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Presidential Politics and the Sugar Lifestyle

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As the Republican nomination for President heats up, I decided it is time for me to blog about the important role the world of Sugar Daddy and Sugar Baby culture plays in presidential politics. In the “Seeking Arrangement Guide Book“, one of the cartoons depict America’s all-time favorite Sugar Baby, Marilyn Monroe on the laps of one of the most powerful Sugar Daddies of our time — President John F. Kennedy.

President John F Kennedy as Sugar Daddy

Sugar Daddy Kennedy, taken from the “Seeking Arrangement Book”

Since Sugar Daddies are often powerful and wealthy men, it is no wonder many men in politics end up being Sugar Daddies.  Sugar Daddy-ism, cuts across all lines: be it political party, religion, or race.  It most definitely does not discriminate whether a candidate is Democrat or Republican.  All political parties, be it liberals, moderates, or conservatives, are equally represented in the sugar community, and each have seen their fair share of notorious Sugar Daddies in the past few years.

Sugar Daddy-ism (noun):  1. The art, principles and practices of being a sugar daddy.   2. A lifestyle, that is based on building win-win or mutually beneficial relationships.  3. The passion for empowering others as a sponsor, benefactor or mentor.

Remember the disgraced ex-Governor Eliot Spitzer of New York whose huge appetite for beautiful women costs him his governorship?  What about Sugar Daddy Arnold, the Governator, who years ago impregnated his household employee turned Sugar Baby, Mildred Patricia ‘Patty’ Baena?  Then, there is presidential candidate Senator John Edwards, who installed his Sugar Baby and mother of his love child, Rielle Hunter, as his campaign cinematographer?  Let’s not forget President Bill Clinton’s famous would-have-been-intern Sugar Baby Monica Lewinsky.  Most recently, SeekingArrangement.com called out GOP Presidential candidate, Herman Cain, for being a Sugar Daddy, having had an affair with Ginger White, his sugar baby of the past 13 years.

It is truly unfortunate that all the examples I have given above are those of politicians behaving badly.  Sugar Daddy-ism isn’t always negative, and not all Sugar Daddies lie, cheat, start affairs, or demand sex in return for their kindness.  Perhaps, it is the media that is to blame, for its desire to sensationalize stories.  To be honest, I am tired of the media always portraying the bad and ugly of being a sugar daddy.  Instead, it is time for us to focus on the good and positives of sugar daddy-ism!

Let’s focus on some positive sugar daddy facts:  Approximately 30% of Sugar Daddy relationships do not involve sex.  Many Sugar Daddy members of SeekingArrangement.com have been known to help out one or more Sugar Babies without ever having met them in person.  A Sugar Baby who is a single mom told 20/20 in 2009 that a sugar daddy she met on SeekingArrangement.com bought her a car without expecting anything of her.  Yes, such amazing Sugar Daddies do exist!  So, why is it so hard to believe that there are wonderful sugar daddies who are philanthropists, investors, benefactors, or patrons … and they love to empower their sugar babies to succeed.

This brings me to the issue of our current presidential election.  While I am an independent voter who is agnostic to any specific political party, a single act of kindness this weekend by a certain political GOP candidate for president led me to a decision… to endorse him for the Republican candidate for President.

SeekingArrangement.com Endorses Mitt Romney for the GOP Nomination

Ruth Williams: Received $50 from Mitt Romney

On Saturday, at a Mitt Romney rally in South Carolina, Ruth Williams, a 55-year old jobless woman met Romney and told him of her financial troubles.  So, while other presidential candidate may have offered only words of consolation or encouragement, Mitt Romney took action, reaching into his own pocket and giving all the cash in his wallet to Ms. Williams.

So, while there are many qualities that would make Mitt Romney a great candidate for President: be it his experience, his reliance on logic over illogical party politics, or his amazing good looks.  It is this single act of Sugar Daddy-ism that sets him apart from all the other candidates.

In our country, where words have been spoken much louder than action.   It is time for us to show Washington that action does speak louder than words.  Because of his small but powerful act of kindness, SeekingArrangement.com is endorsing Mitt Romney as our pick for the Republican nomination.

 

How would you define the term “Sugar Daddy-ism”?

What do you think of our endorsement of Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination?

Who is your pick for President in this year’s election, and why?

Sugar Babies, what are some of the positives you have seen coming out of the sugar daddies you have met on SA?

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242 Responses to “Presidential Politics and the Sugar Lifestyle”

  1. Bella says:

    I don’t think Arnold’s lovechild gave him a bad rep- who’s gonna mess with the Terminator?? :p But on a serious note, it was definitely a good artical and the comments were even better!

  2. Emily says:

    I know there are still members interested in the topic of powerful men and their mistresses. Let’s continue the conversation.

  3. Emily says:

    I have more respect for European conservatives than I do American ones. European conservatives tend to be on the secular side while the American ones go around claiming everyone who disagrees with them will burn in Hell for all eternity. We should practice what we preach here in the U.S. and keep religion out of politics.

  4. Emily says:

    When I look at Santorum, I think of an old aunt I had. His energy isn’t very masculine; if you know what I mean. Again, it’s not unusual for that type to be very religious and conservative; at least by appearances. Some of that ilk are in denial and think they can pray “it” away, or aren’t in denial and use Christian Conservatism as a facade along with a marriage and children.

  5. DorkyGuy says:

    @Emily ~ LOL @ “pink skeletons in their closet”. I’ve never heard that before, and it’s brilliant.

  6. Emily says:

    Mitt Romney seems like the type that would have a mistress to me, and so does Perry. I don’t know if I can get away with saying this here on Seeking Arrangement, but Santorum seems like he would have an extra marital lover; yet, not the kind of one Romney and Perry would have. It’s not unusual for ostensibly conservative people to have pink skeletons in their closet. Maybe I’m able to pick up on that since I’m transgenedered.
    There’s just something sexy about a powerful, wealthy man. It’s that simple.

  7. DorkyGuy says:

    @Hannah Lytical SB, I think you are entirely misjudging Republicans.

    You should read a book by a liberal social research Arthur C. Brooks, who set out to prove that liberals were more charitable and conservatives were heartless, using imperical data. Unfortunately for him, actual facts intervened. The book reached dramatically different conclusions than he anticipated. He published the book not as a vindication of conservatism, but as a plea to liberals to start practicing what they preach.

    The book title is: “”Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism.”

    Consider these two statistics:

    — Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

    — Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

    While you may hear that Republicans are “heartless”, that is a gross misrepresentation. We simply believe that the role of social welfare belongs to private charity, and that private charity is more efficient and recipients are better served. We believe it so fervently that we open our wallets (and our veins).

    I challenge you to consider that there are other world views that are just as compassionate and just as valid as liberalism, while not creating a society of dependency.

  8. ExoticGoddess says:

    Hey there, I probably shouldn’t say this because I know how heated political debates can be, I have engaged in hundreds of them, but I myself was an activist for about 6 years. It positively consumed my life but it’s because I was really passionate about seeing this country progress. I am neither Democrat or Republican but define myself as a “pragmatic centrist in favor of Keynesian economics”. I think a lot of us get so caught up in party politics that we sometimes forget what really matters, and that’s the way forward. I believe that empathy is an inherently human trait and I also believe in making first short term goals and then building upon them with long term goals. I am not here to sway anyone’s political beliefs, in fact, just the fact you vote, even if it’s for yourself is admirable. Aung San Suu Kyi would agree. But here is where we stand as a country. Healthcare: THE US ranks the worst of 19 industrialized nations in preventive care. We can and should do better for our citizens as the US consumerism is 25% of the global market and wealth is dependent on one’s labor force according to Adam Smith. Not only that, but we pay ten times more for healthcare than they do in Japan. Yet Japan is a far healthier country. Even conservative Mike Huckabee in the republican debates in NH during the 2008 primaries said our healthcare is 85% treatment and 15% preventive, and the #1 cause of bankruptcy is an illness. I’m glad that according to the CBO, Obama’s healthcare policies will lower the deficit also by 1.3 trillion dollars. Short term investment/ long term goals. Foreign policy: I’m also happy that Obama was able to meet the 18 political benchmarks set by the GAO for Iraq and was able to do a comprehensive withdrawl, as well as the killing of terrorist Osama Bin Laden with the assistance of Pakistan since the Waziristan region for a long time was an Al Qaeda stronghold. Settling the unrest in Libya and getting rid of a man who had WMDs without US casualties is applaudable. I love our Sec of Defense Robert Gates, one of the things Pres. Bush did VERY right. I am hoping that the US can somehow resolve the outstanding issues with the IAEA in relation to Iran and North Korea’s reactor in Pyongyang but that remains to be seen. So far, so good at making sure China keeps these hot spots from completely disregarding the IAEA altogether. There is a high likelihood Iran will face a coup d’etat due to what happened in Libya and Syria, as well as the rampant poverty there of the LARGELY PROWESTERN and young population of Iran who are almost completely opposed ot Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah. The tax code: I’m not sure how most people feel about this but there were patriotic millionaires who begged the supercommittee to increase their taxes and yet there was complete inaction on the supercommittee’s part as well as Congress. Can we say “term limits?” Congress has been filibustering job creation bills, deficit reducing bills, and pretty much almost any economy related bill that goes to the floor. I encourage people to check the voting records of the Congressmen and find out if they are indeed in support of their best interests. Going green: I wrote a blog about 3 years ago about how Tata motors is developing an air compressor vehicle, about HHO known as Brown’s gas which is only water that requires an electrical charge to seperate the molecules and is a form of fuel. There is also vegetable oil for modified diesel engines, crystal synthesis which is supposed to make solar energy 2.5 times more effective than we currently use, ethanol from everything from cellulose to garbage, geothermal energy, nuclear fission (fusion is 10 years away due to lack of funding of the ITER) and of course wind farms. Solyndra was pledged money by President Bush back in 2005 and Pres Obama got in at the tail end of that deal. Katthmandu Nepal has the most electric cars in the world. I mean, can we realy not compete with KATTHMANDU NEPAL?
    The stronghold lobbyists have on Congress is indeed hindering the progress of this country, this is on the democratic and republican side. I am not at all an anarchist but definitely a believer in term limits for those who vote against the best interests of this country. My cousin is an engineer at wind farms and he is overworked due to lack of funding and tax incentives to allow expansion and hire more employees. It’s sort of like how NASA had to use recycled parts while Stiglitz (Nobel Prize winner) estimated the Iraq war to cost 5 trillion. Thankfully that wasn’t the case. The thing most Americans must look at is the budget itself. Are we spending to help the stock options of a few investors in the short term or are we funding REAL innovative ideas that will secure us as a nation in the long term? Sorry for typing so much, didn’t mean to. Cheers!

  9. john fedder says:

    I’m sorry, but no, SeekingArrangement should NOT be endorsing any candidate, or even appear to through the writings of it’s bloggers.
    Politics is something that should remain out of this sort of arena, there’s enough other things to poison a potential relationship as it is, so why not check the political baggage at the door?

  10. Briyoko says:

    yes, i will always know as you should that this site is created for the good of the people that truly understand and contribute positively to eachothers lives the right and simply healthy ways that we all deserve to be blessed with.
    Briyoko [img]ipeg[/img]

  11. Briyoko says:

    i agree with your definition of sugardaddyism..its positive and true not negative at all.
    Bri

  12. Hannah Lytical SB says:

    How would you define the term “Sugar Daddy-ism”?
    How would “Sugar Baby-ism” be defined? Should they be defined?

    What do you think of our endorsement of Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination?
    I’m neither Republican, Democrat, etc. I am more egalitarian, if I have to label it. It kind of disappoints me that this sit endorses any candidate because I was hoping it wouldn’t go political. Sort of saddens me. Him giving a woman $50 is a nice gesture and certainly did a great deal of good for his PR however I doubt that if it makes office he’ll be thinking of the needs of persons with like her. So I don’t think his gesture warranted an endorsement, as with most politicians, I think his act of kindness still had selfish motives. It gives me the “Vote for me because there is proof that I did something nice” impression.

    Who is your pick for President in this year’s election, and why?
    All I have to say is, if a Republican wins this election, I am leaving America post-haste. I prefer a candidate who is concerned more about social issues and the actual welfare of the people because the government is supposed to be governed by the people, not by non-living things such as money or corporations.

    Oh politics, now I’m all riled up…best for me not to discuss it any further.

    On the topic of showing the negative side to sugar dating, I think it’s a good thing to show both the positives and negatives. It gives a more accurate and realistic picture. If everything was all sunshiny, I’d be highly suspicious, just like if everything was going wrong it would raise a brow or two.

  13. CloseToIt says:

    I just bought a music cd of country! Yay! lol
    Makes me want a cowboy SD
    any cowboy or wannabe cowboy here?

  14. CloseToIt says:

    Wow! This blog is amazing!! I cannot read everything. With school and personal projects, I have no time. But all you guys are fun to read and makes me want to stick to the sugar bowl ( even if I don’t have the time to date at all) But eventually,… when school will be over I’ll come back. I will continu to read you in between. I smile and laugh everytime I come on this blog. Thank you

  15. NewYorkGirl says:

    ClassyM.
    Sorry to hear about your pipes and the weather troubles. :(

  16. VaGentleman Boss Man & New York Girl – Wow *blushing* Thank you for the compliment. You started my day with a smile :)

    Time to get sullied!

    xoxo

  17. Classy.Milf says:

    hi bloggers … sorry but the whole political thing made me ill so I chose to abstain…

    In -39 weather a pipe burst in the building and I spent most of the day with no heat. Now that I am warm and the blog has lightened up I just wanted to say

    HELLOO * waves hands and blows icy kisses*

  18. NewYorkGirl says:

    Sarah u r super, so beau full and skinny, 34 D. :) and you love to please a man. I derive my please from pleasing my man too. I hope you find your man soon and will be even more happier.

    I see you really DID quote my quote :))

    Enjoy and good luck.

  19. NewYorkGirl says:

    Omg
    I have to go and look up Sarah profile :)
    Running running
    How can you compare if you have nor seen my pictures have you?

    Sorry sorry but on my profile the picture is NOT mine:)
    I e mail my real pictures to pots e mail after we chat and i see he is a normal guy.

  20. NewYorkGirl says:

    To Sir Lancelot

    One of my fav is
    “be yourself everyone else is taken” OW

  21. Va Gentleman says:

    @ NY Girl –low or high maintainence –I will treat you to both My favorite Oscar Wilde quote is — “everything has it’s beauty , but not everyone sees it ” Or was it Confucius lol

    @Sarah Sweetheart –I reviewed your profile and —-what can I say ? –WOW ! I feel a little unfaithful to my blog GF NY Girl ,but you are a knockout !

    @DaddyGT That profile typifies the clueless ,self indulged teenager . I don’t know who would ever contact her –perhaps a total masochist or a pedophile .

    RE : celibacy ? No can do More power to you my friend .

  22. One-Eyed King says:

    Interesting blog! If the girl who posted the profile that Daddy quoted from had the way with words that StormCat posted from, her profile would simply say that she was “Indolent”. AND it would add a hint of classiness to her “laziness”.

  23. Dutch Girl says:

    @DaddyGT Thank you for sharing and for being so honest. If you’re in Cape Town, please wave to the penguins for me, I love visiting them.

  24. NewYorkGirl says:

    DorkyGuy. Nice quote. Thanks .
    U r 39 y old, how come you toasted at your daughter wedding?
    U were 18 y old, and got a child right away?

  25. jen says:

    Is anyone elese having issues with the phone call feature?or am I just the Lucky one? It wont seem to accept any of the verification texts I’m sending…

  26. DaddyGT says:

    @NewYorkGirl

    Getting here has really not been a sisyphean effort. Not at all! It just happened.

    It is amazing how quickly sex gets shuttled to the back of your mind when you have other pressing things going on. And when you are busy with work. For a while, I was working 20 hour days on the business. Sleeping odd hours. Sex was definitely not on my mind.

    I can understand now how some couples grappling with the hardships that life throws them, find that they have not had a sex life for months or years. Even when they live together. Now I get *that* bit. You don’t even realise it is happening, till one day you are watching some movie on TV with a sex scene, and realise, “God, it has been a year and a half already!”. Luckily, this is something I have discovered, realised, and appreciated as a single man. I hope it prepares me better in the future with any woman, or women I end up with.

    @Arcadia SB
    Awww. Thank you. As I was saying to my sister the other week, “I strongly recommend that everyone take a gap year or sabbatical every decade or so!”. It has been one of the best things I have done. That said, as a single man with no kids, and no ties, it was much easier for me to just walk away from very very well paid job, with no concrete plan for the future. Much more difficult to do if you have familial responsibilities, and private schools to pay for though.

  27. DorkyGuy says:

    @NewYorkGirl, my favorite Oscar Wilde quote, which I quoted in my toast at my daughter’s wedding:

    women are made to be loved…. Not understood. ~ Oscar Wilde

    @DaddyGT, the CSS for the blockquote tag is being injected by the addon. Supports either the cite attribute or a child tag for listing the author.

  28. DaddyGT says:

    @Jen
    re: Politicians I would not mind having as a SB? Off the top of my head …

    Yulia Tymoshenko :: Ex President of the Ukraine. Well aged. Definitely a MILF. Hope she’s aging well in prison though.
    Helle Thorning-Schmidt:: Current Danish Prime Minister. Well put together, a really nice smile, and lovely eyes.
    Christine Lagarde:: Ex-French Finance Minister, and now President of the IMF. She is not a classic beauty by any stretch, but she is very chic. There is something captivating about her.

    I think I’d have to pass on Julia Gillard, the Aussie Prime Minister; Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, and Dilma Rousseff, the Brazillian President, though. Hope this post does not get me into any trouble with the authorities. :-)

  29. Arcadia SB says:

    I would say I hope Midwest and Guru escape the spa…but I don’t think they want to 😉 Can I please be abducted too?

    @DaddyGT – I just have to say I’m impressed with your will power. Not because of the sex thing, but more because you decided to do something and stuck with it. I think little (or big) trials of ourselves like this can show a lot about ourselves or just free up our mind/body to worry about and work on other things. Way to go!

  30. NewYorkGirl says:

    DaddyGT.
    U r a Sisyphus , a hero.

    If everybody telling the truth here…
    In 2011 (till the middle of November when I signed up for SA) I had sex 2 times. It is sad I know.
    Same in 2010.
    I actually agree with Sarahsweetheart. ! The site helps to find a nice man. (and money is handy too).

  31. NC Gent says:

    SarahSweetheart — I am indeed a “boss” but I also like it when a woman can be the boss :)

    Your profile and you look great — I had actually read it previously – only suggestion I had is to break your description into a few paragraphs. After reading your profile before, I came to the conclusion that you could find someone pretty close to your own backyard.

    p.s. small real boobies rawk!

  32. Stormcat says:

    Wow Sarah, You’re even more lovely. I just resent you the message that I intended!

  33. DaddyGT says:

    @Dutch Girl

    Do you mind me asking if you don’t find it difficult to be celibate for almost 3 years?

    Three years of celibacy is not that hard. Actually two and a half years so far! Only a few more months to go :-)

    It started when I left London. Had ended my last SB relationship a couple of months earlier, and then I broke up with my IRL girlfriend too. A lot of things were going on in my life, not all good, and I felt I needed a total reboot.

    Decided to take some time off to figure myself out. Then decided to go into business for myself (again!). At some point, I decided to really make a go at the business (doing very very well so far), and so totally focused on that. It did not help that I was still on the road quite a bit at the time (business is online venture), so did not get sullied. (That word is growning on me)

    Then I ended up in South Africa. My sister lives here and has a huge house, so I stayed :-). Working from home 99% of the time, and a general wariness for anything sex related in South Africa meant celibacy continued. Eventually, I thought, “keep focused on the business, get to 3 years celibacy, and you’ll appreciate it all the more when you are back in the game”.

    So, here I am. Fully intend to hit those 3 years, in part because of above, and in part because now I just want to prove to myself that I can do it.

    Funny thing is I did not start out with that in mind. And amazingly, sex was never on my mind, even when I set of on this road, I suppose in part because I knew I could get it whenever I wanted. I think being busy with the business, and working largely from home with no temptations helps a lot. Heh! :-)

  34. Stormcat says:

    SS ~ 760455! Oh no! (panic panic) I just wrote profile 766239 a really flirtatious message thinking it was you!

  35. jen says:

    Hmm. This blog brings up an interesting thought. If you were to choose a politician as a SD, who would it be? And why?

  36. NewYorkGirl says:

    To Guru.
    Do not worry, I will not say no one. (yes, blame it on Stormcat. )

  37. Stormcat – 760455

    Everyone else – take a look, rip it up, I welcome the criticism.

  38. NewYorkGirl says:

    So Guru is MW captor? Or MW is Guru’s captor?

  39. OH NO! Someone actually wrote this in their profile. Unbelievable. This has to be a joke.

    I completely disagree with her. I LOVE being told what to do, especially by a man. So very sexy!

  40. Dutch Girl says:

    @DaddyGT That must be one of the most unsexy profiles ever. It screams ME, ME, ME! Do you mind me asking if you don’t find it difficult to be celibate for almost 3 years?

  41. DaddyGT- You express yourself well. I agree, boobs and a pretty face are in abundance. My profile already says what you describe about chemistry, and I expect nothing until we determine if we like one another. I don’t ever ask for a thing! If we meet and they don’t offer, clearly they don’t see value in my company…”NEXT”

    DaddyGT, you’re a Boss.

    xoxo

  42. DaddyGT says:

    Wooot!! Looks like they did fix the blockquote tag in the CSS. Yeah!

    @The Blog Gods, if this is inappropriate, please feel free to delete.

    Here’s an example of what I call a bad profile, and one from a SB I think has entitlement issues. She is 19 years old no less too.

    This is what she writes about herself

    I choose to not work because I will not be told what to do, i have worked in the past and found a normal job just isnt for me & being someones skivvy – couldn’t think of anything worse!!

    Used to work in the adult industry – absolutely hated it , made my money and left.

    I love presents, cash and cars and if you are looking for a girl to give and share these things to…look no further!

    And this is how she describes her ideal SD

    Shopping trips are compulsory and transfers into my bank are compulsory.

    My sugar daddy will pay for my hair, nails, car, gym membership….. I’m a gym girl, you have to keep me looking hot!!

    The best arrangement I can imagine is if my sugar daddy can give me a personal card for their account or have an account for me.

    Now please SBs, help me here. Am I wrong in saying that this profile is totally unsexy, and totally unappealing to any SD other than a John who will see the ‘used to work in the adult industry’, and take that as a cue to make a ‘pay4play’ play on her.

  43. Stormcat says:

    SD Guru ~ Cold Shower? Did you escape your captors? Or is it that you are spending to much time hiding with MW at the spa?

    • SD Guru says:

      @Stormcat

      When someone uses the word naughty 3 times, tongue tied twice, and being sullied again and again in a paragraph… it’s time for a cold shower!! 😛

      @DaddyGT

      I don’t find that profile shocking. That type of attitude is prevalent among certain age groups and locations.

      @NYGirl

      You’ll have to ask Stormcat. He’s the one writing the conspiracy theory/movie script!

  44. Emily – If you don’t want it on the front page of the news, don’t (1) Do it in the first place, (2) If you do it, don’t EVER tell anyone and certainly don’t post it on the web. Also, Emily, if you are a female (perhaps a young female new to SB dating?) YOU HAVE A NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS ON A PUBLIC RECORD SEARCH under some circumstances. Especially if that person you are dating has YOUR name or your real phone number. With only your first name and some seemingly innocuous questions, they can find out almost everything about you…including where you live!

    Stormcat – I think my URL is Seven Six Six Two Three Nine.

  45. DaddyGT says:

    @SarahSweetheart

    Does your SB have boobs? Is she Hot? Is she good in the sack? Half a brain? You give her no money? Just wondering. If you answered Yes to all of those questions, it begs the next question: Where did you find such a Good Deal? Daddy is a thrifty little shopper isn’t he?

    Hahaha. I don’t currently have a SB unfortunately. Actually, since @PhoneGuy started the confessionals, I too have not been ‘sullied’ in a while. End of May 2012, will mark 3 years of celibacy :-). Then I’ll be back in the game. June, here I come!!

    I have no issues with SBs and boobs. I like boobs. I prefer them small though. B cups win my heart over DDs any day of the week. I am unashamedly shallow too. I love hot women. Excellence in the sack is a team effort, but well appreciated too! And boy, there is no better foreplay than an interesting and intelligent conversation. I always try to be generous with the sugar too. That is a given.

    The fact though, is that sugar dating is generally stacked in favour of the SDs. There generally are more pot SBs than (genuine) pot SDs though. That is just the way it is. Especially around the £3k+ allowance mark. There are not that many of those around. A girl with standards is great. A girl with standards so high that she rules out half the male population, (nevermind the very limited genuine SD population), before they even start having a conversation with her, is worrying.

    Now, a long list of requirements from a SB, is generally a sign of unrealistic expectations. In my experience too, this is usually accompanied by a sense of entitlement that does not usually come with any thought of what the SB is bringing to the table. I have met a few pot SBs like that. As Guru has reiterated, “What are you bringing to the table?” No, having boobs and a pretty face is not enough!!

    Here’s a tip. Instead of a long list of things you want, emphasize instead that you will only consider sugar dating a SD that you have chemistry with. That already says you are selective, without scaring off all the pot SDs who might have considered you. As a woman, stuff that might work on a traditional dating site probably won’t work here. YMMV

    been to Monaco, flown First Class several times, shopping: I can take it or leave it, but “princess”…eeeew…what an awful nickname. Also, I have Boobs (really nice soft ones), and Im 115 lbs, my nose is pretty like the rest of my face, by your definition my body is ‘unsullied’. I could care less what “Verbose Girl” lists as her preferences. We all have the privilege to seek out our own self interest.

    I probably should reiterate this. I don’t fault her for having preferences. Not at all. That said,
    * Sugar dating is stacked in the SDs favour. Don’t scare potential SDs off before they even make contact
    * In my experience, unrealistic expectations usually come with a sense of entitlement that is so not sexy, however hot your boobs might be.
    There is nothing wrong with flying first class. Nothing wrong with holidaying in Monaco. Huge gulf between preference for fine things in life, and demanding fine things in life from a SD before you even prove your, *ahem*, worth. A great SB has standards, knows what she wants, and will play the long game with a SD, largely by demonstrating value. And once again, great boobs and a pretty face are not enough.

    Reminds me of fun times in my youth, straight out of varsity. You meet a girl in a bar, or pub. She is drinking halfs (for the non Brits … half a pint of lager). The minute you offer to buy her a drink, she orders a triple vodka with red bull. And one for her friend too! So not sexy.

  46. Stormcat says:

    Sarah Sweetheart (SS) the url is the address of a web page. It starts with http or ftp and you can see it at the top of the brouser. Here on the blog, If a blogger wants to allow other bloggers to see their profile or go to their web page, then they simply paste the url of their profile copied from their brouser with their profile window up. I don’t know if that explains it very well. I wanted to see your profile so I clicked on your name but I just get an error message.
    Another way to allow us to see your profile is to give us your profile number. I for one would like to look.

  47. Stormcat says:

    Emily ~ Is it that you are saying thatin order to protect personal freedoms, such as freedom of speech, the most open commication process in the world should be limited by passing laws that reduce access to information on public forums. Doesn’t that seem contra to your desires.

  48. Stormcat – While I find Dork Talk incredibly sexy, I’m not sure what a complete URL is. if you teach me I will do it.

  49. Emily says:

    There should be laws against being able to find out more than you really need to know about someone through public record searches. We abuse our so-called freedoms in this country. It supposedly becomes a violation of your rights as an American citizen if you can’t dig up dirt you don’t need to know about other people through the use of social media or through what we call “freedom of press”.

  50. MidwestSB – Are you a SB…or a SD? Just curious :) I like what you have to say. You sound like someone I would be friends with.

  51. Stormcat says:

    Sarah ~ Great Posts; I hope you stick around!
    AM is the handle of a long time blogger AnnaMolly aka NaughtyMolly
    When I click on your name it doesn’t go to your web link. Are you sure you have a complete url?

  52. Thank You, Queen Guinevere. “I have simple taste. I am always satisfied with the best.”

    “I have simple taste” is now my new summary.

    xoxo

  53. NC Gent – You sound like a “Boss.” (Thats a compliment.)

    VAGent – I think you’re a Boss, too.

    DaddyGT- Does your SB have boobs? Is she Hot? Is she good in the sack? Half a brain? You give her no money? Just wondering. If you answered Yes to all of those questions, it begs the next question: Where did you find such a Good Deal? Daddy is a thrifty little shopper isn’t he?BTW am SO NAUGHTY by your terms. Meaning that I don’t have a Facebook account, I can pass a drug test seamlessly, been to Monaco, flown First Class several times, shopping: I can take it or leave it, but “princess”…eeeew…what an awful nickname. Also, I have Boobs (really nice soft ones), and Im 115 lbs, my nose is pretty like the rest of my face, by your definition my body is ‘unsullied’. I could care less what “Verbose Girl” lists as her preferences. We all have the privilege to seek out our own self interest. Sounds like Verbose Girl is looking for a Boss! Oh, DaddyGT, I’m SO naughty, I like to run all over the field waving a red flag and leave my tracks. Then I go home and shower because now I’m sullied – only to hop right back into bed and get Sullied again! Mmmmmm. I do agree with you that I would get a little tongue tied keeping up with Verbose Girl. I’d rather just get literally tongue tied. Oh, I’m SO naughty, DaddyGT…lol

    Stormcat – You don’t have confidence?! Please don’t ever talk about yourself like that. Also, I think I read somewhere in a post that you were on the receiving side of infidelity and the B didn’t apologize, is that right? I think you should scoop up a saucy little SB and get sullied. How vindicating that would be. Have fun! Living well is the best revenge.

    Toni – “One min SDs claim they want a smart cookie, next min they want one who lives her life by a Kardashian rulebook.” Yes, that’s right. And that is exactly the point at which a good SB knows how to “switch” and be whatever her SD wants her to be. I have no idea what “AM” is. What is AM?

    Forgive me for making it my life mission to please a Man. I find it completely gratifying.

  54. Stormcat says:

    I’m wondering whether anyone has heard from Midwest. She seems to have disappeared.
    Hold on: new information coming in
    Oh never mind It is just says that Tasmanian Rock singers have infiltrated the London Underground Music Scene and are posing as Indy Pop Singers and convincing the groups to start doing more dark cabaret.

    Toni ~ Probably shouldn’t have posted it. But since I did, shall I e-mail her and ask her to come onto the blog so we can all get to know her?

  55. Queen Guinevere says:

    Queen Guinevere to Sir Lancelot

    I have simple taste. I am always satisfied with the best.

  56. NewYorkGirl says:

    To VA gent.
    Guess what…I have never been to Waldorf. :)
    (I used to live in West coast , so there are lot of things in NYC I have never been ).

    why do u think I like everything super fancy? (Waldorf, Henry W).
    I am a simple girl.

    I have sample taste …. (c) :)
    and it is my favorite EVER quote of Oscar Wilde.

  57. DorkyGuy says:

    @Toni, lol, I was scratching my head trying to figure out what SB you were talking about. Had me wondering for a bit.

    @Emily, no, I haven’t tried it. I don’t really feel compelled to keep my identity secret from a pot, so I’m not sure how much benefit it would bring to me.

  58. Emily says:

    I guess I’m being ignored here, but I’m still attepting to take part in the discussion. Has anyone tried this new call feature through Seeking Arrangement? Someone sent me his number a few weeks ago, and I just didn’t feel comfortable telephoning someone that quickly.

  59. Toni says:

    lol why did i mention Dorky. That should have been StormCat. sorry

    anyway I dont understand why there’s a SB group on facebook..what happened to keeping these things to yourself..bad enough with the shows about it as well..am I the only one bothered by the exposure? :/

  60. Toni says:

    EnglishRose..how is it different from the ones asking for “must be between 115-118lb”..not one 1lb over, no birthmarks, not a strand of pubic hair, nose must look like this, must be on call 24/7 blah blah..preferences right?

    Obviously not arguing, I just dont see the problem with her own preferences, and frankly find it rude for people to sit and laugh over a person’s profile implying that they’re delusional. Maybe cos most of the SBs i follow are using sugar for advanced degrees so profiles like that dont surprise me.

    That person would be better off on AM as opposed to here though.

  61. Toni says:

    Dorky..Im pretty sure I know the SB with that profile or something like that..she’s studying for her phD and her daddy is paying her tuition. she’s very worldy..they go to exhibits/symphonies etc. That person’s profile sounds like the type who wants to use her money for good use and not shoes and the like. Im sure she’ll find someone who is attracted to that and those ones are usually very wealthy.

    Those who are afraid of such most likely cant afford to be her SDs cos obvioiuslsy she’s smart and knows the finer things in life. LOL

    One min SDs claim they want a smart cookie, next min they want one who lives her life by a Kardashian rulebook.

    anyway I need more SBs to share some tips for freestyling SD hunts. where’s Honey? I havent seen her in a while.

  62. DorkyGuy says:

    That’s exactly what a reporter would notice!

  63. ContentSB says:

    So many conspiracy theories floating around this blog….hmmm….

  64. DorkyGuy says:

    I agree that it is likely that an E! reporter would pose as an SB, and gain her information by infiltration. How might we be able to identify that SB? hmm… I bet she could cite statistics on the demographics of media/social networking sites!

  65. ContentSB says:

    Lol…I was kidding and know it’s not really her…I just found it interesting to see it used twice recently, when admittedly I had never heard it before.

  66. Stormcat says:

    I first heard it used on an episode of MASH years ago. It is uncommon but the use recently in the profile and article, while intrigueing is most likely coincidental. A clue purhaps, but not a positive ID. Continue investigating, and while your at it see if you can’t locate Midwest.

  67. NC Gent says:

    It is indeed legal (we checked with our lawyer on retainer) and it is also widely practiced. As an aside, I was recently watching the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader Tryout series on television and they dismissed one of the finalist for things they saw on her facebook page. The Cowboy organization is far bigger than us. I respect that you wouldn’t want to work here, but the employees here appreciate that we screen so carefully.

  68. Dutch Girl says:

    @EnglishRose Every year, a couple of tourists get killed by the trams in Amsterdam, I am not sure what the bicycle casualty rate is. I can imagine it looks kind of scary if you’re not familar with the bike paths, like a sort of assault course!

  69. DorkyGuy says:

    @VA Gent ~ LOL! I knew you’d take it in good stride. Love a guy with a healthy sense of humor.

  70. DorkyGuy says:

    @PhoneGuy… I suspect that not only is it legal, but it is probably widely practiced.

    If gaining information by deception were illegal, private investigators would be out of work, and the producers of “To Catch a Predator” would find themselves in jail. The only scenario I can think of where it might be forbidden is if a union has negotiated an end of the practice in a contract.

    Certain things are illegal (like hacking their account), but if they invite you in the front door, that’s fair game.

  71. Va Gentleman says:

    Good morning everyone ! @ V.A.G.I.N.A. here ( just glad he didn’t call himself “VA Gent is Needing Arrangement” ) I like it ! I think I will change my SA i.d. so everyone can readily find me Thank you Dorky

    @Guru ” Don’t worry, he’s probably been called worse.” ( ” For a suppose SD you act like a prick.” ) Well ,that is a sure thing lol !

    @NY Girl — “get a room —” Waldorf OK ?

  72. ContentSB says:

    @Stormcat — I figured out who that extremely verbose SB is. She’s a writer for E News….the word “jocularly” was used in a recent story today. It MUST be her 😉

  73. PhoneGuy says:

    @NC Gent, is creating fake accounts to trick prospective employees even legal?
    I think small companies would be the only ones to try something like this. Either they care enough or don’t have so many applicants so that this is feasible or they don’t have an HR department that would forbid it. 😉

    Regardless, not somewhere I would want to work…

  74. ContentSB says:

    @Stormcat — A cold -14F here, so I feel your pain! This winter has been SO mild, so I can’t complain…but my bed felt extra cozy this morning and it took A LOT of motivation to leave it to face the cold!

    @NC Gent — I’m not surprised. Whenever I get a spam friend request with a girl barely clothed, the majority of “her” “friends” are male :p

    @DorkyGuy — Are you trying to gain brownie points with all the women here? Because if you are, it’s probably working lol :)

  75. DorkyGuy says:

    “ContentSB – one last thing… we have found that females are far less likely than males to accept a friend request from a random hot person. Males tend to be much weaker or maybe women are just smarter” ~ NC Gent

    Women are smarter… no question in my mind!

  76. DorkyGuy says:

    @DaddyGT, feature request noted… I will see what’s involved. Unfortunately, I don’t have access to the backend, so I am unable to set up an ajax listener. Without that access, all I can do is manipulate screen scrapes, which is considerably more complicated and limits the features I can add. Should be able to do that one though.

    @NC Gent, the RSS feed for comments appears to be updated only once an hour. If they changed it to be updated once a minute (which is perfectly reasonable given the low volume this site does), then I could make the “Check for New Comments” button lightning fast. But again, it’ll take someone with actual access to the backend to help with that.

  77. NC Gent says:

    ContentSB – one last thing… we have found that females are far less likely than males to accept a friend request from a random hot person. Males tend to be much weaker or maybe women are just smarter :)

  78. NC Gent says:

    DaddyGT – try the RSS feed to do that.

    DorkyGuy — thanks for thinking of me buddy — you are the best :)

  79. Stormcat says:

    Perhaps the blog is actually a Becket play.

    Well crawled out of bed this morning to -16 F. I think I’m in need of a whole haram of SBs just to keep this place hot! 8)

  80. DaddyGT says:

    @DorkyGuy
    The only feature request I would have for v1.0 of the GreaseMonkey script, is a way to post new comments, and update via ajax without refreshing the entire page.

  81. NC Gent says:

    DaddyGT — not making hiring decisions based upon that alone, just using all the information available. We have extremely low turnover. Federal law MANDATES us to drug screen some of our employees, and they do audits. We also have contractual obligations to randomly drug screen a fraction of our employees. If someone says they are a non-smoker (on their employment and health insurance application), and there are several recent pictures of them with a cigarette in their hand, so much for honesty. If you are going to be performing a job that requires drug screening, and there is a picture of you hitting a bong, well you may be the best employee in the world, but I am going to consider another candidate. If other companies choose not to use all information available to them, that is their right. We have always been profitable, even in the recession.

    I did many things in college that I didn’t want potential employers to know about. The difference was that only a close group of friends knew about it, and I didn’t post pictures or blog about it so that 650 people, some of them random “friends”, could know about it. My point was to Content SB that just because you know about privacy and make your profile private, it doesn’t mean an employer won’t find out about it. As I said, I know what we do may not be popular, but I wasn’t looking for approval.

    ContentSB — you are right they are idiots for accepting random friends, and that should be sufficient screen in itself.

    NYGirl — I prefer not to post on a public blog the company (and its sector) that I own :)

  82. DorkyGuy says:

    Minor addon update last night. The update includes changes to accommodate the new CallMe feature in profile previews. Also miscellaneous bug fixes. I thought of implementing NC Gent’s “ignore” feature, but just didn’t have time :)

  83. DaddyGT says:

    The pendulum is swinging the other way though. A time will come soon, where a lack of public profile, with your naughties, will be more of a red flag than a profile with.

    Take varsity. Everyone who has been to varsity knows that it is one giant party. Doesn’t matter what school you went to. It really is more a question of whether you were ever arrested, rather than whether you ever did anything illegal.

    There was a time when politicians had to be squeeky clean. Then it was OK to admit that they smoked, but did not inhale. Now, Obama and Cameron are on record as saying they have smoked pot. Times change.

    And if your company is making hiring decisions based on whether anyone has a profile with pictures of them downing a keg at a frat party or not, you have far bigger problems. It’s like mandatory drug testing. If you need to test your employees for drugs to determine whether they are productive or not, you have already lost. The number of professions where this might be necessary is so miniscule that it is not even a rounding error. Plus, on any given Monday, more than half the staff in the City or Wall Street would fail that test anyway.

    My facebook profile is totally open. Warts and all. I am totally aware that everything I post online (even in private profiles), just might as well be on the front page of the Times. So, I get obscurity by drowning out any signal with noise. I join the most outrageous groups. I post all the photos I can. In short, by having a very visible, very random, and very public persona, I can actually have some real privacy.

    The less you can find out about someone when you google them, the more significant what little you find is. And given that you will never be able to fully cover your tracks, stop trying to leave no tracks, but cover an entire field with them.

    For example, I have over 150 female friends on facebook. Some are just passing acquintances, others friends, othes ex GFs, and ex SBs too. Not to mention my extended family. I am in several hundred photos with women on there too. By extension, a woman posting a photo of me with her is nothing to write home about. You cannot conclude anything from that one photo. Plus, it helps that I have not changed in appearance much in a decade, so you can’t even date a photo just by looking at it. If on the other hand, I tried to be obscure or private, a photo posted of me and a woman would definitely mean something.

    I sign up for events left, right and centre. Trying to figure out where I’ll be based on the events I have signed up to on facebook though, is going to lead to disappointment. I could go on, but the short version is that to try and go through my profiles to figure out the signal from the noise, is going to be a futile exercise.

    As always, YMMV.

  84. ContentSB says:

    @NC Gent — Anyone who accepts a friend request, with no mutual friends or some sort of recognition, is an idiot. That really brings me back to the sleaziness of Myspace :p I have no problem with potential employers digging, however what some consider incriminating is fairly ridiculous. Regardless, those who are seriously searching will abide by the most conservative rule of thumb.

  85. NewYorkGirl says:

    Welcome Sarahsweeheart. Thank you for your post.

    NC gent. what company do u work for at your NC. u r screening people like for a government job.
    Is it a bank u r working for?

  86. NC Gent says:

    Chiming in on the social media debate…. as I said, before we offer someone a job, we do google searches. I know I am just one data point, but we have never found incriminating information on someone aged 30+ on social networking sites. For those 29 and under, it is about a 50:50 shot.

    ContentSB — just because the social networker makes their profile private, doesn’t mean an employer won’t find it. All we have to do is make up a profile of a hot male/female and then make a friend request, and everything is open. I know some may not approve of this, but as an employer who is responsible for the livelihood of multiple families, I am going to use all the resources and tactics that are available to me. Making a bad employment decision in a relatively small company can be devastating financially and to the morale of other hardworking, committed employees. So just because Gen Y is more aware of privacy, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t letting employers see everything.

  87. SugarKitty says:

    I am coming to the realization that there may not be many people in my area that I “click” with. Looking at profiles all the ones that interest me are no where near here. Lucky me I am graduating soon so I can move to a “better” place. Warmer weather would be wonderful right now as where I am is under a “cold weather advisory” which translates into is flipping cold out and frostbite can and will happen fast if you are not careful.

  88. SugarKitty says:

    From my reading of the call feature informational page I think that it can be charged to the SD no matter who makes the call it just depends on how you originate the call.
    So if the SB wants to call her pot she would text CALLMEPotProfileNumber and he gets charged. If the SD wants to call pot he would text ICALLUPotProfileNumber and he still gets charged for the call.
    I don’t think there are any charges for the person that receives the call.

  89. Well Hello! I’ve been on SA for months and just now stumbled upon this blog service after a friend mentioned its existence during a recent dinner. Thank you, Friend! Very interesting thread…

    Q: How would you define the term “Sugar Daddy-ism”?

    A: 3. The passion for empowering others as a sponsor, benefactor or mentor. This passion is usually employed by a Man of superiority.

    Q: Sugar Babies, what are some of the positives you have seen coming out of the sugar daddies you have met on SA?

    A: So many positives (both qualitatively and quantitatively) that it has caused me to do some serious thinking about my prior relationships and ‘raise the bar’ significantly!

    I have been so very lucky with my experiences with men on this site. In nine months I have met four men who have changed my life in a very positive way. There are the very obvious financial benefits of being a SB. Money is useful, and good to save if you can. More importantly, it’s the mentoring, lessons, and sound advice that I will carry For The Rest Of My Life!

    MOST importantly, SA gave me the chance to actually date. (Listen guys, I had no problem finding a date. I am young, smart, and attractive.) I must say that my circumstances are a little different than the typical SB. I was (and am) financially successful starting from an atypically young age. At age 18 I was completely independent from my parents (by choice!) and working full-time. By age 22 I had completed two undergraduate programs, had no debt, and went straight into a successful career path. It was the success in my career that was actually keeping me from dating! I worked A LOT and I made(make) A LOT of money. So much so that I didn’t see much value in the risk of dating to sacrifice my income. The functionality of this website gave me a chance to do something I love: Men.

    I’m just a normal, sane young woman who likes to let loose and get “sullied.” Thank you, SA, for making this possible.

    As for the statistic stating that “approximately 30% of sugar daddy relationships do not involve sex” … Ruling out impotence, I am seriously puzzled by this. Only 1% of the population is asexual, right? Are there really people in these relationships who don’t want ‘it’?

    On another note … I see a few guys on this blog. You sound hot! I like it!

    xoxo

  90. DorkyGuy says:

    For SBs, ouch… It seems like there should be an option for the SD to pay for both sides of the call.

  91. ContentSB says:

    I saw the call service and was wondering what that was all about. It says it’s $.99/minute…so using google makes more sense because that’s free and still anonymous.

  92. DorkyGuy says:

    I suppose quoting Hanna-Barberra while you guys are quoting statistical studies doesn’t make the best case for my generation’s intelligence 😉 But, it’s late, and I’m saving what little brainpower for work.

    Speaking of… is everyone seeing the new links for the SeekingArrangment telephone call service in the profiles? Or is it just Diamond or Paid members?

  93. DorkyGuy says:

    Yogi Bear! “hey hey, Booboo, I’m … smarter than the average bear!”

  94. ContentSB says:

    I guess I am a bit feisty and on edge tonight….back away slowly lol :)

  95. DorkyGuy says:

    Lol so serious! The least you could have done is roundhouse kick me with parachute pants and “Hip to be Square”, then follow up with a good pro-00’s uppercut. You must be tired tonight!

  96. ContentSB says:

    @DG — c’mon haha. Isn’t it every older generation’s job to think the new and upcoming generation is hopeless, stupid, entitled, etc? I’m soooo beyond tired of the stereotypes. I hope you remember what it was like to be in your twenties and have older generations continually tell you that they were better. God forbid we learn from each other 😉

    I think you were being slightly sarcastic…but the whole “Gen Y sucks” thing just gets old :p.

  97. ContentSB says:

    @Guru — I think those stories tend to be the exception but are of course talked about more because there’s a bigger entertainment value to them.

    As far as who has been signing up for FB most recently…social media’s biggest and fastest growing demographic is middle-aged women (or at least it was a year ago when I was in my PR/SM classes…demographics may have changed since then). I’m 22, and in 2006 those in my age range largely made the switch from myspace to FB. The newest users are those surrounding Gen Y. It’s not just tweens/teens who are signing up…it’s middle age+ too.

    • SD Guru says:

      @ContentSB

      According to the latest FB demographics I’ve seen, globally almost 3/4 of its users are age 13-34. While middle aged women may have had the fatest growth rate at one point, the total numbers just aren’t as large. I agree FB isn’t limited to just young people and I don’t dispute the studies you’ve seen, but there is more than one way to interpret the data!

      @DorkyGuy

      I don’t know which generation you belong to, but I don’t recall cone bras in my days… did I miss something?? And being smarter than the average bear means… what? :mrgreen:

  98. DorkyGuy says:

    @ContentSB and SDGuru Personally, I think (as a group), Gen Y may be more tech savy, but they’re also quite a bit dumber. My generation may have had the cone bra, but at least we were smart enough to wear a belt and hold up our pants. And what’s with the music? The 2000’s truly was a lost decade. No offense intended to our SBs here, who tend to be smarter than the average bear.

  99. DorkyGuy says:

    “I found a SB profile from one of the UK babies that has one of the best profile text’s I’ve ever seen

    Let’s see it!” ~ SD Guru

    I passed it to Midwest, maybe she’ll pass it along… Someone suggested it’s a spoof. Probably, but I love it.

  100. SugarKitty says:

    Ah the blog I have come to know and love it back. I did appreciate reading the views of the people here though. It was quite educational for me and made me realize a little more about myself and why I considered sugar in the first place.

    RE: googling oneself.
    The fourth result for my full name is an “adult” star. It used to be the first result, took some work on my part to get an online presence that when googled would top that one.

    Dorky ~ Love the one liner there.

  101. ContentSB says:

    @Guru — RE: Facebook Generation. I have to disagree with that point. In one of my marketing social media focused classes, we read study after study that shows Gen Y is actually more aware of their online presences, whereas older generations are not. Gen Y tends to take greater note of their privacy settings, pictures, commentary, and also google themselves more frequently. Those undergoing the job search especially know EXACTLY what a potential employer will find when they google all forms of their name, email, phone number. Older generations, as a generalized whole, just aren’t aware of privacy settings.

    • SD Guru says:

      @ContentSB
      In one of my marketing social media focused classes, we read study after study that shows Gen Y is actually more aware of their online presences…

      That’s an interesting point. I agree the older generation in general are not as computer savvy, but they’re also not online as much. The Gen Y’s who are entering the professional workforce are becoming more aware that potential employers are looking them up online. But you still see plenty of media stories about Gen Y’s who incriminate themselves through their online presence. As for the rest of Gen Y and those that come after them, sharing everything with everyone is part of the culture and it’s encouraged and enabled by social media sites. Keep in mind FB only started in ’04 and it wasn’t open to the general public until ’06. More than half of its 800M users only joined in the past 2 years. Most of those new users are younger and prone to over exposing themselves online without knowing it. Maybe that can be the topic for another study! :)

  102. DorkyGuy says:

    @Holly ~ He would have, but he wasn’t abel!

  103. Holly says:

    Cain should have had me be his sugar baby. I know how to keep a secret. :)

    • SD Guru says:

      Now that the blog has settled down, I’ll try to catch up from this morning…

      @DorkyGuy
      Amen and hallelujah! Now who’s preaching, Reverend Guru?

      The only preaching I’ve been known to do is about NSA. But it’s still up to each person to make their own choices and live with the consequences of their decisions! :)

      just glad he didn’t call himself “VA Gent is Needing Arrangement”

      Don’t worry, he’s probably been called worse. 😉

      I found a SB profile from one of the UK babies that has one of the best profile text’s I’ve ever seen

      Let’s see it!

      @Stormcat
      I was even thinking about posting a conspiracy theory…

      Your conspiracy theory reads like a movie script in the making!! Who would you get to play Midwest SB? 😛

      @Va Gent & NY Girl
      To VA gent. “I want to continue our discussion ….” Soon enough my dear.

      I think you two should get a room. When is the wedding?? :mrgreen:

      @DaddayGT
      I wonder what *she* brings to the table…

      That’s my initial reaction as well, it would be good to see what’s in the rest of her profile. But enough about the profile text, let’s see some pictures! 😆

      Re: The Facebook Generation

      The sugar world is mostly about discreet relationships, which runs counter to the “share everything with everyone” purpose of social media. That’s something most of the Facebook generation has yet to learn.

  104. Midwest SB says:

    Escaped from my captors long enough to catch up…

    DG-perhaps you can post excerpts from dream girls profile. Or ask her to join yrs! I’m not sure it would be right to post her profile number.

    Stormy- I, too, think Ihave an extensive vocabulary hut couldn’t enjoy someone who talks like that. It would be like an episode of Frasier.

    Back to captivity…

  105. EnglishRose says:

    @Toni
    The girl is free to write (and expect) whatever she wants! I’m just saying, personally, that I think asking a man to be all those things is unrealistic. It also makes her sound a little overbearing, which she may not be, but you have to be overly cautious when writing online profiles, people judge a lot quicker. She could be frightening away a lot of very decent SD’s (Stormy as a prime example!)
    Nobody is perfect, and I think it’s unfair to ask too much from one person. I think, when you are searching for that “right” person it’s less about whether you like their good points, and more about whether you can put up with their bad ones.

    My 2 cents! :)

  106. Stormcat says:

    Toni ~ Nothing wrong! I was just blown away. I wouldn’t even attempt to try for a woman who can write like that. I don’t have that much confidence!

  107. Stormcat says:

    I swear I didn’t write it. I copied it out of her profile and pasted it here. The thing is her description of herself was not at all precosious. Then I read on down and you know the rest. I mean I think I have a pretty rightous vocabulary but I stumbled over adaptable vs capricious then crashed right into jocose. Amazing she could write all that without being verbose. I suppose though, I ought to feel complimented as per Jessie. (The profile poped up in the who viewed me search) But then she was probably looking for DGT and was hoping I would email her his profile number. On the other hand DGuy’s spy program has probably already detected her presence and enticed her into his haram. Oh well so much for jocularity!

  108. Toni says:

    ‘standards.

    “Without being verbose, I want to meet a gentleman who is responsible, emotionally mature and mentally stable. Someone who; while being an intellectually stimulating, eloquent and diverse conversationalist; is equally capable of remaining communicative in situations in which differences may present. If you are genuinely altruistic, confident but not chauvinistic, possess humility, adaptable but not too capricious, serious but equally jocose and are cognizant of the fact that chivalry is still alive and act accordingly; message me and let us discuss what would be “Mutually beneficial” for us.”

    Maybe Im crazy but what is wrong with her profile?

    people complain about the ones who throw out crazy numbers and designer wishlist, so Im confused on what is wrong with the one mentioned? :/

  109. babydoll says:

    lol seems like this blog is going to be killed soon …
    its just been posted and reading all blogs,seems like a playground for disaster ..
    already been told off by the SA admin?? c’mon ladies @gents cool down xxx

  110. EnglishRose says:

    @DorkyGuy
    Haha, the VA Gent joke is…haha, bad. You should be ashamed. 😉

    And please please post the profile number! I would love to see it!

  111. DorkyGuy says:

    I’ve noticed that we are abbreviating each other’s names… SD Guru has become SDG, NC Gent has become NCG… ummm… what do we call VA Gent? lol, just glad he didn’t call himself “VA Gent is Needing Arrangement”

    @StormCat ~ I found a SB profile from one of the UK babies that has one of the best profile text’s I’ve ever seen. It’s one that I think most guys will be smitten over, and a lot of SBs could learn from. Definitely describes my dream girl. Would the Blog Gods (blessed be their name) be angry if I posted the profile number, not to criticize but to praise?

  112. DaddyGT says:

    @Stormcat
    Haha. I might fit the bill. Just not sure I can keep up with the multi syllable lexicon she has.

    I wonder what *she* brings to the table. I fully expect to see something like “I am hot, I have big boobs, and I am a princess. I deserve to be treated like a princess. $10k+ allowance, shopping trips, regular expensive gifts a must, and holidays in Monaco. I only fly first class.”

    GT: “No, no. I meant what do you *bring* to the table.”
    Her: “Did I mention my pet pooch Vuitton. He goes everywhere with me, and he needs pampering too.” (incidentally I once met up with a pot SB once who brought her pet pooch, called “Louis, as in Louis Vuiton” to our first meet. Hahaha)
    GT: “I think you don’t get me, what are you offering the lucky daddy who end up with you.”
    Her: “I am hot dammit. I am a princess. I have boobs! No cheap and poor guys for me!”

    On a related note, I have seen some really interesting things in SB profiles. Stuff that left me thinking “WTF!?!? Good luck with that attitude.”. Maybe it works for some SDs. Not this one though.

  113. Mile High Flyer says:

    I thought the discussion of marital fidelity earlier was interesting. I for one got married when I was 20. Now 53. Even the statute of limitations on most crimes is 7 years! In a perfect world everyone comes clean no one gets hurt. What I’ve learned is certainly I’m not perfect and this is not a perfect world. Also I’m responsible for my own actions. The other piece is, I am less judgmental of other people and their lifestyle choices than I was when I was 20. Not trying to make any excuses just how can someone judge another person when they aren’t living there? To me that’s the real world!

  114. NewYorkGirl says:

    To VA gent. “I want to continue our discussion ….”
    Soon enough my dear.
    :)

  115. Emily says:

    Has anyone had luck finding a man on the Seeking a Millionaire site? There was the cutest from from Wien, Austria wearing a NASA suit being featured on that site. I take it it’s Seeking Arrangement’s sister site. He was absolutely adorable!

  116. EnglishRose says:

    @Stormy
    Firstly, hahhahahahahha. You have really brightened up my evening with your conspiracy theory, was actually laughing out loud!
    Secondly…no woman actually wrote that in earnest?? Seriously? I mean….seriously? Well she’s going to be mighty disappointed.

    @DutchGirl
    I like your avatar :) I remember when I was visiting Amsterdam how many bicycles there were , and how crazy the riders are! Not used to bike paths being on the pavement (or existing at all 😛 ) in England so I don’t know how many times I came close to death by collision when I was there!

    RE: Politics
    BLEH!

    Not eloquent I know, but this is the stance I am now taking on this subject.

  117. Jessie says:

    @Stormcat – Are you sure your ex is not back online? ‘Cuz doesn’t that sound just like you, or at least something you’d dictate? 😉

  118. Stormcat says:

    I came across this particularly compelling description of what one SB is seeking and was wondering if any SD can live up to these standards.

    “Without being verbose, I want to meet a gentleman who is responsible, emotionally mature and mentally stable. Someone who; while being an intellectually stimulating, eloquent and diverse conversationalist; is equally capable of remaining communicative in situations in which differences may present. If you are genuinely altruistic, confident but not chauvinistic, possess humility, adaptable but not too capricious, serious but equally jocose and are cognizant of the fact that chivalry is still alive and act accordingly; message me and let us discuss what would be “Mutually beneficial” for us.”

    And ~ Now that I have successfully killed the blog . . . I shall go to dinner! 8)
    Ciao

  119. Stormcat says:

    Oh wow I’m really on a roll that’s cousin Toni!

  120. Stormcat says:

    DutchGirl ~ It is a cool Avatar! Really cool! 8) I was just being silly :roll:

  121. Stormcat says:

    Corrected post being reposted
    DutchGirl ~ Thank You but I’m not sure my imagination is that good. I still can’t figure out what the top half of your avatar looks like. Maybe you should have someone other than Cousin Tony from NY take the picture. She’s notorious for cutting off peoples heads.

  122. Dutch Girl says:

    Stormcat I am originally from the Netherlands where EVERYBODY cycles so I thought it was a cool Avatar. Since I am Dutch, blonde and blue eyes of course!

  123. Stormcat says:

    Aww . . . the calm pitter pat of mindless chatter!

  124. Stormcat says:

    Midwest ~ Just as I thought, You’re in on it! It’s the only explanation. Oh my what to do . . . Now I don’t know who to trust! I just wish I could remember who I am.

  125. Stormcat says:

    DutchGirl ~ Thank You but I’m not sure my imagination is that good. I still can’t figure out what the top half of your avatar looks like. Maybe you should have someone other than Uncle Larson take the picture. He’s notorious for cutting off peoples heads.

  126. Midwest SB says:

    Stormy – What if I don’t want you to find out 😉 I could be held hostage in a day spa forced to endure hot stone massages and be pampered from head to toe! This is sugar, ya know!

  127. Va Gentleman says:

    @Stormcat

    My head is spinning ! I feel like I just read a John Le Carre’ Spy novel –confused lol .

    @ NYGIrl

    I want to continue our discussion about whether you are sullied or not . And by the way , do you like Harry Winston ?

  128. Stormcat says:

    Midwest ~ Is that you? How did you get through? If so, sorry to have been cut off on the conspiracy theory. It’s just that I’m not sure yet who is holding you two hostage. I’ve narrowed it down to a band of Indonesian Lagomorphs, an army of Arabian Pirates, and three wannabee network administrators dressed in drag.

  129. Dutch Girl says:

    Stormcat I think you should write a book, you seem to have a lively imagination!

    • SD Guru says:

      We had our first sullied blog of the year and I can’t believe I missed all the fireworks!! Not to mention the consipiracy theory about feisty drag queens!! Note to self… better ask DG to come up with a cranky blog alert so I don’t miss out on all the fun again… :mrgreen:

  130. Dutch Girl says:

    DaddyGT Sorry to make you blush! Are you acting all shy now?

  131. Midwest SB says:

    You guys are on a roll! Love the conspiracy theory!!!

    Stormy – You have me looking up capitalization rules just for the heck of it…geek alert. Problem is, I can’t find a solid answer. The lack of a person’s name seems to be the issue. Is it SA blog administrator (or blog god) without the name and SA Blog Administrator Stormcat with the name? I know it’s not sugar-related, but inquiring minds want to know.

    DG – Does this mean we should change your moniker to NAG (Network Administrator God)? :-)

  132. DorkyGuy says:

    In my business, the only rank higher than God is Network Administrator, so I guess the SA Blog Gods got promoted?

  133. NewYorkGirl says:

    VA gent :)
    “u r two unsullied”
    VA gent, there is one way for you and for me to figure it out.
    (have a funny story about this, but have to run to soccer practice, ttyl).

  134. Stormcat says:

    I wonder why The Blog Gods changed their moniker to SA Blog Administrators? No matter they’re still capitalized

  135. Stormcat says:

    Va Gent ~ No problem, all is good. The blog was getting a little mundane for a while there. I was even thinking about posting a conspiracy theory about how you got jealous of me because I was flirting with NewYorkGirl and hired DG to plant a spy subroutine on my SA profile (under the guise of site improvement) that directed all my messages from SBs to you. But the British SBs found out and warned me by encrypting blog posts addressed to Midwest and SD Guru. But little did they know that both Midwest and SD Guru were being held hostage in Zimbabwe by a band of . . . .
    But your little firestorm took care of all that!

  136. Va Gentleman says:

    RE: Cranky Post Syndrome

    Perhaps politics has introduced a negative cast to the discussion . You know what they say about discussing politics and religion in any social setting .

    I apologize for my part in the negativity . Thanks to my new blog friends who have been supportive . And thanks to the dissenters as well . It takes all kinds of ideas to stimulate interesting discussions . And sex and love are interesting enough in their own right .

    On a brighter note , my Darling SB and I have been together 9 months and going strong –perhaps against all odds . We are a Success Story for sure ! She is the light of my life and I look forward to each day we get to spend together . Thank you SA ! I hope I will not ever have to go back to the drawing board for a new SB but if I do my profile will be up next door (on SA )

  137. DaddyGT says:

    @Midwest SB
    I haven’t done drag yet, but I do love fancy dress. I don’t need to be asked twice :-)

    Actually, there was stag weekend I missed because of work. The entire weekend was spent by everyone, in drag. Haha. From what I gather, the trick to pulling of drag, and keeping your manhood, is to have a 2 day old beard or stubble. That way, the drag is just part of the fun, and not indicative of playing for the other team. :-)

  138. Toni says:

    DaddyGT. I now see what you mean and for the most part I agree. Didnt mean on calling anyone a prick, just the comments :p. But yea I get your point

    Your opinion of sully might be different from VA dude however so dont talk for him just yet. 😉

  139. Toni says:

    LOL. I reckon people say the same whenever Im in DC 😉

  140. Stormcat says:

    Toni ~ Hey back, Feisty One! 8)
    Light-hearted story: My friend moved to DC and after being there a while people would say about him “Don’t be offended, he’s from NY!”

  141. Midwest SB says:

    Daddy GT – Sugarcane is their #3 commodity :-) I grew up there, so going back to make more stories. Did I ever tell about the time I convinced a guy and his friends to dress in drag in order to come to our “girls night in”? There are more where that came from! You guys will do anything to win over a lady!

  142. Emily says:

    Isn’t it just a law of nature that in patriarchal societies the most successful males will have access to more females? Again, I don’t know why we make such a big deal out of this issue of politicians taking extra romantic partners. I mean really! The impeachment of Bill Clinton!

  143. Stormcat says:

    Back on the topic (I think) Does anyone else here find it rather disengenuous for SA to endourse a candidate simply because in front of God, the world, and Network News, he, in dramatic fashion, pulls out his wallet and gives the woman all the money in it. Where is the sincerity in that? I might be a little more impressed if it were done in private. But then there is no PR value in that! 8)

  144. DaddyGT says:

    @Toni
    For a suppose SD you act like a prick.
    I don’t think so. I think a lot of nuances (such as tongue in cheek) are lost when communicating on the net. I have met a lot of pricks in my life, but from the little that I know about VA Gent (from here & only over a couple of weeks), he certainly does not fall into the ‘prick’ category. And really, calling every SD you disagree with, a ‘prick’, is not very helpful to the discussions here.

    Let’s examine his original statement … “the perfect body unsullied by childbirth ,weight gain and loss , wear and tear ,etc. “
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the statement above. He is clearly stating his preferance. And last time I checked, “wear and tear” had nothing to do with the number of sexual partners a man or woman has had. Some people just age badly, more often out of lifestyle choice than from the genetic lottery. And the truth is, a lot of women ‘just let themselves go’ after childbirth. That said, a lot of men do the exact same when they settle into a relationship … I have a cousin who put on 30 pounds in the first year of his marriage …. *shudders*. Absolutely nothing wrong with having a preference.

    On a related note, more recently, society has made the term MILF fairly socially acceptable. It is now OK for older women to continue being overtly sexual, and carry bodies that a 25 year old would be jealous of. My SBs of choice are younger than circa 25, and older than 40 or so. In both cases, I am unashamedly shallow. Must be attractive (and dare I say it), unsullied. I like petite women. That is not being a prick. That’s just personal preferences.

    And in both categories, you find a lot of women who are sullied physically, or emotionally. Walk around any university campus. The number of young people who should be at their physical prime, but are like 50 pounds overweight is shocking. And this is not just in the US! Also, I had a date a few years ago, with a pot SB, who could not stop going on about how bad men were, how bad her ex-husband had treated her, how she was using her kids as pawns in the battle with him, and on and on and on. Why she thought this could be attractive is beyond me. She was a great looker though. Physically wow, but emotionally/mentally? Totally sullied.

    @DorkyGuy
    she deserves the gratification of seeing him shamed in public.
    I might agree with this. That said, if you are at a stage where you are shaming each other in public as part of your rehabilitation, the battle is already lost. Hahaha

    @MidWest
    Have fun in FL. Keep us posted. I’m sure they’ll be loads of stories. In my mind (and from what I’ve seen everytime I’ve been there), FL is the sugar capital of the US.

    @Dutch Girl in London
    *blushes*. Thank you. Glad I struck the right cord with someone. Too often, I find myself thinking that my views on relationships are too far out to be normal. Then I end up with a woman that *gets* me, and all is alright in the universe again. :-)

  145. NYBabe says:

    Toni, Im a New Yawker too LOL! Feisty is our middle name! Dont let these guys get to you babe. save it for those who can handle it

    back to sugary fun.

    You should all see Carnage. Great movie. Christoph Waltz is so talented!

  146. NC Gent says:

    awwww you are too sweet ladies :) I know the band Midwest, but I was never much of a “Dead Head” I appreciate you thinking of me though — we still need to hit a concert together some time :)

  147. Midwest SB says:

    Jessie – You’re right…he’s quite the catch!

    NC Gent – Do you like the band “Further”? My bff has tickets for a NYC show, but may not be going.

  148. NC Gent says:

    Thanks Jessie — I told her I have some other dates, and she was ok with it. She has another date on Friday. It is a good feeling going into the other dates knowing I might have someone I like. But who knows, she may end up liking the guy she meets on Friday better than me. Things are looking up and hopefully I will be out of the looking-mode soon :)

  149. NYBabe says:

    MidWest arent you a girl? or are you a lesbian? speaking of which, I dont know many lesbian SBs..is that weird?

  150. DorkyGuy says:

    @NC Gent – LOL! That’s something I could do… kinda. The setting just wouldn’t save from session to session, because I don’t have anywhere to store the ignore list between sessions.

    @Stormy – Hey :) I do agree with you that there’s a big difference in the guy that tries to remain faithful, but struggles, and the guy who just doesn’t care. You’re absolutely right about that.

    @PhoneGuy – Welcome! Usually it’s a lot more fun. Stick around, and enjoy the show!

    “So where is the more lighthearted banter I have seen so much. Seems this post is a little cranky. =)” ~ SugarKitty

    I agree!… and I apologize for my role in making it so. Nothing but fun from me for the rest of the week!

  151. Jessie says:

    NC Gent – I wanted to talk to you, but thought you wouldn’t see it, what with the blog “being on it’s period” and all. Anyhooo…Your date sounds perfect. She should make a great SB. Hopefully all the others (with her) will work out just as well. Then again, your other three could prove to be great too, but I doubt you’ll find many who will forego the agreed amount. Maybe your biggest dilemma this time will be who to choose :). Best of luck…though I doubt you’ll need it.

  152. Toni says:

    ‘Are you just being feisty when you ask others to mince their words, but choose not to do the same?’

    I dont remember saying anyone should mince their words, i told him he was being naive/his comment made him seem very ignorant of the world of now.

    anything else cos Im done as Ive made my point clear to those I was actually referring to which didnt include you.

  153. Midwest SB says:

    ContentSB – I have a seat ready for you! It’s better than “Housewives”!

    It looks like the admins won’t let it go on much further. I’ve seen this happen before.

  154. SA Blog Administrators says:

    All personalities and perspectives are welcome in the blog, while personal attacks and name calling are not. It’s inevitable that there will be disagreements but let’s handle it as mature adults with class to keep the dialog constructive and respectful. Please refer to the “Blog Etiquette” for more details. For the newbies, please take a look at the “Sugar Daddy Dating Tips” section on the right for a list of commonly discussed topics and the “SD and SB Blog List” section to see the perspective of other sugars. Now comment away and let’s enjoy the blog!!

  155. ContentSB says:

    What the….????

    Midwest — If there’s a seat next to you with the wine, I’m claiming it!!

    I think today I’m just going to sit back and watch the craziness unfold 😀

  156. NC Gent says:

    DorkyGuy — it would be really great if you could add an ignore option in FF. For example, I could have a list of posters whose posts I didn’t want to show up when I checked into the blog. Right about now, I would pay good money for that :)

  157. Toni says:

    Hey Stormcat 😀

  158. Midwest SB says:

    Welcome PhoneGuy. It is a bit of an ironic conversation :-) Actually, I think it’s leaning more towards maintaining your personal integrity and making good choices. The finite details about the vows in marriage varies so much between cultures, religions and societies that each person’s views about marriage is actually correct. It’s an interesting insight into what drives married SDs to the sugar bowl and how it affects them personally as well as a psychologist’s playground. :-)

    Toni – I love feisty New Yorkers – ask my mistress! Are you just being feisty when you ask others to mince their words, but choose not to do the same?

  159. Toni says:

    VA man. No idea what you’re going on about. I dont speak redneck. Im merely 27. maybe 50 years from now and I reach your age, I’ll get it. :) But I am glad you realized you deserved my comment.

    Back to topic.

  160. Stormcat says:

    This seems to have turned into a discussion on morality centered around fidelity and the keeping of promises/vows. I have always considered that all people intend to be true to their promises when they make them. In fact, at the time of making the promise they cannot even concieve not keeping it. It seems easy and a given but that the actuality of such is that for many reasons FLAWLESSLY keeping promises over the long haul is very very difficult. The most difficult promises to keep are those to yourself. The secret of keeping these is not to give up just because you falter. I would still be smoking and boozing, had I abandoned my promises to stop the first, second, or tenth time I faltered. Each time I fell, I got up, brushed myself off and resumed the course. I consider it true to the promise to keep trying. That is to me the “manning up” of it. The perserverence rather than the perfection.

    “It’s better to reach for the stars and drag your feet in the treetops than reach for the treetops and drag your feet in the mud!” (Author not known to me)

    As far as public apologies are concerned, I agree in part with all that everyone has said so far. One other caviat that wasn’t mentioned is that when a public figure is caught in an infidelity that becomes public then the spouse is embarrassed publically. The gossip and inuendo true or false is painful and isolating to that person. A full apology must include an admission of wrongfullness in the public forum, in order to mitigate that public damage and relieve the spouse of any blame. If that makes the man appear less manly then it is only a reflection on the one man making the public apology and not an indication of all men generally.

  161. DorkyGuy says:

    @Midwest, I am admittedly biased and maybe a little irrational on the topic. I never got the apology… the most I got was a flat admission during a custody hearing. A little contrition, a little humility, even contrived and insincere, would have been good for the soul. But, we have to let go, move on, and find healing in someone who can provide that 88 inches of therapy that so effectively heals all wounds 😉

  162. Toni says:

    Now that Ive dealt with those who deserved it

    I cant possibly be the only one to find this topic weird?

    what does Romney giving some woman money to cheer for him worthy of a topic on a sugar site?

    Why would I wanna discuss politics on a board about sugar?

  163. Va Gentleman says:

    @ Toni

    Ouch Toni –little sensitive are we ? I guess I deserved that .

    Way down here in the ignorant south my Daddy once tole me not to get in a pissin ‘ contest with a skunk .. If the shoe fits —?

  164. Classy.Milf says:

    *Most recently, SeekingArrangement.com called out GOP Presidential candidate, Herman Cain, for being a sugar daddy, having had an affair with Ginger White, his sugar baby of the past 13 years.*

    Seriously??!!

    A lot of reading today … I am speechless.

  165. Toni says:

    ‘@Toni, I wouldn’t take offense at VA Gent’s comment about being “unsullied”.’

    Then dont take offense to it?

  166. Midwest SB says:

    DorkyGuy, SD Guru – Having been in one of those divorces/ relationships where everyone takes your “side” , I quickly realized there isn’t a great deal of satisfaction in the somewhat public humiliation that the person you (at least once) loved, adored, shared precious memories, bore children, etc. has to endure. I found it to be a painful process for both of us.

    There is a civil responsibility to represent your public, and for that perhaps it’s necessary. For all others, I question what it truly accomplishes.

  167. Toni says:

    I could have but I chose not to. I owe these men nothing. From their gibberish they could learn a thing or two from women that have no problem telling them the truth. After all they dont pay my bills :). Blunt NYer here and my SD loves me feisty :D. I dont drink so you can pass that wine elsewhere 😉

    DorkyGuy..you know you may be onto something. I never really saw it that way, maybe these wives MAKE them do this public apologies..that could be possible although for the most part I do agree that it might just be a PR stunt. It really depends on the type of position they’re in. Like compared to Spitzer whose public apology made sense as opposed to Tiger Woods. I dont see how an entertainer owes anyone but his wife an apology.

  168. PhoneGuy says:

    This is my first post in the blogs.

    Wow, I thought all the fighting would be over politics, not marriage. 😉

    @Toni, I wouldn’t take offense at VA Gent’s comment about being “unsullied”.
    Regardless of when you start having sex most peoples bodies are in better shape the younger they are. Time and experiences put wear and tear on us both physically and emotionally.

    Forgive me if I sound cranky. I haven’t been “sullied” yet this year. 😉

  169. Midwest SB says:

    Toni – This isn’t my fight, but you could have simply said “I disagree” or “could you clarify…”. Just sayin’ The idea that how you say things does tend to fit into the whole discussion. Is it too early for wine?

  170. DorkyGuy says:

    I am fine with it being a public apology. Whatever else he may owe her, she deserves the gratification of seeing him shamed in public. At that point, it’s not really about his sincerity. It’s about her.

  171. Toni says:

    DaddyGT..you could have said that it was the public apology that was the problem and I and many others would have agreed with you. It’s you going on some obnoxious rant about how these men shouldnt have to apologize for “virility” is the problem. By saying that, you’re implying they owe their wives nothing.

  172. Toni says:

    ‘@NYGirl and Toni

    I apologise if I hit a nerve with anyone –(isn’t that what we American guys are supposed to do if we are inappropriate ) Unsullied bodies certainly exist in people of all ages . I am an equal opportunity lover of beautiful women . I happen to be attracted to fit ladies who take care of themselves . In return I try to take care of myself for the ladies I am lucky enough to see.

    Are you two unsullied ? lol”

    For a suppose SD you act like a prick. The word in general is offensive. Stop trying to make it like Im personally offended. why would I be? I wasnt raised with the American mindset thus I didnt lose mine til I was 24 while you’re carrying youngins who have most likelty been with several men before 21. LOL dude joke’s on you not me.
    A simple “I like my women fit” would have sufficed but by the way you word things and reason, I can see why you’re looking for those who havent heard of Harry Winston aka you’re cheap and ignorant.

    Stick with VA women, true NY dimes like myself wouldnt give you the time of day. :)

  173. Midwest SB says:

    On a lighter note…guess who’s heading to FL for some bff time in a few weeks?!? ME!!!!!!!! I am so looking forward to some girl time!

    DaddyGT – Thank you. “Adult” conversations and honesty go a long way in my book. All that said, why do people take the shortcut and avoid honesty in order to avoid the conversation that follows? That is the major flaw in this whole theory. I had this happen recently over something that to me wasn’t worth avoiding the conversation. What followed was a serious lack of trust and respect that affected the future of our relationship.

  174. Dutch Girl In London says:

    @DaddyGT I must say you have worded that most eloquently and elegantly.

    An apology in public is not a sincere apology, it is a cheap PR stunt. I think the betrayal and portraying to your spouse to be the person who you are not, is far worse than the actual act of sleeping with someone else.

  175. DaddyGT says:

    Looks like I really ruffled some feathers. I will try and explain. I think a lot of people do not actually get where I am coming from. Forgive me if I don’t reply directly … I will try to cover as many bases without repeating myself.

    @DorkyGuy
    When Arnold and Tiger got caught, their apology was appropriate. Their sin was not the fact that they had an affair… but in the deception and false vows that they made to their wives. To lead a person on for years believing something that isn’t true is and always will be socially condemned.

    I was brought up in the very colonial/British ‘not washing your linen in public’ school. I am not saying that they should *not* apologise to their wives. On the contrary. That said, whatever discussion they have with their wives should just be that, with their wives. The public facing, often weeping, press conference apology just serves to engender the puritanical stereotypes, that we really should be questioning.

    @DorkyGuy However, I do respect this community, and wouldn’t have brought it up, except that DaddyGT’s callous and caustic attitude toward the victims just struck me as outrageous.
    I am not being callous. At least that has not been my intention. Victims? Now there’s problems number one. We can debate this ad nauseum, but I wonder how many victims there truly are, and whether the ‘wife’ is always the victim. A man (or woman) who has been in a 5 year sexless marriage is more the victim in my book, than the other party. Make peace with your gilted spouse. Apologise, divorce, stay together for the sake of the kids. Whatever you do, please do not insult me by suggesting that a public apology is anything more than a PR exercise.

    @ContentSB
    Marriage vows are not to be taken lightly, and the *least* someone can do when they’re caught having an affair is apologize.
    See above. Whether there is an apology to be issued to your spouse, (or not), is something only the two of you can work out. My issue here, is with the public nature of the mea culpa. And I actually think a lot more people would stay married if they were more honest about these things going into the marriage, and also just as honest when in the marriage.

    @Ms Bennett … sounds so Jane Austen :-)
    Vows, contracts etc. are written by humans, probably someone you have never known.
    So very true. I totally agree with you. And my big gripe though, is the legal, societal, and moral default that not only
    * assumes that there can only be one true type of marriage or relationship
    * actually condemns people who come out with an alternative marriage that works for them
    * is structured in a way that kills any discussion of alternatives.

    @Toni
    as for saying that Tiger and especially Arnold shouldnt have apologized for publically embarrassing wives..that makes you a prick. just saying.
    Again you are missing the point. Tiger’s relationship with his wife is, well, with his wife. So is Arnold’s. Who really knows what was going on in their bedrooms. My problem is not with them apologising or making nice with their spouses, it is with the very public nature of the apology, and the way the apologies are crafted to reinforce the stereotypes.

    @Midwest SB
    Midwest, I could marry you right now :-). To everyone else, please scroll up and reread Midwest’s post. Then read it again. She sums it up so well.

    On the topic of apologies…I sense that Clinton, Arnold, Tiger and the others did not apologise for their wive’s sake, but for the sake of their public images.
    So very true. And a man who tells the media, and the rest of society to just bugger off, while he works it out with his wife, gets a far higher ranking in my books than these staged press shows. These guys apologies had *nothing* to do with their wives. Everything to do with their careers though.

    Honestly, I do feel that vows should be taken seriously and that when you take them, it is for all the right reasons. If you cannot uphold your vows, for whatever reason, then the agreement should be modified.
    So true. And right now though, most people have been conditioned to such an extent, that renegotiating these vows (which are just one form of contract), is considered totally taboo. So, rather than have two adults have an adult conversation about the state of affairs in their relationship, you end up with either one, or both parties, playing the field, and hiding it from the other person.

    I hope that my IRL partner would be monogamous, but I will also make sure his every desire is being met! Beyond that, if he seeks variety, we will have to talk.
    Amen. But this is hard to do in a society that frowns on talking about alternatives. Let’s not forget that it is not so long ago in western history that having anything other than missionary sex with your wife was considered wrong, and in some circles, a mortal sin.

    Personally, I am not hung up on monogamy. If I get this when I marry, fine. If I don’t, also fine. But then my take is that marriage is far more than just getting exclusive rights to someone’s pleasure zones. But again, that’s just me. YMMV.

    As civilised society with our expectations, a great deal of pain, lack of trust and rejection come with being caught in an affair instead of facing truths.
    My version of manning up, is facing those truths. That’s where my call to ‘man up’ stems from. (And I will get into a lot of trouble for the following statement, but what the heck) If you cannot be honest with your wife before you go out playing, apologising in front of the entire nation after you are caught, is not manning up. It is just PR. And really bad PR at that.

    There should be a sincere apology and it should be done in the privacy of one’s home. It shows respect for someone you love and the opportunity to make necessary changes. Couples have overcome worse.
    Amen. Work it out.

    And more controversially, I wonder just how many of these “wounded women” truly did not know that their husbands were playing some games away from home? As I have grown older, and found out more and more skeletons in my family history, I realise that for the greatest number of married couples, monogamy from “I do”, till “Death do us part”, is the exception, rather than the rule. And the uncles and aunts that seemed the most righteous in trying to guide the morals of the young in the family, had themselves the most skeletons in their closets.

    So, as society, we are faced with two choices. We either keep pretending that things are one way, or we just admit that the puritan model of marriage is not workable, and that people should be free to arrange whatever works for them. Personally, I would rather be honest with my (future) wife about playing the field, than hide around dark corners. And I would expect the same from her. And can society please stop judging. Being indignantly righteous is not very helpful. At all. Someone wrote about “glass houses” above. We all live in glass houses.

    And finally, to bring it all back home. I make no distinction between my IRL dating, and sugar dating. True, I have been out of the bowl for a couple of years, but I treat both kinds of dating the same. One of my main attraction to sugar dating, has always been that because of the very nature of relationship, both parties are *forced* to have an adult discussion about the expectations, right from the beginning! Nobody goes into sugar dating *assuming* anything. The bonus is that you get to talk about these things without being automatically judged, and labelled deviant, or worse. And yes, I have had SBs demand monogamy from me. At that point, we go our separate ways, with little or no emotional investment in a relationship. At the same time, some of my deepest relationships have been with SBs. YMMV

    Do I promise monogamy? No. It might happen, it might not.
    Do I promise fidelity? Yes. Most unequivocally yes.

  176. DorkyGuy says:

    LOL! My word of the day is “sullied”. I hope everyone has been properly sullied since the new year! If not, just say something, and I am sure someone will volunteer to sully you.

  177. SugarKitty says:

    “if you don’t want everyone to know something about you, don’t post it on a public site” ~ NC Gent

    There in lies the problem with some people. They still have not mastered that concept. Once the internet gets it you might as well assume the whole world has access to it because it is very likely the truth.

    So where is the more lighthearted banter I have seen so much. Seems this post is a little cranky. =)

  178. Va Gentleman says:

    @NYGirl and Toni

    I apologise if I hit a nerve with anyone –(isn’t that what we American guys are supposed to do if we are inappropriate ) Unsullied bodies certainly exist in people of all ages . I am an equal opportunity lover of beautiful women . I happen to be attracted to fit ladies who take care of themselves . In return I try to take care of myself for the ladies I am lucky enough to see.

    Are you two unsullied ? lol

  179. Toni says:

    ‘As NC Gent said, the sugar world is not the place to cast moral judgements.”

    DorkyGuy can say/believe whatever he wants. It’s a free country. sugar bowl or not

    NYGirl..apparently VAGuy is unaware that girls are losing virginity as young as 12 but if he wants to believe they’re “unsullied” or “no wear/tear”..lol let him have that fantasy.

  180. NC Gent says:

    Ok — last comment on this — we also do extensive google searches on potential new employees. We are often shocked at the public display of information job seekers post on social networking sites. Bottom line — if you don’t want everyone to know something about you, don’t post it on a public site. That should be obvious.

  181. NewYorkGirl says:

    Thank you Emily.
    I just went and made my face book account acceptable “friends only” :)))
    Coz one can see where do I work, where do I live, pictures from inside my apartment, me with my kid, my brother, my nieces and nephews, my parents … It is for friends, not for pots.
    :))

  182. NC Gent says:

    Emily — I agree you don’t need to know everything about someone before dating them. However, if I am forthright with my relationship/marital status, I expect the same in return. Not too much to ask right?

  183. Emily says:

    After reading about how NC Gent screens his prospects, Im glad I don’t have Facebook account, or MySpace or anything. Even though I’m a member of this dating service, I wouldn’t want anyone being able to get all of that information about me with just a few clicks; unless I wanted them to.
    It doesn’t hurt to be cautious when dating, but you don’t need to know everything about someone before dating them.

  184. NC Gent says:

    No hard feelings here DorkyGuy. For the record, I didn’t agree with DaddyGT either.

  185. DorkyGuy says:

    @NCGent/SDGuru, I do have strong opinions on the topic of faithfulness… because in my marriage, I was in the role of being “cheated on” rather than being the “cheater”. Let me tell you, that gives one perspective. However, I do respect this community, and wouldn’t have brought it up, except that DaddyGT’s callous and caustic attitude toward the victims just struck me as outrageous.

    NCGent, you are right that we live in glass houses. Every one of us has at one point made a selfish decision that has really hurt someone. I know I have. But when I have, I have the sensitivity to know that she deserves an apology, and the decency required to offer one. It’s just common decency. I was incensed at DaddyGT’s assertion that these apologies were unwarranted. It flies in the face of everything I believe about how one person should treat another.

    I understand the desire of those who wish to live life without moral boundaries, but let’s at least have some sympathy for those who are hurt along the way.

    Without casting moral judgements on the offender, can we all agree that the person who gets burned by unfaithfulness deserves at bare minimum some dignity, some respect, some sympathy, and an apology? Having read both of your posts for some time, I know you are both very introspective and self-aware and probably agree with that statement. That’s the point I’m trying to get across to DaddyGT. There is a world full of real people with real feelings beyond the tip of his penis.

    “when a married public figure is caught having affairs in this country, the generally accepted right thing to do is to give a public apology mainly for the sake of his spouse and family. That’s the American version of manning up.” ~SD Guru

    Amen and hallelujah! Now who’s preaching, Reverend Guru? 😉

  186. NewYorkGirl says:

    “Unsullied body” was the term. Ok.

  187. NC Gent says:

    Jessie — saw your comment on the other blog. Yes, the amount of “poofing” on WYP is far greater than SA. I had my first WYP date yesterday. We met for lunch, and I would say it was a very positive experience. The agreed date price was $150 but she only accepted $50 because she had assumed we would have a full evening out, not just lunch. She wants to have a few more lunch dates (no date cost) before things go any further. I was supposed to have a lunch date today with a woman I met on SA about 8 weeks ago, but she poofed without a word (the same one that it took me forever to get her cell number — guess lesson learned). Two dates down, three more to go.

  188. Va Gentleman says:

    @Toni

    ” a lot of the “SDs” on SA have a Daddy/Daughter fetish..actually looking for women to act like their daughters which leads to rape/incest fantasies. ”

    OOH ! UGH ! Yuk ! There are all kinds of weirdos in the world and I am sure there are freaks out there who fit this mold , but —-
    As for me in liking younger SBs —I just like the naivete , the wonder of new things , the fresh optimistic outlook , intellectual brightness, and last but not least , the perfect body unsullied by childbirth ,weight gain and loss , wear and tear ,etc.

    For example . I love taking my SB jewelry shopping because everything is new for her and still a treat . She does not have much yet and I can start from scratch with her . I know I am in trouble when a lady tells me she wants a Harry Winston yellow diamond tiara . Unfortunately these ladies are out of my league .

  189. Midwest SB says:

    It looks as if I should stay up a little later :-)

    On the topic of apologies…I sense that Clinton, Arnold, Tiger and the others did not apologize for their wive”s sake, but for the sake of their public images. Many Americans do not live by the same standards as other countries and for some reason mistakenly expect that public figures, physicians and and politicians are infallible.

    Honestly, I do feel that vows should be taken seriously and that when you take them, it is for all the right reasons. If you cannot uphold your vows, for whatever reason, then the agreement should be modified. I’ve seen SDs manage this successfully. I hope that my IRL partner would be monogamous, but I will also make sure his every desire is being met! Beyond that, if he seeks variety, we will have to talk. These days, a lack of monogamy has so many other consequences.

    That said, as a student of the natural and psychological sciences, I think we set ourselves up to fail with monogamy. Very few species are naturally monogamous…all a part of natural selection and survival of the species. We, as humans, are a civilized and intelligent species, but we still have carnal needs. If they are not met, we will follow our instincts and have them met elsewhere.

    As civilized society with our expectations, a great deal of pain, lack of trust and rejection come with being caught in an affair instead of facing truths. There should be a sincere apology and it should be done in the privacy of one’s home. It shows respect for someone you love and the opportunity to make necessary changes. Couples have overcome worse.

    Pretty heavy talk for the morning. Shame the Packers lost. Still haven’t heard from George! Sigh.

    • SD Guru says:

      @Dorkyguy
      Vows mean something. You made a promise to a woman you professed to love before God and family. You chose to make the promise.

      I didn’t know Reverend DG is preaching today! 😉 If you take the vows literally then no one would be divorced. I’m not sure why judgement is still being cast on married SD’s, it is what it is and it’s not for everyone. If it works for you being a divorced parent then more power to you, but others may choose to take a different path. As NC Gent said, the sugar world is not the place to cast moral judgements.

      @DaddyGT
      Every time I see a mea culpa press conference, like Arnie and Tiger, I want to throw up. Those guys really need to man up.

      I agree there is no need to apologize for having beautiful women around you or for one’s virility. However, when a married public figure is caught having affairs in this country, the generally accepted right thing to do is to give a public apology mainly for the sake of his spouse and family. That’s the American version of manning up.

      @Toni
      a lot of the “SDs” on SA have a Daddy/Daughter fetish…

      I’m sure one can find all sorts of fetishes on SA. The flip side of SD’s looking for daughter fantasies is that there are SB’s looking for daddy fantasies too. Personally that’s not something I’m into, but to each his/her own.

  190. NC Gent says:

    Yes – it is definitely a risk, and I had one woman threaten to tell my wife, but I knew it was a bluff. I don’t give it out my personal information freely. Like anything in sugar dating, trust is earned. I have been sugar dating 5 years, and I haven’t been burned yet, but then again, I have had three long term sugar relationships, so I haven’t been seeing a ton of women.

  191. NewYorkGirl says:

    Thanks NC gent.
    If you give your pot SBs your full name and company web site , yes, u have to be sure she is not nuts. What if something go wrong, she got jealous or just upset with you about something…. She can easily contact your wife or show up at your job place ? Who knows…
    My friend was a busy lawyer (her phone number was easy to find out by googling her last name) and her husband very very rich guy and generous guy. ! So his mistresses would call HER at 4 am…and stuff like that… making her life miserable.

  192. NC Gent says:

    NYGirl — NC is an abbreviation for North Carolina. I am married. I google people quite a bit before I meet. I typically provide my full name, cell number, and my company website before I meet someone. I know that isn’t for everyone, but I typically take several weeks to get to know someone before I meet them, which also isn’t for everyone. I haven’t been burnt for doing that yet, so I will.

    Everyone is obviously entitled to their opinions. But as one of my favorite bloggers said here a few years ago, “clearly, seeking arrangement isn’t the place to cast moral judgements.” Single or married, the fact that you are sugar dating, most people (right or wrong) would consider you to be living in a glass house.

  193. SugarKitty says:

    Dorky – I had to google those phrases. As expected it was amusing yet highly educational. Who knew? Reminds me of something I heard sometime ago. “what’s the difference between a nice young man and a good catholic boy? … The catholic boy seems to have at least twice as many hands.” =p

  194. SugarKitty says:

    Dorky – I had to google those phrases. As expected it was amusing yet highly educational. Who knew? Reminds me of something I heard sometime ago. “what’s the difference between a nice young man and a good cath

  195. DorkyGuy says:

    “I really should get back to my good girl Lutheran roots :)” ~ ContentSB

    If you do a google image search on “Lutheran schoolgirl uniform”, you get *entirely* different results than if you google “Catholic schoolgirl uniform”. This is important information for any blog readers who may be deciding on a religion…

  196. babydoll says:

    morning all!!!

    well i am not american so no point for the other question x haha

    hmm
    what good comes out from an Sd wehter from SA or nor …

    they become more generous! lol
    intouch of their ‘feminine’ side,after all us Sb’s loves pampering and i find
    they are more aware of what is needed to pamper us xxx

  197. Toni says:

    DaddyGT dont get married and they wouldnt be a need for you to ever apologize

    as for saying that Tiger and especially Arnold shouldnt have apologized for publically embarrassing wives..that makes you a prick. just saying.

    Oddly enough Ive had married SDs but that rant is just obnoxious.

  198. Toni says:

    I dont think you’re on a high horse dorky. Nothing is wrong or abrasive about your comment. Just dont be surprised that you hit many defensive nerves lol

    Lydia, who forced them to make those vows? and if you wanna edit a vow shouldnt the two people who made them be aware of the editting or is it one sided?

  199. Lydia Bennett says:

    DaddyGT..get on that flight!!
    Dorky..i think that horse is too high for you..not a good look..sorry, no offence..but life is for living and is very short..Vows, contracts etc. are written by humans, probably someone you have never known. So they can be adjusted by those very same humans or others (and how wonderous we are) as times and feelings change. Otherwise it becomes suppression or oppression, even judgement of self..(separation) through which many dysfunctional emotions and behaviours may arise..

  200. Sugarsugar says:

    @content-u will love my email tnite 😉 looks like were both going to get bad karma ;-((

  201. ContentSB says:

    @DorkyGuy — I don’t think people will find it abrasive….more admirable than anything else. I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately and what my role is as someone who is involved with a married man. While I’m not the one who made the vow I’m still enabling. So, I’ve decided that ultimately karma is a b*tch and I’m sure this will come back to haunt me someday. I really should get back to my good girl Lutheran roots :)

  202. DorkyGuy says:

    @ContentSBlol yeah, my comment may come across as abrasive to some of the married SDs here. However, I stand by it. If she knows there is a mistress, and she agrees to it, then there’s no problem. But if you have spent years deceiving her into thinking she is in a monogamous relationship with a faithful husband, then you have really wronged her.

    I completely understand the guy’s perspective. Living without sex or in an unhappy relationship sucks. I have been there… with kids in the picture. I understand. But you can either leave the relationship, be honest with your spouse and hope she accepts the new terms, or choose to stay with her and be faithful. Vows mean something. You made a promise to a woman you professed to love before God and family. You chose to make the promise.

    I understand that being unfaithful is an accepted norm here, so that’s the last time I will mention my views on the topic :) carry on.

  203. NewYorkGirl says:

    One funny story. About googling people.
    I met a guy IRL in fancy bar (one drink $50) I was on B-party in this club.
    He wanted to go after party with me to a different restaurant, we talk a lot! dance, he gave me his phone number and spelt his first and last name , he made sure I wrote in in my cell… I was like whatever…you give me your last name, ok.
    So I did NOT go to the next restaurant with him, I went home, I am very shy IRL sometimes :) seriously.
    and the guy was very shy too! Nerdy and introverted kind (he lives in Nevada). I got home,
    I googled him … The first thing I see his picture and article how many millions! Profit! He got last year coz he (owner of the company) got a government order for soft wear for the police, emergences like 911 services (I do not understand computers, something like that). Guess what

    it was intimidating ! I could not call him, I could not imagine go on a date with him knowing this
    info. Intimidating! Big time.
    What is why I was so surprise that I feel so easy and happy with this d SD , just happy, easy, silly. May be coz we are from the same web site, we are on the same page, no one has to pretend anything… Play any roles… Everything is pretty explicit here : SD/SB.

    And may be this tall guy from Anderson show was right (once) :) young girls do need an exposure to these older successful guys, so they are not intimidated of their bosses in future, would be easier for girls to make careers, concentrate on the job, or just have some experience with very successful men.

  204. ContentSB says:

    @DorkyGuy — You said that much more concisely and eloquently than me. But that’s exactly what I was trying to say…thanks! :)

  205. NewYorkGirl says:

    To NC gent.
    Can I ask you what is the NC stands for?
    And sorry I forgot … R u married?
    I see you google a lot.
    I used to give my real cell phone to guys. And I am actually very thankful to one guy. He called me and told me “be careful and do not give your phone number, call from google account or buy pre paid phone… Did you google yourself your number?”
    I am very low tech, I do not google people (which is a must I see now) . Because I have 2 federal licenses and 3 state licenses (for my job) my last name and my small bio comes up!
    It is not a big deal IRL but you never know what kind strange and bad people you can run into on line, and some might get upset with me…
    So now I have an extra pre paid phone for my guys/pots to call me. Why every pot I meet for a cup of coffe/lunch has to know my last name? They do not give their last names (sometimes they do) and actually I do not want to know the last names right away… If I do not like him in person what deference his full name makes. ?

  206. DorkyGuy says:

    @DaddyGT When Arnold and Tiger got caught, their apology was appropriate. Their sin was not the fact that they had an affair… but in the deception and false vows that they made to their wives. To lead a person on for years believing something that isn’t true is and always will be socially condemned.

  207. ContentSB says:

    @DaddyGT — Interesting perspective. I appreciate what you’re saying, but I also don’t think the apologies are a bad thing. I don’t want to pick on anyone who is married (I’m involved with a married man…I’m the last person to judge!), but getting caught definitely warrants an apology. Marriage vows are not to be taken lightly, and the *least* someone can do when they’re caught having an affair is apologize.

    Now, with that being said, if people approached relationships like you do, then no apology needed. But when monogamy is expected, and deceit is involved, apologies are absolutely necessary. I think many people would be offended if these men caught having affairs didn’t admit their mistakes and apologize. But again, if there was an understanding and agreement between the couple that extra-marital affairs were allowed, then by all means please don’t apologize.

    To each their own, I suppose :)

  208. DaddyGT says:

    @Brandon
    I have to agree with ContentSB when she writes “don’t continue to play into the negative perception.”

    Can we please have some positive sugar dating stories. There are a few, even in the public eye … you just need to know where to find them :-) . Maybe even ask one of the blogging SBs or SBs here to guest blog a Sugar Success Story.

    And if you must endorse anyone, please not Mitt. He spews out the same “family values” rhetoric that all politicians feel they must. The same rhetoric that makes people feel that they are allowed to negatively judge any sort of relationship, including sugar dating, that does not fit into that puritan model the media likes to sell as the bedrock of society.

    Find a politician (Ron Paul?), who says that adults should be allowed to consensually do whatever they please!

  209. DaddyGT says:

    Hi all. Busy trying to catch up with all the posts here and in the other thread after a week away :-(. A week feels like an eternity here.

    @EnglishRose & the London SBs
    Wish I was back in the UK already. You guys sound like you are having a right jolly time. ER took a peak at your profile. Nice.

    @Emily
    I’ve heard in that in other countries wealthy, influential men are expected to have mistresses. That supposedly goes along with being the alpha male type in a patriarchal society.

    I blame the men more than I blame the media. It is time for men to reclaim our sexuality … easier for a single man like me to say, I know. Seriously though, I pray for the day that one man caught with his hands in the sugar bowl just mans up, and does not apologise for his virility. Every time I see a mea culpa press conference, like Arnie and Tiger, I want to throw up. Those guys really need to man up.

    In Europe (continent, not UK), the men, I think, are less apologetic about this. I can’t for example ever see a Berlusconi or a Mitterand apologising for having a mistress. My British hero in this regard, was James Goldsmith (look him up), who famously said, Whenever I marry my mistress, I create a vacancy! We need more men like that.

    Many years ago, in my lothario, I used to be all apologetic, and sheepish about the women around me. One day, I just stopped apologising for it. I love women. I love having beautiful women around me. If you want to be with me, deal with it. Sounds cruel, but I’d rather have everyone know where they stand. And you can do this without being a dick about it. Hence my stance on polyamory (won’t open that discussion again!)

    Moving on. On a related note, you have society. Both sides of the gender divide. A lot of people here, will say no to polyamory, and yet in the same breadth be married, and go hunting for sugar, or indeed have sugar with a married other.

    People just need to stop apologising for being human, for being sexual, and start claiming back their sexuality. Pretending, once you are caught by the media, that you are sorry for the bad that you did, is a lie, and insulting to the other person in whatever relationship it was.

  210. NC Gent says:

    Absolutely no daddy-daughter fetish here….ewww

    My first SB was contacted by an up and rising politician who later was in the news and it killed his career. She noted how lacks he was with her and she thought he would be eventually outed. To her credit, she wouldnt tell me who it was until he was caught.

  211. Toni says:

    They also mentioned cheap bozos like Coward_Man.

  212. Toni says:

    According to a couple of SBs whose blogs I follow, a lot of the “SDs” on SA have a Daddy/Daughter fetish..actually looking for women to act like their daughters which leads to rape/incest fantasies.

    what says you, SDs or SA

    I must say this is disturbing cos Ive read this about the SDs on SA from more than a few SB blogs. Yuck

  213. EnglishRose says:

    Sitting happily in a warm glow of contentment after reading everyone’s lovely comments 😀
    Thank you!!

    @Stormy
    :) Trying not to touch it again, as you’ve suggested.
    …I certainly wouldn’t say no to visiting upstate NY 😉

    @Dorky
    Aww, heehee, I’m blushing….But seriously, please don’t have a heart attack, a death on the blog would be an unwelcome first.
    But yes, presenting the idea to Brandon would be grand – he would be a fool not to thank you fervently for it all!
    And thanks once again for helping me set up the add-on, it’s working a treat.

    @NYGirl
    Thanks ever so much, that’s sweet of you to say. I know the distortion is annoying, but I can’t really change that as the photo’s won’t fit into the cropping tool. Lets hope Brandon takes on Dorky’s improvements!

    @SD Guru
    Your approval is an honour 😀 Thank you! I did think it was a tad long, tried editing it shorter but it didn’t flow as well, decided that I like a man that reads anyway so it’s kept it’s length 😉

    @Midwest
    Mmmm…George Clooney….

    RE:Blog Topic
    Not too sure what I can say about this (or what place I have to comment anyway) as I am a British Citizen and not greatly aware of the details (got enough on my plate, politically, back home!)
    But I agree with Content that I can’t seem to find the reasoning behind posting this specific topic? Does not seem a particularly positive platform of discussion…

  214. ContentSB says:

    Ok the more I think about this, the more weird I think it is. I majored in PR, and one of the basics is if you’re trying to change a stigma about your brand/company then don’t continue to play into the negative perception. By jogging people’s memories of politicians who acted poorly, that’s exactly what this post does. Maybe Brandon and his team thought this one out much more than I am and have good reasoning behind it, but from a quick glance it just seems really strange.

  215. ContentSB says:

    This article is just strange. If there is so much media chatter about how awful and disgusting sugar relationships are…why is this blog post focusing on some of the negative politician SD/SB relationships (if that’s even what they were…)? Seems it will only perpetuate bad behavior…?

  216. NC Gent says:

    Hi NewYorkGirl — I never was able to get a cell phone number from her, but I was able to get a first and middle name from her email account. I also found out what town she was in through conversation, and her age (which she was honest about… 31). I googled her first and middle name and her town, and a myspace page came up. From that, I got her last name, then I found her husband’s facebook page with prominent pictures of her and his relationship status as married. rest is history and I see her sugar profile is now deleted :/ As another example in the past (again married SB insisting she is single — we actually dated a while) I had a first name, approximate age and an activity that I knew she did competitively. That one took a lot more investigation, looking for published race results and doing some more googling. Just google with as much information as you can glean, and you can almost always find something.

  217. NewYorkGirl says:

    To NC gent. You mentioned you have some screening technique :)
    you have to help us to screen guys before we meet them in person . you wrote ” I dig dipper and found out…” how do u do it?
    You google cell phone numbers? Google last names? Or what do you mean? (but sometimes guys call from blocked numbers…). ?

  218. Emily says:

    I’ve heard in that in other countries wealthy, influential men are expected to have mistresses. That supposedly goes along with being the alpha male type in a patriarchal society. I think we here in the U.S. are pseudo-puritanical. In other words, we pretend we don’t have it in us to do things Western society traditionally calls immoral, even though we are often the worst offenders when it comes to things like infidelity, promiscuity, teen pregnancy, etc. That’s why I like traveling internationally. Americans can be quite hypocritical, and too much to take at times with their feigned conservatism.

  219. Anna Molly says:

    Okay, there is no way to catch up on anything! Anything exciting happen while I was gone?

  220. Midwest SB says:

    Guru – That number does seem high. The idea that it is actually higher puzzles me. Is this to say that there is no intimate contact whatsoever (ask Bill Clinton)? Are women denying there is intimacy to save face? Are married men denying there is intimacy to protect their marriages? Ultimately, what questions are being asked to whom?

  221. Arcadia SB says:

    Oh politics, I suspect that there might (possibly) be a large divide between SBs and SDs on political leanings. Lets just say, I’m in another country so I don’t have to worry about it! I’ll vote absentee, but apparently those are the very last votes they count if it comes down to it being close in your state…and in my home state it’s never close.

    I do think the quality of blog SDs is tip top and i’m sorry I haven’t been able to catch up on the past blog. With the new semester starting I’ve had a lot to et ready for and some meetings…but I should have a lull in the week.

    I do want to thank everyone for their advice re: my scheduling problem. We talked about it and everything worked out. He’s pretty easy going over all, and was just like “oh well we’ll have to try before or after the weekend then.” Sometimes I make things a bigger deal than they are :)

    • SD Guru says:

      Re: The blog topic

      I’ll comment on a couple of things but I’ll definitely leave the political discourse to others…

      First, regarding politicians behaving badly, that’s been the case throughout history and we’re just seeing more of it come to light because of the 24/7 news cycle and relentless pursuit of the media. Although some can be thought of as SD’s, others are just having affairs, mistresses, and seeing escorts. Are Spitzer’s high priced escorts really his SB’s? Should any of the big names taken down by the bust of DC Madam be considered SD’s?

      Second, it was stated that “approximately 30% of sugar daddy relationships do not involve sex.” That figure has gone up quite a bit recently and I wonder why. Is it because SD-ism without involving sex somehow make it seem more acceptable or more noble, therefore it’s better to quote a higher number? “Many sugar daddy members of SeekingArrangement.com have been known to help out one or more sugar babies without ever having met them in person.” While I”m sure such random acts of kindness can happen, it’s also been a gold mine for scammers to exploit. And is it realistic to have a sugar relationship without ever meeting in person??

      While I agree that we need to focus on the positive aspects of SD-ism, let’s not do it only through rose colored glasses.

  222. Midwest SB says:

    I, too, tend to veer away from political discussions. However, I feel Warren Buffet would make an excellent President…no guessing what his first moves would be!

    As for the quality of SDs…Of course the blog SDs are the absolute BEST! However, I do find that about 10% of those who contact me are truly good people here for the right reasons.

  223. Midwest SB says:

    Good morning sugars!

    Sooooo…George (Clooney) has made a special appearance in my dreams for the third time now. He gets close…face to face…flirting…daring me to make the first move…chemistry and anticipation building….then….nothing :/ I may have to do something about this!

  224. DorkyGuy says:

    Minor update to the addon… It now displays a list of recent comments across all blogs below the “check for new comments” button. This gets updated every time you click the button. It’ll make it easier when transitioning between blogs.

  225. NC Gent says:

    Read the other blog… speaking of running into people…. I emailed a pot SB on the other site… we seemed to have good chemistry…. but then she kind of panicked and said she couldn’t talk anymore because she knew me and it just took her a little while to figure out from where…. I thought it was a lame excuse so I inquired a little more…. she then told me that I come into this restaurant (fill in the name) about 1-2 times a month for a business lunch. She was dead-on ooops!
    Not quite sure why that was a deal killer though.

  226. NC Gent says:

    SDG — I will let you know the outcome of the cost-benefit analysis in a few weeks. I never have had problems getting dates IRL or on SA. The main motivation was a different pool of women. Also, there is a dating type for “sugar dating” on WYP. I don’t mind paying several hundred dollars to find a good SB — it is time consuming and frustrating (yet addictive) finding a good match :) will keep you posted!

  227. Pumpkin says:

    I usually steer clear of political discussions and I am simply going to comment on some of the positives which I have seen coming out of Sugar Daddies on SA.

    As for the ones such as Guru et al who post here, they seem to be genuine, forthright and of a high quality.

    Of the SD who I have had from here, he too is of a high quality, very down-to-earth and fun-loving. Being able to connect with the common man without being condescending means a lot to me as well. Oh…and honourable, indeed!

  228. SugarKitty says:

    That was me up there. Silly phone remembers the old name but logs me out of SA every other second…

  229. NewSBFun says:

    Well I just redid my profile now I just have to get somewhere that I can post it. =p
    I think this one has promise and once it’s up and approved I’ll let the blog at it.

    And on the theme of the post. I would love to see how many members of the government have had sugar in their lives. I think some past presidents might be surprising “offenders”

  230. jen says:

    Hmmm…Ive spoken with someone on the site that claimed he worked with the Romney campaign. It was an interesting conversation. However, I don’t hook up with politicians. Having my life put out there by the media is not my thing.

    • SD Guru says:

      Catching up from previous blog…

      @Va Gent & NYGirl
      whispering …. What is the protocol in here? Do we need a Guru approval ?

      LOL… you have my approval to do whatever you want with each other… but obviously I’m not responsible for the consequences!! 😛

      @NC Gent

      Thanks for your review of SD4Me and WYP. What you wrote about SD4Me is consistent with my understanding so I guess not much has changed. As for WYP, it’s intended to serve a different market segment (guys who don’t have time or can’t get dates IRL) with a different business model from SA (per use charge vs membership for unlimited use). What you would have spent on WYP for4 dates could have paid for a six month membership on SA. I wonder what is your cost/benefit analysis comparing SA vs WYP?

      @TexasSB
      I followed the same advice a year ago and was lucky enough to find myself a good or an “OK” SD. It lasted nine months and we finally parted ways…

      Welcome back, your SD must have been more than ok if it lasted nine months!

      @Jen
      what is one to do when they bump into their best friends dad on the site?… At least I would know hes not psycho.

      Acutally that’s not a given. Some people have an online persona that is very different compared to IRL. I guess there is only one way to fine out… 😉

      @EnglishRose

      Bravo on your new profile! Most SB profiles read like something from Match where it’s all about themselves. Yours answered the most important thing a pot SD would want to know: what can you offer to a SD. It was a bit long but easy to read. I’m sure you’ll have much success with it!

      @Grasshopper
      since he wanted to meet and get a room…

      That’s your first red flag right there. That type of situation rarely works out well.

      Oh..and met him on another well known website for married dating. and my profile clearly states “SB/SD Relationship ONLY”

      And that’s your second problem. Regardless of what you put in your profile, sites like that mainly attract men looking for a hook up. Most of them wouldn’t understand what sugar relationship really means.

  231. DorkyGuy says:

    Santorum for me…. or Newt. or even Perry. LOL, I have a feeling this topic has the potential to turn negative. Let’s keep it civil and positive, everyone :)

  232. Stormcat says:

    Now I’ve seen everything.

  233. Brandon Wade says:

    All personalities and perspectives are welcome in the blog, while personal attacks and name calling are not. It’s inevitable that there will be disagreements but let’s handle it as mature adults with class to keep the dialog constructive and respectful. Please refer to the “Blog Etiquette” for more details. For the newbies, please take a look at the “Sugar Daddy Dating Tips” section on the right for a list of commonly discussed topics and the “SD and SB Blog List” section to see the perspective of other sugars. Now comment away and let’s enjoy the blog!!

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