf kicks your ass when she finds out the exact nature of your brokenness.

    “I disagree it’s “IRL” relationships don’t work.”

    Ask if give a shit. You’re clueless how women roll.

    “If all the SB’s on Sa.com were the same age as the SD’s the site would go belly up in a day!!”

    You’re correct for a change here. Who wants to meet menopause or post menopause women? 😉

    “It’s the youth, beauty, and newness that most guys chase!!”

    Untrue. Most men are not idiot to chase a tail of any age if they have a good woman at home. True some are idiot enough to risk a good thing at home.

    “Funny you say “Itching to lecture” you are the top lecturer at the “College of Blog” :)”

    I survived the harassment bestowed upon me by your, FlyR and a bunch of others. So get used to it. 😉

  724. Josh says:

    @Treasured

    “Ricky, congratulations with admitting you support prostitution. :)”

    What I have learned on this blog is unless an SD is willing to risk his hard-earned money on the multitude of rinsers who have signed up as SBs here, he’s a “John.”

    I don’t find anything new. Shaming men into doing what they want done is a common female trick. 😉

    The only formula that works on SA is disbursement of allowance in smaller chunks. Only a minute minority of SBs on this site would honor their end of the bargain if given upfront allowance.

  725. gtt_envy says:

    @Josh, definitely I am the broken one. I disagree it’s “IRL” relationships don’t work. Most men here just want a younger piece of tail imo. If all the SB’s on Sa.com were the same age as the SD’s the site would go belly up in a day!!

    It’s the youth, beauty, and newness that most guys chase!! Funny you say “Itching to lecture” you are the top lecturer at the “College of Blog” :)

  726. Treasured says:

    Ricky, congratulations with admitting you support prostitution. :)

  727. Ricky says:

    Let’s see ……. nearly every single sugar I’ve met on this site happily agrees to a pay-per-date arrangement (I would not do it any other way and any Daddy that would is simply an idiot). As far as the sex ……. what can I say ? It’s the only reason I am here.

  728. SunShineSD says:

    @Josh

    “@SunShineSD

    “who has a habit of building and living in reinforced concrete bunkers?”

    That too? ;)”

    It was a figure of speech, in connection with the expression “One who lives in a glass house shall not cast stone.” I do live my own life quite cautiously, making all sorts of contingency plans and safety net ahead of time.

  729. FatB'StardSD says:

    @Ava

    “All of you people are crazy psychoanalytical know it all’s who don’t know too much of anything. If you have more than three responses on this ridiculously long thread, you clearly don’t have self fulfilling life.”

    A perfect description of the blog.

  730. FatB'StardSD says:

    This is getting nasty, but I like it!

    “…the importance of fucking only potential fathers who can provide substantial support in case baby happens.”

    I think this should be taught to every young woman.